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[Emperor Smeat]

No she's a lot less of a zombie and more like someone who is deranged in the head and thinks she's some sort of undead being.

Sort of like Aleister Black's previous persona of him being heavily implied to be a Satanist or occultist despite him not actually acting as one for his character. She's probably closer to Bray Wyatt's "Wyatt Family" cult leader persona in terms of twistedness and spookiness but minus the supernatural powers bit.

WWE portrayed the zombies at Mania Backlash as being actual zombies and had them acting in a stereotypical manner like the ECW Zombie back in the day. Jericho's comments were also in response to PWI claiming several within WWE said AEW's version of War Games "set the industry back 30 years."

[Fignuts]

Honestly, she just comes off as a K-mart Rosemary to me.

[Emperor Smeat]

Yeah she's also closer to Rosemary in terms of her gimmick, especially if you took away all the supernatural stuff Rosemary has done in Impact in recent years.

The closest zombie-related thing she's done in AEW is bite people a couple of times. If that counts as being a zombie then NJPW's Yujiro Takahashi counts as one since he's always chomping on people's fingers during his matches.

[erickman]

i would like to know abadons story that's the bad thing about aew not having writers.

[xrodmuc316]

lol come on xrod

Thats like comparing the undertaker to the lumberjack zombies.

LOL it's a fair point, in fact maybe had Jericho also thought of that maybe he wouldn't have been so offended!

[Fignuts]

i would like to know abadons story that's the bad thing about aew not having writers.

Her story is she wears zombie make up to hide her butter face.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In compliance with current local government guidelines and due to popular demand, ADDITIONAL live event tickets have been just released for the Wednesday, July 7, 2021 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> at the James L. Knight Center in Miami, Floida<br>Order tickets now - ��️ <a href="https://t.co/YlzWhbt3jo">https://t.co/YlzWhbt3jo</a> <a href="https://t.co/JdlrijQeMh">pic.twitter.com/JdlrijQeMh</a></p>&mdash; All Elite Wrestling (@AEW) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEW/status/1397645012230344705?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 26, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[erickman]

so aew will be on fri instead of tonight damn basket ball. i hope they play ads on smackdown, do it like the ads they did on impact. me and smeat will be watching alot of wrestling fri.

[xrodmuc316]

so aew will be on fri instead of tonight damn basket ball. i hope they play ads on smackdown, do it like the ads they did on impact. me and smeat will be watching alot of wrestling fri.

I don't know why, but the NBA is the one I didn't go back to after the Covid shutdown. I could do without it bumping wrestling that's for sure.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Cody says his contentious American Dream promo was workshopped and focus group-tested <a href="https://t.co/2FIXkB4dbF">https://t.co/2FIXkB4dbF</a> <a href="https://t.co/1Turm9B23t">pic.twitter.com/1Turm9B23t</a></p>&mdash; Cageside Seats (@cagesideseats) <a href="https://twitter.com/cagesideseats/status/1397730576451477504?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 27, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[xrodmuc316]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Cody says his contentious American Dream promo was workshopped and focus group-tested <a href="https://t.co/2FIXkB4dbF">https://t.co/2FIXkB4dbF</a> <a href="https://t.co/1Turm9B23t">pic.twitter.com/1Turm9B23t</a></p>&mdash; Cageside Seats (@cagesideseats) <a href="https://twitter.com/cagesideseats/status/1397730576451477504?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 27, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That's seems a real weird thing to reveal.

[Fignuts]

Jesus christ.

Imagine telling Harley Race you needed to focus test his promo before approving it to air. What the fuck.

[Emperor Smeat]

Cody's stuff in AEW has suffered way too much from sticking out like a sore thumb based how often it ends up being over booked or over thought for storylines and feuds.

Like if the goal is to make him into the modern day version of his dad with the American Dream persona, then its been going in the wrong direction as of late. Right now his version of the American Dream persona feels a lot more like an outdated version of Hulk Hogan's pro-USA and overly patriotic part of his gimmick and way less like his father's hero of the "common man" persona.

[screech]

It's really weird that he would come out and say that. Like, what's the benefit of peeling back the curtain in this case?

[Emperor Smeat]

I'd assume he probably thought that was going to deflect a lot of the blame and online backlash he's been getting ever since delivering that stinker of a promo.

Doesn't help that most of the stuff he boasted about himself to trash Ogogo would actually fit in with Ogogo himself. Like him taking pride in having a mixed race baby when Ogogo himself comes from a mixed race ethnic family.

[drave]

Cody's stuff in AEW has suffered way too much from being Cody Rhodes.

[Jordan]

The only bad thing Cody has done on screen was that Dream promo. He's still one of the best. I don't understand you ungrateful fucks. Cody would whoop your ass and have a baby in the morning.

[drave]

I just don't find him entertaining. Settle down fella.

[Evil Vito]

I like Cody enough but his booking has gotten increasingly self-absorbed over the past year.

Which is kinda funny seeing as on one of the first Dynamite storylines was Cody attempting to distance himself from those optics by booking the "this is my one and only chance at the AEW World Title" stip.

[erickman]

I like Cody enough but his booking has gotten increasingly self-absorbed over the past year.

Which is kinda funny seeing as on one of the first Dynamite storylines was Cody attempting to distance himself from those optics by booking the "this is my one and only chance at the AEW World Title" stip.

that's the bad thing about aew there is no booking. they hires a bunch of people that can book, but they let tony mark do it all

[xrodmuc316]

that's the bad thing about aew there is no booking. they hires a bunch of people that can book, but they let tony mark do it all

And nobody will tell him the truth because they don't want to lose their seat on the gravy train. Meltzer legit "awarded" Tony as the best Booker in wrestling for continued backstage access and a payroll check.

[Bad News Gertner]

3 star CAWdy is a giant bore. Turning himself into HHH.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Hahaha. Holy shit. AEW is such a fucking joke.

[Bad News Gertner]

The only persona of his I liked was Dashing Cody Rhodes

[Mr. Nerfect]

They reveal stupid shit all the time. QT Marshall about how he doesn’t know how to format shows. TK does his stupid scrums. The Bucks talked about how Shawn Spears’ chair was gimmicked. Cody flat-out saying that Shaq was supposed to have a publicity stunt match with him and Brandi. Every Jericho tweet.

This promotion just sucks.

[xrodmuc316]

So real question. They have bragged forever that they don't have scripted promos.

But then what would you call a practiced/workshopped/focus group tested promo?

Seems even more offensive than WWE making wrestlers remember a few lines no?

[Mr. Nerfect]

So real question. They have bragged forever that they don't have scripted promos.

But then what would you call a practiced/workshopped/focus group tested promo?

Seems even more offensive than WWE making wrestlers remember a few lines no?

They also bragged about having storylines for years, only for QT Marshall to come out and admit it is pieces together via text message day of.

They also bragged about treating wrestlers like real human beings and teased offering them health care.

They also teased a giant debut and gave the world Christian Cage.

They also said TBS was their home, then got booted off it like the next week.

And so on...

[screech]

Dashing Cody Rhodes was tremendous. Loved those vignettes

[Lock Jaw]

I quite enjoyed Disfigured Cody Rhodes as well.... that one year I remember thinking he had the WM match of the night against Rey Mysterio

[xrodmuc316]

I quite enjoyed Disfigured Cody Rhodes as well.... that one year I remember thinking he had the WM match of the night against Rey Mysterio

Yeah I agree, in fact I thought Disfigured Cody was even better than Dashing Cody.

[Volare]

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[Evil Vito]

Oh to switch spots with that bike seat for a day.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I thought I liked her. Didn’t know why. Now I do. <a href="https://t.co/WJvKiaXndf">https://t.co/WJvKiaXndf</a></p>&mdash; Eric Bischoff (@EBischoff) <a href="https://twitter.com/EBischoff/status/1398385888556732420?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 28, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Mr. Nerfect]

Eric, your days of wife swapping are over.

[screech]

Got into the beta for the Elite GM game. It's EWR with graphics. There's a bunch I'm not keen on, but so far a decent sim. (Also only played for like 30 minutes.)

[xrodmuc316]

https://149566639.v2.pressablecdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/aew-buddies-don-fan-fest-toys.jpg

Even their Wrestling Buddies are smaller than normal :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Those are pretty cool.

[erickman]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I thought I liked her. Didn’t know why. Now I do. <a href="https://t.co/WJvKiaXndf">https://t.co/WJvKiaXndf</a></p>&mdash; Eric Bischoff (@EBischoff) <a href="https://twitter.com/EBischoff/status/1398385888556732420?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 28, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

when was that taking must have been her dollhouse days, she gained alot of pounds since then. i would love if she got back to that body.

[rez]

Those are pretty cool.

Who had Sting, Hogan, and Savage ones?

[#1-norm-fan]

Stardust may have been a terrible idea but Cody performed the hell out of it. I remember seeing a video of him crashing a Comic Con in character and he was pretty brilliant.

[Mr. Nerfect]

He was fine. Some of the things he did were needlessly hammy and didn’t really add substance to anything, but he definitely threw himself into it.

I liked Un-Dashing Cody Rhodes, but the more I reflect on it the more I realize Cody didn’t really have it. Even his best work in AEW relied on his brother and Chris Jericho to bring the emotional energy to it. Everything else since has kind of sucked.

His best role in WWE was probably in the tag team with Goldust in 2013. I have no clue why they had them drop the belts to the New Age Outlaws instead of going into a program with The Wyatt Family, The Usos or even The Real Americans at the time.

[Jordan]

https://149566639.v2.pressablecdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/aew-buddies-don-fan-fest-toys.jpg

Even their Wrestling Buddies are smaller than normal :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

No, the stars of AEW are larger than life so that's why the buddies appear smaller to you.

[Fignuts]

He was fine. Some of the things he did were needlessly hammy and didn’t really add substance to anything, but he definitely threw himself into it.

I liked Un-Dashing Cody Rhodes, but the more I reflect on it the more I realize Cody didn’t really have it. Even his best work in AEW relied on his brother and Chris Jericho to bring the emotional energy to it. Everything else since has kind of sucked.

His best role in WWE was probably in the tag team with Goldust in 2013. I have no clue why they had them drop the belts to the New Age Outlaws instead of going into a program with The Wyatt Family, The Usos or even The Real Americans at the time.

I really liked his work in NJPW. Bringing a classic western style heel added more depth to an already varied roster. I think his AEW stuff has been mostly good, but I'm hoping for a heel turn, as that's where he really shines.

[xrodmuc316]

No, the stars of AEW are larger than life so that's why the buddies appear smaller to you.

LOL Fair Point :rofl:

[Mr. Nerfect]

I really liked his work in NJPW. Bringing a classic western style heel added more depth to an already varied roster. I think his AEW stuff has been mostly good, but I'm hoping for a heel turn, as that's where he really shines.

That’s a fair shout. What I saw from him in New Japan wasn’t bad, but it just didn’t “pop” to me.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Walking into the gym,<br><br>Old man on a bike: Man you look like one of them old wrestlers like Flyin Brian!<br><br>Me: Yeah that’s my dad!<br><br>Old man: Na man I know you just bullshitting me, you do look like him though.<br><br>Me: Alright man have a nice day!<br><br>Lol I love this town ������</p>&mdash; Brian Pillman Jr. (@FlyinBrianJr) <a href="https://twitter.com/FlyinBrianJr/status/1398691734884913157?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 29, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Excalibur unmasked<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DoubleOrNothing?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#DoubleOrNothing</a> <a href="https://t.co/vfnCZwzlRF">pic.twitter.com/vfnCZwzlRF</a></p>&mdash; NO FILTER (@pipebombzz) <a href="https://twitter.com/pipebombzz/status/1399066106644549637?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 30, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">JUST IN! This September, we RETURN to the city that helped launch <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEW</a>! We're coming Chicago…<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ALLOUT?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ALLOUT</a> 9/5 <a href="https://t.co/MkLqVcWdhJ">pic.twitter.com/MkLqVcWdhJ</a></p>&mdash; All Elite Wrestling (@AEW) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEW/status/1399182936797220868?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 31, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">St. Louis - Saturday, November 6, 2021 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWFullGear?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWFullGear</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/ChaifetzArena?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ChaifetzArena</a> <a href="https://t.co/RF7SEXrqDl">pic.twitter.com/RF7SEXrqDl</a></p>&mdash; All Elite Wrestling (@AEW) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEW/status/1399210251778506753?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 31, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[rez]

I saw that tonight their next ppv is in September? That's dumb not to have a July show...

[rez]

I imagine they'll at least do a Beach Bash Dynamite.

[Mr. Nerfect]

510k is the number being reported for the latest AEW viewership. Meltzer is still sucking their dick. The mental gymnastics run deep.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Turns out 510k was too big. Closer to 501k.

[slik]

That's probably a good indicator of what Rampage will do in that same Friday timeslot, about 400-500k on average.

[Mr. Nerfect]

If that. Rampage is probably going to take a hit as the secondary show. Either that or they can go all hands in on it and hurt Dynamite.

[Mr. Nerfect]

And that isn’t for some time now. Numbers will likely drop between now and then.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">What's the deal with &quot;Sports Entertainment&quot; <a href="https://t.co/fDOdgzM3za">https://t.co/fDOdgzM3za</a> <a href="https://t.co/XbQKzIqaF2">pic.twitter.com/XbQKzIqaF2</a></p>&mdash; Dick Van Klondike (@DickVanKlondike) <a href="https://twitter.com/DickVanKlondike/status/1399232184641372162?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 31, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">For those of you wondering....Yes me and Mark Henry had a long in depth conversation last night. Looking forward to the future.</p>&mdash; Lio Rush (@TheLionelGreen) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheLionelGreen/status/1399470129839177729?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 31, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[screech]

Because I tweeted about AEW a few times, I now see "suggested tweets" related to it. Most of it's shit I don't care about and scroll right by.

But there's an account that posts "why is every episode of Dynamite the best episode of Dynamite" every week. I want to believe they're taking the piss, but rasslin Twitter is full of people who can't criticize one company or the other. It's really weird.

[slik]

That's Andy Nemmity. He and his wife, Amy Nemmity, go to every AEW PPV. They are really nice on twitter and joke around a lot. They run the website WrestleJoy.

They are huge marks tho too, as you can see from Amy wearing her AEW shirt to get vaccinated.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">FULLY VACCINATED!!!!! ������<br><br>Seems fitting to wear my AEW shirt while getting vaccinated before Double Or Nothing! I'm SO excited! <br><br>But even more, I'm excited to do my part to protect myself, my family, and my community against COVID-19! LFG! Science RULES! �� <a href="https://t.co/SqKEqp26FS">pic.twitter.com/SqKEqp26FS</a></p>&mdash; ��Phoenix�� (@AmyNemmity) <a href="https://twitter.com/AmyNemmity/status/1390728974863503361?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 7, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[weather vane]

Good for them for enjoying something together.

[screech]

I think I follow her or she follows me or something. Have definitely seen her before. Never made the connection though. Good for them :y:

[Bad News Gertner]

Probably got injected with Meltzer Sheep Juice

[screech]

Those damn sheep,,,,,,

[Jordan]

MARK FUCKING HENRY

[Lock Jaw]

Man Hands

[Evil Vito]

My ex watched last year's Revolution with me (little did we know the world would shut down like 2 weeks later). She'd never watch wrestling full time but as a one off show she got a kick out of it.

Dating someone who tolerates wrestling is one thing but idk how I'd fare with a superfan. I saw a girl on a dating app where all her pics were wrestling related (wearing wrestling shirts, her with a replica belt, cosplaying as Bayley etc). I mean hey good for them doing what they like....but the idea of having to sit through Raw every week on date nights feels bleak.

[Evil Vito]

Awesome Kong and Shanna's contracts have expired. Kong hasn't been around since before the pandemic but I was wondering if she'd turn up as a surprise entrant in the women's battle royal at All Out, her first AEW run ended with that awful Nightmare Collective angle.

[Volare]

More bummed about Shanna.

[Fignuts]

Yeah Kong is pretty immobile these days but Shanna seemed better than most of the other girls on the roster.

[Evil Vito]

Shanna was supposedly a bit of a shithead to the extras they were bringing in to wrestle her on Dark. Toss in that she already had some heat on her last year for making Islamophobic posts on social media and I’m not too surprised she wasn’t renewed.

[Bad News Gertner]

That's probably a good indicator of what Rampage will do in that same Friday timeslot, about 400-500k on average.

Wow 500,000 R.I.P

[Lock Jaw]

Oh, Rampage is a new show..... seen a few posts about AEW and "the Rampage deal" and assumed that AEW had signed former TNA Superstar Rampage Jackson

[Mr. Nerfect]

I wonder what the excuses will be this week for Dynamite? Obviously they’ve got the NBA and dead time slot (which they earned for themselves). But I actually heard people using Covid being over as an excuse for poor ratings the other week. Covid was used as the reason the ratings were low by the same people. And for some reason this never applies to the WWE.

[Jordan]

It's Friday at 10pm, nobody is expecting Wednesday night numbers.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It's Friday at 10pm, nobody is expecting Wednesday night numbers.

Nobody was expecting 500k either.

[slik]

I expected 400 - 500k last week

[Mr. Nerfect]

I expected 400 - 500k last week

You’re one of the few, if you’re telling the truth. Most guesses I saw put them in the 600-700k range.

[xrodmuc316]

LOL HOLY SHIT!!! They gave freaking Andrade creative control and veto power over the match finishes!

That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard of from AEW.

Let me say that again... AEW gave ANDRADE creative control and veto power in his contract. Andrade.

Andrade gets to call his own shots. :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[xrodmuc316]

https://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/2021/06/exclusive-news-on-when-andrade-first-met-with-tony-khan/

[Volare]

"There was a compromise made..." Damn bro calm down on the "facts". I got some ocean front property in Arizona if you're interested.

[Fignuts]

Wanting to work for other companies while at the same time wanting any degree of creative control is having your cake and eating it too. AEW should have told him to fuck off.

[erickman]

well he is not going to get the belt any time soon, he might get the AAA belt from kenny. an let him diva out in AAA, an beat jobbers in aew an control that.

[Mr. Nerfect]

This thing looks more and more like WCW all the time. The inmates running the asylum. Creative control all over the place. Let’s be real — if Andrade didn’t put that into his deal, he’d still have been allowed to do whatever.

Only, unlike with WCW, there are no executives to fire the “Eric Bischoff” in this situation. This is like if Eric Bischoff’s daddy owned WCW. Only this one was never cool.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I’m still holding out hope beyond hope that someone else throws their hat into the wrestling game. There is enough free agent talent out there. A working agreement with New Japan is possible if you just present yourself within the realm of sports. There are even “stars” that are technically free agents right now. Brock Lesnar, Bryan Danielson, CM Punk and Samoa Joe come to mind. It’s very possible to put together one super-compelling show every week that would smoke anything out there.

[Lock Jaw]

Can you please fantasy book 1 month of said show in ARMCHAIR WARFARE style?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Can you please fantasy book 1 month of said show in ARMCHAIR WARFARE style?

I’ll think about it. Honestly, wrestling has left me so fatigued lately. It’s just no fun engaging with it. The more interesting stories are in the backstage antics.

The closest thing I’ve come to fantasy booking lately are ways to make WWE...interesting again. And that’s hard, but honestly easier to do given the higher quality of the talent there.

SummerSlam could actually be a pretty amazing show. I think I randomly put together a card like this:


* Bobby Lashley vs. Brock Lesnar for the WWE Title
* Roman Reigns vs. John Cena for the Universal Title
* Edge vs. Seth Rollins
* Rhea Ripley vs. Charlotte Flair vs. Becky Lynch for the Raw Women’s Title
* Drew McIntyre vs. AJ Styles
* Bianca Belair vs. Sasha Banks in a Ladder Match for the SmackDown Women’s Title
* Sheamus vs. Keith Lee for the US Title
* Randy Orton & Matt Riddle vs. Damian Priest & Bad Bunny for the Raw Tag Titles
* Apollo Crews vs. Cesaro for the IC Title
* The Usos vs. Kevin Owens & Sami Zayn for the SmackDown Tag Titles
* Parker Bourdreaux vs. Rey Mysterio
* The New Day vs. John Morrison & Jinder Mahal
* Daniel Bryan vs. Drew Gulak
* Baron Corbin, Dirty Dawgz & Alpha Academy vs. Shinsuke Nakamura, Big E, Rick Boogs & The Street Profits

A multi-man tag to throw a bunch of SmackDown faces and heels on the card. Could be a fun and hectic little match, especially with Gable and Nakamura in there. A win for the faces here wouldn’t go astray.

If Daniel Bryan re-signs, just put him on Raw and let him fucking wrestle. That’s a reason to watch right there. Gulak seems like a simple and obvious program for him. The two could tear it up. I’d probably make this the opener, I’m just too lazy to change it around here. This would be a kick-ass start to the show.

I don’t like Jinder Mahal, but maybe in a light-hearted heel tag team with Morrison he could work. This is obviously so the show gets exposure in India, because the WWE ticks boxes like that, even if I disagree with that level of tokenism. But this would be short, sweet, and see the heels go over when Big E heads out there to counteract Miz and ends up accidentally costing his team the win. #LongTermStorytelling

Parker Bourdreaux debuts with Eva Marie and remains a free agent. Paul Heyman is very interested in the route PB follows on-air. On the SmackDown side of things, he takes out Dominik Mysterio viciously to appeal to Roman Reigns & Heyman and to soften Rey up for The Usos. This leads to PB vs. Rey one-on-one at SummerSlam. If this isn’t fun, then maybe Parker doesn’t have that bright a future in the industry anyway.

Sami Zayn turns quasi-face to team with Owens against The Usos. We’ve never seen these two as a proper tag team in WWE. Not really. I think they’d make a great “star” team for the division to go against The Usos. Doesn’t really matter who wins here, as I could see the belts moving around quite a little bit.

The IC Title seems like a step down for Cesaro at this point, but it’d be a fun little match and a way to get him on the card. He could swing Azeez during this. I’d probably switch the belt for a little while here. Crews can move up or stay in the IC scene, it’s really up to you.

Orton & Riddle can win the Raw Tag Titles and have a little run. I’ve got them going against Priest & Bad Bunny...well, just because. Seems likely BB would be involved in SummerSlam. Going against Orton & Riddle doesn’t seem out of this world. This is where you can do a turn. I’d probably have Riddle turn on Orton though, and he can put together a WWE version of Catch Point with Drew Gulak, Timothy Thatcher and Oney Lorcan.

Keith Lee and Sheamus beat the piss out of each other for a few minutes and Lee wins the US Title.

Bianca Belair retains the SD Women’s Title in a Ladder Match that tries to tap into the spiritual link between other Ladder Matches at SummerSlam and grabbing the brass ring, yadda, yadda.

Drew McIntyre and AJ Styles could have a great wrestling match. Everything would point to Drew going over, but I’d actually put AJ over in a bit of a shocker in order to position him for a match against the WWE Champion.

I really don’t care who wins the Raw Women’s Title. It might seem sensible to put it onto Becky, but I think I’d probably have her not win the belt here, but either Rhea or Charlotte each the pin. Then Becky is frustrated about not eating the fall and Seth basically tells her to shut up because his match is more important. Boo, hiss. That old trick, lol.

Edge and Seth feud because Seth is basically the spiritual successor to Edge, and Edge tries to teach him that there are more important things. Maybe even slip in a line about becoming a father changing Edge, but it hasn’t changed Seth in the slightest. Seth as MITB holder would work here. The briefcase could even be on the line. I’d have Becky help Edge win here to put Seth in his place.

John Cena is probably not winning the belt if he comes back. Another win for Roman Reigns feeds that monster. Maybe Roman can go a step further after the match, allowing some babyfaces, maybe even the Usos to foil him. This could be a fun time for Edge to tease cashing in too.

Bobby has finally reached a point where wrestling Brock is interesting. I’d bring Brock back as a silent killer for this, with Heyman being asked about Brock’s motives but not really having a clue beyond Brock wanting to be WWE Champion. He can also give F5s to Drew and AJ since they seem like top candidates for next contenders. I don’t know if I would put the belt on Brock here, and it depends on his deal, but man — if you could get Brock for more dates... I’d still probably delay the moment of Brock winning the belt. But it could be interesting for Brock to win it, MVP to do something drastic to get a rematch, either at the next PPV or even on Raw, and Bobby to win it back there. I kind of like the idea of a Heyman-less Brock being less concerned about “protecting” himself, and even taking matches on Raw because he doesn’t have Paul there to remind him he doesn’t fight for free. Allows you to dial back on Brock later by simply having Heyman manage him again.



Don’t tell me that card wouldn’t shit all over anything AEW has put on...ever, really.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The real numbers for Revolution and Double or Nothing came out and Meltzer got “busted” for inflating them. “Busted” is in quotation marks, because it really depends on whether you think Meltzer is being dishonest on purpose, if he’s being misled, or his maths is just “optimistic.” His inflation rate is about 16%, so it’s up to you whether you feel that “reporting” should come under fire or not.

Personally, I think Meltzer’s coverage of AEW has been horrible. He’s deliberately confusing. I see people talking about 132k like it’s the US buyrate, not realizing that not only was it closer to 115k, but that is inclusive of international buys. There’s a reason he’s never clear on that. 132k sounds way more impressive than 75k North American buys. And then you can’t say they did better than any promotion since WCW, since ECW used to smash that on the reg.

I know he’s been nice to hb2k and all that, but as a wrestling reporter, he’s really lost it. More often than not I see a report about WWE from him and know the truth is probably in the opposite direction. His insight into “AEW vs. NXT” was fanboyish and juvenile, and his flat-out bias towards AEW has led to omissions and glaringly false or inaccurate reporting that is clear bullshit to anyone who applies a few seconds of critical thought.

I don’t even think Dave is taking a pay check for this. I don’t think he needs one. I’m not sure if it’s just to coddle subscribers and the markish anti-WWE/pro-AEW sentiment, or whether he’s just being misled all the time and his WWE sources have dried up, but I think he’s just...lost it. He’s a fan/commentator who likes what he likes, and what he likes isn’t very good.

[xrodmuc316]

The real numbers for Revolution and Double or Nothing came out and Meltzer got “busted” for inflating them. “Busted” is in quotation marks, because it really depends on whether you think Meltzer is being dishonest on purpose, if he’s being misled, or his maths is just “optimistic.” His inflation rate is about 16%, so it’s up to you whether you feel that “reporting” should come under fire or not.

Personally, I think Meltzer’s coverage of AEW has been horrible. He’s deliberately confusing. I see people talking about 132k like it’s the US buyrate, not realizing that not only was it closer to 115k, but that is inclusive of international buys. There’s a reason he’s never clear on that. 132k sounds way more impressive than 75k North American buys. And then you can’t say they did better than any promotion since WCW, since ECW used to smash that on the reg.

I know he’s been nice to hb2k and all that, but as a wrestling reporter, he’s really lost it. More often than not I see a report about WWE from him and know the truth is probably in the opposite direction. His insight into “AEW vs. NXT” was fanboyish and juvenile, and his flat-out bias towards AEW has led to omissions and glaringly false or inaccurate reporting that is clear bullshit to anyone who applies a few seconds of critical thought.

I don’t even think Dave is taking a pay check for this. I don’t think he needs one. I’m not sure if it’s just to coddle subscribers and the markish anti-WWE/pro-AEW sentiment, or whether he’s just being misled all the time and his WWE sources have dried up, but I think he’s just...lost it. He’s a fan/commentator who likes what he likes, and what he likes isn’t very good.

He did that with their last PPV, then had to completely backtrack.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Brandon Thurston and WrestleNomics are the ones sharing the Meltzer melting numbers, for those curious. I don’t think they’re trying to bury Dave, but I don’t how you can see Meltzer being so high on both Double or Nothing and Revolution and still give the guy any benefit of the doubt when it comes to his “data” or assumptions based off it.

[Lock Jaw]

Good Noid post :y:

(The Summerslam card)

[Jordan]

How would you suggest or like to see AEW book Mark Henry and Paul Wight if/when they do an in ring program?

I think for Wight the key program would be MJF. It would be a good story for MJF once the Inner Circle story is finished. I could see some fun back and forth in promos and angles, wight could face off against the other Pinnacle members on his way to MJF. Maybe even have Wardlow go over with MJF causing some kind of screwjob for Wardlow which would culminate in a big one on one at a ppv with Wight and MJF.

With Mark Henry, he tends to work great as a heel so I'd probably want to see him start something with Jurassic Express, or perhaps a version of David vs Goliath with Darby. Similar to Nash vs the X Division. Also a big battle with Miro would interest me, same with Archer. Perhaps I'm a little more intrigued by Henry than Wight when it comes to in ring. Probably because a heel version of either guy is better for booking, and Henry is more likely to play heel.

[Jordan]

Also just want to say that I really want to see Christian get a match against Kenny at some point. Hopefully this summer. Maybe after Kenny goes over Jungle Boy by the skin of his teeth.

[screech]

I want both of them to [separately] launch Marko Stunt into the 15th row

[slik]

Brandon Cutler should be repackaged as Christian's heel manager

[Lock Jaw]

Christian doesn't need a manager. He should be his own heel manager.

[slik]

But if Cutler was his heel manager he could wear a similar cape to the ring that Cutler does...it's all about the capes, bro

[xrodmuc316]

How would you suggest or like to see AEW book Mark Henry and Paul Wight if/when they do an in ring program?

I think for Wight the key program would be MJF. It would be a good story for MJF once the Inner Circle story is finished. I could see some fun back and forth in promos and angles, wight could face off against the other Pinnacle members on his way to MJF. Maybe even have Wardlow go over with MJF causing some kind of screwjob for Wardlow which would culminate in a big one on one at a ppv with Wight and MJF.

With Mark Henry, he tends to work great as a heel so I'd probably want to see him start something with Jurassic Express, or perhaps a version of David vs Goliath with Darby. Similar to Nash vs the X Division. Also a big battle with Miro would interest me, same with Archer. Perhaps I'm a little more intrigued by Henry than Wight when it comes to in ring. Probably because a heel version of either guy is better for booking, and Henry is more likely to play heel.

They should cut a promo about how awesome AEW is, and how they aren't being held back anymore. Then they should take a shot at "that old man" we used to work for.

It's such a unique promo, hardly ever used, so it will make an immediate shift in wrestling!

[Sepholio]

How would you suggest or like to see AEW book Mark Henry and Paul Wight if/when they do an in ring program?

I think for Wight the key program would be MJF. It would be a good story for MJF once the Inner Circle story is finished. I could see some fun back and forth in promos and angles, wight could face off against the other Pinnacle members on his way to MJF. Maybe even have Wardlow go over with MJF causing some kind of screwjob for Wardlow which would culminate in a big one on one at a ppv with Wight and MJF.

With Mark Henry, he tends to work great as a heel so I'd probably want to see him start something with Jurassic Express, or perhaps a version of David vs Goliath with Darby. Similar to Nash vs the X Division. Also a big battle with Miro would interest me, same with Archer. Perhaps I'm a little more intrigued by Henry than Wight when it comes to in ring. Probably because a heel version of either guy is better for booking, and Henry is more likely to play heel.

Wight has to put over whichever big guy AEW decides they want to get behind. I'm saying Archer. Give him the ole "successor" rub and anoint him as the new giant in town. It wouldn't be a bad idea to have both Wight and Henry put over Archer, honestly.

I dunno what you do with Henry honestly. Having him work with Miro was my first thought too, and it isn't a bad idea but I feel like a lot of people might get that WWE stink from it. Maybe something with Hangman (although I think he would be better served working with Christian)? Henry definitely would have to play the old monster heel angle, but he can do that easily. Wouldn't mind seeing Mark work a program with Wardlow either.

[Lock Jaw]

They should cut a promo about how awesome AEW is, and how they aren't being held back anymore. Then they should take a shot at "that old man" we used to work for.

It's such a unique promo, hardly ever used, so it will make an immediate shift in wrestling!

They should talk about how they are "finally free to be themselves" and start wrassling in dresses

[Mr. Nerfect]

They’re finally free to be themselves, but are just happy to be in the promotion run by such wrestling luminaries as The Young Bucks, who they idolized on the circuit.

[Mr. Nerfect]

In more “Dave Meltzer’s balls are for busting” news: Dave was going on one of his “Well, ACTUALLY...” soaps on Twitter and, of all people, drunken ass Chris Jericho came in to correct Dave, possibly not realizing that Dave’s whole agenda was to make AEW look like some sort of promised land.

It was in regards to talent choosing AEW over WWE. Basically, Dave said that all the talent had chosen to leave WWE for AEW, except for Brodie Lee, but he was released when his contract was expiring, so it was definitely his choice. Rusev was in the same boat but Meltzer missed that. Jericho’s correction was that he hadn’t been under contract with the WWE for 18 months by the time he signed with AEW.

It’s not a giant thing, like conflating PPV numbers, lying about their creative, lying about the New Japan relations, etc. But it’s just more in the pattern of this guy either no longer having a clue or being so far in AEW’s corner that he will just spin anything.

“The second least good match on the show.”

[xrodmuc316]

In more “Dave Meltzer’s balls are for busting” news: Dave was going on one of his “Well, ACTUALLY...” soaps on Twitter and, of all people, drunken ass Chris Jericho came in to correct Dave, possibly not realizing that Dave’s whole agenda was to make AEW look like some sort of promised land.

It was in regards to talent choosing AEW over WWE. Basically, Dave said that all the talent had chosen to leave WWE for AEW, except for Brodie Lee, but he was released when his contract was expiring, so it was definitely his choice. Rusev was in the same boat but Meltzer missed that. Jericho’s correction was that he hadn’t been under contract with the WWE for 18 months by the time he signed with AEW.

It’s not a giant thing, like conflating PPV numbers, lying about their creative, lying about the New Japan relations, etc. But it’s just more in the pattern of this guy either no longer having a clue or being so far in AEW’s corner that he will just spin anything.

“The second least good match on the show.”

He is probably the worst "reporter" in any industry. The most biased lying con artist there is.

[Lock Jaw]

Feel like there are actual reporters of news media who are worse.

[Sepholio]

Feel like there are actual reporters of news media who are worse.

Yeah there for sure are. But as far as big rasslin reporters he is pretty much King Shit.

[xrodmuc316]

Feel like there are actual reporters of news media who are worse.

There are bigger assholes who tell bigger lies, but they don't charge $11.99 per month.

He is the worst.

[Lock Jaw]

In wrestling sure, but not "in any industry". Just can't give that to you. But I also don't really care that much, so whatever.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

So Noid still follows Dave Meltzer and still watches AEW. Probably the least surprising news of the day.

[xrodmuc316]

In wrestling sure, but not "in any industry". Just can't give that to you. But I also don't really care that much, so whatever.

Yeah me either, in fact if we want to count political commentators as reporters, then there are certainly quite a few in his class of biased lying con artists.

[Mr. Nerfect]

So Noid still follows Dave Meltzer and still watches AEW. Probably the least surprising news of the day.

Nope. See things second-hand.

Feel like there are actual reporters of news media who are worse.

Probably, but keeping to wrestling, he’s still exalted as this fair and impartial source. I think that idea needs to die.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lately I’ve been going over 2002 SmackDown stuff. I remember watching a lot of it at the time, and obviously some of it has been mythologized over the years, so you feel like you’ve seen it even if you haven’t. But holy fuck. I had somehow forgotten how good Kurt Angle was. How good Chris Benoit was. How good Eddie Guerrero was. Like...you know, but sometimes you need to actually see it again.

Eddie Guerrero vs. Edge in the No DQ Match and Angle vs. Benoit vs. Guerrero vs. Edge, both from SmackDown, kind of have that modern “keep the pace going” mentality. You can see where the modern guys have plucked it from. But they just don’t have the *intensity* or the psychological focus that these guys had.

I bring this up in the AEW thread just because we’re talking about Meltzer. It’s ridiculous that Kurt Angle has never had a five star match, as good as he is. Yeah, it’s just the guy’s opinion. But it’s a bad take. Watch Angle wrestle and then go and watch Omega. They’re two entirely different leagues.

[slik]

Friday Nights are a disaster, IDK why they bumped them there for a month. Were TruTV or TBS not an option for Wednesdays for a month?

Hopefully this kills the idea of Rampage being a Friday night show. They'll lose some momentum from this when they get back to Wednesday nights and will have to load up that first show back. Really moronic move to put them on Fridays at 10pm for a month.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AEW Dynamite drew 462,000 total viewers on Friday night 6/4, down from prior week.</p>&mdash; Pro Wrestling Torch (@PWTorch) <a href="https://twitter.com/PWTorch/status/1402016403289477128?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 7, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Bad News Gertner]

Wow, AEW possibly on the chopping block?

[Bad News Gertner]

Emperor Smeat probably in hiding because he doesn't want to face the numbers.

[Bad News Gertner]

Impact Wrestling on Destination America now outdrawing AEW


R.I.P

[Sepholio]

WHAT'S WCAEW DOING IN THE IMPACT ZONE!?

[xrodmuc316]

So much for that Smackdown lead in...

[slik]

Shida has short hair now

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ja" dir="ltr">New Shida is here ��<br><br>※Don’t use this pic for your profile etc. without editing for making clear it’s me��<br>※この写真をこのままプロフィール等に使用するのはご遠慮ください��<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NewProfiePic?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NewProfiePic</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/%E6%96%B0%E3%81%97%E3%81%84%E3%83%97%E3%83%AD%E3%83%95%E3%82%A3%E3%83%BC%E3%83%AB%E7%94%BB%E5%83%8F? src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#新しいプロフィール画像</a> <a href="https://t.co/sJ2S21Tsem">pic.twitter.com/sJ2S21Tsem</a></p>&mdash; HIKARU SHIDA 志田 光 (@shidahikaru) <a href="https://twitter.com/shidahikaru/status/1402059741615034370?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 8, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol, Meltzer said the Dynamite numbers were “up significantly” from last week. Turns out they are down significantly. Whoops. AEW flopping fucking HARD on Friday nights. And make no mistake about it — there’s no magical fix for the damage this is doing. People just don’t give a shit.

[Mr. Nerfect]

AEW about to drop below Cornette’s podcast numbers.

[xrodmuc316]

Shida has short hair now

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ja" dir="ltr">New Shida is here ��<br><br>※Don’t use this pic for your profile etc. without editing for making clear it’s me��<br>※この写真をこのままプロフィール等に使用するのはご遠慮ください��<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NewProfiePic?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NewProfiePic</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/%E6%96%B0%E3%81%97%E3%81%84%E3%83%97%E3%83%AD%E3%83%95%E3%82%A3%E3%83%BC%E3%83%AB%E7%94%BB%E5%83%8F? src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#新しいプロフィール画像</a> <a href="https://t.co/sJ2S21Tsem">pic.twitter.com/sJ2S21Tsem</a></p>&mdash; HIKARU SHIDA 志田 光 (@shidahikaru) <a href="https://twitter.com/shidahikaru/status/1402059741615034370?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 8, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Bro did you get her permission to post that??? She clearly has a really high opinion of herself to have to state that in her tweet :rofl:

[slik]

Just got an email Bleacher Report Live is going away and being replaced with Bleacher Report....I wonder if this means I'll lose access to the ppvs I can currently rewatch I have paid for in the past...hmmm

[Jordan]

Just got an email Bleacher Report Live is going away and being replaced with Bleacher Report....I wonder if this means I'll lose access to the ppvs I can currently rewatch I have paid for in the past...hmmm

Good question. I emailed them to ask.

[slik]

We'll see if it happens...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Don’t worry! We’ll be migrating your purchases and archival content over to B/R, where it’ll live as long as our agreement with AEW continues. More details on when those events will be available to watch soon! <a href="https://t.co/iskSawas18">https://t.co/iskSawas18</a></p>&mdash; BR Support (@BRLiveSupport) <a href="https://twitter.com/BRLiveSupport/status/1402374452093067269?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 8, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Bad News Gertner]

Wow, AEW being dumped by their PPV carrier due to poor ratings

R.I.P

[xrodmuc316]

Wow, AEW being dumped by their PPV carrier due to poor ratings

R.I.P

Sounds like they weren't bringing in the buyrates Dave Meltzer "reported" :rofl:

[slik]

The male version of Kylie Ray strikes again

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Lio Rush has confirmed his retirement from professional wrestling, citing a recent injury as the reason.<br><br>Rush says he’ll fulfil his final NJPW obligations after healing from his injury, and notes that AEW wanted to sign him after his Double or Nothing appearance.</p>&mdash; Gary Cassidy (@WrestlingGary) <a href="https://twitter.com/WrestlingGary/status/1402433975386312704?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 9, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Fignuts]

Jesus.

[weather vane]

That guys brain.

[RP]

Every time Moxely no sells a move, an angel gets its wings!

[RP]

I wanna do one of them graphic porno's with Shida where Pornhub has to blur her face out.

[RP]

You all know what i'm talking about. Dont act like you dont.

[#1-norm-fan]

I don’t. When I think of Shida doing porn it’s the ones where the cock is blurred out.

[RP]

I don’t. When I think of Shida doing porn it’s the ones where the cock is blurred out.

Let me help you.

So when you go on Pornhub. A lot of Asian porn has the female Asians face blurred out. I dont prefer it. But this is how it it.

[RP]

Probably a China thing? I dont know. I dont want to be racist atm.

[Mr. Nerfect]

So...is AEW going to TruTV or is it going to be flat-out cancelled?

[Fignuts]

Let me help you.

So when you go on Pornhub. A lot of Asian porn has the female Asians face blurred out. I dont prefer it. But this is how it it.

I've never come across this. It's always the dick that's blurred out as fan said.

[Vastardikai]

Zicky Dice got Murder-Hawked on Dark. Signing him would be a good get.

[Triple A]

I wish AEW was on . . . . .

[Triple A]

Hope this week's show isn't as sloppy and as much of a mess as the last 2 weeks!!!

[rez]

Tired of Friday night Dynamite. Will this be the last week of this crap? I much prefer the regular Wednesday night timeslot. It's something to sorta look forward to mid week.

Hell, they should have just kept the timeslot and moved it temporarily to TruTV. ugh

[slik]

I wish AEW was on . . . . .

same

[Mr. Nerfect]

You and 200k people. It will die soon and hopefully smarter people can do more with less.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Yooooooo this got me hyped for a squash match

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Let’s talk Friday <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> <a href="https://t.co/37aq5OlEQB">pic.twitter.com/37aq5OlEQB</a></p>&mdash; Miro (@ToBeMiro) <a href="https://twitter.com/ToBeMiro/status/1402662212662087680?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 9, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol, stopped at “...Evil Uno...” Horrible.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The card this week looks horrible:

* Miro vs. Evil Uno
* Leyla Hirsch vs. Nyla Rose
* Adam Page & “10” (fucking hell) vs. Brian Cage & Will Hobbs
* Christian Cage vs. Angelico
* The Young Bucks & Brandon Cutler vs. PAC, Pentagon & Eddie Kingston
* Lance Archer squash
* Inner Circle talkie segment
* Sting & Darby Allin talkie segment
* Cody Rhodes talkie segment

Who wants to watch this shit? All three advertized talking bits feel like repeats. People all over the internet are groaning about ANOTHER underwhelming Cody bit. Darby Allin has to choose someone as a partner that isn’t Sting, when people are supposed to be emotionally connected to Sting, so people don’t really WANT that to happen. Plus this feud is STILL going, has made the heels look shit and was all about putting Sting over. If it was about making Darby look good, he’d be elsewhere now. He had to sell to carry Sting’s old ass and now Sting is being treated like the bad-ass in the group.

Who gives a flying fuck about Lance Hoyt? When has he actually ever won anything important? Didn’t the WWE used to get shit for building its “monsters” like this? Plus, he’s 50.

The Young Bucks suck, Brandon Cutler sucks, Pentagon is overrated and Kingston always feels like he is shoe-horned in to whatever it is he’s doing. This is a horrible mash.

Angelico is only known for jumping off that thing in Lucha Underground. He has been in AEW since the start and no one cares. Yay for Christian vs. Matt Hardy in 2021. This sucked in 2010.

Team Taz are fucking losers. Adam Page has been booked into irrelevancy and AEW fans will not admit it. This dude headlined their first All Out show. Remember all that “potential?” That was almost 2 years ago. Now he’s teaming with the AEW equivalent of The Blue Meanie.

You know what’s a good idea? Bring in Andrade and stick him with Vickie Guerrero, so people can remember Eddie Guerrero and just how not that good or over Andrade is. But then we give Andrade creative control so he doesn’t have to lose and we can jam him down people’s throats while they’re thinking about how not good he is. And THEN we can keep Vickie managing a woman we are just about done with abs only hired for PR reasons and is going to lose to the current champ just to make Vickie look like a boob anyway. THIS FUCKING COMPANY!

You know what would have been smarter? Having Vickie dump Nyla for Andrade, that pissing off Nyla, and THAT being her instigation to get back into the title hunt. But that takes 5 seconds of thought.

Then you’ve got “Marvellous” Marc Miro — actual mark and ratings loser — getting the main event slot with the mid-card belt against a fat comedy jobber from the indies. They’ve somehow taken Rusev, made him more of a joke, made him even more mid-card than he’s ever been, but somehow also convince him and fans that they’re using him better. Amazing.

They’ll be lucky if they get 400k for this bad episode of Jakked masquerading as their A show. I’ve seen people assume that fans are going to flock back when they go back to Wednesday. Just like they were supposed to flock back when the crowds came. Not everybody is going to come back, and ratings were not impressive as it was. Some people are going to get out of the habit of watching, not miss this shit, feel insulted, get bored or simply stop caring. They will try their little hearts out to hot-shot, but what do they even have? Jericho vs. MJF? Omega vs. Andrade? Christian vs. Matt Hardy? Big Show debuts? Lol.

Yes, Friday nights is a dead slot. But that’s the slot they’ve earned for themselves. If they were higher priority, they’d be in a higher priority slot. Them not performing well isn’t good. The most you can squeeze out of it as that some viewers of AEW did have a social life. But that social life may not include AEW going forward, and ultimately didn’t affect how advertisers saw them.

They’re fucking chewing up people’s brain space with subpar wrestling content that is just wearing more and more people thin. A few hardcore wrestling nerds on the internet lap it up, because their standards are low or whatever, but they are ultimately doing damage to the genre by propping up this off-putting content that makes people rightly think that this shit is fucking dead.

You all know I’m 100% correct.

[Sepholio]

*insert mr burns laughing gif*

[xrodmuc316]

The card this week looks horrible:

* Miro vs. Evil Uno
* Leyla Hirsch vs. Nyla Rose
* Adam Page & “10” (fucking hell) vs. Brian Cage & Will Hobbs
* Christian Cage vs. Angelico
* The Young Bucks & Brandon Cutler vs. PAC, Pentagon & Eddie Kingston
* Lance Archer squash
* Inner Circle talkie segment
* Sting & Darby Allin talkie segment
* Cody Rhodes talkie segment

Who wants to watch this shit? All three advertized talking bits feel like repeats. People all over the internet are groaning about ANOTHER underwhelming Cody bit. Darby Allin has to choose someone as a partner that isn’t Sting, when people are supposed to be emotionally connected to Sting, so people don’t really WANT that to happen. Plus this feud is STILL going, has made the heels look shit and was all about putting Sting over. If it was about making Darby look good, he’d be elsewhere now. He had to sell to carry Sting’s old ass and now Sting is being treated like the bad-ass in the group.

Who gives a flying fuck about Lance Hoyt? When has he actually ever won anything important? Didn’t the WWE used to get shit for building its “monsters” like this? Plus, he’s 50.

The Young Bucks suck, Brandon Cutler sucks, Pentagon is overrated and Kingston always feels like he is shoe-horned in to whatever it is he’s doing. This is a horrible mash.

Angelico is only known for jumping off that thing in Lucha Underground. He has been in AEW since the start and no one cares. Yay for Christian vs. Matt Hardy in 2021. This sucked in 2010.

Team Taz are fucking losers. Adam Page has been booked into irrelevancy and AEW fans will not admit it. This dude headlined their first All Out show. Remember all that “potential?” That was almost 2 years ago. Now he’s teaming with the AEW equivalent of The Blue Meanie.

You know what’s a good idea? Bring in Andrade and stick him with Vickie Guerrero, so people can remember Eddie Guerrero and just how not that good or over Andrade is. But then we give Andrade creative control so he doesn’t have to lose and we can jam him down people’s throats while they’re thinking about how not good he is. And THEN we can keep Vickie managing a woman we are just about done with abs only hired for PR reasons and is going to lose to the current champ just to make Vickie look like a boob anyway. THIS FUCKING COMPANY!

You know what would have been smarter? Having Vickie dump Nyla for Andrade, that pissing off Nyla, and THAT being her instigation to get back into the title hunt. But that takes 5 seconds of thought.

Then you’ve got “Marvellous” Marc Miro — actual mark and ratings loser — getting the main event slot with the mid-card belt against a fat comedy jobber from the indies. They’ve somehow taken Rusev, made him more of a joke, made him even more mid-card than he’s ever been, but somehow also convince him and fans that they’re using him better. Amazing.

They’ll be lucky if they get 400k for this bad episode of Jakked masquerading as their A show. I’ve seen people assume that fans are going to flock back when they go back to Wednesday. Just like they were supposed to flock back when the crowds came. Not everybody is going to come back, and ratings were not impressive as it was. Some people are going to get out of the habit of watching, not miss this shit, feel insulted, get bored or simply stop caring. They will try their little hearts out to hot-shot, but what do they even have? Jericho vs. MJF? Omega vs. Andrade? Christian vs. Matt Hardy? Big Show debuts? Lol.

Yes, Friday nights is a dead slot. But that’s the slot they’ve earned for themselves. If they were higher priority, they’d be in a higher priority slot. Them not performing well isn’t good. The most you can squeeze out of it as that some viewers of AEW did have a social life. But that social life may not include AEW going forward, and ultimately didn’t affect how advertisers saw them.

They’re fucking chewing up people’s brain space with subpar wrestling content that is just wearing more and more people thin. A few hardcore wrestling nerds on the internet lap it up, because their standards are low or whatever, but they are ultimately doing damage to the genre by propping up this off-putting content that makes people rightly think that this shit is fucking dead.

You all know I’m 100% correct.

"Man Noid, this must have taken you 6 hours to type!!!" ~ Screech, direct quote

[rez]

https://wrestletalk.com/news/tony-khan-fires-back-triple-h/

Tony runs his mouth a lot but he isn't wrong here.

http://www.wwe.com/superstars

NXT has a decent amount of women but do the drop down menu on Raw or SD. They're so depleted now..

[Sepholio]

He is wrong. He's saying people took offense to HHH saying that WWE is where everyone wants to be and where all the best workers are. FFS Tony and multiple people at AEW say the same shit about AEW all the time. About how they are the best, everyone wants to be there, blah blah blah. It's the same shit. That comment exposes Tony again as a raging hypocrite.

[#1-norm-fan]

Has Tony actually said that all the best wrestlers either do or want to work for AEW?

[Sepholio]

"That's just...like...your opinion man"

And then he makes the same comments about his company.

[rez]

And get cut like you're garbage (literally). Unless you're Bayley, Charlotte, Sasha, or Becky (is she even back on TV?) I wouldn't want to be there.

[rez]

There will be a couple NXT call ups and Vince won't know what to do with them and probably cut 'em within 6 months.

[erickman]

And get cut like you're garbage (literally). Unless you're Bayley, Charlotte, Sasha, or Becky (is she even back on TV?) I wouldn't want to be there.

or blond

[Sepholio]

And get cut like you're garbage (literally). Unless you're Bayley, Charlotte, Sasha, or Becky (is she even back on TV?) I wouldn't want to be there.

So since roster cuts are apparently an issue now, would you be cool if Vince just hires up all the talent in the world and sits them on the bench forever because there isn't room for them?

Not saying you specifically but I have always found it humorous how people will moan about WWE hoarding talent they don't have room for. How they need to let people go work elsewhere if they have nothing for them. Then WWE makes roster cuts and everyone loses their mind about that. It's literally a no-win situation for them with the IWC.

[rez]

I'm not talking food catering stand ins and jobbers...active and liked superstars being released. It sends a bad message.

[rez]

Shit...it seemed like half of RAW this week was AJ and his bodyguard.

[Sepholio]

I'm not talking food catering stand ins and jobbers...active and liked superstars being released. It sends a bad message.

Someone likes everyone dude. They can't keep these people forever. How are they supposed to make time for new people and pushes if they have to keep others on board because someone liked them. Come on man.

And lets be real. It's a rare occasion when they release someone that's active and even remotely popular. That's why Braun getting canned caught so many people off guard because it's not normal for WWE to do that. Everyone else on that list either isn't very active or isn't that over with the fans. You can argue Black, because he definitely is popular and was coming back, but he hasn't really been active in like a year or whatever. Murphy and Riot aren't popping crowds.

[rez]

I'm also talking about the 2020 releases.

[erickman]

both wwe and aew need to cut a bunch of wrestlers. wwe needs 150 wrestlers max, and about 60 to 70 for aew. no way should wwe have 300 wrestlers

[rez]

300? There's a lot of inactive (Brock, Cena, etc.) and they list the McMahons, interviewers, etc.

[erickman]

300 is all i hear before the cuts last week, look at all the people they still have in europe

[rez]

even if there weren't a pandamic, would we even hear shit about WWE Europe or Japan? heh

[xrodmuc316]

He is wrong. He's saying people took offense to HHH saying that WWE is where everyone wants to be and where all the best workers are. FFS Tony and multiple people at AEW say the same shit about AEW all the time. About how they are the best, everyone wants to be there, blah blah blah. It's the same shit. That comment exposes Tony again as a raging hypocrite.

Tony Khan has instructed his wrestlers from day one to ALL push that narrative, that AEW is the best. Tony himself says stupid shit like Moxley and Omega are the 2 best wrestlers in the world all the time.

He is a thin skinned bitch, who has had multiple Twitter meltdowns going back to soccer fans telling him he sucks.

And to this specific instance, he isnt even right about what Triple H said. Triple H made the point that why she WWE let their wrestlers go to some NWA show just because NWA/Mickie James said their all women's show is going to be the greatest, and that hasnt WWE already done that (an all women's show).

What I took away from that is why would WWE bend over backwards when they have made women's wrestling a priority for over 5 years? If women wrestlers want the best opportunities they woukd be with WWE.

SOMEHOW Triple H talking about an N.W.A. show triggered Tony, and he got up on his soap box and made it about AEW, basically implying how dare Triple H say that his company is the best because, noooooooooo not true AEW is the best!

Thin Skinned Little Bitch Tony Khan

[Mr. Nerfect]

Remember when everyone was apparently champing at the bit to leave WWE, but then anyone worth a shit re-signed with WWE because they have dignity?

[#1-norm-fan]

Ah, the dignity required to re-sign with such a righteous company as WWE.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Ah, the dignity required to re-sign with such a righteous company as WWE.

Yeah, that’s actually the state of things right now.

[xrodmuc316]

Another day, another Twitter Meltdown by one of these super cool Elite Crybabies.

https://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/2021/06/dustin-rhodes-responds-to-backlash-over-bullrope-match/

Of course then he deleted most of the tweets once he started getting more backlash

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If you don’t want honest opinions, why ask the question? Someone doesn’t agree with the outcome and you tell them to go into their moms basement? Classy Dustin.</p>&mdash; Michael Purdin (@Purdin) <a href="https://twitter.com/Purdin/status/1403920645633814530?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 13, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">You asked what people thought. He told you. Your response is to insult him with baseless attacks and tell him his opinion doesn't matter. If people's opinions don't matter, why the fuck did you ask what people thought? You look like a clown for this exchange.</p>&mdash; Dale 🚴🏼 (@leftychipmunk) <a href="https://twitter.com/leftychipmunk/status/1403902393360830468?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 13, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Maluco]

They are incredibly sensitive and insecure. AEW seem to be gathering up talent with a chip on their shoulder.

People complained so much about Triple H and Jeff Jarrett in WWE and TNA respectively, but both those guys are infinitely more talented than Cody Rhodes. But a midcarder focusing on himself is fine in AEW.

It’s great Dustin is still going and is healthy and well, but he is 50 years old. He should be able to listen to fans and not be salty when they question him going over younger talent.

That’s not even mentioning the requirement that everyone pick Kenny Omega as the best wrestler in the world, even though he has never drawn or performed for a big American company and his character work is non existent.

Weird bunch, and that’s coming from someone who wants them to succeed.

The cracks are definitely becoming more pronounced though.

[screech]

Anyone know why the Cody/Penta feud was dropped? Did I miss some injury news or something?

Just saw a tweet reference it and can't remember if it was addressed on TV after that promo between the two

[Mr. Nerfect]

Massive insecurity in this promotion. Dustin asking for fan opinions then blasting them; Kenny Omega attacking talent WITHIN HIS OWN PROMOTION for DARING to suggest that someone else is better than him. How about you draw some money and learn how to throw a proper punch, you overrated cunt?

No one worth two shits has signed with them because they know this is a place where if you’re perceived as a threat, they’ll passive aggressively book you into oblivion. Look at FTR. Think they’re happy they got away from “Evil WWE” to be treated...well, exactly the same?

Time to admit this experiment has been a failure.

[#1-norm-fan]

Let’s not pretend massive insecurity is an AEW-exclusive trait.

However we can agree that Kenny Omega is a special kind of awful.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Anyone know why the Cody/Penta feud was dropped? Did I miss some injury news or something?

Just saw a tweet reference it and can't remember if it was addressed on TV after that promo between the two

Because AEW sucks and drops stuff all the time. Just like the Penta/Daniels angle. Joey Janela kidnapping Tully Blanchard. The Nightmare Collective. Adam Page. Matt Hardy’s...whatever the fuck it was he was doing. Cody’s issues with Shaq. Jericho’s issues with Tyson. MJF’s tension with Wardlow. Where the fuck are Luchasaurus and Marko Stunt? Why does QT Marshall suddenly have a wife?

AEW fucking up a story isn’t unusual.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Let’s not pretend massive insecurity is an AEW-exclusive trait.

However we can agree that Kenny Omega is a special kind of awful.

It may not be exclusive to AEW, but it doesn’t make it any more endearing, lol.

Omega has replaced Triple H as my most overrated wrestler of all-time. He’s not very good and seems like a real-life idiot and scumbag.

[#1-norm-fan]

Because AEW sucks and drops stuff all the time. Just like the Penta/Daniels angle. Joey Janela kidnapping Tully Blanchard. The Nightmare Collective. Adam Page. Matt Hardy’s...whatever the fuck it was he was doing. Cody’s issues with Shaq. Jericho’s issues with Tyson. MJF’s tension with Wardlow. Where the fuck are Luchasaurus and Marko Stunt? Why does QT Marshall suddenly have a wife?

AEW fucking up a story isn’t unusual.

I’m not one to be like “You seem to know a lot about this thing you hate so much. GOTCHA!” I get it usually. Mainly with WWE stuff.

But holy shit, you know entirely too many details about AEW. I follow it mostly just from here and most of this shit did not cross my mind.

[#1-norm-fan]

It may not be exclusive to AEW, but it doesn’t make it any more endearing, lol.

Omega has replaced Triple H as my most overrated wrestler of all-time. He’s not very good and seems like a real-life idiot and scumbag.

I think it’s a generational thing.

Both issues.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I was going to suggest that, but I guess there have been insecure figures in wrestling forever and a day. How that manifests changes. With Omega it’s passive aggressive, dog-piling social media posturing. If he was 300lbs in 1998, he’d be burying people in production meetings suggesting they can’t draw.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">hell yeah <a href="https://t.co/fnmSPGfOUs">pic.twitter.com/fnmSPGfOUs</a></p>&mdash; snowboiiii ������ #hookgang (@snowboiiii) <a href="https://twitter.com/snowboiiii/status/1404579316873281541?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 14, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Sepholio]

That move looks super safe.

[slik]

I hope they push Wardlow more, he can talk too

[slik]

Anyone know why the Cody/Penta feud was dropped? Did I miss some injury news or something?

Just saw a tweet reference it and can't remember if it was addressed on TV after that promo between the two

I think it was just to set-up a reason for them to have a match the next week on Dynamite and not intended to be a long-term storyline.

[slik]

I believe this week is their last day on Friday before going to Saturday next week and then back to Wednesday the week after for Dynamite.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Thank God the current time slot sucks

[Mr. Nerfect]

They went up! 487k viewers! Wrestling is saved!

[Mr. Nerfect]

I’m not one to be like “You seem to know a lot about this thing you hate so much. GOTCHA!” I get it usually. Mainly with WWE stuff.

But holy shit, you know entirely too many details about AEW. I follow it mostly just from here and most of this shit did not cross my mind.

I’m obsessed with wrestling. It was a big part of my formative years. When it sucks, I register it. Plus the AEW fandom you see in places is absolutely gross (to my tastes), so I love bursting the bubble of people who think it’s good by demonstrating how it is not.

There are opinions and it’s fine to personally enjoy AEW, but it is not objectively good, coherent, well-produced television. It has plot holes you could drive a truck through. Stories are stopped and started for no reason at all. That’s just a fact.

I got called a Vince McMahon cocksucker because I dared point out that Triple H was not trying his absolute hardest to run AEW into the ground and pointing out the inconsistencies in Dave Meltzer simultaneously saying that WWE doesn’t promote NXT well to dunk on them while also implying that AEW was beating this giant well-promoted WWE vehicle to bolster AEW’s image. I’ve made it my mission to at least TRY and maintain a logical narrative around this shitshow of a company because that objective coverage just isn’t there.

The schadenfreude of everyone who said “Nuh-uh, AEW actually matters” needing to either go into hiding or begrudgingly admit I was right as this shit hits TNA levels of low in record time is delicious, and I’m not ashamed of letting people know I enjoy it. Hey, BigCrippyZ — tell me again how this promotion is important. Fucking clown. The big question is whether or not it even gets a book when it closes down and is bought by AXS or something.

[Mr. Nerfect]

AEW have apparently put themselves in the red with their video game department. Video games are no doubt expensive, but for these games to put the promotion in the red seems to hinge a lot on their success.

Video games have the potential to get AEW a lot of exposure from potential new fans, but that only seems likely if the game is actually good and sells enough to achieve that exposure. With AEW being the niche of the niche, commercially it may just not be viable.

[xrodmuc316]

AEW have apparently put themselves in the red with their video game department. Video games are no doubt expensive, but for these games to put the promotion in the red seems to hinge a lot on their success.

Video games have the potential to get AEW a lot of exposure from potential new fans, but that only seems likely if the game is actually good and sells enough to achieve that exposure. With AEW being the niche of the niche, commercially it may just not be viable.

That was a total spin. "Oh we are in the red because of our video game."

Really its they are in the red becauee of their video games, and buying rights to a bunch of 80's songs, and paying wrestlers WAY too much, and having WAY too many wrestlers under contract, and spending WAY too much on fireworks except for the ONE time they needed to, and getting booted off their network, and losing half their fans, and on and on and on...

[Mr. Nerfect]

That was a total spin. "Oh we are in the red because of our video game."

Really its they are in the red becauee of their video games, and buying rights to a bunch of 80's songs, and paying wrestlers WAY too much, and having WAY too many wrestlers under contract, and spending WAY too much on fireworks except for the ONE time they needed to, and getting booted off their network, and losing half their fans, and on and on and on...

In the Forbes interview, Tony Khan says “I expect our wrestling division to be profitable by the end of the year,” or something to that effect. Knowing how TK talks, you’d expect him to say “We are profitable.” But in the same interview, there’s a quote from Shad Khan who basically says he is willing to burn money.

[xrodmuc316]

In the Forbes interview, Tony Khan says “I expect our wrestling division to be profitable by the end of the year,” or something to that effect. Knowing how TK talks, you’d expect him to say “We are profitable.” But in the same interview, there’s a quote from Shad Khan who basically says he is willing to burn money.

Yeah cause Shad will write them a new big check, then "hey we are profitable!!!".

[Jordan]

AEW doing big buisness check your sources brother. They got some of the biggest talent out there locked down for years and I'm talking about Paul Wight who was the largest free agent since 1999. Of course they also got some of the strongest names in the buisness and I'm talking about none other than the 2002 winner of the Arnold Classic Mark Henry. And he's there not to fix AEW cause it's not broken but he's been signed specifically to use his in ring excellence and craftsmanship for working a match brother to help out the younger future superstars of AEW to hone their craft and to have much better matches, more like the ones he's had in the past dude.

[slik]

I've often thought a tennis stadium would be a perfect set-up for wrestling


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">‘The coolest wrestling company in the world’: AEW brings live show to NYC, Arthur Ashe Stadium in September with ‘Dynamite: Grand Slam’ <a href="https://t.co/9eibe138zm">https://t.co/9eibe138zm</a></p>&mdash; All Elite Wrestling (@AEW) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEW/status/1405173775394656264?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 16, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Evil Vito]

That's gonna look fucking awesome, I'm all for that. Might have to try going to it.

[Jordan]

I'm definitely going.

[Triple A]

Arthur Ashe Stadium is cool... seems like it would be sweet as a wrestling venue... like 10 mins from my apt :y:

https://i.imgur.com/oiUB4HWh.jpg

[Triple A]

That article says they're going to Newark the week before on Sept 15 also, interesting... Feel like a lot of people in NY may just choose to go to the NYC show and skip the annoying trip to Newark

[Triple A]

Arthur Ashe capacity is 23,700, but will prob close off a big section for the stage etc

[Evil Vito]

I’d love if they eschewed a stage/big ramp for this and just had the ring and the entrance at one of the corners. Be kinda like when NJPW runs in Koreauken Hall

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Yeah they could easily just put a video board along the baseline wall and have the wrestlers enter from the players tunnel.

Less is more when you have unique setups like this.

[Mr. Nerfect]

AEW struggling to get 18k in the NYC area being an achievement says a lot about the state of pro-wrestling. Lol, don’t people need to notice your existence for you to be the “coolest wrestling company in the world?”

[xrodmuc316]

They are certainly not the coolest, most dorky more like it

[Jordan]

AEW struggling to get 18k in the NYC area being an achievement says a lot about the state of pro-wrestling. Lol, don’t people need to notice your existence for you to be the “coolest wrestling company in the world?”

Tickets aren't on sale yet so they aren't struggling. Yet.

[Triple A]

AEW struggling to get 18k in the NYC area being an achievement says a lot about the state of pro-wrestling. Lol, don’t people need to notice your existence for you to be the “coolest wrestling company in the world?”

Lol

[Evil Vito]

Lmao Noid acting like tickets are already on sale just means he's already set up the goalposts to be moved. They could sell out instantly for their largest gate ever and he'll still poo poo it.

[erickman]

stroman will be in aew by then trip a you going post here during that show?

[screech]

Lmao Noid acting like tickets are already on sale just means he's already set up the goalposts to be moved. They could sell out instantly for their largest gate ever and he'll still poo poo it.

lol most of his boring gimmick is moving goalposts

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lmao Noid acting like tickets are already on sale just means he's already set up the goalposts to be moved. They could sell out instantly for their largest gate ever and he'll still poo poo it.

I’m not saying that tickets are on sale yet, you illiterate fucks. It’s a forecast, and one made facetiously. They’ll probably sell it out. One way or another, the Khans are going to get people into that building, even if they have to comp an obscene amount of tickets or pay to get people in.

Pockets of fans on the internet are actually celebrating this, like pulling 18k from one of the world’s largest metropolitan areas for one show is some sort of height for wrestling. And in modern times it sadly is.

My honest prediction is that the show will probably come off well. They’re in Rochester the next week, so they’ll exploit Brodie Lee’s death for that. They’ll blow all the cache they get from doing a “giant” show by leaving a bad taste in fans’ mouths and doing their silly, self-indulgent stuff. Dave Meltzer will say they are doing amazing as the ratings come in at 750k or whatever and they panic and hot-shot more stuff.

The big spanner in the works will be if the bottom falls out before then. They have been getting smashed on Friday nights. They will get smashed on Saturdays. People are out of the habit of watching. That does more damage than a lot of AEWtomatons give credence to. So they will be hot-shotting more stuff for the return to Wednesdays. It will largely have audiences feeling underwhelmed, but it will also be diminishing returns each time they do it. It would not shock me if the big Wednesday return only does 750k-850k people. And the realization from the hyper-aware AEW fans is going to do major damage to the new car smell of AEW, which has already dissipated if you ask me. It’s going to keep going lower and lower, and enthusiasm is going to go with it. By the time we get to September, more and more people might be looking at AEW screaming out for attention, shrug and get back to what they were doing.

Long-term, even if this show is a success, it’s going to subconsciously stand as a comparative challenge to where AEW ends up in the future. When they CAN’T fill up that building in New York — if they don’t even try — that does damage to the perception of AEW too. Make no mistake about it, if WrestleMania ever has to go back to the Hartford Civic Center it is going to sting and be noticeable to fans.

All these empty promises from AEW, all these publicity stunts and proclamations about how BIG they are — look at how BIG we are! — are going to come back to bite them, as if they haven’t already (half their potential viewership deciding this is bogus, TNT kicking them from their slot, TNT kicking them from their NETWORK).

Shift those goalposts, cunts. I am right. I have been from the start — the moment they pulled PAC and Page from Double or Nothing and the apologetics started. And that is this place’s real issue with me. They don’t like that I make them feel so damn wrong.

AEW sucks, guys.

[Triple A]

tldr

too much swearing and cussing...

[Blonde Moment]

AEW sucks, guys.

Let's be frank here. It all sucks right now and odds are it will continue to suck. And now amount of armchair booking, minor league reviewing and general bitching will change that. I watch what I can and take whatever enjoyment I can from the wrestlers I like and forget about the rest and wait for he next show

[Evil Vito]

tldr

My thoughts exactly about any Noid post more than one character long tbh

[screech]

AEW sucks. WWE sucks. People still watch and find stuff to enjoy.

Except noid, who can't find any joy in anything.

[weather vane]

I like AEW.

[Evil Vito]

AEW easily the most fun I’ve had watching wrestling in a decade. It ain’t perfect but it feels worth my time.

But nah we must all hate it or we have poor taste.

[screech]

I do enjoy it, was being hyperbolic. I wouldn't be watching it or posting about it if I didn't enjoy at least parts of it.

[screech]

AEW easily the most fun I’ve had watching wrestling in a decade. It ain’t perfect but it feels worth my time.

But nah we must all hate it or we have poor taste.

Two hours of Dynamite tends to fly by more often than not.

[Jordan]

I feel like the clock is ticking on a Cody heel turn. It has to be soon. I'm sure if they find the right heel to juice more squeeze out of his Babyface character we will go longer. Maybe they could end up swapping spots with Cody and Kenny at some point. And the built in story of Cody never challenging for the Belt is the perfect heel juice for a hard squeeze to the nuts of his patriotic Surfer Sting-do good character.

[Evil Vito]

Between everyone knowing he’s an EVP, always getting special entrances, usually being accompanied by a massive entourage of hangers-on, the clear makings of a heel are all there so Cody should just run with it.

[Lock Jaw]

I remember when AEW started and he had that feud/match vs Dustin I assumed he was a heel, but somehow he was a face I guess. Or maybe he only turned face randomly at the end of the match after beating his brother to a bloody pulp, I dunno. Was the damndest face turn I've ever seen if it was a face turn.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

He went into that match as a heel I believe. I agree that a heel turn is probably needed.

[weather vane]

Yeah it’s all there. It will def happen at some point.

[Vastardikai]

In the Forbes interview, Tony Khan says “I expect our wrestling division to be profitable by the end of the year,” or something to that effect. Knowing how TK talks, you’d expect him to say “We are profitable.” But in the same interview, there’s a quote from Shad Khan who basically says he is willing to burn money.

The Forbes article was kind of cringe, with the Tony Khan's glamor shot and all the bullshit about not really going after WWE, despite the fact they do it all the fucking time.

Also kind of telling in how Forbes only really talked to one of the EVPs, and didn't mention the other 3 at all. Almost as if, deep down, they know that Omega and the Bucks don't have the mainstream appeal that folks like to sell them as having. If there was anything to the issues between the EVPs, that'd be the one way Cody would beat them out, actually having some media training. Also, outside of Cassidy (who doesn't really stand out as objectively terrible just with an 8x10), most of the more cringe elements of the program were wisely kept out of view and not elaborated on.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The Forbes article was kind of cringe, with the Tony Khan's glamor shot and all the bullshit about not really going after WWE, despite the fact they do it all the fucking time.

Also kind of telling in how Forbes only really talked to one of the EVPs, and didn't mention the other 3 at all. Almost as if, deep down, they know that Omega and the Bucks don't have the mainstream appeal that folks like to sell them as having. If there was anything to the issues between the EVPs, that'd be the one way Cody would beat them out, actually having some media training. Also, outside of Cassidy (who doesn't really stand out as objectively terrible just with an 8x10), most of the more cringe elements of the program were wisely kept out of view and not elaborated on.

The AEW Twitter has just recently retweeted and article that says “Look out Vince, AEW is going to threaten your local stronghold” or something. It’s just groan-inducing at this point. And I didn’t even object to the sledgehammer at Double or Nothing. But come on, guys — you’re currently getting <500k viewers on a Friday night. WWE does better than that averaged out over 3 hours with a show that is generally regarded as terrible. And that’s their 2nd priority show.

I did notice that outside of Orange Cassidy, they used shots of talent that were actually...talented. I’m convinced they know the best foot forward. They know what works and what doesn’t. They’re just as stubborn as that shitty company they keep taking shots at. They want to get their friends into position and they don’t care if people like their content or not.

It honestly is like community theatre, in that you know what is good and what isn’t, but if you acknowledge the shit stuff instead of applauding effort and intention, and just accept that the *idea* of pro-wrestling is what should be complimented, then you’re a raging asshole who isn’t with this “artistic movement.”

But everyone has to know this isn’t really good, right?

[Mr. Nerfect]

In more AEW is insecure as fuck news (seems like the 5th story this week): AEW is now targeting AEWBotches on Twitter for using clips. AEW flat-out said they wouldn’t do this. But it turns out they will...if the intent isn’t to frame them as awesome isn’t there.

* Dustin flipping out after asking fan opinion.
* TK just needing to bite on Triple H comments.
* Omega, Jericho and Hardy getting upset that JR dared insinuate that Randy Orton was, in his opinion, the best wrestler in the world.
* AEW Twitter taking shots at WWE.
* AEW targeting people who use gifs if they don’t blow the company.

Cracking under pressure with the truth being exposed. I cannot wait to see what happens if they don’t get the numbers they were hoping for with their move back to Wednesday, or if Rampage gets dropped or something.

Imagine if this company gets out-right canceled? Imagine what happens when the Big Bang Theory marathon proves to be more financially viable than AEW on TBS and they have to explain to the “wrestling media” how they have been kicked out on their asses. How is Dave going to spin that one?

Does Brett Weitz become the new Jamie Kellner? The executive that just “hated wrestling” so much and wouldn’t give it a chance? Does the NHL become the enemy, where if they just stayed put and didn’t make it *just impossible* for AEW to keep an audience, they would have been flourishing in business? Is wrestling just too hard/not what audiences want? Oh shit, is it the audience’s fault for rejecting them and being prisoners on Vince McMahon programming and not getting with them?

How about it’s a bunch of inexperienced minds with a surface-level understanding that runs incongruously against the reality of larger fan demand and what actually works in professional wrestling. Maybe when people see leg slaps on chops, sloppy stunts that don’t make sense, poorly executed fight scenes, they remember this shit isn’t what they once liked? Maybe when they hear melodramatic promos filled with awful comedy and childish pettiness, they tune the fuck out? Maybe when you act like little bitches, people begin to see you like little bitches?

Fuck. This. Company.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Kenny Omega giving an update on the AEW console game. It looks great! Can’t wait to play it <a href="https://t.co/iv8zb9buvA">pic.twitter.com/iv8zb9buvA</a></p>&mdash; The Real One ☄️ (@WWEREALONE) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWEREALONE/status/1405636537648390151?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 17, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[xrodmuc316]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Kenny Omega giving an update on the AEW console game. It looks great! Can’t wait to play it <a href="https://t.co/iv8zb9buvA">pic.twitter.com/iv8zb9buvA</a></p>&mdash; The Real One ☄️ (@WWEREALONE) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWEREALONE/status/1405636537648390151?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 17, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I already have that game. Its called WWE 2K19.

[Fignuts]

I dunno, Darby's face didn't look inside out in that video.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Looks like WWE 2k wanted to get clunky as shit just to make people miss No Mercy more.

[Evil Vito]

2k have had the WWE Games license for like 7 years now and they've changed basically nothing from the Yukes games other than them getting way glitchier

So visually I'm not surprised the game looks similar, just hoping Yukes takes their time cleaning things up.

[Evil Vito]

Brandi and Cody's baby has been born: Liberty Iris Runnels.

I mean I've heard way worse baby names especially in wrestling (Knash Sixx Rotunda), but still pretty cringe.

[xrodmuc316]

I dunno, Darby's face didn't look inside out in that video.

That was WWE 2K20 :rofl:

[Mr. Nerfect]

Congratulations to the couple, commemorations to Liberty Rhodes.

Kind of demonstrates that Cody’s BS promo from a few weeks ago was kind of a shoot.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If you want AEW dead, even though they've upgraded the pay for talent, their security, their travel and the fan experience, because &quot;Cody took a sledgehammer to a throne!!&quot;, I sincerely hope you're 12. I forget Twitter have children on here sometimes.</p>&mdash; Joe (@JoeProWrestling) <a href="https://twitter.com/JoeProWrestling/status/1405224380305641482?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 16, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[screech]

rasslin Twitter is so bad. People want a company to fail just because "it's the other one." Will never understand that. If you don't like it, just don't watch. It's really not that difficult.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol, they’ve upgraded the pay for talent? Vince is offering talent less money than he was 12 months ago BECAUSE AEW is not a threat. Rey Mysterio was low-balled. Christian, Big Show, Mark Henry and Sting took Trojan horse deals.

Remember how they implied wrestlers would be getting health insurance? Lol! Sorry, guys. Only the executives get that. We don’t want to blow up wrestling too much now.

In a non-monetary sense, AEW has a rather terrible track record of how they deal with concussions and other injuries on the fly. You are a mark if you believe this is a humanitarian promotion just because they blow you kisses.

Giant guaranteed salaries might be awesome for the talent that receive them, but for wrestling as a whole? They completely remove the incentive to actually produce good content. For fans, it’s pretty detrimental.

The criticisms of AEW are not because they’re “other.” It’s because they are another. Another trashy, self-indulgent promotion that thinks its shit doesn’t stink, produces pretty bad content, demands that it be perceived as good, and doesn’t give a fuck if it is only helping to further kill wrestling. As long as they get to have fun, show they are just happy to be there and make a truck-load of money, who cares about the next guy?

Holy shit that is such a shit Slik take.

[Mr. Nerfect]

rasslin Twitter is so bad. People want a company to fail just because "it's the other one." Will never understand that. If you don't like it, just don't watch. It's really not that difficult.

Were you saying this when people were disappointed by the WWE product? Probably not. Cool to rag on them, but when it comes to this specific product, it’s this terrible exercise to be unimpressed by them.

Criticism is a thing, bitch. Sometimes the things you like might get some. Deal with it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The guy who runs AEWBotches got doxed and his wife received harassing messages. AEW fandom is not without its toxicity. But sure, let’s look at the shiny wrapper over here: Can you believe people don’t like AEW? Probably just because it’s something different, people never like NEW things. Mustn’t have anything to do with ITS FUCKING QUALITY!!!

[Jordan]

Maybe you should take your passionate hatred for AEW to twitter to let your voice be heard in a way that could make change instead of constantly trying to ruin the enjoyment like 10 people have here discussing the only watchable contemporary Wrestling product.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Maybe you should take your passionate hatred for AEW to twitter to let your voice be heard in a way that could make change instead of constantly trying to ruin the enjoyment like 10 people have here discussing the only watchable contemporary Wrestling product.

Maybe I can do both? Maybe fuck you? Why should I have to silence my opinion, my thoughts and my expression because it makes you insecure?

Too often you hear from the few posters left on here “Ooh, you’re trying to control what we think! Why can’t you just let us think that it’s good?!” Well, why can’t you just let me think that it’s bad?

It’s because I make good points. That’s why no one actually bothers to address them and just dances around it by talking about how long my posts are, asking why I follow wrestling at all, saying I can’t enjoy anything or accusing me of shifting goalposts. Oh, and I swear too much.

Great stuff, guys. None of you have any fucking gorm. It’d be nice to actually discuss wrestling on here sometime.

[Mr. Nerfect]

By the way, SmackDown > AEW. That actually seems to be the critical consensus at this point too, so the whole “at least AEW isn’t as bad as WWE” swipe doesn’t even hold any more. They MIGHT be better than Monday Night Raw and NXT. Who knows? Who cares? And that’s the point. No one fucking cares about any of this shit except for about 10 people here. That’s why wrestling might just need to die. But at the core of it, I’m still an optimist, and I just think BAD wrestling needs to die.

[screech]

So many ignored posts on this page :y:

[Evil Vito]

So many ignored posts on this page :y:

[Evil Vito]

Maybe you should take your passionate hatred for AEW to twitter to let your voice be heard in a way that could make change instead of constantly trying to ruin the enjoyment like 10 people have here discussing the only watchable contemporary Wrestling product.

Truth.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

So many ignored posts on this page :y:

[xrodmuc316]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If you want AEW dead, even though they've upgraded the pay for talent, their security, their travel and the fan experience, because &quot;Cody took a sledgehammer to a throne!!&quot;, I sincerely hope you're 12. I forget Twitter have children on here sometimes.</p>&mdash; Joe (@JoeProWrestling) <a href="https://twitter.com/JoeProWrestling/status/1405224380305641482?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 16, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That's a lie. They have an average of more tickets per show.

WWE has 25 shows, including a bunch of house shows. AEW has no house shows, just TV tapings.

So the average tickets for AEW's few TV tapings is more per show than WWE's 25 shows with a bunch of lower attended house shows bringing the average down.

They are manipulating the narrative to get the outcome they want, like they do with everything else and idiots on Twitter believe it and use it as some soapbox smug battlecry.

[xrodmuc316]

By the way, SmackDown > AEW. That actually seems to be the critical consensus at this point too, so the whole “at least AEW isn’t as bad as WWE” swipe doesn’t even hold any more. They MIGHT be better than Monday Night Raw and NXT. Who knows? Who cares? And that’s the point. No one fucking cares about any of this shit except for about 10 people here. That’s why wrestling might just need to die. But at the core of it, I’m still an optimist, and I just think BAD wrestling needs to die.

They are not better than NXT. Maybe the weekly shows, but NXT has had at least 20 A+ PPVS. AEW has had 2, maybe 3 if you want to count the DON before Dynamite actually started. NXT has a much better track record of good. They have never ha a $20 firework explosion or painted cardboard or overpromising a debut like AEW. Consistently good is better than going into as show knowing it is either but or miss. And a $50 miss is a pretty big miss.

NXT is the unfortunate "other" that AEW's diehards have to rally against. I get it with the whole war and picking sides, but it's almost like a refusal to watch NXT even on a different night because it would be betraying loyalty to AEW somehow.

[slik]

So many ignored posts on this page :y:

Same

:cool:

[Mr. Nerfect]

AEW fans are so insecure about this product being liked that they will share false narratives about it being more successful than it is. These include, but are not limited to:

-AEW selling more tickets than WWE.
-Conflating international and domestic PPVs buys to contrast it with other promotions’ PPV buys.
-“Let us enjoy it!” screams. Did WWE get that luxury? Of course not.
-Ignoring dissenting voices and signalling to other users that you also ignore other people.
-“Don’t watch if you don’t like it!” Again, this is a very modern and very weird stance for wrestling fans to take and bring to a WRESTLING FORUM.
-Attacking and silencing those who don’t like the product.
-“AEW is more popular with young people.” It’s not.
-“AEW is the cool wrestling.” It’s not.
-“At least it’s better than WWE.” It’s not.

[Bad News Gertner]

AEW fans are so insecure about this product being liked that they will share false narratives about it being more successful than it is. These include, but are not limited to:

-AEW selling more tickets than WWE.
-Conflating international and domestic PPVs buys to contrast it with other promotions’ PPV buys.
-“Let us enjoy it!” screams. Did WWE get that luxury? Of course not.
-Ignoring dissenting voices and signalling to other users that you also ignore other people.
-“Don’t watch if you don’t like it!” Again, this is a very modern and very weird stance for wrestling fans to take and bring to a WRESTLING FORUM.
-Attacking and silencing those who don’t like the product.
-“AEW is more popular with young people.” It’s not.
-“AEW is the cool wrestling.” It’s not.
-“At least it’s better than WWE.” It’s not.

[Bad News Gertner]

They are not better than NXT. Maybe the weekly shows, but NXT has had at least 20 A+ PPVS. AEW has had 2, maybe 3 if you want to count the DON before Dynamite actually started. NXT has a much better track record of good. They have never ha a $20 firework explosion or painted cardboard or overpromising a debut like AEW. Consistently good is better than going into as show knowing it is either but or miss. And a $50 miss is a pretty big miss.

NXT is the unfortunate "other" that AEW's diehards have to rally against. I get it with the whole war and picking sides, but it's almost like a refusal to watch NXT even on a different night because it would be betraying loyalty to AEW somehow.

[Bad News Gertner]

By the way, SmackDown > AEW. That actually seems to be the critical consensus at this point too, so the whole “at least AEW isn’t as bad as WWE” swipe doesn’t even hold any more. They MIGHT be better than Monday Night Raw and NXT. Who knows? Who cares? And that’s the point. No one fucking cares about any of this shit except for about 10 people here. That’s why wrestling might just need to die. But at the core of it, I’m still an optimist, and I just think BAD wrestling needs to die.