All Elite Wrestling

[Emperor Smeat]

I've missed about 2 months of AEW ( because i didnt know what time it was on guys ).

Can someone link me some of the best matches i missed?

When was the last show you watch, All Out 2020?

If so, the Parking Lot Brawl between Best Friends and Santana & Ortiz was arguably the best match since then.

Others I'd recommend:

Brodie Lee vs. Dustin Rhodes for the TNT title
Brodie Lee vs. Orange Cassidy for the TNT title
Eddie Kingston vs. Jon Moxley for the AEW title
Ricky Starks vs. Darby Allin
Will Hobbs vs. Brian Cage for the FTW title
Ben Carter vs. Scorpio Sky from the 1-hour Dynamite special
Ben Carter vs. Lee Johnson from AEW Dark

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is some really positive/staggering data &amp; research about our friends across the pond!<a href="https://twitter.com/ITV?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ITV</a> / <a href="https://twitter.com/AEW?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AEW</a> ��������<br><br>Thanks to our incredible fans for such a successful first year of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> <br><br>(we can’t wait to take the team over and wrestle there) <a href="https://t.co/t7mnrVk7XX">pic.twitter.com/t7mnrVk7XX</a></p>&mdash; Cody (@CodyRhodes) <a href="https://twitter.com/CodyRhodes/status/1317854855990595584?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 18, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Volare]

Holy shit.

[XL]

Those are nonsense numbers.

[slik]

AEW the top promotion in the UK in less than a year

[Emperor Smeat]

To be fair a bit, WWE's recent tv contracts in the UK have been pretty bad in terms of network reach which shouldn't be the case for a company of their size and status. The new one with BT Sport is a step backwards from their prior contract with Sky Sports in terms of home coverage.

Even TNA/Impact regularly does better than WWE despite their recent struggles in the US simply because the networks carrying them have a better reach and better time spot for their shows.

AEW managing to get ITV right from the start gave them a huge advantage over NXT and WWE's other shows in general. Even in Canada, AEW regularly gets better numbers than NXT because of how NXT is treated over there.

Think even ROH might have done better numbers than WWE in the UK until recently.

[xrodmuc316]

Yeah but who cares about U.K. ratings for an American tv show?

WWE Network is available in China, how many views does AEW get in China? Oh zero, well I guess no congratulatory pat on back tweets there, poor AEW.

What about YouTube views in India? How is AEW doing over there?

Guess AEW can't brag about those meaningless statistics either...

[fundiddle]

thanks to /wooo and torrents, i haven't been included in anyone's ratings in probably 10 years. aew gets views in china, just not legit/counted views

[mike adamle]

What is /wooo

[slik]

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[Bad News Gertner]

Oh the Germans


I picked out Owen Hart, Otto Wanz, PN News, Finlay and Dave Taylor in that crowd

[Emperor Smeat]

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/d8Q2p_ScTiU" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

So true believers:

How is your sports-based product now?

[slik]

Still good!

Best wrestling show on TV!

[Jordan]

So true believers:

How is your sports-based product now?

Well it never really got off on that sports report that was released months before AEW actually started. I wish it was more sports oriented. But the fun aspects of AEW are usually my favorite part, aside from awesome matches. AEW is the only Wrestling I'm watching.

[xrodmuc316]

Still good!

Best wrestling show on TV!

Lol it's not though. Maybe the most consistent. In fact I would say the most consistent, but it doesn't touch the peaks of WWE. As much as WWE sucks most of the time, the little they do right still is miles ahead of AEW.

[drave]

That was his opinion. I find myself reading results for WWE, but enjoy viewing AEW more.


Whatever that is. Just don't find WWE TV entertaining as much as it used to be.

[xrodmuc316]

That was his opinion. I find myself reading results for WWE, but enjoy viewing AEW more.


Whatever that is. Just don't find WWE TV entertaining as much as it used to be.

Yeah it is, and I disagreed with him. Its certainly not a big deal from my standpoint. AEW is consistently good. WWE is mostly stupid, illogical, and bad, but they also occasionally hit great. Most times they screw up the great the have going, which is the most frustrating thing about WWE to me, but that doesn't change the fact that the fact that they hit the high point of the peek.

Drew McIntyre had an incredible build to become champion. Compare that to Moxley getting a spike in his eye and stealing cars. It's just not at the same level.

[weather vane]

And yet, unfortunately, I don’t give a fuck about Drew McIntyre...

[Seanny One Ball]

AEW the top promotion in the UK in less than a year

It's on Freeview, WWE is on a pay service.
Also Freeview has a lot less channels so AEW is always visible when it's on.

WWE fans have to go looking for it, and as you can see they don't really want to.

Impact could beat WWE viewing numbers here.
Impact is on a shittier Freeview channel but again there ain't that many to choose from.

[xrodmuc316]

It's on Freeview, WWE is on a pay service.
Also Freeview has a lot less channels so AEW is always visible when it's on.

WWE fans have to go looking for it, and as you can see they don't really want to.

Impact could beat WWE viewing numbers here.
Impact is on a shittier Freeview channel but again there ain't that many to choose from.

Sounds like typical AEW S.O.P. of twisting every and all data they can to pat themselves on the back. The "KEEEEWL" wrestling company :rofl:

[Seanny One Ball]

It depends what you want from the channel.
AEW and Impact are sacrificing money to be on Freeview to reach a far wider audience.
WWE is just signing huge contracts wherever and whenever they can.

So it's money Vs coverage at its most basic.

If AEW do those numbers for much longer then Sky or some other big pay service will sign them up for a big deal.
Unless Tony Khan is just all about playing fantasy boss, in which case he may see big numbers on free TV as a win.

I mean they must get huge advertising deals at least.

[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">After months of silence in isolation, we’ll hear from <a href="https://twitter.com/BASTARDPAC?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@bastardPac</a> this Wednesday, November 4th on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a>!<br><br>Watch Dynamite every Wednesday at 8/7c on <a href="https://twitter.com/tntdrama?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@tntdrama</a> and for our international fans <a href="https://t.co/F00KW2whih">https://t.co/F00KW2whih</a> by <a href="https://twitter.com/FiteTV?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@FiteTV</a> <a href="https://t.co/3T9SNXSfF9">pic.twitter.com/3T9SNXSfF9</a></p>&mdash; All Elite Wrestling (@AEW) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEW/status/1322225516573806592?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 30, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sky is the limit for this 22yr old prospect! <br><br>He’s put in the time and effort at the <a href="https://twitter.com/NF_Training?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@NF_Training</a> - he’s ready to take the next step in his career. A winning step. He will have all the tools at his behest now.<br><br>Welcome Lee Johnson! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DoTheWork?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#DoTheWork</a> <a href="https://t.co/mcJ09Y0oZ4">pic.twitter.com/mcJ09Y0oZ4</a></p>&mdash; Cody (@CodyRhodes) <a href="https://twitter.com/CodyRhodes/status/1322220764058234883?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 30, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Guess that confirms Johnson signed a contract recently and got elevated from jobber status like a couple of others from AEW Dark recently.

AEW Dark has been sort of like a hybrid of classic WWF Superstars and a developmental-like show for AEW ever since they went in that direction during the coronavirus pandemic. The shows themselves are still very hit-or-miss in terms of overall quality, especially the longer episodes. This week's episode was the best one so far of the pandemic era but also ran almost as long as WWE RAW does.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Sloppy shop.

[Volare]

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[xrodmuc316]

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They are SOOOOOOOO cool :roll:

[Volare]

I did like photoshop though.

[Volare]

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[Damian Rey 2.0]

Ortiz looking real clean

[slik]

Great commercial, a friend told me this ran during NFL Sunday Night


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here's a sneak peek at the <a href="https://twitter.com/iDirectorX?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@iDirectorX</a> x <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWonTNT?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWonTNT</a> collaboration that drops this Wednesday, 11.18.20 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Boundless?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Boundless</a> <a href="https://t.co/6egEa2gjXq">pic.twitter.com/6egEa2gjXq</a></p>&mdash; All Elite Wrestling on TNT (@AEWonTNT) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEWonTNT/status/1328155829426663424?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/tonyschiavone24?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@tonyschiavone24</a> talks to <a href="https://twitter.com/starkmanjones?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@starkmanjones</a> about his tag team Main Event of this week's <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> in Jacksonville where he teams w/ FTW Champ <a href="https://twitter.com/MrGMSI_BCage?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MrGMSI_BCage</a> against TNT Champ <a href="https://twitter.com/DarbyAllin?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DarbyAllin</a> &amp; <a href="https://twitter.com/CodyRhodes?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@CodyRhodes</a>.<br><br>Get your tix now at <a href="https://t.co/UN1cNj1kQq">https://t.co/UN1cNj1kQq</a> &amp; we'll see you at <a href="https://twitter.com/dailysplace?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@dailysplace</a> <a href="https://t.co/W8rvM3XSG0">pic.twitter.com/W8rvM3XSG0</a></p>&mdash; All Elite Wrestling (@AEW) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEW/status/1328471114075561990?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I love Ricky Starks.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Video footage of Orange Cassidy before he became famous <a href="https://t.co/ZzPDZMeS0y">https://t.co/ZzPDZMeS0y</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEW</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> <a href="https://t.co/w7oMHuoH8S">pic.twitter.com/w7oMHuoH8S</a></p>&mdash; NoDQ.com: #WWE #SurvivorSeries 2020 news (@nodqdotcom) <a href="https://twitter.com/nodqdotcom/status/1328184779204931584?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[rez]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Video footage of Orange Cassidy before he became famous <a href="https://t.co/ZzPDZMeS0y">https://t.co/ZzPDZMeS0y</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEW</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> <a href="https://t.co/w7oMHuoH8S">pic.twitter.com/w7oMHuoH8S</a></p>&mdash; NoDQ.com: #WWE #SurvivorSeries 2020 news (@nodqdotcom) <a href="https://twitter.com/nodqdotcom/status/1328184779204931584?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Mah man :cool:

[slik]

This guy said Cody didn't like him and Twitter thinks Cody was bullying him now....he was a production assistant....but he didn't even work for AEW, he worked for DDP....


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I'm always referring to Comeback. Most of the experiences I had With AEW folks were very pleasant.</p>&mdash; Louie Benson (@TeamLouie) <a href="https://twitter.com/TeamLouie/status/1329580193959251970?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 20, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Emperor Smeat]

The early stuff about Cody isn't a good look for Cody but the longer his story went on, it did start to become blurry on who he was actually complaining about and how much of the bullying was actually from Cody.

Shame about DDP acting like a douchebag behind the scenes considering all the good work he had done for others in recent years. Then again would help explain that big public outburst he had towards Jake Roberts over the coronavirus that felt like it came out of left field and being a hypocrite when he was involved in a similar situation later.

[slik]

"My bosses said Cody is weirded out by me"


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/CodyRhodes?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@CodyRhodes</a> what are the odds we could get some kind of Cody bbq at <a href="https://twitter.com/starrcast18?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Starrcast18</a> because your meat sounds delicious and I want it in my mouth.</p>&mdash; Louie Benson (@TeamLouie) <a href="https://twitter.com/TeamLouie/status/1021421921769066497?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 23, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[slik]

Really creative pin from Jack Evans this week on DARK


https://i.postimg.cc/LXLytQmh/AEW-Dark-Episode-62-111720.gif

[Fignuts]

That’s a BUSHI move

[Lock Jaw]

I remember that Louie dude from some of the DDP YouTube videos "back in the day" w/ Jake Roberts..... and to be fair he seemed pretty weird.

[xrodmuc316]

That Louie dude's rant is weird as well. Sounds like he was acting like a fanboy more than an employee, and an over the top one at that.

I'm sure the dude that broke into Sonya's house thought he got a raw deal too.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It could be his bosses being weird with him, but it might just be that Cody is a douche too. Or a combination of both. Either way, fuck AEW.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

My guess is the truth is somewhere in between.

[GD]

I wonder what Noid has to say about this nugget?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">He made his account private. Good thing screenshots are forever. <a href="https://t.co/YhzW3XeXvh">https://t.co/YhzW3XeXvh</a> <a href="https://t.co/abTqdmMRsf">pic.twitter.com/abTqdmMRsf</a></p>&mdash; Val ���� (@corgidurst) <a href="https://twitter.com/corgidurst/status/1329835709042225163?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 20, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

(Of course he can't see this post...)

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Creepy guy creeps everyone out and gets treated like the creep that he is. Sounds about right.

[xrodmuc316]

I wonder what Noid has to say about this nugget?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">He made his account private. Good thing screenshots are forever. <a href="https://t.co/YhzW3XeXvh">https://t.co/YhzW3XeXvh</a> <a href="https://t.co/abTqdmMRsf">pic.twitter.com/abTqdmMRsf</a></p>&mdash; Val ���� (@corgidurst) <a href="https://twitter.com/corgidurst/status/1329835709042225163?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 20, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

(Of course he can't see this post...)

LOL wait, that has to be a lie. No way THAT dude is throwing around shirtless pics of himself :rofl:

[weather vane]

It could be his bosses being weird with him, but it might just be that Cody is a douche too. Or a combination of both. Either way, fuck AEW.

Haha!!!!

[slik]

Pandas vs Dinos this week!


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">�� NEW MATCH ADDED �� <br>This Tuesday on Dark, it's the battle of name variation!<br>It's Panda X-Press vs. Jurassic Express in tag-team competition!<br><br>Watch <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDark?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDark</a> this Tuesday at 7e/6c via our Official YouTube Channel ➡️ <a href="https://t.co/VuQtPAtLhb">https://t.co/VuQtPAtLhb</a> <a href="https://t.co/B6CDDeXAUu">pic.twitter.com/B6CDDeXAUu</a></p>&mdash; AEW Dark (@TheAEWDark) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheAEWDark/status/1330602503164014592?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 22, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Volare]

Just wanted to add for US fans here....

Imagine, Top Flight vs Private Party vs Young Bucks.

[xrodmuc316]

Pandas vs Dinos this week!


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">�� NEW MATCH ADDED �� <br>This Tuesday on Dark, it's the battle of name variation!<br>It's Panda X-Press vs. Jurassic Express in tag-team competition!<br><br>Watch <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDark?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDark</a> this Tuesday at 7e/6c via our Official YouTube Channel ➡️ <a href="https://t.co/VuQtPAtLhb">https://t.co/VuQtPAtLhb</a> <a href="https://t.co/B6CDDeXAUu">pic.twitter.com/B6CDDeXAUu</a></p>&mdash; AEW Dark (@TheAEWDark) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheAEWDark/status/1330602503164014592?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 22, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Sports Based...

[Evil Vito]

Top Flight have officially been signed.

[Volare]

MINNESOTA REPPIN!!!!

[slik]

Top Flight was really good, nice!

[Jordan]

Just wanted to add for US fans here....

Imagine, Top Flight vs Private Party vs Young Bucks.

For me I'd want to see one team that is physically different for a bout like that. You need that Dudley Boys style team to balance out all the high spots and toss guys around. So make it a four way by adding in Butcher and Blade!

[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In celebration of 24 Hours of &quot;A Christmas Story&quot; starting Christmas Eve on TNT &amp; TBS we are doing a table read of the movie with <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEW</a> stars.<br><br>But we need YOUR HELP to cast some open roles. Check out the matchups in this thread and vote for your favorite! <a href="https://t.co/JoCDThElWW">pic.twitter.com/JoCDThElWW</a></p>&mdash; All Elite Wrestling on TNT (@AEWonTNT) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEWonTNT/status/1331282439637852160?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Mr. Nerfect]

That sounds absolutely awful. Who would want to listen to a bunch of people with no voice acting experience read the script of a movie they’ve seen about 200 times when they are just about to see it. 201st time the next day?

[rez]

Ortiz for Santa

[rez]

shoulda picked one of the Japanese women as the mother.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Can the bunny play the leg lamp?

[rez]

"I'm Fraj-e-lee"

boner

[Volare]

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[Vastardikai]

I notice that there is a sub-section of AEW fans that are always mad because Cody is in a prominent program. Same sub-section seems to be deftly quiet about the Bucks booking themselves to win the Tag Titles or Omega being in a World Title match, while more or less letting the Women's Division (the Division he's supposed to be EXECUTIVE FUCKING VICE PRESIDENT of) languish. I wonder why that is. :shifty:

But seriously, Omega should be fired from his front office position because he clearly can't walk and chew gum at the same time (especially considering that Shida has more or less cleaned out her division.). The only thing that will get him fired is likely him getting caught with Riho* "playing with his Sega."

*Not necessarily Riho herself.j

[Fignuts]

Cody deserves to always be in a prominent program because his work is consistently the best in the company.

[Evil Vito]

I don’t mind Cody being in prominent programs. He’s excellent.

What I didn’t like was the weekly TNT Title challenge. One of AEW’s strengths since Dynamite started was mixing their talent in and out - you’d rarely see guys wrestle two Dynamites in a row. If Cody wrestles one week, he’d probably be doing a promo the next etc

So when you set yourself up with a mandatory 15 minute Cody match every week it felt eh because AEW has a huge roster to feature.

[Volare]

Our savior to Shida is finally coming back....


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[Evil Vito]

Shanna is v sexy. Stupid amount of hotness in that division. Now just book it properly.

[Jordan]

I recently came into possession of an authentic jar of Shanna farts that I am selling. Contact me for prices.

[RP]

Shanna looks like Natalya so you can keep those farts.

[rez]

Shanna isn't anything special

[Jordan]

Sorry guys my inbox is full from all the guys wanting a jar of Shanna farts I'll try my best to respond to everyone.

[Jordan]

Shanna looks like Natalya so you can keep those farts.

Natalya would make your every meal her number one priority. She would live to please.

[Evil Vito]

Per Tony Khan - TNT have given them the green light for an overrun this week. So it’s possible Moxley/Omega will be a proper PPV length title match and they won't have to schedule the whole show around making sure it wraps up by 10 PM.

[slik]

Nice

[Evil Vito]

FWIW it's been reported in a few places that Mox isn't going to Japan during the pandemic. Not sure if it's because Khan won't let his talent go over or he doesn't want to take the risk.

So either everything's being kept under wraps or NJPW's gonna have to strip him of the title or work a deal for KENTA to take the belt off of him stateside.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I've enjoyed Moxely but Omega as a cocky heel champion is way more interesting, and that's why I hope he wins tomorrow. Moxely can go off in a feud against whoever jumped him.

[Jordan]

It's probably best for there to be a Mox/Omega rematch at Revolution whoever comes out with the gold strap tomorrow night.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Agreed

[Vastardikai]

What Culture's website posted a thing that said "10 Things that will NEVER happen in AEW." I'm sure it was good, but I didn't read it. I DID, however, post my own version of the list.

1. Joey Janella learns how to wrestle.
2. Kenny Omega's Women's division is booked properly, or at all.
3. The fans will complain about the Bucks booking themselves on top.
4. A talent that attracts women will be introduced.
5. Someone who is serious is booked seriously.
6. Jim Cornette makes his debut.
7. Excalliber loses that stupid mask.
8. Luchasaurus stops throwing awful looking, half speed kicks.
9. A legend is used properly for someone who needs the help.
10. Someone gives Orange Cassidy their finish the second he puts his hands in his pockets.

[#1-norm-fan]

Random thought: If AEW, from its birth, just booked every show like the NWA rebirth on YouTube, does anyone think the ratings would be any different for better or worse?

[Emperor Smeat]

Format or wrestling-wise?

I think you might get two different answers in the end. Format-wise, probably the same as a best case scenario but wrestling or action-wise, probably worse since the amount of people who like that style of wrestling is a lot smaller these days.

Worst case is that style of show creates a NXT-like situation where the core audience is very old and the youth base is too shaky for future success. That's not a real problem for NXT since their success or failure doesn't rely on needing to build a brand new core audience and can just pool from WWE's existing audience for viewers.

Biggest problem for promotions these days is wrestling TV ratings have been going downwards for years and mainly due to WWE's stagnation and inability to improve as the leader of the industry. For better or worse, people currently associate wrestling with WWE so when WWE is terrible, tv wrestling in general suffers and will keep doing so until another WCW-like rival is around. AEW is still several years away of being that potential real rival while both ROH and Impact failed to ever reach that level.

[xrodmuc316]

YALLLLLLL!!!! THEY REALLY ARE TNA 2.0 AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[Mr. Nerfect]

Holy shit, I saw the end of this week’s episode. They’re a punchline. They’re done. Fuck wrestling.

[#1-norm-fan]

Covid killed wrestling for good when it took NWA Powerrr from us. Before that cancel culture put it on life support when it took Jim Cornette from NWA Powerrr.

[Evil Vito]

LOL Noid went from being really into NWA to suddenly deciding it was "not for him" anymore conveniently right after Cornette's ouster.

[Ultra Mantis]

Let's be real, noid never actually watched a single episode of NWA.

[Volare]

Yep, Anna is gonna go far.

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[Wehttam]

Let's be real, noid never actually watched a single episode of NWA.

why is he even alive

[Mr. Nerfect]

LOL Noid went from being really into NWA to suddenly deciding it was "not for him" anymore conveniently right after Cornette's ouster.

Huh? Where did this come from? I swear these forums are filled with the stupidest, most insecure fucks. No one they’re dead.

[Mr. Nerfect]

why is he even alive

I’m classified as “essential.” What do you bring to the table?

[screech]

I never watched NWA Powerrr and I probably would've enjoyed it.

[Wehttam]

I’m classified as “essential.” What do you bring to the table?

every time you try to be clever, it fails. because you are a dolt.

please stop being a waste

[Volare]

Calling it now 2021 we will have Darby Allin w/ Sting vs Kenny Omega w/ Don Callis...and IT WILL BE EPIC!!

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Watched a few episodes of power. Very old school feel to it. Not exactly for me but it was a solid show.

[Mr. Nerfect]

every time you try to be clever, it fails. because you are a dolt.

please stop being a waste

As opposed to this content? Every single dick that tries to step up to me gets smacked down. Don’t make me make you weht yourself, ham.

[Wehttam]

nah, mostly everyone grows bored of your same old shit and let you flail away with your diatribes that show you to be a autistic moron

[xrodmuc316]

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[fundiddle]

i haven't heard/read a TNA chant that long since they were still called TNA, thanks for the throwback cumdorx

[Volare]

KENNY OMEGA IS YOUR FUCKING CHAMPION SUCK IT IN BOYS N GIRLS!!

[Volare]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

nah, mostly everyone grows bored of your same old shit and let you flail away with your diatribes that show you to be a autistic moron

Nice job using autistic as an insult in 2020. You might as well have called me a cuck. But hey, when you’ve got a limited set, you’ve got to play your best hits. Just a shame they’re weaker than Omega’s striking.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I can’t wait for this piece of shit to go out of business. You all deserve what you’ve asked for.

[Wehttam]

Nice job using autistic as an insult in 2020. You might as well have called me a cuck. But hey, when you’ve got a limited set, you’ve got to play your best hits. Just a shame they’re weaker than Omega’s striking.

you see it as an insult. everyone else sees it as a fact.

[rez]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/04/arts/best-performances.html

Maxwell Jacob Friedman doing “Me and My Shadow” on All Elite Wrestling
Some weeks the athleticism at this professional wrestling start-up is more exciting than anything happening in Vince McMahon’s empire. And no one in the WWE has this kid’s combination of diction (Juilliard by way of Long Island), intensity or cheesiness, either. Even when Friedman’s lost his cool (his nom de ring is MJF), he still has astounding control. The character is part heel, part tool (hair gel, loafers, Burberry bling — tacky, tacky, tacky) and part goodfella wannabe; his mouth does more running than he does. For reasons only the producers of this show can explain, a long segment in October between MJF and the veteran Chris Jericho culminated in a version of “Me and My Shadow” complete with dancing women and live singing. It was less than spectacular, though not for anything Friedman did. He wasn’t embarrassed at all. He was smooth in a way that should worry Ric Flair. This kid makes you wanna say, “Woo!”

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Excited at the possibility of John Silver and Hornswoggle working together during this merger of AEW and Impact. Maybe they can team together and pull off some twin magic.

[Mr. Nerfect]

you see it as an insult. everyone else sees it as a fact.

How can anyone compete with this wit? This is got to be some sixth grade shit. It also sounds legitimately borderline autistic to me. Since you’re lashing out against them, are you okay?

[Wehttam]

i'm not sure why you keep going on about wit. it would make sense if i were joking.

[Emperor Smeat]

New York Times released their list of the Best Performances of 2020 and AEW's Le Dinner Debonair was among the stuff listed.

Maxwell Jacob Friedman doing “Me and My Shadow” on All Elite Wrestling

Some weeks the athleticism at this professional wrestling start-up is more exciting than anything happening in Vince McMahon’s empire. And no one in the WWE has this kid’s combination of diction (Juilliard by way of Long Island), intensity or cheesiness, either. Even when Friedman’s lost his cool (his nom de ring is MJF), he still has astounding control. The character is part heel, part tool (hair gel, loafers, Burberry bling — tacky, tacky, tacky) and part goodfella wannabe; his mouth does more running than he does. For reasons only the producers of this show can explain, a long segment in October between MJF and the veteran Chris Jericho culminated in a version of “Me and My Shadow” complete with dancing women and live singing. It was less than spectacular, though not for anything Friedman did. He wasn’t embarrassed at all. He was smooth in a way that should worry Ric Flair. This kid makes you wanna say, “Woo!”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/04/arts/best-performances.html

MJF response to NYT's list on Twitter:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/xBf87ditTS">pic.twitter.com/xBf87ditTS</a></p>&mdash; Maxwell Jacob Friedman™️ (@The_MJF) <a href="https://twitter.com/The_MJF/status/1334896803389595659?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 4, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[rez]

MJF! MJF!

[xrodmuc316]

MJF! MJF!

Yeah, some REALLY big star, can't even keep his gramps alive :eek: :yes: :eek:

[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Game of Thrones + WCW Crow Theme + Metallica S&amp;M = <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Sting?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Sting</a> Theme<br><br>Snapshot of my session. <br><br>2 sections- 2 tempos<br><br>50 Tracks- Pipe Organ, Choir, Strings, Brass, Woodwinds, Basses, Guitars, Drum Kit, Orchestral Percussion, Cinematic Hybrid Atmospheres and Effects<br>��❤ <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEW</a> <a href="https://t.co/b9Q2yGEgTs">pic.twitter.com/b9Q2yGEgTs</a></p>&mdash; RUKUS (@MikeyRukus) <a href="https://twitter.com/MikeyRukus/status/1334896283140706307?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 4, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Sting Fan]

"Nice job using Autistic as an insult in 2020" - Noid

5 post later... Calls someones post borderline autistic.

Classic Noid :rofl:

[Mr. Nerfect]

"Nice job using Autistic as an insult in 2020" - Noid

5 post later... Calls someones post borderline autistic.

Classic Noid :rofl:

I wasn’t using it as an insult.

[Sting Fan]

I wasn’t using it as an insult.


Without a trace of irony, so good :lol:

[Mr. Nerfect]

Without a trace of irony, so good :lol:

Oh, there’s definitely irony in someone throwing autistic out as an insult likely being autistic themselves.

[Sting Fan]

Oh, there’s definitely irony in someone throwing autistic out as an insult likely being autistic themselves.

So good, you cant make this shit up. :rofl::rofl:

[Wehttam]

"Nice job using Autistic as an insult in 2020" - Noid

5 post later... Calls someones post borderline autistic.

Classic Noid :rofl:

absolute moron

[Emperor Smeat]

According to WrestleTalk, the reason why Sting decided to sign with AEW instead of renewing his merchandise deal with WWE was due to his unhappiness over his run in WWE.

WrestleTalk’s Louis Dangoor can now exclusively reveal that Sting was unhappy with how WWE treated him during his time with the company. We were also told that he joined AEW to do “something good” for the fans for his final full-time gig.

This comes after it was reported in the latest Wrestling Observer Newsletter that Sting had a strong desire to have a cinematic match with The Undertaker in WWE, something that didn’t come to fruition.

Despite the fact that he is expected to be a full-time regular character on Dynamite, Sting will reportedly not be taking any bumps during his run with AEW because of his history with neck issues and his spinal stenosis.

Minus the Seth Rollins Bucklebomb incident since that was an accident, almost everything he worried about on how WWE would handle him and wanting one last laugh at WCW ended up being true in some form. The biggest being the booking of the Mania 31 match he had against Triple H.

[IC Champion]

According to WrestleTalk, the reason why Sting decided to sign with AEW instead of renewing his merchandise deal with WWE was due to his unhappiness over his run in WWE.



Minus the Seth Rollins Bucklebomb incident since that was an accident, almost everything he worried about on how WWE would handle him and wanting one last laugh at WCW ended up being true in some form. The biggest being the booking of the Mania 31 match he had against Triple H.

Forgive me but I’m not sure what issues Sting or anyone could have with his run in WWE. He should have been honoured to do the J O B to HHH at Wrestlemania. It was the night HHH was final made.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

That match with HHH was way better then I would've ever expected, plus all the run ins, only to end as a wet fart lol. Has there ever been a now egregious HHH win? Maybe over Booker T or Orton?

[Emperor Smeat]

The match itself was pretty crazy but made little sense why Sting would join together with Hogan and the nWo considering their past history and the whole thing feeling as just another cheap laugh by Vince over WCW.

For years, Sting was the most notable top WCW star that refused to work for WWE and when WWE finally snags him, they don't bother to give the fans a Sting vs. Taker Mania dream match and made Sting's Mania debut match feel way less special than it should have been.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Sting v HHH as a Mania match was a fine idea. HHH was dependable, and the match itself was still pretty good all things considered. But Sting should've won and went on to face Taker either later on that year or the following Mania.

Instead we got what we got. Sting with a losing record and getting his in ring career ended.

[Emperor Smeat]

Booking-aside, still get a chuckle out of Sting breaking Triple H's sledgehammer with his bat and Sting's hair looking a bit goofy after a while in the match.

[rez]

TK has made it clear in the past that there will never be an on screen GM like character. I hope that stands...

Otherwise I'm gonna go team noid. i heard his love for dead girls is renowned.

[rez]

Noid tribute

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[rez]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/2692c9c46c699a1d8921038338de8996/tenor.gif?itemid=15464159

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[Emperor Smeat]

TK has made it clear in the past that there will never be an on screen GM like character. I hope that stands...

Otherwise I'm gonna go team noid. i heard his love for dead girls is renowned.

Thought it was he'd never show up as a GM type character and hog up time on a show.

A William Regal-like GM figure could work but AEW doesn't really have any need for such an on-screen character based on the way they current issue matches from a story perspective.

[rez]

it's probably not needed with the 3 executive producers unless there's a storyline there...hope not.

[slik]

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[Damian Rey 2.0]

My gawd I love me some Ricky Starks.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Booking-aside, still get a chuckle out of Sting breaking Triple H's sledgehammer with his bat and Sting's hair looking a bit goofy after a while in the match.

I hadn't realized how bald Sting was. HHH constantly grabbing him hair to pull him up didn't help matters either lol

[#1-norm-fan]

I clicked on this thread blind, scrolled up through the first three gifs and immediately thought “This is a Slik post.”

[rez]

Mr. Nerfect needs to still explain his love for ladies that aren't amongs the living.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Wait, what?

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tony, you tagged the wrong <a href="https://twitter.com/Sting?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Sting</a> ����█♀️ <a href="https://t.co/65148pjWPA">https://t.co/65148pjWPA</a></p>&mdash; Dr. Britt Baker, D.M.D. (@RealBrittBaker) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealBrittBaker/status/1335398722717573122?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[slik]

I clicked on this thread blind, scrolled up through the first three gifs and immediately thought “This is a Slik post.”

:lol:

[Damian Rey 2.0]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tony, you tagged the wrong <a href="https://twitter.com/Sting?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Sting</a> ����█♀️ <a href="https://t.co/65148pjWPA">https://t.co/65148pjWPA</a></p>&mdash; Dr. Britt Baker, D.M.D. (@RealBrittBaker) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealBrittBaker/status/1335398722717573122?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I hope he did it in purpose lol

[xrodmuc316]

According to WrestleTalk, the reason why Sting decided to sign with AEW instead of renewing his merchandise deal with WWE was due to his unhappiness over his run in WWE.


Translation - A new ATM became available, and Sting gots to get paid!

[IC Champion]

Translation - A new ATM became available, and Sting gots to get paid!

Sting could have gone straight to WWE after WCW and made a ton more money than he made in TNA. Don’t think it’s ever been about the money with him.

[screech]

Doesn't Sting own a bunch of real estate? I'm pretty sure he's not hurting for cash.

[xrodmuc316]

Sting could have gone straight to WWE after WCW and made a ton more money than he made in TNA. Don’t think it’s ever been about the money with him.

It's never about the money, until it is.

At 61, with a new Money Mark paying anybody who pretends he is cool, I am thinking it's about the money.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/theAdamPage?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@theAdamPage</a> is my favorite sitcom character: a compilation made by me <a href="https://t.co/WazF4VCyoR">pic.twitter.com/WazF4VCyoR</a></p>&mdash; ceo of orange cassidy (@jonmoxIeys) <a href="https://twitter.com/jonmoxIeys/status/1335677549242953732?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Bad News Gertner]

Noid is the only one with a clue in this whole thread

[Kenny Powers]

Noid is the only one with a clue in this whole thread

Being dick-slapped by Goro's four different penises has given Noid a new appreciation and multidimensional perspective as it relates to the world of wrestling.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING NEWS<a href="https://twitter.com/SHAQ?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Shaq</a> addresses <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEW</a> with <a href="https://twitter.com/tonyschiavone24?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@tonyschiavone24</a>!<br><br>Watch <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> this Wednesday night on <a href="https://twitter.com/tntdrama?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TNTDrama</a> 8e/7c or <a href="https://t.co/GdI7QAsxEP">https://t.co/GdI7QAsxEP</a> by <a href="https://twitter.com/FiteTV?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@FiteTV</a> for our International fans. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWonTNT?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWonTNT</a> <a href="https://t.co/447b0wIfnd">pic.twitter.com/447b0wIfnd</a></p>&mdash; All Elite Wrestling (@AEW) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEW/status/1336158927881383940?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 8, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Tom Guycott]

All deserved criticisms about AEW aside, I got a warm fuzzy feeling hearing Schivone jizz himself over the appearance of Sting. Nostalgia feels clusterfucky booking and execution can't touch... though hard they may try.

[mike adamle]

Finally up to date on AEW. I gotta say I think WWE is better right now.

[IC Champion]

I think I really like hangman Page. Really feeling his drunken, depressed, loner gimmick. He’s pretty cool.

[Evil Vito]

Hangman's great. Hoping he eventually gets the belt off Omega down the line.

[Volare]

Hangman's great. Hoping he eventually gets the belt off Omega down the line.

That's what I feel is next, the redemption of Hangman. Page gets "sober" and gets serious and Kenny takes him as a joke after all his title defenses.

[slik]

A few sites tweeted Tony Khan will be on Impact and then immediately deleted the tweets

[erickman]

A few sites tweeted Tony Khan will be on Impact and then immediately deleted the tweets

yeah i want to see what will be live and what will be taped tonight. impact can tape all there new stuff in jax with the aew folks and bring any impact wrestlers they need for the new stuff.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Ken Shamrock is finally gonna get revenge on Jericho for running him out of wwe.

[Mr. Nerfect]

AEW just needs to hire Bischoff and Hogan and move Dynamite to Monday nights.

[Volare]

Sammy is better than Elias. Change my mind. (6:00)

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[Shisen Kopf]

I refuse to watch it bc it's not ALL elite. There are many bums on the roster.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It's a Bird... It's a Plane... It's Pharaoh Del Sol! <a href="https://t.co/S784PcYKb6">pic.twitter.com/S784PcYKb6</a></p>&mdash; sammy guevara (@sammyguevara) <a href="https://twitter.com/sammyguevara/status/1337614732954656771?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 12, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Volare]

Push that Doggo!!

[Mr. Nerfect]

JR has had enough and blasted AEW on their “evolution of wrestling” bullshit. Ripped into guys, friends and foe alike, standing around to catch idiots. Brandon Cutler took JR’s words and tried to use them to promote his unwarranted appearance on Dynamite this week.

TK is spineless and JR is just happy collecting a cheque, but it would be hilarious if this spirals into something.

[Mr. Nerfect]

JR has had enough and blasted AEW on their “evolution of wrestling” bullshit. Ripped into guys, friends and foe alike, standing around to catch idiots. Brandon Cutler took JR’s words and tried to use them to promote his unwarranted appearance on Dynamite this week.

TK is spineless and JR is just happy collecting a cheque, but it would be hilarious if this spirals into something.

[Volare]

JR has had enough and blasted AEW on their “evolution of wrestling” bullshit. Ripped into guys, friends and foe alike, standing around to catch idiots. Brandon Cutler took JR’s words and tried to use them to promote his unwarranted appearance on Dynamite this week.

TK is spineless and JR is just happy collecting a cheque, but it would be hilarious if this spirals into something.

I think he's doing some damage controll...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Appreciate it Tony. <br>I’m having the professional time of my life. <br>Fully committed to <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TonyKhan</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/AEW?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AEW</a> <br>There’s gas in the tank. 🤠 <a href="https://t.co/tDRFADpV7k">https://t.co/tDRFADpV7k</a></p>&mdash; Jim Ross (@JRsBBQ) <a href="https://twitter.com/JRsBBQ/status/1337913952177631238?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 13, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Volare]

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[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Snoop is making his AEW broadcast debut on the Jan. 6 edition of Dynamite �� <a href="https://t.co/LLge89yCvN">pic.twitter.com/LLge89yCvN</a></p>&mdash; B/R Wrestling (@BRWrestling) <a href="https://twitter.com/BRWrestling/status/1338253309333815302?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 13, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This would make more sense if Cody Rhodes went away for a while and we got a bunch of other Cody Rhodes, with one being a cyborg, a murderer Cody Rhodes, and a younger clone of Cody Rhodes and then Cody Rhodes comes back with a mullet. <a href="https://t.co/Fhn6nZeqP0">https://t.co/Fhn6nZeqP0</a></p>&mdash; throwaway (@BestInTheGalaxy) <a href="https://twitter.com/BestInTheGalaxy/status/1338329484190167043?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[rez]

Cody Rhodes confirmed as remaking Michael K's Multiplicity.

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[rez]

always felt bad for Doug #4

[Volare]

Good thing she's banging the color guy.

[fundiddle]

that makes me think, if someone who didn't watch wrestling overheard a wrestling fan say, "booker t was a color guy," they would probably think so


especially if you said "shit color guy"

[Volare]

I think you can't say that, it's kind of racist

Isn't everything racist in the current world view? Ergo, nothing is?

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Well then <a href="https://t.co/JicpvuuoEX">pic.twitter.com/JicpvuuoEX</a></p>&mdash; Sean Ross Sapp of Fightful.com (@SeanRossSapp) <a href="https://twitter.com/SeanRossSapp/status/1338615694896869383?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[#1-norm-fan]

-Fully committed to AEW
-Has his own podcast where he CONSTANTLY talks about WWE
:roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll:

Yeah, he and Conrad need to spend more time on their nostalgia podcast discussing his work with a company that’s a year old.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Quit using logic, Fan.

[Bad News Gertner]

I can't wait to hear crabby Jim Ross complain about Brandon Cutler on his podcast

[erickman]

I can't wait to hear crabby Jim Ross complain about Brandon Cutler on his podcast

i want to see what kind of work they turn it into

[slik]

Brandon Cutler should attack JR with a bottle of bbq sauce and bloody him up

[Volare]

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[Damian Rey 2.0]

Lmao Tony not pulling punches in that promo

[rez]

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hahahhahaa

[Tom Guycott]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This would make more sense if Cody Rhodes went away for a while and we got a bunch of other Cody Rhodes, with one being a cyborg, a murderer Cody Rhodes, and a younger clone of Cody Rhodes and then Cody Rhodes comes back with a mullet. <a href="https://t.co/Fhn6nZeqP0">https://t.co/Fhn6nZeqP0</a></p>&mdash; throwaway (@BestInTheGalaxy) <a href="https://twitter.com/BestInTheGalaxy/status/1338329484190167043?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Then, later on, we get an ill-advised tag team of Cody Rhodes Red and Cody Rhodes Blue. :shifty:

[Tom Guycott]

JR has had enough and blasted AEW on their “evolution of wrestling” bullshit. Ripped into guys, friends and foe alike, standing around to catch idiots. Brandon Cutler took JR’s words and tried to use them to promote his unwarranted appearance on Dynamite this week.

TK is spineless and JR is just happy collecting a cheque, but it would be hilarious if this spirals into something.

This whole issue makes me think of a story from Lance Storm a number of years ago where people from both ROH and TNA around the same period of time asked him to critique them; and be brutally honest.

The ROH guys pretty much took what he had to say to heart, asked him questions, picked his brain about how to fix said criticisims, etc. A lot of those guys ended up going to WWE.

The responses from the TNA roster, on the other hand, were like "aw man, why you gotta be so negative?" and there was one thing about a stupid finish to a match, and the people involved supposedly KNEW it was stupid, and did it anyway. And their reply to being told it was stupid was "Yeah, but...", which Lance picked apart as a peeve.

Just because you don't like something said doesn't necessarily make it false. Also, why hire these vets if you have no plan on heeding their advice? Yeah, it's nice to have JR call your match, but if you're worried about him burying you on air, how about you don't do the stupid shit that gets you bured? Maybe Jim Ross knows what the fuck he's talking about in the business and has more to offer than to be the nostalgic voice on-air.

Of course, that's the type of critique that would come from someone like Cornette, which means AEW should do 100% the opposite just to be contrarian instead of actually giving thought as to WHY that is a criticisim.

And I want someone to answer - because I'm not going to watch - but I'm betting they specifically do a wait-and-catch dive spot in the 7 on 7 just because its fun to "rebel" instead of it just being yet another dive spot that Randy Orton even called out being a trend YEARS ago. I'd even go so far as to say there will ALSO be/have been (if it's past tense as of this post) multiple finishers kicked out of in this same show, if not same match, just to completely PROVE JR'S POINT without any trace of irony of self-awareness.

I want to know after the fact if both of these things happened.

Everyone remembers Snuka diving off the cage. He didn't do it every fucking week, though, nor was he surrounded by a roster full of people doing the same spot. If they were, nobody would remember Snuka because there'd be nothing special. If everybody did what Jeff Hardy did, Jeff wouldn't be shit today. Same with Rey Rey. One of the reasons why Ricochet isn't nearly as over as he should be is because most of his contemporaries work like he does. What makes him special outside of his "hero pose" spot?

A big part of why nobody's special on AEW is because the roster is full of guys making themselves not special.

[slik]

A big part of why nobody's special on AEW is because the roster is full of guys making themselves not special.


There are lots of people in AEW who 'feel special' tho...they've done a better job of getting over talent many of us had never heard of/didn't now much about before AEW in one year than WWE has done in years. Off the top of my head MJF, Darby Allin, Sammy Guevara, Ricky Starks, Britt Baker, John Silver, OC, Jungle Boy...

The entire AEW roster isn't doing backflips and dives and superkicks...WWE and NXT in particular features as many, if not more dives, flips and kicks than AEW. I never understand why people think this is some AEW phenomenon.

[Vastardikai]

I want to mention Ricochet in particular for one moment. When he did the whole Vader-rage inducing bit with Ospreay, it was exciting because it was new and he hadn't done it with many people.

When he did it with Cesaro, you could buy it because Cesaro is this freakish combination of brute strength and insane athleticism.

Doing it with Ivar (? the bigger guy from the Viking Raiders) kind of made him look bad because this much larger man was keeping up with him and being as athletic as he was.

If he was smart, he would have done that spot with variations where he just overwhelms his opponents on their toes because he was so much faster and athletic than they are. Then again, if he was smart, he'd learn how to throw a dropkick that doesn't look shitty and non impactful. I'm not talking Minoru Suzuki attempting to murder the guy coming off the ropes dropkick, but one that looks like a strike and not him gently shoving a guy with his feet.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

AEW has protected most of their top guys. Cody has lost, what, 3 times since their debut ppv? Darby Allen feels pretty specialeven tho he seems to lose a lot.

Omega and Moxley are two of the most protected guys on the roster. Moxley just lost for the first time and it was some with a screwy finish that AEW has mostly stayed away from, but it was used to actually tell/enhance a story.

[slik]

I don't think Hangman has lost much either.

They also avoid the WWE pratfall of 'people feuding should wrestle each-other every week and then at a ppv as well'.

[drave]

You post more in AEW threads than WWE threads.

[Volare]

Wardlow out with family situation, so 6 vs 6 now (Cutler removed from other team).

[rez]

I'm not expecting tonight to be a stellar episode...matches just seem meh to me. Hopefully there's some good story building with Omega, plus there'll be Sting so there's that.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Are we just to assume we're not hearing from Moxley at all? Really curious to see what they do with him going forward and how, if at all, he plays into this story.

[rez]

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[rez]

Are we just to assume we're not hearing from Moxley at all? Really curious to see what they do with him going forward and how, if at all, he plays into this story.


Brain fart when I looked at tonight's show. Yeah, hopefully Mox makes a showing

[drave]

Sting does not make me want to tune in. Not even when he was in WWE.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Saw Meltzer or Alvarez trying to lie about AEW beating Raw again, then the numbers for this week came out and — no surprise — it turns out it definitely didn’t.

[Emperor Smeat]

You do realize how math and number comparisons when you don't have two equal values works right?

When they and everyone else who noticed what happened did that direct comparison, they took what was the most recent shows for both companies. In that case, it was this week's RAW and last week's Dynamite since this week's Dynamite hadn't aired yet.

Same would happen if you wanted to make a direct comparison with RAW and Smackdown since this week's SD hasn't aired yet.

Now that AEW had their show for the week, this week's AEW didn't beat this week's RAW but that doesn't mean the previous comparison was wrong.

[xrodmuc316]

You do realize how math and number comparisons when you don't have two equal values works right?

When they and everyone else who noticed what happened did that direct comparison, they took what was the most recent shows for both companies. In that case, it was this week's RAW and last week's Dynamite since this week's Dynamite hadn't aired yet.

Same would happen if you wanted to make a direct comparison with RAW and Smackdown since this week's SD hasn't aired yet.

Now that AEW had their show for the week, this week's AEW didn't beat this week's RAW but that doesn't mean the previous comparison was wrong.

That is not how week's work though. There is no configuration that charts the start of the week on Wednesday and the end of the week on Tuesday.

They cherry picked a number they did in the previous week, and bragged about beating Raw for 2 days, then proceeded to lose 19% of their viewers from the week before. It was the same week that Raw lost 12% of the viewers from the previous week.

So no, AEW did not beat Raw, AEW lost a bigger percent of their audience than the Raw show they were claiming they beat for 2 days.

Losing 12% from the week before vs losing 19% from the week before. That is what happened.

[Emperor Smeat]

If your going to compare RAW's show from Monday on a Tuesday like the Observer did and everyone else did, then you only have AEW's show from last week to do a direct comparison with. In that case, last week's AEW beat this week's RAW.

Now that AEW's show for the week aired, if you do a comparison on Thursday for most recent shows between the two, then both shows will be from this week. In that case, RAW beat AEW for this week.

Same if you do any comparisons with this week's Smackdown before Saturday since you have to use last week's numbers as a basis. That comparison then changes after Saturday's numbers come out.

[xrodmuc316]

If your going to compare RAW's show from Monday on a Tuesday like the Observer did and everyone else did, then you only have AEW's show from last week to do a direct comparison with. In that case, last week's AEW beat this week's RAW.

Now that AEW's show for the week aired, if you do a comparison on Thursday for most recent shows between the two, then both shows will be from this week. In that case, RAW beat AEW for this week.

Same if you do any comparisons with this week's Smackdown before Saturday since you have to use last week's numbers as a basis. That comparison then changes after Saturday's numbers come out.

Last week's Raw beat last week's AEW.
This week's Raw beat this week's AEW.

They can spin that bullshit all they want, but it doesn't change the fact that they didn't beat Raw in the weekly ratings.

Bragging otherwise is everything that is wrong with AEW. They aren't anywhere near as good as they think they are.

[Emperor Smeat]

In the key demo, last week's AEW show beat this week's RAW which was the whole purpose of the comparisons to begin with at the time.

AEW had a 0.45 while RAW had a 0.41 for their most recent shows at the time.

Your percentages stuff falls apart as a claim to prove they were spinning BS since your comparing this week's RAW with this week's AEW which they were not doing because they didn't have the numbers for AEW's show at the time since it was Tuesday.

[xrodmuc316]

In the key demo, last week's AEW show beat this week's RAW which was the whole purpose of the comparisons to begin with at the time.

AEW had a 0.45 while RAW had a 0.41 for their most recent shows at the time.

But it didn't.

On Monday the Browns scored 42 points. The week before the Ravens scored 34 points.

Did the Browns beat the Ravens on Monday? No you say, the scores have to be in the same week you say?!?!? That's how it works you say?!?!? SHOCKING!

Maybe a 24 hour ban coming my way again for being mean to everybody's favorite AEW by not going along with their bullshit :rofl:

[xrodmuc316]

Your percentages stuff falls apart as a claim to prove they were spinning BS since your comparing this week's RAW with this week's AEW which they were not doing because they didn't have the numbers for AEW's show at the time since it was Tuesday.

I'm pretty sure that's what I said, they cherry picked the previous week's rating when they lost to the previous week's Raw, then said they beat the current week's Raw, even though their current week's show ALSO lost to the current week's Raw...

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Smeat, please save yourself the trouble and don't argue in circles.

[Emperor Smeat]

But it didn't.

On Monday the Browns scored 42 points. The week before the Ravens scored 34 points.

Did the Browns beat the Ravens on Monday? No you say, the scores have to be in the same week you say?!?!? That's how it works you say?!?!? SHOCKING!

Maybe a 24 hour ban coming my way again for being mean to everybody's favorite AEW by not going along with their bullshit :rofl:

That football comparison makes no sense at all since Browns went directly head-to-head against the Ravens which would be more like AEW vs. NXT and not AEW vs. RAW for that week's game.

What the Ravens or Browns did the previous week has no bearing on that head-to-head game.

[Bad News Gertner]

Wait, people get banned here besides Heyman?

[#1-norm-fan]

I love when xrod attempts an analogy. It shines a brighter light on just how badly he’s missing the point being made to him. It’s hilarious.

[screech]

I love when xrod attempts an analogy. It shines a brighter light on just how badly he’s missing the point being made to him. It’s hilarious.

He does such a great job exposing himself as a fucking idiot lol

[#1-norm-fan]

The smug vibe that came with that clearly ridiculous football analogy...

I’m picturing him kicking his feet up and thinking “CHECKMATE!” after hitting “post” and it just makes it better.

[xrodmuc316]

What the Ravens or Browns did the previous week has no bearing on that head-to-head game.

Exactly, the week before has no bearing on this week.

Raw beat AEW last week.
Raw beat AEW this week.

Fantasy comparing different week's does not mean AEW beat Raw for 2 days until they lost 19% of their viewers.

It means AEW lost to Raw.

[#1-norm-fan]

Holy fuck, he’s doubling down on it.

[xrodmuc316]

This dude knows I don't read his posts, but I still see a blocked post from him after every post I make. Somebody tell him to get off my nuts already smh

[#1-norm-fan]

Lol dipshit’s still trying to pretend he can’t see my posts even after getting caught. :lol:

The lack of awareness and logic is insane.

[xrodmuc316]

LOL AGAIN?!?!?

This dudes post count would be like 5 if he didn't reply to everything I post!

[#1-norm-fan]

It’s not going away. It stings. Every time you read my post and have to pretend you didn’t because the other option is admitting you’re wrong... you die a little inside. Do the right thing. You don’t have to keep embarrassing yourself. It’s not too late.

If you can read this, mention your nuts.

[#1-norm-fan]

Now that you’ve confirmed you can see my posts...

xrodmuc316... I am officially challenging you to a real fight.

[#1-norm-fan]

xrod seems to have gotten cold feet after my challenge and deleted his post acknowledging that he was reading my posts.

I’d like to request that post be un-deleted.

[xrodmuc316]

Now that you’ve confirmed you can see my posts...

xrodmuc316... I am officially challenging you to a real fight.

Yes, I do click "View Post" to see what you have wrote most of the time. Mostly when there is more than one post, but usually it is the same stuff. You swear, you call me names, but I never see the point.

Disagree with me, argue with me, great. Am I sarcastic and smug, guilty. What I don't do is insult other posters directly because it does not accomplish anything. It's why I have your posts ignored. It's not because you are a bad poster, but if there is no chance of discussion without getting cussed out, again what is the point?

As for a real fight, I'll concede. I'm not much of a fighter, more of a pacifist. Maybe it's why I don't throw personal insults around, I'm mostly trying to not get punched in the face.

[Tonya Harding]

My Pussy is All Elite

[#1-norm-fan]

Yes, I do click "View Post" to see what you have wrote most of the time.

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[#1-norm-fan]

Also, 2-0

[xrodmuc316]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/LazyDeepGourami-max-1mb.gif

:y:

[Tonya Harding]

I would let Cody Rhodes fuck me with a crowbar

[#1-norm-fan]

But seriously, xrod. If you’d like to discuss why your football analogy was bad, I promise not to call you names. You gotta actually read what’s being said to you and be open to acknowledging flaws in your points though.

And if you’d like to discuss Cody Rhodes fucking you with a crowbar, I know a lady.

[xrodmuc316]

But seriously, xrod. If you’d like to discuss why your football analogy was bad, I promise not to call you names. You gotta actually read what’s being said to you and be open to acknowledging flaws in your points though.

And if you’d like to discuss Cody Rhodes fucking you with a crowbar, I know a lady.

It was purposefully supposed to be bad, to illustrate that comparing one week to another didn't make sense other than as a way to brag about something falsely.

Dynamite is a better show then Raw, more good and less bad. They should just take that Win.

But they just can't help themselves. If ratings are down for Raw 12% from the previous week, AEW shouldn't use that to brag, because when they themselves lose 19% of their viewers in the same week, they come across badly.

[#1-norm-fan]

No. You think the analogy is bad in a different way than how the analogy is ACTUALLY bad. It’s bad because you’re comparing two things that aren’t comparable. Smeat already brought this up.

You’re saying “You can’t compare one week’s show with another week’s show because that’s like comparing a football team’s score one week to their opponent’s score in another week.” But it’s not. There’s a direct competition there. If you want to make that analogy with AEW vs NXT, go ahead. It KINDA works there because they are actually directly battling each other for viewers head-to-head in the same time slot. Just like two football teams are actually directly battling each other for points. There’s a direct effect being imposed by one side onto the other. That’s why your “The Ravens scored less points the week before so does that mean they lost?” argument was nonsensical.

The days between two shows is trivial. It’s possible for the latest episode of Raw to have lost to the latest episode of AEW. It’s also possible for the latest episode of AEW to then lose to the latest episode of Raw. Who cares how we designate what TECHNICALLY begins and ends a “week” by definition? It has no baring on the discussion.

And on a personal note, I think the main point should be that whether you wanna count Sunday as the beginning if the week, Wednesday as the beginning of the week, Friday as the beginning of the week, etc... The fact that there’s any week-long span where you can find any non-WWE wrestling show beating any WWE wrestling show in any demo is nuts. WWE should have such an insurmountable lead at this point that discussing technicalities based on when a week ACTUALLY begins and ends shouldn’t even be happening.

[xrodmuc316]

No. You think the analogy is bad in a different way than how the analogy is ACTUALLY bad. It’s bad because you’re comparing two things that aren’t comparable. Smeat already brought this up.

You’re saying “You can’t compare one week’s show with another week’s show because that’s like comparing a football team’s score one week to their opponent’s score in another week.” But it’s not. There’s a direct competition there. If you want to make that analogy with AEW vs NXT, go ahead. It KINDA works there because they are actually directly battling each other for viewers head-to-head in the same time slot. Just like two football teams are actually directly battling each other for points. There’s a direct effect being imposed by one side onto the other. That’s why your “The Ravens scored less points the week before so does that mean they lost?” argument was nonsensical.

The days between two shows is trivial. It’s possible for the latest episode of Raw to have lost to the latest episode of AEW. It’s also possible for the latest episode of AEW to then lose to the latest episode of Raw. Who cares how we designate what TECHNICALLY begins and ends a “week” by definition? It has no baring on the discussion.

And on a personal note, I think the main point should be that whether you wanna count Sunday as the beginning if the week, Wednesday as the beginning of the week, Friday as the beginning of the week, etc... The fact that there’s any week-long span where you can find any non-WWE wrestling show beating any WWE wrestling show in any demo is nuts. WWE should have such an insurmountable lead at this point that discussing technicalities based on when a week ACTUALLY begins and ends shouldn’t even be happening.

Fair points, it was an exaggerated comparison. If comparing shows that aired different weeks is apples to oranges, the NFL comparison is more apples to something far different than another fruit.

Calendars almost universally go from Sunday to Saturday. The argument can also be made that the week starts on Mondays, because the weekend ends with Sundays. This is how Nielsen defines their weekly ratings, Monday to Sunday.

When you say who cares how "we" designate a week, I take that as we here, posters on TPWW. That is not my issue with the situation. My issue is AEW personal, and writers like Alvarez and Meltzer who clearly have an agenda, for the first time ever hyping up a previous week rating in comparison to a current week rating just because it is a more favorable outcome.

I made another ridiculous comparison in the actual ratings thread how WCW Thunder in 2000 outdrew Dynamite. Of course comparing a show 20 years ago isn't a fair comparison, but if the parameters are set that we can pick a show from another week to use as a victory, then it suggest any previous week is fair game.

Last week's Raw beat last week's Dynamite. This week's Raw beat this week's Dynamite. An episode of Dynamite had a higher demo rating than an episode of Raw. All of that is 100% the truth.

What is false is for them to use Nielsen Ratings to say they beat Raw in the demos this week, because they aren't following the guidelines of what the week is composed of (Monday-Sunday) set by the company who's weekly ratings they are referring to.

They know what the weekly ratings report is. They know there is no Wedsesday to Tuesday weekly rankings. It is a false narrative they are pushing because they can't help but to schill and make themselves feel important at every turn.

[rez]

Fair points, it was an exaggerated comparison. If comparing shows that aired different weeks is apples to oranges, the NFL comparison is more apples to something far different than another fruit.

Calendars almost universally go from Sunday to Saturday. The argument can also be made that the week starts on Mondays, because the weekend ends with Sundays. This is how Nielsen defines their weekly ratings, Monday to Sunday.

When you say who cares how "we" designate a week, I take that as we here, posters on TPWW. That is not my issue with the situation. My issue is AEW personal, and writers like Alvarez and Meltzer who clearly have an agenda, for the first time ever hyping up a previous week rating in comparison to a current week rating just because it is a more favorable outcome.

I made another ridiculous comparison in the actual ratings thread how WCW Thunder in 2000 outdrew Dynamite. Of course comparing a show 20 years ago isn't a fair comparison, but if the parameters are set that we can pick a show from another week to use as a victory, then it suggest any previous week is fair game.

Last week's Raw beat last week's Dynamite. This week's Raw beat this week's Dynamite. An episode of Dynamite had a higher demo rating than an episode of Raw. All of that is 100% the truth.

What is false is for them to use Nielsen Ratings to say they beat Raw in the demos this week, because they aren't following the guidelines of what the week is composed of (Monday-Sunday) set by the company who's weekly ratings they are referring to.

They know what the weekly ratings report is. They know there is no Wedsesday to Tuesday weekly rankings. It is a false narrative they are pushing because they can't help but to schill and make themselves feel important at every turn.


that's a lot of words for no one who gives a fuck

[#1-norm-fan]

I made another ridiculous comparison in the actual ratings thread how WCW Thunder in 2000 outdrew Dynamite. Of course comparing a show 20 years ago isn't a fair comparison, but if the parameters are set that we can pick a show from another week to use as a victory, then it suggest any previous week is fair game.

It doesn’t suggest that. It suggests that it’s fair to compare two shows that aired within 5 days of another. Not just “another week”. There wasn’t a huge, massive change to the medium of television in that 5 days. There was in that 20 years since Thunder though.

You’re admitting it’s ridiculous to compare the two situations but then your conclusion is basically “Might as well pick ANY previous week...” The reason the comparison is ridiculous is the same reason your conclusion is ridiculous.

[xrodmuc316]

It doesn’t suggest that. It suggests that it’s fair to compare two shows that aired within 5 days of another. Not just “another week”. There wasn’t a huge, massive change to the medium of television in that 5 days. There was in that 20 years since Thunder though.

You’re admitting it’s ridiculous to compare the two situations but then your conclusion is basically “Might as well pick ANY previous week...” The reason the comparison is ridiculous is the same reason your conclusion is ridiculous.

It is not that I think using Thunder is a legitimate comparison, it is that I do not think claiming a weekly ratings victory and celebrating when the shows were in separate weeks means what they are portraying it to be.

Comparing weekly ratings from different years and claiming a Thunder win is an exaggerated ridiculous comparison. It is more ridiculous than comparing weekly ratings from different weeks. The point was to maximize the absurdity to demonstrate that I do not believe AEW should be claiming they beat Raw in the weekly ratings based on shows that did not air during the same Nielsen week. They are bending the data to fit the narrative they want to tell.

It is factually incorrect that they beat Raw in the weekly demo ratings because the shows aired in different weeks. Not how I define weeks, how Nielsen defines weeks. Using Nielsen ratings but ignoring Nielsen parameters is illogical unless they are cherry picking the data to portray the end result they want.

[#1-norm-fan]

This is an odd thing to harp on. They’re using Nielsen’ ratings because it’s the only method of gauging TV ratings. They’re “ignoring” Nielsen’s week parameters because why the hell should they care about the week parameters? Nielsen uses it for their own organization purposes. That’s it. It’s not done to lay down the law lest someone dare compare a show to another show days later that fell under a different week.

Is it really just the wording that you’re bothered by? If they just said “Last Wednesday’s Dynamite out-performed last night’s Raw in the key demo.” would you be fine with that?

[Emperor Smeat]

Nielsen doesn't really use a weekly system for their ratings outside of social media activity and even that was a very recent addition.

Nielsen only tracks individual days for TV ratings so to them, it doesn't really matter when a TV week starts.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Television ratings are compared to the same week’s content. AEW has never beaten Raw. Stop being disingenuous.

As soon as I saw Raw’s record low number I knew AEW would be doing worse. As Raw goes, so does the industry.

[Emperor Smeat]

If that was the case then nobody would be talking about ratings until after Saturday since that's the end of a regular week.

If your going to talk about ratings after a show ends and you want to compare it with a different show that hasn't aired yet for that particular week, then you take what was their most recent show for the comparison. That comparison is also valid since its still comparing shows that have aired within a 7-day week period.

Once that different show airs their new show for the week, then you make a new comparison since the data is now different.

On Tuesday, AEW's most recent show at the time beat WWE RAW's most recent show in the key demo. On Thursday, RAW's most recent show beat AEW's most recent show in the key demo.

[screech]

Smeat doing a great job laying this out very plainly for simple-minded xrod.

[#1-norm-fan]

Television ratings are compared to the same week’s content. AEW has never beaten Raw. Stop being disingenuous.

Television ratings are compared however the person making the comparison wants to compare them. You and xrod seem to think Nielsen has sent down this edict that two shows airing 5 days apart are not allowed to be compared because of an imaginary brick wall separating weeks. It’s fucking bizarre.

[slik]

credit for this goes to Supreme Olajuwon


https://www.tpwwforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5993&d=1241420404

[Emperor Smeat]

Television ratings are compared however the person making the comparison wants to compare them. You and xrod seem to think Nielsen has sent down this edict that two shows airing 5 days apart are not allowed to be compared because of an imaginary brick wall separating weeks. It’s fucking bizarre.

Its Vince McMahon style Confirmation Bias mentality from the both of them.

If something happens that doesn't fit their narrow view, it must be wrong no matter if evidence points the other way.

If something happens that ends up fitting their narrow view, they were always right and everyone else was always wrong. Doesn't matter if they were wrong before, they just need to be right once to make the claim. Also doesn't matter how it has to be twisted in order to be right on their end.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Television ratings are compared however the person making the comparison wants to compare them. You and xrod seem to think Nielsen has sent down this edict that two shows airing 5 days apart are not allowed to be compared because of an imaginary brick wall separating weeks. It’s fucking bizarre.

Remember all those times Nitro was compared to Raw from the previous week? No imaginary brick wall between those 7 days.

Come on, man, you can’t seriously believe this. Over the weekend, especially at this time of year, things change. People use their weeks to order time. That’s literally what a week is. Comparing a nothing Raw less than two weeks out from Christmas that went against a giant football game with a highly promoted super-show from the previous week is sneaky and dishonest. You wouldn’t compare an episode of Seinfeld from 1997 with an episode of Home Improvement from the previous week. You’d look at the two within the same week, because factors from the week could affect the programming success.

Besides, what did AEW even win? It didn’t win in viewership. It didn’t win in the 18-49 demo. It won something like 18-34 and that gets emphasized by people on a payroll and it becomes “AEW beat Raw” when it’s removed from its context, and that is just no accurate. It’s important to stick to the facts at least some of the time.

Its Vince McMahon style Confirmation Bias mentality from the both of them.

If something happens that doesn't fit their narrow view, it must be wrong no matter if evidence points the other way.

If something happens that ends up fitting their narrow view, they were always right and everyone else was always wrong. Doesn't matter if they were wrong before, they just need to be right once to make the claim. Also doesn't matter how it has to be twisted in order to be right on their end.

You are a parrot who copies and pastes his opinions from the dirt sheets. Whenever you are challenged on them you keep falling back to the same mimicked talking points no matter how obviously fraudulent they are. When called out about it you cry about how it isn’t fair poor you is being picked on. And you have the audacity to call anyone else narrow-minded?

Reporting that AEW beat Raw backwards through time is confirmation bias. Last week AEW didn’t beat Raw. It was 1.5 million viewers to 800k viewers, or something like that. How fucking dare you go on about someone else’s confirmation bias lol.

[Emperor Smeat]

OMFG.

What part about AEW beat RAW in the key demo do you not understand. The December 9th episode of AEW did a 0.45 while the December 14th episode of RAW did a 0.41 in key demo ratings. AEW'd December 16th show hadn't aired at the time so it wasn't possible to compare its key demo number to RAW's December 14th show.

Meltzer and others around the sheets and net were not comparing overall viewers when the whole topic of AEW beating RAW was being discussed on Tuesday. And even when they were talking about AEW's victory, it was only in terms of key demo and not an overall victory.

You and xrod are comparing something completely different than what was being discussed on Tuesday just so you can boast about them being wrong.

[Lock Jaw]

Only really skimmed all this because really I don't care at all... really I'd need to see the wording of what they are reporting to judge it....

In reality they should be judging the shows of the same week, but nothing wrong with comparing RAW with the last AEW... def a bit weird and biased if they only do it if it shows a result they want.... but if they clarify that is what they are doing, and that week's AEW isn't out yet.... then meh, who cares

[#1-norm-fan]

Remember all those times Nitro was compared to Raw from the previous week? No imaginary brick wall between those 7 days.

No. Because they were head to head. They aired at the same time. You’re doing xrod’s thing where he compared a head-to-head matchup to one that’s wasn’t. And he even admitted it was a ridiculous analogy. You know it is, too. Stop.

Now, if you think there are ACTUAL factors that give AEW an advantage over the upcoming Raw specifically then that’s something that can be discussed. I’d go back to my original point that any wrestling show beating any WWE show at any point in any 7-day period in any demographic is pretty sad for WWE because they SHOULD have such a huge lead that this shouldn’t even be a discussion...

But the blatantly flawed analogies, man...

[Emperor Smeat]

Only really skimmed all this because really I don't care at all... really I'd need to see the wording of what they are reporting to judge it....

In reality they should be judging the shows of the same week, but nothing wrong with comparing RAW with the last AEW... def a bit weird and biased if they only do it if it shows a result they want.... but if they clarify that is what they are doing, and that week's AEW isn't out yet.... then meh, who cares

At least based on the podcasts and shows I listen to (Review-A-RAW & -Dynamite shows from Post Wrestling and whatever clips the Observer posts from their Radio shows on Youtube), RAW ratings usually just get talked on their own with some tidbits from SD and the Wednesday shows for any notable comparison purposes.

Tuesday's talk was only special because of the shock over an AEW show actually managing to top one of WWE's main shows in the key demo ratings in the span of a week. It was something that AEW had been creeping towards even before their "Winter is Coming" show happened but the speed of it happening was still a big shock since nothing like that has happened to WWE since the WCW days.

[Mr. Nerfect]

No. Because they were head to head. They aired at the same time. You’re doing xrod’s thing where he compared a head-to-head matchup to one that’s wasn’t. And he even admitted it was a ridiculous analogy. You know it is, too. Stop.

Now, if you think there are ACTUAL factors that give AEW an advantage over the upcoming Raw specifically then that’s something that can be discussed. I’d go back to my original point that any wrestling show beating any WWE show at any point in any 7-day period in any demographic is pretty sad for WWE because they SHOULD have such a huge lead that this shouldn’t even be a discussion...

But the blatantly flawed analogies, man...

There’s no difference in comparing a Nitro one week to a Raw in the previous week if you’re going to do the same with Dynamite and Raw. They’re not in the same cycle of events. Call it arbitrary all you want, but the week prior is the week prior. The events being staggered and not being simultaneous doesn’t make that an accurate comparison.

You can say that AEW’s demo one week was higher than Raw’s all-time low. Or point out that Raw this week did worse in one particular area than AEW last week, but to say they “beat” Raw is just utter bullshit.

When that abysmal Raw rating dropped, you could tell that the AEW rating was going to be much, much smaller than it was the previous week too. Why? Because we are moving forward through time and interest in wrestling is decreasing.

This narrative that AEW is catching Raw is absolute bullshit. And you know that, you’re just arguing because you find xrod and me annoying. The true story is that wrestling had a really bad week-to-week slip because wrestling is disappointing. And all this bullshit from sheep like Smeat about how it was a landmark event because AEW has somehow overwhelmed Raw much earlier than expected is utter tosh. What happened when the Dynamite number came out? It was fucking smaller. They lost.

[weather vane]

He’s an angry elf.

[xrodmuc316]

This is an odd thing to harp on. They’re using Nielsen’ ratings because it’s the only method of gauging TV ratings. They’re “ignoring” Nielsen’s week parameters because why the hell should they care about the week parameters? Nielsen uses it for their own organization purposes. That’s it. It’s not done to lay down the law lest someone dare compare a show to another show days later that fell under a different week.

Is it really just the wording that you’re bothered by? If they just said “Last Wednesday’s Dynamite out-performed last night’s Raw in the key demo.” would you be fine with that?

Yes. Why do they need to overplay it? Is it just to be their normal annoying selves? It serves no purpose and sets them up to look stupid when they brag for 2 days then lose 19% of their audience. They proclaimed a false victory and celebrated like a gloating little kid on social media.

[rez]

credit for this goes to Supreme Olajuwon


https://www.tpwwforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5993&d=1241420404

:rofl:

[xrodmuc316]

Its Vince McMahon style Confirmation Bias mentality from the both of them.

If something happens that doesn't fit their narrow view, it must be wrong no matter if evidence points the other way.

If something happens that ends up fitting their narrow view, they were always right and everyone else was always wrong. Doesn't matter if they were wrong before, they just need to be right once to make the claim. Also doesn't matter how it has to be twisted in order to be right on their end.

Sigh, don't you think it's maybe possibly the other way around?

I'm not making up that Nielsen has weekly ratings that start on Monday. That fact is being ignored completely to pretend AEW beat Raw in weekly ratings, even though weekly ratings don't exist and the shows aired in different weeks?!?!!!!

Directly from Nielsen.com:

"Week of Dec. 7, 2020
Chart
RANK PROGRAM NETWORK RATING VIEWERS (000)
1 NBC SUNDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL NBC 9.6 17,053
2 FOX+NFLN THU NT FOOTBALL FOX 8.1 13,636
3 FOX+NFLN TUES NT FOOTBALL FOX 8 13,540
4 SUNDAY NIGHT NFL PRE-KICK NBC 7.2 13,029
5 OT, THE FOX 5.8 10,429
6 FOX+NFLN THU NT PRE-KICK FOX 5.5 9,069
7 60 MINUTES CBS 5.5 9,098
8 NCIS CBS 5.2 8,530
9 FOOTBALL NT AMERICA PT 3 NBC 5.1 9,130
10 VOICE NBC 4.4 6,953
Source: Nielsen. Primetime Broadcast Programs. Viewing estimates on this page include Live viewing and DVR playback on the Same Day, defined as 3am-3am. Ratings are the percentage of TV homes in the U.S. tuned into television. "

"Week of" is literally the first thing they list. Week of December 7th 2020 means the week, according to the company that tracks the ratings, started on Monday. The next week therefore is Week of December 14th 2020.

What it does not list, is Week of December 9th 2020 because, according to the company that tracks the ratings, the week does not start on Wednesday.

Also, FYI, Vince McMahon didn't invent weeks, so no I'm not actually getting that knowledge from Vince McMahon, and that is really weird that you think someone saying a week does not start on Wednesday is because they are biased by Vince McMahon.

[xrodmuc316]

Only really skimmed all this because really I don't care at all... really I'd need to see the wording of what they are reporting to judge it....

In reality they should be judging the shows of the same week, but nothing wrong with comparing RAW with the last AEW... def a bit weird and biased if they only do it if it shows a result they want.... but if they clarify that is what they are doing, and that week's AEW isn't out yet.... then meh, who cares

Lock Jaw gets it. They have never, until this past week, talked about how Raw beat the previous week's Dynamite. Yet they are crowing over this great weekly victory now, for the first time ever, because it favors the side they want.

[Lock Jaw]

There are worse things happening in the world

[Emperor Smeat]

Sigh, don't you think it's maybe possibly the other way around?

I'm not making up that Nielsen has weekly ratings that start on Monday. That fact is being ignored completely to pretend AEW beat Raw in weekly ratings, even though weekly ratings don't exist and the shows aired in different weeks?!?!!!!

Directly from Nielsen.com:

"Week of Dec. 7, 2020
Chart
RANK PROGRAM NETWORK RATING VIEWERS (000)
1 NBC SUNDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL NBC 9.6 17,053
2 FOX+NFLN THU NT FOOTBALL FOX 8.1 13,636
3 FOX+NFLN TUES NT FOOTBALL FOX 8 13,540
4 SUNDAY NIGHT NFL PRE-KICK NBC 7.2 13,029
5 OT, THE FOX 5.8 10,429
6 FOX+NFLN THU NT PRE-KICK FOX 5.5 9,069
7 60 MINUTES CBS 5.5 9,098
8 NCIS CBS 5.2 8,530
9 FOOTBALL NT AMERICA PT 3 NBC 5.1 9,130
10 VOICE NBC 4.4 6,953
Source: Nielsen. Primetime Broadcast Programs. Viewing estimates on this page include Live viewing and DVR playback on the Same Day, defined as 3am-3am. Ratings are the percentage of TV homes in the U.S. tuned into television. "

"Week of" is literally the first thing they list. Week of December 7th 2020 means the week, according to the company that tracks the ratings, started on Monday. The next week therefore is Week of December 14th 2020.

What it does not list, is Week of December 9th 2020 because, according to the company that tracks the ratings, the week does not start on Wednesday.

Also, FYI, Vince McMahon didn't invent weeks, so no I'm not actually getting that knowledge from Vince McMahon, and that is really weird that you think someone saying a week does not start on Wednesday is because they are biased by Vince McMahon.

Do you have a link to that chart since I can't find it on Nielsen's website.

Also that's a network chart which is handled and tracked differently than a cable chart which is where WWE and AEW shows are on except for Smackdown.

[Evil Vito]

credit for this goes to Supreme Olajuwon


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[Emperor Smeat]

Lock Jaw gets it. They have never, until this past week, talked about how Raw beat the previous week's Dynamite. Yet they are crowing over this great weekly victory now, for the first time ever, because it favors the side they want.

The reason why nobody talked about RAW beating Dynamite in the key demos was that until last week's RAW, the inverse had never happened before which is why there was a big surprise over Dynamite doing it.

Prior to the "Winter is Coming" show, last time Dynamite hit a 0.4 or better in the key demo was of November of last year.

[xrodmuc316]

Do you have a link to that chart since I can't find it on Nielsen's website.

Also that's a network chart which is handled and tracked differently than a cable chart which is where WWE and AEW shows are on except for Smackdown.

www.nielsen.com/us/en/top-ten/

Click TV, then Cable Network TV.

Week of Dec. 7, 2020
Chart
RANK PROGRAM NETWORK RATING VIEWERS (000)
1 NFL REGULAR SEASON L (BUFFALO/SAN FRANCISCO) ESPN 4.5 7,763
2 COLLEGE FOOTBALL PRIME L (LSU/FLORIDA) ESPN 2.6 4,622
3 RACHEL MADDOW SHOW MSNBC 2.5 3,724
4 TUCKER CARLSON TONIGHT FOX NEWS CHANNEL 2.5 3,883
5 TUCKER CARLSON TONIGHT FOX NEWS CHANNEL 2.5 3,980
6 RACHEL MADDOW SHOW MSNBC 2.4 3,703
7 HANNITY FOX NEWS CHANNEL 2.4 3,637
8 HANNITY FOX NEWS CHANNEL 2.4 3,769
9 RACHEL MADDOW SHOW MSNBC 2.2 3,327
10 RACHEL MADDOW SHOW MSNBC 2.2 3,349
Source: Nielsen. Total Day Cable Programs. Viewing estimates on this page include Live viewing and DVR playback on the Same Day, defined as 3am-3am. Ratings are the percentage of TV homes in the U.S. tuned into television.

[xrodmuc316]

The reason why nobody talked about RAW beating Dynamite in the key demos was that until last week's RAW, the inverse had never happened before which is why there was a big surprise over Dynamite doing it.

Prior to the "Winter is Coming" show, last time Dynamite hit a 0.4 or better in the key demo was of November of last year.

Exactly, they never compared a current week show with a previous week's show until they could spin it as "We Beat Raw this week!".

That is the bias.