DC Universe Thread

[Kalyx triaD]

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[Lock Jaw]

Terrible salesman. Talking his way out of a book sale.

[Reavant]

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[Kalyx triaD]

Louis is going to be pissed.

[slik]

If I were Louis CK I'd be pissed too.

[slik]

Well, here it is. DC's "Exciting" new origin of Tim (notice I didn't say Drake...there is a reason for that).

Tim was an Olympic level gymnast and computer hacker honor student. He spent his whole life trying to figure out Batman's identity. Batman got annoyed by this and told Tim he would never be Robin.

Tim, to get Batman's attention, stole 100 million dollars out of Osawld Cobblepot's account. The Penguin sent henchman to his house. Batman saves the day. Tim's parents are forced into the Witness Protection Program so the Penguin will never find them. Tim is given a new last name "Drake" and is told by Batman he will be staying with him now, per the court's orders.

Oh, and he was never Robin. He was always only Red Robin...for some reason.

[Kalyx triaD]

Eh.

[Kalyx triaD]

DCnU is just the longest Elseworlds story ever.

[Lock Jaw]

The thing I liked about the old one was that he was the one who was actively pushing the Robin thing. He SUCCEEDED in figuring out Batman's identity, and then pushed Batman into accepting him as a new Robin.... feeling that Batman needed a Robin. Unlike the other Robins, he was the active driving force behind his own origin.

[dronepool]

I'll stick to the original Tim Drake origin.

[Nowhere Man]

I'm going to find the guy who came up with that stupid fucking origin and beat him to death with a hardcover copy of "A Lonely Place of Dying." I swear to God, it's like the New 52 is deliberately going out of its way to make me hate it.

[mitchables]

Yes, it is absolutely a personal slight directed at you.

Can we just take a second to remember that it's not like everyone was super happy before the reboot? Like, imperfect though it might be, kind of can't forget the fact that before the DCNU, like every book of theirs was losing readers each month. Even the popular ones. The reboot has demonstrably boosted their sales and their audience numbers, even if it's come at the expense of a lot of things/origins/storylines/characters that some people loved. At the end of the day, it was a smart business move. That's all it is. It's not some grand conspiracy to face-fuck your childhood.

[Nowhere Man]

I know that. I'm well aware that DC wasn't in the best place before the reboot. That doesn't change the fact that it's a fucking terrible origin of one of my favorite characters.

[mitchables]

Well, yes and no. It seems like Tim didn't adopt the Robin persona out of respect for the recently deceased Jason, which at least gives some reason - whether you agree with it or not - for him to have not ever officially been a Robin, shitty though it is (I feel you here man, Tim Drake was my Robin growing up).

[dronepool]

Honestly I believe more people will remember Tim as Robin than this shitty new temporary origin.

[mitchables]

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Terrible dialogue aside (really, Lobdell is not a good writer, but he is copping way too much flak over this whole thing considering it's probably not even his call), it's at least a justification.

[dronepool]

The funny thing is, he was ID'ed as FORMER ROBIN or Robin in Batman #1 with one of Batman's ID scanner gizmo's.

[Kalyx triaD]

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[Lock Jaw]

SUPERMAN JUST STOLE THAT BOOK

[Lock Jaw]

And Neil just let him. Definitely a terrible salesman.

[Fignuts]

I don't see what's so terrible about this new Robin origin. No, it's not as good as the original tim drake origin, but was anyone expecting it to be?

Yeah, the whole court order to stay with batman thing is kind of silly, but whatever. What's more important is how the character is portrayed, and they've done a fine job with that part.

[Kalyx triaD]

Well it is Superman. ...'Boy. Whatever.

[Shadow]

So speaking of Jason Todd...he's dead in Young Justice. Died during the 5 year gap. So yeah...shit goes down in that show.

Also starts up again Saturday I CAN'T WAIT!

[dronepool]

I don't see what's so terrible about this new Robin origin. No, it's not as good as the original tim drake origin, but was anyone expecting it to be?

Yeah, the whole court order to stay with batman thing is kind of silly, but whatever. What's more important is how the character is portrayed, and they've done a fine job with that part.

Because it sucks harder than a bukkake movie. There was no reason for them to alter it at all, it takes away from his development.

[Kalyx triaD]

Dark Knight Returns was great. Loved the music.

[Lock Jaw]

I am glad Young Justice is back.

[Krimzon7]

I am glad Young Justice is back.

Me too! They did not let us down either. The episode started a lot of new story arcs while keeping the happenings of Artemis death relevant.

Cant wait to hear about the JL that left earth, glad that they showed the homage to fallen friends, and glad to see Arsenal. Just a solid episode

[Kalyx triaD]

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[Lock Jaw]

So, Grant Morrison's "Multiversity" that was supposed to come out ages ago, is apparently on track for late 2013. First issue to feature The Watchmen.... I mean... the Charlton Heroes.

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[Nowhere Man]

See, now that's a Watchmen spinoff/tribute/whatever comic that I would actually buy.

[dronepool]

Grant Morrison+Multiverse. Instant buy.

[McLegend]

Knightfall is seriously 3 volumes. That's kind of a lot.

I did get the Dark knight returns and the animated DVD on Friday. I hope the book lives up to the hype.

[mitchables]

No matter how hard I try, I just can't get into Frank Quitely's art style :-\

[Fignuts]

When I first picked up New X-men way back in the day, I hated it. But it eventually grew on me to the point where I really enjoy it.

I think it was All Star Superman that turned me around. Even went back and reread all the new x-men books, with my new appreciation of his work.

[Lock Jaw]

No matter how hard I try, I just can't get into Frank Quitely's art style :-\

For me, it depends on the kind of story. I didn't enjoy his art on the more "serious" Batman and Robin.... but I loved it in the wacky adventures of All-Star Superman.

[Kalyx triaD]

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[McLegend]

I read The Dark Knight Returns, and I liked it. It's not my favorite Batman story, but I enjoyed it.

It was really violent, and I think the best character was Gordon.

Can def see with the Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises took some things from it.

[Kalyx triaD]

Just finished Green Lantern TAS' first season and checked out the first episode of the second (Guy Gardner debut). This show is awesome and the season one finale was incredibly epic. Gardner's perfect. Really like Aya's development.

I would have no problem this show kicking off a new animated universe, and I would do a CGI New Gods show right after this.

[Shadow]

Pssst...that was the midseason break. We're still on season 1.

[Kalyx triaD]

Oh, okay.

[Kalyx triaD]

Thought it was kinda short. Figured it was like Korra with very little episodes ordered.

[Fignuts]

Because it sucks harder than a bukkake movie. There was no reason for them to alter it at all, it takes away from his development.

Again, what's the point of an alternate universe, if you're not going to try anything different?

[Skippord]

I just bought Under The Red Hood

pretty excited to read it eventually

[Kalyx triaD]

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[Kalyx triaD]

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[Shadow]

Deadshot or KGBeast?

[Kalyx triaD]

Deadshot. I doubt KGBeast would make it on the show. Then again... China White made it.

Gonna bet Roy Harper debuts in S3.

[Shadow]

Would really love some KGBeast. One of the more underutilized DC villains in my opinion.

[Lock Jaw]

Kind of "dated" now, but he was indeed "cool" back in the day.

[Kalyx triaD]

GreenArrowTV has confirmed that the series' gang has gotten their King. Currie Graham of Criminal Minds will be playing the role, and he is joined by Kyle Schmid, who will play 'Ace.'

Series producer Andrew Kreisberg had this to say: “You’ll see with the Royal Flush Gang, that the dynamic of the family, and the iconography of the playing cards are going to be there, without the supernatural bent. I think we’ve come up with a really clever way to portray them in a more grounded, realistic world. The Royal Flush Gang are in episode 6, and we’re really proud of that episode. We think it’s one of the most successful attempts at alchemy that we’ve performed. The Huntress is pretty much straight out of the book because she’s such a grounded character, but the Royal Flush Gang were the most outlandish villains from the comics, but they turned out to be our most grounded villains, and the relationship that Oliver has with King, the leader of the gang, we’re really proud of it."

[Kalyx triaD]

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[Shadow]

Royal Flush Gang was...supernatural?

Dah hell?

[Lock Jaw]

More like "super science". They had some sort of machine that would alter probabilities to make good luck for themselves/bad luck for others.

[Kalyx triaD]

Has the Joker ever considered joining the RFG, because... ya know.

[Skippord]

there's an episode of one of the Justice League cartoons where he is the leader of the Royal Flush Gang

[Kalyx triaD]

Ah yes, I remember that one. The unofficial Teen Titans cameo with all the voices being in.

[Shadow]

Considered? In the comics at time he was the leader. Now, not so much.

[stultiloquy]

No matter how hard I try, I just can't get into Frank Quitely's art style :-\

Yeah, same here.
I enjoyed All-Star Superman, but I think the writing carried the art for me on that one.

[Lock Jaw]

It bugged me when I think it was newsarama was doing a year end awards thing and this cover got pretty far in the "best cover" category:

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At least I think it was this one. Definitely beat some pretty good covers though, and I was just "HOW?"

[Lock Jaw]

I been catching up on Batman because I want to check out the Death of the Family arc.

The whole Court of Owls storyline was pretty "boss". I still couldn't help but think how much better The Night of Owls story could have been in the old universe, though.

[Kalyx triaD]

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[dronepool]

I like that costume.

[Skippord]

he's about 6 inches from SuperHitler

[Lock Jaw]

Yeah, totally looks like an Alt Evil Superman attire.

At least it doesn't have a high collar.

[Triple Naitch]

Arrow wasn't too bad. A few cheesy dialogue lines in between but it was entertaining. And the main bint is fiiiiiiiiiit.

[slik]

I just bought Under The Red Hood

pretty excited to read it eventually

I really enjoyed Under the Red Hood

[slik]

I been catching up on Batman because I want to check out the Death of the Family arc.

The whole Court of Owls storyline was pretty "boss". I still couldn't help but think how much better The Night of Owls story could have been in the old universe, though.

I really liked the Court of Owls storyline.

I read an interview with Scott Snyder where he says he looks at Batman as the King and Gotham as his kingdom.

Court of Owls was about a king discovering he didn't know his kingdom as well as he thought and Death of the Family is about a Court Jester reminding the King of all his failures and trying to break him down.

[Lock Jaw]

I am also really loving All-Star Western. Caught up with that as well. I have actually been going back and reading the old Jonah Hex series from the same writers. It is also pretty great. I don't know how they could screw up a movie with the dude. Not that I have actually seen the movie. I will probably give it a watch after I am done reading the series.

Now I will go watch Arrow. Forgot to watch it yesterday.

[Krimzon7]

Arrow wasn't too bad. A few cheesy dialogue lines in between but it was entertaining. And the main bint is fiiiiiiiiiit.

I thought it was entertaining. I'm interested to see where they go from here. We even got some neat trick arrows

[Kalyx triaD]

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[Kalyx triaD]

Arrow, btw. Has ads, though.

[Lock Jaw]

I liked it well enough to tune in again.

Is it just me, though, or are they using the exact same mansion for the Queen Mansion that they did in Smallville for the Luthor Mansion?

[Kalyx triaD]

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[Lock Jaw]

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I have a feeling Deathstroke helped "train" Ollie on The Island.

[Kalyx triaD]

Looks okay.

[Lock Jaw]

NEEDS MORE POUCHES

[Kalyx triaD]

Let us all consider that he made it on live media in more accurate fashion than Deadpool.

[Kalyx triaD]

Arrow was good. I will follow it.

Ollie seemed good with fighting, I'm betting Slade trained him on that island.

[McLegend]

Just watched the Dark Knight Returns part 1, and I loved it.

Prefer it over the book.

[Kalyx triaD]

DC Animated Films Move On:

Expected in the summer of 2013 is Superman: Unbound, which will be an adaptation of Geoff Johns and Gary Frank's 'Braniac' story. Following that will be Justice League: Flashpoint, which adapts the Geoff Johns and Andy Kubert mini-series that jump started the New 52 last year. 2013 will also see the release of LEGO Batman: DC Heroes Unite, which will be an animated adaptation of the popular video game series.

Holy shit.

[Lock Jaw]

Flashpoint movie? Really?

Superman one could be good. Wonder if they will follow it up with a New Krypton movie (possibly several?)

[Kalyx triaD]

Flashpoint could be their sly way of saying every animated movie going forward will be DCnU based. It is very uncommon for a recent comic storyline to go mainstream that quickly.

[Nowhere Man]

I really liked the Brainiac storyline, so I'm looking forward to that one.

Flashpoint, though? Blegh. I was not a fan. Especially if this means that all of DC's animated stuff from here on out is gonna be "New 52" related.

[Lock Jaw]

I just want them to make a Superman: Birthright movie. Preferably as the start of a live-action franchise... but we already know that isn't going to happen.... so... make an animated one.

[Kalyx triaD]

Man of Steel might be going in that direction.

[Lock Jaw]

Lex Luthor isn't in Man of Steel, so it can't possibly be going in that direction. It can certainly borrow some elements from it, though.

[slik]

Glad that both Deathstroke and Deadshot are in Arrow.

I enjoyed Flashpoint, in particular Thomas Wayne as Batman.

It should be an easy adaptation.

[Lock Jaw]

DC Comics has canceled the following series:

Frankenstein: Agent of S.H.A.D.E.
Blue Beetle (again)
Grifter
Legion Lost

[Lock Jaw]

So, next month DC Comics launches 52 new #1s! So make your picks now in the... DC Cancellation Pool! PM me ten picks of which books you think will be canceled first! Winner gets nothing!

I will make my picks publicly now so there is no accusations of me changing my own picks:

<s>1) Hawk and Dove</s>
<s>2) O.M.A.C.</s>
<s>3) Blackhawks</s>
4) I, Vampire
<s>5) Voodoo</s>
6) Batwing
7) Suicide Squad
<s>8) Legion Lost</s>
<s>9) Men of War</s>
10) Red Hood and the Outlaws

So close.

[Krimzon7]

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Part 3

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Part 4

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Part 5

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[Krimzon7]

This was an amazing episode of Young Justice. I hate the fact that Cartoon NEtwork has decided to put YJ on the shelf until next year. What the fuck is that about? This is literally one of the best shows they have going for them.

[mitchables]

This was an amazing episode of Young Justice. I hate the fact that Cartoon NEtwork has decided to put YJ on the shelf until next year. What the fuck is that about? This is literally one of the best shows they have going for them.

Quite possibly something to do with the Stephanie Brown debacle.


But that might just be the ravings of a fandom scorned.

[Nowhere Man]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the DCnU should just be the Young Justice Universe. It'd make the comics about a thousand times better.

[Kalyx triaD]

Young Justice is one of the best things coming from DC right now. Their whole animated slate is pretty good. The comics are besides the point for me now.

[The Destroyer]

DC Comics has canceled the following series:

Frankenstein: Agent of S.H.A.D.E.
Blue Beetle (again)
Grifter
Legion Lost
Going to be running out of things to replace them with at this rate.

[DaveBrawl]

There's always room for more Batbooks.

Been a while since they did Shadow of the Bat or Legends of the Dark Knight.

[Lock Jaw]

Legends of the Dark Knight is currently going as a Digital Comic.

[Lock Jaw]

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[Lock Jaw]

When are they going to get to the party?!

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[DaveBrawl]

Legends of the Dark Knight is currently going as a Digital Comic.
Really? I always kind of liked that one, thought it was gone for good. Might have to look into that.

[Shadow]

Quite possibly something to do with the Stephanie Brown debacle.


But that might just be the ravings of a fandom scorned.

No just ranting of a fandom scorned. In reality this was a Cartoon Network decision that may bite them in the ass. Hard.

[McLegend]

May I ask what the Stephanie Brown debacle is?

[Lock Jaw]

The only "debacle" I can think of (aside from the very existence of most of the DCnU) is that Stephanie Brown was supposed to be Batgirl in the Smallville Season 11 comic book, but DC made the writer turn her into Barbara Gordon.

[McLegend]

O... Is that something that's really catastrophic?

[Lock Jaw]

It is weird and kinda stupid, but don't see how it relates to Young Justice.

[mitchables]

Stephanie Brown was slated to appear in an episode of Young Justice (or maybe already did), but the character has been labelled as "toxic" by DC management, alongside Cass Cain and some others, and she is not supposed to appear in any DC-related product, hence why when they realised BQM was trying to slip her through in Smallville season 11, she got replaced with Babs. So upon discovering she was supposed to be in Young Justice, DC flipped its lid and got it pulled. Allegedly.

Incidentally, the new villain Knightfall was taken by many Steph fans to be a deliberate dig at them (blonde haired girl in "Steph's colours" looking like a cross between Azrael and Spoiler, etc) - yeah, it's a stretch, but they've caused enough of a ruckus that Gail Simone is trying to get the colour scheme changed so that there will be absolutely no confusion or allusion that the character was in any way inspired by Steph.

[mitchables]

From DC Women Kicking Ass (http://dcwomenkickingass.tumblr.com/post/33666315700/yjsteph):

My in-boxes started to fill up early yesterday with notes. And more notes. And then there were emails and tweets. And they all asked the same thing; did Cartoon Network pull Young Justice and postpone it until January because Stephanie Brown was in it?
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First let’s clarify things. Cartoon Network didn’t pull Young Justice. It pulled DC Nation including Green Lantern, DC Digital shorts (including the premiere of Amethyst) and Young Justice. The creator of Green Lantern is upset (https://twitter.com/Giancarlo_Volpe/status/257227335416291328); the creator of the Amethyst short is understandably mad (https://twitter.com/potatofarmgirl/status/257119569355886592) as well)
Secondly, Cartoon Network has been futzing with their schedule on Young Justice since the show premiered. In fact according to Greg Weisman the episode that was scheduled to appear on Saturday was supposed to have been the hiatus episode for the second season but they ended up going on hiatus earlier.
So why did Cartoon Network pull it? There are a few theories floating around:
1. That there is ongoing legal issues with the use of Milestone characters and since Icon and Rocket are in the show, they postponed until January.
This was first reported here (http://carl-carlscomics.blogspot.com/2012/10/dc-loses-rights-to-milestone-characters.html)but in the comments you can see that the TV rights are separate from the comics rights. And the comics rights are being dealt with right now based on comments I heard at NYCC.
2. Cartoon Network is unhappy with the ratings.
The show is one of the top rated on CN but I’m not sure whether it is in key demographics. So it’s a possibility.
3. Cartoon Network is flaky and decided to put the show on hiatus at the last minute because they are celebrating their 20th Anniversary
We’ve seen them postpone stuff before including YJ. And they are celebrating their anniversary. Still seems sudden. But definitely flaky.
4. Someone at DC Comics who doesn’t want Stephanie Brown to appear anywhere (whether because she is “toxic” or on ice for a huge comeback in a few years) they found out about the show this week and demanded that Cartoon Network, which is owned by Turner, put DC Nation on hiatus so she could be removed.
I’ve checked out a few different sources and honestly I’m not sure anyone at DC even knew Stephanie Brown was going to be in the show. Don’t get me wrong. She’s still toxic in comics (and I was told that by not one but two more sources this past week - BUT, well I’ll save that for another post in a few weeks … maybe), but TV is separate from comics and CN is not part of the WB. And if they really had an issue with the show they could have run a repeat of another episode.
We’re still waiting to hear an official explanation from CN but my take is the Stephanie issue is a non-starter.


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Although that's kind of why I said "allegedly", because at best it's a running theory that she had something to do with it, given how much vitriol DC's upper management seems to reserve for the character.

[Kalyx triaD]

This whole situation makes me hate the corporate part of these companies. All this over bullshit.

[Krimzon7]

Young Justice deserves better than this. Green Lantern is growing on me as well. These gems desrve way more credit for luring in viewers to the Saturday/Sunday Morning Timeslots.

[Lock Jaw]

I was wondering whether that blonde chick was supposed to be a nod to Stephanie Brown.

Black kid with the hat was definitely a nod to Static.

They showed both of them a lot.

[Krimzon7]

They did. almost as if they're planning to hook up the team with both characters in season 3.

[Lock Jaw]

I miss Stephanie Brown as Batgirl so much. :'(

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[Kalyx triaD]

I loved the dynamic between her and Damien.

In the OLD DC Universe.

[Blitz]

Wait why are Stephanie Brown and Cass Cain "Toxic"?

[Lock Jaw]

Don't know where the word "toxic" came from... but basically, upper DC Management just does not want them to appear anywhere. Probably to get Barbara Gordon "over" as the "one and only" Batgirl again.

[Kalyx triaD]

Stupid.

[Lock Jaw]

Like that time in the 90s when they wanted Kyle Rayner to be the "one and only" Green Lantern. Killed Hal Jordan and the entire Corps, Depowered and Crippled John Stewart, Messed up Guy Gardner (not that he was even a Green Lantern at the time, but he did use a "power ring", so that had to go), and turned Alan Scott into Sentinel.

[Kalyx triaD]

Also stupid.

[McLegend]

Watched Arrow tonight, and I'm not feeling it.

Really didn't like the Cop dad. He kind of sucked.

[mitchables]

Wait why are Stephanie Brown and Cass Cain "Toxic"?

Don't know where the word "toxic" came from... but basically, upper DC Management just does not want them to appear anywhere. Probably to get Barbara Gordon "over" as the "one and only" Batgirl again.

"Toxic" is a direct quote from at least two writers working for DC. I follow DC Women Kicking Ass, as it's actually a really well-sourced/connected blog. The lady who runs it seems to know her shit, and she's said on multiple occasions she's been told by people in the DC camp the characters are regarded as "toxic" - from a sales standpoint, and from the standpoint of getting in Babs' way as being the one and only Batgirl again.


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From The Outhouse (read more) (http://www.theouthousers.com/forum/the-news-stand/the-toxicity-stephanie-brown-t85289.html):

Last night, the Outhouse reported (http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/news/comics-news/20641-gail-simone-on-stephgate.html/) that executives at DC had instructed Bryan Q. Miller to remove the character Stephanie Brown from an upcoming Smallville Season 11 arc and had given him a list of approved characters with which to replace her. Miller ultimately chose Barbara Gordon from the list, which allegedly also included Dick Grayson. Shortly thereafter, Wired.com (http://www.wired.com/geekmom/2012/07/nightwing-swapped-out-in-smallville/) reported that multiple sources at DC considered both Brown and Cassandra Cain, another former Batgirl, as "toxic" characters.

Reaching out to several DC sources, I can confirm that "toxic" is indeed the word being bandied about by DC executives, with one source quoted as saying "Toxic? Yup, that about sums it up." The uncomfortable truth of the matter is that DC does not consider Cassandra Cain or Stephanie Brown to be marketable characters and is doing their best to scrub their comics clean of them, looking to prevent the characters from ever having a chance to take root in a book, be it in a starring or supporting role.

[Kalyx triaD]

Just so very stupid.

[mitchables]

Yeah, it's ridiculous, honestly. No idea why they think Cass and Steph aren't marketable. Cass was a brilliant character. As was Steph. It makes me more sad that she was "officially" never a Robin than it does that it happened to Tim. At least Tim still exists.

[Lock Jaw]

I really thought that Steph finally really found her "place" in the DCU with becoming Batgirl.

[Kalyx triaD]

Yeah she's actually my fave Batgirl. I felt like she earned it rather than 'that's just how it is, Babs is Batgirl'.

[mitchables]

So did I. As I'm pretty sure I've expressed somewhere along the line in this thread, when Bruce was displaced in time, even though I knew it was temporary, I really dug the 'new' Bat family, with Dick and Damian at its core, Tim in Dick's old role, and Steph as Batgirl. The rapport among the Bat-kids was just phenomenal. I liked that Dick wasn't as brooding as Bruce. I dunno, I feel like that really could have been an exciting new chapter for the story. Even when Bruce got back, I had quiet hopes he would take on a role similar to that he has in Batman Beyond, rather than re-assuming the central mantle.

[Lock Jaw]

Totally. I even liked it after Bruce came back, with the whole two Batmen deal. Dick still starred in a number of books as Batman, with Damien by his side. Bruce mostly did his own thing, and worked on Batman Incorporated. He let Dick worry about Gotham for the most part, as well as take on a role in the Justice League. Also, it seemed that when he needed backup, he would go to Tim. So you had Dick and Damien, and Bruce and Tim. Was pretty good. I thought they could just keep on going with that.

Also, I enjoyed the dynamic between Dick and Damian as Batman and Robin more than I have the dynamic of Bruce and Damien.

[Lock Jaw]

I mean, realistically I knew that Dick would not be Batman forever... but I expected it to come to a head in some sort of kickass story where he decides to stop being Batman, and becomes his own man again.... but is still just as prominent.

[Lock Jaw]

During New York Comic Con, Newsarama spoke with DC Co-Publisher Dan DiDio. The interview included fan questions, and the inevitable question of Stephanie Brown and Wally West appeared once more. This time, rather than just a short blurb, however, DiDio gave a detailed explanation of why those characters have not yet appeared in the New 52 DC Comics Universe. The following is his full-length answer transcribed.

"You know, me and Stephanie, we go way back. The story with Stephanie Brown goes, they came to me as Executive Editor with the "War Games" story, and said we're going to kill Stephanie Brown. I knew Stephanie Brown for who she was, and said, 'I don't know, if this is going to be the big ending to your story it doesn't feel big enough at the time, because the character wasn't strong enough yet.' So I said, 'Why don't we make her Robin for a short period of time, build some interest in her, and then we kill her!'

"Little did I know... so we did and we wound up bringing her back and the level of excitement wasn't there for what we thought it would be, for the amount people were talking about it. So we went ahead and made her Batgirl, and the stories were interesting but it never really took hold, with the sales, with the expectations we had for the series.

"And again, I say this for every character that's 'missing' with the exception of Wally West (laughs). No, I'm kidding. I say this for every character that's missing, even including Wally West, including Donna Troy, all of them. The reason why we didn't go out there and say 'every character is dead' or didn't kill them off in front of people is because everyone has potential. And every character can come back if the story is right, or at the right time, with the right environment.

"Our main goal was never to introduce everyone all at the same time. We can't do that. If we do that, then we're right back where we started, that's the last thing we want. Every character should be reintroduced with story.

"Even to the point when Stephanie Brown came back from the dead, I'll never forget the scene. Stephanie Brown came back from the dead and she walked into a room and Batman goes, 'oh! I knew she wasn't dead...'

"I said, 'that didn't feel right. If this was a big deal it should've felt bigger!' If Batman knew that, then he seems negligent, because he didn't do anything about it. And the levels of that. So I really want to make sure that when we go ahead and do things like that, the teams do it, that they craft it properly, that they take advantage of every emotional beat, they build it for everything it's worth. Because when you do that, people become more invested in the characters, not just about the conversation of them coming back, but actually going to read about them after they do come back. That's the win. Not the fact you're bringing them back, it's actually making them stay, and making people care about them more than just the people asking right now."

Never does DiDio, in this detailed explanation, call any of those characters "toxic," a welcome change from the culture we've heard from DC Comics about many of these characters for the last year. Does this mean Stephanie or Wally or Donna or any other missing character will be back soon? Not likely, unfortunately. However, it does mean there's still hope, so cling to your blue power rings.

[Kalyx triaD]

"She's not toxic, but we're gonna treat her pretty much like she is because we actually love her."

Whatever.

[mitchables]

DiDio is often cited as being one of the key people who is totally against her presence anywhere in DC-related media at the moment, so honestly, I find that whole speech disingenuous as fuck.

[Lock Jaw]

Pretty much have hated DiDio ever since my first exposure to him was when he took over writing Superboy's series..... and thought it would be a good idea to do away with all of his supporting cast and move him to an apartment building, where he would act as the SUPERintendent. Series was quickly canceled five or six issues later.

I know it probably isn't all his fault... but I blamed him nonetheless.

[DaveBrawl]

I caught the first two episodes of Arrow last night. Good stuff I thought.

I never watched Smallville (mostly because I never got CW most of the time it was on), was it this good?

[Lock Jaw]

It had its ups and downs.

As I expect Arrow will.

[Kalyx triaD]

WB puts the Justice League movie down for the same date as Avengers 2.

It's going down, and somebody's gonna get embarrassed.

[The Destroyer]

Stupid, stupid move.

[Lock Jaw]

I don't see the news about the same date. I see the same year. No freakin' way would they do the same date. Nobody is that stupid. ...... Right?

[The Destroyer]

"Summer 2015" is all I can find for it, versus May 1st 2015 for Avengers 2, which isn't quite summer.

[Kalyx triaD]

Apologies, same date was my preemptive speculation and I should do more sleuthing before I post it here, unless I have several details supporting my thoughts.

[Lock Jaw]

Pretty big speculation right there.

"2015? Avengers is being released that year! MUST BE THE SAME DATE."

[Kalyx triaD]

Alright, I get it.

[Krimzon7]

Holy shit I'm excited to see a JL on screen

[Lock Jaw]

I was about to suggest Starro the Conqueror as the villain (R.E.B.E.L.S. style), but it would probably be too similar to The Avengers (Heroes band together to fight otherworldly threat/space army). Plus mind-controlling villain who would inevitably briefly control one or more of the heroes.

[mitchables]

Clock King 4 JL villain


It's time for a change

[mitchables]

Also have any of you guys seen the thing about the refrigerator remaining canon? Pretty interesting.

[Lock Jaw]

Green Lantern's Girlfriend in a Refrigerator?

[Kalyx triaD]

Fuck that; Darksied.

[Lock Jaw]

Screw that; Anti-Monitor.


:shifty:

[mitchables]

Green Lantern's Girlfriend in a Refrigerator?

Yeah. I don't know if you're familiar with the website Women in Refrigerators, which was started by Gail Simone years ago right after the fridging incident to record and collate all the examples of women in comics being raped, dismembered, and otherwise suffering grossly in comparison with their male counterparts. Tumblr's down at the moment (for me anyway) but DCWKA had an interesting post this morning about why it's actually important that that moment hasn't been erased in the New 52.

Actually, if nothing else, and all storyline gripes aside, I like the fact that the New 52 has stimulated so much discussion and participation from the readers. Covers be getting changed because of them (see Catwoman #0), colour schemes revised, etc. It's kind of nice.

[Kalyx triaD]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc44j5HCAj1r7ni1io1_1280.jpg

[DaveBrawl]

You know that refridgerator thing reminds me. I was wondering earlier if the whole Death of Superman/Reign of the Supermen saga and Bane breaking Batman remains canon or if that never happened either or if we go through it again.

[mitchables]

I saw that this morning, pretty great. Yale obviously has a bit of a thing for Gaiman.

[mitchables]

Here you go, if you're interested (read more): (http://dcwomenkickingass.tumblr.com/post/33859506927/adwitnew52)

Those who picked up Green Lantern: New Guardians #13 this week learned that despite the compression of the time that “superheroes” have been existence, despite the missing characters and despite slowly but surely the retconning of many character’s origin Kyle Rayner’s history still includes this:
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc3zc9z5Pg1qbujox.jpg
Alex DeWitt was still killed and stuffed in a refrigerator.
And here’s why I’m happy about it.
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When Alex DeWitt was murdered and stuffed in a refrigerator in Green Lantern #54 in 1994, I don’t think the writer, Ron Marz, or any of the books’ readers thought that it would become a pivotal moment in the history of comics for women.
But it was. Five years later writer Gail Simone began cataloging female characters that who have been either “depowered, raped, or cut up and stuck in the refrigerator.” She wrote at the time, “it occurred to me that it’s not that healthy to be a female character in comics.” And then she asked the question of variety of industry folks, “does it mean anything?”
The result was a website, Women in Refrigerators (WiR).
The original list is still posted (http://www.unheardtaunts.com/wir/index.html) as are the responses that Simone received.
While Alex DeWitt’s killing may have only been devised as a plot point for Kyle Rayner, it gave a name and help fuel a seminal and critical examination of superhero comics and how they treat women.
Today when a female character is referred to as being “fridged” it is short hand for a trope (http://www.feministfrequency.com/2011/04/tropes-vs-women-2-women-in-refrigerators/) that sadly continues in comics to this day.
Has it gotten better since Alex was first killed? Absolutely? Better since Simone wrote about it? Absolutely. Do superhero comics still have work to do? Absolutely.
And that’s why WiR is still important.


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[Lock Jaw]

I figured the refrigerator deal was still in continuity since Green Lantern, as Geoff John's pet franchise, was spared from being rebooted (beyond getting new #1s) and is pretty much the same as it was before.

I'd say Bane breaking Batman's back is still in continuity as well, since as Grant Morrison's pet franchise, it was similarly spared from heavy rebooting.

I'd say Superman's Death and Return is out. Or if it is still in, it has to be vastly different to the point where it is a new story entirely.

[Nowhere Man]

Superman's death and return is still in canon, as Supes himself alluded to it in the first issue of Swamp Thing. It was probably pretty heavily altered to fit in the new continuity, but until they say otherwise, Supes has died and come back before.

[Damian Rey]

I'm baffled as to why WB seems so compelled to make a JL film, especially in the near future with so many things up in the air. Nobody knows if Superman will be any good, our if out will be a hit wig audiences. Batmans done and needs to be rebooted. Green Lantern stinks, and the rest of theirmore notable heros haven't had a proper go on film. Exactly how does anyone see enough happening in two years to justify a JL movie?

[Nowhere Man]

Because WB isn't looking at the quality of the movies; they're just looking at the obscene amounts of money The Avengers made, and want in on it.

[XL]

What NM said.

[Damian Rey]

Marvel took a lot of time to make, at the least, solid films to establish their characters. WB had Superman and...

[Lock Jaw]

DC is going for the reverse effect, where they will spin off individual movies from the team movie.

Unfortunately, that means they have to spend time establishing all the characters in their team movie.

Avengers was literally like "Hey, here's Thor. He's on Earth somehow. BAM"

[Kalyx triaD]

Ya know... it may work...

[Kalyx triaD]

With the Young Justice episode posted a while back I was inspired by that and the posting of the Little League comics to maybe begin posting embeds of entire episodes of Marvel/DC 'toons from a very reliable site I've been using for a while now. How would you gentlemen feel about evolving the comic threads to be deposits of the latest cartoons and even live-action shows (Arrow, etc) when uploads are found?

[Damian Rey]

The problem with spinning off after a main film is theres not enough time to establish and develop the characters to make you care, and theres no guarantee that audiences will care enough to see a film comprised of super heroes who have no theatrical following outside of possibly Superman. Its a terribly thought out business plan.

[Kalyx triaD]

Or a nice to test the waters based on who the audiences likes best. Why make a Wonder Woman movie if everybody loved the Flash most? I think it's a stupid way to go and they should at least emulate Marvel's build-up but if it's gonna be like this, there are some good points. Remember WB/DC are very focus test... focused. They will do what they feel makes money rather than gamble. Making sure the audiences likes something before committing a movies to him/her fits their agenda. Cowardly as it is.

[Nowhere Man]

I actually wouldn't mind a Justice League movie if they did the original JLA, the five-person squad of Wonder Woman, Flash, GL, Martian Manhunter, and Aquaman (Superman and Batman were honorary members, but weren't founders). That way, you don't have to worry about having to find another Batman or all the issues of whether the movie would conflict with the new Superman series, etc. Sure, people will bitch that they aren't there, but they're going to bitch if they are there, too, since Bale's done as Batman and Snyder and company have already said they have no intention of making the Superman movies tie-ins to a JL movie, so they'd have to re-cast.

Plus, making the JL movie about the other five guys in the Justice League would give them a lot more screen-time, and allow the rest of DC's A-List heroes to shine so they're not constantly over-shadowed by Batman and Superman.

[Lock Jaw]

I like how in New Frontier, they don't really bother to establish the big names like Superman/Batman/Wonder Woman.

They do give a lot of attention to Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter, and to a lesser extent The Flash.

The "team" doesn't even really come together until the end to fight the big threat that they have all been dealing with individually.

Something in that fashion could work for a movie.

[Lock Jaw]

I remember really enjoying Mark Waid's JLA: Year One as well. Team of Black Canary, Flash, GL, Martian Manhunter, and Aquaman.

So I wouldn't be totally opposed if they chose to go the route of no Supes/Bats/Wondy

[Kalyx triaD]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mca5sdCpTa1r7ni1io1_1280.jpg

[The Destroyer]

Arrow didn't seem too bad. First episode was alright, have to give it a few more weeks before I make my mind up for definite though.

[Nowhere Man]

So in DC's never-ending attempt to make DCnU Superman completely unrecognizable from the character he's been for the last 74 years, Clark Kent is quitting his job at the Daily Planet. So no more Perry White, no more Jimmy Olsen, no more Lois Lane (though she was pretty much done as an important character as soon as Clark started boning Wonder Woman). Clark's been bitching about the Planet being bought out by Morgan Edge ever since the reboot began, and now he's apparently so fed up with having to write trashy info-tainment that he's quit the paper altogether and is going to start a new career as a blogger.

Scott Lobdell's backing it up by saying, "Superman is arguably the most powerful person on the planet, but how long can he sit at his desk with someone breathing down his neck and treating him like the least important person in the world?" (source (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9628552/Superman-quits-The-Daily-Planet-over-the-state-of-journalism.html))

.....because apparently the guy they're trusting to write their flagship hero doesn't understand the entire concept of how the Clark Kent persona works.

The fact that he's got a crap job and has to deal with getting hassled by co-workers and berated by bosses to make ends meet is how we're able to relate to him in the first place. Sure, in the tights he's an invincible demigod, but he's not a billionaire super-genius like Bruce Wayne or Tony Stark. Yeah, he can do incredible stuff, but when he's not participating in super-heroics, he's just a normal guy, who has to deal with normal-guy problems.

But hey, that's cool, it's not like we need to humanize Superman and give him ways for audiences to identify with him. We already got rid of his human wife so he could shack up with another invincible demigod, so why not just have him quit his everyman job too? Then we'll just have the all-powerful alien that everyone complains about being too powerful to like.

This is another one of those things that just reeks of someone higher up at DC forcing a stupid change on one of their A-List franchises in order to seem "timely." Or the writers using the character as a soapbox to start preaching about whatever issue's gotten under their skin, like how Superman renounced his American citizenship during the recent turmoil in the Middle East, or how Marvel has Captain America either quit or get killed every time there's a Republican in office. Either Dan DiDio or Scott Lobdell has a beef with the news media, and therefore Superman isn't a reporter anymore.

Yeah, I know it's not going to stick, like any of the other gimmicky bullshit they've done in the New 52, and I know sooner or later someone who actually gives a shit about the character will set things straight. But for now, I'm starting to think I should just start looking for some decent indie comics to read.

[Innovator]

MILD MANNERED REPORTER FFS

[Damian Rey]

Countless people feel overworked, under appreciated, and seriously consider leaving their jobs, if not actually going that far, to do something they can actually enjoy and not be hassled by slave driving management and made to feel unimportant.

If anything, this makes Clark more relatable. It shows he has self value, and, like any other person, he has limits, and when those limits are crossed, he breaks and quits his job. Thats very human.

I get hes been written the same your 70+ years, but that doesn't mean it should stay that way, nor does it mean that the writers are "getting it wrong“ because theyre trying to infuse something new into the character.

[Fignuts]

I'm with Damien on this one.

[Shadow]

http://www.shortpacked.com/comics/2009-01-05-mildmanneredblogger.png

Done in 2009!

[Lock Jaw]

I just hope he doesn't start an internet news blog. Like instead of writing articles for the Daily Planet, he runs and maintains his own blog.

[Kalyx triaD]

I have many issues with DCnU but Clark being an independent blogger is the least of them.

[Lock Jaw]

With his glasses, people would start thinking he was some sorta Hipster.

[mitchables]

Yeah, I know it's not going to stick, like any of the other gimmicky bullshit they've done in the New 52


OK dude you are just in denial now, it's kind of sad. Like I understand you want to resist this as much as possible, but I would probably start getting used to the DCnU and start finding things in there to like because your argument hasn't changed in 12 months.

[Nowhere Man]

Honestly, considering I've been holding out for over a year and the negatives still vastly outweigh the positives for me, I think I'll just find something else to read.

[mitchables]

I think you're gonna have to, since I am pretty sure they're not planning on changing their minds anytime soon.

[Lock Jaw]

The only DC books I still read monthly are:

All-Star Western
Animal Man
Aquaman
Earth 2
Swamp Thing
Worlds' Finest

I will also make a point of catching up with Batman and Green Lantern stuff every once in a while.

I haven't really read much of the new Superman/boy/girl series... worried that I'd just get so super depressed and never recover. I will get there eventually, though.

[Kalyx triaD]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mchki2M0Ck1r7ni1io1_1280.jpg

[Lock Jaw]

http://i.newsarama.com/images/lilgotham_cover_rvsd.jpg

New digital series called Lil' Gotham will be starting on October 31st. It will apparently be monthly and be mostly about celebrating various holidays of the month. Stephanie Brown and Cassandra Cain are in it.

[Kalyx triaD]

Ha.

[Kalyx triaD]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcou2ksc7e1r7ni1io1_1280.jpg

[Shadow]

Do I spy with my little eye...STEPHINE BROWN!?

[Kalyx triaD]

Yes.

[McLegend]

So I reread The Dark Knight Returns again yesterday, and I like it more then I did. It's growing on me.

However the DVD is still better then the book. The whole 2 face chapter comes across way more powerful and deep on the DVD.

[Lock Jaw]

Read Superman Earth One Volume Two. It was "alright", which means it is stellar compared to most of the New 52 stuff.

I would enjoy it more if I did not have to wait a few years to read the next volume. Especially since this one seemed largely there to set up the next story, it felt like. Which is all fine and dandy if it were a monthly ongoing series.... but with having to wait a few years in between each volume.... each volume's story should have a big impact and story.

[Kalyx triaD]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcra3pd4bE1r7ni1io1_1280.jpg

[mitchables]

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/11/01/dc-acts-to-remove-rogue-stephanie-brown-appearance-in-lil-gotham/

welp. That was short-lived.

[Kalyx triaD]

You got to be fucking kidding me.

[mitchables]

As the article says, the hair colour change has been confirmed, but the stripe removal is still up in the air. Even so, changing the hair colour is stupid as fuck. Looks amateurish and petty. See and a few pages ago you all thought I was overstating DC's vendetta against its benched characters, especially Steph. She is copping it.

The strange thing to me is that even though clearly people want her, DC isn't budging. OK, she might not move a million issues a month on her own, but she's a strong supporting character and I dunno. I feel like DC is just being stubborn and antagonistic for no really justifiable reason.

[Kalyx triaD]

These are the same people that made Batman TAS villains cock-blocked from the Justice League 'toons (mostly) despite how awesome some encounters would be. Very pointless.

[Kalyx triaD]

Don't get me started on Wayne and Diana never appearing in Smallville, even after it went full superhero mode.

[Tom Guycott]

I just hope he doesn't start an internet news blog. Like instead of writing articles for the Daily Planet, he runs and maintains his own blog.

Soon to come on the front page:

on Thursday, November 21st, 20XX at 4:27 PM EST
Source: Gotham Wrestling United

It has been reported that WWE is indeed looking to bring in Stone Cold Steve Austin to enter into a program with CM Punk.

In a move that has been "obvious to fans since forever ago", WWE offically announced The Rattlesnake's return to the ring.

WWE has also quietly signed Bane. In spite of his background as a high profile known criminal, Vince McMahon is reportedly very high on hiring him, and sees tremendous upside, which shouldn't be surprising given his physique. It is believed his signing coinsiding with the announcement of the in-ring return of Steve Austin is not by chance, as the attention will be on Austin instead. Bane will be introduced on NXT in the upcoming weeks, and hopefully, won't do anything to result in having The Batman come crashing into the arena...

[Tom Guycott]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbppuqS6Sv1r7ni1io1_1280.jpg

Everytime I see chibi J'onn J'onzz in those JL8 strips, I keep thinking of Broxholm. This one put the thought in my head more than most, since his dad comes in with the briefcase like he just came from a hard day at teaching at an earth school.

My guess the phone call is from Kreeblim.

http://www.perma-bound.com/ws/image/cover/206980/m?ref=vd
"No, Susan, you can't be Batgirl. They'll think you're someone else and change your hair color. Now shut up before he sees us!"

[Lock Jaw]

Someone should alert DC that they left an old-costume Jay Garrick in Li'l Gotham. Needs to be changed to his new getup POST-HASTE!

[Kalyx triaD]

The Huntress (Arrow):

http://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2012/11/huntress-arrow-first-look-img.jpg

Okay.

[Tom Guycott]

I've never been a huge DC guy. With that said, I'm loving Arrow.

[Lock Jaw]

Laughed at pretty much all the scenes with his new bodyguard in the last episode.

Ollie: "I have to go to the bathroom"

*several moments later*

Diggle: "Oh he's long gone. Pffft."

[Lock Jaw]

I also like that tech geek girl who has been in a few episodes. Show needs more of her. Ollie should bring her into the fold as his "Oracle" down the line. Theoretically he should not have become a computer wizard on a "deserted" island. So he will need someone to do tech stuff for him.

[Blitz]

The Huntress (Arrow):

http://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2012/11/huntress-arrow-first-look-img.jpg

Okay.
I guess they really liked Anne Hathaway in DKR.

[Tom Guycott]

I also like that tech geek girl who has been in a few episodes. Show needs more of her. Ollie should bring her into the fold as his "Oracle" down the line. Theoretically he should not have become a computer wizard on a "deserted" island. So he will need someone to do tech stuff for him.

With the "current day" setting, he's not as far removed from current society as, say, Charlie Crews in "Life" where he's been in prison since before the tech boom. He knows what a cell phone is, has been able to use the internet in much the same way it exists now 5 years ago. He just likely doesn't have his MySpace page anymore.

It isn't entirely inexplicable he's not inept on computers... he was just more concerned with blowing money and banging anything with a uterus. He just isn't 100% up on pop culture. But, having more extensive help couldn't hurt.

[Tom Guycott]

Unrelated to what I just said: everytime the stepfather is in a scene, I keep thinking that he would somehow make an awesome Darkseid in some other incarnation of a Superman show. He just kinda has that presence.

[Kalyx triaD]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcxkaga99H1r7ni1io1_1280.jpg

[Lock Jaw]

DC has announced 52 variant covers for its upcoming Justice League of America #1. Gotta catch 'em all.

[Kalyx triaD]

Well damn.

[Kalyx triaD]

Count Vertigo will appear in Arrow. Unlike Smallville, this is turning into a who's-who of C-D level villains, which is cool.

[Kalyx triaD]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md3uoonwCk1r7ni1io1_1280.jpg

[Lock Jaw]

Ah yes... Martian Manhunter and his love for Oreos.

There was an entire issue of Martian Manhunter where Blue Beetle and Booster Gold stole all of his cookies, which caused him to lose control and go on a rampage.

[Krimzon7]

admittedly, I'm new to the DC universe ( I only started paying REAL attention after playing DCUO), but I never heard of this. Must Learn.. More...

[Lock Jaw]

During the early 90s, the Justice League International was often times lighthearted and humorous in nature.

During that time, the Martian Manhunter gained a fondness for Oreo cookies.

In his own series much later (2000? 1999?), there is an issue with a flashback to the JLI days where he tells the story of Blue Beetle and Booster Gold stealing his cookies, which turns him into a Hulk-like monster on a rampage for cookies.

[Lock Jaw]

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070122230710/marvel_dc/images/c/c3/Martian_Manhunter_v.2_24.jpg

[mitchables]

Miss old JLI :( Booster and Beetle were amazing together.

[Kalyx triaD]

It was also referenced in Smallville, an oreo cookie literally preceded his reveal.

[Krimzon7]

Jesus this is awesome. Im going to make a small confession. I purposefully refused to watch smallville. kinda feel like a dumbass now. gonna fix this soon.

One reason I'm realizing the error of my ways is this new show Arrow. Fuck it's good and I just saw somebody really awesome from the rogues gallery.

[Krimzon7]

I also like that tech geek girl who has been in a few episodes. Show needs more of her. Ollie should bring her into the fold as his "Oracle" down the line. Theoretically he should not have become a computer wizard on a "deserted" island. So he will need someone to do tech stuff for him.

get the feeling that theyre gonna figure out the whole becoming a tech wiz while deserted right now

[Kalyx triaD]

It was only five years ago, I think he can catch up on iPads pretty quickly.

[Lock Jaw]

But all the hacking and digital tracking and stuff... that isn't easy to learn. Probably not something he knew anything about before the island either.

Anyways.... Isn't Eddie Fyers an ally of Green Arrow in the comics?

[Kalyx triaD]

Not too versed with Ollie in the books.

[Lock Jaw]

Wiki says he was a CIA operative who butted heads with Ollie, but would eventually become "begrudging allies". He would then apparently be a Mentor/Father Figure of Connor Hawke (Ollie's son) while Ollie was dead.

[Lock Jaw]

DC/Vertigo is cancelling Hellblazer with #300. There goes its longest running title. I didn't think it was long for this world since Constantine is in the DCnU now.

Sure enough, it will be replaced by a "Constantine" series set in the mainstream universe.


Hellblazer fans are already bemoaning the PG-Era of Constantine before it begins, and wistfully reflecting on the good ol' days. :shifty:

[Kalyx triaD]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md6x6ybYVL1r7ni1io1_1280.jpg

[Shadow]

...DAMN IT THAT'S YOUR COUSIN!

[Lock Jaw]

Only in a parallel universe, so it is all good.

[Tom Guycott]

CLARK BLOCKED by the Goshdarn Batman!

[Kalyx triaD]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdd247lGrE1r7ni1io1_1280.jpg

[Kalyx triaD]

http://i.newsarama.com/images/RHOODO_Cv17.jpg

[DaveBrawl]

That is glorious.

[Inadequacy]

I've heard that Red Hood and the Outlaws has improved since its initial controversy. Can anyone verify this?

[Lock Jaw]

I have read it up to issue #9... and it was still one of the worst things ever.

[Lock Jaw]

DC has canceled Young Justice. The comic book series based on the animated series, that is. Probably does not bode well for the animated series, though. Not that I really expected a third season anyways.

[Kalyx triaD]

Fuck here we go a-fucking-gain.

[Shadow]

......GOD DAMN IT!

[Kalyx triaD]

It's like a series of horrible relationships; after a while you don't even bother because you know it will end suddenly. Why get invested? I stopped watching Thundercats for precisely this reason, I knew there would be no payoff awesome as it is. Months after my decision it was canned.

[Lock Jaw]

Word is that once DC inevitably cancels the Young Justice animated series, it will be replaced by....

Saturday Morning Watchmen

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[Kalyx triaD]

The gag that poked fun at adaptations? Nah.

It'll be replaced by something that has Babs Gordon killing Cassandra and Stephanie in a brutal yet oddly sexy Batgirl mud fight.

[Krimzon7]

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[Kalyx triaD]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdkccn6PAs1r7ni1io1_1280.jpg

This needs a cartoons, stat.

[Tom Guycott]

J'onn in the background with the massive plate of cookies. He is ruin'd for life!

[Lock Jaw]

Lil' Gotham update: In the Thanksgiving edition, Barbara Gordon is Oracle, and Cassandra Cain is present. No sign of Stephanie Brown.

[Kalyx triaD]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mds3yjlGR11r7ni1io1_1280.jpg

Holy fuck.

[Fignuts]

Beras a dyke.

[Kalyx triaD]

I imagine most Amazonians are.

[Shadow]

Man Bruce is awesome!

[Kalyx triaD]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me16r4OYM41r7ni1io1_1280.jpg

[Tom Guycott]

THE GOSHDARN BATMAN!!!

Also, Bera in relation to everyone else around her reminds me of Mari from Project A-Ko.

[Kalyx triaD]

Is she a known Amazonian?

[Lock Jaw]

Never heard of Bera or Kyri.

Then again, I am not hugely knowledgeable on Wonder Woman.

[Kalyx triaD]

I just figured if the author went through the trouble of naming them they must be a nod to something from Wonder Woman. Maybe we'll see Artemis, though.