DC Universe Thread

[Nowhere Man]

Doomsday is not a villain. He's a walking plot device. You can't carry a whole movie on a single fight scene, and that's the only thing that Doomsday has to offer. Fuck Doomsday, he sucks.

If you have to have the big meaty villain because Superman needs to punch someone, go with Darkseid, or Mongul, or even Metallo (my personal hope for the next Supes villain is Brainiac). At least they have actual personalities and backstories and aren't just half-assed ripoffs of the Hulk.


The last time I read a DC comic, I think Lex Luthor was the President or some nonsense. Is this still the case?

Luthor was deposed around 2004 after finally being outed as a supervillain. The whole 'President Lex' thing was little more than the DC writers taking a big pot-shot at Dubya.

Also, personally LL bores the shit out of me.

Luthor can be one hell of a villain when they play to his strengths (the fact that he's the smartest person ever and can whip up technology so advanced that it might as well be magic, the fact that he's a megalomaniac with a god complex who believes it's his duty to 'save' humanity from Superman, etc). If they went to the next level with it and essentially turned him into an evil version of Doctor Who, I think he'd still be a villain worthy of being Superman's arch-nemesis. Instead, he usually just gets written as a poor man's Norman Osborn or Kingpin.

[Rammsteinmad]

Doesn't really matter if Doomsday isn't a 'villain', since they can make exceptions for a movie.

As for Luthor, the problem is (for me anyway), despite being über smart etc, he's just a regular human being. How the fuck am I supposed to accept that Superman can beat Doomsday, Darkseid, Metallo and all these other fucking monsters, yet time and time again he gets one-upped by a fucking human being?

I've said it before and I'll say it again, nothing will interest me in a Superman movie now, unless we see him take on some fucking monstrous creature such as DD or DS.

[dronepool]

How the fuck am I supposed to accept that Superman can beat Doomsday, Darkseid, Metallo and all these other fucking monsters, yet time and time again he gets one-upped by a fucking human being?


Planning.

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[McLegend]

Nowhere Man is going to get pissed after seeing that.

[Nowhere Man]

Eh, not really. That was quite a good fight-- Batman played on Superman's boy-scout morality to resist Poison Ivy's mind-control (notice all the leaves around Supes' neck), knowing Clark pull his punches enough for Bruce to survive, and then by having Catwoman throw Lois off of the Daily Planet building, forcing Superman to break out of Ivy's control in order to save her and ending the fight.

Goes to show that with the right plan and enough brains, you can take on a Kryptonian pretty easily (In fact, Superman gets his ass kicked an awful lot in the comics, basically to appease non-fans who just bitch and moan about the fact that he's 'too powerful' and 'nothing bad ever happens to him.').

And Batman's got an even more strict no-killing code than Superman. Take someone like Luthor, who's got no problem butchering thousands of people to get what he wants and is even smarter than Batman, and put him in a similar situation, and you've got a real genuine threat. That's how you pit human villains like Luthor; you play on his moral limitations, put him in situations where being able to fly really fast and pick up heavy things don't do him any good, use Lex's massive resources and influence to turn the world against Supes. You don't just have him challenge him to a fist-fight.

That's what I really can't stand about the argument that people just want to see a villain that can punch Superman. Would The Dark Knight have been any better if the Joker was also a ninja who could hang with Batman in a kung-fu fight? A proper villain needs to challenge the hero on a mental and philosophical level, not just a physical one. It's a lot more satisfying to see a grand master-plan unfold or see the villain twist the hero's beliefs against him, not just have them roar and throw punches really hard.

[McLegend]

Switching gears to lighter note.

I finally saw Watchmen on TNT last week. I have to say despite what many people said on here at the time...

The ending in the movie is not nearly as good as the book. I get it makes more sense that's it Dr. Manhatten, and not some weird Alien thing. The whole emotional impact was felt way harder in the book. When Manhatten and Sally Jupiter's kid came back from Mars why wasn't she totally devasted by the massive loss of humanity.

They also took out the best part of the book. Right before the big Exploison in New York when everyone runs to break up the fight, which interlocks all of the watchmen's stories. How they all think humans are curel, and then right before the end of the world humanity unities for a common good which shows that maybe they aren't curel and possibly can surive.

They needed that part in the movie. Overall it was a good movie, and they did have many important scenes from the book in the movie. The fight scenes were very well done to.

[Rammsteinmad]

Eh, not really. That was quite a good fight-- Batman played on Superman's boy-scout morality to resist Poison Ivy's mind-control (notice all the leaves around Supes' neck), knowing Clark pull his punches enough for Bruce to survive, and then by having Catwoman throw Lois off of the Daily Planet building, forcing Superman to break out of Ivy's control in order to save her and ending the fight.

Goes to show that with the right plan and enough brains, you can take on a Kryptonian pretty easily (In fact, Superman gets his ass kicked an awful lot in the comics, basically to appease non-fans who just bitch and moan about the fact that he's 'too powerful' and 'nothing bad ever happens to him.').

And Batman's got an even more strict no-killing code than Superman. Take someone like Luthor, who's got no problem butchering thousands of people to get what he wants and is even smarter than Batman, and put him in a similar situation, and you've got a real genuine threat. That's how you pit human villains like Luthor; you play on his moral limitations, put him in situations where being able to fly really fast and pick up heavy things don't do him any good, use Lex's massive resources and influence to turn the world against Supes. You don't just have him challenge him to a fist-fight.

That's what I really can't stand about the argument that people just want to see a villain that can punch Superman. Would The Dark Knight have been any better if the Joker was also a ninja who could hang with Batman in a kung-fu fight? A proper villain needs to challenge the hero on a mental and philosophical level, not just a physical one. It's a lot more satisfying to see a grand master-plan unfold or see the villain twist the hero's beliefs against him, not just have them roar and throw punches really hard.

That's all well-and-good, but Luthor has already made five, possibly six movie appearances. I want me some Doomsday! :foc:

[Kalyx triaD]

Doomsday would only work as somebody's muscle. Perhaps refashioned as a Lexcorp experiment, Brainiac's pet, or even Darksied's minion, but he will never headline as the main villain. He was simply a gimmick, even if Death of Superman was a historic thing.

[Rammsteinmad]

Doesn't matter. I just wanna see a non-human looking villain.

[Rammsteinmad]

Besides, it doesn't really matter what Doomsday was... the movie has to cater to cinema-non-fans as much as comic fans. They could easily alter him to fit into the movie.

[Nowhere Man]

Doomsday would only work as somebody's muscle. Perhaps refashioned as a Lexcorp experiment, Brainiac's pet, or even Darksied's minion, but he will never headline as the main villain. He was simply a gimmick, even if Death of Superman was a historic thing.

And honestly, have you read Death of Superman lately? It was fucking horrible.

[Rammsteinmad]

The last time I read DOS was something like ten years ago, but I loved it back then.

Superman/Doomsday was pretty epic too. Probably why Doomsday is one of the only Supes villains I care about.

Just think he would be a badass monster to see on screen, and the fight would rage across the city with shit-loads of destruction etc, would look pretty sweet.

Or Darkseid.

[Rammsteinmad]

Nowhere Man: Just curious, is Superman your favourite character?

I remember someone in this thread said this a while back. Can't remember who it was and too lazy to read through the thread to find it.

[Nowhere Man]

Yes, Superman is my favorite character. Has been since I read Kingdom Come about ten years ago. That's why I get so bent out of shape when people want to just take the Michael-Bay-Transformers approach to the franchise and dilute it down to just monsters and fight scenes for the sake of people who aren't even all that interested in it.

[Rammsteinmad]

Well, my question had nothing to do with you 'getting bent out of shape'... I was simply curious.

Anywho... Gimme Doomsday or Darkseid and let Michael Bay direct it with 17 explosions-per-minute and I will be happy. :p

[Kalyx triaD]

Superman is one of my favorites, though lately I've been a Thor mark.

[El Fangel]

Having read Superman comics, I can whole heartedly agree with what NM is saying and state that whos idea it was to make Superman Returns deserves to burn to death in a boiling pit of tar while fireants are poured over their face and ghost chili sauce is shot up their nose.

[parkmania]

though lately I've been a Thor mark.

Have you heard what's happening with Thor soon?

http://icv2.com/images/20874ShatteredHeroesFINAL_LG.jpghttp://www.icv2.com/images/20800MightyThor_8_Teaser_LG.jpg

[Rammsteinmad]

That doesn't really explain much. Though I haven't read Fear Itself so I dunno.

[Kalyx triaD]

I'm a mainstream Thor mark. I can't be arsed to follow the funny books. I do know Thor got his ass handed to him by Odin in Fear Itself 1. I liked that.

[Rammsteinmad]

Oh, that Tanarus picture didn't show up for me the first time... still doesn't explain much to me though.

[Nowhere Man]

Well, my question had nothing to do with you 'getting bent out of shape'... I was simply curious.

Anywho... Gimme Doomsday or Darkseid and let Michael Bay direct it with 17 explosions-per-minute and I will be happy. :p

Didn't mean to come off as condescending, and I apologize if I did.

It's just....I've been a hardcore fan of the comics for about a decade, I've read some absolutely phenomenal stories, and some total garbage ones. I've seen the best and worst of what the franchise has to offer, and when you've got a series that's been around for over seventy years, it's got an awful lot. There are tons of great characters and villains, lots of great stories from guys like Elliot Maggin and Alan Moore and Mark Waid that delve into all the things that work and don't work about Superman, lots of creative plots and problems that only someone as powerful and implaccable as Superman could solve. The potential for truly epic, high-concept storytelling is there, and you can do so much with that franchise that you just can't do with someone like Batman or Iron Man.

And yet, from just about every discussion I've had with non-fans, all they see is a two-dimensional strongman who wins all of his fights without breaking a sweat, and that the only villain ever worth using is the big dumb monster who's only famous for killing him in a comic that was frankly pretty terrible and only existed as a publicity stunt in the first place. The common complaints about the \S/ mythos ("he's too powerful, he's too much of a goody-two-shoes, how come nobody notices Clark is just Superman with glasses," etc) have been addressed over and over and over and over and over in the comics, but since most people don't read the comics, the common perception of the character never changes.

It's just really frustrating, trying to get people to see what you like in a character or a story that is really only ever discussed as fodder for people to bash it when comparing it to 'cooler' series.

[parkmania]

Oh, that Tanarus picture didn't show up for me the first time... still doesn't explain much to me though.

Yeah, I had temporarily forgot to put the second image in...

[Kalyx triaD]

Here’s the thing: I am sick and tired of super-heroes who aren’t super and aren’t heroes, but more, I’m sick and tired of Hollywood blaming us for their failures. I am sick and tired of hearing various Hollywood studio execs who are as disconnected from the reality of middle-American taste as Rick Perry is from Christianity excusing the poor performance of their ill-executed product by tacitly blaming you, me, and everyone else of us who didn’t pay to see their garbage. Catwoman fails? Instead of, perhaps, just perhaps, acknowledging that the movie is a piece of excrement unworthy of use as fertilizer, they conclude instead that a female lead can’t open a movie unless her name is Jolie. So now we’re not only guilty of not being willing to pay for 90 minutes of intellectual abuse, we’re all apparently sexist jerks, as well. The problem with Green Lantern’s performance at the box office is that it’s not “gritty” enough? I don’t think so.

Art – and even if that art is commercial art, produced for entertainment – feeds and is fed by the society that consumes it. So I ask you, right now, looking around you, what flavor of escapism will go down best with you? In an era of terror alerts and bipartisan dysfunction, of rising hate and blossoming intolerance, of bank failure and wide-spread, global unemployment and recession, is gritty really what we need?

Look, I like gritty. I write gritty. There is a time and a place for gritty. I’ll take my Batman gritty, thank you, and I will acknowledge that such a portrayal means that my 11 year old has to wait before he sees The Dark Knight. But if Hollywood turns out a Superman movie that I can’t take him to? They’ve done something wrong. Superman is many, many things. Gritty he is not, something that Richard Donner certainly understood.

(Pet peeve time: for the contingent out there who sneer at heroes like Superman and Wonder Woman and Captain America, those icons who still, at their core, represent selfless sacrifice for the greater good, and who justify their contempt by saying, oh, it’s so unrealistic, no one would ever be so noble… grow up. Seriously. Cynicism is not maturity, do not mistake the one for the other. If you truly cannot accept a story where someone does the right thing because it’s the right thing to do, that says far more about who you are than these characters.)

This is not an argument of era or audience sophistication. Sophistication does not negate sincerity, nor does it even deny it, as the Captain America movie proves. Sophistication demands better storytelling, clearer motivation, purer intention. “Gritty” is an apologist word in this sense, used in the place of “realism.” We don’t go to the movies for “realism.” This is why documentaries aren’t the major product in the theaters. Sophistication does not demand realism; it demands smart.

[LuigiD]

I think some of us like Superman at the more intellectual capacity. The problem is that..not to sound like a Debby Downer..I just don't see that translating well in film. Maybe I am too negative. I love the Kingdom Come Superman and a lot of other stories he has over the years. Superman #666 was a great story IMO. I wish they would have expanded it longer than one issue. Made me feel like Superman is the John Cena of comics and he might crack some day.

[Kalyx triaD]

Superman is not the Cena of comics. Batman is. Let's be honest here.

[Lock Jaw]

And honestly, have you read Death of Superman lately? It was fucking horrible.

Hey, I love the Death and Return of Superman story. Awesome stuff.

[LuigiD]

http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/1/10827/896627-586133_46721_front_large.jpg

[Rammsteinmad]

Like seriously, check out this fan-made Superman/Doomsday video. Pretty awesome video to be honest. But come on, who wouldn't want to see a proper, big-screen big-budget version of this? Would be incredible! Since they can afford to make a few changes to cater to non-comic fans, you could either replace Doomsday with Darkseid, who maybe have Doomsday as one of DS's generals or something?

Either way, this video has me sold on why I want to see a Superman movie with a fucking beast of a villain, and not another human.

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[Rammsteinmad]

Also, I don't think the Death of Superman story would be any good for a movie, but that video is really epic and dramatic. Really feel for Superman, it's like he has no choice but to face this fuck-off monster of a beast, Doomsday, because he's the only one who can.

[Kalyx triaD]

I miss Brandon Routh.

[Lock Jaw]

Catching up with DC Comics again. Feeling great depths of sadness as I read the last stories of whatever series.

[Lock Jaw]

THANK HEAVENS

It has been confirmed that there will be a Justice Society of America series in the DCnU, written by James Robinson no less.

The catch is that it will be set on Earth-2.

So who knows which characters make the cut, or if they decide to bring dead ones back to life.

[LuigiD]

Went to the comic store the other day and "changed" my mind about the reboot. Ended up subscribing to JLA and Batman.

[The Destroyer]

You got sucked in by the hype. :(

[Nowhere Man]

You're dead to me, Luigi.

[LuigiD]

Just the first 3 issues of each.
If they are good then I will come here and share my discovery.
If they are bad, I will just delete that post and this one to prove that it never happened ..

[dronepool]

I also subscribed to Justice League, Batman and Action Comics. The idea of a new DCU doesn't bother me as much, I already know that comics always use sales gimmicks and sometimes they happen to churn out good stories from whatever gimmick they do, depending on the creative team.

I tend to go for creative team and characters I like, so yeah.

[LuigiD]

Does anyone remember the heroes reborn deal Marvel pulled like 15 years ago?
I have some of the issues still. Remember it sucked. The reboot is kinda reminding me of that ordeal.

http://images.comiccollectorlive.com/covers/367/367be336-270c-48cb-b657-e2c99dcb4811.jpg

[Lock Jaw]

Read the last of the old universe Batman stuff. Really gonna miss:

- Dick Grayson as Batman
- Dick Grayson and Damien as Batman and Robin
- Stephanie Brown as Batgirl
- Stephanie Brown and Robin interactions
- Red Robin as he currently exists
- Birds of Prey core team of Oracle/Black Canary/Huntress/Lady Blackhawk
- Barbara Gordon being a cripple
- Harley Quinn being Harley Quinn

[Nowhere Man]

Don't worry--they'll all be back within a year or two when the novelty of the reboot wears off and they try to spike sales again by reintroducing the 'classic' DCU in yet another gimmicky event.

[Lock Jaw]

I assume it will revert back somewhat eventually, but never to the current status quo.

[Nowhere Man]

It'll probably be like the post-Infinite Crisis continuity, where they just kind of cherry-picked what stuff they wanted to bring back from pre-CoIE, what stuff they wanted to keep from post-CoIE, what new stuff to bring in, etc. I imagine when they inevitably undo the reboot (my guess is so it'll line up with Detective Comics #900--no way in hell they'd skip out on that milestone), it'll be a mish-mash of pre- and post-reboot DCU.

[Lock Jaw]

It already is a mish-mash. Some titles are getting a full reboot. Others like Green Lantern seems to be getting no reboot at all.

[Nowhere Man]

Which kind of seems pointless to me. Why bother doing a company-wide mass reboot, changing flagship characters like Superman to the point where they're barely recognizable, but then leave one of your biggest franchises untouched? I understand that, other than Dick and Tim and Barbara all getting demoted, Batman's continuity is largely unchanged too.

I guess it could be said that those franchises were already rebooted and retconned enough in recent years (all of the huge changes Johns has done to GL since Rebirth, Morrison's stuff on Batman like adding in a bastard son, etc), but then it just comes off as certain writers getting to have their works set in stone while everyone else's gets thrown into the bin.

[Lock Jaw]

Well, Geoff Johns and Grant Morrison had the largest creative input into the reboot... and they were both probably like "Yeah, let's reboot everything.... oh, but except for the books that we are working on. We don't want to lose all that stuff we did. Screw those other guys though."

[Rammsteinmad]

DC wouldn't have any of these problems if they just did a live-action Superman/Doomsday movie.

[Kalyx triaD]

Doomsday sucks. Get over it.

[dronepool]

http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/action-comics1.jpg

[Kalyx triaD]

Hmm...

[dronepool]

http://www.fastcompany.com/1775787/dc-comics-grant-morrison-action-comics-superman?partner=gnews

It's the most iconic title in the DC Comics canon. When the original Action Comics #1 debuted in 1938, it featured the first appearance of Superman and is regarded as the first superhero comic. It's also the most expensive--last year, #1 commanded $1 million on the auction block.

On Sept. 7, DC Comics will launch the revamped Action Comics, written by veteran comics auteur Grant Morrison--hot off his lauded new book, Supergods. Morrison has the superhuman task of reinventing one of the comic world's--and popular culture's--biggest characters for the 21st century, and, in the process, trying to write a new chapter for the struggling comic book publishing industry.

"I felt the weight of history with this one," says Morrison in his soft-spoken Glaswegian lilt. "I wanted to do something that was as much a part of these times as when (Action Comics) first came out. Superman has always been the champion of the oppressed. I wanted to move away from the standard superhero tales and in the direction of folk tales in the vein of a Paul Bunyan."

In the revised version, featuring art by Rags Morales (penciling), Rick Bryant (inking), Brad Anderson (color) and Patrick Brosseau (lettering), Morrison pares down the convoluted narrative that began overshadowing the Superman myth. "It had become a pro-wrestling contest between characters-- who was stronger, faster, bigger," he says. "I wanted to evoke a more universal human Superman, who was less of a costumed figure representing patriotic authority, and more about struggles on the street."

The exclusive page 18 panel shown above is the first major shot of the Man of Steel transitioning to alter ego Clark Kent--sans his trademark horn-rimmed glasses--after thwarting trouble in Metropolis. Superman's fighting crime, of course, but the authorities are suspicious of his powers. He's misunderstood. He's different.

The Action Comics overhaul is part of DC's 52-title, issue 1, day-and-date publishing reboot that kicks off Aug. 31 with Justice League by writer/DC Entertainment Chief Creative Officer Geoff Johns and artist/DC Comics Co-Publisher Jim Lee. The remaining titles will be released throughout September as a way to combat an overall trend in waning comic book sales and attract a new generation of readers through modernized characters and storylines.

The first six issues of the new Action Comics delve into the origin and evolution of Superman's costume from a makeshift blue jeans and "S-emblem" T-shirt to the blue bodysuit, redesigned by Jim Lee and the source of much fanboy hand-wringing. The one constant is the red cape: "It came with him from his home planet and is indestructible," says Morrison. "No one's depicted it as a security blanket before, protecting him from all harm. It gives it a fairytale feel, before his powers fully develop."

For all of his current enthusiasm, Morrison was initially apprehensive about taking on the assignment when DC Comics Co-Publisher Dan DiDio called at the beginning of this year.

"I wasn't too sure about it," he says. "I was already doing Batman. But I had some ideas about Superman's early years that I'd never had a chance to use. He's initially more of a blue collar, rough-and-ready character who has to grapple with developing superpowers and what it means to be Superman. He's the son of brilliant scientists from this other planet, but he grew up baling hay and working in a convenience store, which is where he gets his morals."

Just as the first Action Comics premiered against the backdrop of the Great Depression, imminent technological advancements like television, and the rise of Nazi Germany, Morrison wanted to tap the zeitgeist of current economic and global turbulence, as well as infuse his foreigner's perspective of America to into Clark Kent's alien acclimation to humans.

"I'm definitely aware of the current atmosphere, and have addressed that, not in drawing from the headlines, but symbolically dealing with combating a sense of existential terror," says Morrison. "Sometimes a perspective from the outside enables you to see the best of what America has to offer."

Serendipitously, Morrison's work on his memoir/cultural history of superheroes, Supergods: What Masked Vigilantes, Miraculous Mutants, and a Sun God from Smallville Can Teach Us About Being Human (Spiegel & Grau), helped codify Morrison's thoughts on Superman.

"The original Action Comics is a piece of art in its own right and way ahead of its time," says Morrison. "It helped me to use the concept of superhero to change the idea about self and culture from doom and pessimism to hope and possibility."

[Rammsteinmad]

Doomsday sucks. Get over it.

No, you get over it.

[Nowhere Man]

So Superman is basically Spider-Man now (fighting street-level bad guys, misunderstood by the authorities, bitches and moans about how his powers make him different), only with a security blankie for a cape. No thank you.

[LuigiD]

First reviews for JLA are coming in. They tend to be generally positive. Some disappointment since the media hyped it up so much but in general appears to be a decent read.

[Lock Jaw]

Man of Steel pictures:

http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/man-of-steel-costume1.jpeg
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WTF is this shit? Just terrible.

[LuigiD]

lol reminds me of Spider-Man.

[Kalyx triaD]

I like it. Sorta addresses my issues with the lack of yellow. Also seems like a reserved Micheal Turner variant, which is A-OK to me.

I like the suit.

[Funky Fly]

Well, fuck. I really wish they'd stop fucking with certain costumes "just because". Like, I can understand with X-Men because they change costumes all the time, but fucking hell, Green Lantern, Superman and Spider-Man have iconic costumes. Leave them alone, plz. [/rant]

[Kalyx triaD]

Compared to GL and Spidey, Superman lucked out. Spidey looks weird and GL was a fucking mess.

[Fox]

I just don't know. I'm going to reserve total judgment until I see it on film. But I still hold to my original sentiment that removing the red underwear is an unnecessary change. I'm also not a big fan of the look of his "belt" either, considering it doesn't even connect all the way around and isn't actually doing anything other than being a design element.

Again, I'm sure it will look awesome on screen, but right now, I'm in the "WTF" group at Snyder's decision to change the suit so drastically.

[Reavant]

damn a jacked superman in film

[Kalyx triaD]

Yeah, impressive... form.

[Captain of Fun]

That costume looks stupid.

Eveything in the last few pages of this thread looks stupid, in fact.

[Reavant]

your not being very fun there captain

[Captain of Fun]

You're not being very reavantist.

Whatever that is.

[Reavant]

yawn

[Jura]

Captain Planet could take Superman.

[McLegend]

Please I could beat Captain Planet.

Not just because he is a fictional character, but all is what I would need to do is literally throw my trash at him. He wouldn't stand a chance.

[Jura]

That pretty much how it is for Superman and kryptonite.

[Nowhere Man]

Yeah, but it's a lot easier to find litter than Kryptonite.

[Jura]

They sell them at the supermarkets these days.

[Kalyx triaD]

http://cdn.wwtdd.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/henry_cavill_superman_man_of_steel_august_30_2011_03-450x704.jpg

[Lock Jaw]

Terrible

[Kalyx triaD]

The Dark Knight Rises is probably gonna run laps around The Avengers box office wise, but sometimes I wonder what could have been if WB was happy with Superman Returns and Green Lantern wasn't a hack job and Joss Whedon got to do Wonder Woman. We'd probably have a proper Justice League by now, even earlier than Avengers.

And screw that mess they tried to pull years ago. That's not how team-ups work.

[Nowhere Man]

Superman: Ribbed for Her Pleasure!

Also, Clark's giant crotch bulge now really emphasizes the need to put a pair of shorts over that thing; he seriously looks naked without them. And what's the point of having a belt buckle if you don't actually have a belt to go with it? It's like they realized they need something in that region to break up the monotone blue tights, but couldn't bring themselves to put the trunks or belt back on, so they tacked on a non-fucntional belt buckle as a placeholder.

Oh, and while I'm at it, he's got Wonder Woman bracelets now, and the whole suit has the texture of a golf ball. Your new hero, ladies and gentlemen.

[Lock Jaw]

He's also got a bad haircut. :shifty:

[Rammsteinmad]

And screw that mess they tried to pull years ago. That's not how team-ups work.

What's this all about?

[Lock Jaw]

They had a live Justice League movie in the works a few years back.

[LuigiD]

Are you talking about this one? :rofl:
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[Lock Jaw]

No, more recent attempt.

[LuigiD]

I know. I was just messing.
The new one sounded like an epic clusterfuck. Just..was being terribly planned. Glad it flunked to be honest.

[Lock Jaw]

Lock Jaw Reviews The New 52

Justice League #1

The story takes place "Five Years Ago". It seems as if superheroes are pretty new and people don't trust them yet.

Batman runs around being chased by the police, while chasing somebody. Green Lantern shows up and behaves like an arrogant smug asshole, while Batman acts like a gritty arrogant superior asshole. Seems like the first time they have ever met. Batman naturally owns Green Lantern in like two seconds with a feat that would have been impossible in the old DC Universe.

Then they decide to go fight Superman because he is an alien.

All in all, pretty terrible debut for this new universe.

Also, not sure how this "Five years" thing is going to work. Because five years is a short time for in the present having all the history of Green Lantern and Batman intact. Batman averaging around a Robin a year or something.

[Captain of Fun]

Batman sounds like his All Star counterpart.

Don't know why they didn't just expand that universe.

[The Destroyer]

I read it, it was alright.

Everyone seemed like an arsehole though.

[Rammsteinmad]

I've read a lot of DC comics over the years, but I'm certainly now expert when it comes to the Distinguished Competition: don't DC do stuff like this every few years? Reboots? Some kinda 'Crisis' etc? 'Starting over'? That kinda thing...

[Captain of Fun]

Not this drastic.

[Nowhere Man]

Batman sounds like his All Star counterpart.

Don't know why they didn't just expand that universe.

Because All-Star Batman was garbage.

[Nowhere Man]

I've read a lot of DC comics over the years, but I'm certainly now expert when it comes to the Distinguished Competition: don't DC do stuff like this every few years? Reboots? Some kinda 'Crisis' etc? 'Starting over'? That kinda thing...

They do tend to use their big 'event' stories as an excuse to clean house a bit, retconning an origin here or there, but they've only done a mass reboot like this once before, back during the original Crisis on Infinite Earths. And even then, they all at least had pretty much the same costumes post-Crisis. This is the first time they've gone out of their way to do a complete clean break from the established DC mythos.

[Lock Jaw]

Lock Jaw Reviews The New 52

Action Comics #1

Wow. Just wow. How someone can get Superman so WRONG is beyond me.

Once again, this comic takes place in the "past". Superman only appeared six months ago.

Our first introduction to Superman comes with him bursting into a room-full of businessmen and proclaiming "Rats. Rats with money. And rats with guns. I'm your worst nightmare."

He is drawn as a shadowy figure who has perpetual glowing red eyes. He proceeds to intimidate one of the businessmen into a confession of using illegal cheap labour.

Meanwhile, the police are trying to get Superman to stand down/bring him in. Superman ignores them and tells them that they should "deal with the real criminal scum in this city, and then you won't need me to do it for you".

Rest of the issue is largely spent with him running away from the police and then the military/Luthor.

Generally, the whole issue feels like Superman trying to be Batman.

Absolutely terrible.

[dronepool]

I can't wait to get my copy, I know you don't like the way he's writing him, but remember this is still an early, naive Supes... and I love Morrison so I know I'll dig it.

[Lock Jaw]

Lock Jaw Reviews The New 52

Batgirl #1

Alright. Gotta admit, I liked this one.

Barbara Gordon is back in action. The Killing Joke is still in continuity, and she was still in a wheelchair. Thanks to "a miracle" she is now up and walking again. Naturally, she puts back on the Batgirl suit (which looks kinda armored now. Not the best, but not the worst either).

We see that she is rusty, and that the psychological effects of being shot still get to her. Especially now that she is putting herself in the line of fire again.

All in all, a good read.

Justice League International #1

Another one I enjoyed. Always liked books/characters with an international feel to them.

The team isn't quite there yet, but shows potential for growth. Feels like it could be a "fun" book. Enjoyed it much more than regular Justice League.

Biggest nitpick is that Booster Gold's redesign is pretty lame. Plus no sign of Skeets, his robot pal.

Swamp Thing #1

So this seems to be one of the titles that did not get a reboot at all. Seems to pick up pretty much where Brightest Day and the Brightest Day Aftermath series left off.

Alec Holland is alive again and trying to move on with his life, but of course it seems that he can't. Meanwhile, other mysterious stuff is happening. Also, Superman shows up for a conversation and pisses me off with the way he looks.

Not that much happens in the issue, but it is just enough to keep me interested.

Detective Comics #1

Pretty good. Not much to say about this one. Pretty "shocking" ending. Definitely has my interest.

One thing I am noticing, between this and Batgirl, Commissioner Gordon seems a bit younger. No white hair anymore. Or maybe he got some Just For Men.

Stormwatch #1

A bunch of characters from the now defunct Wildstorm universe are being introduced to the DC Universe with this one. Despite the Stormwatch name, the characters within seem to be more from The Authority rather than any Stormwatch I am familiar with (which, to be fair, is not much).

In fact, I am not really familiar with these characters at all. So I was kinda confused reading the issue. Not really a good intro for anybody who doesn't know these people already.

Only character I am familiar with is Martian Manhunter, who is apparently part of the team. He has a pretty "meh" redesign, but it is still better than his "One Year Later" redesign. His personality seems like it is more "cold" and uhhh... "gritty".

Anyways, I feel like I can't really judge this series yet. It seems like it could go either way.

O.M.A.C. #1

Pretty much what you would expect it to be. The series that no one asked for. Featuring a pretty lame re-imagining of the Cadmus Project. Seems like the gist of this series is dude gets periodically transformed into a robot by Brother Eye, and does its bidding. Definitely gonna be one of the first on the chopping block.

Animal Man #1

Pretty great actually. Probably my favorite of the bunch so far. Really interested in this series and where it goes. I don't even mind Animal Man's new costume. For those not familiar with Animal Man, what made him great is the family dynamic. He is a married man with two kids. Seems like nothing much has changed in that regard.

[Kalyx triaD]

Just a note, not a reply to anybody in particular:

If you are going to put pictures in here... Can you please put spoiler tags on it? Now in the [any specific movie] thread you can do what you want, because that's the thread and if I go in there and I procede at my own risk

And it is law.

[LuigiD]

Got the chance to read some of the DC books..
Liked JLA..it is interesting. While the hardcore fans of Superman are angry, I kinda like what they are doing with the character. Perhaps it will evolve as some have pointed out. I feel like he was given the "edge" he was always missing to me.

[Nowhere Man]

That's the whole fucking point of Superman. He's not an angry 'badass' character like everyone else. He doesn't break in, insult people, and threaten them with his death-ray eyes. He's the guy you can actually trust, the guy you want leading the team because you know he's going to do the right thing.

I guess I should reserve judgment til I actually read it, but the idea of him just being Batman with a different costume really, really annoys me. DCnU's got too much Batman as it is.

[LuigiD]

Don't get me wrong, I understand why people like the old Superman the way he was. To me tho, that is not enough. I don't believe that there is "good guys" for the sake of being good. I am interested to see where the character goes. Who knows, maybe at this point he is just "immature".

[Lock Jaw]

I get the point that it is a young and brash Supes in Action Comics, but still... For Action Comics #1... for any kids just getting into it... their first impression of Superman should not be dark and gritty.

[dronepool]

I get the point that it is a young and brash Supes in Action Comics, but still... For Action Comics #1... for any kids just getting into it... their first impression of Superman should not be dark and gritty.

I love it, but yeah I see what you mean but Morrison always wanted to write Golden Age Superman and this fist arc is his chance, after issue 6, it'll be up to modern times and we'll probably get a similar Supes, just maybe a bit more gritty because his parents died earlier now... I guess it's all depending on writer, but anyway, isn't dark and gritty all the rage for kids these days?

Maybe the regular Superman title will be more like the Clark we know? We'll see.

[Nowhere Man]

Okay, so my morbid curiosity finally got the better of me. Rather than just take other people's word for it, I went out and actually grabbed a copy of Action 1. After what Lock Jaw said, I went in fully expecting to hate it.



And I ended up really, really liking it.

Don't get me wrong, it doesn't start off well. If there was a great big list of Things Superman Should Never Ever Say, "I'm your worst nightmare" would be right up at the top, along with calling people "rats" and threatening them with his laser eyes. That really rubbed me the wrong way.

However, once I got past that initial bit where Morrison apparently forgot he wasn't writing Batman, things do start to find their groove. Since the first arc of Action Comics is apparently them doing Golden Age-era stuff, I liked a lot of the nods they made to it, like referencing him roughing up a wifebeater and knocking around Nazis (well, Neo-Nazis in this case). The fact that Clark Kent's working at the Daily Star instead of the Daily Planet is another nice Golden Age homage, and it sets up a nice rivalry between Clark and Lois Lane, as well as some interesting stuff for Jimmy Olsen, as he works with Lois but has been best friends with Clark since he moved into Metropolis.

The comic itself moves at a really fast pace, but still manages to put in a lot of detail, hitting the major points of what's been going on in Clark's life and what Metropolis is like. Rags Morales' artwork is solid on the whole, but some of the faces look a little weird at points (Luthor's face is way too round IMO). And while the dialogue can be really grating here and there (again, "I'm your worst nightmare"....ugh.), the way everything's laid out still makes it a good read.

I still don't like the whole T-shirt and blue jeans look, but it does make sense if Superman's just starting out, and doesn't have access to the Fortress of Solitude or anything to make a proper suit. He seems a lot more utilitarian, and to be honest, it does make a little more sense that he'd be able to just hide the shirt under Clark's everyday clothes. I'm still hoping that he'll be wearing the proper tights and trunks at some point in between his 'mean streets' look and that stupid fucking armor Jim Lee made.

Character-wise, Superman's a little rough around the edges, again, more like he was in the late 30s and early 40s. It's actually a nice way to add some of those 'flaws' that so many non-fans complain about him needing, without making him a whiny selfish bitch like he was in Earth-One. Superman's cocky, overconfident, and has a pretty nasty temper, which is getting him on the bad side of the law and the military, and bull-headed enough that he'll charge right into whatever situation without knowing or even caring that it's a trap. That said, he's still going out of his way to save innocent people without needing some selfish motivation to do it, so at his core he's still Superman. Again, not exactly the Big Blue Boy Scout, but I'm assuming over the course of the comic we'll see him grow up and become a more genuine hero.

Keeping in line with the Golden Age stuff, his powers are pretty limited-- he can't fly yet, and his invulnerability hasn't really kicked in, so he's only just 'really goddamn tough.' I've stated time and time again that I don't like watered-down Superman; I like my Superman big and ridiculous and over-the-top, having to solve even bigger and more ridiculous crises. However, for the purposes of starting a new ongoing series, I do think it's a step in the right direction for them to ratchet that down a bit and have him grow back into it over time. If anything, it'll be a way to silence non-fans who bitch and gripe about how he's "too powerful."

I really liked the use of Lex Luthor in this issue, too, the way they're already establishing him as a major player in Metropolis and as a credible threat to Superman. It was also really refreshing to see Lex manage to incapacitate Supes without immediately resorting to Kryptonite or red solar rays.

All in all, I ended up reading Action Comics #1 three times today. The first time was me poring through it as the outraged fan looking for things to nitpick and get angry at. The second time was when I'd calmed down a bit, digested what I'd read, and then came back to it a little more objectively. The third time I read it just because I liked it so much the second time that I wanted to read it again. No, it's not the Superman that I've read and loved for years......at least not yet. But it is an entertaining comic, one that has an awful lot of potential to grow into a genuinely great series.

I wanted to hate this comic, I really did. I wanted to be mad and outraged and offended by how badly they got everything wrong, and therefore be justified for hating the DCU reboot from the word go. And from the reviews I've read of some of the other books, I'm still not sold on DCnU as a whole. But at the very least, Action Comics has sold me on it. It may be Superman For People Who Don't Like Superman, but instead of trying to turn him into something he never was (Smallville, Earth One), Morrison's instead brought back the spirit of the original Superman and put him in a modern setting. It's like watching one of the old Max Fleischer Superman cartoons, just with new clothing. It's not quite the iconic demigod character I wanted, but it is quite a bit of fun.

I still hate the fucking costumes, though.

[Captain of Fun]

http://www.bloodygoodhorror.com/bgh/files/1bodysnatchers.jpg

[LuigiD]

Interesting story:
http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/rorschachsrants/news/?a=46098

Religious comic store owners are boycotting Action Comics #1.

[dronepool]

lol, "GD" could mean anything. Out of all the 'blasphemous ' stuff other comics tend to have, this is nothing. This is just a gimmick to get their store a 'plug'.

[Nowhere Man]

I thought it was just him grunting.

[Lock Jaw]

Lock Jaw Reviews The New 52

The remaining Week 1 titles:

Batwing #1

When announced, I immediately thought this series as superfluous as and and as screaming desperately "HEY EVERYBODY!! LOOK HOW DIVERSE WE ARE! LOOK!".

I did actually enjoy it though. I don't see this book lasting, but it could be cool for awhile.

Green Arrow #1

Seems really different. Ollie seems younger, and less "world weary". New costume isn't bad. I don't mind him losing his trademark beard and stache either.

He seems to have a support team of tech people. He also still has some sort of job with Queen Industries.

He makes some comments in the issue, that make me question whether his origin has changed some or not.

Overall, not a terrible book... but not great either. Perfectly average.

Hawk & Dove #1

To be honest, I have never really cared for these characters. The Rob Liefield art in this book certainly did not help. Nevertheless, it was not terrible.

Continuity is confusing though. For some reason, Hawk does not really like Dove anymore. He misses his brother, the previous Dove, who died during the Crisis on Infinite Earths. So, I guess that story still happened in some way.

Brightest Day also seems to have happened in someway, because the Dawn and Deadman thing is present.

Anyways, not a terrible book. Still, I just don't enjoy these characters.

Men of War #1

Pretty meh. As the title suggests, this is an "army comic". Main character seems to be a descendant of Sgt. Rock.

Pretty much jumped the shark as a war comic already, when some flying, super fast, and super strong Metahuman appeared. Was hoping for something more "realistic" out of this book.

It could still turn out to be good, I guess, but I don't see it lasting.

Static Shock #1

First of all, his new costume is pretty terrible looking. Second, I admit to not being TOO familiar with Static but... he seems to have changed.

Seems less awkward and nerdy and more "I'm a genius, but I'm also in high school".

Anyways, did not really care for this issue.

[Lock Jaw]

Ranking the First Week:

1) Animal Man
2) Batgirl
3) Justice League International
4) Detective Comics
5) Swamp Thing
6) Batwing
7) Action Comics
8) Justice League
9) Stormwatch
10) Green Arrow
11) Hawk and Dove
12) Static Shock
13) O.M.A.C.
14) Men of War

[The Destroyer]

I can see several of this week's titles being cancelled pretty quickly.

[Boondock Saint]

Animal Man was definitely the best of the ones I read (Action, Stormwatch, JLI, JL, Detective)

I've read really good things about Swamp Thing so I'm probably going to pick that up. I do like Scott Snyder, his Detective Comics was great and am looking forward to his new run on Batman.

[Lock Jaw]

Lock Jaw "Reviews" The New 52

Week #2

Superboy #1

Overall, a terrible first issue. He has lost every piece of character development he has ever had and is starting off fresh. As in freshly cloned by something called N.O.W.H.E.R.E.

Instead of attempting to make him interesting, Superboy lives in a tube/lab and is all alienated and non-human acting.

In the end, looks like they are gonna sick him on the Teen Titans.

I guess this book could improve down the line, since it is literally a blank slate right now.

I just don't get why they used Cadmus in the OMAC book and not for this one.

Batman and Robin #1

Hmmm... I have to say... Something feels "off". I just don't like the interaction between Bruce and Damien as partners. I think Damien was a much better foil for Dick Grayson. I have faith that I will grow to like it though.

This did get me thinking though... once again about the confusing continuity. If Batman only appeared five years or so ago... how could Damien even be that old? Unless in the new continuity he was conceived while Bruce was around the world training.

Anyways, the whole Batman Incorporated thing seems to still be in continuity as well.

Deathstroke #1

Whole issue is basically to set up that this guy is a badass. And it works. Might be even a bit too badass for my liking. Also has some mystery going on, that leaves you wanting to know more. On the surface of it, his costume redesign looked very bad, bulked up with armour and spikes, but in action it kind of works in the new tone. I don't really think it was necessary though.

Overall, of course, I think the character was better before the reboot... but was not complete garbage now either.

Frankenstein - Agent of S.H.A.D.E. #1

I have never really cared for the Frankenstein character or, the whole S.H.A.D.E. thing. Anyways, this comic is basically all about monsters and creatures.

I still don't really care for S.H.A.D.E. and the return of the Father Time character who I really did not like. This time Father Time seems to be a little girl though. Whatever.

Only thing that is really keeping me interested in this book is that Ray Palmer is in it. Apparently he has not become The Atom yet, but he IS an expert in shrinking stuff, and science in general.

Also, the writer is a good writer, so he might be able to sway my opinion on the book.

Suicide Squad #1

Slutty Harley Quinn. Terrible redesigned Deadshot. King Shark. Some new(maybe) characters. The concept is pretty much the same. Villains in jail do time on the Suicide Squad to reduce their sentences.

Other than all the terrible redesigns (including a young and skinny, possibly slutty, Amanda Waller), it could be "decent".

Resurrection Man #1

I really enjoyed this one. Gist of it is that Mitch Shelley resurrects every time he dies. Each time he does so, he comes back with a different power, and a compulsion to do something. He seems to be hunted by one or more groups, because his soul is "overdue" or "powerful" or something. Yeah. I liked it. Makes me want to read the original series from the 90s. Same writers. Plus I heard good things about the 90s series. Looking forward to more of this one.

Legion Lost #1

A bunch of Legion of Super-Heroes members follow some baddie back in time and wind up stuck there. They could have at least given them one of the bigger names of the bunch. I bet the rest of the Legion are sitting in the future, chillin', not even noticing that half these guys are gone. Anyways, nothing special. Not terrible, but nothing special.

Green Lantern #1

Unaffected by the reboot at all. Continuing directly from War of the Green Lanterns. I guess as one of the men in charge of the reboot, Geoff Johns can do whatever he wants. I'm not complaining though, Green Lantern was "the goods" before the reboot. Just absurd how it is the only one that doesn't change a SINGLE THING.

Red Lanterns #1

I do not really see the point of giving the Red Lanterns their own series, but here it is... and it is good. Once again, picking up from War of the Green Lanterns. Atrocitus is already getting more fleshed out rather than just being ANGRY DUDE. They seem to be going in the direction of making him into a Spectre-type character. Vengeance and all that. I hope the other Red Lanterns get some more personality as well.

Grifter #1

Another character coming over from the Wildstorm universe, that I know nothing about. This seems to be an origin story at least. Cole Cash is a con man, or "grifter", if you will. Something mysterious happened to him and now he hears voices in his head and the people whose voices they are are trying to kill him or something. Ok. Didn't really find it anything special, but I will give it a chance.

Done for now.

[Nowhere Man]

And now the second opinions from NM:

Batman and Robin-
Y'know, I really don't like Damian as Robin, especially not while Bruce is Batman. With the proper Batman back in the cowl, you really need a foil to lighten the mood. Damian worked while Dick was Batman, because you had the interesting role-reversal of Batman being the lighter character with Robin as the brooding violent sociopath. Now you've just got the brooding violent sociopath and the other brooding violent sociopath. That, and if they're really going to keep Batman's whole continuity basically unchanged except for compressing time, then that means he's gone through 1 Robin basically every year or two, and that really doesn't look good for him. The plot wasn't much to speak of, as this was basically just them showing how the new Dynamic Duo works.....but to me, the new Dynamic Duo doesn't work. Perhaps it'll grow on me, but I'm seriously missing Tim as Robin right now.

Superboy-
I'm iffy on this one. I quite liked Red, and the portrayal of Superboy is interesting. Very nice character piece, but like SJ, I think they're trying too hard to plow through his development to shove him into the Teen Titans. Also, the N.O.W.H.E.R.E. organization really should have been Cadmus, and I believe they would have been if DiDio hadn't called dibs on them for OMAC. And I'm a little confused on the continuity-- in Swamp Thing they alluded to the fact that Superman already died and came back, but Superboy was a pretty integral part of the Return arc. So, Death of Superman happened, but Reign of the Supermen didn't, I guess?

Batwoman-
I've never read Batwoman before because I have never given a tinker's damn about Batwoman (you've already got Batgirl, who's more famous, more interesting, and has a much better costume to boot), and this didn't really do anything to change my mind. Very talky book, without much to make her stand out from the more interesting Bat-characters.

Deathstroke-
The artwork is very nice, and the supporting characters were actually fairly entertaining (which makes it all the more disappointing that they're casually killed off at the end). Unfortunately, as hard as they're trying to make Deathstroke super-cool and badass and whatnot, he's actually the least interesting character in his own book. Grimace, say a 'badass' one-liner, kill some people, continue grimacing. He's Batman with a body count and without character development.

Green Lantern-
I didn't read Brightest Day or War of the Green Lanterns, so I'm a little lost as to how Hal's ring ended up on Sinestro. However, once you get into it, it's actually quite entertaining. The 'down-and-out Hal' stuff may be trying a little too hard to dump misfortune in his lap in order to make him more relatable than his usual self, but honestly it works. And Sinestro is as awesome as ever, so that's nice. While I'm a little annoyed that folks like Superman are getting rebuilt from the ground-up but the convoluted and often difficult-to-follow GL mythos is left completely intact, this is as good a place as any to jump on.

Red Lanterns-
I don't really get the point of the Red Lanterns getting their own book, but at least they're trying to make it work. Atrocitus is basically the Spectre in space now, using his rage powers to become an instrument of vengeance, but the rest of the Red Lanterns still seem to just be snarling monster-people with very little to differentiate themselves from the Sinestro Corps.

Frankenstein, Agent of S.H.A.D.E.-
I'd never read Frankenstein before, but this one did hook me. It reminded me an awful lot of Hellboy, and I loves me some Hellboy. This should be a very entertaining creature comic.

Demon Knights-
Pretty mediocre title, to be honest. They do an awful lot of name-dropping and just kind of expect you to already know who most of these people are, which isn't good if you're a new reader or just never paid attention to DC's sword-and-sorcery stuff. Not as bad as Hawk and Dove (at least the artwork's decent), but definitely one of the weaker books I've read so far.

Legion Lost-
I know next to nothing about any of these characters, and they didn't do a good job explaining who any of them were, what they could do, how they ended up here, or really anything to get me to care about what was going on. It just expects you to have already read Flashpoint (or their tie-in, more likely) without anything to clue you in on the proceedings. So, yeah, I couldn't bring myself to care about this book at all; it just felt like padding so they could bring the list of books up to the magic '52' they were looking for.

Grifter-
Interesting premise, a con-artist being stalked by some sort of demons that possess people to attack him. His costume looks like a D-list Image hero, though. Overall, not a bad comic, but I'm not sure if it's solid enough to keep me coming back for more.

Mr. Terrific-

Pretty entertaining comic, does a good job of setting him up as a solo hero instead of just "that guy who's on the JSA." I'm a sucker for super-science heroes, and he's definitely one of DC's better ones. I didn't really fall in love with it, but I liked it just fine.

Resurrection Man-
Very cool comic, one that I hope sticks around. This is how you get people hooked on a character they haven't read before.

Suicide Squad-
There is absolutely no excuse for Harley Quinn to have been redesigned that badly. Seriously, she looks like a biker's tattoo; whoever green-lit that should be ashamed of themselves. Overall, the comic doesn't really do anything new, but I guess sets up the basics of how the Squad works. The writing's serviceable, but I can't get past how trashy Harley looks, and when that's the most memorable thing your book has to offer, you're in trouble.

All in all, Week 2 of the New 52 was pretty weak compared to Week 1. A lot of comics that just felt unnecessary, and comics that expect you to have read everything leading up to the 'reboot' to understand what's going on (which, again, is counterintuitive to the whole premise of the new universe) Some surprisingly good books in it, that I'm sure will be sleeper hits, but overall I felt a lot of what came out this week was just padding.

[Captain of Fun]

I don't understand how some character continuities changed and others haven't. How does that work?

[Lock Jaw]

A wizard did it.

Or some lady in a red cloak who appeared in Flashpoint #5, and has thus far appeared in every New 52 comic somewhere lurking in the background of a panel.

[Fox]

Not to be a dick, but isn't this thread supposed to be about DC "movie" news? Not DC Comic book news? \\

Just saying.

[Juan]

I think that ship sailed about 40 pages ago

[Captain of Fun]

Not to be a dick, but isn't this thread supposed to be about DC "movie" news? Not DC Comic book news? \\

Just saying.

(insert hilarious "deal with it" gif here)

[Lock Jaw]

Not to be a dick, but isn't this thread supposed to be about DC "movie" news? Not DC Comic book news? \\

Just saying.

I have said multiple times that this, and the Marvel Movie News thread, should have their titles changed. No one listens. So I discuss more than movies anyways. I AM A REBEL.

[XL]

I second Lock Jaw's Mission To Change The Thread Names.

[Kalyx triaD]

DC Comics Thread

Marvel Comics Thread

4yrs strong.

[Lock Jaw]

As the original poster, can you not change the thread title?

[Kalyx triaD]

Not after this long. You can change titles for a few days after you start a thread than it's locked. Only a mod can change them at any time, and TPWW mods are suspect.

[Lock Jaw]

Finishing up my Week 2:

Batwoman #1

I've been waiting for this one to come out for ages. It was supposed to start sometime last year, but they pushed it back so they could start it now. This is another one with pretty much no reboot. Continues directly from Batwoman's story in Detective Comics, and to someone who hasn't read it, I can see it being confusing. I really liked her stories though, and so am excited to see more. Greg Rucka isn't writing it anymore though.

Still, seems like it may maintain the high quality of the Detective Comics run. Same artist, who I like a lot.

Also, good to see Cameron Chase and the D.E.O. The D.E.O. is like ten times more interesting to me than S.H.A.D.E. has ever been.

Demon Knights #1

I was doubtful of the idea of Etrigan The Demon having another series. Never been a fan of him as anything more than a supporting character in various stories. They seem to have changed him though. Seems like he almost has some sort of sense of humor now. Also, he does not rhyme all the time.

Joining him seems to be Madame Xanadu, whose personality also seems less "serious".

Series seems to follow their adventures after the fall of Camelot in "The Dark Ages".

There is a lot in this book, to bring me back to it.

The only thing that I really HATE and DETEST is their inclusion of the Grant Morrison version of The Shining Knight. WHO I HATE AND DETEST. The original Shining Knight was an Awesome character and totally did not need to be Grant Morrison-ized at all. Of course, Grant Morrison is not writing this series, so perhaps this new Shining Knight can win me over. It is an uphill battle though, seeing how much I loved the original. Perhaps the original will be on Earth-2.

Mister Terrific #1

I enjoyed it. Mister Terrific's personality seems to be a bit "looser", and the science and technology he works with has been souped up to the max. I kinda miss his jacket, but his new costume ain't bad.

Karen Starr (AKA Power Girl) is in this book as well. Unclear if she has powers or not in this new universe. No idea how they could justify her powers/origins in the New Universe, so she might not have any.

[Lock Jaw]

Week 2 Rankings

1) Green Lantern (Feel like this shouldn't count though)
2) Resurrection Man
3) Demon Knights
4) Batwoman
5) Mister Terrific
6) Red Lanterns
7) Batman and Robin
8) Deathstroke
9) Frankenstein - Agent of S.H.A.D.E.
10) Superboy
11) Legion Lost
12) Suicide Squad
13) Grifter

[Funky Fly]

Not after this long. You can change titles for a few days after you start a thread than it's locked. Only a mod can change them at any time, and TPWW mods are suspect.

This is gonna be the DC Kalyx likes penis thread if you keep that up.

[Kalyx triaD]

Nah, I think I'll be saying what I want, sorry. And while you're here, care to queue up those new titles from #1866?

[Kalyx triaD]

Please and thank you.

[Funky Fly]

You're welcome.

[XL]

LOL

[Lock Jaw]

Not sure I feel comfortable posting in this thread anymore.

[Kalyx triaD]

Way ahead of ya.

[LuigiD]

LOL at the new thread title..

[Nowhere Man]

Slightly back on topic (the DC Comics part, not the Kalyx Likes Penis part)......is anyone else starting to think the DCU has way too many shadowy organizations? I mean, you've got Cadmus, N.O.W.H.E.R.E., S.H.A.D.E., Amanda Waller and whoever's behind the Suicide Squad, that Briggs guy and the UN cabal running the JLI....just seems like they could really stand to trim it down to just one or two big ones. I mean, Marvel pretty much can trace everything back to SHIELD, and that's worked pretty well for them.

[Lock Jaw]

Don't forget Stormwatch, which seems to be entirely based on the premise of a shadowy organization.

But yeah, even the pre-Flashpoint DC Universe seemed to have this problem.

They had the Department of Meta-Human Affairs (DMA), the Department of Extranormal Operations (DEO), S.H.A.D.E., and Checkmate.... who all pretty much did the same thing. Well, Checkmate did it on an international level, so it can be excused.

The other three seemed redundant, though. C'mon American government, how many organizations do you need that do the same thing?

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Beautiful. I clearly have a lot of moderating to learn :'(

[The Destroyer]

This is how it's done.

[Sixx]

So how about this Kalyx dude?

I hear he likes dicks.

[LuigiD]

Apparently there was a John Stewart cameo by Nick Jones Jr. for Green Lantern filmed but it got cut. Fucking appalled at how much they dropped the ball with the Green Lantern film.

[Damian Rey]

Hopefully, in about 5 years time, Warner pulls a Marvel and reboots Green Lantern all together ala Hulk.

I was super excited at the idea of the movie, until I read reviews.

[Nowhere Man]

Nowhere Man takes on the New 52, Week 3!!!!


Batman:

Like Green Lantern, Batman's continuity is pretty much unchanged, so there's no 'fresh start' to be had here. What we do have, though, is a really good jumping-on point, showing the awesome gadgets that Bruce is sporting these days, setting up the current status quo, and then throwing a bigass wrench in the works at the very end to get you into the next one. I also really liked the interaction between Batman and Harvey Bullock; it's nice to see Bats chat with cops that aren't Jim Gordon. The art's very nice as well.

Birds of Prey:

This one was.....mediocre. I mean, the artwork is nice (though Black Canary's new costume is kind of ugly) and it does its job of setting things up, but there's nothing really to make it work. Plus, the framing of the story, constantly switching between flashbacks and the present, was jarring and poorly constructed. And what's up with Barbara being against Dinah forming a new team? I mean, you'd think she would be on board at the drop of a hat, considering she can walk again now. It's nothing offensively bad, but it's also kind of slapped together and ultimately very forgettable.

Blue Beetle:

Seriously, can we please get Ted Kord back? I've been missing the Beetle/Booster duo for about five years now, and DC's never really done anything to make me like the new kid. It's annoying enough that their version of expanding diversity in their superhero lineups comes not from creating new and original characters that would appeal to the demographic they're meant to represent, but instead by killing off existing characters and replacing them with acceptably 'diverse' ones. It's even more annoying that they continue to shove a character down the audience's throat who has no interesting characteristics beyond his ethnicity.

Also, it annoys me to no end how they feel the need to hammer home the fact that he's Latino by having him speak nearly a complete sentence in English, then pick out one or two random words and say them in Spanish. That just seems cartoony. Granted, it's not as bad as in, say, Assassin's Creed II when everyone's Italian and it's assumed that they're speaking in Italian and the audience just hears it in English so you don't have to read subtitles, but then they'd pick random words and say them in Italian anyway, so it's like they're speaking double-Italian. In Blue Beetle, I can accept them being bi-lingual, even if it comes off as extremely forced.

Anyway, rant aside, this comic was serviceable. It did its job of setting up what the Scarab does, who's out to get it, and why. Plus the art really fits the tone of the comic, methinks. Overall, it's an okay comic, but like Birds of Prey, not a particularly memorable one.

Captain Atom:

This was an interesting book. I liked that Atom's got a bit more personality than he's usually portrayed, and the angle they're doing with his powers is pretty entertaining. The art seems like kind of a love-it-or-hate-it sort of stylistic choice (I personally did not care for it), but overall it's a solid book.

Catwoman:

Hey, I don't know if you're in the know on this, but.....are you aware that Catwoman has breasts? Because the writers apparently feel that raising awareness of Catwoman's breasts is a major issue in this day and age. I get that she's supposed to be the femme fatale character who uses her sex appeal to get her way, but I honestly cannot imagine being able to read this comic in public and not feel like an enormous pervert. Also, the ending where she has sex with Batman pretty much came out of nowhere, and seems like they blew their load way too early with that, both figuratively and literally.

Green Lantern Corps:

I really enjoyed this one. Guy Gardner and Jon Stewart play off each other really well, as both of them have trouble dealing with their 'down-time' and coping with the fact that they're usually redundant when you've got Hal and Kyle around. They also set up a rather interesting new threat for the GLC, one that should make for a very entertaining story.

Legion of Super-Heroes:

I am absolutely bowled over by how much I don't care about the Legion of Super-Heroes. And like too many of the lesser titles in the DCnU lineup, this comic didn't do much of anything to warm me up to them. Like Legion Lost, there's no real jumping-on point for new readers, so the whole thing feels really inaccessible unless you've already read the Legion before. I didn't actively hate the book, but it completely failed to get me to care about it.

Nightwing:

In terms of storyline, this one felt very weak, as a lot of it was just Dick putzing around until the last few pages. In terms of character, though, this one was great. Out of everyone in the Batman universe, Dick feels like the most developed and matured character, seeing how far he's come over the years, and it's nice to just follow him around and get back in touch with himself. The ending was a little jarring, though, but it did leave me wanting answers, and that's kind of the point of a detective story. Anyway, even if it did kind of drag its feet, I really liked it.

Red Hood And The Outlaws:

I've never cared about Roy Harper, and in my opinion the most worthwhile thing Jason Todd ever did was get killed. They played off each other fairly well, though. What really bugged me, though, was their treatment of Starfire. It's like they all sat down, looked at Harley Quinn's trashy new outfit, then went "okay, we're really going to have to apply ourselves if we want to make Stafire even more pointlessly skanky than that," and by gum, they pulled it off. I mean, now she's a flighty slut who doesn't remember any of her romance with Dick or her tenure on the Teen Titans because "human stuff is boring, now let's fuck." It's like she was written by a 13-year-old; nothing beyond pure wank material. And considering she's already boning both Jason and Roy at the same time, right now the only major long-term plot development they've got is when they're going to attempt a spit-roast on her. The art's nice, but the writing is drivel, and reinforces the stereotype that comic-fans are in dire need of getting laid.

Supergirl:

There isn't much going on here story-wise, although it does have a rather nice action sequence. Unfortunately, since the action sequence takes up the majority of the book, you plow through it really quickly and feel like you've only read half a comic. On the plus side, it does do a good job of making Supergirl rather sympathetic, showing how disoriented and confused she is arriving on an alien planet. A decent showing, and hopefully it'll get better as it goes.

Wonder Woman:

This one I was not expecting to like, let alone love. And I was wrong. This is one of the most intriguing and exciting takes on the WW mythos I've ever seen. Shifting gears away from being a traditional superhero comic and more towards mythological horror is a big step in the right direction, as it carves out a niche for Wonder Woman to excel on her own, without drawing comparisons to Superman and Batman (plus she can do the regular cape-and-tights stuff in Justice League). Having the Greek gods portrayed as unsympathetic bastards wandering around the real world doing fucked-up things is good too, as it gives Diana a way better cast of villains than her usual stuff, and calls up shades of Neil Gaiman. Wonder Woman's been needing an exciting new take on her franchise to justify her spot on the A-list for a long time now, and this absolutely gets the job done.

[Lock Jaw]

Lock Jaw Reviews The New 52 Week #3

Birds of Prey #1

This book really seems to have lost all of its charm. The only returning character is Black Canary, in a pretty iffy redesign. No idea what her continuity is supposed to be.

Apparently, though, everybody thinks that the Birds of Prey are a villain team (but they are not). Kinda taking a page from Black Canary's first appearances in the 40s.

New character named Starling, who seems kind of really generic, and possibly supposed to be a replacement for Lady Blackhawk, but without any of the charm. Full of tattoos that you just know artists are gonna get lazy drawing.

Catwoman #1

Selina seems to have taken a swing back towards moral ambiguity big time. It seems that she no longer know who Batman is, so that is at least one thing in the Bat-World that has been retconned. They have had "sex" though. Anyways, interesting enough read. Nothing special, but not terrible or anything. Catwoman seems extra slutty or something in the DCnU.

Green Lantern Corps #1

Pretty standard stuff here. I enjoyed this before the reboot, and since it has not changed much, I am sure I will enjoy it after. It does not seem to be as heavily invested in following up War of the Green Lanterns. In that nothing from it is mentioned at all.

Nightwing #1

Was looking forward to this one since I have grown to love Dick. Dick Grayson, I mean. I would have loved if he was still Batman, but this was still a solid read. Was worried that they were going to "mess him up" somehow. Looks like they haven't. I'd still like to know why exactly he stopped being Batman/see the conversation with him and Bruce where it was decided.

Wonder Woman #1

Kind of starts abruptly, took me halfway through the book, and a second "skim" through the book just to understand what was going on. I like her costume more than her "Odyssey" one, though I am not sure why they didn't just make the silver parts gold like they used to be.

Batman #1

Not much to say. It was Batman. Mysterious killings and whatnots. Standard Bat-Stuff. EXCEPT FOR ONE THING. The Riddler seems to have been redesigned so that he is bald, save for a "mohawk" in the shape of a question mark. Terrible.

Blue Beetle #1

Interesting. This seems to be going for a complete reboot, starting with an origin story. Certainly, I imagine Blue Beetle is more popular now due to his cartoon appearances in Brave and the Bold, so I guess they are trying to connect with that audience by starting from the beginning.

A lot of it is really similar, but at the same time, there seems to be slight differences. Hopefully they can get through the origins of the Scarab and the inevitable confrontation with The Reach without repeating the story from the old universe.

Captain Atom #1

No explanations really as to his origins, or who he is. Luckily, I already know all that. Well, the old version anyways. This version seems to be getting new powers/less human. It is ok.

DC Universe Presents #1

I assume this is gonna be a series to spotlight various characters who don't have books of their own. The first arc is featuring Deadman. I thought it did a real good job setting up who this character was, what he could do, and created interest in seeing where it would go from here. Definitely has me in for a second issue.

Legion of Super-Heroes #1

No reboot for these guys. Directly continuing from the last series, it seems. Probably massively confusing for new readers. The Legion is one of those things that I think is very difficult to get into. I only got into the Legion with the Mark Waid reboot, and then Geoff Johns bringing them back in Action Comics. Before that, it just seemed too much to jump in to. That said, I liked this better than Legion Lost. If only because it made more freaking sense.

One thing I did notice is that in both Legion Lost and now this, there were references to "The Flashpoint Effect" in the context of time travel. Braniac 5 even said in this issue that they could not go back in time for Superman's help anymore because of it. Interesting. And confusing.

Supergirl #1

Hmmm. I actually found myself enjoying this one. Her costume is terrible, though. I wasn't looking forward to them doing the whole Supergirl is new to the planet/confused/alienated thing again, especially since the last Supergirl was just finding her groove. However, it already seems better than the old Supergirl series was early on. Costume is terrible though, and Superman appears on the last page, pissing me off with his costume too. Looking forward to the next issue.

Red Hood and The Outlaws #1

Wow. Wow. I.... this is the probably the worst thing to come out of this new reboot. They seem to have turned Roy Harper (Arsenal) into a mercenary killer. They have turned Starfire into a massive alien slut. Also redesigning her costume to somehow show even more skin then it already did. But somehow, the old Teen Titans are still in continuity. Even though I have no idea how Roy or Starfire could ever be on such a team.

The only positive I'll give this book, is Jason Todd seems alright. Seems less "serious business" than before. More laid back and relaxed. That said, I still don't really care for him.

But yeah, this book was just horrendous. Worse than Superman's redesign bad.

[Lock Jaw]

Week #3 Rankings:

1) Nightwing
2) DC Universe Presents
3) Green Lantern Corps
4) Supergirl
5) Batman
6) Blue Beetle
7) Wonder Woman
8) Captain Atom
9) Catwoman
10) Birds of Prey
11) Legion of Super-Heroes
12) Red Hood and The Outlaws

[Fox]

Last week it was announced that the next feature-length animated DC Universe film would be titled Justice League: Doom and would debut its trailer at the upcoming New York Comic-Con. Today, TV Guide has a update and a look at the voice cast.

Doom will be based on Mark Waid's "Tower of Babel," a story that ran in JLA #43-46 and that featured Ra's al Ghul stealing Batman's secret files that explain how to defeat each member of the Justice League. Not only does the team have to contend with the onslaught of specially-focused attacks but also the betrayal of their teammate and friend.

Kevin Conroy will return as Batman, Tim Daly as Superman, Nathan Fillion as Green Lantern, Michael Rosenbaum as the Flash, Carl Lumbly as the Martian Manhunter, Susan Eisenberg as Wonder Woman and, new to the role, Bumper Robinson as Cyborg. Cyborg did not originally appear in the comic book version of the tale and appears to replace Aquaman and Plastic Man for the animated version.

Pretty awesome, IMO.

[LuigiD]

TOWER OF BABEL? I FUCKING LOVE IT!:y:

[Kalyx triaD]

Pretty much a DCAU reunion.

[Gonzo]

I'm brand new to comics. I have some friends that are real heavy into them. I picked up a bunch of the new 52, some at their suggestion and others that looked interesting. I will give you my opinions a la Lock Jaw. Don't be pretentious bastards to me:

Action Comics #1

I don't like the Superman character at all. I never have. Feel like it worked decades ago but is less interesting with time. That said, I liked this book. Superman had a edge to him that was enjoyable.

Legion Lost #1

Maybe it's because I don't know anything about the characters or world of Legion Lost but I felt this story was kind of "meh". Fairly disjointed. I'll give #2 a go but I may drop this.

Detective Comics #1

Fucking sweet. Ending was pretty mental. Interested to see how it develops.

Red Lanterns #1

I thought this book was sweet. I like the art. Don't really know anything about the Lanterns, but I enjoyed the book.

Animal Man #1

Interesting story. Animal Man is an interesting dynamic, speaking from a character perspective.

Demon Knights #1

Like Legion Lost, I didn't really understand who all the characters are. The art is fucking awesome in this book though.

I also got some other books but they aren't DC books.

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #1 & #2

Awesome. Brings me back to my childhood. Story arc so far is good. The nucleus is intact but there are some fresh aspects to it. Interested to see how it goes.

Ultimate Comics: The Ultimates #1

Book was sweet. I like the characters involved so maybe I'm predisposed to liking this book. Story arc shows promise.

Haven't read Batman #1 yet. I probably will tomorrow.

[Kalyx triaD]

Do Ultimates commentary in the Marvel Movie thread. Good post.

[Nowhere Man]

Rather interesting article regarding some of the more, ahem, "liberated" heroines of the New 52, particularly Catwoman and Starfire:

http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/09/22/starfire-catwoman-sex-superheroine/

[Captain of Fun]

http://www.shortpacked.com/comics/2011-09-26-math.png

[Boondock Saint]

Sums it up nicely

[dronepool]

I actually enjoyed Red Hood, it was entertaining. Besides the Teen Titans cartoon wasn't Starfire was always a bit 'slutty' just not as blunt? The whole Starfire 'controversy' didn't do much for me. I just read her scenes and went on with the book. Thought that kid taking pics was pretty funny. It just sucks that she has 'no memory', that's pretty lame. Either way, I liked how Jason planned the rescue for Roy and the action scenes are what this book entertaining to me.

I probably read around like 10 books from the 52 and this was pretty enjoyable. Not the best, but entertaining.

[Kalyx triaD]

Starfire was fairly g-rated in the cartoon, if anything you got more fan-service from miss goth onesie (her clothes even got 'ravaged' in a particularly good episode). The difference between her and DCnU Starfire are alarming. Even if the book isn't aimed at kids, some consideration for past characterization should have been taken. I mean, classic ongoing Starfire was also dressed slutty, but shades of her cartoon personality were still present. This Starfire is a blatant sex-addicted whore (I dig it, but I don't have that much stock in her anyway).

That panel with Batman and Catwoman makes me more uncomfortable if anything.

[LuigiD]

I read the stuff and went on with my life. I didn't find out about the "controversy" until I came online and saw all the bitching. I can see why people are "offended" but I personally don't give a shit. Straight and honest answer.

[Gonzo]

Batman #1

Enjoyed this book. I think I'll enjoy following this and Detective Comics at the same time.

[Lock Jaw]

Lock Jaw Reviews The New 52 Week #4

Superman #1

Looking past his terrible costume... I didn't mind a lot of the changes so much. I like the fact that the Daily Planet is now part of a larger media conglomerate that includes TV/Web stuff. Makes sense. Interesting to have Lois as "the boss" of the TV stuff, as well.

Jimmy Olsen seems to have a bad redesign as well, though. Hoped that was just the Action Comics artist, but it is here as well. He seems to have brown hair, no freckles, and a bowl cut looking thing going on. Makes him look really generic and tough to pick out of a crowd. Only reason I can tell he is Jimmy is because people call him Jimmy.

Anyways, way better than Action Comics.

Aquaman #1

Ahahaha. Not much happens in this issue, but I greatly enjoyed it. Much of the issue deals directly with the fact that nobody likes Aquaman, and how they don't think of him as anything but "That dude who talks to fish". Found it pretty enjoyable. Seems like Johns is gonna try his best to make Aquaman "cool".

Blackhawks #1

Not impressed at all. Not much to really say about this one. High tech united nations military division. That is somehow supposed to be top secret. But plasters their logos on all their uniforms and vehicles. A problem is created when someone snaps a picture of the logo on one of their planes and uploads it to the net.

How about... if you wanted to be secret... don't put logos on everything?

The cast seems iffy in this as well. "Irishman" is not Irish. "Canada" is not from Canada. This one is definitely gonna be canceled sooner rather than later.

Green Lantern: New Guardians #1

Probably the weakest of the Green Lantern books, if only because it spent a few pages retelling Kyle Rayner's origin story. From there, it picked up though. Ending really makes me want to find out what is going on, and where the book is going to go.

I, Vampire #1

Mildly confusing trying to figure out the timeline. Seems like a Good Vampire vs Bad Vampires story. Unless it gets better with the second issue, this is getting canceled quick. Unless people love vampires so much that they continue to buy it.

Teen Titans #1

Extremely crappy. Kid Flash and Wonder Girl are new heroes, seemingly with no ties to The Flash or Wonder Woman. Kid Flash seems like he has taken a step back towards Impulse (but not all the way back), while Wonder Girl seems to be some sort of tough delinquent type.

N.O.W.H.E.R.E., that group from Superboy, seems to be hunting teen heroes for some reason. Red Robin (who also seems different) decides he needs to gather a team. He also lets the bad guys see his face, so presumably they now know his identity, and can possibly even link Batman back to Bruce Wayne. IF they are as big and powerful as they are presented as.

Ends the same way as Superboy #1, with Superboy being released to do N.O.W.H.E.R.E.'s bidding.

The Fury of Firestorm - The Nuclear Men #1

Interesting enough to make me want to read more. Seems like a total reboot for Firestorm as well. Ronnie Raymond and Jason Rusch, the two dudes who were Firestorm in the old universe are both here. Both seem to be Firestorm. Hence the name. Also, there are possibly multiple other Firestorms around the world. Will read to see where this one goes. Thus far, I kinda enjoy the interaction between Ronnie/Jason and the supporting cast. Even if they instantly have to play the race card because one of them is black.

Voodoo #1

Fits right in with the DC New Slut-Verse! Seems to be all about a stripper, who is more than she seems. No idea where this is going. It kept me interested. I liked the art. Of course, both could do with the fact that it was full of women wearing very little or no clothes. I'm not angry about this one or anything, because it is a new character. It isn't like making Starfire a sex-pot or something.

All-Star Western #1

I'd heard good things about the old Jonah Hex series, but never actually got around to reading it. This is by the same team, so I was looking forward to reading it. It did not disappoint. I loved it. Hex comes to Gotham City and is working with Amadeus Arkham to find a serial killer. Pretty great stuff. May have to go back and download the previous series.

Justice League Dark #1

Not sold on it just yet. Don't know how I feel about Madame Xanadu being a character here, and in Camelot times in Demon Knights. Anyways, this is supposed to be a team of Magic people. Team is just forming, so it may get better once they are all formed and together. Overall, though, I think they could have just brought back Shadowpact.

The Flash #1

So, Superman and Lois Lane no longer being together was a big stink. Reading this book I find out that Barry Allen and Iris West are no longer married either. In fact, Barry seems to be dating some other woman. Have to wonder what exactly this means for his continuity. Where does this leave Wally West? Bart Allen? Who is the Kid Flash in Teen Titans? Did Barry ever die?

I DON'T KNOOOOOW!

What I do know is, is that his costume now has pointless lines all over it that glow when he runs fast. Looks crappy.

I think the jury is still out on this book, though. Will see what happens next.

The Savage Hawkman #1

If anyone could use a complete fresh reboot... its Hawkman. Unfortunately, they choose not to do so, and instead choose to make it confusing. They start off by having Carter Hall quitting to be Hawkman for unknown reasons. Making many statements that leave in question his continuity big time. In the end, he somehow gets new powers where his costume bursts out from his skin. His badly redesigned costume. Don't really "dig" what they are doing to Hawkman here at all.

Batman: The Dark Knight #1

Probably the worst of the Batman books. Didn't really care for it. Think it is one Batman book too many, anyways.

[Lock Jaw]

Week 4 Rankings

Felt this was definitely the weakest week. Had a hard time deciding the order of anything but the first two.

1) All-Star Western
2) Aquaman
3) Superman
4) Green Lantern: New Guardians
5) Firestorm
6) The Flash
7) Batman: The Dark Knight
8) Voodoo
9) Justice League Dark
10) The Savage Hawkman
11) Teen Titans
12) I, Vampire
13) Blackhawks

[Fox]

Batman #1

Enjoyed this book. I think I'll enjoy following this and Detective Comics at the same time.

That's not a spoiler, dude.

[mitchables]

echoing the existing sentiment expressed already about starfire (really hate what they've done), another thing that kind of bothered me about the red hood book was that, in the interview that appears in the back of a tonne of the new 52 books, the writer is all "YEAH WE'RE MOVING JASON ON FROM HIS BAT AFFILIATION. BATMAN ONLY GETS MENTIONED TWICE IN THE FIRST TWO ISSUES AND NOT EVEN BY JASON!" but then they've slapped a bat-logo on his chest and thrown one into the series logo too. okay buddy. way to move on.

[Captain of Fun]

Still haven't read any of it. Dunno if I will. After years of not really caring much for DC, they were finally getting me really interested in a lot of their books, and then this happens. It just seems frustrating, and I don't want to deal with it, so I'm going wait for the inevitable return of the regular DCU. Until that happens, I'm sticking excusively with marvel.

[DaveBrawl]

I picked up Superman #1 and The Savage Hawkman #1 earlier and I have to say I enjoyed them. I didn't think I would enjoy Superman based off of some of the reviews I had seen, but I was pleasantly surprised as it was very enjoyable. Not much really happened in the book, but it was a pretty good standalone issue I thought.

Hawkman I wasn't sure of at all. I haven't read or really even seen the title since the 90's so I have no idea how convoluted it used to be, but I have always loved the look of the character so I figured while I was there, and every other comic I wanted was out of stock, this would be a good starting spot to see if the character was worth getting invested in. I agree with Lock Jaw in that I don't really care for the "suit" coming out through his skin, hated it when Iron Man did it as well, but that's just a minor personal preference. Nothing amazing happened by any means, but it was just simple straightforward storytelling with an interesting battle scene. The issue did it's job, perhaps more so that Superman, it has me anticipating issue #2 and what will happen next.

I was looking into getting a few other books such as Detective Comics, Action Comics, Batman and Green Lantern and all of them were sold out. The guy behind the counter said he had more ordered and they were issuing a second printing for a couple of them and a few were even on a third print. So hopefully this will be a sign of good things to come and not just a sales spike for DC.

[DaveBrawl]

Judging by this new 52 preview issue they had at the store Grifter looks like it could be an interesting book. I saw it on the shelf, but didn't pay much attention to it, but after looking through the preview when I got home I wish I had picked it up.

[Shadow]

Have you found the Woman In Red?

[DaveBrawl]

I did in Hawkman, she was pretty obvious in that one. Honestly I had forgotten about her, but she's so blatant in there that you can't miss her. I'd have to check Superman, but I'm sure she's in there too.

[DaveBrawl]

Ok went back and flipped through the pages and yeah found her in Superman too.

[Boondock Saint]

Aquaman was fucking great

[Nowhere Man]

Okay, so I read Week Four's comics to round out the New 52:

All-Star Western:
I love Jonah Hex. Even though the comic isn't even set in the West and therefore kind of subverts its own title right off the bat, Hex never ceases to entertain. The story was pretty cool, Jonah having to team up with Amadeus Arkham to take on sort of a pastiche of Jack the Ripper, which reminded me a lot of the old "Gotham By Gaslight" Elseworld story. Good times are had by all, except for those who get brutally murdered.

Aquaman:
I may never live this down, but.......Aquaman was my favorite book this week. It did a great job of showcasing him as an actually effective badass without making him a tool or a Namor ripoff, and hilariously poked fun at the common perception of him. Also, Anglerfish-people? Thanks, now one of my actual recurring nightmares has been committed to print.

Batman: The Dark Knight:
Whew, this one was a stinker. The artwork was sloppy, the story was clunky, and the whole thing just felt completely unnecessary. This was one Bat-book too many, and it shows.

Blackhawk:
I actually kinda liked it. It had sort of a GI Joe feel to it, which I thought was fun, even if the organization is yet another to pile onto DC's overcrowded market for shady top-secret societies. At the very least, everyone on the team seems to like each other more or less, which is a refreshing change from every team being a giant never-ending pissing contest.

The Flash:
Really fun comic. The artwork is perfectly suited for Flash, and while I see Barry and Iris have been separated by DC's apparent revulsion to the idea of couples being married, the character interaction works. Not a whole lot of action, but it does a nice job of setting everything in place for when it does start to pick up.

The Fury of Firestorm:
I really, really could not get into this book. Maybe it's because it starts with yet another shady secret organization trying to chase down the superhero. Maybe it's because of the very-special-episode vibe I got when Raymond asks his mom "why don't we have any black friends?" Maybe it's because Firestorm has always looked fucking ridiculous and now there's two of them. Either way, I didn't care about this book before, during, or after reading it.

Green Lantern: The New Guardians:
On the plus side, Kyle Rayner finally gets his own book again. On the down side, it's really weak. Kyle's suddenly a ring-magnet, and apparently all the different Corps are out to get him. It's a decent enough concept, but overall the execution is just kind of meh. Plus, I know a lot of people like it, but I hate that mask they keep giving Kyle that makes him look like he doesn't have a nose.

I, Vampire:
Very cool concept, very cool artwork, very cool book. I like the idea of vampires having to sort of scrape by in the shadows because the world's population of superheroes would just wipe the floor with them; it actually makes sense, as opposed to lots of vampire franchises where they stay hidden just because. I wasn't expecting much of anything out of this book, and was very pleasantly surprised by it. The DCnU seems to have an awful lot of these 'sleeper hit' comics, at least in month 1.

Justice League Dark:
I like the idea of having a division of the Justice League specifically devoted to occultism. Unfortunately, I know next to nothing about any of the members except for Zatanna and Constantine (and Deadman, but he isn't actually in the book yet). I do think they kind of missed the boat by not including a few more famous magic-powered heroes like Captain Marvel or Raven (not to say Zatanna isn't famous) or some really heavy-hitters like Phantom Stranger or Doctor Fate. It was interesting and crazy, but I don't think it was interesting enough to keep reading. Gotta agree with Lock Jaw, in that it really should have been Shadowpact.

The Savage Hawkman:
Okay, I didn't read this one. But I'll wager good money nobody else did either. I mean, c'mon, it's freaking Hawkman.

Superman:
My first impression was "Good God, that is a horrendous cover." I still hate Superman's stupid new armor look, and the shoddy cover art really doesn't do it any favors. Inside, the artwork is much better, fortunately, and I actually really like the potential the new status quo has: Perry and the Planet crew have to deal with the phasing-out of print in the digital age, Jimmy's got a sidekick of his own, Lois has to struggle balancing her journalistic integrity with the perks of working for Morgan Edge, etc. Clark didn't come off as particularly likeable, as he was either whiny or angry the whole time (On the great big list of Things Superman Should Never Ever Say, yelling out "Bull!" isn't quite up there with "I'm your worst nightmare," but it's in the top ten). Unfortunately, it's also really, really talky--nobody shuts the hell up, even while Superman's fighting a giant fire-monster. It gets from point A to point B, but it takes so goddamn long to get there that what could have been an excellent comic is merely a mediocre one.

Teen Titans:
Again, more superheroes being chased by shady g-men types. Apparently Tim Drake (who at one point stops to fondly reminisce about when he was actually allowed to be part of the Batman franchise) is the only one of the Titans who was an actual sidekick, as neither Kid Flash or Wonder Girl is associated with their namesakes (which makes me wonder why the hell Kid Flash isn't Impulse). I wouldn't go so far as to call it a bad comic, but it's a very forgettable one.

Voodoo:
A bisexual stripper who dances and shows off her tits for men's enjoyment, but then is revealed to be a shape-changing man-eating monster from another planet, who can't be trusted because she'll eat you alive when your guard is down. Y'know....this speaks volumes about DC's attitude towards women.

[DaveBrawl]

The Savage Hawkman:
Okay, I didn't read this one. But I'll wager good money nobody else did either. I mean, c'mon, it's freaking Hawkman.

:'(

[Kalyx triaD]

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[Kalyx triaD]

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[Nowhere Man]

Yikes. That's........something.

[Lock Jaw]

Action Comics #2 is a slight improvement. Only thing that took me as a real ":nono:" moment, was Superman threatens to break Lex Luthor's neck if he doesn't give his cape back.

Continued to really enjoy Animal Man. Enjoyed Swamp Thing as well. Seems like these two are somehow "connected tangentially".

Also continued to enjoy Justice League International. Probably the only "team" book that I am enjoying.

[Kalyx triaD]

Yikes. That's........something.

I gave The Batman a hard time, turned out to be good. Gave Brave and Bold a hard time, turned out to be good. Beware the Batman looks weird with Katana and Alfred all gun toting but hey, it may work.

[Fanny]

shouldn't the Jor-El pic be in spopiler tags at least??

[Kalyx triaD]

I wouldn't consider that spoilerish, but I will be more careful.

[Lock Jaw]

JOR-EL IS IN A SUPERMAN MOVIE?! SPOILERS. :'(

[Captain of Fun]

Finally saw Green Lantern today.

Gotta say, I really enjoyed it. Maybe it's because I had such low expectations going in, but it surprised me.

Reynolds as Jordan really exceeded my expectations. He toned down his smart ass personality just enough. Hal Jordan is no Guy Gardner, but he's still a bit cocky and brash. And in scenes where he had to portray the will and determination that define the character, he did great.

Rush as Tomar Re was perfect. GL Sinestro was great. He had just enough arrogance to sew the seeds of his future fall, but without crossing that line(until the post credits)

I actually like the movie parallax more than the comic version. Was more interesting as a fallen guardian, than as some generic ancient evil.

Hector Hammond knocked it right out of the park. Can't see how they could have made him better.

Only thing I really didn't like was Duncan as Kilowog. His voice, while deep and scary sounding, is still very monotone. Feel like kilowog should be loud and boisterous.

The suit looked better in motion, especially with that effect of energy flowing through it. When idle though? Yeah, looked shitty. But it didn't bother me that much.

In the end, It's no Dark Knight or anything, but I still thought it was a fun movie.

[Captain of Fun]

A shame there probably won't be a sequel. Would have loved to see Sinestro Corps War on screen.

Oh, and I loved the bit with the domino mask. Always thought they were one of the stupidest things commonly utilized in comics, and this film seems to agree with me on that.

[Lock Jaw]

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[Captain of Fun]

War of the Green Lanterns was good. Wish they would have gone deeper into the first green lantern mystery, though they are probably saving that for a later story.

Really interested where they take Sinestro from here.

[Lock Jaw]

Just watched the animated Batman: Year One.

Probably the most faithful, panel for panel, word for word adaptation that they have done.

[Damian Rey]

Year One was great. A little short, but great nonetheless. The voice casting, per usual, was awesome. Particularly loved Bryan Cranston's Gordon.

[Kalyx triaD]

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[Lock Jaw]

I really think that this DC Comics New 52 has all but killed my interest in comic books. Which is no easy feat.

I can't stand to look at or read my favorite superhero anymore (Superman).

There are only a handful of books worth reading, and they are the ones who didn't really retcon much. But then they just serve to make me sad because they remind me of how good the DC Universe was just before they decided to reset everything.

[Captain of Fun]

Read Marvel.

[Lock Jaw]

It just isn't the same...

But I have been reading more Marvel lately. Trying to catch up from where I left off... which is still a few years behind. Perhaps I should just skip to the present.

[Kalyx triaD]

Pretty much done with comics in general. I keep up with what's what, but I can't be arsed to keep up with Marvel's history and DC's utterly unnecessary reboot/relaunch/whatever. I'm more invested in other media.

[Lock Jaw]

Just read Batman Incorporated: Leviathan Strikes that just came out.

Seriously depressed me. Basically just finishing up a story from the old universe. So the old Batman status quo is present.

[Captain of Fun]

Read X-Force and Uncanny X-Force. Anything by Ed Brubaker is gold. Daredevil, Captain America, and The Immortal Iron Fist are all particularly awesome. Anything with the word "Avengers" in it, has been really good since Heroic Age started. First couple issues of Future Foundation really impressed me.

[DaveBrawl]

I really don't care much for the art in this Hawkman series. The story isn't bad, although all of the reviews I've seen say otherwise, but the art on anything other than Conner/Hawkman leaves a lot to be desired. In this last issue there were certain panels where I really couldn't make out what Morphicius (who is supposed to be the main villain at this point) is even supposed to look like.

I mean I'll still be reading it for a while, but I can see it being one of the first books they cancel from the new series.

[Lock Jaw]

I think I made some picks before the books came out about which would get canceled. Forget what was on it though. Lemme see if I can find it.

[Lock Jaw]

So, next month DC Comics launches 52 new #1s! So make your picks now in the... DC Cancellation Pool! PM me ten picks of which books you think will be canceled first! Winner gets nothing!

I will make my picks publicly now so there is no accusations of me changing my own picks:

1) Hawk and Dove
2) O.M.A.C.
3) Blackhawks
4) I, Vampire
5) Voodoo
6) Batwing
7) Suicide Squad
8) Legion Lost
9) Men of War
10) Red Hood and the Outlaws


I am the only one playing this game though. I hope I win.

I'd probably take I, Vampire off of the list though if I did it now. I mean, I don't like it at all... but for some reason it has been getting "acclaim" as one of the better relaunch titles. No idea how.

[DaveBrawl]

I've never read it to be honest. I finally found a comic store relatively close to me and when I went in there a couple of months ago they didn't seem to carry many of the new series at all. This was week 3? of the launch I believe, and he said everything had been sold so I never ended up getting into any of the smaller name series other than Hawkman which was still on the shelves. I've just been ordering them from midtowncomics.com and getting Superman, Batman, Detective, GL and Hawkman.

I started out with Grifter and Batwoman too, but they didn't really keep my interest though I can see why people love Batwoman so much. Grifter is another one I can see being cut out soon, the book looks good, but up through issue 2 he kind of struck me as a print version of a Jason Statham movie.

[Indifferent Clox]

Batman and robin

[Kalyx triaD]

Number 1?

[Indifferent Clox]

What does the tpb that contains 1 look like?

[Kalyx triaD]

I don't know if they're collected yet, the reboot is still kinda new. You'd have to ask your local comic store. I'm sure the pic of the cover is online.

[Lock Jaw]

Or do you mean the Batman and Robin that had Dick Grayson as Batman? #1 of that volume can be found in the book that looks like this:

http://www.dccomics.com/media/product/1/7/17002_400x600.jpg

[Captain of Fun]

I have that book. It is fantastic.

Fuck the new 52.

[Lock Jaw]

Fuck the new 52.

Pretty much.

[Nowhere Man]

There are a few books in the New 52 that I really really like (Animal Man, Action Comics, Aquaman, Swamp Thing, Wonder Woman), but overall it's a confused half-baked mess that still seems unnecessary. I mean, I'm glad it got people reading DC again, but so much of it is extremely off-putting.

[LuigiD]

Most 52 stuff has been kinda hit or miss.
Action Comics is the shit tho.

[Lock Jaw]

If you mean that in a negative way, then yeah. It has been shit.

[DaveBrawl]

I didn't really care for the first couple issues of Action personally.

[Reavant]

I dunno... the porno issue of the first couple catwomans of the new 52 were a nice change of pace

[Lock Jaw]

The only books of the New 52 worth reading are:

All-Star Western
Animal Man
Aquaman
Batman (The only bat-book that doesn't just depress me, missing the old status quo)
Green Lantern Books Minus Red Lanterns (Which were not rebooted at all)
Swamp Thing


I am on the fence with Demon Knights and Resurrection Man.

[Kalyx triaD]

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[Lock Jaw]

NEEDS MORE UNDERPANTS OUTSIDE OF HIS PANTS

[DaveBrawl]

Wasn't one of the points of this reboot to eliminate multiverses again?

If so why is DC already starting a JSA book based on Earth-2?

[Lock Jaw]

Because that was not one of the points of the reboot.

[DaveBrawl]

Well then it makes sense.

[LuigiD]

If you mean that in a negative way, then yeah. It has been shit.

wait wait wait..my mistake.
I meant Detective Comics.
Action Comics has been..eh. I wouldn't say shit but just eh..for me.

[Lock Jaw]

Detective Comics has been "eh" for me. Not bad, but perfectly average. Batman is better.

[blake639raw]

Here's my pull list:

Green Lantern
Green Lantern Corps
Green Lantern: New Guardians
Red Lanterns
Batman
Detective Comics
Action Comics
Aquaman
Justice League
Animal Man
Swamp Thing


I pretty much enjoy all of them, although John's Green Lantern and Animal Man are my fav's. I was very dissapointed in the new JLI series, being a big fan of the old group.

[Lock Jaw]

Cancellations, ahoy!

So, next month DC Comics launches 52 new #1s! So make your picks now in the... DC Cancellation Pool! PM me ten picks of which books you think will be canceled first! Winner gets nothing!

I will make my picks publicly now so there is no accusations of me changing my own picks:

<s>1) Hawk and Dove</s>
<s>2) O.M.A.C.</s>
<s>3) Blackhawks</s>
4) I, Vampire
5) Voodoo
6) Batwing
7) Suicide Squad
8) Legion Lost
<s>9) Men of War</s>
10) Red Hood and the Outlaws

Static Shock and Mister Terrific have also been canceled.

BUT

Six new books are going to be replacing them.


Batman Incorporated by Grant Morrison

Earth 2 by James Robinson (Really pulling for this one and hope it isn't a pile of crap)

World's Finest by Paul Levitz (BUT not Batman and Superman. Apparently it is going to be Power Girl and Huntress from Earth 2, but on Earth 1)

The Ravagers by Howard Mackie (I assume this is an expansion of the porn line)

G.I. Combat by J.T. Krul (Featuring more "vintage DC" war stories like The War That Time Forgot, The Haunted Tank, and The Unknown Soldier)

Dial H by China Miéville

[Nowhere Man]

I actually kinda liked Static Shock, so I'm rather disappointed to see it go.

Also, hooray for Power Girl getting her own comic again and not just being reduced to Mr. Terrific's girlfriend.

On the other hand......do we really need another goddamn Batman comic? We've already got about 1 in 3 of the New 52 as Gotham titles.

[Kalyx triaD]

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[parkmania]

The CW will order a pilot for a one hour live action Green Arrow series, according to Deadline. The series is written and executive produced by Greg Berlanti & Marc Guggenheim (Green Lantern), with Andrew Kreisberg (Fringe). The pilot will likely be directed by David Nutter, who directed the Smallville pilot (which was picked up by the CW for a long run) and episodes of Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles, Game of Thrones, and non-genre series like Shameless and Entourage.

Green Arrow was actually a long-running character on Smallville, portrayed by Justin Hartley (who’s not attached to this new project).

The plan is to put the character in a new world not based on the DC comics.

CW has been searching for a replacement for its long-running Smallville series, which recently ended (see “Complete ‘Smallville’ DVDs’).

[Kalyx triaD]

"Hey let's have Green Arrow, a DC superhero, but without him in a DC world."

[Lock Jaw]

Until a few seasons pass, then we can just turn the show into random guest stars from the DC Universe showing up.

[DaveBrawl]

Well if they're going with this idea then Halle Berry's Catwoman should make an appearance.

[DaveBrawl]

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I loved that show, I miss it.

[Kalyx triaD]

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[Rammsteinmad]

A Green Arrow show? Hmmph... that's sure to put butts in seats.

[blake639raw]

Has anybody heard the latest on when the Green Lantern Animated Series starts up again?

[Kalyx triaD]

Starts up again?

[blake639raw]

Well, they released 2 episodes already late last year.

[Kalyx triaD]

Oh ████.

[Reavant]

why are all the swear words blocked out?

[Reavant]

nevermind i figured it out

[Lock Jaw]

Don't know why you would have asked the question in a DC Comics thread of all places.

Anyways, to keep in line with their ████py new direction, DC has unveiled a ████py new logo:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/articles/1326995487.jpg

They've also got "custom" ones for specific books:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/articles/1326990406.jpg
(Note the Watchmen one, which fuels more into the rumors of a prequel that have been going around)

[Captain of Fun]

Holy shit that logo is awful.

Valiant had a better logo than that.

[Captain of Fun]

Holy shit, I can say shit again!

[Nowhere Man]

That is just.....awful. Seriously. That's just embarrassing. Not to mention unnecessary. I mean, Marvel seems to have gotten by pretty well with their logo just being the word "MARVEL" in big blocky letters. And it's not like there's anything wrong with the current DC logo. Or the one before that, really.

Also, if there is any truth to the rumors of a Watchmen prequel, I will personally murder Dan DiDio.

[Captain of Fun]

It looks like some random low budget office logo.

[Destor]

Eww...

[Destor]

So at what point does DC go out of buisness and start selling off their trademarks?

[Kalyx triaD]

Never. WB does good by them.

[Lock Jaw]

Better question is when they give up on "The New 52" and go back to the old universe and tout a "Return to the Classic!"

[Destor]

about 4 weeks before the file bankrupt?

[Destor]

so 2 months-ish?

[Nowhere Man]

As much as it annoys me, DC's sales have actually been up significantly since the reboot. So I doubt they're going to be throwing in the towel any time soon.

[Destor]

those are morbid curiosity sales tho, they cant last

[Kalyx triaD]

I wouldn't mind them going back to the classic universe, and keeping DCnU as a new parallel Earth.

[Nowhere Man]

I honest-to-God would have gladly accepted the DCnU if they had packaged it as a parallel universe like Ultimate Marvel. It's the fact that this new continuity also went out of its way to take everything we'd already known and say "nope, didn't happen" that annoys the hell out of me.

[Kalyx triaD]

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[Lock Jaw]

Please tell me that is not the actual actor.

[Kalyx triaD]

It's him. He looks goofy here but I think he can pull it off.

[Lock Jaw]

Hate his face and hair.

[Lock Jaw]

I would not trust that man alone with my child.

[Kalyx triaD]

But he's Superman.

[Lock Jaw]

Exactly, so he should look like I should be able to trust him.

[Captain of Fun]

He looks like a traveling salesman. Horrid.

[Destor]

why have the past two supermen been really scrawny?

[parkmania]

Because Vince McMahon made steroids a dirty word.