All Elite Wrestling

[Mr. Nerfect]

They’re carnies. They used that word as their “C word” to try and hurt people a few years ago, but it was a confession as to who they actually are.

[Helmsphere]

I wanted to give this promotion a chance, but it's been five years and Pac still hasn't been a world champion.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Is he even still there?

[XL]

I think he has a deal where he’s based in the UK so he’s not always there.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Feels like he’s almost never there. Did he even work Wembley?

[Mr. Nerfect]

I tried to find the sexual misconduct thread to put this in there, but it was too much effort. Jericho’s been compared to Harvey Weinstein by Nick Hausman. It’s being alleged that the reason Kylie Rae left the company was because Jericho and/or other parties lured Rae to a room under the pretense there would be other people there. It was just Jericho and Rae. Jericho “made a pass” (whatever that means) and Rae freaked out.

Kylie Rae, for whatever it’s worth, has liked tweets by Hausman and others around the subject showing support. She also responded with a heart emoji to that person who asked for whether it was safe to talk about what Chris Jericho’s done to people (I’m sure some remember that tweet). That one was a while ago.

Brian Last made a tweet asking if Jericho has said he needs time off to deal with diverticulitis yet.

[Mr. Nerfect]

MJF losing clean to Samoa Joe wasn’t surprising if MJF is going to the WWE (which would be my guess). The dirt sheets are saying he’s re-signed, but I don’t believe they’d know. If he is staying in AEW, what a bad finish.

[Ben Rodrigues]

I tried to find the sexual misconduct thread to put this in there, but it was too much effort. Jericho’s been compared to Harvey Weinstein by Nick Hausman. It’s being alleged that the reason Kylie Rae left the company was because Jericho and/or other parties lured Rae to a room under the pretense there would be other people there. It was just Jericho and Rae. Jericho “made a pass” (whatever that means) and Rae freaked out.

Kylie Rae, for whatever it’s worth, has liked tweets by Hausman and others around the subject showing support. She also responded with a heart emoji to that person who asked for whether it was safe to talk about what Chris Jericho’s done to people (I’m sure some remember that tweet). That one was a while ago.

Brian Last made a tweet asking if Jericho has said he needs time off to deal with diverticulitis yet.

Yeah saw this being a big focus today. Tony Khan getting roasted on Twitter for responding to sexual misconduct press scrum wearing Toni Storm's hat and sunglasses.

This company. Saw a neat meme on Twitter which said "when you fire the wrong cancer" and then photo ot CM Punk yelling and vince with "APOLOGISE"!

Brian Last might just be my new favourite person. Posted the AEW handbook and calling out Jericho's 4am tweets being the reason he is now being accused of sexual harassment. Cannot wait for he and Jim to break this one down :lol:

[Ben Rodrigues]

Also. Tony Khan saying AEW is the safest wrestling company. 5 months ago he was fearing for his life. He needs to stop these press scrums. He is not Dana White.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I’m looking forward to Cornette & Last taking on the main event and what it means/how stupid the devil stuff was. AEW is a drama mine that just keeps on giving.

The media scrums are a joke. No one there is serious. It’s a circle-jerk.

[Ben Rodrigues]

I’m looking forward to Cornette & Last taking on the main event and what it means/how stupid the devil stuff was. AEW is a drama mine that just keeps on giving.

The media scrums are a joke. No one there is serious. It’s a circle-jerk.

I agree with the Black Scorpion comparisons that I've seen online. I'm now wondering if Adam Cole was the original person intended to be the Devil. Didn't follow the best friend thing Cole and MJF did so unsure if Cole being the Devil lined up or if it's full of plot holes.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The Black Scorpion comparisons are very apt. It’s also got the stench of the Vince McMahon Higher Power reveal. Vince tortured his own family to achieve…what? Adam Cole doing this to MJF when he already had MJF’s trust makes no sense.

[Vastardikai]

And the Cult is going after Kylie, who made no statement confirming anything.

You know, like normal people.

[Mr. Nerfect]

She’s liked some tweets. But you know, maybe don’t attack someone who was made to feel uncomfortable by powerful people in the industry? Tony’s handling of the subject at the media scrum didn’t inspire confidence. But that could be Tony being a moron. Still, AEW fans going after Kylie — not because they think Jericho’s innocent, but because his conduct has hurt the company — is pretty gross.

[Mr. Nerfect]

MJF has been removed from the AEW roster page. I haven’t scoured the internet, but by and large the people I’ve seen seem to think it’s a work. I don’t have that much faith in AEW to have their former World Champion under contract. I can seriously see him showing up on WWE television very soon.

[Sting Fan]

Forums down more than its up now :/

I didn't catch Worlds end, had to work but I was happy enough with the Adam Cole reveal for the most part except the attempt to bait and switch with him at ringside for the match. Unless I lost something in translation reading the results and not watching it that really seemed extra for no reason. Cole appearing and unmasking would have felt less convoluted.

Everything points to MJF taking a break to build up the will he wont he sign dealio setting up for the big return. Perhaps we will get Cole doing a "I ran him out of AEW" bit before a big MJF return once Cole is fully healed. If not this could go cold real quick.

I have always believed MJF signed on for longer when the whole no show stuff went down, I have seen nothing to change my mind.

I dont love Joe as champ... hoping thats a transitional thing.

[Tom Guycott]

I wouldn't care if an employer kicked me in the shins once a day everyday for a 7 figure salary. If she gave that up because she didn't like Tweets, she is out of her mind.

To paraphrase Jim Cornette: "I'm saying fuckin' sodomize me with a goddamn rusty fishing knife on national television; just one year of that and you assholes would NEVER see my fat ass ever again!"

[Tom Guycott]

Forums down more than its up now :/

I didn't catch Worlds end, had to work but I was happy enough with the Adam Cole reveal for the most part except the attempt to bait and switch with him at ringside for the match. Unless I lost something in translation reading the results and not watching it that really seemed extra for no reason. Cole appearing and unmasking would have felt less convoluted.


The big boot on his foot would have been a massive giveaway if they did it that way. Seemed like they were working around what they had to to make it make as much sense as possible.

All things considered, it could have been a lot worse. I personally don't love that it was Adam Cole, but it serves the purpose of solidifying him as a heel, a bigger asshole than the now babyface* MJF, and the furthering of a possible spark of this going somewhere with the "associates" reveals that AEW will prob'ly extinguish in short order.

At least it wasn't Jungle Boy or Orange Cassidy or some shit.

[Tom Guycott]

And the Cult is going after Kylie, who made no statement confirming anything.

You know, like normal people.

She’s liked some tweets. But you know, maybe don’t attack someone who was made to feel uncomfortable by powerful people in the industry? Tony’s handling of the subject at the media scrum didn’t inspire confidence. But that could be Tony being a moron. Still, AEW fans going after Kylie — not because they think Jericho’s innocent, but because his conduct has hurt the company — is pretty gross.

Anything short of Chris coming after her with his schlong out on leaked surveilance would have yielded the same result, unfortunately.

What makes it "funnier" is the same screeching shitheads seeing fit to pile on her are the same ones using that collection of CM Punk photos to prove how he's "unsafe" around women because *they* don't like him.

[Mr. Nerfect]

They picked the losing team and they’re going to stick with that team, dammit.

[Sting Fan]

The big boot on his foot would have been a massive giveaway if they did it that way. Seemed like they were working around what they had to to make it make as much sense as possible.

All things considered, it could have been a lot worse. I personally don't love that it was Adam Cole, but it serves the purpose of solidifying him as a heel, a bigger asshole than the now babyface* MJF, and the furthering of a possible spark of this going somewhere with the "associates" reveals that AEW will prob'ly extinguish in short order.

At least it wasn't Jungle Boy or Orange Cassidy or some shit.

I honestly didn't think of the boot, its a good point and probably explains a bit of the clunkiness tbh.

I am happy with it being Cole, everyone now wants to claim it was the obvious outcome but go back in time a week and the internet was full of theories. In so far as an intrigue angle it did its job despite every man and his dog now claiming it was obvious.

What they do with it will be interesting if MJF really is out for a while and AC is still out a while. Hard to keep an angle hot when ones gone and the other is injured.

[Mr. Nerfect]

No one gives a shit. MJF is dead in the water if he is still with AEW.

[Volchok]

No one gives a shit. MJF is dead in the water if he is still with AEW.

It is hilarious he spent 2 years doing the whole "bidding war of 2024" and no one's talking about him, only Sasha

[Ben Rodrigues]

It is hilarious he spent 2 years doing the whole "bidding war of 2024" and no one's talking about him, only Sasha

Difficult to do this story whilst being a white meat babyface/company man.

[Volchok]

Difficult to do this story whilst being a white meat babyface/company man.

True. TK really fucked up his whole aura and character.

[xrodmuc316]

So now they have Edge fueding with Griff Garrison and Cole Karter? Gotta love that creative freedom!!! :rofl::rofl::rofl:

[rez]

So Darby and Stinger are like 26-0 they said tonight. wowza..def Sting's last match will be against Darby and I hope he doesn't kill him.

[rez]

Stinger really needs to come out more without the long shirt and embrace his muscular old man body.

[rez]

Dude needs to retire as Surfer Sting. Long trunks, wrestling boots, and no shirt

[rez]

I'm gonna call it. HHH is going to lend out Undertaker for a cameo for Sting's retirement

[rez]

Not to wrestle. He'll just slowly make his way to the ring.

[rez]

I think AJ will eventually make his way to AEW... Not sure what year he is on his contract.

[xrodmuc316]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tough day for the Khans. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Jaguars?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Jaguars</a> get upset by the Titans to miss the playoffs, and Collision viewership drops under 400K����<br><br>P2+: 397K - Down 37% vs. last week<br><br>18-49: 170K - Down 3% vs. last week</p>&mdash; Alfred Konuwa (@ThisIsNasty) <a href="https://twitter.com/ThisIsNasty/status/1744103368237400556?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 7, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Mr. Nerfect]

AEW has crossed into new levels of bad. You can’t objectively argue that the booking even makes sense anymore. It’s gone beyond an issue of taste. That is going to do a lot of damage to their already dwindling ratings.

[Lock Jaw]

I think AJ will eventually make his way to AEW... Not sure what year he is on his contract.

Only way he goes to AEW is if WWE releases him or doesn't renew his contract.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Who can be excited about this Undisputed Kingdom stable? People are also going to see the long-term direction being alluded to and reject it because it isn’t very good. Babyface Luchasaurus and Cole/Wardlow are not going to get anyone’s senses going. It’s also basically the same story lol. But Tony sticks to his bad ideas, so people are probably groaning at the commitment to this bad direction.

[Ben Rodrigues]

Just listened to Cornette's break down of the Devil reveal. Great stuff! I haven't been keeping up with AEW since Punk got fired but if what these two are saying is accurate - hilarious :lol:

[Tom Guycott]

I honestly didn't think of the boot, its a good point and probably explains a bit of the clunkiness tbh.

I am happy with it being Cole, everyone now wants to claim it was the obvious outcome but go back in time a week and the internet was full of theories. In so far as an intrigue angle it did its job despite every man and his dog now claiming it was obvious.

What they do with it will be interesting if MJF really is out for a while and AC is still out a while. Hard to keep an angle hot when ones gone and the other is injured.

Overall, it was obvious. Even from the start, it seemed like this was the direction of pairing up Cole and MJF to begin with, just so AC could "outsmart" him, and be what was supposed to be a double turn of sorts... since MJF was a heel that everyone liked and Adam Cole was a babyface running on expiring sympathy.

However, I don't think either of them or Tony imagined that them being a babyface tandem would get over as hot as it did, so they kept running with it. On top of that, the injuries started piling up on both guys, fucking up a storyline that was likely supposed to wrap up months ago given how fast TK likes to burn through angles.

However, what happens in recent history about anything "obvious"? Everyone is usually inclined to do the Vince Russo thing and "swerve, bro" because the if anyone can see it coming, then it must not be good. Every ending has to have some M Knight Shamalyan twist just to fool the dirt sheets and smart fans, right?!

Again, they could've tried to drop in Danhausen or Kip Sabian or Hook for zero reason other than "HA, WE FOOLED YOU!" and it is at least good they didn't try that.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It is interesting that Tony hasn’t seemed to be able to secure any of the talent that WWE released recently. I wonder if this is talent’s prerogative or if this is some 3D chess in terms to WWE whispering some suggestions about whether to work or not work if they want to come back.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I still don’t understand why the devil? Why…do that? It doesn’t help Adam Cole. I also don’t see why Samoa Joe worked with them after promising to help MJF. How does this make sense?

[Sting Fan]

Overall, it was obvious. Even from the start, it seemed like this was the direction of pairing up Cole and MJF to begin with, just so AC could "outsmart" him, and be what was supposed to be a double turn of sorts... since MJF was a heel that everyone liked and Adam Cole was a babyface running on expiring sympathy.

However, I don't think either of them or Tony imagined that them being a babyface tandem would get over as hot as it did, so they kept running with it. On top of that, the injuries started piling up on both guys, fucking up a storyline that was likely supposed to wrap up months ago given how fast TK likes to burn through angles.

However, what happens in recent history about anything "obvious"? Everyone is usually inclined to do the Vince Russo thing and "swerve, bro" because the if anyone can see it coming, then it must not be good. Every ending has to have some M Knight Shamalyan twist just to fool the dirt sheets and smart fans, right?!

Again, they could've tried to drop in Danhausen or Kip Sabian or Hook for zero reason other than "HA, WE FOOLED YOU!" and it is at least good they didn't try that.

I think your pretty much spot on here. In a world built on the swerve (wrestling in general) predictable is often the best outcome and I think this is one of those cases. For anyone watching it was all there and the real element of doubt was swerve for swerves sake.

Your call out about the tag team bit of it running long is a good one.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think they should probably move on from this Undisputed Kingdom stuff pretty quickly. I was thinking today they could have Strong fail to win the International Title. War flow can be sent in to do it. He succeeds where Strong fails. Jealousy. When Adam Cole is healed, he demands the belt. Wardlow says no way and starts whooping both Cole & Strong. You can do a triple threat between them at some point. Taven & Bennett can go off as a team. I’d consider tying Evil Adam Cole to the Don Callis Family stuff. Puts him with a more visually interesting group.

Kyle O’Reilly can return and be offered a spot with Cole and he can turn it down, be a face.

I think that puts them in more appropriate spots and can move the story in a less bland direction.

[xrodmuc316]

If you missed Collision this week, it is just like how the Jaguars missed the playoffs :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Tom Guycott]

Surprised there isn't anything about Tony trying to make a point about WWE shoehorning Jinder Mahal that, of course, backfired spectacularly because it shines a big light on his own shitty booking.

The only positive that could come from this is that it sets up an instant first feud for [insert whatever name WWE gives HOOK from their name generator] vs Jinder when Taz's kid jumps ship.

[Ben Rodrigues]

I enjoyed the back and forth between Bischoff and Khan on Twitter :lol:

[Sepholio]

Yep, serious foot in mouth moment from him again. MJF was like 1-5 in 2022 before not rassling for 4 months, coming back and winning the battle royale, and then the title.

I love that Jinder retweeted and said something like "Who tf is Hook?"

[Ben Rodrigues]

I see heaps of stuff on Wardlow dropping off but what about Hook? He was quite over a few years ago... don't hear much about him now.

[Sepholio]

He's the same as always. Appears every once in awhile and squashes someone else who is never used. Hangs out with comedy jobbers. He may be 28-1, but it's hard for me to take him seriously at all. He's basically the boss of the low card/novelty acts. I have no idea why they've booked a guy so strongly while he's basically an afterthought 98% of the time. It's weird. And now that they finally seem to be pulling the trigger on him, it's well over a year too late and almost all of his hype is gone. That ship sailed long ago. Hopefully he does better in NXT when they get their hands on him.

[Sepholio]

Hope NXT gets Taz as a trainer too tbh. Want to see him create an entire class of suplex machines.

[Sepholio]

MmmmmMmMMmMm Bron expanding his arsenal with some new suplexes crafted by Taz.....

[drave]

Bron has the look to be Suplex Machine 2.0


Do eeeeeeet

He also has the look to "choke someone out". Do that too.

[drave]

Bron has the look to be Suplex Machine 2.0


Do eeeeeeet

He also has the look to "choke someone out". Do that too.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I’m pretty sure I didn’t “get it” when I saw Hook. He seemed green a shit from memory. But maybe I’m crossing him up with someone? I don’t even know how well he would do in NXT. He just doesn’t seem very interesting tbh.

TK fucked up. Again. Another shitty look for AEW while they are chasing a TV deal with ANYONE. Keeping in mind they’ve got giant expenditures. He’s only got himself and his product to blame if it ends up impossible for him to ever recoup money on this and daddy takes it all away.

I went into the specifics in another thread, but something I didn’t mention that others picked up on is that TK randomly books people into title matches all the time. Abadon getting a TBS Title shot was one I noticed. I don’t remember the last time I read anything about The Kingdom getting a win on Dynamite.

[Mr. Nerfect]

You gotta love the shitshow.

[Sting Fan]

I see heaps of stuff on Wardlow dropping off but what about Hook? He was quite over a few years ago... don't hear much about him now.

Hooks an interesting one, he was real hot there for a while and he really wasnt doing a lot just squashes and kind of built as a bad ass despite his size. His promo work is clunky, his ring works pretty clean and keeps improving but hes so small while working a bigger mans style I'm not sure how far it can take him. I will say he seems strong AF, some of his suplexes are impressive!

I'm curious how they handle him vs. Joe, I see no way Hook beats him. Given Joes a new champ anything but Joe over pretty strong seems silly. Maybe we get the old Joe hits him with all hes got, totally in control but Hook wont die and gains respect type deal.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol, I heard Cornette describe The Bucks’ return so I had to see it for myself. Afterwards, for fun, I actually read the YouTube comments. Almost ALL of them are negative. You’re not going to get The Bucks by on the graces of fans shoehorning them into this position.

[drave]

The comment section of youtube is the dregs of all society. Look up a random YT video and go to comments. Anything about anything is negative.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The comment section of youtube is the dregs of all society. Look up a random YT video and go to comments. Anything about anything is negative.

Not true.

[Big Vic]

What app has the worst comment section? I'd say Instagram.

[XL]

Sting’s last match being against the Young Bucks is a total dud.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Even if you look past The Young Bucks being shit, there’s not really any meaty “story” reason for it happening. Have they even been linked on-air before? At least FTR are from the Carolinas, if you went with them.

And still ignoring that The Bucks are shit — even if you want to pretend they are good — what they are good at is an entirely different thing to what Sting needs.

Then there is the fact that they are actual total shit.

[weather vane]

The comment section of youtube is the dregs of all society. Look up a random YT video and go to comments. Anything about anything is negative.

Everywhere stinks. Wrestling fans are brutal. Complete lunatics. Fuck look at some of the psychos here. I mean it isn’t politics but it’s in the ballpark.

[screech]

Wrestling Twitter is brutal. The creeps come out on Instagram. And the racists are all over YouTube comments.

Tough call for worst comment section.

[Big Vic]

Wife looks at girly shit on instagram and the comment section is vile.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It’s convenient for some to use the idea of negativity on the internet as a straw-man to dismiss platforms.

[Ben Rodrigues]

A lot of noise on Twitter about the kick out at one by Hook. The response reminded me or when Omega kicked out at one with Osprey.

I still don't get the appeal but the fans seem to go crazy. Years ago DDP commented that his match with Goldberg would have been much better had Goldberg kicked at out after 2 following the Diamond Cutter. I agree.

The long two counts followed by a last second kick out adds to the drama. I imagine Cactus Jack kicking out of the Pedigree at 1 at the Royal Rumble having nowhere near the same level of impact.

[Sting Fan]

Sting’s last match being against the Young Bucks is a total dud.

News section reckons it was Stings call, if thats who he wants more power to him I guess. They will bump there asses off for him I'm sure, there interactions with Darby will be wild, but its an odd fit.

In a perfect world (for me) Sting would have made a run at a heel MJF for the World title but fall short. This leads to Darby beating MJF and then offering Sting a shot at the title, Sting falls short and retires. But it sounds like Stings not up to a singles run and I guess that scenario or sone like it robs him of his farewell tour.

The man can do as he pleases in my book so if he wants the Bucks I hope he goes out on a good show. He does seem to like jumping off high shit in this run so that might fit well with the Bucks and Darby.

[Mr. Nerfect]

A lot of noise on Twitter about the kick out at one by Hook. The response reminded me or when Omega kicked out at one with Osprey.

I still don't get the appeal but the fans seem to go crazy. Years ago DDP commented that his match with Goldberg would have been much better had Goldberg kicked at out after 2 following the Diamond Cutter. I agree.

The long two counts followed by a last second kick out adds to the drama. I imagine Cactus Jack kicking out of the Pedigree at 1 at the Royal Rumble having nowhere near the same level of impact.

The kick at one sounds fucking stupid and like a shark jumping moment for the match. Kicking out of the powerslam? Cool. That’s his kick out spot. He can counter the Muscle Buster once. Next time Joe hits it, slaps in the choke, that’s it.

Kicking out of moves isn’t hard. It’s kind of cheap.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Who cares if Sting did choose The Bucks? It’d be great if legends made good choices. Sting didn’t.

[drave]

It’s convenient for some to use the idea of negativity on the internet as a straw-man to dismiss platforms.

No one is straw manning at all.

The comment was that all of Youtube comments are terrible, because they are.

Others added that it gets worse on other platforms, and they're also correct. :wave:

[screech]

No one is dismissing platforms, Noid just can't comprehend simple words.

[Mr. Nerfect]

No one is straw manning at all.

The comment was that all of Youtube comments are terrible, because they are.

Others added that it gets worse on other platforms, and they're also correct. :wave:

That’s not true at all lol.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I happened to have a TNA video open. Frankie Kazarian turns on Eric Young. Almost all the comments at the top are either positive or simple observations.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Dave Meltzer apparently had a minor meltdown whining about The House of Black and how they “never do jobs” like they’re the ones booking the company. He’s mad that they want to go back to WWE even though WWE treated them “like shit.”

[The Fraze]

It's difficult to take anything Dave Meltzer says seriously. I hardly pay attention to him (or many of the dirt sheet writers) anymore.

[Mr. Nerfect]

He compromised his own credibility.

[The Fraze]

Absolutely.

[Vastardikai]

Also know that HoB went to Collision to get away from the clown show.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It’s weird, because HOB do jobs. I remember Buddy Matthews losing two big singles matches at the onset of Collision. They’re also not trios champs anymore. So it’s just not reflective of the reality.

But also lol at how the show is booked around this alleged stuff and NONE of it is put on Tony Khan.

It’s also annoying when this came up for a guy like Miro, who reportedly refused to lose to someone. The more pressing point is that Miro shouldn’t have been losing.

[Mr. Nerfect]

As AEW’s attendance drops to absolutely abysmal lows, Tony Khan has discovered a remedy to address this: He has a huge announcement planned for a Dynamite. Either this week or next week. Who cares?

[Ben Rodrigues]

Still don't like the rankings. Can't remember exactly how the old format was, but having the four singles champions and then the contenders ranked 1-5 is confusing. Is number one the number one contender to all the singles belts? Or are they #5 overall? Does that mean Christian is the number one contender to the AEW title?

[Mr. Nerfect]

They are a bad idea, they always were a bad idea, they always will be a bad idea.

[XL]

Think HoB’s contracts don’t expire for a few years. By which point the will they-won’t they break up with Judgment Day might have been concluded and The Final Testament will have proved as further evidence that you just can’t get Kross over. Open spot for a Spooky Bollocks group.

[The Fraze]

Will Tony Khan subtweet about The Rock/Roman/Cody situation?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Think HoB’s contracts don’t expire for a few years. By which point the will they-won’t they break up with Judgment Day might have been concluded and The Final Testament will have proved as further evidence that you just can’t get Kross over. Open spot for a Spooky Bollocks group.

I’d be happy for them to have individual runs.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Will Tony Khan subtweet about The Rock/Roman/Cody situation?

I sure as shit hope so.

[The Fraze]

🤞

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol, I cannot wait for the drama once Sasha Banks gets to AEW. It’s pretty funny they’re calling the show “Big Business.” Way to draw attention to you being small time.

[Lock Jaw]

On a scale of 1-10 how awkward do you think Tony Khan's hug with Sasha will be?

[xrodmuc316]

On a scale of 1-10 how awkward do you think Tony Khan's hug with Sasha will be?

Might be slightly less awkward than this :rofl:

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[weather vane]

On a scale of 1-10 how awkward do you think Tony Khan's hug with Sasha will be?

You love this joke eh? Haha

[Lock Jaw]

People who aren't on the temp forum didn't see it.... so had to do it again

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I mean this thread is basically people repeating the same few jokes for over 5 years so it makes sense.

[The Fraze]

On a scale of 1-10 how awkward do you think Tony Khan's hug with Sasha will be?

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[Mr. Nerfect]

I mean this thread is basically people repeating the same few jokes for over 5 years so it makes sense.

The product has continuously sucked in the same way for 5 years. When the content gets fresh, the material making fun of it will.

[Mr. Nerfect]

On a scale of 1-10 how awkward do you think Tony Khan's hug with Sasha will be?

It will be somewhere between Claudio and Okada.

Nah, Sasha is going to lean into it. But she won’t be able to hide her disgust. It’ll be like palms on the back, eyes closed, grimace, as little body contact as possible.

[xrodmuc316]

Every week is the best shows AEW has ever done.
Every month AEW is on the best run they have ever had.
Every tweet Tiny makes is more and more desperate.

While WWE had the wrestling world going crazy, Tiny is tweeting this...
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Thank you all who watch AEW!<br>I believe this past week on Saturday Night <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWCollision?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWCollision</a> + last night Wednesday Night <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> each was among our best shows ever!<br>I'm so excited about what we're doing now in AEW thanks to your support going into <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWRevolution?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWRevolution</a> + <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWBigBusiness?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWBigBusiness</a>!</p>&mdash; Tony Khan (@TonyKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1755764474680852750?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 9, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Everything is the best AEW, if you ignore the show content, the attendance, and the ratings.

[Mr. Nerfect]

AEW is about to cross over into what they do doesn’t even qualify as news territory.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Every week is the best shows AEW has ever done.
Every month AEW is on the best run they have ever had.
Every tweet Tiny makes is more and more desperate.

While WWE had the wrestling world going crazy, Tiny is tweeting this...
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Thank you all who watch AEW!<br>I believe this past week on Saturday Night <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWCollision?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWCollision</a> + last night Wednesday Night <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> each was among our best shows ever!<br>I'm so excited about what we're doing now in AEW thanks to your support going into <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWRevolution?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWRevolution</a> + <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWBigBusiness?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWBigBusiness</a>!</p>&mdash; Tony Khan (@TonyKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1755764474680852750?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 9, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Everything is the best AEW, if you ignore the show content, the attendance, and the ratings.

He could have just DM’d the few people who still watch AEW. No reason to make a public statement.

They were also among the worst shows they’ve ever done. Of all the shows they’ve done, they were among them. Everything is great — blah, blah, blah. How about striving to be better than shit?

It’s really great someone is excited for what AEW is doing, even if it’s just the guy who owns it.

Can’t wait for The Young Bucks to suck the air out of the room for Sting’s last match and Sasha Banks to come out and talk about how she’s the new CEO of AEW and will be Women’s Champion soon!

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol, Swerve Strickland on AEW: “We are the best in the ring. Just because we’re not stopping a show to speak for 30 minutes and do all these melodramatic things doesn’t mean it’s not storytelling. We’re just giving you an alternative to the storytelling. Like the Continental Classic.”

Didn’t he just illegally break into his rival’s house to try and cut a promo on his baby? I’d maybe not take shots at others being melodramatic.

[Mr. Nerfect]

AEW’s video game has apparently had its price slashed because it’s a giant pile of trash. Can we admit I was right about it yet?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Just heard the shit Kenny Omega and Tony Khan tried to pull with Rossy Ogawa and STARDOM. :lol:

[The Fraze]

AEW is difficult to get through.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I still find it entertaining to talk about. I think my favorite thing for this week was Dave Meltzer losing his mind over Darby’s promo. It never occurs to Dave that maybe The Bucks are genuinely assholes.

It’s so funny that AEW is trying to get them over as this serious heel team.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol at Ospreay and Takeshita having a match because no one else will fight them.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Adam Page and Swerve Strickland going to a draw to set up a three-way is uninspired too.

[The Fraze]

Well documented that The Fraze and Tb1 were at Revolution in San Francisco last year. This year's will probably be good despite the current state of the product.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I’m looking forward to hearing about what sort of reaction The Young Bucks get. They don’t feel like good opponents for Sting’s last match and they’re mired in their own bullshit.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol, I heard a clip of Bryan Alvarez trying to suggest that AEW’s low attendance is because they don’t release enough of the cards in advance. Like people are sitting at home, really itching to go — but they just don’t know they’re going to miss out on that Bryan Danielson vs. Eddie Kingston match.

Come on. You know what you are getting with AEW by now. The people are voting with their money.

[Ben Rodrigues]

Lol, I heard a clip of Bryan Alvarez trying to suggest that AEW’s low attendance is because they don’t release enough of the cards in advance. Like people are sitting at home, really itching to go — but they just don’t know they’re going to miss out on that Bryan Danielson vs. Eddie Kingston match.

Come on. You know what you are getting with AEW by now. The people are voting with their money.

:lol:

[Vastardikai]

So, Deonna Purrazo tried to kill Madison Rayne in a slow motion match.

[screech]

The fucked up part was they showed that again as "the move of the night."

[Mr. Nerfect]

Poor people don’t like AEW, apparently. Makes sense. Rich people don’t either.

[Vastardikai]

Casual fans: why should I give a fuck about this random guy you brought in who "wrestles good."

Bullet Cult: Die in a fire!

Meltzer: You are poor!

[Big Vic]

So why did everyone turn on AEW? I think it happened sometime after the Punk situation?

Was there a specific event or did they just start making a shit product?

[Evil Vito]

Feel like I've been enjoying AEW more in the first 2 months of 2024 than I did all of last year. I didn't hate 2023 mind, the PPVs were usually belters but it was certainly their weakest year to date creatively, felt a lot more scatterbrained across the board. The Devil angle was especially fucking stupid, you could've had Cole turn on MJF without the stupid whodunnit aspect.

Just has felt like a more well-rounded product to me this year. But hey, to each their own provolone.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Casual fans: why should I give a fuck about this random guy you brought in who "wrestles good."

Bullet Cult: Die in a fire!

Meltzer: You are poor!

Oh that’s something that hasn’t really been discussed here too. Fans actually pointing out how disorienting they find the product and being attacked for it.

[Evil Vito]

Feels obvious that the angle of Flair teasing he's gonna side with the Bucks will result in it being a ruse and he's really just trying to help Sting.

I think it'd be funny if Revolution comes and it turns out nobody's actually willing to accept Flair's help, because nobody trusts him due to his documented history of turning on people. Cue a 4-on-1 Flair beatdown with Sting shoving a bat up his ass and the Bucks giving him a Meltzer Driver through a table.

The promise of killing creepy ass Flair live on PPV should add another 0 to the end of the PPV price.

[Ben Rodrigues]

Oh that’s something that hasn’t really been discussed here too. Fans actually pointing out how disorienting they find the product and being attacked for it.

Just listened to a delightful clip on YouTube where Cornette explores this.

[weather vane]

Can’t wait for Revolution.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Revolution just an amazing PPV. High art.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Sammy Guevara has been suspended for not following concussion protocol. If there’s one thing you can say about AEW, it’s that the talent there certainly follows the rules.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Normally I would be against a 50 yr old man beating such a hot rising star like Daniel Garcia, but this was more about building Mama Wayne up to being a top heel in the company, so it makes perfect sense. If there’s one thing the WWE has failed to deliver in recent years, it’s storylines involving mothers. They’re almost always successful.

Boy was it such a fun idea to put a bunch of men slapping meat in a multi-man match. Another brilliant brainchild of Jericho’s probably. What a genius way to get a bunch of guys that haven’t been on TV much before, or in a while, and make them look on par with the new #Contender for the Real World’s Championship? Creates a bunch of main eventers almost instantly.

Orange Cassidy was such a good long-term champion for AEW, it was really cool to see him put over a young guy like Roderick Strong and really give him the rub. WWE fails to create new stars, so it was nice to see AEW use one of theirs to cement one in RODERICK! Thanks ORANGE! Lol.

The Women’s Title match shows how awesome the AEW Women’s Division is. Their women actually have personalities. WWE is going to curse the day they let Toni Storm unprofessionally quit.

What better way to honor the legacy of tag team wrestling in Greensboro than to have Jon Moxley & Claudio Castagnoli honor the Road Warriors and beat a hometown team to prove they belong in the tag team division. I just wish it had been a squash to feel like a real Road Warriors match!

I forgot about the Eddie Kingston/Bryan Danielson match! Not because it was forgettable. Who can forget it when two guys get in the ring and trade forearms willingly like total bad-asses? I love how Danielson doesn’t care he used to be a TV star and just loses all the time. Such a great story of AEW’s version of Tommy Dreamer actually getting the belts and beating all these legends. It’s inspirational.

I’ve seen people call Will Ospreay vs. Konosuke Takeshita the best match that’s ever happened. I think they’re wrong. I think it’s the best match that ever will happen! I love how Takeshita wanted to be hit in the face and then was actually hurt when it happened, because Will’s just that powerful. Who can get sick of these strike exchanges?

The World Title Match was a masterstroke of booking genius. One of the best finishes I’ve ever seen. Love how Adam Page hates Swerve so much he sabotages himself. You just don’t get this type of storytelling in wrestling anymore.

What a send off for Sting. A true legend who never got lazy and just kept having better and better matches. Nice to see an icon who isn’t in it for the money and truly cares about the business. The Young Bucks proved their doubters wrong and put together a blockbuster on par with The Avengers: Infinity War here. Love the legends but I’m glad they made way for the young talent, like The Bucks and The Sons of the Scorpion. Darby’s dive was awesome and made perfect sense because he hates the Bucks and he’s crazy — so of course you’d front flip off a ladder to a guy catching his breath in that general area. Only little bitches don’t use glass in their wrestling, but don’t try this at home kids! Lol!

[Ben Rodrigues]

Normally I would be against a 50 yr old man beating such a hot rising star like Daniel Garcia, but this was more about building Mama Wayne up to being a top heel in the company, so it makes perfect sense. If there’s one thing the WWE has failed to deliver in recent years, it’s storylines involving mothers. They’re almost always successful.

Boy was it such a fun idea to put a bunch of men slapping meat in a multi-man match. Another brilliant brainchild of Jericho’s probably. What a genius way to get a bunch of guys that haven’t been on TV much before, or in a while, and make them look on par with the new #Contender for the Real World’s Championship? Creates a bunch of main eventers almost instantly.

Orange Cassidy was such a good long-term champion for AEW, it was really cool to see him put over a young guy like Roderick Strong and really give him the rub. WWE fails to create new stars, so it was nice to see AEW use one of theirs to cement one in RODERICK! Thanks ORANGE! Lol.

The Women’s Title match shows how awesome the AEW Women’s Division is. Their women actually have personalities. WWE is going to curse the day they let Toni Storm unprofessionally quit.

What better way to honor the legacy of tag team wrestling in Greensboro than to have Jon Moxley & Claudio Castagnoli honor the Road Warriors and beat a hometown team to prove they belong in the tag team division. I just wish it had been a squash to feel like a real Road Warriors match!

I forgot about the Eddie Kingston/Bryan Danielson match! Not because it was forgettable. Who can forget it when two guys get in the ring and trade forearms willingly like total bad-asses? I love how Danielson doesn’t care he used to be a TV star and just loses all the time. Such a great story of AEW’s version of Tommy Dreamer actually getting the belts and beating all these legends. It’s inspirational.

I’ve seen people call Will Ospreay vs. Konosuke Takeshita the best match that’s ever happened. I think they’re wrong. I think it’s the best match that ever will happen! I love how Takeshita wanted to be hit in the face and then was actually hurt when it happened, because Will’s just that powerful. Who can get sick of these strike exchanges?

The World Title Match was a masterstroke of booking genius. One of the best finishes I’ve ever seen. Love how Adam Page hates Swerve so much he sabotages himself. You just don’t get this type of storytelling in wrestling anymore.

What a send off for Sting. A true legend who never got lazy and just kept having better and better matches. Nice to see an icon who isn’t in it for the money and truly cares about the business. The Young Bucks proved their doubters wrong and put together a blockbuster on par with The Avengers: Infinity War here. Love the legends but I’m glad they made way for the young talent, like The Bucks and The Sons of the Scorpion. Darby’s dive was awesome and made perfect sense because he hates the Bucks and he’s crazy — so of course you’d front flip off a ladder to a guy catching his breath in that general area. Only little bitches don’t use glass in their wrestling, but don’t try this at home kids! Lol!

:lol:

[The Fraze]

Saw Narc at Tb1's for Revolution this year. We talked being a dad and our weight loss journeys.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Saw Narc at Tb1's for Revolution this year. We talked being a dad and our weight loss journeys.

Good luck on your journey, man.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I saw the horrible Okada debut. My favorite thing has been the general consensus from people that “well, I guess I don’t have to care about this guy.”

[Ben Rodrigues]

I watched the Darby Allen promo about him possibly dying. What kind of promo is this? How am I meant to feel?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol geniuses.

I love how the EVPs can suspend and fire people now. Why did Tony Khan give them that power?

[The Fraze]

Good luck on your journey, man.

Narc's is the true journey. The Fraze is still fit but has lost weight due to dietary changes for other reasons.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Well, I hope it goes well, whatever it is. :y:

[Dalany]

Just listened to a delightful clip on YouTube where Cornette explores this.

I couldn't find it on YouTube. Can you tell me how to find it?
By the way, have you seen the heavy mug that Ronnie Coleman advertises? This is a cool thing that athletes will definitely like.

[Ben Rodrigues]

I couldn't find it on YouTube. Can you tell me how to find it?

https://youtu.be/bkLHHP1nEmc?si=e34EnWH3Z8Su_U7t

[Sting Fan]

Stings final match was great, plenty of holy shit and him winning made half (or the overly vocal 3.45%) the IWC look ridiculous with there pearl clutching the Bucks were gonna win.

The last time I saw so many incorrect predictions was around the Devil angle.

Outside of that lifes been to busy for wrestling and the sites always down :/

[The Fraze]

Well, I hope it goes well, whatever it is. :y:

For The Fraze, it was sarcasm.

[The Fraze]

What if Darby Allen actually dies on Mt. Everest?

[Mr. Nerfect]

What if Darby Allen actually dies on Mt. Everest?

I don’t want anyone to die — even if they are a scumbag — but I don’t think I can muster too much sympathy for someone who puts themselves in a situation like that.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Stings final match was great, plenty of holy shit and him winning made half (or the overly vocal 3.45%) the IWC look ridiculous with there pearl clutching the Bucks were gonna win.

The last time I saw so many incorrect predictions was around the Devil angle.

Outside of that lifes been to busy for wrestling and the sites always down :/

Most people (basically all) called Sting & Darby winning and the belts being held up in a tournament. Wtf are you talking about?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Pretty sure almost everyone called Adam Cole as the devil too.

[Mr. Nerfect]

By the way, Dynamite’s rating was in the toilet because the product sucks and they’re wildly out of touch.

[screech]

What if Darby Allen actually dies on Mt. Everest?

I thought about that during his promo. That would be fucking wild.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Bryan Alvarez did another rant where he suggested that the reason AEW’s attendance is down is because they don’t advertise enough. :lol:

It isn’t good. That’s the biggest problem.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Some more fun AEW tidbits:

* Kevin Kelly has been fired. He said some positive things about that shitty “Sound of Freedom” movie. Ian Riccaboni went on a Discord server and talked shit about Kevin Kelly. Ian admits to it and says he stands by the comments. Kelly blames Riccaboni for helping to sabotage his career. Dave Meltzer has aided the campaign against Kelly by throwing in the idea that it’s performance based and Kelly isn’t good anymore (it can’t be that the product sucks).

* Sasha Banks did an appearance ahead of her AEW debut. She said that she’s going to be back in WWE one day. :lol:

* Kazuchika Okada is reportedly earning $4.5 million per year.

[Mr. Nerfect]

* Santana has left AEW. He gave a classy goodbye, but you can tell he can’t wait to get out of that hole.

[XL]

What if Darby Allen actually dies on Mt. Everest?

I think it’s a win for AEW as it means he can’t inevitably kill/cripple himself on their product.

[XL]

I saw the horrible Okada debut. My favorite thing has been the general consensus from people that “well, I guess I don’t have to care about this guy.”

Watched it on YouTube. Awful segment altogether. The Bucks come across as kids playing adults. The Rainmaker doesn’t work as an “out of nowhere” move, Eddie looked like a fucking idiot staring at The Bucks as Okada tried to grab his arm. Turning Okada heel out of the gate had me wishing hard he’d debuted night after Mania or even as a surprise Nakamura opponent at Mania.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Watched it on YouTube. Awful segment altogether. The Bucks come across as kids playing adults. The Rainmaker doesn’t work as an “out of nowhere” move, Eddie looked like a fucking idiot staring at The Bucks as Okada tried to grab his arm. Turning Okada heel out of the gate had me wishing hard he’d debuted night after Mania or even as a surprise Nakamura opponent at Mania.

I watched it on YouTube too. Everything you’re saying here is spot on. They also had to block it out with Eddie taking the predictable position to be attacked very slowly by Okada. The face Okada made to try and play heel was pretty funny too. But I think that’s just the whole segment coloring it.

Good on the guy for getting paid and getting to phone it in, but it does nothing for us as wrestling fans.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I watched the clip of Okada’s in-ring debut. Fucking terrible, lol. He committed like every cardinal sin that you could accuse an indy geek of in one squash. I’ve enjoyed some samples of his work in the past, but this was just atrocious.

You can tell they feel smug about thinking it was a good showcase for him too.

[screech]

I don't really know who Okada is, so seeing people lose their minds over him (when he had already appeared on AEW TV) was weird. He just looks like a dude and his finisher did not look like "a big deal."

Dunno. I'm sure I'll enjoy his work but I don't really get him rn.

[screech]

Also, while their new gimmick is much more interesting, I still don't really give a shit about The Young Bucks. They're just a couple of goofballs. I can't take them seriously.

[Vastardikai]

Stings final match was great, plenty of holy shit and him winning made half (or the overly vocal 3.45%) the IWC look ridiculous with there pearl clutching the Bucks were gonna win.

The last time I saw so many incorrect predictions was around the Devil angle.

Outside of that lifes been to busy for wrestling and the sites always down :/

I have been in a hole lately. My favorite part of Sting's retirement was the retirement speech getting cut off for time. Because it is the perfect encapsulation of how little Sting's retirement was actually about Sting.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Sting’s retirement speech getting cut off was emblematic of most places Sting has chosen to work.

[The Fraze]

Discourse from the "IWC" is so infuriating every week.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It’s hilarious. The WWE side complains that Seth and Drew are somehow being buried and rubbish like that. AEW’s is filled with complete delusion.

[Mr. Nerfect]

As of 4 days ago, the Dynamite in Toronto headlined by Edge vs. Christian in an I Quit Match had moved about 4,000 tickets. Edge vs. Christian. I Quit. In Toronto.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I just had to hear what Bryan Alvarez said about Okada’s in-ring debut as a full-time AEW guy. I expected a bad take, but holy shit. He thought it was awesome and he and Vinny were talking (hyperbolically) about how it was the best match ever and they could watch Okada kill guys forever.

No, it sucked. He looked bored. Let guys hit him. Hit the laziest version of his finish. He wrestled like he thinks he’s an anime character, instead of it being an actual squash match.

[Destor]

I really enjoy Okada. I havent seen any of his AEW stuff. (Cause i dont watch wrestling unless someone asks me to.)

[Mr. Nerfect]

I’ve thought of Okada as one of the better New Japan workers when I’ve seen him in the past, but his AEW stuff has been awful. It’s making me wonder if Gedo and Yuji Nagata micromanage everything there to protect the guys from themselves.

[weather vane]

AEW is the friggin best ever.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Sasha’s AEW music is perfect for her. Gonna wear out it’s welcome instantly.

[Ben Rodrigues]

Rough Sasha Banks promo. Hard to watch.

Her theme is horrible. She's the Chief Executive Officer of what?

She was the best of the Horsewomen. Sad.

[Ben Rodrigues]

Disingenuous. Yes. That's what her promo was.

[screech]

lol she's never been a very good promo

[Mr. Nerfect]

WWE put a lot of curation into their women’s scene. Sasha was a big benefactor of that. When you think about her greatest matches, they usually involve someone who is actually a really good worker themselves. The exception might have been that main event with Bianca, given Bianca’s experience level, but that would have gotten top attention from agents.

I’d probably rank her fourth of the Horsewomen, although she was possibly the most “exciting” for a while because of the presentation they gave her.

Her promo wasn’t AWFUL. It was very generic, hit the usual beats, didn’t really get anyone hyped. I think her invoking Eddie Guerrero is a bit much at this point too. But it had no positive effect on the ratings. Sasha Banks was a star in context of the WWE. Mercedes Mone feels like the performer has hit hard times and is clinging to relevancy.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It’s funny seeing Dave Meltzer and Bryan Alvarez trying to spin this narrative that WWE is kicking themselves for not breaking bank for “Channel Changer” Will Ospreay.

[Mr. Nerfect]

AEW announced the brackets for their tag tournament. They only have six teams in it. The BCC, who beat FTR in their home state, aren’t even in the tournament.

LolAEW

[Mr. Nerfect]

Samoa Joe has now started to lose viewership for his segments too, despite being strong at one point. The Bucks & Okada lost about 100k people. Hope the money spent on making New Japan look stupid is worth it.

[Ben Rodrigues]

WWE put a lot of curation into their women’s scene. Sasha was a big benefactor of that. When you think about her greatest matches, they usually involve someone who is actually a really good worker themselves. The exception might have been that main event with Bianca, given Bianca’s experience level, but that would have gotten top attention from agents.

I’d probably rank her fourth of the Horsewomen, although she was possibly the most “exciting” for a while because of the presentation they gave her.

Her promo wasn’t AWFUL. It was very generic, hit the usual beats, didn’t really get anyone hyped. I think her invoking Eddie Guerrero is a bit much at this point too. But it had no positive effect on the ratings. Sasha Banks was a star in context of the WWE. Mercedes Mone feels like the performer has hit hard times and is clinging to relevancy.

Her work in NXT was fantastic and I had her ahead of the other three. They dropped the ball with her losing the three way at Wrestlemania and never really recovered. Followed by bad booking, short title reigns and injuries I'll admit the other three did eventually overtake her.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I enjoyed NXT too. But most of her time there was probably very carefully guided. She worked with Charlotte, Becky, Bayley and Nattie a lot of the time and pretty consistently.

[Ben Rodrigues]

Saw that Sasha Banks and Tony Khan appeared on television show promoting AEW. Didn't watch it, but Tony apparently stated that Sasha loves the wrestling business and the fans.

For me this was the main problem with her promo. The narrative is out there that she went to AEW for more money. There's also been times where she had fans stand six feet away from her at signings for photos ops. Her whole presentation just seems so contrived.

[Ben Rodrigues]

Okay. Watched a short clip of this on Twitter.

So a boss demands things. A CEO is on a mission to take AEW global. Lame.

Tony Khan says she loves the fans. She places her hand over her chest feigning sincerity. This is horrible.

She needs guidance. Such a waste.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The only reason you go to AEW now is for the money. Art goes there to die. No one gets any better or becomes any more of a star. You just get paid out the ass to not change your lifestyle at all.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Sasha’s bad attitude is going to blow up there at some point? And it’s going to be tremendous.

[Ben Rodrigues]

The only reason you go to AEW now is for the money. Art goes there to die. No one gets any better or becomes any more of a star. You just get paid out the ass to not change your lifestyle at all.

This seems quite apparent now.

Why are they giving away their big signings in matches on free TV? Okada beat Kingston for his belt - should this not have been PPV?

Actually Okada was the face of Japanese wrestling (as I understand it), why is he winning a mid card title? Sasha Banks appears to be in a feud for the mid card women's title. Edge won the mid card title. What is happening?

[Ben Rodrigues]

Sasha’s bad attitude is going to blow up there at some point? And it’s going to be tremendous.

I can see this happening and Tony Khan fearing for his life.

[Mr. Nerfect]

This seems quite apparent now.

Why are they giving away their big signings in matches on free TV? Okada beat Kingston for his belt - should this not have been PPV?

Actually Okada was the face of Japanese wrestling (as I understand it), why is he winning a mid card title? Sasha Banks appears to be in a feud for the mid card women's title. Edge won the mid card title. What is happening?

I think Tony is a mark and wants these wrestlers’ names on his titles’ lineages. But it’s absolutely horrible booking.

Okada and almost every New Japan guy that works there is being exposed, but how you miss the idea to put out video packages for the guy and bring him in as a babyface is baffling. And that AEW continuously misses the lowest hanging of fruit is so frustrating.

Adam Copeland was rendered unimportant from the start with his magic entrance that made no sense. That’s been proven despite what some assholes on here wanted to protest. I don’t know why they’ve got so many singles belts. Part of the reason is probably so all the talent he signs can be shoe-horned into something.

Sasha coming in and feuding with…Willow? Julia Hart and Skye Blue? Whatever they’re doing is hilarious. Sasha isn’t going to improve the women’s div. She’s there to make a mess with the mid-card. It’s also more arcane shit that people don’t know or care about. She debuted with references to a bunch of things that no one had seen. A debut is supposed to be the beginning.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I can see this happening and Tony Khan fearing for his life.

:lol:

Sasha may have fared better than Punk in the UFC. Tony better learn some shoot holds from <s>Gerry Brisco</s> Chris Jericho.

Or just hide behind Tay Conti when it happens.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I find Ospreay’s disposition of being a babyface in a heel faction (just like Swerve) amusing. Their World Champion isn’t a clear face or a heel. I think we need more people talking about the dark times they’ve been through recently and talking about how much they love and respect the person they’re feuding with.

[The Fraze]

Currently in a personal power struggle between how attracted I am to Sasha/Mercedes physically and how cringe she is.

[Destor]

Thats how i feel about AOC

[Mr. Nerfect]

Currently in a personal power struggle between how attracted I am to Sasha/Mercedes physically and how cringe she is.

I have faith you’ll be able to entertain both truths.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Thats how i feel about AOC

That’s how I feel about the AOP. :naughty:

[Sepholio]

Not gonna be the same without Noid. ILL MISS YOU HO

[Mr. Nerfect]

Is TPWW really coming to an end? If so, I feel it is important to stress just how disappointing AEW was. Noid was right.

[Sepholio]

I won't say you were right but you were definitely not wrong.

[Sepholio]

Also yes, today is supposedly the last day of TPWW as we know it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Well, it was a nice couple of decades or so. Take care and spread love where you can.

[The Fraze]

We're still here.

[Big Vic]

Currently in a personal power struggle between how attracted I am to Sasha/Mercedes physically and how cringe she is.

Oh damn what she doing?

[Destor]

The end of the world was greatly overstated

[Mr. Nerfect]

The asteroid burnt up and was no bigger than a chihuahua’s head.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Did anyone catch Dave Meltzer’s apologetics for The BCC being left out of the tag tournament? It doesn’t make *logical* sense, but it does make *booking* sense. And the business is apparently all about making money, so if FTR vs. BCC makes money (lol), then it’s all good.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Tony is back to having 4am social media meltdowns. Amazing. This time he aimed it at Eric Bischoff. He’s bragging about a media rights deal that hasn’t been confirmed yet, and may not even exist.

The ratings for this week’s Dynamite were deservedly low. <750k. It’s funny watching fanboys scratch their heads and wonder why the product is failing. It isn’t very good.

Okada has been exposed. Every time a NJPW guy comes in, they look like shit. I wonder if that’s because they’re trained by New Japan for New Japan and it’s a smoke and mirrors product? Okada’s making errors every time he’s out there. It was probably an Observer myth that he was good. Like Sabu being better than Bret Hart in 1994.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Tony keeps adding “stars.” This pushes his old “stars” out and forces his new toys to clash with fans of the old. And he keeps making loud noises to get attention but the output is shit. Do fans of Sasha Banks really want to go and watch her play the best value version of herself? The way Tony uses talent has to be offsetting to fans of those wrestlers. I used to love Daniel Bryan and Cesaro. Not so much Bryan Danielson and Claudio Castagnoli. And if you can’t be good with them, who can you actually be good with?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Wrestling would be better if AEW disappeared and the actual talent that is trapped there had to do other things. There’s at least a chance of them being optimized.

[Lock Jaw]

To be fair, I hear Daniel Bryan's misuse is mostly his own fault and how he doesn't want to be the focus and wants to just go "rassle" in "good matches".

Then again, I guess 66.666% of AEW's problems are probably attributed to the rasslers and their wants/ideas/desires and Tony Khan's inability to control his roster, say no, utilize them for what would be best for business and not just for what the rasslers themselves want to be used as.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah, that falls on him as a booker/promoter. I’ve also read Daniel Bryan say he does what Tony asks him to, and if Tony wanted to make him the World Champion he would. So I think a large part of the idea that Bryan controls his own stuff is fan speculation. I doubt he’s doing anything he doesn’t actively want to do either. It’s probably a little from column A and a little from column B.

It’ll be interesting to see what happens when Bryan’s deal is up. He signed for 3 years, but time might be added on for injuries and the like. But that should be up this year.

[Ben Rodrigues]

Did anyone catch Dave Meltzer’s apologetics for The BCC being left out of the tag tournament? It doesn’t make *logical* sense, but it does make *booking* sense. And the business is apparently all about making money, so if FTR vs. BCC makes money (lol), then it’s all good.

Yes. What a fool. I also enjoyed Cornette pulling it apart :lol:

[Ben Rodrigues]

I see the rankings are back! Why was Swerve and Takeashit for the #1 spot. Didn't Osprey just beat him? Was is Takeashit now unranked?

[Ben Rodrigues]

Why is Christian unranked? How does Tony Khan not know how to do rankings - he's a UFC fan. Just emulate that without the voting panel. Or have the voting panel. Have the wrestling media vote on the rankings.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Rankings in wrestling are always restricting. They just brought them back and they’re already a mess.

[Ben Rodrigues]

Oh yes. It's complete garbage. But if they are insisting on doing it, do it right. Or as right as it can be.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Oh yeah. They lose points for the concept and the execution.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Tony Khan tweeted out “AEW: Where the Best Wrestle”

A lot of the work in AEW is really dodgy. Promotion is supposed to be true to the extent that it works for you and doesn’t cross into false advertising and setting unrealistic expectations.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I deliberately sought out the Ospreay/Shibata match to see if the lack of New Japan magic was a continuing theme. Can someone explain to me what they find appealing about this style of wrestling.

To me it isn’t “hard” and doesn’t make the guys look “tough.” No one wants to be punched in the face. It gives away that it’s fake as shit when they welcome love taps with their forearms. There’s also way too much obvious cooperation. It’s like two guys playing wrestler.

I had to turn it off after they do-si-do’d into some kicks they weren’t selling.

How many times does this rubbish have to run off viewers before AEW realizes that most wrestling fans want a little more credibility in their action?

[Mr. Nerfect]

I know New Japan isn’t exactly doing gangbusters, but they can’t be happy with how shitty Japanese talent looks in AEW. Okada is en route to being a certified flop in the US. I’m sure part of the reason Nakamura was in NXT was to get used to the US and help his family settle in, but now I’m wondering if part of that was to re-wire some horrible habits.

It’s going to be hilarious if Shinsuke Nakamura ends up having this Hall of Fame career in WWE, while internet fans bitch about how lazy and misused he’s been, meanwhile Okada goes to the internet darling promotion that fetishizes puroresu and he turns out to be a giant goose egg.

At least the dude is getting paid.

I wouldn’t be surprised if WWE ends up poaching the New Japan deal from AEW. Conspiracy theory: the AEW “Continental Crown” may have already been broken up in part because of that.

[Lock Jaw]

Where The Big Boys Play™

[The Fraze]

check the adjective: play!

[Frank Drebin]

Thats how i feel about AOC

Big naturals

[Ben Rodrigues]

CM Punk. What a guy. :heart:

I was glued to my TV for 1 hour and 50 minutes. Bravo.

[Mr. Nerfect]

What a masterful performance. He was calm and composed, but he without saying much he completely demolished AEW, The Elite, Tony Khan, Dave Meltxer and even the dweebs who still hold any of them to any credibility.

Dave Meltzer finally responded. He didn’t right away. That would require knowledge. He claimed to have knowledge that Punk had no non-compete. Idiot. He also lost his footing on the glass incident. Bryan Alvarez tried to no-sell it. Anazing.

Punk showed how idiotic and disorganized they are. They prove it every week. Colt and Jack Perry are still MIA. The “friends” aren’t friendly to their own “friends.” TK is incompetent and still shrivels. Dave reports Punk’s account as ostensibly true, but quibbled with points that makes him and his buddies look like idiots.

And this was all subtle build-up to remind you Punk will be talking at WrestleMania 40.

AEW is cooked.

[screech]

I read some of what Punk said, maybe I ended up reading the whole thing across multiple posts - not sure. But I didn't really give a fuck about any of it.

I'm still going to watch AEW and enjoy it. Him spouting off - whether all of what he said is true or not - doesn't change my enjoyment of the show. I felt the same way when Ronda said her shit about WWE. I'm still going to watch and enjoy WWE, too.

(Plus if one person talking shit about backstage drama turns you off from an entire promotion's in-ring product, that says more about you than them, honestly.)

I started enjoying wrestling as a whole so much more when I stopped reading about backstage shit. I don't care about anything Meltzer says. I barely know who he is. I don't care who doesn't get along with whom. I don't care who talks shit about what behind the scenes.

Put on a good show and I'll keep watching.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Put on a good show and I'll keep watching.

This might explain why their ratings are so low.

[Destor]

I read what punk said.

"If i put a stop to it you wont like it." Punk

"I went to him and was super polite. I was calm." Also Punk.

Only one of these is true. Also there's been a suspicious lack of drama from the AEW lockerroom since punk left. I guess they just got better at covering it up. That must be it.

The product might be ass, i wouldnt know, but the idea that everyone else was the issue is a line punk has been selling for 25 years at this point.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I read some of what Punk said, maybe I ended up reading the whole thing across multiple posts - not sure. But I didn't really give a fuck about any of it.

I'm still going to watch AEW and enjoy it. Him spouting off - whether all of what he said is true or not - doesn't change my enjoyment of the show. I felt the same way when Ronda said her shit about WWE. I'm still going to watch and enjoy WWE, too.

(Plus if one person talking shit about backstage drama turns you off from an entire promotion's in-ring product, that says more about you than them, honestly.)

I started enjoying wrestling as a whole so much more when I stopped reading about backstage shit. I don't care about anything Meltzer says. I barely know who he is. I don't care who doesn't get along with whom. I don't care who talks shit about what behind the scenes.

Put on a good show and I'll keep watching.

There’s a whiff of elitism to this. People aren’t switching off the product just because of this (we don’t know that yet), but it explains a lot of people’s already existing frustrations. But even if they did, who are you to criticize them for being turned off by something just because they accept more information than you are willing to accept?

You’re not making an informed decision because you don’t know who Dave Meltzer is.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I read what punk said.

"If i put a stop to it you wont like it." Punk

"I went to him and was super polite. I was calm." Also Punk.

Only one of these is true. Also there's been a suspicious lack of drama from the AEW lockerroom since punk left. I guess they just got better at covering it up. That must be it.

The product might be ass, i wouldnt know, but the idea that everyone else was the issue is a line punk has been selling for 25 years at this point.

You know I love you, man. And I know you love debate. I’m just going to say it though: you have blinders up with CM Punk. I don’t know if he wronged you or buddies in any way, but if he was an asshole, he’s just met bigger assholes.

The specific point Punk was making in those situations you paraphrased was that he — as talent — was asked to take up for the inept boss who wouldn’t. In one specific case, he *jokes* about how he thought he was being responsible by not bloodying the guy up who challenged *him* to the fight. He just choked him a little bit. Safe. And he sucks at fighting. Alvarez and co have grabbed that as “he wants to hurt people” instead of him making light of a shitty situation that wasn’t handled by management.

I’m not a Punk mark. I think he’s talented but has never always been of the right mind for business. But if you listen to him, he’s obviously matured and was dealing with a clown show. And now HE is the one about the whole business.

You don’t have to like him, but he’s not wrong about anything. And, funnily enough, not even the dirt sheets that hate him are calling him a liar. They’re just left with turning a phrase and standing up for AEW.

And it’s objectively incorrect to say that AEW does not have political problems anymore. Jack Perry is whinging to the dirties about not being used, The Bucks whinged, FTR got buried, talent want out, releases have been made, TK is getting into X wars, people are off TV, guys are in Bulgaria and AEW doesn’t know they were hurt, people are MIA, Sammy Guevara got suspended, Matt Hardy is whining, the dirt sheets are complaining, attendance is down, ratings has become a story, Jericho is an idiot. The problems did not go away.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Yeah there's still quite a bit of AEW drama. It gets more light shed on it with Punk because he's a bigger star than the rest of them. But there's something new with those twits every week.

[Mr. Nerfect]

MJF tweeted something tying himself into the Rock/Cody stuff. By and large, people are dismissing it because…MJF is AEW apparently. But I wouldn’t be shocked if the dude’s deal actually expired and he signed with WWE.

I don’t get why a dude whose “I might leave” story (weird) went and passed without much on-air notice benefits his home company by breaking relative radio silence with something lending hype and attention to the WrestleMania main event.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I wanted to see what AEW would open with this week to play “guess the drop off” and see what TK thinks is his best foot forward. He got Edge to come out in a horrible segment and cut a rah-rah AEW speech and talk about how much he loves all professional wrestling, The Elite and Tony Khan. :lol:

[Mr. Nerfect]

I wanted to see what AEW would open with this week to play “guess the drop off” and see what TK thinks is his best foot forward. He got Edge to come out in a horrible segment and cut a rah-rah AEW speech and talk about how much he loves all professional wrestling, The Elite and Tony Khan. :lol:

[weather vane]

AEW best wrestling promotion ever.

[Tom Guycott]

Wow. I haven't been able to log into TPWW for like a month or so... what'd I miss? :shifty:


In all seriousness, I am aware of all the goings-on that, contrary to popular truth, started right before the Ariel Halwani interview dropped. Tony Khan tried to poke fun at Eric Bischoff publicly on teh Twitter machine about how he was a "shitty businessman". Then proceeded to roll consecutive natural 1's on just about any type of check that emerged about the state of his buisiness, his talent, the ill fated airing of security footage that only served to vindicate the guy they were trying to demonize and currently works across the street, etc., etc.

But, it's good to see that I could post this before everything goes off the rails again and leaves me unable to comment on any of it here in real time.

[Tom Guycott]

... I even forgot I changed my profile pic!

[Bad News Gertner]

Down to 683,000 viewers this week

[Lock Jaw]

RIP AEW

[weather vane]

AEW is the best.

[The Fraze]

Dynamite was so terrible but, um, I loved the ending. Tony Khan's selling was hilarious but really, I thought the angle was great.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Of course TPWW goes down right before AEW becomes hilariously bad. Showing the footage that proved Punk’s story? Amazing. Forced rah-rah promos with no context? Delicious. Tony Khan getting involved in angles and selling like that? Gravy. Now you’ve got Dave Meltzer lying extra hard about Punk being responsible for Colt Cabana’s “firing” (he never got fired). But, um, Dave:

Why has Colt Cabana only been used roughly once since CM Punk has been gone if it was CM Punk’s fault?

This promotion is imploding and beginning to cannibalize itself at an extraordinary rate. You can’t say it isn’t deserved.

[Mr. Nerfect]

AEW got 703k viewers this week. :lol:

Dave is doing his best to defend them. I don’t know if it’s fake, but Dave is claiming that if they did something this good years ago when they were cool, it would be hot. Dave’s said a lot of ridiculous things lately, but that might take the cake (if true).

AEW sucks, fans. Pure and simple. Years of bad television will erode your viewership. There are things that the remaining people do not want to see and AEW is jamming it down their throats. And the negative press, the shitty looking crowds and the attention drawn to their shitty ratings turns more and more people off.

[Mr. Nerfect]

They got something like 630k viewers if you factor in their 3rd hour of television (like they do for Raw).

[The Fraze]

AEW is embarrassingly bad, but I am interested in this angle with Tony Khan.

[Mr. Nerfect]

That’s your prerogative, man. Do you genuinely enjoy it, as in you think it is good? Or is it like an ironic and detached enjoyment?

I think my favorite thing about it is how little sense it makes. TK fired Punk for facelocking someone. Something worse happens several times a show every week. Now he’s getting beaten up and can’t fire the culprits because they’re EVPs? Jack Perry isn’t an EVP. It’s all hilariously pieced together.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Ethan Page has left AEW. I’m sure he won’t be the last. I haven’t seen much, but I’ve heard he’s got talent. I wouldn’t be shocked to hear WWE picked him up (he also seems to have some friends worth impressing), but if not, TNA with Josh Alexander and Matt Hardy there makes sense.

[Lock Jaw]

Putting the world title on Christian is the only way to save the company.

[Destor]

You cant save it. Even if they fixed all their issues and product had some hot angles the image is bad. Its a meme that its bad. Same thing happened with TNA. It was cool to shit on it so when they had some stuff worth tuning in for it didnt matter. Its was lolTNA till it was just an indy all over again. The damage was and is permanent.

[Lock Jaw]

But TNA still exists doesn't it? This is largely attributed to putting the world title on Christian for a lengthy run. Everyone knows.

[Destor]

It definitely still exists and is definitely also dead :lol:

[Mr. Nerfect]

I’d like to think if AEW got genuinely good, I’d give it another chance. There are problems in its very DNA though. Tony Khan clearly lacks the ability to discern between good ideas and bad. The company’s very taste in what makes good wrestling is whack. They think this stuff with the New Elite is something other than bad comedy.

[Mr. Nerfect]

People used to get grumpy when people made fun of TNA too. “Why do you want a wrestling promotion to fail? Shouldn’t you be rooting for more wrestling?” No. The last thing wrestling needs is more bad wrestling.

It wastes the time of fans and of the wrestlers. Anyone with genuine talent is going to get booked somewhere else. There’s also a larger chance of them being booked better there.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol, Dave Meltzer went off on Triple H for insulting people’s intelligence by thinking he can slip past another reason for Drew Gulak being benched other than the Ronda stuff. It looks like WWE’s investigation turned up some misconduct on Drew’s part in regards to hurting other talent, trying to reaggrivate their old injuries, spiking people on their heads — that sort of thing. Consider your intelligence well and truly insulted, Dave.

Seriously, the dude’s had a lot of trouble with correlation and causation recently. The Punk/Cabana stuff, the all or nothing stakes he’s put on the AEW TV deal. It’s a bit operatic.

[The Fraze]

These wrestling dirt sheet writers are so entitled and S-A-W-F-T it's insane.

[Mr. Nerfect]

People say Meltzer is getting paid. I’ve always tried to defend him at least on that front, but there’s no way he’s not taking something from that company. I know his ego is wrapped up in it being perceived as the proof as to whether or not Japanese booking from 1995 can work in the US and he has friends there — but the apologetics are now INSANE. He has to be aware of the mental gymnastics he’s doing. I’d HOPE he’s getting paid for it. But I imagine he gets “donations” from certain wrestlers that greases the wheels to keep the bad news about them to a minimum. Dave was very careful with how he talked about the Jericho scandal and was so quick to start harping on about Vince again as soon as he could.

And some of the stuff he helped his boys try and pull in AEW — the bullying, the railroading, the covering up — it’s actually rather mean. It’s quite disgusting when you think about it. Most people end up alright on the other side of it, because very few people take Dave seriously anymore, but it’s still wrong.

[Mr. Nerfect]

And just the fucking lying. He hasn’t even tried to hide it lately.

[Destor]

If aew was being booked like mid 90s AJPW Id actually watch it

[Mr. Nerfect]

If aew was being booked like mid 90s AJPW Id actually watch it

Oh, Meltzer’s got absolutely no idea of the context that made that period of time work. He thinks that’s what Tony Khan’s doing though. It’s actually just PWG.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I watched clips from the post-Dynasty Dynamite because I wanted to see the car wreck, honestly. Will Ospreay stopping himself from doing the Tiger Driver in melodramatic fashion mid-match is the funniest thing. The Casino Gauntlet is something right out of Russo TNA. Smart move booking Ospreay to go against a mid-card champion after beating Danielson too.

[Mr. Nerfect]

You’ll notice AEW drops another tier of popularity after every PPV they do. Those shows acts as tent poles that fans use to give the promotion another chance to wow them. Then AEW charges money to put on some more white noise.

It’s become apparent, with DAZN and Vix just dropping AEW for underperformance, that Meltzer and/or Tony Khan might just be flat-out lying about AEW’s performance on PPV holding up.

[The Fraze]

Will Britt Baker's leaks just drop already?

[drave]

www.onlyfans.com/DMDBaker

[Evil Vito]

I'm still enjoying AEW a lot more than I'm not. The ring work is very much my cup of tea most weeks so I'm getting my fix. Collision is more enjoyable than Dynamite to me quite frequently.

I don't like all of their decisions but largely tuning out twitter helps, people who don't like AEW act like every bad decision is the worst thing since Hitler and at the same time the really big AEW fans act like valid criticism is a personal affront. It's just too much at this point.

I just enjoy my graps. If I stop enjoying it I stop watching. The rest is just noise.