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I heard it was tpww's #1 cyberbully, Anybody Thrilla!
Curtis I could see some of that talent getting signed by AEW. Lots of potential.
Curtis
09-04-2019, 09:58 PM
I heard it was tpww's #1 cyberbully, Anybody Thrilla!
Curtis I could see some of that talent getting signed by AEW. Lots of potential.
That wasnt my post, I was just making fun of the pictures in the backyard thread.
I guess thats not allowed here.
Triple A
09-04-2019, 09:59 PM
wtf slik why did you merge the backyard posts into this thread
Triple A
09-04-2019, 09:59 PM
come on... big mess now...
can't undo it unless i go through every single post and manually move each one back...
y would you do that.......
Curtis
09-04-2019, 10:03 PM
I dont care about the backyard posts, just got upset my posts got moved here to make it look like I posted those pictures randomly instead of having it "in context" with the backyard thread and wasted half an hour trying to entertain people with captions.
That's what i get for trying to "entertain" people. Fuck everyone
Curtis
09-04-2019, 10:04 PM
#1 rule of life, bullies and assholes ALWAYS win.
Curtis
09-04-2019, 10:10 PM
come on... big mess now...
can't undo it unless i go through every single post and manually move each one back...
y would you do that.......
nvm dont waste your time, someone just wanted to do something nasty to me because they could tell I spent time and effort to try to be "funny" and they wanted to put me down and ruin my day, like my life isn't bad enough already.
I really don't get it. If you are succesfull in life, why do you have the urge to crap on people whose lives suck already and try to put everyone else down who isnt like u.
You should watch ALL ELITE WRESTLING on TNT this fall
You will feel better about your life
Curtis
09-04-2019, 10:20 PM
You should watch ALL ELITE WRESTLING on TNT this fall
You will feel better about your life
Very funny...I spent so much time and effort making captions and its all gone now because I deleted the posts since the mods were trying to make me look like a spammer or something.
You guys win, I'm not succesful in life and not even allowed to try to entertain people online because I'm not "part of the group". Its all the same crap that happened from junior high and up. That's why I barely watch any movies because "the good guy wins" is bs, only the worst assholes ever win. If your not like everybody else, they'll do everything in their effort to destroy you even over tiny little things like making a joke.
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Vastardikai
09-05-2019, 01:27 AM
Chris Jericho: Possessed by the spirit of Brother Love?
Mr. Nerfect
09-05-2019, 05:53 AM
Think slik means in regards to TNT which is true at least going back the last two months on Showbuzz.
During that time frame, they only charted 2 other times in the Top 150 and the cutoff for some weeks went as low as 100k. In regards to new or live stuff, last thing that tracked from TNT was a soccer match that did around 168k but that aired at 8PM.
In terms of 10PM comparisons, Showbuzz stated AEW's special was in the average for viewers and demo numbers.
Yeah, I misread the Showbuzz thing which had them in the orange (which I assume means between average and low). I assumed it was for that time slot, but I think it must just be for that position on the charts. Like, the show in #25 usually does more, or something.
Why would anyone think a last-minute special of rehashed footage, with very little promo, doing almost 400k viewers on a Friday night at 10pm would be a bad thing?
I don't get that, at all.
Because I used a site that measures these things and read the chart? My bad. This one received a fair bit more promotion than the other one. I didn’t even realize it was on, and was optimistic about them at the time. That one getting 190k on WGN was whatever, but this one I know I was aware of. This one I knew about and I’ve largely zoned out of their stuff.
The Weather Channel got 900k in the same slot. And I hear all this stuff about TNT averaging 1.2 million or something in prime time. I had no clue the drop-off would be that immense for 10pm, so when I saw the orange I just assumed.
Mr. Nerfect
09-05-2019, 05:55 AM
I’m predicting 82k domestic buys for All Out.
Simple Fan
09-05-2019, 01:57 PM
The Weather Channel during a hurricane is stiff competition.
#1-norm-fan
09-05-2019, 03:27 PM
I’m sure this has been talked about before but did they really have a 6 team mini-tournament in order to decide who gets a first round bye in another tournament?
So the team who won the first tournament had to wrestle two matches for the right to wrestle one less match.
Emperor Smeat
09-05-2019, 05:45 PM
I’m sure this has been talked about before but did they really have a 6 team mini-tournament in order to decide who gets a first round bye in another tournament?
So the team who won the first tournament had to wrestle two matches for the right to wrestle one less match.
It was pretty convoluted.
If I had to guess AEW probably didn't have enough teams available at the time to do an 8 team tournament and needed a quick storyline excuse for the bye.
Young Bucks and Lucha Bros would have given them 8 but Lucha Bros are not officially signed and also have AAA stuff to take care of. LAX gives them 8 now but at the time it wasn't guaranteed they'd sign with AEW.
Destor
09-06-2019, 01:21 AM
Fuck yr mega thread.
Mr. Nerfect
09-06-2019, 03:55 AM
The Weather Channel during a hurricane is stiff competition.
1. Didn’t realize there was a hurricane. 2. Is it? Is everyone watching the weather during a storm? I don’t think that happens when we get disasters over here. And they affect specific regions.
Mr. Nerfect
09-06-2019, 04:00 AM
Well, my prediction of 82k was a bit ambitious. Looks to have gotten 28k on PPV. They got about half their buys on B/R Live last time. 56k is not a good sign. Last time it went up 11%, but 62k domestic barely beats TNA’s best efforts and is below what ECW used to do, on average.
TNT should help, but there is less interest for this show than the last one. They can’t rest on them being not WWE forever.
Simple Fan
09-06-2019, 12:01 PM
1. Didn’t realize there was a hurricane. 2. Is it? Is everyone watching the weather during a storm? I don’t think that happens when we get disasters over here. And they affect specific regions.
Do you know how big America is? 900k isn't everyone.
Emperor Smeat
09-06-2019, 12:37 PM
Well, my prediction of 82k was a bit ambitious. Looks to have gotten 28k on PPV. They got about half their buys on B/R Live last time. 56k is not a good sign. Last time it went up 11%, but 62k domestic barely beats TNA’s best efforts and is below what ECW used to do, on average.
TNT should help, but there is less interest for this show than the last one. They can’t rest on them being not WWE forever.
Final domestic tally might still end up being close to what DoN generated since the Observer reported that B/R Live numbers were higher than at DoN and the show itself is estimated at having done around 100k overall.
All depends on how much those B/R gains offset traditional PPV losses. Same happened internationally with ITV buys being up but FITE buys being down for this event.
Evil Vito
09-06-2019, 01:41 PM
Also worth noting the potential of people splitting the cost on the show since BR Live allows streaming on two devices
That’s what screech and I have been doing for the $50 shows and I’d assume others are doing the dame
Sepholio
09-06-2019, 02:30 PM
1. Didn’t realize there was a hurricane. 2. Is it? Is everyone watching the weather during a storm? I don’t think that happens when we get disasters over here. And they affect specific regions.
This baffles me. Major disasters get coverage everywhere and this particular storm is the second strongest hurricane on record and just sat on top of a country for 2-3 days and completely destroyed the northern half of it (The Bahamas). You may be the only person online who didn't know there was a hurricane.
And yeah a lot of people will be watching the weather channel. When you have storms like that that are threatening areas with tens of millions of people you tend to want to know if you need to run or not. We've gotten an evac order 3 out of the last 4 years, including for this storm. Pretty much the entire coast from Miami through North Carolina was ordered to evac. I was glued to the weather channel at that point to decide if I was going to try and fight the traffic or if maybe I would risk staying put. Stayed put this time, glad I did. Stayed just outside of the bad part of the storm.
Mr. Nerfect
09-06-2019, 09:25 PM
This baffles me. Major disasters get coverage everywhere and this particular storm is the second strongest hurricane on record and just sat on top of a country for 2-3 days and completely destroyed the northern half of it (The Bahamas). You may be the only person online who didn't know there was a hurricane.
And yeah a lot of people will be watching the weather channel. When you have storms like that that are threatening areas with tens of millions of people you tend to want to know if you need to run or not. We've gotten an evac order 3 out of the last 4 years, including for this storm. Pretty much the entire coast from Miami through North Carolina was ordered to evac. I was glued to the weather channel at that point to decide if I was going to try and fight the traffic or if maybe I would risk staying put. Stayed put this time, glad I did. Stayed just outside of the bad part of the storm.
We have our own natural disasters to worry about here. Still don’t know anyone who watches The Weather Channel. Do yanks really get their evac information from it? Jesus Christ, your country really is a mess.
Mr. Nerfect
09-06-2019, 09:28 PM
Final domestic tally might still end up being close to what DoN generated since the Observer reported that B/R Live numbers were higher than at DoN and the show itself is estimated at having done around 100k overall.
All depends on how much those B/R gains offset traditional PPV losses. Same happened internationally with ITV buys being up but FITE buys being down for this event.
To get 72k domestic buys there would need to be 44k B/R Live buys. That would be over a 20% increase.
xrodmuc316
09-06-2019, 10:02 PM
Well, my prediction of 82k was a bit ambitious. Looks to have gotten 28k on PPV. They got about half their buys on B/R Live last time. 56k is not a good sign. Last time it went up 11%, but 62k domestic barely beats TNA’s best efforts and is below what ECW used to do, on average.
TNT should help, but there is less interest for this show than the last one. They can’t rest on them being not WWE forever.
100% this. AEW is quickly losing its shine.
I do not plan on spending $50 on any more PPVs from AEW unless they REALLY take off. When I can watch it for free weekly, the special attraction feel will be gone.
Plus, let's be honest, valuewise, WWE is $10, that is a far better deal.
Mr. Nerfect
09-06-2019, 11:06 PM
100% this. AEW is quickly losing its shine.
I do not plan on spending $50 on any more PPVs from AEW unless they REALLY take off. When I can watch it for free weekly, the special attraction feel will be gone.
Plus, let's be honest, valuewise, WWE is $10, that is a far better deal.
I was on board with them (hell, I started this thread), but they’ve quickly lost me. I still want them to do well. Wrestling needs something else. I just don’t think it needs Anything Else Wrestling. It’s got too much PWG and feels nostalgic for really weird periods of time. Like early WCW and 99/00 WCW in how it breaks its own reality.
I’ve been worried it’s my cynicism getting in the way, but I watched some of the UK Takeover and loved it. I’m still a wrestling fan somewhere. I just hope this doesn’t ruin anyone else’s chances of getting a huge TV deal if people see this and think “this is a bit silly.”
xrodmuc316
09-07-2019, 04:27 AM
I was on board with them (hell, I started this thread), but they’ve quickly lost me. I still want them to do well. Wrestling needs something else. I just don’t think it needs Anything Else Wrestling. It’s got too much PWG and feels nostalgic for really weird periods of time. Like early WCW and 99/00 WCW in how it breaks its own reality.
I’ve been worried it’s my cynicism getting in the way, but I watched some of the UK Takeover and loved it. I’m still a wrestling fan somewhere. I just hope this doesn’t ruin anyone else’s chances of getting a huge TV deal if people see this and think “this is a bit silly.”
That Walter/Tyler Bate match was brutality at its finest.
Mr. Nerfect
09-07-2019, 01:10 PM
I’ve liked elements of what they’ve done as individuals (moreso WALTER than Bate), but I loved them together. WALTER chopping people always has a place in wrestling.
Droford
09-07-2019, 01:25 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">🚨<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWFullGear?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWFullGear</a> - Match Announcement🚨<br>Saturday, November 9th, 2019 - 7pm Local Start Time<a href="https://twitter.com/RoFoArena?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RoFoArena</a> - Baltimore, MD<br>Jon Moxley vs Kenny Omega<br>Tickets go on sale THIS FRIDAY, September 6th at Noon ET / 9am PT - <a href="https://t.co/UN1cNiJJrQ">https://t.co/UN1cNiJJrQ</a> <a href="https://t.co/20rlpL862S">pic.twitter.com/20rlpL862S</a></p>— All Elite Wrestling (@AEWrestling) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEWrestling/status/1169340204357840896?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 4, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Between this and Cody/Jericho I'm more sold on Full Gear than I was All Out.
Mr. Nerfect
09-07-2019, 01:28 PM
They’re putting on the matches they pulled from fans previously, which is nice. Still have no clue why they scrapped PAC/Page from DON.
Droford
09-07-2019, 01:29 PM
Thought it was cause Pac threw a fit
Mr. Nerfect
09-07-2019, 01:35 PM
Thought it was cause Pac threw a fit
He couldn’t lose, but so what? Apparently the plan was to put him over, anyway. He was supposed to lose to Omega, who is losing and lost to PAC anyway. Protecting Page seems like a weird prerogative too. Just do the match and then not use PAC until he drops the Dragon Gate Title.
It was bad booking. And no one wanted to call it such up front that early. But it was bad booking.
Emperor Smeat
09-07-2019, 08:38 PM
There were also supposedly visa issues going on around the same time causing the PAC situation to become even more of a mess.
Same issues also affected the OWE guys since AEW wanted either more of them to show up or have different tag partners for Cima.
mike adamle
09-08-2019, 12:16 AM
Just getting around to watching All Out. First thing I noticed: Excalibur is so nervous when the camera is on him.
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Lock Jaw
09-09-2019, 01:27 PM
That makes it look like Nyla Rose is teaming with Cody to take on Jeircho/Ambrose
Lock Jaw
09-09-2019, 01:27 PM
Or just fighting Moxley one on one (Wrote Ambrose in previous post because temporarily forgot his name for some reason)
#1-norm-fan
09-09-2019, 04:04 PM
If they go with Nyla Rose as their first women's champion, it's gonna be really weird.
Evil Vito
09-09-2019, 04:28 PM
Why?
Vastardikai
09-09-2019, 04:59 PM
Why?
The "That's a Man!" Section.
#1-norm-fan
09-09-2019, 05:31 PM
A) It’s gonna be viewed as a publicity stunt. Probably rightfully so.
B) In the middle of a “women’s revolution” in wrestling, the idea that a biological male was the best choice to be their first women’s champion is an odd “progressive” statement to make. It’s great for trans women but also makes a bit of an odd progressive statement in a physical, albeit scripted, sport where a biological male would have a HUGE advantage over a biological female.
There’s a lot to unpack with the situation.
That being said, as I said earlier in the thread, if she goes full heel and basically just crushes the competition while telling them “I was born better” with a wink and a nod, it would be fucking awesome and whoever dethrones her would be made. 0% chance that happens though.
Vastardikai
09-09-2019, 05:46 PM
A) It’s gonna be viewed as a publicity stunt. Probably rightfully so.
B) In the middle of a “women’s revolution” in wrestling, the idea that a biological male was the best choice to be their first women’s champion is an odd “progressive” statement to make. It’s great for trans women but also makes a bit of an odd progressive statement in a physical, albeit scripted, sport where a biological male would have a HUGE advantage over a biological female.
There’s a lot to unpack with the situation.
That being said, as I said earlier in the thread, if she goes full heel and basically just crushes the competition while telling them “I was born better” with a wink and a nod, it would be fucking awesome and whoever dethrones her would be made. 0% chance that happens though.
It is not like they are throwing a dress on one of their clownshoes talent like a la Santino Marella or Harvey Wgippleman and giving him the belt. There is a difference between "Joe-Ann" Janella as women's champion and Nyla Rose as such. One is a guy in a dress winning a belt to make fun of the idea of Transgender women and the other is Transgender.
Sepholio
09-09-2019, 05:58 PM
Everything Fan said there is pretty accurate. Like it or not, athletics of any kind is the one area where being transgender has a very noticeable impact. There's a distinct reason why this is the most commonly discussed aspect of the transgender issue. People aren't blind to what's happening in a lot of competitions right now and the controversy over it is building fairly rapidly.
Men who transition to women have a distinct advantage over other women in competition at a base level. But if you decide that people have to compete as their birth sex, then a different issue arises. Women transitioning to men who are competing against other women would have a huge advantage from testosterone therapy. There are a lot of different issues here and no easy way to solve them.
Sepholio
09-09-2019, 06:02 PM
Fans hypothetical scenario would also absolutely be the most incredible way to work this angle too. But he's also right that it will never happen. The optics and publicity if they did it would be BRUTAL and there is no way in hell they risk that, especially this early in the game. Imagine all the shit flinging about "AEW BLATANTLY SAYS MEN ARE BETTER THAN WOMEN!!!!!". Hoooooo boy.
Damian Rey 2.0
09-09-2019, 06:05 PM
I think it's pretty clear they're gonna crown Rose champ. And I'm guessing it's gonna be a squash.
#1-norm-fan
09-09-2019, 06:15 PM
Right. I’m not saying the idea is a joke ala a jobber in drag winning a women’s title. I’m speaking strictly about the idea that she would basically be using the physical advantage of being a biological male to top all women as the first women’s champion. And it’s odd that it would be looked at as this huge milestone for trans women while there’s this elephant in the room of “No shit, a trans woman beat the shit out of a bunch of biological women. She was born a fucking man.” Especially in this “women’s revolution” era.
Sepholio
09-09-2019, 06:26 PM
I think that their long game is to crown her the first women's champion, obv make someone a star off of her, but then to have Nyla win one of the other championships to further validate her and the other women by proxy.
Mr. Nerfect
09-09-2019, 07:33 PM
I know #fan isn’t being intentionally disrespectful or anything, and I understand the PR stunt perspective, but the whole “trans women are biologically male” take is quite out-dated, not scientific and not going to get airplay by too many outside the transphobes. Trans women are women.
It is going to be seen as a publicity stunt though, and it’s naive to think it’s not, because we don’t even know if Nyla is good yet. That being said, as far as PR stunts go, whatever. It’s promoting. They’re going after some goodwill from progressive audiences. It wouldn’t be an issue if she wasn’t the first.
I’m just wondering how this is any different from WWE’s treatment of women though. My biggest issue with them is lots of tell, not much show.
#1-norm-fan
09-09-2019, 09:56 PM
I know #fan isn’t being intentionally disrespectful or anything, and I understand the PR stunt perspective, but the whole “trans women are biologically male” take is quite out-dated, not scientific and not going to get airplay by too many outside the transphobes.
Well, it’s absolutely scientific. Trans women are biologically male and thus have an advantage physically. We can discuss whether it matters or not but if you’re gonna argue it’s “not scientific “, we’ve got a long way to go before we get there.
mike adamle
09-09-2019, 10:48 PM
Noid pulling a Trump here
Mr. Nerfect
09-10-2019, 01:15 AM
Biology is not the dichotomy people generalize it as and is far more complicated than male/female. It’s not just about what junk you have either. There is also how your brain is wired. We understand now that some people are born with “female” brains despite having what you’d call “male” anatomy. What you’re talking about is assigned sex. It’s a set of assumptions that I think you’ll find many (most?) in the scientific community steer clear of now.
It’s not just a gender vs. sex or feelings vs. science thing. We’re learning more about how complicated “biological” sex is all the time, and it’s not something that is perceived as a binary anymore.
That’s got nothing to do with the wrestling psychology aspect of it though. I honestly don’t think much about trans people in sport, because I don’t think much about sport. The smart people I know who are into that shit think it’s bullshit they are excluded or it’s assumed they have an advantage. Off the top of my head, it’s stuff like mentality and how they’ve trained their bodies to be more “womanly,” because of that struggle, so it’s not like a man straight ahead plowing forward. In some sports, the assumption that men have an advantage is often overblown too.
Not sure about wrestling, lol. Personally, I’d use the trans stuff to build up a heel for her to knock down. A bitch heel like a Scarlett Bordeaux could be a real piece of shit and protest her having the belt. No way they’d do that.
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Droford
09-10-2019, 03:52 AM
I think it's pretty clear they're gonna crown Rose champ. And I'm guessing it's gonna be a squash.
Riho beat her before though.
Evil Vito
09-10-2019, 09:52 AM
AEW also aren’t masturbating themselves about hiring a transwoman like WWE would be.
Ol Dirty Dastard
09-10-2019, 10:02 AM
Biology is not the dichotomy people generalize it as and is far more complicated than male/female. It’s not just about what junk you have either. There is also how your brain is wired. We understand now that some people are born with “female” brains despite having what you’d call “male” anatomy. What you’re talking about is assigned sex. It’s a set of assumptions that I think you’ll find many (most?) in the scientific community steer clear of now.
It’s not just a gender vs. sex or feelings vs. science thing. We’re learning more about how complicated “biological” sex is all the time, and it’s not something that is perceived as a binary anymore.
That’s got nothing to do with the wrestling psychology aspect of it though. I honestly don’t think much about trans people in sport, because I don’t think much about sport. The smart people I know who are into that shit think it’s bullshit they are excluded or it’s assumed they have an advantage. Off the top of my head, it’s stuff like mentality and how they’ve trained their bodies to be more “womanly,” because of that struggle, so it’s not like a man straight ahead plowing forward. In some sports, the assumption that men have an advantage is often overblown too.
Not sure about wrestling, lol. Personally, I’d use the trans stuff to build up a heel for her to knock down. A bitch heel like a Scarlett Bordeaux could be a real piece of shit and protest her having the belt. No way they’d do that.
You are actually such a fucking idiot.
#1-norm-fan
09-10-2019, 03:46 PM
Honestly didn't think the fact that generally, biological males have a physical advantage over biological females would be a point of contention. Usually the "trans women should be able to compete in sports with women" crowd don't even use that as a reason.
Kinda distracts from my main point anyway which is that it's gonna be weird, in an era where wrestling is trying to hype female wrestling as on-par with male wrestling, a woman is likely to win their women's title because she was born a man. And it would be awesome if they factored it into the story but instead they'll be having to ignore the elephant in the room for the sake of not offending anyone and that's just gonna make it more weird.
#1-norm-fan
09-10-2019, 03:55 PM
And Noid, I could have sworn I've seen you discuss Cornette's issue with women not fighting men in wrestling and you sided with him, did you not? If you don't agree that there are physical advantages to being born a male then what would be the problem with men fighting women?
Damian Rey 2.0
09-10-2019, 04:09 PM
Joe Rogan had a good take on this. There was a transgender destroying women in mma. She lost eventually. But it's pretty daft to argue that a transgender woman, born with higher bone density, and testosterone, doesn't have a physical advantage. They absolutely do.
Mr. Nerfect
09-10-2019, 07:59 PM
Joe Rogan had a good take on this. There was a transgender destroying women in mma. She lost eventually. But it's pretty daft to argue that a transgender woman, born with higher bone density, and testosterone, doesn't have a physical advantage. They absolutely do.
Lol, testosterone is overrated and isn’t what people think it is. And Joe Rogan doesn’t have a good take on anything.
And Noid, I could have sworn I've seen you discuss Cornette's issue with women not fighting men in wrestling and you sided with him, did you not? If you don't agree that there are physical advantages to being born a male then what would be the problem with men fighting women?
You’re putting a lot of straw in that scarecrow. I don’t agree that men should beat up women, no. There are a whole bunch of social reasons I think that is a shitty thing to promote. Absolutely none of that has anything to do trans women wrestling women. Nice try. :p
Honestly didn't think the fact that generally, biological males have a physical advantage over biological females would be a point of contention. Usually the "trans women should be able to compete in sports with women" crowd don't even use that as a reason.
Kinda distracts from my main point anyway which is that it's gonna be weird, in an era where wrestling is trying to hype female wrestling as on-par with male wrestling, a woman is likely to win their women's title because she was born a man. And it would be awesome if they factored it into the story but instead they'll be having to ignore the elephant in the room for the sake of not offending anyone and that's just gonna make it more weird.
Well, I’m not actually even talking about that. I’m just saying that it’s shitty to think of Nyla as a “biological male” and explained why. Don’t make me do your Google searches for you. And as I said, I know you weren’t deliberately being disrespectful. Most people probably don’t think on this stuff much. But the information is out there.
Transgenderism isn’t a case of a dude deciding he wants to be a she. Saying someone is “biologically male” makes a whole bunch of assumptions that you don’t know about her — her body, her bones, her chromosones, her brain. That’s all “biology.” I’m not even putting this isn’t a wrestling context. It’s just outmoded terminology. And that’s not “PC culture” or whatever. There is scientific information underlying all of this. I don’t think you’ll find too many people in the medical profession who will think of trans women as “formerly biologically male.”
In a wrestling context, I’d just compare it to Brian Lee always having an advantage over Kurt Angle. Right? Men shouldn’t fight women, and generally speaking there are assumptions you can make about size and “bone density.” But that’s not a given when you’re talking about specific freak athletes, especially ones with a trans background.
I’m not sure what Dale said, but I’m sure it was useless.
Mr. Nerfect
09-10-2019, 08:00 PM
On a more interesting note, All Out buys were down about 20,000. Not great feedback.
Sepholio
09-10-2019, 08:33 PM
Hot damn this is some of the utmost ignorant signaling I have ever laid eyes on. You could repost Noids takes here on social media and go viral off that shit show.
Sepholio
09-10-2019, 08:33 PM
I don't think men should be able to hit women until after the surgery.
Sepholio
09-10-2019, 08:37 PM
Hey guys can somebody tell me what level of woke this is?
Mr. Nerfect
09-10-2019, 08:47 PM
Yes, signalling. Because I want #1-wwf-fan and Dastardly Dale to love me so much. And all the traffic these boards get. Do you think someone will notice me?
Do yourselves a favor and spend one shit researching this stuff. I’m just saying this shit is more complicated than “Nyla used to be a dude” and that saying “scientifically” is just not the right way to use that word. Scientifically speaking.
Mr. Nerfect
09-10-2019, 08:53 PM
It’s been a while since I looked this up, but I know Planned Parenthood has easy to read articles on this, and I’m fairly certain the World Health Organization too.
Lol, not sure why you’re so angry about it, Seph. What an odd response to have. Is there a reason it bothers you so much?
Mr. Nerfect
09-10-2019, 09:03 PM
If anyone has any scientific evidence to the contrary, I’m happy to read it.
Sepholio
09-10-2019, 09:33 PM
You are making absolutely outrageous claims here. Testosterone isn't a big deal and people don't even know what it is. Suggesting that biological men having a distinct physical advantage over biological women is a myth. Then pretending like this is long decided science, providing no evidence and asking people to not make you google it for them.
Then you come here and ask for people to provide evidence of the contrary to you....
Are you kidding me right now? I'm not the least bit angry about it, just flabbergasted as to how someone could be so daft and condescending at the same time.
Ol Dirty Dastard
09-10-2019, 09:39 PM
Noid, you are a walking-talking stereotype of the woke warriors that LITERALLY the rest of the world laughs at.
Men are stronger than women and it's not a social construct -- they just are. Thicker bone structure and testosterone. It doesn't mean men are superior to women. It just means on average, they're born with a stronger, faster, and more athletic makeup. There's no argument to make against that fact, unless you've been brainwashed in an inane social science class and don't have the capacity to produce your own thoughts.
To think it's a stretch, or even transphobic, to imply someone born a male has a physical strength advantage over those born females is beyond ignorant. It's not being said in a way to dehumanize someone, though that's clearly what you're implying because you're a shitty, judgemental piece of garbage.
TBH though I literally don't care if Nyla is the champ. I think it's fine. Wrestling being wrestling and all. But when it comes to something like MMA, I start worrying about the safety of other competitors.
Ol Dirty Dastard
09-10-2019, 09:41 PM
And I don't hate Fan's idea about the storyline about Nyla's advantage. But my empathy/snowflake-side would feel bad that the only trans-representation in wrestling would be a psychopath using her "biological advantage" to win.
Sepholio
09-10-2019, 09:59 PM
While we're on the topic of men not being inherently physically superior to women, can someone explain to me how a group of teenage boys from the Dallas Boys Academy high school managed to beat the US women's national soccer team (the current world champions) 5-0 in a game? Was that victory a social construct, Noid?
Well, it’s absolutely scientific. Trans women are biologically male and thus have an advantage physically. We can discuss whether it matters or not but if you’re gonna argue it’s “not scientific “, we’ve got a long way to go before we get there.
Absolutely right there are numerous cases recently that have come up where people who were born male and transitioned have been wiping the floor with female athletes and some of them claim to not have a distinct Advantage even though that's just not true. To pretend otherwise is crazy denial
#1-norm-fan
09-10-2019, 10:47 PM
Yes, signalling. Because I want #1-wwf-fan and Dastardly Dale to love me so much. And all the traffic these boards get.
I see that there’s a lot of posts after this that I’ll have to address tomorrow morning but I feel like I just got kicked through the Barbershop window. Damn.
Mr. Nerfect
09-11-2019, 12:16 AM
I’ve never used the phrase “social construct.” You are literally making that up and doing some hard projecting. Gender is a social construct, but we’re not even talking gender, we’re talking “scientifically biologically male.” Scientifically she is a woman. My only gripe here is the word “scientifically.”
I’m not advocating for intergender wrestling. But trans women wrestling is not intergender. Trans women don’t necessarily have the same physical advantages as males generally might just because they were assigned male status at birth. Were they developed? Did they have abnormally low testosterone? Are they naturally small? Non-confrontational? Do they have other health issues or lingering injuries? You can cherry-pick anecdotes all you want. What about the trans girl who gets obliterated?
Trans women are women. Just because they used to be thought of as men doesn’t mean they used to be giant rough and tumble dudes who could definitely kick a woman fighter’s ass. Could they have been? Maybe. Maybe not though too.
I knew this would go down this route, but to go back to my original point: It’s not scientifically accurate to say that Nyla Rose was scientifically male. That might be good enough for some people, and it might even be good enough for her, but that’s just way too fixed a statement given what we know about transgenderism, the brain and sexual development in 2019. She may have always been a woman.
I know what #fan’s point was, and I don’t even disagree with it, it’s just that wording and the plastering of “scientifically” over complicated issues of identity and biology. And I don’t think it’s a semantic issue, because it leaves so much out. I know trans people who don’t celebrate their birthday because they are so distant from that association. They *weren’t* that person. Scientifically, they existed. Maybe the best way to explain it is alignment. There is no scientific guarantee that a trans person was aligned with their assigned sex, mentally, emotionally or physically. That’s all.
And it’s not outrageous to say what I said about testosterone. People use it euphemistically like it’s a power level. Drinking soy milk will not make you weak. Anything in the normal range for testosterone is fine.
Mr. Nerfect
09-11-2019, 12:20 AM
I see that there’s a lot of posts after this that I’ll have to address tomorrow morning but I feel like I just got kicked through the Barbershop window. Damn.
Well, okay, but maybe I was lying about you. I do care. :kiss:
For the record I know you were not being a jerk or anything. And I know you don’t think you were, lol. I’m not about to start screaming about you being transphobic or anything. It’s just something I’ve had to learn about. You might think it’s a crock of shit and not important, but in my experience it is, and you’re a smart guy, so I didn’t think it was a waste of time either.
Mr. Nerfect
09-11-2019, 12:22 AM
I really want to talk about this buyrate. I haven’t been thrilled with some of the philosophical decisions of AEW, but I didn’t expect the number to go down. Thought it would be up slightly.
Destor
09-11-2019, 12:29 AM
Memeber that time Serena Williams, ranked 1st in the world (womens) played Karsten Baasch, ranked 203rd in the world (mens,) at the Australian open and he decimated her while openly drinking?
In hindsight her msistake was she didnt identify properly. Social constructs holding woman back.
Mr. Nerfect
09-11-2019, 01:36 AM
Memeber that time Serena Williams, ranked 1st in the world (womens) played Karsten Baasch, ranked 203rd in the world (mens,) at the Australian open and he decimated her while openly drinking?
In hindsight her msistake was she didnt identify properly. Social constructs holding woman back.
Again with the social construct thing. I had no clue Karsten Baasch was trans.
Mr. Nerfect
09-11-2019, 01:50 AM
Or Serena Williams, for that matter.
Fignuts
09-11-2019, 02:01 AM
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Mr. Nerfect
09-11-2019, 02:07 AM
She hasn’t really had a chance, to be fair. I don’t like how she’s been booked. Too many multi-person matches.
#1-norm-fan
09-11-2019, 02:40 AM
You’re putting a lot of straw in that scarecrow. I don’t agree that men should beat up women, no. There are a whole bunch of social reasons I think that is a shitty thing to promote. Absolutely none of that has anything to do trans women wrestling women. Nice try. :p.
What are the top 2 or 3 social reasons? If I’m straw-manning this shit, please feel free to correct me.
Sepholio
09-11-2019, 03:22 AM
lol at the assertion we weren't talking about gender Noid. When we are talking about transGENDER people. Theres just so much to break down in that post up there, I don't even know where to start, really.
M2F transgender athletes are increasingly being crowned champions in multiple women's sports, including but not limited to: Weight lifting, track and field and cycling. Men who identify as female but are still biologically male are even being allowed to enter into women's competition at this point and are winning. Some of these athletes will be competing in the Olympics next year. But since men supposedly aren't physically superior on a base level we should see the same trend in the opposite direction, with F2M trans athletes doing well in mens sports. Shocker though, they aren't.
You keep going on about testosterone not being a big deal, but now with the caveat of it being in normal levels. News flash, biological males have a much higher normal amount of it than females do. It's one of the reasons why men have a physical advantage. And when a male transitions to female and that level of testosterone is brought down to normal levels for a female it does not remove the YEARS of physical benefits the higher level of T brought to them as a male. It is absolutely outrageous to claim what you are about testosterone, there is a very distinct reason it is so highly monitored in athletics. Because it is a power level and it's over 9000 whether you like it or not.
How someone feels, or identifies, or aligns at any given point in their life is a part of their gender, but it is not the only part. The physical biology matters. Someone can be born feeling female from day one but be biologically male and reap all the benefits from that. Identity may be an extremely complicated topic, but biology is not nearly so. To suggest Nyla Rose may have been a woman since birth is ridiculous. She wasn't. She was physically born a male. Facts don't care about your feelings or hers or anyone elses.
You come off as someone whos heart is absolutely in the right place but it's making you commit to some really strange arguments.
Sepholio
09-11-2019, 03:26 AM
I wish there was a way to tell how many people streamed AEW by less than savory means. Still think it would be way more telling at this point. They are seriously pricing themselves out of a lot of people who would buy into it.
Mr. Nerfect
09-11-2019, 07:37 AM
What are the top 2 or 3 social reasons? If I’m straw-manning this shit, please feel free to correct me.
I think promoting violence between men and women is irresponsible since it’s supposed to be presented as a fight. I’m not saying most men don’t usually have a few pounds on most women or dismissing domestic violence as an issue. I am disputing that Nyla Rose used to “scientifically” be a man. You might have thought of her as one, but the issue is far more intricate than big, burly dude with angry brain becomes big-boned woman.
It’s just dicey to say that trans women used to be “scientifically” male. It’s way too much of a box and just a set of assumptions that science doesn’t make anymore just because someone had a Hogan instead of a Terry down there.
lol at the assertion we weren't talking about gender Noid. When we are talking about transGENDER people. Theres just so much to break down in that post up there, I don't even know where to start, really.
M2F transgender athletes are increasingly being crowned champions in multiple women's sports, including but not limited to: Weight lifting, track and field and cycling. Men who identify as female but are still biologically male are even being allowed to enter into women's competition at this point and are winning. Some of these athletes will be competing in the Olympics next year. But since men supposedly aren't physically superior on a base level we should see the same trend in the opposite direction, with F2M trans athletes doing well in mens sports. Shocker though, they aren't.
You keep going on about testosterone not being a big deal, but now with the caveat of it being in normal levels. News flash, biological males have a much higher normal amount of it than females do. It's one of the reasons why men have a physical advantage. And when a male transitions to female and that level of testosterone is brought down to normal levels for a female it does not remove the YEARS of physical benefits the higher level of T brought to them as a male. It is absolutely outrageous to claim what you are about testosterone, there is a very distinct reason it is so highly monitored in athletics. Because it is a power level and it's over 9000 whether you like it or not.
How someone feels, or identifies, or aligns at any given point in their life is a part of their gender, but it is not the only part. The physical biology matters. Someone can be born feeling female from day one but be biologically male and reap all the benefits from that. Identity may be an extremely complicated topic, but biology is not nearly so. To suggest Nyla Rose may have been a woman since birth is ridiculous. She wasn't. She was physically born a male. Facts don't care about your feelings or hers or anyone elses.
You come off as someone whos heart is absolutely in the right place but it's making you commit to some really strange arguments.
Well, to start, a lot of trans people are moving away from “transgender” as a label. It’s not that it is offensive, but some prefer transitioning away from gender or away from binaries altogether, and it doesn’t describe the biological stuff that is going on.
If we are talking gender, then it’s a false point to bring up her assigned sex anyway. If you’re talking about gender, drop the sex stuff, if you’re talking about sex, then her gender has got nothing to do with it.
Are they? It seems like every time a trans woman wins anything it’s major news. The list of famous trans athletes is relatively small. Are they cropping up at a consistent rate as other trans people, or is this a “vaccinations cause autism” type point. Maybe our diagnoses are getting better?
Trans women would hold a lot more records if they had a blanket advantage. A lot reduce their testosterone and take other hormonal supplements. Is being bigger and stronger going to help? Of course. No one is saying that, you’ve flown off the handle making up things. I’m saying that many trans women work hard to alter elements of their biology, which *can* negate certain advantages at certain times in certain sports.
Why do you think the Olympics are letting trans athletes compete? Think about it.
Do you have any evidence to suggest that trans women are being crowned champions in sport at a disproportionate rate to their success in business, music or even just their rate of transition? By that I mean is there an even split between trans men and trans women? If there were, say, more trans women than trans men, wouldn’t you expect there to be an outstanding number of trans women athletes comparatively? Also, there are trans men who achieve in the sporting field. I think your alarm is dramatic.
Lol, I brought up testosterone once and said that it “isn’t what people think it is.” You read into that because, like it or not, your argument is emotive. Are you really saying you are more qualified to comment on this more than the actual experts that, at worst (for my point), split on this? Until you have evidence to suggest that definitively that what you are saying is true, I’m going to call bullshit.
And...that’s not even the fucking point! I wasn’t talking about men in shoot sports allegedly taking all the cool spots, I’m talking about a woman worker, who, yes, should be making it look real, but is in a worked position. I’m fine with trans women in sports, but I’m fine if they addressed the “hysteria” too. Given how easily guys get their panties in a twist about it though, it’s obviously why they shouldn’t.
Ol Dirty Dastard
09-11-2019, 09:17 AM
lol
Mr. Nerfect
09-11-2019, 10:49 AM
I wish there was a way to tell how many people streamed AEW by less than savory means. Still think it would be way more telling at this point. They are seriously pricing themselves out of a lot of people who would buy into it.
Probably 20% less than last time. Interest seems lower across the board really consistently. The UK seems to be up, but everything in NA seems to be down 20% or so.
The price could be damaging, but I actually would pay $50 for wrestling if I knew I was going to love it. I just can’t philosophically go in on All Elite and some of their goofy WWE-style stuff.
Jordan
09-11-2019, 11:13 AM
Streamers gonna stream. I used to do it. I don't have to now so I don't.
Emperor Smeat
09-11-2019, 04:08 PM
I wish there was a way to tell how many people streamed AEW by less than savory means. Still think it would be way more telling at this point. They are seriously pricing themselves out of a lot of people who would buy into it.
If I had to guess, probably as high as 25% to a third of what All Out generated assuming it stays around 100k.
The percentage that watch illegal streams of WWE events is likely a lot lower mainly due to WWE working with a lot higher numbers on average for shows and the Network spiking those numbers.
#1-norm-fan
09-11-2019, 06:07 PM
I think promoting violence between men and women is irresponsible since it’s supposed to be presented as a fight. I’m not saying most men don’t usually have a few pounds on most women or dismissing domestic violence as an issue. I am disputing that Nyla Rose used to “scientifically” be a man.
She’s a trans woman. What did she transition from, a potato?
She was born with a Y chromosome and her body developed as a male. Even though you downplayed it, you admitted that there are generally differences between men and women physically. You acknowledge gender labels and then back off when it gets uncomfortable. I get you’re trying to be ultra safe and not offend with “labels” but when it prevents you from having an honest discussion, back up and find a middle ground.
Mr. Nerfect
09-11-2019, 06:58 PM
She’s a trans woman. What did she transition from, a potato?
She was born with a Y chromosome and her body developed as a male. Even though you downplayed it, you admitted that there are generally differences between men and women physically. You acknowledge gender labels and then back off when it gets uncomfortable. I get you’re trying to be ultra safe and not offend with “labels” but when it prevents you from having an honest discussion, back up and find a middle ground.
I don’t know how her brain and body were working, so I don’t know. I don’t know why a potato would wish to transfer into being a human when they’ve already got it made.
Her brain or body may have always had “female” qualities. We just don’t know that much about her. Did her body develop as a male? Did her mind? She may have developed in some ways as a woman which has encouraged her “transition.” My point isn’t so much about labels as the complexities of identities — mental and physical — and how that shapes us.
Nyla might very well be like “Yeah, I used to be a dude.” And that is fine. It may or may not be true. When dealing with trans people and trans issues, it’s just way too hard to go back and talk about concrete black and white, especially since we’re learning more about how biological sex is much murkier than the binary we’ve always thought of it as.
Nothing about what you said struck me as offensive or anything. It’s just that word “scientifically.” It’s seriously just that word, because I think it makes too many assumptions about who Nyla used to be and how her shit worked. She was identified as male, maybe even identified herself as male, but I think it’s too rigid to say she was scientifically male. And frankly irrelevant (not that you were playing up it’s relevance as anything more than curiosity).
She may have been a male, sex-wise or gender-wise, but it might be murkier than that. That’s all I’m saying.
Damian Rey 2.0
09-12-2019, 03:57 AM
She was born a man. That is scientifically factual. Her body didn't have "female qualities". She was born a man. She grew up with the bone density and testosterone levels of a man. She's a woman now. But that does not reverse the 18-20 yrs she spent in life as a man, with a man's body and a man's genetic makeup.
Sepholio
09-12-2019, 09:14 AM
I don’t know why a potato would wish to transfer into being a human when they’ve already got it made.
Ol Dirty Dastard
09-12-2019, 09:57 AM
Scientifically, Noid is a fucknut
Damian Rey 2.0
09-12-2019, 01:21 PM
Easily one of the weirdest arguments I've ever seen.
Mr. Nerfect
09-14-2019, 02:34 AM
She was born a man. That is scientifically factual. Her body didn't have "female qualities". She was born a man. She grew up with the bone density and testosterone levels of a man. She's a woman now. But that does not reverse the 18-20 yrs she spent in life as a man, with a man's body and a man's genetic makeup.
Prove it. Scientifically.
Simple Fan
09-14-2019, 03:32 AM
He just did. You can't be that much in denial. She was "scientifically" born a man. You are hung on the mental aspect of her transition which itself isn't scientifically proven.
Like everyone else I'm not sure how her transition went but I'm not against her being the AEW Women's World Championship eventually, I don't think they should lead with her though.
Mr. Nerfect
09-14-2019, 08:21 AM
He just did. You can't be that much in denial. She was "scientifically" born a man. You are hung on the mental aspect of her transition which itself isn't scientifically proven.
Like everyone else I'm not sure how her transition went but I'm not against her being the AEW Women's World Championship eventually, I don't think they should lead with her though.
Saying something isn’t proving it. I like my science concrete and demonstrable. Some things about Nyla are concrete. We know she is trans. We know that she was assigned male sex at birth. But we don’t know her testosterone levels, how her chromosomes are like or how her brain developed. We just don’t. And to me it’s unimportant, and I think it is to #fan too, but I’m just saying that to categorically and declaratively state “Nyla Rose was scientifically a male” is a step too far with assuming the things we don’t know.
We know gender is constructed, right? But we’re also learning that a lot of biological stuff is more fluid than we thought too. I don’t think it’s scientifically correct to say that biological sex is a binary anymore. Some trans people do align their bodies to match their identified gender. This could very well be the case with Nyla. I just don’t think it’s fair to say that’s concrete since, like you just said, you don’t know. It’s too reductive to say that happens 100% of the time in 100% of cases.
If the wording was like something like “their first Women’s Champion was someone that was assigned male status” I’d be like “yeah, that’s true.” From what I know, she was. She’s probably lived male experiences. I don’t know that. I wasn’t there. I know she’s Native American, and some tribes have had “two-spirit” people. I’m not sure how she grew up and how her environmental development was. But we don’t have a complete phenotype, and even if she were phenotypically male and that were scientifically true, I don’t think it’s the right wording to say she was “scientifically” a male. That’s just too...unspecific and broad, even if I knew what #fan meant and it wasn’t offensive.
Like, a painting of a tree is scientifically “a tree.” Look at it, it’s a tree. It’s not the same thing as it being a conifer. Or it having actual roots in the ground. Or it also being made of paint. Or it being comprised of shapes. Or is it even a tree? Maybe it’s a painting of a photo of a tree? Maybe the artist did paint a tree and it’s supposed to be a tree and the artwork is called “Tree.” Whatever. That’s cool. But to see that painting, have no more information and to say “scientifically that is a tree.” Is it? It depends. It may be in how it is perceived and described by people, but it’s not botanically.
In this scenario, I’m not accusing #fan of trying to tell me that it’s a botanical tree. He’s just telling me that scientifically it’s a tree. And it might be. It probably is. I’m just saying that there is probably a better word than “scientifically.”
If #1-wwf-fan said that Nyla Rose was probably phenotypically male, I’d totally agree with that, with the caveat that I am still assuming and whatever. It’s just that concrete, blanket “scientifically.” #fan probably didn’t think twice about it, and I know the point he was making wasn’t shitty, so I actually didn’t want that to be the purpose of my post, it was just an added aside in a fun-spirited way — “I agree with everything but...” If I were peer-reviewing #fan’s work, I’d probably catch the wording and note it “awk.” But these are wrestling boards, so whatever. I’m actually pretty sure #fan wouldn’t use that word writing a hypothetical paper because it wasn’t part of his point.
Mr. Nerfect
09-14-2019, 08:34 AM
What would everyone’s thoughts on Cryme Tyme being Jericho’s partners? Or Shad Gaspard & Muhammad Hassan? They’ve just released a comic book together. Shad & JTG did a video claiming they “stole” the AEW World Title. I assume they want in.
They never thrilled me in the ring and they were presented as too much of an OTT gimmick, but there’s no doubt that they were super-charismatic guys, with some size to them too.
Ol Dirty Dastard
09-14-2019, 09:01 AM
#science
Evil Vito
09-14-2019, 11:32 AM
What would everyone’s thoughts on Cryme Tyme being Jericho’s partners? Or Shad Gaspard & Muhammad Hassan? They’ve just released a comic book together. Shad & JTG did a video claiming they “stole” the AEW World Title. I assume they want in.
They never thrilled me in the ring and they were presented as too much of an OTT gimmick, but there’s no doubt that they were super-charismatic guys, with some size to them too.
JTG in particular really bulked up. I saw him at WrestleCon and was floored by how huge he was considering he always looked like one of the smallest guys on the roster in WWE.
That said, I don't know if AEW is going to add even more teams just yet. Jericho's partners are almost assuredly going to be LAX.
Damian Rey 2.0
09-14-2019, 01:29 PM
Prove it. Scientifically.
Prove that she was a man? The fact that she's transgender, as in transitioned from one gender to her current, is proof. Why are you so bad at this?
Damian Rey 2.0
09-14-2019, 01:32 PM
Lmao "assigned" gender as if the doctor is sitting there trying to decide what declare. Nyla was born wth a penis. She's built like a man. She wasn't assigned her gender by a doctor. She was biologically born a male, with male genitalia. Whether or not she ever felt like a man, or identified as one, is irrelevant. Regardless of how she felt, she was born a man. She wasn't assigned to that gender group as if she was being picked for a team to play dodgeball on.
“Assigned Male Status” is one of the weirdest phrases I have ever heard. That said, I’ve not taken the time that Noid has to research/understand the innumerable complexities of the transgender individual.
Ol Dirty Dastard
09-14-2019, 04:05 PM
“Assigned Male Status” is one of the weirdest phrases I have ever heard. That said, I’ve not taken the time that Noid has to research/understand the innumerable complexities of the transgender individual.
Well, that's because you aren't a complete fucking idiot.
This hot take was brought to you by #Science.
Simple Fan
09-14-2019, 04:39 PM
Noids thought process is amazing, how in the hell he went from trans people to trees I'll never know. At least now we all know that if a painting of a tree is actually a painting of a photo of a tree than it's not scientifically a tree.
Like, a painting of a tree is scientifically “a tree.” Look at it, it’s a tree. It’s not the same thing as it being a conifer. Or it having actual roots in the ground. Or it also being made of paint. Or it being comprised of shapes. Or is it even a tree? Maybe it’s a painting of a photo of a tree? Maybe the artist did paint a tree and it’s supposed to be a tree and the artwork is called “Tree.” Whatever. That’s cool. But to see that painting, have no more information and to say “scientifically that is a tree.” Is it? It depends. It may be in how it is perceived and described by people, but it’s not botanically.
Ultra Mantis
09-14-2019, 05:20 PM
From a purely scientific standpoint, if Noid were to transition into a potato, his post quality would dramatically increase.
Mr. Nerfect
09-14-2019, 09:02 PM
Prove that she was a man? The fact that she's transgender, as in transitioned from one gender to her current, is proof. Why are you so bad at this?
Some trans people don’t identify with a fixed gender. Plenty of non-binary trans people. But we’re not talking about constructed gender here.
Lmao "assigned" gender as if the doctor is sitting there trying to decide what declare. Nyla was born wth a penis. She's built like a man. She wasn't assigned her gender by a doctor. She was biologically born a male, with male genitalia. Whether or not she ever felt like a man, or identified as one, is irrelevant. Regardless of how she felt, she was born a man. She wasn't assigned to that gender group as if she was being picked for a team to play dodgeball on.
Plenty of women with penises, my dude. Not all the information about what is happening to someone is obvious and observable at birth. Assigning sex is totally a thing.
https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/sexual-orientation-gender/gender-gender-identity
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_assignment
“Assigned Male Status” is one of the weirdest phrases I have ever heard. That said, I’ve not taken the time that Noid has to research/understand the innumerable complexities of the transgender individual.
It’s definitely a weird-sounding term if you aren’t used to it. Most people don’t think about this sort of stuff, because they don’t really need to. It’s only a small percentage of people it applies to and what ever. Normally you can differentiate sex based on phenotypical information. It’s just a small asterisk that hey, you can’t always 100%. Listen to how people like Rey are talking like they were actually in the room or watched Nyla grow up. It’s kind of pervasive, without meaning to be. And they’re so angry about it. So many people insist the existence of Nyla’s penis. And putting up your hand and saying “yo, it’s not necessarily like that” gets you ridiculed. No evidence to the contrary. The best point raised so far is “she’s transgender, so she must have been something else first.” A trick of words, not science.
I don’t know when she started transitioning. I don’t know when she realized “I am a woman.” I don’t know if she ever felt comfortable being called a male, or if it was always something her brain — real fucking scientific synapses — always rejected. I don’t need to. I’m not the one saying she scientifically used to be male. The onus is on the hypothesis to be provable.
When in the second grade, XL had an awkward experience with a girl. I don’t know this. I’m guessing based on what I know about growing up. It’s probable that you did at some point that year. I’ve been very unspecific as to what they experience is. It’s not scientific though. And if you came back and said “Actually, nah, it was a great year and nothing like that happened,” should I be completely shocked? And should I be so goddamn mad that you’re not making it so fucking simple for me. You wrote a book called “My Awkward Young Years” for crying out loud.
I dunno, it seems simple to me. Biological sex is sometimes, not always, more complicated than a binary. Gender is constructed, but sex is determined. That is determined by genealogical and environmental factors. Those factors are fact, but they don’t mean any assumption built off them is fact. If Nyla weighted 230lbs, that is a fact. Nyla weights 230lbs because she likes cheese sandwiches is an assumption until you know she’s 230lbs because she eats cheese sandwiches.
Noids thought process is amazing, how in the hell he went from trans people to trees I'll never know. At least now we all know that if a painting of a tree is actually a painting of a photo of a tree than it's not scientifically a tree.
Fan, you are literally a nationalist piece of shit that doesn’t understand why someone would care about what happens to someone else in another part of the world. And you’re an Eli Drake fan. You have no input as to anything ever. You’ve struggled with what analogies are before too.
Mr. Nerfect
09-14-2019, 09:04 PM
JTG in particular really bulked up. I saw him at WrestleCon and was floored by how huge he was considering he always looked like one of the smallest guys on the roster in WWE.
That said, I don't know if AEW is going to add even more teams just yet. Jericho's partners are almost assuredly going to be LAX.
He did always look small in WWE. I always wondered if that was, in part, because he was standing next to Shad. He was billed as being something like 230lbs. May not be his shoot weight, but way bigger than I used to think of him as.
Innovator
09-14-2019, 09:17 PM
We need more wars
Mr. Nerfect
09-14-2019, 10:02 PM
Here’s an easy to read article that puts things succinctly, for those of you who like to read: https://www.nature.com/news/sex-redefined-1.16943
Damian Rey 2.0
09-14-2019, 10:05 PM
Yes Noid. She's an intersex. Just like about .05-.07% of the population.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex#Population_figures
Perhaps you'd like to read, as well.
Mr. Nerfect
09-14-2019, 10:55 PM
Yes Noid. She's an intersex. Just like about .05-.07% of the population.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex#Population_figures
Perhaps you'd like to read, as well.
I’m not saying she’s intersex. And what do population figures have to do with anything? Transgender people are something like 0.6% of the population. Should we also just pretend they don’t exist or cite them being a rarity to ignore their existence if someone was talking about the gender binary? Should something being rare mark it as impossible? The rarity of DSDs are discussed in that article, so I can tell you didn’t read it. And, to re-stress, I am not saying Nyla is a case of that. I am just saying that biological sex is more complex than “penis = male.” Lots of stuff can go on, even if it isn’t likely.
And I’ve never said that #1-wwf-fan was probably wrong. I’m saying that to say she was categorically, definitively, concretely, authoritatively male is a declarative statement that I wouldn’t make. It is *probably* true. But #fan didn’t say “probably.” He said “scientifically.” It’s just that fucking word. #fan wasn’t doing this, but people use it to justify their bullshit all the time. “Oh, there are only two genders. It’s scientific.” No one here is doing that specific shitty thing (thank fuck), but it fucking pisses me off. They start with their hypothesis as a conclusion and then just say “science” as their methodology. Nah, fuck you.
If biological sex were as simple as “penis = male” scientists wouldn’t have to study for eight fucking years or whatever to get the qualifications to ask more questions about these things. I’ll let my friends in the medical field know that Damien Rey 2.0 has made their jobs redundant because intersex people are rare and if you’re transgender it means that you used to definitively be the other thing. Thanks for fixing that.
And the thing is, we don’t even know that Nyla was born with a penis. We don’t know the details of her identity or her formative journey. Maybe there’s a doco on her I missed? Even so, there are definite arguments to be made that how she exists now is proof in itself that she was never *scientifically* a he. Trans women are women, and I’d say that doesn’t start at the date of surgery. It goes way back through time, memory, experience and development.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEW?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEW</a> heads to the Indiana Farmers Coliseum (<a href="https://twitter.com/IndyStateFair?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@IndyStateFair</a>) on Wed, Nov. 20th for a LIVE broadcast of <a href="https://twitter.com/AEWonTNT?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AEWonTNT</a> - Tickets start at $20 and go on sale this FRIDAY, Sept 20th at Noon ET / 11am CST - <a href="https://t.co/h4nYfXfHAT">https://t.co/h4nYfXfHAT</a> <a href="https://t.co/XV8LeI866k">pic.twitter.com/XV8LeI866k</a></p>— All Elite Wrestling (@AEWrestling) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEWrestling/status/1173627910164504577?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 16, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Mr. Nerfect
09-16-2019, 07:42 PM
Bold market!
Simple Fan
09-16-2019, 07:55 PM
Indy and Nashville, if they make a stop in the middle in Louisville I'll go.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEW?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEW</a> heads to the Indiana Farmers Coliseum (<a href="https://twitter.com/IndyStateFair?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@IndyStateFair</a>) on Wed, Nov. 20th for a LIVE broadcast of <a href="https://twitter.com/AEWonTNT?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AEWonTNT</a> - Tickets start at $20 and go on sale this FRIDAY, Sept 20th at Noon ET / 11am CST - <a href="https://t.co/h4nYfXfHAT">https://t.co/h4nYfXfHAT</a> <a href="https://t.co/XV8LeI866k">pic.twitter.com/XV8LeI866k</a></p>— All Elite Wrestling (@AEWrestling) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEWrestling/status/1173627910164504577?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 16, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
I'm going I'm going I'm Going I'm going.
Is that the first TNT show?
Simple Fan
09-16-2019, 08:43 PM
It'll be the 8th TV show.
Mr. Nerfect
09-16-2019, 09:55 PM
It’s getting closer. I’m hoping they put on solid TV. I haven’t really stopped to consider that we’re getting a new wrestling TV show. I’ve been thinking more roundly in terms of “product.” But the things like the bumpers, intro music and all those little production things are going to be new, and hopefully fresh.
Vastardikai
09-16-2019, 10:23 PM
Indy and Nashville, if they make a stop in the middle in Louisville I'll go.
They probably won't do Louisville for one reason and one reason only.
Mr. Nerfect
09-16-2019, 10:37 PM
I don’t think The Young Bucks and Kenny Omega will avoid Louisville because of Cornette. If anything, pettiness will drive them there. I think I remember it being one of their biggest interest areas, like Charleston was, but I might be mistaken.
Emperor Smeat
09-17-2019, 03:26 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Who’s ready for some tag team tourney brackets? Today on “Road To TNT” (!!!)</p>— The Young Bucks® (@MattJackson13) <a href="https://twitter.com/MattJackson13/status/1173981746003472385?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 17, 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEW?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEW</a> heads to the Indiana Farmers Coliseum Wednesday, Nov. 20th for a LIVE broadcast of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> - Tickets start at $25 and go on sale TOMORROW - Friday, Sept 20th at Noon ET / 11am CST - <a href="https://t.co/h4nYfXfHAT">https://t.co/h4nYfXfHAT</a> <a href="https://t.co/sYRkemsTGo">pic.twitter.com/sYRkemsTGo</a></p>— All Elite Wrestling (@AEWrestling) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEWrestling/status/1174835871792713728?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 20, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Droford
09-20-2019, 05:14 AM
RP should definitely go
I'm considering going to the Indy show. Wish it was at Bankers Life for the downtown atmosphere.
Mr. Pierre
09-21-2019, 09:11 AM
For those who purchased All Out on BR Live...
Can you replay the show as many times as you want?
Thinking of getting one BR Live account with some fellow nerds, share the cost of the show, and then just watch it on our own when we can.
Can my dreams come true?
screech
09-21-2019, 12:49 PM
For those who purchased All Out on BR Live...
Can you replay the show as many times as you want?
Thinking of getting one BR Live account with some fellow nerds, share the cost of the show, and then just watch it on our own when we can.
Can my dreams come true?
I logged in and was able to watch All Out just now. I guess I would need Vito to confirm too if there's a limit, but I think you might be good.
Jordan
09-21-2019, 03:00 PM
For those who purchased All Out on BR Live...
Can you replay the show as many times as you want?
Thinking of getting one BR Live account with some fellow nerds, share the cost of the show, and then just watch it on our own when we can.
Can my dreams come true?
Yes I can still watch every AEW show on BR LIVE
Emperor Smeat
09-21-2019, 04:54 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Watch Batman today at 12:30pm ET on <a href="https://twitter.com/tntdrama?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@tntdrama</a> <a href="https://t.co/z0Glv7Ppjq">https://t.co/z0Glv7Ppjq</a></p>— All Elite Wrestling (@AEWrestling) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEWrestling/status/1175442766454755330?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 21, 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
If Batman reps AEW, which comic superhero would be WWE's rep?
ClockShot
09-21-2019, 05:03 PM
That's easy.
Sgt. Slaughter.
Not ain't no super hero. But, A REAL AMERICAN HERO!
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c9/10/27/c91027c0a9b33618642d2d9ef1c6fe47.jpg
Mr. Pierre
09-21-2019, 06:16 PM
Yes I can still watch every AEW show on BR LIVE
Thanks buddy
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEW?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEW</a> is truly wanting to establish themselves as an alternative to the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWE?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWE</a>, they strongly need to consider having a wrestling bear on their roster. <a href="https://t.co/liUFCCyMZN">pic.twitter.com/liUFCCyMZN</a></p>— Patrick Stickney (@settledownanvil) <a href="https://twitter.com/settledownanvil/status/1174391186162737152?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 18, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">. <a href="https://twitter.com/tonyschiavone24?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TonySchiavone24</a> takes us through the announced matches for our debut episode of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> on Wednesday, Oct 2nd in Washington D.C <a href="https://t.co/iWV2nZ0q7U">pic.twitter.com/iWV2nZ0q7U</a></p>— All Elite Wrestling (@AEWrestling) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEWrestling/status/1175866103395966977?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 22, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
#1-norm-fan
09-22-2019, 05:46 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEW?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEW</a> is truly wanting to establish themselves as an alternative to the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWE?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWE</a>, they strongly need to consider having a wrestling bear on their roster. <a href="https://t.co/liUFCCyMZN">pic.twitter.com/liUFCCyMZN</a></p>— Patrick Stickney (@settledownanvil) <a href="https://twitter.com/settledownanvil/status/1174391186162737152?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 18, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
I’ve been saying for YEARS that Steve McMichael still has a lot to give to the business. #MongoIsAllIn
Vastardikai
09-22-2019, 11:45 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEW?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEW</a> is truly wanting to establish themselves as an alternative to the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWE?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWE</a>, they strongly need to consider having a wrestling bear on their roster. <a href="https://t.co/liUFCCyMZN">pic.twitter.com/liUFCCyMZN</a></p>— Patrick Stickney (@settledownanvil) <a href="https://twitter.com/settledownanvil/status/1174391186162737152?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 18, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
I can see the story now:
Bear fatally mauls Joey Janella. Nothing of Value lost!
Tom Guycott
09-23-2019, 01:38 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEW?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEW</a> is truly wanting to establish themselves as an alternative to the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWE?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWE</a>, they strongly need to consider having a wrestling bear on their roster. <a href="https://t.co/liUFCCyMZN">pic.twitter.com/liUFCCyMZN</a></p>— Patrick Stickney (@settledownanvil) <a href="https://twitter.com/settledownanvil/status/1174391186162737152?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 18, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
"If it doesn't work on a bear, you don't do it in the ring!" - Daniel Bryan
Mr. Nerfect
09-23-2019, 03:56 AM
Apparently Orange Cassidy is going "viral." Most of the comments are predictably people mocking wrestling. I think we're about to get a good demonstration of how funny doesn't equal money.
Droford
09-23-2019, 04:52 AM
I was looking at full gear tickets on Ticketmaster and there's still a bunch of tickets available directly from Ticketmaster. I also noted there's ringside seats available front row..for $2500. I went to a WWE ppv a couple years ago and got very similar front row ringside tickets off Ticketmaster directly for like $300. I'm gonna buy off a different 3rd party site though since I can avoid the ridiculous Ticketmaster fees.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">On a recent episode of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RoadtoTNT?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RoadtoTNT</a> - We sat down with <a href="https://twitter.com/riho_gtmv?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Riho_gtmv</a> to talk about her upcoming match to crown the first-ever AEW Women's World Champion, as well as her transition to AEW, and much more. Watch the entire series via the link here - <a href="https://t.co/oZiB2U1XM8">https://t.co/oZiB2U1XM8</a> <a href="https://t.co/KNtljKRxa3">pic.twitter.com/KNtljKRxa3</a></p>— All Elite Wrestling (@AEWrestling) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEWrestling/status/1175388237059239936?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 21, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AEW In Talks For A Second Weekly TV Show <a href="https://t.co/7k5KrJUGMJ">https://t.co/7k5KrJUGMJ</a> <a href="https://t.co/UAybHwUEVI">pic.twitter.com/UAybHwUEVI</a></p>— WrestlingINC.com (@WrestlingInc) <a href="https://twitter.com/WrestlingInc/status/1176287142277894144?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 24, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
mike adamle
09-23-2019, 10:29 PM
Finally finished All Out. Pretty disappointing. Ladder Match was awesome. Cracker Barrell Clash was awesome. Cody-Shawn Spears was pretty good. Everything else was way too fucking long.
Also, I'm very sad to admit it as I love him in PWG, but Excalibur has gotta go. He's not very good at mainstream announcing. Golden Boy and Jim Ross were great to listen to though.
Vastardikai
09-23-2019, 11:26 PM
Honestly, I'd do a bit where Ex gets taken off of television in a violent manner, including getting his mask torn off. He takes a few months off, polishes his craft, and then comes back as a completely different and mask-less personality.
Simple Fan
09-24-2019, 03:02 AM
No Excalibur needs to put his mask up in a match. Have someone defend his mask for him like Cutler.
Fignuts
09-24-2019, 04:07 AM
Apparently Orange Cassidy is going "viral." Most of the comments are predictably people mocking wrestling. I think we're about to get a good demonstration of how funny doesn't equal money.
https://i.imgur.com/xXITJHy.png
Mr. Nerfect
09-24-2019, 05:23 AM
https://i.imgur.com/xXITJHy.png
No. No, they don’t.
Droford
09-24-2019, 10:30 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">see yall on the road. <a href="https://t.co/1rIIe1KAiD">pic.twitter.com/1rIIe1KAiD</a></p>— HANGMAN PAGE (@theAdamPage) <a href="https://twitter.com/theAdamPage/status/1176632491056254979?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 24, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Can't be real
Droford
09-24-2019, 10:42 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEW?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEW</a> is truly wanting to establish themselves as an alternative to the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWE?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWE</a>, they strongly need to consider having a wrestling bear on their roster. <a href="https://t.co/liUFCCyMZN">pic.twitter.com/liUFCCyMZN</a></p>— Patrick Stickney (@settledownanvil) <a href="https://twitter.com/settledownanvil/status/1174391186162737152?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 18, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
https://66.media.tumblr.com/da90bd62c54f12e9e7c0748106f6f51d/tumblr_pbfcqqyvPf1u1urgoo1_400.gifv
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ImWithAEW?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ImWithAEW</a> <a href="https://t.co/LBaUvtddLe">pic.twitter.com/LBaUvtddLe</a></p>— Cody Rhodes (@CodyRhodes) <a href="https://twitter.com/CodyRhodes/status/1176625115657834504?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 24, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Jordan
09-25-2019, 11:39 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">see yall on the road. <a href="https://t.co/1rIIe1KAiD">pic.twitter.com/1rIIe1KAiD</a></p>— HANGMAN PAGE (@theAdamPage) <a href="https://twitter.com/theAdamPage/status/1176632491056254979?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 24, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Can't be real
:rofl::lol:
I hope.
Seanny One Ball
09-25-2019, 12:44 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ImWithAEW?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ImWithAEW</a> <a href="https://t.co/LBaUvtddLe">pic.twitter.com/LBaUvtddLe</a></p>— Cody Rhodes (@CodyRhodes) <a href="https://twitter.com/CodyRhodes/status/1176625115657834504?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 24, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Pretentious people are always idiots. Always.
Volare
09-25-2019, 02:27 PM
Cody's promo was fantastic.
Pretentious people are always idiots. Always.
There was nothing pretentious about this, he was sharing his feelings and excitement with fans.
There is a significant internet population who bitch about anything AEW does.
Damned if they do, damned if they don't.
xrodmuc316
09-25-2019, 05:02 PM
Cody's promo was fantastic.
I have been critical of MANY of the AEW wrestlers for saying and doing stupid stuff. Hell pretty much any name value person they have are at best very hypocritical (ex:Jericho), and at worst crybabies with a false sense of accomplishment and bravado they never earned (ex:Omega), so much so that it has really hurt their likeability.
That said, the one guy who has come off genuine and humble has been Cody. Sure his on screen character has done some goofy things like cosplaying HHH and scaring his dog with pyro, but that is within the confines of the show.
As an EVP repping the company, he has been the perfect spokesperson.
Can you imagine if the other wrestlers shut up and just let Cody be the mouthpiece for the company? I think everybody would agree there would be a lot less to bitch about, and a lot more goodwill still in the bank.
Emperor Smeat
09-25-2019, 06:05 PM
For those in the UK, AEW will be airing on ITV although it won't be live nor on Wednesdays.
British free-to-air network ITV's wrestling account tweeted that AEW Dynamite will air on their ITV 4 channel on Sundays at 8:20 AM with one-hour highlight shows airing on their main network Mondays at 11:45 PM.
Might also just be for the short term since both ITV and Tony Khan mentioned they are still working out some details in the deal and AEW's goal is for the show to air live in the UK.
Seanny One Ball
09-25-2019, 06:42 PM
There was nothing pretentious about this, he was sharing his feelings and excitement with fans.
There is a significant internet population who bitch about anything AEW does.
Damned if they do, damned if they don't.
:lol:
Wut
Emperor Smeat
09-25-2019, 07:15 PM
Besides TNT and ITV, AEW's weekly show will also be available on FITE for international viewers. Will require a monthly subscription to watch though.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">��BREAKING NEWS��<br><br>�� INTERNATIONAL AEW FANS!<br><br>��<a href="https://twitter.com/AEWrestling?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AEWrestling</a>'s weekly show <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Dynamite?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Dynamite</a> is coming to <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FITETV?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#FITETV</a>.<br><br>��️ <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FITE?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#FITE</a> is ALSO introducing <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWPLUS?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWPLUS</a>, a subscription service that will allow you to see every weekly show for $4.99 a month.<br><br>�� It's a great time to be a wrestling fan! <a href="https://t.co/Hzc5Z3FKNE">pic.twitter.com/Hzc5Z3FKNE</a></p>— FITE (@FiteTV) <a href="https://twitter.com/FiteTV/status/1176977599991615489?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 25, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Emperor Smeat
09-25-2019, 08:09 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AEW Dynamite episodes will stream live in UK on <a href="https://twitter.com/FiteTV?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@FiteTV</a> for $4.99 month/subscription or $2.99/episode. We can’t broadcast live free to air in the UK due to different ad break schedules than in US. ITV + ITV4 will show free to air replays making our show available to most UK fans!</p>— Tony Khan (@TonyKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1176984662541053953?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 25, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Guess ITV handles ad breaks differently than Sky Sports which was WWE's previous network home.
Then again ITV also has a pretty bad track record recently when it comes to handling wrestling. Killed World of Sport's revival because of their general incompetence.
Ultra Mantis
09-25-2019, 09:04 PM
US TV has twice as many ad breaks as UK TV so it's a TV standards regulated issue. When it comes to live shows I'm pretty sure (at least this is what they used to do) Sky Sports gets around it by running less commercials than usual per ad break and just throwing up the WWE logo until they come back on, which is basically dead air.
Emperor Smeat
09-25-2019, 09:10 PM
That was something I noticed a lot whenever the RAW/Smackdown stream I was watching came from the UK.
Replace all that dead air with hockey commercials and that pretty much is how its aired in Canada via Sportsnet whenever a stream was from there.
xrodmuc316
09-25-2019, 11:03 PM
Hates goofy cartoon shit...
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Unleash the Moxley 😡<br><br>Here's our second piece in the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEW?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEW</a> x <a href="https://twitter.com/DCComics?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DCComics</a> collaboration <a href="https://t.co/6YnBTVwspi">pic.twitter.com/6YnBTVwspi</a></p>— All Elite Wrestling on TNT (@AEWonTNT) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEWonTNT/status/1176996749329612805?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 25, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Literally becomes a goofy cartoon lol
Moxley :rofl::rofl::rofl:
Simple Fan
09-26-2019, 12:54 AM
Does that look goofy you to you? I get an original Turtles vibe from it only in color. Turtles vs Shredder Moxley.
SlickyTrickyDamon
09-26-2019, 02:19 AM
Washington DC is the first show
Lock Jaw
09-26-2019, 10:48 AM
That international streaming thing doesn't include Canada apparently.... still no Canadian deal!
#1-norm-fan
09-26-2019, 01:16 PM
Hates goofy cartoon shit...
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Unleash the Moxley ��<br><br>Here's our second piece in the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEW?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEW</a> x <a href="https://twitter.com/DCComics?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DCComics</a> collaboration <a href="https://t.co/6YnBTVwspi">pic.twitter.com/6YnBTVwspi</a></p>— All Elite Wrestling on TNT (@AEWonTNT) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEWonTNT/status/1176996749329612805?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 25, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Literally becomes a goofy cartoon lol
Moxley :rofl::rofl::rofl:
There’s plenty of legit reasons to shit on AEW/their roster.
How do you still manage to reach so hard to try to find something?
Evil Vito
09-26-2019, 02:00 PM
Not surprising coming from a guy who’s openly said he’s rooting for the company to fail.
Seanny One Ball
09-26-2019, 03:26 PM
It looks like a redneck Triple H
Seanny One Ball
09-26-2019, 03:26 PM
That's all I can see now
Droford
09-27-2019, 02:13 PM
I drug my feet on tickets for Wednesday long enough I couldnt pass up a $40 hard ticket in an Executive Suite with TVs and private bathroom.
Not that Im going to pay $40 to watch it on a TV. But the private bathroom and limited number of people in the suite were the sellers.
Seanny One Ball
09-27-2019, 07:40 PM
Dragged, you dragged your feet.
Droford
09-27-2019, 11:23 PM
Thank you language police
Simple Fan
09-28-2019, 01:48 AM
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/familyguy/images/2/21/307_jesse.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20070709001935
Seanny One Ball
09-28-2019, 12:58 PM
The last thing Droford needs is drugs in his feet. They're about the one part of him that works.
xrodmuc316
09-28-2019, 08:06 PM
I drug my feet on tickets for Wednesday long enough I couldnt pass up a $40 hard ticket in an Executive Suite with TVs and private bathroom.
Not that Im going to pay $40 to watch it on a TV. But the private bathroom and limited number of people in the suite were the sellers.
Anytime you can get a suite for an event, you take the suite!
xrodmuc316
09-28-2019, 08:13 PM
Not surprising coming from a guy who’s openly said he’s rooting for the company to fail.
Nothing to do with AEW, just comical that Mox is a goofy cartoon after bitching about goofy cartoon shit. Even if I was as big of a mark for AEW as Kenny Omega, I would still find it hysterical that the guy who hates goofy cartoon shit is a literal goofy cartoon. You can't write comedy any better!
Ultra Mantis
09-28-2019, 09:39 PM
Being drawn by DC Comics is totally the same thing as being a Bane cosplayer with a pet houseplant who gets gigantic needles shoved up his bum. Got it.
Mr. Nerfect
09-28-2019, 10:16 PM
Hating the goofy shit and being turned into a DC Comic aren’t the same thing, but he does look like a redneck Triple H.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Wrapping up <a href="https://twitter.com/tntdrama?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TNTDrama</a> Supervillain weekend with the one and only American Nightmare. <br><br>Shoutout to <a href="https://twitter.com/DCComics?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DCComics</a> and all the great artists for this awesome series. <a href="https://t.co/RnpenGXrhr">pic.twitter.com/RnpenGXrhr</a></p>— All Elite Wrestling on TNT (@AEWonTNT) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEWonTNT/status/1178413127676809216?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 29, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Joey Janela and Super Humman is something Idek I needed to today ���� <a href="https://t.co/zLxst1uvDj">pic.twitter.com/zLxst1uvDj</a></p>— R Y A N �� (@RyanGriffin91) <a href="https://twitter.com/RyanGriffin91/status/1178379593344000002?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 29, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just A Boy and His Dinosaur ����<a href="https://twitter.com/DCComics?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DCComics</a> x <a href="https://twitter.com/AEWrestling?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AEWrestling</a> x <a href="https://twitter.com/luchasaurus?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@luchasaurus</a> x <a href="https://twitter.com/boy_myth_legend?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@boy_myth_legend</a> <br><br>Don't miss <a href="https://twitter.com/tntdrama?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@tntdrama</a> Supervillain Weekend all weekend long starting tomorrow, Friday, 9/27 through Sunday 9/29! <a href="https://t.co/ShfGGd5LOd">pic.twitter.com/ShfGGd5LOd</a></p>— All Elite Wrestling on TNT (@AEWonTNT) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEWonTNT/status/1177361000200163328?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 26, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Yeaaaaah so remind us not to mess with Awesome Kong ��<a href="https://twitter.com/DCComics?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DCComics</a> x <a href="https://twitter.com/AEWrestling?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AEWrestling</a> x <a href="https://twitter.com/MeanQueenK?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MeanQueenK</a> <a href="https://t.co/yoYndvo1Ku">pic.twitter.com/yoYndvo1Ku</a></p>— All Elite Wrestling on TNT (@AEWonTNT) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEWonTNT/status/1177264174860132352?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 26, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
xrodmuc316
09-29-2019, 11:04 PM
Where is the Jericho one, that one actually looks badass!
Tom Guycott
09-30-2019, 01:09 AM
They made Cody look like Homelander. And why crop Pharoah?! He's a good boy! You don't leave off a selling point!
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Who can stop Le Champion, <a href="https://twitter.com/IAmJericho?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@IAmJericho</a>? <br><br>Stay tuned for more of our <a href="https://twitter.com/DCComics?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DCComics</a> collaboration and don't miss <a href="https://twitter.com/tntdrama?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@tntdrama</a> Supervillain Weekend all weekend long this Friday, 9/27 through Sunday! <a href="https://t.co/BrLkKLQqfb">pic.twitter.com/BrLkKLQqfb</a></p>— All Elite Wrestling on TNT (@AEWonTNT) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEWonTNT/status/1176921407701127168?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 25, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Tom Guycott
09-30-2019, 01:13 AM
... and Jericho should have a "variant" with the belt missing. :shifty:
Seanny One Ball
09-30-2019, 12:30 PM
That artwork is amateurish.
Take that up w various DC artists then
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A little something to get you ready for Wednesday... <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> show open!<br> <br>Wednesday | 8PM ET | <a href="https://twitter.com/tntdrama?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TNTDrama</a> <a href="https://t.co/wRIEKG7b7G">pic.twitter.com/wRIEKG7b7G</a></p>— All Elite Wrestling on TNT (@AEWonTNT) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEWonTNT/status/1178701174989455360?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 30, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
AEW headed to Champaign, IL
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Maybe my best week ever as <a href="https://twitter.com/AEWonTNT?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AEWonTNT</a> Dynamite debuts in 2 days, Wednesday 8pm ET + wins for <a href="https://twitter.com/FulhamFC?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@FulhamFC</a> & <a href="https://twitter.com/Jaguars?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Jaguars</a> this past weekend, now the cherry on top: <a href="https://twitter.com/AEWrestling?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AEWrestling</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> is coming to <a href="https://twitter.com/StateFarmCenter?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@StateFarmCenter</a> in my hometown Champaign, IL 12/4! Tickets onsale this Friday 11amCT! <a href="https://t.co/j1qtb1Y3T9">pic.twitter.com/j1qtb1Y3T9</a></p>— Tony Khan (@TonyKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1178723161233350656?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 30, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Jordan
09-30-2019, 04:55 PM
I question the decision to run Illinois again so quickly. It's 2 and a half hours from Campaign to Chicago.
Mr. Nerfect
09-30-2019, 07:05 PM
They’re running Chicago A LOT.
Mr. Nerfect
09-30-2019, 07:06 PM
Take that up w various DC artists then
I doubt they have their best and brightest working on it.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Joey Janela and Super Humman is something Idek I needed to today ���� <a href="https://t.co/zLxst1uvDj">pic.twitter.com/zLxst1uvDj</a></p>— R Y A N �� (@RyanGriffin91) <a href="https://twitter.com/RyanGriffin91/status/1178379593344000002?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 29, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
This is just sad. How the fuck does Joey Janela have a job? He’s massively unprofessional and tremendously shit.
Seanny One Ball
09-30-2019, 08:07 PM
Maybe he's doing the drawings
Seanny One Ball
09-30-2019, 08:08 PM
Take that up w various DC artists then
I don't care, it's not me they've done shit drawings of
Jordan
09-30-2019, 11:00 PM
Nearly a week after their UK TV deal was announced, AEW has their Canadian TV partner locked and loaded.
Starting Wednesday, AEW Dynamite will air live on TSN reported by PWInsider and confirmed by Dave Meltzer. No other details were announced at this time.
There is a considerable history between TSN and pro wrestling as WWE, WCW, AWA, and Stampede Wrestling have appeared on their airwaves over the years in addition to Michael Landsberg conducting several notable wrestling interviews on his Off The Record show.
ITV announced last Wednesday that Dynamite will air on ITV4 Sunday mornings, a four-day delay followed by a one-hour highlight show on Monday nights. They also announced AEW Plus, a Fite.TV powered service that will let international viewers watch the show live for $4.99 a month. After some negative reaction, AEW president Tony Khan tweeted last Thursday that he is trying to work with ITV to air it on Thursdays.
AEW Dynamite debuts at 8 PM Eastern this Wednesday on TNT in the U.S.
f4wonline.com
Emperor Smeat
10-01-2019, 02:25 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I explained that to them pretty clearly in the interview, to be fair. I officially started on the project that became AEW on April 6, 2018 when I saw my friend Kevin Reilly at a party in Beverly Hills & said that I was interested in creating a wrestling league + working together.</p>— Tony Khan (@TonyKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1178784796325097472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 30, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
That adds up since by the time Cody and The Elite held All In a few months later, there were already some rumblings of someone being interested in starting a potential new promotion and All In quickly catching Kahn's attention.
Kahn was also only interested in Omega, The Young Bucks, and Hangman Page to be the core of his new promotion and help set everything up. Wasn't interested in Cody and only brought him in after Omega and the Bucks managed to convince him it would be a very good idea to do so.
RaginRonic
10-01-2019, 05:45 AM
This is the biggest possible deal that AEW could sign here in Canada.
To think about TSN's reach, they are also part of what was, 9 years ago, an Olympic broadcasting consortium that televised the highest-rated TV program Canada's ever aired....the 2010 Men's Olympic Hockey Championship between the U.S. and Canada, where Sidney Crosby, from Cole Harbour, Nova Scotia, scored the biggest international hockey goal, for a title, that Hockey Canada is responsible for....at 7:40 in OverTime to sink the U.S., 3-2.
That game attracted an average audience of 16.6 million viewers, with 26.5 million watching SOME part of that game. Canada had a population of about 33.4 million people, so that pretty well meant that the promotional power of that consortium, mostly led by TSN's owners, Bell Media(also owners of the CTV Television Network, TSN's primary network partner), proved very fruitful at that time. It's something that, sadly, the CBC could never hope to do whether they hold the Olympic broadcast rights or not in this country.
And for the record, TSN's main studios are located at 9 Channel Nine Court in Scarborough, Ontario, which is a part of the City of Toronto, and sits on that city's eastern third.
Just some backgrounder there for those here who don't know what TSN is =)....and it looks like more ring action just got dumped on me. XD
Jordan
10-01-2019, 11:07 AM
Now if Tony can get the UK to air on Thursday the world will be mostly happy. Australia is left out too right?
Droford
10-01-2019, 11:52 AM
My ticket showed up yesterday and I got super excited
Emperor Smeat
10-01-2019, 07:22 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Cody says wins and losses aren't all that matters. He compares it to college football in that the quality of wins matters as well. There will be heat charts on how many times people lose to a certain move and the like.</p>— Sean Ross Sapp, Fightful.com TALL OF FAMER (@SeanRossSapp) <a href="https://twitter.com/SeanRossSapp/status/1179092508917338114?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 1, 2019</a></blockquote>
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If this was WWE, the rollup or school boy would be in the god tier for finishers and nothing else coming close to it.
xrodmuc316
10-01-2019, 09:49 PM
Is anybody watching this countdown to dynamite show?
This is the most in and out of kayfabe show I've ever seen.
Emperor Smeat
10-01-2019, 10:38 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">You heard on the Countdown to <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> on <a href="https://twitter.com/tntdrama?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TNTDrama</a> - Are <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TheElite?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#TheElite</a> ready? <a href="https://t.co/PSw29ZY8Iq">pic.twitter.com/PSw29ZY8Iq</a></p>— All Elite Wrestling (@AEWrestling) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEWrestling/status/1179201431741620224?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 2, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Triple A
10-01-2019, 10:41 PM
I like the "color burst" theme for Dynamite, interested in how they will incorporate it into the rest of the set
(setup so far at the arena for tomorrow's show)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EF07zyiXoAAWPag?format=jpg&name=4096x4096
Droford
10-01-2019, 11:27 PM
If they don't have any "I was there for.." type shirts I'm totally buying
https://www.prowrestlingtees.com/pub/media/catalog/product/cache/image/500x500/e9c3970ab036de70892d86c6d221abfe/a/e/aew1114-1.png
Simple Fan
10-02-2019, 01:14 AM
Tried to get a " I was there" shirt at All Out but by the time I got to go buy one they were all out. Had to settle for a Young Bucks shirt.
Didn't feel like waiting in line early on and went during the Japanese women's match.
Evil Vito
10-02-2019, 12:07 PM
RIP AEW megathread
Emperor Smeat
10-02-2019, 05:50 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">ANNOUNCEMENT - NEW SCHEDULE �� <a href="https://t.co/gMN2fM6lcb">pic.twitter.com/gMN2fM6lcb</a></p>— ITV Wrestling (@ITVWrestling) <a href="https://twitter.com/ITVWrestling/status/1179391575891349510?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 2, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">When asked by Wade Keller about what mistakes he believes they have made so far, Tony Khan mentioned Page/Sabian going too long, too much comedy on the early preshows, and a rough start to the first battle royal. Good to see all of that recognized and acknowledged.</p>— Voices of Wrestling (@voiceswrestling) <a href="https://twitter.com/voiceswrestling/status/1179274866891075584?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 2, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Evil Vito
10-09-2019, 02:08 PM
With Kylie Rae returning to wrestling and working for Impact, it's brought back questions as to why she really left AEW after the company said she left for "personal reasons".
Apparently non-disclosures were signed, so it'll never go any further than he said, she said.
However the hot internet rumor going around is that Brandi effectively bullied her out of the company and that Meltzer/Alvarez are actively trying to help cover it up because they simply took AEW's excuse at face value and won't pursue it any further.
#1-norm-fan
10-09-2019, 02:33 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">When asked by Wade Keller about what mistakes he believes they have made so far, Tony Khan mentioned Page/Sabian going too long, too much comedy on the early preshows, and a rough start to the first battle royal. Good to see all of that recognized and acknowledged.</p>— Voices of Wrestling (@voiceswrestling) <a href="https://twitter.com/voiceswrestling/status/1179274866891075584?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 2, 2019</a></blockquote>
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A wrestling company acknowledging booking fuckups. Nice.
Emperor Smeat
10-09-2019, 07:22 PM
With Kylie Rae returning to wrestling and working for Impact, it's brought back questions as to why she really left AEW after the company said she left for "personal reasons".
Apparently non-disclosures were signed, so it'll never go any further than he said, she said.
However the hot internet rumor going around is that Brandi effectively bullied her out of the company and that Meltzer/Alvarez are actively trying to help cover it up because they simply took AEW's excuse at face value and won't pursue it any further.
Feel if that was the case, something actually juicy would have been leaked or hinted to by now considering Ryan Satin and others have been digging a lot.
If I had to guess, she probably had a Nathan Jones like moment where she ended up not feeling comfortable with her new high profile role and spotlight and wanted to take a step back on her career.
Evil Vito
12-20-2019, 02:49 PM
In what shouldn't be a surprise to anyone, tickets to Revolution in Chicago on 2/29 have sold out in less than an hour.
So many toxic fans on Twitter
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">?? <br><br>If you follow this account, than I’m sure you’ve seen how complimentary to WWE I am and often. I literally just gave them rights to use my dads name for their tag tournie.</p>— Cody Rhodes (@CodyRhodes) <a href="https://twitter.com/CodyRhodes/status/1208181747952898048?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 21, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
xrodmuc316
12-21-2019, 03:44 AM
So many toxic fans on Twitter
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">?? <br><br>If you follow this account, than I’m sure you’ve seen how complimentary to WWE I am and often. I literally just gave them rights to use my dads name for their tag tournie.</p>— Cody Rhodes (@CodyRhodes) <a href="https://twitter.com/CodyRhodes/status/1208181747952898048?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 21, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
There is a lot about AEW to legitimately complain about, but Cody is not one of them. From the get go Cody has been the level headed one who has been a great face of the company. The other EVPs seem like wrestlers playing executives, but Cody has been a true pro.
If AEW was modeled on Cody's image instead of the goofy bingo hall and video game cosplaying stuff that only appeals to a small portion of the audience, they would be far better off in my honest opinion.
I think that's a great point @ xrodmuc316
Droford
12-21-2019, 08:20 AM
In what shouldn't be a surprise to anyone, tickets to Revolution in Chicago on 2/29 have sold out in less than an hour.
Abit surprised they went away from the Sears Center to the slightly smaller Wintrust Arena.
Ol Dirty Dastard
12-21-2019, 11:43 AM
Sadly going to have to agree with XRod.
Ol Dirty Dastard
12-21-2019, 11:47 AM
Cody and Jericho get it. Bucks and Kenny are so far up their own asses it’s ridiculous.
Bad News Gertner
12-21-2019, 11:55 AM
They are marketing themselves to a niche audience which is never going to grow because it's not attracting the Casuals.
I've heard talk about then trying to court the "Lapsed Fan".
The lapsed fan was a fan of guys like Stone Cold doing beer baths, the Rock's catchphrases and women being half naked. Not "workrate"
Cody definitely gets it, but the rest not so much
Ol Dirty Dastard
12-21-2019, 12:09 PM
You can still have good work rate tv matches too. They just don’t have to be 45 minute masturbation exhibitions. Tv matches should be 10 minutes tops unless it’s something special
Bad News Gertner
12-21-2019, 01:30 PM
But that's not what those types of fans want. They want "Attitude Era".
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Wrestling Fans really are fickle. Watched some nxt clips on YT...
No one is calling out how ridiculous Finn Balor knocking over fans at ringside looked on NXT or how ridiculous it was for Rhea to escape from Shayna's submission & be 100% recovered in seconds, this week they're focused on AEW.
Emperor Smeat
12-21-2019, 05:57 PM
If AEW was more in Cody's image, it would come off as just being another WWE which is what viewers have been going away from in droves. Its also why TNA/Impact always struggled to grow their viewership because they came off as just being a poor man's WWE.
AEW's biggest strength right now is the variety feel to it in regards to there not being an "AEW style." On the downside that also has led to them not having a real unifying vision yet since they are still in a company and star building mode and NXT can easily counter them in the work-rate department.
WWE also changing NXT a lot since it moved to the USA Network is another big issue. Them constantly tossing out title matches and TakeOver quality matches being the biggest changes since before those used to be a lot more rare and the main focus towards slow builds for feuds and star development.
Triple A
12-21-2019, 06:02 PM
Dave Meltzer "ripped Kris Statlander a new asshole," calling the "alien" gimmick "embarrassing" and stuff...
Seems like a huge overreaction... She was just basically acting like a "strange" person who didn't talk... idk what the big deal is...
Feel like the gimmick makes me way more interested in her because before I thought she was just some generic wrestler... I think she might be my fav woman wrestler in AEW now.
Damian Rey 2.0
12-21-2019, 08:05 PM
I personallylove her gimmick. It makes her different and she stands out because of it. She also has a sweet finisher.
I prefer her Alien Gimmick to Brandi's G-Rated HooDoo schtick
xrodmuc316
12-21-2019, 08:32 PM
If AEW was more in Cody's image, it would come off as just being another WWE which is what viewers have been going away from in droves. Its also why TNA/Impact always struggled to grow their viewership because they came off as just being a poor man's WWE.
AEW's biggest strength right now is the variety feel to it in regards to there not being an "AEW style." On the downside that also has led to them not having a real unifying vision yet since they are still in a company and star building mode and NXT can easily counter them in the work-rate department.
WWE also changing NXT a lot since it moved to the USA Network is another big issue. Them constantly tossing out title matches and TakeOver quality matches being the biggest changes since before those used to be a lot more rare and the main focus towards slow builds for feuds and star development.
NXT still has the same amount of "developmental" matches. It's just the show is twice as long now, and the extra hour is filled with marquee matches.
That is not an NXT problem though, that is all of wrestling since the 90's.
xrodmuc316
12-21-2019, 08:45 PM
Dave Meltzer "ripped Kris Statlander a new asshole," calling the "alien" gimmick "embarrassing" and stuff...
Seems like a huge overreaction... She was just basically acting like a "strange" person who didn't talk... idk what the big deal is...
Feel like the gimmick makes me way more interested in her because before I thought she was just some generic wrestler... I think she might be my fav woman wrestler in AEW now.
Something happened behind the scenes, a falling out or whatnot, because Dave went from being the biggest AEW hypeman to pulling a 180 and being overly critical towards AEW the last 2 weeks.
There is no reason to hate a new talent having an alien gimmick when this is the same company that has a guy with a dinosaur gimmick. I mean for real??? An alien wrestler is no more ridiculous than a dinosaur wrestler.
Meltzer going after Kris that hard over her gimmick is either him being an incredible hypocrite or a real sexist bastard.
Emperor Smeat
12-21-2019, 09:36 PM
NXT still has the same amount of "developmental" matches. It's just the show is twice as long now, and the extra hour is filled with marquee matches.
That is not an NXT problem though, that is all of wrestling since the 90's.
They've also been picking up more of WWE (and WCW to a degree) bad habits when it comes to their booking and layout of shows.
It hasn't really hurt them due to having years worth of goodwill built up with wrestling fans and leaning a lot on workrate to mask those issues. AEW doesn't have the first and they are limited with the second which is why wrestling fans have become more unforgiving and fickle towards them.
Also the growing feeling online that NXT has become what people thought AEW was going to be and AEW not being like NJPW or Mid-South almost right from the gate.
Ol Dirty Dastard
12-21-2019, 11:26 PM
If AEW was more in Cody's image, it would come off as just being another WWE which is what viewers have been going away from in droves.
Oh Smeat, come on, this is simply not the truth. Cody is way more oldschool NWA than anything. Nothing he does or has done since the inception of AEW has been WWE light.
Not a good argument at all.
Simple Fan
12-22-2019, 12:04 AM
Cody has been what WWE should be.
Emperor Smeat
12-22-2019, 12:20 AM
Oh Smeat, come on, this is simply not the truth. Cody is way more oldschool NWA than anything. Nothing he does or has done since the inception of AEW has been WWE light.
Not a good argument at all.
That's basically been the main recurring online complaint about Cody and his spotlight in AEW.
Its a double edge-sword since his NWA-like stuff has helped make the show feel different and been among the best parts of AEW but at the same time its also where the constant "Triple H" comparisons have been made and people feeling his stuff comes off more like WWE but handled better than what AEW was promoting and has been as a company.
AEW's early success wasn't because of Cody's vision of the company but because they promised to treat wrestling better than WWE has and also bring in a mix of styles than have a single defining style. The sports-like focus being one of those mix of styles that people ended up assuming it meant they were going to lean heavily towards the NJPW way of things.
Triple A
12-22-2019, 12:22 AM
I am very glad that AEW is not like NXT, which basically seems like "just matches" with hardly any interesting angles imo...
Triple A
12-22-2019, 12:25 AM
The same people hating on AEW are the ones who hate Orange Cassidy, who is maybe the most over person in the company
I am very glad that AEW is not like NXT, which basically seems like "just matches" with hardly any interesting angles imo...
Me too. NXT is constant kick-outs of everything. Oddly enough, so much of the stuff people bitch about The Young Bucks doing a ton of NXT wrestlers do as well.
Triple A
12-22-2019, 07:32 AM
Just watched this week's AEW Dark, Orange Cassidy fucking rules
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Triple A
12-22-2019, 07:38 AM
Such a great episode... main event was so fun
Ol Dirty Dastard
12-22-2019, 08:49 AM
That's basically been the main recurring online complaint about Cody and his spotlight in AEW.
Its a double edge-sword since his NWA-like stuff has helped make the show feel different and been among the best parts of AEW but at the same time its also where the constant "Triple H" comparisons have been made and people feeling his stuff comes off more like WWE but handled better than what AEW was promoting and has been as a company.
AEW's early success wasn't because of Cody's vision of the company but because they promised to treat wrestling better than WWE has and also bring in a mix of styles than have a single defining style. The sports-like focus being one of those mix of styles that people ended up assuming it meant they were going to lean heavily towards the NJPW way of things.
This makes no sense. He's been the best part of the show and doesn't act like HHH at all. Anyone making that comparison is plainly incorrect. The only reason you'd have to compare him to HHH was that stupid spot with the throne--
WWE light would be them ramming dog food in peoples' mouths and doing bra and panties matches. Frankly, you're offbase on this one, Smeat.
I don't doubt Omega and the Bucks' talent, I've seen them do some great work. I just don't think that great work has occurred in AEW.
xrodmuc316
12-22-2019, 11:58 AM
This makes no sense. He's been the best part of the show and doesn't act like HHH at all. Anyone making that comparison is plainly incorrect. The only reason you'd have to compare him to HHH was that stupid spot with the throne--
WWE light would be them ramming dog food in peoples' mouths and doing bra and panties matches. Frankly, you're offbase on this one, Smeat.
I don't doubt Omega and the Bucks' talent, I've seen them do some great work. I just don't think that great work has occurred in AEW.
WWE hasn't had a bra and panties match in like 13 years.
Edit ::'(
Ol Dirty Dastard
12-22-2019, 12:05 PM
WWE hasn't had a bra and panties match in like 13 years.
I was being hyperbolic you w33n
xrodmuc316
12-22-2019, 03:09 PM
I was being hyperbolic you w33n
I was complaining :(
I miss those matches lol
Bad News Gertner
12-22-2019, 04:27 PM
There's a lot of fans that prefer those matches to current women's wrestling.
Supreme Olajuwon
12-22-2019, 06:15 PM
Those fans are mongoloids who should be euthanized, not catered to.
Bad News Gertner
12-22-2019, 06:24 PM
Those are the fans they are trying to court though. "The lapsed fan from the Attitude Era". I unfortunately have spoken to quite a few of these cretins. They exist and there's way more of them than you'd believe.
Lock Jaw
12-22-2019, 06:27 PM
Honestly don't think that "old lapsed Attitude Era fans" would even be looking for the "same thing" nowadays.... just can't see the "same stuff" appealing to them these days.....
Bad News Gertner
12-22-2019, 06:28 PM
They would be bored to tears with these long matches.
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