DC Universe Thread

[Lock Jaw]

I'm sorry, but that is just a terrible idea. NOT doing stuff like that is why I preferred DC.

[Lock Jaw]

Seriously "upset" right now. Like nothing I have ever read matters anymore. I can only hope and pray that this is going to be a temporary thing like how Marvel did after Onslaught and that things will return to "normal" soon.

Terrible, just terrible.

[Lock Jaw]

http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/articles/1306875474.jpg

Terrible.

DON'T MESS WITH SUPERMAN'S COSTUME.

[Kalyx triaD]

I like Clark's duds, happy to see the underwear gone. Not fond of replacing Diana's gold with silver. Aqua Man and Hal look like always. I HOPE they don't screw with Batman's INC suit. All this talk about new era this and that only for them to change the costume anyway. In fact this voids a lot of recent stuff...

Interesting in a Geoff/Lee JL run, though.

[dronepool]

Like I said-

If it's written by Grant Morrison, I'll give it a shot.... everything else... unless something changes in my head, I don't really care... I'll just get what catches my eye either in singles or trade (I could wait as long as my life a bit more active and I continue my streak in trying not to be so recluse) and I will be a lot more strict if I decide to subscribe to a book because I need get less comics and not more.

I think it'll make people even more selective because they know in a few years that book won't mean shit..... which is why i stopped bagging 98% of my comics about a year ago. i'd get shit by grant Morrison, but i can honestly just wait for the trades cause i like hardcovers/sofcovers better than single issues and as long as i'm not mad bored during that time, i can wait... i'll see.

[Lock Jaw]

Grant Morrison is apparently to write one of the new Superman series.

[Nowhere Man]

This is almost guaranteed to go over like a fart in church. It just reeks of gimmicky bullshit.

Also, I hate how so many redesigns of Superman's costume have a high collar like that. How's that supposed to hide under Clark's regular clothes? I mean, he's already got enough logistical problems with the cape and the boots, he doesn't need that extra bit popping up over the top of his work clothes.

Actually, looking at that picture, is everyone going to have to have that V-neck high collar? I mean, you gave Wonder Woman a necklace, just so she can have that V-neck collar look going on. Fucking stop it!

[Kalyx triaD]

Positive as usual, Nowhere.

[Lock Jaw]

Well, it is tough to be positive in a very very negative situation.

[Nowhere Man]

Oh, and while I'm on the subject of bitching about the costume re-designs, didn't they just change Wonder Woman's costume back to the original look because everyone hated Lee's redesign? And now for the reboot he's changing it right back, out of spite I can only assume.

[McLegend]

You don't fuck with Superman's costume.

[Lock Jaw]

If they're going to reboot it, they should at least be doing it after an epic Crisis on Infinite Earths-like story.

Not an alternate reality story that is inevitable a story about The Flash.

[Fignuts]

I'm sorry, but that is just a terrible idea. NOT doing stuff like that is why I preferred DC.

What DC has way more retconing and continuity issues than Marvel.

[Lock Jaw]

Nah.

[Fignuts]

Hawkman

is what I have to say about that.

[Boondock Saint]

lol Johns/Lee book...we'll get an issue every 6 months

[The Destroyer]

I think it'll be quite interesting to see what they do and don't keep post-reboot, but this still seems like a pretty awful idea.

If they want to jettison continuity baggage, they should have just stuck with something like the All Star range instead of just doing it right across the board.

[Lock Jaw]

What I want to know is how much are they resetting things?

I mean, there's a whooooole whack load of characters who pretty much depend on the current history being intact.

[Kalyx triaD]

If there's anything I learned about comic book mythologies, especially DC comics, is to never get used to anything. It was only a matter of time before they went this route. It just seems abrupt and desperate and disrespectful to recent projects aimed to shake things up.

Marvel sticks to their guns. Most retcons are under the hood and barely noticeable. Other things, like Bucky Cap, dead Uncle Ben, dead-ish Jean Grey, Wolverine's origin, faction changes, status changes, power changes; Marvel has a much better track record than DC sticking to their guns.

[Lock Jaw]

Larger image of the new J(im)ustice L(e)eague:

http://i.newsarama.com/images/JL_Cv1.jpg

Flash can't get the V-neck high collar, so he gets a chin patch.

Also, ROFL at Hal Jordan's WANG CANNON. Real subtle.

[Lock Jaw]

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/13/19690001_03fc358c79_m.jpg

[Kalyx triaD]

That better be Dick. I know the truth but... that better be Dick Grayson.

[parkmania]

I have a feeling that this retcon will only go for about a year or so - DC will realize soon enough that 'Tec will be reaching issue #900 about then and they'll go back to original numbering starting there - including retconning the retcon.

[BigDaddyCool]

See, this is why I like limited series like Y or Pilgrim or one offs.

[DaveBrawl]

I hope this brings Jean Paul Valley back from the grave, I'm sure it won't and this retcon probably won't last, but I hope it at least brings him back.

[Lock Jaw]

A bunch more covers and titles revealed:

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/dc-revamped-justice-league-titles-110602.html

No idea who the chick in black and yellow trim on the JLI cover is supposed to be. Gypsy? Donna Troy?

Hawkman's new costume looks pretty terrible.

Mr. Terrific's new costume actually might be cool.

[Kalyx triaD]

Hawk Man doesn't look too different.

It seems Wonder Woman's streetwise stint was a prototype for this costume. I'm alright with it, but I rather have more gold.

There's a Batman in JLI. Is that Dick, because there's a Batman in JL... Maybe things didn't change that much?

[Fignuts]

Probably bruce, since thats who was on the original team.

[Kalyx triaD]

Seems strange that they'd have Bruce headline two teams, and he wouldn't even be front and center in a team full of B-listers.

[Fignuts]

Thought dick was on justice league.

[Lock Jaw]

He is now. But with everything being rebooted, who knows what the hell is going to happen.

Pretty much all of the Bat-Family characters rely on previous history for them existing as they do today.

[Kalyx triaD]

FUCK

Damien is almost certainly gone. I love that kid. Fuck.

And watch them return Babs to the Batgirl role. Stephanie is screwed.

All those years of investment. Fuck.

[Fignuts]

So I just spent the last 6 years finally getting into DC and learning it's ridiculous history, only for them to do this. I don't understand why this is necessary.

[Kalyx triaD]

I didn't read DC comics weekly, but I kept up for ages. Who lives, who dies, what the year's big event is.

Now I probably won't give a shit unless they do this wisely and reboot things softly. This may not be the case because you can't have Dick-Batman if you're de-aging Bruce. You can't have Supergirl or Connor if you're essentially importing Earth One 'Twilight' Clark. You can't have Cassie if Diana's reverted to her early twenties.

This reboot potentially shits on DC's entire 'youth' generation which, ironically, should have been the ones to lead DC's push for new readers in the first place.

[Fignuts]

Yeah, Titans was awesome, before it went all villainous.

[dronepool]

I'm actually into Flashpoint more than Fear Itself. I'm happy because now I can just get like 2 or 3 books from DC and be good and not really care about whats going on, if I'm curious I'll go online.

Gonna cut down on Marvel as well.. gonna try to limit myself to 10-12 books a month,... I'll see in a few months for sure.



I just hope this doesn't get in the way of Morison's Batman stories... unless he gets involved and co-writes or some shit.

[Lock Jaw]

Green Lantern titles revealed: http://www.newsarama.com/comics/dcnu-new-green-lantern-110603.html

Looks like all four Earth Green Lanterns are still around, along with all the other colors of the rainbow. Red Lanterns still getting their own series too. Pretty much the same writers handling the various series as well.

Really confused about this now, though. How much of the GL history is intact? Hal being Paralax? Sinestro Corps War? Blackest Night? War of the Green Lanterns? WHAAAT IS GOING ON?!

[Lock Jaw]

"It's building off the Green Lantern stories I've done since 'Rebirth,'"

"'Green Lantern' 1 picks up a few months later in a very different space than we are now," Johns said. "When you see the cover you'll know exactly what I'm talking about."

Is this a reboot, or is this not a reboot? SO very confused.

[Innovator]

I don't even read comics that much and this pisses me off.

[Boondock Saint]

This is what DC said yesterday in terms of "reboot": "And by the way, let me just reiterate this point: this is the launch of the New DCU. It is not a “reboot.” I think you will soon discover why that is."

Splendid

[Lock Jaw]

Yeah, but it does seem like a reboot for some characters at least.

I guess it is just wait and see with this thing now.

[XL]

Could it be similar to what Marvel did with the Ultimate series?

I dunno.

I don't read comics.

I'm confused.

Just ignore me.

[blake639raw]

http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/files/2011/06/ntw_cv1.jpg

Cover to Nightwing #1. So apparently, Dick is back to being Nightwing. Unless, of course, this is Jason Todd.

[Lock Jaw]

Damn. That sucks big time.

[Kalyx triaD]

I'm so confused DAMMIT.

[Nowhere Man]

Ew. And I was really loving Dick's run as Batman, too.

[Fignuts]

That could be tim, ya know.

[Nowhere Man]

....I would actually be cool with that. I always thought 'Red Robin' was kind of a dumb name anyway. It'd make a lot of sense, if Dick got bumped up to Batman and Damian is Robin, then Tim could be Nightwing.

[The Destroyer]

Also apparently going to be a Batgirl #1 with Barbara Gordon back in the role. Hmm.

[Kalyx triaD]

"Stephanie who?"

[Fignuts]

Oh man, if they've retconned out The Killing Joke, shit is gonna hit the fan.

[Lock Jaw]

They've been revealing Batman book all day: http://www.newsarama.com/comics/dcnu-detective-batman-titles-110606.html

No idea what the hell is going on with this "reboot". Good news is Damian is still around. Who knows how that works with the altered history.

Barbara Gordon is back as Batgirl, no sign of Stephanie Brown (which is a shame because I loved her as Batgirl). No sign of Tim Drake yet.

Dick back as Nightwing, but apparently his stint as Batman is still "in continuity".

Birds of Prey with no sign of the regular cast except for a badly redesigned Black Canary.

Some Red Hood and The Outlaws series that has Red Hood, a two-armed Aresnal/Red Arrow, and Starfire on the cover. Who knows if Red Hood is Jason, or Tim, or someone new...

Some new series called "Batwing" that seems to have a black Batman dude for sake of diversity.

I really don't know what is happening.

[The Destroyer]

I really don't get what DC are trying to achieve with this now. If you're rebooting something, do you really want to have 4 Batman books on the go right from the start?

And can the continuity reboot really be that extreme if Morrison is still going to be able to finish his overall arc on Batman? This makes less sense with every new detail that emerges.

[Kalyx triaD]

THANK GOD Damien is still Robin, and he'll work with Bruce for the first time as a father/son Dynamic Duo. This is the best news I heard about this reboot/revamp/whatever. Sorry for Stephanie, though, maybe she'll be the spoiler again?

[Fignuts]

Everything was getting so good. I've even been enjoying superman since that last brainiac story. FUCKING SUPERMAN

WHHHHHHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

[Nowhere Man]

Ten bucks says Batwing doesn't last more than a year.

[Kalyx triaD]

At least Batwoman stays. And I like Red Hood.

[Lock Jaw]

Today they are revealing various "supernatural"-type comics: http://www.newsarama.com/comics/dcnu-supernatural-titles-110607.html

No idea why they put Animal Man in with this bunch, though.


I bet more than half of these books get canceled.

[Lock Jaw]

More reveals: http://www.newsarama.com/comics/dcnu-teenage-heroes-superteams-110608.html

Looks like they have completely screwed over/changed Red Robin, Wonder Girl, Superboy, and Kid Flash. No solo series for Tim Drake either, apparently.

[Lock Jaw]

More reveals: http://www.newsarama.com/comics/dcnu-teenage-heroes-superteams-110608.html

Looks like they have completely screwed over/changed Red Robin, Wonder Girl, Superboy, and Kid Flash. No solo series for Tim Drake either, apparently.

[Fignuts]

what

WHAT

[Lock Jaw]

Red Robin looks like the second Black Condor now.

This guy: http://tenzel.net/dcuguide/images/b/blackcondor2.gif

[Lock Jaw]

Cosmic Boy's new look in Legion Lost is pretty brutal too.

And of course, Rob Liefield doing art on anything is pretty brutal.

[Kalyx triaD]

Actually Tim looks badass. Cassie, Connor, and Bart looks like assholes. Did they let Image Comics redesign them?

Static looks cool.

[Fignuts]

Cassie looks ok.

Never liked the whole "wings attached to arms" costume thing that some characters have had. Looks silly and impractical.

[Fignuts]

Cassie looks ok.

Never liked the whole "wings attached to arms" costume thing that some characters have had. Looks silly and impractical.

[Boondock Saint]

Liefeld? Really? Really?

[Kalyx triaD]

Maybe we'll get a katana wielding, gunning, version of Booster Gold.

[Fignuts]

With pouches. Don't forget the pouches.

[Nowhere Man]

Honest to God, how on Earth is Rob Liefeld still getting work?

[Sixx]

Rob Liefeld hates feet.

[Lock Jaw]

Few more titles: http://www.newsarama.com/comics/dcnu-men-at-war-110609.html

Bunch of WildStorm guys coming over to DC looks like. Martian Manhunter shoehorned in with them instead of the Justice League.


I think with this latest batch... only 6 more books until we reach the "52". Really concerned for the Justice Society here.

[Lock Jaw]

And we haven't had the Superman books revealed yet. Probably take up at least 4 of the remaining 6.

[Kalyx triaD]

Grifter? Hmm...

Black Hawks needed a reboot, I guess. Wouldn't have thought 'GI Joe'.

Why does Slade have Batman elements in his design?

[Lock Jaw]

Cause it is the 90s all over again! Fins and jagged edges for everyone!

[Lock Jaw]

I wonder what this new Blackhawk series means for Lady Blackhawk. She was kinda Awesome in Birds of Prey.

[Lock Jaw]

Two new series were revealed. Blue Beetle and Suicide Squad.

Suicide Squad features more HORRIBLE redesigns:

http://i.newsarama.com/images/SuicideSquad_cover_02.jpg

King Shark, Harley Quinn, and Deadshot respectively.

[McLegend]

OMG

Who ever thought that was a good idea should probably be fired.

[Nowhere Man]

Jesus Christ.

This has the stink of Marvel's "Heroes Reborn" all over it.

[BigDaddyCool]

Two new series were revealed. Blue Beetle and Suicide Squad.

Suicide Squad features more HORRIBLE redesigns:

http://i.newsarama.com/images/SuicideSquad_cover_02.jpg

King Shark, Harley Quinn, and Deadshot respectively.

Tell that slut to put on some clothes.

[parkmania]

Thought I read that DC was trying to make their women have more "realistic" costumes in order to A) appease/attract more female readers, and B) make the characters more mainstream marketable (see: Wonder Woman).

Someone should have told Harleen...

[Nowhere Man]

Seriously. You put pants on Wonder Woman because the classic one-piece isn't acceptable anymore, but then take Harley who's completely covered up in a full bodysuit, and then put her in a half-open corset and a pair of booty shorts?

[Lock Jaw]

Last four books revealed. As expected, they are Action Comics, Superman, Supergirl, and Superboy: http://www.newsarama.com/comics/dcnu-superman-family-revealed-11010.html

Along with the horrible redesigns.

http://i.newsarama.com/images/superman-cover-1.jpg

Also, no Justice Society in this new DC Universe is really really crappy.

[Kalyx triaD]

Supergirl got the shaft. And if Super-Cyborg-Boy is Superboy who the hell is the kid rocking the House of El crest in the Teen Titans?

What the fuck is going on here?

[Nowhere Man]

I'm hoping that's just a bad job of inking, because it makes Superman's suit look like it's some high-tech/armored suit deal, and when he's already invincible, that's just.....kind of pointless. Also, that cover makes it look like he's wrecking up the place--so I guess Lex Luthor was right all along?

And we're back to making the Kryptonians a bunch of egotistical dick-wads who don't like humanity again, judging from the synopsis they've given of Supergirl. Between this and the New Krypton story from the soon-to-be-defunct continuity, I find myself feeling rather glad that their planet blew up.

Oh, and Superboy's apparently doing a Wolverine "superhuman weapon" thing now. Weapon-S, if you will.

Blegh.

[Kalyx triaD]

Why are they doing this again?

[Kalyx triaD]

I miss cheerleader Supergirl. :(

Superman's belt should be yellow ffs. The art's just bad but otherwise I don't mind the suit. Losing the trunks was something I looked forward to.

[Nowhere Man]

I actually like the trunks. Yes, they're outdated and everyone makes the joke about how he's wearing his underwear on the outside, but it at least breaks up all of the blue. Without them, the costume just looks really monotone, just lots of blue with red on the bottom and in the back (with the boots and cape I mean). The belt breaks it up a bit, but not very much.

[Nowhere Man]

Why are they doing this again?

To try and get attention from the mainstream media. Just like when they gave Wonder Woman her stupid 'mean streets' look, or when they turned Superman blue and gave him those retarded electrical powers. It's just a cheap and desperate attempt to get a spike in sales by appealing to the curiosity of non-fans, the people who don't even like their comics in the first fucking place.

[Kalyx triaD]

He's the Big Blue Boyscout, making that an ever more dominating color doesn't hurt in my eyes. He has to have the primary colors, make that belt yellow.

I was hoping DC would strap trunks universe wide over time, and I was happy when Bruce came back with none (only to give it right back to him).

[Lock Jaw]

Hmmm... just noticed something in the description: "This momentous first issue will set in motion the history of the DC Universe as Superman defends a world that doesn’t trust their first Super Hero."

Sooo... not only does the Justice Society not get a book in this new universe, they never existed?

[Lock Jaw]

Unless... Action Comics is set in the past. The cover he is in a different "costume".

Then it calls Superman #1 "The Man of Tomorrow, Today".

Dunno how that would work.

[Kalyx triaD]

I guess they wouldn't jive with DC's cross-media plans. The Superman book sounds like the story for the upcoming movie.

[Fignuts]

Still waiting for the punchline.

[Lock Jaw]

I think maybe six months into this they go "Surprise! This was all on another Earth(s)! Leading to our big crossover Multiverse event by Grant Morrison that will end up making very little sense!"

[Nowhere Man]

I think maybe six months into this they go "Surprise! This was all on another Earth(s)! Leading to our big crossover Multiverse event by Grant Morrison that will end up making very little sense!"

Honestly, that would not surprise me in the least. I can almost guaran-damn-tee you this shit will only last a year or so, until the novelty and shock value wear off and half of the new lineup tanks. Then DC will do another event with the 'triumphant return' of the classic DC Universe and set things back to where they were before the reboot.

[dronepool]

I guess I'll be good with Justice League and Action Comics. So far that's two DC books I should be getting.. but again I'm trying to avoid single comics... but I guess 2 books from DC should be fine.

I really need to rework my pull list and condense things to less comics and only get what excites me the most, not just get books cause I'm bored and heard the book is good...cause since ever since April... I been reading less and less and comics lay around while I go to work and then hang out somewhere.

[Fignuts]

Yeah, is this like a new coke thing or what?

[Lock Jaw]

On the subject of DC Movie News:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/articles/1308069331.jpg

Clark and Lois.

[Miotch]

Is that Amy Adams?

[Lock Jaw]

Yeah. Not sure how I feel about that.

[Kalyx triaD]

I'm gonna be 'that guy' and say Clark looks to handsome.

Otherwise a great pic, nice to see things moving on.

[Lock Jaw]

Nah, I was thinking that too Kalyx. Don't know the context of the picture though. Not gonna judge anything yet.

[LuigiD]

Apparently some of the first reviews for GL have hit. They range from awful to mediocre.

[Kalyx triaD]

We may have guessed as much.

[Lara Emily]

I'm shocked lol!

Trailers were fucking awful

[Boondock Saint]

The other "Man of Steel" news lately has been a photo making the rounds this week of Henry Cavill and Amy Adams seemingly in character. As soon as it appeared though it was quickly shot down, the shot revealed to be a screen capture from the recently finished long-running "Smallville" with Cavill and Adams' heads superimposed over Tom Welling and Erica Durance's.

[Boondock Saint]

Also supposedly Russell Crowe in talks for Jor-El

[Kalyx triaD]

The other "Man of Steel" news lately has been a photo making the rounds this week of Henry Cavill and Amy Adams seemingly in character. As soon as it appeared though it was quickly shot down, the shot revealed to be a screen capture from the recently finished long-running "Smallville" with Cavill and Adams' heads superimposed over Tom Welling and Erica Durance's.

That makes sense, production shouldn't have started yet.

Also supposedly Russell Crowe in talks for Jor-El

I think he has the part.

[D Mac]

Apparently some of the first reviews for GL have hit. They range from awful to mediocre.

24% on Rotten Tomatoes so far. Ugh.

Still going to see it tho.

[XL]

Apparently some of the first reviews for GL have hit. They range from awful to mediocre.

24% on Rotten Tomatoes so far. Ugh.

Still going to see it tho.

http://images.moviepostershop.com/green-lantern-movie-poster-2011-1020696435.jpg

fucking awesome. I could care less about the distracting CGI 3-D stuff. Had funny dialogue too.. Wayy up there with the humor of Iron Man. Stay during the end credits castlist cos there's an extra ending with Sinestro...

Hal Jordan by Ryan Reynolds is almost as cocky and a prick like Tony Stark.. His humor too. :P I loved the part where he tried reciting the Lantern Corps oath when he tried on the Green ring by quoting, "TO INFINITY AND BEYOND ALA TOY STORY TO HE-MAN, "BY THE POWER OF GRAY--- WHAT THE HELL AM I SUPPOSE TO SAY?!?!" LOLZ moment.

And stay for the start of the end credits roll, another scene for a sequel involving, Sinestro and the yellow ring forged by the guardians to defeat Parallax the main villain.

10/10.
Full marks from that guy pretty much means it's shit.

[Vastardikai]

Went to a midnight screening.

It was a CGI-fest, but it almost had to be because of the nature of the film.

Reynolds was solid as Jordan. I do buy him as more of a Flash, but that's just me.

I actually enjoyed it, but that's because I'm a Green Lantern nerd. And, the theater was packed.

[Lock Jaw]

100 Bullets gonna possibly be a TV Show:

Deadline reports that David S. Goyer is attached to write and executive produce an adaptation of the Vertigo crime series for Showtime. Warner Bros. Television is producing.


I know a lot of people loved 100 Bullets. Did not care for it myself, and will probably pass on the TV Series unless I start hearing great things about it.

[Miotch]

What's the source on that? I just want to pass it along to a friend.

[Lock Jaw]

http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/2011/06/20/david-s-goyer-to-adapt-vertigos-100-bullets-for-showtime/

[Kalyx triaD]

http://twitter.com/#!/God_Damn_Batman

[Blitz]

Chris Meloni is in talks for an undisclosed role in Man of Steel. I see him as Perry White.

[LuigiD]

Must be awful being a DC fan right now. Green Lantern tanked beyond fucking belief and the whole universe is getting a reboot.

[Kalyx triaD]

Dark Knight Rises next year. DC Animated DVDs hasn't fucked up yet. DC still got TV on lock. It's all good for the most part.

[Lock Jaw]

http://i.newsarama.com/images/new-jla_02.jpg

Bleh.

[Kalyx triaD]

Alright I'm digging Superman. Batman looks like the Arkham Asylum version so that's alright. Diana needs her gold and stars but whatever her wardrobe is a shuffle these days. Who does Arthur sleep with to stay on the team?

Is there an HD version of the pic? I need it for my collection.

[Lock Jaw]

Digging Superman's new look = YOUR OPINIONS ARE MOOT :foc:


/Overblown Internet Reaction

[Kalyx triaD]

Superman's belt needs to be yellow (or I guess gold now).

[Kalyx triaD]

Kevin Conroy, otherwise known as the one true god damn Batman, tweeted that he's not retiring his voice work as Batman.

[BigDaddyCool]

http://i.newsarama.com/images/new-jla_02.jpg

Bleh.

What is with Superman's "armoured" costume?

[BigDaddyCool]

Alright I'm digging Superman. Batman looks like the Arkham Asylum version so that's alright. Diana needs her gold and stars but whatever her wardrobe is a shuffle these days. Who does Arthur sleep with to stay on the team?

Is there an HD version of the pic? I need it for my collection.

Why the hell are you calling her Diana? It is fucking Wonder Woman. Not only that you call the dudes by their super hero names, but her by her "real name?" Why don't you say Clark (or Kal-El)) and Bruce?[/flipping out]

[Kalyx triaD]

Wonder Woman seems more like a hassle to write; two cap'd letters, a space. Batman and Superman kinda rolls off the fingers. In regard to titles, I will formally spell out Wonder Woman.

I'm sorry it bothers you. If it makes you feel any better, fuck off.

[Fignuts]

What is with Superman's "armoured" costume?

lol seriously

Superman should never be in anything resembling armor.

That's like putting a tank inside a tank.

[Fignuts]

Wonder Woman doesn't look bad, it just doesn't fit her, really. Nothing fits her outside of the classic, imo. That costume would be great for donna troy or wonder girl though.

Aquaman and flash look alright.

Cyborg looks like a crappy 90's x-force villain.

[Kalyx triaD]

lol seriously

Superman should never be in anything resembling armor.

That's like putting a tank inside a tank.

I don't think it's armor so much as 'Kryptonian tech', though he wouldn't need that either.

[BigDaddyCool]

Wonder Woman seems more like a hassle to write; two cap'd letters, a space. Batman and Superman kinda rolls off the fingers. In regard to titles, I will formally spell out Wonder Woman.

I'm sorry it bothers you. If it makes you feel any better, fuck off.It just struck me as weird.

[BigDaddyCool]

Also Flash's boots...they look armored but he is wear spandex everywhere else. He should be wearing nikes or something.

[Kalyx triaD]

Nikes would probably tear up after a few 1000 miles a minute.

[Nowhere Man]

Just noticed, apart from all of the people who don't have cowls sporting high-collars, now they all have the same kind of V-shaped belts. Which just screams "all of these costumes were designed by the same guy."

I know I'm still going on bitching and moaning about the redesigns, but it seriously annoys me how willing DC is to throw away 70+ years of iconography that's embedded into the popular unconscious, just because Jim Lee thinks these costumes look cooler.

[Kalyx triaD]

You didn't think that way about high boots, capes, and external underwear?

[Nowhere Man]

To be fair, the only guys who had the external underwear and stuck with it were Superman and Batman. And at least then they were all designed by different people, even if all of those different people were just trying to rip off Siegel and Shuster.

[dronepool]

http://i.newsarama.com/images/new-jla_02.jpg

Bleh.

I like it.

[BigDaddyCool]

You didn't think that way about high boots, capes, and external underwear?

They still have the out lines of external underwear.


(Not solely directed at Kaylx) Also...Superman and Batman are the only guys to really have underwear and capes for top named heroes. How come the mass conscientiousness thinks of all heroes as caped crusaders? No top name Marvel heroes come to mind as caped heroes...except maybe Storm, and that is maybe, she is a leader of the X-Men, but not the reason anyone buys the books.

[Kalyx triaD]

Marvel wasn't as big on capes as DC.

Superman
Batman
Robin
Supergirl
Powergirl
Huntress
Captain Marvel
Dr Fate
Martian Manhunter
Diana (on occasion)
Raven
...Maybe more.

And only Batman was known as the Caped Crusader, to my knowledge.

[BigDaddyCool]

Marvel wasn't as big on capes as DC.

Superman
Batman
Robin
Supergirl
Powergirl
Huntress
Captain Marvel
Dr Fate
Martian Manhunter
Diana (on occasion)
Raven
...Maybe more.

And only Batman was known as the Caped Crusader, to my knowledge.

Most of those people are attached to Batman or Superman, and aren't the top billed. But if you are reading Batman and Superman team up books, you are going to get lots of capes and underwears.

Another aside, supergirl, batgirl, and the other girl versions of superheroes should wear thongs on the outside of their costumes.

[Kalyx triaD]

Superboy wore jeans. He didn't play that shit.

[BigDaddyCool]

Never said nothing about him.

[Kalyx triaD]

That's alright.

Did anybody see that Green Lantern TAS trailer?

[Kalyx triaD]

Anne [Hathaway]'s outfit is more tactical, like the comic book, than the previous Batman movies. She will definitely be wearing the goggles and it's going to be less sexy than Halle Berry and Michelle Pfeiffer's Catwoman costumes. She's going to look more like a robber. But fan boys shouldn't be worried. This costume is going to be form-fitting enough to make Anne look smoking hot. Everything from the looks in her eyes, her head movements, her body–everything is so feline. The role is taking her to new places.

[McLegend]

Digging Superman's new look = YOUR OPINIONS ARE MOOT :foc:


/Overblown Internet Reaction

Yeah but they have a point.

Why is Superman wearing a turtle neck?

[Lock Jaw]

To better hide his costume under his work clothes.

[Kalyx triaD]

Gets chilly out in space.

[Kalyx triaD]

Remember when they tried to put the Fortress of Solitude in the jungle?

[Lock Jaw]

Yes. Yes I do.

[Nowhere Man]

I like it.

Well, you're wrong.

[Rammsteinmad]

Haven't kept up much with the DC movie thread, so dunno if this was discussed or whatever, but was looking up Green Lantern on IMDB and Wikipedia and it seems the movie has bombed big time! (So far anyway).

Can't say I'm surprised. The trailer looked pretty crappy, and seriously come on, nobody (outside of comic fans) gives a shit about any DC characters who aren't Batman and Superman.

[Kalyx triaD]

People would give a shit if they didn't clown all through production. I mean, who gave a shit about Iron Man, Thor, or Blade? They're not X-Men or Spider-Man, but they were well made. Green Lantern wasn't well made.

[Rammsteinmad]

True... I was incredibly surprised at how well-received the Iron Man films were...

Anyway, I'm sure DC will make up for this with The Dark Knight Rises (and even though I haven't seen Green Lantern, so I won't judge it until I have, I'll still buy the DVD just to fulfill my comic-collector urge to own all the movies).

[Kalyx triaD]

No, DC will not make up for it with another movie. That's Nolan's show, I won't make him pay penance points for Martin's fuck up. Everything, from the lead casting to the damn suit, were 'wtf' updates. A train wreck in the making with everything we heard and then... the train wrecked.

The Dark Knight Rises will be kick-ass, but that won't change this bomb. They shouldn't get off that lucky.

[Rammsteinmad]

Wow KT... so much hatred... :(

I'm sure Wonder Woman will make up for Green Lantern when it comes out in 2018.

[Kalyx triaD]

I hate seeing bad productions. I feel there's very little reason to suck that bad. You don't have to rewrite history, or break records, but don't do silly things like cast Ryan funny-man Reynolds as a founding member of the Justice League, and have an all CG suit trying to make some technical point.

And I read about the requisite after-movie scene. No comment there, other than next time they wanna bite off Marvel Studios - plan it out.

[Kalyx triaD]

http://cdn.screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/The-Dark-Knight-Rises-Poster.jpg

[Damian Rey]

http://cdn.screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/The-Dark-Knight-Rises-Poster.jpg

:love:

[Nowhere Man]

Maybe I'm reading too much into that, but........possible they're pulling from No Man's Land? Because that would be fucking awesome if they were.

[Kalyx triaD]

Oh fuck that would be crazy.

[Damian Rey]

Maybe I'm reading too much into that, but........possible they're pulling from No Man's Land? Because that would be fucking awesome if they were.

From all the story rumors, character castings and spoiler I read, I think it's doubtful. If they were going to do No Man's Land, they'd have had to have Gotham be destroyed in the first one so they can spend three films building it back up. I think Nolan's going in different direction to help tie up the story and end on a high note.

[Kalyx triaD]

you can adapt the story to fit a movie's time. How many year long comic arcs we already seen get crunched into one movie? One act? One scene? It's not so hard.

[Kalyx triaD]

http://i.newsarama.com/images/JUSTL_Cv2_asjdhfkajhsdkfjasyar.jpg

[Damian Rey]

you can adapt the story to fit a movie's time. How many year long comic arcs we already seen get crunched into one movie? One act? One scene? It's not so hard.

I agree, but No Man's Land is such a giant arc that it'd be a waste of time to tie it into the final film of a trilogy. If they're going to do it, they should either release via DC Animated, or, when the series reboots, start from the beginning.

I just have a hard time seeing Nolan incorporate NML into the already complex story he's trying to finish.

[Kalyx triaD]

It would work as an animated movie nicely.

[Lock Jaw]

He doesn't need to adapt and fit the whole story in the movie. He could just adapt the "There's an Earthquake" part and go on his on way.

[Damian Rey]

Yea, but that's a bit of a cop out. I never read the NML comic, but I did read the novelization, and I enjoyed it immensely. I'd feel pretty cheated if all I got was the earthquake part and that's it.

If they're going to adapt a comic storyline, they should adapt it right. DC Animated has done a pretty solid job thus far, and I'd love for NML to be the next Batman project.

[Lock Jaw]

That's funny. I also read the No Man's Land novelization, but not any of the comics.

[Lock Jaw]

<iframe width="560" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/xdMtMU91u0U" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Can't wait for this one to come out

[Damian Rey]

Neither can I. Year One is one of my favorite graphic novels ever, so knowing I actually get to watch a film based on such is exciting. Liked what I saw in the trailer.

[Lock Jaw]

It is like DC is trying real hard to get me to hate Superman.

New reports on the reboot saying that both Ma and Pa Kent are going to be dead, and Superman is going to be more "alien" and less "Clark Kent"/human. Hence why he takes to wearing the "Kryptonian battle armor". More focus on him being "alienated" and "isolated" rather than "human".

Pretty sure all of that is the opposite of what Superman should be. The point of Superman, a point that we just had some massive storylines about, is that he isn't just an alien. He think and feels like a human. Clark Kent is Superman. Not Superman is Clark Kent.

Then there is Supergirl, who they seem to have reset to just arriving to Earth again, and thus are going to also be doing the whole "alienated"/"isolated"/"not sure if she wants to be a hero" thing. In recent years they finally moved past all of that and actually made Supergirl enjoyable. Now it is back to square one with a bad costume.

Then Superboy, I don't even know what the hell is going on with.

[Nowhere Man]

DC: Fuck the guy who made us popular in the first place, we only give a shit about Batman now.

[Damian Rey]

Sounds like they're trying to add an unnecessary layer of depth with Supes by passing him off as some out of place loner, which, even to me, a non Superman fan, is kind of ridiculous. His charm and selling point is that, even though he is an alien, and even though he's a God amongst men, he's still one of them, and and fights for them because they are his people.

Otherwise, why in God's name would he care to fight for Earth. If he is alienated/isolated, has no parents to lacth onto or protect, and has no real other deep, personal, resonating reason to protect Earth, what's the point?

Maybe I'm missing something...

[Nowhere Man]

The Clark Kent mindset was what I always loved about Superman. Even though he's an invulnerable, nigh-omnipotent alien, he always just saw himself as a country yokel who grew up on a farm. When he's not punching out gods and bench-pressing continents, he'd be watching football with his dad or taking his wife out to dinner. Kind of the opposite of Batman, who absolutely has to believe his own hype in order to be who he is, Superman does unbelievable things but doesn't believe his hype at all. That was what made Superman a great character: that juxtaposition of the absolutely incredible and the everyday and mundane.

This, though? Now he's just fucking Doctor Manhattan.

Also:

http://i.newsarama.com/images/JUSTL_Cv2_asjdhfkajhsdkfjasyar.jpg

So we're just jumping straight into the comic where Superman gets the shit beaten out of him by Batman like every single other crossover in the last thirty years? I mean, I know every writer since Frank Miller has taken turns making Superman look like shit so Batman looks cooler by comparison (basically making him the Cyclops to Bruce's Wolverine), but could you at least bother to build the guy up a little bit before jobbing him out to Batman?

[Lock Jaw]

Green Arrow also trading in his trademark mustache/goatee combo for mutton chops:

http://i.newsarama.com/images/big-GA_Cv2.jpg

[Nowhere Man]

Jesus Christ, is he getting grooming tips from Wolverine now?

[Lock Jaw]

One of my favorite Superman moments:

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q223/Trrrath/SupermanConfidential216.jpg

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q223/Trrrath/SupermanConfidential218.jpg

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q223/Trrrath/SupermanConfidential219.jpg

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q223/Trrrath/SupermanConfidential220.jpg

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q223/Trrrath/SupermanConfidential221.jpg

Wasn't from a particularly stunning story or anything, but the moment was stunning.

Just thought I would share this image before Superman's humanity is obliterated in the reboot. (<--- Judging it before I read it)

[Nowhere Man]

If there was one thing I liked about Byrne's reboot of Superman back in the 80s (I infinitely prefer Mark Waid's take on the origin myself), it would be the fact that he brought Ma and Pa Kent back and kept them as recurring characters. It made him much more identifiable, the idea that even though he's indestructible, he doesn't know everything, and still has to go home every once in a while to get advice from his dad.

So of course we're doing away with that so he can bitch and moan about how he doesn't fit in with humans.

[Lock Jaw]

Yeah, I was a big fan of both of his parents being alive. I'd settle for just one, but I like both being around. The above panels I posted being a great example of why.

[Lock Jaw]

Next up in DC Animated Movies:

Justice League: Doom inspired by the "Tower of Babel" storyline from JLA. Which I know nothing about.

Superman vs. The Elite which has potential to be awesome. Loved Manchester Black.

Annnnnddd....

Batman: The Dark Knight Returns slated to be a TWO-PART film.

[Kalyx triaD]

Fucking epic.

I wonder if Ironside will return to playing DKR Batman like that TAS sequence.

[LuigiD]

damn..fucking crazy.
Tower of Babel was fucking awesome. Whoever hasn't read it should check it out.

[McLegend]

They still have to do the Killing Joke with Mark Hamil and Kevin Conroy.

That's how Mark Hamil should go out.

[Kalyx triaD]

That would be amazing.

[Shadow]

They still have to do the Killing Joke with Mark Hamil and Kevin Conroy.

That's how Mark Hamil should go out.

He's been saying City will be it for him. Bet he'll come back if someone gives him an even better story to tell.

[Kalyx triaD]

This whole DCnU thing is so fucking stupid. I'm reading interview after interview trying to understand what the fuck they're going for. Mixed messages, contradictions in continuity, vague objectives. This is a mess. And yeah, more confusing than what it was before the reboot - a complete fail considering the whole point of this.

Like a lot of the updated costumes, but the whole premise reeks of desperation and stunt. Fuck this.

[Nowhere Man]

I'm still betting it's only going to last a year, tops, before they're shamed into bringing back the 'classic' DCU.

[loopydate]

This whole thing is indicative of my main issue with DC. When Marvel launched the Ultimate line (not exactly the same thing, I know, but a similar idea), they kept it simple. X-Men, Spider-Man, Fantastic Four, Avengers. It was only when they started to get really convoluted and overpopulated that the whole line came crumbling down. DC does a relaunch, and we've got seven Bat-books right out of the gate. DC never does anything simple.

[loopydate]

Not a knock on DC necessarily. They tell good stories. But it's just not at all accessible for a casual comic reader like me.

[Lock Jaw]

What? You telling me new readers aren't going to buy all 52 books?!

[Nowhere Man]

If this was a separate continuity altogether like Ultimate Marvel, I wouldn't have anywhere near as big of a problem with it as I do. That way they could do their 'fresh and modern' approach to the DCU while keeping the original continuity intact. Instead they're chucking out the current mythos and replacing it with a big confused mess of stuff they want to reboot and stuff they want to keep.

[Lock Jaw]

They shoulda just expanded on the Earth-One line.

JMS is still working on a Superman: Earth-One sequel. Read some stuff about it, and apparently a plot in it deals with Superman's sexual frustrations and him not being able to be with a woman because he would DESTROY them with his penis.

[dronepool]

What? You telling me new readers aren't going to buy all 52 books?!

I'm cutting down on all comics and only have interest in like 2 DC books- Justice League and Action Comics (and Batman Inc whenever it's back)

If anything I can read about what happens to the 'universe' online, don't really care to spend time on so many books these days.

[Lock Jaw]

Just watched the episode of Batman: The Brave and the Bold with Superman. Pretty amazing.

Chock full of Silver Age Superdickery.

[Lock Jaw]

Images from that ep:

http://i.imgur.com/X3slE.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/ZropR.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/lw84W.jpg http://i.imgur.com/6vcVb.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/EZcpw.jpg http://i.imgur.com/TLSUD.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/FfQTn.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Qjj0k.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/S17df.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5BGX9.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/PTWjr.jpg http://i.imgur.com/aIpe1.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/xgp7M.jpg http://i.imgur.com/2qu5q.jpg

And more awesome stuff happens in the episode.

[Shadow]

Love that show so much.

[Lock Jaw]

Yeah, don't watch it as much as I should.

[Lock Jaw]

So, next month DC Comics launches 52 new #1s! So make your picks now in the... DC Cancellation Pool! PM me ten picks of which books you think will be canceled first! Winner gets nothing!

I will make my picks publicly now so there is no accusations of me changing my own picks:

1) Hawk and Dove
2) O.M.A.C.
3) Blackhawks
4) I, Vampire
5) Voodoo
6) Batwing
7) Suicide Squad
8) Legion Lost
9) Men of War
10) Red Hood and the Outlaws

[Lock Jaw]

Information about all 52 titles can be found at: http://www.dccomics.com/dcu/comics/?dat=20110907

[McLegend]

So Laurence Fishbourne is going to be Perry White in Man of Steel.

[Nowhere Man]

Wait, what? Why?

[Lock Jaw]

I don't really have an issue with making him black, it is all the same to me.... but can't picture Fishbourne being a good Perry.

[parkmania]

Cowboy Curtis as Perry White...

Will have to think on this a while.

[Nowhere Man]

Perry White was basically the prototype for J. Jonah Jameson, the loud boisterous overbearing boss who hounds poor Jimmy and only puts up with Lois's back-talk because she's an awesome reporter. Granted, he's not as much of a total bastard as Jameson, but he's still supposed to be the old news-room lion.

I really just can't see Morpheus being able to pull that off. Plus, I'm getting really sick of supporting characters in long-standing superhero series suddenly getting race-changed for no other reason than 'because we need more black people.' Is it really that hard just to create a new character?

[Boondock Saint]

So, next month DC Comics launches 52 new #1s! So make your picks now in the... DC Cancellation Pool! PM me ten picks of which books you think will be canceled first! Winner gets nothing!

I will make my picks publicly now so there is no accusations of me changing my own picks:

1) Hawk and Dove
2) O.M.A.C.
3) Blackhawks
4) I, Vampire
5) Voodoo
6) Batwing
7) Suicide Squad
8) Legion Lost
9) Men of War
10) Red Hood and the Outlaws

Seriously...were people really clamoring for an OMAC book?

[Tb1]

First pic from Man of Steel

http://www.comingsoon.net/nextraimages/manofsteelsupermanbig.jpg

[Tb1]

Lordy, I hope the don't fuck this up.

[Reavant]

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/18863/1946173-superman_super.jpg

[Optimus Bone 69]

Excellent

[Nowhere Man]

Very nice.

[Lock Jaw]

Giant-Size Man of Steel:

http://i.newsarama.com/images/Superman-man-of-steel-huge.jpg

Being my favorite hero, I reserve the right to nitpick small details. I don't like the texture of the suit. Looks like he has scales. Also not digging Cavill's look judging on one picture. His face just does not look like someone I would trust.

[Lock Jaw]

Also, he better have red underpants hidden in that shadow. :mad:

[JimmyMess]

BADASS Superman

[Damian Rey]

Henry looks great. Love how he has a certain intensity in eyes. Routhe really lacked that in the last film. Hoping this is good.

And I agree with LJ. Better see some red undies when he walks out of that shadow.

[Kalyx triaD]

Hmm.

[Nowhere Man]

Just noticed the \S/ symbol is very reminiscent of the Earth-2 Superman logo.

http://www.megomuseum.com/custom/DC/DC_Earth2Superman.jpg

[Rammsteinmad]

Cool enough Superman pic, but to be honest I'm kinda bored with Superman movies, and with Batman being the only exception, DC movies generally tend to suck nowadays.

[Lock Jaw]

Judging on the one other example.

[Rammsteinmad]

Superman Returns wasn't that good. Catwoman and Jonah Hex were fucking awful. Haven't seen Green Lantern but that's received nothing much but bad reviews. All of DC's off-shoot movies received mixed reviews, films like Watchmen, V For Vendetta etc. (I liked V for the record, but found WM incredibly boring after the first half hour).

All's I'm saying is that outside of Batman, DC doesn't really have a great track record, not since the original Superman movies anyway. And of those, 3 and 4 were also crappy.

I'm still standing by my original statement earlier in this thread that the only thing that could really spike my interest in a Superman movie is if he had a fucking monster of an opponent like Doomsday.

[Rammsteinmad]

Plus, we have Batman next year AND The Avengers!!! Couldn't give a fuck about Superman right about now.

Of course, I'll probably eat my words in a couple of years time once this movie has made a billion dollars and been ranked better than The Dark Knight etc.

[Fox]

Plus, we have Batman next year AND The Avengers!!! Couldn't give a fuck about Superman right about now.

Of course, I'll probably eat my words in a couple of years time once this movie has made a billion dollars and been ranked better than The Dark Knight etc.

If Zach Snyder makes a better film than Christopher Nolan (not just talking about the Dark Knight Series VS the new Superman movie, but EVER in their entire careers), then I will eat my hat.

[Kalyx triaD]

http://i.newsarama.com/images/act01_cvr1_02.jpg

The belt really should be yellow.

[Nowhere Man]

The invincible guy still shouldn't be wearing armor.

Also, maybe I'm wrong, but the numbered robots there might be a throwback to the old Max Fleischer Superman cartoon "The Mechanical Monsters." Which, I'll admit, is a nice little shout-out if that's what they're doing.

Still doesn't make me want to buy it, though.

[LuigiD]

JLA #1 hasn't even come out and it's already the best sold book of 2011. Apparently over 100,000 pre-orders have been made. Tons of pre-orders have also been made for other series. Interesting. Still not buying shit tho. Pissed about this crap.

[Lock Jaw]

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/man-of-steel-faora3.jpg

http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/man-of-steel-faora2.jpg

No trunks on the outside. Movie instantly loses points.

I'm pretty devastated, lads.

[LuigiD]

I always dreamed of a Superman without underwear and now that it has happened..it looks awful. Maybe there will be CGI trunks? :shifty:

[Kalyx triaD]

Yeah I figured they would tie in the DCnU design. I'm fine with it.

Belt should still be yellow, though.

[Fox]

http://images.wikia.com/peanuts/images/e/ed/Charlie-brown-1-sad.jpg

[Fox]

By the way, I fucking hate it.

Guaranteed it will look better on film than it does in those shitty candid set shots. I get that. But that's not the point. Superman's outfit is ICONIC. I thought it was bad enough that Singer shrunk his symbol down and put gay little "S" marks all over him, but what Snyder's doing might be worse. There's no reason to nix the red underwear look. It's a trademark in his outfit and he looks WRONG without them.

This, of course, is purely my opinion.

[Lock Jaw]

And, of course.... it is the RIGHT opinion.

By the way, seeing Charlie Brown reminds me, some comic book company is gonna start making new Peanuts comics.

[Kalyx triaD]

I've been waiting for Clark to lose the trunks for years, I just really think a yellow belt would round out his color set. I learned at a Superman portion of a local museum that primary colors made Superman distinct, now he's like this blue/red thing. He needs a yellow belt.

[Lock Jaw]

I think the movie one does have the yellow belt. At least, it looked kinda gold/yellow in the official picture.

But, yeah, he should have trunks and never ever should lose them.

[Kalyx triaD]

Well at the very least, he looks damn imposing even from a blurry far shot. That's a Superman right there, not like Routh's 'cover boy' Superman (I still miss him, though).

[Kalyx triaD]

http://i.newsarama.com/images/Supergirl-1-interior.jpg

This is just a bad costume. The top half is great but the bottom is just trash.

[Lock Jaw]

Top half is also crap.

[dronepool]

I like the new Superman and Supergirl look. I don't think the trunks are always necessary just like the yellow oval in the Batman symbol isn't always needed. I do however prefer Supergirl with a mini skirt, it looks cool.

[Kalyx triaD]

New Supergirl's top half is nice, hints at an overall regal look. Then it gets glaringly slutty for no reason.

[Lock Jaw]

The trunks SHOULD be necessary. They really tied the costume together.

[Fox]

The invincible guy still shouldn't be wearing armor.

Also, maybe I'm wrong, but the numbered robots there might be a throwback to the old Max Fleischer Superman cartoon "The Mechanical Monsters." Which, I'll admit, is a nice little shout-out if that's what they're doing.

Still doesn't make me want to buy it, though.

I don't have a problem with the armored look. To me, it's less about the fact that he's invincible and more about the fact that his costume was built to withstand punishment and not get destroyed every time he gets shot/stabbed/etc.



Back on subject of the set pictures, I think the guy in black on the right is probably Zod.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/68385/1329855-zod_2_super.jpg

But who is the character on the left? Or is the character on the right Ursa (looks a bit more feminine), and Zod is on the left wearing some crazy outfit?

[Lock Jaw]

It is Faora in the picture.

Whoever the other dude is, he may be crazy tall, because he has a stick extending from the top of his head for an eyeline. Perhaps they decided to randomly have Non be a CGI super big guy.

[Rammsteinmad]

Costume does look pretty weird without the trunks. Either way I'm still feeling pretty pesimistic about this movie. I'm sure it'll make shit-loads of cash due to cinema-goers checking it out, but I really don't think maybe people outside of actual Superman fans giving a shit about Superman anymore. The whole 'invincible guy' thing just doesn't work anymore. It's why people love characters like Spider-Man and Batman, because they're not invincible and have flaws. Or why Hancock (which was an okay film) was an interesting character because he was invincible but an alcoholic.

Plus I've said this many times, but I don't want to see Superman facing Lex Luthor or human-in-appearance enemies anymore. It's 2011, give me Doomsday, Darkseid, Lobo or someone who will look badass on the screen, and will look like they can actually fuck shit up.

I'll reserve proper judgment until I see the movie, but these are my opinions now, before anything has even been released.

[Rammsteinmad]

Plus I've just noticed, considering he's one of the most famous super heroes of all time, Superman has a fucking awful rogues gallery. I really struggled to think of Darkseid (though I love Doomsday), and Lobo is hardly a 'villain'. I mean, apart from Lex Luthor, who else is there that people outside of the DC fanbase would know?

[Lock Jaw]

MISTERRRRRRRRRRRR MXYZPTLK!!!

[Lock Jaw]

Or, maybe next movie Superman has an epic battle with... THE PRANKSTER.

[Nowhere Man]

I don't have a problem with the armored look. To me, it's less about the fact that he's invincible and more about the fact that his costume was built to withstand punishment and not get destroyed every time he gets shot/stabbed/etc.

The old costume didn't get ripped up all the time either. There's no need to turn it into redundant armor plating that's got to be significantly weaker than the guy wearing it.

And I absolutely fucking haaaate the no-trunks look. Without them to break up the monotony, my eye is drawn away from the \S/ and towards that big blue space in the middle of his torso. It's distracting, and frankly bland.

More to the point, it's completely fucking unnecessary. Like Fox said, the Superman costume is absolutely iconic. It's ingrained in the popular consciousness, and is a timeless look. So what if the trunks are outdated and old-school? Superman IS an old-school hero--hell, he's THE old-school hero! Superman stood on the ruins of the pulp era, lashed together the corpses of Doc Savage and the Phantom, and built the fucking old school! DC and WB should be proud of the fact that they've got the progenitor and the gold-standard of all superhero mythology, instead of acting ashamed of it and trying to shit all over 73 years of legacy by dressing him up in shitty fan-art designs to make him look more 'modern.' You don't fuck with a timeless look in order to catch up with temporary trends. That's what I can't stand about the DCnU look, and it's what I can't stand about Snyderman.

I won't even go into all the things that suck about Supergirl's new costume.

[The Destroyer]

Plus I've just noticed, considering he's one of the most famous super heroes of all time, Superman has a fucking awful rogues gallery. I really struggled to think of Darkseid (though I love Doomsday), and Lobo is hardly a 'villain'. I mean, apart from Lex Luthor, who else is there that people outside of the DC fanbase would know?
I always think DC in general (Batman aside) has a far less well known rogues gallery, but Superman just seems to have a really poor one given his status in the DC Universe.

Bizarro is the only other one I'd call relatively well known.

[Kalyx triaD]

Lex fucking Luthor. End of discussion.

[Rammsteinmad]

The last time I read a DC comic, I think Lex Luthor was the President or some nonsense. Is this still the case?

Also, personally LL bores the shit out of me.

[LuigiD]

Yeah..I totally stand with Rammsteinmad with this issue.
Part of the reason why I always run away from DC comics is that the villains just don't appeal to me. With the exception of the Batman rogues and a few here and there..it is pretty awful.
LL is boring to me. If they are going to bring him in, at least add something new. Lets see the Luthor warsuit or something. Part of the reason of Superman's boredom is the lack of villains as pointed before. Hearing James Robinson speak at a convention once..he mentioned how hard it is to write for Superman. Just..to come up with credible threats for a man that is pretty much flawless is tough on writers.

[Fox]

My greatest hope is that after this reboot of the Superman franchise that we will actually get to see Superman vs Doomsday on the big screen. It HAS to happen. It's the most iconic big-time fight in DC history - the one where Superman is actually killed and reborn - it's the fucking Jesus Christ story of superheroes, and the film industry has the technology to do it right and give us a 30-minute long action packed super fight that will be incredible.

But that's banking on the idea that TMOS won't bomb.