DC Universe Thread

[Lock Jaw]

Captain Atom, Resurrection Man, Voodoo, and Justice League International are being canceled.

To be replaced by Talon, Sword of Sorcery, The Phantom Stranger, and Team 7. So there will still be 52 titles.

[Lock Jaw]

So, next month DC Comics launches 52 new #1s! So make your picks now in the... DC Cancellation Pool! PM me ten picks of which books you think will be canceled first! Winner gets nothing!

I will make my picks publicly now so there is no accusations of me changing my own picks:

<s>1) Hawk and Dove</s>
<s>2) O.M.A.C.</s>
<s>3) Blackhawks</s>
4) I, Vampire
<s>5) Voodoo</s>
6) Batwing
7) Suicide Squad
8) Legion Lost
<s>9) Men of War</s>
10) Red Hood and the Outlaws

HALFWAY

[The Destroyer]

Need to cancel a few more titles to make way for some more Bat-books. Couple more of those wouldn't hurt at all.

[DaveBrawl]

I hope they don't cancel Savage Hawkman. It's not really that great, but it's kind of like the ugly puppy you love.

If you saw the art in the first couple of issues there's an extra emphasis on ugly.

[Lock Jaw]

Need to cancel a few more titles to make way for some more Bat-books. Couple more of those wouldn't hurt at all.

Talon is a spin-off of the whole Court of Owls thing.

[Nowhere Man]

FUCK. I was really liking JLI.

And wasn't Batwing already canceled?

[The Destroyer]

Talon is a spin-off of the whole Court of Owls thing.
I know, hence my horrible sarcasm. :'(

I can't see it lasting long.

[Tom Guycott]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4x0crvoMW1r7ni1io1_1280.jpg

J'onn in that suit in a school setting reminds me of Broxholm here, though I'm dating myself with that reference.

Bruce Coville, FTW!

[Kalyx triaD]

Speaking of:

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5h3axpybb1r7ni1io1_1280.jpg

OH SHIT

[The Destroyer]

Just watched Superman vs The Elite. Was "ok". Could have been a lot better.
Comixology (digital comics distributor with a rather nifty iPhone/iPad app) are doing a sale of issues related to the original storyline in comics to celebrate the release of this. Also doing a sale on stuff that "inspired" it, namely The Authority which I snapped up the entire first volume of.

Amazed how much I like reading comics in a digital format, but their tempting offers are sapping my wallet. :'(

[Kalyx triaD]

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[Kalyx triaD]

Jor-El's Suit:

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17pkuj53p5ak1jpg/original.jpg

Kal-El's Suit:

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17pkujb0sqv20jpg/original.jpg

Zod's su- KNEEL BEFORE ZOD:

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17pkuj53q5ljljpg/original.jpg

[Nowhere Man]

Still hate the no-trunks Superman suit, but I gotta say, Zod's suit looks awesome.

[JimmyMess]

If this was real.... I would watch this movie... epic stuff...

http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/271/1/f/jla_cg_concepts___prod__paints_by_danielaraya-d2znyg0.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/ff4g77.jpg
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[Kalyx triaD]

Yeah, I'd let Pixar do whatever they want with whatever they want. They have yet to fail.

[JimmyMess]

Superman vs. Mr. Incredible.

BOOK IT.

[Kalyx triaD]

Earth-2 Supergirl & Robin:

http://i.newsarama.com/images/wfine_cv0_previews_02.jpg

[Shadow]

The hell?

[Kalyx triaD]

Yeah.

[Lock Jaw]

Aside from the Alan Scott being gay thing, I have enjoyed the first two issues of Earth 2 and Worlds' Finest.

[Nowhere Man]

Aren't Power Girl and Huntress pretty much already doing the whole 'Superman and Batman but girls' thing on Earth 2?

[Kalyx triaD]

Guess not.

[Lock Jaw]

They were Supergirl and Robin of Earth 2, but "Five Years Ago" got thrown to Earth 1, where they have become Power Girl and Huntress.

[Kalyx triaD]

What?

[Lock Jaw]

In the new continuity.

[Kalyx triaD]

Ugh.

[Fignuts]

Yeah, I'd let Pixar do whatever they want with whatever they want. They have yet to fail.

The Cars movies are shit.

[Kalyx triaD]

I wouldn't say 'shit'. Part 2 was meh.

[Fignuts]

I have tried on three separate occasions to get through Cars, and I just can not do it. Bored out of my mind.

Someone put Cars 2 on at work, and if I had been at home it would have ended prematurely as well.

They can't even hang with most of the dreamworks stuff, let alone the other pixar films. Kind of pissed that there are now 2 sequels, and we've yet to get a second Incredibles.

[Kalyx triaD]

Would love another Incredibles, and they should catch that superhero wave right now.

[Krimzon7]

Superman vs the Elite isn't bad at all. Enjoyed this movie, although it's no Justice League: Doom

[Lock Jaw]

Batman will be showing up in Smallville Season 11 Comics. Along with Nightwing. Nightwing will be Stephanie Brown.

[Kalyx triaD]

Oh now the Batman shows up.

[parkmania]

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[Nowhere Man]

Very very happy with Superman vs. The Elite. Except for Superman's gigantic mongoloid chin.

[Kalyx triaD]

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http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5txojM7jz1r7ni1io1_1280.jpg

- "Legion of Dorks"
- Captain Cold shoots water.

[Lock Jaw]

Batman will be showing up in Smallville Season 11 Comics. Along with Nightwing. Nightwing will be Stephanie Brown.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/articles/1340204505.jpg

"Weird" costume.

[Nowhere Man]

Ewww.

[Lock Jaw]

At least Superman's costume is slightly better than it is in the main continuity:

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q223/Trrrath/015.jpg

[Nowhere Man]

I actually rather like that costume--at the very least, it doesn't have the stupid popped collar and armored plates of the New 52 Supes costume.

[Lock Jaw]

EPIC

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[Kalyx triaD]

Amazing.

[Lock Jaw]

I would MAIM to see Superman denounce his new costume in continuity.

[Kalyx triaD]

In that continuity that's the only costume he knows, though. He'd have no reason to just adopt something that looks like his old one.

[Lock Jaw]

The reason would be me MAIMING someone.

[Kalyx triaD]

Ah. I see.

[The Destroyer]

Oooh, shit is going down in Little League.

[Nowhere Man]

So I went ahead and wrote Part II of my "How to Build a Better Superman" concept pitch, since nobody told me not to. If you're so inclined, check it out here (http://bazzardthebazz.blogspot.com/2012/06/how-to-build-better-superman-part-ii.html).

And here's Part I (http://bazzardthebazz.blogspot.com/2012/05/how-to-build-better-superman-part-i.html) again if you didn't see it the first time.

[Kalyx triaD]

I shall.

[Nowhere Man]

Part III of "How To Build A Better Superman" is up. Dig it. (http://bazzardthebazz.blogspot.com/2012/06/how-to-build-better-superman-part-iii.html)

[Kalyx triaD]

http://i.newsarama.com/images/Batman_joker_Promo_02.jpg

[Kalyx triaD]

Episode 50 Fallout:

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[Kalyx triaD]

Honest to god the most entertainment DC 'book' for me right now.

[Lock Jaw]

Looking forward to the return of The Joker.

[Lock Jaw]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6keu8vaWt1r7ni1io1_1280.jpg

[Kalyx triaD]

Running through Young Justice right now. Most fun dialogue I've heard in a long time. Also a very 'smart' show.

[Krimzon7]

sadly, it's on hiatus until september. but it is a very smart show. Glad you are enjoying it.

[Krimzon7]

feeling the aster

[Kalyx triaD]

I'm so whelmed.

[Krimzon7]

Like you said, it's a smart show. They come back to that 'running joke' so much...and they just know you'll get it without Robin giving you the entire premise again.

BTW, I goddam fucking barbra striesand love the way robin is written. can't say I've ever had much interest in the boy wonder. But Dick Grayson is suddenly one of my favorite characters and I totally wanna follow him.

[Lock Jaw]

Just read Batman: Earth One by Geoff Johns and Gary Frank.

I enjoyed it. A lot of potential for sequels set in that "world".

[Kalyx triaD]

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[Kalyx triaD]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m72y51cCmm1r7ni1io1_1280.jpg

lol Oh boy.

[Nowhere Man]

So is anyone else keeping up with Action Comics at the moment?

Because WTF is up with--

Clark Kent being 'dead' and Superman starting a new secret identity? I mean, I get the in-character reasoning for it (bad guys might go after the people he cares about, so he wants to sever ties with them to keep them safe), but it doesn't work.

First off, his new identity (a firefighter named 'John Clark') doesn't even bother wearing glasses; his new disguise is a hat. And the whole reason Clark Kent works is because he's kind of a drip, to the point that no one would ever seriously suspect that such a dweeb could possibly be Superman. But 'John Clark' is running around saving people anyway, so that should make it even more obvious who he really is.

And secondly, Action Comics takes place a few years before the main Superman comic, right? And in the main Superman comic, he's still Clark Kent. So we already know in advance that at some point he's going to give up the John Clark identity and go back to being Clark Kent. Which renders this whole thing totally pointless.

I really liked the initial arc in Action, with Superman's origin and the re-design of Brainiac and all of that. But this arc is already putting me off because there's no reason for it.

Also, "Nimrod the Hunter?" Somewhere in the Marvel Universe, the Kravenoff family is preparing a hefty lawsuit.


And while I'm thinking about it, I'm gonna take a second to rant about the one-shot in Action Comics #9:

The stand-alone story about the Superman of Earth 23.

Okay, so on Earth 23, Superman's a black guy, and is also President of the United States. While his secret identity is 'Calvin Ellis,' it's implied that this Superman is basically a stand-in for Barack Obama. And Lex Luthor has to vociferously defend his enmity toward Superman by yelling "I'm not racist! It's everything else about you that I hate!" Now, I'm not going to go on a big lengthy political diatribe here, because I don't wanna make a big 'thing' out of it, but..........come on, really? I mean, it's admittedly not a very deep parallel since they don't bring up policy or anything other than "he's the President and he's black," but it's still there, and IMO it's meant to bait people into an argument over it.

Under Superman's administration, everything is awesome, and even when he's solving problems in-costume, he has a robotic double (controlled by Brainiac) handle crises as President. So yeah, Superman is in a position of essentially supreme power, with a cowed and obedient Brainiac as his servant. Where have I seen this before? (http://www.dccomics.com/graphic-novels/superman-red-son)

We've seen stories with Superman or a Superman-like figure in positions of total authority before, and it's always shown that that's a bad thing, that even the best man is prone to the corrupting of absolute power, and that even a well-meaning tyrant is still a tyrant. Here, though, it's celebrated, and a universe-hopping Lois Lane goes so far as to call him "Superman done right," basically stating that seizing power under false pretenses (his identity as Superman is still a secret), running a powerful shadow-government (since he has Brainiac running the show in secret), and using the Justice League to flat-out invade other countries (they're shown flying into Qurac and destroying their nuclear program) is perfectly okay--and not just okay, but ideal--as long as he's "on our side." At least Wonder Woman points out how hypocritical they're being, but still willingly goes along with it anyway. Who Watches The Watchmen, indeed.

Maybe it's just the rabid Libertarian in me, but I find that whole concept incredibly disturbing.

However, once I get past that (which isn't easy), there's another part of this comic that I thought was actually really clever. There's a parallel-universe version of Lois Lane, Jimmy Olsen, and Clark Kent who are traveling from universe to universe to escape their world's version of Superman, who was created by a thought-powered doohickey to be the peak of human ideals, but then was twisted into an evil and violent mockery of itself by their corporate backers to be more 'marketable.'

This was a pretty entertaining deconstruction of the typical "Superman needs to be dark and gritty" bitching about how they should tone down the character's idealism to make him more relatable and cool, and how doing so betrays everything that the character is meant to represent. Of course, they kind of overdid it by then making that Superman a big 90s robot-thing and having his symbol resemble a Swastika, but it was still a rather neat idea.

[Kalyx triaD]

And The Rock, our People's Champion... may end up portraying the Main Man himself.

[LuigiD]

So is anyone else keeping up with Action Comics at the moment?

Because WTF is up with--

Clark Kent being 'dead' and Superman starting a new secret identity? I mean, I get the in-character reasoning for it (bad guys might go after the people he cares about, so he wants to sever ties with them to keep them safe), but it doesn't work.

First off, his new identity (a firefighter named 'John Clark') doesn't even bother wearing glasses; his new disguise is a hat. And the whole reason Clark Kent works is because he's kind of a drip, to the point that no one would ever seriously suspect that such a dweeb could possibly be Superman. But 'John Clark' is running around saving people anyway, so that should make it even more obvious who he really is.

And secondly, Action Comics takes place a few years before the main Superman comic, right? And in the main Superman comic, he's still Clark Kent. So we already know in advance that at some point he's going to give up the John Clark identity and go back to being Clark Kent. Which renders this whole thing totally pointless.

I really liked the initial arc in Action, with Superman's origin and the re-design of Brainiac and all of that. But this arc is already putting me off because there's no reason for it.

Also, "Nimrod the Hunter?" Somewhere in the Marvel Universe, the Kravenoff family is preparing a hefty lawsuit.


And while I'm thinking about it, I'm gonna take a second to rant about the one-shot in Action Comics #9:

The stand-alone story about the Superman of Earth 23.

Okay, so on Earth 23, Superman's a black guy, and is also President of the United States. While his secret identity is 'Calvin Ellis,' it's implied that this Superman is basically a stand-in for Barack Obama. And Lex Luthor has to vociferously defend his enmity toward Superman by yelling "I'm not racist! It's everything else about you that I hate!" Now, I'm not going to go on a big lengthy political diatribe here, because I don't wanna make a big 'thing' out of it, but..........come on, really? I mean, it's admittedly not a very deep parallel since they don't bring up policy or anything other than "he's the President and he's black," but it's still there, and IMO it's meant to bait people into an argument over it.

Under Superman's administration, everything is awesome, and even when he's solving problems in-costume, he has a robotic double (controlled by Brainiac) handle crises as President. So yeah, Superman is in a position of essentially supreme power, with a cowed and obedient Brainiac as his servant. Where have I seen this before? (http://www.dccomics.com/graphic-novels/superman-red-son)

We've seen stories with Superman or a Superman-like figure in positions of total authority before, and it's always shown that that's a bad thing, that even the best man is prone to the corrupting of absolute power, and that even a well-meaning tyrant is still a tyrant. Here, though, it's celebrated, and a universe-hopping Lois Lane goes so far as to call him "Superman done right," basically stating that seizing power under false pretenses (his identity as Superman is still a secret), running a powerful shadow-government (since he has Brainiac running the show in secret), and using the Justice League to flat-out invade other countries (they're shown flying into Qurac and destroying their nuclear program) is perfectly okay--and not just okay, but ideal--as long as he's "on our side." At least Wonder Woman points out how hypocritical they're being, but still willingly goes along with it anyway. Who Watches The Watchmen, indeed.

Maybe it's just the rabid Libertarian in me, but I find that whole concept incredibly disturbing.

However, once I get past that (which isn't easy), there's another part of this comic that I thought was actually really clever. There's a parallel-universe version of Lois Lane, Jimmy Olsen, and Clark Kent who are traveling from universe to universe to escape their world's version of Superman, who was created by a thought-powered doohickey to be the peak of human ideals, but then was twisted into an evil and violent mockery of itself by their corporate backers to be more 'marketable.'

This was a pretty entertaining deconstruction of the typical "Superman needs to be dark and gritty" bitching about how they should tone down the character's idealism to make him more relatable and cool, and how doing so betrays everything that the character is meant to represent. Of course, they kind of overdid it by then making that Superman a big 90s robot-thing and having his symbol resemble a Swastika, but it was still a rather neat idea.

I have been following up with it.
To be honest, I subscribed to a few of the DC titles (including those 2) and I don't think I am renewing. Action Comics was ok for a bit..barely. But it has gotten boring/sloppy beyond belief.
The Superman title has some cool ideas here and there..barely actually. But its just a mess. In fact, most of the new 52 books are a mess except for a few. What a fucking tragedy.

[Lock Jaw]

Especially when the DC Universe was so freaking good just before they decided to reboot it.

[DaveBrawl]

Question, is it unusual for only certain titles to get "Annuals"? Like I've been getting Batman, Detective, Green Lantern, Superman and Savage Hawkman every month since they've rebooted and Hawkman is the only one without an Annual.

[Kalyx triaD]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7a26kiDEO1r7ni1io1_1280.jpg

[Kalyx triaD]

Little Ollie Commission/Concept:

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/s720x720/306697_237740289679937_1857365689_n.jpg

Hope he makes the series in what seems to be 'season 2'.

[Lock Jaw]

So, now apparently in The New 52, Tim Drake was never Robin, but always Red Robin. Pretty sure there have been references to him being Robin though.

[Nowhere Man]

Fuck that. Tim Drake was hands-down the best Robin, and they're completely taking that away from him?

Between this and them removing Wally West, yeah, fuck Dan Didio and the New 52.

[Kalyx triaD]

Ugh.

[Shadow]

At least I got my Timmy in Young Justice.

Take that away from me Didio and there will be words.

[The Destroyer]

Wonder how the timeline of that works now. Jason Todd gets beaten to death then Damien appears?

It kind of makes sense in a way, very hard to fit so many Robins into as short a period as the current books seem to be set from the "beginning". Otherwise pretty stupid.

[Kalyx triaD]

Like Little League, Young Justice is doing a service for DC. Hell, all of their movie/cartoon stuff is doing a service. Why? Because that DCnU shit hasn't gone mainstream yet. Man of Steel may be the start, though I believe a lot of that was decided before the big reboot (no trunks, edgier tone).

Once the DCnU starts bleeding into the 'toons and movies, it will be the end of all things. Good thing most mainstream media tend to be 5, up to 10 years behind what's going on in the comics.

[blake639raw]

But in the latest issue of Batman & Robin, it mentions that Drake was a former Robin.

[Lock Jaw]

Dunno. This info about him not being Robin came from the writer of Teen Titans at some Q&A panel at Comic-Con or something. So probably to be taken with a grain of salt.

[Kalyx triaD]

What a mess.

[Lock Jaw]

This doesn't have to do with DC Comics but...

Just read the first five issues of Brian K. Vaughan's new series "Saga". Incredibly messed up stuff, but I'm loving it.

[Nowhere Man]

Saga is goddamn incredible.

[Kalyx triaD]

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Also:

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7hfceNKzW1r7ni1io1_1280.jpg

[Kalyx triaD]

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[Optimus Bone 69]

a year of waiting not good not good at all

[Kalyx triaD]

With Jor-El speaking:

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[Lock Jaw]

Yyyyeahhh Superman. Really hoping it doesn't suck. I know that the costume sucks, but if the movie is good enough, I might be able to look past that.

[Nowhere Man]

I'm sold. Between that and the leaked footage I saw out of Comic-Con, sign me up.

Then again, as a fanatical Superman fan, I was already gonna see it anyway. Now though, I'm legitimately excited for it rather than just obligated.

[Kalyx triaD]

Link me that leaked footage, bastard.

[Kalyx triaD]

Justice League hinges on this movie's success.

[Shadow]

No Justice League hinges on weather or not DC/Time Warner realizes that to make a good team-up movie, you have to establish the other stars

[Kalyx triaD]

You establish the others stars with good movies. And just as he is fictionally, Superman is financially the key here.

[Nowhere Man]

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So, um......yeah.



Also, I should point out that at the MoS panel at Comic-Con, Snyder pretty much said that he's not interested in doing a Justice League movie. And I'm perfectly fine with that-- WB and DC should be more concerned with making the Superman franchise and anything else they're doing as good as they can possibly be on their own feet, instead of just trying to copy Marvel.

[Kalyx triaD]

I wouldn't call it copying Marvel, any more than Avengers was copying the Justice Society. It's a natural progression of a superhero movie-verse, that it's larger than each hero thinks upon their origin.

[Krimzon7]

Justice League hinges on this movie's success.

This, and yes. and GL should have a black guy for a JL team up. Just saying

[Kalyx triaD]

Looking at their plans for the doomed JL movie they attempted, GL Jon Stewart seems like a good guess.

[Kalyx triaD]

Alfred. Gordon. Lucius. Bruce . . . Wayne. Names that have come to mean so much to me. Today, I’m three weeks from saying a final good-bye to these characters and their world. It’s my son’s ninth birthday. He was born as the Tumbler was being glued together in my garage from random parts of model kits. Much time, many changes. A shift from sets where some gunplay or a helicopter were extraordinary events to working days where crowds of extras, building demolitions, or mayhem thousands of feet in the air have become familiar.

People ask if we’d always planned a trilogy. This is like being asked whether you had planned on growing up, getting married, having kids. The answer is complicated. When David and I first started cracking open Bruce’s story, we flirted with what might come after, then backed away, not wanting to look too deep into the future. I didn’t want to know everything that Bruce couldn’t; I wanted to live it with him. I told David and Jonah to put everything they knew into each film as we made it. The entire cast and crew put all they had into the first film. Nothing held back. Nothing saved for next time. They built an entire city. Then Christian and Michael and Gary and Morgan and Liam and Cillian started living in it. Christian bit off a big chunk of Bruce Wayne’s life and made it utterly compelling. He took us into a pop icon’s mind and never let us notice for an instant the fanciful nature of Bruce’s methods.

I never thought we’d do a second—how many good sequels are there? Why roll those dice? But once I knew where it would take Bruce, and when I started to see glimpses of the antagonist, it became essential. We re-assembled the team and went back to Gotham. It had changed in three years. Bigger. More real. More modern. And a new force of chaos was coming to the fore. The ultimate scary clown, as brought to terrifying life by Heath. We’d held nothing back, but there were things we hadn’t been able to do the first time out—a Batsuit with a flexible neck, shooting on Imax. And things we’d chickened out on—destroying the Batmobile, burning up the villain’s blood money to show a complete disregard for conventional motivation. We took the supposed security of a sequel as license to throw caution to the wind and headed for the darkest corners of Gotham.

I never thought we’d do a third—are there any great second sequels? But I kept wondering about the end of Bruce’s journey, and once David and I discovered it, I had to see it for myself. We had come back to what we had barely dared whisper about in those first days in my garage. We had been making a trilogy. I called everyone back together for another tour of Gotham. Four years later, it was still there. It even seemed a little cleaner, a little more polished. Wayne Manor had been rebuilt. Familiar faces were back—a little older, a little wiser . . . but not all was as it seemed.

Gotham was rotting away at its foundations. A new evil bubbling up from beneath. Bruce had thought Batman was not needed anymore, but Bruce was wrong, just as I had been wrong. The Batman had to come back. I suppose he always will.

Michael, Morgan, Gary, Cillian, Liam, Heath, Christian . . . Bale. Names that have come to mean so much to me. My time in Gotham, looking after one of the greatest and most enduring figures in pop culture, has been the most challenging and rewarding experience a filmmaker could hope for. I will miss the Batman. I like to think that he’ll miss me, but he’s never been particularly sentimental.

[Damian Rey]

So...been thinking of investing in a monthly comic book read, something I have never done. Is the New 52 Batman line worth it? Im a huge Bats fan, but if theyre still running with the whole RIP, battle for the cowl stuff, no thanks. Can someone give me some in depth advice?

[DaveBrawl]

They just finished up a crossover with all the titles called "Night of the Owls" so now would probably be a good time to jump on. They aren't running with anything like RIP or any of that everything seems to be pretty much the status quo since the new 52 started. It's been a pretty good book, nothing groundbreaking but still good.

[Lock Jaw]

http://i.newsarama.com/images/Batman_joker_Promo_02.jpg

This is probably a good place to start. Staring with Batman #13.

In general, Batman has been good. Not as good as it was prior to The New 52 (after the RIP/Battle for Cowl stuff).

[Damian Rey]

Awesome. Ill def look into it.

[Kalyx triaD]

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[Kalyx triaD]

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[parkmania]

Lobo creator and comic and animation writer Roger Slifer was moved to Barlow Respiratory Hospital, a long term acute care hospital, last Friday, according to a Facebook post by his cousin Emma Slifer. Barlowe is expert in weaning patients off ventilators; Slifer has been on a ventilator since the hit and run accident that critically injured him in June (see "Lobo Creator in Critical Condition"). He remains in a coma, although seizures that had plagued him until recently have abated, according to the post. Some other improvements have also been noted.



Police are searching for the hit and run driver, and artist Tone Rodriguez has created a drawing of Lobo to assist in the search and in helping Slifer cover his expenses, which is now being auctioned on eBay by Hero Initiative.

[Damian Rey]

LGonna subscribe to atleast one monthley today. Read Batman and Robin volume 1 the other day, and I like Bruce and Damian's dynamic, so I may run with that AND the singular Batman title that have. The deals arent bad, $35 up front at most for 12 issues at 40 pages per. Excitement :)

[Lock Jaw]

Batman and Robin volume 1 was Dick Grayson and Damian though.

I have found that Bruce and Damian don't seem to have as much chemistry. Not as interested in Damian as before. I am pretty behind on Batman and Robin, though, so it could maybe have gotten better.

[Damian Rey]

The volune I read was labled New 52 and was Bruce and Damian. I liked it alot. It focuses on Bruce learning how to be a dad rather than a leader/boss. Damian being a difficult, blunt,sarcastic, unholy killing machine is cool. I like him thus far.

[Lock Jaw]

Ohhhh you mean you read the volume one TPB of the current series. Gotcha.

[Damian Rey]

Well, just got done subscribing to the monthly "Batman" title. 12 issues, $30. Pretty excited. If I get last month's issue, I start off with the "Night of Owls" epilogue and intro into the new storyline. If not, I believe I get the Joker's return. I can pick up a copy of July's issue if need be. I am admittedly amped right now.

[Kalyx triaD]

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[Damian Rey]

Read the "Night of Owls" graphic novel yesterday to catch up with whats going on in the Batman run. Pretty interesting stuff. Enjoyed it. Gonna read the volume 1 graphic novel of detective comics to catch up with the Dollmaker/Joker storyline today.

[Kalyx triaD]

Ignorance is Bliss: A Nightwing cartoon by Legend of Korra's Director:

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17v4ztzc8x53ujpg/original.jpg
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17v4ztzcaq6f8jpg/original.jpg
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Apparently it was this or Young Justice, which is win-win as far as I'm concerned.

[Nowhere Man]

That......that just stings.

I mean, I love Young Justice. It's one of the best superhero cartoons out there. But a Nightwing cartoon, by the Avatar/Korra crew? That would've been immense.

[Kalyx triaD]

That Nightwing model is badass as hell. Raven looks cool, too, and I imagine she'd get her usual garb later.

Ah well.

[Kalyx triaD]

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[Kalyx triaD]

Just saw the first two episodes of Green Lantern: TAS. That shit is legit.

[Krimzon7]

The Red Lanterns mean business.

[Kalyx triaD]

So Ben Afflect is the only director who read the Justice League script (and why the fuck is that, by the way). This could be a good thing, though, as he is one of Hollywood's genuine nerds.

[Damian Rey]

To his credit, Afflek has really ressurrected his career with some really quality efforts. Not sure how I feel about a JL movie.

[Heisenberg]

Affleck was the bomb in Phantoms

[Krimzon7]

but directing a JL film? The town was good, this movie he has coming out about the confidential mission or whatever the fuck looks meh. I don't wanna trust him with a JL film.

Wait, lol....SILLY ME. There's no single character established for a JL project. Why is there even a script/treatment for JL when Green Lantern sucks, superman needs a reboot and Batman(which was genius) needs somebody to pick up the cowl? Are they gonna work backwards from this script in order to bring all the players into the mix? Are they gonna just throw them into a 3 hour clusterfuck? What will DC Do?

[Lock Jaw]

Sadly, I could see them trying to do a JLA film without Superman/Batman.

Using the "JLA: Year One" team. Flash, Green Lantern, Aquaman, Martian Manhunter, and Black Canary.

[Krimzon7]

Sadly, I could see them trying to do a JLA film without Superman/Batman.

Using the "JLA: Year One" team. Flash, Green Lantern, Aquaman, Martian Manhunter, and Black Canary.

this would bomb mightily. This sounds like Justice League: The Watchmen

[Kalyx triaD]

WB will fashion JL as an inverse of what Marvel did with Avengers. It will introduce major players and they will spin-off into movies rather than converge. The only guy who will be established will likely be Henry's Superman. This is their best bet, as it kills a few birds with one stone (Wonder Woman, Flash, new Batman, new Green Lantern, etc). I like that idea.

[Damian Rey]

I personally have no interest in a JL film. At all. I think it would be a mistake to do a JL film with the intention of spinning it off into character singles. DC should just focus on making strong, standalone films with their characters.

[Kalyx triaD]

What's their batting rate, though? Green Lantern bombed and they won't even try their other heroes. They felt Superman Returns failed (expectations were kind of unrealistic) and their ace in the whole just wrapped up. JL could be a fresh start for them, so long as Man of Steel delivers first.

Marvel Studios has done no wrong in my eyes as of yet. None of their movies are as moving as any of Nolan's Batman films, or rated as high, but consistency is their ace in the whole. As well as, something Phil Coulson would agree with - Conviction. If WB dealt with the Iron Man series they'd reboot it after seeing part 2 didn't do as well as part 1. They have no confidence in their properties and turn tail the second something isn't what they imagined.

Rather than look for lightning in a bottle, I think their entire DC movies division needs to get shaken up with new leadership. They made changes with their DC Entertainment brand but they still have no aim with the movies. Look how their animated movies are with Bruce Timm pretty much running the show; consistent quality, great at best and at worst good. Their movie end has no such vision and control.

They simply can't focus on making a strong, standalone film. They don't know how despite Nolan's contributions.

[loopydate]

but directing a JL film? The town was good, this movie he has coming out about the confidential mission or whatever the fuck looks meh. I don't wanna trust him with a JL film.

Wait, lol....SILLY ME. There's no single character established for a JL project. Why is there even a script/treatment for JL when Green Lantern sucks, superman needs a reboot and Batman(which was genius) needs somebody to pick up the cowl? Are they gonna work backwards from this script in order to bring all the players into the mix? Are they gonna just throw them into a 3 hour clusterfuck? What will DC Do?

Knowing DC, it will be convoluted as hell with 11 different Flashes and a math problem that turns people into zombies.

[Krimzon7]

Are they gonna work backwards from this script in order to bring all the players into the mix?

I feel like an uber genius posting this blind before the clarification. :cool:

[Kalyx triaD]

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[Kalyx triaD]

New DCnU villain seems like a combination of Bizarro and Superboy Prime:

http://i.newsarama.com/images/sg_cv14_02.jpg

[Kalyx triaD]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8q6gugWWt1r7ni1io1_1280.jpg

[Fignuts]

I liked it better when it was just comedy.

[Kalyx triaD]

I really dig this arc actually.

[Krimzon7]

me too. a LOT

[LuigiD]

For those interested..
http://www.tanga.com/deals/DC-comic-book-sale?utm_source=GAN&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=Slick%20Deals&utm_content=Ban

is running a DC comics sale. Subscriptions for about 13 dollars a piece.

Good deal IMO.

[Kalyx triaD]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8vpovohJD1r7ni1io1_1280.jpg

Got mushy way too fast, I would have liked some conflict.

[Krimzon7]

THis could set up for an epic fight when Clark comes in trying to woo Diana and PG goes nuts.

Or they could laugh it all off and they'll double date with WW and Bats.

[Kalyx triaD]

That's right, Clark does seem to like Diana.

Oh yeah.

[Damian Rey]

So...it's been two weeks since I purchased a subscription to a monthly Batman read and still, no august issue has arrived at my door step. For anyone who's been a subscriber before, is this the norm?

[DaveBrawl]

I haven't had a subscription with DC, but I know with magazine subscriptions I've done it's taken closer to 4 or 5 weeks for them to update my info so they may not have you in their system yet.

[Damian Rey]

Hope thats the case since otherwise I'd be nearly a month behind and I paid upfront for a years worth of issues. If nothing else, I was hoping for copies arriving the day of release.

[blake639raw]

Read the "Night of Owls" graphic novel yesterday to catch up with whats going on in the Batman run. Pretty interesting stuff. Enjoyed it. Gonna read the volume 1 graphic novel of detective comics to catch up with the Dollmaker/Joker storyline today. I wouldn't. The Joker storyline will be continued in upcoming issues of Batman by Scott Snyder. Tony Daniel just set it up with Detective Comics #1. Detective Comics has pretty much sucked in the New 52. Tony Daniels is not a very good writer, but luckily some new guy is writing Detective now.

[Damian Rey]

Detective Comics vol. 1 was great to start and died out after the Dollmaker cliffhanger. It was really tough to continue on through. I'm glad the Joker is getting moved to my subscription.

[Kalyx triaD]

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[Lock Jaw]

CW has cast this chick:

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to play Huntress on Arrow.

Entertainment Weekly reports that the character will be featured in a "multi-episode arc" in the series, starting around episoe six. According to the character description, "Helena is a potential love interest for Oliver Queen; a fellow vigilante, set on destroying her father’s organized crime empire. But Helena’s blind pursuit of revenge will put her on a collision course with the Arrow."

[Kalyx triaD]

I would have went with a latina.

[Lock Jaw]

Why?

[Shadow]

...Huntress is Italian you fucking tard.

[Fignuts]

Calm down, shadow.

[Lock Jaw]

But this is serious business.

[Lock Jaw]

In other good news, it appears as if Rob Liefeld has quit DC comics. :y:

[Kalyx triaD]

I think the Huntress would be better as a latina. That's all.

[Kalyx triaD]

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17wrfhl6wxe4fjpg/original.jpg

[Lock Jaw]

Of course it has to involve bondage.

[Nowhere Man]

In other good news, it appears as if Rob Liefeld has quit DC comics. :y:

That just made my day.

[Shadow]

For his sanity btw.

[Shadow]

I think the Huntress would be better as a latina. That's all.

Shame the character when she was rebooted, cause the original was Helena Wayne Bruce and Selena's kid, was ITALIAN CAUSE SHE'S THE DAUGHTER OF AN ITALIAN MOBSTER YOU STUPID FUCKING IGNORANT FUCK! I OUTTA GO DOWN TO MIAMI, GRAB YOUR THOR HAMMER AND SHOVE IT DOWN YOUR THROAT AND DECLARE MYSELF THE NEW GOD OF THUNDER! YOU GOT ME YOU ASSHOLE!? HUH!? HUH!?

And then I had a heart attack.

[Kalyx triaD]

I like latinas. Damn.

[Shadow]

DIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIE!

[Krimzon7]

Superman is just a fucking mountain of a man. I always marvel at how he's drawn.

[dronepool]

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17wrfhl6wxe4fjpg/original.jpg

Lame.:-\:-\:|

[Fignuts]

In other good news, it appears as if Rob Liefeld has quit DC comics. :y:

Horrible news.

My Marvel comics were safe with him in DC.

[Nowhere Man]

For some reason, I never like it when writers decide to make Superman and Wonder Woman a couple. For starters, because I don't buy the whole argument that Clark shouldn't be with Lois just because they can't fuck--first of all because that's an incredibly shallow way of looking at things, and secondly because they've come up with tons of ways around that over the years.

And I dunno, maybe I've got an angry-militant-feminist in my head or something, but it always kinda seems to cheapen Diana when they take Wonder Woman, who's supposed to be the idyllic model for women to aspire to, and say "eh, make her Superman's girlfriend."

[Kalyx triaD]

Robby is airing it all out. Can he do this? (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/rob-liefeld-dc-editorial-tweets.html)

[Lock Jaw]

Just reread Superman: Ending Battle. Man, forgot what a cop out the ending of it is.

[Lock Jaw]

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[Damian Rey]

I wish they weren't doing it as a two parter. But I'm exited nontheless.

[Lock Jaw]

More about Supes/Wonder Woman:

It seems this "new status quo" is quite serious. In an interview with the Associated Press, Johns and Lee hinted that the other elephant in the room, Lois Lane's previously-thought destined relationship with Clark, simply doesn't exist. AP writer Matt Moore even went so far as to say "She's still around, but the two have never dated, nor are they likely to."

:nono:

[Fignuts]

I don't see the big deal.

At some point the original continuity will return, and clark will be with lois again.

[Kalyx triaD]

Yeah Earth-2 and all its parallel universes will return, and the DCnU will exist as a new Earth. DCnU Earth-2 will likely be rebranded at this point.

I'm 100% sure of this, and not in a sarcastic way.

[Nowhere Man]

I've been saying from the very beginning that the DCnU is doomed, so I fully expect the regular DCU to return within the next couple of years.

In the meantime, here's my latest blog article bitching about how WW/Supes is an awful idea on every level. (http://bazzardthebazz.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-bazz-vs-superman-and-wonder-woman.html)

[Lock Jaw]

Sadly, at this point I don't see the pre-Flashpoint DCU ever coming back. I can certainly see the current continuity changing and evolving over the years to be more like it, but I don't think they will just drop everything and bring back the old.

[Kalyx triaD]

They've done it a million times with big changes to characters and storylines and more than once overturned reboots/retcons that were supposed to last. I admit reverting from such a large reboot would be unprecedented, and kinda embarrassing, but I find that their mulit-Earth thing always gave them a card they can play when things go sour enough.

This is a comic universe where relaunches are also canon because of that detail.

[Fignuts]

I've been saying from the very beginning that the DCnU is doomed, so I fully expect the regular DCU to return within the next couple of years.

In the meantime, here's my latest blog article bitching about how WW/Supes is an awful idea on every level. (http://bazzardthebazz.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-bazz-vs-superman-and-wonder-woman.html)

I read your article and I have a few things to say about it.

Firstly, everything you said about Superman being grounded by being attached to Lois Lane is absolutely true. That said, it doesn't make it a bad thing, that he's not with her anymore.

If it was the original universe, I would agree. But what is the point of a new universe, with a new superman, that is exactly the same as the old one? I am interested to see how this new superman, without that humility and humanity he gained from his relationship with lois, handles himself in different situations.

As for labeling Wonder Woman as "just superman's girlfriend", I think it's unfair to do so until we can actually see her role in the relationship. I don't think it's fair to say it diminishes her role as a strong, independent woman just because she has a boyfriend.

I mean if she's in an apron making superman a sandwhich next issue, then yeah, sure. I'mn going to wait to see what her role in the relationship is. It's very possible that she will indeed end up being portrayed as "just superman's girlfriend". It's also possible, however, that she will be presented as an equal in the relationship. I feel we could get some good stories out of that.

I guess I've always thought that alternate universes were exactly the place to try stuff like this. We all know that the original DCU will return at some point. So I don't see the harm in trying different stuff. If it works, great. If it doesn't, well no big deal. No harm done.

I also hate this knee jerk reaction, that comic fans have toward stuff like this. When the Winter Soldier was revealed as Bucky, I must have had 20 conversations where I said "Let's just wait and see how it's written". But everyone ignored me and called out bloody murder for this "blasphemy".

Then what happened? The Winter Soldier story, and the entire run for that matter, became one of, if not the best Cap runs in history.

Any concept, no matter how much it seems it won't work, can be turned into a great story with the right writing. I absolutely refuse to condemn a decision until I see how it's written.

[Kalyx triaD]

Giving Batman a son gave me my favorite Robin.

[Fignuts]

Plus, we don't even have any clue where this is going. This relationship with Diana could go horribly wrong for the simple reason they are both superheroes, and that experience is what could lead him to seek out a relationship with a human like lois. To give himself all the qualities that the relationship with lois in the dcu gives him.

So let's all calm the fuck down.

[Fignuts]

Giving Batman a son gave me my favorite Robin.

Yeah, exactly. I'm always hesitant about stories like that, but like always, I gave it a chance, and Damien turned out to be a fantastic character.

[Nowhere Man]

Eh. I'm not a fan of Damian. But that's mostly because I'm a big Tim Drake fan, and Damian being there means that Tim has been all but kicked out of the Bat-Family and given a really stupid new name and costume.

And I'd be a lot more willing to give the whole Superman/Wonder Woman thing a chance if they weren't so absolutely blatant about it just being a publicity stunt. Not to mention it shows there's little to no communication between the writers, since Azzarello was very clearly trying to put Wonder Woman together with Orion in her own comic, before they announced "Nope, she's with Superman now!"

And frankly, I don't want to give it a chance. I've been pretty constantly disappointed in the New 52 ever since it was announced. And I'm getting sick of them announcing "shocking changes to the status quo" seemingly every other week. The whole thing just reeks of being a cheap gimmick.

[Lock Jaw]

I wasn't a fan of Damian until he actually became Robin with Dick Grayson as Batman. Then I loved him. I also liked Tim as Red Robin, his series was good, and I liked him evolving as a hero like Dick Grayson did.

Have not enjoyed Damian so much in the new 52. Dunno. He just worked better with Dick Grayson then with his father. I am behind in Bat-Stuff, so he could have got better again.

Oh yeah, and new 52 Tim Drake is just a big mess with a crappy costume.

[Kalyx triaD]

So there was gonna be a Justice League/Transformers crossover(!):

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17xkngqhqv0zojpg/original.jpg
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[Shadow]

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/20066/1228268-green_lantern_optimus_prime.thumbnail_super.jpg

[Nowhere Man]

That could've been pretty awesome.

[Lock Jaw]

They did do an Avengers/Transformers crossover a few years back.

[Kalyx triaD]

Still wtf out by that.

[dronepool]

I like Damian and Tim. New 52 totally fucked over Tim.

[Fignuts]

I've got New Avengers/Transformers. Still need to read it, but the art looks fantastic, which gives it a leg up on all most of the rest of these types of crossovers.

Remember DC vs Marvel looking like absolute dogshit, and being like "really? Biggest crossover in comics history, and this is what it looks like?".

[Fignuts]

Fucking 90's, I swear to god.

X-men was fantastic, everything else blew chunks.

[Fignuts]

Onslaught notwithstanding.

[Lock Jaw]

Reading a Superman comic from 2003. Writer gave him Super-Smell for whatever reason. Never seen him have a super sense of smell before.

[Kalyx triaD]

There was comic where Superman got high (comically implied, of course) from some rare king of K, and was able to smell fresh baked brownies in the mid-west from the Watchtower. Logic (even by comic standards) aside, I thought it was funny.

I suppose he would have super smell, I wouldn't call that crazy.

[Lock Jaw]

Over the past year and a half I have been slowly reading every Superman comic from 1985 (Man of Steel Post-Crisis Reboot) onwards. Currently in 2003. I should have been documenting my process, pointing out notable stories from each year. Too late for that, though. Not gonna start now.

[slik]

I'm ok with Super-Wondy but I'm just indifferent to the DCn52 outside of Snyder's Batman and Azzarello's Wonder Woman.

I am curious to see where this Shazam nonsense is headed though.

[Lock Jaw]

Just finished reading the Supergirl/Linda Danvers series by Peter David. It is quite good. Shifts tone a couple of times but manages to stay pretty sweet. Sad that the character is gone now.

Peter David has said that if the series wasn't canceled, it would have become a Birds of Prey type book, with a cast of Linda Danvers as Superwoman, Kara Zor-El as Supergirl, and Power Girl. Would have loved to see that.

[Kalyx triaD]

That sounds cool.

[LuigiD]

:shifty:
http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/attach/1/39471468d0c2f6ada1_0.jpg

[Kalyx triaD]

The pages with Megatron and Spider-Man were interesting.

[Fignuts]

Just read the first two issues, and it was the drizzling shits. Like, literally the worst fucking thing I've read in years.

And whoever decided to use Jim Cheung for 1 cover, and not the book itself, is a fucking imbecile. Art is generic looking trash. Think I've seen hostess ads more impressive.

[Kalyx triaD]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m98ls0MRJ31r7ni1io1_1280.jpg
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New Page (http://jl8comic.tumblr.com/)

[Lock Jaw]

It looks like Wonder Woman might be making a return to prime-time network television — again.

More than a year after NBC passed on a Wonder Woman pilot, Vulture reports that a new series starring the DC icon is in very early development at The CW, with the working title of "Amazon." It's said to be at the script development stage at this point, written by Allan Heinberg — a TV and comic book veteran, whose credits include The O.C. and Marvel's Young Avengers, plus a 2006 run on the Wonder Woman comic book.

The series is said to be a Smallville-esque take on the character, depicting Wonder Woman's early days. Wonder Woman became a household name with the Lynda Carter-starred series that ran on ABC and later CBS for three seasons, from 1976 to 1979; Ally McBeal creator David E. Kelley's 2011 Wonder Woman pilot starring Adrianne Palicki received a mix of abundant pre-release hype and persistent bad buzz, and was ultimately not picked up as a series.

The CW, and its predecessor The WB, has a long history with live-action adaptations of DC Comics properties. Young Superman series Smallville ran for 10 series between WB and CW before wrapping up in 2011, and the short-lived Birds of Prey aired on the WB in 2002. Arrow, based on Green Arrow, is set to debut on The CW on Oct. 10.

*shrug*

[Shadow]

Arrow and now Amazon....they really want to have lighting strike twice like they had with Smallville.

[Kalyx triaD]

Well okay, hope this works out for them.

[dronepool]

Why not just reach into the bottomless money pit of WB and work on a good, live Batman show and not spend money on stuff like "Beware The Batman" and just produce a JLA cartoon in the same universe as Batman: The Brave & The Bold?

[Kalyx triaD]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9y1ewpttu1r7ni1io1_1280.jpg

[slik]

I like Damian and Tim. New 52 totally fucked over Tim.

I'm curious what they will retcon about Tim in Teen Titans #0, in which his background is the focus.

Here's the solicitation:

Focusing on the origin of Tim Drake; how a would be Olympic star and computer genius went on to become Batman’s third Robin.

[The Destroyer]

So much for him never being Robin then.

[Sixx]

Hey, what the fuck happenned to the thread title?

[The Destroyer]

I hadn't even noticed. Change it back!

[Sixx]

This used to be my favourite thread.

Now the magic's gone.

[Lock Jaw]

I like it

[Schlomey]

I don't read DC Comics (except maybe a Batman now and then) but I'm very excited for the new tv show on the CW network called "ARROW" ...Holy balls it looks decent ..especially for the CW.

[Kalyx triaD]

Yeah Arrow looks pretty good. Huntress and Deadshot being in there makes me excited, as they were talking like the show wasn't gonna acknowledge the DCU.

[Kalyx triaD]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma8wy4lFFm1r7ni1io1_1280.jpg

[slik]

I gathered from bleedingcool.com DC has already retconned itself with the zero issues of Superboy and Demon Knights. That only took a year.

Fail.

[Wehttam]

kalyx, im enjoying this comic you have been posting.

is the bookstore clerk a dc character too?

[Kalyx triaD]

He's real life writer Neil Gaiman, who has epic nerd cred similar to Joss Whedon, but more international.

[Nowhere Man]

Though now that I think about it, I don't think Gaiman has ever actually written Superman or Wonder Woman, which kinda makes him an odd choice to be the guy who Clark goes to to get a book for Diana. If it were Alan Moore, maybe, but this seems kinda, I dunno......forced.

[Kalyx triaD]

Or it's just a cool cameo.

[Nowhere Man]

I guess, but so far everyone in the comic has been pretty strictly in-universe. Why break the fourth wall and start introducing people from the real world now?

I mean, I'm hoping there's a specific and integral reason for this-- especially since Gaiman's pretty legendary for his own metafictional writings, about the nature of storytelling and what characters and stories mean to us in the real world, etc. Little League hasn't let me down yet, and they've got the potential to do something really really cool here. If it's just for the sake of a cool nerd-cred cameo, then it's a real wasted opportunity.

[loopydate]

Maybe Sandman winds up involved somehow, either in the story or AS the story Clark buys.

[Nowhere Man]

I'm down with that. Sandman was awesome. And it's technically still in-universe since it took place within the DCU.

[dronepool]

Batman The Dark Knight Returns Part 1 is on streaming sites. Only 30 min and I plan on buying it.

[Rammsteinmad]

What's with all these comic francises lately not going with the character name, but trying something more dramatic, more striking, and more gay?

Smallville was a one-off that worked, I guess... but "Arrow"? "Amazon"? Not DC, but even the new Judge Dredd movie is just called "Dredd". Seriously feels like the next bunch of Marvel movies will be called "The Spider" and "X". :nono:

Also, not trying to sound like a dick, I like DC comics and all, but I just feel that nobody gives a shit about Green Arrow or Wonder Woman. It's either Batman or Superman.

[Kalyx triaD]

That's what they're trying to solve.

[Schlomey]

My boss surprised me with the first three issues of Batman: Incorporated. He knew I loved comics but he didn't know which books I read. I just finished all 3....Good story just totally off the wall and nobody other than Batman/Robin I have ever even heard of. May continue the series who knows.

[XL]

What's with all these comic francises lately not going with the character name, but trying something more dramatic, more striking, and more gay?

Smallville was a one-off that worked, I guess... but "Arrow"? "Amazon"? Not DC, but even the new Judge Dredd movie is just called "Dredd". Seriously feels like the next bunch of Marvel movies will be called "The Spider" and "X". :nono:

Also, not trying to sound like a dick, I like DC comics and all, but I just feel that nobody gives a shit about Green Arrow or Wonder Woman. It's either Batman or Superman.
Could have said the same about Marvel/X-Men/Spiderman up until a few years ago. Iron Man was quite a gamble when it went into production and if that had flopped I doubt we'd have seen Thor/Cap/Avengers.

[Kalyx triaD]

Confirmed:

The Royal Flush Gang will be in the CW's Arrow.

[Shadow]

...why?

[Kalyx triaD]

Why not.

[Shadow]

Well ain't the RFG a Batman villain? I mean I know they get passed around like a cheap deck of cards but I thought they stayed in the Batman part of town and don't get much into Star City.

Also calling it now....10 will be the Daughter of the King and Queen and fall in love with Green Arrow.

[Kalyx triaD]

I don't mind that at all, RFG needs exposure. You wanna wait for the next Batman reboot?

[Lock Jaw]

Royal Flush Gang was primarily a Justice League villain. Though they fought pretty much everybody at one point. Became big jobbers.

[Nowhere Man]

Yeah, I think at this point the Royal Flush Gang is kinda like DC's version of the Wrecking Crew: all-purpose jobbers with juuust enough superpowers that anyone can have a decent fight with them.

[Rammsteinmad]

Could have said the same about Marvel/X-Men/Spiderman up until a few years ago. Iron Man was quite a gamble when it went into production and if that had flopped I doubt we'd have seen Thor/Cap/Avengers.

But at least they called it "Iron Man", and not something daft like "Iron". Or even "Steel". :shifty:

[Shadow]

I don't mind that at all, RFG needs exposure. You wanna wait for the next Batman reboot?

My only concern was a continuity one that's all. But yeah, bring 'em on. Though wait...doesn't GA have a thing for Black Canary?

I SMELL LOVE TRIANGLE!

[slik]

DC has announced Tim Drake was never Robin.

He was Batman's Boy Wonder, whatever that means.


:(


credit: bleedingcool

[Lock Jaw]

Yeah, they announced it awhile ago.... but the Teen Titans #0 solicitation says "Focusing on the origin of Tim Drake; how a would be Olympic star and computer genius went on to become Batman’s third Robin".

So I dunno.

[slik]

Tim Drake is one of my favorite characters so I hope they don't screw this up too bad.

edit: Tim Drake was a would-be Olympic star?

[Lock Jaw]

In the new continuity, I guess so.

This whole New 52 thing still just depresses the heck outta me. The DC Universe was so good before they rebooted it. It was in a great place.

[slik]

I understand why they did it...but I still have mixed feelings about most of it.

Marvel has just as convoluted a history as DC does and they've been able to avoid reboots.

[Lock Jaw]

Just watched The Dark Knight Returns: Part I.

Was pretty freaking sweet.

[Kalyx triaD]

http://i.newsarama.com/images/bmrob_cv15_02.jpg

[mitchables]

I understand why they did it...but I still have mixed feelings about most of it.

Marvel has just as convoluted a history as DC does and they've been able to avoid reboots.

Yeah, if you don't count the entire Ultimate universe as a reboot.

But DC should've followed that model, rather than trying to actually replace their mainstream continuity.

[dronepool]

Just watched The Dark Knight Returns: Part I.

Was pretty freaking sweet.

Can't wait for Part 2 so I can rewatch part 1 and onto 2 seamlessly as it were a 2 in half hour movie :)

[Skippord]

DC has announced Tim Drake was never Robin.

He was Batman's Boy Wonder, whatever that means.


:(


credit: bleedingcool
that just makes Batman sound like a child molester

[Kalyx triaD]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mam2hkqKyI1r7ni1io1_1280.jpg

[slik]

Here's a preview of Tim's new origin.

I don't know about this.


http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album_view.php?gid=4528

[Kalyx triaD]

I don't know about DCnU in general.

[DaveBrawl]

I'm fairly certain the JL8 strips might be the best comic going today or at least those using DC or Marvel characters.

[Kalyx triaD]

Sad but true, for me anyway.

[Lock Jaw]

The only DC Comics that I am current on, and try to read every month, are:

Animal Man
Swamp Thing
Aquaman
Earth 2
Worlds' Finest
Smallville Season 11

Way behind on everything else. I should catch up on Batman.

[Kalyx triaD]

http://io9.com/5945441/astounding-collection-of-lost-dark-knight-promo-images-show-every-detail-of-the-joker

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