All Elite Wrestling

[Destor]

i dont follow

[Fignuts]

He said if he ever gets as fucked up as he was before he left, he'd be done.

It was never clear what his injuries exactly were, just that there were multiple.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Who'd have thought working a completely unsustainable style in hour-long matches would've left Kenny injured for this long?

[#1-norm-fan]

The gruelling match against the blowup doll is what really shortened his career, IMO.

[Jordan]

Kenny is just a bit depressed because therapy is difficult. He will be back on top soon guys. He's the best in the world.

[xrodmuc316]

Kenny worked through multiple injuries for months until the conclusion of his title reign.

Phil stubbed his toe on a guardrail and immediately bailed.

[Jordan]

Do you have something against CM Punk xrod?

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don’t think it’s JUST injuries. It’s how the guy is going to be perceived if he slows down. He’s not exactly AJ Styles out there. He needs to be able to throw everything at the wall to be able to stand out. Plus AEW is a completely different company to what he signed up to. You’ve got Punk and Danielson in there now. The ego can get very threatened.

I’ve always thought retirement was a possibility. But it wouldn’t surprise me if he just signs with someone else in January, if he can get his deal to expire without interruption.

[Crippla]

I've always liked Punk but I'm not his biggest fan by any means, he's probably not even in my top 25 or 30 wrestlers but xrod is starting to make me become a giant mark for the guy lol

[Mr. Nerfect]

There are fair criticisms of the guy. And he is a giant douchebag. I think a lot of that speaks for itself though. Then again, you hear AEW defenders go to bat for him all the time, so I can appreciate why someone would feel compelled to bust the myth. But if you wanna be a mark for the guy, he’s another you might want to jam it in for, because who knows how long he will last either.

[Crippla]

As far as Omega goes, with all the time he's had to think about this, he may want to just retire from in ring competition after putting his body through so much but also is probably factoring other things into this decision too. He's not married and doesn't have any kids as far as i know and has been very dedicated to the wrestling business, which I'm 100 percent positive he will still be involved in regardless if he wrestles or not, he may have other things he wants to focus on/accomplish while he is still young and does not want to get a very serious career ending injury that will effect his day to day life in an extreme way. You never know what somebody's mindset is plus he still has plenty of time and opportunity to make a lot of money in the business even if he's not wrestling. He also could make an in-ring return in the future if he does get that itch that many wrestlers get

[Mr. Nerfect]

With TK paying what he pays these guys, it was always a possibility he would retreat into the mountains to play video games when his deal was up even if it went really well.

[xrodmuc316]

Do you have something against CM Punk xrod?

Just that he is a weak hack who is the last person anybody should pretend is tough. Like I said, Omega worked through countless injuries for months, and Punk stubbed his toe and quit.

He is also an incredible hypocrite. Remember when he was crying about old part timer The Rock taking his spot? That happened when Rock was 41 years old. Punk is currently 43, and unlike Rock, Punk had ZERO success outside of wrestling, but it is ok now, because Punk LOVES wrestling.

Also Rock was 260 pounds of muscle, not 170 pounds of flabby bitch who everybody saw get his ass beat so embarrassingly it was a black eye for an entire sport.

And of course there is this...
https://i.imgflip.com/6ldnov.gif

He crashed AEW's momentum, ratings, and likability.

[Crippla]

There are fair criticisms of the guy. And he is a giant douchebag. I think a lot of that speaks for itself though. Then again, you hear AEW defenders go to bat for him all the time, so I can appreciate why someone would feel compelled to bust the myth. But if you wanna be a mark for the guy, he’s another you might want to jam it in for, because who knows how long he will last either.

I'm not saying he's not, I agree with most of it to a point, I was kind of just making a joke because he mentions it so much no matter what the topic is lol...there is no doubt he is a self-righteous, sanctimonious douchebag who thinks he is morally superior though, I will give you that. I know a few people with that attitude irl and I can't stand them

[xrodmuc316]

I've always liked Punk but I'm not his biggest fan by any means, he's probably not even in my top 25 or 30 wrestlers but xrod is starting to make me become a giant mark for the guy lol

Punk is so lame he made me a Stan for Kenny Omega, that is how bad Punk is :rofl:

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm not saying he's not, I agree with most of it to a point, I was kind of just making a joke because he mentions it so much no matter what the topic is lol...there is no doubt he is a self-righteous, sanctimonious douchebag who thinks he is morally superior though, I will give you that. I know a few people with that attitude irl and I can't stand them

I got you were joking, lol. I personally think xrod is too forgiving of other people on his mission to destroy Punk’s non-existent credibility. Look at Omega getting the rub here.

[xrodmuc316]

I got you were joking, lol. I personally think xrod is too forgiving of other people on his mission to destroy Punk’s non-existent credibility. Look at Omega getting the rub here.

Its a valid and true point, like I said Punk made me stick up for Kenny Omega :rofl:

[Crippla]

I think he just needs to tweak the gimmick a bit and do something to make it fresh but I believe he enjoys the go away heat(I will not use the term "X-Pac heat") that it gives him.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Omega is kind of my Punk. There’s zero intregrity there. I’ve expected him to fuck over/feel fucked over by AEW from the start.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think he just needs to tweak the gimmick a bit and do something to make it fresh but I believe he enjoys the go away heat(I will not use the term "X-Pac heat") that it gives him.

100%. xrod knows what notes he’s playing and who is going to bite.

[xrodmuc316]

I think he just needs to tweak the gimmick a bit and do something to make it fresh but I believe he enjoys the go away heat(I will not use the term "X-Pac heat") that it gives him.

It is not a gimmick though, I genuinely feel that Punk is a hypocritical bitch who has made AEW lamer than at any point in their existence. Building shows around THAT guy in 2022 is unfathomable to me. He has less credibility than Sonny Kiss who hasnt been on TV in like 1000 days.

[Crippla]

It is not a gimmick though, I genuinely feel that Punk is a hypocritical bitch who has made AEW lamer than at any point in their existence. Building shows around THAT guy in 2022 is unfathomable to me. He has less credibility than Sonny Kiss who hasnt been on TV in like 1000 days.

To be fair, he does have some value to his name and whether you like him or not, he still does have a lot of "faithful" fans.

[Crippla]

Something tells me I'm going to like this Fan post coming up.:D

[#1-norm-fan]

lol I can't lately. I just can't. But for your sake, I'll point out that he thinks you're calling him simply disliking Punk a gimmick and I'm pretty sure that's not the case. So you're gonna get sidetracked.

[Sepholio]

Fansplaining.

[#1-norm-fan]

Damn. Gotta trademark that.

[xrodmuc316]

Yep, im not just hating Punk as a gimmick, im hating Punk because I hate Punk. Also Phil as a person is an abject turd.

[Fignuts]

Yep, im not just hating Punk as a gimmick, im hating Punk because I hate Punk. Also Phil as a person is an abject turd.

The gimmick is that you mention him in every thread you post in regardless of whether its relevant. I'm not sure you actually hate him. In fact, I think its a lot more likely you're in love with him.

[Frank Drebin]

Where the F is MJF??

[Mr. Nerfect]

Where the F is MJF??

You gotta make this gimmick that buries the company look good.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

The idea that any top paid performer isn’t full of themselves is stupid. Who is a humble superstar? If you don’t buy your own hype nobody else will either. Hogan but his hype. Austin buys his hype. HBK, Bret, The Rock, Flair etc etc.

[Crippla]

The gimmick is that you mention him in every thread you post in regardless of whether its relevant. I'm not sure you actually hate him. In fact, I think its a lot more likely you're in love with him.

My sentiments exactly. I could care less about your opinion on CM Punk whether you want to put a bullet in his head or suck his cock but he just seems to occupy a lot of your thoughts as you put so much time and energy into taking shots at him in every discussion whether it be relevant or not. He's just a wrestler that you don't like not your personal nemesis lol

[Destor]

The idea that any top paid performer isn’t full of themselves is stupid. Who is a humble superstar? If you don’t buy your own hype nobody else will either. Hogan but his hype. Austin buys his hype. HBK, Bret, The Rock, Flair etc etc.
half those guys could work. other half could draw. few could do both. none of them were public jokes.

[Fignuts]

half those guys could work. other half could draw. few could do both. none of them were public jokes.

Totally valid point, but theres no reason anyone should try to make every discussion on the forum about that.

Unless they secretly get hard talking about him I suppose.

[xrodmuc316]

The gimmick is that you mention him in every thread you post in regardless of whether its relevant. I'm not sure you actually hate him. In fact, I think its a lot more likely you're in love with him.

It was very relevant when Kenny Omega is getting dragged for having a bunch of injuries, but Punk being too unathletic to do a crowd dive without hurting himself is out there. That makes any complaint about Omega, who worked through his entire program before leaving, foolish. No matter what you think of Kenny Omega, he didnt just bail, even with far worse injuries.

Just like Phil himself, it is beyond hypothetical.

[xrodmuc316]

My sentiments exactly. I could care less about your opinion on CM Punk whether you want to put a bullet in his head or suck his cock but he just seems to occupy a lot of your thoughts as you put so much time and energy into taking shots at him in every discussion whether it be relevant or not. He's just a wrestler that you don't like not your personal nemesis lol

It is not that time consuming to type a post. Not just for you Crippla, everybody, can we please put this argument to rest once and for all. I am not scribing this shit in stone, chiseling away. Its typing, its easy!

[#1-norm-fan]

If I may Fansplain again…

Figgy mentioned the fact that you try to force every conversation to be about him whether the conversation is relevant to him or not.

You responded by saying it’s relevant to this one topic of “Omega injury vs Punk injury”. (which I think you kinda made it about in the first place. I didn’t see anyone comparing the two. But let’s not get sidetracked on that yet.)

That doesn’t address what Figgy said.

[Destor]

Totally valid point, but theres no reason anyone should try to make every discussion on the forum about that.

Unless they secretly get hard talking about him I suppose.fair

[Fignuts]

It was very relevant when Kenny Omega is getting dragged for having a bunch of injuries, but Punk being too unathletic to do a crowd dive without hurting himself is out there. That makes any complaint about Omega, who worked through his entire program before leaving, foolish. No matter what you think of Kenny Omega, he didnt just bail, even with far worse injuries.

Just like Phil himself, it is beyond hypothetical.

No one "dragged" on Omega.

[Crippla]

Yeah I haven't seen anybody say anything even remotely negative about Omega. If you have serious injuries and you can't work then you can't work. I mean there are a lot of wrestlers who work through minor and sometimes not so minor injuries but shit happens that puts you on the DL when you get in the ring...I don't think anyone should dog somebody for being out with an injury. ( Yes I'm aware there are exceptions in some cases and every situation is different)

[Crippla]

The whole narrative of someone not having enough passion and drive for the business because they won't work through an injury to me is ridiculous

[#1-norm-fan]

Yeah I haven't seen anybody say anything even remotely negative about Omega.

Well now, before this sentence becomes a distraction, I DID say something negative about Omega. But it was more of a joke about him wrestling a blowup doll. Because… lol.

Didn’t knock him for sitting out with an injury though.

[xrodmuc316]

I think its a lot more likely you're in love with him.

Unless they secretly get hard talking about him I suppose.

That doesn’t address what Figgy said.

Implied homosexuality as an insult, does that even warrant a response?

[Destor]

i miss calling people fag. fags ruined faggotry

[Destor]

to paraphrase Louis CK ive never seen a guy sucking cock and called him a fag. i only call people who are acting faggy fags

[Destor]

but the fucking fags took all the fun out of faggot...smdh...

[Destor]

we truly were living in a golden era

[Damian Rey 2.0]

half those guys could work. other half could draw. few could do both. none of them were public jokes.

That’s not the point. The point is Omega has been the top guy pretty much everywhere he’s been. Regardless of how anyone might feel about his work, he doesn’t make to the level he has without being a self insulting asshole at some point in his life.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

That would also go for Punk. It’s pretty widely known he’s mostly an asshole in public unless you treat him a very certain way. And yea he’s very full himself. That’s why he has gotten to where he is.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

to paraphrase Louis CK ive never seen a guy sucking cock and called him a fag. i only call people who are acting faggy fags

My friends and I, a group of 3, regularly call each other fags.

[Destor]

kings the lot of you

[Fignuts]

Implied homosexuality as an insult, does that even warrant a response?

That was just window dressing attached to my extremely valid point.

If you dont like it, stop crushing on cm punk like a teenage girl.

[screech]

My friends and I, a group of 3, regularly call each other fags.

my best friend and I also do this. we will not be deterred.

[Sting Fan]

Really enjoyed the Rampage Rumble, great finish, good intimidating challenger for Mox and just good fun overall.

As someone who is never seen Rush before, does he sell at all?

[xrodmuc316]

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Can't anybody tell this Mark to shut up, Fuck man

https://wrestletalk.com/news/tony-khan-calls-locker-room-leaks-shameful/

[XL]

Isn’t Jericho a known Meltzer informant? That’s where all the leaks are coming from.

[xrodmuc316]

Isn’t Jericho a known Meltzer informant? That’s where all the leaks are coming from.

This dude is like

https://i.imgflip.com/6ll822.jpg

[Crippla]

It would have got the pop of opening a can of soda.

[Mr. Nerfect]

AEW is so gross.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Brody King fucking sucks. He’s horrible and he looks like shit. Of course AEW is pushing him. They literally have two betters wrestlers in the same fucking faction. Imagine tuning in for a fake Royal Rumble just to have fucking Brody King win it. You’d take Hacksaw Jim Duggan over that.

The booking in this promotion is horrible. I don’t understand how anyone can argue against that.

[#1-norm-fan]

That was just window dressing attached to my extremely valid point.

Right. If the homosexual implication is particularly offensive, I’m pretty sure if it were a female that drew THIS level of obsession the same conclusion could be met. The main point remains unresolved.

Getting sidetracked by something that isn’t the point again.

#Fansplain

[Mr. Nerfect]

I was just going down the list of losers on this roster. You could save a million before you even get done cutting the A’s.

* Aaron Solo
* Abadon
* Alan Angels
* Alex Reynolds
* Angelico
* The Blade
* Brandon Cutler
* Brian Cage
* Brian Pillman, Jr.
* Chuck Taylor
* Colt Cabana
* Danhausen
* Don Callis
* Emi Sakura
* Evil Uno
* Fuego Del Sol
* Griff Garrison
* Jake Roberts
* Keith Lee
* Kip Sabian
* Leva Bates
* Luther
* Mark Sterling
* Matt Hardy
* Michael Nakazawa
* Peter Avalon
* Preston Vance
* Riho
* Serpentico
* Sonny Kiss
* Stokely Hathaway
* Tony Nese
* Tully Blanchard
* Vickie Guerrero
* Yuka Sakazaki

I haven’t even included guys like Big Show and Mark Henry who do PR work, at least. You could always cut guys like Daniels & Kazarian too. But I’ve generally tried to stay away from people who are important to the show, even if I think they suck. So I kept Hager and Orange Cassidy. But you could go even deeper with these cuts and let go of Trent Beretta, Lance Archer, Shawn Spears and guys like that.

That’s 35 names. Fucking ludicrous.

[Sepholio]

Right. If the homosexual implication is particularly offensive, I’m pretty sure if it were a female that drew THIS level of obsession the same conclusion could be met. The main point remains unresolved.

Getting sidetracked by something that isn’t the point again.

#Fansplain

I feel like I should be getting more reputational royalties for the creation of that term.

[#1-norm-fan]

I’m not an asshole. I’ve already decided that you get 20% of all money made via the “Fansplaining” brand.

[Mr. Nerfect]

You know what? Fuck it — cut Paul Wight, Mark Henry, Jake Hager and Christopher Daniels too. If Kenny is not re-signing, cut him too. That’s at least $4 million right there. JR is cooked, apparently. Cut him. $5 million. Luchasaurus sucks — cut him. Orange Cassidy does more harm than good, you can send him silently into the night instead of licensing fucking music for him. Bobby Fish is old and The Undisputed Elite sucks. Shawn Spears has had more than enough time in the sun, and you don’t need QT Marshall to put anyone over. Add them all to the list. That’s probably another $7 million saved.

Bryce Remsburg and Rick Knox can be cut from the refs.

Alex Marvez and Justin Roberts from the broadcast team.

Do you really need Ace Steel and BJ Whitmer as agents? I’d argue that you could probably cut Billy Gunn too, but he’s one of the best things they’ve got.

[Mr. Nerfect]

So much fucking waste. Impossible to care about.

Oh, and for fuck’s sake, just let MJF go so he can go become a star. It might trickle down to you somehow. But maybe he wouldn’t want to leave if the show actually got better and a bunch of the assholes draining up resources and hindering the growth of this thing weren’t in the way.

[#1-norm-fan]

Oh boy. Noid’s in “Overpost to bury the lead” mode. AKA “Noidmode”.

[Jordan]

Jake Hagar is a future world championship

[Crippla]

I like a good half of the people you named Noid lol

[Crippla]

I can see reason to cut a lot of them but disagree with a good portion of them without bias of my own personal entertainment

[Sepholio]

You know what? Fuck it — cut Paul Wight, Mark Henry, Jake Hager and Christopher Daniels too. If Kenny is not re-signing, cut him too. That’s at least $4 million right there. JR is cooked, apparently. Cut him. $5 million. Luchasaurus sucks — cut him. Orange Cassidy does more harm than good, you can send him silently into the night instead of licensing fucking music for him. Bobby Fish is old and The Undisputed Elite sucks. Shawn Spears has had more than enough time in the sun, and you don’t need QT Marshall to put anyone over. Add them all to the list. That’s probably another $7 million saved.

Bryce Remsburg and Rick Knox can be cut from the refs.

Alex Marvez and Justin Roberts from the broadcast team.

Do you really need Ace Steel and BJ Whitmer as agents? I’d argue that you could probably cut Billy Gunn too, but he’s one of the best things they’ve got.

I liked Hager back in the day. Thought he was a solid, upper mid-card and occasional main event guy. But yeah, he can go now. AEW has had him for 3 years and he's done fuck all besides stand behind Jericho with his arms crossed. Anyone can do that and for less money.

Agree on Wight, Henry, Daniels and JR too. JRs the only one I even hesitate a little on because damnit its JR.

Don't know/care enough about the refs\broadcast guys\agents to comment on them.

OC is fine in his role as long as they aren't overpaying him. Nothing wrong with having a couple comedy gimmicks around to lighten the mood and he can shine from time to time when he really goes, unlike a lot of comedy guys.

Also would keep Luchasaurus. I have a weird soft spot for him. Like what he does at his size. The gimmick is just terrible though.

I'd keep Billy around too for now, but he's definitely nearing the end of the time where that would be the case. Maybe another year or 2 at most.

[Sepholio]

Oh, and Undisputed Elite....yeah Id probably cut and run. They are making a chunk of change, are older, seem to be a bit injury prone and they have other guys that already fill their niche. Maybe keep Cole a little while because he's somehow still over af with the crowd even though hes terrible rn and because of Britt.

[xrodmuc316]

OC may not get paid a lot compared to ex WWE guys, but how much has it cost Shad for his son to license 2 different songs for this guy? I would be willing to bet those 2 songs cost AEW more than Cassidy himself.

[Sepholio]

Yeah thats just speculation though. I feel like it's probably nowhere near as expensive as you think it is.

[#1-norm-fan]

That was just window dressing attached to my extremely valid point.

Right. If the homosexual implication is particularly offensive, I’m pretty sure if it were a female that drew THIS level of obsession the same conclusion could be met. The main point remains unresolved.

Getting sidetracked by something that isn’t the point again.

#Fansplain

Just wanna make sure this isn’t an issue we wanna address.

Just in case Noid’s convenient string of posts ACCIDENTALLY buried a poignant issue. We’re just ending it here, right?

[xrodmuc316]

You guys are so weird man, what are you 8 years old? The person you say you hate and are mean to is really the person you are crushing on? Good logic, but here is the truth.

I don't say I hate Punk because I secretly like him, I say I hate Punk because featuring him as the guy ruins AEW for me, far more than any stupid Elite flippy shit ever did. It is that simple for me, how can I take it seriously when THAT guy is supposed to be the best. It is offensive to any pro wrestler that has to lose to that guy, ESPECIALLY in a company where "Wins and Losses REALLY MATTER".

[Crippla]

You really think he's the worst to ever be pushed to the top? I don't think he's an ideal guy to build a company around but I don't think he's the absolute worst choice either and he alone definitely doesn't ruin a whole show for me. I just don't see that being the sole downfall of AEW the way you do and I don't think everyone who has to do the job for him is necessarily going to be in career jeopardy because of that either

[xrodmuc316]

You really think he's the worst to ever be pushed to the top? I don't think he's an ideal guy to build a company around but I don't think he's the absolute worst choice either and he alone definitely doesn't ruin a whole show for me. I just don't see that being the sole downfall of AEW the way you do and I don't think everyone who has to do the job for him is necessarily going to be in career jeopardy because of that either

Yes, he killed any credibility he had in UFC. There is no way to believe he could ever beat a guy like Adam Page, who is 13 years younger, about 40 pounds heavier, faster, stronger, and more athletic (he can actually do a flip over the rope).

Even when WCW made David Arquette World Champion, they did it as a fluke, not because he was such a badass. They also did not portray him as a bad ass AFTER he proved to everybody he could never win a real fight.

It would be like having Hulk Hogan come back as the best Civil Rights Activist. People would say hold up, THAT is the guy you want in that role?

[Fignuts]

You guys are so weird man, what are you 8 years old? The person you say you hate and are mean to is really the person you are crushing on? Good logic, but here is the truth.

I don't say I hate Punk because I secretly like him, I say I hate Punk because featuring him as the guy ruins AEW for me, far more than any stupid Elite flippy shit ever did. It is that simple for me, how can I take it seriously when THAT guy is supposed to be the best. It is offensive to any pro wrestler that has to lose to that guy, ESPECIALLY in a company where "Wins and Losses REALLY MATTER".

You don't seem to enjoy AEW regardless, so that doesn't really track.

[#1-norm-fan]

Getting sidetracked again because of the issue that was fansplained in the ORIGINAL fansplain…

But for your sake, I'll point out that he thinks you're calling him simply disliking Punk a gimmick and I'm pretty sure that's not the case. So you're gonna get sidetracked.

See…

You guys are so weird man, what are you 8 years old? The person you say you hate and are mean to is really the person you are crushing on? Good logic, but here is the truth.

I don't say I hate Punk because I secretly like him…

[#1-norm-fan]

The gimmick is that you mention him in every thread you post in regardless of whether its relevant.

[xrodmuc316]

You don't seem to enjoy AEW regardless, so that doesn't really track.

That is false, I was on board for pretty much all of 2021, even with the exploding ring dud. Then they started bringing in WAY too many ex Fed guys, pushing complete randoms out of nowhere like Wheeler Yuta, and after patting themselves on the back for their great 3 year build of Adam Page, they gave it up to crown the owner's favorite wrestler in 9 months time.

They literally brought in a guy 2 weeks later who is more famous, more popular, more successful, and 1000 times more believable, who also was 6 months removed from being in the main event of Wrestlemania, and they have him in garbage 10 man hardcore matches while Phil gets to be World Champion.

There is asking for suspension of disbelief, but this is WAY more. This is asking us to completely ignore 7 years of that dude failing at everything while bad mouthing pro wrestling and its fans, and be happy and grateful he is back on a wrestling show while pretending he is the best at it.

[Jordan]

Why are you guys worried about a company paying right for a song? Quit being a Vince boy, AEW is where the fun is. We have rock songs, pop songs, huge legends and up and coming super stars, no super HEROS.

We love AEW here X-Rod and Noid, you won't change that!

[xrodmuc316]

How it started:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Genius move trying to take on Dana and the UFC in Vegas during International Fight Week. <br><br>See you tonight on Friday Night <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWRampage?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWRampage</a> on <a href="https://twitter.com/tntdrama?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@tntdrama</a> at a special time tonight<br>6:30pm ET/5:30pm CT/4:30pm MT/3:30pm PT!</p>&mdash; Tony Khan (@TonyKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1530258790196465664?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 27, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

How its going:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Vince, Steph, Triple H and Pat in his neck-brace casually chilling at the on-going UFC 276 event. <a href="https://t.co/WfFEM7FuxM">pic.twitter.com/WfFEM7FuxM</a></p>&mdash; Wrestle Ops (@WrestleOps) <a href="https://twitter.com/WrestleOps/status/1543450571247689730?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 3, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA TINY KHAN GETTING EMBARASSED AGAIN!

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[XL]

I was just going down the list of losers on this roster. You could save a million before you even get done cutting the A’s.

* Aaron Solo
* Abadon
* Alan Angels
* Alex Reynolds
* Angelico
* The Blade
* Brandon Cutler
* Brian Cage
* Brian Pillman, Jr.
* Chuck Taylor
* Colt Cabana
* Danhausen
* Don Callis
* Emi Sakura
* Evil Uno
* Fuego Del Sol
* Griff Garrison
* Jake Roberts
* Keith Lee
* Kip Sabian
* Leva Bates
* Luther
* Mark Sterling
* Matt Hardy
* Michael Nakazawa
* Peter Avalon
* Preston Vance
* Riho
* Serpentico
* Sonny Kiss
* Stokely Hathaway
* Tony Nese
* Tully Blanchard
* Vickie Guerrero
* Yuka Sakazaki

I haven’t even included guys like Big Show and Mark Henry who do PR work, at least. You could always cut guys like Daniels & Kazarian too. But I’ve generally tried to stay away from people who are important to the show, even if I think they suck. So I kept Hager and Orange Cassidy. But you could go even deeper with these cuts and let go of Trent Beretta, Lance Archer, Shawn Spears and guys like that.

That’s 35 names. Fucking ludicrous.

One of those guys has already gone, and there’s a good chance most of that list won’t be re-upped.

Now do a WWE list.

[xrodmuc316]

One of those guys has already gone, and there’s a good chance most of that list won’t be re-upped.

Now do a WWE list.

Doesnt WWE already do that for us every few months? :rofl:

[Mr. Nerfect]

One of those guys has already gone, and there’s a good chance most of that list won’t be re-upped.

Now do a WWE list.

When you’ve got about 50 people who should be gone, 1 being cut does not really do much. I don’t know why they were there in the first place.

The WWE roster is actually pretty slender. Am I getting rid of guys with potential because they aren’t being used? Am I going to cull people over the age of 40? Ah, fuck it, here goes:

* Akira Tozawa
* Cedric Alexander
* Ciampa
* Dominik Mysterio
* Finn Balor
* Otis
* R-Truth
* Reggie
* Shelton Benjamin
* T-Bar
* Veer Mahaan

I get why a lot of them are there. Their comedy division has value to them. They do PR. They meant something once upon a time. Having a Nigerian giant will get you certain attention. I’m just thinking really unaffectionately about what I would feature in a streamlined WWE. If I stop to think “What would I actually do with you?” Nope, cut. It’s not a talent issue with a lot of these guys.

* Alexa Bliss
* Carmella
* Dana Brooke
* Doudrop
* Nikki ASH
* Tamina

* Erik
* Happy Corbin
* Humberto
* Jinder Mahal
* Mace
* Mansoor
* Ricochet
* Ridge Holland
* Shanky
* Sheamus

* Aliyah
* Lacey Evans
* Naomi
* Raquel Rodriguez
* Sasha Banks
* Shotzi

* Charles Robinson

* Booker T
* Corey Graves
* Jerry Lawler
* Wade Barrett

I had to be more “ruthless” with the WWE list.

[xrodmuc316]

When you’ve got about 50 people who should be gone, 1 being cut does not really do much. I don’t know why they were there in the first place.

The WWE roster is actually pretty slender. Am I getting rid of guys with potential because they aren’t being used? Am I going to cull people over the age of 40? Ah, fuck it, here goes:

* Akira Tozawa
* Cedric Alexander
* Ciampa
* Dominik Mysterio
* Finn Balor
* Otis
* R-Truth
* Reggie
* Shelton Benjamin
* T-Bar
* Veer Mahaan

I get why a lot of them are there. Their comedy division has value to them. They do PR. They meant something once upon a time. Having a Nigerian giant will get you certain attention. I’m just thinking really unaffectionately about what I would feature in a streamlined WWE. If I stop to think “What would I actually do with you?” Nope, cut. It’s not a talent issue with a lot of these guys.

* Alexa Bliss
* Carmella
* Dana Brooke
* Doudrop
* Nikki ASH
* Tamina

* Erik
* Happy Corbin
* Humberto
* Jinder Mahal
* Mace
* Mansoor
* Ricochet
* Ridge Holland
* Shanky
* Sheamus

* Aliyah
* Lacey Evans
* Naomi
* Raquel Rodriguez
* Sasha Banks
* Shotzi

* Charles Robinson

* Booker T
* Corey Graves
* Jerry Lawler
* Wade Barrett

I had to be more “ruthless” with the WWE list.

You just made Tiny Khan cum in his pants with all the potential yummy game changer debuts on that list.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Hey Orange Cassidy is insanely over, moves merch, has great matches and gets some of the best reactions on the roster, so of course Noid wants to cut him. I’m some huge Cassidy mark but the guy is one of their most over homegrown talents. Cutting him is just stupid.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Also why does anybody care how much money AEW is spending? Who gives a shit?

Meanwhile I’m excited to see Brody v Moxley. About time they give that team a bigger spotlight. Ideally this starts a feud leading to Black v Moxley for the title. Black needs a bigger role.

[screech]

Hey Orange Cassidy is insanely over, moves merch, has great matches and gets some of the best reactions on the roster, so of course Noid wants to cut him. I’m some huge Cassidy mark but the guy is one of their most over homegrown talents. Cutting him is just stupid.

Noid is for sure one of the people who thinks Orange Cassidy can't wrestle because of the gimmick.

[Jordan]

Orange Cassidy is a main event guy for AEW. Big star, super over, awesome matches. Jim Cornett doesn't like him? That's fine, we can all have different opinions. Did you see his match at Forbidden Door? Sick, what about how cool his new entrance song is? Slaps.

[Jordan]

Also why does anybody care how much money AEW is spending? Who gives a shit?

Meanwhile I’m excited to see Brody v Moxley. About time they give that team a bigger spotlight. Ideally this starts a feud leading to Black v Moxley for the title. Black needs a bigger role.

Yeah I hope they are doing well but I can't be bothered to give a shit about the financial details behind the shows I watch.

[Vastardikai]

Orange Cassidy is a main event guy for AEW. Big star, super over, awesome matches. Jim Cornett doesn't like him? That's fine, we can all have different opinions. Did you see his match at Forbidden Door? Sick, what about how cool his new entrance song is? Slaps.

If "Good Matches" was all it took to draw people in, we would be talking about how AEW's major competition is the NWA, and it would still be run by the Crocketts. Here's the problem: It doesn't. You need more than just "Good matches." You need at least something that resembles a personality people would want to see.

The fact that Orange Cassidy is a main event guy is kind of horrifying for the future of wrestling. His biggest problem is his gimmick. Because, I don't give a shit how good he can "go" once he "Gets serious." For all the talk about how AEW "Doesn't insult the fan's intelligence," they have a guy whose whole gimmick revolves around the fact that no one in AEW is smart enough to kick him in the gut and give him a finisher as soon as his hands get into his pockets. That's a bridge too far, even for those who watch wrestling.

As far as financials, it's not a big deal so long as A. it keeps them on TV and B. they satisfy the network.

[Sting Fan]

OCs new theme sucks... but OC is gold, great gimmick and can go in ring.

Hes an upper card talent, I dont really think hes a main eventer as such, hes certainly not winning the big one anytime soon. But the fans love him, his ring work is excellent and he moves merch, hes literally all you could want in a performer.

I had a small epiphany today about Theory that may apply here... were all a bunch of old cunts who want companies to "push young talent" but we want them to push young talent we (the aforementioned old cunts) want to see who look and sound like the stars of old we wish longingly for through rose tinted glasses.

[Sting Fan]

AEW is still great btw, horrendous run of injuries lately has put things up in the air but that can be good sometimes.

Brody King vs. Mox is gonna be great and hopefully might lead to Malakai vs. Mox which will also be great.

Blood and guts was great too, I often find myself wandering off on longer matches like that but I was all in the whole way through.

How good is Claudio... He looked impressive size wise in WWE but he looks like a fucking Titan in AEW, love it!

[weather vane]

Love Jane.

[DaveWadding]

Love Jane.

So fucking good.

[Jordan]

If "Good Matches" was all it took to draw people in, we would be talking about how AEW's major competition is the NWA, and it would still be run by the Crocketts. Here's the problem: It doesn't. You need more than just "Good matches." You need at least something that resembles a personality people would want to see.

The fact that Orange Cassidy is a main event guy is kind of horrifying for the future of wrestling. His biggest problem is his gimmick. Because, I don't give a shit how good he can "go" once he "Gets serious." For all the talk about how AEW "Doesn't insult the fan's intelligence," they have a guy whose whole gimmick revolves around the fact that no one in AEW is smart enough to kick him in the gut and give him a finisher as soon as his hands get into his pockets. That's a bridge too far, even for those who watch wrestling.

As far as financials, it's not a big deal so long as A. it keeps them on TV and B. they satisfy the network.

I see your argument and it's valid but I think OC has evolved to a point where the joke of the gimmick is becoming secondary to his ability in ring. I think he's being taken a little bit more seriously than ever before. I only have a few weeks booking to support that but when he came out on Dynamite last week it felt like a star was reborn.

[Frank Drebin]

Christ. OC should have peaked with his ppv match against PAC 2.5 years ago. I'm glad the neck beards are thrilled that he's being given a top spot. Loved the idea of the "sloth" wrestler at first but they've pushed him way out of his orbit. He needs to evolve as its been the same thing over and over again for years now. I could even forgive them pushing him up the card during a time like this when there are injuries all over but he isn't a long term solution in the upper card unless the numbers are saying otherwise.

[Frank Drebin]

Where is MJF??

[Jordan]

The MJF story needs to come back this week.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Noid is for sure one of the people who thinks Orange Cassidy can't wrestle because of the gimmick.

Well, that’s just a lie. I don’t think Cassidy can wrestle because I’ve seen him wrestle and it’s horrid. People just perpetuate this myth around the guy being able to go because of the gimmick.

Orange Cassidy is why wrestling can’t have nice things. That people hide behind minute spikes of a couple of thousand people watching the silly bullshit is also telling. Attention is not approval.

He moves merchandise? How much? They never speak in terms of that do they? They let a number for someone slip one day because it set a “new record.” It was a shockingly low number of units moved. But because he’s “the most” it has to be good, right? It can’t be that they’ve niched themselves to the point that a gimmick that shits on the very genre it exists in does slightly better than people who should be drawing numbers. Nice!

[Mr. Nerfect]

Even if the guy was good (he isn’t), the gimmick itself defeats the whole purpose of having wrestling. Smarks will bitch and moan about how nothing means anything anymore, but then champion a guy who smacks you in the face with “this isn’t real, so why bother even trying?” You might as well get rid of all your belts and not even have matches at that point.

You don’t have to think it’s real, but it’s nice for art to have a bit of integrity sometimes.

[xrodmuc316]

Everybody debating whether Orange Cassidy sucks or not, yet Orange Cassidy is so much better than (ohhh XRod doing a gimmick!!!) CM Punk.

Orange Cassidy might not be everybody's cup of tea, but he never gave visual proof he is incapable of actually winning a fight or injured himself jumping into a crowd like a little bitch :rofl:

[Mr. Nerfect]

CM Punk vs. Orange Cassidy in a shoot fight on PPV. I’m there.

[Mr. Nerfect]

People think that Orange Cassidy is a draw. AEW is watched be 1 million people a week, if that. Having 10 people come to your tent to see you eat live mice doesn’t make you a star just because the bearded woman only has 8. Especially when there are 100 people who would have gone to the fair if your act wasn’t creeping them out.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Also, it’s not fucking funny. It’s a bad joke. And he can’t wrestle. It’s bad content.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The MJF story needs to come back this week.

I still don’t see the point in having one of your best wrestlers going around and knocking the company. Especially when he’s a heel and he’s got a damn good point. What’s the end game here?

We could be living in a world where MJF is World Champion. Or where he’s taking advantage of CM Punk being injured and making a move for the World Title and rubbing it in his face.

Now he’s not on television…on purpose. Like…what?

[#1-norm-fan]

I miss Jazzy Foot forcing titty honking into every discussion. That was an awkward obsession we could all get behind.

Better days.

[drave]

All I'm getting is you want to see OC's honking titties, O' King.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Omega’s taken aim at Cornette again. Apparently he didn’t feel he was already banged up enough.

[drave]

Does Cornette wanna honk Omega's titties?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Omega thinks so. But Kenny’s the one honking his own titties.

[drave]

Self-gratification honking....




hmmm,




NEW MARKET!

[Mr. Nerfect]

He‘s so desperate to feel love he can’t get his own hands away from honking himself.

[drave]

Multi person titty honking.... DONE!

[Mr. Nerfect]

Titty honking elimination three way best two out of three series

[drave]

on a pole!




OMG




Judy "PlzHonkMyTitties" Bagwell on a Pole match. Winner is the frst to honk them dangling sweater cows. Won't even have to climb up the ropes.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Remember when WCW had Torrie Wilson in a cage? They should have had people think her titties then. Someone could have gotten distracted honking her titties so they’d forget to let her out so someone else could honk her titties the next week.

[Mr. Nerfect]

WrestleMania 17 would have been an even more classic PPV if Chyna vs. Ivory was a titty honking match. And if Rhyno had honked one of Lita’s titties in TLC.

[#1-norm-fan]

Noid is fixed. You’re welcome, TPWW.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I’ve finally gotten around to watching clips of Christian’s current heel work. Outstanding. A-grade stuff. He’s actually made me interested in Luchasaurus. What a fucking promo. Double his pay.

When they do something right, you’ve got to give them credit. It’s just a shame about the rest of the show.

[Jordan]

I’ve finally gotten around to watching clips of Christian’s current heel work. Outstanding. A-grade stuff. He’s actually made me interested in Luchasaurus. What a fucking promo. Double his pay.

When they do something right, you’ve got to give them credit. It’s just a shame about the rest of the show.

This is my only memory of you saying AEW has done something right. But you are right, Christian is so good as a heel like this. Babyface Christian was terrible in comparison.

Sad that it took so long to get something good with him, even though the matches were great his story with Kenny failed to deliver the heat. Nobody wanted Christian to win the AEW Championship at that time, they did a poor job building that.

[Jordan]

I often read Ringsidenews because they constantly have something new to read even if it is the wrestling equivalent of TMZ. The guy who runs it I think is in Noid and Xrod's pocket, he has a huge bias against AEW.

Interesting to note though that AEW has only sold 4,672 out of a total of 7,003 tickets for tonight in Rochester. Not that bad of a showing in my opinion, it's normal for attendance to fluctuate especially now for a multitude of reasons that have and have not to do with the wrestling industry. But it is obvious to some degree that AEW isn't the same hot promotion it was in the beginning. Remember the online waiting rooms for the first several PPV's and shows? Always sold out, jam packed. Well that has died off. Probably because we thought we were going to get NXT level undercard but we got Sonny Kiss, Sammy Guevera and Nyla Rose shoved down our throats. Sammy improved obviously but still vastly overpushed.

Now we are in a transition where Tony is trying to figure out where the piece fit and it is the first obvious slump the company has had, other than the Nightmare Factory Dynamite tapings during the pandemic, but can you really blame them for that? At least we got something.

Looking forward to tonight a lot. One I'll be home to watch it. Two, I am banking on some triggers to get pulled tonight to launch us into the summer full blast. Last summer AEW was incredible, let's get it back. Lean on the stars available that we've let out of focus. Miro, Christian, Malakai & House of Black... I want to see Rush used as a main guy. DO SOMETHING WITH ANDRARDE. The dude could have been a main event player had you booked him as one instead of a joke with Matt Hardy.

[xrodmuc316]

https://i.imgflip.com/6ly8x0.jpg

[Mr. Nerfect]

This is my only memory of you saying AEW has done something right. But you are right, Christian is so good as a heel like this. Babyface Christian was terrible in comparison.

Sad that it took so long to get something good with him, even though the matches were great his story with Kenny failed to deliver the heat. Nobody wanted Christian to win the AEW Championship at that time, they did a poor job building that.

I’ve complimented some MJF promos. But most of the stuff they produce just isn’t good.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I often read Ringsidenews because they constantly have something new to read even if it is the wrestling equivalent of TMZ. The guy who runs it I think is in Noid and Xrod's pocket, he has a huge bias against AEW.

Interesting to note though that AEW has only sold 4,672 out of a total of 7,003 tickets for tonight in Rochester. Not that bad of a showing in my opinion, it's normal for attendance to fluctuate especially now for a multitude of reasons that have and have not to do with the wrestling industry. But it is obvious to some degree that AEW isn't the same hot promotion it was in the beginning. Remember the online waiting rooms for the first several PPV's and shows? Always sold out, jam packed. Well that has died off. Probably because we thought we were going to get NXT level undercard but we got Sonny Kiss, Sammy Guevera and Nyla Rose shoved down our throats. Sammy improved obviously but still vastly overpushed.

Now we are in a transition where Tony is trying to figure out where the piece fit and it is the first obvious slump the company has had, other than the Nightmare Factory Dynamite tapings during the pandemic, but can you really blame them for that? At least we got something.

Looking forward to tonight a lot. One I'll be home to watch it. Two, I am banking on some triggers to get pulled tonight to launch us into the summer full blast. Last summer AEW was incredible, let's get it back. Lean on the stars available that we've let out of focus. Miro, Christian, Malakai & House of Black... I want to see Rush used as a main guy. DO SOMETHING WITH ANDRARDE. The dude could have been a main event player had you booked him as one instead of a joke with Matt Hardy.

You can only ride being new and the promise of potential for so long. People who thought this was going to be something and now realizing that it’s, at best, has its place. If your engagement was conditional on this putting real pressure on WWE, then you’ve probably lost interest. If you need logical stories or want to see stars built? Yeah, you’re not really getting that from AEW.

[Evil Vito]

Christian is so good as a heel like this. Babyface Christian was terrible in comparison.

Agreed. Heel Christian has been fantastic. He'd been teasing his heel turn for a few weeks and I was delighted when they finally pulled the trigger.

Christian vs. Jungle Boy at All Out is gonna slap. Christian is just the perfect heel for Jungle Boy to work with.

[Evil Vito]

Interesting to note though that AEW has only sold 4,672 out of a total of 7,003 tickets for tonight in Rochester. Not that bad of a showing in my opinion, it's normal for attendance to fluctuate especially now for a multitude of reasons that have and have not to do with the wrestling industry. But it is obvious to some degree that AEW isn't the same hot promotion it was in the beginning. Remember the online waiting rooms for the first several PPV's and shows? Always sold out, jam packed. Well that has died off.

One thing I've noticed about AEW is they seem to be repeating the same markets a lot. I understood it last summer and even fall when large portions of the country were leery about re-opening, but they've been back on the road for a year now and the whole country's open. And at this point, even in another COVID outbreak, I don't see New York, California, or anything else shutting down events or anything.

Tickets still sell quickly when they hit up new markets or ones they go to less frequently. Rochester feels like a place that can only do so well going there once a quarter. Even reading the Twitter threads when they do ticket announcements, tons of people asking AEW to come to places they've never been. Change it up.

[Evil Vito]

Speaking of tickets, pumped to grab Grand Slam tickets again when they go on sale in a couple of weeks. Yeah the concession situation was a nightmare last year but A) didn't really affect me since I loaded up as soon as I got into the arena and had no reason to leave my seat except to piss the rest of the time, and B) the arena has indicated there will be a lot more staff and concession areas open this time.

Anyway, it was a fun experience so I'll be happy to do it again. Do kinda hope it's a regular Rampage though instead of a 2-hour one. 4 hours of televised wrestling is a long time to keep energy and I didn't get back to my hotel til like 2 AM.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Christian is a great person for Jungle Boy to work with, but is JB going to be able to hold up his end of the bargain in this thing?

[#1-norm-fan]

… I kinda liked babyface Christian as a big fish in a small pond in WWECW. His work was fun to watch.

[Jordan]

Christian is a great person for Jungle Boy to work with, but is JB going to be able to hold up his end of the bargain in this thing?

Time to find out.

[Evil Vito]

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Well worth clicking this for the Matt Menard promo at the start of this video. That's a goddamn promo. Love Menard and Parker.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Time to find out.

I’m glad they’re doing it. I’ve liked Jungle Boy in the ring in the past. I hope the personality and fire comes out of him though.

[XL]

I think Jungle Boy will do fine against Christian, it's what they do after he wins the feud that's going to be important.

[Mr. Nerfect]

They are not usually good with follow-ups.

[Vastardikai]

So, they have announced FTR vs Briscoes 2 for Death Before Dishonor.

Well, Weather Vane is up.

[xrodmuc316]

Role Model and Upstanding Person

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[Vastardikai]

Role Model and Upstanding Person

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So he got fired without actually getting fired.

[Heisenberg]

Ok, time for bed. Y’all have a good night and prepare for another day of existence

[Heisenberg]

Could really do without all the fuckin’ curse words in this thread

[Fignuts]

Role Model and Upstanding Person

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Did they have a stroke while writing that?

Are they ok?

[Mr. Nerfect]

So, they have announced FTR vs Briscoes 2 for Death Before Dishonor.

Well, Weather Vane is up.

That’s a good start.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol, Omega’s been coming out with some crazy shit lately. He’s going around championing storytelling and suggesting that too many guys throw their bodies out there and go splat. He knows he’s talking about himself, right?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Omega’s thought this about himself forever. During his Omega/Okada series he was talking about bringing back the element of selling from classic wrestling that is missing today. He’s the least subtle guy on the planet.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Lmaooooo SRS reported yesterday I believe Cabana was set to be non renewed but a large contingent in the locker room stood up for him so he had stayed on even though he’s not been on or at TV in ages.

I’m betting they’re gonna use him a room once they figure out what they’re doing with ROH.

Poor xrod can’t keep punks name outta his mouth. It’s sad. Nowhere in what SRS reported or that Reddit post that was stated here did it even insinuate Punk had anything to do with it lol.

[Jordan]

Truthfully Kenny's style of storytelling at it's best is basically live Anime. Not knocking it at all I think Anime is really cool and I wish I had more of a interest to watch it but yeah I think that's what the Kenny/Devitt/Kota generation really evolved to. Live action Anime. They had personal stories and always kept the storytelling elements wrestling palpable like injuries or revenge and betrayal, overcoming unwinnable challenges etc...

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think it’s the idiosyncrasy of Omega’s opinion of himself that really irks me. He’ll often say that other people DON’T have stories, or they AREN’T breathing those details into things. If he wants to be deluded and think his stuff is high art, that would be one thing — I’d disagree with it, but it’s one thing. It’s how he suggests that his stuff is so damn different to everyone else.

He championed the Omega/Page story. I’ve seen people try and do the same thing. It was a 3 year arc, whatever. If you enjoy it, then fine. But this story was so horrible that #1-aew-apologist started clapping at me because I dared to think they were going down that route. Of course, I was right, and people were seeing it from a mile away, but they had to get him off TV and bring him back for a random Ladder Match to get the title shot. That’s it. That’s the story.

Former tag champs. They split up. One guy wins the World Title. The other guy does comedy until he wins a Ladder Match and suddenly becomes champ. If you’re super into it, that’s cool. But don’t tell me that’s fucking Shakespeare.

You could pull the same bullshit with Brock and Roman. This goes back to 2015 when Roman won the Rumble and got booed, it got in his head, and then Heyman got in his corner and now Brock’s the one that’s mad, grrr. You could argue it goes back to Heyman managing the Samoan Swat Team right through to Brock beating Rock at SummerSlam. It’s a 7, 20, 30 year old story or whatever.

Why is his special or different? Even if you liked it. A lot of people saw it for exactly what it was, but even if you liked it, and you can link these things like Adam Page’s abject failure for months with growth or whatever — what makes those sorts of mental gymnastics unique? Because he seems to think that stories like Page winning the World Title are what’s missing.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Christian Cage right now. He’s betrayed Jungle Boy because of a loss over a year ago. He’s doing his best to make that make sense, and he’s so good, but it’s a pretty weird thing to help a guy you’re mad at out for months only to reveal that “haha, I don’t really like you. That time I came over and cleaned out your crawl space for you? It’s because I’m EVIL!” But you can project the same Kenny Omega energy onto it. Why doesn’t this count as a 27 yr old story, because it all really starts with Christian Cage being Jungle Boy’s real father, but Omega’s “odyssey” with Page does?

And for the record, Christian Cage’s story with Jungle Boy — yeah you can say it started with the Battle Royal. Whatever. He turned on him two weeks ago. That’s where we are. It’s not fucking unique to pro-wrestling to have Christian betray his buddy. It’s fucking pro-wrestling.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I can’t wait for Zach Gowen to come back and put his artificial in a glass case. So now Gowen’s two feet can’t hit the floor. Brock Lesnar destroys the glass and puts it on the ground so Gowen can be eliminated. Gowen is not deterred, however. Well, he is for a little bit. He wrestles The Miz at WrestleMania because…reasons. Then he disappears for a while for some reason. But then he returns and wins Money in the Bank from Theory, cashes in on Brock and wins the WWE Title, getting revenge on Brock, Sable and Vince from ‘03.

20 year storytelling people.

[Mr. Nerfect]

More realistically, Zack Ryder can return and attack Edge. He kept him down all those years ago. 15 yr storytelling.

[Jordan]

Is anyone aware of Kenny's contract terms? How long?

Tony recently said something like "I think Kenny will make it back".... Made me think. Did he sign a 3 year deal initially or a 5 year deal, or did he get an extension at some point? If it's 3 years then you could see an angle here were Kenny may be using the injuries to run out his contract. He is an EVP so I am not certain he's tied to the same obligations that WWE stars would be if they tried to run out their deal. WWE just extends, will AEW?

[XL]

Christian Cage right now. He’s betrayed Jungle Boy because of a loss over a year ago. He’s doing his best to make that make sense, and he’s so good, but it’s a pretty weird thing to help a guy you’re mad at out for months only to reveal that “haha, I don’t really like you. That time I came over and cleaned out your crawl space for you? It’s because I’m EVIL!” But you can project the same Kenny Omega energy onto it. Why doesn’t this count as a 27 yr old story, because it all really starts with Christian Cage being Jungle Boy’s real father, but Omega’s “odyssey” with Page does?

And for the record, Christian Cage’s story with Jungle Boy — yeah you can say it started with the Battle Royal. Whatever. He turned on him two weeks ago. That’s where we are. It’s not fucking unique to pro-wrestling to have Christian betray his buddy. It’s fucking pro-wrestling.

That’s not quite how they’re playing it out though. He’s been explicit in that he “rode Jungle Boy’s coat-tails” to cash in easy money for as long as possible and that times up. It’s why they brought Matt Hardy into his orbit this week because he’d been doing the same thing.

[Jordan]

Yes they slid Hardy into the story but I think it's just a place holder til Jungle Boy returns.

[Evil Vito]

Is anyone aware of Kenny's contract terms? How long?

Tony recently said something like "I think Kenny will make it back".... Made me think. Did he sign a 3 year deal initially or a 5 year deal, or did he get an extension at some point? If it's 3 years then you could see an angle here were Kenny may be using the injuries to run out his contract. He is an EVP so I am not certain he's tied to the same obligations that WWE stars would be if they tried to run out their deal. WWE just extends, will AEW?

He signed a 4-year contract when the company started, so it would be coming due by the end of January 2023.

I genuinely am starting to wonder if he's actually going to return, and it has nothing to do with him wanting to change companies or anything. He's obviously had a lot of physical issues and he's realizing he's never gonna be able to heal to the full extent he might've wanted, but then you also have shit like vertigo. Wrestling with vertigo has to suuuuuuuuuck.

I dunno what else he'd do with his time or how much he's banked between NJPW and AEW over the years but I wonder if there's a point where he's just not wanting to put his body through it again. He really should scale his style back upon return but not sure he knows how to do that.

[Mr. Nerfect]

He signed a deal for four years in January 2019 with no extension option. So he’d likely be pondering his next move right now, possibly even talking to other companies, questioning if he wants to do this any more, etc.

I’ve always thought it likely the dude would leave when his deal is up. He’s not a versatile enough guy to change up his style. He’s also a pretty bitter dude when it comes to wrestling. It wouldn’t have shocked me at all to see him take $8 million, fuck around for four years, then retire and play video games and drag logs in Canada and make documentaries about how great he is. It’s only been recently, with the arrival of threats like CM Punk and Bryan Danielson, and New Japan getting into bed with AEW that I’ve really considered the possibility Omega could take a spot in WWE. The AEW video game turning into a complete disaster under his watch only compounds matters.

At this rate, I’d be pretty surprised if Omega re-signs with AEW. I think his injury stuff is largely bullshit. A bit of a Shawn Michaels trick.

[Mr. Nerfect]

This is a dude who lied to New Japan about joining AEW right up to the Tokyo Dome in 2019. He then talked about how little their dicks were when it came to offers. He also fucked with Delirious and Cornette on his way out of ROH. This guy is not an honest or genuine person. He was always going to chew up AEW if things didn’t go his way.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Do not be surprised at all if AJ Styles vs. Kenny Omega is on the WrestleMania 39 card.

[Crippla]

He signed a 4-year contract when the company started, so it would be coming due by the end of January 2023.

I genuinely am starting to wonder if he's actually going to return, and it has nothing to do with him wanting to change companies or anything. He's obviously had a lot of physical issues and he's realizing he's never gonna be able to heal to the full extent he might've wanted, but then you also have shit like vertigo. Wrestling with vertigo has to suuuuuuuuuck.

I dunno what else he'd do with his time or how much he's banked between NJPW and AEW over the years but I wonder if there's a point where he's just not wanting to put his body through it again. He really should scale his style back upon return but not sure he knows how to do that.

Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking. He might be done putting his body through all the physical brutality of wrestling for now and just stay behind the scenes and be able to actually focus a little bit on his personal life. And of course there is always the possibility of him getting back into the ring again in the future and maybe "scaling his style back" a little bit as you said which might be easier to do after a lengthy period of not wrestling.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Omega can make a good living wrestling a handful of times a year. I think the bath with Ospreay will happen at some point. Plus whatever other dream matches he has left in him.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Behind the scenes is…probably not the place for him. Creatively, his role with the women was largely panned. Even the most hardcore AEW fan admits that their women’s division sucks. And his work on the video game literally chased the lead developer to the competition and has allegedly run up a MASSIVE deficit for the company.

I don’t think he’ll be back for a pay cut either. So is he even worth keeping if he wants to agent or scout talent? And who can trust him on that? His early picks are all leaving the promotion. Joey Janela, Alan Angels, etc.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I didn’t watch the show: Was there any mention of him at Forbidden Door? It would be interesting. It was funny that Kota Ibushi’s issues with New Japan popped up around the same time as the build to the show. He and Kenny are very close. There could be some sort of hurt feelings there. It wouldn’t shock me if BOTH Omega and Ibushi walk away from their respective companies when their deals are up.

It wouldn’t be totally shocking to see The Golden Lovers show up in DDT. Maybe Omega also doubles as a producer of sorts for Tokyo Joshi Pro or something like that.

[slik]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

Ew.

[Sting Fan]

That’s not quite how they’re playing it out though. He’s been explicit in that he “rode Jungle Boy’s coat-tails” to cash in easy money for as long as possible and that times up. It’s why they brought Matt Hardy into his orbit this week because he’d been doing the same thing.

And hes now doing the same to Luchasaurus. Simple but effective story line being played out by a guy who is real strong on the mic. Makes even more sense in an AEW context where they often talk to money as a motivator.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Christian rode Jungle Boy’s coattails to an impact world title run, a main event at their biggest ppv to date to that point, and a tag title run. And bailed immediately after it was over to try and corrupt the monster of the group. It’s been a great story thus far and I have little doubt Jungle Boy will get his revenge probably at All Out. Idk how anybody couldn’t follow what has been a simple and effective story. Unless of course you just don’t watch but for some reason incessantly post and complain about the product.

[rez]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

Marko Stunt has come out with some harsh comments on AEW. Basically said he was ghosted by Tony Khan and couldn’t get a straight answer on what was going on with his contract.

It’s funny to see AEW apologists take the Cornette position and say “It’s Marko Stunt! Who cares? He sucks and shouldn’t have been in wrestling anyway!” Yeah, he was a terrible hire. It doesn’t make Tony Khan ghosting him ok.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">MY BACKFLIP ON TRICYCLE!⚰️ <a href="https://t.co/XGz8vTxDUj">pic.twitter.com/XGz8vTxDUj</a></p>&mdash; DARBY ALLIN (@DarbyAllin) <a href="https://twitter.com/DarbyAllin/status/1546546615275491328?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 11, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In 2022 Wardlow’s won the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FaceOfTheRevolution?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#FaceOfTheRevolution</a>, became <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AllElite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AllElite</a> at <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DoubleOrNothing?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#DoubleOrNothing</a>, + became TNT Champion last week!<br>Now <a href="https://twitter.com/RealWardlow?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RealWardlow</a>’s issued an open challenge for <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> &amp; his opponent is red hot fresh off back-to-back tv wins<br><br>TNT Championship<br>Wardlow vs <a href="https://twitter.com/orangecassidy?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@orangecassidy</a> <a href="https://t.co/PfkkEdbpzX">pic.twitter.com/PfkkEdbpzX</a></p>&mdash; Tony Khan (@TonyKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1546630462650531840?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 11, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[xrodmuc316]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In 2022 Wardlow’s won the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FaceOfTheRevolution?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#FaceOfTheRevolution</a>, became <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AllElite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AllElite</a> at <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DoubleOrNothing?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#DoubleOrNothing</a>, + became TNT Champion last week!<br>Now <a href="https://twitter.com/RealWardlow?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RealWardlow</a>’s issued an open challenge for <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> &amp; his opponent is red hot fresh off back-to-back tv wins<br><br>TNT Championship<br>Wardlow vs <a href="https://twitter.com/orangecassidy?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@orangecassidy</a> <a href="https://t.co/PfkkEdbpzX">pic.twitter.com/PfkkEdbpzX</a></p>&mdash; Tony Khan (@TonyKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1546630462650531840?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 11, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

2 wins in a row is "RED HOT" lol! Tiny is such a Toolbag

[Vastardikai]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In 2022 Wardlow’s won the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FaceOfTheRevolution?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#FaceOfTheRevolution</a>, became <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AllElite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AllElite</a> at <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DoubleOrNothing?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#DoubleOrNothing</a>, + became TNT Champion last week!<br>Now <a href="https://twitter.com/RealWardlow?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RealWardlow</a>’s issued an open challenge for <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> &amp; his opponent is red hot fresh off back-to-back tv wins<br><br>TNT Championship<br>Wardlow vs <a href="https://twitter.com/orangecassidy?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@orangecassidy</a> <a href="https://t.co/PfkkEdbpzX">pic.twitter.com/PfkkEdbpzX</a></p>&mdash; Tony Khan (@TonyKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1546630462650531840?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 11, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The only reasonable way for this to end is like this:

Orange does his hands in his pockets schtick. Wardlow kicks him in the stomach and powerbombs him eleventy times and pins him. Worst thing they can do is make this competitive.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Agreed but they’re going to

[Evil Vito]

The problem is OC is so over, Wardlow squashing him likely ends up getting Wardlow heat when he's supposed to be a hot babyface.

So they've booked themselves into a corner with this.

[drave]

2 wins in a row is "RED HOT" lol! Tiny is such a Toolbag


It's the NBA Jam rule of three in a row.




1) nothing
2) "he's heating up!"
3) "He's on FIRE!!!!!!!"

[Evil Vito]

Mind you, I don't mind OC having competitive matches most of the time. He's one of my faves. Crowds love him. But Wardlow's a difference beast.

If the match is competitive, OC needs to come right out of the hate trying for flash pins or whatever and establish out of the gate that he's trying. Because even I have a tough time suspending my disbelief that Wardlow wouldn't just truck him if he was in his normal slacker mode to start the match.

[drave]

Rise Above Hate


Be A *

[Evil Vito]

Actual spot I could see opening the match: OC starts with his hands in his pockets, Wardlow immediately goes for a Powerbomb, OC ends up managing to roll out of it over the top, hands in pockets the whole time

Surely if they're gonna have an actual match he's gonna have to try to out-quick Wardlow as it's his only chance.

[Vastardikai]

This is a dude who lied to New Japan about joining AEW right up to the Tokyo Dome in 2019. He then talked about how little their dicks were when it came to offers. He also fucked with Delirious and Cornette on his way out of ROH. This guy is not an honest or genuine person. He was always going to chew up AEW if things didn’t go his way.

I have also never seen him take responsibility for anything. Like, somehow he isn't in charge of folks wrestling at a show he was promoting. The whole Women's Division only getting one segment (not counting Baker). The exploding ring fiasco. Almost killing Impact. Not putting over anyone in Impact or AAA.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Making sense of all the TBS and TNT changes now Zas is the final boss <a href="https://t.co/93LGGpCzEi">https://t.co/93LGGpCzEi</a></p>&mdash; Gavin Bridge (@iruletv) <a href="https://twitter.com/iruletv/status/1547228792313106432?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 13, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Mr. Nerfect]

I have also never seen him take responsibility for anything. Like, somehow he isn't in charge of folks wrestling at a show he was promoting. The whole Women's Division only getting one segment (not counting Baker). The exploding ring fiasco. Almost killing Impact. Not putting over anyone in Impact or AAA.

Everything perceived as good comes from him, anything rejected is someone else.

[Sepholio]

Somethings going on with Keithly again. He posted some tweet about getting bad news and wishing his brothers well in the match night regardless of the outcome. Mentioned something about being gone again. TK says he is still in the match tonight, so I dunno what's going on here. Hope he's OK.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“First they went All In, then they went All Out, and now they keep going All Out. But how can you keep going All Out when you haven’t gone back in? You’ve got to go in to go out. Why not just cover your bases and call it All Around?” <a href="https://t.co/oqYmhwS9C3">pic.twitter.com/oqYmhwS9C3</a></p>&mdash; RJ City (@RJCity1) <a href="https://twitter.com/RJCity1/status/1547255079425671168?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 13, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Mr. Nerfect]

Somethings going on with Keithly again. He posted some tweet about getting bad news and wishing his brothers well in the match night regardless of the outcome. Mentioned something about being gone again. TK says he is still in the match tonight, so I dunno what's going on here. Hope he's OK.

Don’t wish bad on the guy, but I hope he goes and sorts his shit out. He’s not very good but he thinks he’s amazing.

[#1-norm-fan]

Keith Lee is pretty good. Especially by today’s standards.

[screech]

I'm sure this has been brought up but I noticed on Rampage the other day that the ROH World Champion is shorter than Tony Schiavone. This episode was the first time I'd seen the champion in any setting and it did not leave a good impression.

I know it's not a massive deal to have smaller champions anymore but damn.

[Fignuts]

Daniel Bryan is smaller.

Gresham is fun size.

[Vastardikai]

They keep Gresham around so someone can be shorter than Adam Cole.

[screech]

Huh. Have never noticed Bryan vs Tony height-wise. Though it's rare that I get to pay attention 100p because of dad stuff.

[screech]

They keep Gresham around so someone can be shorter than Adam Cole.

I buy this

[Sting Fan]

Wardlow vs. OC actually ended up being pretty fun. Maybe a min or two too long but ridiculous fun and Wardlow looked a beast.

[Sepholio]

Oh....oh man. AEW is apparently about to give the Paul Wight another run...only this time he will be playing his Captain Insano character from Waterboy. I...I don't know what to say.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The greatest wrestling promotion ever!

[screech]

Oh....oh man. AEW is apparently about to give the Paul Wight another run...only this time he will be playing his Captain Insano character from Waterboy. I...I don't know what to say.

lol wasn't part of the reason he signed because they agreed to let him do that?

[Evil Vito]

Yeah it's been known for ages. He'll likely squash a couple of Dark regulars or The Ass Boys and call it a day. Dude can barely move.

[#1-norm-fan]

Loved how they’ve used him in the past. I think he had a dark match or two after but his one main roster feud was just him squashing an undercard guy. Not doing the WWE tactic of making him look like a bum for the sake of a young guy who doesn’t end up getting anything from it anyway. Perfect legend booking.

[Lock Jaw]

I hope they can pick up his feud with Billy Gunn and the Assboys.... they can pretend that they didn't just completely drop the story after they turned heel on him, and say that they were just doing masterful long term story-telling.

[xrodmuc316]

Oh....oh man. AEW is apparently about to give the Paul Wight another run...only this time he will be playing his Captain Insano character from Waterboy. I...I don't know what to say.

It is ridiculous, sure, but is it any more ridiculous than a dinosaur, alien, zombie, panda, or wizard? A character from a movie 24 years ago is pretty on par for the course in this real sports like feel company.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I hope they can pick up his feud with Billy Gunn and the Assboys.... they can pretend that they didn't just completely drop the story after they turned heel on him, and say that they were just doing masterful long term story-telling.

:lol:

[Jordan]

Apparently Adam Cole has a torn labrum which I've had happen to me, it's very painful. Don't look for Cole to "get bigger" any time soon. You can't really bench press or overhead press with that injury. He's chosen not to do surgery, which means it's probably never going to fully heal especially if he returns to the ring this summer. He should have had surgery.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don’t think anyone expected Adam Cole to get any bigger barring some sort of life crisis.

[Evil Vito]

I've never been someone who's been a stickler for size and even I think he's looked like shit for much of this year.

Can't do anything about your stature but even in NXT he at least had a little bit of muscle definition. He was never a specimen obviously, but at least looked like some work was being put in, probably because he had to train at the PC.

Now it feels like he hasn't lifted a dumbbell since September.

[xrodmuc316]

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[Damian Rey 2.0]

He should at least look like an athlete. Not every mma fighter is shredded but even the bigger guys and heavyweights like Mark Hunt look like they lift. Cole should site for a Bryan Danielson type physique.

[Sepholio]

So when the tag titles changed the other night it turns out that Ricky Starks was not the legal man when he got pinned. Wonder if they acknowledge this next week.

[Mr. Nerfect]

So when the tag titles changed the other night it turns out that Ricky Starks was not the legal man when he got pinned. Wonder if they acknowledge this next week.

They’ll have to play it up now, because people have noticed it, but it totally wasn’t part of the plan. Just bad officiating.

[slik]

Rey Fenix seems like he might have injured his knee on RAMPAGE

[slik]

very tired of Rey/Penta losing their masks in matches also

[Triple A]

Not a very good Rampage imho

[slik]

I only saw the main event and thought it was a mess

[XL]

Rey Fenix seems like he might have injured his knee on RAMPAGE

He seems to get injured every week.

[Mr. Nerfect]

He seems to get injured every week.

I was going to say the same thing.

[Crippla]

He's made of glass... he's like the Rob Gronkowski of wrestling but not nearly on the same level of talent.

[Mr. Nerfect]

There’s something to the guy. I think there’s actual charisma there. But he hurts himself so much it’s going to be like “Oh that guy who always hurts himself?” and he’ll be forgotten about fairly quickly.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Fenix should have been split off from Pentagon way earlier and encouraged to sell and really get mileage out of his body and charisma before now. I’d like to see what he could do with a Claudio Castagnoli, since Claudio works well with smaller guys like that.

[Maluco]

When does someone step in with authority in AEW and tell these guys to tell a story or two and tone down their matches?

Your springboard plancha means more at the culmination of a feud. Have a personality and you don’t need to kill yourself every week!

[Fignuts]

He's not made of glass.

He just gives no fucks and launches himself as hard and as fast as he can at the guard rails.

[Fignuts]

Thats not a compliment, btw

[Mr. Nerfect]

When does someone step in with authority in AEW and tell these guys to tell a story or two and tone down their matches?

Your springboard plancha means more at the culmination of a feud. Have a personality and you don’t need to kill yourself every week!

The fan base eats up these guys doing frivolous shit and hurting themselves way too much for TK to distance himself from that approach.

[Jordan]

Rey Fenix excluded, a lot of the current AEW injuries happened on pretty basic spots. Like Punk he just hopped a guard rail and his foot was destroyed. Santana ripped his knee performing a uranagi, Danielson got a knock on the head. Fenix is the one who gets his arm broke in half doing crazy shit.

[Sepholio]

lol AEW has signed Two Dimes Donovan mere weeks after WWE let him go for violating the wellness policy.

[Evil Vito]

NXT has a stricter wellness policy than main roster IIRC. WWE apparently told him they’d re-sign him in a year which to me sounds like he only barely tested positive for a traced substance, maybe even a false positive, but they had to go by the books.

Anyway, I’d imagine he’s on one of those lower tier agreements where he’s mostly just there to work Dark but can otherwise leave at any time or take bookings anywhere else. Not too surprising to see him there because he was a Dark often during the pandemic which helped get him and a handful of other Dark regulars signed this year.

[Mr. Nerfect]

lol AEW has signed Two Dimes Donovan mere weeks after WWE let him go for violating the wellness policy.

It’s more applicable in other cases, but AEW really need to stop going after WWE developmental flakes. They’re also apparently using Parker Bourdreau? If someone has got the look and/or pedigree to be someone and WWE just cut them, chances are there was something they didn’t get. We’ve seen it with Cesar Benoni, Marina Shafir and a few others. I know the fun narrative is WWE = evil stinky morons who don’t know what they’re doing, but you need to stop loving the smell of your own farts as a promotion.

I don’t know anything about this Donovan guy, but he was REALLY valuable, I doubt he would be a free agent. He might be sitting at home eating lumps or whatever, but if AEW gets access to a WWE developmental act, chances is they couldn’t really cut it at a developmental level.

[xrodmuc316]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">11 years ago today <a href="https://twitter.com/CMPunk?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@CMPunk</a> set the wrestling world ablaze.<br><br>He’s every bit as good today &amp; he’s the <a href="https://twitter.com/AEW?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AEW</a> World Champion.<br>Check out<br>The First Dance,<br>All Out 2021,<br>Full Gear 2021,<br>Revolution 2022, +<br>Double or Nothing 2022<br>to see why &amp; how CM Punk proved he’s still Best in the World</p>&mdash; Tony Khan (@TonyKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1548664659988848641?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 17, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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[Jordan]

lol AEW has signed Two Dimes Donovan mere weeks after WWE let him go for violating the wellness policy.

Does he flip?

[Tom Guycott]

It’s more applicable in other cases, but AEW really need to stop going after WWE developmental flakes. They’re also apparently using Parker Bourdreau? If someone has got the look and/or pedigree to be someone and WWE just cut them, chances are there was something they didn’t get. We’ve seen it with Cesar Benoni, Marina Shafir and a few others. I know the fun narrative is WWE = evil stinky morons who don’t know what they’re doing, but you need to stop loving the smell of your own farts as a promotion.

I don’t know anything about this Donovan guy, but he was REALLY valuable, I doubt he would be a free agent. He might be sitting at home eating lumps or whatever, but if AEW gets access to a WWE developmental act, chances is they couldn’t really cut it at a developmental level.

Being 100% fair, Cesar got a raw deal anyway. He was there during that phase of WWE "future planning" that consisted of "hiring a bunch of various hispanic guys because we're going to start a big marketing push into South America!" that never happened (sort-of like hiring a bunch of Indian and Middle Eastern guys and then trying to rehab years of shit booking for Jinder Mahal inside of three weeks so he can be a top heel in India). Then they just kinda didn't do shit with half of them even in developmental. And he was in that half.

Marina was just ass, but got the rub because of the Horsewomen thing (note: someone tried to "correct" me before - I'm referring to the MMA Horsewomen of Ronda Rousey, Shayna Baezler, Marina Shafir, and Jessamyn Duke, not the wrestling Horsewomen of Charlotte, Bayley, Sasha, and Becky Lynch). You'd think more than 25% of that group would "get it" at at least a passable level, but in the end, the only jewel from that turd has always been Shayna. Rousey was "the name draw", but Baezler has nearly flawlessly transitioned to a pro wrestler from jump. If only WWE'd stop having her do bullshit like throw her in random nowhere tag teams or bite necks with comedic amounts of fake blood...

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Marina fucking sucks

[Sepholio]

Boy, wait til you see her in person. She has no business being in that ring. Probably the worst I have ever seen, male or female. It was EMBARASSING.

[Sepholio]

Big Daddy Shirley Crabtree looks like someone who belongs on the Mount Rushmore of wrestling if you compared him to Marina. She's that bad.

[xrodmuc316]

I have said it before, but HOW she can be married to Roddy Strong, trained with top athletes like Ronda and Shayna, and with an MMA background, it is astounding that she can be as bad as she is.

[Fignuts]

Because she can't just absorb Roderick Strong's talent through his seed.

[xrodmuc316]

Because she can't just absorb Roderick Strong's talent through his seed.

LOL of course not, but he must have tried to impart some wisdom to her. She has to have learned something that would make her better, I mean its Roderick Strong!

[Lock Jaw]

Yeah, even Brie Bella got a bit better from being in a relationship with Daniel Bryan.

[Evil Vito]

I never understood bringing in Shafir. Like even if you thought there was some potential there that could be unearthed, let it be on Dark for a long while. I have no idea what they saw on Dark to make them think she'd be a fit on live TV.

A clunky, uncoordinated in-ring performer on top of being an absolute vacuum of charisma.

[Evil Vito]

I can't even use the angle that they brought her in to tempt Roddy to come in...because if/when Roddy ever gets released, of fucking course AEW was gonna be the assumed landing spot with the rest of the Undisputed Era. Wouldn't have mattered if his talentless wife was there or not.

[xrodmuc316]

https://www.ringsidenews.com/2022/07/17/aubrey-edwards-accused-of-filing-mass-dmca-takedown-notices-for-aew-under-fake-name/

I am SOOOOOO glad AEW is the good guys and not like the Evil FEDBAD!

:roll:

[Mr. Nerfect]

For shame, AEW. For shame.

[#1-norm-fan]

Damn. Ruining some internet nerds’ fun. This is certainly worse than that time Vince raped a woman.

[Fignuts]

It might not be as serious as WWE's current scandals, but it's still a slimey, shitty thing to do.

Fair use has taken such an unbelievable beating over the years.

[Evil Vito]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">With love, thank you. 🖤 <a href="https://t.co/2Cfrv78PhC">pic.twitter.com/2Cfrv78PhC</a></p>&mdash; A.Q.A 😈 (@AQAOfficial10) <a href="https://twitter.com/AQAOfficial10/status/1549021640863862784?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 18, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

AQA has stepped away from wrestling after only 6 matches with AEW, citing mental and physical health.

[Fignuts]

Damn, seemed like she had potential. Great looking shooting star press, too.

[BigCrippyZ]

For shame, AEW. For shame.

Holy fuck! :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: You all are just as pathetically dumb and desperate as the moron who apparently tweeted this. You should really leave the lawyering to us actual lawyers.

AEW can have as many multiple different unregistered agents who can SEND DMCA takedown notices on behalf of AEW when AEW claims someone else is infringing AEW's copyright(s) that AEW wants taken down. For example, a Twitter user uploads content to Twitter that infringes on AEW's copyrights, AEW can hire or appoint multiple agents to find and issue DMCA notices for AEW. It sound like this is something he used to some degree be involved in for AEW, maybe as someone who was supposed to research ContentID and/or look for infringing content for AEW. There's no such thing as a US Copyright Office registered agent for SENDING notices on behalf of someone.

AEW can only have one registered agent with this US Copyright Office who RECEIVES DMCA takedown notices for AEW FROM other parties who are claiming copyright infringement of the other party's copyright(s) by AEW on an AEW owned platform/website. For example, AEW allows visitors to their website or users of some other AEW owned platform to upload content to the AEW website/platform, then AEW would want to have a DMCA registered agent to RECEIVE DMCA notices from (let's say WWE) claiming the user uploaded content that infringed WWE's copyrights.

This clown doesn't understand this and is claiming that because the agents issuing DMCA notices for AEW aren't the same as the single agent registered to receive AEW's DMCA notices that this is somehow bad. He couldn't be more wrong. This idiot says I'm not a lawyer and then proceeds to claim that AEW will have a legal issue in a way that doesn't apply to the situation he's claiming occurred.

The only way AEW's lack of a DMCA registered agent would impact AEW is if AEW was the owner of a host platform or website that allowed independent users of the platform/website to post content to AEW's platform and IF any user posted content that infringed the copyright(s) of other parties who sued AEW, AEW could be liable for $ damages for infringement as much as the user would be. That's not what he's even claiming happened here, let alone that it's the legal issue he's bringing to their attention, and given that as far as I know, AEW doesn't own a platform that allows independent user's to upload user submitted content to the platform, this guy's so out of his depth and misinformed.

What happened is someone sent his email on to counsel who said "oh we should really go ahead and register an DMCA agent in case AEW ever decides to start a platform/site that allows users to upload content on it or if AEW's website gets hacked through a CMS user account by someone who randomly uploads infringing content"

Also, :lol: at that email being "threatening".

[xrodmuc316]

Damn. Ruining some internet nerds’ fun. This is certainly worse than that time Vince raped a woman.

Wow...

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Great argument, as always :roll:

[xrodmuc316]

Holy fuck! :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: You all are just as pathetically dumb and desperate as the moron who apparently tweeted this. You should really leave the lawyering to us actual lawyers.

AEW can have as many multiple different unregistered agents who can SEND DMCA takedown notices on behalf of AEW when AEW claims someone else is infringing AEW's copyright(s) that AEW wants taken down. For example, a Twitter user uploads content to Twitter that infringes on AEW's copyrights, AEW can hire or appoint multiple agents to find and issue DMCA notices for AEW. It sound like this is something he used to some degree be involved in for AEW, maybe as someone who was supposed to research ContentID and/or look for infringing content for AEW. There's no such thing as a US Copyright Office registered agent for SENDING notices on behalf of someone.

AEW can only have one registered agent with this US Copyright Office who RECEIVES DMCA takedown notices for AEW FROM other parties who are claiming copyright infringement of the other party's copyright(s) by AEW on an AEW owned platform/website. For example, AEW allows visitors to their website or users of some other AEW owned platform to upload content to the AEW website/platform, then AEW would want to have a DMCA registered agent to RECEIVE DMCA notices from (let's say WWE) claiming the user uploaded content that infringed WWE's copyrights.

This clown doesn't understand this and is claiming that because the agents issuing DMCA notices for AEW aren't the same as the single agent registered to receive AEW's DMCA notices that this is somehow bad. He couldn't be more wrong. This idiot says I'm not a lawyer and then proceeds to claim that AEW will have a legal issue in a way that doesn't apply to the situation he's claiming occurred.

The only way AEW's lack of a DMCA registered agent would impact AEW is if AEW was the owner of a host platform or website that allowed independent users of the platform/website to post content to AEW's platform and IF any user posted content that infringed the copyright(s) of other parties who sued AEW, AEW could be liable for infringement as much as the user as an infringer as well. That's not what he's even claiming happened here, let alone that it's the legal issue he's bringing to their attention, and given that AEW doesn't own a platform that allows independent user's to upload content to the platform, this guy's so out of his depth and misinformed.

What happened is someone sent his email on to counsel who said "oh we should really go ahead and register an DMCA agent in case AEW ever decides to start a platform/site that allows users to upload content on it or if AEW's website gets hacked through a CMS user account by someone who randomly uploads infringing content"

Also, :lol: at that email being "threatening".

None of that changes the question of why does Aubrey have to create a fake name to issue the takedowns?

Oh and what about AEW making a big point how they would not do exactly this, that they are not going to be evil like FEDBAD. I guess protecting copyright material for monetary gain is off limits, but doing so when somebody does it without praising DUBGOOD, well that is a noble endeavor.

[#1-norm-fan]

It might not be as serious as WWE's current scandals, but it's still a slimey, shitty thing to do.

Fair use has taken such an unbelievable beating over the years.

Agreed.

A simple “It’s a shitty, slimey thing to do” is a smart assessment. :y:

[BigCrippyZ]

:lol::lol::lol: You have no fucking clue let alone proof that the named agent is remotely fake. Aubrey can be an agent of AEW who's merely doing the work on behalf of the named agent you dumb fuck. It's like if someone hired my firm (or even me directly as the attorney owner of my firm) to be their issuing DMCA takedown agent. I can then appoint an associate lawyer or even a paralegal or intern in my firm to act as my agent to actually draft and/or send the notices. This happens all the time.

[BigCrippyZ]

There's also no rule or law that prohibits a registered agent from using an alias. It's not necessarily best practice or something I'd recommend but there's nothing unethical, illegal, or wrong in doing so.

[BigCrippyZ]

Also, Tony never said he wouldn't protect AEW's IP, he said AEW wouldn't take ownership or control of their talent's IP as company property. In other words, the company IP will be (videos, logos, original music, etc.) protected, but AEW wouldn't take IP rights to their talent's names, ring gear, or prevent talent from doing outside deals involving their name, image, and likeness .