NFL Thread

[Simple Fan]

Thought either him or Spagnola would get the job.

[ClockShot]

Pretty much what everyone's been saying, Giants were gonna keep it in the family and hire someone within.

[McLegend]

Eagles were about to offer Ben Mcadoo a job to.

Good job, Eagles. Good to know there is a plan in place.

[Droford]

Ed Reed coaching the bills DBs..ugh

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Well...McAdoo will have the Giants job for the remaining 4 years of Eli's deal at minimum. Just don't see a scenario where they make him learn a new offense again.

I guess the move feels somewhat underwhelming because it feels more like a move for the sake of making a move. How different could he possibly be from Coughlin, the guy who mentored him through his only 2 years as offensive coordinator? And we all know Reese is the one who should have been fired.

Still it's not like it was a particularly strong candidate pool.</font>

[Emperor Smeat]

49ers expected to decide between Mike Shanahan and Chip Kelly as their new head coach by tomorrow.

<s>Eagles leaning on Tom Coughlin as their next coach. Could be a very small deal in terms of years since Coughlin wants to retire within the next 2-3 years.</s> Nevermind, Coughlin just pulled out of the Eagles talk according to ESPN.

[Innovator]

Atta boy Coughlin

[Emperor Smeat]

49ers didn't bother wasting any more time and hired Chip Kelly as their new coach.

[Simple Fan]

Colin Kapernick is probably happy.

[Nark Order]

I dont really know if my expectations are ridiculously high but I at least know that next season is going to be fucking bananas. More exciting than hiring some schmoe. at least he's just going to be coaching and won't have much to do with extensive personnel decisions.

[Emperor Smeat]

Eagles expected to hire Chiefs offensive coordinator Doug Pederson as their next coach once the Chiefs season ends.

Bucs expected to hire their offensive coordinator Dirk Koetter as their new coach.

Titans are the last team left to hire a new coach while the Lions are still undecided on firing or keeping Jim Cadwell.

[#1-norm-fan]

lol49ers.

[Ruien]

49ers so win. Love Chip as a coach. Just donot let him have any say in the roster.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

He's worse than what they have as GM? I agree but I think they shouldn't be done cleaning house yet.

[ClockShot]

Lions are gonna keep Jim Caldwell around.

[Emperor Smeat]

Some ESPN NFL related stuff:

ESPN senior NFL analyst Chris Mortensen will be off the air as he begins treatments for throat cancer.

"More than a week ago, I was diagnosed with a Stage IV throat cancer," Mortensen said in a statement Friday. "My focus shifted significantly to gathering information about the specifics of this cancer. The initial diagnosis was confirmed Friday and there is another test remaining that will determine the best possible treatment plan that will commence in the very immediate future.

"Consequently, with the support and encouragement from ESPN president John Skipper and many others at ESPN, I am temporarily stepping away from my normal NFL coverage duties to better engage this opportunity to fight the good fight that is projected to affect almost 1.7 million Americans with new cases in 2016.

"I have many inspirational examples of men, women and children who have faced this very fight. We all know somebody, right? I also have the love and prayers of my wife Micki, my family, my friends, colleagues and, most of all, my faith that serve as sources of tremendous strength. I have a peace about this and look forward to the battle."
In terms of survival rate, around 25% to 50%.



According to reports, Eagles had hired ESPN's Ron Jaworski and Bill Polian as consultants to help out with the head coaching search. Jaworski was in favor of Doug Pederson getting the job which helped sway the team's decision on the hiring.

[Emperor Smeat]

LA pushing to host Super Bowl 55 now that the Rams are back in the city according to reports. Likely going to get it based on Roger Goodell's habit when it comes to new stadiums making requests.

Biggest obstacle is time since a stadium needs to be done and have a team playing there by 2018 in order to be eligible for 2019 SB hosting.

[ClockShot]

Broncos extend Derek Wolfe another 4 years.

Good move. All we need to do now is keep Von.

[Simple Fan]

Titans have officially taken the interm tag off Mike Mularkey and name him the head coach.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>lol. That's about the most uninspiring hire ever.</font>

[Emperor Smeat]

http://abload.de/img/untitled-4i2r9m.gif

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Pats are the One in 11 and One.

[Corndad]

How does the Ref mess up the Coin Flip hahaha

[Corndad]

Larry Fitzgerald is not from this world in the playoffs. Unreal game.

[#1-norm-fan]

https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/t31.0-8/12471387_1063345700378784_6746590242495219519_o.jpg

[Emperor Smeat]

Chargers recently filed trademarks to own the "LA Chargers" and "Los Angeles Chargers" names. Other people tried to grab those names but likely are getting voided soon. Once the move is official, they have until early next year to decide on sharing a stadium with the Rams or be sole owner of the other stadium. Raiders would get whatever option wasn't picked if they move.

NFL also rumored to have been active in pushing the Chargers to ditch San Diego in favor of LA.

[SammyG]

Bitches

[Simple Fan]

Josh Gordon applied for reinstatement today.

[Emperor Smeat]

According to ESPN earlier, Seahawks supposedly helping the Cardinals a bit in preparations for the NFC title game. Mostly about the horrid conditions of the Panthers field and suggestions on what shoes to wear for better field gripping.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Collusion!

[Emperor Smeat]

Looks like the NFL are getting a bit more serious than before with the roids allegations report from Al Jazeera.

Unlike the MLB, the NFL originally didn't want to work together with the USADA (US Anti-doping Agency). Either something changed recently or the NFL didn't like ESPN implying they refused help. Now they are working with the USADA to investigate the roids claims and Peyton Manning as the top target for both agencies.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/usada-helping-nfl-manning-hgh-probe-221633051--nfl.html

[Emperor Smeat]

Chargers and Rams agree to a preliminary deal to share a stadium in LA. Chargers offering San Diego a final chance to keep the team there but has to be done within a year due to the NFL's demands for the move.

Raiders looking at a possible deal to move to Las Vegas or possibly San Diego if the Chargers do end up moving. Either option wouldn't happen till after next season at the earliest.

[ClockShot]

Read about the Las Vegas proposal.

That has to be the worse place to put the stadium. Gotta find a plot of land on the outskirts of town. IF they end up going there.

Putting up that potential stadium across from McCarron and stone's throw away from the Strip is gonna be a traffic disaster.

[Simple Fan]

I would hate to see the Raiders in San Diego. San Antonio seems like the best fit to me but dont know if Jerry Jones woukd like that.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Why haven't they tried Oklahoma? Big college football fans there. Could be an easy market.

[Emperor Smeat]

Might be too low of a market especially for tv which is what the NFL cares a lot about. Could also end up with another Dolphins or Jags situation where the huge college football fan base barely transitions over for a pro team support after a while.

According to this list, San Diego is ranked #28 in the nation while Oklahoma is ranked #45 in terms of tv markets. http://www.stationindex.com/tv/tv-markets

[Emperor Smeat]

Johnny Manziel involved in another off-field incident and only a couple of days after it was being reported Cleveland's owner was willing to give him one more chance to stay on the team.

This time involving allegations of assaulting his ex-girlfriend leading to the police using a helicopter to search for him and the ex-girlfriend later dropping charges. NFL is also investigating the incident for possible punishments against him.

Troubled Browns quarterback Johnny Manziel is being investigated by police in Texas following a disturbance during which he may have assaulted his ex-girlfriend.

Manziel, who has had two tumultuous seasons in the NFL, was identified by Forth Worth police after they were called at about 2 a.m. Saturday to investigate a report of a possible assault at an apartment complex. The officers didn’t find the person who called, but they spoke to an unidentified 23-year-old woman who said she was “involved in a disturbance with her ex-boyfriend” earlier that night in Dallas.

Sgt. Steve Enright later identified him as Manziel. There were no arrests, and it’s not clear if Manziel has yet been questioned.

Police didn’t say if the woman was hurt. An ambulance was called, but she was not taken to a hospital.

The police report said the woman was uncooperative with officers, who were unable to locate a crime scene. The woman raised concerns about her ex-boyfriend’s well-being. Police tried calling Manziel’s cell phone and searching for him — including by helicopter, per the Star-Telegram — before it determined he was safe.

[ClockShot]

Hue Jackson is gonna regret taking that job if they keep that head case around.

Just get rid of him already.

[Simple Fan]

Please dont send him to Dallas though.

[Simple Fan]

Calvin Johnson told Jim Caldwell that 2015 was his last season, is retiring?

[ClockShot]

Breaking news at ESPN. So I guess it's true.

Pretty damn surprised if you ask me. I'd figure another season or two and Detroit could be in the playoffs conversation.

However, I do believe that someone will make him an offer he can't refuse and he'll hook on with another team down the road.

[Ruien]

Sorry RDD.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Megatron Powering Down. Lions ruin another great talent.

[Droford]

I got good oddz he comes back within 3 years for another team.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>My initial reaction was that Megatron won't make the HOF because he didn't play long enough. But then again most people have Hines Ward going to the HOF and Megatron only has 2 less TD and around 400 fewer years in 5 less seasons.

I think he's going in eventually. It just might take a while for the logjam to clear up.</font>

[Locke]

Calvin Johnson has always seemed like a really smart person and after all that he's done and been through, it's probably a really smart decision for him to retire.

[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Michael Bennett for Pro Bowl MVP: <a href="https://t.co/JnkWUytG3q">https://t.co/JnkWUytG3q</a> <a href="https://t.co/LdsP9i0INW">pic.twitter.com/LdsP9i0INW</a></p>&mdash; SB Nation (@SBNation) <a href="https://twitter.com/SBNation/status/693984778933002240">February 1, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[SlickyTrickyDamon]

I got good oddz he comes back within 3 years for another team.

Doesn't he have to play for the Lions if he un-retires?

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Yeah, he does. Any player who retires with time left on their contract officially goes on a reserve list and the team retains rights to the player. A couple of years after Barry retired his agents asked the Lions to trade or release him, which suggested that he wanted to come out of retirement but play for a different team. The Lions refused, so he stayed retired.

Tiki Barber sat out 4 seasons after retiring and when he filed reinstatement papers the Giants had to release him.</font>

[Innovator]

What an asshole.

Tiki, not Johnson.

[McLegend]

Lol I forgot Tiki came out of retirement.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I'll never forget getting a Tiki home jersey to replace my tattered Shockey jersey, and then the very next week he announced his impending retirement. I figured it was no biggie, I could still wear it since he was their best RB ever. Then he became a huge asshole and I replaced it with a Justin Tuck jersey after SB42 that I've been rocking ever since.

Speaking of which...he retired today. Great career. Probably will go into the Giants Ring of Honor fairly quickly.</font>

[Ruien]

Why is Tiki coming out of retirement an asshole move? Did he plow the Giants or something?

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Nah it's not that. Pretty much the second he retired he went into bitter mode. Said Coughlin was a terrible coach and that Eli would never be capable of winning the big one. Then the Giants won the Super Bowl the next year without him.

More importantly though, he cheated on his wife (who was 8 months pregnant with twins) with a young NBC intern. He got fired and I'm pretty sure he only came out of retirement because she took all of his money in divorce and child support proceedings.</font>

[Innovator]

Yeah, he shit on the coach who saved his career by teaching up to stop fumbling.

[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Johnny Manziel has told people <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cowboys?src=hash">#Cowboys</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Rams?src=hash">#Rams</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash">#Chiefs</a> interested in him. Rams had draft interest, Chiefs have none. Thoughts, Jerry?</p>&mdash; Ed Werder (@Edwerderespn) <a href="https://twitter.com/Edwerderespn/status/694591044415979520">February 2, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[road doggy dogg]

NFL adding a Rooney rule for the women's

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Not sure why that hasn't already been a thing.

[Emperor Smeat]

Browns confirmed Johnny Manziel is getting the dropped the moment they are allowed by league offseason rules. Also the actual report of his recent alleged assault charges is really bad.

DALLAS - The ex-girlfriend of NFL quarterback Johnny Manziel told police that the Heisman Trophy winner told her "shut up or I'll kill us both" after forcing her into a car, hitting her, and dragging her by the hair.

On Thursday, News 8 learned harrowing details of last week's alleged assault of Colleen Crowley by Manziel, who is currently on the Cleveland Browns roster, but is not expected to return next season.

After News 8 broke this story Thursday afternoon, Manziel denied wrongdoing in a published report.

Sources say while in his hotel room, the two of them argued over another girl. Crowley told police she tried to leave the room, but that Manziel wouldn't let her.

Crowley told police Manziel "restrained" in some manner and "led" her down a back stairway to the valet area.

"I was crying and begged the valet, 'Please don't let him take me. I'm scared for my life!'" she told police. The valet reportedly told her, "I don't know what to do" and let Manziel leave with her.

Sources say Manziel then drove her about a half-mile to her car, which was parked near the Concrete Cowboy bar off Cedar Springs Road. She claims she jumped out of the car and tried to hide from Manziel, but he found her in some nearby bushes.

"He grabbed me by my hair and threw me back into the car and got back in himself," she reportedly told police. "He hit me with his open hand on my left ear for jumping out of the car. I realized immediately that I could not hear out of that ear, and I still cannot today, two days later."

Crowley then reportedly hit Manziel several times, hoping to get out of the car, but, she told police, Manziel "threw me off of him" and she hit her head on the car window. She told police he would not give her her phone.

Sources say Manziel then got on Interstate 30 and began driving to her apartment in Fort Worth. While en route, she claims, she yelled at him, "I hate you!" He allegedly replied that "he was going to drop me off, take my car and go kill himself," sources said.

She says she thought he was on drugs or maybe having a psychotic break. She told police she then began telling him she loved him.

She says at that time Manziel "started laughing" and then reportedly yelled at her to "shut up or I'll kill us both."
She says they finally made it to her Fort Worth apartment where the argument continued.

Crowley claims Manziel became angry, and smashed her phone. He then went outside and started "pacing," she told police. While she was alone, she tried to use her computer to contact her parents through Apple's FaceTime video chat system.

She said Manziel came back into the apartment, checked her computer, and realized she had tried to contact her parents.

"I was in my kitchen, so out of fear for my life, I pulled a knife out of my knife block and advanced toward him," Crowley told police.

"He ran out of the apartment," she said. When she saw him in the parking lot, she said she banged on a neighbor's door and screamed for help. Manziel fled on foot, she told police.
http://www.wfaa.com/sports/johnny-manziel-threatened-ex-girlfriend/32613842

[ClockShot]

If Goodell wants to score some points, don't let him back in the league when the Browns dump him.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Yeah but he's like Bill Clinton post-Monica now. Anything good he does will be either called distraction or just making up for being terrible. Manziel will be banned by not being able to get a contract to be a QB anywhere.

Johnny Foolsball is finished.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

There is only one solution. He's suspended indefinitely until a team agrees to sign him to a deal. All of the pressure will be on the team and Johnny and not the Commish. No team will want to do that so he'll be finished.

If he comes back to the NFL he has to be known as John. Johnny is dead.

[Droford]

the all pro domestic violence team needs a QB

[Clerk]

Stop making fun of Johnny Manziel

[owenbrown]

Fuck Johnny Rehab

[Emperor Smeat]

According to a recent Washington Post reports, a spokesman from Peyton Manning's side allegedly admitted that roids were shipped to Peyton's house but still claims they were just for his wife.

The bigger piece of the report is allegations about Manning's private investigators intimidating the accuser's parents prior to the Al Jazzera report going public. Also claims that Mannings's investigators falsely claimed they were police as the reason for their visit.

The accuser himself wasn't at the scene but denied it happened. Reports have teased a big reason he recanted his claims was due to fears of lawsuits from players and Al Jazzera failed to protect him as a source.

The parents of a former Indianapolis anti-aging clinic employee who made hidden-camera accusations about Peyton Manning’s alleged HGH use called 9-1-1 after goons turned up on their doorstep seeking information about their pharmacist son, Charlie Sly.

That’s just one of the revelations in a Washington Post report today in which, for the first time, a Manning spokesperson admits that part of Sly’s story was true: that the Guyer Clinic in Indianapolis did indeed ship drugs to Manning’s house as alleged by Al-Jazeera America’s documentary and later by the documentary’s producer. Manning had previously called those claims “completely fabricated.” The Manning camp refused to discuss the issue further with the Post, citing Ashley Manning’s medical privacy.

But back to that 9-1-1 call. The Washington Post reports the investigation, which was funded by Peyton Manning, featured two private dicks knocking on Randall and Judith Sly’s door—with one of them, according to the call, falsely claiming to be a cop.
http://deadspin.com/private-eyes-spook-parents-of-manning-hgh-accuser-in-91-1757224765

[Simple Fan]

Stop making fun of Johnny Manziel

http://www.tpwwforums.com/showthread.php?t=131022

What do you call this?

[ClockShot]

Texans & Raiders will be playing a MNF game south of the border in Mexico City next season.

First time NFL played a game there since 2005 when Cardinals & 49ers played.

[Ruien]

At least they will have two ,500 teams. Unlike London getting super shitty games their first two years before anything decent.

[Mercenary]

I'm sure Peyton is pumping the HGH into him right now.

[ClockShot]

The Johnny Rehab saga in the last 24 hours:

His agent dumps him as a client.

His family wanted him to go to rehab but he said "No No Nooooooooo"

Ex-girlfriend has filed criminal charges against him and police are now investigating.

[Ruien]

Its amazing how you can have everything one day and the next nothing. His family should have stepped in awhile ago when this started developing in his youth.

[Simple Fan]

http://www.stack.com/a/colorado-school-district-bans-students-from-wearing-peyton-mannings-jersey?ref=yfp

Lol, school district in Colorado ban Peyton Mannig jerseys because of the 18th Street gang.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Final predictions for the HOF before they get announced tonight: Brett Favre, Marvin Harrison, Orlando Pace, Kevin Greene, Tony Dungy, Eddie DeBartolo Jr, Ken Stabler, Dick Stanfel.</font>

[Droford]

I'm sure Peyton is pumping the HGH into him right now.

Well if hes retiring, then yeah..not like they can suspend him.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Final predictions for the HOF before they get announced tonight: Brett Favre, Marvin Harrison, Orlando Pace, Kevin Greene, Tony Dungy, Eddie DeBartolo Jr, Ken Stabler, Dick Stanfel.</font>

<font color=goldenrod>yup</font> :D

[Emperor Smeat]

ESPN had some insight on this year's Hall voting and in terms of times for debates/decisions, Eddie DeBartolo needed the longest at 50 minutes and Brett Farve needed the shortest at 19 seconds for both to get final ballot approval.

Took over 43 minutes of debating for the voters to decide against Terrell Owens for this year's class. His bad behavior reputation played a big role in not getting picked for the final ballot.

Also confirms the unwritten rule of no more than 1 guy per position per class.

http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland//post/_/id/845/inside-the-hall-of-fame-voting-room

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Starvin' Marvin deserved to be a first ballot HOF but congrats to him getting it done.

[Emperor Smeat]

Cam Newton took the MVP award with 48 out of 50 votes (1 for Brady, 1 for Palmer) while Ron Rivera took the Coach of the Year award with 36.5 votes (Andy Reid was #2 with 6 votes).

[Evil Vito]

ESPN had some insight on this year's Hall voting and in terms of times for debates/decisions, Eddie DeBartolo needed the longest at 50 minutes and Brett Farve needed the shortest at 19 seconds for both to get final ballot approval.

Took over 43 minutes of debating for the voters to decide against Terrell Owens for this year's class. His bad behavior reputation played a big role in not getting picked for the final ballot.

Also confirms the unwritten rule of no more than 1 guy per position per class.

http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland//post/_/id/845/inside-the-hall-of-fame-voting-room

<font color=goldenrod>Nice read. I'm not surprised to hear that they group the modern era guys by position. By comparing them all side by side it's easier to whittle down the field.

There really isn't a statistical measure out there that would support Harrison going in over Owens, but Harrison was waiting longer. That's just how it is.</font>

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Speaking of Harrison...his HOF speech is going to be awkward as all fuck, that is if he even goes. He's always been super awkward dealing with the press.

Also there's the whole "might be a slum lord who very likely killed somebody" thing.</font>

[Clerk]

How lazy could you bastards get? Nobody makes a super bowl 50 thread. Got damn lazy bums

[road doggy dogg]

ummm there are 4 different superbowl threads in casual

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Weirdest shit ever on the Pre-game show. Alternate history of the Buffalo Bills if they didn't shit the bed four years in a row.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Anybody who had to pointed to the circle to stand probably has CTE.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

What was the prop bet time for Lady Gaga's?

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

The game just started and Nantz is saying its almost time for the Halftime show? Da fuck.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Congrats to ClockShot and the Broncos. Crazy good defense.</font>

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Broncos 2016 home opponents: Chargers, Chiefs, Colts, Falcons, Panthers, Patriots, Raiders, Texans

Patriots/Broncos Thursday night kickoff game feels like close to a lock. Only other teams I could see being considered are the Panthers for a SB rematch or Chiefs if they want a divisional game.</font>

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Congrats to the Broncos. Strange season with them having a chance to not make the playoffs in the final week to make it all the way.

Von Miller is def the MVP. No voting matters.

[ClockShot]

WE DID IT!

[ClockShot]

Gonna be a fucking good day at work tomorrow.

[Emperor Smeat]

<font color=goldenrod>Congrats to ClockShot and the Broncos. Crazy good defense.</font>

Yeup their defense the whole season was scary good. Kept them in games long enough to let Peyton and Brock have those comebacks, the top seed in the AFC, and now the SB championship.

[Droford]

<font color=goldenrod>Broncos 2016 home opponents: Chargers, Chiefs, Colts, Falcons, Panthers, Patriots, Raiders, Texans

Patriots/Broncos Thursday night kickoff game feels like close to a lock. Only other teams I could see being considered are the Panthers for a SB rematch or Chiefs if they want a divisional game.</font>

Jesus Christ...manning wont retire so we'll get manning vs brady One Last Time* week 1

Ugh

[ClockShot]

Please send all defense credit to Mr. John Elway for defensive personnel acquisitions, and Mr. Wade Phillips for creating a monster of epic defensive proportions.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>One year after the dumbest play call in NFL history, Marshawn Lynch announces his retirement in an interesting way during the Super Bowl:</font>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="und" dir="ltr">✌�� <a href="https://t.co/wesip4IhOR">pic.twitter.com/wesip4IhOR</a></p>&mdash; Shawn Lynch (@MoneyLynch) <a href="https://twitter.com/MoneyLynch/status/696525541826924546">February 8, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[#1-norm-fan]

Now to listen to people shit on Peyton Manning because he didn't have enough to do with winning this Super Bowl.

"He was the greatest regular season QB ever but he couldn't win the big one."

"Yeah, he won the big one multiple times but it was never because of him."

Fuck football fans.

[Droford]

Now to listen to people shit on Peyton Manning because he didn't have enough to do with winning this Super Bowl.

"He was the greatest regular season QB ever but he couldn't win the big one."

"Yeah, he won the big one multiple times but it was never because of him."

Fuck football fans.

Feel like you directed that at me. Numbers/stats dont lie. The Broncos could have won this game today with (insert the worst QB you can think of) at QB. Hell they would havewon all 3 playoff games that way.

Just like how the Colts won SB 41.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Man, I'm so happy for Peyton. Yes he didn't have a very good game and the defense carried them to this Super Bowl, but I'm so glad he got another ring before he left. If the Colts or Broncos were playing when the Giants weren't on, I'd always pay extra attention to those games just because of Peyton. Watching him elaborately orchestrate an offense and basically be his own offensive coordinator was fascinating. It was an honor to watch him all those years.</font>

[#1-norm-fan]

Feel like you directed that at me. Numbers/stats dont lie. The Broncos could have won this game today with (insert the worst QB you can think of) at QB. Hell they would havewon all 3 playoff games that way.

Just like how the Colts won SB 41.

Except Peyton Manning is the greatest regular season QB ever.

... And you're a Joe Flacco fan and will act like he did big things in their SB season and actually helped them win a Super Bowl.

So fuck you. You're a retard.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>It's not easy to get back to the Super Bowl, but the Panthers seem like they can be a force. I know right after Super Bowl 47 I was certain that the Niners would win a title with Harbaugh and that defense. Then as it turned out they only had one year left of their peak.

Then again, that team also had so much weird shit happen to them with firing Harbaugh, surprise retirements, and the league figuring out the read option. For the Panthers, Cam might get even better, they don't appear to be headed for a mass free agent exodus, they tend to draft well, and they'll be getting Kelvin Benjamin back. Tough to see this team not at least being a contender for a few more years.</font>

[Ruien]

You don't know Flacco is better than Manning? Weirdo.

Manning has 2 rings AND 4 appearances. Best regular season QB. Basically, he is a living legend.

[Ruien]

Feel like Carolina's offense can only get better. Cam has Olsen and then who else to throw too? He need a WR1 and he will be golden. No idea how old their defense is though.

How nasty would it be for Carolina to get Forte for his last couple good years? He would be such a huge upgrade from Stewart.

[Emperor Smeat]

<font color=goldenrod>It's not easy to get back to the Super Bowl, but the Panthers seem like they can be a force. I know right after Super Bowl 47 I was certain that the Niners would win a title with Harbaugh and that defense. Then as it turned out they only had one year left of their peak.

Then again, that team also had so much weird shit happen to them with firing Harbaugh, surprise retirements, and the league figuring out the read option. For the Panthers, Cam might get even better, they don't appear to be headed for a mass free agent exodus, they tend to draft well, and they'll be getting Kelvin Benjamin back. Tough to see this team not at least being a contender for a few more years.</font>

Division-wise, South's weak enough that I wouldn't be surprised if Panthers won it again. Saints and Falcons both have some serious issues that might take a while to resolve (Saints D, Falcons O). Tampa is a wild card since they are way too inconsistent to write off but at the same time experts have been consistently wrong about when their break out moment will occur.

[owenbrown]

Now that the season is over, the Tennessee Titans are ON THE CLOCK! Hopefully they don't fuck up the draft in 3 months.

[#1-norm-fan]

Carolina is gonna be fine for a while. I'm relatively sure Cam will end up with a ring.

I'm just glad Denver won because of how it fucks with the Manning haters' "only one ring" argument.

[screech]

V glad Denver won. Love Peyton and great defenses.

[Ruien]

I am in love with ESPN not even acknowledging Lynch's retirement last night.

[screech]

Exactly how he'd want it, right? lol

[road doggy dogg]

never change, NFL thread

[CSL]

how do we know Marshawn Lynch is retiring and that he wasn't in fact the victim of a vicious thief stealing his cleats and throwing them over the phone line outside of house and he made a passive aggressive IG post about it

[Ruien]

Exactly how he'd want it, right? lol

Don't really care what he wants. I care about what I want. If both of those things align it's all gravy.

[Clerk]

Can we agree this was the most boring super bowl ever ? lel

[road doggy dogg]

So, make the case for/against Lynch's HoF chances

Numbers-wise he wasn't bad but I don't think he really stuck out particularly. Having the SB ring will help. I think passing the eye-test of being one of the most dominant RBs of his era helps his cause but idk if that's enough to put him in. Because sports are retarded and the media has some say in things that will hurt his cause because media types like to feel self-important so they will snub his @$$

[road doggy dogg]

I don't think he'll be first-ballot kinda guy but might sneak in

[Droford]

V glad Denver won. Love Peyton and great defenses.

Required to point out Ravens defense in 2000 was better and didn't give up an offensive TD or 10 pts in SB

[Droford]

Can we agree this was the most boring super bowl ever ? lel

In terms of relatively close games, probably. But most of The blowouts (specifically thinking SF/SD) were way worse.if Peyton Manning wasn't so bad it could have easily been a blowout

[road doggy dogg]

It's pretty crazy how good Denver's defense is. I think having a "media whore" like Peyton kind of helped put a chip on their shoulder because they've been so good all season but everyone wants to give credit to Manning for leading them to victory etc.

[Droford]

Except Peyton Manning is the greatest regular season QB ever.

... And you're a Joe Flacco fan and will act like he did big things in their SB season and actually helped them win a Super Bowl.

So fuck you. You're a retard.

They wouldn't have won the SB without Flacco. 11 TDs to 0 INTs in the playoffs tying a guy named Joe Montana. His 4 games in the playoffs that year were better than both of Mannings SB winning runs and that's a fact.

[road doggy dogg]

Yeah c'mon troll Droford all you want but Flacco's SB run was arguably the greatest postseason ever

[Droford]

Peyton Manning played 7 games over his 2 SB runs and the AFC Champ game in 2007 's Pats where he had to rally to beat them late in a 38-34 win was the only game he went over 300 yards passing.

[#1-norm-fan]

lol The line about Flacco not helping may have been a drunken over-statement on my part. Still, the fact that you'll still try to pretend Flacco is even in the same atmosphere as Manning now that you don't even have the Super Bowl win argument to cling onto is silly. He's the greatest QB ever stats-wise and also has two rings. Joe Flacco had a fine run in the playoffs that one year. He generally kinda sucks horse cock.

[road doggy dogg]

Not saying he's a better QB than Manning, but Flacco throws a better deep ball than Manning ever could.

[Evil Vito]

So, make the case for/against Lynch's HoF chances

Numbers-wise he wasn't bad but I don't think he really stuck out particularly. Having the SB ring will help. I think passing the eye-test of being one of the most dominant RBs of his era helps his cause but idk if that's enough to put him in. Because sports are retarded and the media has some say in things that will hurt his cause because media types like to feel self-important so they will snub his @$$

<font color=goldenrod>24th all time in rushing TDs, 36th all time in rushing yardage...which also puts him at under 10k yards, so it's not a number that would really stand out.

Loved the guy but I just don't see him getting to Canton unfortunately. The ring will help as will the pretty much undeniable fact that he'd have gotten a second ring if they would've done the logical thing and hand the ball to him last year.

Statistically though he just doesn't match up with most of the more recent RBs that have gotten in. His HOF speech would be hilarious, though.</font>

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Schefter said that among the most notable first time HOF eligibles for next year are Dawkins, McNabb, Jason Taylor, Tomlinson, and Ward.

Tomlinson has to be a first ballot guy. Has to. 4th all time in yardage, 2nd all time in TDs, and has the single-season rushing TD record which is probably never going to be broken.

Taylor will go in eventually but it'll be a wait for him, writers seem to be leery about overvaluing sacks, just ask Kevin Greene. Ward will go in at some point but T.O., Moss, Bruce, and Holt should all go in first. Dawkins deserves it but safeties are really underrepresented in the Hall, he might need to wait a couple of years but I do see him going in.

McNabb has virtually no shot. Supporters of his will cite that he has better career numbers than presumptive future HOFer Warner but Warner also has 2 MVPs and a ring. Fair or not I think it's going to be next to impossible to make the HOF as a QB without a ring unless you retire top 10 in TDs AND yards or something. And when you consider that Warner will go in and there are no less than 6 active QBs right now that appear to be locks it's going to be hard to get McNabb in.</font>

[Droford]

Lol Lesean Mccoy

According to the police report, two officers were hospitalized as a result of their injuries. Dave Schratwieser of WTXF-Fox 29 reported at least one officer suffered a fractured skull, with broken ribs and a broken nose being among the other injuries. There is video of McCoy, Brinkley and the officers being thrown out of the bar, but it does not appear as though surveillance captured the incident itself.

The police report indicates the argument began over a bottle of champagne, per Gonzalez.

[Droford]

lol The line about Flacco not helping may have been a drunken over-statement on my part. Still, the fact that you'll still try to pretend Flacco is even in the same atmosphere as Manning now that you don't even have the Super Bowl win argument to cling onto is silly. He's the greatest QB ever stats-wise and also has two rings. Joe Flacco had a fine run in the playoffs that one year. He generally kinda sucks horse cock.
Fact is the Denver Broncos could have won last night with their towel boy playing QB. If it wasn't for 2 years out of 18 Where he had a defense that played great in the playoffs (not even the whole year in the Colts case) hed be the modern day dan Marino with all the regular season stat records and the worst playoff QB ever (7 of 14 playoff wins in just 2 years)

[drave]

Fact is the Denver Broncos could have won last night with their towel boy playing QB. If it wasn't for 2 years out of 18 Where he had a defense that played great in the playoffs (not even the whole year in the Colts case) hed be the modern day dan Marino with all the regular season stat records and the worst playoff QB ever (7 of 14 playoff wins in just 2 years)


http://wthr.images.worldnow.com/images/9830239_G.jpg

[Droford]

Is take Eli over Peyton in the playoffs

[screech]

And Peyton will still [likely] be a first-ballot Hall of Fame guy.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>lol I loved that shot of Eli. You couldn't see Archie as much but what you could see of him it seemed he wasn't celebrating yet either.

Archie didn't celebrate when the Giants took the lead in Super Bowls 42 and 46 either. I think it's just a paranoia thing from having quarterbacked so many teams with shit-tier defenses. Eli himself knows from this year to not celebrate until the clock hits 0:00.</font>

[screech]

The contrast between Eli and the kid is awesome lol

[drave]

Is take Eli over Peyton in the playoffs


Gotta get to the playoffs first.

[owenbrown]

I am in love with ESPN not even acknowledging Lynch's retirement last night.

Just wait until Highly Questionable airs. They'll probably mention it.

[#1-norm-fan]

Fact is the Denver Broncos could have won last night with their towel boy playing QB. If it wasn't for 2 years out of 18 Where he had a defense that played great in the playoffs (not even the whole year in the Colts case) hed be the modern day dan Marino with all the regular season stat records and the worst playoff QB ever (7 of 14 playoff wins in just 2 years)

Yeah, Flacco never had a defense or anything...

Manning has taken his team to the playoffs with historicaly bad defenses. How did Flacco fair this season with a shitty one?

[#1-norm-fan]

Gotta get to the playoffs first.

Exactly. Something you're pretty much guaranteed to do with Peyton Manning on your team every single year. Might even win a couple championships, too. But nah, Joe Flacco.

[#1-norm-fan]

P.S. Dan Marino is a fuckton better than Joe Flacco, too. Saying "if it weren't for the fact that he actually had a team around him, he'd be Dan Marino" isn't really an insult. lol

[Droford]

Yeah, Flacco never had a defense or anything...

Manning has taken his team to the playoffs with historicaly bad defenses. How did Flacco fair this season with a shitty one?

The Ravens defense was ranked something like 18th thevyear they won the SB.

The Colts was ranked in the 20s but in 3 of the 4 playoff games (not inc the Pats game) they only gave up 2 offensive tds and scored a defensive TD and got 12 turnovers. Manning only had 1 TD and 6 ints in those 3 games.

In the Pats game, Manning had a 1 yard TD pass and a 1 yard run for TD. Hevthrew for 350 yards so this game is the only outlier in the 7 games he played to win thevtwo SBs.the other 6 games he played like absolute shit and got bailec out bybthe defense.

[Ruien]

Are you seriously trying to say Flacco is better than Manning? Or is this just a joke.

[#1-norm-fan]

Do you realize even with Joe Flacco's playoff performance in the year the Ravens won the Super Bowl, his playoff stats are virtually even with Manning's? 88.6-87.4 when it comes to QB rating. You really gonna cling on to that sliver of a difference as a victory for Flacco? That's really all you've got. A 1.2 difference in playoff QB rating to trump the ungodly advantage Manning has across the board elsewhere. lol

[#1-norm-fan]

Are you seriously trying to say Flacco is better than Manning? Or is this just a joke.

I was prepared to be fascinated by what Droford came up with to try to keep this going now that Flacco can't even claim a tie in the championship argument. I have not been disappointed.

[screech]

In a "debate" with my brother-in-law about Peyton > Eli. Quipped that Peyton is top 5 all-time. He countered with: Montana, Brady, Favre, Elway, and Marino. I was half kidding, but I'm too far in now lol

[screech]

I will probably just ignore it, but I like the top QB talk anyway.

[Droford]

Do you realize even with Joe Flacco's playoff performance in the year the Ravens won the Super Bowl, his playoff stats are virtually even with Manning's? 88.6-87.4 when it comes to QB rating. You really gonna cling on to that sliver of a difference as a victory for Flacco? That's really all you've got. A 1.2 difference in playoff QB rating to trump the ungodly advantage Manning has across the board elsewhere. lol

Flacco is theonly QB to put up a qb rating over a 100 in 4 games in same post season. For lsughs, i looked up Manning..he has 6 100+ qb rating playoff games out of 27 playoff games.
Flacco has 6 himself out of 15, including a 5th straight in the playoff game vs Pitrsburgh.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career_playoffs.htm

[poopfromweiner dude]

What do you guys think is going to come of Colon Kaepernick?

jets baby

[Ruien]

Yes, Flacco had 1 amazing run. That's awesome for him. 1 run in the playoffs does not define your entire career.

[#1-norm-fan]

Flacco is theonly QB to put up a qb rating over a 100 in 4 games in same post season. For lsughs, i looked up Manning..he has 6 100+ qb rating playoff games out of 27 playoff games.
Flacco has 6 himself out of 15, including a 5th straight in the playoff game vs Pitrsburgh.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career_playoffs.htm

And even with that, I repeat, their playoff QB ratings are just over a point off. You can focus on Flacco's good playoff games and Manning's bad ones all you want. You're still ignoring the fact that overall, there's virtually no difference between the two in the playoffs. You're clinging to that barely noticeable advantage really hard to overcome Manning being insanely better in every other aspect. lol

[Droford]

Yes, Flacco had 1 amazing run. That's awesome for him. 1 run in the playoffs does not define your entire career.He was good in the playoff lastbyear as well. 2 separate 14 pt leads on the Patriots in NE..couldnt hold em..

Hey thats another thing. Flacco has two wins in New England in the playoffs plus almost beat them 2 other times..how many times has peyton won in New England in the playoffs?

0-2..in fact the only other team to beat Brady in NE in the plsyoffs was the Jets. 15-3 at home..2-2 vs the Ravens

[#1-norm-fan]

... Seriously? lol

[Droford]

They made the point in the afc champ game that peyton had never won in ne and brady had never won in denver

Flaccos won both places

[Droford]

And even with that, I repeat, their playoff QB ratings are just over a point off. You can focus on Flacco's good playoff games and Manning's bad ones all you want. You're still ignoring the fact that overall, there's virtually no difference between the two in the playoffs. You're clinging to that barely noticeable advantage really hard to overcome Manning being insanely better in every other aspect. lol

Only reason its close is because Peyton has played 12 more playoff games than Flacco. You give Flacco 12 more playoff games and hes got 3 Super Bowl rings instead of just 1. Plus a hell of a lot more playoff wins than Manning..

[#1-norm-fan]

They made the point in the afc champ game that peyton had never won in ne and brady had never won in denver

Flaccos won both places

Well throw all the actual stats out the window. CHECKMATE!

[McLegend]

Lol

[#1-norm-fan]

Only reason its close is because Peyton has played 12 more playoff games than Flacco. You give Flacco 12 more playoff games and hes got 3 Super Bowl rings instead of just 1.

Go ahead and project what Flacco COULD do all you want. It doesn't mean shit. If you wanna deal in actual facts, they're neck and neck. And that's the only thing Flacco's even close to Manning in.

[#1-norm-fan]

Peyton Manning has 1 less playoff win in Baltimore than Joe Flacco. If Flacco didn't suck balls and was able to bring his team to the playoffs and get a first round bye at some point, Manning would have as many playoff wins in Baltimore as Joe Flacco.

Mmm. Convoluted Drostats.

[poopfromweiner dude]

What do you guys think is going to come of Colon Kaepernick?

jets babyColon's definitely going to return to #2013 form when he was doing Beats by Dre adverts and busting his nuts for 50 yard touchdown runs

but this time for the jets

right? OR is chip kelly going to want to play frankenstein with him? Texans? Who else needs a qb...

[#1-norm-fan]

Yes. Chip Kelly will keep Kaepernick.

But deep down he'll wish he had Joe Flacco playing QB for his team.

[Droford]

Peyton Manning has 1 less playoff win in Baltimore than Joe Flacco. If Flacco didn't suck balls and was able to bring his team to the playoffs and get a first round bye at some point, Manning would have as many playoff wins in Baltimore as Joe Flacco.

Mmm. Convoluted Drostats.

Joe Flacco most road playoff wins (7) in nfl history. 2 more than ELI Manning.

Peyton Manning. 2-5 on the road.

[screech]

Kap seems like a great fit for Chip Kelly's offense, tbh

[#1-norm-fan]

Joe Flacco most road playoff wins (7) in nfl history. 2 more than ELI Manning.

Peyton Manning. 2-5 on the road.

Cool stats, bro.

Nearly identical playoff stats as Peyton Manning, one less championship and about a million miles away when it comes to the regular season. Stop being an asshat and cherry picking the pro-Flacco stats as if they hold special weight. They don't. You're coming up with "road wins" and "wins in New England" as points in favor of Flacco while I'm literally just talking about overall stats. You're reaching. Even you can see it.

[road doggy dogg]

except he's kinda right

[#1-norm-fan]

About what? lol

[#1-norm-fan]

You can literally look up the playoff stats for both guys and see they're basically the same. If you wanna keep a "Flacco is amazing in the playoffs and Peyton sucks" narrative going though then you've gotta ignore that and pretend "games won in New England" or some other secondary stat is the important thing to look at. Which is pretty much what Droford's doing. And it's ridiculous.

Even if you hype up Flacco's playoff performance in the Super Bowl season, you have to admit that he needed that just to be on Peyton's level as a playoff performer. It's a demonstrable fact.

[Simple Fan]

This LaSean McCoy ordeal is great. Fucked them cops up.

[Droford]

You can literally look up the playoff stats for both guys and see they're basically the same. If you wanna keep a "Flacco is amazing in the playoffs and Peyton sucks" narrative going though then you've gotta ignore that and pretend "games won in New England" or some other secondary stat is the important thing to look at. Which is pretty much what Droford's doing. And it's ridiculous.

Even if you hype up Flacco's playoff performance in the Super Bowl season, you have to admit that he needed that just to be on Peyton's level as a playoff performer. It's a demonstrable fact.

Lol @ Peytons level as a playoff performer.
14-13 record
40 tds 25 its 7339 yards (272/g)
Had to win out this year to finish above .500
Take out Peytons 2 an run and he's 7-13

Joe Flacco
10-5 record
25 td 10 int 3223 yards (215/g)
Has never 1 and done in the playoffs (Manning holds the record with 9)
Take out the SB run and he's still 6-5
Conceivably Flacco with the same number of games in the playoffs could throw for more TDs, fewer interceptions and win more Super Bowls than Peyton Manning.

My only point in all of this not that Flacco is better than Manning..it's that Manning is extremely overrated QB who choked more often than not in the playoffs.

[Emperor Smeat]

Browns currently denying reports they lied about Johnny Manziel's season ending concussion to hide the fact he was drunk or hung over from an unknown drug as the reason why he was a mess during that week's team meetings.

Team says they have proof of him getting tested to show he had a concussion while other sources are saying other issues might have caused him to get a false positive with the tests.

[Emperor Smeat]

Aqib Talib currently facing the possibility of a suspension for next season for both the personal fouls he did during the Super Bowl and being dumb enough to go public saying he did it on purpose. Would fall under repeat offender status in terms of potential punishments.

Also for being dumb enough to not care what the NFL does since he got his ring.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25478547/talib-admits-face-mask-was-intentional-nfl-to-consider-suspension

[ClockShot]

Broncos supposedly gave Peyton Manning until March 9th to make a decision about his future.

[#1-norm-fan]

Lol @ Peytons level as a playoff performer.
14-13 record
40 tds 25 its 7339 yards (272/g)
Had to win out this year to finish above .500
Take out Peytons 2 an run and he's 7-13

Joe Flacco
10-5 record
25 td 10 int 3223 yards (215/g)
Has never 1 and done in the playoffs (Manning holds the record with 9)
Take out the SB run and he's still 6-5
Conceivably Flacco with the same number of games in the playoffs could throw for more TDs, fewer interceptions and win more Super Bowls than Peyton Manning.

My only point in all of this not that Flacco is better than Manning..it's that Manning is extremely overrated QB who choked more often than not in the playoffs.

So you're fine just finding ways to ignore the fact that their QB rating in the playoffs is almost identical? The one stat that literally encompasses everything they've done in the playoffs without taking out certain games just to help your case. Cool. It's pretty hopeless at this point to get anything through to you.

One more thing, since you're trying so hard to hype the "Peyton sucked when he won" thing. What were Joe Flacco's stats in that first OMGHUGE win in New England? Wanna look those up for me? Probably not. I mean, if were gonna ignore the overall stats and cherry pick what looks bad on the other guy, let's do that back and forth for a page and a half. lol

[#1-norm-fan]

On second though, you're the king of warping the stats to make them say what you want to say and might take me up on that offer. So let me be clear that I think that's a fucking retarded thing to do and will not ACTUALLY participate in it.

[Droford]

So you're fine just finding ways to ignore the fact that their QB rating in the playoffs is almost identical? The one stat that literally encompasses everything they've done in the playoffs without taking out certain games just to help your case. Cool. It's pretty hopeless at this point to get anything through to you.

One more thing, since you're trying so hard to hype the "Peyton sucked when he won" thing. What were Joe Flacco's stats in that first OMGHUGE win in New England? Wanna look those up for me? Probably not. I mean, if were gonna ignore the overall stats and cherry pick what looks bad on the other guy, let's do that back and forth for a page and a half. lol

Joe Flacco lost to the Colts in the playoffs on his 25th birthday. Up to that point then he was 3-2 in the playoffs after 2 seasons in the league. Peyton Manning through 2 seasons in the playoffs? 0-2.

He didnt even win his first playoff game until his 5th season, which was the same year in his career Flacco won 4 and the Super Bowl. Through 5 seasons? Flacco 9-4 Manning 2-4. Manning didnt win his first Super Bowl until the 8th year with a record of 7-6 needing the 4 wins to get there. This past year was Flaccos 8th season and hes 10-5.

So from 8th season on Manning was a .500 qb in the plsyoffs going 7-7 over 8 seasons including 5 1 and dones and 2 super bowl losses.

As far as his stats in the first 5 games flacco played, yeah horrible..but he has only had a QB rating less than 90 1 time (61 vs pittsburgh 2010) in the last 10 playoff games and over 100 6 times (same as Manning has had in 27 playoff games by the way). Flacco when hes made the playoffs, has gotten better. Peyton Manning, not so much..

[Droford]

The best thing is, if he retires I can keep dumping on Andy Dalton who is easily a worse playoff QB..hoping he breaks mannings 1 and done record..

[#1-norm-fan]

Well if Flacco can actually lead his team to the playoffs again, we can see if he can actually separate himself from Manning in playoff stats. Good luck with that. Keep clinging on to whatever you need til then, buddy.

[Ruien]

How many divisors has Manning won? How many SuperBowls? How many times has he got to the SuperBowl? When Flacco can compete with what matters then you will have a case.

[screech]

Is anyone factoring in the unibrow?

[road doggy dogg]

I love how this argument is still going after Manning turned in one of the top-5 worst SB performances of all time

[Droford]

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2016/02/americans-evenly-divided-on-super-bowl-brady-a-lightning-rod.html

And we put the great question of our times to the test and found that only 21% of NFL fans think Joe Flacco is a elite Quarterback- 35% think he is not and 44% have no opinion on the matter one way or another.

[drave]

I love how this argument is still going after Manning turned in one of the top-5 worst SB performances of all time


He did give props to the defense for leading the team all year in his post-SB speech. Seems aware of it and only said "we did what we did" when it came to offense.

Not that it matters or w/e. The W is a W is a W.

[#1-norm-fan]

No. You only look at wins and losses when they work AGAINST Manning. It's the way of the Manning hater.

Manning had the worst season of his career. You'd think that would put the guy who sucks so bad in the playoffs even further behind the guy who's so great in them. They're still neck-and-neck statistically. So if you wanna keep the Manning hate going , you've gotta ignore the stat comparison (or do that thing Droford does where he hypes up the positive Flacco stats and the negative Manning stats instead of just looking at the overall career playoff stats of both guys and calling it a day.)

So then you have to claim wins as the deciding factor. Which is pretty dumb in a team sport to begin with. But it can't be Super Bowl wins now because Manning has the lead in that one. I mean... Jesus Christ. lol

[Evil Vito]

Greaton Manning > Droford

[Droford]

No. You only look at wins and losses when they work AGAINST Manning. It's the way of the Manning hater.

Manning had the worst season of his career. You'd think that would put the guy who sucks so bad in the playoffs even further behind the guy who's so great in them. They're still neck-and-neck statistically. So if you wanna keep the Manning hate going , you've gotta ignore the stat comparison (or do that thing Droford does where he hypes up the positive Flacco stats and the negative Manning stats instead of just looking at the overall career playoff stats of both guys and calling it a day.)

So then you have to claim wins as the deciding factor. Which is pretty dumb in a team sport to begin with. But it can't be Super Bowl wins now because Manning has the lead in that one. I mean... Jesus Christ. lol

Amusing thing is you keep admiting they're neck and neck statistically in The playoffs. Only because Manning had the advantage of playing 8 more yearsbomb the playoffs (10 overall), most of which he was 1 and doning in the playoffs with Colts teams that were supposed to be super bowl contenders.

1998 3-13
1999 13-3 2 seed 1 and done
2000 10-6 6 seed 1 and done
2001 6-10
2002 10-6 5 seed 1 and done
2003 12-4 3 seed lost to NE in AFC Champ (2-1)
2004 12--4 3 seed lost to NE in Div Rd (1-1)
2005 14-2 1 seed 1 and done (started 13-0)
2006 12-4 3 seed won Super Bowl (4-0)
2007 13-3 2 seed 1 and done

The 10 years Peyton had 5 1 and dones including twice as the 2 seed and once as the #1.

[Innovator]

Giants released Jon Beason, Geoff Schwartz, and WILL BEATTY

[Evil Vito]

Good riddance to all of them. They're all injury prone as fuck.

[Innovator]

Saved about 12 million in cap space

[Evil Vito]

Giants are projected to have top 5 in the league in terms of cap space.

Guys like Muhammad Wilkerson and Alshon Jeffery should be in play in the event they don't get franchise tagged.

[#1-norm-fan]

Jesus Christ, Droford you're a broken record. How do you get called out on doing something so much and then just repeatedly do it again without realizing it? You have an insane lack of self-awareness. It's impossible to discuss anything with you. lol

[#1-norm-fan]

Also, one guy playing more playoff games than the other doesn't make his stats look better. That's the point of looking at stats like QB rating and averages. So you can fairly compare people who haven't played the exact number of snaps/games/seasons. If I was saying "He threw more total touchdowns in the playoffs!" then you might have a point. When looking at QB rating, "But he played more games!" is a really dumb response. Math.

[Evil Vito]

I hereby motion to change Droford's user name to Dro Flacco

[screech]

I could get behind the Dro Flacco change.

[#1-norm-fan]

I agree. It can be like a heads up for any new people who try to discuss football with Droford.

[Droford]

At least everybody knows already Andy Dalton sucks in the playoffs wont have to jake this argument for him

[Emperor Smeat]

ESPN Mag had a recent in-depth legnthy article on how the LA relocation process went and how heated the discussions became with issues going back 2 years. Also how Goodell lost complete control early on and couldn't stop the bickering and in-fighting between owners.

Jerry Jones got into a heated argument when he saw right through the Rams early deceptions with the owners. Rams owner implied a potential lawsuit against the NFL if they prevent his move.

At least one NFL executive likely sabotaged the Chargers/Raiders plan by leaking details of it to the Rams group. Either did it because of possible bribes and/or get more favoritism from the new owners.

Saints owner Tom Benson posed the first question about Inglewood, asking why owners should defray the costs of the extra real estate developments -- up to $200 million in league loans available for new stadiums -- that would benefit only Kroenke. But before Kroenke and Demoff could say a word, Grubman jumped in to answer the question, explaining that Benson misunderstood the amount of money the league would contribute.

The pro-Carson owners couldn't believe that a league official appeared to be speaking on behalf of the Rams' proposal. That moment, along with persistent rumors that Grubman wanted to work for Kroenke in Los Angeles, cemented in the minds of some owners that he was an agent for Inglewood.

A lot of the older owners hated how arrogant the Rams owner was in meetings and him not caring about the health of the league. Got their revenge on him by getting the NFL to mandate another team so the Rams couldn't get the entire LA market.

The final vote was between Rams-Chargers and Chargers-Raiders with the Rams only and Rams-Raiders options dropped. Owners picked Rams-Chargers mostly to protect the Chargers even if the deal was more favorable to the Rams. A lot of owners still hated how little the Chargers got in the end and being forced to drop Carson as a spot.

http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/14752649/the-real-story-nfl-owners-battle-bring-football-back-los-angeles

[ClockShot]

Matt Forte and the Chicago Bears have parted ways.

[Evil Vito]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/king-peyton-manning-squeaky-clean-image-built-lies-article-1.2530395

Welp...

[Droford]

Commence angry social media outrage campaign to get every compsny he shills to fire him.

[McLegend]

That's a known story already though.

[Ruien]

So he did something retarded as a teenager. Who cares?

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Fuck you.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

I know it's not the worst thing ever associated with the colts. Cough drug abuser dies in drug abuser Owner's house cough but it's pretty bad.

[Ruien]

Lol. STD negative relied me saying rape. He didn't rape her you fool. What he did was stupid as hell but I am not going to judge a person for something they did when they were 19 AND it was like 20 years ago.

[Ruien]

Do you believe no one on Tha Pats has a criminal history or a story like this? I guess you may actually believe that seeing how dense you are.

[Evil Vito]

ESPN employees have been told to not comment on the Peyton story at all, and there is nothing about it listed on their website. Go figure.

[Emperor Smeat]

A few teams are currently rumored to be interested in Denver's Brock <s>Lesnar</s> Osweiler while Denver is rumored to be hoping Peyton declines coming back next season. Denver is also rumored to be a bit worried on how expensive it might become to keep Osweiler if a bidding war starts.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/02/14/broncos-could-end-up-in-a-battle-over-brock-osweiler/

[Evil Vito]

Jesus...finally finished reading the official court documents.

It's bad. Not really much more to say. If you assume this is a case of "he just did something dumb in college" then I challenge you to read the whole thing and see if you come to that same conclusion. I could maybe buy that he just made a really stupid mistake had he fessed up to it right away. But the lengths he, his dad, and the school seemed to go to to try and make sure this never saw the light of day is pretty damn disturbing.

[Evil Vito]

And fuck USA Today and whoever had these documents for 20 years but never felt the need to release them. They almost certainly just felt Peyton was too popular to take down while he was still playing.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Do you believe no one on Tha Pats has a criminal history or a story like this? I guess you may actually believe that seeing how dense you are.

We had a murderer under contract when he killed at least two people. You are the person saying it's not a big deal because of Colt/Peyton fandom. It's a big deal. It didn't happen when he was a Colt so you could have said that instead of saying "it's not a big deal."

[Ruien]

It isnt. He did something stupid and then tried to cover it up. Seriously, he djd one stupid thing when he was in college. I guess you were a saint for your entire life.

[Ruien]

Meijers just trolled me. Seen what looked like to be Colts t shirts in the clearance bin for 3 dollars. Picked two out that I liked and then realized they were Lions t shirts.

[road doggy dogg]

oh good, NFL offseason is upon us so this thread is going to be utter trash for a few months

[ClockShot]

A few teams are currently rumored to be interested in Denver's Brock <s>Lesnar</s> Osweiler while Denver is rumored to be hoping Peyton declines coming back next season. Denver is also rumored to be a bit worried on how expensive it might become to keep Osweiler if a bidding war starts.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/02/14/broncos-could-end-up-in-a-battle-over-brock-osweiler/

Priority right now is retaining Von Miller. That's gonna take up a truckload of cash as it is.

Might not have enough to keep BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRROCK OS-WEILER if that's the case.

[Evil Vito]

It isnt. He did something stupid and then tried to cover it up. Seriously, he djd one stupid thing when he was in college. I guess you were a saint for your entire life.

Even if you were to write the incident itself off as some dumb college prank, that doesn't excuse the character assassination that the Manning camp attempted to put on the woman after it was over.

[poopfromweiner dude]

Can you link me to some of this heinous stuff @vito cruz

I'll read them and share my thoughts

[Evil Vito]

Can you link me to some of this heinous stuff @vito cruz

I'll read them and share my thoughts

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/king-peyton-manning-squeaky-clean-image-built-lies-article-1.2530395

The 74 page document is embedded right in the middle of the article and you can flip through accordingly.

[poopfromweiner dude]

I dunno

pretty boring, nice@ when she was giving him a physical and then he put his dick and balls on her face

[Evil Vito]

The Saxon affidavit and letter were probably the most telling things to me. Peyton really could have just apologized for the whole thing straight away and got a slap on the wrist (as is the case with important college athletes) and that would have been the end of it. Don't really see why he would go out of his way to try to bury this woman's reputation even years after everything was settled.

[Ruien]

Even if you were to write the incident itself off as some dumb college prank, that doesn't excuse the character assassination that the Manning camp attempted to put on the woman after it was over.

I would put more of that on Archie and his coaching staff at the time.

[Evil Vito]

Yeah, I'm sure Peyton had nothing to do with it whatsoever. Especially not when he decided to criticize her in his own book years after everything had been completed and a settlement reached.

[Evil Vito]

Colts and Packers announced for the Hall of Fame Game. Whoopdee fuck.

Rodgers has already sarcastically said he's stoked for it. He had to have known Green Bay would be playing with Favre headlining the HOF class though. They nearly always try to involve the teams that figure will draw the most fans to the HOF ceremony based on who's going in.

[Droford]

Cant wait for the Ravens in The HOF game in 2018

[Emperor Smeat]

Couple of recent NFL news:

* Kurt Cousins recently broke off talks with the Redskins in regards to a contract extension. Seems that neither side is close to agreeing to an amount and the Redskins are worried about having to use the franchise tag ($20 million) just to keep him off the market.

* Pats Jerod Mayo recently announced his retirement with part of the reason due to his injury prone body and the other part due to him probably getting released because of cap reasons ($11.4 million plus the $4 million roster bonus owed).

* Based on tax filing rules, Roger Goodell made around $34 million in 2014 as commish of the NFL. Due to the NFL dropping their tax exempt status last year, they are no longer required to publicly revealed how much money their commish makes every year and won't for what Goodell made last season. In terms of CBA stuff, Goodell has made around $142 million since the last CBA deal done in 2011.

[Ruien]

Yeah, I'm sure Peyton had nothing to do with it whatsoever. Especially not when he decided to criticize her in his own book years after everything had been completed and a settlement reached.

Putting more blame on someone else is still admitting there is blame on the other person. So, ya.

[Ruien]

Also in love with the three times I turned ESPN on reporters are saying they should be cover in the Manning story and he should not get a pass from the media. No shit ESPN. Maybe you should have been on the story the entire time if you feel so deeply about it.

[Evil Vito]

Cant wait for the Ravens in The HOF game in 2018

Not gonna lie, I kinda regret not heading to Canton for induction weekend in 2014. Mainly for Strahan of course because of how cool it was to watch someone where I saw basically his whole career go into the HOF. I couldn't really care less about the actual game but if I was going to travel all that way it'd have been nice to see my team while I was there.

I doubt Coughlin's eventual induction someday will be enough to get me to go. Maybe in like 10 years when Eli goes in and gives the most hilariously awkward HOF speech of all time.

[Evil Vito]

Jared Allen announces his retirement after 12 seasons.

[Heisenberg]

One of the few Panthers I respected. He was also a Viking, but a very respectable Viking. He was like Rob Riggle's athletic doppelganger

[Evil Vito]

Rams are going into rebuild mode as they head into LA. They've cut Chris Long, James Laurinaitis, and Jared Cook. Frees up $24 million in cap space.

Steelers TE Heath Miller has retired.

[Innovator]

Wouldn't be mad at the Giants taking a look at Laurinaitis

[ClockShot]

Damn. I wouldn't mind Lil' Animal being a Bronco. He'd fit right in, spiked pads and all.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

That's the kind of player the Pats usually sign. Veteran who got cut getting another chance to prove himself to be the man to get a huge deal the next year with another team.

[Emperor Smeat]

Colin Kaepernick staying with the 49ers at least for one more season after the team picked up his option for 2016.

[Emperor Smeat]

New York Giants defensive end Jason Pierre-Paul is suing ESPN and NFL reporter Adam Schefter for sharing his medical records on Twitter from a fireworks incident last July that caused him to amputate one of his fingers.

According to Julia Marsh of the New York Post, the lawsuit was filed in a Florida court Wednesday and says Schefter "improperly obtained" Pierre-Paul's medical chart, which shows the 27-year-old defensive end had his right index finger severed from his hand.

Sports Illustrated's legal expert doesn't think JPP is going to win mainly because of his status as a public figure due to sports and those protection rules not applying to the media. Schefter himself previously admitted he made a huge mistake making those records public.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2016/2/24/11111366/jason-pierre-paul-espn-lawsuit-giants-medical-records

[harmsway]

When is Josh Gordon eligible to be reinstated

[Droford]

Ravens are going to kick the tires on Trent Richardson. My guess is they're no good but who knows

[Emperor Smeat]

Couple of NFL news stuff:

Johnny Manziel currently looking at a court trial in the near future in regards to his domestic violence charges since the Dallas police have requested for a grand jury to hear his case.


Day after the 49ers decided to pick up his option for next season, Colin Kaepernick is asking for a trade out of San Francisco. Been rumored the team was going to trade him away regardless of the announcement since that was a big reason why his option was picked up.

[Evil Vito]

:lol: The Niners are the gift that keeps on giving

[screech]

Ravens are going to kick the tires on Trent Richardson. My guess is they're no good but who knows

I don't love the idea, but it would probably be league minimum for a year.

Yeah, it's still not a great plan.

[Nark Order]

I dont really blame Kap for wanting to leave. He's been treated like garbage and blamed entirely for a failing offensive system that was only partly his fault.

[#1-norm-fan]

Ravens are going to kick the tires on Trent Richardson. My guess is they're no good but who knows

Yeah, the tires were never the problem. Seeing two brick walls with a 100 foot gap between them and then driving directly into one was. How the fuck is he still even on any team's radar? lol

[Evil Vito]

What was already expected is now going to become official. Peyton Manning will announce his retirement this week.

[Evil Vito]

Tom Brady agrees to a 2-year extension through his age 42 season.

Congratulations Patriots, 2016-19 AFC East champions.

[Emperor Smeat]

NFL considering getting rid of the chop block entirely for next season. Currently it is only allowed by offensive linemen during rushing plays if they are in a specific position.

A chop-block occurs when one offensive player blocks a defender low while that defender is being blocked above the waist by another offensive player. The move already was illegal in many instances, but offensive linemen were still permitted to do so on running plays if they were lined up next to each other to start the play.

[ClockShot]

Saints release Marques Colston.

Not a bad pickup for someone looking for a good WR.

[ClockShot]

C'mon Von. Sign a long term deal so we can tag BRRRRRRRRRRRROCK and atleast have a backup plan for QB next season.

[ClockShot]

So much for that.

Broncos slap the Exclusive franchise tag on Von Miller.

[Emperor Smeat]

Kurt Cousins got paid big time after getting tagged by the Redskins. Went from making around $660k last season to now $19 million for next season.

[Emperor Smeat]

According to reports, Peyton Manning hinting he doesn't want to retire and there might be some bad blood between him and the Broncos over the issue.

Him returning a lot quicker than expected from the recent foot injury and then playing really well completely changed all plans he and the Broncos had for the future.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/03/01/peyton-manning-would-like-to-keep-playing-schefter-says/

[McLegend]

Hmm he didn't play that well.

[Ruien]

Broncos might get stuck with him if Brock gets pulled away. Should drastically decline his pay though.

[screech]

Bradford staying with the Eagles: 2/$36 million with $26 million guaranteed.

[Droford]

Broncos might get stuck with him if Brock gets pulled away. Should drastically decline his pay though.

Hes a 2 time super bowl winning qb though..