NFL 2009 Season Thread

[Kris P Lettus]

you mean because of the Bengals?

Because the Saints have clearly demonstrated one of the best teams in the league, so there's no way to call them an underdog.



There have been maybe 15 winning season in 43 years.. How are they not an underdog??

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Actually 9 :o

[Kris P Lettus]

There you go..

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Although the Saints do have a better win % than the Falcons, Buccaneers, and Cardinals.

[Kris P Lettus]

Out of those three teams, The Saints only hold a winning record against the Bucs..

[Kris P Lettus]

We only hold winning records against the Bucs, Chiefs, Lions, Bills, and Jets out of the whole NFL..

[Loose Cannon]

I use the term "underdog" differently then you do. I don't consider a team that's the division leader as an underdog. They are a favorite to me. I don't use they past when discussing underdogs. it doesn't really make any sense.

[Loose Cannon]

if the Royals have the best record in the MLB next year and make the World Series against a Wild card winner in the NL, do you consider the Roayls to be an underdog?

[SammyG]

Yes

[Reavant]

you cant call a team thats potentially 16-2 in the superbowl an underdog

[parkmania]

In order for the Steelers to get in, they require 1) a win and 2) losses or ties by 2 of the following: Jets, Ravens, Texans.

PIT plays in MIA: Winnable.
BAL plays in OAK: BAL Probably wins.
HOU hosts NE: NE possibly rests a bunch of guys. HOU is currently a 7-point favorite because of this.
NYJ play in CIN: This is the Sunday Night game, and I could really see CIN going all out if NE loses to try and get the 3rd seed and help get PIT in so they could beat them 3 times in a year.

So yeah, not looking good for the defending champs.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I don't even really care what the Jets do.....but I gotta say it's really fucking retarded that they get to play the last regular season game at GIANTS Stadium.</font>

[OssMan]

Why the fuck would you use the past when considering favorites/underdogs. Oh yeah the Patriots had the best team of all time 2 years ago so they are naturally a favorite no matter who they face this postseason

[Loose Cannon]

to Vito

I know you're not actually from NY, so it may be different, but both of us and Triple A even are the outcasts in are football/baseball combination.

it's usually Mets/Jets and Yankees/Giants.

[Dragon]

Yeah, it really makes no sense at all to call one of the best teams in the league an underdog because of years past. I don't even understand how that point can be argued.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

You guys are taking Krispy's post out of context. He's talking about the grand scheme of things. In the history of the NFL, yes they're both underdogs. Chill

[Evil Vito]

to Vito

I know you're not actually from NY, so it may be different, but both of us and Triple A even are the outcasts in are football/baseball combination.

it's usually Mets/Jets and Yankees/Giants.

<font color=goldenrod>Yeah, I've noticed that. I basically just liked all the teams my dad liked (for that reason I also support the Knicks and Islanders, but I rarely watch either of those sports anymore).

I also didn't mind the Jets and Yanks and wanted to see the "local" team win. I still don't normally mind the Jets, but once the Yanks started their '90s dynasty...I slowly started to dislike them once everybody in elementary/middle school started wearing Yankees gear despite not knowing anything about the team except that they were always good. The 2000 World Series was then the culmination of it and I officially began rooting against the Yankees except during interleague play against good NL teams.</font> :o

[Crimson]

I live in California but I like the Cowboys. We have no team anyway. And I started watching sports/football when I was like 11 and the Cowboys were on tv.

I was watching and not sure how I made the decision to start liking em but I did and it stuck.

Anything better than the Raiders which most people like around here:roll:

[Gonzo]

to Vito

I know you're not actually from NY, so it may be different, but both of us and Triple A even are the outcasts in are football/baseball combination.

it's usually Mets/Jets and Yankees/Giants.

Giants/Mets right here :o

[Nervous Ferret]

My grandfather started liking the Yankees in like 1946. Every person in my family since has pretty much been a Yankee fan. And at Superbowl III after the Jets won Joe WILLY Namath pointed and smiled at a young 10 year old boy (my dad). So on family ties I am Yankees/JEts fan. But for the most part it is usually Yankees/giants jets/mets for whatever reason


Odd that like every single New York sports fan is backwards on TPWW except for Big Vito. And I guess stupid Big Fat Mike

[Nervous Ferret]

My dad and grandpa were also at Superbowl I, IV, and V. Didn't end up a Packers or Chiefs fan though :-\. Although I guess the fact that they were living in Newark at the time really gave the jestsss a "home" feel

[Evil Vito]

Odd that like every single New York sports fan is backwards on TPWW except for Big Vito. And I guess stupid Big Fat Mike

<font color=goldenrod>But I AM backwards. Giants/Mets</font>

[Nervous Ferret]

oh ya. Brain fart I guess.

[Dragon]

Yankees/Giants.

And yeah, pretty much every one I know is the same way and follows those lines. Yanks/Giants or Mets/Jets.

[RatedGSuperstar]

As a fan with no real rooting interest in the Jets, it would kind of suck to see them make the playoffs by virtue of the Colts and Bengals essentially throwing their games. With the Jets/Bengals game being moved to the Sunday Night slot, it's entirely possible that the Bengals won't have anything to play for by the time the game starts and sits Carson Palmer. I'd be pretty pissed if I was a fan of a team that was recently leapfrogged by the Jets.

Of course, given the Jets' history, it's entirely possible they lose to a Bengals team led by J.T. O'Sullivan anyway. I'm not sure I would trust Mark Sanchez to win a primetime must-win game yet...we'll probably see Thomas Jones and Shonn Greene get a combined 45 carries or something.

[Loose Cannon]

You guys are taking Krispy's post out of context. He's talking about the grand scheme of things. In the history of the NFL, yes they're both underdogs. Chill

but then so are like 20 other teams. I don't like this argument or your attitude Supreme

[Loose Cannon]

Odd that like every single New York sports fan is backwards on TPWW except for Big Vito. And I guess stupid Big Fat Mike

tpub is filled with a bunch of wierdos

[Team Sheep]

I adopted the Jets and Mets as my teams because the Mets were the first MLB team I went to see. The Jets I became a fan of when I started following NFL in 2005, and then they were my first team I saw play. Had no idea there was a sort of pattern as to who New Yorkers supported. It's really fucking hard to try and follow baseball over here but I try :$ Also doesn't help with the enthusiasm when the Mets have been shit the past 2-3 years. Love the Jets and the Mets though, seem like proper 'people's' clubs.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

but then so are like 20 other teams. I don't like this argument or your attitude Supreme

Bigger than the Bengals and Saints? Negro please.

[ClockShot]

So how deep into the game is Favre gonna go tonight?

[McLegend]

C'mon Bears

[DaveWadding]

Yes. go Bears.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Bigger than the Bengals and Saints? Negro please.
The New England Patriots pre-Robert Kraft (owner) where on this list. Then they got their shit together tho

[McLegend]

Man the wheels are coming off.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I LOVE being associated with THAT guy

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Gunslinger II

[McLegend]

Should have picked that.

[McLegend]

Man Brett Favre and Sidney Rice are really good.

[Tb1]

Amazing catch.

[McLegend]

God DMANIT

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

"Every time I walk by Adrian Peterson I feel like I need to do 100 sit ups, THAT GUY is chiseled" - Jon Gruden

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

HOLY SHIT, fucking bomb for the win

[Reavant]

fucking bears

[McLegend]

GO GET THAT 2 SEED.

[FearedSanctity]

fucking bears

[DaveWadding]

go Giants and Cowboys. :)

[McLegend]

Great game.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Frank Gifford all day everyday

[DAMN iNATOR]

It was OK, but still can't believe the dumb-ass fucking review booth actually "confirmed" the fumble that set up Chicago's "winning drive". WTF? It was clearly a dead ball, based on everything I saw in the replays--his knee hit the ground, and then the ball was knocked loose.:nono:

Although, all things considered, I'm pretty sure either the Vikings or the Packers will come away with the NFC title and hopefully a Super Bowl XLIV victory.

[Nervous Ferret]

"Every time I walk by Adrian Peterson I feel like I need to do 100 sit ups, THAT GUY is chiseled" - Jon Gruden
lol

[Reavant]

No the ball was coming out before the knee hit.. it was clear as day... shut up

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

What? The ball was punched out by that dude Hillenmeyer before AP's knee hit the ground bro

[Emperor Smeat]

Since Eagles are tied with Vikings in the standings, who takes #2 seed in NFC if both have same record next week ?

[McLegend]

If Eagles win they are the 2 seed. Eagles lose Vikings win... Vikings are the 2nd seed.

Both teams lose the Cardinals are the 2nd seed.

[Loose Cannon]

Eagles

[McLegend]

Also if all 3 of those teams lose the Vikings would get the 2nd seed.

[Emperor Smeat]

If Eagles win they are the 2 seed. Eagles lose Vikings win... Vikings are the 2nd seed.

Both teams lose the Cardinals are the 2nd seed.

Wow didn't even pay attention to the Cards record, would be crazy if they some how sneak in as a #2 seed.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Jay Cutler's game winning TD pass won me 3rd place in my fantasy league. At least it gets me a trophy

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I'm very conflicted about this upcoming weekend. I think I want the Jets to make the playoffs, but I'd also like the Bengals to get the 5th seed and not have to go to Indy in the 2nd round. Hmmmm

[Loose Cannon]

Bengals need to lay down

[parkmania]

I'm very conflicted about this upcoming weekend. I think I want the Jets to make the playoffs, but I'd also like the Bengals to get the 5th seed and not have to go to Indy in the 2nd round. Hmmmm

Getting a bit ahead of ourselves, aren't we? I think Cincy truly fears having to face either the Steelers or the Ravens for a third time.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I dunno, depends on what Kimo von Oelhoffen is up to.

[parkmania]

I dunno, depends on what Kimo von Oelhoffen is up to.

That's just Carson Palmer who's afraid of him.

[#1-norm-fan]

Also if all 3 of those teams lose the Vikings would get the 2nd seed.

If Philly, Minnesota and Arizona all lose, Dallas gets the 2nd seed.

[#1-norm-fan]

Basically, here is the possible scenarios for next week in the NFC...

Minnesota over NY Giants
Dallas over Philly
Arizona over Green Bay

Minnesota gets bye... GB @ Arz / Phi @ Dal

NY Giants over Minnesota
Dallas over Philly
Arizona over Green Bay

Arizona gets bye... GB @ Dal / Phi @ Min

Minnesota over NY Giants
Philly over Dallas
Arizona over Green Bay

Philly gets bye... Dal @ Min / GB @ Ari

Minnesota over NY Giants
Dallas over Philly
Green Bay over Arizona

Minnesota gets bye... Phi @ Dal / GB @ Ari

NY Giants over Minnesota
Philly over Dallas
Arizona over Green Bay

Philly gets bye... Dal @ Ari / GB @ Min

NY Giants over Minnesota
Dallas over Philly
Green Bay over Arizona

Dallas gets bye... Phi @ Min / GB @ Ari

Minnesota over NY Giants
Philly over Dallas
Green Bay over Arizona

Philly gets bye... Dal @ Min / GB @ Ari

I think I covered every possible scenario there...

[Requiem]

Bill Polian on their decision -

http://www.nfl.com/videos/indianapolis-colts/09000d5d8155bfdd/Generally-speaking

Might make more sense after explaining it like that. Wayne and Clark both had minor injuries. Addai left the game earlier with an injury. Sorgi was out, so if Manning got hurt they didn't have someone who could handle the pressure of the playoffs.

The same time they pulled those main guys, they said they had another guy leave with an injury. Seems like it was a lot that was adding up. Pretty sure Garcon has also been dealing with a shoulder problem or something. IDK.. I think the timing was bad in retrospect, but they were probably right to pull the starters during the game. Couldn't really pull Wayne and Clark without pulling Manning cause it's going to disrupt the flow no matter what, IMO. So :-\

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Just saw a piece of the Bill Polian interview. So he wanted the Colts to set the record for the most consecutive regular season games won & most wins in the decade but not the undefeated season?

[Requiem]

idk, i think he was just saying they were equally impressive records and everyone was acting like 16-0 meant everything or something. But he said it wouldn't have meant anything had they not won the super bowl after that, and that was the priority right now.

[FearedSanctity]

Just read this little line on another site in regards to an uncapped year...

One of the provisions of that scenario is that the 8 teams which make the Divisional Playoff round are prohibited from signing any free agents, except to replace their own lost players.

http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/12/29/1223063/shallow-thoughts-nearsighted

If this is the case, pretty sure I'd rather Denver NOT get in to the playoffs.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

It could have just been the way they cut up the interview (which very well could be it) but I'm pretty sure he said they were trying to set two records, then he said both of those two things. I just don't understand caring about two of the records but then not the other, I think all 3 are fairly similar and none of them have to do with Superbowl titles.

[Requiem]

But see, the other two records weren't really something you could 'aim for' in a season. I mean, I guess you could aim for the consecutive wins thing, but that kinda of just seemed to happen. Kinda crept up in the midst of an awesome season. Just like the most wins in a decade bit.. I mean, you really can't aim for something like that. Or if he was, then wow.. hell of a goal. lol It was just in the time of the season when they felt they needed to push, and were clinching everything still.

[Requiem]

idk.. i see their significance being roughly the same, but they just 'feel' different. Going for an undefeated season is something you can aim for every season. The others seem too long term to really aim for.

[Emperor Smeat]

Seems odd he would say their goal was to set most wins in a row and most wins in a decade but not stress more about the Superbowl title being the ultimate goal more than wins.

For example, Pittsburgh is ranked #4/#5th for most wins in the decade and they never had a good win streak but they won 2 titles in 3 years. On the other side, Eagles I believe owns NFC record for most wins in the decade but only managed 1 Superbowl appearance out of 5 NFC title game chances.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I cannot wait to see the train wreck in Washington if they have an uncapped year.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Just saw the interview again, Pollian believes the most wins in a decade is a historical record where as going undefeated is not. lol what

[Splaya]

I cannot wait to see the train wreck in Washington if they have an uncapped year.

The Washington Redskins have drafted Ryan Mallet QB from Arkansas and have signed him to a 5 year 105 million dollar deal.

BOOK IT

[Team Sheep]

Surely the guy should be disciplined for saying shit like this...


'Revis, Bart Scott and the Jets’ No. 1 defense will try to keep Cincinnati's offense quiet this week. The Bengals’ No. 85, who spars in the boxing ring in the off-season, sent out a verbal warning to the Madbacker today.

“I think he'd better keep his talking to a minimum because I’ll hit him in the mouth Sunday. I’ll hit him in the mouth and I’m not playing,” said The Ocho. “I know he takes a lot of things I say as a joke, but I’m not playing this time because I’m playing for something else and I’ll hit him in the mouth, helmet on or helmet off, and I’ll take that fine.” '

[Gonzo]

Maybe not for saying something, but he would definitely get in trouble if he acted upon his words.

[Prez]

Ochocinco is the man. Obnoxious, offensive, in love with himself... and hilarious.

I really can't believe the NFL doesn't implement a repeat offender rule for him and actually fine him an amount he would care about. That he goes out and says he doesn't give a shit about the fines and actually welcomes them is just too funny. It's really like they don't want to stop him. No fun league no more.

[Team Sheep]

He's just said "The fines don't bother me and I will go out on the field and intentionally hurt people illegally". How the hell can you get away with that?

[RatedGSuperstar]

Well, to be fair, who hasn't wanted to punch Bart Scott at some point?

[Gonzo]

He's just said "The fines don't bother me and I will go out on the field and intentionally hurt people illegally". How the hell can you get away with that?

He won't get away with it. The fine is probably going to be more severe if a player sets a pretense, such as this situation.

[Emperor Smeat]

Just saw the interview again, Pollian believes the most wins in a decade is a historical record where as going undefeated is not. lol what

:lol:

If it was really "historical" then ESPN and others would have been hyping whoever was the decade leader of the 1990s and maybe of all time when they would make these stats instead of having the breaking news of Mercury Morris being the guest on a yearly episode of NFL Primetime.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Chad's also trying to get Jets fans to do a O-C-H-O Ocho! Ocho! Ocho! chant if he scores this weekend

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Chad said he was going to fight Shawn Merriman too and nothing came of it. It's just talk. Chad and Scott have a long history from Scott's time in Baltimore. Scott knows the story.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Also think about it. Bengals have a really good chance of playing the Jets next week. What if Chad pisses Scott off to the point he attacks him and gets himself suspended?

Strategy, folks.

[Skippord]

I love Chad Johnson so much

feel like a tool saying Chad Ochocinco though

[FearedSanctity]

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[RP]

BILL POLIAN IS A FUCKING MORON AND A DOUCHEBAG

[RP]

I cant even fucking defend the fuck anymore. Seriously. I'm as die hard as it gets and i cant fucking defend Bill Polian anymore. What a fucking douche

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Imagine if the Colts' backups end up winning this week and then the team goes on to win the Super Bowl. That one loss would taint the entire season, IMO.</font>

[RP]

no it wouldnt

[RP]

Thats just dumb talk . Your season isnt tainted after winning a Superbowl unless they find out you taped every team you faced , practices. Comon. We all know that.

[Team Sheep]

Also think about it. Bengals have a really good chance of playing the Jets next week. What if Chad pisses Scott off to the point he attacks him and gets himself suspended?

Strategy, folks.

I realise it's all talk and probably nothing will come of it, but you can't just say that. He's undermining the league, setting a bad example, etc. If I was Goodell I'd come down hard on saying things like that. Nobody deserves to go on the field fearing they may get hurt illegally because the punishments are too tame for these multi-millionaire showmen.

In the English Premier League players and managers can get fines and bans just for criticizing officials, which can be a bit OTT in my view but at least the league makes an effort to stamp out dissrespectful behaviour. And I'm sure if a player said they were going to go out on the weekend and break someone's leg, they'd expect a lengthy ban.

[Hanso Amore]

RP you are a super faggot. Polian is one of the best GMs in history. You are just a fucking retarded piece of bitter shit

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I realise it's all talk and probably nothing will come of it, but you can't just say that. He's undermining the league, setting a bad example, etc. If I was Goodell I'd come down hard on saying things like that. Nobody deserves to go on the field fearing they may get hurt illegally because the punishments are too tame for these multi-millionaire showmen.

In the English Premier League players and managers can get fines and bans just for criticizing officials, which can be a bit OTT in my view but at least the league makes an effort to stamp out dissrespectful behaviour. And I'm sure if a player said they were going to go out on the weekend and break someone's leg, they'd expect a lengthy ban.

You definitely have a point, but let's not forget the particularly barbaric nature of this sport. Intimidation and anger always play a key role. As long as it's just trash talk, then I don't see the need to snuff it out.

NFL fines you for criticizing officials too btw.

[Emperor Smeat]

Chad's also trying to get Jets fans to do a O-C-H-O Ocho! Ocho! Ocho! chant if he scores this weekend

:lol:

He might be the only one who could get away with that happening in most stadiums. I think he said same thing about taking a Lambeau Leap in Green Bay and did it when he scored (albeit he found the 1 section that had a few Bengal fans in case everyone else threw him back).

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Lamar Woodley says the Bengals and Patriots are going to lay down this week because they don't want the Steelers in the playoffs.

Hey Lamar, if you want to make the playoffs so bad, maybe don't lose to the Browns next time, k?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

:lol:

He might be the only one who could get away with that happening in most stadiums. I think he said same thing about taking a Lambeau Leap in Green Bay and did it when he scored (albeit he found the 1 section that had a few Bengal fans in case everyone else threw him back).

Green Bay also has pretty respectful fans. Remember the Dawg Pound leap?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

http://theburningriver.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/dawgpoundno1.jpg

[Emperor Smeat]

LOL yeah probably the only 2 stadiums that would hate Ocho and everyone else would be the Browns and Raiders stadium.

[RatedGSuperstar]

Green Bay also has pretty respectful fans. Remember the Dawg Pound leap?

Respectful as long as you don't play for the Vikings or Bears. Ask Fred Smoot how much success he had trying to do a Lambeau Leap while wearing a Minnesota uniform.

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee75/midwestfavrefan/packqn3.jpg

[Droford]

Jets fans wont be able to have beer on Sunday night in the final game at Giants Stadium.

should be interesting

[RP]

RP you are a super faggot. Polian is one of the best GMs in history. You are just a fucking retarded piece of bitter shit

You are the one that is the faggot

[Evil Vito]

Thats just dumb talk . Your season isnt tainted after winning a Superbowl unless they find out you taped every team you faced , practices. Comon. We all know that.

<font color=goldenrod>Well, tainted isn't the right word...but you can't tell me that after the Super Bowl happiness fades away, you wouldn't be thinking "damn, we were THIS close to being 19-0"</font>

[RP]

you bet

[The Pope]

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[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Lamar Woodley says the Bengals and Patriots are going to lay down this week because they don't want the Steelers in the playoffs.

Hey Lamar, if you want to make the playoffs so bad, maybe don't lose to the Browns next time, k?Yeah that was stupid, it was like he was trying to motivate them not to lay down lol. It's not gonna work but it's worth a shot I guess, doesn't have much to lose.

[VonErichLives]

There have been maybe 15 winning season in 43 years.. How are they not an underdog??

because the last 43 seasons have nothing to do with the team on the field this year.

It isn't like they're going to finish the season 8-8 and sneak into the last WC spot... this team has one loss and has dominated most teams this year.

[Skippord]

two losses

[Requiem]

Wow. How ridiculous.

http://www.indystar.com/article/20100102/SPORTS03/1020356/1058/SPORTS03/NFL-will-look-into-teams-pulling-starters

"<!--Saxotech Paragraph Count: 6
-->Coach Jim Caldwell played by the rules when he opted to pull quarterback Peyton Manning and other starters in the third quarter of the Indianapolis Colts' loss to the New York Jets last Sunday.

Those rules will come under review during the offseason, in part because of fan outrage following the Colts' 29-15 setback."

[RP]

lol i'm mad, but they cant make them play there players.

[Requiem]

Yeah pretty stupid. Wouldn't have been an issue AT ALL if the Colts were not undefeated. Had they lost a single game earlier that season, and then decided to rest their starters, nobody would have cared. It would be routine, just getting ready for the playoffs. But people are just butthurt about the strategy they decided to use, so people are crying about it.

People should look at it this way - If the STRATEGY fails, then it was obviously a mistake, and is a PART OF THE GAME. It will give other teams a chance at the Super Bowl. If it succeeds, then it was a gamble that paid off and would be no different than any other team resting their starters going into the playoffs.

[RP]

They put like 20x more pressure on themselves to win the Superbowl now.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

That's the stupidest thing I've heard this year. There's a perfectly fair practice already in place for teams fighting for playoff spots: win your games. Sure it sucks if some other team gets to play the JV team while you have to play as hard as possible, but if you would've won your other games, you wouldn't be in this spot.

There's no way they could possibly consider penalizing teams for being too good.

[RP]

The Saints are resting Brees the whole game this week.

I dont know about the Pats, but i'm willing to bet there's some truth to the Pats and Bengals not wanting the Steelers in the playoffs.

Personally i'm tired of hearing the Steelers crying. I hope they get in and the Colts beat the shit out of them.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

They put like 20x more pressure on themselves to win the Superbowl now.I don't think so, I think being undefeated would bring more pressure

[RP]

I don't think so, I think being undefeated would bring more pressure

yes it is

[Requiem]

:lol:

[Emperor Smeat]

The Saints are resting Brees the whole game this week.

I dont know about the Pats, but i'm willing to bet there's some truth to the Pats and Bengals not wanting the Steelers in the playoffs.

Personally i'm tired of hearing the Steelers crying. I hope they get in and the Colts beat the shit out of them.

Both teams are 10-5 so if they wanted to win Week 17, at most it's worth home field should those 2 teams meet in AFC Title game. Right now Pats are the #3 seed.

[ClockShot]

McDevil decides to bench Brandon Marshall. And so begins the rift that was all the news at pre-season.

And we really, REALLY need to win this game.

[VonErichLives]

Agree or disagree with sitting the players the Colts earned that right. Trying to say "you have to play your starters" is stupid, all teams will do is fake injuries to bench guys.

Does it suck for a bubble team that another team lays down week 17? Sure, but had your team played better and won more games you wouldn't be a bubble team.

and no, if the Colts win it all the loss will be a footnote mention, like the Bears in 1985.

Now, if the Colts rest they're player again this week and then get upset in their first playoff game, then it will get questioned if it was a factor, like in years past.

Personally, I really don't think it makes a difference however track record shows differently.

Oh, and why is Marshall being benched?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

If they ever did try to enforce a rule like this, I could totally see someone having his offense take a knee on every single snap and let the other team win 140-0.

[Gonzo]

It's absurd the way coaches are scrutinized for resting players or not resting them. On one hand, people criticize that it disrupts team momentum, chemistry etc. (i.e. the intangible factors.) On the other hand, the loss of one player can cripple some teams. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Do you really want Peyton Manning, Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, or a key defender to be injured because you wanted to preserve a victory in a more or less meaningless week 15 game?

The Patriots went undefeated in the regular season in 2007, and while that is impressive, they didn't win the Superbowl. You can go undefeated all the way to the Superbowl and not win it, as in that situation, does that undefeated season even really matter? I would rather see my favorite team win a championship than go undefeated and lose in the big game. If my team went undefeated and won a championship, that is great too. I think the coaches have to do what they believe gives them the best chance to win that championship, because after all, that is the ultimate goal.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

The whole disrupting chemistry argument is overblown. Doesn't a bye week do the exact same thing? Yet teams want a good record so they can earn a bye week in the postseason.

[Reavant]

well look at what happened in the years past when the colts rested player... and look at what happened the one year where they had to play until week 17. So is the disrupting chemistry argument THAT overblown??

Had the colts lost a game earlier in the year, this would not have been an issue what so ever, but the thing is they were going for a historical accomplishment that they were on the cusp of achieving and the pissed it away.

[Gonzo]

And if they go undefeated and don't win a championship, for whatever reason, is the undefeated regular season that significant?

As a fan, I couldn't care less about an undefeated season if it doesn't come with a championship.

[SammyG]

Why did the Saints just cut Mickenzie?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Alright let's look into this. I'm intrigued.

2008: Titans rested, lost first playoff game; Colts rested, lost first playoff game; Giants rested, lost first playoff game; Steelers didn't rest and Roethlisberger got a concussion but didn't miss the playoffs

2007: Steelers rested, lost first playoff game; Packers rested, lost NFC Championship; Seahawks rested some, went 1-1 in playoffs; Jaguars rested, went 1-1; Tampa rested, lost first playoff game; Giants and Patriots did not rest, made Super Bowl

2006: Bears rested, made Super Bowl; Eagles rested, went 1-1; Saints rested, lost in NFC Championship; Colts didn't rest; won Super Bowl


Maybe there is something to it. Maybe.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Interesting note: only one #1 seed won a Super Bowl this decade.

[Emperor Smeat]

In hindsight, Bellicheck probably should have rested some defensive players in one of the last few games since late into the season and in the playoffs (especially the Superbowl), the defense was showing signs of fatigue.

Nothing needed to be done with the offense since it was too powerful to even be affected by rest except maybe develop the rush game better to give the defense more rest time.

[FearedSanctity]

I think the benching of Marshall and Sheffler is either:

A. McD just flat out doesn't like them and wants to try without them.
B. McD trying to make Orton and the rest of the O prove themselves without their main weapons.

B may seem a little farfetched, but really, went 16 weeks of Marshall BEING the offense and NOW of all times McDaniels gets pissy? Gotta be more going on there than they're letting on. Sheffler is gone after this year regardless, just isn't what McDaniels wants for his system. Royal's also out this week due to injury

So Denver's recievers for this game are Brandon Stokley, Brandon Lloyd, Jabar Gaffney and Mathew Willis. Yay

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Marshall is injured anyway

[Crimson]

Alright let's look into this. I'm intrigued.

2008: Titans rested, lost first playoff game; Colts rested, lost first playoff game; Giants rested, lost first playoff game; Steelers didn't rest and Roethlisberger got a concussion but didn't miss the playoffs

2007: Steelers rested, lost first playoff game; Packers rested, lost NFC Championship; Seahawks rested some, went 1-1 in playoffs; Jaguars rested, went 1-1; Tampa rested, lost first playoff game; Giants and Patriots did not rest, made Super Bowl

2006: Bears rested, made Super Bowl; Eagles rested, went 1-1; Saints rested, lost in NFC Championship; Colts didn't rest; won Super Bowl


Maybe there is something to it. Maybe.

Good shit:y:

I understand the resting players part of coaching, but when it came to the Colts they shoulda gone for it. I mean really why not..why not actually try to win EVERY game in a season? Why "play it safe" if there's no guarantees that you're winning the superbowl either way.

[RatedGSuperstar]

I think the benching of Marshall and Sheffler is either:

A. McD just flat out doesn't like them and wants to try without them.
B. McD trying to make Orton and the rest of the O prove themselves without their main weapons.

B may seem a little farfetched, but really, went 16 weeks of Marshall BEING the offense and NOW of all times McDaniels gets pissy? Gotta be more going on there than they're letting on. Sheffler is gone after this year regardless, just isn't what McDaniels wants for his system. Royal's also out this week due to injury

So Denver's recievers for this game are Brandon Stokley, Brandon Lloyd, Jabar Gaffney and Mathew Willis. Yay

There's a theory out there that the Broncos have intentions of applying a RFA tender to Marshall and Scheffler and deal them in the offseason (possibly to Washington once Shanahan takes over), and they don't want them to get hurt (or hurt worse, in Marshall's case) and damage their trade value. Not sure how much validity there is to that since I don't follow the team all that much, but it's an idea.

[Reavant]

And if they go undefeated and don't win a championship, for whatever reason, is the undefeated regular season that significant?

As a fan, I couldn't care less about an undefeated season if it doesn't come with a championship.

Yes its still significant, but the regular season once your in the playoffs is a little irrelevant. They still have to play and win all the games and the entire season is that much sweeter if you can run the table. Of course you cant care less whether a team runs the table with no championship, but i gaurantee you would want nothing more for your team than to have the perfect season so shut up.

[Gonzo]

No, I'm pretty sure that I'd rather have a team go 10-6 in the regular season and win the Superbowl than 16-0 in the regular season and lose in the Superbowl, like the Giants in 2007. So, you can't guarantee shit, fuck off.

[blak23]

i agree with Gonzo its all about the rings baby

[McLegend]

I think you gotta go for 19-0. You should always go for history when you have the chance for it.

Also teams should try and go undefeated just to shut up Mercury Morris and the 72 Dolphins. That's really the big reason.

[FearedSanctity]

Marshall is injured anyway

Pulled hamstring, and IIRC, he's played through worse and that's apparently McDaniels' point. He felt Marshall was milking it and wasn't trying as hard as others who were hurting more than him and his hamstring. I understand his point, but I don't think this is the time to do it.

As far as that theory goes, it wouldn't really surprise me. Not sure where I sit on the matter. Love Marshall, but its risky. Deserves the money, no doubt. But he's one run in with the law away from being gone for a whole season. May be best to just move on and get all we can.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I always have a tough time buying claims like that in the NFL. They are professionals, they aren't exactly killing themselves out there during practice at this time of the year. I'm assuming there's more to it.

[Droford]

Two things:

A) If the Broncos somehow win and make the playoffs, does Marshall play in the playoffs?

B) I cant really see Brian Billick coaching in Buffalo...

[RP]

Here's a countdown of the teams i'd want the Colts to play in the playoffs. #1 being the team i absolutely dont want to see.


#9- Bengals- Please let us get the Bengals in the AFC title game, or any playoff game for that matter. They cant score enough points.

#8- Jets- Sorry, but if Indy was playing foreal, the Jets would have been blown out in week 15

#7- Ravens- They make so many mistakes and they talk a huge game, but never seem to play a huge game.

#6 Steelers- This team looks done without Palomalu.

#5- Houston- This team would love to get another crack at Indy. I cant say i'd be looking forward to seeing them again

#4 Denver - They play great defense and Marshall will probably have about 40 catches if we keep leaving Tim Jennings on him. Tim Jennings is basically our Ellis Hobbs.

# 3 Miami- We cant stop the Wildcat. Seriously. We cant. I dont know what we'll do. The only good thing is that Ronnie Brown isnt healthy and Ted Ginn has bricks for hands.

#2 San Diego- We have to beat this team sometime. And it will be even harder this year. Unless Norv Turner out coaches himself and doesnt run misdirection plays and screen passes with Sproles all game, we're gunna have a really tough game

#1- New England - How fucking pissed off are they still about Indy winning that game. Bellichek getting shit on for that 4th and 2 play was pretty bad for Indianapolis. This guy is gunna have a stick up his ass for Indy. I can actually see New England going for every 4th down in this game.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

nah Bengals could beat the Colts

[Supreme Olajuwon]

If I'm seeding the AFC, it's going 1) San Diego 2) New England 3) Cincinnati 4) Indianapolis

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Really just want to see the Patriots win another Superbowl, that's all

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Chargers would probably have a couple Superbowls if Marty was still around

[RP]

If I'm seeding the AFC, it's going 1) San Diego 2) New England 3) Cincinnati 4) Indianapolis

Lol you're fucking stupid then. The Bengals wont make it past wildcard round. They cant pass teh football at all. There defense is slightly better then average. San Diego, Indy and New England ( and probably every other contending team other then the Jets and the Broncos and Ravens, ) would blow the Bengals out by 2 TD.

You really think the Bengals are better then the Colts? Cause if so, you're smoking crack.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Nah, Indy's just not that good. Bengals would win.

[RP]

When you can give me reasons why you would think that, i'll take you serious.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Oh I see.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Well, I think my biggest reason for saying the Bengals would beat the Colts is because the Bengals are better than the Colts.

[Droford]

If the Ravens can get the Bengals in the first round (need Bengals to win vs Jets) then I could see them beating the Bengals. 5 seed would probably play the Colts in the Divisional Round baring an upset of the patriots. The Ravens knocked off the #1 seed in the Titans last year who limped into the playoffs having lost 2 of their final 3 games.
I could see it happening again with the Colts. The Ravens were a few plays away from beating the Colts earlier (story of their whole season really..).

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0gnW4YCgBDcwo/340x.jpg
That haircut needs a ring

[McLegend]

I cannot wait for football.

[Nervous Ferret]

Jets would crush the Colts in a rematch

[RP]

I personally think the Raiders are better then the Bengals.

[Team Sheep]

The big day is here.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

wow RP just said the Raiders were better than the Colts

[RatedGSuperstar]

Kind of a dull day from the Packers' perspective. Today doesn't really matter, since there's like a 75% chance of seeing the Cards again next week. Getting ready for the Matt Flynn show. Maybe if McCarthy gets bored he'll put Jarrett Bush in single coverage against Larry Fitzgerald just to see what happens.

Anyway, today I'm just rooting for Philly to get the second seed and potentially forcing Favre to face the Eagles' defense in the cold in the second round. That would be like watching the overtime from last week's Monday night game for four quarters.

[Reavant]

No, I'm pretty sure that I'd rather have a team go 10-6 in the regular season and win the Superbowl than 16-0 in the regular season and lose in the Superbowl, like the Giants in 2007. So, you can't guarantee shit, fuck off.

If you would rather your team go 13-6 with a title over 19-0 with a title you are retarded.... since you didnt understand what I was saying you are retarded and need to get the fuck out

[FearedSanctity]

Marshall was late for therapy before benching (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/01/03/marshall-was-late-for-therapy-before-benching/)

Posted by Josh Alper on January 3, 2010 11:57 AM ET
Ed Werder of ESPN had a lengthy report (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4792471) Sunday morning on the decision to send Brandon Marshall (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=3653) and Tony Scheffler (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=3705) to the bench for Week 17's Broncos-Chiefs clash in Denver.

According to Werder, Marshall was benched after he was late to therapy for his injured hamstring on Friday. That followed an MRI on Wednesday that showed no structural damage to his hamstring, something that contributed to the team's feeling that he might be exaggerating the extent of his injury.

The decision to bench Marshall and Scheffler, both of whom are banned from the locker room and sideline on Sunday, follows a meeting McDaniels had with several Broncos players on Monday. Werder cites Champ Bailey (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=1925), Brian Dawkins (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=709) and Kyle Orton (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=3214) as some of the players who urged the coach to stress accountability in the run-up to the game against the Chiefs.

Chris Mortensen, speaking on ESPN's Sunday NFL Countdown, said that this indicates that there isn't much disagreement with McDaniels's decision even though the team is playing a game with playoff implications.

Should the Broncos make it to the postseason, Werder reports that there are no assurances that either Marshall or Scheffler would be back on the active roster.

[Jeritron]

WHY THE FUCK WAS WELKER PLAYING

[McLegend]

Looks like we are on the verge of another great Giants performance.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

God damn it

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Apparently Tom Brady has 3 broken ribs.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

dreamy and tough

what a combo

[RP]

he's got good balls

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>LOL it was Bernard Pollard again</font>

[Jeritron]

Brady's had the broken ribs for a few weeks now. I'm not sure why it's only being reported nationally today. I guess it was a "rumor" before

Doesn't suprise me. Guy plays through injuries left and right.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

GEE I DONT KNOW

It's not like the Pats have a reputation for hiding injuries

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Wes Welker will be questionable next week with leg soreness.

[RP]

GEE I DONT KNOW

It's not like the Pats have a reputation for hiding injuries

technically they dont hide injuries. They list Brady every week with Shoulder pain or something.

[RP]

I'm pretty pissed that i'm stuck with the Colts game right now. I mean, i'd love to see Curtis Painter ( BOILER UP! ) do really well, but i rather watch a meaningfull game. I'm really hyped to see this Jets game tonight.

[Jeritron]

If you're an NFL coach and you think anything less than serious injury is going to sideline Brady or Welker then you don't deserve to hold your job

[Droford]

Why the hell is Manning still in for the Colts?

I dont get it. You take him out of the game last week, why the hell is he playing this week? Now its just teasing fans and all with the fact that they probably could have gone undefeated easily had they gone the whole game last week.

Meanwhile the Saints are on their way to 3 straight losses and 1 and done in the playoffs.

[RP]

they're going for " individual stats ". It's great. I pray Polian gets fired, but it wont happen because him and Irsay suck eachothers nut sacks.

[Droford]

they're going for " individual stats ". It's great. I pray Polian gets fired, but it wont happen because him and Irsay suck eachothers nut sacks.

They should have thought about the stats last week.

I do know that Clark needs like 5 catches for the most all time by a TE but still..Id have to laugh if they went through the crap last week and then play manning this week and he gets hurt..

[RP]

There will be riots in Indianapolis. Guarantee you that.

[Jeritron]

Yea that's pretty awful. It's so transparent

[Supreme Olajuwon]

How is it awful?

[Emperor Smeat]

Why would the GM state that personal records are more important than team record or well-being after the mess of last week?

Was it him or someone else that said the goal was to have most wins in a decade and not the idea of an undefeated regular season. Now this week when you can actually rest players and people won't be too upset, they keep in players for personal records.

Any other team and the fans might want the GM gone since it could be the start of a lot of bad decisions.

[FearedSanctity]

Christ, Texans. Come on

[Savio]

they need to stop bitching about the colts not playing starters because everyone knows if manning got injured in the 3nd half against the jets they would all be singing a different tune

[Jeritron]

How is it awful?

Letting the perfect season go and then playing for stats in the final game?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Yes that

[Jeritron]

Well considering they were losing when they benched Peyton it's a little lame. You play for the superbowl, yes. That's the primary objective. Still, there's not guaruntee of getting that. I think letting something so rare go so easily is a bit awful. I hate to quote Shannon Sharpe on anything but I don't think a team should be afraid to be great.
Also, the fact that he's back in there playing to secure the MVP makes it all a bit more awful.

[DrA]

It becomes awful when a team like the Jets, who is on the bubble to make the playoffs, is playing the practice squad while other teams in that situation have to play real games to try and make the playoffs.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Meh, no reason to even watch the second half. Fitting end to the 2009 season.

2009:
-Mets injuries and stupid mistakes
-Giants injuries and losing a 5-0 start
-Not winning a single fantasy championship (football or baseball) for the first time since 2005

Thank God it's 2010</font> :o

[DrA]

Also you have to put things like point spread and whatnot into consideration. If I was the NFL I would be investigating to see if Polian threw that game last week.

[Gonzo]

If you would rather your team go 13-6 with a title over 19-0 with a title you are retarded.... since you didnt understand what I was saying you are retarded and need to get the fuck out

I already stated previously in this thread that if my team were able to go undefeated in the regular season and win a championship that's great. It's unlikely, and I'd rather the coaches do what they feel gives them the best chance to win the championship.

And what I'm saying is that going undefeated and winning the Superbowl on top of that doesn't happen very often, once in fact. The likelihood of that happening again is slim, given that now there are more teams and more games than in 1972.

[Jeritron]

Just saw the Buffalo field. It's a blizzard

[Gonzo]

Looks like we are on the verge of another great Giants performance.

Bah, they mailed it in already. That much is clear. The defense at this point is patchwork, and they've taken anyone out who is a remote injury risk (which I like to see.) I really don't think that the defense is playing with any sort of emotion at all because I think they don't want to play for Bill Sheridan (the DC.) The announcers calling the game said the same thing, although not in those words as they have to be judicial about it.

I really hope the Giants make the necessary changes because right now, their defense needs some serious work in the offseason. They need to find a stud MLB, a SS to replace Micheal Johnson, and a defensive coordinator that can call a game.

[Jeritron]

Also you have to put things like point spread and whatnot into consideration. If I was the NFL I would be investigating to see if Polian threw that game last week.

I would say they didn't want to lose the streak, but rather no-sell it so to speak.

[Jeritron]

Also, wish Tom Brady wasn't still playing either

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Well considering they were losing when they benched Peyton it's a little lame. You play for the superbowl, yes. That's the primary objective. Still, there's not guaruntee of getting that. I think letting something so rare go so easily is a bit awful. I hate to quote Shannon Sharpe on anything but I don't think a team should be afraid to be great.

But what benefit do you get from being the team that went undefeated? It's just a nice little story to go along with your Super Bowl trophy. That Dolphins team is just a punchline now. And nobody thinks they're the greatest team ever just because of their record. The 85 Bears would annihilate them. And no one thinks the Bears' title is tainted by that loss.


Also, the fact that he's back in there playing to secure the MVP makes it all a bit more awful.

Not any more awful than the Patriots running up the score for Brady

[DrA]

You could turn that argument around and say the same thing about the Super Bowl. "Yeah the 9-7 Detroit Lions won the Super Bowl, but they weren't the best team that year. It was a fluke that they beat the 16-0 Houston Texans, who proved that they were the best team that year during the regular season."

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Yeah, but the Lions would have a trophy and the Texans would have nothing.

[RatedGSuperstar]

So from the Colts' perspective...

Winning every game you play = pointless, no historical significance, not worth risking injury
Continuing Manning's consecutive games streak, making sure Wayne and Clark get 100 catches = important milestones, worth risking injury in a blizzard to accomplish

Yeah, that makes sense. :wtf:

[SammyG]

This is pathetic, this Rams-Niners game is the worst thing I have ever watched.

[Jeritron]

It all comes back to the Patriots. They kept their foot on the gas because they were still undefeated. Why would they stop scoring and take Brady out when they were undefeated?
They didn't lose the superbowl that year because of a lack of rest. They lost it because they got outplayed/had some misfortune on "any given sunday."

My whole issue with the Colts letting the streak go isn't that I care. I don't. I'm glad it happened because I'm a Patriots fan and they're our rival. I don't want to see them get that, or match what we've done.

I'm just pointing out that I think it's a fairly awful thing. You're right, an undefeated season isn't a superbowl trophy but failure to play for something like that shows a lack of drive I think. You can call it discipline, or you can call it being cowardly.

They didn't take him out with a lead, and based on what they're doing today they're not concerned about injuries. They were losing, and benched him. You don't for a second question that? If I were a fan of theirs I'd be a bit upset by it.

Also, is Peyton starting the second half in that blizzard in Buffalo? If he does that's unreal.

[Jeritron]

Supreme, I'm going to let you in on a secret about the trophy vs undefeated season thing.
It means something. I'm a Patriots fan. I've watched them win 3 superbowl trophies, and I saw them fail to complete their 19-0 perfect season. It sucked.

I'm not a player, but it sucked more than a normal loss for them too.

[Jeritron]

Would I trade 2 superbowl trophies for the 19-0 trophy....

[Supreme Olajuwon]

You're missing the point of the Brady comparison. The Patriots kept Brady in in the 4th quarter when they were up by 30+ points and they continued to throw the ball. "The fact that he's back in there playing to secure the MVP makes it all a bit more awful."

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Jeritron, what you are is a fan who's been spoiled by success. You've lost sight of the significance of the Lombardi Trophy.

[McLegend]

This could be an issue that divides the sports forum.

[Jeritron]

You're missing the point of the Brady comparison. The Patriots kept Brady in in the 4th quarter when they were up by 30+ points and they continued to throw the ball. "The fact that he's back in there playing to secure the MVP makes it all a bit more awful."


Yes, based on the fact that he was benched for "safety" reasons last week. I wouldn't have an issue with it had they kept him in last week, undefeated or not.
It's the fact that they were on the ropes, and pulled him out, and now he's back out there.
Way different than what went on with Brady. Brady was out there all the time throughout the whole season. They didn't put him on the bench when things got tough to lessen the choke, and then march him back out there in another, equally meaningless game in which injury was still a factor.

[Jeritron]

Jeritron, what you are is a fan who's been spoiled by success. You've lost sight of the significance of the Lombardi Trophy.

Well the 19-0 win would have been very special. I'm well aware of how great winning a superbowl was. I can remember the first in 2002, and although being spoiled, I still want to win them as much as the next fan every year regardless of record. So yes and no.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

We don't know what goes on in the Colts locker room, but I'm willing to bet the players saw how close each of the guys were to the milestones and said hey let's give it a shot.

[Jeritron]

The Patriots had a few close games during the end of the season. Had they pulled Brady in the second half it would have been absurd. People would have seen it for what it would be, damage control.
Also, because of Brady and The Patriots status they would have harped on it way more as a cowardly move than people are for this situation.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

The Patriots also had nothing to fear. If they didn't win the Super Bowl because of trying for 19-0, so what? They had all their trophies to fall back on. They're still considered one of the all time greats. Besides Pittsburgh, nobody else has that luxury right now.

[Jeritron]

We don't know what goes on in the Colts locker room, but I'm willing to bet the players saw how close each of the guys were to the milestones and said hey let's give it a shot.

And they didn't see how close they were to an undefeated season last week and say 'hey lets give it a shot'?

[Jeritron]

The Patriots also had nothing to fear. If they didn't win the Super Bowl because of trying for 19-0, so what? They had all their trophies to fall back on. They're still considered one of the all time greats. Besides Pittsburgh, nobody else has that luxury right now.

Fuck Pittsburgh

[Jeritron]

It sucks that I can't expect more out of my team and other teams without being considered spoiled. I get the same shit thrown at me when discussing baseball. Fans from cities that haven't won just despise it right away. True, I have been spoiled but it's not like I don't appreciate it. I remember the Pete Carroll days.
I just think all teams should want to be awesome, and 19-0 would have been just that. We missed out on it but went for it tooth and nail. Indy just mailed it in.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

OH NO THE PETE CARROLL DAYS! HOW DREADFUL

I remember the Dick LeBeau days. And the Bruce Coslet days. And the Dave Shula days.

[DrA]

No team has ever gone 19-0. The team that does could superficially say that they are the greatest team of all time. A 14-2 team wins the Super Bowl every year. No one is going to really remember this Super Bowl victory if the Colts win it this year, which I don't think they are now. Everyone knows the 49ers won Super Bowls in the 1980's, but people can't specifically tell you what years they did it or who they played. It becomes more of a collective acknowledgement at that point. With the Colts, people could have said "Yeah, the Colts won two Super Bowl in that time period. That first time they beat the Panthers or some team. I don't really remember because that was a pretty shitty year in football. That second year they defeated the Dallas Cowboys in a 28-27 overtime thriller. I remember that year like it was yesterday. The New Orleans Saints actually had a chance to be undefeated that year as well, but they lost to the Dallas Cowboys in a 28-27 overtime thriller in week 15. The Colts, however, went 16-0 and kept on winning in the playoffs. I will never forget this team: The first and only team in NFL history to go 19-0."

[DrA]

Actually by that time there will be about 38 regular season games and no one will give a shit about an undefeated 19-0 team.

[Hanso Amore]

This was another wasted pathetic Bills season, but goddamn it I love Fred Jackson and he played his heart out this year.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

28-27 overtime thriller eh?

love to see the box score on that one

[Jeritron]

See that's the thing. It's just a constant guilt trip. Apparently Boston sports fans should feel bad for winning and expecting their team to win. We're spoiled. Any and all opinions stated won't be taken seriously, because the bitter fan will always just throw at you the "fuck you you win all the time" mentality. Apparently we should strive to have never won anything so we can fall back on that.
Sometimes it's as if theres a contest to see who deserves the most sympathy from the winners

Patriots never won a Superbowl til 2002, so it's not like they were never part of the club.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

No one says you should feel bad for winning. In fact, the only thing I said was you shouldn't hold other teams to the same expectations because they haven't had the same success as yours.

[Jeritron]

Not sure what you mean really. They should be held to those same expectations because they had a chance to surpass that success, and they didn't even go for it, let alone fail. It's Peyton Manning and The Colts. They're the closest to the Patriots that there is this decade.

[RatedGSuperstar]

I'm going to laugh if the Colts and Saints lose their first game in the playoffs. They've had no interest in winning a game for the past two weeks, and by the time they play again it'll be nearly a month since they tried to win a game.

I think what rubs a lot of people the wrong way about the Colts (and to a lesser extent, the Saints after they lost) is that they already have a bye week to rest their players. In a lot of people's eyes, the league is already giving them a free week to rest up, so why are they taking an extra two or three weeks?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

A Super Bowl trophy is nice for the Patriots but they've already won a bunch. They needed more excitement in their lives. Most franchises are just concerned about the Super Bowl. They don't need the extra frills and danger.

[Jeritron]

Also, the sarcastic view of the Patriots prior to their success was clearly a guilt trip about how the Bengals have been losing much longer and more painfully, and my reference to a time of poor play is less worthy

[Requiem]

Like a page late here, but whatever..

Manning has 191 (or more, not sure what the exact stat is if that's not it) consecutive starts. Why would he NOT start in the game? Doesn't have shit to do with what happened this season. It is just the way things things have gone every single season. And why would anyone even look at that as 'trying' to keep his streak going. Again, people are only giving a shit about these things because of what happened vs the Jets.

That's just what Manning has done, continuously, for a very long time. Get the fuck over it.

[Jeritron]

A Super Bowl trophy is nice for the Patriots but they've already won a bunch. They needed more excitement in their lives. Most franchises are just concerned about the Super Bowl. They don't need the extra frills and danger.

This is true, but The Colts aren't slouches either. Sure, they've only won one, but their decade has been filled with attempts to trump The Patriots. They're an amazing team that had the misfortune of being in the same era as a more amazing team.
I'm pretty sure the chance to succeed where the Patriots failed would have been more excitement in the lives of the Patriot-hating Colts fans that have already won a Superbowl, but haven't quite gotten over The Pats.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Also, the sarcastic view of the Patriots prior to their success was clearly a guilt trip about how the Bengals have been losing much longer and more painfully, and my reference to a time of poor play is less worthy


Yes, because you tried to justify your time as a fan of a bad NFL franchise by referencing a time when your team made the playoffs twice.

[Jeritron]

Like a page late here, but whatever..

Manning has 191 (or more, not sure what the exact stat is if that's not it) consecutive starts. Why would he NOT start in the game? Doesn't have shit to do with what happened this season. It is just the way things things have gone every single season. And why would anyone even look at that as 'trying' to keep his streak going. Again, people are only giving a shit about these things because of what happened vs the Jets.

That's just what Manning has done, continuously, for a very long time. Get the fuck over it.

Of course we're only talking about it because of what happened with The Jets. That's what we're discussing here...the prospect of an undefeated season in football.
What do you think we're doing? Just shooting the shit about the benching of a player under normal circumstances?

[Requiem]

And fucks sake, it's not like it took a ton of effort by Manning to start this game. You all act like it is hypocritical that he played, but it's not like he was out there busting his ass. And this game doesn't mean shit for the Bills or Colts. It is just 'there', pretty much. Neither team is really going to be playing their asses off. Bills probably knew they were going to win going into this game anyways, and were probably just waiting for Manning to sit.

Not that it matters, of course, because a win here doesn't mean anything for the Bills.

[Jeritron]

Yes, because you tried to justify your time as a fan of a bad NFL franchise by referencing a time when your team made the playoffs twice.

Yes, well I wasn't going to count Parcells because they made a Superbowl, and I wasn't alive much before that, but what I'm talking about is prior to Belichick The Patriots had just as many Lombardies as the Bengals.
What I mean is, I haven't forgotten what it felt like when Vinatieri hit that field goal. It's not like The Patriots have always been part of the legacy club. A Patriots fan can understand that more than a Steelers, Cowboys, or Packers fan our age.

[Jeritron]

Just a random note, life is likely going to suck again for a while after Brady retires. Unless they pull a new age Steve Young out of their ass, they're going to have the post-legend lull where it takes years to find a new QB to fill the role.

[DrA]

And this game doesn't mean shit for the Bills or Colts. It is just 'there', pretty much.

Tell that to the people who have bet their children's college money on this game, or those Colts players who have $75,000 put down on the Bills to beat the spread.

[Jeritron]

I'm pretty sure every game means something to the Bills fans. Seriously, those bastards had the worst kick in the ass ever back in the early 90s, and they live in BUFFALO to boot. It's their team, and they suck, but they still turn out and care.

[Jeritron]

Some day a knight in shining armor will come along and rescue every franchise. You just have to sit patiently and wait your turn:

http://static.thehollywoodgossip.com/images/gallery/tom-brady-celebrates.jpg

[Jeritron]

I'm just making sure everyone in this thread hates me before the hour ends

[FearedSanctity]

Some day a knight in shining armor will come along and rescue every franchise. You just have to sit patiently and wait your turn:

http://indianapolis-indiana.funcityfinder.com/files/2009/11/matt-schaub.jpg

[Supreme Olajuwon]

http://bostonist.com/attachments/austinist_kerry/tom-brady-stetson.jpg

[Supreme Olajuwon]

http://blacksportsonline.com/index/Tom%20Brady%20Original%20Stetson%20Ad2.jpg

[Supreme Olajuwon]

http://tweetgazette.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/598_tombrady.jpg

[Jeritron]

Isn't he a dreamboat?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

http://nothingfancy1.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/tombrady1.jpg

[Supreme Olajuwon]

http://www.kenn.com/the_blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/tombrady.jpg

[Jeritron]

http://pigskinlovinglady.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/tom-gisele.jpg

Get in there for the conversion Tommy!

[Crimson]

Some good games goin on. I'm liking the Steelers/Dolphins right now, Tyler thigpen lookin real good , he looked good with the Chiefs too before he got traded.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

http://www.pyromaniac.com/teams/images/cincinnati-bengals/carson-palmer-hot-dog.png

[Jeritron]

http://www.popcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Bridget-Moynahan-On-Tom-Gisele-Baby.bmp

[Jeritron]

http://nbcsportsmedia1.msnbc.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/051102/051102_bradymanning_hmed_10p.hmedium.jpg

[Emperor Smeat]

Just a random note, life is likely going to suck again for a while after Brady retires. Unless they pull a new age Steve Young out of their ass, they're going to have the post-legend lull where it takes years to find a new QB to fill the role.

The weird thing is the next quarterback doesn't have to be a big name or groomed person like Young was. Brady was one of those last pick a team does just for the sake of ending the draft or padding some depth but not really as a 1st or 2nd string player. Nobody really expected him to blossom the way he did or else he's not a late 6th Round pick.

[Jeritron]

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2007/writers/frank_deford/10/31/biggame/p1_brady_manning.jpg
Fuck outta my way second stringer