NFL Thread

[RP]

THRILLED!

[RP]

I like that the Patriots investigated themselves and found no wrong doing.

Its all good! NOTHING TO SEE HERE!

[Droford]

There's an article (http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/01/24/ravens-coach-john-harbaugh-sounds-like-man-pleading-for-forgiveness-over-deflategate/nomWQem0ynWFfq4RG27QHP/story.html?p1=Article_Related_Box_Article_More)on the Boston globe basically blaming all the deflategate crap on John Harbaugh for ratting them out to the Colts and Chuck Pagano who is still close with a lot of people in the Ravens organization. Of course they mentioned Ray Rice to for good measure.

In the public sphere, the Patriots have been the only team involved in the Deflategate controversy that tarnished their bye week as they prepare to face the Seahawks in Super Bowl XLIX. The Colts were an ancillary participant.

But inside the walls of Gillette Stadium and across the league, Harbaugh is viewed as the one responsible for starting this whole mess — casting a dark cloud above the league’s signature event, staining the reputations of Belichick and Tom Brady, and blowing the lid off another of the league’s dirty secrets about football doctoring.

It’s Harbaugh who supposedly concocted this scheme with good buddy Chuck Pagano, the Colts’ coach who was one of Harbaugh’s top defensive lieutenants for four years in Baltimore, after the Patriots pulled some trickery on the Ravens in the playoffs two weeks ago. Fox Sports’ Jay Glazer reported as much last week, and while there’s no concrete proof of this yet, that’s what the Patriots and many others across the league believe. Glazer also reported that the Ravens suspected something wrong with their kicking balls, although those stay in the officials’ possession from Saturday until literally right at kickoff.

This little tit-for-tat between the Ravens and Patriots escalated quickly. It began with Harbaugh accusing the Patriots of “deception” with their eligible-ineligible tactics in New England’s dramatic 35-31 comeback win in the divisional round Jan. 10.

A few feet down the hall at Gillette Stadium, Brady shot right back.

“Maybe those guys got to study the rule book and figure it out?” Brady said. “We obviously knew what we were doing.”

Harbaugh, supposedly, got his revenge a week later with his buddy Pagano. “Oh, so you want to talk about the rule book? Let’s check those footballs.”

You can imagine the Patriots’ reaction — let’s just say it was a word that starts with the letter “P” and rhymes with “missed.” Never mind that the Patriots may have been deliberately skirting the rules (although the NFL has not determined anything at this point). In NFL circles, ratting out the Patriots was the far bigger crime.

And Harbaugh, whose team hasn’t exactly been a beacon of morality and truth since Ray Rice punched his fiancé in February, has the gall to act smugly about the Patriots?

[Crimson]

Is the author a Pats fan? Of course Harbaugh should act "smugly" , that's his enemy.

[owenbrown]

so Harbaugh is a snitch?

[owenbrown]

Is there any reason whatsoever for me to actually give one flying fuck about the Pro Bowl tonight?

[road doggy dogg]

Welp, Josh Gordon's career is effectively over.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Browns WR Josh Gordon flunked another drug test and now will be subject to a one-year banishment, per league sources. More on ESPN @ 6 pm.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/559452358435160064">January 25, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[#1-norm-fan]

Says on NFL.com right now that he failed a test for alcohol.

What?

[road doggy dogg]

Part of his DUI treatment plan was that he was explicitly banned from using alcohol.

[Ruien]

:rofl: Gordon is a moron.

[Ruien]

Like seriously, just stay away the shit for 2 years and you will have enough money for the rest of your life. Do the stupid shit after you get a good amount of bankroll.

[road doggy dogg]

lol so I guess the Pro Bowl was in fact tonight.

Stafford gets MVP honours in the game, further showing that he is an elite QB when there are no stakes.

Love Stafford but goddamn. All the shit people pile on Romo for, Stafford is 10x for unfortunately

[Clerk]

Stafford is shit

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Saw the last drive of the game which means I got to see Andy Dalton check down to his running back and then miss his receiver by 5 yards on 4th down.

Classic Andy!

[Crimson]

Ravens coaches vs Cowboys coaches in pro bowl so you know who will win

You were right. The better coaches DID win

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

How will the 12th man work if the Seahawks can't operate the building to pump in crowd noise ala Goldberg?

12th Man < #12.

[road doggy dogg]

I think you're using the wrong team to make that joke with (Colts)

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

They both do that.

[screech]

Well there was that time the Seahawks won the superbowl

[#1-norm-fan]

Ravens coaches vs Cowboys coaches in pro bowl so you know who will win

Even when it comes to the pro bowl, Droford doesn't disappoint.

[Emperor Smeat]

According to ESPN or the way they worded it, seems like the NFL is having some serious problems with the Deflategate investigations. Compared to what was leaked or hinted at the start, the NFL doesn't have anything concrete on what actually happened. They only have a small idea on how it might have happened but nothing to come close to an official stance.

Robert Kraft is upset at the NFL for dragging this out and implying the Pats are completely guilty without the actual proof needed. Also wants the constant leaks to the media stopped since its helping no one.

The NFL has zeroed in on a New England Patriots locker room attendant who allegedly took the AFC Championship Game balls from the officials' locker room to another area on the way to the field, Fox Sports reported, citing sources.

According to Fox Sports, the league has interviewed him and has video.

The league is still gauging if any wrongdoing occurred, but he is a strong person of interest, Fox Sports reported.

The location in question was a bathroom in which the attendant can be seen in the video entering and exiting in 90 seconds with the 24 footballs provided by both teams, according to Pro Football Talk, which cited an anonymous league source.

The bathroom is a small, one-toilet room with one sink and has a door that locks from the inside, the Pro Football Talk report said.

Meanwhile, Ted Wells, the investigator hired by the NFL, said Monday that he expects his investigation to last at least several more weeks.
Making things a bit worse for the NFL is the timing for the deflating is likely too short for what the NFL stated the balls were deflated by.


A report from NBCSports hints that the NFL likely was wrong about how much the balls were under-inflated with only the INT ball being under 2 pounds and the rest between a half a pound to a pound at most.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/25/nfl-bears-plenty-of-blame-for-deflategate/


Also both Dan Marino and Steve Theisman both hinted dropping a pound in air weight wouldn't have that big of an impact and something they had done to their balls during their careers.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2015/01/21/joe-theismann-steve-young-nfl-deflategate-patriots/22130249/

[Droford]

Kid probably rubbed his junk on the balls for a giggle

[RP]

I wish this would go away at this point. It's getting ridiculous.

[RP]

Roger Goodell won't be commissioner next year. That's for sure.

[RP]

I love Robert Kraft pulling the power play. GO FUCK YOURSELF WITH ROGER GOODELLS DICK ROBERT KRAFT!

[RP]

This is embarrassing. An entire Superbowl ruined because the Patriots are cheaters. This is basically the Black Sox all over.

[Emperor Smeat]

Rams likely out of St Louis as early as 2016 based on recent changes made to their lease. Found a loophole in their lease that allowed the changes to be made. To keep them beyond 2016, its going to cost the city at least $700 million minimum for a new stadium the Rams want.

The Rams took the first step toward lame-duck status in St. Louis and a possible move back to the West Coast, notifying the city's Convention and Visitors Commission on Monday that they intend to shift to a year-to-year lease agreement for their use of the Edward Jones Dome.

The CVC, which operates the dome, confirmed the move Monday. The Rams referred comments to the CVC ...

Under terms of a 30-year lease agreement reached in 1995, the Rams had the ability to convert the lease to annual terms if the dome was not deemed among the top 25 percent of NFL stadiums based on various criteria. The team had until Wednesday to tell the city of its plans.
http://hosted2.ap.org/ORBEN/a83f53f64d8747e1ba7ef3607401e6a5/Article_2015-01-26-FBN--Rams%20Lease/id-57c323683dcd439ba1a762aa64427cda#.VMcBO8ZYxUS


Same Rams ownership also stated he'd have no problems sharing the LA market with a second team. Raiders and Chargers would be the frontrunners for that 2nd spot.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000463601/article/rams-owners-stadium-plan-pushes-nfl-closer-to-la-return

[RP]

Low life piece of shit cheaters! That's all they are. Some ball boy is about to take the fall because these low lives put him up to it. Fucking embarrassing. I can't imagine being a fan of this team. The entire history of this team is officially a joke. Robet Kraft is going to die with a black eye on his beloved franchise. Fantastic!

[RP]

Ill be straight up honest. If Goodell had any ounce of pride left in him, he should remove and replace the Pats in the Superbowl. Not with the Colts. The colts got demolished. He should put the Ravens in. They deserve it. Not the Patriots. They don't deserve it. They're fucking cheats!

[Clerk]

Ill be straight up honest. If Goodell had any ounce of pride left in him, he should remove and replace the Pats in the Superbowl. Not with the Colts. The colts got demolished. He should put the Ravens in. They deserve it. Not the Patriots. They don't deserve it. They're fucking cheats!

Shut the fuck up

[Droford]

Ill be straight up honest. If Goodell had any ounce of pride left in him, he should remove and replace the Pats in the Superbowl. Not with the Colts. The colts got demolished. He should put the Ravens in. They deserve it. Not the Patriots. They don't deserve it. They're fucking cheats!

Lol.. Not even i could agree with that

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

I love Robert Kraft pulling the power play. GO FUCK YOURSELF WITH ROGER GOODELLS DICK ROBERT KRAFT!

How about you have the Colts press play again for crowd chants that never happened. People cheering for the Colts? Tapegate! Goldberg-gate.

Irsay is a drunk asshole and gets a DUI. Dui-gate. He's a piece of shit and Robert Kraft is a motherfucking saint.

Fuck you.

[Clerk]

How about you have the Colts press play again for crowd chants that never happened. People cheering for the Colts? Tapegate! Goldberg-gate.

Irsay is a drunk asshole and gets a DUI. Dui-gate. He's a piece of shit and Robert Kraft is a motherfucking saint.

Fuck you.

This man has charisma

[screech]

Robert Kraft is a motherfucking saint.

Kraft is the owner of a cheating organization. I know you have to disagree because you're a homer, but let's not be silly here.

[Clerk]

Kraft is the owner of a cheating organization. I know you have to disagree because you're a homer, but let's not be silly here.

Cheating? How

[road doggy dogg]

RP being overly annoying as of late, more trolly than usual

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Kraft is the owner of a cheating organization. I know you have to disagree because you're a homer, but let's not be silly here.

Ravens re-signed and won two championships with a murderer. Pats cut ties with Hernandez as soon as they found out.

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[road doggy dogg]

Yeah I'm sorry but I don't think Ravens fans can take any moral high ground over any other NFL franchise lol

[screech]

Is there proof of anything other than Lewis being "involved?" There's at least proof that the Patriots cheated.

(yes, I am aware it is a sketchy situation no matter how you look at it, but I've also never called Ray Lewis "a motherfucking saint.")

[Ruien]

Technically there is no real proof the Patriots cheated yet (For Deflategate).

[RP]

Now SlickTrickyRickyDickens why would you negative rep me?

[RP]

You too Clark? Your rep is white. THAT'S RACIST!

[RP]

RP being overly annoying as of late, more trolly than usual

Stella got her(his)(your moms) groove back!

[Ruien]

STD gives a neg rep when you root for the team he is against. Shoot, he gives a neg rep if you think football is for your entertainment.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Tweet #SBMediaday in your tweets to maybe be seen on the NFL Network broadcast.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Marshawn Lynch simply answered "I'm only here so I don't get fined" to every single question on Media Day and then ended his interview after 5 minutes.</font>

[Ruien]

Richard Sherman has the ability to talk enough for the entire team. Lynch does not need to say a word, nor anyone else on the Seahawks.

[Clerk]

Lynch needs banned from the league for being an arrogant, outspoken, selfish, asshole.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Somebody should say you owe me a million dollars if you say "I'm only here so I don't get fined."

[Nark Order]

I don't think it's arrogance. I legitimately think Lynch has some form of social anxiety. I can't even hate the guy and I want his team to burn in hell for all eternity.

[RP]

For some odd reason I'm rooting for the Patriots. I hate Russell Wilson, plus I want the Patties to win so the embarrassment of them cheating well taint the entire season. I hope Tom Brady's gay home movies with Clerks dad get released too.

[Droford]

I dont think any player should be forced to talk to the media if they dont want to.

[road doggy dogg]

http://deadspin.com/dumbass-mad-at-marshawn-lynch-for-giving-him-column-fod-1682260686

haha

I enjoy when journalists (being generous) take shots at their peers

[Nark Order]

RP, let's not a t like Jim Irsay is a saint. He used his sway of being on the rule committee to change coverage rules because of one of his experiences with The Patriots. The guy is obsessed with that team.

Also. How are The Seahawks the good guys in all of this? Multiple PED offenses. They essentially constructed a stadium to make them better by making their fans much louder than they actually are (not illegal. But more of a "come on" thing.) And Pete Carroll is an asshole. Ask USC. Abandoned everybody after he told the team he'd be back and signed prospects. Left the team to deal with a huge pile of shit on their own.

[Clerk]

For some odd reason I'm rooting for the Patriots. I hate Russell Wilson, plus I want the Patties to win so the embarrassment of them cheating well taint the entire season. I hope Tom Brady's gay home movies with Clerks dad get released too.

Sad little troll mad about his sports teams sucking ass. While mine is in the super bowl.

[road doggy dogg]

Seadderall #1 heel in NFL

[Clerk]

Patriots 31 Seahawks 21.

[Evil Vito]

PHOENIX—Explaining his position on the sociological issue during a Tuesday press conference at Super Bowl Media Day, Seattle Seahawks running back Marshawn Lynch reportedly delivered an incredibly thoughtful and eloquent 45-minute address on the topic of privacy in the 21st century. “While increasingly exhaustive access to media has delivered many benefits to the American way of life, this same heightened scrutiny has simultaneously imposed progressively greater obstacles to our personal privacy, thus presenting ethical challenges unique to the internet age,” said the five-time Pro Bowler, calmly strolling back and forth with a microphone in hand while making eye contact with each individual member of the assembled national sports media. “Privacy versus accessibility; secrecy versus convenience; the individual versus the greater virtual communities of the digital landscape. At first blush, these appear to be the fundamental poles around which the modern privacy debate circles, but they have only grown more multifaceted and complex as the technological paradigm perpetually shifts. When meditating on the give-and-take of ever-evolving technology, I am often reminded of a quote from George Orwell: ‘Every generation imagines itself to be more intelligent than the one that went before it, and wiser than the one that comes after it.’ Could it be, in perhaps the ultimate irony, that with every technological advancement, with every marvel of engineering that seemingly brings us closer together and rips down the very walls that once divided the world, that with every such step forward, we have become ever more guarded about our own personal boundaries and the information we are comfortable sharing with one another? And in doing so, do we in fact chip away at the very core of what makes for a civilized society, and in an even broader sense, the very notion of being human? For to be human is inherently to be social, and yet it is also to desire control. With the public domain seemingly encompassing a greater and greater volume of personal information, that control has been ceded. The so-called right to privacy, as it were, is no longer a right inasmuch as it is now a privilege, to be enjoyed until it is torn away at a moment’s notice. Conversely, we so often desire to break down that same right to privacy of our fellow human beings, shielding ourselves while exposing others, just as a snake devours its own tail. Perhaps the biggest question of all is whether privacy itself—at least in the traditional sense—even exists in today’s world, or if it is simply a relic of a past time that bears no more meaning or significance than Aristotelian physics or the idea of a geocentric universe. Simple answers to such queries do not exist, I’m afraid, but in exploring them, we can at the very least hold a mirror to society and possibly even to ourselves—and that is something I hope to accomplish with all of you here today.” Following his lengthy treatise, Lynch stressed that he was only capable of delivering a cursory examination of such an extensive issue during his allotted time and urged those in attendance to contact him with any questions if they wished to discuss the matter in greater depth.

[road doggy dogg]

You know why I'm here

[Simple Fan]

Sad little troll mad about his sports teams sucking ass. While mine is in the super bowl.

Your teams in the Super Bowl? I seem to recall you were all over the Browns during the season.

[road doggy dogg]

Don't encourage him.

[Clerk]

Your teams in the Super Bowl? I seem to recall you were all over the Browns during the season.

Don't know how that came about

[RP]

http://m.espn.go.com/wireless/story?storyId=12243822

:y:

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Don't know how that came about

You were on Manzeils nuts like a Snickers bar.

[ClockShot]

Denver hires Wade Phillips as their new Defensive Coordinator.

:nono:

*bangs head into wall even harder*

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

didnt take long for a logo switch Clocky hahaha.

[ClockShot]

Pitchers and catchers report in a few weeks.

[Nark Order]

Deflategate is fucking ridiculous to me. Like lunacy. I cannot believe that it is still a thing.

[Innovator]

It's a thing because Goodell doesn't want the media to reflect on his stellar year

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Fire-Alarm Gate! Pats hotel fire alarm pulled for the second time since they've been in Arizona.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Vince Wilkfork should sleep near the alarms. If somebody gets close they will shit their pants when they see #75.

[Innovator]

It's probably Gronk pulling them

[RP]

Vince Wilkfork should sleep near the alarms. If somebody gets close they will shit their pants when they see #75.

They could just toss a few cheeseburgers on the floor. He'll be quickly distracted.

[screech]

lol fat joke

[DrA]

Denver hires Wade Phillips as their new Defensive Coordinator.

:nono:

*bangs head into wall even harder*

Why, he's a good coordinator.

[Droford]

Prediction for the big game

Seattle 23 New England 9

[Clerk]

Prediction for the big game

Seattle 23 New England 9

Are you retarded?

[Droford]

I predicted Denver would only score 3 points last year and everyone thought i was crazy. Granted they scored 8 but if i had gone with their 10 pts trend i mentioned id have been even closer. Pretty sure there wasnt even a seahawks fan who thought they would hold the Broncos to less than 10 points.

Patriots wont score a touchdown on Sunday.

[Emperor Smeat]

So apparently a big reason why Deflate-Gate needs a few more weeks of investigations is because both the refs and the NFL forgot to actually weigh the balls and write down the details when they checked the balls.

All the numbers being leaked or reported so far are just guesses by the NFL.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/29/nfl-didnt-log-the-psi-of-each-patriots-football/



Also Odell Beckham Jr. now owns a Guinness Record for most one-handed catches made in a minute with 33. Previous record was 10.
http://www.giants.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/Odell-Beckham-Jr-sets-Guinness-world-record-for-one-handed-catches/cfa4d88b-72e4-485f-abe2-c9649fb75dc0

[Clerk]

Patriots will win COOOOOOOCCK SUCKAAAAA

[#1-norm-fan]

Denver hires Wade Phillips as their new Defensive Coordinator.

:nono:

*bangs head into wall even harder*

Why, he's a good coordinator.

Seriously.

Shitty head coach... but he's a top 5 defensive coordinator, easily. You should be very happy about this.

[screech]

So apparently a big reason why Deflate-Gate needs a few more weeks of investigations is because both the refs and the NFL forgot to actually weigh the balls and write down the details when they checked the balls.

All the numbers being leaked or reported so far are just guesses by the NFL.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/29/nfl-didnt-log-the-psi-of-each-patriots-football/


lol good God, I didn't think this could get more ridiculous

[RP]

If that's true, than I feel bad that the Pats had to deal with all this shit, but something tells me the Pats had a hand in this.

[Ruien]

Going to be 5 security guards by the Patriots footballs at all time. Can't wait to see where they are, via television, at least 10 times during the game.

[screech]

It doesn't exactly "clear" the Patriots, as it was evident to officials that something was not right. But it shines a brighter light on how the league handles (or mishandles) "crisis" situations.

[screech]

Going to be 5 security guards by the Patriots footballs at all time. Can't wait to see where they are, via television, at least 10 times during the game.

For real? Can't wait to hear Michaels and Collinsworth awkwardly banter about that on a few 2nd and 10s.

[road doggy dogg]

Seriously.

Shitty head coach... but he's a top 5 defensive coordinator, easily. You should be very happy about this.

Indeed, he's like the defensive Norv Turner

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Sherman's girlfriend is due to give birth pretty soon and he's said as soon as he gets word that she's gone into labor, he is leaving to be there for it (she is in Arizona). Even if it means missing the game altogether.

Can't blame the guy at all for that but you know damn well a whole lot of idiots will if Seattle loses as a result. Wonder if I can place a bet on Baby Sherman for MVP.</font>

[Simple Fan]

He needs to be at work, he is not the one having the baby. How could you miss the Super Bowl. I understand being there and all but the Super Bowl is the Super Bowl.

[RP]

<font color=goldenrod>Sherman's girlfriend is due to give birth pretty soon and he's said as soon as he gets word that she's gone into labor, he is leaving to be there for it (she is in Arizona). Even if it means missing the game altogether.

Can't blame the guy at all for that but you know damn well a whole lot of idiots will if Seattle loses as a result. Wonder if I can place a bet on Baby Sherman for MVP.</font>

Being there for the birth of your child should be way more important than any football game.

[road doggy dogg]

Could be a "blessing in disguise" since it's being thrown around now that he has torn ligaments in his elbow

[Droford]

Someone from the patriots will pay the hospital to call him to tell his wife in in labor 20 minutes before the game.

Babygate

Or more devious theyll pay the doctor to slip her some drugs to induce the labor

[Crippla]

I'm just here so I won't get banned

[road doggy dogg]

You know why I'm here

[Supreme Olajuwon]

God football is so gay. It's basically a 24/7 gossip mag where everyone frets over stupid inconsequential nonsense and on a very rare occasion there's a also a football game.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

And yet I will never stop watching.

[road doggy dogg]

The two weeks leading up to the Superbowl is always filled with this kind of fluff and nonsense. The downside of having a 24-hour news cycle

[Ruien]

Have not listened to any radio talk for the last 2 weeks. What are the main stories besides Deflategate?

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>From an actual game perspective, it's not too different from last year. Top offense vs. top defense. Richard Sherman and Earl Thomas are question marks with injury.

From a "legacy" standpoint you have the Seahawks looking to be the first team to repeat in a decade, and Brady/Belichick chasing their seemingly elusive 4th ring. If the Pats win though the general public is still going to say that there's an asterisk over their entire "regime" since 2001 which is a bit daft as they're clearly a very good team and would be even without unnecessary cheating and the like.</font>

[road doggy dogg]

No way. If Pats win I think it's unanimous that Brady/Belichek are given "all-time greatest" at their respective positions. No question.

[Ruien]

<font color=goldenrod>From an actual game perspective, it's not too different from last year. Top offense vs. top defense. Richard Sherman and Earl Thomas are question marks with injury.

From a "legacy" standpoint you have the Seahawks looking to be the first team to repeat in a decade, and Brady/Belichick chasing their seemingly elusive 4th ring. If the Pats win though the general public is still going to say that there's an asterisk over their entire "regime" since 2001 which is a bit daft as they're clearly a very good team and would be even without unnecessary cheating and the like.</font>

Maybe to the die hard sport fans that will be true. But in the ESPN/NFL/Regular fan world it will not tarnish it anymore than Ray Rice killing people or Big Ben raping women. It will be BARELY be mentioned, if even at all, the entire week after the Patriots (Assuming they win) the Superbowl. The entire Deflategate will be forgotten, partially due to the Colts getting their ass handed to them during the game, and Spygate is rarely, if ever, mentioned as it is.

[poopfromweiner dude]

If the pats lose thank god they got busted #spygate 2007 otherwise they would have won st least 3 or 4 more super bowls since then

[road doggy dogg]

what

[Ruien]

Think he means if they would have never been busted for spying on the Jets defense they would have won 3 to 4 more super bowls.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Bullshit. They almost went perfect the year they got busted for Spygate as a fuck you to the league.

[OssMan]

Ya but they lost to the N.Y. Giants

[Nark Order]

And Eli Manning might be a legitimately retarded person. Well. Savant is probably more accurate.

[Emperor Smeat]

Not sure if this one has an official "-gate" status but going to call this one Ticketgate for now.

Hundreds of people who thought they bought Super Bowl tickets found out recently they were likely scammed or lost out on the tickets due to several scalper-like sites reneging on the deals done.

Hundreds of fans won't be going to Super Bowl XLIX after brokers and resale sites reneged on tickets that they already sold.

In most cases, those selling tickets never had them to begin with. The practice, called short selling, has become common for big games over the years. Brokers sell tickets and buy them cheaper closer to the event to make their profits. But the idea of selling before having anything in hand became more commonplace as the returns consistently came in for previous Super Bowls.

That was until this year, when too many brokers sold tickets they didn't have and for lower prices than in previous years, making it impossible to get the real ticket for a price that was affordable when it came time to pull the trigger. By last Sunday, brokers were buying the worst seats for $5,000 just to save their company. Five days later, finding a ticket even for $10,000 was a challenge.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2014/story/_/id/12255886/hundreds-super-bowl-tickets-fall-through

[Heyman]

I agree with RDD.


If the Pats get that 4th Super Bowl ring, I don't think there will be any *asterisk* whatsoever.

Having said that, this is a golden opportunity for both the Seahawks and Russell Wilson. After having gone up against Peyton Manning last year, they now go up against Tom Brady; two living legends.


Playing against both Peyton Manning and Tom Brady in a Super Bowl is an achievement and an honor in itself.


If I'm Russell Wilson, I'm thinking that there is no greater honor in having won back-to-back Super Bowl's, with both Peyton Manning and Tom Brady passing you that torch.

[Ruien]

I don't look at it as Wilson beating them as much as it's the defense winning the games. Just like how Eli's first Super Bowl win is looked at.

[Triple A]

The Patriots seem way more likeable/entertaining than the dumb Seahawks... hate the Seahawks for some reason

[RP]

The Patriots seem way more likeable/entertaining than the dumb Seahawks... hate the Seahawks for some reason

I hate to agree, but I agree. Gronk seems like someone I could hang out with and play video games.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Yeah Gronk is almost impossible to dislike. He's a complete meathead who was pretty much born to play football and make a shitload of money doing it. I can't see him doing anything after his career is over except partying and fucking strippers. There are certainly worse ways to live.</font>

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Just got Madden for 24 bucks for XBone online. Gonna play the shit out of it until the Superbowl once it downloads. Whoooooo!

[Corndad]

Jerome Bettis into the Hall!

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

HONK HONK! ALL ABOARD THE BUS!

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Good HOF class. I thought Kurt Warner or Orlando Pace might have gotten in on their first ballot but Tim Brown and Jerome Bettis were definitely due from the offensive side.

Pace will probably go in next year. Warner will need to wait until 2017 as Favre is a lock for next year and they generally try to diversify positions.</font>

[screech]

I was all excited to post "Holy Mosley!" in celebration, but CJ Mosley didn't win Defensive Rookie of the Year.

Guess I have to wait til next year to make Holy Mosley a thing. Dammit.

[Nark Order]

Big fan of Aaron Rodgers. Feel like Watt deserved MVP, but Aaron is a solid choice as as well.

[Droford]

I was all excited to post "Holy Mosley!" in celebration, but CJ Mosley didn't win Defensive Rookie of the Year.

Guess I have to wait til next year to make Holy Mosley a thing. Dammit.

Mosley will have a better career than Rogers and Mack

[road doggy dogg]

Someone explain to me how Bobby Wagner got an MVP vote lol

[Requiem]

Marvin Harrison should have been first-ballot. Totally snubbed for a guy who wasn't as good. It was totally a "He's been waiting a long time so let's put him in" instead of who actually deserved it more.

[road doggy dogg]

I kinda asked this elsewhere, but would that whole weird thing with Harrison's gun and all that shit have anything to do with it? What ever happened to that story?

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Harrison was never charged with anything IIRC. The gun that was confiscated from him was determined to not be a match in the shooting he was accused of.

I honestly don't think the accusations have anything to do with him not going in immediately. If accusations are enough to lose votes, then Ray Lewis shouldn't go in right away but I think we all know he will be headlining the class of 2018.

WR just seems to be a logjam and since they only allow 7 or 8 entrants per year, they try to not let in two from the same position. Carter, Reed, and Brown had been waiting for longer and we haven't had a first-ballot WR since Rice.

My best guess is Harrison gets in either 2016 or 2017, with T.O. going in whatever year Harrison doesn't. Moss in 2018.</font>

[#1-norm-fan]

Someone explain to me how Bobby Wagner got an MVP vote lol

Tony Dungy

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/2/1/7959231/tony-dungy-explains-bobby-wagner-mvp-vote-nfl-honors

[road doggy dogg]

Why wouldn't he vote for him as DPoY as well then?

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Cousin Sal's Annual Gary Russell Memorial Super Bowl Prop: Michael Hoomanawanui over 6.5 yards.

Not a bad choice really. He'd be like the 5th option on a 2 TE set play and probably the only one uncovered. Could see that happen a couple of times for 4-5 yards a pop.</font>

[#1-norm-fan]

Why wouldn't he vote for him as DPoY as well then?

It comes down to the whole "MVP is for the guy most valuable to his team and PoY is for the best player" thing. He might think JJ Watt was the best defensive player but you can't make a good case for his value to his team when he didn't help them make the playoffs.

I still think Bobby Wagner is kind of a ridiculous choice but Dungy just takes the "MVP" incredibly literal so he chose the guy who he thought was the most important player on a Super Bowl team.

[RP]

Edleman is one of the douchiest looking douches I've ever seen. I think I want Seattle to win more.

Wait Richard Sherman just talked again. Now I want New England.

[RP]

Rodney Harrison just changed his superbowl pick because he " saw Bill Belichek walking across the field and he looked serious " .

Now I'm rooting for the Seabirds again.

[Nark Order]

Did that Despicable Me commercial just insult the entire football audience?

[Emperor Smeat]

Think so

[Droford]

Russell Wilson wants Norris Reeses SB record of 22 yards passing

[Droford]

No offensive pass interference on Gronk for that shove

[Nark Order]

I love how Vince Wilfork looks more out of shape than the average NFL fan.

[Droford]

Green Bay should have won the nfc championship

[Droford]

Hey we got a game somehow

[Emperor Smeat]

:D Gronk

[Nark Order]

God damn. Pete Carroll is like the ballsiest guy I have ever seen.

[Nark Order]

Pats getting burned by a guy nobody has ever heard of.

[road doggy dogg]

Huge call by Carroll. Wow

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

How is he that open? Fucking eh. At least tackle him to the ground.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Pats still dominating. Two lucky strikes have it being tied. Pats still have this.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Big Tits McNoBrain

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

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[Corndad]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Katy Perry be all like... <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SuperBowlXLIX?src=hash">#SuperBowlXLIX</a> <a href="http://t.co/MHDnu8wXVG">pic.twitter.com/MHDnu8wXVG</a></p>&mdash; The History of WWE (@TheHistoryofWWE) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheHistoryofWWE/status/562056573007446016">February 2, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[RP]

lol Tom Brady Ted preview.

[owenbrown]

Gertner probably wishes he was in Ted 2 now :p :lol:

[McLegend]

The Patriots have been in this exact situation before.

[Emperor Smeat]

The Patriots have been in this exact situation before.

Really hope it ends differently this time

[Droford]

The Seahawks are probably going to score their td too fast and leave enugh time for Brady to get into fg range

[Emperor Smeat]

... Seriously?

[Droford]

Patriots almost have to let them score

[Droford]

Or not

[Fenix122]

Why would you pass it....

[Emperor Smeat]

http://community.us.playstation.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/257423i450CA8BFA1A9D844/image-size/original?v=mpbl-1&px=-1

[Ruien]

LOL AT THE SEAHAWKS NOT RUSHING!!!!! The Great Russel Wilson is LOL.

[Corndad]

Why would they even THINK of throwing there?

[Simple Fan]

Run the Damn ball WTF.

[DrA]

Incomprehensibly stupid call

[Evil Vito]

Worst play call in NFL history. Not even close.

[Fenix122]

Best game ending ever

[Simple Fan]

Dumb ASD seahawks they were gonna knee it in the end zone

[Ruien]

Look at all that class from the Seahawks.

[Simple Fan]

Ass drunk post

[McLegend]

MVP should be Edelman

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

INT! THE CHAMPS ARE HERE!!!!!

[Evil Vito]

Only Eli Manning can crush Tom Brady's soul in the Super Bowl.

[Simple Fan]

Fuck New England cheating ass mother fuckers.

[Droford]

Lynch should feel disrespected not getting the ball 2 yards away from the end zone to potentially win the SB

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Greedy Wilson wanted to score it himself. You fucked up. You're a clock management QB.

[Innovator]

False flag, Seahawks collapse is an inside job

[#1-norm-fan]

For all the great things Pete Carroll has done... That was, without exaggeration, one of the worst play calls of all time. Holy shit. You hand it off to Lynch and trust him to gain a yard on 3 plays, you probably win the game. So let's let Russel Wilson throw it.

[Evil Vito]

The Seahawks better rip off the contract Seattle offered him and double it. Lynch has every right to feel insulted with that play call.

[RP]

Andy Reid snuck onto the field and called that play.

[owenbrown]

Wilson should have done a QB Sneak or something.... shitty call... but congrats to the Patriots.... now tell the media to collectively shove this win straight up their asses

[McLegend]

Forget an investigation into deflategate/ballghazi. I want to to see one on the play call on 2nd and goal from the 2.

It was a good Super Bowl, but there wasn't anything memorabilia until the last 2 minutes. However that is one of the best endings to a Super Bowl ever.

[Simple Fan]

Worst NFL season ever Cowboys get cheated out of the playoffs and gay ass New England wins the Super Bowl fuck that.

[Corndad]

I'm still in Shock they didn't run it.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>That's what's best for business, <a href="https://twitter.com/Patriots">@Patriots</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SB49?src=hash">#SB49</a>! <a href="https://twitter.com/joelmchale">@joelmchale</a> <a href="http://t.co/1TiSXFBjsV">pic.twitter.com/1TiSXFBjsV</a></p>&mdash; Triple H (@TripleH) <a href="https://twitter.com/TripleH/status/562091900983709697">February 2, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[owenbrown]

Where the fuck is Gertner at to spam every forum with Tom Brady threads?! :lol:

[McLegend]

That 3rd and 14 conversation where Edelman clearly got concussed was the biggest offensive play of the game for the Pats.

[Mercenary]

Can I breathe now?

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

That 3rd and 14 conversation where Edelman clearly got concussed was the biggest offensive play of the game for the Pats.

The biggest play of the game was probably the late hit. 15 yards on a key drive.

[#1-norm-fan]

The biggest play of the game was when Pete Carroll went full retard.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Any Bostonians going out for T-Shirt and Hat night? Not this time for me.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Can't even imagine what Seattle fans are going through right now. The Giants were on the goal line against the Pats three years ago and Belichick let them score. If they had gotten picked off on a dumb call like Wilson did tonight I probably wouldn't have slept that night.

Although them having won it last year probably takes away some of the pain.</font>

[#1-norm-fan]

Congrats to Clerk though for his team winning the big one. He's a true fan.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Good news for fans of other NFC teams: Lynch could still walk, Quinn will almost certainly leave for Atlanta as the job has been held open for him, and Wilson is probably going to get like a $20M per year extension eating up a ton of cap space.

I won't say Seattle's SB window is closed, but it will be a LOT harder for them to get back next year.</font>

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Patriots 2015 home schedule: Buffalo, Miami, NY Jets, Jacksonville, Tennessee, Philadelphia, Washington, Pittsburgh

Pittsburgh for the 2015 Thursday Night opener seems like a decent bet. I don't think they'd do AFC vs. NFC to start the season and not totally sure they'll go all in on Rex Ryan's Bills in a season opener.</font>

[Simple Fan]

Forget an investigation into deflategate/ballghazi. I want to to see one on the play call on 2nd and goal from the 2.

It was a good Super Bowl, but there wasn't anything memorabilia until the last 2 minutes. However that is one of the best endings to a Super Bowl ever.

One of the worst super bowls ever, how do you call a interception on the seahawks last play a good ending.

[Simple Fan]

Any Bostonians going out for T-Shirt and Hat night? Not this time for me.

Fuck Boston.

[road doggy dogg]

what is your deal man

I hate Patriots/annoying-ass Patriots fans but they played a hell of a game

[Simple Fan]

I don't care I don't like any Boston team.

[Simple Fan]

Plus I'm posting drunk.

[Emperor Smeat]

Extra early betting favorites for next year's Super Bowl is a repeat Seahawks-Pats matchup with the Hawks as the favs.

After those two, Broncos and Green Bay are the next favs to be in the game and win.

http://espn.go.com/chalk/story/_/id/12265900/seattle-seahawks-next-year-super-bowl-favorites

[#1-norm-fan]

Pittsburgh @ New England will be a shitty way to start the 2015 season.

[Clerk]

Wow what a game! Glad to have been there to experience it live! Everyone thought it was over but all you have to do is Bolieve!

[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-cards="hidden" lang="en"><p>Richard Sherman played Super Bowl XLIX w/ torn ligaments &amp; is likely to have Tommy John surgery. (via <a href="https://twitter.com/ClaytonESPN">@ClaytonESPN</a>) <a href="http://t.co/YJQvu01hfw">http://t.co/YJQvu01hfw</a></p>&mdash; SportsCenter (@SportsCenter) <a href="https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/562123750146322432">February 2, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[Clerk]

nice excuse. if seahawks pay Wilson there dumb

[road doggy dogg]

I love Sherman and all, but aren't there rules to that kind of thing? Playing through that kind of injury?

Regardless, to have a torn UCL and only give up one reception in a game where Tom Brady had 37 completions, pretty boss. For all the morons trying to say that the loss should "shut this thug up" or whatever, they clearly didn't watch the game because he defs was not the reason they lost.

[Droford]

Hes probably going to miss 2015..pitchers that have TJ usually miss a whole year

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Anybody who calls Sherman a thug at this point is clearly a racist.</font>

[road doggy dogg]

Huge Pats homer friend texts me he changed his phone background to Sherman's face after the int. I can't bring myself to even give him a good-natured "lol" response

[Nark Order]

Sherman isn't a thug. He is clearly an asshole though.

[road doggy dogg]

An asshole who is very good at playing cornerback

[Nark Order]

Man. Yesterday was insane. I just wanted the Seahawks to lose, I didn't think they were going to completely embarrass themselves on national television. That seriously could not have gone any better. That was better than if they were blown out. They essentially knew they were going to win then had their hearts ripped out of their chest. So satisfying to me.

[Nark Order]

An asshole who is very good at playing cornerback

Oh yeah. Clearly. Probably top 2 in the league. I would much rather be beaten by Revis or Haden though because they won't dance on our grave afterwards like a fuckhead.

[road doggy dogg]

You kinda sound like one of those curmudgeony old baseball traditionalists who hates Bryce Harper because he has any semblance of personality

[Innovator]

Narc HATES it that the World Series isn't played in the afternoon like the good ol days

Still calls the Dodgers from Brooklyn

[Nark Order]

I love guys with personality. Jared Allen is probably my favorite player ever because of his personality. Sherman is just kind of vindictive and mean spirited.

[road doggy dogg]

What? Jared Allen is your go-to for "player with personality" ? Allen is like 10x more of a dickhead than Sherman is, pretty much one of the least-likeable sports figures ever

[Nark Order]

Revis soundly defeated Sherman by not responding to his antics.

Yesterday was seriously like a dream come true. All of it.

[Nark Order]

The Seahawks throwing a temper tantrum after the Pats went in to victory formation almost made me cum. It made me so happy. Like so unbelievably happy.

[Nark Order]

To be fair, if I was a Lion's fan, I would probably hate Jared Allen.

But he is wonderful. Just a wonderful human being overall.

[Ruien]

Isn't Narc a 49ers fan? Kind of explains it.

[Nark Order]

I'm just glad that a national audience got to see what 9ers fans have known for quite awhile. When the Hawks are up, they stand over everybody after every tackle, they taunt mercilessly, and they throw temper tantrums when they don't get their way. I don't HATE them necessarily because top tier competition in the division just helps everybody get better, but seeing them get gut wrenched was pretty satisfying.

Their souls were taken. They will never be the same again.

[road doggy dogg]

Are you like just finding out in 2015 that probably more than 50% of being successful at sports is attitude? Putting yourself in that mindset is part of what makes them so good at what they do.

[Simple Fan]

Johnny football just checked in to a treatment clinic.

[Nark Order]

You're acting like those antics are standard though, and they aren't. The reason people talk about them in that context is because they go overboard. Nothing was more satisfying than Sherman calling out Revis yesterday only to get his soul stolen at the end of the game.

Getting chippy is one thing, but if you're going to call out another individual player to the cameras, you better make sure you win. That's my problem with Sherman. Everybody gets mad/chippy but rarely do guys go out of their way to make it so personal. Calling out guys by name, calling out their numbers in the middle of a game, it seems so forced. We get the angle.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Johnny football just checked in to a treatment clinic.

A Shitty QB clinic?

[Clerk]

A Shitty QB clinichttp://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png (http://tpwwforums.com/#)?


No Russel Wilson will be checking into that

[screech]

Goodell apparently declined an interview on the SB pregame. But his league can fine players for not talking after week 3. what

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Super Bowl was the most watched program in American television history.

[owenbrown]

where have you been, STD? That is the case every year.

[owenbrown]

By the way, congrats to Smelly Meatball for winning TPWW Pick Them this year

[owenbrown]

jesus :nono:
http://deadspin.com/cops-warren-sapp-arrested-for-soliciting-prostitute-a-1683309199?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

[Emperor Smeat]

Baltimore Ravens nose tackle Terrence Cody was indicted Monday morning for animal abuse involving a dog and an alligator, according to the Baltimore County Deputy State's Attorney in Maryland.
Was released today by the Ravens and currently facing 15 charges (13 animal abuse, 2 drug).

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12268940/terrence-cody-formerly-baltimore-ravens-indicted-animal-abuse

[Ruien]

Five counts of animal abuse or neglect involving the alligator.

Probably decided he did not want to die so he locked the alligator in the basement.

[Ruien]

Seriously though, fuck him for neglecting/bringing his dog to a early death. Probably was a terrible life for the dog too. Hope he gets the max on all the charges.

[RP]

If Terrence Cody's name was Michael Vick, this would be a huge story.

[ClockShot]

Warren Sapp got arrested in Phoenix for soliciting a hooker. NFL Network promptly fired him.

[Heyman]

Very disappointed by the outcome of the game obviously, and the horrific ending from a Seahawks perspective, but the Pats deserved to win. Brady truly is a legend, and I think he has a valid claim in being considered the GOAT. My personal pick for GOAT is Joe Montana, but I wouldn't complain if the general consensus was Brady.


Seahawks have a great core and will be a contender for years.

[road doggy dogg]

For your sake I hope you're right. Wilson is going to get his payday, Lynch may or may not leave, and their defense needs to be paid soon too. Could be difficult to retain that core.

[Clerk]

Very disappointed by the outcome of the game obviously, and the horrific ending from a Seahawks perspective, but the Pats deserved to win. Brady truly is a legend, and I think he has a valid claim in being considered the GOAT. My personal pick for GOAT is Joe Montana, but I wouldn't complain if the general consensus was Brady.


Seahawks have a great core and will be a contender for years.

No to Thomas Brady being the GOAT (it's Aaron Rodgers)

Sadly the Seahawks run is over unless they can find a legit quarterback to run there team.

[Ruien]

I don't understand why Wilson is going to get paid like a superstar (As I keep hearing from people). The defense, offensive line, and Lynch carry the team. Sure Wilson is a above than average quarterback but to spend a ton of money on him may cripple the team.

[road doggy dogg]

Well he's not gonna get like Brady money but going from his current ~$900k to even a reasonable like $8-9M is a huge increase and will affect what else they can do with their cap

[Heyman]

For your sake I hope you're right. Wilson is going to get his payday, Lynch may or may not leave, and their defense needs to be paid soon too. Could be difficult to retain that core.



Lynch just signed a huge extension if I understand correctly (which is why the running joke in Seattle right now is why give a guy such a huge contract if you aren't going to give him the ball on the 2 yard line for the championship!).


As Clerk and Ruien allude to, Russell Wilson may not be the best Quarterback in the game right now, but I would argue that he's up there. I would also argue that a combination of Wilson's leadership, character, and what he means to both the players and the city, makes him worth every bit of the contract that the Seahawks will inevitably give him.

[road doggy dogg]

Ah okay. I heard they offered him (Lynch) an extension but wasn't sure if he signed.

[Ruien]

I would put Wilson in the second tier of quarterbacks. He is not Rodgers/Brady/Manning/Brees but he could fall into the next catagory. I can't put him in with the best of the best because the offense runs through Lynch rather than Wilson. That is not to say Wilson is a game manager but Lynch (And the offensive line) is what makes the offense tick.

[Clerk]

Top 10 QB's playing right now
1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Tom Brady
3. Andrew Luck
4. Peyton Manning
5. Drew Brees
6. Philip Rivers
7. Colin Kaepernick
8. Tony Romo
9. Ben Rothlesbigburger
10. Joe Flacco

[road doggy dogg]

I would put Wilson in the second tier of quarterbacks. He is not Rodgers/Brady/Manning/Brees but he could fall into the next catagory. I can't put him in with the best of the best because the offense runs through Lynch rather than Wilson. That is not to say Wilson is a game manager but Lynch (And the offensive line) is what makes the offense tick.

Those are all entirely fair and accurate points. But Wilson will be getting a raise, and though he won't be making $20M/year like some of the top guys, it's not unreasonable to expect roughly half that.

Between a potential new Wilson contract and Lynch's extension, that alone will increase the 'Hawks' cap hit by probably about $12M+

[Ruien]

Top 10 QB's playing right now
1. Tom Brady
2. Aaron Rodgers
3. Peyton Mannings
4. Andrew Luck
5. Drew Brees
6. Tony Romo
7. Joe Flacco
8. Matt Stafford
9. Russel Wilson
10. Cam Newton

[Ruien]

Those are all entirely fair and accurate points. But Wilson will be getting a raise, and though he won't be making $20M/year like some of the top guys, it's not unreasonable to expect roughly half that.

Between a potential new Wilson contract and Lynch's extension, that alone will increase the 'Hawks' cap hit by probably about $12M+

Ya, he will be getting a raise. 8/9 million a year would be perfect. Giving him 20 million a year would be extreme and what could cripple the Seahawks if it happens.

[road doggy dogg]

I've been bullish on Brees in the past but I think I might put a couple of those guys ahead of him at this point. Seems he's on the downswing of his career.


Of course, next season he'll throw for 5500 yards and 46 TDs now to make me look stupid for saying that

[Ruien]

Ya, he is on the decline. The gap between him and the next guy is very thin now.

[Clerk]

Give manziel credit yea?

http://cle.247sports.com/Bolt/Manziel-made-the-decision-on-rehab-per-report-35318210

[Crimson]

Manning should be number 10

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Nothing against Brady but I don't really see how anybody other than Rodgers can be considered the #1 QB in the league.

Rodgers' numbers at home this season: 25 TD, 0 INT, 9.7 yards per pass attempt, 133.2 passer rating. And his last INT at home was in 2012. This season 1 INT for every 7 or so TD. No other QB in the league came even close to that.

He pretty much never makes mistakes.</font>

[road doggy dogg]

You're comparing apples to oranges, though, that's the problem.


See, Aaron Rodgers is a cyborg.