All Elite Wrestling

[Vastardikai]

Now that Punk is there, I am curious what they do with him.

[Noid]

When is Paul Levesque coming to AEW? Too right, comber.

[rez]

The band Nonpoint says they love AEW

[Evil Vito]

Brodie Lee’s TNT Title won was a year ago today :'(

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AEW Rampage on TNT Friday was watched by 1,129,000 viewers total.<br>P18-49: 692,000 (0.53), higher than all but the debut episode of Dynamite in 2019.<br><br>WWE Smackdown on Fox Friday was watched by 2,102,000 viewers total.<br>P18-49: 738,000 (0.57)<br><br>��Read more: <a href="https://t.co/Z0rG5QbZu4">https://t.co/Z0rG5QbZu4</a> <a href="https://t.co/aCztYnSJvm">pic.twitter.com/aCztYnSJvm</a></p>&mdash; Brandon Thurston (@BrandonThurston) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrandonThurston/status/1429895170053529608?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 23, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[#1-norm-fan]

That’s a good rating for them. Punk doesn’t move the needle so I don’t know what caused the bump but I hope they can build on it!

[Jordan]

I feel like that's about the best the could've hoped for in a 10pm Friday night time slot. I'm hoping that this weeks Rampage has a stacked card because it being taped on Wednesday leads me to think we could fall even below the debut numbers.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The opening quarter-hour with the return of CM Punk was watched by 1,341,000 viewers on average and 842,000 in the demo (0.65).<a href="https://t.co/Z0rG5QbZu4">https://t.co/Z0rG5QbZu4</a></p>&mdash; Brandon Thurston (@BrandonThurston) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrandonThurston/status/1429897212025319426?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 23, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[slik]

Chris Jericho the Demo-ted God now

[BigCrippyZ]

I'm so confused. Didn't someone here claim that AEW would never get 1 million viewers? So strange that they've done it several times since then and even once with their new Friday night 10pm show.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Dynamite has been in or near the 1m mark for a while now. I wonder how much Punk being confirmed to being on the show will boost those numbers. That’s a stellar number for a Friday night show.

[GD]

Dynamite has been in or near the 1m mark for a while now. I wonder how much Punk being confirmed to being on the show will boost those numbers. That’s a stellar number for a Friday night show.

Selfishly, I don't care about ratings. I just love engaging content and good wrestling which they've delivered plenty of. Just look at the WALTER title match from TakeOver. Ratings never define quality just like box office collections. I understand why it is exciting for people but when I heard the rumors for CM Punk showing up on Rampage, my mind never went to ratings. I just wanted to witness it like a fan.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I don’t care either. It’s just an interesting talking point.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm so confused. Didn't someone here claim that AEW would never get 1 million viewers? So strange that they've done it several times since then and even once with their new Friday night 10pm show.

I think what you’re either failing to comprehend or are deliberately misrepresenting was Gerty saying that he can’t realistically see them getting over 1 million viewers regularly, because there are only 1.5 million or so people who give a shit enough between AEW and NXT. That changes when they change nights, and it also doesn’t factor in anomalous ratings, like signing the biggest free agent in wrestling.

I’ve always said there is no reason AEW shouldn’t be beating Monday Night Raw. Gerty and I respectfully disagree on that. But when you’ve got a 3-hour dinosaur that doesn’t even necessarily warrant being top priority anymore, it shouldn’t be that difficult for a 2-hour program in a prime time slot with unlimited capital to compete with that average. Especially unopposed by other wrestling.

Also, I like the way people are gawking at this 1 million number on a Friday night like it’s such an amazing triumph. What does it say about the other numbers they have been doing? What does it say about the Dynamites that would get <700k which people vehemently defended as wonderful numbers?

This is what happens when you sign actual stars, which is what I said they should do from the start. They’re finally doing what I wanted them to do, in theory, and they reap rewards. Funny that.

I saw the Punk segment. It was alright. I’m not impressed by modern crowds. Punk can talk. The content of his stuff was sound. But it’s AEW. They fuck up every golden goose that waddles their way. And sure enough they did this week delivering a Dynamite, probably their most watched ever, making people scratch their heads. And it’s not just me. It’s most message boards you go to. It’s Wade Keller. It’s people in live attendance.

This company doesn’t know how to do pro-wrestling. Sorry, but they don’t. It’s a bunch of white noise and eventually Daddy’s money secures a free agent and they get a windfall and everyone gets excited before they realize the rest of the show is the drizzling shits. They opened with Matt Hardy? Really? Yeah, nothing like sticking it to the evil WWE with their old-timers like using Jeff’s brother to try and hook people. They don’t even have the better Hardy.

The good things about Punk, Bryan and probably Cole signing were promising. The more good talent they have the less room there is for the horseshit. And those talents could be influential. If what they do sees results, maybe Omega and The Bucks will cut out their wannabe comedy heel acts? Or maybe it just leads to jealous and implosion?

The other thing is that the WWE may have actually accepted an unintentional Trojan horse by no-selling AEW. Because they could no-sell them. Their immediate impact was negligible. But now they have chased enough people with friends, enough people who feel like they can’t express themselves, enough people who aren’t seeing the changes they want to see over. And talent like Punk and Bryan could influence the decisions of other talent to jump. Ashley Flair might go if they treat her father and Andrade right. Kofi Kingston might go since Punk and Bryan have been supporters. The rest of New Day might follow, especially with WWE’s third party thing.

If AEW actually got good, cut the shit, treated talent right, they could be the preferred place for talent to work. But they have kind of already squandered the CM Punk hype. They might get another week out of it, but that first impression? Yeesh. How is it any better than SmackDown? How is it even much better than Raw. You can’t even say that AEW doesn’t put guys in ridiculous costumes.

It’s impossible to get excited about AEW because of anything they do. You have to bring it in. Force it. Because you’ve watched so much bad WWE that you will accept and will forward anything else. I can’t do that, because I won’t settle for one shit company just because I reject another one, and current wrestling can’t play to my emotions anymore. It doesn’t make sense. There is no logic. There is no psychology. There is no fidelity. There is barely any coherent episodic flow to the shows. It’s a bunch of shit thrown at people who, whether captive because of their own attachment to wrestling, or they’ve just fallen for the cult of personality, will eat it up because it is not Vince.

If Vince McMahon was revealed to be the true guy funding AEW, everybody would turn on it in a heartbeat and be way more honest about how this shit sucks. The best thing you can say about that is that at least that type of silly emotional response is still an emotional response. It’s just not connected to the product actually being good for people who want that.

[Noid]

Taking the absolute biggest break from wrestling that I ever have in my life. It was probably the thing I loved most. People don’t get it and say “wah, wah, wah — don’t watch then.” Well, it’s finally happening. Fuck wrestling.

Fuck AEW.
Fuck WWE.
Fuck the NWA.
Fuck New Japan.
Fuck classic wrestling.

It’s been easier than I suspect. I’ve checked the news a couple of times and listened to some Cornette YouTube clips (not his full show, I’m even off criticism of wrestling). I think I might be properly done soon.

Thanks for the memories, wrestling. You got me through some weird times growing up. But it’s time I realized you haven’t been good to me in a long, long time. Fuck off and don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

The WWE surely gets a lot of the blame, but AEW was it for me. I just can’t. The self-indulgent disregard of there being any sort of art to this. The complete waste of potential. I went from being optimistic about wrestling to seeing so clearly that this is not going to be something a reasonable person can enjoy in record time.

So a special big fuck you to AEW for that. And also fuck TPWW for housing some of the most insecure and gormless little marks. I was right when I said WWE sucked way back, and I am right when I say AEW sucks right now.

I’m off to read some books or something.

Wat the bloody root was this about? Too right, mate.

[Jordan]

An official All Out prediction. Ric Flair will accompany Andrade to the ring for his match against PAC and will cause the distraction for the finish.

[drave]

This before or after Hardy wins the world title?

[Jordan]

This before or after Hardy wins the world title?

According to Gavin the Hardy push may get "pulled" down to the TNT Championship. Likely now is a 3-Way Dance match at All In with Miro vs Orange Cassidy vs Matt Hardy. It is said that Hardy requested to be moved out of the planned World Championship program because he didn't want to take the heat from the eventual planned program with Bryan Danielson and Kenny Omega.

It is said that when Matt pins Miro clean in the ring that he will then begin an initial championship program with Darby Allin and Sting leading to strong victories over both before landing a main event Winter is Coming Program against CM Punk. Punk has said in recent interviews that he is a "TNT guy" so it is possible that Hardy's run could end at that point and Punk will carry the TNT mantle forward.

It seems that the planned belt collector gimmick for Matt may be put on hold altogether but that Impact is open to the idea of a Big Money program with Matt and Christian exclusive to Impact to help boost their paid Youtube subscription service.

[drave]

good. Keep Hardy and Christian on IMPACT where they should be.

[Jordan]

I just read that AEW will soon be taping Dark in a studio setting. This was reported when Rampage was announced and now it seems to be in the works. I am wondering if AEW will team up with NWA and use the studio that they use for tapings?

You don't want to oversaturate the market for NWA, but I can't really imagine where they will shoot otherwise. I think that the old school studio wrestling approach will do great for Dark. I haven't watched Dark in over a year but I will certainly check out whatever they do next as far as the studio goes.

Want to note that the last episode of Elevation has 500k views on Youtube, uploaded 3 days ago and for Dark 337k views uploaded 2 days ago. Viewership over time seems to vary depending on the show.

[slik]

More info on that

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hearing that the possible new home for AEW Dark will be in Universal Studios in Orlando at a Sound Stage similar to what IMPACT use to do. <br><br>Wanted to add a little more to the story <a href="https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@davemeltzerWON</a> reported on in this week's Observer newsletter. <a href="https://t.co/zLMKMdkSoX">pic.twitter.com/zLMKMdkSoX</a></p>&mdash; Andrew Zarian (@AndrewZarian) <a href="https://twitter.com/AndrewZarian/status/1431301563386007558?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 27, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Jordan]

OH that's nice, should have a decent crowd for it at Orlando.

[Jordan]

Lot's of festivals and parades and such being canceled in NYC due to Covid concerns. No big events that I have heard of though. And the US Open is going as planned which takes place at Arthur Ashe's smaller stadium, maybe Ashe as well I'm not sure exactly. They are running without a mask mandate or vaccine mandate as well, I don't know how that is possible but that's what I've read.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/le-batard-friends-south-beach-sessions/id1446810283?i=1000533064447

Pretty good Tony Khan interview on the Le Batard Show. He talks about the Punk stuff but also talks a lot about Vince. He’s actually pretty complimentary.

[Evil Vito]

Lot's of festivals and parades and such being canceled in NYC due to Covid concerns. No big events that I have heard of though. And the US Open is going as planned which takes place at Arthur Ashe's smaller stadium, maybe Ashe as well I'm not sure exactly. They are running without a mask mandate or vaccine mandate as well, I don't know how that is possible but that's what I've read.

Just gotta get through one more month. Grand Slam being cancelled/postponed would be a real gut punch.

I'm assuming if it's "postponed indefinitely" it'll be one of those deals where it's your call to either get a refund or just keep your seats reserved for whenever the new date is. But I don't wanna think about that.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Don’t care if they get fucked up, to be honest. American stupidity deserves what it gets.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Don’t care if they get fucked up, to be honest. American stupidity deserves what it gets.

Hey bud I saw the other day you posted you were taking a break from wrestling and you’re already back. I really think it would be beneficial to your well being if you really did take a break for a while. You’re clearly unhappy and it appears to be affecting your mental health. Maybe some time away and reflection would be good for you.

[Jordan]

Potential Huge Spoiler for All Out

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Exclusive: Bryan Danielson Set To Make His AEW Debut At All Out <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEW</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWAllOut?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWAllOut</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AllOut?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AllOut</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BryanDanielson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BryanDanielson</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWRampage?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWRampage</a> <br><br>via <a href="https://twitter.com/Casshooole?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Casshooole</a> <a href="https://t.co/ZcNScB7ZuD">https://t.co/ZcNScB7ZuD</a></p>&mdash; BODYSLAM.NET (@BodyslamNet) <a href="https://twitter.com/BodyslamNet/status/1431423860994367490?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 28, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Source: AEW Dynamite is coming to Long Island NY 12/8. UBS Arena <a href="https://t.co/kjVj5vQ52T">pic.twitter.com/kjVj5vQ52T</a></p>&mdash; Andrew Zarian (@AndrewZarian) <a href="https://twitter.com/AndrewZarian/status/1431433608867241984?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 28, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Potential Huge Spoiler for All Out

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Exclusive: Bryan Danielson Set To Make His AEW Debut At All Out <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEW</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWAllOut?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWAllOut</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AllOut?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AllOut</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BryanDanielson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BryanDanielson</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWRampage?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWRampage</a> <br><br>via <a href="https://twitter.com/Casshooole?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Casshooole</a> <a href="https://t.co/ZcNScB7ZuD">https://t.co/ZcNScB7ZuD</a></p>&mdash; BODYSLAM.NET (@BodyslamNet) <a href="https://twitter.com/BodyslamNet/status/1431423860994367490?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 28, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I dunno. Feel like this would take away from Punk’s in ring return. Would prefer it to be on TV where everyone can watch.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I’ll be in Mexico next weekend and won’t get to watch all out till Monday evening. Which is a bummer because there’s an AMC theater playing it for $25 admission and a friend mine wanted to go. Seems like it’d be a cool environment. Live crowd vibe but with the benefit of at home style viewing and commentary. Next time.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Hey bud I saw the other day you posted you were taking a break from wrestling and you’re already back. I really think it would be beneficial to your well being if you really did take a break for a while. You’re clearly unhappy and it appears to be affecting your mental health. Maybe some time away and reflection would be good for you.

I’m not watching wrestling. Sometimes I just like laughing at how shit AEW is doing. Mental health is great, thanks. You’re the dickheads who do mental gymnastics to make this shit bearable.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Who could care about Danielson coming in at this point? He’s not going to matter outside his first, maybe second, appearance. Because they fuck up EVERYTHING.

This reminds me of when people were excited that Asuka was getting called up to the main roster. How did that work out?

[Sepholio]

It worked out great!

*cries in the corner*

[GD]

Hey bud I saw the other day you posted you were taking a break from wrestling and you’re already back. I really think it would be beneficial to your well being if you really did take a break for a while. You’re clearly unhappy and it appears to be affecting your mental health. Maybe some time away and reflection would be good for you.

I’m not watching wrestling. Sometimes I just like laughing at how shit AEW is doing. Mental health is great, thanks. You’re the dickheads who do mental gymnastics to make this shit bearable.

Who could care about Danielson coming in at this point? He’s not going to matter outside his first, maybe second, appearance. Because they fuck up EVERYTHING.

This reminds me of when people were excited that Asuka was getting called up to the main roster. How did that work out?

Fuck you for showing concern, Supreme.

[#1-norm-fan]

Cornette on this week’s Drive-Thru:

“They (WWE) are handing this over in a quick period of time and don’t even realize it, so this is very interesting. And I will not now poo poo AEW’s chances over the next few months like I had been poo pooping over the last couple years because sooner or later a blind squirrel finds a nut. Whether this has been serendipity, planning or quite a bit of both, they’ve changed the fucking stratosphere here a bit in the past month and it looks like it will continue to be that way because the other side is the gang that can’t shoot straight.

I’m amazed. I am amazed at the reversal. Suddenly Tony Khan has just gone behind Vince and waist locked him. And he’s fixing to Iron Shiek/Brian Blair his ass if he’s not careful”

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I’m not watching wrestling. Sometimes I just like laughing at how shit AEW is doing. Mental health is great, thanks. You’re the dickheads who do mental gymnastics to make this shit bearable.

You know more about AEW than anyone else here. You write multi paragraph essays about how much you hate it and you comment on every single show. It’s the only thing you post about. And you’ve been doing this for months. You get furious at us because we like something you don’t. This behavior isn’t healthy. You really should think about stepping away.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Whether you like or enjoy AEW, there’s no logical way to describe how they’re doing as shit. They just got a third hour TV, signed the biggest free agent in wrestling, are likely plucking one of the biggest and most organically over stars of the last decade, and are getting paid more for switching networks next year while also gaining more revenue via semi regular TV showcases like clash of the champions used to be.

AEW is not for everybody, obviously. But they’re also obviously very successful to this point and things are only looking up. Poor noid seems to have fallen off the deep end now that Cornette is being complimentary of them, even if it’s in a backhanded way.

[Evil Vito]

Not gonna lie I’m mildly salty that Bryan’s debut pop is probably happening at All Out instead of Grand Slam.

Of course, if Bryan actually has his first AEW match at Grand Slam it’s a worthwhile trade-off.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I too want them to save him for TV but with things tightening up I get not wanting to take the risk

[Mr. Nerfect]

You know more about AEW than anyone else here. You write multi paragraph essays about how much you hate it and you comment on every single show. It’s the only thing you post about. And you’ve been doing this for months. You get furious at us because we like something you don’t. This behavior isn’t healthy. You really should think about stepping away.

You’re projecting hard there, bud.

I get annoyed when people say something is good and it isn’t. People are allowed to like what they like. But the irony is that people get salty at my perfectly valid opinion because it doesn’t fall in line with their narrative.

You’re literally trying to stop me from liking what I like and not liking what I don’t with this post. Funny how none of that comes up when it comes to a declining WWE over the past 20 years. Well, unless it’s someone pointing out that Alexa Bliss isn’t very good.

What bothers people so much is that I’m right. That’s really it. If they could dismiss my opinion, they’d do it, but the uncomfortable truth is that I’m right on the money with these shit-shows, and people just don’t want to hear about it in regards to their darlings.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The WWE is their own worst enemy and the best friend to AEW right now. AEW is also its own worst enemy. Neither of these promotions can avoid shooting themselves in the foot.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Rampage pulling 722k for episode 3. Lowest rating so far but still better than I was expecting given it was taped and Dynamite was mediocre at best.

EDIT: apparently they were #1 in the 18-49 demo so that’s probably a win.

RE REDIT: #1 for cable originals, whatever tf that means. Stupid Twitter and is lacking context

[xrodmuc316]

So AEW lost every new viewer they got from Punk's return in a single week? That's rough man.

[Vastardikai]

This feels all so familiar to me... almost like when TNA did it.

[weather vane]

You’re projecting hard there, bud.

I get annoyed when people say something is good and it isn’t. People are allowed to like what they like. But the irony is that people get salty at my perfectly valid opinion because it doesn’t fall in line with their narrative.

You’re literally trying to stop me from liking what I like and not liking what I don’t with this post. Funny how none of that comes up when it comes to a declining WWE over the past 20 years. Well, unless it’s someone pointing out that Alexa Bliss isn’t very good.

What bothers people so much is that I’m right. That’s really it. If they could dismiss my opinion, they’d do it, but the uncomfortable truth is that I’m right on the money with these shit-shows, and people just don’t want to hear about it in regards to their darlings.

The decline into a mad man.

[Mr. Nerfect]

This feels all so familiar to me... almost like when TNA did it.

They’ve got a 1.1 problem too.

Whenever there is slight interest in AEW, the product deflects people.

[James Steele]

Taking the absolute biggest break from wrestling that I ever have in my life. It was probably the thing I loved most. People don’t get it and say “wah, wah, wah — don’t watch then.” Well, it’s finally happening. Fuck wrestling.

Fuck AEW.
Fuck WWE.
Fuck the NWA.
Fuck New Japan.
Fuck classic wrestling.

It’s been easier than I suspect. I’ve checked the news a couple of times and listened to some Cornette YouTube clips (not his full show, I’m even off criticism of wrestling). I think I might be properly done soon.

Thanks for the memories, wrestling. You got me through some weird times growing up. But it’s time I realized you haven’t been good to me in a long, long time. Fuck off and don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

The WWE surely gets a lot of the blame, but AEW was it for me. I just can’t. The self-indulgent disregard of there being any sort of art to this. The complete waste of potential. I went from being optimistic about wrestling to seeing so clearly that this is not going to be something a reasonable person can enjoy in record time.

So a special big fuck you to AEW for that. And also fuck TPWW for housing some of the most insecure and gormless little marks. I was right when I said WWE sucked way back, and I am right when I say AEW sucks right now.

I’m off to read some books or something.

[drave]

how long was "the longest break ever"?

[James Steele]

how long was "the longest break ever"?

08-20-2021, 05:29 PM
https://www.tpwwforums.com/showpost.php?p=5472375&postcount=61143


08-20-2021, 05:34 PM
https://www.tpwwforums.com/showthread.php?p=5472379&post5472379

[Bad News Gertner]

Mr. Nerfect dropping truth bombs that people can't handle.

[Evil Vito]

Gertner dropping troll bombs that people can handle because he does it all the time.

[drave]

You’re projecting hard there, bud.

I get annoyed when people say something is good and it isn’t. People are allowed to like what they like. But the irony is that people get salty at my perfectly valid opinion because it doesn’t fall in line with their narrative.

You’re literally trying to stop me from liking what I like and not liking what I don’t with this post. Funny how none of that comes up when it comes to a declining WWE over the past 20 years. Well, unless it’s someone pointing out that Alexa Bliss isn’t very good.
What bothers people so much is that I’m right. That’s really it. If they could dismiss my opinion, they’d do it, but the uncomfortable truth is that I’m right on the money with these shit-shows, and people just don’t want to hear about it in regards to their darlings.


This is you, toward anyone who likes AEW, or even today's WWE.


People have talked about WWE being shit for a while. The difference is, you don't get upset at them for agreeing with you.


People enjoy AEW, maybe because its the "fresh coat of paint" right now, but they enjoy it none the less. This upsets you, because in your opinion, nothing in the wrestling world is "good". You are attempting to stop people liking what they like by being aggressive when someone like Smeat simply "reposts" "News" (use that word lightly). Either way, people seem to like it for their own reasons, in the same vein you dislike it for your own reasons.


It's safe to say that 99% of wrestling fans don't go into the levels of details that you do, therefore they will not care. Your average ape will just see what's on the TV and decide if they enjoy what's there. Nothing about ratings, backstage rumors or anything else, actually matters to the casual viewer.



Your issues tend to be that things are they way YOU want them. You will say that wrestling marks are the dumbest and easy to manipulate, and in the same breath complain about who is cheered and booed. It's strange.


I dunno why I'm even bothering. You'll respond as per usual and probably pissed off. :wave:

[Noid]

All around me are familiar faces, worn out places...

[xrodmuc316]

People have talked about WWE being shit for a while. The difference is, you don't get upset at them for agreeing with you.




Why would he get upset at people agreeing with him? :lol:

[Malfeitor]

No, really…

Have Noid and xrod 69’d yet?

[xrodmuc316]

No, really…

Have Noid and xrod 69’d yet?

I like how there are still people here who every now and then show up and, without knowing any background, just assume Noid and myself are some best friends.

In fact Mr Nerfect used to get mad at me for pointing out how stupid AEW was at the start. Then at some point AEW kept being stupid and he admitted I was right.

Fundamentally though we like different things. Not to speak for him, but pretty consistently he has made the point that he wanted AEW to be something different and better than WWE. I on the otherhand enjoy AEW more and more as time has gone on BECAUSE they have got rid of lots of their stupid shit and replaced them with interesting former WWE guys.

So to answer your idiotic and immature question, no, just because I do not have blind loyalty to one wrestling company does not mean I have sexual relations with the other people who also aren't full blown AEW Cultists.

[Blonde Moment]

poop
Change your gimmick and be yourself for a bit or better yet start your own thread where you can review sort of a worst of type thing. If you honestly can't stand the product but can't tear yourself away try this. At least you might be enjoyment out of it

[screech]

I have him on ignore, but a Noid "this is why *show this week* sucked ass" would probably be a ratings hit around here.

[Blonde Moment]

I have him on ignore, but a Noid "this is why *show this week* sucked ass" would probably be a ratings hit around here.

i think it could possibly be a win win situation

[Jordan]

If people would just stop engaging with Mr. Noidfect then maybe our fun conversations around here wouldn't constantly get wasted by pages and pages of arguments involving this guys opinion. Just. Stop. Replying.

[Evil Vito]

Proof of vaccination is now required by AEW for entry into Grand Slam at Arthur Ashe on the 22nd.

[xrodmuc316]

Proof of vaccination is now required by AEW for entry into Grand Slam at Arthur Ashe on the 22nd.

That's interesting since it is an open stadium. I wonder if that is coming from AEW or New York.

[ron the dial]

my guess is it's something to do with NY or at least anticipating NY making that move because as far as i know it's not required for all out on sunday.

[Evil Vito]

Almost certainly coming from New York. I'd probably be willing to bet the roof is shut no matter what the weather is. The way things have been trending with the weather I think September will still be humid as balls and it might stay warm into mid-October or so. Probably gonna be the norm in future years.

So they might close it up and throw the AC on. Closed roof probably better for the noise ambiance anyway.

[Jordan]

That's interesting since it is an open stadium. I wonder if that is coming from AEW or New York.

I think they will run with the roof closed.

[Triple A]

That's interesting since it is an open stadium. I wonder if that is coming from AEW or New York.

It's from New York City. All NYC venues and restaurants require vaccination to enter as of August 16

There is no mask mandate though I don't think

[Malfeitor]

I like how there are still people here who every now and then show up and, without knowing any background, just assume Noid and myself are some best friends.

In fact Mr Nerfect used to get mad at me for pointing out how stupid AEW was at the start. Then at some point AEW kept being stupid and he admitted I was right.

Fundamentally though we like different things. Not to speak for him, but pretty consistently he has made the point that he wanted AEW to be something different and better than WWE. I on the otherhand enjoy AEW more and more as time has gone on BECAUSE they have got rid of lots of their stupid shit and replaced them with interesting former WWE guys.

So to answer your idiotic and immature question, no, just because I do not have blind loyalty to one wrestling company does not mean I have sexual relations with the other people who also aren't full blown AEW Cultists.

Didn’t read any of this. It’s a joke, not a dick. Don’t take it so hard. Pussy.

[Jordan]

It's from New York City. All NYC venues and restaurants require vaccination to enter as of August 16

There is no mask mandate though I don't think

I think I'm gonna mask for the show, don't wanna catch the DELTA!

[ron the dial]

yeah we have to wear masks at all out. so if it turns out like the first dance, 10% of people will wear them.

[#1-norm-fan]

It looked like a lot of people weren’t wearing them but you’re supposed to wear them “unless eating or drinking”. They did not have a crowd of wrestling fans in mind when they added that loophole.

[Sepholio]

Didn’t read any of this. It’s a joke, not a dick. Don’t take it so hard. Pussy.

Interesting. How did you know he was responding to you if you didn't read any of it? Just curious.

[Malfeitor]

My bad. Should’ve said I didn’t read the majority of it. Caught the “idiotic and immature question” line and that was it.

[xrodmuc316]

My bad. Should’ve said I didn’t read the majority of it. Caught the “idiotic and immature question” line and that was it.

Because that is how reading works, you start at the bottom :rofl:

[Triple A]

It's from New York City. All NYC venues and restaurants require vaccination to enter as of August 16

There is no mask mandate though I don't think

From AEW's "Q&A" section for the show...

Q. Are there any locations where a mask is required?

A. When the roof is closed in Arthur Ashe Stadium, masks are required. It is recommended that all fans, regardless of vaccination status, wear a mask while indoors (unless actively eating or drinking).

[Jordan]

Ah so it could end up being an open roof weather permitting it seems.

[drave]

Ah so it could end up being an open roof weather permitting it seems.


They say this about Lucas Oil Stadium too, but barely ever open it and it's dumb.


Was cool AF when they would open the giant windows and have a helo fly up to it tho.

[Jordan]

I'm wondering what will happen with Jericho and MJF at All Out. Either way, I think The Pinnacle should implode shortly thereafter. I'm ready for Wardlow to turn on MJF, that can be facilitated at the PPV with Wardlow making a mistake and costing MJF the match.

The Pinnacle doesn't even feel like a group anymore. Last night I don't think commentary mentioned that FTR was apart of the stable at all. FTR and Tully don't need to be apart of a group outside of themselves, maybe a trio with Spears but Wardlow and MJF need to be on their own.

Also.

Andrade is now facing a mystery opponent at the PPV because PAC can't get to Chicago. I am going to put my cash on Adam Cole, I don't see Danielson's first match being unannounced and also against Andrade, just doesn't seem likely. But then I'd say the same for Adam Cole too. Looking through the AEW roster on their website the only current roster member that would be a satisfying surprise and match would be Sammy Guevara.

I don't think it would be smart to have Andrade take the fall in whatever match it is, which is also why Danielson and Cole aren't the best choices.

I think it could be super awesome if Cole debuts alongside Hangman and they attack The Bucks. Danielson should get involved with Omega. The trio of Cole, Danielson and Hangman could form a mega face stable to go against The Elite for a while, I think that could be pretty sick.

[drave]

Would Cole not be subjected to a 90 day clause, or is it shorter for him :D

[ron the dial]

his contract straight up expired so he is exempt from a noncompete

[drave]

That'd be a tiny bit of time, like, smaller than all the rest amirite.

[drave]

Ron

The
Muthafuckin
Pulse
of
TPWW
Dial

[Triple A]

Where did you hear that Andrade is gonna face a mystery opponent... I don't see anything about that?

[drave]

They said it on Dynamite.

[Triple A]

oh really

edit: just saw Andrade also tweeted

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/AndradeElIdolo?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AndradeElIdolo</a> vs ? <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AllOut?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AllOut</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chicago?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chicago</a> <a href="https://t.co/XS2WN3GvW0">pic.twitter.com/XS2WN3GvW0</a></p>&mdash; “EL IDOLO” ANDRADE (@AndradeElIdolo) <a href="https://twitter.com/AndradeElIdolo/status/1433228697725808640?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 2, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Jordan]

Where did you hear that Andrade is gonna face a mystery opponent... I don't see anything about that?

https://www.ringsidenews.com/2021/09/01/andrade-el-idolo-to-face-mystery-opponent-at-aew-all-out/

I guess it's not confirmed but Andrade is teasing.

https://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/2021/09/andrade-el-idolo-to-face-mystery-opponent-at-aew-all-out/

[Triple A]

Yeah I think Guevara would be a good opponent

[Jordan]

Yeah I think Guevara would be a good opponent

Yeah, of Cole and Danielson it just doesn't feel like the right way to debut one of them. I think that on the roster the guys who aren't booked that are viable would be Archer, Hangman and Guevara. Archer would be good and a strong way to put over Andrade, Guevara is probably the "hottest" match that they could do and also he can take a loss and Hangman just isn't in the right place story wise for it to make sense.

What about Malakai Black? Not for Andrade, but if he isn't working at match at the PPV then I think that's kind of insane. I'm assuming that Cody returns on Rampage to set up a match at the PPV or maybe he get's booked against someone else. Again, it's not really a story at all but if he cut a promo and Archer came out to confront him, Lance would get a babyface pop and it would probably be a great match.

[drave]

Andrade and Black had some good matches in NXT. Seen it before, which is the bad. Their matches were decent, which is the good.


Not buying the PPV this time. If my mother in law wants it, we will watch it here, but def not shelling out the $$$$

[Jordan]

I'm probably not purchasing the PPV but streaming it. I would buy it if I knew that I'd get a workable stream. Every single AEW PPV I've ever bought through the BR Live App has failed me. The last one I was actually fully refunded for.

I know they have a new app but I have zero faith that it won't give me issues. I'm not special case, I have excellent wifi and cast from phone to chomecast with no issues on any other service.

I do have the option of purchasing on Sling and I may do that but also fuck it I can watch a stream.

[Jordan]

2021 AEW All Out match card
AEW World Championship — Kenny Omega (c) vs. Christian Cage
CM Punk vs. Darby Allin
Chris Jericho vs. MJF
AEW Women's Championship — Dr. Britt Baker, D.M.D. (c) vs. Kris Statlander
AEW Tag Team Championship — The Young Bucks (c) vs. Lucha Brothers (Steel Cage Match)
AEW TNT Championship — Miro (c) vs. Eddie Kingston
Jon Moxley vs. Satoshi Kojima
Paul Wight vs. QT Marshall
21-woman Casino Battle Royal for a future title shot
BUY IN
Orange Cassidy, Chuck Taylor, Wheeler Yuta, & Jurassic Express vs on Matt Hardy, Private Party, & TH2

The card is fully loaded as of now and that's leaving out Starks/Cage, a match for Malakai and a match for Andrade. Since they bumped the Battle Royal from Buy In to main card that would make you assume they are probably not adding matches.

I just cannot fathom Malakai not having a match or a huge angle on the PPV. Andrade could get away with a promo and be fine but Malakai with nothing is very odd.

[Fignuts]

Andrade needs to get the win here, so I wouldn't debut a new talent for this match. Put him up against orange Cassidy. Cassidy is mad over so Andrade getting a win over him will get him some good heat. Especially if he wins dirty. And it wouldn't hurt Cassidy at all.

[Evil Vito]

I feel fortunate that I have yet to have a single issue with streaming any AEW PPV on BR Live. *knock on wood*

[Jordan]

Andrade needs to get the win here, so I wouldn't debut a new talent for this match. Put him up against orange Cassidy. Cassidy is mad over so Andrade getting a win over him will get him some good heat. Especially if he wins dirty. And it wouldn't hurt Cassidy at all.

That would have been a great idea but they have booked OC for the Buy In. I just edited the card above, realized that it was a bit out of date.

[Jordan]

“Andrade and PAC is off the pay-per-view. They are going to do the match on TV soon. They said it’s travel issues. I think it’s the same issue as Sasha Banks because that was certainly the word that I got. Yesterday, I was told that there was a match on the pay-per-view that was not one of the top 3 that would be off and low and behold…today, Tony Khan tweeted right around when Dynamite started that the match was off due to travel reasons, which sounds like a weird reason.”

That's Meltzer's reporting. Does that mean a positive covid test? Was there any reporting on what actually happened with Sasha?

[drave]

I'm reverse. Sling constantly takes a shit, but BR Live has been great. Sling shits out on regular watching.


I use an Xbox to stream, I'd never do it on a phone. Lots of reasons that could be a crappy experience.


After WWE changed their Network provider, whenever that was, it was also super shitty.

[Jordan]

I'm reverse. Sling constantly takes a shit, but BR Live has been great. Sling shits out on regular watching.


I use an Xbox to stream, I'd never do it on a phone. Lots of reasons that could be a crappy experience.


After WWE changed their Network provider, whenever that was, it was also super shitty.

I have bad experiences with Sling and watching Dynamite. Usually the stream will lag at some point and leave me behind a minute or so. So it ends up that I often miss the last minute or two of the show like last night.

Have you ordered the PPV's from Sling?

Xbox used to be better for me with Sling but the last two weeks casting to chromecast from my phone had less buffering and better picture.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Andrade needs to wrestle somebody who can put him over. He’s had one match. He needs to go over. And Cole and Danielson shouldn’t be losing their debuts either.

[Jordan]

Perhaps they could do an angle where Flair debut's as Andrade's wing man. I know he has Chavo but he has not been good.

If they had one match spot left and it was between Andrade and someone else or Malakai and Cody or Malakai and someone else, I'd go with Malakai. Flair could be enough of a moment to make Andrade's PPV angle worth it.

[Fignuts]

That would have been a great idea but they have booked OC for the Buy In. I just edited the card above, realized that it was a bit out of date.

Ah.

Kazarian would be a great opponent, but that would be kind of random, since he's feeding with the Elite right now.

Would be cool if they got one of the luchadores from aaa that they've used in the past. El Bandido or Loredo Kid.

Fuego del sol is another possibility since Andrade beat the shit out of him. Though that probably wouldn't be as good a match as the other options.

[drave]

I have bad experiences with Sling and watching Dynamite. Usually the stream will lag at some point and leave me behind a minute or so. So it ends up that I often miss the last minute or two of the show like last night.

Have you ordered the PPV's from Sling?

Xbox used to be better for me with Sling but the last two weeks casting to chromecast from my phone had less buffering and better picture.




Always ordered PPV's on BR Live. I've ordered "movie rentals" from Sling before... never an issue. Sling seems to shit out most with "live events".

[Emperor Smeat]

That's Meltzer's reporting. Does that mean a positive covid test? Was there any reporting on what actually happened with Sasha?

Feels like if it was COVID, then the Lucha Bros probably would be off the card due to them being in recent close contact with him. Could just be Khan wanting to wait till the last minute to be sure PAC wasn't going to show up in time before making that big announcement. PAC has a similar problem WALTER has where he gets very homesick after a while which is why he's been traveling often despite the UK's strict travel rules for COVID.

With Sasha, last I head is that nobody is sure what's going on with her beyond it not being injury-related. Her catching COVID wouldn't be a shock considering she's recently been hanging out with anti-vax type people and spreading some misinformation about it online. Then again, same issue that if it really was COVID, then Bianca probably would have been out longer due to being in recent close contact with her.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/RicFlairNatrBoy?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RicFlairNatrBoy</a> X <a href="https://twitter.com/orangecassidy?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@orangecassidy</a> �� <a href="https://t.co/pzfeNI7Kgv">pic.twitter.com/pzfeNI7Kgv</a></p>&mdash; B/R Wrestling (@BRWrestling) <a href="https://twitter.com/BRWrestling/status/1433535108716261389?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 2, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">QT Marshall’s gimmick is a guy who puts ketchup on everything he eats even in a fancy restaurant -R</p>&mdash; Mat Men Pro Wrestling Podcast �� (@Matmenpodcast) <a href="https://twitter.com/Matmenpodcast/status/1433237907008020480?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 2, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[ron the dial]

but is he a bone-in or boneless guy? that is the real question.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hey <a href="https://twitter.com/CassieLee?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@CassieLee</a> get your man, he lost the plot ���� <a href="https://t.co/74nGmsfLdy">pic.twitter.com/74nGmsfLdy</a></p>&mdash; Giacomo (@DarkHorse0412) <a href="https://twitter.com/DarkHorse0412/status/1433602606379716608?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 3, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Jordan]

Karl Anderson is OUTA CONTROL

[Jordan]

NVM That was The Chairman SHAWN SPEARS. But Anderson's TWEETING is out of control! Someone help him! Please, Tony if you are reading this, help!

[Fignuts]

People are offended that a heel is acting like a heel on twitter. Eat me the fuck out.

[ron the dial]

going to the fan fest tomorrow but can't seem to find an actual schedule anywhere? can't seem to find one for today's either. just a list of people who will be available on which day. hmmmmmmm.

[XL]

That'd be a tiny bit of time, like, smaller than all the rest amirite.

He has literally no no-compete. He signed an extension at the end of his last contract.

[Evil Vito]

Indy wrestler Skye Blue announced for the Casino Battle Royale, which has now filled all 21 spots.

No Ruby Soho debut in that match, unless Rebel gets written off on Rampage tonight.

[rez]

https://woodlandlakesdental.com/about-us/

Up until a week or two ago, I didn't realize Britt had an active practice that's open to anyone. That's fucking cool as hell.

[rez]

Typos should be fixed and she should list the other people in the practice because those hours of operation would be bs if it was just her.

[Evil Vito]

Indy wrestler Skye Blue announced for the Casino Battle Royale, which has now filled all 21 spots.

No Ruby Soho debut in that match, unless Rebel gets written off on Rampage tonight.

Well, it wasn't Rebel written off but it appears it might be Julia Hart instead. She got hurt in her match on Dark and they then did a backstage beatdown from Jade and Nyla apparently to write her off.

[slik]

Probably the tweet responsible for AEW


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@davemeltzerWON</a> do you think ROH can ever sell out an arena with 10k+ fans? Something like the Madison Square Garden?</p>&mdash; WWE Guy (@TheWWEGuy_) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheWWEGuy_/status/864542537360474112?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 16, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Jordan]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">boom <br><br>Probably <a href="https://t.co/89tBEx97IL">pic.twitter.com/89tBEx97IL</a></p>&mdash; Pete Dunne (@PeteDunneYxB) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteDunneYxB/status/1434892600167763969?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 6, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I've read that Pete Dunne's WWE contract is up and he has been offered an extension by WWE. Obviously he's got to be on the AEW radar as he's one of the best talents anywhere in the world. It would be just another level of awesomeness for AEW if they get this guy.

I think AEW's roster is now at the point where we should be leaving behind those "off weeks" on Dynamite that we've experienced so often. Not as often since touring began but there have been a few episodes that weren't "awesome".

They have almost not excuse not to book every show with at least one must see match right now.

I've been vocal about Bray Wyatt joining AEW. It's obviously a huge catch if it happens. But they are packing a lot of talent right now with only 3 hours of proper TV a week and 4 PPV's a year. If I had a choice I'd probably chose Dunne over Wyatt.

[Sepholio]

I dunno. Bray is kind of unique and different from other people AEW have on tap. Pete Dunne is absolutely excellent but he wouldn't stand out nearly as much over there. If I was AEW I'd love to have both of them but if I had to pick one it would be Bray.

Realistically though at some point AEW either has to stop hiring people for awhile or they are going to have to start making cuts. There roster is getting bloated like WWE. It's not as big yet but WWE has 7 hours of TV per week as opposed to 3 for AEW. They are going to end up in the same boat of not having time for everyone and people are going to get lost in the shuffle.

[Sepholio]

I dunno I may take Dunne over Bray just because he is 7 years younger. Lot more time to work with him and if he becomes a big star he can be a long term boon for them. Tough call.

[Fignuts]

Yeah I've been saying their roster has been blocked for a while, but they just keep adding people. That said, you definitely don't want to pass on the people they've been getting lately, but but maybe don't give folks like the factory and the Gunn club so much time.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Hello The PWW.

I was brought here by the news of Seth82, but figured I would contribute a lil bit.

Been watching AEW, pretty great for the most part, only wrestling outside of Lucha Underground I’ve watched in the last 8 years or something.

A few guys I don’t care about but loads I do. Lots of guys whose names I know of from WWE like Malakai Black but never saw him before AEW, he’s pretty sweet.

Gonna watch All Out now, might add my comments in the thread.

CM Punk is seemingly a massive gimp irl, but to be fair even I was very excited by his return a few weeks back.

[xrodmuc316]

Fantasy booking, but man signing Bray, Braun, and Rowan together would be great. I'd love to see what a properly booked Wyatt family could do. Its one of the few tried and true wrestling gimmicks they dont have, a stable that terrorizes everybody. An attack that can come at any time on anybody on the roster, and those 3 fit that billing perfectly.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Also, with Billy Gunn being given a prominent role last week with a heel turn, I expect him to finally get the world title he deserves

[Sepholio]

Imagine if they signed Bray and he came out to "He's got the whole world in his hands". I'd mark tf out lol

[Evil Vito]

I think the one benefit to a loaded AEW roster is that they can cycle through and take guys off TV for a month or two (ala Hangman) and be totally fine.

So many guys in WWE have said they wished there could be an offseason. Bigger names like Orton, etc have negotiated time off etc.

With AEW they can give everyone a breather at different times throughout the year and still have plenty of star power.

[Blonde Moment]

I think the one benefit to a loaded AEW roster is that they can cycle through and take guys off TV for a month or two (ala Hangman) and be totally fine.

So many guys in WWE have said they wished there could be an offseason. Bigger names like Orton, etc have negotiated time off etc.

With AEW they can give everyone a breather at different times throughout the year and still have plenty of star power.

They can cycle them out, loan them out and give them a rest. Monsters can't constantly steamroll over everyone for months and them get jobbed out for 6 after losing to the good guy and expect the fans to think they are dangerous. Push the monster, defeat the monster and lend him to Impact or NJPW for 6 months instead to keep him from being stale

[Frank Drebin]

The hypothetical "would you sign Bray or Dunne" question really comes down to what one does better than the other and it should be obvious. Would you rather have the one that can work better matches (Dunne) or tell a better story (Bray)?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Probably the tweet responsible for AEW


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@davemeltzerWON</a> do you think ROH can ever sell out an arena with 10k+ fans? Something like the Madison Square Garden?</p>&mdash; WWE Guy (@TheWWEGuy_) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheWWEGuy_/status/864542537360474112?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 16, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

What’s responsible for AEW is the WWE getting giant TV rights fees. That’s it. That’s the only metric that makes something like AEW even slightly appealing to Shad Khan. You can spend millions of dollars on big stars and not make it back on gates and merch, but can get it back via TV.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">boom <br><br>Probably <a href="https://t.co/89tBEx97IL">pic.twitter.com/89tBEx97IL</a></p>&mdash; Pete Dunne (@PeteDunneYxB) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteDunneYxB/status/1434892600167763969?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 6, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I've read that Pete Dunne's WWE contract is up and he has been offered an extension by WWE. Obviously he's got to be on the AEW radar as he's one of the best talents anywhere in the world. It would be just another level of awesomeness for AEW if they get this guy.

I think AEW's roster is now at the point where we should be leaving behind those "off weeks" on Dynamite that we've experienced so often. Not as often since touring began but there have been a few episodes that weren't "awesome".

They have almost not excuse not to book every show with at least one must see match right now.

I've been vocal about Bray Wyatt joining AEW. It's obviously a huge catch if it happens. But they are packing a lot of talent right now with only 3 hours of proper TV a week and 4 PPV's a year. If I had a choice I'd probably chose Dunne over Wyatt.

They don’t have off weeks on purpose. They think that everything they are doing is gold, which is frustrating, because if you aren’t going to analyse yourself properly, how are you going to honestly improve?

The upside to bringing in world class talent like Bryan, Cole and Punk is that there shouldn’t be room for trash, and it should be almost automatic to put on better television. But this is the promotion that saw no issue with following up CM Punk’s debut with Matt Hardy vs. Orange Cassidy, so...

[Jordan]

Matt Hardy is one of the biggest stars in the buisness.

[rez]

They can cycle them out, loan them out and give them a rest. Monsters can't constantly steamroll over everyone for months and them get jobbed out for 6 after losing to the good guy and expect the fans to think they are dangerous. Push the monster, defeat the monster and lend him to Impact or NJPW for 6 months instead to keep him from being stale

This. They just need to find balance with only 4 PPVs a year. I guess this is where the TV specials come into play.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Matt Hardy is one of the biggest stars in the buisness.

He’s Jeff‘s brother and hasn’t been anywhere near good since 2008. The potential he was perceived to have was all projected from fans based on how over The Hardy Boyz were. Matt himself has flopped in every singles role he’s ever had on any level.

[James Steele]

He’s Jeff‘s brother and hasn’t been anywhere near good since 2008. The potential he was perceived to have was all projected from fans based on how over The Hardy Boyz were. Matt himself has flopped in every singles role he’s ever had on any level.

V1 had a good run I thought. Matt Hardy solo is a solid upper midcarder at best. I was never a fan of the "Broken" character.

[Blonde Moment]

His Broken character was fine until he went back to the Wwe.

[rez]

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN WELCOME TO WWE DYNAMITE. We're LIVE in Bridgeport, Connecticut at The Webster Bank Arena!!!

[Mr. Nerfect]

Mattitude was funny for a moment...in 2003. He got that windfall in 2005 when Lita cheated on him, and he blew that. Apart from that he has been pretty awful.

[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I am grateful to the impact I made in May of this year, and to AEW, both talents and staff. <br><br>Everyone welcomed me. <br><br>I was really happy. <br><br>I was so happy that I ate more bread than usual.<a href="https://twitter.com/IMPACTWRESTLING?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@IMPACTWRESTLING</a><a href="https://twitter.com/AEW?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AEW</a><br><br>��❤️</p>&mdash; 小島 聡【SATOSHI KOJIMA】 (@cozy_lariat) <a href="https://twitter.com/cozy_lariat/status/1435345888709210114?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 7, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[slik]

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[slik]

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[Damian Rey 2.0]

Damn Braudy Lee calling Noid out for a match at Full Gear!? Sign me the fuck up!!!!

[Simple Fan]

Damn

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Really looking forward to seeing what this Adam Cole guy can bring to AEW’s junior division against Marko Stunt and Brodie Lee Jr

[Lock Jaw]

There was a moment in the brawl where Luchasaurus chucked Marko Stunt at everyone.... and JR confused Marko with Adam Cole, and I was just like "understandable".

[xrodmuc316]

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That was funny as hell

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Be part of a live studio audience for <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEW</a> action at <a href="https://twitter.com/UniversalORL?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@UniversalORL</a> Florida, This Saturday, Sept. 11:<br>- Session 1: 12 pm-3 pm<br>- Session 2: 4:30 pm-7:30 pm<br>With limited seating available, and tickets are available for both sessions NOW at <a href="https://t.co/rFcIFUPD6k">https://t.co/rFcIFUPD6k</a> <a href="https://t.co/yoi8Lp1bwO">pic.twitter.com/yoi8Lp1bwO</a></p>&mdash; All Elite Wrestling (@AEW) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEW/status/1436005945558065154?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 9, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Looked to see what tickets were going for and it looks like they’re already sold out

[Bad News Gertner]

1.32 million for AEW this week

[slik]

2nd best in Dyna history I believe, behind the premiere.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Predictable rating. I thought they would get a 1.3 this week. Next week it will be 1.2. Then it will settle back into the 1.1 range. Whenever that Grand Slam show is will do 1.3 too. But it all trickles back down.

[drave]

They'll never hit a million


I knew they'd hit over a million, but it'll go back down


See it went back down, this is where it will stay, they'll never hit a million again


I knew they'd be over a million again, but it'll go back down again!!!




< loop>

[Mr. Nerfect]

They'll never hit a million


I knew they'd hit over a million, but it'll go back down


See it went back down, this is where it will stay, they'll never hit a million again


I knew they'd be over a million again, but it'll go back down again!!!




< loop>

That’s your story, bud. What you’re confusing here is when Gerty said they would never consistently hit over 1 million viewers while they were opposed by NXT. Now that they’re unopposed, obviously that changes. But ignore that for the “critic bad” argument.

And yes, they will go back down. That is what always happens. They hot-shot something big for attention, they get it, a lot of people say “not for me,” then they go back to that 900k-1.1 million range. The big things on the horizon are Arthur Ashe and Ric Flair. They’ll probably scrounge something together after that, but it will likely continue in this pattern for a long-ass time.

[Triple A]

With TV ratings dropping across the board every year due to fewer people watching live TV, I feel like it's more likely that the way AEW could beat Raw in viewers would be when Raw eventually drops down to like 1.1 million or something in a couple of years, rather than AEW getting over 2 million

[Mr. Nerfect]

With TV ratings dropping across the board every year, I feel like it's more likely that the way AEW could beat Raw in viewers would be when Raw eventually drops down to like 1.1 million or something in a couple of years, rather than AEW getting over 2 million

This seems to be a common theory, but the thing is, if the bottom falls out of Raw, AEW is probably going to be effected too. It’s more likely they end up in proportionate circumstances. If Raw loses 40% of its audience, then AEW is likely to lose a large chunk of theirs too. You’d probably have Raw doing 1.1 million and AEW doing 750k.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

1.32 million for AEW this week

Gertner, I noticed there was no RIP line. Are you sick? Are you in trouble? Should we send help?

[Emperor Smeat]

With TV ratings dropping across the board every year due to fewer people watching live TV, I feel like it's more likely that the way AEW could beat Raw in viewers would be when Raw eventually drops down to like 1.1 million or something in a couple of years, rather than AEW getting over 2 million

They already got the first part of the equation unlocked since this week's AEW show beat this week's RAW show in terms of the key demo viewers. Did it without having to include DVR viewers which is how CM Punk's debut Rampage show managed to top both RAW and SmackDown shows that week.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is the first time Dynamite beat Raw in 18 to 49 in the same week.<br><br>Dynamite was also ahead of Raw in M18-49 and P35-49.<br><br>Dynamite ranked #1 among cable originals in the 18-49 demo for the day, according to Showbuzz.</p>&mdash; Brandon Thurston (@BrandonThurston) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrandonThurston/status/1436059141718646786?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 9, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The general consensus online is AEW could probably over take RAW in terms of overall viewers this Fall but Meltzer thinks next Fall is more likely based on current trends and AEW's female viewership not being stable or strong enough where that could be possible yet.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I think it’ll be around a year or so before Dynamite gets close to or matches Raw but as of late I’d imagine they and TNT are very happy with the results so far.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

The elite v Danielson drew 1.5m viewers. Color me impressed.

[Emperor Smeat]

Wrestlenomics Brandon Thurston gave some more details about AEW's ratings this week compared to WWE's shows.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Patreon post has been updated with additional info, charts and context: <a href="https://t.co/Eb1yQbsqwF">https://t.co/Eb1yQbsqwF</a><br><br>I'll be doing a live YouTube ratings talk at 5:30pm ET at this link: <a href="https://t.co/HctgvTMwst">https://t.co/HctgvTMwst</a> <a href="https://t.co/ek6liQ24zq">pic.twitter.com/ek6liQ24zq</a></p>&mdash; Brandon Thurston (@BrandonThurston) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrandonThurston/status/1436065015224754181?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 9, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Basically shows how big the gaps are in certain areas that AEW would need to close first before they could even think about toppling RAW in overall viewers in the future. Plus where AEW is cracking the armor of SD which would be an even bigger deal if they toppled them one of these days considering FOX's network status compared to TNT's cable status.

Even if AEW numbers were to drop big next week, they'd still have the valuable experience and foundation in place to act as a launch pad for the next time.

[Jordan]

It only makes sense that AEW is finally beating both NXT and Raw because WWE is essentially a product for retards and burn victims.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Melissa Santos went on Twitter to proclaim her husband Brian Cage is being misused in AEW and should be a top star. Don’t get me wrong, I like Cage enough. Good look. Great finisher. Kinda clunky in the ring and I’m not big on him trying to wrestle a style that’s not complimentary of his physical appearance, but he’s a good talent and they’ve featured him and mostly protected him since his debut, and he’s in finishing up a year long storyline with team taz. He also can’t cut a decent promo that I’ve seen and seems vanilla as fuck, personality wise. I get it’s get husband and she wants him to be the top guy but let’s be realistic here. He’s far from misused. He’s been beaten clean 3x in the last year as far as I know, one of which was Taz throwing in the towel and the other with Darby pinning him on a crucifix bomb off the top rope and was made to look like an upset.

Misused is certainly not the word I’d use. Underutilized, maybe. But even then.

[Triple A]

Feel like Brian Cage would fit in better in WWE tbh

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Thicc boi power rankings

1) Miro
2) Archer
3) Luchasaurus
4) Wardlow
5) Hobbs
6) Cage

I mean I get it. He’s been pretty much an afterthought. But he hasn’t been very exciting in his time on tv. Hope he can turn it around.

[Emperor Smeat]

Does John Silver count as a thicc boy?

If so, I'd put him and maybe Bear Country over Cage in AEW's thicc boy power rankings.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Silver is more of a low key thiccums

This is more about meaty men slapping meat.

[Emperor Smeat]

Oh. Those rankings look about right in that case.

Luchasaurs feels a bit too high but can't go wrong with a nice hoss fight between any of those guys together.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I think Cage is probably a better talent than 3, 4, and 5 on the list. But where they are on card now, he’s definitely at the bottom.

Still better than Hager though.

[Emperor Smeat]

Yeah I'd put Cage over Hager and maybe even Bear Country over Hager.

That recent MMA style match Hager had against Wardlow would have been way better had it been much shorter. Both guys being gassed half-way deflated a lot of the excitement their hoss fight had up until that point.

Even in Lucha Underground, Hager felt more in the lower end for meaty guys which made giving him LU's top belt a big head scratchier, especially since the company shut down right before the whole evil higher power supernatural group with him storyline would have taken off.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Luchasaurus is ridiculously over, which Cage isn’t. I didn’t realize Hobbs has beef wrestling since 2009. He’s still 7 years younger than Cage. Wardlow isn’t doing much more of anything at all than Cage.

I don’t think Cage has much to complain about. He’s still getting tv time and segments and he’s getting another match with Starks before they hopefully move on to the Punk v Team Taz feud they planted seeds for.

I think breaking Cage from Taz was a bad idea for him. He needs a mouthpiece and he works well as a heater/hired gun type where he can just wreck guys and not talk much.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

The timing didn’t work out but if Cage would’ve ended up being Dan Lambert’s muscle it would’ve been perfect.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

AEW definitely has a thicc boi dilemma. Basically only Miro and Archer can get themselves over. Everybody else needs help.

[Triple A]

I think breaking Cage from Taz was a bad idea for him. He needs a mouthpiece and he works well as a heater/hired gun type where he can just wreck guys and not talk much.

Yeah def... But even when Taz was cutting promos for him and Cage would just stand there doing his throat cutting gesture, he would do it in such an uninspired way...

[Lock Jaw]

The most I remember about Cage is the time I saw him in Lucha Underground and he would yell "I'm not a man... I'M A MAAAAAACHIIIIIINE" at the top of his lungs

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Yeah def... But even when Taz was cutting promos for him and Cage would just stand there doing his throat cutting gesture, he would do it in such an uninspired way...

His signature mannerisms look very unnatural. And I think that comes from his general lack of charisma. I’ve heard good things about his work from lucha underground, and in ring I believe it. But promo wise he’s just not that interesting and between him and Starks it’s easy to see why they’re running with Starks.

[slik]

Randomly thinking about that time Kevin Owens did an impersonation of Enzo Amore

[slik]

so funny


https://thumbs.gfycat.com/InfatuatedPlushAmericancreamdraft-size_restricted.gif

[slik]

Anyway, KO should join AEW

[slik]

KO/MJF mic battle

[slik]

prob should have put this in the jumping ship thread but I do what I want

[Lock Jaw]

https://i.imgur.com/JHRSy4X.gif

[Damian Rey 2.0]

He’s almost certainly going to aew

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">What’s interesting is that Long Island is a TERRIBLE market for wrestling.Heyman once berated us for “sitting on their hands” during a commercial break. Note this is huge that a new company has broke the wall on Long Island. <a href="https://twitter.com/bullyray5150?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@bullyray5150</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/BustedOpenRadio?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BustedOpenRadio</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/RealMickFoley?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RealMickFoley</a> <a href="https://t.co/3hpxgcUL3c">https://t.co/3hpxgcUL3c</a></p>&mdash; Jono (@drjonosuave) <a href="https://twitter.com/drjonosuave/status/1436348974445826053?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 10, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Emperor Smeat]

According to Tony Khan, the newest estimates for All Out 2021's ppv buys are over 200,000 based on current data numbers from linear ppv providers.

While the final numbers from linear pay-per-view providers still have to be calculated, AEW's Tony Khan said that last Sunday's All Out brought in more than 200,000 buys -- a record for the company.

After those linear buys are figured out, that number is expected to grow significantly.

Speaking on his Friday segment for Busted Open Radio, Khan didn't provide any other details but was very happy about the success, specifically thanking CM Punk, his roster and the fans ...

Khan also noted they have sold more than 100,000 Punk t-shirts and thousands upon thousands of ice cream bars since his debut.

[Bad News Gertner]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">What’s interesting is that Long Island is a TERRIBLE market for wrestling.Heyman once berated us for “sitting on their hands” during a commercial break. Note this is huge that a new company has broke the wall on Long Island. <a href="https://twitter.com/bullyray5150?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@bullyray5150</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/BustedOpenRadio?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BustedOpenRadio</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/RealMickFoley?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RealMickFoley</a> <a href="https://t.co/3hpxgcUL3c">https://t.co/3hpxgcUL3c</a></p>&mdash; Jono (@drjonosuave) <a href="https://twitter.com/drjonosuave/status/1436348974445826053?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 10, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


It's not called the "Nassau Mausoleum" for nothing

[Triple A]

Yeah I remember WWE crowds at Nassau Coliseum always being awful for some reason

UBS Arena is literally on the border of NYC/Queens, a half hour drive closer to NYC than Nassau Coliseum, so probably will get more NYC fans

[Bad News Gertner]

Them and Corpus Christi

[Triple A]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">First look at AEW DARK on Soundstage 19 at Universal Studios. <a href="https://twitter.com/BodyslamNet?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BodyslamNet</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDark?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDark</a> <a href="https://t.co/zShwa390g0">pic.twitter.com/zShwa390g0</a></p>&mdash; Trent Osborne of Bodyslam.Net (@TrentOsborneFS) <a href="https://twitter.com/TrentOsborneFS/status/1436716854232428556?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 11, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[slik]

they opened more seats up for long island


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AEW Presents Dynamite &amp; Rampage<br>Wed • Dec 08 • 7:00 PM<br>UBS Arena, Belmont Park - Long Island, NY<br><br>Available Tickets =&gt; 3,063 (-242)<br>Estimated Capacity =&gt; 8,851<br>Tickets Distributed =&gt; 5,788 (65%)<a href="https://t.co/yRCOtL75Yu">https://t.co/yRCOtL75Yu</a> <a href="https://t.co/irC5Avo7CI">pic.twitter.com/irC5Avo7CI</a></p>&mdash; WrestleTix (@WrestleTix) <a href="https://twitter.com/WrestleTix/status/1436736273927090177?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 11, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Evil Vito]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This queens show is going to be something really special for AEW and the fans in the building.</p>&mdash; Andrew Zarian (@AndrewZarian) <a href="https://twitter.com/AndrewZarian/status/1436766669746188289?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 11, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He also said All Out would be special and have several surprises about 2 weeks before the show, which of course happened.

No idea what else they could bust out for Queens with Bryan and Cole already having debuted. Flair showing up would be cool but hardly feel like a game-changer. Bray can't show up yet. Braun, Murphy, etc aren't anything that would feel like a big deal compared to the other debuts.

I'd say Jay White can turn up for a Bullet Club invasion but it's basically just him and Chris Bey at this point, everyone else is in Japan for the G1.

Maybe Hangman makes his return? That will be a big pop obviously.

If another WWE contract expired I'd imagine Fightful will find out before the show gets here lol.

I trust it'll be a damn good show no matter what but truly no idea what other rabbit they can pull out of the hat.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I think hangman returns are Arthur Ashe to save Bryan after he gets jumped by the elite

[Jordan]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This queens show is going to be something really special for AEW and the fans in the building.</p>&mdash; Andrew Zarian (@AndrewZarian) <a href="https://twitter.com/AndrewZarian/status/1436766669746188289?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 11, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He also said All Out would be special and have several surprises about 2 weeks before the show, which of course happened.

No idea what else they could bust out for Queens with Bryan and Cole already having debuted. Flair showing up would be cool but hardly feel like a game-changer. Bray can't show up yet. Braun, Murphy, etc aren't anything that would feel like a big deal compared to the other debuts.

I'd say Jay White can turn up for a Bullet Club invasion but it's basically just him and Chris Bey at this point, everyone else is in Japan for the G1.

Maybe Hangman makes his return? That will be a big pop obviously.

If another WWE contract expired I'd imagine Fightful will find out before the show gets here lol.

I trust it'll be a damn good show no matter what but truly no idea what other rabbit they can pull out of the hat.

They don't have to have a debut to make it an amazing show.

[Evil Vito]

Oh I totally agree with that. But in the comments people were asking "do you mean someone else is showing up" and he was liking the tweets.

Give me Danielson's in-ring debut and I'll be happy as a clam.

[Lock Jaw]

The Anonymous GM of RAW is All-Elite

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">THIS WEDNESDAY, <a href="https://twitter.com/CMPunk?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@CMPunk</a> will be LIVE as a special guest commentator on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> at 8/7c on <a href="https://twitter.com/tntdrama?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@tntdrama</a>! <a href="https://t.co/roHF4OzRxU">pic.twitter.com/roHF4OzRxU</a></p>&mdash; All Elite Wrestling (@AEW) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEW/status/1437564248809431043?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 13, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Gotta be during a team taz match and I’m ALL IN on Punk and Taz cutting promos on each other

[Tom Guycott]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">THIS WEDNESDAY, <a href="https://twitter.com/CMPunk?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@CMPunk</a> will be LIVE as a special guest commentator on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> at 8/7c on <a href="https://twitter.com/tntdrama?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@tntdrama</a>! <a href="https://t.co/roHF4OzRxU">pic.twitter.com/roHF4OzRxU</a></p>&mdash; All Elite Wrestling (@AEW) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEW/status/1437564248809431043?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 13, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Gotta be during a team taz match and I’m ALL IN on Punk and Taz cutting promos on each other

It's all fun and games until Hook spills his diet soda...

[Lock Jaw]

They already out of ideas for Punk?

[xrodmuc316]

They already out of ideas for Punk?

Nobody ask him if he changed the culture, he does not react well to that question :lol:

[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Well damn. <a href="https://t.co/qoV1uTedC1">pic.twitter.com/qoV1uTedC1</a></p>&mdash; ��Adam Goldberg  (@adamgoldberg28) <a href="https://twitter.com/adamgoldberg28/status/1437096711797854221?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 12, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[ron the dial]

hahahaha i love tony so much

[Lock Jaw]

Too much profanity.....

[Mr. Nerfect]

And Bryan is wrestling in a non-title match at Grand Slam. Told you they would fuck it up.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Makin’ moves…! <a href="https://t.co/ii85XijS8N">https://t.co/ii85XijS8N</a></p>&mdash; Rosario Dawson (@rosariodawson) <a href="https://twitter.com/rosariodawson/status/1438322338098032644?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 16, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[drave]

And Bryan is wrestling in a non-title match at Grand Slam. Told you they would fuck it up.


This was going to be your take, regardless.

[XL]

And Bryan is wrestling in a non-title match at Grand Slam. Told you they would fuck it up.

Can I ask for some detail on how?

[Jordan]

I am super excited for Danielson/Omega at Grand Slam, super excited to be there live and witness it but even if I wasn't going to attend I'd be pumped to watch it. Having a non-title is fine, Danielson shouldn't get an immediate title shot as was discussed during the angle last night thus it's a match for bragging rights, who is the best?

The title can come into play later on if that's where AEW ends up going with Danielson/Omega. Though I'm having doubts that AEW will offer a rematch on the PPV after having the first encounter on TV, twice in a row after they did that with Christian and Omega. Full Gear will probably be Omega/Hangman, I presume.

Anyway.

One issue I'm having with Danielson so far is that I feel the crowd should be hotter for him than they are. Perhaps it's because of the knowledge we all had that he was coming in. Perhaps it's because Punk was so overwhelming for everyone just weeks before. But the biggest thing I'm noticing is that if Danielson came out and did his YES gesture that the fans would probably be in unison with him and chanting YES as loud as possible.

Without the YES he doesn't really have a chant for the crowd. In WWE it was DANIEL BRYAN clap clap clap clap clap or YES YES YES. So either the fans will get creative and come up with something new for him or AEW will direct them to something new somehow. But he needs that chant to get the reaction we all expect from him.

I do not foresee YOU'RE GONNA GET YOUR FUCKING HEAD KICKED IN chant to get back on the Danielson stage. Newark basically no sold The American Dragon mention last night.

I know Bryan said he didn't know if he was able to do the YES chant and gesture but I am quite certain he can. I just don't think he wants to, which is fine. I think that he could end up best used as a heel after this program with Omega. Most of his more interesting matches are actually with babyfaces so I think eventually he goes bad Bryan.

[Jordan]

Also I know that some are expecting Punk to be heel eventually and sure eventually that could happen. But as of now he's easily the biggest babyface in pro wrestling and has an incredible connection to the fans so I wouldn't want to see that go to waste so he can be mean.

[ron the dial]

got tickets to the 11/24 dynamite/rampage. 69 days baby.

[Jordan]

got tickets to the 11/24 dynamite/rampage. 69 days baby.

How many AEW shows have you been to now?

[ron the dial]

just revolution 2020, the first dance, and all out 2021. this will be my first dynamite so i'm pretty excited. it's pretty much impossible for me to make it to the now arena during the week, but with this being a holiday and in chicago proper it'll be easier.

[ron the dial]

we did try to get tickets to all in and the first all out but obviously those sold out in a heartbeat. now i get those presale codes so that helps.

[ron the dial]

you're going to grand slam, yeah? have you been to any others?

everyone, tell me the aew shows you've been to, please.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Damn at this guy's IG story from <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> ������ <a href="https://t.co/a1Wh8Nu9mE">pic.twitter.com/a1Wh8Nu9mE</a></p>&mdash; Kenton (@Kenton_la) <a href="https://twitter.com/Kenton_la/status/1438534421800443908?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 16, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Bad News Gertner]

1.175 million. Down 11%

Abandon ship!

R.I.P

[Bad News Gertner]

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[ron the dial]

https://i.imgur.com/moRY9qg.gif

[xrodmuc316]

1.175 million. Down 11%

Abandon ship!

R.I.P

Ooofa

[Bad News Gertner]

Wow, 2014 Impact called. They want their ratings back.

Eeek. Dixie Carter to buy AEW. That's the rumours I've been hearing.

[Bad News Gertner]

Damian Ray was upset that I didn't comment on last week's ratings so you can blame him for this

[Damian Rey 2.0]

It’s spelled Rey, you ass wipe (PS I love you)

[Tom Guycott]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Damn at this guy's IG story from <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> ������ <a href="https://t.co/a1Wh8Nu9mE">pic.twitter.com/a1Wh8Nu9mE</a></p>&mdash; Kenton (@Kenton_la) <a href="https://twitter.com/Kenton_la/status/1438534421800443908?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 16, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This makes it look like less of a stage dive into an adoring crowd, and more him dropping the Macho Man elbow on someone he didn't want filming him.

[XL]

It’s about as controlled as his elbow drop tbf.

[Triple A]

Rain forecasted for Wednesday in Queens, so looks like the roof will be closed and people will be told to wear masks . . .

[drave]

And then won't anyway!

[Mr. Nerfect]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Makin’ moves…! <a href="https://t.co/ii85XijS8N">https://t.co/ii85XijS8N</a></p>&mdash; Rosario Dawson (@rosariodawson) <a href="https://twitter.com/rosariodawson/status/1438322338098032644?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 16, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Straight outta WWE. How did Cody know this was going to happen to position himself in the crowd for the “save.” I use quotes because Rosario Dawson held her own against one of their top heels. And why did security just let her in? WWE gets blasted every time they do a bullshit angle like this.

Remember when Cody used to take shots at WWE having an invisible wall? Lol, the days of any effort being put into their presentation are long gone. It’s sports entertainment tropes all the way.

This was going to be your take, regardless.

No, it wasn’t. The issue is I like good stuff. 95% of AEW is bad. MJF and Brian Pillman, Jr. had a scorcher of a segment last week. Near perfection. I’ve actually rewatched it a few times to just marvel at the performances. I haven’t done that for an MJF promo since prior to his Moxley feud.

If something is good, I’ll say it’s good. It’s just that you can drive a truck through the logic gaps in this program. It rarely makes anyone look better than they already did or should have. The matches are repetitive white noise. The promos are way overrated. The commentary is awful. There are production mishaps all the time. And the show has this self-congratulatory attitude, like they truly believe that anything they do is golden.

I’ve said it before: Start up another promotion with the same resources and book it properly and it does way better than AEW. And the rats will jump from that ship in a second.

Can I ask for some detail on how?

Sure. Bryan is over, which is a good start. Guru Dave Callis comes out, and while it’s sad that Cyrus is celebrated as a manager in 2021, he’s not bad at his job. His line about Bryan being a hippy millionaire was actually good. Can’t remember anything else he said. Bryan either had trouble remembering his lines or got lost. He’s doing that unnatural thing wrestlers do in AEW, which is swear to try and sound cool. Jericho does it too. Swearing, on its surface, is not cool on its own. It can make for lovely punctuation, but you have to be 12 to think that calling someone a “piece of shit” in 2021 is edgy.

Bryan does the Goldberg thing and basically pushes his claim to the belt to the side for...reasons. I’ve seen people defend this by saying “AEW isn’t WWE, they don’t hand out title shots!” Bullshit. This is straight out of WWE. They just did this. And Bryan will win the non-title match and get a title shot. Just. Like. WWE.

Instead of giving New York a WrestleMania-level moment they can remember forever and even earmark this as an annual event, they’re going to try and get the snarky crowd to will this forward by manufacturing this “dream match atmosphere.” You know, instead of actually creating drama and having a genuine emotional release.

I am super excited for Danielson/Omega at Grand Slam, super excited to be there live and witness it but even if I wasn't going to attend I'd be pumped to watch it. Having a non-title is fine, Danielson shouldn't get an immediate title shot as was discussed during the angle last night thus it's a match for bragging rights, who is the best?

The title can come into play later on if that's where AEW ends up going with Danielson/Omega. Though I'm having doubts that AEW will offer a rematch on the PPV after having the first encounter on TV, twice in a row after they did that with Christian and Omega. Full Gear will probably be Omega/Hangman, I presume.

Anyway.

One issue I'm having with Danielson so far is that I feel the crowd should be hotter for him than they are. Perhaps it's because of the knowledge we all had that he was coming in. Perhaps it's because Punk was so overwhelming for everyone just weeks before. But the biggest thing I'm noticing is that if Danielson came out and did his YES gesture that the fans would probably be in unison with him and chanting YES as loud as possible.

Without the YES he doesn't really have a chant for the crowd. In WWE it was DANIEL BRYAN clap clap clap clap clap or YES YES YES. So either the fans will get creative and come up with something new for him or AEW will direct them to something new somehow. But he needs that chant to get the reaction we all expect from him.

I do not foresee YOU'RE GONNA GET YOUR FUCKING HEAD KICKED IN chant to get back on the Danielson stage. Newark basically no sold The American Dragon mention last night.

I know Bryan said he didn't know if he was able to do the YES chant and gesture but I am quite certain he can. I just don't think he wants to, which is fine. I think that he could end up best used as a heel after this program with Omega. Most of his more interesting matches are actually with babyfaces so I think eventually he goes bad Bryan.

Bragging rights to find out who is the best is what a championship is for. That’s its literal purpose. If you are the two best wrestlers in the world, and one of you wins a match between you, that wrestler should be champion.

I’ve heard people say that Bryan shouldn’t walk into the company and get a title shot? Why not? Why promote him as a giant star and actually tell people he’s one of the best in the world if you’re going to make him climb this fictional ladder? Why put those obstacles in front of themselves?

[Fignuts]

Straight outta WWE. How did Cody know this was going to happen to position himself in the crowd for the “save.” I use quotes because Rosario Dawson held her own against one of their top heels. And why did security just let her in? WWE gets blasted every time they do a bullshit angle like this.

Remember when Cody used to take shots at WWE having an invisible wall? Lol, the days of any effort being put into their presentation are long gone. It’s sports entertainment tropes all the way.



No, it wasn’t. The issue is I like good stuff. 95% of AEW is bad. MJF and Brian Pillman, Jr. had a scorcher of a segment last week. Near perfection. I’ve actually rewatched it a few times to just marvel at the performances. I haven’t done that for an MJF promo since prior to his Moxley feud.

If something is good, I’ll say it’s good. It’s just that you can drive a truck through the logic gaps in this program. It rarely makes anyone look better than they already did or should have. The matches are repetitive white noise. The promos are way overrated. The commentary is awful. There are production mishaps all the time. And the show has this self-congratulatory attitude, like they truly believe that anything they do is golden.

I’ve said it before: Start up another promotion with the same resources and book it properly and it does way better than AEW. And the rats will jump from that ship in a second.



Sure. Bryan is over, which is a good start. Guru Dave Callis comes out, and while it’s sad that Cyrus is celebrated as a manager in 2021, he’s not bad at his job. His line about Bryan being a hippy millionaire was actually good. Can’t remember anything else he said. Bryan either had trouble remembering his lines or got lost. He’s doing that unnatural thing wrestlers do in AEW, which is swear to try and sound cool. Jericho does it too. Swearing, on its surface, is not cool on its own. It can make for lovely punctuation, but you have to be 12 to think that calling someone a “piece of shit” in 2021 is edgy.

Bryan does the Goldberg thing and basically pushes his claim to the belt to the side for...reasons. I’ve seen people defend this by saying “AEW isn’t WWE, they don’t hand out title shots!” Bullshit. This is straight out of WWE. They just did this. And Bryan will win the non-title match and get a title shot. Just. Like. WWE.

Instead of giving New York a WrestleMania-level moment they can remember forever and even earmark this as an annual event, they’re going to try and get the snarky crowd to will this forward by manufacturing this “dream match atmosphere.” You know, instead of actually creating drama and having a genuine emotional release.



Bragging rights to find out who is the best is what a championship is for. That’s its literal purpose. If you are the two best wrestlers in the world, and one of you wins a match between you, that wrestler should be champion.

I’ve heard people say that Bryan shouldn’t walk into the company and get a title shot? Why not? Why promote him as a giant star and actually tell people he’s one of the best in the world if you’re going to make him climb this fictional ladder? Why put those obstacles in front of themselves?

I would say that giving bryan a title shot right away would undermine their ranking system, but they haven't really utilized that effectively in the first place.

[Mr. Nerfect]

1.175 million. Down 11%

Abandon ship!

R.I.P

1.1

I remember when SCG Radio made fun of TNA for having a 1.1 problem. They could never get past that rating. AEW has a 1.1 problem of their own. Theirs is viewership.

They just got handed possibly the most likeable star in all of wrestling. Of course that brings them some attention. But then, either because of what that star does or doesn’t do, or the show around them, people tune back out.

WWE gets mocked for losing their audience and not creating new fans. Why does AEW escape criticism for their own ineptitude? 1.4 million people checked them out opposed by other wrestling. About half of those people said “Nope, not for me.” Now they are on a wrestling-free night and they sit at about 1.1 million every week, and every time there is a big star — either from the world of celebrity sports or wrestling — they climb for a moment and then most of those people say “Nope, not for me.”

Can we please stop acting like this show is somehow successful at creating appealing content while WWE is not? What you can say for one can be said for the other. They are both bad television in their different ways, but they are both definitely bad television.

And no, Americans are not known for their taste. Something being popular doesn’t mean it’s good. Conversely, being unpopular doesn’t mean something is bad. But wrestling’s viewership being even as high as it is is reflective of that bad taste. This isn’t something good waiting to be discovered. This is something most people turn off because it doesn’t tick enough boxes for them. Stop lying and telling me it does.

[Noid]

Hey folks, just dropping by to take your fandom down a notch. You see, what you enjoy is not really my cup of tea. It's a bit embarrassing to see you all having such a good time while I bask in my misery. There's room for plenty more, come be miserable with me :wave:

[Mr. Nerfect]

And why would WWE change? The only reason to do so would be to stop talent from jumping ship. But when you jump ship you go from one frying pan into another frying pan. You’re going into witness protection. You’re trading fame and recognition to basically appear on a game show.

And this is the problem I’ve had with AEW from the start. They are not good enough to use their resources to actually put the flame to WWE. So what you’re going to get is WWE being WWE, and their nearest challenger being closer to ROH than them in terms of popularity, making it look like this is the best anyone can do against Vince. It’s actually not a good thing for wrestling, and people won’t look past the simplistic arguments of “Guys have jobs,” “They’re getting paid a lot,” “There’s more wrestling on TV.” This is sucking the well dry, because it’s 10 hours of bad wrestling on basic cable or network TV every week. It’s going to take its toll.

My biggest hope is still that another billionaire comes in and just buys all the talent worth a shit from the indies, MLW, the NWA, ROH and AEW. Tony won’t have the balls to say no to people asking for releases. Either that or all this bad wrestling acts as an incubator, so when someone finally comes along in later years and does something good, it’s like wrestling has been dark for so long that it’s fresh again. 2001-whenever that is will be remembered as the Dark Ages — the Sports Entertainment Years. Then we’ll get the debut of 21st Century Pro-Wrestling.

[Noid]

I too want Dwayne Johnson to start a wrestling promotion that caters to my unique, refined and well endowed taste.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Hey folks, just dropping by to take your fandom down a notch. You see, what you enjoy is not really my cup of tea. It's a bit embarrassing to see you all having such a good time while I bask in my misery. There's room for plenty more, come be miserable with me :wave:

Lol, right on cue. These posts are so predictable. Instead of actually responding to my reasonable post, some of which was directly requested by another poster, here comes a dude with a sock account dedicated to me to try and attack me instead of the actual argument.

Not miserable, folks. Just because I type “This show sucks” doesn’t mean I’m not having a jolly good time doing it. Weird concept, I know. Do I wish wrestling was better? Of course. Am I sorry that one of my favorite art forms has been diluted and trivialized to the point it can barely qualify as art? Sure. But I’m not miserable. I get my wrestling fix from other sources now. And it’s left me with a lot more time to read, exercise, go out for nice meals and work on personal projects. Cutting out wrestling has actually been a net good in my life. It’s just a shame I had to do it.

If you still enjoy this crap, cool. You do you. I’ve said that many times. But there is a difference between subjective enjoyment and objective success. And there’s a difference between you enjoying something and it actually being good.

Don’t tell me that AEW is this raging success where WWE isn’t. Don’t tell me it’s narrowing this gap when it’s not. Don’t tell me that $45 million a year is a shit-load of money in television terms. Don’t tell me that 1.1 million viewers is some amazing number, while 1.75 million is a sinking ship. Don’t fucking lie to me. I don’t lie to you. I tell you exactly what I think on a DISCUSSION BOARD. We’re here to DISCUSS ideas, not blindly prop up your sensitive fandom that can’t survive a healthy dose of reality.

If you love AEW — good for you. Some people like Vegemite too. Cool. Grow a set of balls and enjoy what you enjoy. But you have to accept that some people aren’t going to like it, and that some people are going to call a spade a spade in regards to that.

And that’s why people around here get so bothered by me. It really is. They know I’m right, and it does wet their socks a little. That’s why you don’t see actual retorts to my posts, and just have insecure idiots trying to tell me off for being miserable, posting on a board I’ve been frequenting for 20 years, making sick accounts, telling me to relax, etc. I’m sorry that your wrestling doesn’t hold up to scrutiny. But maybe hold AEW to a higher standard instead of shooting the messenger?

[Evil Vito]

5 straight ignored posts, awesome

[Evil Vito]

Another great day to be a fan of the best professional wrestling company on the planet

[Mr. Nerfect]

5 straight ignored posts, awesome

Lol, look at how edgy this guy is. Apparently he’s ignoring me, yet feels the need to indicate to the gang that he’s cool. Let’s start a dogpile, guys. Fucking coward. And another insecure moron who has me on ignore but is still trying to bait me. This all defeats the point of actually ignoring me, but oh well.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Another great day to be a fan of the best professional wrestling company on the planet

This is the AEW thread.

[Noid]

5 straight ignored posts, awesome

Why would you ignore one of the most brightest wrestling minds of our time?

[Damian Rey 2.0]

5 straight ignored posts, awesome

Lmao same here

[screech]

The ignore feature might be the best part of this place lol

[Lock Jaw]

Warning, tangent + *stirring the pot*:

I feel like just by being in AEW that CM Punk and Daniel Bryan have lost a lot of their "allure"... seeing a small dude "break through" almost "against what the company wanted"... which is just not something that AEW can recreate because there are a million small dudes and the company wants them all to be over.

So in a way, by the very act of being in an "oppressive regime" is what made them great, and without that they are just "another guy"

[Evil Vito]

Bryan Danielson is pretty much universally considered one of the best wrestlers in the world, has yet to wrestle a single AEW match and already he’s get the “just another guy” label?

Lmao.

[Lock Jaw]

Part of that is WWE's fault, and his own for getting a short haircut. He was already feeling not super special anymore. Maybe he can turn it around, but his debut and promos weren't exactly great showings. Pair it with a terrible theme song, mayne not being able to do the "yes" thing, and his short hair, and you get just another talented guy in AEW.

[Jordan]

I think the Omega program is the best first program he could have. The only issue I really have is that without the YES chant his reactions are not as awesome as they could be. It's pretty obvious that Punk is the bigger star right now and maybe even Moxley. But after Wednesday we will see how it goes forward with Danielson.

I expect his reaction to be huge on Wednesday and I think that after his first match we will get deeper with him.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Warning, tangent + *stirring the pot*:

I feel like just by being in AEW that CM Punk and Daniel Bryan have lost a lot of their "allure"... seeing a small dude "break through" almost "against what the company wanted"... which is just not something that AEW can recreate because there are a million small dudes and the company wants them all to be over.

So in a way, by the very act of being in an "oppressive regime" is what made them great, and without that they are just "another guy"

How the hardcore wrestling bubble and the general wrestling bubble perceive Bryan and Punk signing with AEW is very different. The general bubble doesn’t get much airplay, but there are people out there who absolutely do see Punk as a failed MMA guy and Bryan as a guy that couldn’t hack it in WWE anymore.

For me, the backdrop they’re against just doesn’t do them favors. It was never going to. Like how some people go “I just don’t think (x) is a good fit for New Japan.” I just don’t think Punk and Bryan are really good fits for AEW.

I’m happy these guys are leaving WWE. But there’s just nowhere for them to go that seems like the perfect environment for them. Imagine some other promotion getting Christian Cage, CM Punk, Samoa Joe, Bryan Danielson and Brock Lesnar this year. Just epic.

Maybe TK will get bored, ask his dad for more money and just buy the NWA or start a new promotion for either Punk or Bryan to actually book? Then he can send the guys that want to do pro-wrestling there and leave AEW for the sports entertainment stuff.

[Vastardikai]

I would say that giving bryan a title shot right away would undermine their ranking system, but they haven't really utilized that effectively in the first place.

"Destination Unknown..."

As for the one last Ace Tony Khan talked about, I have a 100% guarantee: We will see Marty Scurrl in AEW before we see Bray Wyatt. I can say that because, even if the only member of the Elite not in AEW never "Whoop Whoops" his way to the ring due to allegations, Bray Wyatt will not be in AEW. Will we see Windham Rotunda? Possibly, maybe even absolutely. But We will not Bray Wyatt in AEW for the same reason we didn't see Johnny B. Badd in WWF.

Time will tell if Windham Rotunda the wrestler is as big of a star as Bray Wyatt the character was. I doubt it.

Also, there are more than enough Neckbeard fans that would love to see the Villain in AEW. Too bad AEW isn't big on having abusers on their payroll, except for the ones that they have.

[Mr. Nerfect]

AEW was down 11%. NXT was up 28%. Maybe we shouldn’t be talking about Dynamite surpassing Raw?

[Noid]

Realistically, who cares if Dynamite beats RAW in the ratings. They're already producing relatively better content.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Warning, tangent + *stirring the pot*:

I feel like just by being in AEW that CM Punk and Daniel Bryan have lost a lot of their "allure"... seeing a small dude "break through" almost "against what the company wanted"... which is just not something that AEW can recreate because there are a million small dudes and the company wants them all to be over.

So in a way, by the very act of being in an "oppressive regime" is what made them great, and without that they are just "another guy"

CM Punk sold out an area and pulled a million tv viewers on the rumor of him showing up and along Danielson helped sell 200k PPVs. Plus their merch is red hot.

Plus Punk and Danielson were instead draws and very popular in a very un WEE environment because they’re talented not because they’re trying to break thru a glass ceiling.

[#1-norm-fan]

NXT rating up 28%.

TPWW Thursday Night Watch-along rating up 200%.

The numbers don’t lie.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Realistically, who cares if Dynamite beats RAW in the ratings. They're already producing relatively better content.

A lot of people do. It can be a measure of whether something is effective. It’s not a 1:1 comparison of whether or not something is actually good, but you can measure how effective something is at retaining viewers.

Big disagree they are producing better content. When you take things in isolation (I can’t stomach watching full shows), a lot of what the WWE produces is actually better than AEW. They just have the good vibes. A good match in WWE is better than a good match in AEW, and promos largely suck across the board. But a Paul Heyman promo is going to put anything in AEW, except for maybe MJF on ice. And the shows are sometimes even more logical in WWE, which is weird and uncomfortable to say.

[xrodmuc316]

I would say that giving bryan a title shot right away would undermine their ranking system, but they haven't really utilized that effectively in the first place.

I would argue Bryan is the biggest star they have ever, and probably will ever sign. All that he shouldn't just walk in a get a title shot is bullshit too, because they literally did exactly that with Ruby Soho. Yes she had to win a battle royal, but if anybody thinks Bryan has to prove himself, well I would say they have no knowledge of professional wrestling history.

The guy is a 2 time Wrestlemania Main Eventer, which is the total number of WM Main Eventers the ENTIRE AEW roster has, and those go back to 2000 and 2002 with Big Show and Jericho.

[Sepholio]

NXT rating up 28%.

TPWW Thursday Night Watch-along rating up 200%.

The numbers don’t lie.

...We should start our own rasslin promotion tbh.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I would argue Bryan is the biggest star they have ever, and probably will ever sign. All that he shouldn't just walk in a get a title shot is bullshit too, because they literally did exactly that with Ruby Soho. Yes she had to win a battle royal, but if anybody thinks Bryan has to prove himself, well I would say they have no knowledge of professional wrestling history.

The guy is a 2 time Wrestlemania Main Eventer, which is the total number of WM Main Eventers the ENTIRE AEW roster has, and those go back to 2000 and 2002 with Big Show and Jericho.

Lol, right? What did Ruby Soho do anywhere that qualifies her for a title shot that Danielson hasn’t? Soho won a staggered Battle Royal with an advantage over all her competition without even the publicly known pedigree of a successful run elsewhere.

But it’s totally illogical for Bryan Danielson — six-time World fucking Champion and probably former #1 on their exonerated PWI Top 200 several times — to get a title shot against the guy he is having an alleged “dream match” with anyway.

Hogwash. I actually think they will do an angle to make it a title match on the show, because it’s just ludicrous to not.