All Elite Wrestling

[Mr. Nerfect]

You also have to keep in mind what Tony and his team are telling talent to encourage them to sign. Broken promises can very quickly make talent miserable. Malakai Black has references those. If Danhausen was brought in under the impression he would be able to appear on television injured, because he is such a goofy character, or if he keeps being told “yes” when the reality is no, that can really fry someone.

Tony Khan seems like the sort of person who has all these positive opinions and ideas until it comes time to put them into practice.

[weather vane]

If his recent tweets are anything to go off of you can add Danhausen to the list of people who seem unhappy(hausen). Granted he always tweets in character so it's easy to construe his tweets as joking around but he does sometimes pepper in stuff that even in character is clearly venting/passive aggressive (his friendship with Punk, the perception that he's injury prone etc). Most recently though he's been strongly hinting that his return to television has gotten bumped multiple weeks in a row and he's taken pretty clear swipes at TK.

First and foremost - if the dude actually has been getting bumped then that's just shit in general. That'll piss off anyone. But I actually think he might've been given a disservice by being off-screen the entire time. The Danhausen character feels like the kind of one that would arguably be better when he has an excuse to not wrestle.

I've actually never seen a "normal" Danhausen match. His AEW matches on TV have been 2 minutes or less and pretty much every ROH/indy match I'd seen since he got popular was short and gimmicky. I have no idea if he's capable of going the Orange Cassidy route of "evolving" beyond wrestling strictly a comedy style. If he can do that more power to him but his body's betrayed him quite a bit and maybe the company should've found a workaround to keep him involved somehow.

I don't think the injury prone accusations for him are too off base. He first got popular online when he started his YouTube show at a time he was injured in ROH. He was injured when he signed with AEW. He's been injured twice more since he got there. But his character is one that could've been used without wrestling. Even if it was just him popping up once or twice an episode from his "lair" to riff on whoever was in the ring at the time, kinda like those old Shane Helms pop-ups from 2008 SmackDown.

MJF’s mystery partner at Full Gear vs Ass Boys?

[Verbose Minch]

You also have to keep in mind what Tony and his team are telling talent to encourage them to sign. Broken promises can very quickly make talent miserable. Malakai Black has references those. If Danhausen was brought in under the impression he would be able to appear on television injured, because he is such a goofy character, or if he keeps being told “yes” when the reality is no, that can really fry someone.

Tony Khan seems like the sort of person who has all these positive opinions and ideas until it comes time to put them into practice.

Blessing in disguise. Keeping Reddithausen off TV is a win in my books

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Bryan Alvarez says that the last thing AEW needs right now is for their fans to say everything is alright <a href="https://t.co/lLiWbCiuYl">pic.twitter.com/lLiWbCiuYl</a></p>&mdash; Vick (@Vick_8122) <a href="https://twitter.com/Vick_8122/status/1724811156374585353?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 15, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Evil Vito]

So I don't disagree with his point but I do find it funny that Bryan, Vinny, and Meltzer all being lock-step in calling things like this out seems to directly line up with them getting a bit flustered with Tony's booking. And clearly they see a lot of their readers are getting annoyed with Tony's worst booking tendencies as well.

If they were enjoying the show as much as they did a couple years ago they probably would've been singing a different tune. No different than a lot of the fanbase. Even the AEW subreddit is FAR more critical of the show now than it ever was before. Any booking critiques circa 2021 would get you downvoted.

[Evil Vito]

Anyway it's been long-clear that the "new car smell" wore off and really it did sometime in summer/fall 2022 or so.

If anything, COVID helped stretch the new car smell out longer because most people view the pandemic era as being its own weird kind of bubble and the re-opening in summer 2021 was still the first time a lot of audiences ever got to go out and see AEW. They're clearly having a tough time drawing gates for repeat markets and are only in the green for these shows because they've had to raise ticket prices to make up for it.

[Evil Vito]

It's been said amongst the AEW subreddit that AEW feels a lot more like WWE Lite than ever before. In terms of how they book the fed, the number of hours on TV etc - it certainly doesn't feel like some new and exciting project anymore, it's just another wrestling company. Tony's booking alternates from scatterbrained to incredibly repetitive and his worst booking tendencies are an obvious turnoff when there's little signs of it getting better.

The lapsed fans who started watching AEW because they had given up/grown tired of WWE are lapsing back out. And there are others who are like "OK well this feels like WWE Lite now so I may as well go back to WWE". Not that you have to pick and choose a promotion BUT we only have so much free time and there's only so much we can watch in a week.

If the whole business were on a downturn it would be one thing. But WWE is obejctively churning out the best numbers they ever have and they're drawing the most fans they have since the Attitude Era. AEW's probably doing fine with their TV deals and shit so it's not like they'll go under, but they're getting largely bitch slapped right now and have done little to combat this perception.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Praising AEW was always a marketing decision. It wasn’t helpful to AEW to pretend it was good then. But now subscribers to the dirt sheets are like “This is pretty bad isn’t it?” and now the dirt sheets are better served being honest and saying “Yeah it’s kinda trash.”

[xrodmuc316]

BUY OUR PPV IF YOU WANT TO SEE THE CONTRACT SIGNING OF THIS WORLD FAMOUS WRESTLER THAT AEW FANS ARE FAMILIAR WITH!!!!!!!!

That is how you are hyping the PPV, to see the official signing of probably Will Asspray, because it is really historic that they are finally signing a guy who has already been on AEW TV a bunch of times!

[Sepholio]

lol watch it be someone like Mace or Elias

[Sepholio]

My money is on Ziggles

[xrodmuc316]

There is legit nobody available to sign that will mean anything, especially not anybody who has already been on their shows. That Forbidden Door shit means there is no shock when somebody who has already been there signs.

I suppose it could be Sasha Banks, but it is not like she can do anything to help their horrible division.

They should just say fuck it, sign Enzo, and let him verbally eviscerate everybody. Consequences be damned!

[Sepholio]

Kevin Nash will watch if they sign Enzo so they just might.

[Sepholio]

I will preface this comment by saying Kevin Nash is my favorite rassler ever. However he is one of the worst bookers ever and I can admit that. So here goes: I just realized that Kevin Nash was probably better with the book than TK is and that's fucking sad.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Andrew Zarian posted a picture of a bird in reference to the signing. Tony said it was an elephant in the room or something. That made me think of Marty Scurll, but there’s no way it’d be him. Then I remembered there is a wrestler named Robbie Eagles.

If the signing was going to be someone people cared about, they’d have told you who it was.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The way Tony Khan worded his statement and the show being in LA makes me think Ronda Rousey. I’d have guessed she’d be under some sort of no-compete with WWE though, but maybe they just don’t give a fuck.

[drave]

She made her "in-ring" return at some tag match a couple weeks ago. It was an indy fed I think? I just remember seeing a "headline" about it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

She’s worked a couple of indy dates in the California scene. The more I think about it, the more I’m pretty sure WWE would have her contract frozen/be approving who she works for. Unless they REALLY wanted her off the books. But hey, maybe they let Tony buy out her contract or something, knowing the groans it will get from AEW faithful.

The front-runner for me now is Matt Cardona. Something about TK’s wording is just pitiful enough that I could imagine it being Cardona as a “troll.” Sure, he’s respected, right?

[Mr. Nerfect]

It’s not going to be Sasha Banks or Will Ospreay. TK will be pretty desperate to bring in Goldberg, but if that was official then we’d know about it. It can’t be any of the WWE releases because the no-competes aren’t up.

Someone like Chris Hero, Timothy Thatcher or Sami Callihan are too small time to be given the PPV treatment, even if TK is a moron. Matt Cardona kind of ticks every box with it not hurting him to get the heat for being disappointing.

[xrodmuc316]

I cant see it being Ronda now that WWE and UFC merged. The UFC side would likely be more pissed about it than WWE.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It would make sense for there to be some sort of licensing agreement there too.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Christian is coming up to 3 years in AEW. I wonder when his deal is up.

[Evil Vito]

Talking the other day about Danhausen seemingly venting about his return being delayed. The more I think of it the more I think he'd be a perfect choice for MJF's partner in the ROH Tag Title match at Full Gear.

They obviously are wanting you to think MJF is gonna pick Samoa Joe, finally caving to his offer for help. But if it was gonna be Joe there's really no need to book a mystery partner around it. Also, Joe's offer comes with the contingency that he'd get another AEW World Title match. Yes most expect MJF to retain the belt in the main event but setting up another program like this kinda makes the main event more of a foregone conclusion.

MJF should be smart enough to not pick Joe because he doesn't trust him, and knows his ass is gonna get choked out the second they win. At the same time, Adam Cole and The Acclaimed are hurt and most of the rest of the locker room probably told MJF to fuck himself as they're still mad about the times he wronged them in the past. So Danhausen would be a choice that signifies that MJF had to really scrape the barrel.

As for Danhausen himself, this finally gets him back after a month of vignettes. He's popular and would probably get a good reception. It's OK for MJF to have a goofy partner because The Gunns themselves are goofy. And there's actual history there - Danhausen is the reason the "Ass Boys" chant started in the first place, so him showing up would have the Gunns on tilt.

They can have a fun little tag match to open the card. Post-match you can either get Samoa Joe some easy heat by having him come after MJF anyway or just have him choke out Danhausen. Alternatively you can have Danhausen get laid out by a Devil goon backstage to carry on the idea that MJF's associates are being targeted.

[Sepholio]

Oh man. The bird reference to the signing makes me think it really is Goldberg lol. He was an Atlanta Falcon after all.

[Sting Fan]

Oh man. The bird reference to the signing makes me think it really is Goldberg lol. He was an Atlanta Falcon after all.

Isnt the bird the journo posted an Osprey?

Goldberg in an AEW ring would probably pop me but I dont see who he works with in any longterm way with his limited style and probably looking much bigger than so many members of the roster.

[xrodmuc316]

If they hinted at Goldberg by using a bird because he played for the Atlanta Falcons 30 years ago, well that would be on par with every other stupid thing Tiny Khan books :rofl:

[Ben Rodrigues]

I cant see it being Ronda now that WWE and UFC merged. The UFC side would likely be more pissed about it than WWE.

Doubt it. The only opinion that matters in the UFC is Dana's and Dana is very close with Ronda.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I cant see it being Ronda now that WWE and UFC merged. The UFC side would likely be more pissed about it than WWE.

Well, the big surprise signing isn’t Ronda, BUT…

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ronda Rousey just made her ROH debut at the taping <br><br> <a href="https://t.co/O7HB1lb76J">pic.twitter.com/O7HB1lb76J</a></p>&mdash; Fightful Wrestling (@Fightful) <a href="https://twitter.com/Fightful/status/1725730315761521052?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 18, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

She’s there anyway

[xrodmuc316]

Well, the big surprise signing isn’t Ronda, BUT…

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ronda Rousey just made her ROH debut at the taping <br><br> <a href="https://t.co/O7HB1lb76J">pic.twitter.com/O7HB1lb76J</a></p>&mdash; Fightful Wrestling (@Fightful) <a href="https://twitter.com/Fightful/status/1725730315761521052?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 18, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

She’s there anyway



They really debuted Ronda Rousey at a ROH taping??? Wow, just wow lol. I cannot even think of a good comparison to a similar waste.

[Sepholio]

Im now wondering why Ronda left WWE.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol, oh man.

[XL]

They really debuted Ronda Rousey at a ROH taping??? Wow, just wow lol. I cannot even think of a good comparison to a similar waste.

Christian returning to WWE…in the ECW brand?

[xrodmuc316]

Christian returning to WWE…in the ECW brand?

Yeah that was kind of weird. Still though, while Christian is far more liked and respected in the wrestling world, Ronda is "famous" famous. Showing up on some random web series that maybe 15,000 people watch is something else lol.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah, the fame level of Ronda is really where the appeal is. I guess they’re trying to use her to make ROH a thing, but if people scoff then what is she really?

I guess she will be the one who shows up at Full Gear. How the crowd responds to her is going to be interesting. Will they pretend she’s the greatest thing ever?

I wonder if Britt Baker will try to bully her?

[Mr. Nerfect]

I have genuinely enjoyed some of Ronda’s work, but if she’s able to do what she wants, and what she wants are matches involving Marina Shafir…

This could be hilariously bad.

[Maluco]

Imagine if, when Mike Tyson came into WWF, they had him referee a strap match on superstars between Sávio Vega and Chainz

[Maluco]

They really debuted Ronda Rousey at a ROH taping??? Wow, just wow lol. I cannot even think of a good comparison to a similar waste.

Bret Hart, freshly off the back of one of the biggest moments in wrestling history. The most talked about man in the business at that stage, debuting as a ref for Bischoff/Zbyszko.

And Bischoff, to this day, gets so angry when you accuse him or any role in WCW’s failure. Khan is like Bischoff if he just skipped the genius part and went to the overpaying chaos section of his career.

[Lock Jaw]

Feel like ron the rousey's stock dropped a whole lot with the more hardcore rassling fans/IWC... and since that is what AEW markets to, perhaps it was her idea to debut on ROH and try to build her stock up as this "hard worker" who is going to indies and ROH, etc.... before trying to hang in front of an even more "markish" crowd of AEW

[rez]

I have genuinely enjoyed some of Ronda’s work, but if she’s able to do what she wants, and what she wants are matches involving Marina Shafir…

This could be hilariously bad.

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[Ben Rodrigues]

I don't understand why Ronda has been booked in the way that she has. She should have been female Goldberg. That's now she got over/became main stream. There were debates about her beating Mayweather in a fight.

Everything after her debut match was handled poorly.

[Vastardikai]

So allegedly, Danhausen has been selling bootleg merchandisehausen. Which is really weirdhausen, as the allegations only seemed to show uphausen because Danhausen is good friends with Pepsi Phil.

[Sepholio]

I don't understand why Ronda has been booked in the way that she has. She should have been female Goldberg. That's now she got over/became main stream. There were debates about her beating Mayweather in a fight.

Everything after her debut match was handled poorly.

Anyone who actually discussed Ronda beating Mayweather is an absolute moron and should never be listened to about anything ever.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Bret Hart, freshly off the back of one of the biggest moments in wrestling history. The most talked about man in the business at that stage, debuting as a ref for Bischoff/Zbyszko.

And Bischoff, to this day, gets so angry when you accuse him or any role in WCW’s failure. Khan is like Bischoff if he just skipped the genius part and went to the overpaying chaos section of his career.

Being handed Bret Hart and doing what they did is a hilarious example.

Tony Khan might be about to get Brian Pillman’d too, which will be amazing.

[drave]

Im now wondering why Ronda left WWE.

Ego.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The Young Bucks are taking some time away from wrestling. They’ve asked for privacy during this time. You usually attach a reason to do that to avoid unnecessary check-ins. Leading with it kind of provokes more questions.

[Evil Vito]

It was literally Brandon Cutler posting it and framing it as "sources close to" even though it's obviously just him. He posted a similar message on them being done with BTE as well.

Pretty sure this is tied to the "temper tantrum" they had after their loss on Saturday. Given how rarely they've wrestled on TV this year my guess is they've negotiated less dates in this new deal so they can get more family time. Also maybe they saw The Hardys hobbling through their matches and realized scaling back might be a good thing.

[Evil Vito]

Per Haus of Wrestling, WWE are under the belief that MJF's off the table and has quietly re-signed and committed to AEW into 2027.

MJF since he's been face, his post-show promos he always talks of AEW and himself in the long-term but does always throw in that qualifier of "I don't know what will happen in the bidding war of 2024, but...". After his match with Omega he said he thought it was the most talented locker room on the planet and that was going to weigh heavily on his decision.

And then, at Saturday's scrum he didn't even bring up the bidding war at all, instead he flat out said he plans on staying with AEW "as long as Tony pays up".

[Evil Vito]

There were whispers after his summer 2022 "hiatus" that he'd quietly inked a new deal and that the bidding war of 2024 thing was just gonna be an angle they built up to once he became the heel champ.

But even if he didn't sign back then I probably would guess he signed sometime this summer, pretty much right as his face turn was being solidified. To me that's when it shifted from "OK, let's get our money's worth out of him as a top heel champ while we can" to "OK, let's turn him face and make him the main focus of the show with no real signs of slowing down"

Just feels like he wouldn't have gotten this much without the long-term commitment in-hand, but guess we'll see.

If he has signed I imagine he'll cut a promo after the World's End main event and announce in front of Long Island that he's sticking around.

[drave]

It was literally Brandon Cutler posting it and framing it as "sources close to" even though it's obviously just him. He posted a similar message on them being done with BTE as well.

Pretty sure this is tied to the "temper tantrum" they had after their loss on Saturday. Given how rarely they've wrestled on TV this year my guess is they've negotiated less dates in this new deal so they can get more family time. Also maybe they saw The Hardys hobbling through their matches and realized scaling back might be a good thing.

Could also be that they've wrapped the last of BTE.

Could also be a running gag of Snoop Dogg saying the exact same thing about smoking late last week, same words and all. Just substitute "wrestling" for "smoke".

[Mr. Nerfect]

If AEW had re-signed AEW, we’d know. Other promotions wouldn’t be able to talk to him. Right now it sounds like speculation he’s re-signed because it would be fucking stupid to have not.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think I’ll officially lose interest in him if he stays with AEW. Okay, so you want to put a ceiling on yourself, dude? Cool.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The Young Bucks are having a tantrum, knowing they’ll get paid to sit at home.

[xrodmuc316]

I think MJF played it perfect, he pretended he was gonna leave, Tiny didn't want to lose his friend, so he got his daddy to give Max more money. MJF basically got a monster raise by saying he was getting sleepy and was going to go home.

[Mr. Nerfect]

If he got more money. He could have worked Tony by making him feel in control/part of the work by bringing him back without raising his pay. Make Tony think he’s in control of the situation.

It’s going to suck so bad if MJF stays with AEW. So fucking boring lol.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Hausman is reporting that people within the WWE are under the impression he’s signed a new deal. That’s disheartening. But why would anyone on the inside spoil it? Wouldn’t other promotions (like, literally all of them) be aware that MJF can’t talk to them because he’s under contract? Why would they protect this angle?

I’m so hoping he’s strung Tony along right to the end then just fucking jumps. He just loses to Joe at Worlds End, gets up, soaks in the cheers then shows up on Raw lol.

[Mr. Nerfect]

AEW got caught using bots to boost engagement. Which wouldn’t be a big deal in and of itself, but it’s just funny Tony cried and accused WWE of doing it.

[drave]

Anyone with a huge amount of followers on any social media are subjected to bots. Some of them know it, others are ignorant to it. You can buy followers for pennies on the dollar. Other accounts are just bots that will auto-follow any account.

This is unavoidable for anyone, ever.

Also, this is not defending whatever about AEW - just stating a social media fact.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol, I just read that AEW is creating a new Continental Champion…then unifying it on the same night it is created. Holy. Fuck.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Shouldn’t the winner of the Continental Classic just get a title shot? Bryan Danielson wins, gets a trophy. MJF, if he’s still around, now has to defend the belt against the guy he cracked in the skull with an oxygen tank or whatever.

Danielson defeats MJF as a little bit of poetry. That way you can always say the tournament worked for getting a guy to the World Title. Danielson spends the year defending the World Title and then talks about relinquishing it when his deal is up, ala Max. They do another match in Arthur Ashe where MJF wins the belt back. Danielson enters the Continental Classic and is maybe the runner-up.

[Mr. Nerfect]

If you want to send a champion over to New Japan, isn’t that what the International Championship is for?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Oh, they want Danielson? Right, send him over as World Champion or just have him win the International Title. He’s an idea, he beats Mox in the tournament final for the Continental Cup and the AEW International Title. Danielson goes over and drops the International Title to Okada.

When Danielson beats MJF for the World Title, Okada is now a guy who can challenge MJF at Forbidden Door, because he beat Danielson and it can all be part of MJF’s journey. Okada can beat MJF to retain the International Title.

You can bring that back for WrestleDream. MJF defends the World Title against International Champion, Okada. MJF can win that one. That’s half the year’s booking done right there. This doesn’t even factor in the TNT Title. You have Edge win that. He turns heel with Christian for the retirement match. Darby smacks Edge with the skateboard as he defends against the Face of the Revolution Ladder Match (Mustafa Ali?). Edge and Darby feud. Edge puts over Darby at Double or Nothing.

You can probably run Omega vs. Okada at Double or Nothing. Do MJF vs. Wardlow there, since you’ve got the history.

Mustafa Ali lasts a little while as TNT Champion. When MJF beats Danielson for the belt, you can tie Danielson into things because he wants to be AEW Grand Slam Champion. He’ll need to win the Tag Team Titles too, which he can either do with Edge or against Edge. At some point, Edge & Christian have to win the tag belts right? They should do that from FTR. So it’d make sense to have them win the belts at some point. You’ve got to play to Kenny & Jericho a little bit, so they get the belts until around Revolution. Or Don Callis’ boys can get them — maybe Hobbs & Guevara so Jericho can claim to make stars.

You bring in Will Ospreay maybe as Don Callis’ new guy. He can be the reason for the title change and start something with Jericho or go straight for the World Title.

[Splaya]

"I don't care about the product or wrestling anymore"

[Mr. Nerfect]

"I don't care about the product or wrestling anymore"

I do care about the product. I just think it sucks.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I love wrestling — the history of it, the business of it, classic stuff. I’m just not into the current direction all too much.

[Mr. Nerfect]

First Continental Classic Winner, Bryan Danielson. He wins the AEW World Title at Revolution. Wrestles Will Ospreay in the main event at Wembley. They go to a draw. The crowd is itchy for more, but Danielson turns heel by walking out. Ospreay starts a 1-year campaign for the World Title to culminate at Wembley Stadium in 2025.

That campaign sees him become the 2nd Continental Classic Winner, knocking back former champ, previous winner and the man he didn’t beat at Wembley. Instead of using his title shot for a match against MJF at Revolution, he’s putting off his title shot until All In that year.

Year 3 is where the MJF/Adam Cole stuff finally comes to an end. MJF wins the block against Cole, goes on to lose to whoever wins the other side when Cole throws in the towel. 2026 kicks off with Adam Cole and MJF at each other’s throats and whoever wins the Continental Classic to go for the World Title — which they probably win, so now you can talk about all 3 winners cashing in successfully.

[Splaya]

I love wrestling — the history of it, the business of it, classic stuff. I’m just not into the current direction all too much.

These posts seem to suggest otherwise.

[screech]

Anyone with a huge amount of followers on any social media are subjected to bots. Some of them know it, others are ignorant to it. You can buy followers for pennies on the dollar. Other accounts are just bots that will auto-follow any account.

This is unavoidable for anyone, ever.

Also, this is not defending whatever about AEW - just stating a social media fact.

Even accounts with a small number of followers (like mine) are subjected to bots. It's just part of the thing.

[Mr. Nerfect]

These posts seem to suggest otherwise.

Wait, you’re supposed to do this thing where you say I don’t follow closely enough so I can’t have an opinion.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Even accounts with a small number of followers (like mine) are subjected to bots. It's just part of the thing.

Lol, both you and total muppets. The response to both of you is “no shit.”

[Sepholio]

So if it's true that MJF has resigned through 2027, when they start pushing the "bidding war of 2024" again in a couple months WWE should just come out and say "We aren't bidding on him, he's under contract for 3 more years, this is nonsense" and ruin it just out of spite. Like when them and WCW used to try to spoil each other kinda.

[screech]

So if it's true that MJF has resigned through 2027, when they start pushing the "bidding war of 2024" again in a couple months WWE should just come out and say "We aren't bidding on him, he's under contract for 3 more years, this is nonsense" and ruin it just out of spite. Like when them and WCW used to try to spoil each other kinda.

That would pop me lol

[Mr. Nerfect]

So if it's true that MJF has resigned through 2027, when they start pushing the "bidding war of 2024" again in a couple months WWE should just come out and say "We aren't bidding on him, he's under contract for 3 more years, this is nonsense" and ruin it just out of spite. Like when them and WCW used to try to spoil each other kinda.

WWE, TNA or someone should. It’s not even out of spite. It might just temper expectations of fans who are actually excited about a move.

That’s why I am thinking he has legit not signed with anywhere. You kind of need to do this as a shoot.

Also, how Tony would be able to keep his mouth shut about it. The dude flew Will Ospreay over to appear on PPV to tell people he will be signing in a couple of months.

[Vastardikai]

I figured he had signed when he was one of the leaders of the brigade dog piling LuFisto.

He has been nothing but an AEW shill since. But MJF isn't the guy they should be scared of losing. That would be Starks. A guy who is slightly older, willing to learn, a decent promo and just needs direction. If Lexis King can be a bigger deal in such a short time, Starks would be huge.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I dunno. You may be right, and I should be expecting it so I don’t get disappointed lol, but something about the whole situation seems “off” to me. Like it’s all going to plan.

[Evil Vito]

Continental Classic field:

Blue League
Andrade El Idolo
Brody King
Bryan Danielson
Claudio Castagnoli
Daniel Garcia
Eddie Kingston

Gold League
Jay Lethal
Jay White
Jon Moxley
Mark Briscoe
Rush
Swerve Strickland

Some of these matchups are mighty tasty

[Evil Vito]

Brody King is surprising. I love the guy and guess it makes sense to work a big hoss in there but figured Buddy Matthews was the HOB member most tailor-made for it. Brody’s a great candidate to play a spoiler role in it.

Jay Lethal is a pretty whatever addition but he’ll have a reliably good match with everyone in his block and someone’s gotta finish last in the block.

20 minute time limits so I’d not be surprised if a match like Mox vs White ends up as a draw

[Corporate CockSnogger]

That’s a bit stronger than I thought it’d be tbh. I was expecting 5-6 guys at like Wheeer Yuta, Matt Sydal and Action Andretti level.

But I could still do without Lethal, Briscoe and Garcia. Swerve vs Danielson seems like a reasonable bet to be the final with Swerve getting his win back over him.

Swerve should really be getting a push into the AEW title scene but I guess they’ll just add a new belt to give to him and pretend it’s prestigious. Meh.

[screech]

But I could still do without Lethal, Briscoe and Garcia.

I thought this as well. Zero interest in any of these guys. But I guess you do need people to lose these matches, right?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Continental Classic looks pretty weak. Leaves a lot of hanging questions about why some people would make it, others wouldn’t.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Rampage is going against Survivor Series now too. They’re gonna die. SmackDown went against Collision in a different time slot and Collision got 270k or something.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Corporate Continental CockSnogging Classic

[Corporate CockSnogger]

I thought this as well. Zero interest in any of these guys. But I guess you do need people to lose these matches, right?

I guess yeah. Would just have preferred replacing those three with say Omega, Miro and Malakai or something along those lines. But like you said, someone’s gotta take the L’s. I think I’m just glad there’s no Wheeler Yuta anyway.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It’s crazy how when AEW is hurting, they do way more of the same shit that got them into that hole.

[xrodmuc316]

The participants are so random for this Bound for Glory ripoff.

If Swerve doesn't win it all then I really have no idea what the point would even be.

[screech]

I think I’m just glad there’s no Wheeler Yuta anyway.

Speaking of, his promo on dynamite tonight was so awkward lol

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Lol he’s just so bad but constantly given mic time in backstage segments. He’d be better off just staying on Rampage or ROH exclusively to try and generate some sort of charisma. He currently has negative charisma.

[Sting Fan]

Lol he’s just so bad but constantly given mic time in backstage segments. He’d be better off just staying on Rampage or ROH exclusively to try and generate some sort of charisma. He currently has negative charisma.

Kinda feels like they want him to get reps but he just doesn’t seem to have it in him. Solid upper card ROH guy is his sweet spot I reckon.

[xrodmuc316]

He truly is Wheeler Useless

[Mr. Nerfect]

QT Marshall has “resigned” from AEW. He left what seems like a pretty classy statement, but that there’s a statement at all, and the nature of some of the details he included reveals some mad layers.

[Ben Rodrigues]

Tony's going in a different direction creatively no doubt! Doesn't help that Triple H killed Amy hype they got from Osprey and implied that AEW's development system is ass in one night.

[Sepholio]

lol the head of talent relations bailing. If these L's don't stop coming TK might end up overdosing on copium.

[Sepholio]

Tuesday seems like a good day to announce a huge announcement.

[Mr. Nerfect]

QT Marshall very subtly letting people know that he formatted the shows, with the implication being “good luck without me.” Wednesday could be a real mess. :lol:

[Mr. Nerfect]

I’m imagining a format put together by Tony Khan himself looks like the jottings of a madman.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I feel so sorry for the next wrestler Tony brings in as a huge announcement. I can kind of see Dolph Ziggler getting a kick out of it, because he’s 40-whatever and past it. But way to immediately start off on the back foot.

[Mr. Nerfect]

So WBD seems to be the front-runner for Raw. It makes sense from WBD’s perspective. What are you going to sell more ad rights for? A PG juggernaut or a show that promotes people literally drinking each other’s bodily fluids?

[Mr. Nerfect]

If it goes through, people are going to blame that treacherous David Zaslav or predatory WWE. WBD have been giving AEW chance after chance for 4 years now. They’ve had time to do more than appeal to a niche.

[xrodmuc316]

So while the forum was down, a Vice President quit AND WBD wants Raw? How hasn't Tiny Khan had another meltdown yet???

[Mr. Nerfect]

Next it’s going to be MJF and taking away the New Japan deal via signing Okada.

[Mr. Nerfect]

You could feel Dave seethe through the tweet. It’s not official yet. WWE are going to do what makes sense business-wise. Amazon might come in with a giant offer or something. But WBD want wrestling. It wouldn’t SHOCK me if Raw goes somewhere else and WWE still provides TBS with 2 hrs on Wednesday.

[xrodmuc316]

What is gonna last longer, AEW or TPWWForums???

[Mr. Nerfect]

I just know TNA is going to outlast them both.

[Lock Jaw]

TNA and Twinkies will be the only survivors of the nuclear apocalypse to come

[xrodmuc316]

Speaking of, Dixie Carter was at Raw this week lol

[Mr. Nerfect]

That’ll be Tony Khan in a couple of years.

[Sting Fan]

QTs announcement seemed fine, business is going in another direction and hes not on board. All good, happens daily all around the world. From what I read hes working out his notice or not renewing contract. More power to him.

How did HHH kill the Osprey hype? I think I missed something there.

Also whats up with the forums? They always seem to be down lately.

[Mr. Nerfect]

You’re such a mark, Sting Fan lol. Sorry, but you just are. It’s nice you’re trying, I guess.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Glad you’re still enjoying the product.

[Ben Rodrigues]

QTs announcement seemed fine, business is going in another direction and hes not on board. All good, happens daily all around the world. From what I read hes working out his notice or not renewing contract. More power to him.

How did HHH kill the Osprey hype? I think I missed something there.

Also whats up with the forums? They always seem to be down lately.

I too have issues with forums! But I wasn't brave enough to say anything.

[Sting Fan]

I too have issues with forums! But I wasn't brave enough to say anything.

Websites fine for me but when I try and access the forums there down probably 50% of the time.

[Lock Jaw]

Y'all can use https://tpww.freeforums.net/ when this site is down

[Mr. Nerfect]

Thanks for the tip. :y:

[Mr. Nerfect]

So Dave just keeps getting more insane. Besides the hilarious argument he had with Bryan Alvarez about the overruns (check it out on Cornette’s YouTube — it’s great), he’s also taking up for The Bucks by trying to push this idea that Punk is pampered.

He also just CANNOT for the life of him understand how anyone can see CM Punk having issues with a Ryan Nemeth or a Jack Perry and get how there could be any connection to The Bucks.

[Splaya]

It's because Dave gets paid by the Bucks to defend them at all costs. Because any SANE person would have stopped years ago, especially after the incident overseas.

[Ben Rodrigues]

It's because Dave gets paid by the Bucks to defend them at all costs. Because any SANE person would have stopped years ago, especially after the incident overseas.

Incident? Do elaborate!

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah, I’m struggling to recall that too. Is it because all the incidents blur together?

[Mr. Nerfect]

When they didn’t get into his HOF, Meltzer said the reason they have critics is because they’ve never worked in WWE lol.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Ooh, can’t let this slip through the cracks. Ric Flair went on Rampage and went into business for himself. Just doing the horny old man shtick. But apparently he wasn’t supposed to/had the get the hook.

I’m telling you, this guy is going to work Tony into letting him work Wembley.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Oh, and now Matt Hardy is whinging about AEW. MATT HARDY!

[Ben Rodrigues]

What a time to be alive!

[Mr. Nerfect]

Britt Baker too.

They’ve also fired Kevin Sullivan, their VP of Post Production (not the Taskmaster Kevin Sullivan).

[Ben Rodrigues]

Why don't these wrestlers go to Tony directly? I don't understand the complaining online. Unless it is to rally Twitter support so Tony features them more?

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I'll guess Tony's becoming less available these days.

[Vastardikai]

Britt Baker too.

They’ve also fired Kevin Sullivan, their VP of Post Production (not the Taskmaster Kevin Sullivan).

Kevin would be a better booker.

[XL]

I'll guess Tony's becoming less available these days.

Too right!

The Booker of the Year doesn’t have time to be dealing with no-mark talent on the roster. Go speak to the Head of Talent Relations.

Oh.

[Sepholio]

Not directly AEW related, but a survey of 1300 NFL players has the Jaguars rated as one of the worst organizations to work for.

[xrodmuc316]

Not directly AEW related, but a survey of 1300 NFL players has the Jaguars rated as one of the worst organizations to work for.

Under the "other" category, the most aggravating aspects of being on the Jaguars is having to profess friendship to placate the owner's middle aged son. Players described it as disconcerting and unpleasant.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-media-max-width="560"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tony Khan so excited he didn't realize he dropped his phone 😂💀 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEW</a><a href="https://t.co/M6de1OmSob">pic.twitter.com/M6de1OmSob</a></p>&mdash; Jack Cassidy  (@RealJackCassidy) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealJackCassidy/status/1612075395603390466?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 8, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Splaya]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-media-max-width="560"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tony Khan so excited he didn't realize he dropped his phone 😂💀 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEW</a><a href="https://t.co/M6de1OmSob">pic.twitter.com/M6de1OmSob</a></p>&mdash; Jack Cassidy  (@RealJackCassidy) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealJackCassidy/status/1612075395603390466?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 8, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Lol there's no way that's true

[xrodmuc316]

Lol there's no way that's true

Look at his weird facial expression in that video, that is not normal lol. Also never forget how scorned Tiny was when a pro bowler didn't want to put up with his shit.

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/fULMOLcDW1CoSOCxocknGyPj_BA=/0x0:598x730/1400x933/filters:focal(212x217:306x311):no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/66679238/1.0.jpg

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jaguars DE Yannick Ngakoue and Jaguars co-owner/Senior VP of Football administration and technology Tony Khan exchange Tweets about his trade request. <a href="https://t.co/meNWjisYQ8">pic.twitter.com/meNWjisYQ8</a></p>&mdash; Field Yates (@FieldYates) <a href="https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/1252291516762140675?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 20, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Mr. Nerfect]

Talent going online to complain is one of the biggest red flags a company can have. It’s like they’re begging to be fired. Mid-card guys in WCW vibes.

[Ben Rodrigues]

Look at his weird facial expression in that video, that is not normal lol. Also never forget how scorned Tiny was when a pro bowler didn't want to put up with his shit.

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/fULMOLcDW1CoSOCxocknGyPj_BA=/0x0:598x730/1400x933/filters:focal(212x217:306x311):no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/66679238/1.0.jpg

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jaguars DE Yannick Ngakoue and Jaguars co-owner/Senior VP of Football administration and technology Tony Khan exchange Tweets about his trade request. <a href="https://t.co/meNWjisYQ8">pic.twitter.com/meNWjisYQ8</a></p>&mdash; Field Yates (@FieldYates) <a href="https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/1252291516762140675?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 20, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

:lol:

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol, people tried defending Tony Khan for that.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Now Jericho is saying that everyone in AEW could use 6 months working for Vince McMahon. He doesn’t say it verbatim, but it’s basically so everyone knows what it’s like to have a real boss. :lol:

[DrA]

Not directly AEW related, but a survey of 1300 NFL players has the Jaguars rated as one of the worst organizations to work for.

They got a low rating because there was a big rat infestation in their workout facility apparently, I don’t know if Tony Khan has anything to do with it.

[Sepholio]

also because they don't do anything for their players families like the other teams do.

[Jordan]

I barely keep up with AEW anymore, too bad to watch for sure. Seems so terrible! Am I right, does AEW sucks?

[Evil Vito]

I'm still enjoying a lot of it but as always it's not without flaws. Continental Classic (basically a mini G1) has been a lot of fun IMO.

[weather vane]

AEW is awesome. Love it.

[Sepholio]

I still put it on my TV because I support rasslin but I hardly ever pay attention to it for more than a few minutes at a time.

[XL]

Now Jericho is saying that everyone in AEW could use 6 months working for Vince McMahon. He doesn’t say it verbatim, but it’s basically so everyone knows what it’s like to have a real boss. :lol:

What’s the actual quote?

[screech]

What’s the actual quote?

"I say this all the time. Like in AEW, I think everybody could use six months working for Vince McMahon because that’s where you really understand what wrestling is, the wrestling business and how the business works.”

I loved working for him, and I loved going head-to-head with him and creating ideas and debating ideas and arguing ideas,” Chris Jericho said. “He always used to say, ‘I’m not here just to teach you wrestling lessons, I’m here to teach you life lessons.’ He did. He taught me a lot of life lessons.

“The guy’s a really fucking cool guy, from my experiences with him. Not easy to deal with and an asshole sometimes, but he’s your boss. You’re not supposed to be friends with your boss all the time. But then you can still get on the private jet and drink for four hours and listen to the stones.”

[Mr. Nerfect]

I barely keep up with AEW anymore, too bad to watch for sure. Seems so terrible! Am I right, does AEW sucks?

Yes AEW does suck. All the metrics back it up too. All the icebergs people pointed out were real.

[Ben Rodrigues]

AEW talents getting fined for speaking out on social media. Daniel Bryan a stooge now. It's all happening in AEW land!

[Mr. Nerfect]

What a time.

[xrodmuc316]

AEW is doing Vince Russo level swerves now, where they think it is amazing but everybody sees it coming because it is not really a swerve, it is obvious.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Why is Bryan handing out these fines?

[drave]

Because he's a stooge now.

[drave]

but no really, it's all "claims" and "rumors".


If you actually stop to think about it, the truth is most likely closer to:

He's on some sorta committee that meets about shit like this, and has a voice in what disciplinary mesaures are taken. I highly doubt he is unilaterally making those decisions.


But.... rumors n stuff

[Mr. Nerfect]

You don’t need a committee for this stuff. It’s just a way for Tony to buck responsibility.

[Mr. Nerfect]

AEW is doing Vince Russo level swerves now, where they think it is amazing but everybody sees it coming because it is not really a swerve, it is obvious.

Pretty easy to predict every single result on Dynamite this week. This Devil storyline has to be up there as an all-time bad one.

[Sting Fan]

but no really, it's all "claims" and "rumors".


If you actually stop to think about it, the truth is most likely closer to:

He's on some sorta committee that meets about shit like this, and has a voice in what disciplinary mesaures are taken. I highly doubt he is unilaterally making those decisions.


But.... rumors n stuff


Fucking ridiculous system, a veteran overseeing discipline in the locker room. When has anyone ever heard of that in wrestling? :shifty:

[Vastardikai]

Fucking ridiculous system, a veteran overseeing discipline in the locker room. When has anyone ever heard of that in wrestling? :shifty:

l'm gonna go with this:

After running off Cody and Punk, there is a certain group going after their next target: Bryan Danielson.

The next question is, if they're successful, who is next: Copeland, Christian, or Jericho?

[Mr. Nerfect]

There’s a difference between there being a vet telling the kids to pull their heads in and a wrestler being delegated the role to hand out fines because the boss is gutless.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think The Elite are going to be on their best behavior so Dave doesn’t have to report that they’re the problem. This might be why they’re taking some time off.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The next guy to cop heat is going to be the one who tries to help the younger guys. It’s a culture against learning. You’re supposed to just “know” how to get over yourself. If you need help, it’s not really you (in their minds).

Danielson will get more than stooge heat if he starts tapping people on the shoulder and makes attending seminars mandatory.

[xrodmuc316]

It is funny to think the guy who has broken his arm and face this year, who was already forced to retire once, is the guy who also apparently is supposed to reel talents in from overdoing it :rofl:

[Ben Rodrigues]

Meanwhile Tony is gorilla every week acting like Joaquin Phoenix from Gladiator.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Why is Bryan wrestling? Doesn’t he have a match with Okada scheduled for the Tokyo Dome?

[Sting Fan]

l'm gonna go with this:

After running off Cody and Punk, there is a certain group going after their next target: Bryan Danielson.

The next question is, if they're successful, who is next: Copeland, Christian, or Jericho?

I mean sure, thats basically what the IWC is now just make shit up and then quote it back as gospel later. I half expect you will be cited as sources somewhere within the next 48 hours.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I mean it's pretty obvious the Bucks are a couple of peckerwood jackoffs.

[screech]

I mean sure, thats basically what the IWC is now just make shit up and then quote it back as gospel later. I half expect you will be cited as sources somewhere within the next 48 hours.

So we'll know who they mean when the "many people are saying" lines drop

[Ben Rodrigues]

Surprisingly Edge vs Christian didn't draw.

[xrodmuc316]

Surprisingly Edge vs Christian didn't draw.

Solid $5 million of Shad's money well spent :rofl:

[Mr. Nerfect]

Wow. So apparently Stephen P. New is/was the lawyer for CM Punk and Ace Steel at some point during all that drama. He’s a Jim Cornette sponsor. He also represented the independent talent that got “Yeet” jammed up recently. Surreal.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol, so putting Bryan Danielson in the role of lockerroom cop has predictably backfired. Samoa Joe made a tweet about snitching and Saraya tweeted that she doesn’t give a fuck and no one is going to tell her what to do with her social media. :lol:

[Sepholio]

It's all a work.

:shifty:

[Ben Rodrigues]

Lol, so putting Bryan Danielson in the role of lockerroom cop has predictably backfired. Samoa Joe made a tweet about snitching and Saraya tweeted that she doesn’t give a fuck and no one is going to tell her what to do with her social media. :lol:

:lol: Man. This company.

MJF needs to get out. Joe would be a nice edition if he can stay healthy.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Everyone with potential wants out at this point.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I REALLY hope MJF’s contract being up is a shoot and he jumps to WWE. Tony has had belts on guys leaving before.

At some point, it’d be interesting if a bunch of people left, banded together and did their own thing. Tony pays them enough that there’s actually a pretty solid base there.

It’ll be interesting to see who AEW actually manages to get signed out of the recently released WWE talent and who chooses to go elsewhere to keep themselves available.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Crazy scenario: WBD props up Dynamite and Rampage because they have enough tangled up in AEW. Collision is offered to FOX for dirt cheap with the goal being to use network television to widen their scope.

[XL]

I REALLY hope MJF’s contract being up is a shoot and he jumps to WWE. Tony has had belts on guys leaving before.

At some point, it’d be interesting if a bunch of people left, banded together and did their own thing. Tony pays them enough that there’s actually a pretty solid base there.

It’ll be interesting to see who AEW actually manages to get signed out of the recently released WWE talent and who chooses to go elsewhere to keep themselves available.

Maybe The Rock could finance it?

[xrodmuc316]

Apparently they almost signed Trent Seven, which would have been an absolute GAME CHANGER!

It is just too bad they lost out to TNA for his services. Guess wrestlers are starting to recognize that Shad's money isn't enough to put up with Tiny :rofl:

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah, wrestlers have to have the score figured out by now.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Meltzer seems to be under the impression that CM Punk has had an effect on how the Raw TV rights negotiations are going. The implication seems to be that WBD is looking more likely.

[Ben Rodrigues]

Wow. The whole CM Punk thing exposed Meltzer. Be interesting in WBD get Raw and what happens to AEW.

[XL]

What’s the WBD fascination with Punk? Sound like fucking marks to me!!!

[Mr. Nerfect]

They probably want their wrestling to make as much money as possible.

[Mr. Nerfect]

David Zaslav has probably had conversations with all these people and knows Punk is the one who knew his shit there.

[xrodmuc316]

I am not even going to lie, if CM Punk plays a part in Raw going to TNT or TBS and replacing AEW, that would be the biggest fuck you to a former company in the history of Wrestling.

Hogan could have testified at the steroid trial that Vince McMahon personally held him down and shot him up with Steroids, and sent Vince to jail for a few years, and Phil getting WBD to bail on AEW for WWE would STILL be the top spot.

Tiny Khan might actually put a hit on Phil.

[drave]

Well a hit wouldn't be hard would it. Just get that one UFC dude who made Phyllis look like the IRL bitch he is.


How long till someone says mean words and makes him run home crying again? I say sometime after he wins the rumble, but before Mania.

[xrodmuc316]

I just wonder what happens when he wins the Rumble, picks Rollins, then they decide to open Night 1 with that match and book a women's match as the main event. Phil will be unpleased :rofl:

[Mr. Nerfect]

I dunno, seems like the problems that exist in AEW aren’t going to be a factor in modern WWE. Punk put up with so much trying to prop up AEW. He’s really not the bad guy in that story.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I am curious to see how vicious WWE gets during this rights fees negotiations. Didn’t they just settle with MLW? I’m not sure if they get as ruthless as I imagine is possible and essentially lock AEW out of finding any sort of sizeable deal by tying up ALL the major suitors with some sort of content.

AEW also serve a purpose as useful idiots. Do you want them totally gone? It may be the smarter business strategy to let them remain somewhat of a present so they can continue to serve as a cautionary tale about what exists “over there.”

[Splaya]

Well a hit wouldn't be hard would it. Just get that one UFC dude who made Phyllis look like the IRL bitch he is.


How long till someone says mean words and makes him run home crying again? I say sometime after he wins the rumble, but before Mania.

It's not going to happen. He knows the ultimate "Fuck you" is to help WWE out in whatever way possible. He knows that by getting AEW out of business he would win.

Imagine a world where AEW goes out of business, the Bucks get sent down to NXT as a way to sharpen their skills to the WWE mold, but CM Punk is running things down there. The Bucks would be jobbing left and right but guess what, either do your jobs or here is your walking papers.

[drave]

Phyllis's ego is not a uniquely AEW issue. If he's smart, he'll put it all in a book after he's done.

His ego will not allow him to do that, though.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Like Triple H and Shawn Michaels, Punk’s ego has switched into being invested in the product he’s a part of. Putting on a kick-ass show is where these guys get off now. That was the issue in AEW. Punk still has friends there and I doubt he really wants to work with the saboteurs again.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The two wrestling books the world will gobble up: Vince McMahon and CM Punk.

[Sepholio]

Mere days after Mark Briscoe got upset about FOX using "Dem Boyz" in a wrestling tweet, AEW does this:https://i.imgur.com/xyjiAIs.jpg
Fucking amateur hour over there fellas.

[xrodmuc316]

Mere days after Mark Briscoe got upset about FOX using "Dem Boyz" in a wrestling tweet, AEW does this:https://i.imgur.com/xyjiAIs.jpg
Fucking amateur hour over there fellas.

That is rough, is that Twitter run by Matt Buck's wife?

[Mr. Nerfect]

That’s just…wow.

Tough fucking week for Mark Briscoe. Maybe he can use it as leverage to gtfo?

[Ben Rodrigues]

Great video I just saw on Twitter of Tony Khan introducing Giannis Antetokounmpo.

[Ben Rodrigues]

Breaking news from CM Punk's reporter!

"The vibe we have been given is that AEW is in danger of not being renewed by WBD for TNT or TBS"

- Nick Hausman

Man. If this actually happens what a fall.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It wouldn’t surprise me if they’re dropped even if WBD doesn’t get Raw. They’ve done some disgusting shit lately and seem like an unprofessional outfit in general

[Sepholio]

lol Sasha Banks/Mercedes Mone no longer expected to go to AEW.

Wonder if it's because she's going back to WWE or if it's just because AEW no longer feels comfortable with the big spending when these rumors of them potentially losing their TV deal are flaring up.

[Mr. Nerfect]

So Kenny’s come down with diverticulitis. I don’t wish ill on anyone, but something about it struck me as karmic. It didn’t feel like a proportionate response from the universe re: the Punk stuff. His career being where it is and theirs being where theirs are does that. Then someone reminded me that Brock’s F5 is called “Diverticulitis” in AEW Fight Forever.

[Mr. Nerfect]

lol Sasha Banks/Mercedes Mone no longer expected to go to AEW.

Wonder if it's because she's going back to WWE or if it's just because AEW no longer feels comfortable with the big spending when these rumors of them potentially losing their TV deal are flaring up.

I think it was probably a deal CM Punk had a hand in putting together. They’ve had friendly tweet exchanges in the past. She probably felt safer going to a company where a prominent figure said he wanted to rape her, who is now married to a bullying judoka with Punk there.

Plus, the company has just gotten a worse and worse image since they showed her in the crowd at Wembley.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Tony Khan said that to be AEW is to be attacked at the Final Battle press conference. He said you can do 5 great shows in a row and people will say something negative. When has AEW done 5 great shows, let alone 5 in a row? He says he shuts all the “negativity” out now. He’s advocating for living in complete denial. He’s making everything sound like it’s good. That’s a delusional perspective to take.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Oh, he also said they were #1 on cable Wednesday. That’s only in a certain demo that cable isn’t particularly apt at reaching, for ORIGINAL programming. He HAS to know that, right?

[Lock Jaw]

To be fair, it should be his job to say positive things about the company so he is in the right to say they put on great shows, and brag about whatever #1 stat they can get.

[Lock Jaw]

There's just gotta be the line between "public face staying positive to the public, while realizing things are not going well backstage" and "public face staying positive to the public, while also fooling himself that all is well"

[Lock Jaw]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

People will defend what Tony says and does as “promoting.” A good promoter increases business for what they are promoting though. When the “spin” comes across as transparent lies pushing reality back, it leaves a sour impression.

And you’re right that this public face can’t actually be an attempt to fool themselves.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Sorry, didn’t mean that to sound like I’m arguing with you, Lock Jaw. I agree with your point. Tony just isn’t very good at it lol.

[Lock Jaw]

People will defend what Tony says and does as “promoting.” A good promoter increases business for what they are promoting though. When the “spin” comes across as transparent lies pushing reality back, it leaves a sour impression.

And you’re right that this public face can’t actually be an attempt to fool themselves.

To be fair, again, to a lot of people out there it doesn't come across as "transparent lies" because they just don't know better or care to know better.

Not everyone can be as "educated" as The Noid.

[Ben Rodrigues]

There's just gotta be the line between "public face staying positive to the public, while realizing things are not going well backstage" and "public face staying positive to the public, while also fooling himself that all is well"

He'd garner a lot more support if he was upfront. Say the product sucks and here's what we're going to do better. Dana White does it all the time- if the show was shit he says it (and looks visibility pissed) apologises to everyone and then transitions into what they're going to do/how they're going to make it up to the fans. All I hear in press conferences and see on Twitter from Tony is that the shows are "great" when they aren't. He comes across as ingenuous.

[xrodmuc316]

Tony Khan said that to be AEW is to be attacked at the Final Battle press conference. He said you can do 5 great shows in a row and people will say something negative. When has AEW done 5 great shows, let alone 5 in a row? He says he shuts all the “negativity” out now. He’s advocating for living in complete denial. He’s making everything sound like it’s good. That’s a delusional perspective to take.

He is an idiot. AEW gets attacked no matter what!!!!!

Maybe if his company directive from day 1 wasnt to attack WWE, people wouldnt come at him.

[Mr. Nerfect]

To be fair, again, to a lot of people out there it doesn't come across as "transparent lies" because they just don't know better or care to know better.

Not everyone can be as "educated" as The Noid.

I don’t think those people are paying attention to his press conferences or ROH in general. Everyone knows AEW has got its shit going on. Lying to people isn’t going to help. It fuels the “negativity” (honesty). Promoting isn’t telling people “This ice-cream will give you an orgasm and make you rich.” You need to be aware of what you are actually delivering to people.

I don’t expect him to say “AEW sucks.” But stop trying to lie your way out of the shit.

[Mr. Nerfect]

He is an idiot. AEW gets attacked no matter what!!!!!

Maybe if his company directive from day 1 wasnt to attack WWE, people wouldnt come at him.

Making yourself “the other” is always risky when the original actually gains approval. When your counterculture you become reliant on culture. He should have just focused on his own shop.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It’s also a millionaire throwing a pity party for themselves. And he basically told people he’s not going to listen to the fans unless they blow his product.

He’s becoming Vince at a rapid rate.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Disco Inferno posted something along the lines of “Like the shows need a reset.” Tony responded with something along the lines of “That you’re an irrelevant parasite unites the wrestling community.”

Guy’s losing it before our eyes.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

in fairness, Disco is a parasite.

[Sepholio]

Dale being an irrelevant parasite is the one thing that unites the TPWW community.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I dunno. I enjoy Disco Inferno’s theme song more than I have anything AEW has ever produced.

[Vastardikai]

Disco was more over as a lower midcard with a goofy gimmick than all of the "Workrate" Gods of today.

[Lock Jaw]

Imagining Noid boogying to Disco's theme.....

[Splaya]

I dunno. I enjoy Disco Inferno’s theme song more than I have anything AEW has ever produced.

That's a lie. Julia Hart's ascension from being a blonde associated with a tag team to being the real leader of The House of Black, her theme song, and her overall appearance is way better than anything Disco has ever done.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Disco was more over as a lower midcard with a goofy gimmick than all of the "Workrate" Gods of today.

He really wasn't. Fuck off with this lol.

I mean I got a kick out of him but he was nothing. A never was. I couldn't give a shit about the likes of Omega and the Bucks or whatever, but Disco's input means nothing. He's a jackass with worthless, Bischoff-Russo-level takes.

[Ben Rodrigues]

He was a decent TV Champion.

[xrodmuc316]

Disco Inferno was absolutely a lower card jobber, but he is clearly relevant if idiot Tiny Khan cares that much about his comment.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Relevance and worth aren't the same. Disco's relevant because he's on a podcast that panders to the lowest common denominator. So he generates buzz (unfortunately). It doesn't mean his opinion is any less worthless.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Disco reminds me of Destor if Destor didn't ever read.

[Vastardikai]

He really wasn't. Fuck off with this lol.

I mean I got a kick out of him but he was nothing. A never was. I couldn't give a shit about the likes of Omega and the Bucks or whatever, but Disco's input means nothing. He's a jackass with worthless, Bischoff-Russo-level takes.

Here is the funny part: your second paragraph is absolutely the truth. But it doesn't invalidate my point. That is more of an indictment of the workrate clowns.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Disco was a featured part of wrestling back when way more people cared about wrestling, and having a spot in general meant more. I think of him like an X-Pac (not in terms of ring skills, but just for…being there).

[Mr. Nerfect]

If Disco Inferno was signing autographs in the 90s as opposed to The Bucks signing autographs now…I think Disco might have the longer line.

[Sepholio]

Yeah he may have been a low midcarder match wise, but I have a lot of memories of Disco. He was on like every episode of WCW TV it seemed. Featured in several big storylines. He was basically the WCW equivalent of R-Truth in WWE. Or a lower tier Miz maybe considering he was the cocky asshole kinda guy they used to put people over on their way up. Also got over a little as a face and could instantly turn heel and get the crowd to boo him. Everyone was still discoing when his music hit though lol.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

lol X Pac was way more meaningful than Disco. Their names shouldn't be uttered in the same sentence.

[Big Vic]

Disco also killed nWo 2002, huge impact on the industry.

[Mr. Nerfect]

lol X Pac was way more meaningful than Disco. Their names shouldn't be uttered in the same sentence.

Way more is a bit of a stretch.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Way more is a bit of a stretch.

Dude--Disco never did fuckall. X-Pac had a hell of a career.

First, go back to before he was in the WWF when he was lighting the indies on fire with Jerry Lynn as Lightning Kid.

Then there's how he came in the fed. The angle with Razor was compelling television. During that run, he had one of the best Raw main events in history with Bret Hart.

Fast forward to him being Sixx. Not the biggest run in history, but his shift the WCW was another huge blow to the WWF.

Then, when he came back to the WWF as X Pac, it was a HUGE moment. I remember him coming out and cutting his cut the mustard promo on Hogan. It was huge.

He then proceeded to be one of the most featured guys on TV until around 2000. He was super over and even had a prominent odd couple tag team with Kane. After that, yes, he fell off. X Pac heat and all that. He didn't evolve and got way too into the meth, and that was it.

Disco did nothing. He danced and wasn't featured. Nothing he ever did made an impact.

[Ben Rodrigues]

Remember when he was part of the Wolfpac?

[Mr. Nerfect]

I’m not talking Sean Waltman’s entire career or legacy as a junior heavyweight. I’m talking about his run as X-Pac. The move back to the WWF was cool and the promo was a “moment,” and yeah the dude had potential, but it’s hard to put him at the top of the most significant players list.

Disco seemed to be featured basically every time I ever watched WCW. He was all over their television. He’s not *as good* as Waltman. But he was in the nWo and all that. TV Champ, Cruiserweight Champ, his feud with Konnan.

It’s not a sleight against X-Pac.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The comparison to R-Truth is apt too.

[Vastardikai]

I’m not talking Sean Waltman’s entire career or legacy as a junior heavyweight. I’m talking about his run as X-Pac. The move back to the WWF was cool and the promo was a “moment,” and yeah the dude had potential, but it’s hard to put him at the top of the most significant players list.

Disco seemed to be featured basically every time I ever watched WCW. He was all over their television. He’s not *as good* as Waltman. But he was in the nWo and all that. TV Champ, Cruiserweight Champ, his feud with Konnan.

It’s not a sleight against X-Pac.

The Dancing Idiot ls with Alex Wright and later, Tokyo Magnum.

[Vastardikai]

On a slightly less happy note, Mrs. Buck the Merchandise Lady has left AEW. And ol Marty the Nonce is trademarks given all his nicknames, leading people to think he might be the Devil.

I am more along the lines that the "KTB Wrestling" trademark is for a new company, and the Dumb Fucks are about to leave another promotion high and dry.

[Mr. Nerfect]

On a slightly less happy note, Mrs. Buck the Merchandise Lady has left AEW. And ol Marty the Nonce is trademarks given all his nicknames, leading people to think he might be the Devil.

I am more along the lines that the "KTB Wrestling" trademark is for a new company, and the Dumb Fucks are about to leave another promotion high and dry.

Lots of people leaving the company. Someone who handles live events is also gone.

What’s this about the trademarks? Lol if The Bucks leave AEW. I can’t remember if I said it here or elsewhere, but I always had the feeling they would take the big money then cut and run.

[Ben Rodrigues]

LOL man... still blown away that Tony picked these lads over Punk. Twitter going to be hilarious if the Bucks leave.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Remember when Dave responded to Punk’s initial Collision promo like Punk scaring away The Bucks and Omega would be the worst thing that could happen to AEW’s business? And when he stated that the reason people don’t like The Bucks is because they haven’t had a WWE run?

They are the shits and very clearly only care about themselves.

[screech]

No one should take anything Disco Inferno says seriously.

[Vastardikai]

It appears Stephen P. New vs Jericho is gonna be the new fun war over Christmas.

[Tom Guycott]

Lots of people leaving the company. Someone who handles live events is also gone.

What’s this about the trademarks? Lol if The Bucks leave AEW. I can’t remember if I said it here or elsewhere, but I always had the feeling they would take the big money then cut and run.

LOL man... still blown away that Tony picked these lads over Punk. Twitter going to be hilarious if the Bucks leave.

:gasp: ... leave their promotion? Leave their revolution?? They would never do that, because it's theirs, though, right???

Besides, they wouldn't leave without Kenny Omega. That's the reason why they didn't go to WWE when that Bullet Club iron was hot. That's the reason why they didn't go to WWE when their AEW contracts were up. Where they go one, they go all... wait, that's... uh... nevermind.

[Ben Rodrigues]

It appears Stephen P. New vs Jericho is gonna be the new fun war over Christmas.

Saw this! 😄 Jericho going to cost AEW some money I suspect.

[Ben Rodrigues]

:gasp: ... leave their promotion? Leave their revolution?? They would never do that, because it's theirs, though, right???

Besides, they wouldn't leave without Kenny Omega. That's the reason why they didn't go to WWE when that Bullet Club iron was hot. That's the reason why they didn't go to WWE when their AEW contracts were up. Where they go one, they go all... wait, that's... uh... nevermind.

They've been exposed. I don't remember the last time they've had a positive impact on ratings.

The only time I can think of that I was remotely interested in seeing them was just after FTR vs The Briscoes only because I wanted to see them get their asses beat by FTR.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol at Stephen P. New getting Jericho to take the bait and stooge off AEW. Cornette roasting Jericho was great too. What a fall from grace for Y2J. And AEW in general.

Heard a clip earlier of Dave being the propaganda device for The Bucks. They aren’t happy with AEW. Apparently Dana Buck is leaving AEW because the promotion didn’t stand up for The Bucks enough while they were being “vilified.” :lol:

[Ben Rodrigues]

Lol at Stephen P. New getting Jericho to take the bait and stooge off AEW. Cornette roasting Jericho was great too. What a fall from grace for Y2J. And AEW in general.

Heard a clip earlier of Dave being the propaganda device for The Bucks. They aren’t happy with AEW. Apparently Dana Buck is leaving AEW because the promotion didn’t stand up for The Bucks enough while they were being “vilified.” :lol:

Haha :lol:

[Mr. Nerfect]

It’s still a case of the backstage drama being waaaaay more interesting than the actual TV show.

[Ben Rodrigues]

It’s still a case of the backstage drama being waaaaay more interesting than the actual TV show.

So true... if only they could figure out a way to use this backstage drama to make their TV more interesting.

[xrodmuc316]

I would laugh my ass off if Stephen P New sues Jericho, that would be pure comedy!

[Mr. Nerfect]

Dave also said that Punk “went after” Dana Massie and the company did nothing to stand up for her. I didn’t remember that. Turns out it was because Punk mocked a ROH Death Before Dishonor t-shirt design. The issue? It got the day AND location wrong for the event.

Reports also state that Dana Massie was getting 7 figures for her job.

Poor Bucks.

[xrodmuc316]

I wouldn't care if an employer kicked me in the shins once a day everyday for a 7 figure salary. If she gave that up because she didn't like Tweets, she is out of her mind.

[Mr. Nerfect]

If she earned 7 figures for almost 5 years, combined with what Matt is making, she can sit back and watch her stories all day forever without running out of money. The job was out of her depth and now they get to use Dave to spread the word about how horrible AEW is to throw a Superpity Party for themselves.