Marvel Universe Thread

[McLegend]

I liked it when I was younger, and it was popular.

It reality it was poorly done, and it doesn't hold up. It really annoys me how I use to run down stairs on Saturday mornings to watch it. Take my word for it.

[Jeritron]

I've seen them recently. In fact I watched a slew of X-Men and Spidey episodes a week or so ago. I know exactly what you're talking about. I can understand why you say they suck and in many ways you're right, but I don't see how you can possibly write them off and not X-Men. Same thing.

[McLegend]

If you're wondering why they were bad it's probably because they were saturday morning cartoons for kids and the storyelling was simplified and in many cases toned down to have less violence.
I don't reccomend holding kids cartoons up to the standard of adult storytelling. You're going to be disappointed. There are few exceptions.
Also, if you think Spider-Man is awful how do you think X-Men is good? The dialogue and content is the same shit, and the animation is worse.

I get that, but DC was able to do it very well. They had a really great team working on these things. Why wasn't marvel able to do the same thing?

X-Men has some good stories. Maybe I am being generous towards X-men, but it is def better then the other shows mentioned. It's marvel's best cartoon of the 90's.

[Jeritron]

The thing I like most about the 90s X-Men and Spider-Man cartoons (aside from nostalgia) is that they stay very close to the comic artwork of that time, and follow a lot of storylines from the comics.
The newer cartoons seem to all have their own stylized looks, and create their own stories. That's all well and good for cartoons. I don't really watch any of them, but I kind of dig the "authenticity" of those 90s toons.
X-Men and Spidey mostly. Even as a huge marvel fan I kind of knew Iron Man, F-4 and Silver Surfer were shitty cartoons.

[Jeritron]

I get that, but DC was able to do it very well. They had a really great team working on these things. Why wasn't marvel able to do the same thing?

X-Men has some good stories. Maybe I am being generous towards X-men, but it is def better then the other shows mentioned. It's marvel's best cartoon of the 90's.

Probably the same reason it took Marvel much longer to start making quality live-action films: They didn't have Warner Bros.
DC is owned by WB, and that has tremendous resources when it comes to television and animation.
The Batman show was definitely awesome. One of the greatest cartoons ever and it's recognized as such. That was the exception I was referring to.

Marvel probably just wanted to get their properties out there on TV. The teams probably weren't as good. I know the company distributing them forced them to tone it down on Spider-Man too. So that didn't help.

[Sixx]

The thing I like most about the 90s X-Men and Spider-Man cartoons (aside from nostalgia) is that they stay very close to the comic artwork of that time, and follow a lot of storylines from the comics.
The newer cartoons seem to all have their own stylized looks, and create their own stories. That's all well and good for cartoons. I don't really watch any of them, but I kind of dig the "authenticity" of those 90s toons.
X-Men and Spidey mostly. Even as a huge marvel fan I kind of knew Iron Man, F-4 and Silver Surfer were shitty cartoons.

Don't even remember the Silver Surfer cartoon but fuck, Iron Man and Fantastic Four were terrible.

[Kalyx triaD]

Let's deconstruct children's cartoons as adults! That makes a lot of sense!

[Jeritron]

If you're wondering why they were bad it's probably because they were saturday morning cartoons for kids and the storyelling was simplified and in many cases toned down to have less violence.
I don't reccomend holding kids cartoons up to the standard of adult storytelling. You're going to be disappointed. There are few exceptions.
Also, if you think Spider-Man is awful how do you think X-Men is good? The dialogue and content is the same shit, and the animation is worse.

You're late Kalyx

[Kalyx triaD]

I read that. I read everything.

[dronepool]

Most of the 90's cartoons were watered down and censored to hell. Comparing them the cartoons of now, they're pretty "mediocre" and dated.

[Jeritron]

I still haven't seen that Avengers cartoon. Looked pretty fun. I checked for it on demand but it wasn't there

[McLegend]

It makes perfect sense to me.

[Kalyx triaD]

The new Avengers? There's a bunch of minisodes on YouTub-

OH SHIT I FORGOT

[Kalyx triaD]

It makes perfect sense to me.

Which is fine by me.

[Kalyx triaD]

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[Jeritron]

I love when Red Skull sports full on fatigues rather than just a grey jumpsuit

[HeartBreakMan2k]

So the Avengers show has started and episodes are on youtube. I've only seen the first two but it's awesome.

[HeartBreakMan2k]

I'm sure you all actually knew that and have been debating it. I couldn't really decide while sifting through all the "debate". But yeah, mini-eps were a good start - but have nothing on the actual show so far.

[Blitz]

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/1174/ew1127covercaptainameri.jpg

[Kalyx triaD]

Looks shopped.

[Rammsteinmad]

Still fucking epic though.

[Blitz]

It's not shopped. It's the latest issue.

[Lock Jaw]

Pictures from inside that magazine: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=29150

[Kalyx triaD]

It's not shopped. It's the latest issue.

I know. It looks shopped in a post production sense. Heavily edited. That's not new to mags but I was just sayin, seems overboard this time.

[McLegend]

I'm pumped for Captin America and The Avengers movie after seeing Iron Man 2.

[McLegend]

I kind of think The Avengers movie probably won't be that good however. Either way I want to see it.

[Rammsteinmad]

Red SKull with the hydra symbol, fucking excellent!

[Nowhere Man]

I'm not too crazy about Red Skull being part of HYDRA, but I guess they wouldn't be able to get away with him being an all-out Nazi on a kid-friendly show, so I guess it works.

Really like what they did with Captain America and Bucky.

(EDIT: wait, sorry, thought you meant in the Avengers cartoon)

[Rammsteinmad]

Nope. Meant the movie shot.

[Kalyx triaD]

RDJ loves the Avengers script.

[Jeritron]

How about Kevin Smith? When Kevin Smith loves shit it usually ends up being good.

[McLegend]

So I was reading something about "Thor" and Kenneth Branagh said that Odin is Master of the Marvel Universe. Or it was something like that... Is that true?

Is Odin really the most powerful person in the Marvel universe?

[Kalyx triaD]

How about Kevin Smith? When Kevin Smith loves shit it usually ends up being good.

Don't think he got to it yet. I trust Tony Stark, though.

So I was reading something about "Thor" and Kenneth Branagh said that Odin is Master of the Marvel Universe. Or it was something like that... Is that true?

Is Odin really the most powerful person in the Marvel universe?

Hell no. Maybe he's referring to the movie-verse? Eh, what does Kenneth know about Marvel.

[McLegend]

This was the comment.

According to Kenneth Branagh, Odin runs the Marvel Universe.

There is more, but the rest is some spoiler or something. You can view it on Thor's triva page on imdb. Last thing on page.

Yeah it probably is just the movie version, but it doesn't really sound like that.

[Kalyx triaD]

Well I guess from a character stand point Odin would be the most powerful character so far in the new movie-verse, he's not wrong. In the 616 sense we know there are crazy powerful characters in the universe, but who knows which of them will get the live action treatment, or even retain their power level after the fact (looking at Phoenix in X3).

[Jeritron]

Any hints on who's going to be the antagonist in Avengers?

It will have to be good, because you're having 4 huge superheroes team up. They need to be going against a threat that warrants that. It should also be a fresh villain for all of them, and not just someone from one of the other films or even a counter-team up. I think it would be good for them to be taking on Hulk in the first act, to get him under control of his transformation and recruit him. But then they need a big advesary for the final 2 acts.
I would like it to be Thanos.

[Kalyx triaD]

Yeah, almost certain Hulk will initially get them together for a test team up. But as far as the big villain... We know Loki will have some hand in this, so there's a cosmic angle. Thanos would be good, but almost too out there (although there's an Infinity Gauntlet easter egg in Thor). Something tells me this will be mostly Earth bound.

[Jeritron]

Eh, these movies are out there enough that they could bring in an "alien" threat though. They could sort of tone down or change Thanos around enough for it to work.
I don't think it would be that out of place. It's not like a Nolan type deal.

My main concern is just something big enough to really deliver on the team-up. Cap, Iron Man, Hulk and Thor charging at something together will be incredible, but it has to be something that can kick all four of their asses.

[Kalyx triaD]

Shi-Arr Empire with Gladiator?

[Jeritron]

How about Mandarin? Do you think they'd use him for Avengers, or save him for an Iron Man movie?

[Kalyx triaD]

I think they'll save him for Iron Man, though he could easily be a handful for the Avengers. Also, hopefully, some big in-fighting would be awesome. For the love of god have Thor take a swing at Tony. He'll want to. Maybe say that epic line when he returned after Civil War ("One of us is a God of Thunder, the other...").

EPIC

[Jeritron]

http://www.i-studios.org/ducksdwelling/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/thanos.png

[Kalyx triaD]

We better get some Hulk Buster armor. That's a fucking requirement.

[Jeritron]

What if Thanos' arrival was set to be some big other-worldly threat (in 2012), and SHIELD knew it was coming, and that's why they were in a hurry to get The Avengers assembled?
They could play the Thanos situation as a global event.

[Kalyx triaD]

Maybe Red Skull knew the deal as well, having that Cosmic Cube and all. There's no hint that he'd return in Avengers, though.

Sure those mystic items will factor in the greater scheme of things.

[Jeritron]

Where does the Infinity Gauntlet end up after it's appearance in Thor, and could it be a macguffin for the film? Like the Ark in Raiders.
Thanos and The Avengers not only fighting, but in a race to find it first. Obviously Thanos would, and the Avengers would have to stop him.
We know SHIELD was looking for Thor's hammer, but why not the Infinity Gauntlet before Thanos arrived and claimed it?
Maybe it could be lost in a place like Egypt or South America after the events of Thor. I don't want to keep coming back to the 2012 thing, but maybe it ended up in the possession of the Mayans after Asgard?
I'm not sure where Asgard is in the historical timeline.

Either way I think any of that would be an interesting angle. I want to see Thanos, and that's the best scenario I can think of.

[dronepool]

How about Kang the Conqueror?

[Jeritron]

Kang would be good too. As long as it's a heavy hitter.

[Kalyx triaD]

Martin fucking Sheen as Uncle Ben in the Spidey reboot.

[Sixx]

And Sally Field as aunt May.

For some reason I think she fits the role, even though I hate her face.

[parkmania]

"You like me! You really like me!"

[McLegend]

So why was Nick Fury changed to look like Samuel L. Jackson? Was it because of all the upcoming movies?

[Lock Jaw]

Which are based on Ultimate Nick Fury, whose appearance was based on Samuel L. Jackson.

[Kalyx triaD]

He's looked like that for nearly a decade in the Ultimate comics line. It was a big deal but in a cool, 'fresh' way.

[McLegend]

Why did they do that though? Do they even use the original look of Nick Fury anymore?

[Kalyx triaD]

Why did they do that though? Do they even use the original look of Nick Fury anymore?

Marvel 616 Fury is the same guy you know. As for Sam Jackson Fury... if I remember correctly the creators simply believed Sam Jackson was badass. No social political message or anything like that.

Does this bother you in any way?

[McLegend]

Also Fignuts, you seem to be the resident Captain America fan. What Captain America story should I read?

I don't really need the origin story

[Jeritron]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e8/UltimateNickFury.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:UltimateNickFury.jpg)

[Lock Jaw]

Also Fignuts, you seem to be the resident Captain America fan. What Captain America story should I read?

I don't really need the origin story

Check out the current series by Ed Brubaker. There is a massive Omnibus available.

[Fignuts]

All this talk of who will be the Avengers antagonist, and you guys haven't even mentioned their ach nemesis in the comics.

http://www.toplessrobot.com/253926-88140-ultron_large.jpg


Ultron FTW

[McLegend]

Marvel 616 Fury is the same guy you know. As for Sam Jackson Fury... if I remember correctly the creators simply believed Sam Jackson was badass. No social political message or anything like that.

Does this bother you in any way?

No not at all. I was just curious as to why the changes. I thought the original Nick Fury was stale and they need to somehow bolster sales or something like that. Also the thought of not having a popular black hero character also sprung to mind.

[Fignuts]

Also Fignuts, you seem to be the resident Captain America fan. What Captain America story should I read?

I don't really need the origin story

Start with Winter Soldier and go from there.

[Kalyx triaD]

No not at all. I was just curious as to why the changes. I thought it was the original Nick Fury was stale and they need to somehow bolster sales or something like that.

In my view, Fury's never around enough to be stale. When he comes around business picks up. I think DC wants to use Amanda Waller in a similar way.

[Fignuts]

No not at all. I was just curious as to why the changes. I thought it was the original Nick Fury was stale and they need to somehow bolster sales or something like that.

No, see they made this alternate universe, and released titles like ultimate x-men, and ultimate spider-man. It is a whole different marvel universe, seperate from the one you know. Idea was to retell the popular characters' origins in a modern day setting.

Anyway, most characters get a redesigned look, and they modeled fury after Samuel L. Jackson.

[McLegend]

No, see they made this alternate universe, and released titles like ultimate x-men, and ultimate spider-man. It is a whole different marvel universe, seperate from the one you know. Idea was to retell the popular characters' origins in a modern day setting.

Anyway, most characters get a redesigned look, and they modeled fury after Samuel L. Jackson.

Alright fascinating. So this new X-men movie is based on this ultimate universe? Same with Spider-man?

[McLegend]

Check out the current series by Ed Brubaker. There is a massive Omnibus available.
That's a new Captain America isn't it? I want some semi older stuff with Steve Rodgers. Is that his name? I think so.
Start with Winter Soldier and go from there.

I shall look these up.

[McLegend]

In my view, Fury's never around enough to be stale. When he comes around business picks up. I think DC wants to use Amanda Waller in a similar way.

aka hot and sexy and not fat?

[Rammsteinmad]

That's a new Captain America isn't it? I want some semi older stuff with Steve Rodgers. Is that his name? I think so.


I shall look these up.

Brubaker started with Cap when Steve Rogers was behind the mask. And definitely the whole Winter Soldier run.

Pretty much everything Brubaker did was Captain America was golden, so definitely check it out! :y:

[Fignuts]

That's a new Captain America isn't it? I want some semi older stuff with Steve Rodgers. Is that his name? I think so.


I shall look these up.

The one I mentioned is the same that Lockjaw is talking about. Rogers is still cap. It's not until later that there is a new cap. Happens around the seventh trade.

[Rammsteinmad]

Alright fascinating. So this new X-men movie is based on this ultimate universe? Same with Spider-man?

Not sure about the X-Men one, but I think the Spider-Man one is. I actually really liked Ultimate Spider-Man, and ones of it's main selling points is the dialogue, which usually takes precendence over the action.

I'm sure I read somewhere that the new Spider-Man film is based in high school or something, that it's more based on the Ultimate comics.

As mentioned above with the Ultimate universe making differences, such as with Nick Fury, other include that Gwen Stacy was killed by Carnage, and Mary Jane finds out about Pete's identity after a couple of weeks, instead of years.

[Kalyx triaD]

aka hot and sexy and not fat?

Well there's that, and she's appearing in Green Lantern. Across the board she's been used more, like her well received stint in Smallville. It's unlikely she'll be used as a unifying card for a movie-verse, as DC/WB aren't looking into that (shame).

[Rammsteinmad]

A DC Movie-Verse :rofl:

[Kalyx triaD]

I imagine they'll get around to it... eventually...

[Fignuts]

http://image2.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/14994929288.1.GIF

Saw this at the store today, and flipped through it. Looked pretty good. Seems like a follow up to Maximum Carnage, as some of the players from that are in this issue. Artwork is all painted and really amazing. Carnage is pretty crappy character, but good writing can make a good read out of any character. And carnage has at least always looked cool, and he looks awesome with this art.

[Rammsteinmad]

Is this the same artist from the Venom/Carnage story where Toxin was born?

Cool cover btw.

[Jeritron]

http://image2.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/14994929288.1.GIF

Saw this at the store today, and flipped through it. Looked pretty good. Seems like a follow up to Maximum Carnage, as some of the players from that are in this issue. Artwork is all painted and really amazing. Carnage is pretty crappy character, but good writing can make a good read out of any character. And carnage has at least always looked cool, and he looks awesome with this art.

I think Carnage is interesting when portrayed as a huge threat. The premise of a straight up serial killer gaining super powers and being thrown into the mix with all of these comic characters was a good concept.

I thought Maximum Carnage was great (though I was much younger when I read it. I'd like to again), but I have heard others say the same as you about his character going nowhere. Apparently it just became really one dimensional and boring?
Anyways, I still always liked his presence and I think he could be written well, like you say.

[The Destroyer]

Carnage is coming back in the above series, but not as we know him/it. For starters...

Kletus Cassidy is dead. Not much of a surprising considering he got ripped in half back in New Avengers #2, but hey, you never know what people consider spoilers. Going to end up on a new (seemingly female) host.

[Jeritron]

I imagine they'll get around to it... eventually...

Well they could easily start one, since Green Lantern and a Superman reboot are due.
The involvement of Batman is the problem. Nolan doesn't want his series in any way connected to the same universe where a Superman and GL exist, and I tend to agree with him.

But Nolan and Bale will be done with the series come 2012, and I'm sure DC will almost immediately start looking at their options for re-casting Batman and either continuing or rebooting the series under a new director.

I wouldn't be suprised to see that Batman tied in with the GL and Superman franchises that will already be into their sequels.
And they'll eventually make a Wonder Woman movie too, for better or worse.

Personally, I think crossing GL and Superman over into eachother's movies would be fun, but I'm not too enthusiastic about seeing them tied up with Batman or the rest of JLA at all.
I'd rather see them do something entirely new with Batman in the wake of Nolan. Adapting and filming some graphic novels, and taking a more live-action comic book approach would be interesting. Something like Arkham Asylum or Dark Knight Returns filmed in the style of Watchmen or Sin City.
They're obviously gonna want to keep making Bat movies, but starting a traditional style movie series that soon after wouldn't be nearly as interesting as something we haven't seen attempted yet.

[Kalyx triaD]

Sorry, this is too hype.

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[Jeritron]

It's hilarious how Robert Downey Jr. just plays Tony Stark as himself. So it's like he's just always in character

[Skippord]

All this talk of who will be the Avengers antagonist, and you guys haven't even mentioned their ach nemesis in the comics.

http://www.toplessrobot.com/253926-88140-ultron_large.jpg


Ultron FTW
that is a really badass picture of Ultron

[Kalyx triaD]

It's hilarious how Robert Downey Jr. just plays Tony Stark as himself. So it's like he's just always in character

Well the Iron Man scripts were treated as guidelines that the actors pretty much winged it on, so it's believable that Robert was pretty much himself in the movies. That's cool and kinda warped.

[Jeritron]

I know. Him acting like himself is perfect for Tony Stark. I just think it's funny to see him being Stark in real life.

[Jeritron]

Ultron would be better for a sequel, if they have any plans of introducing Vision.

[Lock Jaw]

Is there any word on whether the Ant-Man movie is gonna be "in the universe"? I know he's not gonna be in the first Avengers movie, but perhaps the next one?

[Rammsteinmad]

Ah man another year and a half, :(

Looks fucking good though, awesome cast and the Avengers logo at the end looked sweet.

So fucking pumped for this film!

[Sixx]

Marvel 616 Fury is the same guy you know. As for Sam Jackson Fury... if I remember correctly the creators simply believed Sam Jackson was badass. No social political message or anything like that.

Does this bother you in any way?

It sure as fuck bothers me.

Way too drastic of a look change.

[Sixx]

Changing character's race all of a sudden makes absolutely no sense.

[Jeritron]

It's in a seperate "universe" though. It's not like he just woke up one morning black and bald. It's the Ultimate reboots.

[Sixx]

It's in a seperate "universe" though. It's not like he just woke up one morning black and bald. It's the Ultimate reboots.

I'm pretty confused with all the comic book series you got going in the USA.

Ultimate is a completely different universe? I thought it was more like just another fancy name for a new series.

[Sixx]

But hey, black and bald was one Fury's disguises in the Secret Invasion.

[Jeritron]

Yea look at it that way. He had extreme plastic surgery and cosmetic procedures to change his appearance, because people were onto him.

[McLegend]

The only thing I have a problem with having an alternate universe is it's basically a cop out. It's basically you have very few ideas left so mke another universe entriely different. Lets keep the old universe around in case we get a few ideas along the way. This way they crank out more stories and we don't have do worry about affecting anything.

It is kind of fun, and does seem like the majority of Marvel fans enjoy this Ultimate universe. So it's all good.

[Sixx]

Yea look at it that way. He had extreme plastic surgery and cosmetic procedures to change his appearance, because people were onto him.

As stupid as this sounds, this already happenned in Punisher after Jigsaw cut him in prison or something.

[Fignuts]

Ultron would be better for a sequel, if they have any plans of introducing Vision.

Dunno, I thought that at first, but the more I thought about it, the more ways I could see him being the villain in the first movie. With Loki having a part in it, it could even be him that gives Ultron his mind and intelligence, since man hasn't been able to achieve the level of A.I. that Ultron has. It's not like Utron is some mindless robot. He is a self aware organism, with his own personality and everything.

Plus, like I said, he is THE avengers villain. Moreso than Dr. Doom or Kang even.

Kang is way too ridiculous btw. You think him being a purple headed invader was stan lee's idea of a joke?

[Fignuts]

The only thing I have a problem with having an alternate universe is it's basically a cop out. It's basically you have very few ideas left so mke another universe entriely different. Lets keep the old universe around in case we get a few ideas along the way. This way they crank out more stories and we don't have do worry about affecting anything.

It is kind of fun, and does seem like the majority of Marvel fans enjoy this Ultimate universe. So it's all good.

It's more about giving freedom to the writers. In the regular universe, you have all these restrictions based on the history of the character, and where they are going in the future. For the major titles, writers have to talk to quesada, the editor in chief to clear certain stories, and they even have big meetings to discuss these things.

With ultimate, they can do whatever the fuck they want. Makes for some good reading. Plus, I don't get where you are saying they made it because they are out of ideas. It's not like they cancelled the regular universe. It's still going on, and there are new stories and ideas for the characters every month.

[Rammsteinmad]

Also, the Ultimate Universe came out when all the big Marvel movies were starting to get made. Films like Blade, X-Men and Spider-Man brought a lot of attention to Marvel Comics, and the Ultimate line was a great way of starting from the beginning so new fans don't have to worry about 40 years of backstory.

And as mentioned above somewhere, it gave the writers a chance to reimagine all the origins in a mordern setting.

[Rammsteinmad]

Although since then, some projects have become hybrids of the Ultimate and 616 universe. For example in the X-Men Legends games, some characters have their Ultimate costumes whilst others have 616.

[Kalyx triaD]

That's game stuff though, a lot more leeway there.

[Fignuts]

Still stupid, and one of the reasons I disliked those games.

[Sixx]

I demand Ultimate Black Panther to be a white guy.

[Kalyx triaD]

Still stupid, and one of the reasons I disliked those games.

You dislike the X-Men Legends/Ultimate Alliance games? They're the best pure Marvel games of the last 6 years.

[Rammsteinmad]

Haven't played Ultimate Alliance games (yet), but the X-Men Legends games are amazing.

Taking elements of both universes is no excuse to dislike them. :rant:

[Rammsteinmad]

I demand Ultimate Black Panther to be a white guy.

http://www.figurerealm.com/Customs/13000/12794-1.jpg

[Rammsteinmad]

That's game stuff though, a lot more leeway there.

Oh yeah of course, though there have been various elements from each. Nothing major, but for example that Symbiote invasion in Avengers shortly after Civil War. The symbiotes were straight out of the Ultimate universe, not literally, but I mean they were done by the same artist.

Just love picking out small details like that where it's like 'Oh cool, those are the symbiotes from the ultimate comics'.

[Sixx]

http://www.figurerealm.com/Customs/13000/12794-1.jpg

Gee, thanks.

[Kalyx triaD]

KI's Glacius?

[Rammsteinmad]

White Tiger.

As close as Marvel'll get to Black Panther being white.

And even then, I think the man behind the mask was black, can't remember.

[Sixx]

White Tiger.

As close as Marvel'll get to Black Panther being white.

And even then, I think the man behind the mask was black, can't remember.

All of the people who called themselves White Tiger have been minorities with special abilities.

Yeah, I remember one being Hispanic for sure.

Nah, but I want the man behind the mask to be white, period.

[Kalyx triaD]

If there's a strong enough case for a white Black Panther I'm all for it.

But not 'just because', or to 'get back' at an earlier racial swap with a character.

[Sixx]

If there's a strong enough case for a white Black Panther I'm all for it.

But not 'just because', or to 'get back' at an earlier racial swap with a character.

Clearly I was only joking, but what was that strong enough case for a black Nick Fury again?

[Rammsteinmad]

Coz Sam Jackson is cooler than David Hasselhoff.

IMO.

[Sixx]

Coz Sam Jackson is cooler than David Hasselhoff.

IMO.

Yes, cause clearly they based the original Nick Fury on David Hasselhoff.

[Rammsteinmad]

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b335/awesomeblaze/fury1.jpg

[Rammsteinmad]

Although, I didn't mean my comment literally.

[Kalyx triaD]

Clearly I was only joking, but what was that strong enough case for a black Nick Fury again?

Sam motherfucking Jackson. We discussed this.

[Rammsteinmad]

http://images.costumzee.com/users/Lana417-2332-full.gif

Actually, the Hoff looked fucking badass in that film. Shame it sucked though.

[Sixx]

Yeah, I agree. Hasselhoff looked awesome.

And we didn't get to see his saggy tits, too.

Dunno, this new Nick Fury is too ghetto for me.

[Fignuts]

You dislike the X-Men Legends/Ultimate Alliance games? They're the best pure Marvel games of the last 6 years.

I found them extremely boring.

[Kalyx triaD]

Not doing yourself favors, 6x.

[Kalyx triaD]

I found them extremely boring.

Wow. Ya know they're 4plyr, right?

[Sixx]

And why is that? You're gonna accuse me of racism now or something?

[Rammsteinmad]

Wow. Ya know they're 4plyr, right?

I hated playing those game with more than two players. With three or four, you just had too many people running in different directions and cocking up the camera angle and getting in each others way etc.

[Jeritron]

Playing those games is extremely boring because no matter what you do it's impossible to die, and there is also no variety or challenge. Nothing is at stake. At least that's what I experienced while playing Ultimate Alliance 2 at a friend's house.
After 5 minutes it just descends into button mashing while you talk about something else. There was no challenge, and barely anything that required co-operative play or thinking.
Yet, we keep going. If being a superhero is that boring, fuck that.

Just felt like the entire attraction was unlocking characters and such. Sort of like "Marvel porn", in which the entire point of the game is being different characters and watching cut scenes. I guess that Civil War adaptation was cool, but I could youtube it. The gameplay almost becomes secondary and laborious in getting to "the goodies."
Maybe different combos is exciting? I didn't really care since you're going to kill everyone in the room and move onto the next room full of easy enemies regardless of what moves you do.

Really kind of hated it. If I wanted to play such a linear button mashing experience, I would fire up X-Men Arcade from 1992. That's the good stuff.

Also, they may very well be the best Marvel games of the past 6 years, but I hardly think that means they're very good. Unfortunately Marvel games are usually pretty bad, and 6 years is hardly anything. 2004? That seems like yesterday when it comes to Marvel games.

I agreed with Funky that I'd give Part 1 a try though. He promised me that it wasn't nearly as boring.

[Fignuts]

The gameplay doesn't really fit superheroes tbh. Felt really restricting and confined, given what the characters are capable of.

Superhero games should take full advantage of the destructive capabilities of the characters. I never felt like I was playing as a really powerful character in those games. Moon Knight feels the same Thor.

Prototype and Hulk: Ultimate destruction are examples of games that got it right.

[Jeritron]

Even X-Men arcade got it right since a character like Nightcrawler is fast as shit with a weak special, but Colossus is slow, but has the beefiest special of all time.

So you make sure Nightcrawler can lay the smack down in hand to hand, and move Colossus in as the big gun. Conserve all specials for the boss.

That's the way I want to play co-op. I want to have a role. I never encountered any stages in those games were Player 1 had to hold the fort or something, while Player 2 had to do ____, and Player 3 did _____, and stuff like that.

I highly agree with Fignuts in that certain characters should have their different strenghts and weaknesses.
If you're on a team, there should be an equal need for a character like Spidey just as much as one like Hulk. But not the same.

[Kalyx triaD]

You guys are strange. X-Men Legends was the shit.

[Jeritron]

To be fair, the only one I've played recently was Ultimate Alliance 2. So I'm going off that. I played X-Men Legends as well, but that was a while ago. I thought more or less the same thing.
I used to love the Gauntlet Legends game for 64 when I was younger though. So that does make me strange.

As for other Marvel games, I'd like to give Spider-Man Shattered Dimensions a shot soon.

[Kalyx triaD]

Me and the guys used to love clearing stages and upgrading our chosen characters, allocating items according to who needs the buff and so on.

I seriously feel sorry that you guys didn't get the same experience, it was a blast. Ultimate Alliance 2 missed the mark, but UA1 and especially XML2 were awesome. The biggest issue that plagued the series was a camera that was way too cramp. I always wanted it to be pulled out more.

[Fignuts]

To be fair, the only one I've played recently was Ultimate Alliance 2. So I'm going off that. I played X-Men Legends as well, but that was a while ago. I thought more or less the same thing.
I used to love the Gauntlet Legends game for 64 when I was younger though. So that does make me strange.

As for other Marvel games, I'd like to give Spider-Man Shattered Dimensions a shot soon.

Nah, it doesn't make you strange, I loved gauntlet and other games like it. Like I said, I think it was the characters not living up to their potential in the game, that made it boring for me.

[Kalyx triaD]

The characters totally played as they should within the context of the general gameplay. Colossus could toss Wolverine for the Fastball Special. Jean Grey could hold enemies in place while Storm shocks them. Cyclops could knock down enemies with a wide variation of his Optic Blasts and Gambit could then pick up items (like chairs and debris) and throw them at downed enemies - and yes they were kinetically charged automatically.

Didn't even mention the strategic use of Ice Man teamed with Human Torch in UA1 yet. Something me and my buddy called "Icy Hot". Great times. The characters were well represented in the series.

[Reavant]

And why is that? You're gonna accuse me of racism now or something?

pretty much considering im struggling to remember a movie that sam jackson ever played a ghetto character so you saying the new nick fury is too ghetto for you is based only on the fact that hes black

[LuigiD]

I am agreeing with Kalyx triaD on this one. Its a shame some of you guys didn't enjoy the games as much. While I agree that characters are very limited with their powers, I had a blast playing the games. UA 2 being the weakest of them all, still had its moments. I thought it was a step down from UA1.
It is fun matching the characters and coming up with dream teams and see how they do. I was specially a fan of team bonuses in the first one (I don't think they carried over to the second one..)

[Kalyx triaD]

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[Jeritron]

Anime would be a lot better if they stayed on topic and didn't insist on using that shit music and having the characters stand around with their hair in the wind

[Kalyx triaD]

It's an anime OP, and a damn good one.

[Jeritron]

It would actually be pretty awesome aside from that shit I said. I swear to god those 2 things are why I don't like anime.

[BigDaddyCool]

kalyx, you would know good if it fucked your mom and forced you to get a job.

[Kalyx triaD]

Pretty sure you simply didn't find anime you liked. It's pretty varied nowadays.

[Jeritron]

I know a lot of people love anime, so I don't wish to be a negative nelly. I respect the art, and think some it's great.
It looks good. I just can't stand the overboard glorification of some of it. It's hard to describe why it irks me. There's a huge emphasis on making the simple over-dramatic. Characters seem to always be breathing heavily, or standing in the wind, and everything is supposed to be the most epic thing that's ever happened in the universe. Seems like everyone's either extremely happy or extremely angry/depressed. Like Cyclops standing there with his head down, like ugh. I can't put my finger on it. Way melodramatic and self-important. I'm not sure if pretentious is what it is, but it certainly feels that way. Emotions and importance seems more emphasised than even theatre.
Something about it bothers me.

[BigDaddyCool]

It would actually be pretty awesome aside from that shit I said. I swear to god those 2 things are why I don't like anime.

Check out Avatar the Last Airbender if you haven't. The main character is bald, so there is very little hair blowing in the wind. Plus it only looks like anime.

[Jeritron]

http://delusionaltruth.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/hated-it.jpg

[Kalyx triaD]

Hmm... Anime's probably not for you, then. Some of the things you described are within anime DNA and if you don't square with it, I guess it's just not in the stars.

It's like how I feel about certain genres of games or movies. There's things I just don't dig that are integral to those styles of entertainment and me getting into it is unlikely.

It happens.

[BigDaddyCool]

is that to me?

[Jeritron]

I haven't watched Avatar: The Last Airbender

[Kalyx triaD]

I haven't watched Avatar: The Last Airbender

Halfbreed anime-American animation style. And one of the most epic cartoons I seen. It has some of the hyper emotion of anime, but the pacing is closer to Western style. The action takes cues from anime, however. It's really a novel effort. Watch the series. The third season is worth it.

[Jeritron]

Scenario: Sniper on a roof.

Regular fiction: Normal and realistic.
Anime: Standing there on the ledge, in the wind, looking down at the ground pondering their entire existence as a human. Trying to seem stoic. Hair over their eyes, maybe smoking a cigarette.

Maybe it's just not for me. Or maybe it's just every bit of anime I've ever seen just happens to be that way.
Anime has always sorta depressed me too. Dunno why.

[BigDaddyCool]

I haven't watched Avatar: The Last Airbender

I thought I would hate it too, but then it was amazing. If you have netflix instant watch and get bored, give it a chance. If you don't like it, that is fine.

[Kalyx triaD]

Scenario: Sniper on a roof.

Regular fiction: Normal and realistic.
Anime: Standing there on the ledge, in the wind, looking down at the ground pondering their entire existence as a human. Trying to seem stoic. Hair over their eyes, maybe smoking a cigarette.

Maybe it's just not for me. Or maybe it's just every bit of anime I've ever seen just happens to be that way.
Anime has always sorta depressed me too. Dunno why.

You may tolerate Ghost in the Shell more than usual anime.

[BigDaddyCool]

Never mind, Jerkitron, don't watch anime. It is all faggy bitches who are way to skilled at their jobs pondering why even bother, life is meaningless. You know, the way Kalyx thinks of himself.

[Funky Fly]

You may tolerate Ghost in the Shell more than usual anime.

Errrr, I dunno. There is a lot of pondering of the nature of existence in that. Human beings in machine bodies and AIs that gain self awareness and all that.

[Kalyx triaD]

But I wouldn't call it hyper-emo or anything.

[BigDaddyCool]

But it is still emo.

[BigDaddyCool]

Side note, and this isn't directed to anyone, but I really wish people would start to realize emo and deep are completely different and separate.

[Sixx]

pretty much considering im struggling to remember a movie that sam jackson ever played a ghetto character so you saying the new nick fury is too ghetto for you is based only on the fact that hes black

NIGGA WAT?

The guy talks like a gang leader, not special unit colonel.

[BigDaddyCool]

He talked pretty ghetto in Jurassic Park.

[Funky Fly]

But I wouldn't call it hyper-emo or anything.

Not emo at all, but the whole nature of the story is centered around where humanity ends and machine begins in a world where cyborgs are an everyday thing, machines are self aware and people can even have their minds live on in a machine or on the internet despite their body being long dead.

If it's not Jeri's bag, he might not enjoy it at all. I do see why you recommend it to him, since it doesn't do the usual crazy hair/chargin ma lazer/trying to look hardass thing that a lot of well known animes are kind of notorious for. It's actually one of my favourite manga/anime franchises.

[BigDaddyCool]

To be honest, Ghost in the Shell falls under the other anime tropes that are equally annoying.

[Jeritron]

Lol I don't want to make it seem like I don't like anything "ponderous" or emotional, or anything profound. I do. And I'm not above stories that take themselves as important. I don't tend to accuse things of being pretentious unless it strikes me that way.


I was trying to put into words the things I don't dig about anime. It's nothing story-wise. I love things like you mentioned, but I'm talking about how the art of anime tries too hard to evoke something in it's characters I'm just not into, or don't buy. It doesn't really have anything to do with the narrative.
It's just a style thing, and maybe I'll just never get past it. So I hope it doesn't seem like I'm directly opposed to anything "deep." Quite the opposite.

I want to watch Ninja Scroll. I probably won't like it, but I love ninjas and ninja stories, but there aren't really any good ninja movies in live action.

[Jeritron]

Not emo at all, but the whole nature of the story is centered around where humanity ends and machine begins in a world where cyborgs are an everyday thing, machines are self aware and people can even have their minds live on in a machine or on the internet despite their body being long dead.

If it's not Jeri's bag, he might not enjoy it at all. I do see why you recommend it to him, since it doesn't do the usual crazy hair/chargin ma lazer/trying to look hardass thing that a lot of well known animes are kind of notorious for. It's actually one of my favourite manga/anime franchises.

Yea, as I was saying in the other post it's not a content problem with me, it's a presentation thing.
I have no problems with a story like that. I love that stuff, really. I'm a huge science fiction fan and that sounds similar to lots of stories I love, from Harlan Ellison, to Philip K. Dick, and even Terminator or Matrix.

So if Ghost in a Shell is a great science fiction story, that's animated well and doesn't "overdo it" stylistically in the ways I dislike, I could very well love it.
I'll give it the old college try. Why not?

[BigDaddyCool]

Lol I don't want to make it seem like I don't like anything "ponderous" or emotional, or anything profound. I do. And I'm not above stories that take themselves as important. I don't tend to accuse things of being pretentious unless it strikes me that way.


I was trying to put into words the things I don't dig about anime. It's nothing story-wise. I love things like you mentioned, but I'm talking about how the art of anime tries too hard to evoke something in it's characters I'm just not into, or don't buy. It doesn't really have anything to do with the narrative.
It's just a style thing, and maybe I'll just never get past it. So I hope it doesn't seem like I'm directly opposed to anything "deep." Quite the opposite.

I want to watch Ninja Scroll. I probably won't like it, but I love ninjas and ninja stories, but there aren't really any good ninja movies in live action.

Does it have anything to do with someone wearing ridiculous, fashion over function clothing, while wielding a weapon that doesn't even begin to make sense (and was clearly designed by a ADHD kid trying to make a tank-gun-sword) and this character is standing stoically? You can't dress like a an attention whore, master a weapon that is batshit crazy and then pretend like you don't care. You clearly care.

[Fignuts]

Ghost in the Shell is not emo at all. Also, the existentialism in Ghost is actually warranted, and integral to the story, as opposed to most anime, where it is just some cheap way to make a character appear deep. In Ghost, the Major really is deep.

So Jeri may still like it. It's my personal favorite.

[Sixx]

MARVEL MOVIE NEWS

[Jeritron]

I think this tangent is just as warranted as waxing on the pigment of Nick Fury's skin, Sixx.
On days where there is no Marvel news to be had, I think tangents are acceptable.

[Sixx]

Fair enough.

Carry on, then.

[Jeritron]

Samuel L. Jackson should be a part of the DC movies too. At this point, he's just a part of every franchise.
And it's pretty hilarious, because he's just himself now. Nick Fury and Mace Windu are essentially just Samuel L. Jackson in different costumes.
I think he's great though.

[Jeritron]

http://www.gwethil.batcave.co.uk/common/musesimg/mace.jpg

The purple lightsaber is badass and anyone who doesn't think so can suck my peepee.

[Kalyx triaD]

Palpatine, drop your mother fuckin lightsaber or I swear on the mother fuckin Force I will slay your ass.

[Sixx]

Da force be mah bitch.

[Reavant]

NIGGA WAT?

The guy talks like a gang leader, not special unit colonel.

where have you seen sam jackson ever use the n word in a "ghetto" way?

how do they make ultimate fury sound ghetto?

[Reavant]

http://www.gwethil.batcave.co.uk/common/musesimg/mace.jpg

The purple lightsaber is badass and anyone who doesn't think so can suck my peepee.

sixx thinks he should have had the black lightsaber


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[Funky Fly]

Ghost in the Shell is not emo at all. Also, the existentialism in Ghost is actually warranted, and integral to the story, as opposed to most anime, where it is just some cheap way to make a character appear deep. In Ghost, the Major really is deep.

So Jeri may still like it. It's my personal favorite.

Yes. This. Also Jeri, this series is stylistically subdued for an anime. The worst you have to put up with is minimal CGI use for some vehicles and people with like robot eyes or purple hair due to being cyborgs.

Def watch the Ghost in the Shell anime movie, then Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex series, then GitS: SAC 2nd Gig, then GitS 3. Don't bother with the second movie.

[Fignuts]

There's a third movie? when the fuck did that happen?

[Fignuts]

Fuck, still havn't watched the series yet.

[Fignuts]

Have they made a third Vampire Hunter D yet? Bloodlust was awesome.

[Sixx]

Back to skin color.

Why the fuck is a black guy (Idris Elba) playing a Norse god Heimdall?

Seriously, Norse god being black? This is ridiculous.

[Jeritron]

I'm pretty sure the Asgardians in this incarnation of Thor aren't even human, so skin color is a moot point, if it wasn't already.

[Kalyx triaD]

And I imagine that pisses off all 5 of Heimdall's fanbase.

[Jeritron]

I'd be more concerned about Odin looking like a Babylon 5 character, if I was going to be hung up on any appearances.
I'll give the Ultimates approach a fair shake though. I guess I was just expecting a more Lord of the Rings/Gladiator look when they brought Kenneth Branagh on.

[LuigiD]

eh...I am on the fence about the whole racial issue of super heroes.
In one hand, I don't care at all. In the other hand, my inner mega fan boy is angry at the fact that they are not trying to be more accurate with the physical look of the character. I would rather see more films about kick ass black heroes such as Luke Cage(one of my all time favs), The Black Panther, Bishop or Deathlok instead of trying to fill racial quotas.

[Funky Fly]

Yeah, def thought it would have a much more Shakespearean/Middle Earth feel to it. But I guess KB had to tone it down to keep in line with the entire movieverse. Still looks fucking awesome

[Funky Fly]

Idris Elba is a pretty good actor, so I won't sweat it, but it is kinda WTF.

[Sixx]

I'd be more concerned about Odin looking like a Babylon 5 character, if I was going to be hung up on any appearances.
I'll give the Ultimates approach a fair shake though. I guess I was just expecting a more Lord of the Rings/Gladiator look when they brought Kenneth Branagh on.

So are there already pics of Hopkins as Odin?

[Kalyx triaD]

Hey Johnny Blaze!

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/8/2010/11/340x_1.jpg

And where have you been, Sixx?

[Funky Fly]

So are there already pics of Hopkins as Odin?

Trailer's been out for a while.

[Jeritron]

I don't think it's a big deal at all. I don't really view things like that. I can understand how people are purists about their characters though, and don't mean to be "racist" in complaining.

Even if comic companies intentionally incorporate or reappropriate races among characters, I don't really have an issue with that either. It's not like they're trying to call attention to it and distract from the stories. Samuel L. Jackson as Nick Fury isn't trying to "blacken" the character in a way that's unintentionally offensive and stupid. He's just Nick Fury, with a new look. I think that's more than fine.

The truth is, most of the iconic superheroes are white males because they were created in a time when the social climate was much different, and the creators probably felt pressured to make all of their heroes from a mold. As sad as it is, a non-white superhero probably wouldn't have been recieved well back then.
There have been some great characters that have come along over the years now that diversity is accepted and creators have more freedom.

[Funky Fly]

Well Nick L Jackson Fury isn't a big deal because there are tons of crazier changes in other universes in Marvel. Zombieverse, Apeverse, etc. Hell, the Exiles encounter fucked up versions of characters all the time. Male Mystique for example.

[Sixx]

I would rather see more films about kick ass black heroes such as Luke Cage(one of my all time favs), The Black Panther, Bishop or Deathlok instead of trying to fill racial quotas.

Exactly.

[Sixx]

Hey Johnny Blaze!

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/8/2010/11/340x_1.jpg

And where have you been, Sixx?

Dunno. Just watched the Thor trailer ( no idea if there's only one or what ) and you can only see Odin for like a second. Wearing some crazy monocle or something.

[Jeritron]

Luke Cage(one of my all time favs), The Black Panther, Bishop or Deathlok instead of trying to fill racial quotas.

Those particular characters may not be given the vote of confidence to have a full-length motion picture.
They tend to only make comic movies for the major superheroes, but it's evident that they're going to have to tap into the second tier characters soon because there simply aren't any major heroes left to make movies for.

I like the idea of 10 minute short films for characters like Luke Cage, Iron Fist and Dr. Strange.
They'd be attached to major films like Avengers or Iron Man 3, and start to familiarize the mainstream audience with these characters for potential full length features.

[Kalyx triaD]

Thor has nearly a minute of screen time in the trailer. And there's pics of him in this thread, but I don't expect you to dig for them.

Also; pause the trailer. lol

[Funky Fly]

Those particular characters may not be given the vote of confidence to have a full-length motion picture.
They tend to only make comic movies for the major superheroes, but it's evident that they're going to have to tap into the second tier characters soon because there simply aren't any major heroes left to make movies for.

I like the idea of 10 minute short films for characters like Luke Cage, Iron Fist and Dr. Strange.
They'd be attached to major films like Avengers or Iron Man 3, and start to familiarize the mainstream audience with these characters for potential full length features.

That is a good idea, though I'd be more inclined to make tv series for characters like Black Panther and especially Bishop. Bishop has a bunch of solo comics that lend themselves well to tv series adaptations.

[Sixx]

Thor has nearly a minute of screen time in the trailer. And there's pics of him in this thread, but I don't expect you to dig for them.

Also; pause the trailer. lol

Why are you telling me about Thor's screen time?

Can you read? I was talking about Odin.

[Jeritron]

That idea isn't mine, btw. I read something about Marvel/Disney exploring that idea. Actually, they could attach them to non-Marvel Disney films too.

[Kalyx triaD]

Why are you telling me about Thor's screen time?

Can you read? I was talking about Odin.

Whoops, I meant Odin.

Swap the names and the post stands, though.

[Funky Fly]

That idea isn't mine, btw. I read something about Marvel/Disney exploring that idea. Actually, they could attach them to non-Marvel Disney films too.

Kinda like the micro episodes for the new Avengers series. Would love to see a well done live action Bishop series.

[Jeritron]

I love micro-episodes of anything. I wish every movie had a short film at the start of it. It's just such a great bonus.
I love how Pixar movies have a short film, and I love the fake trailers in Grindhouse. I just feel like I'm getting more entertainment, and if Marvel or even DC would start doing it I'd be thrilled.

[Sixx]

Whoops, I meant Odin.

Swap the names and the post stands, though.

Could you link me to the trailer, then?

The one I saw had like a second of Odin.

[Kalyx triaD]

There's only one, 5min trailer, and you said you seen it.

[Jeritron]

He probably watched that Entertainment Tonight spot or something.

[Sixx]

There's only one, 5min trailer, and you said you seen it.

I saw some 1:50min one. But yeah, I found the 5 min trailer later.

Instead of being a smart-ass you could've just posted a link. Thanks for nothing, bitch.

[McLegend]

Just got Winter Solider. I will see how good this is.

[Sixx]

Just got Winter Solider. I will see how good this is.

What? There's a Winter Soldier movie?

[McLegend]

It's the comic.

[Sixx]

Which Winter Soldier comic?

There wasn't only one.

[McLegend]

Yeah that didn't suck.

That was a good recommendation there Fignuts and Lock Jaw.

[McLegend]

Which Winter Soldier comic?

There wasn't only one.

Both Volumes.

[McLegend]

What's the overall opinon of Chris Evans being Captain America? Favorable? unfavorable?

I don't think I like it.

[Kalyx triaD]

I dig it now, seemed odd initially. "Human Torch is Cap?"

[McLegend]

Yeah I don't like that.

[Kalyx triaD]

Hail Hydra!

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/8/2010/11/500x_tank.jpg

[Rammsteinmad]

'So RDJ is playing me and Chris Hemsworth is Thor,
And Cap will look a lot like this guy from Fantastic Four'.

Can't be bothered to find the video, but it cracks me up every time. :lol:

[Fignuts]

What's the overall opinon of Chris Evans being Captain America? Favorable? unfavorable?

I don't think I like it.

If I hadn't seen Evans in anything else but FF, I'd be very skeptical, but seeing him in a few other roles, I'm pretty optimistic. He is quite the versitale actor, and he's played a myriad of completely different roles, and personalities. Mirrors Heath Ledger in that way.

[McLegend]

I have no problem with Chris Evans. I do like him as an actor. He does always play that cocky guy, and he is good at playing that type of character. I just have trouble seeing him as Captain America.

I don't think he has it. I hope I am wrong.

[XL]

Didn't a lot pf people say the same thing when Ledger was cast for TDK?

[Reavant]

yes

[McLegend]

But Health Ledger had a better resume. Chris Evans hasn't really been in a hit movie. Let alone be the starring role.

[Reavant]

well to be fair... heath's hit movie before tdk was playing a gay cowboy. that movie is going to be a hit just because of the content.

[Rammsteinmad]

Michael Keaton surprised the world when he played Batman.

Heath Ledger most definitely surprised the world when he played the Joker.

Though I've not seen much of Chris Evans, I haven't seen anything that suggests he couldn't play this role. Say what you want about any of the Marvel films, but I honestly think all of them have been perfectly casted. The people making this film know what they're looking for, and if they see it in Chris Evans, then Chris Evans is Captain America.

[Kalyx triaD]

Wolverine 2 will be titled, "The Wolverine".

[Rammsteinmad]

Lol seriously?

X-Men Origins: Wolverine 2 - The Wolverine.

:lol:

[Kalyx triaD]

Well, just "The Wolverine" altogether. And it was stressed that this is not a sequel to Origins: Wolverine.

So yeah, the X-Men movie-verse splinters even more.

[Rammsteinmad]

Fucking X-Men movie-verse. :foc:

[Kalyx triaD]

Fucking Fox. They need to get their shit together. At this rate there will be a Storm solo film starring Samantha Lathaan that's a sequel/reboot/prequel but will keep Patrick Stewart... as Mr. Sinister.

[Jeritron]

But Health Ledger had a better resume. Chris Evans hasn't really been in a hit movie. Let alone be the starring role.

Evans is great in Sunshine

[XL]

lol @ The Wolverine

[Jeritron]

I'm sure the posters will look like this, too:


The
Wolverine

[BigDaddyCool]

I hate the most of you like comic books.

[Sixx]

Tyler Mane was a great Sabretooth. Liev Schreiber - not so much, but somehow he made it work.

[Kalyx triaD]

Tyler Mane had the look but he was a poor Sabretooth. Liev had the attitude, but not enough savage nature. Wonder if he'll get another chance at it.

[Rammsteinmad]

I thought Schreiber was a pretty good Sabretooth. Like KT said, he definitely pulled off the attitude.

Mane was alright, but didn't really do much so it's hard to judge.

[Blitz]

A cast photo from Spider Man: Turn Off The Dark, the upcoming Broadway musical.

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/101116/spider-man-vogue_510.jpg

Alright. That's...something.

[Blitz]

Another. Good lord.

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/1503/imgspidermanturnoffthed.jpg

[Nowhere Man]

Yup, no way that's gonna be fucking horrible.

[Rammsteinmad]

Sounds like a terrible idea... but it's Spider-Man, how could I possibly hate it?

[Nowhere Man]

Same way I hated One More Day and Sins Past and Spider-Man 3. Crap is still crap, no matter what character is in it.

[Sixx]

'So RDJ is playing me and Chris Hemsworth is Thor,
And Cap will look a lot like this guy from Fantastic Four'.

Can't be bothered to find the video, but it cracks me up every time. :lol:

I have more of a problem with the casting of Thor.

[Sixx]

Guess I quoted the wrong post.

[Kalyx triaD]

And Denis Leary is Gwen Stacy's father in the Spidey reboot. Please let him do a rant.

[Fignuts]

Captain Stacy should be played by someone with charlton heston or clint eastwood like character. Not a fucking comedian.

[Kalyx triaD]

I've stopped considering past acts of actors when they get roles. After a while you see how many times we're proven wrong and you just learn to 'wait and see'.

[Fignuts]

Yeah, but it's Dennis fucking Leary.

[Kalyx triaD]

I like him a lot.

[Fignuts]

I do too, just not in serious roles.

[Rammsteinmad]

Has it been announced who's playing JJ?

JK Simmons was fucking perfect for that role. Good luck topping that.

[Kalyx triaD]

Not yet. Wonder who they have in mind.

[Blitz]

Captain Stacy should be played by someone with charlton heston or clint eastwood like character. Not a fucking comedian.
He can play serious.

[The Destroyer]

I heard John Slattery was one of the names in the frame for JJ.

[Sixx]

I can't imagine him being better than Simmons.

[The Destroyer]

Yeah, frankly he's going to be very difficult to beat. If not impossible.