NFL 2007 Season Thread

[Skippord]

LOL, Tom Brady is going to sit in the pocket and have a field day with the Giants weak secondary, he's going to systematically pick them apart. This isn't some second year QB, or a 38 year old QB playing in -20 conditions, this is the best QB of our generation, and arguably ever. The giants might score some points, but there is no way they are stopping the offensive juggernaut that is the New England Patriots.
yes because the Giants defensive line doesn't ever get any sacks or pressure

[The Lone Wolf]

The Giants wont be able to win with their d-line alone like seemingly every giant fan believes they will. Plus they wont be able to stack the line anyway since they will have to drop into coverage to try their best to cover the pats wide recievers.

[OssMan]

Yeah ok guy

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I mean I don't think Brady is gonna sit there, but the majority of the Patriots offensive line is going to the Pro Bowl....

[Skippord]

the majority of the Patriots team should be going to the pro bowl

[Crimson]

Why couldn't Burress jus say "yea Pats will kill us 50-0, they are that damn good, we have no chance". And then of course fire up his team behind closed doors. And when has a Patriot ever predicted a win, it's always one of the other dummies.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Why not just say nothing? Why predict any type of score? You can still be entertaining without doing that garbage.

[Big Fat Mike]

Tom Brady is going to have a field day unless Lawrence Taylor , Carl Banks , and Pepper Johnson come out of retirement and gang rape him on sunday.

[Big Fat Mike]

Wouldn't put gang raping past LT for a second there, btw.

[Evil Vito]

Why couldn't Burress jus say "yea Pats will kill us 50-0, they are that damn good, we have no chance". And then of course fire up his team behind closed doors. And when has a Patriot ever predicted a win, it's always one of the other dummies.

<font color=goldenrod>Cause Belichick would probably bench anybody who did that.

I hate the fact that Burress guaranteed a win and predicted a score (tho tbh he even said he got his score from 23 being his HS or college number and 17 being his current number). It's gonna be much higher scoring than that.</font>

[RP]

I'm not totally sold the Patriots will win this game. I seriously think theres something to be said about that week 17 matchup being so close and the fact that New York has won 10 straight road games this year, including in Dallas and Green Bay in a Blizzard. And all my Manning love aside, lets be honest, Eli can dodge bullets right now. This guy is lights out. He's become the man. I also just get the feeling the football Gods are behind Tom Coughlin this year. After all the shit he's put up with coaching this team. All the shit he's had to deal with. You realise this guy practically battled the entire team to believe in him for like 3 years. And he finally won. Takes some real balls to hang in like Coughlin has with the Giants. Takes balls for Eli to step up like he has finally after all the critisim and the Tiki bs.

I think the Giants have a serious shot to win this. There secondary isnt horrible, just rather average. The LB'ers are pretty good and they have the best defensive line in the league.

This game comes down to two things to me. Can the Giants recievers keep from dropping passes and how many holding penaltys will we see called agains the Patriots. There O-line gets away with murder. I mean, most plays might be considered some sort of holding, but they've show replay during games of the Pats Oline literally tackling guys and no flags. There a great offensive line for sure. Probably the best, but seriously, some of the holding penalty's they've gotten away with were unbelievable. Like Troy Polamalu incomplete pass ruling, unbelievable.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

lol

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Not laughing because of you saying the Giants have a shot, I think they do, but the way they are going about it is hilarious.

I don't see how winning 10 straight road games gives them an advantage.....Patriots won 18 straight games....

[Gonzo]

I gotta agree with RP, I thought the Pats o-line got away with some shit the first time around.

[RP]

Not laughing because of you saying the Giants have a shot, I think they do, but the way they are going about it is hilarious.

I don't see how winning 10 straight road games gives them an advantage.....Patriots won 18 straight games....


The Patriots are the Patriots. Everyone expected them to be the best team and win the Superbowl even before they won there first game. No one expected the Giants to be as good as they are and for them to win 10 straight road games, including the ones in the playoffs is very very impressive.

[FakeLaser]

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G-MEN NUGGA!!!!!!!!!!!

[OssMan]

rofl dad brought back prop wagers from vegas, shit like "who will have more? Amani Toomer receiving yards or tiger woods fourth round score from the dubai classic"

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

The Patriots are the Patriots. Everyone expected them to be the best team and win the Superbowl even before they won there first game. No one expected the Giants to be as good as they are and for them to win 10 straight road games, including the ones in the playoffs is very very impressive.

This game comes down to two things to me. Can the Giants recievers keep from dropping passes and how many holding penaltys will we see called agains the Patriots. .
Well I was laughing at that too, since that really isn't what the game comes down to. Its the NFL, they could call holding on every play if they really wanted to. Sure you and Gonzo 'saw' it but you are also biased against the Pats/for the Giants. I mean I could sit here and watch any game and point out a bunch of holding penalties in any game. Maybe it was a little bit more than usual but I dunno, its been like a month since that game and this is the first time I've heard someone mention it.

I dunno, I would think the game would come down to the Patriots stopping the Giants rushing attack and the Giants being to able get the Patriots' offense off the field. That's just me though

[VonErichLives]

also keep in mind 3/5ths of the OL for the Pats didn't play against the Giants.

on a seperate issue... must be slow in polotics... Arlen Spector wants to investigate why godell ordered the spygate tape to be destroyed. :roll:

Kinda funny the NY Times run this story the friday before the super bowl...

on another side note... the Patriots applied for 2 trademarks.

"19-0" and "19-0 the perfect season".

They applied for it 3days before the AFC championship game, so the NY papers is using this as the "see, the Pats slipped up and made a prediction"

The Pats have been already going after unlicensed merchandise, and they got shutdown a sight www.19and0.org

this is nothing new... John Calapari trademarked "refuse to lose" and Pat Rilley owns the rights to "threepeat"

even funnier is in response the NY post trade markeked "18-1"

[Gonzo]

Well I was laughing at that too, since that really isn't what the game comes down to. Its the NFL, they could call holding on every play if they really wanted to. Sure you and Gonzo 'saw' it but you are also biased against the Pats/for the Giants. I mean I could sit here and watch any game and point out a bunch of holding penalties in any game. Maybe it was a little bit more than usual but I dunno, its been like a month since that game and this is the first time I've heard someone mention it.

I dunno, I would think the game would come down to the Patriots stopping the Giants rushing attack and the Giants being to able get the Patriots' offense off the field. That's just me though

Sure holding happens every game, no lie there. Giants could have gotten called on some stuff too I'm sure. I'm obviously rooting for the Giants but I'm not blind to the point where I'm blatantly biased towards everything. Its not even that someone gets away with one or two blatant penalties, its the fact the referees miss it and 9 times out of 10 they are within 10 feet with a perfect view.

[VonErichLives]

Dunno, most be home-town biased because I watch every play of every game and I don't see where they're holding more or less then anyone else.

That being said, for years the Broncos were always considered the best OL in the league and also the dirtiest, so I tend to think if an OL is playing very well, people assuming they are holding and clipping and such because they don't think it's possible for the OL to do that well w/o cheating.

on the other "story" Arlen Spector was quoted in an ESPN interview that he first questioned this before the Eagles game and didn't get any response.

Kinda funny, a Senator using his power to try and stong arm the NFL because he thinks maybe his favorite team got cheated...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3225539

[ClockShot]

Looks like Roger Goodell is in some trouble.

He's been summoned by the Senate to talk about why he destroyed the evidence in the Patriots spying incident.

[RP]

Its pretty lame that this senator waits until the night before the superbowl to do this. Obviously he has an agenda.

[VonErichLives]

Its pretty lame that this senator waits until the night before the superbowl to do this. Obviously he has an agenda.

yeah, he says he sent his original letter in november (right before the philly game) wanting to know if what happened would have an effect on the game and if it had an effect on the superbowl pats vs. eagles and never got a response, the NFL claims they "just got his letters now".

I love Godells response today

The reason I destroyed the tapes is they were totally consistent with what the team told me," Goodell said during his State of the NFL speech. "It was the appropriate thing to do and I think it sent a message.

"The actual effectiveness of taping and taking of signals from opponents - it is something done widely in many sports. I think it probably had limited, if any effect, on the outcome of games.

"That doesn't change my perspectve on violating rules and the need to be punished."

"We wanted to take and destroy that information," he said. "They may have collected it within the rules, but we couldn't determine that. So we felt that it should be destroyed."

He made it clear he's convinced the Patriots have acted in good faith since the taping was discovered.

"I think it was the best way to make sure the Patriots followed my instructions, to make sure that bit of information would not appear anywhere again," he said. "If it did, I'd know they didn't hand me all the information. Not having those tapes out there, now I know if something arises, they didn't tell me the truth."

[VonErichLives]

on a note of more interest from the press confrence.

They're considering re-seading playoff teams, so a 10-6 wild card team would be at home and host a 9-7 division winner.

not sure how I feel about this one...

They're basiclly trying to do away with teams who have locked it up in a shitty division resting people, so all the games count...

dunno, I kinda think if you're 12-3 the last week, you earned the right to do whatever you want with your players.

[RP]

how are they gunna make the games count?

[VonErichLives]

how are they gunna make the games count?

thats what I couldn't quite figure out, I think he meant it makes it count for lower teams, but they're normally still going all out for a shot at the playoffs...

oh and just another Spector thing I just heard... to top it all off, one of his biggest contributers is comcast... so this isn't as much to do w/ the Eagles as it is the whole NFL network deal.

[VonErichLives]

So, apprently the NFL has in their copywright of games that you can not view them/show them on a screen bigger then 55 inches.

They send letters to a movie chain that was going to show the game for free on the big screen.

I understand wanting to control your product and all, but you think more viewers = more ad dollars...

[VonErichLives]

oh, and some giant backup thats been on IR most the year got arrested for DUI so the team sent him home...

[OssMan]

who

[VonErichLives]

Adrian Awasom

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/football/nfl/specials/playoffs/2007/02/01/awasom.giants.ap/

[OssMan]

Adrian Jawsome :(

[Crimson]

What's up with all this spygate shit again, jeez. Pats are winning in a blowout for sure now.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Now there's reports that the Patriots secretly taped the Rams' walkthrough the day before Super Bowl XXXVI.

I don't know why this is all coming out now but it seems to be a pretty solid argument for why we don't need the bye week before the Super Bowl.

[Gonzo]

Now there's reports that the Patriots secretly taped the Rams' walkthrough the day before Super Bowl XXXVI.

I don't know why this is all coming out now but it seems to be a pretty solid argument for why we don't need the bye week before the Super Bowl.

There is way too much shit to squeeze in within one weeks time. There would hardly be time to practice/gameplan with only a week.

[VonErichLives]

dunno, I always thought the hype was more about more time for the NFL to make it an "event" and any banged up players to heel...

I think most teams do fairly well with gameplans and time w/ only a week off like usual.


oh and this former Pats employee who claims to be the smoking gun and doesn't know why no one contacted him... this is my favorite part

Walsh said he is fearful of potential legal action against him by either the league or the Patriots if he details what he knows. He refused to provide evidence of potential wrongdoing unless ESPN agreed to pay his legal fees related to his involvement in the story, as well as to an indemnity that would cover any damages found against him in court. ESPN denied his requests.

If he's telling the truth he has no worries, if he's not and if he say has team property he stole, then yeah, it's an issue... anyway, I want to hear what he says.

As far as doing what the Pats did prior to this year, it wasn't a rule... so there is no issue there... cause again the issue was never the taping itself because every team does that and whatever else they can, the issue was where they were taping from which only became a rule this year.

On a side note, everyone blamed mangini for it, but it seems it was another staff member who was there back when Belicheck quit the Jets and still has bitter feelings, plus the Jets got caught by the Pats last year filming where they shouldn't be (by last years rules) and the Pats simply told him to move...

anyway, tomorows the game... if the Pats don't win, think anyone will still care about this crap?

It's funny how Spectors real targets doesn't seem to be the Patriots but the NFL... Guess you gotta keep your donaters happy.

[SammyG]

1 day left :)

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Andre Tippett

[Skippord]

Gary Zimmerman

[RP]

all this shit coming out about the Patriots could have come out 2months ago or after the Superbowl. I actually think it sucks alot more for the Giants lol. COMON ELI YOU CAN DO IT!

[RP]

I've been more about Eli this whole playoffs then i have been about Peyton. I just realised that. I'm really really rooting fro Eli to win this. I think it'd be so damn cool to have brothers win back to back Superbowls. Plus Archie Manning's sperm is probably the most expensive sperm on the market right about now.

[VonErichLives]

Tippett in the hall, about time!

I'm ok with people who pick the Giants to win w/ reasons like, what they're pass rush could do, Polaxico moving around and taking advantage of the height miss match...

but then you have idiots like Dr. Z...

Why the Giants will win: The Giants will win via the following means: Kawika Mitchell fumble return for 36 yards for a TD, the ball being fumbled by Randy Moss. Lawrence Tynes field goal of 34 yards. Eli Manning pass to Amani Toomer for eight yards and TD. Ahmad Bradshaw eight yards off LT for TD. Extra point successful on each TD but not on the field goal because they don't kick twice. New England will score on Kevin Faulk TD of three yards, followed by an extra point blocked by Justin Tuck, then Laurence Maroney run of six yards for another TD, then Tom Brady pass to Kyle Brady (first double Brady TD in Super Bowl history), each score followed by successful perversion, uh, conversion. The N.Y. defense will hold the Patriots' offense to six points in first half, which will end 6-0 in favor of the aforementioned team, Giants will follow with scores against aging, tiring, depressed and despondent New England defense. Patriots will get two late scores to make the final score respectable and thus end up with the ultimate score which means 20.

I remember years ago when he seemed like he had 1/2 a clue... but the last fews years he's just an scenile old man.

Damon Hack also cnnsi had this to say, which while I don't agree the Giants will win at least makes some sense.

Why the Giants will win: The Giants will win because no team has played better football in the last month. Eli Manning is suddenly a mistake-free quarterback, the Giants are running the ball with force, and the defense is creating pressure and turnovers. Something about Tom Brady's ankle makes me nervous. The Giants gained a lot of confidence with their Week 17 performance against New England, even in defeat. This time, they will shock the world.

The Giants have been hot and Eli has been mistake free the last month, that being said, 2 weeks kills momentum, and the Pats are riding the longest single season win streak in NFL history, the last game looked ugly but they won and they rarely have 2 bad games back to back.

I hate to predict it, but I think it's a blow out in the end... could it be close, sure... anything is possible, but a blow out would shock me much less then a 3point game.

[VonErichLives]

oh and to add to RP, if Eli does win, and gets MVP I'd kinda like to see a giants/colts super bowl next year.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Yeah the fact that the Pats spying shit comes out now is what really pisses me off...and apparently, it was a Boston reporter who first brought it up. Almost seems like they purposely waited till now so they can further rile up the Pats.

Regardless...the way I see it is, both teams should be riled up 100% anyway. Its the Super Bowl, if you aren't completely riled up just by it being the Super Bowl, you shouldn't be out there, IMO.

I never thought the Giants would make it this far...so no matter what happens, its been an amazing year. But I do believe they can win it. Like 6 hours of hype to go...I can't wait for this game to start.</font>

[Crimson]

oh and to add to RP, if Eli does win, and gets MVP I'd kinda like to see a giants/colts super bowl next year.

No..no you wouldn't.

Pats 38 Giants 20

[RP]

oh and to add to RP, if Eli does win, and gets MVP I'd kinda like to see a giants/colts super bowl next year.

If that happend, the Mannings would officially be bigger then The Beatles.

[VonErichLives]

<font color=goldenrod>Yeah the fact that the Pats spying shit comes out now is what really pisses me off...and apparently, it was a Boston reporter who first brought it up. Almost seems like they purposely waited till now so they can further rile up the Pats.
</font>

1) I don't think a Boston reporter had anything to do w/ Arlen Spector

2) if you lived here you'd understand the reports do nothing for the bennefits of the team, sure like most towns people root for their home town teams, but they'd give their arm (or some other part they care about) to break a huge story and especially where Belicheck has run the same "code of silence" with the media Parcelss did, the difference being Parcelss would joke around and give them nibble if it helped parcels, beliceck doesnt and most the sports media here hates him because he makes their job difficult.

If that happend, the Mannings would officially be bigger then The Beatles.

only if they got matching beatles hair doos...

imagine the hype for the DSLL? (or whatever that double stuff thing was).

[Gonzo]

I'm not predicting the Giants are gonna win here but I can't see them getting blown out. I understand the Pats are real good, but they're still human.

[OssMan]

2 hours and 30 minuets omggggggggg

[Team Sheep]

Patriots to win by 8. Will be highscoring. Can't wait.

[RP]

I'm not predicting the Giants are gonna win here but I can't see them getting blown out. I understand the Pats are real good, but they're still human.

OK well.. i'm picking the Giants. Eli will lead a last minute drive. Tynes will kick a 27 yarder to win it. Eli Is the best Manning in the family for the next year.

[The Gold Standard]

I am so excited. Only a few hours away.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Oh man, this game needs to get here now. I'm sick of all the hype and all the talk.

Like Osi's shirt says: Talk is Cheap, Play the Game</font>

[Y2Ant]

TOUCHDOWN TOMMY

[RP]

This game is not on the NFL network is it?

[Hanso Amore]

No super bowl thread?

[RP]

If the Giants win, the headline in Boston newspapers should read " What the Tuck? "

[D Mac]

Very uneventful first half.

[Gonzo]

I just got on ESPN radio and talked about my prediction for unsung hero of the Superbowl. Pretty sick, didn't think I would get through. I said Justin Tuck. :cool:

[RP]

the unsung hero right now is this Tom Petty concert

[Crimson]

Yeaaaa..cheaters never win!! buahahaha

[D Mac]

Wow they did it.

[Crimson]

What a season for the Giants..wow.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Wow fuck

[Vastardikai]

WTG Giants.

[Gonzo]

WOOO MOTHA FUCKIN HOO BABY

[Crimson]

Kevin Boss gets snubbed for the MVP

[RP]

Kevin Boss gets snubbed for the MVP

Are you serious?

Did you not see Eli out there? That was a no brainer.

[owenbrown]

How long before ESPN and FOX start sucking the dick of the '72 Miami Dolphins? :nono:

Good game, though...didn't think this would be a low scoring game

[Crimson]

Are you serious?

Did you not see Eli out there? That was a no brainer.


I realise that

[Dragon]

Incredible

Eli getting out of that sack and getting that throw for a completion was ridiculous

[Fenix122]

That was a great game. Tyree's catch was unbelievable

[#1-norm-fan]

How long before ESPN and FOX start sucking the dick of the '72 Miami Dolphins? :nono:

Good game, though...didn't think this would be a low scoring game

About 5 minutes after the game ended, I flipped over to ESPN and rather than discussing the game itself, they were interviewing Bob Griese followed by Mercury Morris. So... about 5 minutes.

[RP]

"He said we were only scoring 17 points? Alright" - Tom Brady

[RP]

Hobbs got murdered on that TD to Burress.

[SammyG]

GIANTS GIANTS YESSS

[owenbrown]

About 5 minutes after the game ended, I flipped over to ESPN and rather than discussing the game itself, they were interviewing Bob Griese followed by Mercury Morris. So... about 5 minutes.

Wow, THERE'S a shocker!!!.... surprised they didn't discuss them sooner. :shifty:

[Dragon]

Yeah, Tyree catching that ball was pretty crazy too

[Zen v.W.o.]

The Giants are just too fuckin good.

[MVP]

Yeaaaa..cheaters never win!! buahahaha

Shut the fuck up

[RP]

Shut the fuck up

lol

[OssMan]

My team won the superbowl.

MY TEAM WON THE SUPERBOWL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[OssMan]

I don't really mind who wins the Superbowl out of all of the remaining teams just as long as it isn't the gay ass Giants.
FUCK YOU

[Vastardikai]

Incredible

Eli getting out of that sack and getting that throw for a completion was ridiculous

That play will be on highlight reels for YEARS to come.

It needs a sweet name like Bradshaw's "Immaculate Reception," though.

[El Fangel]

\m/

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>GIANTS > YOUR FAVORITE TEAM</font>

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Holy shit, what a fucking game. I thought I was gonna have a heart attack.</font>

[Nervous Ferret]

I have successfully gotten about 75 people going on the Threeli Manning name :love:

Don't mind the Giants team winning, especially sans Shockey, it's just the gay ass giants fans that are gunna perturb the heck out of me this week. Total lose/lose game. ROFL @ Peyton being all alone in the press box though, freakin funny

[Nervous Ferret]

freaking pumped though for next season because the loser of the Superbowl always blowsssssssssssss the next year. Jetsssssssssssssssssssssss in '09

[Nervous Ferret]

Seriously got sick before the game knowing that I would either have to watch Brady hoist that gayyyyy trophy again or listen to Frank Havlan go nuts all week. Not out of vomit contest though

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

<font color=goldenrod>GIANTS > YOUR FAVORITE TEAM</font>

Welp that one blew up in my face

[Heyman]

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f65/oldtrusty/govtmule.jpg

p.s. Imonlykiddingaround.

In all seriousness man - You and other Pat fans have nothing to be ashamed of. Great game, and great storybook ending.

[Evil Vito]

http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/4716/tdburressfy6.gif

[OssMan]

I'm never getting over this

[Ninti the Mad]

Every team I have rooted for has lost.

I am discounting the wildcard because I dont watch the wildcard games (unless the Cowboys were playing obv.).

I went for Dallas... lost.
I went for Seattle... lost.
I went for Colts... lost.
I went for Jacksonville... lost.
I went for Chargers... lost.
I went for Green Bay... lost.

And its funny because now I am rooting for the Patriots because I dont want the Giants to win.



Damn, I am good.

Im glad the Pats lost haha

[SammyG]

This is the beggining of the end of the Pats. Everything gonna go to shit now for them. Amazing. That's what you get for cheating in the Superbowl against the Rams, you bitches.

[The Gold Standard]

I am so excited about this victory. GO GIANTS

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Lost out on some £££ but I really don't mind because that was a GREAT game, best Superbowl in at least 7-8 years. No it wasn't high scoring but it was a fantastic back and forth all game long between two VERY well-coached teams. I fully expect Spagnuolo to leave but if he doesn't look out because that D is pretty young in some key positions and they could be even stronger next year.

Great credit to Eli, he came close to coughing it up a couple times but he hung in there and came through in the clutch. You can't really put the INT on him cause Smith just bobbled it right up to Hobbs. I understand the MVP because of the winning drive but man that D-line deserves all the credit in the world, unreal. Pats didn't even play that badly, they just got bottled up for like 9/10ths of the game.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Eli's Escape

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I'm sure there's better ones out there somewhere but whatever

[VonErichLives]

This is the beggining of the end of the Pats. Everything gonna go to shit now for them. Amazing. That's what you get for cheating in the Superbowl against the Rams, you bitches.

Oh yeah, because the team is sooooo old and all the young players are leaving... :roll:

They'll still win the Division next year and compete for a 1st round bye.

As for the Rams thing, one there is no proof yet, heck this guy who claims it wants legal money to talk to anyone and no one (espn, cnnsi) will give it to him which probably means he's full of shit.

and if he isn't as a player said the other day "If they video taped us walking through the first 3-4 plays that we might do and that's the reason they beat us, then thats on us"

I did like how spector again called for Godell and he responded "Well, I'll be busy w/ the pro bowl, but after that I'll accomidate him".

[Mr. Monday Morning]

http://www.globalgiants.com/archives/fotos2/CITIZEN-WATCH-AD-0507.jpg

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>It's gonna be fucking hard to ever top this week in sports for me.

The Giants win the Super Bowl in simply amazing fashion...and now on Wednesday Johan Santana will be presented his Mets uniform.</font> :love:

[Mr. Monday Morning]

http://dailynorseman.com/images/admin/loltiki.jpg

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>A few months ago when giving blood they were handing out free Pats shirts. I realized this past weekend that I still had it...and I wasn't sure what to do with it - burn it, use it as a doormat, wipe my ass with it, etc.

Instead, I kept it intact - and now that the game is over I grabbed a marker and wrote "18-1" on it in huge letters on the front and back and crossed out the Pats logo. I also attached a few images of a camera and wrote "CHOKERS" on it. I am at school now wearing the shirt along with my Giants cap.

Did it just to get a rise out of my huge Pats fan friend...who totally woulda rubbed my face in it had the Pats won. Suffice to say it worked, along with pissing off all the other Pats fans here. The Giants fans love it tho. :cool: This is the first time one of my teams has won a title when I could understand what was going on (I was only 2 in 1990), I'm gonna live it up while I can.</font>

[Loose Cannon]

Man, I'll tell you what. Personally, the greatest superbowl ever for me. With everything behind it (Boston/NY, Perfect Season) it just was awesome. I was cusing up a storm and then I was on cloud 9. How ELI managed to scramble out of that Blilz I'll never know. It was a miracle. And then the catch. holy shit. It feels really good right now knowing New York stopped the perfect season. 18 and dead bitches

[VonErichLives]

Vito - live it up, your earned it and ya never know if/when you'll get back.

LC - that play was amazing, Eli has put himself up with the top NFL qb's after this run.

I hope Spagz doesn't leave, cause that defense was sick, and I would think after another good season next year he'll get a better job then washington.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

lol totally forgot about Tiki Barber

[MVP]

I guess I've recovered from watching the Pats crumble in the last minute of the game. Hell of a game for Eli and Giants D especially. Brady played well too, but the O-Line struggled terribly against the blitz. It's too bad that most people will remember this as the game that the Pats choked instead of the game that the Giants beat the heavy favorites.

[SammyG]

LOL that Tiki pic.

[Ninti the Mad]

Every O-line struggled in the playoffs against the Giants.

It would be funny if a story broke out about them being injected with "enhancers".

[FakeLaser]

lol, fuck Tiki

[Innovator]

Parade tomorrow

[Innovator]

The Tiki Barber Theory > The Patrick Ewing Theory

[RP]

Halfback Brandon Jacobs, whose running style is about as subtle as an Angus Young guitar riff, put it even more bluntly: "Most definitely, other teams gave the Patriots too much respect. Our attitude was, '(Expletive) them (expletives). We're gonna beat these (expletives).'"


lol

[Dragon]

There was one run where Jacobs pretty much just walked all over Bruschi. Pretty great.

Also, its nice to finally have another parade down the canyon of heroes. The last one was the 2000 Yankees. Now all thats needed is for the Yankees to get that next ring and this will be the greatest year ever.

Tom Petty was pretty amazing too. Didn't seem too flashy or anything, just played some good songs.

[RP]

lol they kept showing him running over Bruschi all night like in there edited videos and shit. lol

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

He plowed over Meriweather too, Meriweather has a history of that though dating back to college.....he also now has a history of dropping game ending interceptions in the 4th quarter :|

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I thought Samuel had that 4th quarter drop?</font>

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

They both did

[FakeLaser]

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[Kris P Lettus]

Eli looked great other than that one INT.. David Tyree OMG that scramble and catch..

Giants D looked awesome..

Proud of Eli..

p.s. I watched the game at my buddy's house who graduated from Ole Miss.. Right after the game I was like "I wonder what Jason White is doing right now?? Hotty Toddy!!"

(Jason White was a shitty QB from OU with two bionic knees who won the Heisman over Eli)

[Loose Cannon]

oh and everytime they showed Payton clutching his fists and marking out when ELI made a play, it made me mark out. he was feeling what all the Giants supporters were. it was great

[Loose Cannon]

THAT INT wasn't even ELI's fault though I think. Smith (I think that's who it was) just dropped it

[RP]

oh and everytime they showed Payton clutching his fists and marking out when ELI made a play, it made me mark out. he was feeling what all the Giants supporters were. it was great

I think its safe to say Peyton gave Eli the Priceless Peptalk before the game.

[RP]

When Eli did " The Scramble " and Tyree made " The Snag " and they show Peyton, pumping his fist and screaming, that was awesome.

[FakeLaser]

THAT INT wasn't even ELI's fault though I think. Smith (I think that's who it was) just dropped it
Yeah, Smith fucked that one up big time.

[Kris P Lettus]

Yeah, I'm just saying stat-wise it's Eli's INT.. Prolly more than 50% of int's are off tipped balls but still count against the QB reguardless..

[Heyman]

Eli's Escape

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I'm sure there's better ones out there somewhere but whatever


Eli's escape was awesome, but that catch was pretty friggin amazing as well.

[#1-norm-fan]

http://www.amazon.com/19-0-Historic-Championship-Englands-Unbeatable/dp/1600781500

:lol:

Guess we'll never get to read this one...

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Eli's escape was awesome, but that catch was pretty friggin amazing as well.

Oh, no doubt. 'The Catch' is already taken though ;)

[Mr. Monday Morning]

I think its safe to say Peyton gave Eli the Priceless Peptalk before the game.

<a href="http://www.priceless.com/us/personal/en/extras/peptalks/index.html?videoname=ftball_eli&name=Eli&email=kirk3_16@hotmail.com&redirect=email&GP=EMCPeyton04">Probably not like this</a>

(I think that should work :$)

[SammyG]

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[Gonzo]

Its a celebration bitches. :cool:

[Gonzo]

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[Y2Ant]

the unsung hero right now is this Tom Petty concert

Gotta agree there

[Y2Ant]

FUCK YOU

I bet you finish 4th in the NFC East next season and Tony Romo will win Superbowl MVP :cool:

I'm not really that bothered about the Giants, it was two teams i'm not that fond of to be honest, but I like Eli and it was nice to see him win. And Plaxico had a pretty awesome season too so yeah. And I do admit it was pretty hilarious to see the Patriots go 18-1. :rofl:

[Y2Ant]

http://dailynorseman.com/images/admin/loltiki.jpg

rofllllll

[UmbrellaCorporation]

^


LOL @ Tiki picture

[Team Sheep]

Amazing game. I jumped out of myseat literally when he made that catch. Unreal. Buck and Aikman could have been more emotional though!! Al Michaels would have given that play a classic line to go with it. But whatever, never seen such a gutsy defensive performance.

[Londoner]

Even as a former hater of NFL, i can appreciate that catch, and how great the match was. Btw love the 'we are the champions' song in this thread. lol, wondered wtf was going on for a sec! Although i hate how the commentators said 'world champions' its only american teams, duh!!!

[VonErichLives]

Although i hate how the commentators said 'world champions' its only american teams, duh!!!

in a few years you'll have the Toronto Bills.

[Londoner]

Still hardly 'world' though is it? English football is far more worldly than american football. And actually have a world cup, where it makes sense to call them world champions.

[Hanso Amore]

in a few years you'll have the Toronto Bills.

Never. if they move Buffalo, it will be somwhere else. Not enough money in Toronto to move to, but just enough to try to expand the Buffalo Region.

[Hanso Amore]

Well, go ahead and field another Football team to take on America and we can name a world champ.

I think it is fine. let them be World Champs, its a given we would win, we are the only ones that play it.

[Y2Ant]

It makes about as much sense as calling the sport football in the first place, since kicking and punting is such a minor part of the game.

It's annoying, but I live with it.

[Londoner]

Yeah y2ant i agree, theres only a couple of parts in the game where they fucking kick it. Someone suggest what else it should be called. us english should call it soccer, just to take the piss.

[Gonzo]

Splitting hairs really. I think the 'World Champion' moniker is justified since football isn't played anywhere else on the globe. The best talent in the world is in North America (primarily the United States.) Of the 120 or so division 1 college football teams, all the best talent makes its way to the NFL. The best of the best are in the NFL. I would wager anyone that anybody else in the world couldn't field a team to beat the NFL's best, given unlimited resources to do so.

[Londoner]

I would wager anyone that anybody else in the world couldn't field a team to beat the NFL's best, given unlimited resources to do so.

And thats the point. Its only played in america, the definition of world champs to me means you've competed against other countries around the world. But thats just me being logical.

[Gonzo]

And thats the point. Its only played in america, the definition of world champs to me means you've competed against other countries around the world. But thats just me being logical.

You're raising a logical point, I agree. Until an international team is fielded and competes, then its open for contention. Thats just my take though. Thats why I think its more logical to call them Superbowl Champions, or World Series Champions, or NBA Champions or Stanley Cup Champions etc. Avoid the whole discussion altogether.

[Londoner]

Yeah, thats what i would do to. Superbowl champs sounds right.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Not only did the Patriots lose, now there is no meaningful football until September......................god damn it

[Gonzo]

Draft man. April. Love the fucking draft. I'm especially more excited since we had some damn significant contributions from all our rookies minus 1, I believe. I think Jerry Reese is going to turn out to be a hell of a GM.

[SammyG]

Time to pay more attention to the Celts.

[SammyG]

Rams, 2nd pick woooo

[Londoner]

Can someone explain to me what happens in the draft/what the rules are?

[Gonzo]

Time to pay more attention to the Celts.

If they can pull off a championship this would be a hell of a year. Mets got Santana too, so thats promising. Not into the NBA or the MLB as much as I am the NFL though.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Time to pay more attention to the Celts.
Don't get me wrong, I've always loved the Celtics but I am much bigger fan of the Patriots. It will be sick if the Celtics are able to go all the way and win it all, but I would much rather have it be the Pats.

[OssMan]

Can someone explain to me what happens in the draft/what the rules are?Teams pick players coming out of college...order is determined by overall record for the most part

[Crimson]

Ah yes..the draft. With the success that the pass rushing Giants had, do you think some teams will make it a priority for those pass rushers? I know there's a couple 1st rounders. I want Desean Jackson and Mendenhall to the Cowboys with those 2 1st rounders.

[OssMan]

Yeah every team is gonna have some sort of premier pass rusher pretty soon...just like almost every team is now using a 2 back system, while a few years ago it was all about one premier rusher.

[SammyG]

Don't get me wrong, I've always loved the Celtics but I am much bigger fan of the Patriots. It will be sick if the Celtics are able to go all the way and win it all, but I would much rather have it be the Pats.
Yeah, I understand. I think I'd rather have a Rams superbowl than a Lakers championship. Actually I dunno. Tough call.

[Reavant]

Ok ESPN is unwatchable now.... seriously Ive never seen so many grown men salivate to have one mans nuts in their mouth so bad. Like every single segment might as well be eli cumming on anyone of the analysts face and taking it in the ass simultaniously from strahan and tyree. I mean my god it is rediculous. Now Im no Pats fan (bills fan :|) but I got behind them because I figured that if they didnt win the superbowl then this whole season was a huge waste of my time. There are so many other teams Id rather see in there winning it, but they ran the table... I figured I might as well enjoy saying I saw a team go undefeated. FUCK!!! FUCK YOU PATS!!! And in case you were all wondering yes I hate the giants. The only thing worse than the giants winning would be if the cowboys made it and won. I might take a sledge to my TV

[OssMan]

Did your team win the superbowl?

[OssMan]

Yo one thing I am kinda pissed off and confused about is how the Patriots challenged and won that 12 men on the field call. I didn't think you were allowed to challenge penalties at all. It's not like you can go back and challenge that there was holding on a play

[Gonzo]

Yeah, I understand. I think I'd rather have a Rams superbowl than a Lakers championship. Actually I dunno. Tough call.

I think the reason I can't get into other pro sports leagues as much as I get into the NFL is because the championship is decided with 1 game. There are pros and cons to both formats (1 game, 7 game format) but its all or nothing, win or go home with 1 game.

[McLegend]

This is a terrible day. It was a lose lose for me.

[DaveBrawl]

Draft time...hmmm any overrated, drugged up psychopath running backs Coach Shanahan can waste a mid round pick on this year?

[McLegend]

O and Mercury Morris and 72 Dolphins are gonna be all over TV for at least the next 3.5 months

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yo one thing I am kinda pissed off and confused about is how the Patriots challenged and won that 12 men on the field call. I didn't think you were allowed to challenge penalties at all. It's not like you can go back and challenge that there was holding on a play

You are allowed to challenge certain penalties, especially when it is something as cut and dry as that. Pass interference, holding etc are all judgment calls within the game.

[Reavant]

O and Mercury Morris and 72 Dolphins are gonna be all over TV for at least the next 3.5 months


GOD MOTHERFUCKING DAMNIT!!!!! THATS ANOTHER REASON I WANTED THE PATS TO WIN

[Reavant]

Did your team win the superbowl?

:foc:

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Do not forget free agency. Not too many HUGE names but some guys will probably get cut. Asante Samuel, for one, is gonna be on the market. Maybe Moss too.

[RP]

I heard something about Stallworth being owed a big option or something so they may let him go.

[SammyG]

He's more than welcome in the STL.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I think Moss will be back, Stallworth will probably have to restructure his contract or he'll be gone I think. Samuel I'm unsure on but if I had to guess I'm seeing some other team throwing him a bunch of money, which the Patriots won't match.

[Innovator]

Some Patriots were inviting the Giants to their Post-Game Party before the game....:lol:

[Mr. Monday Morning]

I read that was happening DURING the game

[Innovator]

I read that was happening DURING the game
Even better, if it's true they all deserved to get STOMPED OUT, just like Strahan just said

[OssMan]

GET PAID

[VonErichLives]

I think there's a better chance of stallworth being back, after seeing what Moss did this year and how he handeled himself someone will give him top dollar and it will be tough for someone his age to turn it down.

Stallworth will get good offers but could be cheaper to keep and leaves money for Samuel.

[OssMan]

Fucking Spagnuolo better not be a dick and coach the Skins :mad:

[Y2Ant]

Do a lot of teams use 2 back systems now? Dallas is the first one that springs to mind with Barber and Jones, and I guess you could say we do too with Chester Taylor still getting a fair bit of the workload even when Peterson was healthy. And of course the Giants with Jacobs and Bradshaw.

Can't really think how many other teams do that off the top of my head :o

[Gonzo]

Most NFL teams have a respectable #2 that can spell the 'starter'. Its the way to go now a days.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Pats would have had a 2 back system if Sammy Morris didn't get hurt, well it would have been a 3 back system really since Kevin Faulk is a great receiving threat out of the backfield.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I think there's a good chance Spagnuolo stays because if he goes to the Redskins he won't be able to choose his assistants...head coaches don't want that.</font>

[Triple A]

lol @ "stomped out" and Strahan/Giants being dicks in general at the parade.

[VonErichLives]

i respect the giants... not strahan... this is a guy who toats a sack record favre gave him by falling down and waiting to be touched.

that and with all that money get your damn teeth fixed!

[Gonzo]

i respect the giants... not strahan... this is a guy who toats a sack record favre gave him by falling down and waiting to be touched.

that and with all that money get your damn teeth fixed!

Nobody can disagree the last sack was suspect, but you can't deny the rest of his season which was absolutely amazing.

[RP]

Last 2 Superbowl have been won with a 2 back system.

[SammyG]

lol @ "stomped out" and Strahan/Giants being dicks in general at the parade.
lol yeah

[OssMan]

lol @ "stomped out" and Strahan/Giants being dicks in general at the parade.
Ya srsly, who cares though. Giants are Superbowl champions

[MTH15]

Lol but they middle

[OssMan]

Lol but they middle

[RP]

what....

[Crimson]

lol

[Nervous Ferret]

Thomas Jones/LEON :(
Alexander/Morris pretty much

[Gonzo]

I can say with confidence that every NFL team has a serviceable #2 RB that can spell the starter. I'm not saying that the #2 guy is starter material, but its pretty much the standard to have 2 RB's in the NFL now-a-days. I couldn't tell you every teams #2, but they got one.

[SammyG]

Lol but they middle
:lol:

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Michael Strahan is in two of my all time favorite commercials.

BIG OOOOOL MICHAEL STRAHAN. HOW BOUT THEM COWBOYS

[OssMan]

strahan :love:

[MTH15]

Yea that was completely random

[SammyG]

Chris Berman> you.

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[RP]

omg i so love Chris Berman all of a sudden. And he's right too. And if i was Chris Berman when that shit happend, i'd totally be like Jeeeeeeeesus Christ.

My favorite part was " ducking under the cam.. WHAT THE FUCK THEY THINK I"M DOING! "

[SammyG]

lol that vid is so amazing.

[Evil Vito]

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[SammyG]

FUCK YOU BERMAN FOR INSULTING MY RAMS.

[SammyG]

LOL Horseshit, that was on live tv wasn't it.

[Gonzo]

Haha Berman seems like such an asshole off camera. Seems hilarious though.

[Crimson]

Reminds me of a mafia persona in the Sopranos or something.

[Skippord]

lol angry Berman

[Kris P Lettus]

I've seen actors freak out like 10 times that bad for fucking up their eye line.. And that was on film, not live tv like Berman was dealing with..

[Gonzo]

I've seen actors freak out like 10 times that bad for fucking up their eye line.. And that was on film, not live tv like Berman was dealing with..

I can imagine it being frustrating. Its just someone getting in the way of you doing your job.

[RP]

The Berman Blowup

[SammyG]

lollllllllllllll remember during the Superbowl when they showed the Bananas on the Pats sideline. lolololololololol

[VonErichLives]

espn released a statement defending berman and also made youtube pull the videos claiming copywright.

[SammyG]

That is pure bullshit

[VonErichLives]

That is pure bullshit

which part? and why?

[SammyG]

Them making people remove the vids from youtube. Too priceless to remove.

[OssMan]

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh174/Paul_Minton/Unknown-1.jpg

FU

[RP]

So the Patriots have illegally video taped opposing teams signals since 2000. These were Goodalls words. What a joke of a franchise.

[VonErichLives]

So the Patriots have illegally video taped opposing teams signals since 2000. These were Goodalls words. What a joke of a franchise.

and I'm sure you have a link to this, especially since there wasn't a rule against taping from the sidelines until 2007, so I find it difficult to believe anyone was guilty of breaking a rule that didn't exist...

oh and Goddell did offer Walsh the legal protection he (waslh) wanted and still Walsh hasn't come forward with anything...

[RP]

Not only do i have a link, but i'll paste in the thread.



Belichick has been taping since 2000, Goodell tells Specter

By LAURIE KELLMAN, Associated Press Writer
February 13, 2008
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Bill Belichick has been illegally taping opponents' defensive signals since he became the New England Patriots' coach in 2000, according to Sen. Arlen Specter, who said NFL commissioner Roger Goodell told him that during a meeting Wednesday.
"There was confirmation that there has been taping since 2000, when Coach Belichick took over," Specter said.

Specter said Goodell gave him that information during the 1-hour, 40-minute meeting, which was requested by Specter so the commissioner could explain his reasons for destroying the Spygate tapes and notes.

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"There were a great many questions answered by Commissioner Goodell," Specter, the senior Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, told reporters after the meeting. "I found a lot of questions unanswerable because of the tapes and notes had been destroyed."

Goodell said Belichick told him he believed the taping was legal; Goodell said he did not concur.

"He said that's always been his interpretation since he's been the head coach," the commissioner said. "We are going to agree to disagree on the facts."

Specter, from Pennsylvania, wants to talk to other league officials about what exactly was taped and which games may have been compromised.

"We have a right to have honest football games," he said.

Goodell noted that "we were the ones that disclosed" the Patriots' illegal taping of the New York Jets' defensive signals in Week 1 of last season. Further, Goodell said, they had an admission by Belichick.

"I have nothing to hide," Goodell said.

Goodell also told Specter that that he doesn't regret destroying the Spygate tapes or the notes.

"I think it was the right thing to do," Goodell said.

Still, Specter wants to know why penalties were imposed on Belichick before the full extent of the wrongdoing was known and the tapes destroyed in a two-week span. Asked if he thinks there was a coverup, Specter demurred.

"There was an enormous amount of haste," Specter said.

He scoffed at the reasons Goodell gave for destroying the tapes and notes, particularly about trying to keep them out of competitors' hands and because Belichick had admitted to the taping.

"What's that got to do with it? There's an admission of guilt, you preserve the evidence," Specter said. As for keeping the tapes out of the hands of others: "All you have to do is lock up the tapes."

Belichick was fined $500,000 and the team was fined $250,000 because of the Spygate incident. The Patriots also forfeited a first-round draft pick.

Specter has questioned the quality of the NFL's investigation into the matter and raised the possibility of congressional hearings if he wasn't satisfied with Goodell's answers. Specter also raised the threat of Congress canceling the league's antitrust exemption and reiterated that in the meeting with Goodell.

Goodell also said he has not heard from Matt Walsh, the former Patriots employee who performed some videotaping duties for the team.

Walsh told The Associated Press last week during the Pro Bowl in Hawaii that he couldn't talk about allegations that he taped a walkthrough practice by the St. Louis Rams before the 2002 Super Bowl. New England, a two-touchdown underdog, won that game 20-17.

Goodell said he has offered Walsh a deal whereby "he has to tell the truth and he has to return anything he took improperly" in return for indemnity. Specter said he, too, wanted to talk to Walsh and perhaps offer a different deal.

Goodell also said he reserves the right to reopen the investigation if more information is uncovered

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AkLl60uXMIa6Ox9dxXqky6FDubYF?slug=ap-goodell-specter&prov=ap&type=lgns


I suppose Goodall lied to a senator right?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I thought there wasn't a rule before '07? The senator seems to be implying that it was illegal, but did Goodell say that? While I do think it is fucked up and not really needed, since I don't think they gain much from it during the game (it would be pretty tough to go through the tape and line it up to the certain play during the game, then on top of that be able to see a defensive signal and call an offensive play after that) it is still pretty shady.

[VonErichLives]

not going to say Goodall lied, but I want to hear it from Goodalls mouth, not a Senator pissed off his team lost in the superbowl.

Stims is right, it wasn't a rule till the start of the 2007 season.

So, how does one break a rule that doesn't exist?

Also, had Belicheck been breaking a rule for 7yrs, I would expect a bigger penalty.

What I find even funnier about this is it's not illegal to tape the signals, it's where you tape them from.

Do the same thing from the press box and your fine...

That stuff isn't used during a game, now in the next meeting could be, but every NFL coach who spoke on TV said that if your a coach and you don't change your signals by the next time you meet a team you deserve not to win.

Jimmy Johnson said on TV that he used to have these tapes but never found them helpful and couldn't get anything from it.

whatever, teams/fans who are jealous of the Patriots success will dwell on this, no one else is going to care.

[Gonzo]

God this whole situation is a joke. I'm so sick of hearing about it.

[OssMan]

Giants win

[SammyG]

wooooo fuck the Pats.

Also, lock this thread. Season is over.

[RP]

not going to say Goodall lied, but I want to hear it from Goodalls mouth, not a Senator pissed off his team lost in the superbowl.



:lol:

remember that time you posted that news report that said someone overheard Bill Polian say he wanted Fluties leg to be broken? And you were so sure that it was credible and that i was wrong when i said it was bs .... Uh yaaaa






whatever, teams/fans who are jealous of the Patriots success will dwell on this, no one else is going to care.


Um I dont know if you know this or not, but this Patriots cheating scandal is a pretty big story. I think there alot more people who care about this then teams or fans, but ok.

[VonErichLives]

:lol:

remember that time you posted that news report that said someone overheard Bill Polian say he wanted Fluties leg to be broken? And you were so sure that it was credible and that i was wrong when i said it was bs .... Uh yaaaa



yep, and I also had multiple sources.... but as you said then it wasn't true so clearly that makes this the same...


Um I dont know if you know this or not, but this Patriots cheating scandal is a pretty big story. I think there alot more people who care about this then teams or fans, but ok.

yeah, well maybe if the Colts didn't get upset at home in the playoffs your sports papers would have something else to write about... elsewhere it's old news....

don't you guys have a car race or a rodeo coming up soon to fill your sports section?

[RP]

umm why would i need multiple sources... A Senator said Goodall told him this word for word. Are you retarded or something? Are you really telling everyone in this thread that the Commissioner of the NFL and a Senator are both lying?

BTW, theres really been nothing written in INdianapolis papers about this. If you go to , i dunno, ESPN.com, or Yahoo.com. There all hot on this story and there the ones reporting it like crazy, because its a big deal.

VEL you've really fallen hard in this thread. You should just stop posting in it. The last 2 posts you've made have really shown your ignorance. Just go back and read your posts. Its pretty sad.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

What rule did the Patriots break though before '07? I thought it was only enforced this past season? I am a having a hard time understanding if Goodell said the tapes before 07 where illegal, or if the senator said that. Senator could have been mistaken on that part. It is still pretty shady regardless, but I don't think they technically broke any rules before the Jets game. It's not like I was the one calling the shots. I get that I am a fan, but I'm not blindly associated to them or something - members of the Patriots probably wouldn't piss on me if I was on fire. I think a lot of people don't understand that but whatever. The tapes are pretty stupid anyway, because I don't think they were taping after the Jets yet they won 17 games in a row after that...(God damn Giants :( )

This argument between you two is pretty hilarious though

[RP]

I dont know what rule. But Goodall says it was illegal taping. Thats all i know. The whole point is that VEL likes to posts shit and ask me what i think about it in such a smug, ostentatious manner. So i decided to do the same and watch him go full Roger Clemens mode in this thread.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

So Goodell said it was illegal before 2007? Then why not penalize them for it? I don't get it. Are you sure he just didn't say they have been taping since '01 or whenever it was, I don't see how taping was illegal before 2007 when there wasn't really a rule in place (at least I thought there was no rule in place?)

[RP]

dude i posted the link in the thread. It states pretty clear what was said in the first paragraph. fuck

[VonErichLives]

come-on RP, I can feel one of your classic spazz-outs building...

your the one who always claims these things are made up such as the polian thing, so if you're not going to believe hearsay in one case why would you believe it in the other?

But it's ok, I'm used to you being Hypocritical so it's nothing new for you.

You posted a quote from the senator, I've yet to see anything from Goodall saying they cheated since 2000........

they didn't, there wasn't a rule, the Senator is a fan upset his team lost and trying to get some press for himself... no big deal.

I know, it's huge news... so big it's not even on ESPN.com main page...

Seriously RP, you can harp on this all you want, it doesn't change the fact your Colts lost at home to the Charges, you didn't make the Super Bowl, you didn't make the AFC Championship game, you lost at home "your house" to the Patriots and there was no taping going on.

so, just keep this to make you feel good all offseason while you think of your excuseses for your team gets upset again next year.

and Stima - there's no argument, there was no rule plain and simple.

[VonErichLives]

Giants win

lock this thread. Season is over.

[RP]

VEL

Read this pls

"Bill Belichick has been illegally taping opponents' defensive signals since he became the New England Patriots' coach in 2000, according to Sen. Arlen Specter, who said NFL commissioner Roger Goodell told him that during a meeting Wednesday.
"There was confirmation that there has been taping since 2000, when Coach Belichick took over," Specter said.

Specter said Goodell gave him that information during the 1-hour, 40-minute meeting, which was requested by Specter so the commissioner could explain his reasons for destroying the Spygate tapes and notes. "




OK now that i assume you read that. I'd just like to confirm that you're infact on record as saying that Senator Arlen Spector is publicly lying about his 1 hour and 40 minute meeting with Roger Goodall, because he's an upset fan. I'd just like you to confirm yes or no please.

[RP]

Seriously RP, you can harp on this all you want, it doesn't change the fact your Colts lost at home to the Charges, you didn't make the Super Bowl, you didn't make the AFC Championship game, you lost at home "your house" to the Patriots and there was no taping going on.

so, just keep this to make you feel good all offseason while you think of your excuseses for your team gets upset again next year.




The irony of Patriots fan telling a Colts fan about losing or being upset in the playoffs. :lol: Whens the last time the Pats won a Superbowl again?

[VonErichLives]

Giants win

lock this thread. Season is over.

[SammyG]

VEL, RP has a LEGIT point. Answer that, you cheating bastard.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I dunno, I still think there is some grey area inregards to exactly what Goodell told Specter. How could the taping be illegal before this season? I didn't think there was rule...Goodell could have just told Specter said that the Patriots have tapes dating back to 2000, which Specter assumes are illegal. I think that is a totally reasonable thing to think and that isn't calling Specter a liar. Unless I am completely mistaken and there was a rule before this, but I coulda sworn this only all came out this year because the NFL was really putting an emphasis on it?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

VEL, RP has a LEGIT point. Answer that, you cheating bastard.
Sammy you are an idiot about sports sometimes, what does VEL/any other Pats fan have to do with the Patriots breaking the rules? You get way too associated with your teams lol

[SammyG]

That is correct about you or VEL not being associated with the rule breaking. It just pisses me off about the Pats doing this bullshit. Especially after beating the Rams in the Superbowl.

[RP]

Righhhhhht

I didnt think you could answer that one. lol loser.


I know i know..Colts lost to the Charger right? Thats your answer to everything rofl. Forget your PW again and never come back.

[RP]

I think SAmmyG is one of the smartest sports fans here. Smarter then VEL atleast.

[SammyG]

Yeah, I don't understand VEL just saying that the reason RP is pissed is because of the Colts losing to the Chargers. It's not like he is the only one who has beef with the Pats right now, and is just saying this because of misery. Everyone hates the Pats and shares RP's and my thoughts basically.

[RP]

He says everytime he cant come up with anything else. Scroll through the past 10 pages. He's said it atleast 10 times when he knows he's losing an argument. I laugh irl.

[RP]

Willie Gary thinks this is a big deal

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AumNcdWixzaMTFHQjUnZzDg5nYcB?slug=ap-patrioitssued&prov=ap&type=lgns


P.s. Who's Willie Gary?

[RP]

I bet Ricky Bobby files a lawsuit next.

[VonErichLives]

That is correct about you or VEL not being associated with the rule breaking. It just pisses me off about the Pats doing this bullshit. Especially after beating the Rams in the Superbowl.

See, that's the point... your pissed because the Rams lost in the superbowl to the Pats.

The fact is, it wasn't a rule back then, the fact is every team does everything it can to get one up on their opponents, plenty of teams video tape (again, you can film exactly what the pats filmed as long as your in the press box). What they filmed wasn't illegal, it was the location of the camera person.

Heck, Jimmy Johnson admitted he had someone do the same taping but couldn't make much use of it. He even said he used to have people go through the trash of the visit teams coaches box.

The reality is, the Pats taping the defensive signals probably had little effect on the game vs the Rams, you would have to assume that the Pats figured out the signals (keep in mind most teams have 2 or 3 people who send them in to keep people guessing) and that the Rams used the same signals in the superbowl that they used in week #10, and then assume the Patriots figured out which person was giving the legit signals, got the info to Charlie which allowed him to call a play that would work against that defense before the clock expired. even if that was all true, it still doesn't explain why the "greatest show on turf" couldn't score enough points to win.

No, I'm not calling Spector a liar and you knew that, Stima explained it perfectly.

Of course a lot of people don't like the Patriots, a lot didn't like the yankees when they kept winning, etc... etc... when 1 team wins there are fans of every other team who wanted to win and when a team stays succesful people get tired of their team not winning.

But whatever makes you guys feel better about your losses.

personally, I just tip my hat to the Giants (same way I did the Colts last year) and say good job. I don't need to find reasons to make the losses feel better.

The Patriots broke a rule week #1, they were punished, it had no effect on the season. It wasn't a rule in 2001 so no rule was broken.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-steelers-spygate&prov=ap&type=lgns

Steelers say taping didn't affect outcome of games against Patriots
February 15, 2008

PITTSBURGH (AP) -- The New England Patriots' taping of opposing coaches' signals did not affect the outcome of games against the Steelers, including two AFC Championship games, Steelers chairman Dan Rooney said Friday.

"We consider the tapes of our coaching staff during our games against the New England Patriots to be a non-issue," Rooney said in a statement. "In our opinion, they had no impact on the results of those games."

Rooney's comments were fueled by remarks Thursday by U.S. Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., who has questioned whether the NFL has properly handled allegations that Patriots coach Bill Belichick had assistants videotape opponents' signals.

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NFL officials indicate the Patriots taped the Steelers' coaches during AFC Championship games at the end of the 2001 and 2004 seasons, and during regular-season games in 2002 and 2004, Specter said. The Steelers lost all but the 2004 regular-season game.

NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell fined Belichick $500,000 and the Patriots $250,000 and docked the team a first-round draft pick.

Specter has criticized Goodell for destroying the tapes after the league's internal investigation.

But Rooney said Goodell and the league took the "appropriate action" in punishing the Patriots.

"We are confident that the commissioner has taken appropriate action in his investigation of this matter, and will do so again if new information arises which requires further investigation and/or discipline," Rooney said.

on a funny side note to all this, the NFL had already printed up a ton of 19-0 stuff to have ready to sell, they donated it Nicaragua

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3247804