All Elite Wrestling

[Mr. Nerfect]

That I disagree with. I mean, not being sunshine and lollipops doesn’t disqualify it from being beneficial to the industry, you’re right there. I do not believe AEW is a net good for anything other than the bank accounts of some talent. It’s drying up wrestling, making it worse and the people getting paid will be right to move on.

A lot of guys are going to be comfortable saying “Fuck you, I don’t need this job” because TK pays them enough to have a small fortune after 1 or 2 years of work.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Feel like Paige left NXT just before the women's division really "heated up" with the "4 Horsewomen" and then was only on the active main roster with them for a handful of months.

As mentioned, I really enjoyed her feud with AJ Lee, though....

The Submission Sorority and Paige making fun of Reid’s death immediately come to mind. Paige mingled with the Four Horsewomen lots. It just sucked. Because Paige isn’t very good.

[Mr. Nerfect]

A true alternative would be good for wrestling. A place that provides the living for guys while also creating good content that can hook more people into wrestling. I’m down with that. Not AEW. There’s a lot of harm it’s doing.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Man, I get TK has got to be careful to tread lightly with all the legal technicalities, but I selfishly want this hammer to drop on the whole Punk/Elite situation.

[Sting Fan]

Buddy Matthews interaction with Muta is believed to have been his last appearance for the company and he is now gone as well.

Thats a shame, Buddy is excellent in ring and even with Malakai gone I was excited to see him and King as a tag team a bit more often. They could be an excellent choice long term to dethrone the acclaimed then have a series with FTR.

AEW has the talent that its not a game changer given the amount of screen time he was getting anyway but its a shame none the less.

Im curious where this leaves King, hes an awesome talent but I'm. just not sure where he fits in on his own with everything else going on in AEW. He seems talented enough on the mic to keep things going alone if they went that way and he could work with Julia. He and Miro would be an excellent hoss fight if they hadnt just semi done that.

[Jordan]

I am assuming that Buddy and Malakai go back to WWE.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think they’ll want to. Both their significant others are there. Someone from Meltzer’s forums has said that people with partners there want to get back. A bit of a veiled hint that Andrade might be looking for a way out too.

[Evil Vito]

Buddy's seemingly clapped back at the rumors that he's leaving, despite him telling the crowd at an indy show that he'll be going away for a while.

Kinda funny when guys get mad at rumors they're partially responsible for starting.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Buddy's seemingly clapped back at the rumors that he's leaving, despite him telling the crowd at an indy show that he'll be going away for a while.

Kinda funny when guys get mad at rumors they're partially responsible for starting.

Every fucking wrestler these days. Malakai Tommy End Alistair Black had the same sort of moan.

[Evil Vito]

It felt inevitable as AEW did nothing but add and add to their roster that it was only a matter of time before some talent realized it wasn’t exactly the greener pasture they thought it would be coming in. Both because the roster is extremely crowded and only getting bigger, and also because Tony Khan seems to be poor in the area of course-correcting when something goes wrong. Booking through Malakai's physical issues was one thing, but then Rey Fenix gets hurt and he basically puts the entire angle on the backburner with vignettes for months on end because he wanted the big Trios match blowoff, rather than just trying to wrap it up with the talents available and then move everyone into fresh programs.

At the end of the day, talents might be getting paid fair market value but that doesn’t mean they’ll all be happy getting stuck in catering just as often as they were at their former employer.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

What Tony is doing with Miro is bordering on criminal.

[Evil Vito]

Despite not utilizing them the way they should've, it still doesn't strike me as that bad of a look for AEW that guys who had great working relationships with Triple H want to go back and work there again now that he's in charge. There's at least some evidence that it's not the same stifling creative environment it was when they left.

The worse sign for AEW will be if and when they start losing their talent that didn't come from WWE.

MJF is obviously the biggest one, he'll be openly talking about leaving for WWE to get heel heat over the next year, and the company will then look kinda dumb if he actually walks out the door and goes right to the place he said he would for ages.

Popular acts like Ricky Starks and Jungle Boy would be in that category too though. Those are guys who can and should be mainstay big players with AEW if they play their cards correctly, losing them would be a big fail.

[Evil Vito]

What Tony is doing with Miro is bordering on criminal.

It's really baffling. Yes he did have an injury at some point and yes he took some time to film a TV show. But he's admitted in interviews that the biggest reason for his absence was Tony just waiting for there to be an opening in his plans to work him back in.

Miro isn't an act you keep waiting around. Plans shouldn't be so rigid that there's no way to get a talent of his level back onto TV. If he's not in the current plans, you find a way to insert him. It's not that hard.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Tony Khan is a horrible booker. The place is rife with politics and has been a mess since the start. The first tip-off was when PAC vs. Page was pulled from Double or Nothing (a match I was quite looking forward to) because they had no clue how to book around PAC needing to win. And so many people bent over backwards trying to defend them for it.

I don’t think TK understands that wrestlers are human beings and not action figures or digital avatars on EWR or whatever. Not everybody is going to be happy getting paid a truckload of money to sit in catering or take bumps with no meaning behind them.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I’d be surprised if Ricky Starks stays with the company. He’s come out and said the politics there are bullshit and that he still leans on Cody for advice. I’m pretty sure he’ll be WWE-bound whenever he can get out. Jungle Boy? Eh. He seems like someone that would be happy to get paid a lot of money to waste his potential and just hang out with his girlfriend. If Anna Jay wants to be more famous and go to the WWE, that could influence him though.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don’t know how someone can be upset that Rusev was wasted in WWE and then defend his use in AEW (I’m not saying anyone here is). It’s just objectively bad.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Remember when Jericho (and Cody too, I believe) was like “We only want 4 or 5 guys from WWE.” What a crock…

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think Sting might remain the only guy that has made the jump from WWE to AEW and been used better. His AEW is still far from the highlight of his career though.

Is there anyone else? Maybe Toni Storm?

[Sepholio]

Can you even really pick Toni though considering she left like, what, a couple weeks after coming up to the main roster? There was no time to do anything with her.

[Sepholio]

nvm I guess she "came up" and had a match and then disappeared for awhile

[Evil Vito]

I think the segment of the fanbase that think MJF shouldn't get a prolonged title run unless he extends his deal are beyond retarded. First off, he signed for 5 years and aside from benching him for 3 months as part of a worked shoot that ultimately didn't accomplish anything, and actively made the show worse given how many guys were out with legit injuries....there's been no legitimate signs that he's been unwilling to honor the long contract he signed.

He wanted a raise and supposedly got it, but it's not like he was gonna actually walk out if he didn't get it. He goes to such great lengths to stay in character in interviews, so nobody truly knows what goes on with any of his negotiations with Khan, but there's little reason to doubt he actually wants that bidding war and massive 2024 payday, and so it would do him no good to breach his deal and walk out/get benched for over a year.

If AEW fans want MJF there for the long haul, I don't know how they can't see that not giving him the top of the card run that he deserves would make it even more substantially unlikely that he'd re-sign when his deal is up. It would be irresponsible to not make the most of a talent of his caliber while they still have him.

You give MJF his title run. Let him do his thing. Hell if they want him to channel heel ROH Punk again he could be even more hamfisted with the whole "I'M LEAVING FOR WWE" shit as 2023 winds down. Have him put over your next babyface to "save" AEW before his deal expires. It's really not rocket science here.

If he then re-signs and makes a surprise return in 2024? Great! You've got a "homegrown" star entrenched for the long haul. If he leaves? You'll have hopefully used him to make some stars on the way out.

But to purposely not make the most of the guy while he's here would be indefensible.

[xrodmuc316]

LOL name one person that has been booked properly in AEW. I don't mean for a good stretch here or there, but overall.

Even the most successful people like Jericho and Moxley have had long stretches where they were a complete afterthought.

Moxley had like a 6 month booking period where his whole gimmick was him and Eddie Kingston being drunk and fat friends while fighting random old guys from Japan.

Jericho had a stretch where he was up against teleporting Matt Hardy and his drone, and had a hot tub orange juice match and a debate fued.

Them taking MJF off tv for 3 months then having him come back as the exact same character like he never left, is just Tiny being a shit booker.

[Sepholio]

I think what hotrod is trying to say is that if you give Tony 100 balls he's gonna drop all of them.

[drave]

Except for his own two!






A-thank you.

[Sepholio]

Yeah those definitely haven't dropped yet.

[xrodmuc316]

Yeah those definitely haven't dropped yet.

https://i.imgflip.com/6usezx.jpg

[Mr. Nerfect]

Can you even really pick Toni though considering she left like, what, a couple weeks after coming up to the main roster? There was no time to do anything with her.

Kind of debating that myself. I don’t think Storm is very good. The NXT system helped her generate a following that she is still dining out on. But I can see fanboys getting up in arms if you don’t credit the kayfabe push she’s getting in AEW to be bigger.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think the segment of the fanbase that think MJF shouldn't get a prolonged title run unless he extends his deal are beyond retarded. First off, he signed for 5 years and aside from benching him for 3 months as part of a worked shoot that ultimately didn't accomplish anything, and actively made the show worse given how many guys were out with legit injuries....there's been no legitimate signs that he's been unwilling to honor the long contract he signed.

He wanted a raise and supposedly got it, but it's not like he was gonna actually walk out if he didn't get it. He goes to such great lengths to stay in character in interviews, so nobody truly knows what goes on with any of his negotiations with Khan, but there's little reason to doubt he actually wants that bidding war and massive 2024 payday, and so it would do him no good to breach his deal and walk out/get benched for over a year.

If AEW fans want MJF there for the long haul, I don't know how they can't see that not giving him the top of the card run that he deserves would make it even more substantially unlikely that he'd re-sign when his deal is up. It would be irresponsible to not make the most of a talent of his caliber while they still have him.

You give MJF his title run. Let him do his thing. Hell if they want him to channel heel ROH Punk again he could be even more hamfisted with the whole "I'M LEAVING FOR WWE" shit as 2023 winds down. Have him put over your next babyface to "save" AEW before his deal expires. It's really not rocket science here.

If he then re-signs and makes a surprise return in 2024? Great! You've got a "homegrown" star entrenched for the long haul. If he leaves? You'll have hopefully used him to make some stars on the way out.

But to purposely not make the most of the guy while he's here would be indefensible.

MJF was in-line to be the third World Champion that company had. At their very first show he stole a segment with Adam Page and Bret Hart. How much longer past that do you still need to be testing the guy? We’re almost FOUR YEARS past that and it’s no wonder the dude wants to pack his bags and go to the show that can make him a bigger star.

[Mr. Nerfect]

LOL name one person that has been booked properly in AEW. I don't mean for a good stretch here or there, but overall.

Even the most successful people like Jericho and Moxley have had long stretches where they were a complete afterthought.

Moxley had like a 6 month booking period where his whole gimmick was him and Eddie Kingston being drunk and fat friends while fighting random old guys from Japan.

Jericho had a stretch where he was up against teleporting Matt Hardy and his drone, and had a hot tub orange juice match and a debate fued.

Them taking MJF off tv for 3 months then having him come back as the exact same character like he never left, is just Tiny being a shit booker.

I will maybe hear Sting. For a dude older than my dad, they’ve used him for special occasions. He does too much and mixes it up with losers sometimes, but I would hear the case. I’d have almost gone with Darby Allin once upon a time. They took real good care of him. For a while. Now everybody is like “Wtf are they doing with Darby?”

Hmm, kind of funny it was was after Punk anointed him.

The booking in this company fucking sucks. The politics are toxic. They’re starting to finally get what’s been coming to them from the start.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Stories about Britt Baker being toxic backstage are starting to come out. I don’t know if they’re as credible as the ones about her liking Christian Cage penis, but there’s that out there now too.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Why would Wardlow stay? He was on fire earlier this year and they’ve done their best to book him down. Ricky Starks will be gone. Does that extend to Powerhouse Hobbs? He seems to be in that Punk group of guys and you would presume a closeness to Starks. I can see Billy Gunn pulling some strings and getting his sons a tap on the shoulder to jump over to NXT.

I’m curious to see what Jade does when her deal is up. She’s training with Danielson, but that doesn’t really mean anything. I can see WWE making a really convincing play and getting her to jump ship.

I really don’t know why any of those people would stay in AEW when they can go to the WWE and get equal or better booking, basically the same money once merch factors in and be more famous and respected.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Stories about Britt Baker being toxic backstage are starting to come out. I don’t know if they’re as credible as the ones about her liking Christian Cage penis, but there’s that out there now too.

All the stuff with Rosa reeks of Mean Girls bullshit. Doesn’t help that it sounds like Brit’s got Tony’s ear.

[Vastardikai]

Stories about Britt Baker being toxic backstage are starting to come out. I don’t know if they’re as credible as the ones about her liking Christian Cage penis, but there’s that out there now too.

Britt's toxic backstage? You don't say! *Looks at how Big Swole and Thunder Rosa were treated post program with her. And how she is always in public with the boss and Rosa was hiding in the back, even as Champion.*

How could anyone get that idea?

[Mr. Nerfect]

All the stuff with Rosa reeks of Mean Girls bullshit. Doesn’t help that it sounds like Brit’s got Tony’s ear.

Lol that’s basically the story. Mean Girls shit and when people try to wake Tony Khan up to it he’s too smitten with Britt.

Britt's toxic backstage? You don't say! *Looks at how Big Swole and Thunder Rosa were treated post program with her. And how she is always in public with the boss and Rosa was hiding in the back, even as Champion.*

How could anyone get that idea?

It was weird to hear TK basically dismiss her as champion too and sit there while Toni Storm implies that she’s faked her injury.

Is it too psychoanalytical to speculate that Tony never had hot female friends and now he can pay for “acceptance” and is, at least subconsciously, participating in this bullying?

[xrodmuc316]

I will maybe hear Sting. For a dude older than my dad, they’ve used him for special occasions. He does too much and mixes it up with losers sometimes, but I would hear the case. I’d have almost gone with Darby Allin once upon a time. They took real good care of him. For a while. Now everybody is like “Wtf are they doing with Darby?”

Hmm, kind of funny it was was after Punk anointed him.

The booking in this company fucking sucks. The politics are toxic. They’re starting to finally get what’s been coming to them from the start.

It's almost like some wrestling forum member knew that jobbing to an embarrassing MMA failure with no credibility would hurt/bury anybody that might have had a chance of breaking out.

At least Tiny learned his lesson after Darby, and didn't let anybody else on his roster get buried by that douchebag failure. :roll:

[Mr. Nerfect]

Wouldn’t surprise me if The Elite got jealous after Punk wanted to work with Darby and have got him to do quiet stuff on the side since.

[xrodmuc316]

Wouldn’t surprise me if The Elite got jealous after Punk wanted to work with Darby and have got him to do quiet stuff on the side since.

If I was Darby I would be jealous that The Elite DIDN'T have to work with Phil :rofl:

[Mr. Nerfect]

If I were in AEW I would have a lot of hobbies. You’re basically getting paid to have as much free time as possible.

[xrodmuc316]

If I were in AEW I would have a lot of hobbies. You’re basically getting paid to have as much free time as possible.

LOL true, they got so many people on that Lanny Poffo WCW contract where they do literally nothing

[Mr. Nerfect]

Remember when WCW was mocked for that?

[Mr. Nerfect]

I know people are starting to mock AEW too.

[Sting Fan]

Apparently Malakai Black was live on some platform today saying he will be back in AEW and is just taking a break. Be good for AEW if he does come back and has his injuries sorted. Probably gives King a bit of direction as well if there is a return set even without a specific date in mind.

If Matthews stays as well you could do a monster gets overwhelmed type deal for King and the two come back to save him t some point, could go over well as a face angle.

[XL]

If I were in AEW I would have a lot of hobbies. You’re basically getting paid to have as much free time as possible.

Who are you kidding? You’d have one hobby and it’d be posting on Internet wrestling forums full of people who’s opinion you don’t value :lol: Only difference from now is you’d be getting bank for doing it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Who are you kidding? You’d have one hobby and it’d be posting on Internet wrestling forums full of people who’s opinion you don’t value :lol: Only difference from now is you’d be getting bank for doing it.

I think I’d probably hate wrestling if I worked there. I’d probably take up origami.

[Splaya]

I think I’d probably hate wrestling if I worked there. I’d probably take up origami.

I'd just sit around and read.

[Jordan]

I just want to say that Wardlow will be "nothing special" in WWE. He's AEW through and through.

[Jordan]

Malakai Black should be the next rising major heel behind MJF. Sweep the undercard titles and dominate like he did in NXT. I love Malakai. He's so good, one of my favorites next to Jon Moxley in AEW.

I kind of want Malakai to go back to WWE though because Triple H love's him as much as I do.

[Evil Vito]

I mean, cool that Malakai's said he's coming back eventually.

That said his IG post a few weeks ago specifically mentioned, amongst all the personal and mental shit he has going on, that "promises made in my professional career that were not upheld". Not exactly hard to glean that he was unhappy with his booking.

Could be that he's talked with Tony and they've worked something out to try and give things another go once he feels ready for it. But I wouldn't hold my breath on House of Black not getting lost in the shuffle again.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Malakai is a fucking wanker.

[Sepholio]

TK has apparently set a new policy at AEW. No one gets released unless its for cause. If you don't like it you can sit your ass in catering and be depressed for the next 4 and a half years.

[Sepholio]

Malakai is a fucking wanker.

You should love him then considering your affinity for wrestlers that identify as wankers.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

CM Punk doesn't identify as a wanker. He just is one. He probably thinks he's a great guy lolol

[xrodmuc316]

CM Punk doesn't identify as a wanker. He just is one. He probably thinks he's a great guy lolol

He thinks he is a good fighter too, but he probably has brain damage from getting his brain pummeled every time he forgot he is a little bitch, and tried to fight.

[xrodmuc316]

Where are all the morality stans who LOVED wrestlers escaping WWE Prison to the safety of AEW Freedom now?

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[Damian Rey 2.0]

CM Punk doesn't identify as a wanker. He just is one. He probably thinks he's a great guy lolol

Puno no doubt thinks he’s the good guy who’s done nothing wrong and that everybody else is the problem. As opposed to the reality that how he deals with shit is the problem.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I actually don't hate what he did as far as the press conference went. It was awesome and hilarious because fuck the Elite. I even think suckering a Young Buck was great. But there were two problems that stemmed from it:

1. Ace Steele doing shit that made it a legal problem
2. Punk's injury. There's no way to pay any of this off even if they all made nice.

But there's no doubt that his actions were those of a salty prick. All the same, it was a necessary wakeup call for Tony and his band of assholes that their bullshit isn't cute.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Malakai is a fucking wanker.

Agreed. I tried to watch a video of his explanation to see if it said what people were saying it said. The guy was acting like he was a victim of some out of control misrepresentation of his character. Don’t get frustrated that people think you want out of your deal when you go online and don’t communicate effectively lol.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Dude he literally communicated that he wanted out of his deal! Lmfao

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I’m sure he’s an alright guy but wrestlers need to just use burner accounts and stay off social media. It’s for their own good.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I actually don't hate what he did as far as the press conference went. It was awesome and hilarious because fuck the Elite. I even think suckering a Young Buck was great. But there were two problems that stemmed from it:

1. Ace Steele doing shit that made it a legal problem
2. Punk's injury. There's no way to pay any of this off even if they all made nice.

But there's no doubt that his actions were those of a salty prick. All the same, it was a necessary wakeup call for Tony and his band of assholes that their bullshit isn't cute.

Tony Khan had months, even years, to fix these issues. When your champ goes out there and tries to bury your star babyface and the program he’s in — you kinda sort that shit out. It got this weird unprecedented place due to lack of leadership.

Punk said some unprofessional things. I think the most damaging was probably that Page had “done nothing in the business” despite being AEW champ. But their behavior was left unchecked for so long. Now damage has been done. Even if you agree with Punk, some cultists will be looking to shit all over what he does if he comes back. And even if you like The Elite, your bad taste doesn’t excuse them from perception issues either. And there are talent on both sides that are going to respond to this. Pushing Adam Page in its wake seems like a great way to build further resentment towards him.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Dude he literally communicated that he wanted out of his deal! Lmfao

I was trying to remember if I explicitly saw that or not. If he did, he’s a muppet. But even if he didn’t, going online and vaguebooking about how miserable you are is you inviting these conclusions. You can’t blame fans for picking up what you’re putting down. I’ve got no sympathy for the guy.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Where are all the morality stans who LOVED wrestlers escaping WWE Prison to the safety of AEW Freedom now?

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This is the hypocrisy I’ve been annoyed at from the start. Fair enough people have their biases, but the mental gymnastics to defend this company are insane.

[erickman]

Where are all the morality stans who LOVED wrestlers escaping WWE Prison to the safety of AEW Freedom now?

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yeah after being screwed around in wwe you would figure they would only sign 2 year deals that was just greed to sign 5 year deals. i liked the ones who did 6 month deals with impact that worked for all parties

[xrodmuc316]

yeah after being screwed around in wwe you would figure they would only sign 2 year deals that was just greed to sign 5 year deals. i liked the ones who did 6 month deals with impact that worked for all parties

Their contracts are certainly all over the place. Giving Bobby Fish a 1 year contract, but then giving Kyle O'Reilly a 5 year deal, it is weird. Leo Rush's contract "expired" after what, 4 months? Then there have been reports that Adam Cole has a six year deal, with Tiny having a 7th year option.

This would suggest the wrestlers are telling Tiny how long they want their contracts to be, because otherwise Tiny is almost randomly offering different contract lengths based on who the fuck knows lol

[Mr. Nerfect]

The Lio Rush thing was weird. It’s possible that he was signed for a temporary thing because of his past. It’s also possible that he got fired, but you’d think we’d hear about that.

Either way, it’s still ridiculous you have a job you can’t quit. I understand why you don’t just let top guys go. At the same time, you can make your company a place people actually want to work.

But it’s funny to see the turn this has taken.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I’m still thinking the end of AEW might be Tony Khan having a mental breakdown and his dad just pulling the plug because it’s broken his son.

It’s kind of weird if Black and Buddy Matthews don’t want out.

Nobody:

Tony Khan: NO ONE IS LEAVING!

[xrodmuc316]

The Lio Rush thing was weird. It’s possible that he was signed for a temporary thing because of his past. It’s also possible that he got fired, but you’d think we’d hear about that.

Either way, it’s still ridiculous you have a job you can’t quit. I understand why you don’t just let top guys go. At the same time, you can make your company a place people actually want to work.

But it’s funny to see the turn this has taken.

Oh he 100% got fired. Tiny made him publically apologize AND put Tony over, paid him for another 6 weeks, then he was gone. Rush never ever got back on TV after the whole Big Swole mess

[Mr. Nerfect]

I wonder why we haven’t heard anything? Actually, is Lio Rush still alive to talk?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Have they actually booked Jon Moxley vs. Juice Robinson for Dynamite? Lol why?

[xrodmuc316]

Have they actually booked Jon Moxley vs. Juice Robinson for Dynamite? Lol why?

Because bro, Tiny implies it in his copy on Instagram!

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[Mr. Nerfect]

This fucking company.

[Mr. Nerfect]

This episode reeks of absolute filler.

[Sepholio]

Bandido and Juice on TV, Miro in catering

[Sepholio]

"I have way too many wrestlers and not enough TV time....hmmmm.....let me book guys from other promotions, that'll fix it!"

[Jordan]

The thing with Miro is, there is clearly something there. I absolutely hate the way they have used him. I really have only liked him when he was the character that faced Cena at Mania. I'd really like Tony to just book him like Vader, have the agents to teach him a move set similar to Vader but updated, and have him be the new Bull.

[Jordan]

"I have way too many wrestlers and not enough TV time....hmmmm.....let me book guys from other promotions, that'll fix it!"

I know. Honestly it would have been much cooler to just have Mox face Cash or Dax or even both in some kind of championship qualifier.

Or maybe eventually he could get a match against Ethan Page backed by MJF.

Or Luchasaurus and Jungle Boy costs him the match.

Or Keith Lee and Strickland interferes.

Or Starks and Hobbs interferes.

It goes on. They should stop with the NJPW guys, not that many people really care.

[Evil Vito]

Mox and Juice have really good chemistry, I’ve enjoyed their NJPW matches

I can’t imagine Jericho and Bandido not being good

As a fan who wants to see matches he’ll enjoy? I’m happy.

As a fan trying to peek behind the curtain? I’m perplexed at Khan’s failure to utilize his actual roster.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The thing with Miro is, there is clearly something there. I absolutely hate the way they have used him. I really have only liked him when he was the character that faced Cena at Mania. I'd really like Tony to just book him like Vader, have the agents to teach him a move set similar to Vader but updated, and have him be the new Bull.

Miro should be in a different promotion. He’s wasted so badly there and it makes everyone look bad.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don’t understand how you haven’t done Wardlow vs. Miro for the TNT Title. It’s low-hanging fruit.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol I just watched the Malakai Black video. I hope the guy gets his shit together, but what a muppet.

- It starts with him breathing heavily and acting like he doesn’t know what to say. You started the video, dude. What dramatic nonsense lol.

- He doesn’t really know how quotation marks work. I get English is not his primary language, but you can’t get mad at people for not knowing what you mean when you are not communicating properly. This is a situation where you go “Sorry all, I wasn’t clear.” You don’t rip people because they didn’t immediately pick up that you were talking in code.

- He acts like everything is so clear and I’m still confused at the end of his video.

- He seems to have this idea that everyone hangs onto every word he says publicly. I get the feeling he would be a nightmare to deal with backstage. Maybe not in a raging asshole sort of way, but I think the guy has this tinge of narcissism to him.

Wrestlers who give this much about themselves away make it just that little bit harder to support them. Getting into fights with the internet about your lack of clarity and making everything so public is just asking for people to eye-roll you for the rest of your career.

It’s been pointed out that he’s arguing with Tony Khan on the length of his contract too. TK himself said that Black has almost 5 years left on his AEW deal and Black is saying that his deal us never been for 5 years. It’s possible that TK was exaggerating or talking about optional years or whatever, but it’s a messy look when the boss says one thing and you’re saying another.

[Mr. Nerfect]

That roster needs a real cleanse, and honestly a guy like Malakai Black is probably a logical choice to cut since you don’t seem to have plans for him, he’s probably expensive and his head seems all over the place.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It’s probably easier to do a “who are you actually going to keep?” list than a cutting list. So, so bloated.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Just get rid of the whole House of Black minus Julia Hart, pls.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

For Malakai's sake I hope he ends up in WWE because HHH seems to want to use him.

[Jordan]

Seems that Tony isn't releasing Malakai and Buddy.

[xrodmuc316]

Seems that Tony isn't releasing Malakai and Buddy.

Classic Vince, he is such an evil son of a bi... oh it's Tony? He is such a good guy, it is not like he forced them to sign those contracts. LOVE AEW!

[Destor]

They signed under their own free will. Im consistent on this topic

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

They signed under their own free will. Im consistent on this topic

lol because there's no such thing as exploitative, bad-faith contracts where people are being leveraged. Not saying this is the case here, but give me a break with your nonsense.

[Destor]

"Im not saying this is the case here" well at least you know it has nothing to do with anything atleast

[Destor]

"But what about the thing we arent discussing???" Dale currently

[Destor]

Great point as always newstead. And while we're at it what about slavery??

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Once Malakai should’ve never lost to Cody. They should’ve kept building him up as this awesome silent ass kicker, and gotten him to main event heel status by now.

Miro got hurt, then took time off for side projects, but his usage since dropping the TNT title when healthy has been abysmal. And it’s a damn shame.

The NJPW stuff was cute at first before Tony went out and signed a bunch of big names. Now it’s just annoying. And unneeded.

[Evil Vito]

While a wrestling company is under no legal obligation to release a talent who asks for it, I think the bigger thing is...if you're going to keep them, what will you do to address the concerns that led to asking for the release to begin with?

In the case of Brodie Lee, when he publicly asked for his release they sent him home, told him they had no plans to release him but no plans to use him either, and he waited at home for months and months to be given something to do. They finally called him 6 months later for what ended up being like a 3 week angle and then it was back to waiting months before they actually let him go.

Mustafa Ali was also sent home for months after publicly asking to be let go, seemingly with no communication with the office. He finally got brought back but, similarly, his angle ended just as soon as he started and he's back to passive aggressively tweeting about catering and Main Event.

We don't know what discussions were had with Malakai and Buddy but it sounds they've agreed to give them time off to handle some personal matters. But what happens when they come back? Will they actually be booked in a matter that they're happy with? Or will it be the same stop-start shit they've been doing all year where we see them wrestle once a month?

Not every talent is going to be happy. That's the nature of the beast. It's fine to deny a release if you feel you can smooth things over and patch things up. But if you just go right back to barely using them then yeah, it starts to make the company look petty.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don’t think there should be a job you can’t quit. A contract is useful for stipulating that if I paint your fence, I get paid (x). But if I don’t paint your fence? I don’t get (x). Likewise, if you pay (x), it’s reasonable to expect a painted fence. If talent don’t want to be paid (x), get someone else to paint the fence.

I understand why these companies do it. They don’t want to set that precedent. But the underlying issue here is bad morale. The solution is to foster a workplace that the talent actually wants to be in. If they’re going to jump the gun and prove themselves unreliable, let them go and make life difficult for someone else. But if they’re unhappy for valid reasons, broken promises, a shift in focus, etc. — it’s just kicking the bucket down the road to keep them locked in.

[xrodmuc316]

They signed under their own free will. Im consistent on this topic

I have no problem with the practice of keeping people to their contracts.

I have a problem with the hypocrisy of AEW doing it after spending 3 years taking every potshot available at WWE, only to do exactly what WWE does.

I have a problem with fans who cried murder for WWE not releasing people like Ali, but now fuck Malakai Black for wanting to go work with his wife and old boss, that traitor!

[Destor]

Contract doesnt stipulate they cant quit. Just obligations they must meet if they fail or choose to not keep their word. Contacts are promises. Breaking them are lies. There was a time when men knew what honor was enough to not so routinely make liars of themselves.

These contracts dont keep a man from quitting. By all rights quit. But if you fail to honor your word, as noted in writing, here's what you have to do to make it right.

In business its usually pay a fee to compensate them for the time onvested in you and an agreement that you wont use your time at the company to strengthen their direct competition. This is completely standard.

The company is compelled by the terms too of course. They cant not pay you without subjecting themselves to penalties the courts will enforce as well. In the meantime youre free to work just not for the explicitly agreed upon terms which mind you are specific. You arent barred from general work.

There's nothing immoral about the practice or enforcing the agreed upon terms. If Kahn wants to hold Black to his agreement Kahn is the moral actor. Some of yall are untrustworthy and it shows.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Contract doesnt stipulate they cant quit. Just obligations they must meet if they fail or choose to not keep their word. Contacts are promises. Breaking them are lies. There was a time when men knew what honor was enough to not so routinely make liars of themselves.


lmfao do you think you're in Lord of the Rings or something?

Anyways, remember when Vince McMahon told Bret Hart he was going to breach his contract in 1997? Funny that you never talk that, but then again, you're a simp for grotesque capitalist assholes.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I have no problem with the practice of keeping people to their contracts.

I have a problem with the hypocrisy of AEW doing it after spending 3 years taking every potshot available at WWE, only to do exactly what WWE does.

I have a problem with fans who cried murder for WWE not releasing people like Ali, but now fuck Malakai Black for wanting to go work with his wife and old boss, that traitor!

The hypocrisy from AEW fanboys is delicious. Expected, but delicious.

[Mr. Nerfect]

They’ve always changed tone on people based on whether they are coming or going. Everyone has got the world of potential when they sign, but when they leave they’re ungrateful and overrated hacks.

[Mr. Nerfect]

There’s a discussion on wrestling Twitter about who does the knee lift better — Kenny Omega or Mandy Rose — and opinion might surprise you. :lol:

[Vastardikai]

Mr. Wrestling 2 is the only correct answer.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Mr. Wrestling 2 is the only correct answer.

Amen.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The Young Bucks are sending out tweets of them on a plane with Kenny Omega and saying that wherever Kenny goes, they go.

If I were in AEW management, I’d be kind of pissed about people I’ve suspended turning the situation into a rah-rah. But AEW isn’t professional, so it may mean nothing.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The Young Bucks are sending out tweets of them on a plane with Kenny Omega and saying that wherever Kenny goes, they go.

If I were in AEW management, I’d be kind of pissed about people I’ve suspended turning the situation into a rah-rah. But AEW isn’t professional, so it may mean nothing.

False alarm. Turns out it was an old tweet a fan account tweeted out. I’m just ready to chew on the story of what happens to these dolts.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It’s possible a Matt Jackson alt though. Here’s hoping The Bucks and Omega got their number called and were offered a chance to leave.

[drave]

to the rocks promotion. that's where everyone is going these days.

[drave]

got that from the meltZ

[#1-norm-fan]

Sounds good. I’m gonna jump on that story and run with it because it fits my narrative. I’m all in on Rock’s promotion.

[Mr. Nerfect]

to the rocks promotion. that's where everyone is going these days.

Nah, they’re going straight to DDT.

[rez]

I blame the downfall of AEW on Jacksonville Jags doing decent. They should drop that futball club and Tony should get some non fan boi staff. There. I said it.

[Mr. JL]

I don't know.

If I am Kenny Omega and The Young Bucks and I've been given contracts and EVP status to run certain and particular things within this new upstart company and I do that successfully for 2-3 years... then my boss hires an older wrestler to a BIG money contract (possibly more than them) and then this independant contractor whose been around for 6 months then got injured, returns and comes back and begins to take liberties and shit goes down and my boss does not have my back. FUCK THAT! I'd walk.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Did they do it successfully though? Did they really?

I do get that it’s frustrating when someone comes in and is a threat because they can do this shit better than you and they have ideas for improving the company and your little vanity project is exposed though.

[drave]

Nah, they’re going straight to DDT.


Dwayne's
Dominant
Territory
wrestling (see, the w isn't part of it because it's tiny)

[Jordan]

Just read that AEW ticket sales are very bad for all upcoming events, very bad!

“The upcoming advances do not tell a good story at all. 10/5 Dynamite in Washington, DC, is at 2,265 and 10/7 Rampage/Battle of the Belts in the same building is at 1,988. They noted DC as the anniversary show in the same city the first Dynamite aired (which did more than 14,000 fans and sold out instantly).

“The hope that the great atmosphere and Arthur Ashe show would get live business back on track hasn’t shown up yet. 10/12 in Toronto is basically sold out at 6,783, but the Rampage show on 10/13 is at 4,853.

“Part of this may be that Rampage isn’t on television in Canada so its name value is nil, because the demand for Dynamite was off the chart and was an immediate sellout but the people turned away could have gotten Rampage tickets and most chose not to. 10/18 for the Tuesday night show in Cincinnati with Jon Moxley vs. Adam Page is at 3,053 at the Heritage Bank Center which is not good.

“10/21 Rampage in Jacksonville is at 2,250. 10/26 in Norfolk is at 2,217, way down from the last show. 10/28 in Uncasville, CT at the Mohegan Sun Casino is at 3,768. 11/2 in Baltimore is at 1,525, which shocks me for that market. 11/4 in Atlantic City, NJ, is at 776, which is brutal, especially since they did 5,500 paid and 5,900 in the building in February in the same arena.

“11/9 in Boston is at 2,322, about half of what it was in the same building last time they were there and Boston has sold out every prior AEW show very quickly.”



Meltzer

[drave]

The honeymoon phase with fans is over.

[Evil Vito]

I'm not surprised at this point. They're mostly going into buildings they were already in earlier in the year, and the booking has taken a significant downturn since their last visit.

With the booking as it is now, I don't blame anyone for not wanting to buy tickets without having a card. Most Dynamites are not a Grand Slam deal where you know they're gonna stack it.

[Evil Vito]

I skipped on Bridgeport tickets for the same reason. It's the go-home show before Full Gear. What's the betting most of the big names DON'T wrestle?

If the card ends up looking good, I can buy a cheap seat a day or two before. But I see no reason to pay full price to lock down great seats for a show that could very easily be skippable.

[ron the dial]

i am skipping the thanksgiving dynamite knowing it will probably be a dud. unless my friend buys me a ticket like last year. i'll go for free.

[drave]

I'm not surprised at this point. They're mostly going into buildings they were already in earlier in the year, and the booking has taken a significant downturn since their last visit.

With the booking as it is now, I don't blame anyone for not wanting to buy tickets without having a card. Most Dynamites are not a Grand Slam deal where you know they're gonna stack it.

I skipped on Bridgeport tickets for the same reason. It's the go-home show before Full Gear. What's the betting most of the big names DON'T wrestle?

If the card ends up looking good, I can buy a cheap seat a day or two before. But I see no reason to pay full price to lock down great seats for a show that could very easily be skippable.






Would you like Mr. Nerfect to serve your shit sammich hot or cold? :p

[drave]

i am skipping the thanksgiving dynamite knowing it will probably be a dud. unless my friend buys me a ticket like last year. i'll go for free.




new muthafuckin slipknot RTD

[Mr. Nerfect]

The chickens coming home to roost.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Please, drave — I take no pleasure in being right. Again.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Seriously, we all want an alternative. I’ve been down on AEW longer than most, granted, but everyone wants wrestling to be better.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Also, lol at Meltzer — you don’t need to have Rampage in your country to know it’s the drizzling shits.

[drave]

Sure ya don't ;)


I bet you wouldn't wanna honk Toni Storm's titties either eh?




Seriously though, it's always been this way, it was just the "new car smell" that was blocking a lotta bad outta people's minds.


I've loosely watched it from the start, and they occasionally do have some bangers, but there seems to be zero consistency and WTF bookings. They fix those two issues, they'll be okay.

[Evil Vito]

Would you like Mr. Nerfect to serve your shit sammich hot or cold? :p

I don't read his posts so dealer's choice I suppose.

[Evil Vito]

I bet you wouldn't wanna honk Toni Storm's titties either eh?

Not much to honk :(

DAT ASS, tho

[Maluco]

Who would have thought that a wrestling promotion booked solely by an over excited fan with no experience would turn into a confusing mess.

[drave]

I don't read his posts so dealer's choice I suppose.




With the post you made regarding the shortcomings of AEW, you kinda (inadvertently ofc) parroted his posts about AEW for the past 6 months or so.

[drave]

Who would have thought that a wrestling promotion booked solely by an over excited fan with no experience would turn into a confusing mess.




He needs to sober up and get a booking team.

[slik]

was bound to happen when you keep going to the same cities, he needs to go to different cities


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[Evil Vito]

With the post you made regarding the shortcomings of AEW, you kinda (inadvertently ofc) parroted his posts about AEW for the past 6 months or so.

I mean that's not saying much. He literally gave up on AEW after their first show and has never relented.

Pretty clear AEW's been on a downward trend this year. I might not be quite as down on it as many on this board (Dynamite sucked this week though) but it's noticeably worse. Khan's worst booking tendencies are never reigned in.

[xrodmuc316]

was bound to happen when you keep going to the same cities, he needs to go to different cities


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Here is the BIG secret AEW ignores. They have steadily decreased their fanbase. All the bluster about doing million dollar gates is a false equivalence to actually being more successful.

Look at Arther Ashe last year, they drew 5000+ more people. Just because they are price gouging their most loyal fans does not mean the business is growing.

Yes, the purpose is to make money, but AEW hypes the gate gross, but gross doesn't mean anything. Even with a higher gross and 5000 less fans, did they Net more than last year's Arthur Ashe? Did they Net anything?

How many new people have been added to the payroll since last year? AEW's payroll in 2022 is certainly higher than it was in 2021. Tiny said last Arthur Ashe was close to a million, how close? How much above that mark was this year's show?

5000 less fans.
Much higher payroll.
Grossed maybe $100,000 more.

For a guy who is ALL about numbers and stats, he sure expects everybody to ignore basic metrics so he can pretend to his daddy that he is a good businessman.

[Evil Vito]

Since they're going to Seattle for the January 4 Dynamite, what they really ought to do is hit up Portland for January 11 and Vancouver on January 18th.

If the main reason behind their lack of West trips is logistics, it makes sense to hit up the northwest while they're already up there. Find a place around there to store the equipment so you don't have to schlep it back to Florida every week. Gets you 3 potential new markets you're visiting, hopefully 3 nice gates, and also helps with the issue they've run into of running the same places too close together.

There might be more "major" towns in the east but they are so close together you're drawing from essentially the same audience. A Baltimore audience is weakened by DC and Philly shows. NYC/Long Island/Newark will mostly have the same audience, etc.

When you burn out friggin Chicago from visiting too often, you're doing something wrong.

[ron the dial]

When you burn out friggin Chicago from visiting too often, you're doing something wrong.
:wavesad:

[ron the dial]

the fact that i missed all out this year and had no problem with that when the year before was one of the hottest wrestling shows i've been to is wild

[weather vane]

I don’t understand why they don’t go to other markets? Go to like the same 7 places..

[ron the dial]

i understood the reliance on chicago at the beginning because it's a solid wrestling area in a centralized location with a major transport hub that people from all over can come through. you can count on chicago itself to buy tickets and show up. but when i heard the rumors earlier this year that maybe all out was going to be in toronto i was actually relieved. the only reason i want them to keep running all out in hoffman estates is that gcw runs their weekend of shows, and that is fun.

[Evil Vito]

I don’t understand why they don’t go to other markets? Go to like the same 7 places..

When they first got back on the road I assumed part of it was out of concern that the west coast (specifically California) would be more likely to have stringent COVID protocols that would shut events down in the event of another outbreak. But we're obviously far beyond that now, nothing is closing and we're just "gonna live with it" forever.

So then I figured it had to be a matter of logistics. Which, fair....moving a ton of equipment, rigging etc gets expensive if you have to bring it back to the Florida hub every week.

But that's why you need to invest in getting some form of storage facility in each region so you can do loops out there instead of visiting the same places in perpetuity.

[xrodmuc316]

I am just going to pat myself on the back for this one :rofl:

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[Mr. Nerfect]

Saraya is melting the fuck down on Twitter.

[Mr. Nerfect]

AEW has always sucked. I can’t confirm if it’s gotten worse or not, but coasting on not being WWE was always going to wear thin at some point.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Run whatever markets you want. The same fans who liked this shit then like it now — well, even less. It’s a band-aid on the problem of them sucking.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Just a reminder: They pulled PAC vs. Page from their first show because they didn’t know how to get around PAC being champion of a Japanese indy promotion. Their first match was a Battle Royal that featured Glacier competing for a World Title shot.

They had Adam Page and Kip Sabian go 20 minutes on PPV and had a three-way match for a shot at getting a bye in a tournament (what?). They also had Street Fighter moves sold in the main event of a show. And Marko Stunt open one. This is all before they got to television.

They are arrogant assholes who do not care about insulting the intelligence or sensibilities of the viewer.

[Sepholio]

lol Dynamite getting a 15 minute overrun next week. Queue the hype machine.

Also wtf we just had Grand Slam and now its already Battle of the Belts Rampage next week. Ridiculous.

[Mr. Nerfect]

They hit the “special shows” a lot because they’re desperate.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

lol Dynamite getting a 15 minute overrun next week. Queue the hype machine.

Also wtf we just had Grand Slam and now its already Battle of the Belts Rampage next week. Ridiculous.

Hornswoggle debuts in the biggest moment in Dynamite history!

[Mr. Nerfect]

Hornswoggle debuts in the biggest moment in Dynamite history!

Swoggle’s actually already debuted in AEW. :lol:

[xrodmuc316]

To WWE Fans "Tribalism in Wrestling is weird"
To AEW Fans "YAY NOW I HAVE A BOSS WHO LISTENS, FEDBAD LOVEME!!!!!"

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Battle of the belts is a weak show and they killed it by not running Page v Danielson on it the first time to make it feel important.

AEW ignoring the entire west coast is why their attendance sucks. They’ve had one California show. You’d think, like Vito said, they’d just do a tour of the area. California, Oregon, Washington, Arizona, Nevada, etc.

You can’t create demand for your product if your product is regularly and routinely available.

Also, Tony needs a booking team. Identify the guys you want featured, the guys you want elevated, and the guys who do the jobs and let the coaches help line up the stories.

Feels like the minute Page won the world title, the long term booking took a shit. There wasn’t any clear next in line champion, so they did a face v face angle to get the belt to Punk, when in reality it should’ve been MJF being next in line followed by his story with Punk. Hindsight is 50/50 I know but Punk’s first title win should’ve been in Chicago 1 year after he returned.

[xrodmuc316]

Battle of the belts is a weak show and they killed it by not running Page v Danielson on it the first time to make it feel important.

AEW ignoring the entire west coast is why their attendance sucks. They’ve had one California show. You’d think, like Vito said, they’d just do a tour of the area. California, Oregon, Washington, Arizona, Nevada, etc.

You can’t create demand for your product if your product is regularly and routinely available.

Also, Tony needs a booking team. Identify the guys you want featured, the guys you want elevated, and the guys who do the jobs and let the coaches help line up the stories.

Feels like the minute Page won the world title, the long term booking took a shit. There wasn’t any clear next in line champion, so they did a face v face angle to get the belt to Punk, when in reality it should’ve been MJF being next in line followed by his story with Punk. Hindsight is 50/50 I know but Punk’s first title win should’ve been in Chicago 1 year after he returned.

Punk's 1st title win should have come before he got embarrassed in UFC. Yes I know AEW wasn't around then, but after UFC Punk should have never been given a top championship.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I never thought Punk needed the belt. Thought it suited Danielson more. Punk was coming back because a spark had been re-ignited. I bought him having matches with guys like Darby Allin and MJF to take them to the next level. Danielson was already a main event level wrestler. He should have come to AEW for the gold.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Danielson should have beaten Omega. Page could have gone to draws with him and the like.

[Fignuts]

People can rip on Jericho being ROH champ all they want, but that title hasn't been this interesting in over a decade.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It hasn’t been this interesting, but it isn’t that interesting.

[XL]

PAC vs Trent for the All Atlantic Championship at Battle of the Belts. Game changer.

[xrodmuc316]

Anybody remember Miro? What ever happened to that guy?

[Mr. Nerfect]

PAC vs Trent for the All Atlantic Championship at Battle of the Belts. Game changer.

Why? Are they even trying with that slot?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Anybody remember Miro? What ever happened to that guy?

Long-term storytelling.

[Sepholio]

lol Andrade putting his AEW career on the line vs Vances mask at Battle of the Belts.

What career, Andrade? Does he lose the freedom to stand around in catering if he loses or something?

[Mr. Nerfect]

I’ve got a trivia question for you. What connects:

* Alex Reynolds
* Alex Shelley
* Andrade El Idolo
* Brody King
* Buddy Matthews
* Cash Wheeler
* Chris Sabin
* CM Punk
* Dante Martin
* Darby Allin
* Dax Harwood
* Hikaru Shida
* Jade Cargill
* Jamie Hayter
* John Silver
* Kenny Omega
* Malakai Black
* Matt Jackson
* Miro
* Nick Jackson
* Rush
* Sting

[Mr. Nerfect]

lol Andrade putting his AEW career on the line vs Vances mask at Battle of the Belts.

What career, Andrade? Does he lose the freedom to stand around in catering if he loses or something?

I hope Andrade loses and does a celebratory dance on his way out.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I’ve got a trivia question for you. What connects:

* Alex Reynolds
* Alex Shelley
* Andrade El Idolo
* Brody King
* Buddy Matthews
* Cash Wheeler
* Chris Sabin
* CM Punk
* Dante Martin
* Darby Allin
* Dax Harwood
* Hikaru Shida
* Jade Cargill
* Jamie Hayter
* John Silver
* Kenny Omega
* Malakai Black
* Matt Jackson
* Miro
* Nick Jackson
* Rush
* Sting

You can push this list out to include:

* Angelo Parker
* Eddie Kingston
* Hook
* Kip Sabian
* Ortiz
* Ruby Soho
* Tomohiro Ishii

[Mr. Nerfect]

AEW lost their TV deal in Mexico, the Caribbean, Central America and South America (except for Brazil).

[xrodmuc316]

AEW lost their TV deal in Mexico, the Caribbean, Central America and South America (except for Brazil).

Not just a random TV network either, it was cancelled due to low ratings by the owner of the Latin American channel Space, Space of course being owned by...

DUN DUN DUNNNNN Warner Brothers Discovery :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

The same company that is going to give Tiny a 400% increase in TV Rights because, they will SHUT UP!

[Mr. Nerfect]

To be fair, these auxiliary deals could be conducted completely independently. Cutting AEW in Latin American countries could be a logical insular move. But it’s crazy how people are trying to push this to the side like it isn’t a bad thing, or that it isn’t indicative of AEW’s declining (or just consistently too low) popularity. This thing ain’t hot sauce.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The latest tactic seems to be attacking people who are reporting this with projections of doomsaying and a penchant for conspiracies.

“Ooh, the sky is falling! AEW is going to be dead guys! Warner Bros Discovery hates AEW! You read it here first!”

I’m glad those voices have largely been silenced on here, because that’s disingenuous.

[Vastardikai]

I hope Andrade loses and does a celebratory dance on his way out.

I hope he makes another reference to Kenny Omega playing with kids in Japan.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I hope he makes another reference to Kenny Omega playing with kids in Japan.

Did he really? One of the easiest ways to get heat in AEW is to point out things The Elite have done.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Add Andrade to the list of talent that is main event level when he wants to sign with AEW but is an overrated hack when he wants out.

[Vastardikai]

Did he really? One of the easiest ways to get heat in AEW is to point out things The Elite have done.

He was hyping his AAA title shot against Omega when he made the remark. It was quickly deleted and he apologized. But his AEW push mysteriously ended around that time. And when the match came, Omega convinced Tony that he shouldn't lose two high profile matches in a row, despite one of them being on a show most Americans have never heard of.

[Mr. Nerfect]

He was hyping his AAA title shot against Omega when he made the remark. It was quickly deleted and he apologized. But his AEW push mysteriously ended around that time. And when the match came, Omega convinced Tony that he shouldn't lose two high profile matches in a row, despite one of them being on a show most Americans have never heard of.

Well that doesn’t surprise me. Insidious bastards that lot.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It’s unusual to wake up in the morning without discovering that someone in AEW has made an ass of themselves.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Wait a minute: Preston Vance just dedicated a match he is going to lose to Brodie Lee.

[Mr. Nerfect]

And Jericho is doing press, which is always embarrassing.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Remember when we all respected Jericho? I don't think you can take away from his body of work at all--IMO he's earned his status. But dear god what a fucking goof.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think he’s tarnishing his rep slightly. It’s crazy what the internet thinking you’re a good wrestler will do for excuse-making. His 2008 work was really good. I don’t think he can damage that. Stuff like 1998 Jericho is becoming harder for me to go back and enjoy because it’s just so self-indulgent and I can see where it’s leading.

There’s talent there, but he’s an overrated blow-hard that needed to cling to wrestling because he couldn’t get into the mainstream.

[xrodmuc316]

Say what you want about Jericho, but in terms of main eventing Wrestlemania...

Jericho - 1
Phil - 0

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah, but that main event was a dud. And we used to look the other way on Jericho’s involvement in it, but he did kind of stink out the joint for a long time there.

[Lock Jaw]

Wasn't a huge fan of face Y2J Jericho.... Heel Jericho has always been great...

[Mr. Nerfect]

It doesn’t make sense that Jericho is allowed to just run roughshod over non-wrestling personnel. Wouldn’t Tony Khan just strip him of the belt? Why wouldn’t some babyfaces stand up to Jericho? Samoa Joe is not only a former ROH World Champ, but he’s also the current TV Champ. With Jericho saying he’s going to take a massive dump over ROH, why wouldn’t Joe just say “hold my beer” and go and choke out Jericho?

Plus, the current thing is that Joe and Wardlow are buddies. Wardlow is also buddies with FTR, who are the ROH Tag Champs. Wardlow also hates Chris Jericho. So why wouldn’t Joe, Wardlow & FTR all march to the ring with The BCC and stomp the shit out of Jericho and his lackeys?

The faces are going to be lining up like a cartoon villain’s henchmen and getting knocked out by Jericho because…they’re stupid? They’re scared of him?

This is burying everyone lol.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Jericho as ROH Champion could be the best thing for the belt. He’s kind of the perfect choice for a weasel to hide behind the belt and also act like he’s a big shot as the champion of a dead promotion that is eventually forced to defend the belt against someone who is going to bring life to it. I imagine the end bit is how Jericho has sold him stomping out everyone, but he’s shitting on everything and everyone in the meantime.

Danielson should want to wrestle Chris Jericho, not the other way round.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Ah, I think I know what is going to happen in Andrade/Vance:

Vance is going to win. They can’t be stupid enough to have Vance lose in a match dedicated to Brodie Lee and not have Andrade leave after he’s talked the trash. They’re counting on Andrade needing to jump through hoops and be a good boy because they’re hiding behind Brodie. He wouldn’t dare bury a guy on the way out in a Brodie segment. Right?

Andrade probably has an NDA attached. Vance will unmask on Dynamite willingly because Brodie always told him he would know when the time was right.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol, Meltzer is trying to spin AEW being dropped across Latin America as a good thing and their choice.

[slik]

TK has no control over his talent...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">YOU didnt say shit to me you liar but heres some truth you ungrateful prick You would be jobless if it wasn’t for your dad in law. Are you really mad at me or mad at yourself for failing to get over for a SECOND time. Just go back to Wwe like we all know you want to do &amp; fuck off <a href="https://t.co/licsudpp6o">https://t.co/licsudpp6o</a></p>&mdash; Samuel Guevara (@sammyguevara) <a href="https://twitter.com/sammyguevara/status/1577312062547501056?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 4, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[drave]

2nd time they will waste a solid angle

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Yep they’ll just get suspended or something dumb and the company will just look as stupids as it’s been looking.

[drave]

Guevara is shit, Andrade is shit.




They can both fuck off and no one would notice or care.

[slik]

The funny thing is I'm sure the Jaguars shave some social media behavior policy he could just copy for AEW

[Sepholio]

lol Andrade snapped back and said he'll tell Sammy to his face again on Wednesday and he bets Sammy wont have nothing to say lmao

[ron the dial]

fucking idiot babies

[xrodmuc316]

LOL people were speculating Sammy was talking about Shawn Spears, and that he was on his way out of AEW. Kind of funny it was Andrade out of nowhere, but it is always the same people.

Eddie Kingston and Sammy both seem to cause WAY more drama than they are worth. At this point, AEW has likely already got the most they were going to get out of either, but Tiny will not take any real action like always (unless either was black, then they would be gone real quick).

[xrodmuc316]

The funny thing is I'm sure the Jaguars shave some social media behavior policy he could just copy for AEW

LOL the same social media policy that led to a pro bowler mocking Tiny outright? :rofl:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Since your feeling might today let’s both let the world in on the truth. We been had a discussion that the chargers game was my last game. Yet you try to back door the situation without answering any of my camps calls. Smh you spoiled bra.. holding up people for no reason ��</p>&mdash; Yannick Ngakoue (@YannickNgakoue) <a href="https://twitter.com/YannickNgakoue/status/1252286570977210373?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 20, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just trade me . I don’t need the speech ��</p>&mdash; Yannick Ngakoue (@YannickNgakoue) <a href="https://twitter.com/YannickNgakoue/status/1252293194563440640?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 20, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[ron the dial]

SIR

[xrodmuc316]

Ricky Starks #1 right now! :lol:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ricky Starks deleted this tweet immediatly. But safe to say, TK should shut them all up and giving them a proper pep talk. This is getting REALLY annoying atm.... <a href="https://t.co/pxCy89Ooqe">pic.twitter.com/pxCy89Ooqe</a></p>&mdash; Banschey (@Banscheyy) <a href="https://twitter.com/Banscheyy/status/1577321605621026821?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 4, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ricky Starks should not have deleted this because when I tell you I was HOWLING �� <a href="https://t.co/6xJKkfozFk">pic.twitter.com/6xJKkfozFk</a></p>&mdash; Jack Crosby (@JCrosbyCBS) <a href="https://twitter.com/JCrosbyCBS/status/1577319200405831683?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 4, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Sepholio]

ABSOLUTEly killing it.

[xrodmuc316]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I was there and can confirm this “incident” happened.<a href="https://twitter.com/AndradeElIdolo?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AndradeElIdolo</a> gave an honest interview about his thoughts on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEW</a> , his upcoming <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/aewrampage?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#aewrampage</a> match with his AEW career on the line and more.<br><br>Good thing (no one) in AEW can translate Spanish to English.<br><br>UNCENSORED. 🫢 <a href="https://t.co/qCMFseHQTO">https://t.co/qCMFseHQTO</a></p>&mdash; JoseTheAssistant (@JoseAssistant) <a href="https://twitter.com/JoseAssistant/status/1577310451905728512?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 4, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">that's all i said!! But I’m <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Tranquilo?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Tranquilo</a> <a href="https://t.co/JYERmHs2c4">https://t.co/JYERmHs2c4</a></p>&mdash; “EL IDOLO” ANDRADE (@AndradeElIdolo) <a href="https://twitter.com/AndradeElIdolo/status/1577314098735374338?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 4, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

:rofl:

[XL]

I still don’t understand how Twitter works. Was Andrade responding to Sammy or the other way around?

[ron the dial]

the exchange slik posted is sammy replying to andrade.

[XL]

And Andrade’s tweet was the start? Seems like a reply to something.

[ron the dial]

it was the start of that particular twitter exchange at least. xrod, please post things from reddit to fill everyone in.

[ron the dial]

oh wait i think he did. andrade interview where he essentially calls sammy a bitch it appears.

[ron the dial]

"even the miz likes to throw strikes"

[slik]

The timing of this

:rofl:


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sammy Guevara: There's So Much Drama In Wrestling, It's Really Exhausting <a href="https://t.co/xlnIPIpoTm">https://t.co/xlnIPIpoTm</a></p>&mdash; Fightful Wrestling (@Fightful) <a href="https://twitter.com/Fightful/status/1577377282729332736?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 4, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Mr. Nerfect]

#SloppyShop

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol at them using “fuck off to WWE” as an insult. I’m sure almost all of them would if they could.

This implosion was always going to happen. Obvious mismanagement from the start. Unprofessional behavior has been supported for a long time (how many times has Guevara done something stupid?). When the WWF started beating WCW in 1998, the wheels started falling off WCW sooner. The same thing is happening with AEW without the necessary turnaround too.

Couldn’t happen to nicer guys. What a hilarious mess.

[xrodmuc316]

And Andrade’s tweet was the start? Seems like a reply to something.

It all started online with Sammy's passive aggressive vague tweet:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">You are a jobber. A favor hire. Be grateful bitch.</p>&mdash; Samuel Guevara (@sammyguevara) <a href="https://twitter.com/sammyguevara/status/1577118236235091968?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 4, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Speculation from the sheets were that is was about Shawn Spears, until Andrade fired back.

https://www.ringsidenews.com/2022/10/04/shawn-spears-seemingly-says-goodbye-to-aew/

[Mr. Nerfect]

Sammy Guevara’s been hanging around with Chris Jericho too much. Using jobber as an insult? Wrestling needs jobbers. To use it incorrectly too. Is there much difference between Sammy and Andrade in terms of their placement on the card? In fact, it’s pretty safe to say that Andrade has actually enjoyed more career heights.

Sammy is going to wash out of wrestling, I think.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Sammy is one of the few guys who needs AEW because of his rape comments about Sasha Banks. He invited TK to his wedding (and the moron went). He needs them and acts like it’s the other round and that he’s something special.

[Mr. Nerfect]

As I’ve said in the past, Ricky Starks is going to be awesome in NXT.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Someone should explain to Tony, who has got no clue how people work, that the figures central to the drama aren’t always the only ones who want to leave in these circumstances. Sometimes people are frustrated at work and won’t say anything. There are lots of people who aren’t involved in any of this backstage bullshit that can’t wait to get away from it.

[screech]

Tired of Sammy Guevara

[#1-norm-fan]

The timing of this

:rofl:


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sammy Guevara: There's So Much Drama In Wrestling, It's Really Exhausting <a href="https://t.co/xlnIPIpoTm">https://t.co/xlnIPIpoTm</a></p>&mdash; Fightful Wrestling (@Fightful) <a href="https://twitter.com/Fightful/status/1577377282729332736?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 4, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

… IT’S WRESTLING!!!!

[Sepholio]

lol While being interviewed for "My Mom's Basement with Robbie Fox" on 10/3, TK was asked about the upcoming Andrade vs Vance match. This is what Tony had to say:

"Andrade is a terrible guy. If Andrade loses this match, he would leave AEW forever," stated Khan. "And frankly, you know, the way things have gone with Andrade and the way things have carried on, I think a lot of people might not mind that," he continued. "But it'll be an interesting situation to follow."

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I’d take Andrade over Sammy everyday if the week. But I’m also Mexican and I’m ridiculously bias. Nonetheless, this shit is stupid, and it’s the second time in about a month Sammy is getting into with somebody.

I’d be bummed to see Andrade go but they’ve done fuck all with him. I wouldn’t be sad to see Sammy go.

[Jordan]

I'd love to see a bunch of disgruntled AEW employee's hit their finishes on a rag dolled limp bodied/dicked Tony Kahn. He would go for a hug only to get hit with a rock bottom baby!

[Sepholio]

lol TK goes in for a hug, gets hit with a finisher, another guy comes out and saves him, TK goes in for a hug, gets hit with a finisher, another guy comes in...

Not gonna lie I would mark out. Make it like a 30 minute segment haha

[Sting Fan]

I have long appreciated TK staying off TV, it really allows you to tune him out if your not living on Twitter or Wrestling sites.

Im starting to wonder if he should get on TV and just be himself, mans a fucking heel heat magnet. One short interaction per week and bathe in the hate.

[xrodmuc316]

Tony Khan is a few short TV appearances away from being WCW Vince Russo, because he has no self control and is a weird fuck.

[Jordan]

So true

[Jordan]

It won't be long before Tony will be AEW Champion!

[XL]

It all started online with Sammy's passive aggressive vague tweet:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">You are a jobber. A favor hire. Be grateful bitch.</p>&mdash; Samuel Guevara (@sammyguevara) <a href="https://twitter.com/sammyguevara/status/1577118236235091968?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 4, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Speculation from the sheets were that is was about Shawn Spears, until Andrade fired back.

https://www.ringsidenews.com/2022/10/04/shawn-spears-seemingly-says-goodbye-to-aew/

Yeah that’s def about Spears :lol:

What prompted the attack on him though?

[drave]

Because Guevara is an insecure lil bitch. That's really it.

[xrodmuc316]

Yeah that’s def about Spears :lol:

What prompted the attack on him though?

A “Goodbye” GIF that Shawn Spears shared on Twitter was later removed. Apart from the deleted post, there is no further evidence that Spears is departing. Sammy Guevara tweeted shortly after that making a reference to the cryptic GIF


Just dirt sheet writers making guesses

[Sepholio]

Just saw an interesting theory as to why Daniel Bryan hasn't had a huge push in aew...he's the only guy to come in from WWE that doesn't do the obligatory fed bad promos and TK is holding him back because of it lol

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

That’s stretching it. I’ve heard Bryan say things in interviews that hints at this being exactly what he wants to do. I think he likes going out there and wrestling long matches and not doing much else.

[Evil Vito]

That’s stretching it. I’ve heard Bryan say things in interviews that hints at this being exactly what he wants to do. I think he likes going out there and wrestling long matches and not doing much else.

Yeah pretty much this. I've never gotten the sense he even wants to be champion at this point. He just wants to wrestle, bleed, and call it a career when his deal is up in summer 2024.

[Evil Vito]

I think Sammy Guevara has clear value but I don't know what it will take to get him to not pour gasoline on fires. Seems to think he's untouchable because of that "pillars" promo which doesn't help.

He's no more a pillar of AEW than Dolph Ziggler has ever been a pillar of WWE.

[Helmsphere]

Makes me glad WWE has the better version of Sammy in Austin Theory

[Sepholio]

Sammy Guevara is terrible. In every aspect. Cutting him loose would be a huge plus for AEW.

[Sepholio]

Sammy can't promo to save his life, they could do a whole miniseries on Botchamania dedicated to him, he has heat from the crowd and not because of his character, but because he's a cheating POS misogynist with an all time ego, and he seemingly gets tied up in more drama than Punk and The Elite combined.

He doesn't belong in AEW, or any serious promotion at this point. He is a liability. Hell he doesn't belong in the middle school gym wrestling federation. Can't think of anyone in AEW that is more trash at this point.

[xrodmuc316]

Nobody wants to say it, but do they even need Sammy now that they have Saraya? Not like ANYBODY would prefer Sammy over Saraya for the "sticking tongue out" gimmick.

[xrodmuc316]

"I see some of the stuff people say — and I always want to take anything in good faith from the fans — but I do see a lot of people, adjacent to the WWE, in bad faith talking about the level of build. Well, there's a lot of build around a lot of these matches, and it's also, go back and watch an old wrestling show from the 80s or 90s, and sometimes you'll see two wrestlers wrestling for a spot, wrestling for the win, winner's purse."



There really is something wrong with this guy :rofl:

[Mr. Nerfect]

Sammy Guevara fucking sucks. AEW fucking sucks.

[Mr. Nerfect]

There really is something wrong with this guy :rofl:

He’s got no clue. In the same interview he made a big deal out of the Observer Awards and said he’s gunning for Booker of the Year. It’s going to be hilarious the year the internet stops coddling him.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Nobody wants to say it, but do they even need Sammy now that they have Saraya? Not like ANYBODY would prefer Sammy over Saraya for the "sticking tongue out" gimmick.

Fire them both. Save a couple of mil and get two shitty performers off TV.

Do yourself a favor and look up “Lacey Evans coaches Sammy Guevara” on YouTube.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Sammy can't promo to save his life, they could do a whole miniseries on Botchamania dedicated to him, he has heat from the crowd and not because of his character, but because he's a cheating POS misogynist with an all time ego, and he seemingly gets tied up in more drama than Punk and The Elite combined.

He doesn't belong in AEW, or any serious promotion at this point. He is a liability. Hell he doesn't belong in the middle school gym wrestling federation. Can't think of anyone in AEW that is more trash at this point.

Great post. Only thing I disagree with is that there is lots of trash in AEW.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah pretty much this. I've never gotten the sense he even wants to be champion at this point. He just wants to wrestle, bleed, and call it a career when his deal is up in summer 2024.

Then speed it up for him and fire him now. This version of Bryan is useless and heartbreaking to see. No one cares about a Bryan Danielson that doesn’t matter.

[Mr. JL]

By all accounts Sammy Guevarra started this by posting it online first and then escalated it physically when he was the first to push Andrade (by this report accounts). Why the fuck was only Andrade being sent home?

[Mr. JL]

Also, Sammy Guevarra is maybe barely a notch more valuable than he was when he first started with AEW. If he disappeared today, it would not affect AEW much in the long term. He is just another flippy spot wrestler who cannot connect with the crowd unless he's paired with Jericho or his wife.

I find it remarkable that despite working with and alongside Chris Jericho for years he still just wants to be the guy who flips off the cage and threw a table by any "fatso" wrestler willing to fake throw him (Eddie Kingston).

Note: I fucking love Eddie, the fat part is just because its literally something Sammy has shoot worked said about Eddie.

[Mr. JL]

Also, it is kind of funny watching a 60 year old Billy Gunn completely absolve himself of his own sons in order to jump on The Acclaimed money bandwagon.

[Mr. Nerfect]

LolAEW

[xrodmuc316]

Speaking of LOLAEW

https://i.redd.it/ydmmnkp7n8s91.jpg

[Mr. Nerfect]

Hahaha, holy shit.

[Mr. Nerfect]

You want to say it’s fake, but with Tony Khan you never know. That is not a good thing.

[Sepholio]

LOL what a fucking clown.

[xrodmuc316]

100% real

https://www.ringsidenews.com/2022/10/06/tony-khan-claims-warner-bros-discoverys-corporate-philosophy-is-behind-repeated-shots-at-wwe/

[Sepholio]

Bryan Alvarez says that only one source on the Sammy/Andrade fight says there was any push from Sammy. Every other account apparently says Andrade walked up and sucker punched Sammy right in his stupid face.

[Sepholio]

Would explain why he went home and Sammy didn't.

[Sepholio]

Bandido has not been signed by AEW. He says that he is still in talks with them and has been in contact with WWE as well.