All Elite Wrestling

[xrodmuc316]

Old Dirty went to the AEW Show and smelled like a piece of shit.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The body odor in this arena tonight is putrid.</p>&mdash; Alicia Atout (@AliciaAtout) <a href="https://twitter.com/AliciaAtout/status/1685443420859568128?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 30, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He also cannot deny this claim, defend himself, or even respond because this is just to trigger him, because he is a smelly ass shithead. I cant wait for this to trigger him, then I can say he is a triggered bitch. Also if he can't type because he is unable to contain his seething, he will be silently in shambles. SO GOOD!!!

[Mr. Nerfect]

You know who also had an unpleasant time at AEW? LuFisto. Sounds like more of the women being bullies.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Old Dirty went to the AEW Show and smelled like a piece of shit.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The body odor in this arena tonight is putrid.</p>&mdash; Alicia Atout (@AliciaAtout) <a href="https://twitter.com/AliciaAtout/status/1685443420859568128?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 30, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He also cannot deny this claim, defend himself, or even respond because this is just to trigger him, because he is a smelly ass shithead. I cant wait for this to trigger him, then I can say he is a triggered bitch. Also if he can't type because he is unable to contain his seething, he will be silently in shambles. SO GOOD!!!

You alright, dude? You seem pretty upset about something.

[xrodmuc316]

You alright, dude? You seem pretty upset about something.

Doing great, took me all of 22 minutes to get you triggered enough to reply. Hilarious how you got triggered and replied just like I said you would. Beat you at your own game you triggered poster you :rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Oh man. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to hurt your feelings like I clearly have.

[xrodmuc316]

Oh man. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to hurt your feelings like I clearly have.

Another reply, bro it was just a joke about your hygiene. No reason to be THIS triggered to make multiple replies. Just take a shower and you won't be so stinky.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Dude if you ever need someone to talk to, I'm here for you. Just reach out. There's no need to suffer how you're suffering.

[xrodmuc316]

Dude if you ever need someone to talk to, I'm here for you. Just reach out. There's no need to suffer how you're suffering.

I get it man, you are trying to put on a brave front. You got triggered just like I said you would. It is damn funny, but time to just let it go.

[#1-norm-fan]

I love how you can just share a stupid "fact", and then just say "well I told you that you are just triggered."

I’M WITH YA, BUDDY!

[Sepholio]

You guys are literally shaking rn

[Evil Vito]

Making it a Grand Slam threepeat this year. Personally I'm excited for it. Have had a blast each of the last two years. Don't see any reason to expect otherwise.

Attendance-wise I absolutely am expecting it'll be another drop from last year.

The drop from 2021 to 2022 was hardly surprising. 2021 benefited from a lot of things. First time in the building and in NYC. Viewed as one of, if not their biggest event ever at the time it was announced. Also right "after" COVID/getting back on the road so for lots of people it was their first big public gathering in a year and a half or longer, so there was lots of energy. Plus by the time the show actually arrived it was in what was generally considered to be AEW's high point so even their late-added sections went quickly.

None of these things were the case in 2022, plus the product was generally considered one of their bleakest periods. Then add in a price increase and yeah. Grossed more than 2021 but clearly a drop in numbers.

This year the prices are up again and while I think there's a lot more optimism around AEW from their fans than this time a year ago and I'm sure they'll try to pack both Dynamite and Rampage with PPV-level matches, I do think the show will suffer from another round of price increases + being right after a double PPV + lots of people feeling burnt out last year from how long of a night it was (didn't end til 12:30 AM, lots of people had to leave to catch trains)

They ARE selling $25 seats along the entire upper deck and in Arthur Ashe these are hardly nosebleeds, it's not a huge venue and it's a really nice view everywhere. $25 is the kind of price where you could go, have a good time, leave before the longass show is done and not feel ripped off. But my best guess is they'll still see another attendance dip (while again beating 2022's grossing number)

[Vastardikai]

You know who also had an unpleasant time at AEW? LuFisto. Sounds like more of the women being bullies.

Allegedly, the anonymous bully may have been Emi "three schools, zero rings" Sakura.

[Mr. Nerfect]

If so, I wonder if that’s just her nature being a pimp in Japan or whether it’s a sense of entitlement Omega gave her?

[xrodmuc316]

Tiny Khan announced signing new deals with Omega, Page, and the Bucks. If he gave Rush $2 million a year, how much do you think the Elite got?

[xrodmuc316]

Oh and he also resigned EVP contracts with Kenny and the Bucks, so they still have that over Phil

[Sepholio]

These rumored All In matches are something else. Bucks vs FTR is good if it happens....but then we have RVD jobbing to Jungle Boy and Jeff Jarrett vs some dude from ICW named Grado.

I had no idea who Grado is, but apparently he's from Insane Championship Wrestling. Dude looks like the bastard love child of Eddie Kingston and Chad Gable with the muscle definition of an adolescent Adam Cole.

[weather vane]

I love it. Grado! Love RVD too.

[Mr. JL]

I am about 95% certain that homophobic, misogynistic, drug addicted and bad health riddled Sabu's AEW debut is just a general prelude to a Rob Van Dam AEW signing.

Why the fuck else do you hire this man with his multitude of explicit unapologetic past unless you were trying to placate someone holistically associated with him?

Fuck yeah, Sabu is a unsung legend in wrestling but given his history in the woke world were in... holy fuck!!! how can you justify his antics just for a random unnecessary POP? You cannot.

We've all seen how Tony Khan has bent over backwards to appease CM Punk and still seems to be in utter star shock.

Just gonna repost this for no reason at all... :shifty:

[Mr. Nerfect]

These rumored All In matches are something else. Bucks vs FTR is good if it happens....but then we have RVD jobbing to Jungle Boy and Jeff Jarrett vs some dude from ICW named Grado.

I had no idea who Grado is, but apparently he's from Insane Championship Wrestling. Dude looks like the bastard love child of Eddie Kingston and Chad Gable with the muscle definition of an adolescent Adam Cole.

Lol, that sounds ridiculous. Surely they can’t even be that stupid?

[Vastardikai]

The Lufisto thing is really interesting. Definitely not a Cult down there in Jacksonville...

[Sepholio]

Lol, that sounds ridiculous. Surely they can’t even be that stupid?

seems they are gonna pull the trigger on RVD vs Jungle Jobber on Dynamite instead. Dunno if it leads to a rematch or some other ECW alum showing up to face him at the PPV.

But man if they actually have Jarrett vs dollar store Kyle Rittenhouse on the card....that's just laughable to me.

[Helmsphere]

Please say Grado will come out to his Prayer Madonna theme.

[weather vane]

Would HAVE to. Be bonkers to book him and not have the Like A Prayer.

[Vastardikai]

The Lufisto thing is really interesting. Definitely not a Cult down there in Jacksonville...

...and LuFisto has deleted her socials. Never seen THIS before out of AEW's fanbase... :shifty:

[screech]

I read someone say Tony Khan must have mandated everyone to speak out on this specifically, and the visual of him frantically calling everyone made me laugh.

[screech]

Their reasoning was that no one spoke out when Thunder Rosa and Taya were getting shit and this time it was because Britt is Tony's favorite or something like that.

[xrodmuc316]

The Lufisto thing is really interesting. Definitely not a Cult down there in Jacksonville...

I like how Tiny sent out an email to all the females, and nobody thought to tell them to stagger their replies and not all Tweet at the same time lol

[Mr. Nerfect]

You’d think re-signing The Elite would imply that the hatchet will be buried and they’ve agreed to cooperate and do the best things for business moving forward. You’d think.

[Sting Fan]

I have decided I want OC to hold his title for 1 day longer than Romans reign ends up being... Book it Tony!!!

I am excited for the UK show, should be quite the environment with that size crowd. FTR vs. the Bucks will be worth the price alone I imagine.

I suspect Jericho may be headed for a face run on the back of the JAS stuff and I dont mind it at all. Maybe his last run? Or at least first retirement. Face Jericho losing to MJF in a title vs. Career match could be a hot start to 2024.

[Vastardikai]

There are folks thinking Orange is gonna be the one to defeat MJF. I made that joke before...

[Sting Fan]

There are folks thinking Orange is gonna be the one to defeat MJF. I made that joke before...

I love OC, but that wouldn't be a good move. I'm all for Darby taking the belt off of MJF after Sting fails at it maybe in a career vs. Title match.

Or a surprise change when MJF takes someone lightly like a Penta on Dynamite.

[Sting Fan]

Edge to AEW rumoured to be a thing. I'm not really an Edge guy but he would certainly lend some name value to AEW events.

MJF vs. Edge could be entertaining and put MJF over some more.

[Lock Jaw]

They should hire him and job him out to Christian to finally cement the fact that Christian is the better one.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Christian to WWE > Edge to AEW

If he calls himself Adam Cage and then we get Adam Cage & Christian Cage vs. Adam Page & Ethan Page, that’s a win though.

Adam vs. CM Punk could be quality. A fight over Dax’s soul and who satisfied Lita & Beth Phoenix more.

[xrodmuc316]

LOL why would he retire just to take a job at another wrestling company?

[Mr. Nerfect]

I’d think it unlikely too, but Tony Khan has deep pockets and is sorta desperate. If Edge doesn’t care where he works, he could take the money and fuck about. He’d be more novel in a different environment and it’s not like his WWE presence is hot rn.

Not an impossible signing for AEW.

[xrodmuc316]

True, Edge could probably get Tiny to give him $3 million a year easy. Mark Henry is making $1.5 million to literally say "and now it is time for the main event" on Rampage once a week lol. $1.5 million for Mark Henry to say one sentence to a viewing audience of 350,000 people, so Tiny is clearly good with his Father's money. :shifty:

[xrodmuc316]

https://i.imgflip.com/7wd0c4.jpg


HOLY SHIT TINY IS SUCH A FUCKING MARK!!!!

:rofl::lol::D:rofl::lol:

[Vastardikai]

https://i.imgflip.com/7wd0c4.jpg


HOLY SHIT TINY IS SUCH A FUCKING MARK!!!!

:rofl::lol::D:rofl::lol:

I can think of 4 Sting runs that were better. Including the post Blade Runners, pre face turn run in UWF.

[Sepholio]

It's much more difficult to think of a worse run in his career.

[Mr. Nerfect]

You could make an argument that the WWE run was worse. Maybe later stages WCW are tied?

[Mr. Nerfect]

True, Edge could probably get Tiny to give him $3 million a year easy. Mark Henry is making $1.5 million to literally say "and now it is time for the main event" on Rampage once a week lol. $1.5 million for Mark Henry to say one sentence to a viewing audience of 350,000 people, so Tiny is clearly good with his Father's money. :shifty:

Maybe even more if Tony can get him for Wembley and use that as a “landmark moment.”

[Mr. Nerfect]

Uses for Edge:

* Match against Christian — maybe winning the TNT Title his first night in?

* Match with Christian against…fuck it, anyone, who cares?

* Cash Wheeler replacement since Edge and FTR are friends. Cute way to get into Punk vs. Edge.

[Sepholio]

You could make an argument that the WWE run was worse. Maybe later stages WCW are tied?

No his WWE run was not worse. He only had 4 matches before he was injured and wasn't allowed to compete any more, but 3 of those matches were pretty high profile. He teamed with Cena against Rollins/Show, he had a big match at WM against Triple H, and he had a title match on PPV against Seth Rollins. The only match that is kinda meh is the one against Big Show on either RAW or SD, I forget which.

His AEW run is getting nostalgia pops to try and get Darby more over by proxy. That's it, that's the whole thing.

[Sepholio]

Has he even had a singles match in AEW?

[Destor]

His TNA run was worse

[Destor]

The AEW run is pretty inoffensive. Like most over the hill workers in the japan he hangs out on the apron and gets some young guy he's paired with over. Its easy work. TNA he was actively damaging his image and having memorably bad matches.

[Sepholio]

I hardly ever watched TNA so I don't know enough about that run to comment. I've seen bits of it here and there, but not enough to judge. That said, unless it was just some kind of one off or something, it seems he's reverting to his TNA Joker Sting persona in AEW now.

[xrodmuc316]

This one thing is better than anything Sting has done in AEW

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[Sepholio]

Edge should come to AEW and start a faction with Adam Cole and Hangman and call it The Adams Family.

[Lock Jaw]

I liked Sting in TNA during the period I watched from around 2006-2008 or something

[xrodmuc316]

Edge should come to AEW and start a faction with Adam Cole and Hangman and call it The Adams Family.

Tiny Khan would be willing to give somebody $35 Million of his daddy's money to buy the rights to use the "Adams Family" in perpetuity for AEW.

[Mr. Nerfect]

His TNA run was worse

I’m no defender of TNA, but Sting was arguably a bright spot for that promotion at times. There are some embarrassing memories, but that goes for WCW and AEW as well.

[Destor]

The only thing that had any genuine traction was the millionaire club or whatever it was called

[xrodmuc316]

The only thing that had any genuine traction was the millionaire club or whatever it was called

LOL, Main Event Mafia bro!

[Destor]

Yeah the millionaire club was wcw wasnt it. It all bleeds together

[Vastardikai]

LOL, Main Event Mafia bro!

My favorite delusion is the time I joked the Real Estate Steve character into existence.

[xrodmuc316]

My favorite delusion is the time I joked the Real Estate Steve character into existence.

:lol:

[Mr. Nerfect]

Not much gained traction. I do remember he was a worthwhile investment for Spike in the early days. There was no doubt some horrible stuff, but a lot of it was “just there” too. There are some “good” matches that took place there too. I’d argue that there’s been horrible stuff in AEW and that nothing has really gained traction either.

[xrodmuc316]

Sting's greatest run ever is him playing second fiddle to a 140 pound skateboarder, jumping off high stuff, trading shin kicks with Orange Cassidy, and playing baseball bat swords with Chris Jericho! LFG!!!!!!!

[Mr. Nerfect]

Sting’s best promo work was arguably in TNA.

[Mr. Nerfect]

How’s Fight Forever doing?

[Destor]

Wont know current data until Embracer Group has their investor meeting. Most concrete figures was it generated $1mil in june which was a 2 week window. So it was out of the gate pretty strong but i expect sales plateaud pretty hard. If they have a substantial update it wager youd see another surge in sales but the light content on release definitely turned away a lot of potential buyers. They have some paid dlc coming so the revenue stream isnt completely dry but they def need a substantial increase in modes

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Hello members of the PWW. Are there any nice and cheap ways to watch this Wembley ppv? I was actually going to go but then things came up. I would buy it but I’m would miss the first hour and a half or so, so I’m not going to fish out full price for half an event. Not all that invested in the matches either. Hit me up.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I get not wanting to pay for the event, but couldn’t you just order it and watch it from the start when you’re free?

[Frank Drebin]

Looking at the setup and I feel bad for anyone who paid to see this. Looks worse for the live crowd than WM since they've been having them in the football stadiums. I just can't fathom how you can watch the action not on one of the screens unless you're literally in the first 5 rows.

[xrodmuc316]

Secondary market tickets going for about $5

[Mr. Nerfect]

Secondary market tickets going for about $5

Holy shit, that’s amazing lol.

[Mr. Nerfect]

But Meltzer said no one was going to sell their ticket.

[drave]

Looking at the setup and I feel bad for anyone who paid to see this. Looks worse for the live crowd than WM since they've been having them in the football stadiums. I just can't fathom how you can watch the action not on one of the screens unless you're literally in the first 5 rows.


it was this was for WM 8 at the Hoosier Dome too. Cheap ass seats, watched most of it on the screen. Also had binoculars with us.

[Destor]

Looking at the setup and I feel bad for anyone who paid to see this. Looks worse for the live crowd than WM since they've been having them in the football stadiums. I just can't fathom how you can watch the action not on one of the screens unless you're literally in the first 5 rows.

Its def a downside for running a venue the 1st time. You dont inherently know how to set it up and its not exactly plug and play from one arena to the other. Hopefully the attendees enjoyed the show well enough for them to have a 2nd stab at it a few years down the road.

Of course I say that the fed routinely puts on shows in the same arenas that would be abysmal to attend so maybe audiences just accept not being able to see shit for fuck as the price of being included. dunno.

[Evil Vito]

Of course I say that the fed routinely puts on shows in the same arenas that would be abysmal to attend so maybe audiences just accept not being able to see shit for fuck as the price of being included. dunno.

Could be it. Like on another site people were sharing their firsthand accounts and the guy who posted THIS pic said he had a blast.

https://i.ibb.co/72hQPQb/Screen-Shot-2023-08-28-at-12-36-56.png?fbclid=IwAR0EEGEtmY51oJXSrzQTsHoZYcnPl2w1rxZCfHhHS1aaK0Dnskup82I5aKk

Said basically everyone in his section knew they weren't gonna see shit, tix were cheap and clearly marked as obstructed. It was more about just being in a rowdy crowd, chanting/singing a lot and watching a landmark/first time event on a screen together.

[Evil Vito]

People who had more expensive seats and had them obstructed I'd guess were more pissed off. That said it's nearly impossible to avoid obstruction for stadium shows especially outdoors. The light rigging has to go somewhere.

But while people had fun here, will this many people wanna deal with the travel, traffic, etc to do it all again when it's an annual thing? Remains to be seen. At least WM changes venue every year and it's not something people can typically go to annually.

[Evil Vito]

CM Punk and Jack Perry reportedly both suspended pending an investigation of their All In fight

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[Vastardikai]

This altercation shouldn't have taken place.

I say this because Jack should have been met at the curtain with a release, Ultimate Warrior style.

[xrodmuc316]

One man is 44 years old leaking details to the internet that the 26 year old had a tantrum.
26 year old makes a comment mocking that report.
44 year old man has a tantrum.

Sounds pretty on par for Phil.

[Ben Rodrigues]

Hmm... guess I won't be buying All Out or watching Collision for the time being. Oh well, gives me time to do something else :)

[Mr. Nerfect]

The backstage drama is still more interesting than the actual on-air content. And now you have wrestlers like Mike Santana coming forward and being like “Who cares? Focus on what a great show it was.” Well, no — that your show is being upstaged kind of proves the point.

I can’t believe how many people on the internet think it’s okay for wrestlers to go ON TELEVISION and try and piss all over AEW’s business. Adam Page did it, Jack Perry did it. This is the biggest no-no. Getting into a fight backstage can be sorted out however you want to, but when you go in front of your audience and air this shit, there needs to be consequences.

It seems AEW’s stupider talent also overlook how important CM Punk is to their business scheme, while they are expendable. Tony needs Collision to work and he needs Punk to make that happen. It’s more pissing on your own leg. Talent that don’t get it need to either be smartened up or released.

The fight itself has numerous angles coming out about it. The closest thing to a trusted Punk side says that Punk confronted Jungle Boy, asked if he’s got something to say, Jack dared Punk to do something about it, Punk shoved him, Jack got heated and Punk neutralized him. He then removed himself from the building and ordered Nando’s for his friends.

There’s also a hilarious story about how inept Punk’s travel arrangements were.

I seriously don’t know how Punk puts up with that place. Yes, they pay him a lot of money. But the lack of control Tony has the amount of air a mark attitude in the locker room gets is pretty surreal.

[Lock Jaw]

I seriously don’t know how Punk puts up with that place. Yes, they pay him a lot of money. But the lack of control Tony has the amount of air a mark attitude in the locker room gets is pretty surreal.

I imagine him passing Tony Khan backstage on the way to the ring, who is jumping up and down screaming his name and Punk is just like:

https://c.tenor.com/pj3Jp48LuBcAAAAM/cm-punk-wwe.gif

While chuckling to himself and wondering just how much of this mark's money he can take.

[GD]

I imagine him passing Tony Khan backstage on the way to the ring, who is jumping up and down screaming his name and Punk is just like:

https://c.tenor.com/pj3Jp48LuBcAAAAM/cm-punk-wwe.gif

While chuckling to himself and wondering just how much of this mark's money he can take.

I thought I was reading an xrod post for a second.

[Vastardikai]

The backstage drama is still more interesting than the actual on-air content. And now you have wrestlers like Mike Santana coming forward and being like “Who cares? Focus on what a great show it was.” Well, no — that your show is being upstaged kind of proves the point.

I can’t believe how many people on the internet think it’s okay for wrestlers to go ON TELEVISION and try and piss all over AEW’s business. Adam Page did it, Jack Perry did it. This is the biggest no-no. Getting into a fight backstage can be sorted out however you want to, but when you go in front of your audience and air this shit, there needs to be consequences.

It seems AEW’s stupider talent also overlook how important CM Punk is to their business scheme, while they are expendable. Tony needs Collision to work and he needs Punk to make that happen. It’s more pissing on your own leg. Talent that don’t get it need to either be smartened up or released.

The fight itself has numerous angles coming out about it. The closest thing to a trusted Punk side says that Punk confronted Jungle Boy, asked if he’s got something to say, Jack dared Punk to do something about it, Punk shoved him, Jack got heated and Punk neutralized him. He then removed himself from the building and ordered Nando’s for his friends.

There’s also a hilarious story about how inept Punk’s travel arrangements were.

I seriously don’t know how Punk puts up with that place. Yes, they pay him a lot of money. But the lack of control Tony has the amount of air a mark attitude in the locker room gets is pretty surreal.

It appears that guy whose job it was to set up Punk's arrangements is one of the Bucks' boys, and also liked some anti-Punk Xs or whatever.

[xrodmuc316]

I thought I was reading an xrod post for a second.

LJ is not wrong though. Tiny Khan has no backbone, and all this shit only happens because he does nothing to stop it.

[Lock Jaw]

My post was inspired by the news of Tony being in the guerilla position trying to start a CM Punk chant. Like, I seriously don't know if I would be able to walk past him with a straight look on my face.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Why was Tony not the first person on Jungle Boy when he came back through the curtain?

[Frank Drebin]

Punk being off All Out in Chicago is fucking weak.

[GD]

My post was inspired by the news of Tony being in the guerilla position trying to start a CM Punk chant. Like, I seriously don't know if I would be able to walk past him with a straight look on my face.

That’s fair. I don’t think Punk would survive in any other company if he kept behaving this way. He’s certainly taking advantage of Tony Khan’s fandom.

[XL]

Punk being off All Out in Chicago is fucking weak.

I expect him to be on the card. Suspended during investigation is a pretty standard process. They could have it wrapped up entirely by now.

[Lock Jaw]

That’s fair. I don’t think Punk would survive in any other company if he kept behaving this way. He’s certainly taking advantage of Tony Khan’s fandom.

Hence the smirk gif

[Splaya]

Why was Tony not the first person on Jungle Boy when he came back through the curtain?

Too busy chanting for Punk when he walked by. Then when Punk was choking out Perry, Khan was probably cheering him on thinking it was a work.

[Mr. Nerfect]

He’ll cheer him on then won’t back him up when he makes the decisions TK is too scared to.

[Evil Vito]

Fuck taking sides at the moment, all I can really think is that if I'm in AEW, particularly someone that worked the show, I'd feel pretty fucking deflated that we've just had one of the biggest shows of all-time and now all anyone is talking about again is locker room drama.

Like, no matter who is at fault, it's a really fucking bad thing that whatever "momentum" was gained is just going right back into talking about what a shitshow it is backstage. Like it's all gone to waste.

[Sepholio]

That's the real draw of CM Punk right there. What kind of backstage nonsense will his massive ego and fragile psyche get him into next?

[Sepholio]

Fuck taking sides at the moment, all I can really think is that if I'm in AEW, particularly someone that worked the show, I'd feel pretty fucking deflated that we've just had one of the biggest shows of all-time and now all anyone is talking about again is locker room drama.

Like, no matter who is at fault, it's a really fucking bad thing that whatever "momentum" was gained is just going right back into talking about what a shitshow it is backstage. Like it's all gone to waste.

Seriously though you nailed it with this.

[Sepholio]

Ever since the backstage drama wars started I have found it very difficult to enjoy AEW the same way I did before. Admittedly a lot of my lost interest is due to a lack of PAC and Danhausen though, not just the drama.

[XL]

Vito nailed it there.

It’s fucking stupid that there’s even a Dynamite camp vs Collision camp thing going on, the AEW audience isn’t big enough to cannibalise itself.

[screech]

Lack of PAC is hurting rasslin overall

[Frank Drebin]

TK thinks drama is good. That's how he wants to run the promotion so thats what we're getting. Its his vision. He fails to see that you then need to harness that into on screen shit in order for it to actually be good for the business.

I can't believe TK is so shit at his job that I have to use Vince as an example of how to run a promotion.

It works in a couple of ways. One, everyone knows about a beef so it draws eyeballs and moves tickets. Second, it sends the message to talent that their little squabbles can and will be put on TV which could make them look stupid and push them down the card. Mind yourself or Daddy with fuck with you because its HIS promotion, not yours.

[Lock Jaw]

Controversy creates cash!

[Frank Drebin]

Especially here at TPWW/forums. Its how Triple A is living that yacht life rn.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The show wasn’t spectacular enough to justify people talking about it. The backstage drama shouldn’t be happening, because TK should fucking discipline The Elite side, but let’s not pretend that if it weren’t happening the product would be sizzling. Wrestlers should be annoyed that the booking of this promotion with the best initial backing ever throws it all down the well with bad hirings, bad booking and bad management.

[Sting Fan]

Especially here at TPWW/forums. Its how Triple A is living that yacht life rn.

I hope Triple A has a yacht.

[drave]

Shit, if they're going to be so loose with backstage shenanigans, they should at least turn it into a marketable angle.


Otherwise, it's more Crying Man Punk.

[Lock Jaw]

#ShutItDown

[Mr. Nerfect]

It might be shut down if Punk leaves. Nick Hausman has said he thinks Punk will leave. I’m not sure how much insight he actually has on that though. But he’s been closest to the Punk camp so far. You can only jerk around the guy holding your company up so long.

[drave]

They will be fine without him.

[Mr. Nerfect]

They will be fine without him.

Nope. Without him, Collision collapses. Without Collision, the TV deals are pulled. There’s also a difference between a pre-Punk company and a post-Punk company. The more casual audience has seen that stars can be there and they’ll be disenchanted when stars aren’t.

[drave]

Well is it that they will collapse or TK will just fund it anyway?

[Splaya]

Nope. Without him, Collision collapses. Without Collision, the TV deals are pulled. There’s also a difference between a pre-Punk company and a post-Punk company. The more casual audience has seen that stars can be there and they’ll be disenchanted when stars aren’t.

Completely agree. If there is no punk to run collision, then the Saturday night show basically becomes Dynamite 2.0, just on a worse market for TV because of the night it is on.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Well is it that they will collapse or TK will just fund it anyway?

The Khans have the resources to fund it for as long as they want. How long that will be at a loss is up to how much Shad wants to let Tony throw his money down a well.

The idea is for it to make money back. That’s why TK charges for ROH and has presumably agreed to do Collision in the first place. No one was asking for more AEW content, at least from the AEW end. It’s a bad idea for anything other than money. So the question is just how much Tony needs that money to be coming in. We won’t know that until it isn’t.

Completely agree. If there is no punk to run collision, then the Saturday night show basically becomes Dynamite 2.0, just on a worse market for TV because of the night it is on.

A lot of people want to make fun of Collision’s numbers, but the stark reality is l what those numbers would be like without Punk. It’s pretty grim.

[Mr. Nerfect]

If I’m WBD, I don’t want to house a show I know can be doing better, but isn’t because the guy running it for us lets his insecure employees run off the biggest star. I’d almost resent them on principal, let alone what the numbers end up as so they can do the Chicken Dance every Wednesday.

[Splaya]

Eventually WBD is going to wake up and see how toxic Tony Khan has made his company. While the Elite and everyone else don't make it better, he is the one that has the supreme authority to stop people from behaving the way that they do. Eventually, there is going to be some form of altercation where there will be someone who gets seriously hurt, but Tony and AEW as a whole will be at fault because again, as I have said so many times before, he would rather be the fanboy than the owner of a major company.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Another thing to keep in mind re: Collision:

Since it’s a wrestling audience, we assume that it’s the same people watching every week. But given the night and the more casual flex the show seems to have, it’s possible that Collision actually gets more unique eyeballs than Dynamite does. I mean, I wouldn’t be surprise if Dynamite has largely the same core audience every week. Or a higher ratio of weekly viewers than Collision, which might have more of a rotation.

If The Elite are left to stock Collision, it’s possible that not only the numbers week-to-week drop, but the size of the gross audience is also much, much smaller.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Eventually WBD is going to wake up and see how toxic Tony Khan has made his company. While the Elite and everyone else don't make it better, he is the one that has the supreme authority to stop people from behaving the way that they do. Eventually, there is going to be some form of altercation where there will be someone who gets seriously hurt, but Tony and AEW as a whole will be at fault because again, as I have said so many times before, he would rather be the fanboy than the owner of a major company.

Tony Khan definitely needs to shoulder the blame. I mean, The Elite have their personality responsibility too, but TK lets it happen for sure.

[Splaya]

Imagine a world where after Brawl Out, Tony has all the parties involved come sit down together with a mediator, hash out what happened, tells the parties "Don't do this shit again, or else you will all be suspended indefinitely without pay and possibly fired for the incident at hand"

[Mr. Nerfect]

Imagine a world where after Brawl Out, Tony has all the parties involved come sit down together with a mediator, hash out what happened, tells the parties "Don't do this shit again, or else you will all be suspended indefinitely without pay and possibly fired for the incident at hand"

You’d think that would have happened after the Adam Page incident. I doubt it happens now unless something makes Tony.

[rez]

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[Frank Drebin]

You’d think that would have happened after the Adam Page incident. I doubt it happens now unless something makes Tony.

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[Mr. Nerfect]

Tony is paying his wrestlers enough that if they leave they can probably band together and finance something half-decent on their own.

[rez]

As long as they haven't invested their earnings in Global Force Gold

[Mr. Nerfect]

Jeff Jarrett might end up running AEW by the time things are done.

[Frank Drebin]

Wow. What total dog shit they're shoveling for what is supposed to be the biggest show of the year. That card is meant for a fucking house show.

[Frank Drebin]

AEW International Championship – Jon Moxley vs. Orange Cassidy (c)

TNT Championship – Darby Allin vs. Luchasaurus (c)

TBS Championship – Ruby Soho vs. Kris Statlander (c)

ROH World Tag Team Championship – Winner of #1 Contender Tag Team Battle Royal vs. Adam Cole & MJF (c)

ROH World Television Championship – Shane Taylor vs. Samoa Joe (c)

8-Man Tag Team match – The Young Bucks (Matt & Nick Jackson) & FTR (Cash Wheeler & Dax Harwood) vs. Bullet Club Gold (Jay White, Juice Robinson, & The Gunns (Austin & Colten Gunn)

Miro vs. Powerhouse Hobbs

Kenny Omega vs. Konosuke Takeshita

[Frank Drebin]

They'll add something during Collision but WTF can you bill as your main event here? Jesus Christ. It feels worse every time I look at it.

This is the worst card Ive ever seen for a ppv of this caliber. Seriously.

[slik]

on Twitter just now TK added Kingston/Shibata vs Yuta/Claudio and Ricky Steamboat vs Ricky Starks in a Strap match

Adam Cole / MJF will face

Alex Reynolds/John Silver of The Dark Order

[weather vane]

I love it.

[Frank Drebin]

Lol....me and ABT are going to need to get shitfaced to get through this bile.

[Frank Drebin]

The top men's and (so far) women's titles as well as the tag titles are not being defended on traditionally the biggest show of the year.

All they added according to slik was more jobber matches. How can anyone think this will work?well?

[Frank Drebin]

They're doing this in the fucking United Center. Crowd might start doing the wave out of boredom.

[Frank Drebin]

Seriously, what is left to potentially add and what closes this dreck of a show?

[rez]

wait.... Steamboat?

[Lock Jaw]

on Twitter just now TK added Kingston/Shibata vs Yuta/Claudio and Ricky Steamboat vs Ricky Starks in a Strap match

Adam Cole / MJF will face

Alex Reynolds/John Silver of The Dark Order

Dark Order still around? They were so intolerable....

[Lock Jaw]

Seriously, what is left to potentially add and what closes this dreck of a show?

Main Event Orange Cassidy

[Mr. Nerfect]

I love it.

You’re a liar.

[Mr. Nerfect]

If you enjoy schadenfreude, this PPV has an upside.

[Mr. Nerfect]

At least you get to pay to possibly see Ricky Steamboat die.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Imagine being worried you were going to get The Kingdom wrestling on PPV. Then you find out it’s The Dark Order and it’s even worse.

[Ben Rodrigues]

Still have FITE until 16th September. Curious to see what a CM Punkless Collision looks like.

[Vastardikai]

At least with the Kingdom, you will see a star. It's Maria, but still, she is a star.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Maria was at least potentially going to be a bright spot.

[Lock Jaw]

Very bright. Saw her up close once and was just taken aback by how glowing orange she was. Like I didn't know people could be that colour.

[Frank Drebin]

Looking at the card for All Out this year, I'm more floored now than I was last year when they followed up All Out with a Dynamite main event of Daniel Garcia vs Wheeler Yuta with a 3rd tier ROH title on the line complete with huge confetti shower like Benoit and Eddie just won at WM.

I came back for this run since Punk returned and.....its had its moments....mostly involving MJF but its been not bad at least. Now we are at another Garcia/Yuta moment where I'm ready to turn this off and leave again but since I have tickets to All Out, I have to watch it like the final episodes of Game of Thrones knowing it sucks and its going to suck but I have to bear it and see it through.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I’m sorry this has happened to you. Maybe there are still ways you can have fun at the show?

[drave]

The grown ass adults who should be professionals are not sorry that they acted like big baby men children, Frankie.


They have your money and will speeeeeeend it on druuuuggggsss.


Then Moxley introduces linoleum knives :shifty:

[rez]

Punk is straight edge Pepsi, baby

[Frank Drebin]

The grown ass adults who should be professionals are not sorry that they acted like big baby men children, Frankie.


They have your money and will speeeeeeend it on druuuuggggsss.


Then Moxley introduces linoleum knives :shifty:

Lol yes, but they might not get any more after this. Not after I have to sit through Orange Cassidy vs Jon Moxley.

[Frank Drebin]

Seriously, what is your main event on Sunday?

[drave]

Not watching it.

[XL]

Couple this with what WWE are offering with Payback and it’s a pretty lacklustre weekend of premium wrestling content.

[Fignuts]

Good. I won't be missing anything while I no-life Starfield over the weekend.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Chicago doesn’t seem to be the audience to neglect. AEW diehards are a weird breed though. Love slurping down that boot. The crowd reaction has got me intrigued. I hope Chicago lets them have it, lol.

[Frank Drebin]

There's a 50/50 chance.

[slik]

Meltzer is reporting Tony is thinking about bringing in Goldberg if he to lose Punk to help with starpower.

[Vastardikai]

Meltzer is reporting Tony is thinking about bringing in Goldberg if he to lose Punk to help with starpower.

Does this happen before or after Mabel becomes the third man in the NWO?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Punk vs. Goldberg is money.

[slik]

Dennis Rodman announced for Collision

[Mr. Nerfect]

You need something when you suspend people for kicking too much ass in wrestling.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Jericho will no doubt be involved in that.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Oh wait, it was Jeff Jarrett that was pushing for Rodman to come in, wasn’t it? Rodman, Jericho & Sammy vs. Jeff Jarrett, Jay Lethal and either Satnam Singh or Sonjay Dutt at All Out.

[Fignuts]

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[screech]

lol nice

[Mr. Nerfect]

That, except Tony isn’t doing anything and Punk is choking out Jungle Boy.

[Lock Jaw]

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Wow. This is just terrible. Wrestling fans always striving for the next level of cringe.

[Lock Jaw]

https://i.imgur.com/s0AgeHp.gif

[rez]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ja" dir="ltr">&quot;Termination with Cause&quot; by <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TonyKhan</a> <br>トニー・カーン社長の「正当事由による契約解除」<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/firepro?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#firepro</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/movecraft?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#movecraft</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/%E3%83%95%E3%82%A1%E3%82%A4%E3%83%97%E3%83%AD?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ファイプロ</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/%E6%8A%80%E3%82%AF%E3%83%A9%E3%83%95%E3%83%88?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#技クラフト</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEW</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWAllOut?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWAllOut</a> <a href="https://t.co/m3aEMU0hFx">pic.twitter.com/m3aEMU0hFx</a></p>&mdash; Miguel-F @ FPW Net (@fireproscreens1) <a href="https://twitter.com/fireproscreens1/status/1698101015420317861?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 2, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

lol

[Evil Vito]

Think it can officially be said that AEW priced fans out of Grand Slam. 2 weeks until the show and they've not even hit 6,000 tickets sold, which is half of the 12,000 seats they're set up for (and even that is less than the 13,000 draw last year).

It would be easy for AEW detractors to point to that as a sign that interest is dead but the vibes around the on-screen product seem a lot more positive right now than this time last year when they were seemingly directionless and up to their tits in injuries. In this market it is very tough for me to imagine they wouldn't sell a similar number of tickets if the prices were reasonable.

The actual US Open tourney at Ashe has had the same problems, entire sections are empty because they're charging like $700 for nosebleeds or something ridiculous.

I'm making it a threepeat of going and this will almost certainly be the last time I go if they raise the rates any more than they have now. I realize inflation and NYC play into things but it's a bit ridiculous now. I can totally see why people can't justify that kind of spend and I'm almost there myself.

With what they're charging I'm sure they'll still make a profit even with drawing these small numbers, but it's gonna look like absolute shit and be borderline uncomfortable seeing that many empty seats in that size of a venue.

[Splaya]

Think it can officially be said that AEW priced fans out of Grand Slam. 2 weeks until the show and they've not even hit 6,000 tickets sold, which is half of the 12,000 seats they're set up for (and even that is less than the 13,000 draw last year).

It would be easy for AEW detractors to point to that as a sign that interest is dead but the vibes around the on-screen product seem a lot more positive right now than this time last year when they were seemingly directionless and up to their tits in injuries. In this market it is very tough for me to imagine they wouldn't sell a similar number of tickets if the prices were reasonable.

The actual US Open tourney at Ashe has had the same problems, entire sections are empty because they're charging like $700 for nosebleeds or something ridiculous.

I'm making it a threepeat of going and this will almost certainly be the last time I go if they raise the rates any more than they have now. I realize inflation and NYC play into things but it's a bit ridiculous now. I can totally see why people can't justify that kind of spend and I'm almost there myself.

With what they're charging I'm sure they'll still make a profit even with drawing these small numbers, but it's gonna look like absolute shit and be borderline uncomfortable seeing that many empty seats in that size of a venue.

I saw a tweet last night that AEW floor seats were being sold last night for 20 dollars. And they could not get ride of them.

Business is trending downward for AEW. Ratings are tanking and now they can't sell primary seats...

Sounds like a company in the late 90's.

[drave]

I saw a tweet last night that AEW floor seats were being sold last night for 20 dollars. And they could not get ride of them.

Business is trending downward for AEW. Ratings are tanking and now they can't sell primary seats...

Sounds like a company in the late 90's.




Really? That shit HAD to be last minute seats or some shit. I had looked into getting tickets for a family member who is a die hard rasslin fan (any fed) and they were expensive, even for floor seats. Most of that was due to resellers and the like, but still expensive.

[xrodmuc316]

Really? That shit HAD to be last minute seats or some shit. I had looked into getting tickets for a family member who is a die hard rasslin fan (any fed) and they were expensive, even for floor seats. Most of that was due to resellers and the like, but still expensive.

That has been their business model, they drop prices the closer the actual show. Then Tiny buys the remaining tickets so he can say AEW sold X amount of tickets. Vince just would say he sold more, Tiny actually spends his dads money so he is not technically lying. Wembley showed exactly that, tons of empty seats, large sections tarped off, but technically they sold 81,000 tickets because Tiny has a Credit Card attached to his dad's account.

If Shad's money was not earned legally, Tiny would be convicted of money laundering. If AEW was a publicly traded company, Tiny would be convicted of fraud. Since neither is the case, he can do what he is doing and the only consequence is he gets to feel like he is running a profitable business.

[xrodmuc316]

On the plus side, if you wait until last minute you can save a decent amount of money and still get good seats!

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah, I wouldn’t be shocked if Tony buys the tickets up himself and then tries to redistribute them instead of admitting they are comped.

What’s their big draws for Grand Slam? Mid-Carder MJF vs. Mid-Carder Samoa Joe? Bryan Danielson wrestling? No CM Punk? The product is flaaaaat.

[Splaya]

Hang on Noid. I would disagree with you on the MJF comment. Guy is a stud. We will agree to disagree on it in the end, but I definitely would not refer to him as a mid carder.

[drave]

Dear Splaya,


Noids most favoritest rassler ever could be in AEW, and he would hate it.




Regards,


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[Mr. Nerfect]

Hang on Noid. I would disagree with you on the MJF comment. Guy is a stud. We will agree to disagree on it in the end, but I definitely would not refer to him as a mid carder.

I just mean the role he is playing now. Their top title is an afterthought and MJF is doing mid-card comedy with Adam Cole, wrestling The Dark Order and the like.

I love Joe too, but he’s mid-card too. Even has the TV Title.

[Splaya]

When explained like that, I can get behind the idea you are promoting. At the end of the day, he should be in top tier feuds. I love the Adam Cole pairing but they should have pulled the trigger on someone turning heel at All In or All Out, not extending it another month and playing the game of "who is going to turn on who?"

[Mr. Nerfect]

MJF and Samoa Joe should be good quality — it’s just that they’ve had their hand forced to do it. And they’ve booked themselves into a corner with all this MJF/Adam Cole stuff. It’s the most interesting Cole has arguably ever been, so people don’t want it to end, which stretches out the silliness of it all.

[xrodmuc316]

Amazon lets you buy a few older episodes of Dynamite for $2.99. Watching the very first episode and the pacing was way better than it is today, which makes no logical sense, except I remembered that was before Tiny took full control.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I knew Dynamite wasn’t for me the moment Sammy Guevara came out with that ridiculous panda head. It felt like a slog off the bat.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Not surprised we’re getting Danielson vs. ZSJ at WrestleDream. It’s in Seattle, Danielson will get to roll around with whoever he wants. ZSJ was one of only a few major New Japan names not booked in Japan that date. The other ones who jump out are Will Ospreay and KENTA, who you just know will hit a GTS to try and stick it to Punk. Wouldn’t surprise me if there’s a tag between Adam Page & The Bucks and KENTA, Jay White & Juice Robinson.

Has ZSJ gotten any better since 2016? I haven’t seen too much of his recent work.

[Tom Guycott]

Wow. This is just terrible. Wrestling fans always striving for the next level of cringe.

I missed all of this... please tell me this chanting was a reference to Big E and not something else?

[Mr. Nerfect]

How many times has Danielson turned in AEW? I’m counting 4. He came in as a face, but then turned heel. Then they formed the BCC and he turned face to feud with Jericho’s group. Then he turned heel to feud with The Elite. Now he’s a face again. I’m probably missing 5 or 6 things.

[Splaya]

How many times has Danielson turned in AEW? I’m counting 4. He came in as a face, but then turned heel. Then they formed the BCC and he turned face to feud with Jericho’s group. Then he turned heel to feud with The Elite. Now he’s a face again. I’m probably missing 5 or 6 things.

In his defense though, Khan has not figured out a way to use Big Show, who would have turned at least 15-20 times since his debut. So if Big Show was turning every week, I am sure that we wouldn't even notice how many times Danielson has turned

[Mr. Nerfect]

Big Show is who people usually think of when it comes to diluting things with turns. Big Show did turn 4 times in his first year with the WWF. It’s taken Danielson almost 2 years to get to 4 turns. That’s something.

[Splaya]

Big Show is who people usually think of when it comes to diluting things with turns. Big Show did turn 4 times in his first year with the WWF. It’s taken Danielson almost 2 years to get to 4 turns. That’s something.

You put the idea into existence. So now Tiny will somehow get word of this and turn him 4 times in one show.

[screech]

The crowd can do the "boo" "yeah" spot in a promo

[Mr. Nerfect]

The All In attendance was actually 72,265. Someone used the freedom of information act to get the number.

[Frank Drebin]

Vince going to show TK how to properly build up some female talent it seems....

[Mr. Nerfect]

Andrew Zarian seems pretty damn sure that AEW is going to announce a 12 per year PPV structure with HBO Max soon. I’ve always been skeptical of AEW having the weight to be worthy of a streaming platform, but I guess we are in the race for content. wXw has better exposure than AEW in Australia because streaming is after things.

This might also compensate for the money they might miss out on if WBD passes on upping their rights fees with Collision dead in the water.

[Mr. Nerfect]

In response to AEW’s abysmal ticket sales lately, Dave actually wrote “That’s just sad.”

[Destor]

The big issue we'll see AEW struggle with is as the novelty has run its course and AEW isnt doing "1st time ever" houses how (or can) they keep filling the seats. No one is immune to this issue. Its not a uniquely non-WWF issue. I suspect however that it will be a massive issue for this company.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Agree with what you’re saying, but I think a lot of people saw that coming. :p

The new car smell wearing off was always something that was going to hurt them. At some point you actually have to get good.

[Vastardikai]

Agree with what you’re saying, but I think a lot of people saw that coming. :p

The new car smell wearing off was always something that was going to hurt them. At some point you actually have to get good.

And the other issue is they are ROHing themselves into irrelevance.

[Sepholio]

Gonna ride by Vastardakais house tonight at 3 am and annoyingly rev my engine and honk my horn a bunch.

[Mr. Nerfect]

IrROHlevance

[Mr. Nerfect]

Keep ROHin’, ROHin’, ROHin’

[GD]

I will never understand the tribalism that exists in wrestling. Can't we just sit back and enjoy what's going on for once? Wrestling is far more enjoyable now than it was in the late '00s or early '10s. Sometimes it just feels like miserable individuals like to convene and relish in their misery.

[Vastardikai]

Gonna ride by Vastardakais house tonight at 3 am and annoyingly rev my engine and honk my horn a bunch.

Just a heads up: I live on the unfashionable end of the County.

[Destor]

Agree with what you’re saying, but I think a lot of people saw that coming. :pI dont see them on the record i see them saying it was obvious after the fact.

The new car smell wearing off was always something that was going to hurt them. At some point you actually have to get good.Yes but it isnt a uniquely them problem either. Its fairly universal...except for TNA who ran the same building for a decade and packed it every other week.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I’ve been talking about the novelty running off AEW since basically the start. This affecting their attendance definitely came up around the Bridgeport shows and them running Chicago into the ground. Love ya man, but that point of convo is old news.

It’s not a problem unique to AEW, but it has definitely been staring them in the face for a long time and they’ve done nothing about it. They think they’re cooking with gas.

[Lock Jaw]

Its fairly universal...except for TNA who ran the same building for a decade and packed it every other week.

That too was fairly Universal

[Destor]

That too was fairly UniversalI like what you did there

[Destor]

I’ve been talking about the novelty running off AEW since basically the start. This affecting their attendance definitely came up around the Bridgeport shows and them running Chicago into the ground. Love ya man, but that point of convo is old news.

It’s not a problem unique to AEW, but it has definitely been staring them in the face for a long time and they’ve done nothing about it. They think they’re cooking with gas.
course its its old news, i was talking about it in may

[Mr. Nerfect]

People have been talking about it since the start of the company though. It’s not an incorrect point, just not prescient if it’s from as recently as May.

[Helmsphere]

Gonna ride by Vastardakais house tonight at 3 am and annoyingly rev my engine and honk my horn a bunch.

He lives in Georgia, so it's probably already happening.

[Sepholio]

He lives in Georgia, so it's probably already happening.

lol I know, I live a couple hours away from him.

[Sepholio]

And it was me doing it, as per my post.

[Evil Vito]

The new car smell thing is absolutely a factor for why Grand Slam tickets are so low compared to even a year ago. The drop from 2021 to 2022 was expected IMO. Lots of factors at play in 2021 that were only gonna be a one-time thing. Tickets were cheap, you had the post-COVID boom and it was their first time in the building. But the drop from 2022 to 2023 seems considerably worse.

But the biggest thing is they absolutely overpriced the tickets this year, which was a big problem. It's not really a surprise that they moved like 1,500 seats in the last week and a half when they started offering buy one get one. Well shit, you were basically charging for two tickets to begin with.

Furthermore, while I think the card has some good stuff cooking, it feels like easily the worst of the 3 they've run and it's wedged between 3 PPVs in the span of 6 weeks. So it's nigh on impossible for the show to feel anywhere as important as it did even last year. And these are all things that will impact the gate next year unless they drop day 1 prices, the business is hot, or they move the event to a time where it could get more shine.

[Evil Vito]

They'll easily surpass last year's Ashe gate based on ticket price alone, but there will also be much fewer asses in the seats. And even if this helps AEW's immediate bottom line, it's not going to be a great look for them when 8:30 PM rolls around and you inevitably get a ton of images floating online about this big stadium being not even half full.

There will definitely be fans there who will feel almost a subconscious shame about being there. Like you look around and see such a lousy turnout and think "damn, guess being here is really uncool" and then they don't go again. I don't think people should think this way if they're going out and doing what they enjoy, but shit like that absolutely happens especially for the people who are obsessed with social media, and it can impact a brand's perception.

[Evil Vito]

I'm looking forward to going tomorrow and I have no doubt I'll have fun. Unless my experience blows there's no reason I won't go again in 2024 unless the product totally loses me.

But I can say with complete certainty I'm never buying a day one ticket to this show again. I spent what I thought was a fair amount for a hot ticket and it ended up being not even close to a hot ticket. It is what it is, I wouldn't have spent that if I wasn't comfortable with it. But seeing people buy pretty much the same seat as me for way cheaper because they waited, yep. Not doing that again.

If somehow AEW is shit hot in AEW 2024 and I have to buy my way into the building for above face value, then that's a great situation for them. But I'm definitely gonna be waiting moving forward and I'm sure a lot of people in my situation are in the same boat.

[rez]

A lot of rumblings that Discovery Warner wants AEW on Max for 12 PPVs a year. Could be hearsay...

[xrodmuc316]

A lot of rumblings that Discovery Warner wants AEW on Max for 12 PPVs a year. Could be hearsay...

They have been saying this since Tiny bought ROH, except WBD seems to want nothing to do with ROH. I cannot think of any other reason why AEW is not already on Max other than Tiny trying to shoehorn his ROH library into the deal.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I’ve always wondered if AEW has the appeal to justify throwing it onto Max. Most AEW fans probably have it already. Getting the 70k who watch AEW PPVs in the US if they don’t…is it really worth shelling over a huge chunk of money?

[xrodmuc316]

I dont believe for a second WBD would have a tough time negotiating a dollar amount. Tiny's obsession with pushing ROH seems to be the only point of contention he has ever had with WBD, because they are his toys too damnit!

[Mr. Nerfect]

See, Tony trying to get ROH is what I think really tipped his hand early that there still isn’t that much demand for wrestling. You’d think any serious suitor would have picked up ROH to build a relationship once WBD balked. I don’t know why WBD would just throw more money at AEW if they don’t need to.

[rez]

Tony should make ROH his European product.

[Mr. Nerfect]

MJF & Adam Cole vs. The Righteous is scheduled for FeverDream. Even Dave Meltzer is wtfing that one.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I forgot that FTR and Aussie Open are also having a TV match on PPV there.

[Sting Fan]

I quite like the Omega/Jericho uneasy alliance idea started on Rampage. Changes it up from "Omega calls in the Bucks", lean into Jericho as a face and Jericho can take the hot tag to Omegas face in peril.

Should be entertaining if the pull the trigger on it fully.

[Mr. Nerfect]

How does it make sense though? Why wouldn’t Omega call in his actual friends to help him out?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Tony Khan has promised old chapters in wrestling history will close and a new era will begin at WrestleDream. Not kidding.

[xrodmuc316]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I have received an email with our family photo, residential address &amp; my kid's school address with the subject line &quot;stop criticising AEW&quot;. Well, I quit!<br><br>However, please save this tweet and remember <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/aewbotches?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#aewbotches</a> when the inevitable happens inside the ring. <br><br>Thank You all �� <a href="https://t.co/A2My4svaMj">pic.twitter.com/A2My4svaMj</a></p>&mdash; Wednesday Night Botches (@AllEliteB0tches) <a href="https://twitter.com/AllEliteB0tches/status/1705905607742837197?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 24, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Fignuts]

Not uncommon internet behavier, sadly.

[Splaya]

Tony Khan has promised old chapters in wrestling history will close and a new era will begin at WrestleDream. Not kidding.

I hope he can finally close the chapter on the exploding death match that Moxley participated in where instead of the ring exploding, we were given the sparklers from Gillberg's entrance!!!

[Mr. Nerfect]

Oh, the next Exploding Diarrhoea Match is coming. They will wrong that right, and it will be a tribute to Terry Funk — who Jon Moxley is so much like, in case you didn’t know.

[rez]

In all seriousness. I do not envy T.Kahn. That dude is going to wake up to calls from the Jacksonville Jags GM, whatever soccer is going on overseas with that club, and all the AEW responsibilities.

[xrodmuc316]

In all seriousness. I do not envy T.Kahn. That dude is going to wake up to calls from the Jacksonville Jags GM, whatever soccer is going on overseas with that club, and all the AEW responsibilities.

I have said for a long time that one of the main reasons Shad is cool with Tiny dropping a bunch of his money on AEW is because it keeps Tiny busy and away from the real sports teams.

[Splaya]

I have loved what they have done with Julia Hart. They have made her into this outstanding character for the House of Black. If their plan is not to have her defeat Statlander, I would have her basically turn into a nutcase until she gets it. Have her fall into a deep psychotic episode each time she is on TV. Taz planting that she is the most dangerous member of the House of Black is not falling on deaf ears.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I have said for a long time that one of the main reasons Shad is cool with Tiny dropping a bunch of his money on AEW is because it keeps Tiny busy and away from the real sports teams.

He probably prefers the daughter.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I have loved what they have done with Julia Hart. They have made her into this outstanding character for the House of Black. If their plan is not to have her defeat Statlander, I would have her basically turn into a nutcase until she gets it. Have her fall into a deep psychotic episode each time she is on TV. Taz planting that she is the most dangerous member of the House of Black is not falling on deaf ears.

I haven’t seen what they’re doing, but I just can’t picture Julia Hart being believable as dangerous lol. How have they gotten past her limitations?

[Mr. Nerfect]

The WrestleDream card looks horrible:


* No one cares about Wheeler Yuta. Ricky Starks is leaving. Boring.

* Is Shibata medically cleared or is AEW just negligent? The Eddie Kingston thing is over. Too many belts. There are 3 involved in this match — none of them being over. If this is all they can find for a medically cleared Shibata — lol.

* Four teams in a clusterfuck. The Gunns need to get the fuck out. I just checked the list of teams and have already forgotten who the other ones are. It turns out Hook is on one of the other teams. More belts.

* Sorry Splaya, I don’t buy the Julia Hart stuff could be as good as you say it is.

* Christian Cage is good but feels suphocated by AEW booking. We’re in Darby’s hometown, so they either have to beat him or put the TNT Title on him and beat Christian…again. Just do Sting, Darby & Nick Wayne against House of Black or Bullet Club Gold ffs.

* No one cares about Aussie Open. FTR are good in the ring but have zero steam as a face team.

* Jericho’s stuff has been horrible. The team with Omega makes no sense. Ibushi sucks. The whole Callis stuff is bleh.

* Waste of MJF.

* Swerve going to be in his home state against Adam Page. Should have happened at Grand Slam. Page sucks and Swerve isn’t going to develop his instincts in AEW.

* ZSJ isn’t very good. Danielson feels like a husk of who he was.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I have loved what they have done with Julia Hart. They have made her into this outstanding character for the House of Black. If their plan is not to have her defeat Statlander, I would have her basically turn into a nutcase until she gets it. Have her fall into a deep psychotic episode each time she is on TV. Taz planting that she is the most dangerous member of the House of Black is not falling on deaf ears.

I think it might be a tick too early to have Stat drop the belt, but then again, she’s gone over Baker and Jade so maybe it’s the right time. I like the idea of Julia going nuts until she wins the title. Let Brody steamroll Statlander in a match to give Julia the win.

[GD]

Some creepy Noid-esque fan suggested that the Young Bucks were a cancer to the pro wrestling industry. Just sad.

[XL]

Gotta agree with Mr. N about the belt situation. Looked at that card and there’s something like 9 matches that have titles on the line. Please start making ROH a separate entity and keep those belts off AEW TV.

[drave]

Just replace letters with NXT and have that title go to other shows and the inverse.




Or, call it Night of Champions, and all is forgiven.


I don't know shit about the card, nor did I view the list.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Gotta agree with Mr. N about the belt situation. Looked at that card and there’s something like 9 matches that have titles on the line. Please start making ROH a separate entity and keep those belts off AEW TV.

I actually miscounted. Completely forgot about the International Title being in the four-way tag along with the FTW. 40% of the matches on the card have a belt involved that isn’t being defended. And 1 of those matches has got 2 belts being put to the side.

[Lock Jaw]

I actually miscounted. Completely forgot about the International Title being in the four-way tag along with the FTW. 40% of the matches on the card have a belt involved that isn’t being defended. And 1 of those matches has got 2 belts being put to the side.

I can see only one solution to this problem.

More titles!

[weather vane]

Edge will be debuting at Wrestledream. That’s fun!!

[XL]

Adam Copeland confirmed.

[Lock Jaw]

Christian should be main eventing all their shows

[Evil Vito]

I know Darby’s the hometown boy, but Tony Khan knows everyone will assume this means Copeland is coming in. And I don’t think he’d do this if he weren’t prepared to deliver on it.

[Lock Jaw]

I don't see it as a guarantee of Edge. Only "entitled" rassling fans would see it that way and get "upset" if Tony "doesn't deliver".

Looking at the card, there isn't a world title match... and I assume 2 out of 3 falls means this is like a culmination of a big feud or something (but with AEW could just be random stipulation, who knows)

So without the world title on the line, what else you gonna have main event your show other than your "secondary title" being defended in a "big match" by your hottest act?

[Evil Vito]

I don't see it as a guarantee of Edge. Only "entitled" rassling fans would see it that way and get "upset" if Tony "doesn't deliver".

Looking at the card, there isn't a world title match... and I assume 2 out of 3 falls means this is like a culmination of a big feud or something (but with AEW could just be random stipulation, who knows)

So without the world title on the line, what else you gonna have main event your show other than your "secondary title" being defended in a "big match" by your hottest act?

Danielson is also a hometown guy and he’s probably gonna wrestle a 25-30 minute submission “dream match” with ZSJ that I can guarantee the audience would’ve accepted as a main

I don’t like to criticize promoters for “not delivering” someone not advertised but TK is incredibly online and knows how this works. There’s no way he’s blind to these expectations which wouldn’t be there if the guy on the card most associated to Edge wasn’t headlining this show.

[weather vane]

Edge will be there.

[Lock Jaw]

Danielson rassling a random "dream match" against some guy is not main event material.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol, Tony is exactly the sort of promoter who would ignore the hype he accidentally generates around his shows. AEW has done that since day dot.

Hype might be a strong word for this though. I think it’s more collective groaning that Edge is AEW bound. Also, if you’re going to do it…maybe don’t slot it into the main event slot and telegraph what is supposed to be a surprise?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Danielson rassling a random "dream match" against some guy is not main event material.

Nothing on this card is.

[Lock Jaw]

Except for Christian.

[Sting Fan]

I feel like we just did "Nothing on this cards a main Event" for the last PPV then it was a home run.

As far as Edge goes, not a game changer for me but he will appeal to plenty I am sure if its true. Doesnt matter where it is on the card people will whinge. If it opens TKs an idiot, if it closes TKs a mark, if its middle of the show how could TK screw that up... and god forbid Edge doesn't show up now the IWC has decided hes coming.

Its kinda tiresome.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Except for Christian.

In the right program. It feels like he has been misused.

[Lock Jaw]

In the right program. It feels like he has been misused.

MJF should come out and announce that he has struck a deal to swap titles with Christian.

[XL]

Edge isn’t a big “game changer” for me, but Edge & Christian definitely are. Would have loved to have one last run as a tandem in WWE after they’d both levelled up and it could have been when Christian did that guest spot in the Rumble. That said, E&C vs FTR should deliver the goods if they do the tag route. But do you want to bring Edge in as a heel? You don’t want Christian to go face just yet (unless he turns his “dead dad” routine on the heels?).