All Elite Wrestling

[Vastardikai]

Punk did always strike me as a groomer

Lol. I am pretty sure that most of those who Lockport Phil screws around with are of age. Unlike other folks in AEW...

[Destor]

Wasnt becky bayless 14

[Sepholio]

Punk has literally never made anybody better

For real. I'm sitting here trying to figure out who he has ever actually helped and I'm drawing a blank.

[Sepholio]

And suggesting there are still things left for him to do....like what, cut the same old "everyones out to get me and hold me down and im not having it because im here for the fans!" promo he always cuts because it's literally his only promo? Or maybe he can put on a clinic on how to be out of shape and constantly botch moves.

There is nothing to be gained by anyone from having him on board at this point. Popping ratings for 2 weeks is not a draw, and even if you somehow consider those 2 weeks of an extra 200k people to be a good thing, that is not nearly worth having to deal with the baggage he brings with him everywhere he goes.

The only place Punk needs to be at this point is at home being the overrated bitter egomaniac he is and has always been.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol. I am pretty sure that most of those who Lockport Phil screws around with are of age. Unlike other folks in AEW...

Yeah, there are real concerns to be had…

Wasnt becky bayless 14

I think that was Raven.

For real. I'm sitting here trying to figure out who he has ever actually helped and I'm drawing a blank.

Will Hobbs, Darby Allin, FTR, MJF, Wardlow. Funnily enough their booking turns to shit when it turns out they are Punk guys.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Who have The Elite actually put over? Not lost to, actually put over.

[Mr. Nerfect]

And suggesting there are still things left for him to do....like what, cut the same old "everyones out to get me and hold me down and im not having it because im here for the fans!" promo he always cuts because it's literally his only promo? Or maybe he can put on a clinic on how to be out of shape and constantly botch moves.

There is nothing to be gained by anyone from having him on board at this point. Popping ratings for 2 weeks is not a draw, and even if you somehow consider those 2 weeks of an extra 200k people to be a good thing, that is not nearly worth having to deal with the baggage he brings with him everywhere he goes.

The only place Punk needs to be at this point is at home being the overrated bitter egomaniac he is and has always been.

You’re describing AEW.

[Sepholio]

No, I'm describing CM Punk everywhere he goes.

And your list of people who benefitted from Punk is laughable.

Will Hobbs: where's he at?

Darby Allin: Afterthought still meandering about in meaningless feuds with Sting in tow

FTR: Were already a big deal, now they are relegated to a non-existent RoH

MJF: Got the big win over Punk with help from Wardlow, only to have to turn around and job to Punk a month or two later to facilitate the Wardlow turn and disappear for months soon after.

Wardlow: Wardlow was the hottest act already outside of MJF, and while he had a good run for a couple months after, he's now been shoved into a tag team with Samoa Joe and they've stuck him back in a reformed pinnacle.

[Vastardikai]

Meanwhile, female talent who are friends of Thunder Rosa are seeing their AEW bookings dry up.

[Sepholio]

Also, why do you have to deflect to "YEAH BUT THE ELITE" any time someone talks bad about Punk now? No one is talking about Kenny/The Bucks here besides you. They have nothing to do with Punk being an overrated blowhard who ends up pissing off everyone around him everywhere he goes.

[Sepholio]

Funnily enough their booking turns to shit when it turns out they are Punk guys.

And then there's this bit. Tell me exactly how he is helping people if people are getting buried just for being associated with him because of the drama he causes?

[Sepholio]

Punk: Pushed to the moon
Punk's guys: shit booking

Who is exactly getting helped here?

[DaveWadding]

Tony Khan just announced this, and y'all can just call me General Hugh G Rection:

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[Sepholio]

They picked the wrong member of Death Triangle to challenge him

[Mr. Nerfect]

No, I'm describing CM Punk everywhere he goes.

And your list of people who benefitted from Punk is laughable.

Will Hobbs: where's he at?

Darby Allin: Afterthought still meandering about in meaningless feuds with Sting in tow

FTR: Were already a big deal, now they are relegated to a non-existent RoH

MJF: Got the big win over Punk with help from Wardlow, only to have to turn around and job to Punk a month or two later to facilitate the Wardlow turn and disappear for months soon after.

Wardlow: Wardlow was the hottest act already outside of MJF, and while he had a good run for a couple months after, he's now been shoved into a tag team with Samoa Joe and they've stuck him back in a reformed pinnacle.

No, you’re describing AEW. So many dudes in AEW are what you project onto Punk.

Will Hobbs: He’s a Punk guy. Sabotaged by The Elite.

Darby Allin: Yeah, exactly. He was like an AEW mascot until Punk came in and worked with him. Now he’s basically treading water because The Elite can’t have that.

FTR: Yeah, The Elite.

MJF: Yes, because Tony is a fucking moron who wasn’t paying the dude as much as he deserved for his output with Punk.

Wardlow: Yeah, Punk made him look like a million dollars then TK jumped the gun with him and The Elite had him sabotaged for being a Punk guy.

The problem with this promotion isn’t Punk. It’s TK’s booking and The Elite being insecure bitches. Punk comes in and helps get people talking about talent — whether it’s through working with them on-air or behind the scenes — then after they shine they disappear. Well soon a lot of that talent will disappear for good because their deals will be up and they will get away from the political animals.

[Mr. Nerfect]

And then there's this bit. Tell me exactly how he is helping people if people are getting buried just for being associated with him because of the drama he causes?

He’s helping them become better workers. Unfortunately that’s a threat to people in AEW. But hey, AEW sucks and the chickens are coming home to roost.

Lol, The Elite caused the drama because Punk came in and didn’t want to go with the indy mentality and popped that one rating. The last thing The Elite wants is validation of what guys like Cornette says. Plus when the numbers actually move it proves that numbers can move and they haven’t done it. Insecurity.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Also, why do you have to deflect to "YEAH BUT THE ELITE" any time someone talks bad about Punk now? No one is talking about Kenny/The Bucks here besides you. They have nothing to do with Punk being an overrated blowhard who ends up pissing off everyone around him everywhere he goes.

Because The Elite are the problem, bud. Never underestimate the wrath of the untalented in power.

Punk got Rampage over 1 million and started telling talent “try things this way” instead of “whatever you feel is correct is correct.” When some talent started saying “Hey, this works!” it validates all the veterans who have ever pointed out the flaws in the games of The Bucks and Omega. They will not be surpassed by people learning to do things better.

So they started the bullshit about Colt Cabana. They got Adam Page to go out there on their own show and try to tank the top babyface a week before their PPV and tarnish his reputation before TWO consecutive PPVs in Chicago. They’re the drama, because Punk understandably doesn’t like their sucky shit.

I’m not the biggest Punk fan in the world by any stretch. But he’s actually the lesser evil here. The Bucks and Omega poked and prodded because you can’t have someone with a traditional pro-wrestling mind in their vanity project.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Wouldn’t surprise me if New Japan wanted Punk and FTR over Omega and The Bucks too. You know, from that time where they outright lied to New Japan about staying even though their names were in the name of the new promotion cutting into New Japan’s US expansion and they thought it would be just fine.

Don’t think that didn’t make Kenny mad on top of Punk doing better Rampage numbers than him.

Punk didn’t suck their dicks and likely spoke out about their creative and how it is factually holding back the promotion. Yeah, he ruffled feathers. But he was also likely under the impression that he was brought in to help the product and assumed he was being paid enough for Tony to listen to his common sense. Nup. TK wants to entertain these two completely disparate visions. One is based on what works and doing things for effect. The other is based on what a handful of guys want to do to make themselves feel good regardless of if it works or not. They’re completely incompatible and it was always going to end in some sort of explosion between the people who want to bake a pie and the people who want to put their dick in it, regardless of if Punk was there or not. JR has had problems with this. FTR.

You have to go along with the corrupt management in AEW. It’s a toxic culture. Yeah, it’s gonna make a few people miserable, especially if they are already inclined to be miserable. But hey, they’re going to get theirs.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Meanwhile, female talent who are friends of Thunder Rosa are seeing their AEW bookings dry up.

Yep. Because Thunder Rosa has been deemed a problem by someone who has Tony’s ear too.

[Destor]

There's a lot of imagining what so and so did going on right now

[Mr. Nerfect]

So, I just wanted to go back to Chris Jericho for a bit:

We know he talks to Dave Meltzer. It’s possible he flat-out lied to Dave for…reasons, but it’s more likely that Dave has the accurate details on Jericho’s contract, and that he was signed for two more years.

It’s pretty batty that TK has backed up a truck to Jericho’s house when he was locked in until 2024 anyway. The signing of Moxley to a 5 yr deal goes along with this, but at least his deal was expiring (or had already expired). TK is desperate to have guys locked for a long-ass time, probably for any sort of negotiating leverage he can get with networks. It was important to have Jericho locked in to a deal beyond 2023, because that’s when the Dynamite TV deal is up, right?

We’re seeing who TK sees as actually important, and it tells us who has not made a commitment. And it implies a measure of hesitance from Warner Bros Discovery to sign new deals with AEW — otherwise, why would Jericho signing now be so important?

And he’s taken TK for all he’s worth. He’s getting way overpaid to do horrible shit. Jericho is almost as big a problem as The Elite. They’re Hogan and Nash to Tony’s Bischoff. Adam Page might as well be Diamond Adam Page. If Hogan and Nash were able to do springboards, I wonder if Meltzer would have looked past their politics?

This ROH thing is horrible. These acts are getting low-key buried by Jericho. There are so many problems with this story.

* Why is Tony Khan letting Jericho beat up whoever he wants?
* Where is everyone who likes ROH in the company to stand up for ROH?
* What happens to the ROH guys once they get beaten by a 50 yr old Jericho?

You want to see a guy hurting the company, look at him.

[Mr. Nerfect]

There's a lot of imagining what so and so did going on right now

You can see it on the television. The rumors are the rumors. If I were a wrestler, I sure as shit wouldn’t sign there.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I wouldn’t trust The Elite. You’re allowed to, but I think that’s stupid.

[xrodmuc316]

No, I'm describing CM Punk everywhere he goes.

And your list of people who benefitted from Punk is laughable.

Will Hobbs: where's he at?

Darby Allin: Afterthought still meandering about in meaningless feuds with Sting in tow

FTR: Were already a big deal, now they are relegated to a non-existent RoH

MJF: Got the big win over Punk with help from Wardlow, only to have to turn around and job to Punk a month or two later to facilitate the Wardlow turn and disappear for months soon after.

Wardlow: Wardlow was the hottest act already outside of MJF, and while he had a good run for a couple months after, he's now been shoved into a tag team with Samoa Joe and they've stuck him back in a reformed pinnacle.

Will Hobbs wasnt elevated at all. He had a one off with Punk then kept doing exactly what he was doing in Team Taz, except he went from number 2 in that team to number 3 when Hook surpassed him. He finally did something by turning on Starks, but nothing since other than a few wins over ransom jobbers.

Darby Allin was on an upward trajectory, was TNT Champ, all before Punk came in. Since then, Darby hasn't done anything of note. He beat Jay Lethal one time, but he is much further down the card than he was before Phil.

FTR are exactly what they have always been. Just because Punk said they are good doesn't mean people were suddenly clued in.

MJF and Wardlow were built up to clash long before Punk. If anything Punk being involved dragged it out longer than needed.

There is also the fact that he did the opposite of help in burying the Bucks, Hangman, and the company. He also caused his friend to get fired, and Omega to get suspended.

He did far more to hurt the company than be did to help it, which is what I said was going to happen all along.

[Mr. Nerfect]

This isn’t aimed at you, Destor, but there is a lot of “Punk is definitely like this!” when it comes to him, even if it is demonstrably untrue. Like, I’ve seen people calling him lazy and acting like he’s known for shooting on people. The dude’s done one shoot interview and has never worked stiff lol. That’s okay. But I notice that there’s conversely a lot of demand for a reserved opinion on The Elite like you’re being grossly inappropriate for suggesting THEY might be bitter assholes.

I think they’re conniving little shits.

[xrodmuc316]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

Will Hobbs wasnt elevated at all. He had a one off with Punk then kept doing exactly what he was doing in Team Taz, except he went from number 2 in that team to number 3 when Hook surpassed him. He finally did something by turning on Starks, but nothing since other than a few wins over ransom jobbers.

Darby Allin was on an upward trajectory, was TNT Champ, all before Punk came in. Since then, Darby hasn't done anything of note. He beat Jay Lethal one time, but he is much further down the card than he was before Phil.

FTR are exactly what they have always been. Just because Punk said they are good doesn't mean people were suddenly clued in.

MJF and Wardlow were built up to clash long before Punk. If anything Punk being involved dragged it out longer than needed.

There is also the fact that he did the opposite of help in burying the Bucks, Hangman, and the company. He also caused his friend to get fired, and Omega to get suspended.

He did far more to hurt the company than be did to help it, which is what I said was going to happen all along.

Yeah, Punk works with guys and they get buried after he’s done. That’s exactly my point. He’s not Triple H lying down for guys and making himself look good. He was actually trying and there’s a concerted effort from other parties to make sure it doesn’t stick. I’d want them to get the fuck out of my locker room too.

[xrodmuc316]

I think they’re conniving little shits.

They are, 100%, but they did God's work making Phil rage like the douchebag he is :rofl:

[Mr. Nerfect]

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Before The Elite, after The Elite.

[Mr. Nerfect]

They are, 100%, but they did God's work making Phil rage like the douchebag he is :rofl:

Look, I’ll let you have your Punk hate, but it’s got to cut both ways. I’m happy he stood up to them and looks to be taking a large chunk of money from them on his way out. :y:

[Mr. Nerfect]

I’m ok with him just retiring and never appearing in public again. I don’t really find replay value in his work like an all-time great. But if he signs with WWE or goes elsewhere I am happy with that too.

I want to stress that I am not a Punk mark. I didn’t really miss him after 2014. He’s a talented talker and he can work in the ring. There are problems with his credibility and some of his loftier opinions are just…wrong. In my opinion. But if he can lay off Goldberg, admit casual fans exist and accept that he’s a tier below the best ever, he’s like one of the best A-grade professionals out there. I wouldn’t wish on him to suffer fools though. I like that he went in there and didn’t just wrestle his own shit and keep quiet until he was irrelevant (like Bryan).

[xrodmuc316]

Look, I’ll let you have your Punk hate, but it’s got to cut both ways. I’m happy he stood up to them and looks to be taking a large chunk of money from them on his way out. :y:

I love that Shad has to pay Phil probably $10 million just because his idiot son can't keep his employees in line :rofl:

[Mr. Nerfect]

I wonder if they’re trying to slip him extra to try and buy his silence.

[Mr. Nerfect]

If CM Punk is such a toxic person and a detriment to the business, why would AEW be trying to get him to sign a ludicrously long no-compete? Dave didn’t think that one through.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Because The Elite are the problem, bud. Never underestimate the wrath of the untalented in power.

Punk got Rampage over 1 million and started telling talent “try things this way” instead of “whatever you feel is correct is correct.” When some talent started saying “Hey, this works!” it validates all the veterans who have ever pointed out the flaws in the games of The Bucks and Omega. They will not be surpassed by people learning to do things better.

So they started the bullshit about Colt Cabana. They got Adam Page to go out there on their own show and try to tank the top babyface a week before their PPV and tarnish his reputation before TWO consecutive PPVs in Chicago. They’re the drama, because Punk understandably doesn’t like their sucky shit.

I’m not the biggest Punk fan in the world by any stretch. But he’s actually the lesser evil here. The Bucks and Omega poked and prodded because you can’t have someone with a traditional pro-wrestling mind in their vanity project.

Preach, brother!

[xrodmuc316]

If CM Punk is such a toxic person and a detriment to the business, why would AEW be trying to get him to sign a ludicrously long no-compete? Dave didn’t think that one through.

Because Tiny doesn't want anybody else playing with his toys.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Because Tiny doesn't want anybody else playing with his toys.

Especially if that toy could be used better in the different environment.

[Mr. Nerfect]

That Adam Page went out there and did what he did is one of the most surreal things in recent pro-wrestling memory. Punk was probably told what the promo was going to be about. He may have even had input and helped Page prepare the talking points to sell the PPV. He goes out there expecting that thing and then Page comes out with this smug esoteric nonsense trying to hurt CM Punk in the wallet.

You’d expect the boss to pull that guy aside and put some punishment down on him for blindsiding someone, right? Instead, nothing happens and the guy is even possibly rewarded for trying to piss on your future. It’s absolutely bonkers.

[xrodmuc316]

Especially if that toy could be used better in the different environment.

That would challenge his Booker of the Year award :rofl:

[xrodmuc316]

Instead, nothing happens and the guy is even possibly rewarded for trying to piss on your future. It’s absolutely bonkers.

Maybe AEW shouldn't have banked their future on a broken down 43 year old injury prone malcontent who not only could not fight his way out of a paper bag, but he could not even stop another man from tickling him in a fight, after paying one of the most respected MMA trainers in the world a boatload of money over 4 years.

Hangman is lame as hell, but he is also not a 43 year old injury prone malcontent who not only could not fight his way out of a paper bag, but he could not even stop another man from tickling him in a fight, after paying one of the most respected MMA trainers in the world a boatload of money over 4 years.

Even if Hangman didn't cut that promo, Phil still would have injured his foot, still would have injured his arm, and still would have had something to complain about, because no matter what Page said, Punk would still be a 43 year old injury prone malcontent who not only could not fight his way out of a paper bag, but he could not even stop another man from tickling him in a fight, after paying one of the most respected MMA trainers in the world a boatload of money over 4 years.

[Sepholio]

Potential yuge spoilers. Read at your own peril. You've been warned.

I hope Wade Keller is wrong but he's reporting that MJF has already resigned and the entire angle about him potentially going to WWE is fake....but they still plan to run the story for the forseeable future. Considering the C&D sent to WWE over tampering, that means WWE will not even be trying to get MJF, and the entire story is now utter bullshit and not believable at all. There goes the best story in AEW.

[xrodmuc316]

Every report of a wrestler getting extended makes me laugh, because Shad is on the hook to keep paying them no matter what.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Maybe AEW shouldn't have banked their future on a broken down 43 year old injury prone malcontent who not only could not fight his way out of a paper bag, but he could not even stop another man from tickling him in a fight, after paying one of the most respected MMA trainers in the world a boatload of money over 4 years.

Hangman is lame as hell, but he is also not a 43 year old injury prone malcontent who not only could not fight his way out of a paper bag, but he could not even stop another man from tickling him in a fight, after paying one of the most respected MMA trainers in the world a boatload of money over 4 years.

Even if Hangman didn't cut that promo, Phil still would have injured his foot, still would have injured his arm, and still would have had something to complain about, because no matter what Page said, Punk would still be a 43 year old injury prone malcontent who not only could not fight his way out of a paper bag, but he could not even stop another man from tickling him in a fight, after paying one of the most respected MMA trainers in the world a boatload of money over 4 years.

There’s no defense for Punk getting embarrassed, but I’m pretty sure Hangman would have been embarrassed too. Even at his age, given what he can think up and provide with his promos and in other roles, Punk is still more valuable than the entire Elite.

[Mr. Nerfect]

If MJF signed a longer deal with AEW, that’s his choice to deal with.

[Stu Hart]

You really think that he would amount to much in WWE ? MJF does better in a smaller pond.

MFJ vs the Miz would probably be his first program..and it would be downhill from there. He is simply not WWE homegrown talent. Fuck, they would just put him in NXT

[Mr. Nerfect]

MJF would be absolutely fine in WWE. It’s one of the easiest things to envision.

He’s not the biggest fish in AEW — he’s basically the only fish. I guess he gets the shine from the story of being the A1 guy there, but it’s so far down in AEW that it’s inconsequential.

[Sepholio]

If Vince was still in charge, I would have some reservations about MJF in WWE. Mainly because Vince doesn't really push smaller guys very often and tends to drop them in a hurry or use them to job to the main eventers.

However, with HHH in charge, that's not gonna be an issue imo. He is more than willing to push these guys that aren't big ole muscle men. If you have the "it factor" and you can go, HHH is gonna give you that shot. And MJF has all the "it factor" you can ask for, especially at his age.

Honestly, the downside in WWE would be they make him the next Miz. And is that really a bad thing? He's been at or near the top of the card for like 15 years consistently and always has something going on. He makes a bunch of money and gets to do side projects. Pretty cushy spot, really.

[drave]

If he wasn't made to reign in his promos, he'd be fine. I think his size would be off-putting initially, but that'd quickly forgotten about.


He and Miz could have some excellent exchanges. World champ, nah. Solid IC / US title program participant.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Vince would have gotten MJF. One of his strengths is that it’s believable this guy would have hired muscle, which allows you to use MJF as a vehicle to get a huge guy over as a project. You’re not just pushing the small guy with a motor mouth.

[Splaya]

I love hearing that some guys have been extended by Tony Khan. In my eyes, it's the greatest thing they could do.


When AEW shuts down in 3 years, they can go work somewhere else like WWE and still be getting paid by Tony Khan as part of still owing on their contracts. Genius by MJF, Moxley, and Jericho.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It’s good for the individual bank accounts of the guys being paid, for sure. The day where Shad is going to need to payout all these ongoing contracts is likely though.

[Splaya]

Oh I don't disagree. But was Tony smart enough to write into those contracts language that says "if we go out of business, you cannot compete till the contract is up".

Like I know he's not going to have that physically written into a contract....Just saying.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Dave has completely changed his stance on Chris Jericho. He’s gone from saying he had a two year rollover to a one year one. The one year option always made more sense, but he was so certain it was two. Now he’s so certain it wasn’t.

My thinking is that either Jericho caught on that the optics of Jericho taking TK for a ride shows how desperate the company is to have stars under lock and key or the one year thing was always true and Dave is just clueless to how long his buddies are signed.

I do wonder if he just made up the two year thing with The Bucks too?

But this is all for the TV deal. That’s why TK is trying to suggest these guys with WWE names are involved in deep ways. You’d imagine they’d announce MJF signing to WBD for the same reason. That’s why I’m inclined to not believe the story of him being under a longer deal initially. I think they’re being pretty cavalier about who is Team AEW in order to get those TV deals, which obviously haven’t been penned yet. I also think this is a good indicator that Omega and The Bucks haven’t signed anything yet.

What happens if TK doesn’t get good TV deals? That is going to be interesting. Having Jericho and Mox under contract as you’re moving to AXS TV is a bit of a tough situation.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Oh I don't disagree. But was Tony smart enough to write into those contracts language that says "if we go out of business, you cannot compete till the contract is up".

Like I know he's not going to have that physically written into a contract....Just saying.

If there’s one thing I underestimated about Tony Khan, it was his penchant for sticking to legal advice and getting a tough contract done. And they have been ogres about those deals. He’s probably used to having lawyers cover his mistakes.

If AEW goes belly-up, I don’t think there would be a point to TK preventing them from working anywhere. I mean, they are independent contractors now, so there’s nothing stopping them from working WWE except TK not wanting them to.

If TK has a mental breakdown, WBD drop them, Shad wants to pull the plug, etc. — I think they just pay out the deals they have in place, sink the millions then Jericho, Mox, Danielson, etc. are free to work wherever. I don’t think we’ll get AOL/Time Warner paying WCW guys to sit at home even though there’s no WCW for them to wrestle on.

Unless the last ditch attempt to get something out of this is for TK to try and get people to buy out their deals. If AEW goes down, it would be interesting to see if WWE makes a play to purchase it and acquire whatever talent they have under contract, or whether they just let that mess sort itself out over time and use it as a cautionary lesson to wrestlers looking to sign with other billionaires.

[xrodmuc316]

This company has a guy who main evented 2 Wrestlemanias, and the best they could come up with is tapping him out to Daniel Garcia and having Wheeler Poopah talk down to him.

[Mr. Nerfect]

People still bring up how WCW misused Bret Hart 25 years later (and rightfully so). With AEW it’s “I guess Bryan doesn’t want to be used well.”

If another promotion booked like AEW, they would be laughing stock forever.

[Destor]

Danielson is just wanting to enjoy wrestling until hes ready to retire.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It makes for shitty television.

[Verbose Minch]

WBD reportedly wants to sign AEW longterm. These extensions for AEW's superstars are looking better by the second. Big Biceps Tony can't stop winning!

[Mr. Nerfect]

AEW fandom has turned into a meme. :lol:

[Mr. Nerfect]

By the way, the source for that is John Arezzi, and he makes no mention of how lucrative this alleged interest would or would not be. And it’s John Arezzi.

[Jordan]

I have dead zero interest in AEW right now. I think I will take off watching this week because it's a waste of time, it's Halloween goddamnit.

[weather vane]

Love AEDub. Can’t wait for tomorrow night.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I have dead zero interest in AEW right now. I think I will take off watching this week because it's a waste of time, it's Halloween goddamnit.

You will miss Sammy Guevara and Tay Conti dressing up as Joker and Harley Quinn or something because they’re edgy from 7 years ago.

[ron the dial]

dammit i wish there were still valid links for jon kano's joker costume posts...

[Mr. Nerfect]

AEW has gotten so bad even Dave Meltzer is being honest about it now.

[xrodmuc316]

WBD reportedly wants to sign AEW longterm. These extensions for AEW's superstars are looking better by the second. Big Biceps Tony can't stop winning!

That has never been the issue, getting resigned or not. The issue is that the "Business Model" Tiny sold his dad on was they would get the kind of increase WWE did from their next rights contract. A 3x increase has always been the pot of gold.

It does not matter one bit if AEW's new deal goes from $45 million per year to $55 million per year. The entire purpose was for AEW to get a $150+ million per year deal to make Shad's investment worth it.

If they do not 3x their current deal, then their entire business model of "making it back" goes out the window, and they will be forced to trim their budget. Shad cannot want to continue funding something after 4 years of waiting for that payday that did not come?

AEW operates like a $100 million TV show expecting to be making $150 million. If they do not get that $150+ million deal, there are going to have to be some tough decisions made.

[Sepholio]

By the way, the source for that is John Arezzi, and he makes no mention of how lucrative this alleged interest would or would not be. And it’s John Arezzi.

His entire basis for the claim is that there are AEW commercials during the MLB games on WBD networks.

He also claims that WBD want to negotiate this new deal because the current deal that they inherited with the merger is not very good for TBS/TNT and considered to be very one sided in favor of AEW.

That last bit doesn't make it sound like they are very high on AEW to me. What does it say when they apparently aren't happy with and consider the current 45 mill a year deal to be heavily in favor of the AEW side lol.

[xrodmuc316]

His entire basis for the claim is that there are AEW commercials during the MLB games on WBD networks.

He also claims that WBD want to negotiate this new deal because the current deal that they inherited with the merger is not very good for TBS/TNT and considered to be very one sided in favor of AEW.

That last bit doesn't make it sound like they are very high on AEW to me. What does it say when they apparently aren't happy with and consider the current 45 mill a year deal to be heavily in favor of the AEW side lol.

LOL that sounds like they want to give AEW less money. Shad is gonna be PISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSED!

[Mr. Nerfect]

AEW also get to keep half the ad profits, which is insane. If I were Warner, I’d be like “Yeah…no.” To make the current deal worth it, AEW would have to be pocketing <$45 million in ad rights. WBD wants that money.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lana is doing a Melissa Santos and is complaining about Miro’s booking on Twitter for him. Sounds like a really great place to work. At least they’re likely bringing back The Elite, which shouldn’t lead to any future problems at all.

[rez]

NBA, MLB, 'Rasslin, NCAA BBall Tournament games, and now NHL.

I miss NHL on NBC but that's quite the resume for WBD to make TNT (and TBS) a viable rival to Disney/ABC/ESPN.

[rez]

and I'm not forgetting the juggernaut of FOX/BTN. BTN is doing it's own thing with NBC now. It's just wild to keep up what all these companies are doing with live sports. I mean, AMAZON PRIME? This is the shit that is going to fuck up cord cutters, eventually.

[rez]

Lana is doing a Melissa Santos and is complaining about Miro’s booking on Twitter for him. Sounds like a really great place to work. At least they’re likely bringing back The Elite, which shouldn’t lead to any future problems at all.

It's criminal that no promotion since his Rusev Day gimmick can get him over. That shit was golden. It made his future wife and his partner look good.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Someone claiming to be from Punk’s camp is saying that Larry the Dog got hurt when The Elite stormed into Punk’s locker room. Dave says that the story did come from Punk’s camp, but it’s the first he’s heard of it and other people say it’s a lie, but he doesn’t want to hit that too hard so he can back away from basically accusing a man of lying about dog being hurt.

Dave Meltzer also SUPPORTS the claim that the investigation didn’t contact Lucy Guy at all. But you can totally trust its findings.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Why this is insane:

* Punk lying about his dog being hurt is pretty slanderous and would be easily verifiable. It’s a stupid lie to tell (if it came from him).

* If it wasn’t part of the investigation and it’s coming up now…wtf? I don’t believe Meltzer knows anything about the investigation, but if it’s genuinely from Punk, chances are that it was part of the investigation — whether true or not. The assertion that it’s a lie and it’s a fresh one seems very unlikely. What would Punk have to gain now versus what he could potentially lose?

* Punk doesn’t need the dog story. If The Elite barged into his locker room when he was on edge and started provoking him in a private space, while he was hurt and vulnerable, without neutral witnesses, him responding with violence to protect himself, his friends or his pet is not necessarily unreasonable action, even if you don’t condone violence. The Elite just flat-out shouldn’t have been there.

* If the investigation didn’t consult Lucy Guy…wtf? There’s always a chance she could just defend Punk. But if The Elite conducted themselves as saints, it’s possible she could tell the truth. It is possible for someone to put their welfare and integrity above a friendship if the friend acted irresponsibly. That they didn’t ask implies they didn’t expect the story they wanted to hear. That’s bullshit in an investigation.

It’s possible Punk hasn’t said anything about his dog, he just punched the fuckers for stepping to him, and Lucy Guy was spoken with and Dave is just an asshole. But this story makes the company look like a way bigger mess and Dave normally wouldn’t have part in that.

[xrodmuc316]

There is zero reason to believe that story now. If that happened to his dog, he should have put that out instantly. That would have completely changed the public sentiment.

Instead he waits until the day The Elite return to work/begin their comeback??? That is as transparent as Vince McMahon waiting until Punk's wedding day to fire him.

[Mr. Nerfect]

There is zero reason to believe that story now. If that happened to his dog, he should have put that out instantly. That would have completely changed the public sentiment.

Instead he waits until the day The Elite return to work/begin their comeback??? That is as transparent as Vince McMahon waiting until Punk's wedding day to fire him.

He would have put the story out day one. He just would have put it out to the company, expecting them to actually do a proper investigation.

We’ve only heard versions of The Elite’s story. It’s possible Punk thought the investigation would actually be fair so he played along and kept quiet, public sentiment be damned.

Punk looks better swiping at a Buck for going into his locker room and mouthing off and telling the company to piss up a rope than he does lying about his dog now. This would be a way to poison sentiment against him.

[Mr. Nerfect]

If the story has come from Punk and none of it was in the investigation, I’ll agree that Punk is an idiot and an asshole. But that seems dubious. I have a much easier time believing that AEW botched the investigation.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol, what a crazy world: We’re left debating whether CM Punk is an insane liar hiding behind his dog’s health or if the promotion could be so insane as to discard that information.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The attempts by Elite fans to wiggle out from the dog story are bizarre. They range from “his story has changed” (we haven’t heard his story) to feigning disbelief that someone cooperating with an investigation would keep quiet publicly.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Meltzer is so weird: I don’t know how he can perpetuate the idea that the AEW investigation didn’t contact Lucy Guy and still stand by its findings. Well, I guess we don’t know what the findings actually were. The investigation could have turned up “yep, The Elite are guilty as sin” and they’ve still brought them back because Punk is leaving, but you know what I mean.

Would be such a weird thing to spur on — true or not — that makes the company look like absolute shit. I guess his loyalty is to The Elite and not to AEW.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Serious question: Do Americans genuinely think it’s OK for a boss to barge in on a disgruntled employee? I’ve seen lots of otherwise reasonable people who seem to think it’s a good idea for an executive to kick in the office door of someone they’re mad at. I’ve seen things like “Well, I can tell you’ve never worked in the corporate world” when it comes to defending The Elite here, for real.

Over here, that sort of conduct would be considered a nightmare. Proper protocol would be to have security escort the disgruntled employee from the building or to call a meeting with the employee. Going in and getting in their face would be a giant wtf because of things like…this, frankly. We call it “escalation.”

I assumed it would be a thing the world over, but maybe it’s just commonwealth countries or some shit.

[drave]

No, it isn't alright.


Most people fail to report it for fear of retaliation. Most states are "at will" employment, meaning the employer can terminate your employment at anytime, for (mostly) any reason.

[xrodmuc316]

If somebody says "if you have a problem with me, come see me", is it really considered barging in? They already said the whole " kicking the door in" was a figure of speech, and that they didn't actually kick the door.

Phil invited them to come see him, and they did, with the company's lawyer with them. No matter how much people hate the Bucks, Phil should have expected them to come see him after he said to come see him.

[xrodmuc316]

The attempts by Elite fans to wiggle out from the dog story are bizarre. They range from “his story has changed” (we haven’t heard his story) to feigning disbelief that someone cooperating with an investigation would keep quiet publicly.

I hate the Elite lol. Still, that story only comes out now, the day they return to work behind the scenes. It makes no sense to hold that part of it back, because that would absolutely justify everything Punk did.

[Sepholio]

I find it absolutely ridiculous to take your dog to work with you in the first place.

[Mr. Nerfect]

If somebody says "if you have a problem with me, come see me", is it really considered barging in? They already said the whole " kicking the door in" was a figure of speech, and that they didn't actually kick the door.

Phil invited them to come see him, and they did, with the company's lawyer with them. No matter how much people hate the Bucks, Phil should have expected them to come see him after he said to come see him.

Yes, I would say it 100% is. My boss has an “open door policy.” It doesn’t literally mean you can just go in whenever you like lol. Also, I’m pretty sure Punk said that about mentoring guys. His locker room is always open. It doesn’t mean you can go in for whatever reasons whenever you want and if he doesn’t want someone in there he’s a massive hypocrite. THAT is what is called a figure of speech.

In the scrum, Punk said something along the lines of “if you’ve got something to say to me, I’ll walk the aisles of this place — let’s go.” That’s not the same as saying “Come into my locker room if you want to fight.” Also, The Bucks went and…yep, they got a fight (we’ve got no clue if Punk’s side is even backing away from the fight or if it’s something they stand by). We don’t know his side is even complaining they went or it’s just them complaining they did and got whacked (I don’t know what they expected to happen).

The whole Megha thing is weird, because you’d think the legal counsel would have the sense to say “Look, we shouldn’t do this.” That’s why I’m asking the question about whether yanks think it is OK. Over here, you see that, it doesn’t promote safety, it threatens with the opposite. For example: If Punk has it in his contract that when appropriate, he has his own space and people can’t just walk into his locker room whenever they want — and Megha knows this — seeing them violate that could very reasonable be interpreted as “OK, they clearly aren’t here kindly because they’re willing to breach my contract and invade my personal space and that cunt is just saying it’s OK.” I don’t know why Megha is a calming factor at all — especially if she’s as deep in as some speculate.

If Tony wanted to discipline Punk for the scrum (and that’s an if, because he didn’t discipline Page), then it would have been a phone call or arranged meeting later, right? That’s how things would work over here, which is why I’m asking. Too many people have made it seem way too normal for a manager or executive to just storm into a locker room, office, toilet, what have you because they didn’t like something the employee did. Over here, that would be considered GROSSLY inappropriate and incompetent.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I hate the Elite lol. Still, that story only comes out now, the day they return to work behind the scenes. It makes no sense to hold that part of it back, because that would absolutely justify everything Punk did.

Let’s say it did happen: When do you think you would hear about it? During the investigation when he was asked to keep to quiet? Isn’t it possible the story hasn’t come out because Punk was doing what he was told and expected the company to take his side because it would be insane not to?

I mean, you hate Phil, right? You just said it would justify his actions in this circumstance. I wouldn’t say it’s a coincidence it’s coming out now, but if it was true, wouldn’t the dog wanker bringing the dog kickers back because it’s absolutely insane be the trigger for it coming out? You might not bring it up outside the context of the investigation if you’ve got faith in the investigation or don’t expect them to just get off. Or you could bring it up out of spite once everything is done because fuck those guys. It doesn’t mean it’s a lie. That would be a massive salvo to shoot off in your own ship.

Just think it’s way more likely the claim has either falsely been attributed to Punk (possibly by The Elite, because they insidious like that) or that or that it’s only coming out publicly now. Doesn’t mean it’s true, but I would imagine it’s perceived to be true. But it’s detrimental and unnecessary as a lie.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I find it absolutely ridiculous to take your dog to work with you in the first place.

I agree. I wouldn’t do it. But I’m not an avid pet guy. Punk signed a massive contract and probably got some provisions thrown in there. Regardless of whether or not I would take my dog backstage to a wrestling show, if that’s a part of Punk’s process allotted to him by the company and he had an expected right to privacy in that locker room — well, that’s just more reason to get mad when the dog gets hurt.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I imagine some stars talk business in their private locker room. Some would have weird mental things they do and don’t want other people in their space for them. Some have private visitors. Punk playing with his dog before he spends time with another man’s wife and plans his next failed venture is all the more reason why seeing the company’s lawyer come barging in might have been more of a threat than less of one.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It’s still just wild to me that even Dave Meltzer is saying Lucy Guy wasn’t even consulted as part of the investigation.

I want to say “Come on, that can’t be true,” but it’s alarming that with AEW you can’t be sure.

[xrodmuc316]

I cleaned up the language a bit, but he was not talking about mentoring anybody. He literally said "if you have a fucking problem with me, take it up with me, let's fucking go".

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The Bucks tried, and Phil came out swinging.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I cleaned up the language a bit, but he was not talking about mentoring anybody. He literally said "if you have a fucking problem with me, take it up with me, let's fucking go".

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The Bucks tried, and Phil came out swinging.

That’s what I mean though. He said he’ll be up and down the hallways, not aisles, sorry. That makes him sound like an usher, ha. But he didn’t say come into my locker room. That was in regards to the mentoring. Something along the lines of “if a young guy wants advice, my locker room is always open.” I don’t think it was from the media scrum. But people are conflating his statement about his locker room being open for mentoring to his one about walking the hallways and to take your bullshit up with him.

That’s if you want to take those things literally anyway. And for all we know he stands by socking the Buck and is still like “Yeah, let’s fucking go.” I think they may have thought hiding in a group with so many people would have deterred him, but it’s like they went both looking for a fight but wanted him to be too scared at the same time. And Punk can’t take too many people, he can probably take a member of The Elite. :lol:

[Evil Vito]

BREAKING: It has been confirmed that The Elite threw Larry up in the air and gave him a triple superkick

SOURCE: Trust me bro

[Blonde Moment]

I find it absolutely ridiculous to take your dog to work with you in the first place.

Henry Cavill does

[xrodmuc316]

BREAKING: It has been confirmed that The Elite threw Larry up in the air and gave him a triple superkick

SOURCE: Trust me bro

Bullshit! No way they would just simply throw him in the air. They would have done it in a way that Larry flipped and corkscrewed like Pac doing that the black arrow, and only then would they have hit to superkicks :lol:

[Mr. JL]

Either way, this is all on Tony Khan.

1. Settle this shit before it gets to this point.

2. If a wrestler is actively bleeding, has not showered, has medically been declared fucking injured and needing surgery; don't have them to do a meaningless/pointless/no money making post media scrum PPV whatever. Just Don't!

3. Tony Khan should have shut that shit down.

4. The Elite should have let some of the dust settle; let CM Punk go to his locker room to decompress, shower, whatever and raise the issue at a more appropriate time after talking to The Boss who is obviously busy and unavailable.

5. Fuck an investigation! This is professional wrestling and if shit happens, it happens, go make fucking money off it. Had AEW spun all of this shit into an angle where the EVP Elites took out the AEW Champ backstage after ALL OUT and now Kenny Omega becomes the AEW Champ and Punk is just GONE! INJURED! MEGA HEAT. You could fix things while he gets surgery and rehabs... hey Punk here's 1 Million and I want you to get over this, heal up and be ready to do business when your ready. We're MAKING MONEY when you are ready.

6. They made this all pretty lame.

[Sting Fan]

BREAKING: It has been confirmed that The Elite threw Larry up in the air and gave him a triple superkick

SOURCE: Trust me bro

I'm at the point where I hope they did and followed it up with a BTE trigger with full poses.

Man... Punk went from Wrestling big deal to MMA joke back to fairly big wrestling deal and now hes claiming terrified self defence because management brought a lawyer into his dressing room.

I'm unashamedly with the Elite on this one until someone gives some indication they did anything other than exactly what Punk claimed he wanted while throwing his tantrum at the media session.

[Sting Fan]

Anyway, in positive AEW vibes the womens divisions getting a lot better lately. I was certainly not into it other than Jade a little and now her act is starting to get stale with me but Hayter is just awesome.

Toni Storm is really growing on me, Shida is great, Riho is fun, Baker talking and not necesarily working is good, Saraya I can take or leave but happy to give it time to breath yet.

Generally the women have been better lately.

MJF face turn... not a fan, let him be a prick people cheer. I sincerely hope he out heels the heels and people still cheer him like a madman.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Either way, this is all on Tony Khan.

1. Settle this shit before it gets to this point.

2. If a wrestler is actively bleeding, has not showered, has medically been declared fucking injured and needing surgery; don't have them to do a meaningless/pointless/no money making post media scrum PPV whatever. Just Don't!

3. Tony Khan should have shut that shit down.

4. The Elite should have let some of the dust settle; let CM Punk go to his locker room to decompress, shower, whatever and raise the issue at a more appropriate time after talking to The Boss who is obviously busy and unavailable.

5. Fuck an investigation! This is professional wrestling and if shit happens, it happens, go make fucking money off it. Had AEW spun all of this shit into an angle where the EVP Elites took out the AEW Champ backstage after ALL OUT and now Kenny Omega becomes the AEW Champ and Punk is just GONE! INJURED! MEGA HEAT. You could fix things while he gets surgery and rehabs... hey Punk here's 1 Million and I want you to get over this, heal up and be ready to do business when your ready. We're MAKING MONEY when you are ready.

6. They made this all pretty lame.

Tony Khan has to wear A LOT of the blame. He let The Elite run wild politically. Adam Page got away with his double-cross. Nothing was settled in the meantime. It’s just a mess.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol, one of the goobers is reporting that Chris Jericho told CM Punk he is a cancer to the locker room and a detriment to the business. Was Jericho trying to compliment Punk’s game?

[Sepholio]

CM Phils schvantz must taste amazing considering how much you have it in your mouth these days.

[Mr. Nerfect]

CM Phils schvantz must taste amazing considering how much you have it in your mouth these days.

CM Punk can retire if he wants. He’s good, but I can do without him. The Elite are total scum though.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Dave Meltzer is peddling more of their bullshit, by the way. He’s regurgitating the “dog story would have surfaced shit.” You weren’t fed it by The Elite, Dave.

[drave]

So Dave, who makes money peddling bullshit, is peddling more bullshit?!?!!?




KAYFABE IS SO DED!

[Mr. Nerfect]

There’s a difference between working and being worked.

[xrodmuc316]

Dave Meltzer is peddling more of their bullshit, by the way. He’s regurgitating the “dog story would have surfaced shit.” You weren’t fed it by The Elite, Dave.

Now I feel real gross that I came to that conclusion. Unless Dave lurks here and stole my opinion, I was clearly wrong.

Also, Jericho telling somebody else they are detrimental to a locker room is amazing. :rofl:

[Destor]

Jericho is right if true

[Mr. Nerfect]

Now I feel real gross that I came to that conclusion. Unless Dave lurks here and stole my opinion, I was clearly wrong.

Also, Jericho telling somebody else they are detrimental to a locker room is amazing. :rofl:

There’s lots of anti-Punk stories coming out now. There’s a lot of people asking “Why are we just hearing about the dog now?” but conversely, isn’t it more odd that we’re getting a string of anti-Punk stuff now? :lol:

It’s all a symptom of how AEW is run and the culture there. You can’t trust shit coming from its management.

It’s hilarious to imagine Jericho, confidently and sincerely, dressed up as him gimmick with his lackeys around, telling CM Punk he’s only in it for himself.

[Evil Vito]

I was actually in the Mohegan Sun casino today (where tonight’s live Rampage takes place). My mom and I had planned a day off to gamble for a while now.

I figured I’d it was a good card, what the hell, walk up and buy tickets and just make it a late night since I’ve got a 2 hour drive home.

Tonight’s card? Horrendous. Mox/Menard could be fun but is obviously a foregone conclusion…then you have Wardlow/Taven and Conti/Rayne.

Genuinely an embarrassing card for a stand-alone Ranpage you’ve sold tickets for.

[slik]

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[Sepholio]

Dunno if anyone posted it yet but Bandido and Juice Robinson have signed AEW contracts. lmao more people they have no time for, yay.

[Sepholio]

In saying that, it was reported that Bandido signed like a month ago and then that story was retracted the next day, so I won't be surprised if this ends up being taken back as well.

[xrodmuc316]

AEW should not hire anybody new. I don't listen to Cornette often, but he spent an hour going through who on the AEW roster they should keep or cut. He only went through the men, and he only got through people named A-N. 1 hour, only got through half the alphabet. That is how bloated the roster is, but yeah, let's add CJ Parker :rofl:

[Mr. Nerfect]

It’s beyond parody at this point. This is the same company that said they wouldn’t make the same mistakes as WCW. They’ve got Chris Jericho and The Elite running around like Hulk Hogan if he knew how to use the Observer and about 120 people on the Nailz deal.

It is fucking ludicrous that they’ve got Brian Cage under contract, he’s had like 2 matches this year and they EXTENDED his contract. That’s Iron Sheik stuff.

The video game is going to come out and you’re going to have CM Punk on the cover and a roster that has Abadon, Kip Sabian and Frankie Kazarian but likely no FTR. It’s fucking nuts.

[Mr. Nerfect]

There’s no drama in any of the matches on Rampage ever.

[Lock Jaw]

lolAEW

[Mr. Nerfect]

Brian Last has made another not-so-subtle reference to there being something about Kenny Omega that AEW doesn’t want to get out about him. It came up during Cornette’s AEW roster evaluation.

Also, I can’t remember if it’s been brought up here, but Last has also alluded to a closeness between Jericho and Megha Parekh. So when people talk about her being AEW’s lawyer and #2, it’s probably important to keep in mind the possibility that she is fucking Chris Jericho how much influence that gives him and how unbiased that makes her.

I’ve seen people act like she is a “neutral party” and her being allegedly present for the brawl excuses them not interviewing Lucy Guy. She’s quite possibly part of the corruption.

[Fignuts]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

Alright, so I just heard that AEW booked The Firm to turn on MJF.

I heard Alvarez defending this. I’ve been masochistic and been in a mood to listen to things that are going to frustrate me to no end. I don’t know why I do it to myself lol. Alvarez was crowing about how no harm can come from a babyface MJF turn. That’s just flat-out wrong. This is probably sabotage. But that’s what you get for signing with this company, I guess.

But let’s say you wanted to turn MJF face. You can’t do a promo where he goes after Moxley and says “A few years ago I tried to take that World Title from you and I failed. I was a prodigy and I talked the talk, but I found out the hard way that every stupid rumor about you is true. I hate it, but you’re every bit as good as they say. You dress like crap but you’ve earned millions being at the top of the game for so long. But I’m not going to be knocked back again. I am going to be the change that AEW needs and this time I am forcing you to get up to my level.” They’ve got to have his group turn on him and beat the piss out of him to try and make people feel sympathy for him. It makes no sense. Why do you feel sorry for that asshole? He didn’t do anything active.

This is classic WWE booking, actually. It’s Vince’s fetish for humiliating people. This is not how you get a babyface over.

Now, there are people who say this is a SWERVE! The Firm are going to be with MJF all along. You know, the old Vince Russo trick. The heels beat up their own guy but secretly they all love each other and wrestling’s fake bro. Alvarez defended this because AEW is doing it. He says MJF is “the devil,” so it makes sense for him to go to such measures. What? Why? Why not NOT have your guys beat you up? If Moxley actually falls for that, then he’s a stupid babyface.

This is stupid either way you cut it. The best case scenario is that The Firm legit turned on MJF to go off on their own and he is still a heel. It’s messy, but it doesn’t fuck with anyone and could help The Firm.

But that is such a Jericho idea if I ever heard one. It reeks of the same gaps in logic and disregard for the faces as his current ROH World Champion thing. I bet Jericho still hasn’t let the NY Times article and Punk and MJF’s jabs at him go.

[screech]

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lmao

[Mr. Nerfect]

Nick Hausman has shared more of the alleged CM Punk side of the story. Not too much more, but basically Punk reached out to Hausman to apologize for the press scrum. Hausman told Punk he wasn’t friends with Colt Cabana anymore and said Punk didn’t owe him an apology really, but Punk did it anyway.

Hausman told this to Dave off the record, but Dave reported it anyway.

Hausman reached out to Punk’s camp about his side, not vice versa. He got the impression that Punk won’t wrestle again, but there are similarities between Punk and Cody who partly left because he was alienated in the locker room and had rumors spread about him by The Elite — the same thing happened with Punk. I’m not sure if this comes from Hausman drawing the comparisons or Punk doing it, sorry. But The Elite aren’t above sabotaging people and Hausman thinks he got a lot from Punk’s side because they’re frustrated.

Hausman is skeptical of the integrity of the investigation. Apparently contact between the investigators and Punk’s side was minimal. That’s probably the freshest detail from Hausman’s most recent appearance. He feels Punk is frustrated that the information out there is so one-sided.

Colt Cabana was a part of the badmouthing before Punk even got there — Hausman believes it because Colt did the same to him in the Chicago comedy scene.

[Sepholio]

holy shit now Noid is blaming MJFs booking on Jericho now because Jericho dared to tell CM Punk how trash he is. What a fucking maroon.

[Sepholio]

The Repeated Rise and Fall of Noid onto CM Punks Penis. This season on Dork Side of The Ring.

[Mr. Nerfect]

holy shit now Noid is blaming MJFs booking on Jericho now because Jericho dared to tell CM Punk how trash he is. What a fucking maroon.

Cry harder. Jericho is a piece of shit and has sucked for years.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The Repeated Rise and Fall of Noid onto CM Punks Penis. This season on Dork Side of The Ring.

Slurp up that AEW kool-aid. Want a boot to go with it?

[xrodmuc316]

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:rofl: love it

[xrodmuc316]

I love how all these guys can badmouth a ton of different people, but if Colt Cabana badmouths them, it all fucking burns. Why are they so fragile about Scotty Boom Boom, of all people?

[Mr. Nerfect]

He was just the tool The Elite used to try and fuck with Punk’s influence behind the scenes.

[Evil Vito]

Imagine hating AEW so much you assume that the female head of legal must be fucking talent because the investigation didn’t yield the result you wanted.

[screech]

From "believe women, always" to this. Unreal.

[ron the dial]

Imagine hating AEW so much you assume that the female head of legal must be fucking talent because the investigation didn’t yield the result you wanted.

it's even better coming from the guy that was lecturing a queer about homophobia recently

[Sepholio]

Funny how the only person who agrees with Noid happens to be Dale. That speaks volumes in itself.

:kiss:

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

It tells us that Noid is a free thinker and visionary.

[Sepholio]

Those are fancy words for "wrong".

[Mr. Nerfect]

Imagine hating AEW so much you assume that the female head of legal must be fucking talent because the investigation didn’t yield the result you wanted.

Imagine being so twisted this is what you think is actually going on.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Poor AEW having me picking on it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol at Meltzer reporting that “some top names” in AEW refuse to work with Punk.

I’m sure Jericho, Omega, Page, The Bucks and Matt Hardy said that.

It’s funny how Meltzer has to keep those sources quiet. It’s very important that *some* of the top names in AEW let it be known they refuse to work with Punk. They’ve got standards after all. But don’t quote them on that.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Punk’s main issue is he’s a piss-poor politicker. And that’s a knock—politics are life and vice versa. I don’t think there’s anything all that wrong with him giving a Jackson brother a smack and I feel if he was willing to make nice afterwards just to move forward, all would be well. But he’s the type to double down and take the path of most resistance.

Honestly even if he apologized, he would still be the guy who punched a buck. He’d still have sway given the size of his contract. And well, Ace Steele bit someone so he’s collateral damage.

[The Fraze]

Left this comment on a YouTube video weeks before All Out:

"CM Punk is proving to be the king of dishing it out but unable to take it, that he is exactly what he claims to hate, a mark for himself and cancer to the locker room."

[xrodmuc316]

I would be good if we never hear from Punk again. He got some good Shad $ out of all this, he needs to retire and fuck off from the wrestling business forever.

To be fair though, I would have been good never hearing from him again before the scrum and fighting :rofl:

[The Fraze]

It's been said over and over, but how it went from the insanity of his return to this in one year is shocking but also pretty fitting.

[Destor]

Crazy how everywhere punk goes this happens. Why are people so unfair to him?

[xrodmuc316]

I hope Punk goes back to UFC, he deserves another public embarrassment :lol:

[The Fraze]

It's on brand.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Punk’s main issue is he’s a piss-poor politicker. And that’s a knock—politics are life and vice versa. I don’t think there’s anything all that wrong with him giving a Jackson brother a smack and I feel if he was willing to make nice afterwards just to move forward, all would be well. But he’s the type to double down and take the path of most resistance.

Honestly even if he apologized, he would still be the guy who punched a buck. He’d still have sway given the size of his contract. And well, Ace Steele bit someone so he’s collateral damage.

Yeah, he’s exactly the sort of guy who would tell his story in an investigation, admit he did wrong, eat his lumps and expect the punishment to go round equally, only to discover that the other people told stories of purple monsters and dragons fighting knights.

When people in a toxic workplace don’t like you, you’re going to get in trouble whatever you do. If you don’t eat in the lunchroom, you’re antisocial; if you do, you’re trying to take over the lunchroom. He can’t negotiate that environment, because his mentality would be “I was just trying to eat lunch on my break.”

I really doubt he would want to return. If his goal is to help younger talent, he’s better off going to train at the Performance Center. In AEW, anyone he works with is going to receive pushback. Even if they learn how to work better, they’re going to be a political outcast. The well is poisoned.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Left this comment on a YouTube video weeks before All Out:

"CM Punk is proving to be the king of dishing it out but unable to take it, that he is exactly what he claims to hate, a mark for himself and cancer to the locker room."

Where is this “Punk can’t take it” coming from? Is it because Adam Page cut that promo live on Dynamite? Because there’s a difference between doing it behind the scenes, cutting a worked promo and going off-script and into business for yourself.

Tony Khan would have set a direction for Punk/Page. They all would have been clued in on what that is. Punk seemed interested in working with Page. He probably offered pointers on the promo and had input in the creative direction of the program (if not outright control). For a guy to walk out there and use his time to go in the opposite direction is absolutely insane and unprofessional. It’s fair enough to want an apology for that. Tony really fucked up by not putting his foot down there, because Page shat all over him too.

That’s not the same as “not being able to take it.” Say whatever you want about him, but Punk has always been the butt of a lot of jokes and had very vocal critics (sometimes rightfully so). To say the guy has thin skin is a bit of a sweetened perspective based on dislike. The dude went out there, got his ass hammered in the UFC and still has the audacity to go on TV and act like a tough guy.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Crazy how everywhere punk goes this happens. Why are people so unfair to him?

I never got the TNA story, but WWE and AEW are two places. He didn’t work in 2014 WWE in the end. He didn’t get fired, he quit in a huff because he was burnt and didn’t like the creative direction for himself (and made the case for others, but who knows how self-serving this is). That doesn’t necessarily mean that AEW being a clown show where the talons are already out for him (pre-existing heat with Chris Jericho, Colt Cabana, etc.) is irrelevant.

I get once you’re labelled a problem child, bad teachers are going to blame you for everything, but that’s a tool for the sneaky children to use you as a scapegoat too. I guarantee this isn’t going to be the last of AEW’s backstage problems. And it wasn’t the first.

Conversely, haven’t The Bucks had heat everywhere they went too? In WWE they pissed off the vets with their attitudes. They left TNA in a huff to try and go to ROH, who didn’t really want them in the first place. New Japan got cranky at them for the whole AEW thing. Kenny Omega had heat with ROH and New Japan at different points. I don’t know what kind of impression he made in WWE developmental, but there are the stories about him being a prick at Harley Race’s camp.

[The Fraze]

I sympathize with and am similar to a few of the ways CM Punk is and live a lonely life because it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I’m familiar with the ways of guys like Chris Jericho, Omega & The Bucks too. Punk is a blunt asshole. They’re sneaky assholes.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Punk is also likely a narcissist about his work. He probably thinks it’s better than it even is, but he at least strives for greatness. Jericho and The Elite want whatever they do to be seen as greatness.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Punk’s the kid who wants to get an A so he can go summer camp. Jericho and The Elite are the kids who get a new bike if they’re top of the class but are sitting on B’s.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Danielson’s the smartest guy in the class but is getting C’s because he doesn’t want to be fighting after school.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Moxley’s eating glue.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Tony Khan is the teacher who leaves a glass vase on his desk with a soccer ball in the room and tells his class not to kick it while he goes out of the room for 10 minutes, and if it does get broken, it’s going to come down to a vote as to who gets punished.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Yeah like I get CM Punk is an asshole but Jericho emerging from this as more of a locker room leader could have far reaching negative consequences. He’s an aging glory hound whose best days are behind him. I really dug some of his new Japan stuff when he started being more vicious but then he just got weird and lost in the sauce.


The Bucks and Omega will keep lowering AEW’s ceiling of course. On top of that, I can’t help but look at the treatment of thunder Rosa and question what’s going on behind the scenes in that company. Also, Cody. And Rusev being wasted tells me all I need to know as well.

I’m still more on the side of AEW in the “war” because unlike the Noidster, they serve such a crucial purpose as the opposition, even if AEW is a facsimile of a competitor. But Tony’s handling of this situation and many others are worrisome. The Sammy and Andrade beef is another situation he totally bungled.

It seems they’re going to veer more into indyriffic bucks and Kenny bullshit, too. So there’s that to dread.

[Mr. Nerfect]

That pretty much nails Jericho. He’s completely sold out what he once laid down as his artistic principles. To say “lost in the sauce” is right.

I get people want an alternative to WWE. I do too. I really do. I really hope something falls out in the coming months, years, etc. A lot of guys have a lot of money now. A network could get interested but not want to go into business with a pre-existing party. Hell, Punk could start his own splinter cell promotion when he heals up and maybe some AEW guys like FTR, MJF, Wardlow, Starks, Hobbs and Miro get free.

Splinter Cell Wrestling has got a ring to it. SCW was the name of the territory Joe Blanchard used to run. Could be a good homage if they can use those initials in a promotion with Tessa Blanchard (on good behavior watch) as the top female star. Plus you’ve got “SC,” “Second City.” It’s the promotion born from the fire of AEW. Just some branding ideas.

But anyway, I hope something shakes up this paradigm, because WWE as monopoly isn’t good and AEW isn’t cutting it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I’m really hoping for a NOAH-like exodus from AEW lol.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I’m also hoping WWE under Triple H considers trying on some different flavors. I’ve heard Triple H and Jim Cornette both attribute “chocolate, vanilla” to Vince McMahon (in terms of different flavors you can serve people). But everything in WWE has the same goddamn flavor. Even if the recipe has improved lately.

WWE own the WCW IP. Try something different in an 18x18 and don’t slap WWE all over it. Please.

[xrodmuc316]

Tony Khan is the teacher who leaves a glass vase on his desk with a soccer ball in the room and tells his class not to kick it while he goes out of the room for 10 minutes, and if it does get broken, it’s going to come down to a vote as to who gets punished.

Tony Khan is the teacher who wants to go to dinner at his student's house, then they catch him getting too friendly with their dogs.

[weather vane]

AEW is deadly.

[#1-norm-fan]

From "believe women, always" to this. Unreal.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ScratchyJoyousEyelashpitviper-size_restricted.gif

[Mr. Nerfect]

Tony Khan is the teacher who wants to go to dinner at his student's house, then they catch him getting too friendly with their dogs.

The reason he leaves the children unattended is to jack-off a pinscher that wandered onto school grounds.

[xrodmuc316]

The reason he leaves the children unattended is to jack-off a pinscher that wandered onto school grounds.

That I believe! LOL fucking Tiny Khan

[xrodmuc316]

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[The Fraze]

Pretty awesome that Cody is back in WWE, though. His return is going to be epic and I can only assume Triple H as the head of creative will make it even better.

Assuming he wins the Royal Rumble and defeats Roman at WrestleMania.

[Mr. Nerfect]

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Lol, that seems to be the implication. I don’t really buy Cody’s tweet. Maybe he’s being genuine…I dunno. It seems like it could be a political flex. But he did seem to say a lot without saying it, didn’t he?

[Mr. Nerfect]

It could also be a dig at Chris Jericho too.

[XL]

I would be good if we never hear from Punk again.

I don’t think this needed to be stated.

[XL]

Lol, that seems to be the implication. I don’t really buy Cody’s tweet. Maybe he’s being genuine…I dunno. It seems like it could be a political flex. But he did seem to say a lot without saying it, didn’t he?

So, what was Cody’s tweet?

[Sting Fan]

Exact Tweet below...

"I didn’t leave because of the Bucks/Kenny. I’m forever bonded to those men over what we created and I remain very proud of it, and I didn’t leave because of/or have issues with Punk. We got along. Not money, not booking, just a personal issue and my wanting to go for the big one."

He didn't specifically name Will Hobbs as being fine with him though so Hobbs backstage cancer confirmed, AEW to shut down in the coming weeks due to it.

[xrodmuc316]

Exact Tweet below...

"I didn’t leave because of the Bucks/Kenny. I’m forever bonded to those men over what we created and I remain very proud of it, and I didn’t leave because of/or have issues with Punk. We got along. Not money, not booking, just a personal issue and my wanting to go for the big one."

He didn't specifically name Will Hobbs as being fine with him though so Hobbs backstage cancer confirmed, AEW to shut down in the coming weeks due to it.

Well yeah, nobody asked if he left because of Will Hobbs. That said, Hobbs turned on Ricky Starks, and that is Cody's boy, so Hobbs is probably a jerk!

[The Fraze]

Fortunately for Cody, returning to WWE was always his goal so he can easily fall back on that being the reason. Even if there is actually more to it than that.

[Mr. Nerfect]

There’s more.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Exact Tweet below...

"I didn’t leave because of the Bucks/Kenny. I’m forever bonded to those men over what we created and I remain very proud of it, and I didn’t leave because of/or have issues with Punk. We got along. Not money, not booking, just a personal issue and my wanting to go for the big one."

He didn't specifically name Will Hobbs as being fine with him though so Hobbs backstage cancer confirmed, AEW to shut down in the coming weeks due to it.

I didn’t realize Hobbs was a powerbroker in AEW. Fuck, dude’s pretty humble not even putting himself on TV.

[drave]

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LOLOL!!!! That's fantastic

[Splaya]

There’s more.

I could definitely see it being Jericho, but with all the struggles this company has had in the past few weeks, I just tend to believe that it is Tony Khan.

Wasn't it Khan who came up with the idea that Cody will have a match and if he loses, he will never get a World Title Shot in the company?

Like Cody was red hot at the beginning of AEW and that's the angle you take with your company?

Probably should have seen this all from the start.

[drave]

Cody shouldn't dethrone Reigns, get outta here.

[#1-norm-fan]

Definitely remember Cody saying at the time that the “I can never challenge for the world title again” thing was his idea and that the other EVPs and Tony were against it. He said he didn’t wanna face the same criticism others, mainly Dusty, had faced booking himself on top and wanted to nip it in the bud immediately.

[drave]

I recall that as well. But we are all unwashed marks.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I could definitely see it being Jericho, but with all the struggles this company has had in the past few weeks, I just tend to believe that it is Tony Khan.

Wasn't it Khan who came up with the idea that Cody will have a match and if he loses, he will never get a World Title Shot in the company?

Like Cody was red hot at the beginning of AEW and that's the angle you take with your company?

Probably should have seen this all from the start.

Well the whole point of a “such and such can’t challenge” angle is that they eventually get to challenge. Everyone was so certain that it was going somewhere…nope.

Cody had his issues in AEW. But he also faced issues. He was clearly more a pro-wrestling guy than The Elite were. Cody made some references early on about the bad refereeing and how you won’t see refs ignoring blatant interference in the future. Lol.

A clear divide obviously popped up between Cody’s camp and The Elite’s camp. They didn’t appear in his reality show. Omega himself brought them up on Dave’s show. If things were sunshine and roses, things wouldn’t have been the way they were.

TK, Jericho, The Elite, Punk, Danielson coming in — it could have been a bunch of things. But it is interesting what Cody didn’t mention in a tweet that was clearly going to be analyzed. And hey, that could be a strategic move too. Making TK or Jericho the problem when they aren’t going anywhere is a good way to make talent uncomfortable there and either force the company to shift from the outside or unify talent in their discomfort.

Could be the first subtle shot in an Elite/Jericho war.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

lol all I'll say is every time I hear Britt Baker open her mouth outside of a kayfabe context, she sounds like such a bootlicker. Probably Destor's favorite wrestler at this point.

[Fignuts]

Cody shouldn't dethrone Reigns, get outta here.

Hard disagree. Dude was massively over and is going to be even more over when he comes back. You also have the built in storyline of Cody winning the title his father never could.

There is no better option than Cody right now.

[Vastardikai]

lol all I'll say is every time I hear Britt Baker open her mouth outside of a kayfabe context, she sounds like such a bootlicker. Probably Destor's favorite wrestler at this point.

Well, how else is she going to get to go to all the Basketball, Football, and American Football games?

[drave]

Hard disagree. Dude was massively over and is going to be even more over when he comes back. You also have the built in storyline of Cody winning the title his father never could.

There is no better option than Cody right now.




I'll reserve that for when he comes back and how it's done..... but yeah. He never has seemed like "the man" to me, even in AEW. Better than he was in WWE, but still not "it".


I don't give a shit about him winning something his daddy didn't. I'm sure that'll tug some heart strings because RIP Dusty.


And the fact there is "no better option" IS the fucking problem IMO. Honestly, right now, Sami Zayn has a better story as to why/how he will dethrone Reigns.





I'm aware this is an unpopular opinion, much like my views on both Edge and Christian.

[Fignuts]

Cody looks like a star, and carrys himself like a star. And he is consistently able to get the audience emotionally invested in what hes doing, whether its a promo or in the ring. A feat only a handful of guys are capable of accomplishing these days.

As amazing as sami and this storyline has been, I just can't see him as the one to dethrone reigns and be the guy. Cod's story and presentation just feels much more grandiose and fitting of the gravitas that comes with a wrestlemania program.

Sami will likely get betrayed, and it will lead to him reuniting with Owens as they've been teasing.

[Lock Jaw]

I'm with drave on this one. Cody just doesn't seem like "the guy". He still seems like someone pretending to be a bigger star than he actually is, and I feel like the more people see of him the more he will get "exposed"... such as how the AEW fans eventually turned on him and started booing. The switch to WWE made him fresh and exciting, but he still is just not as big a star as he wants to pretend to be.

The fact is there is literally no one ready or "at the level" to take the belt off of Roman Reigns.

As I have been saying elsewhere, I can really see it being Sami Zayn... but it isn't like he is going to be a "serious" champion or be a very long reining one.... but someone has to take the belt off Reigns eventually, and right now the way the story is going, that man should be Sami Zayn. Then the title can eventually go back "down a level" to where sure, eventually Cody can win it and have a run, why not?

Just feel like Sami taking the title is the perfect WM moment and buildup. Cody would be a letdown.

[Fignuts]

He still seems like someone pretending to be a bigger star than he actually is,
.

I have seen this mentioned about cody several times before, and I don't understand it at all.

How is he supposed to act? The whole point of wrestling is showmanship and acting like you're hot shit. Should he be yet another of these endless, boring, humble, so happy to be here guys? If everyone acted like they were a bigger star than they are, then wrestling as whole would be better.

Like, I'm not trying to be a dick here, but what the hell do you guys want from the guy?

[Fignuts]

The fact is there is literally no one ready or "at the level" to take the belt off of Roman Reigns.

As I have been saying elsewhere, I can really see it being Sami Zayn... but it isn't like he is going to be a "serious" champion or be a very long reining one.... but someone has to take the belt off Reigns eventually, and right now the way the story is going, that man should be Sami Zayn. Then the title can eventually go back "down a level" to where sure, eventually Cody can win it and have a run, why not?

Just feel like Sami taking the title is the perfect WM moment and buildup. Cody would be a letdown.

This seems counter productive to me. We've spent years complaining that the wwe titles don't mean anything. Now we have one of the best reigns (lol) we've ever had, the title is more prestigious than its been in years, and you want to end with a guy you just admitted wouldn't be a serious long reigning champion, and would depreciate the value of belt enough for the guy you dont like to get it?

Help me out here, Jaw man.

[Lock Jaw]

I have seen this mentioned about cody several times before, and I don't understand it at all.

How is he supposed to act? The whole point of wrestling is showmanship and acting like you're hot shit. Should he be yet another of these endless, boring, humble, so happy to be here guys? If everyone acted like they were a bigger star than they are, then wrestling as whole would be better.

Like, I'm not trying to be a dick here, but what the hell do you guys want from the guy?

I'm not saying that he 100% shouldn't act like that, and you're right, everybody should. Just saying that I don't necessarily always need to buy into what they are selling.

Like when they started presenting Jinder Mahal as main event world champion. Now, that is quite an unfair comparison because Cody is MILES ahead of Jinder Mahal. Just saying that it is a thing to be presented as/pretend to be a bigger star than you are, and it doesn't work all the time.

[Lock Jaw]

This seems counter productive to me. We've spent years complaining that the wwe titles don't mean anything. Now we have one of the best reigns (lol) we've ever had, the title is more prestigious than its been in years, and you want to end with a guy you just admitted wouldn't be a serious long reigning champion, and would depreciate the value of belt enough for the guy you dont like to get it?

Help me out here, Jaw man.

The title is gonna get depreciated no matter what once it gets taken off of Reigns, because there is no one else on that level.

So it might as well be with the best story/moment possible. That just isn't Cody, sorry. If it is Cody, the same goes for him, he wouldn't be a super long reigning champ and the title would still be depreciated......

So go for the best story/moment. That is what will stick out in the anals of history. (Spelling mistake on purpose because it is funny)

[Fignuts]

I'm not saying that he 100% shouldn't act like that, and you're right, everybody should. Just saying that I don't necessarily always need to buy into what they are selling.

Like when they started presenting Jinder Mahal as main event world champion. Now, that is quite an unfair comparison because Cody is MILES ahead of Jinder Mahal. Just saying that it is a thing to be presented as/pretend to be a bigger star than you are, and it doesn't work all the time.

That's fair, but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Cody checks all the boxes for me, for what a top star should be.

[Lock Jaw]

And that's fine. I'm not one of those here to say my opinion is right and yours is wrong. Everyone is entitled to their own thoughts, feelings, and opinions. :y:

[Fignuts]

The title is gonna get depreciated no matter what once it gets taken off of Reigns, because there is no one else on that level.

So it might as well be with the best story/moment possible. That just isn't Cody, sorry. If it is Cody, the same goes for him, he wouldn't be a super long reigning champ and the title would still be depreciated......

So go for the best story/moment. That is what will stick out in the anals of history. (Spelling mistake on purpose because it is funny)

Well the story right now is between Sami and Jey, and I'm not sure I have faith in them to successfully transition all the heat to Sami and Reigns. Part of the reason this has worked so well is the chemistry between sami and jey. I still think we're headed towards Sami and Owens vs the Usos. We've seen the little moments where owens still believes in sami.

[xrodmuc316]

Nobody is taking the belt off Roman until Disney buys WWE and Roman retires.

[DrA]

I agree with Fignuts, Cody’s the guy to do it, especially after the torn pec, they lucked into this story.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Cody’s fine. I’m not feeling it right now, but he’s been gone. If he wins the Rumble and has the promos with Reigns, it could feel perfect. But there are other options they could go with too.

[drave]

I have seen this mentioned about cody several times before, and I don't understand it at all.

How is he supposed to act? The whole point of wrestling is showmanship and acting like you're hot shit. Should he be yet another of these endless, boring, humble, so happy to be here guys? If everyone acted like they were a bigger star than they are, then wrestling as whole would be better.

Like, I'm not trying to be a dick here, but what the hell do you guys want from the guy?




Lock Jaw summed it up well. I don't see him as "bad" - I just don't see him as "the guy" is all. And to your point, everyone DOES think they're hot shit (or should anyway), but when everyone does it, it's just kinda.... there.


I dunno man, just can't picture him dethroning Reigns. It would feel very underwhelming. I know I'm in the minority.

[Fignuts]

Well either way its a good sign we've got two different guys we can can argue towards main eventing wrestlemania, and getting excited for.

Cause usually its fucking nobody.

[Destor]

And that's fine. I'm not one of those here to say my opinion is right and yours is wrong. Everyone is entitled to their own thoughts, feelings, and opinions. :y:
Most wrong post ive ever read

[Fignuts]

Hey Destor

[Fignuts]

Go fuck yourself

[Fignuts]

:heart:

[Destor]

Dont think i wont

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think a lot of people are just expecting Cody to win the Rumble, talk about how he’s the savior of black people and win the WWE Title and that’s that. I was underwhelmed by the idea of Cody even being in WWE. But you’re probably going to get a story that involves some good promos, some strong angles and the best ideas of Heyman, Triple H, Cody and Roman.

It wouldn’t surprise me if Seth gets involved, maybe edges out Sami as the Honorary Uce. It may not seem that epic, but Seth vs. Sami could be a Mania match. The Roman/Cody story could filter through to all these other programs.

It’s not going to just be “I have won the Royal Rumble. I am getting a title shot. I am the good guy. I will beat you. Grrr.”

[Destor]

I know its ingrained and cant be undone but the rumble winner maining mania is booking anathema

[Fignuts]

Look at all these racists who don't want cody to beat reigns and free black people from oppression.

[Destor]

I dont know how you got there but i like what youre selling

[Vastardikai]

I hope everyone remembered to leave out Milk and Cookies for Thunder Rosa, as it is El Dia De Los Muertos.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I know its ingrained and cant be undone but the rumble winner maining mania is booking anathema

I’ve had this thought in the past too. I dunno, I think you could do way more with things the way they are, but it would be good to have the total flexibility.

[The Fraze]

One of The Fraze's "favorite" things about AEW is Britt Baker. Love is blind.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Who do you think will be signed by AEW this week? I feel like it’s been slow on the signings.

[drave]

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It wouldn’t surprise me if Seth gets involved, maybe edges out Sami as the Honorary Uce. It may not seem that epic, but Seth vs. Sami could be a Mania match. The Roman/Cody story could filter through to all these other programs.

It’s not going to just be “I have won the Royal Rumble. I am getting a title shot. I am the good guy. I will beat you. Grrr.”

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Anyway - the last bit there is key. This is how I currently see CAWdy. He's shallow, and just kinda there. Sami at least makes more sense (right now) and shows a lot more depth.


Need to see more of CAWdy on screen in WWE. Gotta wash off that Dashing stank.

[drave]

hahahha!

CAWdy gets beat so senseless at Mania, he forgets who he is, goes back to being Dashing Cody Rhodes and becomes the 3rd member of Maximum Male Models.



Book it.

[screech]

If that gets us more Dashing vignettes, I'm in

[Mr. Nerfect]

Nick Hausman appeared on Meltzer’s show. Was interesting to hear them basically swap stories about not knowing what is going on. Meltzer kind of walked back his story about Punk being “voted off the island.” Hausman implied he was curious as to who it was and Meltzer admitted that Punk has friends there and Alvarez interjected and said that what he thinks Dave meant is that if you asked some people they wouldn’t expect Punk to be back — which is an entirely different thing all together.

[xrodmuc316]

Serious question, if Tiny booked Colt Cabana for Dynamite tomorrow, would the fans cheer him or boo him? How pissed would Phil be if Colt got a standing ovation?

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Nick Hausman appeared on Meltzer’s show. Was interesting to hear them basically swap stories about not knowing what is going on. Meltzer kind of walked back his story about Punk being “voted off the island.” Hausman implied he was curious as to who it was and Meltzer admitted that Punk has friends there and Alvarez interjected and said that what he thinks Dave meant is that if you asked some people they wouldn’t expect Punk to be back — which is an entirely different thing all together.

Fuck Dave is such an asshole

[Mr. Nerfect]

At this point, I’m biased against him — I recommend listening to the interview yourself. It’s 23 minutes or something on YouTube. But that’s what I got from it lol. Dave didn’t really fight on the point that there are people who like Punk in AEW at all.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

His reporting this whole time has been so lopsided. He should be ashamed. I'm not saying Jim Cornette's conspiracy theories are any better, but JFC at least he's not pretending to be objective.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Dave gets way too close “if you don’t agree with me, you’re arguing with facts.” I’ve hated his coverage of AEW. I don’t even think it benefits AEW. It would have benefitted them to hear more honesty in the beginning from someone other than Cornette.

[The Fraze]

It's crazy how Dave has made a career covering professional wrestling while rarely actually knowing anything.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I used to defend him. I’m sure he used to get stories. But his coverage now…it’s just so wrong. Has it always been that way?

[The Fraze]

I've always listened to Dave and Bryan's work as opinion.

[Jordan]

I used to pay F4Online for a subscription, I enjoyed their daily podcasts/radio shows for years. I can't really say exactly when I stopped subscribing to their service, but it's been probably 3-4 years at least.

It's really quite clear that their whole existence in this era is fairly unnecessary. There is no curtain for pro wrestling, the owners do shoot interviews constantly and the talent do the same all day long on twitter.

It's really rare to actually get into a pro wrestling angle because we are all so drastically aware of how the strings are pulled. The insider journalists had a place when there was mystery but there is really no mystery in the business any more.

[Sepholio]

Dirtsheet reporters have always been kinda trash though, the whole lot of em. Their job is basically to spoil scripted shows and people paid them for that.

Think about how mad people get about spoilers for movies or shows or books or games or anything else. Now imagine paying people for that info. Like wtf? It's never made sense to me. It's like riding through the parking lot of walmart at midnight screeching "SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE ON PAGE 728!!! THAT'LL BE $4.99!"

[xrodmuc316]

JBL has stated numerous times going all the way back to his Justin Hawk Bradshaw days that the boys would purposefully feed Dave bullshit because they thought it was funny to make him look bad. That is going back to at least 1995.

I do not have any real recollection of him ever breaking any real stories until he got in with The Elite, so of course he is going to be loyal to them to a degree.

Prior to 1995 before there was internet boards, I guess maybe Dave got away with taking educated guesses and an actual mailed out newsletter have him more time before he was proved wrong. He could sell the "Plans Changed" bullshit a bit better, but I can't imagine he has ever been anything but a weird mark conning people out of money under the guise that he is a legitimate reporter.

Spoiler, he is not.

[xrodmuc316]

I used to pay F4Online for a subscription, I enjoyed their daily podcasts/radio shows for years. I can't really say exactly when I stopped subscribing to their service, but it's been probably 3-4 years at least.

It's really quite clear that their whole existence in this era is fairly unnecessary. There is no curtain for pro wrestling, the owners do shoot interviews constantly and the talent do the same all day long on twitter.

It's really rare to actually get into a pro wrestling angle because we are all so drastically aware of how the strings are pulled. The insider journalists had a place when there was mystery but there is really no mystery in the business any more.

This is such a good point. With all these guys constantly trying to act like they have all this inside knowledge, nobody reported any tensions between Andrade and Sammy. They found out about it like the rest of us, when the wrestlers themselves posted on Twitter about it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I guess social media has changed things drastically too. Back in the day, wrestlers would have used Dave to actually get their opinion out at all. Now, wrestlers have direct platforms to the fans. You would have gotten Dave eating a lot of bullshit and it’s not like the guy with Vince’s ear was going to be talking — there’s always that hearsay element to the gossip he was reporting — but now a wrestler can just go on Twitter and say “I am misused.” They don’t need that middle-man.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Bryan Alvarez has said something big is happening on Dynamite tonight. He doesn’t know what it is, but it’s going to be big. :lol:

[Sepholio]

It'll prob be the debut of one of the people NXT just cut lol

[Sepholio]

Gonna laugh if it's The Elite showing up.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Mercedes Vernado debut. Here to remind Saraya she broke her neck.

[The Fraze]

While shilling CBD.

[The Fraze]

Heard Dynamite sucked tonight.

[Fignuts]

It was messy

[Sepholio]

Double J has been given an official title in AEW: Director of Business Development.

[The Fraze]

lol.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It was Jeff Jarrett *and* Colt Cabana, guys. *And* Colt Cabana.

[Maluco]

It was Jeff Jarrett *and* Colt Cabana, guys. *And* Colt Cabana.

I try to avoid commenting so much because those that really enjoy the shows are often fanatical about it, but for real, how much longer can this go on?

Big announcement, massive signings, change the business etc… only to under deliver every single time. Sometimes so daramtically that you wonder if it’s a joke…

Jeff Jarrett was great…20 years ago. He is now 55 years old and is an exec. Why would I care about this?

The whole Colt Cabana thing is them going out of their way to be petty.

I watch some shows at times and (although I hate the no selling, breakneck style), I find myself enjoying different aspects of it.

But it feels like they are shooting themselves in the foot on a weekly basis now. It’s embarrassing and the likes of Jericho, Moxley and The Elite as locker room leaders just seem to make Khan’s ego and lack of understanding even worse.

It’s a real mess, I hope Jarrett is ready for some work…and to be despised and quickly thrown out if he tries to correct the boys.

[slik]

Why did Jeff Jarrett debut last night and not in two weeks on the post-Full Gear episode of Dynamite

[Mr. Nerfect]

Why did Jeff Jarrett debut at all?

Nah, I like Jeff, but come on — this is ridiculous.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I try to avoid commenting so much because those that really enjoy the shows are often fanatical about it, but for real, how much longer can this go on?

Big announcement, massive signings, change the business etc… only to under deliver every single time. Sometimes so daramtically that you wonder if it’s a joke…

Jeff Jarrett was great…20 years ago. He is now 55 years old and is an exec. Why would I care about this?

The whole Colt Cabana thing is them going out of their way to be petty.

I watch some shows at times and (although I hate the no selling, breakneck style), I find myself enjoying different aspects of it.

But it feels like they are shooting themselves in the foot on a weekly basis now. It’s embarrassing and the likes of Jericho, Moxley and The Elite as locker room leaders just seem to make Khan’s ego and lack of understanding even worse.

It’s a real mess, I hope Jarrett is ready for some work…and to be despised and quickly thrown out if he tries to correct the boys.

Jeff’s there to make Jericho look younger. They’ve got to make these giant promises because the interest generated from the actual content just isn’t enough.

I desperately want wrestling to be good. I started this thread so positively. The last thing we need is more bad wrestling though. Well, I don’t even know if WWE counts as bad anymore. There are obviously still things that need to change, but I don’t know how anyone can compare the products and decide that AEW ticks more boxes right now. So it’s now got to contend with basically being TNA — it’s something else but it’s not better than the main thing. What are they trying to deliver?

The Colt Cabana thing is just childish from a 50 yr old man who is jealous of another dude’s talent and pissed off there is heat from a decade ago. It’s his playground. Don’t come in here and try to show the other kids how to jump the monkey bars! The idea of Jericho being a locker room leader is terrifying. And they’ve let him have creative input when the dude has displayed nothing but Russo-like tendencies. Cornette raised an interest question the other week: If Jericho was such a locker room leader, where was he when all this stuff was brewing? He loves swooping in and benefitting from it.

His ego is eventually going to clash with someone else. People like that have to throw someone else under the bus for their shortcomings.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Holy shit, Dave Meltzer did a bit about Colt Cabana being used on Dynamite meaning that CM Punk was the guy keeping him off. He yelled on his radio show, almost blowing up Bryan’s ears without Meltzer’s face showing any expression.

It doesn’t even track. It can’t possibly be the company is just petty…

Nah. It was definitely CM Punk holding Colt Cabana down. Even before he got there and Cabana couldn’t make Dynamite, it was Punk.

[The Fraze]

Was Dynamite laughably bad or is it just me?

[slik]

It was pretty meh

[Sting Fan]

I try to avoid commenting so much because those that really enjoy the shows are often fanatical about it, but for real, how much longer can this go on?

Big announcement, massive signings, change the business etc… only to under deliver every single time. Sometimes so daramtically that you wonder if it’s a joke…

Jeff Jarrett was great…20 years ago. He is now 55 years old and is an exec. Why would I care about this?

The whole Colt Cabana thing is them going out of their way to be petty.

I watch some shows at times and (although I hate the no selling, breakneck style), I find myself enjoying different aspects of it.

But it feels like they are shooting themselves in the foot on a weekly basis now. It’s embarrassing and the likes of Jericho, Moxley and The Elite as locker room leaders just seem to make Khan’s ego and lack of understanding even worse.

It’s a real mess, I hope Jarrett is ready for some work…and to be despised and quickly thrown out if he tries to correct the boys.

I’m not excited for Jarrett, but I am glad he’s nowhere near the main event.

Cabana was fun. I genuinely think not following wrestling social makes the shows more fun. No over excited expectations be it from the companies, wrestlers or just fan speculation.

I really wanted Cage to win last night though.

[Evil Vito]

I enjoyed it. Messy in some parts but it felt like programs kept moving along and, as usual, there were some decent matches.

[Mr. Nerfect]

They’re running out of people to sign. But the good news is they can have people under contract and just not use them for ages, blame Punk, then use them and it’ll be like they’re new. Peter Avalon next week.