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[#1-norm-fan]

That being said, Punk doesn’t HAVE to be a transitional champion. He’s young enough and capable enough of working a full-time schedule where he can just BE the guy for a while. So if, God forbid, Wardlow doesn’t work out for whatever reason, they can just keep the title on Punk and not have to freak out and rush it onto a full-time guy who may not even be deemed worthy of a roster spot a year later and ends up in CYN. :shifty:

[XL]

Meltzer and Alvarez are now reporting that way more talent are open to leaving AEW if the situation becomes available. Meltzer is an AEW shill. He wouldn’t be reporting this if it didn’t have weight to it. He’s probably understating it.

AEW has really shot itself in the foot. This is what I’ve been talking about as mindless dolts get on me for rooting against wrestling or for the WWE or whatever. They only had a finite window to do this thing in. Now the young guys that can be stars are going to go to places where they can actually be stars. Soon the older talent is going to leave after being paid a cool couple of million and do their own ego projects or go back to Vince. AEW is going to be left without some key identity players. There will be no way for it to make back the money that has been sunk into it. Pulling the plug will make total sense.

This is what you asked for.

Depending on what they’re talking about here, people leaving is something that really needs to happen.

If it’s coming up to the end of the first set of deals and it’s more Janela’s leaving then that can’t be a bad thing in terms of “trimming some of the fat”. If it’s some bigger names, then again it’s going to create some space on the roster.

The roster is far, far too big to be serviceable and thinning it out will help refocus.

Obviously if it’s bigger names such as “The Pillars” or more of the EVPs it’s bad optics/more damanging for the brand overall.

[#1-norm-fan]

Yeah, for all the shit Tony gets for overcrowding the roster, he’s brought in a lot of good pieces while phasing out friends of Cody and the EVPs who never should have been there in the first place.

[xrodmuc316]

Depending on what they’re talking about here, people leaving is something that really needs to happen.

If it’s coming up to the end of the first set of deals and it’s more Janela’s leaving then that can’t be a bad thing in terms of “trimming some of the fat”. If it’s some bigger names, then again it’s going to create some space on the roster.

The roster is far, far too big to be serviceable and thinning it out will help refocus.

Obviously if it’s bigger names such as “The Pillars” or more of the EVPs it’s bad optics/more damanging for the brand overall.

Letting contracts of people who have not been on tv in a year does nothing to alleviate the problem on too many people, not enough TV. They had 50 wrestlers compete at the PPV. 50, that's not even counting everybody else who was there. Add in the managers and debuters and commentators, and that is over 60 people jammed onto one PPV.

Joey Janela not getting renewed is not opening up a spot for somebody else. The Forbidden Door PPV is likely to have half NJPW people, so even if they throw out the same number of matches and people, 25 AEW wrestlers are getting left off the card.

They need to cut a lot more than just trimming the fat off, they need to cut half of the roster before there will be any meaningful room to grow.

[Fignuts]

I saw the story about people seeing how cody is being treated and wanting to leave AEW.

That is a massive lapse of judgement on their part. Cody is not like anyone else in AEW. He began his career as a WWE guy. In many ways, he never stopped being a WWE guy. Thats what made him stand out in ROH, NJPW, and AEW. You're talking about a guy who was born and bred in the WWE training program, and never lost or stopped using the fundementals learned there. Never picked up any bad indy habits, and only improved his work and overall image by leaps and bounds. One has to imagine that is a major factor in not only his return but also in how much hes been pushed. They trust him with this spot because he's been here before.

And we know enough about Vince to assume he respects Cody for betting on himself and accomplishing what he did outside of WWE. What have any of these other guys done that would be equally impressive to vince?

Cody is in a completely different universe from anyone else looking to get out, and if they think the machine will get behind them half as much as it has Cody, they're out of their minds.

Better to stick with the incompetent, yet more pliable billionaire you already have, rather than trade him for another who may just give you some horrible 90's gimmick and call it a day.

[xrodmuc316]

I saw the story about people seeing how cody is being treated and wanting to leave AEW.

That is a massive lapse of judgement on their part. Cody is not like anyone else in AEW. He began his career as a WWE guy. In many ways, he never stopped being a WWE guy. Thats what made him stand out in ROH, NJPW, and AEW. You're talking about a guy who was born and bred in the WWE training program, and never lost or stopped using the fundementals learned there. Never picked up any bad indy habits, and only improved his work and overall image by leaps and bounds.

And we know enough about Vince to assume he respects Cody for betting on himself and accomplishing what he did outside of WWE. What have any of these other guys done that would be equally impressive to vince?

Cody is in a completely different universe from anyone else looking to get out, and if they think the machine will get behind them half as much as it has Cody, they're out of their minds.

Better to stick with the incompetent, yet more pliable billionaire you already have, rather than trade him for another who may just give you some horrible 90's gimmick and call it a day.

Absolutely this, I do think there would be a few exceptions like Hangman or Wardlow, and maybe Omega is he got healthy and back in shape, but that is probably the extent of non ex WWE guys who would get a good spot with Vince.

That said, MJF would get a great spot as an occasional wrestler, but his spot would be somewhere between a Bobby Heenan manager type and a guy with a talk show spot to set up other matches by stirring the pot.

I also think there is a solid first AEW original to make the jump, whoever that ends up being, and I think MJF is smart enough to know that.

I also have to think cokehead Tony has to be afraid of another person leaving looking like a much bigger star with WWE's presentation.

Vince has done this before, he lets the competition "steal" a bunch of talent, bloat their roster with ex WWE guys, and then cherry pick a few disgruntled originals and leave the mark company with egg on their face.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Goldberg drew more in one year than Punk has done over an entire career. The apologetics will fly, but it’s the same principle. Put the belt on an older and more established guy because it’s the best thing you’ve got running. If you want to lob criticism at that, be fair.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Depending on what they’re talking about here, people leaving is something that really needs to happen.

If it’s coming up to the end of the first set of deals and it’s more Janela’s leaving then that can’t be a bad thing in terms of “trimming some of the fat”. If it’s some bigger names, then again it’s going to create some space on the roster.

The roster is far, far too big to be serviceable and thinning it out will help refocus.

Obviously if it’s bigger names such as “The Pillars” or more of the EVPs it’s bad optics/more damanging for the brand overall.

100% agree with this. Unfortunately for AEW I think it will be MVP and Kenny Omega moving within the next calendar year.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Are Adam Cole and Baker going to wear those Owen Hart titles? Will there be anyone on the roster without a title? Samoa Joe didn’t have his ROH title with him at the ppv, hope that’s all being phased out and off the show.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Lmaooooo at anybody reasonably believing any of the young guys in AEW are going to be stars anywhere else including WWE. The WWE themselves can’t make any stars and the one they had flopped for years until they finally turned him heel, and even then their incompetent owner couldn’t build a new star for Roman to put over, thus creating a second star and not being overly reliant on old farts 20 years past their peaks.

I love a lot of the talent in AEW, but the majority would be nobodies in WWE. Wardlow is probably the only guy I think Vince would go all in on because he’s big, good looking and athletic. Hobbs could have a shot for similar reasons, maybe. Nobody else on the ppv last night has any chance at being more than a midcard nobody in WWE.

As already mentioned, Cody is a far different and exceptional circumstance.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

The only way guys in AEW would have a real chance is if Triple H was running the show and that ship was nuked a long time ago.

[Fignuts]

Goldberg drew more in one year than Punk has done over an entire career. The apologetics will fly, but it’s the same principle. Put the belt on an older and more established guy because it’s the best thing you’ve got running. If you want to lob criticism at that, be fair.

Right, but we're not talking about Goldberg coming back to have thrilling 2 minute sprints with Brock Lesnar.

We're talking about the Goldberg who almost paralyzed Undertaker, put on numerous stinkers, and at that point didnt really do much to move the needle.

[#1-norm-fan]

I love a lot of the talent in AEW, but the majority would be nobodies in WWE. Wardlow is probably the only guy I think Vince would go all in on because he’s big, good looking and athletic.

And as soon as the crowd got behind him as a badass he’d come out on Raw with glasses and a pocket protector as Wardlow’s intellectual twin brother Peacelow because he likes to have fun.

[Destor]

Right, but we're not talking about Goldberg coming back to have thrilling 2 minute sprints with Brock Lesnar.

We're talking about the Goldberg who almost paralyzed Undertaker, put on numerous stinkers, and at that point didnt really do much to move the needle. goldberg could paralyze a mark and it would still be better business.

[Fignuts]

Did ratings and profits skyrocket last time he showed up? Cause I don't remember people really givving a shit.

They pop for the entrance, cause thats still cool. But I feel like once the match starts everyone is like "Oh. Right."

[Mr. Nerfect]

Right, but we're not talking about Goldberg coming back to have thrilling 2 minute sprints with Brock Lesnar.

We're talking about the Goldberg who almost paralyzed Undertaker, put on numerous stinkers, and at that point didnt really do much to move the needle.

We’re not talking about a CM Punk who mattered for a month in 2011 either. What needle is Punk moving? Interest in AEW is going down, not up. Goldberg does make an impact on the ratings and is part of their Saudi deal which makes them millions upon millions of dollars. CM Punk sells maybe 20k t-shirts.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Did ratings and profits skyrocket last time he showed up? Cause I don't remember people really givving a shit.

They pop for the entrance, cause thats still cool. But I feel like once the match starts everyone is like "Oh. Right."

The internet fans are not indicative of the wider audience.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Do a Google trends search between the two. Of course CM Punk has the Rampage spike. But…yeah…

[Mr. Nerfect]

Goldberg’s colonoscopy footage is more valuable than CM Punk.

[#1-norm-fan]

Did ratings and profits skyrocket last time he showed up? Cause I don't remember people really givving a shit.

They pop for the entrance, cause thats still cool. But I feel like once the match starts everyone is like "Oh. Right."

Goldberg “draws” because people remember him drawing when wrestling was much more popular.

Putting his name on the marquee certainly means something (especially when no other stars have been built to compete with him) but its appeal is VASTLY overrated by certain people.

How much do you think his last run as champion ACTUALLY drew eyes to the product?

How much less money would the Saudi deal have ACTUALLY brought WWE if Goldberg weren’t available?

[Mr. Nerfect]

If you’re starting a wrestling promotion and you have a choice between CM Punk and Goldberg to be associated with it, don’t try and convince me you’d take Punk, lol. You wouldn’t build around Goldberg in 2022/2023, but you would absolutely kill for the attention and merchandising options he opens up for you. And the credibility.

Punk has longer dances. Good for him. That’ll appeal to a smaller percentage of people and you can get a bunch of younger people to do it better without the baggage of being a known bitch and malcontent.

[Fignuts]

The internet fans are not indicative of the wider audience.

Right, but they are the subject of the meme that this whole discussion is about. I don't know how drawing power entered the debate, because its irrelevant to the arguement.

I should have been clearer from the start, but the reasons some fans disliked Goldberg's more recent runs and title wins, are factors that aren't shared with CM Punk. In that sense, the meme, which is intended to label AEW fans as hypocritical, falls flat on its face.

Not saying Punk is a bigger draw than Goldberg or that there aren't hypocritical AEW fans.

Just saying that meme is hot garbage.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Right, but they are the subject of the meme that this whole discussion is about. I don't know how drawing power entered the debate, because its irrelevant to the arguement.

I should have been clearer from the start, but the reasons some fans disliked Goldberg's more recent runs and title wins, are factors that aren't shared with CM Punk. In that sense, the meme, which is intended to label AEW fans as hypocritical, falls flat on its face.

Not saying Punk is a bigger draw than Goldberg or that there aren't hypocritical AEW fans.

Just saying that meme is hot garbage.

I hear what you’re saying, but I don’t think you can separate why a promotion puts the belt on a guy in any situation. It’s to make money. It’s very cute to be like “well, technically Punk’s younger and does more moves,” but I think that is actually missing the point.

You don’t have to like the meme because you can distance the two, but there’s definitely a comparison to be made that is applicable to some. The irony of “Lol, WWE pushes old guys!” wasn’t lost on me when Chris Jericho was champion either.

[Mr. Nerfect]

We’re just going to have to agree to disagree on this, Fignuts lol

[Fignuts]

I still think the meme is 3 days old, spoiled dumpster chicken.

Would have made more sense to replace Punk with beer belly jericho now that you mention it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Homeless Punk looks like he would scavenge for 3 day old spoiled dumpster chicken. Chris Jericho definitely did eat the chicken.

[#1-norm-fan]

I hear what you’re saying, but I don’t think you can separate why a promotion puts the belt on a guy in any situation. It’s to make money. It’s very cute to be like “well, technically Punk’s younger and does more moves,” but I think that is actually missing the point.

Punk’s ability to carry the load separates him from Goldberg.

Goldberg won the title so that he could pass it on to Braun fucking Strowman.

The idea in both cases could have been to make money but that doesn’t make the situations comparable.

[xrodmuc316]

Did ratings and profits skyrocket last time he showed up? Cause I don't remember people really givving a shit.

They pop for the entrance, cause thats still cool. But I feel like once the match starts everyone is like "Oh. Right."

If we are talking money and ratings, Goldberg and WWE obliterate Punk and AEW.

Tiny can say whatever coked up thing he wants to pretend say he can say " LETS FUCKING GO", money from daddy is not income earned by AEW. AEW would be a hell of a front to launder money, alas just infusing outside funds to appear profitable does not make it so, even if the money was not from an illegal soirce.

[xrodmuc316]

Punk’s ability to carry the load separates him from Goldberg.

Goldberg won the title so that he could pass it on to Braun fucking Strowman.

The idea in both cases could have been to make money but that doesn’t make the situations comparable.

LOL what load is he capable of carrying? The help young guys get over by beating everybody and becoming champ in 9 months because the idiot owner is his biggest fan? The having a champ who would get his ass beat by the local gas station worker in every town they go to? The act tough on Twitter but disable comments because secretly he is a sensitive little bitch?

Carry those loads Phil, you super accomplished athletically skilled fighter, just don't let anybody talk about Mike Jackson, amirite???

[#1-norm-fan]

The act tough on Twitter but disable comments because secretly he is a sensitive little bitch?

Do you have a problem with people who act tough on social media but then shy away when confronted with reality?

Wanna talk about it?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Goldberg and Punk were put into different spots. Goldberg isn’t going to wrestle every week, but if he were a heel “where have all the real men gone?” with the belt or decided to pick up more dates because he wanted a proper “run,” then it does better business than Punk.

You don’t need to be in the ring for 20 minutes a week doing wristlocks to carry the load. You shouldn’t confuse “isn’t” with “can’t.”

[xrodmuc316]

Do you have a problem with people who act tough on social media but then shy away when confronted with reality?

Wanna talk about it?

I have never said I could beat up anybody, but ill go on the record right now, I could beat CM Phil in a fight. That dude is so bad he got tickled.

[slik]

Disappointing to hear

I believe he's been dating NXT's Duke Hudson for a few years so I'd assume that's who the battered party was


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jake Atlas was arrested on 5/23 in and charged with misdemeanor battery (domestic assault) on his partner of several years.<br><br>He was released from jail the same day he was arrested and is set to appear before Orange County, Florida court on 6/28,<br><br>- PWInsider <a href="https://t.co/3h5RAqbe7X">pic.twitter.com/3h5RAqbe7X</a></p>&mdash; WrestlePurists (@WrestlePurists) <a href="https://twitter.com/WrestlePurists/status/1531432189187043328?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 31, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[slik]

Yep, it was Duke Hudson (Vink)

https://i.postimg.cc/KcgXFc4w/DH.png

[xrodmuc316]

Disappointing to hear

I believe he's been dating NXT's Duke Hudson for a few years so I'd assume that's who the battered party was


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jake Atlas was arrested on 5/23 in and charged with misdemeanor battery (domestic assault) on his partner of several years.<br><br>He was released from jail the same day he was arrested and is set to appear before Orange County, Florida court on 6/28,<br><br>- PWInsider <a href="https://t.co/3h5RAqbe7X">pic.twitter.com/3h5RAqbe7X</a></p>&mdash; WrestlePurists (@WrestlePurists) <a href="https://twitter.com/WrestlePurists/status/1531432189187043328?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 31, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

How long has it been since he tore his ACL? It does not seem like that was long enough ago for him to be assaulting anybody.

[xrodmuc316]

Meanwhile, WORLD Champion...
https://i.imgflip.com/6i1waq.gif

[#1-norm-fan]

I have never said I could beat up anybody, but ill go on the record right now, I could beat CM Phil in a fight.

You have entirely too much confidence both physically and mentally.

[Sepholio]

I'd beat CM Phil in a fight no doubt.

Mainly because I have no honor and I would throw sand in his eyes and kick him in the balls. It's a fight, rules are for idiots and losers.

[Sepholio]

In fairness this all assuming that Philadelphia Brooks doesn't also fight dirty. He could always counteract my sand toss with a salt throw and then chop me in the Adams apple. I'd be boned then and also have more respect for CM Phil.

[xrodmuc316]

You have entirely too much confidence both physically and mentally.

He can't even flip into the ring,the fucking Bellas flip in backwards :rofl:

https://i.makeagif.com/media/4-13-2015/_bxCHf.gif

[Sepholio]

Take note fan because if we ever go one on one in the ring your perfect record will receive a permanent blemish.

You'll put your hands up and wait for the bell and I'll clap and a sandbag will fall from the rafters and knock you out. Boom. 2-1. Just like that.

[Sepholio]

He can't even flip into the ring,the fucking Bellas flip in backwards :rofl:

https://i.makeagif.com/media/4-13-2015/_bxCHf.gif

And they are way hotter than Punk too!

[xrodmuc316]

And they are way hotter than Punk too!

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY Hotter!

[xrodmuc316]

WORLD Champion...
https://i.imgflip.com/6i1waq.gif

Vs

IC Champion
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2a/e5/80/2ae5806bb2a3b828d1e4323493ed108f.gif

https://i.imgflip.com/6i24j2.jpg

[Sepholio]

lol @ the fan logo

[Mr. JL]

All I got to say is CM Punk better be dropping the title clean to a Nick Jackson, Rey Fenix, Darby Allin, Jungle Boy, MJF or a Orange Cassidy.

[XL]

Oof. Some horrible options right there.

[Sepholio]

I think AEW has kinda booked themselves into a corner with the world title right now. Most of the credible world title contender talents are all older ex wwe guys (Mox, Danielson, Cole, Black, PAC, etc) and Punk has already worked programs with some of them since his return. Omega still out, Page just dropped the belt, so taking them out of the conversation who else is there? Wardlow obviously, but do you pull the trigger on him so soon after he worked a program with MJF vs Punk? Maybe Jay Lethal? It seems real thin at the top over there.

WWE has a similar issue with a lack of true main event talent right now but they have a bunch of midcarders with enough credibility to shove into a main event feud if they need to.

[Sepholio]

I wonder if they thought they'd get a potential main event run out off Jeff Hardy at some point too when they signed him. Think that ship has probably sailed though.

[#1-norm-fan]

Having already beaten Xrod in a real fight despite executing 0 flips, I can tell you it’s a cakewalk.

Tony Khan could take him without breaking a sweat. The only bump he’d take is… well…

[Wehttam]

unless you have an injured acl, which should prevent you from hitting someone, by his logic.

[Crippla]

We’re not talking about a CM Punk who mattered for a month in 2011 either. What needle is Punk moving? Interest in AEW is going down, not up. Goldberg does make an impact on the ratings and is part of their Saudi deal which makes them millions upon millions of dollars. CM Punk sells maybe 20k t-shirts.

I agree with the point you are making but CM Punk "mattered" for more than a month in 2011 lol that is definitely an exaggeration. I do however think Goldberg even as shitty as he is now would be more of a draw than Punk as that seems to be an argument here. A lot of casual fans from the 99s who don't watch wrestling now would tune in to see Goldberg just off his name. Not saying that's a huge needle mover but his name does have value

[Jordan]

On Punk as the lead guy... look there was only one Hogan. WWF didn't have Hogan for over 3 years before they found their next solid leader in Austin. In WCW, before Hogan, the "lead guy" was usually Ric Flair whom like CM Punk, wasn't really a needle mover. Would he sell our certain buildings? Sure likely, would he have sold merch on a large scale had it been the focus? Probably... Very similar to Punk in the trajectory of his career.

Punk was a long term multiple time champion years ago, just like Flair was in WCW in the mid 90's.

Sure Punk isn't Roman Reigns but he's pretty much the best thing they've got as far as a guy with his own brand is concerned.

AEW already milked Jericho in the beginning for his leadership, he's still a huge deal for AEW and continually delivering but for main guy, Punk is the best choice. You might think Danielson but I have a feeling he's not "up" for that role, at least right now.

[Jordan]

I really look forward to seeing CM Punk try to pull off all the crazy spots Omega will put him through after the Hangman match. I expect a few flubs and lol's. I've always noticed that about Punk though, he isn't technically perfect at all. He is almost sloppy at times, however I've found it to kind of be a level of realism that I tend to enjoy.

In the MITB match with Cena I remember noticing that he was kind of sloppy on some of his moves and selling but it didn't look cookie cutter like everyone else and I appreciated that.

I actually rewatched the Hangman match yesterday because I was so tired when it was going live and it was great. The botched lariats really didn't matter and it just came off realistic to me.

[Sepholio]

Jeff Hardy has been pulled from this weeks Dynamite.

[Splaya]

They claim it was from the Darby Allin match. With if true, he needs to be off all shows until he's 100% moving forward.

[xrodmuc316]

Having already beaten Xrod in a real fight despite executing 0 flips, I can tell you it’s a cakewalk.

Tony Khan could take him without breaking a sweat. The only bump he’d take is… well…

When did it change to Tony Khan? Is he stepping in to defend Phil's honor? :rofl:

[Mr. Nerfect]

Jeff Hardy has been pulled from this weeks Dynamite.

As terrible as it is to say, I am glad it is because of injury and not because of a relapse.

[Mr. Nerfect]

On Punk as the lead guy... look there was only one Hogan. WWF didn't have Hogan for over 3 years before they found their next solid leader in Austin. In WCW, before Hogan, the "lead guy" was usually Ric Flair whom like CM Punk, wasn't really a needle mover. Would he sell our certain buildings? Sure likely, would he have sold merch on a large scale had it been the focus? Probably... Very similar to Punk in the trajectory of his career.

Punk was a long term multiple time champion years ago, just like Flair was in WCW in the mid 90's.

Sure Punk isn't Roman Reigns but he's pretty much the best thing they've got as far as a guy with his own brand is concerned.

AEW already milked Jericho in the beginning for his leadership, he's still a huge deal for AEW and continually delivering but for main guy, Punk is the best choice. You might think Danielson but I have a feeling he's not "up" for that role, at least right now.

Lol, I don’t know if this is you playing into your gimmick, but Flair was actually money. CM Punk is not money. He never was outside of merch (lol at Flair and merch).

[Mr. Nerfect]

I agree with the point you are making but CM Punk "mattered" for more than a month in 2011 lol that is definitely an exaggeration. I do however think Goldberg even as shitty as he is now would be more of a draw than Punk as that seems to be an argument here. A lot of casual fans from the 99s who don't watch wrestling now would tune in to see Goldberg just off his name. Not saying that's a huge needle mover but his name does have value

I’m exaggerating in the sense that he mattered because he was significantly pushed. But when you’re talking about the actual impact to business Punk made, that was greatly exaggerated by fans. By time you get to SummerSlam ‘11, the buys are actually down from the year previous. By about the buyrate of an AEW PPV.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Random idea: Will Hobbs should win the AEW World Title at Forbidden Door in Punk’s first major defense of the belt.

Have Hobbs win the shot suddenly and rekindle the issues with Punk from last year. He challenges in the middle of the show. Okada/Danielson main events. Hobbs doesn’t destroy Punk, per se, but outclasses him. He wins the belt and cuts a promo in the back about how they didn’t put him in the main event because they didn’t think he would win. CM Punk may be a snake trying to be an honest man, but he just proved “Best in the World” is a lie.

What does this achieve? It gets the belt off the polarizing Punk and onto a young guy that can be their star. It tells the story of a guy actually getting better and grabbing the brass ring. It puts a guy that WBD might see appeal in to a starring role and shakes up the entire creative vibe of AEW.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It also helps Ricky Starks and Hook’s status with the company.

[xrodmuc316]

CM Punk main evented like 2 PPVs the entire 434 days he was champion without Cena or Rock. That is in no way carrying the business or mattering the same way these PHIListines like to pretend he did.

[xrodmuc316]

Also, he is the worst MMA fighter of all time. Zack Gowen would destroy him.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Wade Keller’s said something about the MJF situation.

Apparently MJF was signed for an AEW starter deal for about $40k-$70. He got a raise at some point to make “a couple of hundred thousand.” There are a bunch of people in AEW who make four or five times what he makes. Two of the names mentioned were Malakai Black and Mark Henry.

So no new information, really — but holy fuck at Malakai Black making the big bank and basically being a goofy mid-carder. And at Mark Henry being paid so much to be a meme on Rampage.

AEW, folks.

[xrodmuc316]

Wade Keller’s said something about the MJF situation.

Apparently MJF was signed for an AEW starter deal for about $40k-$70. He got a raise at some point to make “a couple of hundred thousand.” There are a bunch of people in AEW who make four or five times what he makes. Two of the names mentioned were Malakai Black and Mark Henry.

So no new information, really — but holy fuck at Malakai Black making the big bank and basically being a goofy mid-carder. And at Mark Henry being paid so much to be a meme on Rampage.

AEW, folks.

Yeah, but they are making more now with CM Punk then they were before adding $50 million in payroll, according to Tiny Khan :roll:

[Mr. Nerfect]

CM Punk main evented like 2 PPVs the entire 434 days he was champion without Cena or Rock. That is in no way carrying the business or mattering the same way these PHIListines like to pretend he did.

He’s also whinging that the company kept him down. If Del Rio or Sheamus came out and said the same thing, how would they react?

CM Punk got opportunity after opportunity since about 2008. They put the big gold belt on him 3 times before he even cut the promo.

[xrodmuc316]

He’s also whinging that the company kept him down. If Del Rio or Sheamus came out and said the same thing, how would they react?

CM Punk got opportunity after opportunity since about 2008. They put the big gold belt on him 3 times before he even cut the promo.

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Yep!

[Mr. Nerfect]

Is there any way AEW is ever going to be able to make the money back on its expenses? When you think about how much they must spend on talent…holy shit. Then you’ve got stories about the video game being “severely” over budget. The head developer just left Yukes (to go and work for WWE 2k, funnily enough).

Why would Warner Bros Discovery pay them significantly more money? If they were pulling in significant advertising money with the ad revenue split, then they wouldn’t be scaling back their stages and be so much in the red.

I’ve also been reading about how their merchandise doesn’t make them much. They’d logically get about $2 million per PPV back. What sort of revenue stream is going to make AEW the money back?

It’s fucking bonkers.

[xrodmuc316]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

When Tony Khan needs to start making up for some of his losses and he starts doing blood money shows, do you think CM Punk works them and how quickly does he suck that dick?

[Mr. Nerfect]

I’m kidding — I don’t think there would be the interest in bringing in AEW to do a blood money show.

[Mr. Nerfect]

But that’s what I mean: This thing is too niche to even sell out.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Re: Jeff Hardy:

WWE don’t look like such idiots offering the guy a reduced contract when he pissed clean after they fired him for walking out, do they?

[Mr. Nerfect]

You need to get on top of this Jeff situation. It doesn’t have an easy fix though. When the guy is home, bored, that’s when he takes a lot of something and operates vehicles into trees. Giving him “time off” isn’t necessarily the best thing for him.

I think you’ve got to sit him down and give him the choice of a full release OR stay with the company in a different capacity. Road agent, ambassador — fuck, Jeff’s obviously never been a talker, but why not trial him as an announcer on Dark or Elevate as a challenge for him? He might have a subtle knack for it. Sometimes the best commentators aren’t anywhere near the best promos.

But he is a tragedy waiting to happen if they either burn him out or let him get bored. It’s a PR nightmare, and it’s not just them that eats it. WWE will be in the news that day too (which is why they’ve tried to babysit him over the years).

If Tony gets out early, he might not have any on him. And if it’s Jeff’s choice to go and kill himself on Impact? That says something about his mentality right there.

[ron the dial]

PHIListines
maaaaaan i'd love to pat you on the back for this but i know you're just a meme aggregator!

[xrodmuc316]

maaaaaan i'd love to pat you on the back for this but i know you're just a meme aggregator!

Naw, I got all the skills, memes are just the easiest way to get Fan to rep my wall :naughty:

[ron the dial]

so you didn't steal that term from reddit?

[xrodmuc316]

so you didn't steal that term from reddit?

I did not

[ron the dial]

i'm gonna have to pray on this, it doesn't feel right.

[#1-norm-fan]

Naw, I got all the skills, memes are just the easiest way to get Fan to rep my wall :naughty:

Hey, don’t put that shit on me. I’ve repped you just as much when you’ve posted an original thought. All three times.

[xrodmuc316]

Hey, don’t put that shit on me. I’ve repped you just as much when you’ve posted an original thought. All three times.

Here is an original thought, get off my nuts!

[#1-norm-fan]

:lol:

[ron the dial]

:rofl:

[Destor]

i do find the memes to be reductive...

[Destor]

100k is the shit post thread, ya know?

[xrodmuc316]

:lol:

https://i.imgflip.com/6i5v79.jpg

[#1-norm-fan]

i do find the memes to be reductive...

Get with the times old man. Making cogent points is for losers.

[#1-norm-fan]

:rofl:

[Sepholio]

Oh shit is that why you haven't made one in like 4 years?

[#1-norm-fan]

I’M NOT FIGHTING YOU, SEPH!

[Destor]

not sure if seph and fan have heat or if seph saw a zinger and took it

[Sepholio]

not sure if seph and fan have heat or if seph saw a zinger and took it

Definitely the latter.

That and when I see a pot I can't help but stir it.

[#1-norm-fan]

Lol I answered Destor in rep before seeing that post. I went “shit stirrer” over “pot stirrer” but still... Nice.

[Sepholio]

tbf the contents of the pot I'm stirring are most likely shit

[Sepholio]

So I just saw something about why MJF is so upset over the money that made me turn my head. No idea if it's true, but one of the examples that was given is that Mark Henry makes somewhere in the neighborhood of 3-4 times what MJF does and thats AFTER the one raise they did give MJF at one point.

Edit: Man if some of these numbers this dirty sheet is talking about are true I'd be PISSED AF if I was him too. They are saying MJF makes somewhere in the 250k range. There are quite a few guys there making in the millions, some of them apparently as high as 5 million (Punk and Bryan, think they said Mox too). That's fully 20 times what MJF is making. That's nuts.

[Destor]

MJF coming off the indies, with no name and no value outside of what they intended to build with him, wasnt making any real money. his first contract lets says its 80k. thats the first garunteed money he's ever had. so he gets over. they bump him to 250k. if he's actually smart he should be able to see the upward momentum. if plays his cards right and becomes truly indispensable then in time, say 5 years after they with his key role helping to elevate the product, he's holding down real money he can start putting away.

he's an important act for the quality of the show. but if we're talking return on investment he's got some ways to go to be pulling money like former wwfs guys are pulling. and for obvious reasons.

now he puts the office in a real tough spot. they cant pay the entire roster 5mill/a. the money isnt there to spend what theyre spending as is. this company is losing money afterall. so if they pay MJF they have nothing to barter with when contracts come up with the rest of the card.

he's made a scenario where they basically cant give him what he wants. it will cost them way too much.

[Destor]

should mark henry have a fat contract? fuck no. if you make a bad deal with one guy are you obligated to make bad deals with everyone else? MJF thinks so. and if they make one with him they really will have to make bad deals with everyone.

[Destor]

with how public he's made this you cant pay him. you need to cut him loose

[Sepholio]

I don't think he should be pulling money like the top guys, don't get me wrong. Def not 5 mill. But considering Henry supposedly makes 800k, MJF should be making a mill or so. Yeah it puts them in a tough spot but this guy is the top heel in the company and I imagine one of their biggest draws (using that term loosely because wrestling in general doesnt draw anymore). He gets way more media attention than others do and his name recognition is going up faster too.

Def don't give him the big money yet though, no way. Has to be a realistic compromise that is much closer to what he makes now than the number the top guys are at. Flat million is the highest I'd go for him right now. MAYBE a bit more if he did acquiesce and sign an extension. And not some 5 year thing that will have him in the same boat of being underpaid again down the line, but maybe say double his remaining contract. If he has 18 months left, now he has 3 years now instead, that'd be pretty fair. But I think it would be looked at favorably by talent if management showed willingness to renegotiate from time to time and pay people more when they clearly earn/deserve it.

[Destor]

i feel like 250k is about right. maybe give him a bonus structure that if his segments exceed X he gets X%. maybe cover a portion of his road fees. car rentals for example. give him some perks to show you value him. he's probably worth 450k or so but right now AEW needs to be super specific with how its money is spent. there's a lot of grey areas around the corner and they need to stave off as much hemorrhaging as they can. this company could very seriously bleed out. its not stable at all. give him a path to 450k over a 5 year period with incentives based on growth.

[Sepholio]

A lot of people compare this to Sasha and Naomi obviously. Which at the base level it is. Both parties signed contracts and now neither are happy with some part of the terms of that deal.

I'm not as sympathetic to them though because they are getting paid fairly, they just don't like creative and that's something I don't jive with. I hate when people are badly booked, but at the end of the day you gotta put on the program the boss wants because he signs your checks.

Another difference is that they walked out of RAW when they were booked in the main event, whereas MJF showed up to curtain jerk and got absolutely destroyed by Wardlow and written off of TV. He showed up and did his job; they didn't.

Also I really want AEW to pay him something and keep him around because I would prefer he stay in AEW where he shines in his role.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Does anybody know what WWE guys make when they get to the main roster? Mark Henry isn’t worth 800k. MJF maybe. He’s certainly a very big part of the show. He also wrestled very very little and the Wardlow match is easily the most he’s bumped in a match that I can remember since debuting in AEW, and that’s going to be a one off thing.

Destor is right though. There’s upwards trajectory for him and I still believe he’s going to be the guy at the end of the year or this time next year carrying the belt and getting to be the guy that takes it from Punk, which is the biggest win he’s currently going to be in position to get because there’s no chance in hell he’d ever get out over Roman.

So yeah, if he can stick it out and keep getting his programs over while staying red hot with his heat, there’s only more money to be made until he’s the top guy in the company. And that’s realistically only 4 PPVs away.

After that there’d be even more money in Wardlow chasing him for the belt into their eventual showdown 2 years from now. Two homegrown stars with history main eventing the company’s biggest show. And MJF will be the man at that point.

[Destor]

main roster enhancement talent after expenses are honestly going to have about 40k left over in real tangible money. travel isnt cheap. and after a year or so MJF in the wwf given his size isnt going to be getting much more than that.

[Sepholio]

i feel like 250k is about right. maybe give him a bonus structure that if his segments exceed X he gets X%. maybe cover a portion of his road fees. car rentals for example. give him some perks to show you value him. he's probably worth 450k or so but right now AEW needs to be super specific with how its money is spent. there's a lot of grey areas around the corner and they need to stave off as much hemorrhaging as they can. this company could very seriously bleed out. its not stable at all. give him a path to 450k over a 5 year period with incentives based on growth.

Realistically yes, I'd say 450-500k is what he's really worth. But TK has unfortunately inflated tf out of contracts over there to pull people from Vince. If Henry is making 800k, I wonder what Big Slow is making? Black, Andrade, Joe, The Bucks, Omega, Cole and a couple others sitting in the 3 million range. Jericho making 4. Then the guys making 5 I already mentioned. Who knows how many others they are paying a million+ with numbers like that. What I'm saying is that he's sitting really low on the totem pole of pay right now for being in the position he's in and even 500k in this environment is going to be low on the scale.

TK shot himself in the foot with those big contracts. He's gonna have to start cutting people loose. But do you really wanna lose your top heel?

[Destor]

Realistically yes, I'd say 450-500k is what he's really worth. But TK has unfortunately inflated tf out of contracts over there to pull people from Vince. If Henry is making 800k, I wonder what Big Slow is making? Black, Andrade, Joe, The Bucks, Omega, Cole and a couple others sitting in the 3 million range. Jericho making 4. Then the guys making 5 I already mentioned. Who knows how many others they are paying a million+ with numbers like that. What I'm saying is that he's sitting really low on the totem pole of pay right now for being in the position he's in and even 500k in this environment is going to be low on the scale.

TK shot himself in the foot with those big contracts. He's gonna have to start cutting people loose. But do you really wanna lose your top heel?
if you dont lose him you lose more money than you have. there's too many guys that want pay bumps. he's given the office no choice.

[Destor]

i respect a guy who demands to be respected. truly. but mjf has nowhere to go and he overplayed his hand.

[Sepholio]

I don't see how AEW gets MJF in the title picture at all, not any time soon. He has no credibility in ring atm at that level; they almost always book him to lose (or he has to win dirty or via interference). He just got flat out embarrassed. His record isn't going to get him a shot with the way they've booked so many others to have damn near spotless records of their own. So outside of them suddenly turning him into a badass submission machine that destroys people all of a sudden without his backup, what do you do to make him credible as a title contender again?

The only other way I can see them getting there within a year is if Wardlow wins the title and they have a rematch.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

A lot of people compare this to Sasha and Naomi obviously. Which at the base level it is. Both parties signed contracts and now neither are happy with some part of the terms of that deal.

I'm not as sympathetic to them though because they are getting paid fairly, they just don't like creative and that's something I don't jive with. I hate when people are badly booked, but at the end of the day you gotta put on the program the boss wants because he signs your checks.

Another difference is that they walked out of RAW when they were booked in the main event, whereas MJF showed up to curtain jerk and got absolutely destroyed by Wardlow and written off of TV. He showed up and did his job; they didn't.

Also I really want AEW to pay him something and keep him around because I would prefer he stay in AEW where he shines in his role.

I’m more sympathetic to Sasha, who’s been booked poorly for nearly her entire run, from hot shotting short title reigns, to being thrown into shoe horned teams and title runs. Sasha’s WWE run is the drizzling shits compared to what she did in NXT.

MJF meanwhile has been heavily protected, being pinned 4 times since debuting, and the lowest profile mande he’s put over is Wardlow.

I also don’t think they’re comparable. Unless something comes out that says otherwise, it seems MJF is concerned with his money and Sasha is over the booking. MJF doesn’t really have a leg to stand on when it comes to how he’s been handled creatively. He beat CM Punk twice in one night and as it stands holds the world champs only loss. He’s got nothing on that part to complain about.

[Destor]

I don't see how AEW gets MJF in the title picture at all, not any time soon. He has no credibility in ring atm at that level; they almost always book him to lose. He just got flat out embarrassed. His record isn't going to get him a shot with the way they've booked so many others to have damn near spotless records of their own. So outside of them suddenly turning him into a badass submission machine that destroys people all of a sudden without his backup, what do you do to make him credible as a title contender again?

The only other way I can see them getting there within a year is if Wardlow wins the title and they have a rematch.
if im being honest this sounds like the kind of booking id expect from a money mark

[Sepholio]

I'm honestly very interested to see how long they write MJF off TV for and especially what they do with him if/when he comes back. Will be very telling about how much they value him.

Imagine if they pull a WWE and just have him sit out his contract at home for the next 18 months.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Adam Cole got a title shot, 2 in fact, after losing to Orange fucking Cassidy. He’s not hurt by that loss. He could walk out tomorrow and get heat like nobody else on the roster and be ultimately unaffected by the loss to Wardlow.

He could also win a qualifying match, like a battle royale, ladder match etc. And Punk just won the title and isn’t likely to drop it until the end of the year. There’s more than enough time to build him back up and get him into the title picture.

[xrodmuc316]

I don't see how AEW gets MJF in the title picture at all, not any time soon. He has no credibility in ring atm at that level; they almost always book him to lose (or he has to win dirty or via interference). He just got flat out embarrassed. His record isn't going to get him a shot with the way they've booked so many others to have damn near spotless records of their own. So outside of them suddenly turning him into a badass submission machine that destroys people all of a sudden without his backup, what do you do to make him credible as a title contender again?

The only other way I can see them getting there within a year is if Wardlow wins the title and they have a rematch.

Tony Nese went into the PPV in the top 5. If they can book Tony Nese into the top 5, they can book literally anybody to be in the top 5.

Tony Fucking Nese :rofl:

[Sepholio]

Thats what I mean by there being a problem there. They have a ton of guys that they have positioned rankings wise and credibility wise ahead of MJF. He's gotta suddenly start having more matches and winning ALL of them because he is 1-4 this year. This is why I hate that stupid ranking system and how they go by that or HEY LOOK ANOTHER TOURNAMENT. And even in the tournament route, you'll kinda have to explain why it is that this guy who couldn't win shit without cheating can take down all these credible guys in a tournament outta nowhere. All of this is moot anyways until we know if/when he even comes back.

[Sepholio]

They have 60 guys with a better record than MJF in this years rankings lol.

[Sepholio]

my god I had no idea how big their roster really is until I looked at it. 105 guys. I think maybe only 100 really because a handful of them are people they didn't resign, but they are still listed.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

PAUL MUTHA FUCKIN TITAN IS ON AEW DARK BAY BAY

[Sepholio]

NUH UH NO WAAAAAI

[Sepholio]

OMG ITZ 4 REAL

[Sepholio]

Holy shit did you guys know that Paul Titan tagged with Lance Archer to win the RCW tag team titles? :o

[Mr. Nerfect]

MJF coming off the indies, with no name and no value outside of what they intended to build with him, wasnt making any real money. his first contract lets says its 80k. thats the first garunteed money he's ever had. so he gets over. they bump him to 250k. if he's actually smart he should be able to see the upward momentum. if plays his cards right and becomes truly indispensable then in time, say 5 years after they with his key role helping to elevate the product, he's holding down real money he can start putting away.

he's an important act for the quality of the show. but if we're talking return on investment he's got some ways to go to be pulling money like former wwfs guys are pulling. and for obvious reasons.

now he puts the office in a real tough spot. they cant pay the entire roster 5mill/a. the money isnt there to spend what theyre spending as is. this company is losing money afterall. so if they pay MJF they have nothing to barter with when contracts come up with the rest of the card.

he's made a scenario where they basically cant give him what he wants. it will cost them way too much.

I really respect your opinion, but I do have to disagree. I think the WWE are going to take him and use him way better than people expect. I think he’s got some sort of transmedial value (talk shows, talent search shows, albums, acting, etc.) and he’s going to be allowed to push buttons (within reason) that Vince and Bruce will be 100% behind. Cody’s got their ear, and I’m pretty sure Cody will want the next chapter with him in a stadium show, and MJF will probably be able to go over after saying all the trash he wants.

I don’t think he’s going to beat Roman Reigns at WrestleMania. Can I see him squeaking out a Money in the Bank and having a big gun at his side that gives him believable ways to cheat and helps build up another jacked-up guy they plan to bank on? Absolutely.

I legitimately think he will have a Hall of Fame worthy career (by their standards) by the time he’s done five years with them.

From the AEW side of things: I get that they don’t want to cave in and know he’s almost definitely going. But I think you want that guy on your TV and at least get the chance to re-up with him in 18 months. The landscape could be entirely different. WWE has their business ducks in a row, but their popularity might take a hit from an influx of people who see, say, The Rock for a WrestleMania thing and then hate the product or whatever. Vince could die. A scandal could break out. Someone gets sideways with them and jumps out of spite and opens them up. Hell, Tony might figure something out and AEW could get better.

I’d be working with him and letting him know “Okay, you think you’re leaving. But I’m going to make it so you get what you think you need right now and in 18 months it’s going to be worth it to stay with me.” And you get what you can put while he is important instead of just handing him off and risking him making them look like there’s another guy they squandered.

It being so public is awkward. But it shouldn’t have gotten to this point. In my opinion, this should have been a private conversation between Tony and MJF where Tony increased his deal, because he’s actually worth that. It’s not something you do for anyone unless they are making waves.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Thats what I mean by there being a problem there. They have a ton of guys that they have positioned rankings wise and credibility wise ahead of MJF. He's gotta suddenly start having more matches and winning ALL of them because he is 1-4 this year. This is why I hate that stupid ranking system and how they go by that or HEY LOOK ANOTHER TOURNAMENT. And even in the tournament route, you'll kinda have to explain why it is that this guy who couldn't win shit without cheating can take down all these credible guys in a tournament outta nowhere. All of this is moot anyways until we know if/when he even comes back.

The rankings were always a horrible idea. What you do is book people to look important and effective and don’t lean on numbers unless they enhance your story. If you make things too much about the numbers you get too tricky for yourself and need to start booking people up and down to position them better/worse instead of just actually telling the fucking story.

It’s an obstacle you are unnecessarily placing between yourself and your goals.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Anyway, I’m telling you guys — they should put the World Title on Hobbs at Forbidden Door.

Everyone is so stuck in their patterns. Being unpredictable isn’t necessarily a good thing, but when everything feels preordained, it gets this stench of fakeness. Sometimes guys and emerge and just take life by the balls.

AEW has the problem of being the “other wrestling.” It’s got its diehards who champion everything they do, but so many of them are plugged into WWE too. And it’s clear who the A1 guy in wrestling is. It’s Roman Reigns. So there’s no drama created in the idea that the AEW World Champion is possibly The Best in the World.

You need to find people with an appeal that you make stars. And they’re going to be way more effective if fans believe that there’s a chance they could just be A1.

Everyone is kept in their place and no one ever truly grows. Not in a seismic way. They tried telling the story that Adam Page “deserves” to be World Champion, but it was so badly booked and stunk of “it’s all part of the plan.” He hasn’t gotten any better so he’s still all potential with nothing that really ever shoots out of it.

Hobbs also has the history with Punk and would be standing there with Ricky Starks (who gets something out of it). It tells a story of growth. He couldn’t beat Punk six months ago but is now ready. He also gets to end Punk’s reign in dramatic fashion before it really takes off, which allows the hardcore fans to pick up on the irony of Punk being a guy that is known for holding another World Title for a really long time.

Sure, maybe it doesn’t work gangbusters. But what do you have to lose? Tell people that someone is a goddamn star instead of having everyone with “potential” remain potential until they “deserve it.” Everyone is constantly in this state of possibly being someone one day that no one ever becomes anything.

I’d give it a shot. See what shakes out of it.

Punk cuts a promo saying that he wants to give hungry young talent a chance. Hobbs wins some sort of Battle Royal or whatever. Everyone expects it to be Adam Cole or someone, maybe. He’s a shocker and a spanner in the works. “I ain’t losing to you again.”

Danielson and Okada get the Forbidden Door main event. Hobbs beats Punk in the middle of a show that a lot of people probably think is a routine defense. Hobbs goes to the back and celebrates with Team Taz and cuts a promo about how they didn’t think he would win because they didn’t book him in the main event. He proved them all wrong.

[drave]

All this talk about MJF is nonsense. Mark talk.




We need to be talking about Paul Fucking Titan god damnit. Everyone else is irrelevant, especially Bryan.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

PAUL MUTHA FUCKIN TITAN IS ON AEW DARK BAY BAY

Nice, how did our boy do?

[Lock Jaw]

Just checked it out.... Paul Titan remaining unpinned in both WWE and AEW.

[ron the dial]

paul titan lookin good out there!

[Damian Rey 2.0]

He looked great honestly. And they let him get some shine without eating the pin. Happy for him.

[Mr. Nerfect]

All this talk about MJF is nonsense. Mark talk.




We need to be talking about Paul Fucking Titan god damnit. Everyone else is irrelevant, especially Bryan.

Paul Titan can be MJF’s new bodyguard in WWE. They can eventually split and have a giant match at WrestleMania.

[drave]

Here's the Youtube (https://youtu.be/2KO_Q9-H5qQ?t=306) link where it shows our boy ROLLERFREAKINMACKA on the "tron"


and the embed of the entire show. Start it around 6:06


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[#1-norm-fan]

Loving the look.

[Crippla]

So Paul Titan is Rollermacka that posts here? Amazing

[weather vane]

MJF to speak tonight. Wild.

[Lock Jaw]

MJF Speaks Out

[#1-norm-fan]

… Is this for real?

[#1-norm-fan]

Well, damn.

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[#1-norm-fan]

The most “MJF” thing he could do is come out in a neck brace, go off on Wardlow for a bit and then leave as if there’s nothing else of note to talk about.

[Crippla]

Nice I will be here watching Dynamite tonight! I finally watched Double or Nothing...I didn't read through the thread to avoid spoilers but I enjoyed it and thought it was a decent PPV

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I bet it’s a pre-recorded promo.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Oh boy that’s gonna be good

[Frank Drebin]

I bet it’s a pre-recorded porno.

[Crippla]

I'm going to guess it will be a live promo and that you two are incorrect

[#1-norm-fan]

I’m leaning pre-tape too.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

That would suck but if its pre taped he’s absolutely getting written off for who knows how long.

[Mr. Nerfect]

MJF speaking out tonight is not that weird.

[xrodmuc316]

I will not be watching AEW as long as they have the weakest wimpiest could not win a real fight to save his life bitch but somehow I am supposed to believe he is the toughest guy they have and gets to be World Champion. No thanks

[ron the dial]

wait hold up you don't like cm punk?

[xrodmuc316]

wait hold up you don't like cm punk?

World Champion...

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[ron the dial]

something tells me you don't like cm punk but i'l have to spend more time looking into this to be certain.

[xrodmuc316]

something tells me you don't like cm punk but i'l have to spend more time looking into this to be certain.

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Bright Future indeed...

[ron the dial]

i know what the people making those posts think at least!

[xrodmuc316]

i know what the people making those posts think at least!

I refer you back to this.

I will not be watching AEW as long as they have the weakest wimpiest could not win a real fight to save his life bitch but somehow I am supposed to believe he is the toughest guy they have and gets to be World Champion. No thanks

He has no credibility, and I cannot just forget how thoroughly embarrassed he was in real fights. In the old days if a wrestler lost a bar fight, he would get fired from the Territory, but now it is just cool that a 170 pound guy with all the proof in the world that he cannot beat up anybody gets to pretend he can beat everybody because his boss is autistic and loves him?

It makes a complete joke out of the company, and that is why I dislike it. I am not even a fan of Hangman, but the eyeball test clearly would come up in his favor. How could a 170 pound guy who can't even do a flip with the help of the ring ropes compare to a 230 pound 30 year old? Its even worse when we all know that 170 pound guy is legit the worst at real fighting ever. A dude high on weed toyed with him for 15 minutes and left him a bloody crying mess.

That guy is supposed to be the best, lol come on.

[ron the dial]

bro i obviously know that it's all you post about ffs

[ron the dial]

but i don't know how you feel about tony khan... you got a few memes for that?

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Noid hates AEW and cumdorx hates CM Punk, but neither can stop talking about those things. It’s like the bigot homosexual who’s actually hiding in the closet.

[xrodmuc316]

Noid hates AEW and cumdorx hates CM Punk, but neither can stop talking about those things. It’s like the bigot homosexual who’s actually hiding in the closet.

Oh Damian, you are so clever with your nicknames and analogies. How do we all get to be as amazing a poster as you?

[#1-norm-fan]

but i don't know how you feel about tony khan... you got a few memes for that?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I'm going to guess it will be a live promo and that you two are incorrect

Shows what you know

[Crippla]

Shows what you know

I took a gamble on the underdog and lost... what are you gonna do?

[ron the dial]

crippla....

[Crippla]

Ok nevermind I just saw the video wtf supreme lol

[Supreme Olajuwon]

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[Crippla]

crippla....

I wasn't watching live so I made an assumption based off his poat

[ron the dial]

I wasn't watching live so I made an assumption based off his poat

never trust these bastards! any of them!

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Supreme Dastardlajuwon

[xrodmuc316]

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[IC Champion]

Hey guys. We’re having a super important vote in casual. In an orderly manner please make your ways there and vote.

[IC Champion]

I never come into this hell hole so that should tell you how important this stuff is.

[IC Champion]

I can’t believe you losers still watch wrestling that’s not old Bret Hart matches. Gross.

[rez]

TK = good if he rarely is around (Owen Hart)
TK= bad everything else

[rez]

Awesome first hour and a decent 2nd hour

[xrodmuc316]

https://i.imgflip.com/6ib11l.gif

[#1-norm-fan]

Lol, the number of people calling the MJF situation a work is astounding.

[Crippla]

I think if it wasn't a work, he would have been cut off long before he was. You could clearly see where he was going with that and they played it just like Punk's pipe bomb in WWE. The only thing I'm unsure about is whether him no showing the fan signing was a work as well to build up on his situation or if he actually did that and they are working a shoot. Either way I loved it

[xrodmuc316]

I think if it wasn't a work, he would have been cut off long before he was. You could clearly see where he was going with that and they played it just like Punk's pipe bomb in WWE. The only thing I'm unsure about is whether him no showing the fan signing was a work as well to build up on his situation or if he actually did that and they are working a shoot. Either way I loved it

It's almost like it is better when the story a wrestler is putting out is actually believable. It is very plausible a guy like MJF would be pissed off being under paid and under appreciated. I hate when bookers think their audience is so dumb they will believe anything, like I dont know, pretending an old unathletic horrible fighter is SUPER TOUGH and can actually win fights against anybody :shifty:

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Can’t wait to see how he tries to back pedal from this when it comes out it was a work

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol, you know what is always great? “This company sucks” angles. So smart.

Trying to turn the shoot into a work is a big, big mistake.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Oh Damian, you are so clever with your nicknames and analogies. How do we all get to be as amazing a poster as you?

I think the posters obsessed with you and call you “cumdorx” are way closer to saying something about their closeted sexuality. There’s some obsessed folks here. I’ll stop talking about AEW when it becomes unsatisfactory to shit on it. Hasn’t reached that point yet.

[Jordan]

About Forbidden Door/NJPW...

NJPW isn't really over with the AEW crowd. At is best NJPW did what 200k maybe on AXS? It could be 100k I'm not sure, it's not that great regardless.

Nobody really reacted to Tanahashi, maybe 3 years ago they would have. Feeling like this show could be a little too late.

[Stu Hart]

Seems like a shoot thats being turned into a work with MJF...and its entertaining. Theres nobody in the business that is as good on the mic as him right now. He is believable, a natural asshole.

I would like him to get a pay bump with a contract extension for say 2 more years.

[Jordan]

MJF should be making more than any AEW original at this point other than Jericho and definitely more than Adam Cole.

[#1-norm-fan]

I think the posters obsessed with you and call you “cumdorx” are way closer to saying something about their closeted sexuality.

Woah, woah, WOAH.

Who said anything about anyone being close to saying something about their closeted sexuality to begin with?

[ron the dial]

guys it's pride month leave us queers out of this please

[#1-norm-fan]

Hey, I agree. Weird to go there.

Also, speaking for myself, I don’t discuss my sexuality often. Sure I occasionally mention a wrestling lady being boneable but that doesn’t necessarily mean I’m closeted about my equal love for a good hot, juicy cock.

[ron the dial]

to be fair Damien went there first

[#1-norm-fan]

Well it was an analogy. Weird to respond with “YOU people are closer to be closet gays!”

[ron the dial]

it's a bad analogy anyway :-\

but hey MJF just worked the shit out of noid so that's fun!

[#1-norm-fan]

Hey, I’m not NECESSARILY gay but I’d toss MJF’s salad for that reason alone.

[ron the dial]

he'd need to deal with this bad spray tan/spray tan hands... so off-putting...

[ron the dial]

more like GAY-EW amirite

[#1-norm-fan]

Dubbalo? More like rub-a-load… out… every time the haters get embarrassed.

[ron the dial]

CM Fill Me Up Daddy

[#1-norm-fan]

Tony Khansensual gay sex.

[slik]

Woah

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">From Carson’s Pro Wrestling World in Allentown, PA in 2002 to a fancy Hollywood party in 2022. Don’t ask us how. <a href="https://t.co/JoMJ0l5NA0">pic.twitter.com/JoMJ0l5NA0</a></p>&mdash; Bryce Remsburg (@dabryceisright) <a href="https://twitter.com/dabryceisright/status/1532236770594631681?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 2, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[ron the dial]

that's what I'm talking about baby

[#1-norm-fan]

We had a nice little string of hot, homoerotic posts going and slik just HAD to break the combo with a mundane pic of two ruggedly handsome dudes in a loving embrace while touching thighs and making my dick hard.

Way to go, slik.

[slik]

I am so kanefused

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[ron the dial]

about what? eddie and bryce are special friends, but each have a wife/fiancee. and now bryce's family are covered under the blood of jesus!

[xrodmuc316]

Woah, woah, WOAH.

Who said anything about anyone being close to saying something about their closeted sexuality to begin with?

It’s like the bigot homosexual who’s actually hiding in the closet.

It's like the guy always crying about reading comprehension skills who's actually hiding his dyslexia.

[#1-norm-fan]

Well it was an analogy. Weird to respond with “YOU people are closer to be closet gays!”

“You obsess over these things to hide your secret love much like a bigot might obsess over homosexuals to hide his closeted homosexuality.” doesn’t mean “You’re a closeted homosexual.”

Can’t imagine why reading comprehension would be a running theme with you.

Wanna talk about it?

[xrodmuc316]

“You obsess over these things to hide your secret love much like a bigot might obsess over homosexuals to hide his closeted homosexuality.” doesn’t mean “You’re a closeted homosexual.”

Can’t imagine why reading comprehension would be a running theme with you.

Wanna talk about it?

Nice edit, too difficult to write it correctly the first time? No wonder you always "wanna talk about it", classic go to for a suffering dyslexic.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

How bummed do you think Bryce Remsburg was when he found out he couldn’t get “thebryceisright” for either his Twitter or Instagram handle?

[xrodmuc316]

https://i.chzbgr.com/full/8313647104/h0B4DCA6D/nto-srue

[#1-norm-fan]

https://c.tenor.com/a7qKT1edebsAAAAM/leaving-notinterested.gif

[ron the dial]

would you two just kiss already jfc

[#1-norm-fan]

No. I tease the little shit for obvious reasons but he deserves better for his first time.

[Sepholio]

So literally anyone besides you then?

[Crippla]

They def got the reaction they were looking for with this MJF thing... I like it i'm really interested to see what direction they're going in next with it. I've been catching up on AEW a bit and he is easily my favorite part of the show still

[#1-norm-fan]

So literally anyone besides you then?

Not ANYONE.

Your mother told me I’m an excellent kisser but I often have whiskey breath.

[Sepholio]

My mother says the same thing to the fake Ficus tree in the corner. She has dain bramage like that.

[#1-norm-fan]

Yeah, sorry about that. I should have been more gentle.

[slik]

more photos from the afterparty WBDiscovery threw for AEW


https://i.postimg.cc/hv9sCX3r/1.webp

https://i.postimg.cc/sfSTfLDh/2.webp

https://i.postimg.cc/28D21xVX/3.webp

https://i.postimg.cc/kXvwKtSM/4.webp

https://i.postimg.cc/13WHYhML/5.webp

https://i.postimg.cc/LsnVcCbh/6.webp

https://i.postimg.cc/y86jPYhm/7.webp

https://i.postimg.cc/MTBmTcxS/8.webp

https://i.postimg.cc/CKX4SG37/9.webp

[ron the dial]

https://i.postimg.cc/sfSTfLDh/2.webp

[Fignuts]

lol wtf are those jeans Britt is wearing.

[Mr. Nerfect]

it's a bad analogy anyway :-\

but hey MJF just worked the shit out of noid so that's fun!

A work is supposed to generate money. This has made me laugh at AEW and is now killing my interest in MJF by taking the backstage and bringing it on the air.

It's like the guy always crying about reading comprehension skills who's actually hiding his dyslexia.

That would explain A LOT.

They def got the reaction they were looking for with this MJF thing... I like it i'm really interested to see what direction they're going in next with it. I've been catching up on AEW a bit and he is easily my favorite part of the show still

I dunno, I’m way less interested in MJF now than I was when I could actually believe it. Now it’s a storyline, it all seems really desperate to me. Speaking of which:

https://i.postimg.cc/sfSTfLDh/2.webp

That’s not a party; it’s a promotional shoot.

[ron the dial]

ok let me rephrase: you ate that MJF shit up hook, line, and sinker.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">How can you truly be a pro wrestling fan &amp; not have a pair or two of SlobberKnocker briefs? <br><br>@ProWrestlingTs <a href="https://t.co/ogRIoGWXE7">https://t.co/ogRIoGWXE7</a></p>&mdash; Jim Ross (@JRsBBQ) <a href="https://twitter.com/JRsBBQ/status/769689620812402688?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 28, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Mr. Nerfect]

ok let me rephrase: you ate that MJF shit up hook, line, and sinker.

It only makes sense if it was a shoot. Made the company look like a mess. If the company is a mess? Well, LolAEW.

More likely to was a shoot that’s been turned into a work, which kills interest. I think you’ll see that widespread over time, since there is no real drama from a “real life situation” that is no longer real.

[ron the dial]

i'm not knocking or defending the angle. i'm just saying you're a sucker.

[Mr. Nerfect]

This is actually kind of clever on AEW’s behalf if they want to ruin MJF over the next 18 months.

[Mr. Nerfect]

i'm not knocking or defending the angle. i'm just saying you're a sucker.

How so? Because the shoot became a work? Or are you saying it was a work all along? Because that would be fucking stupid of them. That even I didn’t believe they were that stupid and then proving me wrong isn’t exactly something to gloat about.

But hey — maybe this will boost them to record highs and get them the deals they need to survive?

[Crippla]

A work is supposed to generate money. This has made me laugh at AEW and is now killing my interest in MJF by taking the backstage and bringing it on the air.



That would explain A LOT.



I dunno, I’m way less interested in MJF now than I was when I could actually believe it. Now it’s a storyline, it all seems really desperate to me. Speaking of which:



That’s not a party; it’s a promotional shoot.
So are you saying the MJF promo is not drawing any interest from people? Because I think it's quite the opposite and there is surely some casual fans and marks who are unsure that it's a work or think it can possibly be a shoot.

[Crippla]

Idk I don't think the angle is that bad of an idea...I like it

[#1-norm-fan]

A work is supposed to generate money. This has made me laugh at AEW and is now killing my interest in MJF by taking the backstage and bringing it on the air.


Damn. They lost the Noid demo. No recovering from that. RIP.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Damn. They lost the Noid demo. No recovering from that. RIP.

Not the Noid demo!

[#1-norm-fan]

Yeah, it’s finally happened. He may boycott the show now.

They turned the tables on him. They turned the tables in the wrooong way. They got him... mad now!

[#1-norm-fan]

Noid to Tony Khan...

https://i.imgflip.com/6ie0c2.jpg

[RP]

I want to be in Anna Jay's forbidden door.

[Crippla]

It's not forbidden if it's open for entry!

[RP]

It's not forbidden if it's open for entry!


motherfucker you been there?

[Crippla]

motherfucker you been there?

I've poked my head in there a few times but never went all the way in

[RP]

I've poked my head in there a few times but never went all the way in


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[Crippla]

Lol I'm jk but yeah Anna Jay can get it

[Mr. Nerfect]

So are you saying the MJF promo is not drawing any interest from people? Because I think it's quite the opposite and there is surely some casual fans and marks who are unsure that it's a work or think it can possibly be a shoot.

Is it drawing interest? The people I hear talking about it were the same people talking about MJF before any of this started. The wrestling bubble convinces itself that it’s so much bigger than it is. That’s what an echo chamber does.

Marks don’t really care about a disgruntled employee…well, being an employee. This isn’t Austin/Vince. And I don’t think casual fans care to walk that line between work/shoot that much. Vince Russo would gamble on this too. They just want to see believable/credible things happening. There is a difference, although I’m sure some dunderheads on here (not you) will try and split hairs between them.

MJF was already believable. This is just taking the real issues and it’s going to get too close to blurring the lines to be interesting. The drama of something being a shoot goes right out the window when it is clear it is a work. The MJF/Tony Khan issues are not transferable to Dynamite.

IF they’ve cottoned on to MJF being their best asset. And IF they’ve cottoned on to their backstage drama being more interesting than their pro-wrestling content, then more power to them. But I don’t think it’s going to go the way people think it will. I don’t have any faith in AEW.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Lmaooooo wait I thought it wasn’t work but now it is? Noid flipped on that quick. Also lol how now that we all can safely assume its a work noid is suddenly no longer interested in mjf. But he’s going to continue to talk about it for some reason.

[Crippla]

Is it drawing interest? The people I hear talking about it were the same people talking about MJF before any of this started. The wrestling bubble convinces itself that it’s so much bigger than it is. That’s what an echo chamber does.

Marks don’t really care about a disgruntled employee…well, being an employee. This isn’t Austin/Vince. And I don’t think casual fans care to walk that line between work/shoot that much. Vince Russo would gamble on this too. They just want to see believable/credible things happening. There is a difference, although I’m sure some dunderheads on here (not you) will try and split hairs between them.

MJF was already believable. This is just taking the real issues and it’s going to get too close to blurring the lines to be interesting. The drama of something being a shoot goes right out the window when it is clear it is a work. The MJF/Tony Khan issues are not transferable to Dynamite.

IF they’ve cottoned on to MJF being their best asset. And IF they’ve cottoned on to their backstage drama being more interesting than their pro-wrestling content, then more power to them. But I don’t think it’s going to go the way people think it will. I don’t have any faith in AEW.
I guess we will have to see where they go from here and how this angle plays out first. But ftr, I wasn't trying to make it out to he something huge like Austin/Vince or anything, I just don't see it hurting AEW at all, I see more positives than negatives thus far but it could go south really quick depending how it gets played. I personally enjoy it and still think MJF as continuously getting better on the mic. Not to mention the crowd reaction was fantastic during his promo

[#1-norm-fan]

Between this and the awkward “you edited a post!” deflection attempt earlier, this could be the darkest day in Dipshit Duo history.

Wild.

[#1-norm-fan]

And let’s not forget Seph’s mother.

Let’s never forget Seph’s mother.

I know I can’t.

On account of the sores.

[Sepholio]

You know that's more embarrassing for you right?

[Sepholio]

ANYWAYS, AEW pulled all of MJFs merch a little while ago.

No way it's a work if they pulled the merch, amirite?

[#1-norm-fan]

You know that's more embarrassing for you right?

50/50

[Sepholio]

Oh, I think I see what's happening here. You thought I was joking about my mom earlier, right? No, seriously, she's bonkers, cuckoo, shrunken frontal lobe lobotomized nut satchel insane. Whackadoo, loony, 3 fries short of a happy meal.

Your jokes about my mom have really been jokes about you getting freakydeeky with someone who is basically legally retarded and in need of a padded room.

80/20 at best.

[Sepholio]

Now I know you may be thinking "Damn Seph is a monster (like Kenton Lane) for savaging his Ma Dukes like that". And you aren't entirely wrong. But I want you to understand that for all intents and purposes my mom died when i was 10-12 and was replaced by a knock off pod person they didn't cook right.

And she's a total bitch.

[ron the dial]

damn

[Sepholio]

Fan casually reminding me behind the scenes that he's done far worse to legally retarded people.

Please come back Matthew Droford!

[#1-norm-fan]

Oh yeah. Droford, too.

[Sepholio]

You gonna take that Xrod? I wouldn't take that from someone who raw dogs people that are deemed too incompetent to be responsible for themselves!

[Sepholio]

on topic for a moment: MJF also pulled from AEWs roster page.

[Sepholio]

I wonder if it was all real, then they worked it out (or so Tony thought) and decided to work a shoot, but then MJF was all like naw bro, this is still a real shoot sucker. That would be amazing.

[Crippla]

I wonder if it was all real, then they worked it out (or so Tony thought) and decided to work a shoot, but then MJF was all like naw bro, this is still a real shoot sucker. That would be amazing.

Yes I love it! Not the same at all but there is def a comparison to be made to Pillman/Bischoff in WCW as someone mentioned the similarities to Pullman before