All Elite Wrestling

[xrodmuc316]

This is CLEARLY a guy who doesn't care if somebody talks about CM Punk, TOTALLY not having a meltdown at all!

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[#1-norm-fan]

We were having a private conversation via rep but if you wanna go all petty and make it public!

[xrodmuc316]

We were having a private conversation via rep but if you wanna go all petty and make it public!

A private conversation where you just insult me over and over again? Yeah, I am petty.

[#1-norm-fan]

You didn’t answer that last question, by the way. I think I hit on something.

[xrodmuc316]

You didn’t answer that last question, by the way. I think I hit on something.

I think it would have been illegal for Punk to bang the girls I went to high school with, statutory wise.

[Bad News Gertner]

Lol this thread is still going

[#1-norm-fan]

I think it would have been illegal for Punk to bang the girls I went to high school with, statutory wise.

Wait, how old are you??

[Fignuts]

xrod, what are you gonna do about Wardlow betraying you?

Also, whats Rosie O'donnel like?

[Jordan]

Tony does come off like a little weirdo but he just booked one of the best PPV's ever and that's not the first time that's been said. Nobody is perfect, he's doing great.

[#1-norm-fan]

Tony is doing very well for such a socially awkward motherfucker.

[Fignuts]

I dunno Im pretty sure that was Austin Areis' first gimmick, and we've seen how that panned out.

[drave]

Socially Awkward Motherfucking Gang RISE UP!!!!!




*rises alone*




oh....






*sits back down*




just gonna leave now. I have the biggest sad.

[Mr. Nerfect]

This is CLEARLY a guy who doesn't care if somebody talks about CM Punk, TOTALLY not having a meltdown at all!

https://i.imgflip.com/67toq1.jpg

Lol, holy shit. #fan fell off the cliff as a poster a long time ago, I knew that. Honestly, you put him on ignore and you don’t miss ANYTHING. He adds no insight into any discussion more. But I had no clue he had gone that fucking obsessive and defensive about this silly little wrestling company that makes grown men cry with its frivolous content.

You described what Punk said accurately, lol. The bit that jumped out to me was the guy randomly bringing up Goldberg while gushing about Bret Hart. Would Punk have even met Goldberg?

And all this when we know — even avid AEW avenger Dave Meltzer has admitted this — Punk turned them down and tried to get back into the WWE when this thing was first announced.

Actually watching and listening to those clips of Punk with TK sitting there…for some reason…is fucking creepy as hell. This company has got the same vibes as actual cults.

[Splaya]

Lol, holy shit. #fan fell off the cliff as a poster a long time ago, I knew that. Honestly, you put him on ignore and you don’t miss ANYTHING. He adds no insight into any discussion more. But I had no clue he had gone that fucking obsessive and defensive about this silly little wrestling company that makes grown men cry with its frivolous content.

You described what Punk said accurately, lol. The bit that jumped out to me was the guy randomly bringing up Goldberg while gushing about Bret Hart. Would Punk have even met Goldberg?

And all this when we know — even avid AEW avenger Dave Meltzer has admitted this — Punk turned them down and tried to get back into the WWE when this thing was first announced.

Actually watching and listening to those clips of Punk with TK sitting there…for some reason…is fucking creepy as hell. This company has got the same vibes as actual cults.

All these reps are basically stalkerish...is there a TPWW restraining order possibility?

[#1-norm-fan]

It was a back and forth conversation. I didn’t post xrod’s side. Bad form.

[#1-norm-fan]

Noid still trying to get his heat back despite “having me on ignore”. I really did a number on that dipshit the last time I called him out on his bullshit and he tried the “YOU CAN’T FIRE ME, I QUIT!” method.

[ron the dial]

This company has got the same vibes as actual cults.
:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

It was a back and forth conversation. I didn’t post xrod’s side. Bad form.

Such a fucking heel.

[Wehttam]

post the other side

[Mr. Nerfect]

All these reps are basically stalkerish...is there a TPWW restraining order possibility?

I just put him on ignore. Honestly, best thing to do to the stalkers. I’m sorry if me not giving him attention meant other people had to deal with his needy little ways. But reasoning with the guy is futile. He acts like that’s what he’s here for — he’s honestly just looking for people to engage in his processes with: Target, gaslight, validate self. He’ll make no good points, always claim to win, try to make himself look clever and heroic in the process.

I’m not going to waste my time reading his posts, but I would be SHOCKED if a single one actually addressed the content being discussed. I bet you they’re all focused on xrod and trying to make it about his personality. Has he said anything about what CM Punk actually said?

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

for the record that is clearly a two-way convo.

[GD]

Noid has put most of the active wrestling forum posters on ignore. It doesn't mean as much anymore.

[#1-norm-fan]

Lol Noid hasn’t put anyone on ignore. He just wants to constantly claim to have people on ignore. It’s an obvious awkward flex but it’s less embarrassing than having to dig out of holes when people call call him out for say dumb shit so often.

[weather vane]

If you think Noid has anybody on ignore, you are a lunatic.

[GD]

Of course. Last year when I made him believe that The Rock made an appearance at Survivor Series :roll:

OMG! It's The Rock :eek: Holy shit!

IF YA SMELLLLLLLLLLLLLALALALALALALA

No fucking way! Only WWE would align someone like The Rock with the heel champion. What a terrible booking decision :nono:

Can't believe they had The Rock come back and turn heel in an instant. What the hell WWE?

Is anybody else weirded out by The Rock's facial hair? A very odd decision indeed.

honestly a horrible show

They made The Rock look like a jabroni.

Only the IWC would get The Rock back and complain about it.

[GD]

He didn't make any appearances in any way, whatsoever.

This is beautiful.

Only Noid would make up a scenario that didn’t happen and complain about it.

If you actually watched it, you'd understand. I get the 25 year thing, but it could have simply been on RAW, or you know, the show they named after him.....


But instead, they teased for 3.5 hours at a possibility of him even being on-screen. It is easy to see why people feel misled.


Buuuuuuuuuut, you didn't watch it and believed a post here that he showed up, so why am I even bothering.

I’m responding to poorly phrased posts on here acting like The Rock was coming back, apologist. Blame the poor quality of TPWW. I didn’t even watch the show and would have placed money on him not coming back. :roll:

This is precious. I’m just happy that Noid reads my posts and pretends that he doesn’t.

Noid: lol you guys complain even when getting the rock back!

*finds out the rock didn’t show up, outing himself as an idiot who decided to make a matter of fact statement without bother to reading the results *

Also noid: haha you see i knew he wouldn’t be there but because i was responding to a poorly written post, it LOOKS like I was saying he came back but really I was saying something completely different.

Brilliant series of responses from the guy who clearly didn’t even read results before shooting off nonsense.

Nor does it surprise me that TPWW was going for it.

bitch you went for it based on tpww. how fucking dumb are you?

Yeah, because I’m not wasting my time on the show. I got wrong information from the deadest forum in the IWC. Whoops, shame on me. :lol:

It’s not like this place wouldn’t complain if The Rock came back either. So I’m not feeling any sort of shame or regret for assuming that TPWW is the embarrassment here. Soz, bitch.

[GD]

Classic stuff

And only on TPWW can you have people blast an entire show and then try to make you look like an idiot for not watching it because you didn’t think you’d enjoy it. :lol:

It was probably better than Full Gear, but wrestling has done so much to numb my interest that I’m going to take some accounts of events second-hand. I’m not a fucking journalist, cunts. I like talking shit about something I used to enjoy on the internet.

And those desperate enough to try and catch me in some “Gotcha!” can keep kicking that stone uphill.

Dude, it’s not like I was even like “zomg! the Rock is back!!!” I saw people whinging on here and thought “lol, typical.” I’m so disengaged with this shit that I didn’t even check the highlights and I doubt The Rock could make me (not that it’s his fault).

It was bemusement at this place, and yes, that does say way more about you than it does about me. ;)

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[Bad News Gertner]

Wow! Gotta agree with xrod and Noid here.

[GD]

:rofl:

[Destor]

if fan doesnt post xrods side i will only assume he was being kind and complimentary

[Destor]

INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Fan is only mean when he has to be. Norman Smiley had it coming.

[rez]

lol

[Mr. Nerfect]

Wow! Gotta agree with xrod and Noid here.

This is the right side of history.

[Mr. Nerfect]

If you think Noid has anybody on ignore, you are a lunatic.

Lol, I read this and on my screen I can only see you and Gerty.

[GD]

Lol, I read this and on my screen I can only see you and Gerty.

Noid has put most of the active wrestling forum posters on ignore. It doesn't mean as much anymore.


:rofl:

[xrodmuc316]

:rofl:

Bro are you laughing at your own joke??? :rofl:

[GD]

Bro are you laughing at your own joke??? :rofl:

https://i.imgflip.com/67kd6t.jpg

[xrodmuc316]

https://i.imgflip.com/67kd6t.jpg

Damnit, you got me again. GD got me laughing twice! :rofl:

[drave]

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rof l::rofl:

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Brock Lesnar Fan guy with a completely authentic reaction there. <a href="https://t.co/T9stydVlBm">https://t.co/T9stydVlBm</a></p>&mdash; SoDuTw (@SoDuTw) <a href="https://twitter.com/SoDuTw/status/1501604396001644544?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 9, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Lock Jaw]

Why did that need to be double posted in the AEW thread?

[xrodmuc316]

https://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/2022/03/jim-ross-on-wwe-removing-his-sound-bites-from-undertaker-footage/

Ross spoke about WWE removing his audio from the clip and why he was upset, given that he never left the company high and dry to deserve that.

“What really matters is how many JR soundbites has been in any of these packages,” Ross said, jokingly about WWE removing him from the audio. “Is the wrestling war that volatile that the guy that was the soundtrack of the biggest moments in Undertaker’s career is eliminated? Is that authentic or is it just being selfish or vindictive? It’s not like I walked out of [WWE].

Yeah, WWE is doing that for no reason, its not like Jim Ross hasn't been shit talking them for 3 years or anything...

Can I get a https://i.imgflip.com/67kd6t.jpg

[Jordan]

XROD GET OFF WWE'S DICK THIS ISN'T WAY TO ENJOY A HOBBY. AND YOU'RE UPSETTING PEOPLE!!

[Mr. Nerfect]

If you wanted your work preserved and promoted by the company, maybe you shouldn’t have taken a job with the peoole that could have potentially been a threat?

[xrodmuc316]

XROD GET OFF WWE'S DICK THIS ISN'T WAY TO ENJOY A HOBBY. AND YOU'RE UPSETTING PEOPLE!!

Nobody BUT JR said anything about WWE. It is stupid for WWE to remove his commentary, but for JR to pretend it is just because he works for AEW is dumb. They did it because he is a bitter ahole who takes every shot he can at them, then wants to play the victim.

[slik]

oh...meant to post a tweet that miro had re-signed for 4 years lol

[xrodmuc316]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Brock Lesnar Fan guy with a completely authentic reaction there. <a href="https://t.co/T9stydVlBm">https://t.co/T9stydVlBm</a></p>&mdash; SoDuTw (@SoDuTw) <a href="https://twitter.com/SoDuTw/status/1501604396001644544?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 9, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I hate that guy. How has he been wearing the same shirt and making the same face for 10 damn years?

[BigCrippyZ]

I hate that guy. How has he been wearing the same shirt and making the same face for 10 damn years?

I think I saw something where he posted to Reddit or some social media not long after he was on TV for Lesnar's return, and he said he'd bought like two dozen of those shirts so he could always have enough to wear them to events to become part of the show and industry.

[screech]

Didn't that guy also get mad because he went to some event WM weekend and didn't get recognized/given special treatment?

[ron the dial]

i stood next to him at aew fanfest back in september and he's just a little guy. dunno why i thought he was bigger.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Fightful has learned that there have been inquiries about licensing the Hardy Boyz theme that is most synonymous with the duo. The song &quot;Loaded&quot; isn't actually owned by WWE, despite it being used for over two decades for Matt and Jeff Hardy.<a href="https://twitter.com/FightfulSelect?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@FightfulSelect</a> <a href="https://t.co/Kk3h6O5Zw1">pic.twitter.com/Kk3h6O5Zw1</a></p>&mdash; Macho Beard™ (@Machobeard4life) <a href="https://twitter.com/Machobeard4life/status/1501680150236250112?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 9, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Fightful Select has learned that AEW has re-signed Miro to a four-year extension, that will keep him with the company until at least the start of 2026. <a href="https://twitter.com/FightfulSelect?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@FightfulSelect</a> <a href="https://t.co/FWoVK80IaU">pic.twitter.com/FWoVK80IaU</a></p>&mdash; Macho Beard™ (@Machobeard4life) <a href="https://twitter.com/Machobeard4life/status/1501624846849032195?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 9, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Lock Jaw]

Is Miro even still on TV or did they make him lose to that punk Samy Guevara and then just completely toss him aside for all their new signings?

[ron the dial]

i know he was out to start to heal up injuries, but not sure what he's doing atm.

[Lock Jaw]

not sure what he's doing atm.

I think her name in WWE was Lana

[ron the dial]

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Destor]

this has nothing to do with anything JR said its about having the voice of the rival brand being promoted on your tv.

[Destor]

and to be clear it would be far far worse if it were some petty "and you said bad stuff about me" nonsense

[Mr. Nerfect]

this has nothing to do with anything JR said its about having the voice of the rival brand being promoted on your tv.

Yeah I agree with that.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It’s official! <a href="https://twitter.com/paigevanzant?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@paigevanzant</a> is ALL ELITE!<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> on <a href="https://twitter.com/TBSNetwork?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TBSNetwork</a> <a href="https://t.co/H6nzlCkBSg">pic.twitter.com/H6nzlCkBSg</a></p>&mdash; Tony Khan (@TonyKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1501759643235889155?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 10, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Jordan]

I sure hope they have a plan for Miro.

[Evil Vito]

Miro vs. Hangman would be a barnburner

[Sting Fan]

Miro vs. Hangman would be a barnburner

I really want this to be a thing but I also dont want Miro to lose that feud. I think Hangmans run has more to offer yet.

I'm pretty cold on a continuation of the war of Adams though tbh...

[Mr. Nerfect]

You can just send Adam Page away for a couple of months while you build up Miro, then pretend it was long-term storytelling.

[Evil Vito]

Oh man....apparently Regal's line on Dynamite about not being long for this world wasn't him trying to be overdramatic. He's planning on publicly discussing his health issues for the first time on Jericho's pod.

No sense in speculating on the severity until hearing from the man himself but it's gonna make me appreciate the hell out of him even more while he's still around.

[GD]

Fuck :(

[Evil Vito]

And now Regal's refuted the severity, so hell yeah. Looking forward to hearing that interview.

[XL]

I figured he was just saying “look, I’ve put my body through hell with a long career in wrestling and a drug addiction. I’d be surprised if I’ve got more than 12 years left on the clock”.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I haven’t heard the promo, but Regal’s been doing the “I’ve been a naughty boy” thing since he’s been a revered babyface. I wouldn’t have looked too far into it beyond that, other than he might be feeling the toll on his body — combined with years of working a physical style. He would obviously legitimately warn others against his lifestyle, even though on the surface he’s come out kind of smelling of roses.

Going to his mortality is a bit…dark though. I don’t want a fucking doomsday clock put on a manager on a wrestling program.

[GD]

I haven’t heard the promo lol

[RP]

Nutted immediately



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[Vastardikai]

So, allegedly some anonymous Higher Up in WarnerMedia doesn't want AEW to sign the Briscoes. A lot of the marks think it has to do with prior remarks Jay Briscoe made in reference to gay people.

Honestly, I think a joke I made on my Booking thread is a more likely scenario.

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I mean, that is just the thing you'd want to see on Prime Time Television, isn't it? And I like their wrestling.

[Sepholio]

lol incredible promo. Awesome energy.

[XL]

Though I’d stumbled into one of the backyard threads for a sec there.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Chris Jericho insulted a fan on Twitter because they said they think he missed a trick by not calling his group the Inner Circle 2.0. Jericho described himself as a genius. Some are going to say Jericho’s in character, but I think it’s more than evident how sensitive Jericho is and how bad his Twitter game is.

[Mr. Nerfect]

They obviously wouldn’t swear if they were signed to a major national company.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Dax of FTR has said on Twitter that he would go back to the WWE if the money and circumstances were right and he’s not happy with how his AEW run has gone thus far. Everyone’s just working, right?

[XL]

Not quite. He said he wasn’t “satisfied” with the AEW run, which if you’re aiming to be a “Top Guy”, that’s not rare. There’s little to that “going back to WWE” thing either, because the chances of the circumstances being right for a tag team are going to be slim at best.

[xrodmuc316]

Not quite. He said he wasn’t “satisfied” with the AEW run, which if you’re aiming to be a “Top Guy”, that’s not rare. There’s little to that “going back to WWE” thing either, because the chances of the circumstances being right for a tag team are going to be slim at best.

Or they really believed the push Triple H gave them was real, that they are THAT much better than any other tag team.

Yes, they are very solid in the ring, but if they actually thought they were going to get booked better than the Bucks by the Bucks booking, they are truly delusion.

[Bad News Gertner]

So when is the Scott Hall tribute show on AEW

[erickman]

i would say wed and impact will have theres on thur, who does cody hall wrestle for is he still with new japan?

[Sepholio]

ummmmm I don't think he is wrestling atm. Last I heard he was going to MLW in 2020 but then they quietly cut ties with him pretty quickly and I don't think he went back to DDT or NOAH in Japan.

[Sepholio]

He wouldn't be a terrible guy for AEW to sign actually. Former bullet club member so he def knows people there and he's a hoss that they don't have at 6'10". Think he's like 30ish so they could get a few years out of him if they wanted to. Might be a good fit.

[Sepholio]

AEW or Impact really

[Bad News Gertner]

I've never heard a good word said about Cody Hall lol. There's a reason why nobody wants him.

This Janela tweet says it all


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dude you’re 28, 6’9 and the son of Scott Hall and you’re not signed anywhere nor get any notable independent dates.... <br>Get your fucking act together Chico...</p>&mdash; “The Bad Boy” Joey Janela (@JANELABABY) <a href="https://twitter.com/JANELABABY/status/1143688432499200001?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 26, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[erickman]

I've never heard a good word said about Cody Hall lol. There's a reason why nobody wants him.

This Janela tweet says it all


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dude you’re 28, 6’9 and the son of Scott Hall and you’re not signed anywhere nor get any notable independent dates.... <br>Get your fucking act together Chico...</p>&mdash; “The Bad Boy” Joey Janela (@JANELABABY) <a href="https://twitter.com/JANELABABY/status/1143688432499200001?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 26, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
so he is another dave flair

[xrodmuc316]

so he is another dave flair

Naw man, David Flair never looked like a wrestler. If anything he was another Erik Watts where he looks like it should work, but just doesnt.

[Bad News Gertner]

Cody Hall was a giant stupid asshole. That's why he's not wrestling anywhere.

[Sepholio]

lol I didn't realize what a shithead he is. And apparently he's a dangerously stiff worker too.

[slik]

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[Sepholio]

lmao he is so into the gimmick and I love it. Danhausen should have all the titles as soon as he's cleared. ALL of them. And he really needs to get a blimp entrance one day.

[screech]

The only things I've ever heard about Cody Hall are not good. Sloppy and stiff in the ring, doesn't care to improve, trying to coast on being Scott's son, etc. I'm not shocked he's gotten nowhere.

[Jordan]

I had actually heard that Cody Hall was pretty good and had a lot of potential but that was from like DDP and other friends of Scott's if I recall. I know he had a gig in Japan, was it All Japan or Noah? Maybe somewhere else I don't know.

The stuff you guys are saying is actually the first bad rep I've heard about him, so I'm having trouble believing you guys. Most of the guys here are known as liars and socks! I am the real deal, Cody Hall is also the real deal.

It won't belong til AEW makes Cody Hall "ALL ELITE" and honor his father with a "THE BADDEST GUY IN AEW TOURNAMENT" where the winner gets awarded a trophy in the shape of a razor, painted in black and red!

4 life mother fuckers!

[Evil Vito]

Cody Hall was in NJPW in Bullet Club. He was an oaf.

[screech]

Jordan is about to go ALL IN with this and make Cody Hall his avatar.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The bad things I’ve heard about Cody Hall have all been personality related.

[Jordan]

It won't belong!

[ron the dial]

https://64.media.tumblr.com/526512bf70b3999abb422f5340099f78/tumblr_p64zlp1qWA1s24yedo1_400.gifv

[Jordan]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d5/7a/1c/d57a1c5f885cc8d08718c13debdfc05d.gif

[Evil Vito]

Joey Janela confirms that he will not be re-signing with AEW when his contract is up in May.

Joey's been a victim of AEW's success in a lot of ways - he was a big name indie guy when, outside of the top tier, that was what AEW had to offer. The number of big names and ex-WWE stars that they've been able to sign since means that he doesn't stand out as much, and while he could have a decent role as an undercard mook, it's not really playing to his strengths.

He has a really unique skillset in terms of putting together wild, modern hardcore indie matches with unlikely opponents - the matches he's had with the likes of Marty Jannetty and Ricky Morton have been brilliant. It would have been great to see him given a kind of "disrespectful youth" run in AEW to have those matches against legends, but he's likely better served continuing to do it on the indies.

[XL]

Maybe he can…Control His Narrative.

[weather vane]

Joey Janela confirms that he will not be re-signing with AEW when his contract is up in May.

Joey's been a victim of AEW's success in a lot of ways - he was a big name indie guy when, outside of the top tier, that was what AEW had to offer. The number of big names and ex-WWE stars that they've been able to sign since means that he doesn't stand out as much, and while he could have a decent role as an undercard mook, it's not really playing to his strengths.

He has a really unique skillset in terms of putting together wild, modern hardcore indie matches with unlikely opponents - the matches he's had with the likes of Marty Jannetty and Ricky Morton have been brilliant. It would have been great to see him given a kind of "disrespectful youth" run in AEW to have those matches against legends, but he's likely better served continuing to do it on the indies.

Yeah I would of liked that for him, would of gave him something interesting to do. Bring in some legends that can still go. He will be fine doing his own thing though.

[xrodmuc316]

Remember when AEW people used to brag about how they weren't just going to hire a bunch of WWE guys and they would be real selective?

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[XL]

They’ve hired (by my count) about 17 people from the over 100 personnel that were released in 2021-22.

[fundiddle]

Remember when AEW people used to brag about how they weren't just going to hire a bunch of WWE guys and they would be real selective?

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
i'm doing this for the poor rofl smiley, which has finally had enough of you



xrodmuc backwards is cumdorx, and it always will be!
:rofl:

[Mr. Nerfect]

Dave Meltzer’s going to bat for AEW again. In order to spread propaganda that this thing is growing, Dave has used a bunch of weird metrics.

* A 17% increase in PPV. Yeah, from horseshit to dogshit. Adding Danielson and Punk has gotten you 10k more buys globally or whatever. Their domestic numbers still pale in comparison to ECW’s domestic number running 6 PPVs a year with 24 WWF and WCW PPVs also flooding the market.

* Their rating is up year-to-year. Yeah, without NXT there splitting the wrestling audience.

* They just sold out the Forum! Quickest sellout in history! It’s their first time running the place in an age where people can buy tickets on their cellphone.

* First $1 million gate! Cool? You sellout a first-run venue and charge a lot for tickets this is doable.

Fuck this guy has gone off the deep end. If you like AEW…fine. I’ll accuse you of bad taste, but that’s allowed. That’s not enough though. We’ve got to distort, or flat-out lie, about how good it’s doing. Dave’s this close to creating fictional companies that never existed and comparing their numbers (set at 0) to AEW.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol, apparently this was in response to fans getting their backs up against Bischoff’s comments that they aren’t very good at telling stories (true). Someone posted a collage of their favorite AEW stories:

* Cody vs. MJF. If I recall, this was badly explained on TV. The Cody/Max relationship was brought up a couple of times, then MJF just randomly turned heel on Cody and they never touched again.

* Mox vs. Eddie Kingston. Yeah, nah. They went from being friends to enemies to friends again and now they don’t even interact. Wasn’t it based on “You used to be hardcore!” Cool.

* Page vs. Omega. Fucking shit. Page was a fucking loser, this derailed him, then they forced it down throats and even had to give Page time off to come back and get a big pop. Now he’s a flailing champion.

* MJF vs. Punk. Easily their best, but there are still flaws in it. MJF’s pretend face turn was placed in a weird position, and many people didn’t buy Punk falling for such an obvious ploy. Some feel it was too much blood. There are “issues” with this.

AEW’s ability to tell stories is one of their more overrated “qualities.” A lot of the time nothing happens, things are dropped or the context of a story is just weak. Look at everything Adam Cole has done since coming. Look at Danielson’s stuff. Punk’s stuff outside the MJF program has been, what? He bumps into Eddie Kingston? He gets attacked by someone and is mad?

They rely on tropes like anyone else who gets slammed. And it’s usually a big fuss for nothing. It’s not just Eric Bischoff that thinks this. Variety did an article where people enjoyed WWE’s storytelling a lot more (by quite a margin, if I recall). Sometimes you just have to accept something and admit your preference is subjective bias. And sometimes if you want to get better at telling stories, you’ve got to actually listen to and accept criticism, instead of just saying “No, we are awesome!” and making the same mistakes over and over.

[weather vane]

Hahahaha he is a cum dork too. Wow. Mind blown.

[ron the dial]

hey cum dork you gotta get cumdorx tattooed on your forehead like lars frederiksen's skunx tattoo

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/dc/15/aa/dc15aa4c12d9c54c3a5dfb5d64481525.jpg

[Fignuts]

Wwe is better at telling stories when they do it right. The problem is at any given time, there is only one great storyline going at a time. Everything else is solid at best, but usually feels plastic, souless, and devoid of any emotion.

As good as WWE's stuff is when they really try, Id rather watch a show where every feud has some real heat to it, even if its flawed. Its more fun to me to watch someone try and fail rather than watch someone not try at all.

[ron the dial]

https://i.imgur.com/YrLqywS.png

[Destor]

They’ve hired (by my count) about 17 people from the over 100 personnel that were released in 2021-22.17 is more than can be reasonably pushed at anyone time to any meaningful result

[#1-norm-fan]

* Cody vs. MJF. If I recall, this was badly explained on TV. The Cody/Max relationship was brought up a couple of times, then MJF just randomly turned heel on Cody and they never touched again.

They never touched again. Lol

Am I misremembering the fact that they had a relatively long feud following the turn that ended with MJF beating Cody or is dumb fuck choosing his preferred version of reality to bitch about again?

[XL]

That is a superb point.

[#1-norm-fan]

Why does everyone need to be pushed?

[Destor]

they dont. infact its impossible to push someone without it at the expense of others. my point is if you bring in 17 guys in order to get your money back it has to be at the expense of the talent you had on hand prior.

[Destor]

or you can use the name talent to build the preexisting talent. theyve done a bit of both but more of the former than the later.

[Destor]

which is to say AEW has absolutely brought in a ton of wwe cast offs contrary to their alleged motives operandi

[Destor]

and they were right to do so. their claim they wouldnt was grandstanding. it was the pomeranian barking at the pitbull. their success has dwarfed their expectations. when they said what they said they didnt think theyd have the option to get the talent theyve gotten. it was very easy to say it.

[Destor]

but lets be real. it was always bullshit even before it became false in hindsight

[Fignuts]

I dont think anyone would argue that AEW's roster is bloated due to all the signings, but they kinda had to, or else theyd have to keep putting people like Luthor, Janela, and the librarian on tv.

[Destor]

they absolutely made the right choice. they shouldn't be faulted for it. its not like the wwe wouldnt steal a top talent whos contract is up from them given the chance (and promptly bury them.) but its fair to point to their PR statements and call bull shit too.

[Destor]

if they had backed the talent they had out of the gate theyd have never grown beyond 400k weekly viewers

[xrodmuc316]

* A 17% increase in PPV.

And all it took was quintupling their budget :rofl:

[Mr. Nerfect]

And all it took was quintupling their budget :rofl:

17% when you get to AEW low numbers isn’t even that impressive. It’s about 17k buys worldwide.

[Mr. Nerfect]

AEW should have absolutely gone after top talent. I would have expected even more to go had the promotion not been a mess earlier (think there’s a real chance they could have gotten Orton and Styles, for example). But they shouldn’t have said they weren’t going to. You’re right calling it grandstanding.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Application for Willy Regal to slap Danhausen into his exclusive wrestling club. ~ the demon wafer (Danhausen) <a href="https://t.co/uJr0rjj2Uz">pic.twitter.com/uJr0rjj2Uz</a></p>&mdash; Danhausen (@DanhausenAD) <a href="https://twitter.com/DanhausenAD/status/1504486050000891914?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 17, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Fignuts]

I like Danhausen as a youtube personality, but I dont need to see him putting curses on people in an actual wrestling show.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I like Danhausen as a youtube personality, but I dont need to see him putting curses on people in an actual wrestling show.

Bingo.

[Sting Fan]

I like Danhausen as a youtube personality, but I dont need to see him putting curses on people in an actual wrestling show.

I agree, wrestling should be serious and there just isn’t room for that sort of carry on. What next, some kind of “deadman” competing and winning titles maybe. Ridiculous. :shifty:

[Destor]

his ginmick was ridiculous. his character was serious

[#1-norm-fan]

I love Danhausen. That’s my only thought on the matter at the moment.

[#1-norm-fan]

his ginmick was ridiculous. his character was serious

There’s also something to be said about this. Subtlety is a wonderful thing sometimes.

Other times, straight ridiculousness reigns supreme.

[ron the dial]

i don't mind how danhausen and his cursing have been used so far. now if he's using curses to win titles... we can talk then.

[#1-norm-fan]

i don't mind how danhausen and his cursing have been used so far. now if he's using curses to win titles... we can talk then.

There’s also something to be said about his curses not being ACTUAL curses but still being effective.

[Mr. Nerfect]

i don't mind how danhausen and his cursing have been used so far. now if he's using curses to win titles... we can talk then.

This sliding scale is used to justify everything. At least Orange Cassidy isn’t in main events. At least The Dark Order aren’t in main events. At least Brodie Lee’s kid is a one-off thing. They all invariably turn out to be false. They creep up there.

When something is stupid, it just doesn’t belong in the program period. I don’t know where this “at least it’s only in this spot” justification for nonsense comes from.

[ron the dial]

i've never said that about anyone other than danhausen. take it up with someone else.

[Lock Jaw]

I like Danhausen as a youtube personality, but I dont need to see him putting curses on people in an actual wrestling show.

Watched a few of his YouTube things to see what all the "hubbub" was about, and I can't even give him that one.

[#1-norm-fan]

That’s funny because part of his gimmick is “Won’t somebody think of the children”.

[ron the dial]

he may be into curses, but he's not into cursing!

[#1-norm-fan]

He’s very nice. Very evil.

[#1-norm-fan]

And all it took was quintupling their budget :rofl:

Fuck what their books look like. I’m just trying to be entertained.

How about that time MJF randomly turned on Cody and they never touched again in Noid’s imagination? How shitty was THAT storytelling!?!? LOL FUCKING TONY KHAN.

[GD]

Fuck what their books look like. I’m just trying to be entertained.

How about that time MJF randomly turned on Cody and they never touched again in Noid’s imagination? How shitty was THAT storytelling!?!? LOL FUCKING TONY KHAN.

If only Noid hadn't blocked a majority of the wrestling forum :roll:

He's more or less happy in his echo chamber like a frog who's never seen the outside of his mother's basement.

[Sting Fan]

his ginmick was ridiculous. his character was serious

I think the line we seem to draw on seriousness in wrestling is bizzare thats all. Deadman (and all that entails) legend of the business, silly guy pretending to put a curse on someone is too far though.

Maybe Danhausen needs to shoot lighting from his hands when he curses and have a 19 min intro that includes him taking off a hat while someone swings on the dimmer switch.

This sub eating up the Fiend with a spoon is another example of the silliness we will accept from more recent times.

[ron the dial]

these are silly comparisons, really. taker and bray were meant to taken seriously and presented themselves as such even at the most ridiculous. danhausen is meant to be comedy and plays it that way and it is inherently ridiculous. i understand not everyone likes comedy in their wrestling. i think it has its place. but yeah different games being played by these guys.

[Destor]

yeah he's a comedy gimmick. anyone he goes over is humiliated. they lost to a joke. should he win a title? no. he shouldn win a match let alone a title.

[Sting Fan]

I have no issue with him being billed as comedy, whether he should win a match or not is probably another conversation. If the fans cheer for it theres probably a will and a way he should win at least on occasion.

Personally I have a far easier time with Danhausen as an out and out comedy act in the show than I do with taking The Fiend seriously.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I have no issue with him being billed as comedy, whether he should win a match or not is probably another conversation. If the fans cheer for it theres probably a will and a way he should win at least on occasion.

Personally I have a far easier time with Danhausen as an out and out comedy act in the show than I do with taking The Fiend seriously.

Here’s an idea: They both suck.

[Sepholio]

Here's a better idea: They both rule and Noid is a jabroni.

[Fignuts]

I liked the idea of the fiend. A sunshine and rainbows guy with a split personality thats a psycho killer. But they made it dumb by throwing in all the magical teleportation and possession crap.

[Splaya]

It had the potential to be such a great angle/character and Windham was the right guy for the character.

If Windham had been 6'4 and 300 lbs of jacked muscle as a horror character, he would have all the titles in WWE right now.

[XL]

Like Kane did?

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AEW Double or Nothing is now the largest non-WWE gate in North American history with close to 13,000 tickets sold and over $1,100,000 in revenue</p>&mdash; Samster203 サミー・カラフ (@KhalafSammy) <a href="https://twitter.com/KhalafSammy/status/1504878297875943425?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 18, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Destor]

im certain if you adjusted for inflation theyd be dwarffed by any major show pre 00

[fundiddle]

https://i.imgur.com/YrLqywS.png

can we all make a concerted effort to quote this as needed/often as possible? thank you


I liked the idea of the fiend. A sunshine and rainbows guy with a split personality thats a psycho killer. But they made it dumb by throwing in all the magical teleportation and possession crap.
It had the potential to be such a great angle/character and Windham was the right guy for the character.

i think the high production value made it corny and shitty. the character could have thrived in a different company back in the 90s (not to mention the material would be more relevant), or perhaps a different dimension altogether


I like Danhausen as a youtube personality, but I dont need to see him putting curses on people in an actual wrestling show.

the way i perceived him before i ever saw him on aew, i liked him. the way they have presented him is confounding to say the least. bringing a guy in who is injured has a lot of potential if they are expected to heal properly, brian pillman was so amazing to see in the wwf before he got back in the ring at least, but wwf made him look great and preserved his aura that he'd already established before in a mid-90s pg wwf period, which is just as relevant as say a goldust or a steve austin coming up at that time... tamer than it could be, yet captivating. regardless -- love that danhausen!

[Sting Fan]

Here's a better idea: They both rule and Noid is a jabroni.

It’s really not till you put Noid on ignore that you notice how much he posts back to back.

Him and xcummer on ignore and there’s almost entire pages of threads I just don’t read. Frankly it’s brilliant.

[Sting Fan]

Reality in wrestlings a great topic with Brocks apparent attempted murder on Smackdown tonight.

I find that sort of stuff takes me out of the believability of it all more than say Danhausen who may or may not be cursing someone.

Not to restart the argument and I’m fully open to it being the lens I watch through but I just always found the vehicular manslaughter stuff in WWE and WCW made me embarrassed to watch.

The irony of me posting back to back is not lost on me

[Fignuts]

I used to make

[Fignuts]

Quadruple posts

[Fignuts]

Because I

[Fignuts]

dont give a fuuuuuuuuuuck

Wooooooooooo

[Mr. Nerfect]

There’s nothing wrong with posting back to back. There is, however, something wrong with thinking AEW does great numbers.

[xrodmuc316]

i think the high production value made it corny and shitty. the character could have thrived in a different company back in the 90s (not to mention the material would be more relevant), or perhaps a different dimension altogether



The Fiend's Summerslam was flawless, so much so that it created WAY too much praise and buzz to fly under Vince's radar. Vince had to insert his hooky spin on it, and ruined it.

[xrodmuc316]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AEW Double or Nothing is now the largest non-WWE gate in North American history with close to 13,000 tickets sold and over $1,100,000 in revenue</p>&mdash; Samster203 サミー・カラフ (@KhalafSammy) <a href="https://twitter.com/KhalafSammy/status/1504878297875943425?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 18, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

So? That means literally nothing. They did better than a bunch of wrestling companies that went out of business.

[Vastardikai]

So? That means literally nothing. They did better than a bunch of wrestling companies that went out of business.

Next question: How many tickets were bought by Tony himself?

[xrodmuc316]

Adam Sandler's movie Big Daddy is the highest grossing live action film of all time other than non-Adam Sandler movies.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Succeeding where others couldn’t. That means absolutely nothing folks.

[#1-norm-fan]

Adam Sandler's movie Big Daddy is the highest grossing live action film of all time other than non-Adam Sandler movies.

Lol What an awful analogy.

[Sepholio]

lol it's a moot point entirely when you adjust for inflation.

I'm curious as to how much tickets cost to a WCW Nitro in 98, for instance, but haven't been able to find that info yet. There are several of those that gated more than AEWs number here when you adjust for inflation and that's not even taking into account what I imagine is a much cheaper ticket in the first place.

[#1-norm-fan]

You imagine WCW’s tickets being much cheaper even with inflation factored in?

[#1-norm-fan]

Because even if that’s true, it doesn’t really matter. They’re charging what people will pay. It’s not really a point against AEW if they make more by charging more because people are willing to pay more.

[Sepholio]

I'm not using it as a point against them. WTF? They can charge whatever they want as long as people are willing to pay, as you say. I'm just trying to add some context to the whole biggest gate besides WWE argument because there should be an asterisk next to that claim imo. WCW still easily holds that record when the adjustments are made.

[Sepholio]

Look I was a hardcore WCW mark back in those days tbh and ijs I will not stand for AEW trying to steal their Thunder!

:shifty:

[Destor]

Because even if that’s true, it doesn’t really matter. They’re charging what people will pay. It’s not really a point against AEW if they make more by charging more because people are willing to pay more.
what people are willing to pay is relative to their disposable income. the dollar has lost 42% of its value since 98. youre nearly paying double today what you would have paid at peak wcw for a ticket.



dollar figure sales arent a meaningful measuring stick without price adjustments. its apples to horses. its a bumper sticker brag.

[xrodmuc316]

Succeeding where others couldn’t. That means absolutely nothing folks.

No, they are doing slightly better than companies that went out of business, but pretending it is SUPER meaningful. They are qualifying it as only WWE has done better. But WWE has done multiple times better. AEW drawing a house of $50,000 more than a WCW show from 20+ years ago is supposed to be amazing why? Because only WWE has done more, but by Millions and Millions? $50,000 more is great, but lets just ignore WWE's actual numbers. Its all the same tiresome spun bullshit as always.

Lol What an awful analogy.

Purposefully, it is just as absurd to hype it up that way.

Serious question, why do they not just say "$1.1 Million is AEW's best gate ever"? A pure, simple fact with no spin. I would have read that and thought "solid gate, good for them" and would not have anything to complain about. Framing EVERYTHING as something to be a cheerleader about and #LFG'ing, all that extra bullshit, it invites dickheads like me who see through it to have something to take issue with.

It is no longer about them doing their best gate, it is about them not being able to ever just STFU and take a win.

[#1-norm-fan]

what people are willing to pay is relative to their disposable income. the dollar has lost 42% of its value since 98. youre nearly paying double today what you would have paid at peak wcw for a ticket.

dollar figure sales arent a meaningful measuring stick without price adjustments. its apples to horses. its a bumper sticker brag.

This is an inflation argument though, which is valid. Adjust for inflation and compare.

I’m just saying once you’ve done that, AEW charging more (after adjusting) doesn’t really matter, assuming that’s what Seph meant.

[Mr. Nerfect]

AEW fanboys do this with their live gates and their PPV buys. They talk about how AEW does more than anyone since WCW like that’s even a brag. You what? Beat TNA? But it’s also dishonest because the accessibility of PPV is way different now. And sycophants amalgamate their international buys with domestic. If you look at what AEW does in the US, they’re still trailing ECW. Never mind how many more heads per buy there was likely in the era of traditional PPV. But don’t let common sense get in the way of the story that this shit is magic.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Oh, and they do it with their international TV deals too. Maybe a Canadian can confirm, but from what I understand WWE is aired several times a week in Canada, which are slots that the network it’s on sells advertising for. I’ve also heard that it has an on demand presence. So the importance of live first runs is nowhere near as important as the AEW fanboys frame the one airing of Dynamite a week getting slightly more eyeballs than WWE make out. It isn’t like they’re winning a popularity contest or are more important to their network.

[drave]

No, they are doing slightly better than companies that went out of business, but pretending it is SUPER meaningful. They are qualifying it as only WWE has done better. But WWE has done multiple times better. AEW drawing a house of $50,000 more than a WCW show from 20+ years ago is supposed to be amazing why? Because only WWE has done more, but by Millions and Millions? $50,000 more is great, but lets just ignore WWE's actual numbers. Its all the same tiresome spun bullshit as always.



Purposefully, it is just as absurd to hype it up that way.

Serious question, why do they not just say "$1.1 Million is AEW's best gate ever"? A pure, simple fact with no spin. I would have read that and thought "solid gate, good for them" and would not have anything to complain about. Framing EVERYTHING as something to be a cheerleader about and #LFG'ing, all that extra bullshit, it invites dickheads like me who see through it to have something to take issue with.

It is no longer about them doing their best gate, it is about them not being able to ever just STFU and take a win.




Just wanted to quote your long roundabout way of complimenting them. Why anyone would be angry at some entity celebrating what they feel are great successes for them but actually be happy for them is.... something.


Khan def needs to STFU on the "WE HAVE A HUGE SURPRISE!" thing, undoubtedly.

[Jordan]

Why in the shit is DDT needed in AEW? Hopefully they are just filling out ROH or something. I don't want more Nakazawa type shit.

[Lock Jaw]

Isn't DDT the comedy fed that had a ladder win a title?

This is def what AEW needs to get to the "next level"!

[Fignuts]

DDT does have serious wrestlers as well. Ibushi came out of there, after all. A deal with DDT would also give them a partnership with TJP, which is regarded as on of the better joshi promotions out there.

[Fignuts]

That said, given that Orange Cassidy has been treated like a main event talent, im not hopeful that they'll cherry pick the serious stuff from ddt.

[Lock Jaw]

TJP will def make all the difference for AEW, hope he still does the dab!

[Mr. Nerfect]

DDT may or may not have good wrestling on its cards. It’s kind of proof that if you act like a fucking joke, no one is going to take you seriously. So working with them is just another obstacle placed between them and my personal enjoyment of what they are trying to achieve.

This cannot be a good sign in regards to that AEW/New Japan relationship everyone assured me was fine either. It doesn’t necessarily mean it’s in the gutter, but working with one of their rivals probably isn’t a great political move.

Meltzer probably knows more than he reports there, because he’s started saying more and more negative things about New Japan in a “no one cares about them anymore” kind of way.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Brandi made an interesting tweet. She said “Happy Monday” and shared some meme about the next chapter of your life making others regret how badly they have treated you. Whoa-oh.

The shoot interviews were always going to be very interesting.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Of course, that post could be about anything. But you have to know what a comment on a Monday is going to get people talking.

[Fignuts]

DDT may or may not have good wrestling on its cards. It’s kind of proof that if you act like a fucking joke, no one is going to take you seriously. So working with them is just another obstacle placed between them and my personal enjoyment of what they are trying to achieve.

This cannot be a good sign in regards to that AEW/New Japan relationship everyone assured me was fine either. It doesn’t necessarily mean it’s in the gutter, but working with one of their rivals probably isn’t a great political move.

Meltzer probably knows more than he reports there, because he’s started saying more and more negative things about New Japan in a “no one cares about them anymore” kind of way.

Considering that NJPW works with its own rivals, I cant see the DDT partnership being a deal breaker for future collaboration. CMLL and AAA are the only companies to my knowledge that take serious offense from their partners working with the other brand.

[XL]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AEW Double or Nothing is now the largest non-WWE gate in North American history with close to 13,000 tickets sold and over $1,100,000 in revenue</p>&mdash; Samster203 サミー・カラフ (@KhalafSammy) <a href="https://twitter.com/KhalafSammy/status/1504878297875943425?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 18, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

No, they are doing slightly better than companies that went out of business, but pretending it is SUPER meaningful. They are qualifying it as only WWE has done better. But WWE has done multiple times better. AEW drawing a house of $50,000 more than a WCW show from 20+ years ago is supposed to be amazing why? Because only WWE has done more, but by Millions and Millions? $50,000 more is great, but lets just ignore WWE's actual numbers. Its all the same tiresome spun bullshit as always.



Purposefully, it is just as absurd to hype it up that way.

Serious question, why do they not just say "$1.1 Million is AEW's best gate ever"? A pure, simple fact with no spin. I would have read that and thought "solid gate, good for them" and would not have anything to complain about. Framing EVERYTHING as something to be a cheerleader about and #LFG'ing, all that extra bullshit, it invites dickheads like me who see through it to have something to take issue with.

It is no longer about them doing their best gate, it is about them not being able to ever just STFU and take a win.

I may be wrong here (often am as I’m not subscribed to this one vs. the other nonsense, and I’m not on Twitter) but the guy that posted that is a fan, not affiliated with AEW at all outside of being a fan. So how does the criticism become of AEW not being able to “take a win”? :wtf:

[Mr. Nerfect]

Considering that NJPW works with its own rivals, I cant see the DDT partnership being a deal breaker for future collaboration. CMLL and AAA are the only companies to my knowledge that take serious offense from their partners working with the other brand.

There is a big difference between you working with someone to promote your own stuff and another partner swooping in to do the same thing without you. We’ll see how this all goes, lol.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I may be wrong here (often am as I’m not subscribed to this one vs. the other nonsense, and I’m not on Twitter) but the guy that posted that is a fan, not affiliated with AEW at all outside of being a fan. So how does the criticism become of AEW not being able to “take a win”? :wtf:

The whole culture around this is stupid. xrod is right — you could have just told the truth. It’s this need — and it’s shared by fans, the company and commentators like Meltzer — to prop this thing up way more than is honest or reflective of the reality we live in.

It’s pissing in the wind and saying it’s raining. It’s annoying and people are allowed to be annoyed by it. In some cases it can even turn people away from enjoying a product. Who likes it when Jehovah’s Witnesses actually come to the door, right? And it’s harmful to historically accurate discourse. It doesn’t do AEW any favors to pretend that they are overachieving and there’s no work to be done when it comes to repairing the view many people have of wrestling.

AEW doing its record gate is fine. We don’t need the comparisons to promotions that thrived back in the day of actual ticket offices. We don’t need to ignore that AEW’s doing better ratings than it was this time last year largely because NXT is no longer competing with it. We can call 120k global PPV buys in an era where any kid can watch on their tablet what it is without needing to compare to terrestrial PPV you needed to prioritize in your household and throw on the bill.

Everyone and their dog knows this company isn’t going gangbusters. They go wild when AEW approaches Raw in men aged 18-34 — and let’s be honest — advertisers aren’t going wild for the 34 yr old men watching wrestling. But they know exactly what would happen if Raw and Dynamite went head-to-head on a Monday. Yet they still treat it like a head-to-head win.

People are going to lead with their biases and their hopes and their dreams. That’s what it is. But it does get a little annoying when that poisons what is supposed to be something resembling factual reporting around modern events.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

A company that’s not only still in business but selling ppvs and putting asses in seats while having a multi year TV deal to produce 3 hours of TV and semi regular weekend specials is only “slightly more successful” than companies that don’t exist. Amazing.

[#1-norm-fan]

Serious question, why do they not just say "$1.1 Million is AEW's best gate ever"? A pure, simple fact with no spin. I would have read that and thought "solid gate, good for them" and would not have anything to complain about.

The whole culture around this is stupid. xrod is right — you could have just told the truth.

Yeah, no one in their right mind would bitch about someone stating the simple truth that AEW had their record gate and awkwardly try to downplay it.

Dave Meltzer’s going to bat for AEW again. In order to spread propaganda that this thing is growing, Dave has used a bunch of weird metrics.

* First $1 million gate! Cool? You sellout a first-run venue and charge a lot for tickets this is doable.

Oh.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I don’t even know what convoluted point he’s trying to make

[xrodmuc316]

Yeah, no one in their right mind would bitch about someone stating the simple truth that AEW had their record gate and awkwardly try to downplay it.



Oh.

So you quoted the first part of what I wrote, but ignored the rest where I explained why I had an issue? That seems like an awkward way to downplay my explanation.

[Mr. Nerfect]

So you quoted the first part of what I wrote, but ignored the rest where I explained why I had an issue? That seems like an awkward way to downplay my explanation.

Lol, don’t try and reason with that guy. It’s not about having a conversation in good faith for him. He’s got a projection erection. He’s just gotta try and GOTCHA because it’s all about GOTCHA. Doesn’t matter if his interpretation of something isn’t the most logical one or makes any sort of sense in the first place. Doesn’t matter if it’s completely dishonest. GOTCHA!

[#1-norm-fan]

So you quoted the first part of what I wrote, but ignored the rest where I explained why I had an issue? That seems like an awkward way to downplay my explanation.

Your issue is petty and forced, your analogy was not analogous to what the guy tweeted and I’m not gonna spend three pages trying to get you to understand why only for you to still be as confused as you were in
the beginning.

I quoted the part that was relevant to what Derpfect said.

[#1-norm-fan]

Doesn’t matter if his interpretation of something isn’t the most logical one or makes any sort of sense in the first place. Doesn’t matter if it’s completely dishonest.

* Cody vs. MJF. If I recall, this was badly explained on TV. The Cody/Max relationship was brought up a couple of times, then MJF just randomly turned heel on Cody and they never touched again.

:lol: Too fucking easy.

[xrodmuc316]

Your issue is petty and forced, your analogy was not analogous to what the guy tweeted and I’m not gonna spend three pages trying to get you to understand why only for you to still be as confused as you were in
the beginning.

I quoted the part that was relevant to what Derpfect said.

It is petty because you think it is petty. I think it is valid criticism, not everything needs to be overhyped from the company or the fans.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It is petty because you think it is petty. I think it is valid criticism, not everything needs to be overhyped from the company or the fans.

Your criticisms are valid. He can’t dismiss them on their grounds, so he has to contextualize them how he sees fit. They’re “petty” because he needs them to be to dismiss them.

People don’t like liars. The company and its fans lie (including gormless-norm). People don’t like it, he goes wah! It’s not just you and me calling out this sort of aggrandizing in this thread. He’s picking a fight with you because it’s you. He develops fixations and you’re his latest one. If you started praising AEW for false achievements, he’d be saying things like “There are plenty of reasons to praise this company, but these are not among them.”

He’s the worst kind of faux-intellectual. He believes he has a firm grasp on logic, but he starts with the conclusion he wants and works his way out. There is no benefit in trying to reason with him.

Ask him to actually address the points you’re raising. He won’t be able to do it. Does he actually believe that getting a $1 million gate in 2022 is suitably framed in context by ignoring inflation? Of course not. He’s disingenuous as fuck. And he’s got the audacity to call you petty, lol.

[#1-norm-fan]

People don’t like liars.

* Cody vs. MJF. If I recall, this was badly explained on TV. The Cody/Max relationship was brought up a couple of times, then MJF just randomly turned heel on Cody and they never touched again.

[Mr. Nerfect]

You’re probably being really succinct and to the point and already proving all that, but as someone who likes to have discussions in good faith, his conduct is really bothersome to me. More people should call him out on his bullshit. I got done with it and as soon as he is gone you realize he adds NOTHING to conversation anymore. Not a single thing. He has no insights. He’s dependent on you now like he was dependent on me.

[#1-norm-fan]

…as someone who likes to have discussions in good faith, his conduct is really bothersome to me.

BAHAHAHAHAHA!

* Cody vs. MJF. If I recall, this was badly explained on TV. The Cody/Max relationship was brought up a couple of times, then MJF just randomly turned heel on Cody and they never touched again.

Getting caught in another bold face, easily demonstrable lie is so embarrassing this fucker’s gonna overpost to try to bury it despite “having me on ignore”.

[XL]

Will we have this same debate when WWE lie about and then promote their attendance figures for Mania?

[Mr. Nerfect]

There’s been no “meltdown” yet, but Kenny Omega liked a tweet that mocked Cody returning to “sports entertainment.” Between Brandi, Omega and just the way this stuff goes — meltdown impending, folks.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Will we have this same debate when WWE lie about and then promote their attendance figures for Mania?

No, because everyone knows the WWE’s numbers are bullshit and call them on their spin. Very few people do with AEW. But I am glad to see that number is increasing as infatuation with this fad fades.

[#1-norm-fan]

WWE calls Raw the longest running weekly episodic show on television.

LET’S JUST IGNORE THE NUMBERS OF ALL THE NON-WEEKLY EPISODIC TV SHOWS.

OMG THOSE FUCKS!

[Mr. Nerfect]

When they come out and tell you this is the highest grossing Mania of all-time, that will probably be true. That will no doubt have something to do with the economic factors surrounding it. To pretend that is causally linked to the quality of the product is a falsehood.

This Mania will probably be the most watched Mania of all-time because of the Peacock deal. Should we just pretend that accessibility was there for the shows of yesteryear?

[xrodmuc316]

Will we have this same debate when WWE lie about and then promote their attendance figures for Mania?

I love this kind of rationale, (FYI, if someone says, for example, that this Mania is the most tickets they ever sold to Mania, I would point out that combined over 2 nights is not the same) but why does it matter?

Why do I have to prove everytime that I criticize AEW that I would have also criticized WWE in the past and/or would in the future?

This is another aspect about AEW fandom I have talked about for years.

AEW and its fandom seemingly cannot survive without WWE, not their TV shows, not their podcasts, not their tweets, not their over hype, not their self congratulating validation, nothing. AEW without "BUT WWE" would have hardly any storylines, a big lack of talking points, and literally NO rallying cry to speak of to pump up the cult.

"YEAH WE HAD THE BEST NON-WWE GATE EVER!!!! SURE, IT IS LIKE 10% OF WWE, BUT YEAH WE WHOOPED 1999 ECW AND 2007 IMPACT SO WOOOOOOOO FUCK YOU WWE HAHAHA!!!"

Not doing anywhere NEAR as good as WWE does, but doing better than OTHER wrestling companies, means AEW is doing better than WWE?!? It is illogical, annoying, and asinined.

Ill go back to my question, why do they not just say "$1.1 Million is AEW's best gate ever"? Answer, because Cultist don't care about that, but if they can use it to pretend AEW GOOD FED BAD, well shit it is party time.

[xrodmuc316]

WWE calls Raw the longest running weekly episodic show on television.

LET’S JUST IGNORE THE NUMBERS OF ALL THE NON-WEEKLY EPISODIC TV SHOWS.

OMG THOSE FUCKS!

Are we really back to this???

https://i.imgflip.com/4oq3k4.jpg

[#1-norm-fan]

"YEAH WE HAD THE BEST NON-WWE GATE EVER!!!! SURE, IT IS LIKE 10% OF WWE, BUT YEAH WE WHOOPED 1999 ECW AND 2007 IMPACT SO WOOOOOOOO FUCK YOU WWE HAHAHA!!!"

Not doing anywhere NEAR as good as WWE does, but doing better than OTHER wrestling companies, means AEW is doing better than WWE?!? It is illogical, annoying, and asinined.

Lol Literally no one said or implied that doing better than every non-WWE company means they’re doing better than WWE. Literally… no one.

That’s your weird interpretation so that you can make up an “AEW BAD” out of nowhere.

[drave]

yeah.meme.cumdorxhausen

[#1-norm-fan]

WWE calls Raw the longest running weekly episodic show on television.

LET’S JUST IGNORE THE NUMBERS OF ALL THE NON-WEEKLY EPISODIC TV SHOWS.

OMG THOSE FUCKS!

Are we really back to this???

https://i.imgflip.com/4oq3k4.jpg

It’s called an actual, proper analogy. I know that’s a foreign concept to you.

[ron the dial]

https://i.imgur.com/YrLqywS.png

[XL]

Why do I have to prove everytime that I criticize AEW that I would have also criticized WWE in the past and/or would in the future?”

You don’t but I think doing so lends itself to being somewhat “fair” in your “assessment”. But you’re not trying to be “fair”, so why would you?

”YEAH WE HAD THE BEST NON-WWE GATE EVER!!!! SURE, IT IS LIKE 10% OF WWE, BUT YEAH WE WHOOPED 1999 ECW AND 2007 IMPACT SO WOOOOOOOO FUCK YOU WWE HAHAHA!!!"

Not doing anywhere NEAR as good as WWE does, but doing better than OTHER wrestling companies, means AEW is doing better than WWE?!? It is illogical, annoying, and asinined.

The tweet that we’ve been talking about doesn’t even do this.

[#1-norm-fan]

The amount of just flat out making shit up between these two… I’ve never seen anything like it in all my years of inter-webbing.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I love this kind of rationale, (FYI, if someone says, for example, that this Mania is the most tickets they ever sold to Mania, I would point out that combined over 2 nights is not the same) but why does it matter?

Why do I have to prove everytime that I criticize AEW that I would have also criticized WWE in the past and/or would in the future?

This is another aspect about AEW fandom I have talked about for years.

AEW and its fandom seemingly cannot survive without WWE, not their TV shows, not their podcasts, not their tweets, not their over hype, not their self congratulating validation, nothing. AEW without "BUT WWE" would have hardly any storylines, a big lack of talking points, and literally NO rallying cry to speak of to pump up the cult.

"YEAH WE HAD THE BEST NON-WWE GATE EVER!!!! SURE, IT IS LIKE 10% OF WWE, BUT YEAH WE WHOOPED 1999 ECW AND 2007 IMPACT SO WOOOOOOOO FUCK YOU WWE HAHAHA!!!"

Not doing anywhere NEAR as good as WWE does, but doing better than OTHER wrestling companies, means AEW is doing better than WWE?!? It is illogical, annoying, and asinined.

Ill go back to my question, why do they not just say "$1.1 Million is AEW's best gate ever"? Answer, because Cultist don't care about that, but if they can use it to pretend AEW GOOD FED BAD, well shit it is party time.

:y:

[screech]

The amount of just flat out making shit up between these two… I’ve never seen anything like it in all my years of inter-webbing.

But they just want to have discussions in good faith!

[Mr. Nerfect]

But they just want to have discussions in good faith!

Absolutely we do. In your case, you can’t keep up. Apparently fan is calling us liars because…I don’t know. xrod doesn’t lie, from everything I’ve read, and I know I don’t.

Oh wait, it’s because I called him out on the dishonest nature of his fixations.

[XL]

There is evidence that points to the contrary on that “we want to have discussions in good faith” point.

[#1-norm-fan]

Yeah, screech. You gotta keep up with the superior intelligence and total honesty of a guy who reads “largest non-WWE gate” as “better than WWE” and a guy who shits on AEW for booking angles that happened inside his own head.

[screech]

That would require reading more of their dumb posts than what other people quote. Doesn't seem worth it.

[slik]

did not realize former backyard rassler KAGE of various tpww backyard wrestling threads is actually FUEGO DEL SOL in AEW

[Evil Vito]

did not realize former backyard rassler KAGE of various tpww backyard wrestling threads is actually FUEGO DEL SOL in AEW

Lol wtf

[slik]

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[ron the dial]

oh my god

[slik]

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[Sepholio]

Little late...but this whole thing with DDT wrestling is weird af to me. The network doesn't want them to sign The Briscoes....but is ok with them working with a company that had a title called GAY World Anal Championship (They unified it with their Extreme title eventually)? Dunno... I don't think a working relationship with DDT is a good look imo.

[xrodmuc316]

There’s been no “meltdown” yet, but Kenny Omega liked a tweet that mocked Cody returning to “sports entertainment.” Between Brandi, Omega and just the way this stuff goes — meltdown impending, folks.

Kenny DMed Meltzer already and told him no matter what, Cody must NEVER receive a 5 star match rating in WWE.

[rez]

AEW could rake in 100million views a show, cause Russia to surrender, cure cancer, and single handedly convince MTV to go back to being a music television station (also spawn a bunch of cool ass bands) andddd Noid would still draw straw man arguments.

PS. Give him an adequate pee pee, too.

[slik]

I personally appreciate the copious amount of male nudity DDT encourages during comedy matches.

[Mr. Nerfect]

There is evidence that points to the contrary on that “we want to have discussions in good faith” point.

Cite one. Anyone not worth talking to I block.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Little late...but this whole thing with DDT wrestling is weird af to me. The network doesn't want them to sign The Briscoes....but is ok with them working with a company that had a title called GAY World Anal Championship (They unified it with their Extreme title eventually)? Dunno... I don't think a working relationship with DDT is a good look imo.

It’s not. Briscoes were probably sabotaged. But networks don’t neeed to be consistent.

[Triple A]

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[Triple A]

Hope they bring the GAY World Anal Championship to AEW...

[rez]

I'm all over here just wishing GLOW woulda got another season on the 'Flix...

[rez]

Alison Brie...mmm

[Jordan]

AEW does GAY World Anal Open on Dynamite?

[rez]

I'm not sure why xrod lets himself be noid's minion. why isn't it the other way around?

[rez]

xrod watches the product, at least. Noid faps to an upcoming Briscoe vs FTR match that technically isn't AEW.

[xrodmuc316]

I'm not sure why xrod lets himself be noid's minion. why isn't it the other way around?

I don't know how many times that has been implied in this thread. I guess it is just easier to lump people together. Start from the beginning of this thread, it is all here.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don't know how many times that has been implied in this thread. I guess it is just easier to lump people together. Start from the beginning of this thread, it is all here.

Lol, do people really consider you my minion? I think you do damn well on your own. Easier to lump people together than accept that it’s possible not everybody falls into line thinking the same crap.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Don’t worry. Kurt Angle can’t even have a 5 star match in the WWE. Cody is suddenly going to become awful in Meltzer’s eyes.

[XL]

Apparently Taz had a bit of a “meltdown” over the KO dressed up as Austin/fake out thing on Raw…

[XL]

Cite one. Anyone not worth talking to I block.

Only he’s not a star according to the definition you gave; talent that people tune in to see.

He might be being groomed for Main Events, and for my money he’s a good horse to back, but people are not tuning in to see him. Does he “spike a rating”? He might, I don’t know, the numbers are not the be-all and end-all to me in the same way they are for some. He’s a good talent, a great prospect, he may even be better right now than AEW’s very best, but he’s not pulling the “1.8”m people in. AEW have positioned Page as their champion. He’s not pulling in “1.8”m, but it’s reasonable to assume that a higher proportion of AEW’s audience of “900”k are tuning in to see Page.

I’ll remind you that you made the comparison between Page and Theory, before then pivoting to compare guys in the same position.

As things stand I’d personally much rather say there are barely any/almost no stars in wrestling today.

That’s not my argument at all. My argument is that if you are anyone of any remark in WWE, mathematically you are going to be more “famous” than anyone in AEW. I see what you are interpreting, but it’s not the same thing. More people do tune in to see Theory. They tune into Raw. And they see Theory.

Theory is a bigger star than Adam Page. I’m not pivoting on anything. AEW doesn’t have the reach.

We started the conversation about WWE and AEW’s ability to create “stars”. You defined “star” as someone that people tune in to see. Seeing someone because you tuned in is not the same thing - otherwise Kevin Patrick (that’s the Irish backstage interviewer btw) is also a “star” by your working.

Now you’ve introduced the notion of “fame” to the conversation. I’m not going to argue your “mathematics” because that would be stupid, I’d just be cautious of extrapolating too much from the numbers. You’ve also changed the benchmark of what we were originally discussing. Or at least what I thought we were discussing given the actual words you used. :lol:

I’ll take your word that you didn’t know what I meant.

[#1-norm-fan]

(Also, MJF and Cody had a long feud after MJF turned on Cody. Shitting on AEW’s storytelling because “they never touched again” after MJF’s turn is demonstrably wrong. But… “good faith”)

[#1-norm-fan]

And I’m pretty sure even xrod has quietly conceded that the whole narrative of “He’s trying to say they’re better than WWE with this tweet!” was ridiculous but…

:y:

Gotta stick by your guy. Logic be damned.

[Mr. Nerfect]

How is any of that not a good faith discussion? I genuinely don’t think what you thought we were discussing is what I was trying to discuss and agreed with that.

Austin Theory is a bigger star than just about anyone in AEW right now. Both in terms of how well known he is (due to WWE’s audience) and how featured he is on his programming (“Moose stars in Impact Wrestling”). I’d argue more people are tuning in to see what happens next with Austin Theory than are paying vivid attention to AEW.

Being featured in the more popular show is going to be more culturally relevant than the entire universe of a tiny one revolving around you (like it does anyone down there anyway). I didn’t pivot from anything. I said it then and I’ll say it now: Austin Theory is a bigger star in wrestling than Adam Page.

[weather vane]

You guys just ever going to agree to disagree? It’s been like 2 years.

[Mr. Nerfect]

You guys just ever going to agree to disagree? It’s been like 2 years.

This was way more recently than that. I think it was like January or something, lol. But yeah, that’s what I was trying to do when I said I believe we were interested in talking about different things or whatever. I’ve got no problem with XL at all. He just pokes me on purpose sometimes, lol.