All Elite Wrestling

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

reminds me of HE Pennypacker--one of Kramer's assumed identities in Seinfeld.

[Evil Vito]

During this stream the guy was kicking the CPU's ass on Elite difficulty, even though creators a couple of weeks ago said they'd lost matches on Normal.

Watching another stream and this alarmingly seems to still be the case. Guys are handedly beating the CPU in 2-3 minutes on the hardest setting. So much for it being "easy to pick up and play but difficult to master"

Matches in general against the CPU are all short, which is because it's supposed to resemble a fighting game more than a wrestling game. But that means you need to get an actual challenge. Try playing the hardest setting on No Mercy, it's fucking near impossible.

Makes me wonder if they tweaked difficulty from the creator event at DON, because NewLegacy, Chris Denker and others said even Normal difficulty was a legit challenge. That or they were all just lying because they didn't want to rock the boat/not get invited to do cool shit like that again.

[Evil Vito]

Again I think you can play with friends and have a great time fucking around but if you're a strict single player guy this game looks like it's gonna have next to no replayability. Like the game you'd get bored with in a week. Road to the Elite looks like a big nothing from the stream I saw. Repetitive and boring.

Doesn't mean any of this stuff can't be improved upon in future updates. Shit like difficulty is easy to change.

But you can't expect people to pay full price on the hope that they actually do update it with the regularity they say they will.

[xrodmuc316]

<a href="https://ibb.co/j6qhB6t"><img src="https://i.ibb.co/NVfxQVR/DaxTweet.png" alt="DaxTweet" border="0"></a>

I went to embed this tweet right as I saw it, but it was quickly deleted. LOL

I dont know if Twitter has been more of detriment to my perception of a wrestler I used to like than FTR Bald. He is such a turd, I wish he would go away forever.

[Fignuts]

Fight Forevor's saving grace will be how it plays as a party game with friends, which again, will all depend on how the gameplay feels.

They're going to lose their ass financially either way. Releasing a questionably priced wrestling game in the same window as Diablo 4, Street Fighter 6, and Final Fantasy 16? They'll be lucky to get back half of what they spent to make it.

[drave]

https://i.ibb.co/NVfxQVR/DaxTweet.png (https://ibb.co/j6qhB6t)

I went to embed this tweet right as I saw it, but it was quickly deleted. LOL




It's still real to that "top star" DAMMIT!!!!

[GD]

Why is Dax Harwood like this? :nono:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Remember the last time that happened? <a href="https://t.co/sCYnrGoEbP">https://t.co/sCYnrGoEbP</a></p>&mdash; Dave Meltzer (@davemeltzerWON) <a href="https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/1672288353583263750?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 23, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Sepholio]

CTEFTR

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Why is Dax Harwood like this? :nono:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Remember the last time that happened? <a href="https://t.co/sCYnrGoEbP">https://t.co/sCYnrGoEbP</a></p>&mdash; Dave Meltzer (@davemeltzerWON) <a href="https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/1672288353583263750?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 23, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Sir

[Evil Vito]

Dave Meltzer to debut at Forbidden Door during Punk/Kojima where he hits Punk with a LARIATOOOOO

[xrodmuc316]

Tiny Khan admitted he booked a Dynamite using AI ChatGPT, but he didnt like it because it booked the show like it was 2021 still :rofl:

[Maluco]

Jungle Boy coming out and saying he has never watched a Sanada match, doesn’t know anything about the title and who had it and doesn’t pay any attention to NJPW since the Omega left. What a build! Why are these AEW guys so precious?

Won’t listen to vets in the business to improve their piss-poor psychology and story telling. Won’t take advantage of actual heat because they are too busy crying. Look like shit because they can’t be bothered to go to the gym.


All they have is athleticism, but there seems to be no desire to respect and learn from superior performers while they jump around and superkick the night away to a niche fanbase.

If Tony wants the company to grow, he needs to be a boss and get a handle on things. Make stories that generate interest, force his workers to learn from guys that have done it far better and inject some discipline into their presentation and professionalism.

It’s really frustrating to see money and production values that could provide an alternative to the dross WWE puts out, only to see them making wrong turn after wrong turn on the whim of guys that aren’t even stars anyway!

[Sting Fan]

Why is Dax Harwood like this? :nono:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Remember the last time that happened? <a href="https://t.co/sCYnrGoEbP">https://t.co/sCYnrGoEbP</a></p>&mdash; Dave Meltzer (@davemeltzerWON) <a href="https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/1672288353583263750?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 23, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Lol exactly.

AEW seem to be doing a really good job of muddying the water with whats real and whats not. Modern day Kayfabe.

[Evil Vito]

Jungle Boy coming out and saying he has never watched a Sanada match, doesn’t know anything about the title and who had it and doesn’t pay any attention to NJPW since the Omega left. What a build! Why are these AEW guys so precious?

Jungle Boy: says he’s never watched a SANADA match

Also Jungle Boy: uses one of SANADA’s moves to win his match on Rampage

[Evil Vito]

I don’t really care for Jungle Boy but “who the fuck is this loser? This is the guy who accepted my challenge?” makes sense for the build especially since Jungle Boy is being perpetually underestimated and is teetering on the brink of going heel

If NJPW didn’t think Jungle Boy was an acceptable opponent for SANADA they would’ve demanded AEW put up Cole or Hangman or someone else. Think right now NJPW wants SANADA trucking through a bunch of young guys which is why his G1 block is set up the way it is.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Bryan Danielson vs. Kazuchika Okada<br><br>TOMORROW at <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ForbiddenDoor?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ForbiddenDoor</a> LIVE on PPV<br> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWxNJPW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWxNJPW</a> <br><br> Order it now:<br>🔗 <a href="https://t.co/SWp7bcLK64">https://t.co/SWp7bcLK64</a> <a href="https://t.co/QFxq1IsoV7">pic.twitter.com/QFxq1IsoV7</a></p>&mdash; All Elite Wrestling (@AEW) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEW/status/1672616855561707521?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 24, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This is one of the better wrestling posters I’ve ever seen. So hyped.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Punk/Kojima could be good.

The BCC vs. The Elite will suck.

Toni Storm/Willow will be fine.

The four-way will be trash.

Jericho’s tag could be okay.

Sanada/Jungle Boy should be a fun slaughter.

Cole/Lawlor could surprise people. I hope Lawlor wins.

Tanahashi/MJF should be “really good.”

Omega/Ospreay will be amazing to some people, white noise to others.

Okada/Danielson should be legitimately great.

[Mr. Nerfect]

That should be the card order, imo.

* Punk opens the show and has a solid 10-min match with Kojima, which would probably be an honor for each guy.

* The Elite come out and have a moment with Punk on the ramp. I’d personally put The BCC over, but it doesn’t matter. Claudio with the Sharpshooter on…let’s say Matt Jackson.

* The Women’s Title goes next. It doesn’t really matter who wins, but I guess Toni retains so…

* You can at least get something out of the four-way if the title switches hands. ZSJ to take it, I hope.

* Miro should be Sting & Darby’s partner and the faces should go over. Earlier you saw Claudio beat the most useless member of the opposing team, this time Miro gets Jericho and actually forces a star to submit.

* Sanada beats Jungle Boy around like a sack of shit for about 10 mins. Maybe some hope spots for Jungle Boy. Sanada over.

* Lawlor defeats Cole. I think that would be the surprise of the night. Lawlor can talk trash about Cole, Tanahashi, CM Punk and even MJF at the press scrum. Cole might actually be interesting if he loses. Lawlor should beat Cole in under 30 mins so he can brag about doing what MJF couldn’t.

* MJF defeats Tanahashi in 36 mins. You want Tanahashi to go the distance Cole did, but even longer than the 5 extra Cole wanted.

* Omega defeats Ospreay to set up a third match in the UK.

* Okada to defeat Danielson.

Kevin Kelly & Nigel McGuinness should handle the bulk of commentary for the night. Kevin Kelly is the New Japan guy anyway. Nigel is his Collision partner, so it just makes sense to give it to them here. I’d have Excalibur join them for The BCC/Elite and the silly four-way. That way he can make the announcing worse and some people who haven’t already clued on that he sucks might realize it. Schiavone can join for the Jericho/Sting stuff. He might be interesting if he’s only got one job. Taz can join for Sanada/Jungle Boy.

Referee for Danielson/Okada is Red Shoes by virtue of a coin toss. He also calls the IWGP World Title match (because why wouldn’t a New Japan ref call that?). Paul Turner calls MJF/Tanahashi and Punk/Kojima. Bryce Remsburg calls Cole/Lawlor and LIJ vs. House of Black, if it happens. I’d slip that in between MJF/Tanahashi and Cole/Lawlor. Audrey Edwards calls the women’s matches. Rick Knox calls the bullshit matches.

[weather vane]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Bryan Danielson vs. Kazuchika Okada<br><br>TOMORROW at <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ForbiddenDoor?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ForbiddenDoor</a> LIVE on PPV<br> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWxNJPW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWxNJPW</a> <br><br> Order it now:<br>🔗 <a href="https://t.co/SWp7bcLK64">https://t.co/SWp7bcLK64</a> <a href="https://t.co/QFxq1IsoV7">pic.twitter.com/QFxq1IsoV7</a></p>&mdash; All Elite Wrestling (@AEW) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEW/status/1672616855561707521?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 24, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This is one of the better wrestling posters I’ve ever seen. So hyped.

Is that Golobulus?

[Fignuts]

lol no one is going to know who that is.

Except me, I guess.

[Frank Drebin]

That makes it look like Okada has been drinking Ken Griffey Jrs. Brain and Nerve Tonic but its otherwise really fn sweet.

[weather vane]

Weird no Jay White on the Forbidden Door card. Maybe they get involved in the Punk match?

[Frank Drebin]

He lost a "loser leaves NJPW" match so it makes sense story wise not to have him.

[Evil Vito]

Weird no Jay White on the Forbidden Door card. Maybe they get involved in the Punk match?

He lost a match to Hikuleo in Japan where the loser would be banned from competing in Japan, and then a match to Eddie Kingston where the loser would be banished from competing in an NJPW ring.

Since this is a co-branded show, it makes sense to me he wouldn’t be booked to wrestle so as to not step on the stipulation. Doesn’t mean they won’t eventually walk it back but I get not doing it only a couple months after his banishment.

[Evil Vito]

Had White been written off in another way there would’ve probably been some semblance of Bullet Club vs Bullet Club Gold going on since David Finlay has openly said anything other than his Bullet Club is bullshit.

But alas.

[DrA]

He lost a match to Hikuleo in Japan where the loser would be banned from competing in Japan, and then a match to Eddie Kingston where the loser would be banished from competing in an NJPW ring.

Since this is a co-branded show, it makes sense to me he wouldn’t be booked to wrestle so as to not step on the stipulation. Doesn’t mean they won’t eventually walk it back but I get not doing it only a couple months after his banishment.

Damn they really don’t want him wrestling in that company.

[#1-norm-fan]

Remember when “non-sanctioned” matches were a big thing in wrestling to push a blood feud?

Some guy banned from working for a company should just constantly challenge guys to non-sanctioned matches.

[#1-norm-fan]

“But why would the company even air the matches?”

Because wrestling.

[Sepholio]

It's kinda weird that in Fight Forever Cody cuts the same promo he did on RAW on May 15th. Like...verbatim.

[#1-norm-fan]

It must have tested well with the focus group.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It’s so surreal AEW is releasing a video game that still has Cody Rhodes in it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Of the Collision main event, 2 of the 8 people involved are in the game. So that’s something.

[XL]

Didn’t Eddie Kingston quit AEW? Yet he’s on Forbidden Door?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah, he quit then changed his mind. Long-term storytelling.

[Fignuts]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Datamine Pipe Bomb Leak.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWFightForever?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWFightForever</a> Stadium Stampede is a 30-player, online Battle Royale mode. This is what the Battle Pass is for.<br><br>Loadouts, chests, VEHICLES (horse! golf cart!), shrinking circle, the WHOLE NINE YARDS.<br><br>Absolutely baffling why THQ hasnt revealed it. <a href="https://t.co/6qiRTQpZpp">pic.twitter.com/6qiRTQpZpp</a></p>&mdash; Lynch ���� ���� || #AEWFightForever | June 29 (@LynchReborn) <a href="https://twitter.com/LynchReborn/status/1673417786456932352?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 26, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

An honest to god battle royal mode in a wrestling game is either going to be crazy stuipd fun or the worst thing ever. No inbetween.

[Wehttam]

sounds like rumbleverse.

[Destor]

Ive spoken with a few people who have played it early. General consensus is this is a great party game. Exists in the same space of a mario party. Get the gang together and have dumb good fun. Its def rough around the edges though. Granted we will have a day 1 patch that they dont have so im hesitant to comment on any that since the release product isnt technically in existence yet.

That said i wish they had chosen to have 0 CAW aspects in the game altogether so it doesnt detract from dev resources. That time wouldve been better spent refining the core systems and i think from what im hearing what will be offered will be so content shallow that it will be a big detractor for a lot of people. Whereas if it simply werent there it would just be something they wished for instead of something they lament.

But from what im hearing it's fun and the more choas you add the more fun it is.

[Fignuts]

I think they should have stuck to next gen consoles as well. To this day, I still believe a large part of what fucked cyberpunk 2077's launch was the sheer amount of platforms it was developed for. Fight Forever is coming out for eveything but the N-Gage.

[Fignuts]

I'm not going to buy it at launch as I'm deep into Street Fighter 6's guts right now. Plus it will give me time to see how moddable the pc version is and what people do with it.

[XL]

Ive spoken with a few people who have played it early. General consensus is this is a great party game. Exists in the same space of a mario party. Get the gang together and have dumb good fun. Its def rough around the edges though. Granted we will have a day 1 patch that they dont have so im hesitant to comment on any that since the release product isnt technically in existence yet.

That said i wish they had chosen to have 0 CAW aspects in the game altogether so it doesnt detract from dev resources. That time wouldve been better spent refining the core systems and i think from what im hearing what will be offered will be so content shallow that it will be a big detractor for a lot of people. Whereas if it simply werent there it would just be something they wished for instead of something they lament.

But from what im hearing it's fun and the more choas you add the more fun it is.
Can you do the party stuff online? Do people get together like they used to to play video games?

[Destor]

Servers arent live yet to my knowledge so i didnt ask about online and they didnt mention it so either it was inoffensive or unavailable

[Fignuts]

Watching the new legacy stream right now. Looks janky but fun. Some cool details here and there.

[Evil Vito]

If the 30-player battle royal mode is as fun as it can be and the servers aren't broken, it'll be worth an eventual purchase for me on its own. Feels like the kind of thing I'd play for sessions on end, without even touching the base game.

I'd guess that would be a Septemberish rollout based on the All Out-themed battlepack associated with it.

[drave]

Get ready for that cheese. Whoever ends up with the fastest, easiest over the top rope KO is gonna be what you're up against, which sounds like Malakai Black at this time.


I dunno, No Mercy was really fun with those modes, so maybe?

[Evil Vito]

Well I should've said battle royale, it's not a literal battle royal but a 30-person brawl in a huge stadium.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Not officially announced yet but apparently AEW: Fight Forever <br>has an online Stadium Stampede match type using the Battle Pass!<br><br>&quot;A Battle Royale style mode pitting together up to 30 players at once. Fight within a massive stadium and aim to be the last wrestler standing!&quot; <a href="https://t.co/25FfrSN1Ql">pic.twitter.com/25FfrSN1Ql</a></p>&mdash; Drainmaker ��️ �� (@DrainBamager) <a href="https://twitter.com/DrainBamager/status/1673631326560452608?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 27, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I'm sure someone will find a way to cheese it anyway but if this is basically Rumbleverse with good servers it'll be fun as hell.

[Evil Vito]

Still very much a game I'm waiting several months and probably a price drop to get, though.

I mean there's people playing early access now claiming it's gotten samey/boring after an hour. All the more reason to wait and see if these online modes present the fun, chaotic kind of game it's trying to be. Single player itself will get old exceedingly fast.

[rez]

https://www.gamesradar.com/aew-fight-forever-review/

[Mr. Nerfect]

IGN gave it a 6. That’s not a Meltzer 6/5. That’s 6/10.

[drave]

lolIGN

[drave]

And I say that strictly from a gamer's perspective. They've been so damn unreliable, there have been self-owned memes they publish later in retro.


Reviewers, most of them, cannot be trusted unless you know who is paying them to do so. I will forever stand by demo releases as being the best way to gauge something. Even that, today, has it's caveats with day 1 patches, but is better than anything else.

[rez]

What platform y'all thinking? I'm still leaning Switch

[rez]

https://www.nintendolife.com/reviews/nintendo-switch/aew-fight-forever

Maybe not. Frame rate is to be expected but freezing ehh

[Evil Vito]

Everybody says it's going to work best as a party game/online game. But if you're a 1P who either has no friends interested in playing and you, for whatever reason, are averse to playing online (due to cheesing etc) it's just like, what are you even getting here? Some of the reviewers who have had the game for 1-2 weeks have beaten every single possible RTE path already. What is left?

So yeah, absolutely don't blame any single player who wants to wait and see if any of their promised "regular updates" actually add longevity to the 1P experience. I'm not talking just adding new wrestlers to a barebones game. I'm talking new match types, new RTE stories, a Universe-esque sandbox mode, tons of new CAW options, etc.

Or will the updates they put out largely be like EA Sports, aka putting everything into monetizing the online experience, aka not giving a single flying fuck about offline players.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Not everyone is saying it is a good party game. Some people are saying that and some people are saying it is janky and not that fun at all.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The new No Mercy, ladies and gentlemen.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AEW named the F-5 after an illness Brock Lesnar had in their video game.<br><br>That's umm yeah, that's pretty bad. <a href="https://t.co/BNKlW43yjO">pic.twitter.com/BNKlW43yjO</a></p>&mdash; SlappadaBRO.Wrestling (@SlappadaBRO_WWE) <a href="https://twitter.com/SlappadaBRO_WWE/status/1673817656745668608?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 27, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

LOL

[rez]

fuck. it getting it for ps5 right meow

i think

[rez]

even got the elite edition.

[rez]

downloading. i'm gonna go take a poo

[rez]

then i'ma play

[rez]

Just did an exhibition of Sting versus Malakai Black at Double or Nothing.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Thoughts so far?

[rez]

No full entrances (at least that I've figured out how to toggle on) lame.

Did a DoN Casino Battle Royale. When my character finally came out, I couldn't control them. They just laid limp dick and took all the damages and thrown out the ring. WTF?

No play by play and the refs are slow as shit to get on the pin.

Other than that...fun!

[rez]

mini games are hilarious

[rez]

Orange Cassidy doesn't have Pixies - Where is my Mind or Jefferson Starship - Jane. :|

[rez]

Punk and Jungle Jack get their licensed themes. I can understand JB getting his since Tony made a big deal about buying the rights.

No Moxley's Wild Thing.

I get it. Music royalties suck but funny they got Cult of Personality.

[rez]

Danielson has Flight

[Mr. Nerfect]

Holy fuck they’re pieces of shit.

[rez]

https://cdn.fanbyte.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Crow-Sting-facepaint-1996.jpg?x72092

Sting! Come on, man. Your old biceps can't look any worse than Funk or Flair's. Drop the long sleeved shirt.

[Destor]

Metacritic is about as predicted. Mid 60s. I thought high 60s but pretty close all in all. Slate had a good review but the reviewer there is very in tune with this specific niche audience. Most reviews noting the foundation is present but it needed more dev time.

i think from a playing it aspect the only thing that needs immediate attention is the ref. She is way too slow to get into position. Completely kills the momentum of the moment waiting on her to come over. Its not a massive wait but we're talking it feels like an 8 count instead of 3 count. Its not insignificant.

The real gripes are the presentation and the features. Its not content rich at all and the content outside of the matches isnt of note.

Unfortunately none of this matters. This issues occurring at Embracer Group (the owners of publisher THQ Nordic) means that low performing and risky IPs will not be coming out from their web.

They just had a 2billion dollar deal, of which we know nothing else about, fall through and they spent nearly $400 million on LotR. Theres going to be a lot of studios go under in the wake of this and a lot less experimenting.

Unless this moves some serious units we wont be seeing the potential realized. A moderate seller isnt going to do it. And thats a shame. It would be like if World Tour released and we never got Revenge.

[rez]

You can switch the ref and it's still bad

[Destor]

I didnt mean literally that the female ref was specifically doing anything. She's just the default so i used "her."

[rez]

I'm gonna give it a 5/10 so far. That can be improved upon to like a 7.

[Fignuts]

I'll pick it up if friends get it, as multiplayer looks genuinely fun, but that probably won't be for a while. Too many better games out right now taking up our time.

And I've got fire pro for my single player wrestling fix.

[Destor]

Absolutely. I passed on SF6 once they announced MK for this year. Just too many massive time sinks to fit in smaller titles. Ive picked this up but more for the sales data for AKI's/yukes' sake than anything. Theyve earned some consumer good will. At the moment it looks like the rest of my year is locked game wise. Totk->FF16->Trails to Reverie->MK1->Spider-man. Theres just not time. That said im having a gathering on the 4th and we'll def pop this in a bit.

[xrodmuc316]

LOL TNA 2.0

UKH1UiNNLmc

-ITB_TkQUXk

Seriously, how does this happen?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Hahahaha! That’s got to be a Yukes thing, where they just decided to slip in a little rib at these assholes.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It’s eerie how similar Dixie Carter and Tony Khan are too. Was just listening to The Lapsed Fan’s TNA journey and they played clips of Bruce Prichard saying he couldn’t get Dixie on the phone when he got fired. They both only want to talk to people when they’ve got something positive to talk about.

[Vastardikai]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AEW named the F-5 after an illness Brock Lesnar had in their video game.<br><br>That's umm yeah, that's pretty bad. <a href="https://t.co/BNKlW43yjO">pic.twitter.com/BNKlW43yjO</a></p>&mdash; SlappadaBRO.Wrestling (@SlappadaBRO_WWE) <a href="https://twitter.com/SlappadaBRO_WWE/status/1673817656745668608?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 27, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

LOL

Their only hope is that Lesnar has no clue who these clowns are. I mean, they could theoretically take Punk 3 on 1 (they didn't, but...), but Brock would grab one of the Bucks and beat the rest of them to death with him.

[Destor]

Pretty sure thats a kevin steen reference

[Evil Vito]

Yeah Steen used the F5 in PWG and it was called the Deep Sea Diverticulitis. Excalibur named the move.

Of course, it would've been in the early 2010s and always a reference to Brock but nobody cared then and it's funny to see people pretending to be offended now.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

There isn't anything even slightly offensive about it.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Vastardikai hates AEW so much that he's decided Brock Lesnar is somehow super precious and easily gets his feelings hurt by innocuous ribs.

[Sepholio]

That's funny coming from one of the guys who activates defensive positions when someone disparages the great CM Phil.

[GD]

KOJIMA!

LARIAT!

LARIAT!

LARIAT!

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

That's funny coming from one of the guys who activates defensive positions when someone disparages the great CM Phil.

Add Bret Hart to that list.

[GD]

https://media.tenor.com/XNjC0rOEHusAAAAM/cm-punk.gif

[Evil Vito]

Arthur Ashe officially announced for September 20th which is the date I figured it would be given the last 2 years

Wonder how this will wind up doing. While the 2022 attendance (just under 14k) is still way more than your average AEW TV taping, it was a significant drop from the 20k they pulled for the first one.

Plenty of reasons for it. The product in September 2021 is overwhelmingly considered the hottest period in AEW history. You had the extra boost from hitting the town for the first time, and people wanting to be a part of a landmark event for the company. For many fans it was the first wrestling show, if not first major public gathering, they've been to since COVID so obviously there was a lot of pent up energy there too which kept the crowd red hot even through the entire 4+ hours of tapings.

Last year had none of these things going for it. The product was generally considered to be coming off of a weak summer. The novelty factor wasn't there anymore. A lot of people thought the first show, while fun, was just too damn long and also Arthur Ashe did a terrible job of anticipating the crowd, anyone who went to concession lines would miss 30+ minutes of the show. So experiences like that made it a "that was fun but never again" deal for some. And most of all, the ticket prices went up considerably.

[xrodmuc316]

Arthur Ashe officially announced for September 20th which is the date I figured it would be given the last 2 years

Wonder how this will wind up doing. While the 2022 attendance (just under 14k) is still way more than your average AEW TV taping, it was a significant drop from the 20k they pulled for the first one.

Plenty of reasons for it. The product in September 2021 is overwhelmingly considered the hottest period in AEW history. You had the extra boost from hitting the town for the first time, and people wanting to be a part of a landmark event for the company. For many fans it was the first wrestling show, if not first major public gathering, they've been to since COVID so obviously there was a lot of pent up energy there too which kept the crowd red hot even through the entire 4+ hours of tapings.

Last year had none of these things going for it. The product was generally considered to be coming off of a weak summer. The novelty factor wasn't there anymore. A lot of people thought the first show, while fun, was just too damn long and also Arthur Ashe did a terrible job of anticipating the crowd, anyone who went to concession lines would miss 30+ minutes of the show. So experiences like that made it a "that was fun but never again" deal for some. And most of all, the ticket prices went up considerably.

Its almost like they did something about a month before that really ended up screwing up their company. Wonder what that was and how unforseen that result could have been....:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[drave]

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[GD]

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[GD]

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[Sepholio]

Ya'll heathens need to wash your feet and asses.

[drave]

I am part of the washed masses

[XL]

Its almost like they did something about a month before that really ended up screwing up their company. Wonder what that was and how unforseen that result could have been....:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

I don’t live and breath AEW like you xrod so I’m not aware of what you’re referring to. Please enlighten me.

[xrodmuc316]

I don’t live and breath AEW like you xrod so I’m not aware of what you’re referring to. Please enlighten me.

Have you NEVER read any of my posts???? CM Phil bro!

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah Steen used the F5 in PWG and it was called the Deep Sea Diverticulitis. Excalibur named the move.

Of course, it would've been in the early 2010s and always a reference to Brock but nobody cared then and it's funny to see people pretending to be offended now.

No one is “offended.” It’s just fucking childish to drop illnesses people deal with into your business. It’s why I wouldn’t walk into a shopping center and start yelling “Cancer!” at everyone I saw.

Fuck me, wrestlers and wrestling fans are the worst.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

No one is “offended.” It’s just fucking childish to drop illnesses people deal with into your business. It’s why I wouldn’t walk into a shopping center and start yelling “Cancer!” at everyone I saw.

Fuck me, wrestlers and wrestling fans are the worst.

I mean....come on Noid. People are offended, and it's a nothing rib. You just hate AEW, and they can do no right. Brock's a big boy, and he's got his own list of transgressions that vastly outweigh diverticulitis 5. If he can't take it, he can fuck off.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I’m sure Brock doesn’t give a shit. But let’s not act like it’s not childish. The whole concept of the video game offends me way more than an insult mocking someone’s illness. Lol, mocking someone’s illness. Like we should even be discussing whether or not it’s called for.

[Mr. Nerfect]

You know what? Carlito should call his Lungblower the Lung CANCER! That would be so fucking cool! :rofl:

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I mean yeah it's childish. That's why it's funny.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Dale, you honestly don’t think it’s funny, do you? Stop being nice to those idiots lol.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Something can be petty, stupid, and harmless. Not everything AEW does has to be the end of the fucking world.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Dale, you honestly don’t think it’s funny, do you? Stop being nice to those idiots lol.

I think it's funny because it's stupid and petty. I don't think it's the height of humor. but it's also nothing and it's funny that people would act offended by it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don’t find petty stuff funny, sorry. There’s no wit to it at all. It’s just a mean-spirited jab at a condition that caused a guy a lot of strife. You can kind of fuck off with that shit. To put it in a video game when you’re supposed to be 10 years wiser or whatever? It’s just more reason to wipe your ass with the company.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Like you know what diverticulitis 5 isn't worse than? WWE using Reid Flair's death to prop up some shit storyline.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I don’t find petty stuff funny, sorry. There’s no wit to it at all. It’s just a mean-spirited jab at a condition that caused a guy a lot of strife. You can kind of fuck off with that shit. To put it in a video game when you’re supposed to be 10 years wiser or whatever? It’s just more reason to wipe your ass with the company.

lol

[GD]

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[Ol Dirty Dastard]

There are "moral outrage" battles to take on. Someone mocking Brock Lesnar's condition he brought on himself because he ate nothing but roast beef every day isn't one of them.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Like you know what diverticulitis 5 isn't worse than? WWE using Reid Flair's death to prop up some shit storyline.

Dunno how those two things are linked, but sure. Both are shitty.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

No. Diverticulitis 5 is a giant nothing. Brock Lesnar is an asshole and I don't feel sorry for him.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It doesn’t take much room in one’s life to say “that’s fucking gross” and move the fuck on. Which is what people have been doing in general with AEW since the beginning.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Like I'm a fan of Brock as a performer. But I could give two fucks about his sickness or his struggles

[Mr. Nerfect]

No. Diverticulitis 5 is a giant nothing. Brock Lesnar is an asshole and I don't feel sorry for him.

I’m sure Brock is an asshole and you don’t need to feel sorry for him. I don’t feel sorry for AEW and the shit it brings upon itself either.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Just call it a Fireman’s Carry DDT lol. It’s not that fucking hard.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Brock’s a great performer.

[xrodmuc316]

Like you know what diverticulitis 5 isn't worse than? WWE using Reid Flair's death to prop up some shit storyline.

#FEDBAD!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mr. Nerfect]

Tony Khan is going to start commissioning murders so he has more deaths to exploit on TV.

[xrodmuc316]

Tony Khan is going to start commissioning murders so he has more deaths to exploit on TV.

Tiny Khan could murder 10 people, and ODD would say "Well Hitler killed 6 million, that is way worse, GOOD JOB TONY KHAN!"

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

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[Damian Rey 2.0]

Imagine getting worked up and posting on multiple pages because a wrestling company you hate but can’t stop talking about used a rib name for a move in their video game.

Was there this big of a loser outrage when Steen originally did it way back when? My guess is prob not because Noid, the loser in this scenario, was too busy fantasy booking a Val Venis v Doug Basham wrestlemania trilogy.

[screech]

Imagine getting worked up and posting on multiple pages because a wrestling company you hate but can’t stop talking about did literally anything.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Dale’s pretty honest about AEW. But I don’t get the Reid Flair/WWE stuff being brought up. Yeah, that was tasteless too.

[#1-norm-fan]

I just wanna hear the story of why Excalibur named it that in the first place. Lol

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Dale’s pretty honest about AEW. But I don’t get the Reid Flair/WWE stuff being brought up. Yeah, that was tasteless too.

It's not even on the same stratosphere of tastelessness lol. Exploiting the tragic death of one of your talent's siblings is beyond fucked up. Diverticulitis 5 is literally a nothing rib.

Your reaction reminds me of the Young Buck/Omega fans acting like Punk gaslighted those guys and gave them PTSD.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I’m not even saying they’re in the same realm lol. I didn’t introduce it, you did. The move thing is just tasteless and stupid. It doesn’t need to be placed on a gradient.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Based on how strident you are about it, I think it was needed for some perspective. We're talking about the pro wrestling business FFS.

[screech]

I swear I read a few months ago that Kenny and the bucks no longer hold their EVP positions as a condition of the legal issues with Punk.

Is that true or did someone make it up and a bunch of people just ran with it?

[Destor]

Its a token title regardless

[xrodmuc316]

It's not even on the same stratosphere of tastelessness lol. Exploiting the tragic death of one of your talent's siblings is beyond fucked up. Diverticulitis 5 is literally a nothing rib.

Your reaction reminds me of the Young Buck/Omega fans acting like Punk gaslighted those guys and gave them PTSD.

I don't think anybody is arguing that using Reid's death is not distasteful, at least I am not. But just because WWE did something distasteful does not excuse AEW doing something distasteful, albeit less distasteful.

It is the old 2 wrongs don't make a right. They are both distasteful.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Based on how strident you are about it, I think it was needed for some perspective. We're talking about the pro wrestling business FFS.

Well, that doesn’t really achieve that. WWE shouldn’t have done that and AEW shouldn’t do this. Pretty simple.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I just saw that the silly tag tournament AEW is doing has Keith Lee teaming up with Swerve Strickland. Just to remind you of the feud that never went anywhere. And that being Tag Champs in this company doesn’t mean anything. They’re going against Darby Allin & Orange Cassidy. This. Fucking. Company.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Pretty sure Omega & The Bucks are still EVPs. They don’t really do anything though. And that title will possibly disappear if/when they re-sign with the company.

[GD]

You guys, I'm so over this AEW nonsense. I can't even with this rich fuck boi fantasy league anymore. Wish Corny would start a wrestling coz he'll treat it like a real sport. Fuck it! Have the entire front row be filled with Ethiopians eating buckets of chicken.

[weather vane]

Diverticulitis Five.

[Mr. Nerfect]

So how about that video game, huh?

[Destor]

Its a fun time. Great party game. Highly flawed, but fun. Easily the most fun wrestling game from an american company in a decade. Still, it clearly needed another year for polish and maybe an extra mode or two. They claim there's post launch support for a year or two but with embracer groups financial situation im going to call this, unfortunately, essentially the final product.

A good dumb time though. Aint no firepro though.

[Fignuts]

Modders are already adding stuff in. Forbidden Door arena, Cody's WWE attire, etc.

Also a giant dildo in the weapons pool lol

[Sepholio]

Kenny vs A Blowup Doll in a dildo on a pole match in the Tokyo Dome.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The blowup doll will make main roster before FTR.

[Evil Vito]

They claim there's post launch support for a year or two but with embracer groups financial situation im going to call this, unfortunately, essentially the final product.

Yeah I’d expect updates to be primarily cosmetic (wrestlers, arenas, etc). Maybe a few logic/gameplay tweaks here and there and that’s about it.

If they were to add anything beyond that (match types, etc) I would say that would be fairly stunning given the reality of what is happening at Embracer. Assets get reallocated/studios closed and moved to the bigger name IPs all the time.

As someone who is/has been a massive fan of the Tony Hawk series, the THPS 1+2 remake/remaster was fantastic. Immediately sold a million units within a week. Fans of the series gave it overwhelmingly rave reviews. And even after all of that, Activision killed the 3+4 remake by folding Vicarious Visions and moving them over to work on Diablo.

So yeah there’s no way a niche game like this is gonna get much in the way of support. The folks who act like this is gonna feel like a brand new game in a year are gonna be in for a rough time.

[Destor]

Initially they were talking like this was going to be an ongoing support game, hence the title "Forever," but there's just no chance of that happening at this point. Im hopeful theyll focus 90 days or so of patches and focus on collision detection first and foremost but we'll see.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Jade Cargill’s social media conduct seems to suggest that she is disenchanted with wrestling and might be looking to move on. Could be nothing, but she certainly doesn’t seem rah-rah about making an AEW return.

[Fignuts]

At the very least, the community manager has made themselves present on reddit and is keeping people updated on what they're working on. That being, stabilization of the ps4 version at the moment.

[Evil Vito]

I could see it going either way with Cargill. Wouldn't be surprised if she wanted to move on from wrestling, but we also live in an age of social media angles. To which I'd say that IF it were an angle, it actually kinda works.

First off, it'd be totally in character for her to not be in a rush to return after finally taking a loss and losing her streak.

But the bigger thing is for a "I'm not coming back" social media tease to actually work, it has to be believable. Most people who tease this you know they're full of shit because you can't envision them outside of the wrestling bubble. Not the case with Jade Cargill. Someone who looks like her should absolutely try to go Hollywood.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I’m a bit burnt out on the “the company I work for sucks and I want out” stories. It doesn’t make anyone look good. Jade has that super-athlete “pay me, pay me, pay me” thing about her, but it doesn’t do them many favors for this to be worked. It’d be better if losing the TBS Title made Jade more humble and she teased a face turn to go against some of the assholes on the roster, tbh.

She could just be firing off at the gums following whatever synapses are shooting at the time. She strikes me as being of “that generation” that really doesn’t understand how you can be unprofessional over social media. But she could also just be like “been here, done it” about the whole thing.

[rez]

Jade could absolutely have Hollywood potential. It's not like she was some 5 star bball recruit that went to Tennessee, UConn, etc. Now look at her. Apples to oranges to cranberries but you get the gist.

[rez]

With that note. just started the aew campaign. irritated me I had to quit out so I could turn on manual targets. that's pretty typical tho. don't play this game without manual targets turned on. I repeat...

[Tom Guycott]

Jade Cargill’s social media conduct seems to suggest that she is disenchanted with wrestling and might be looking to move on. Could be nothing, but she certainly doesn’t seem rah-rah about making an AEW return.

I’m a bit burnt out on the “the company I work for sucks and I want out” stories. It doesn’t make anyone look good. Jade has that super-athlete “pay me, pay me, pay me” thing about her, but it doesn’t do them many favors for this to be worked. It’d be better if losing the TBS Title made Jade more humble and she teased a face turn to go against some of the assholes on the roster, tbh.

She could just be firing off at the gums following whatever synapses are shooting at the time. She strikes me as being of “that generation” that really doesn’t understand how you can be unprofessional over social media. But she could also just be like “been here, done it” about the whole thing.

I could see it going either way with Cargill. Wouldn't be surprised if she wanted to move on from wrestling, but we also live in an age of social media angles. To which I'd say that IF it were an angle, it actually kinda works.

First off, it'd be totally in character for her to not be in a rush to return after finally taking a loss and losing her streak.

But the bigger thing is for a "I'm not coming back" social media tease to actually work, it has to be believable. Most people who tease this you know they're full of shit because you can't envision them outside of the wrestling bubble. Not the case with Jade Cargill. Someone who looks like her should absolutely try to go Hollywood.

Jade could absolutely have Hollywood potential. It's not like she was some 5 star bball recruit that went to Tennessee, UConn, etc. Now look at her. Apples to oranges to cranberries but you get the gist.

All of this leaves me with a "wait and see" approach, because, while people do use social media in attempts at kayfabe, some use it as exactly the opposite more often. Sometimes, the same people will use their shit for a total work, then turn around and say some things that completely countermands what they even do for a living. Cargill doesn't exactly have a long, trackable history of doing either.

Side tangent: I personally think the Jungle Boy heel turn was less of a plan in motion, and more a result of him being a shithead at meet & greets and such and someone suggesting he just roll with it. I think the two things were about as unrelated as the time Austin Aries walked out of TNA and people thought it was the start of some "anti-establishment" angle. Nope. He was literally just being a dick and really ditched them. And JB was like "You know what, [person suggesting]? That's a good idea. I get to do less meet & greets if the fans don't want to see me!"

Back to "Jane".

That is a decent point of Jade being essentially a nobody of a tier lower than most WNBA stars you couldn't name before this whole thing started, and now, within the timeframe of a presidency term, she's a global fitness postergirl even if she never takes another bump. She could have done all this in the vein of the clout chasers WWE were hot to get with their whole "all we want are young people without wrestling backgrounds anymore" mandate they were doing and possibly still has in place of some form.

Could be a work, could be a shoot. She might actually have "the bug" for the business, or she used her time in AEW the same way folks parlay reality show fame. She could be acting like MJF with the strictest of kayfabery, or giving the entire game away like Ronda Rousey tends to do.

I'll wait and see with her.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The Jungle Boy heel turn is bad in conception, bad in execution and is going to be bad all-round.

[rez]

The Jungle Boy heel turn is bad in conception, bad in execution and is going to be bad all-round.

word

[rez]

I think I'ma make Chyna in Fight Forever to go up against Jade.

[rez]

just tuning in. no dynamite thread!? for shame

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

Keith Lee vs. Chris Hero, pls

[GD]

Keith Lee vs. Chris Hero, pls

Battle of the fatties

[#1-norm-fan]

Tony Khan: Enabler of chili dog addictions.

[rez]

Fight Forever has some good jokes here and there in the campaign. Jericho wearing a Toronto shirt..lol

[Sepholio]

AEW wishes Brian Pillman Jr the best in all his future endeavours.

[rez]

I blame Julia Hart!

[Mr. JL]

Jade has nothing to bitch about... 60-0 something AEW record with a title for a year or two or whatever. LITERALLY given the FN world but absolutely not able to capitalize...

If its not an designed angle... she should quit. Because she sucks.

Plenty of folks in AEW or WWE could DO A MO-FUCKING LOT with a 60-0 RECORD THAT SPANS OVER A YEAR with a Title Belt.

[Tom Guycott]

Jade has nothing to bitch about... 60-0 something AEW record with a title for a year or two or whatever. LITERALLY given the FN world but absolutely not able to capitalize...

If its not an designed angle... she should quit. Because she sucks.

Plenty of folks in AEW or WWE could DO A MO-FUCKING LOT with a 60-0 RECORD THAT SPANS OVER A YEAR with a Title Belt.

That's a bit unfair, given that the "big angles" she seemed to be set for were Thunder Rosa when she got mysteriously chased off/potentially jumped depending on where that story was recounted, and one of the times Kris Statlander got hurt. Didn't really seem to be anything going on once Cody and Brandi departed. There wasn't any real contingency, and Jade seemed she existed as an island unto herself away from most of the other women's talent, such as they were. Not the time to litigate how good they were or weren't... but it wasn't like she was matching up with Riho or Britt Baker on the regular. They fed her mostly job girls who were never seen before or since and didn't seem to have any real "plans" for her otherwise.

I still say "wait and see". Even literally being Girl-berg (as in, being an uninitiated rookie with minimal wrestling training given the same push that Goldberg was as an uninitiated rookie with minimal wrestling training), it's not like she's that unmitigated disaster WWE tried to push, fired, and then rehired and tried to push again in the uncoordinated mess that was "All Red Everything" Eva fucking Marie. There's enough incompetence in AEW that this could be an angle or they legit still have no real plans and will allow her to walk. Either way, her stock is up from when she started.
I again say "wait and see".

[Splaya]

Jade has nothing to bitch about... 60-0 something AEW record with a title for a year or two or whatever. LITERALLY given the FN world but absolutely not able to capitalize...

If its not an designed angle... she should quit. Because she sucks.

Plenty of folks in AEW or WWE could DO A MO-FUCKING LOT with a 60-0 RECORD THAT SPANS OVER A YEAR with a Title Belt.

I just don't see the allure of her as a wrestler. Like sure, muscular and fit. But after being 60-0 in the ring, I would expect her to be an elite level talent, not botching some of the moves that basic rookies can do.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

She’s still pretty damn green. 4 years experience and the last 3 plus of that has been on national TV and ppv well before she was ready. I certainly see the potential in her and think there’s more there. She doesn’t need to be an in ring savant to succeed. She’s mostly look, presence and presentation, like Britt Baker.

What she hasn’t really had in direction and good storylines to work with. She’s been mostly fed jobbers of the week. She had a pretty good match with Tay Conti last year. But I think she needs more time thinking she getting matches in off TV and given real direction when she gets back.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Kind of a mark mentality to assume push = happiness.

[XL]

She’s still pretty damn green. 4 years experience and the last 3 plus of that has been on national TV and ppv well before she was ready. I certainly see the potential in her and think there’s more there. She doesn’t need to be an in ring savant to succeed. She’s mostly look, presence and presentation, like Britt Baker.

What she hasn’t really had in direction and good storylines to work with. She’s been mostly fed jobbers of the week. She had a pretty good match with Tay Conti last year. But I think she needs more time thinking she getting matches in off TV and given real direction when she gets back.

Your second paragraph answers your first. The very best in the industry say how working with people better than them helped them elevate their game. Jade has been put with jobbers mostly her entire career. They’re jobbers for a reason. Even a Tay Conti is just about passable in the ring. I know it’s slim pickings for great female talent on the AEW side of things but there are girls there she could have worked with, or get a veteran to work with her 1-on-1. What’s Finlay up to nowadays?

[Vastardikai]

I would argue it is kind of odd that Jade didn't even sniff the higher end of the card.

[Sepholio]

Of course she didn't. They wanted Girlberg but didn't want to have to bury the small amount of real talent they have in the process.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Tony Khan just sucks at booking.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Jade loses the belt, becomes a bit more humble, turns her attention towards evil-doers.

[GD]

Wish Tony Khan would book his promotion exactly to the liking of Noid.

[Vastardikai]

Of course she didn't. They wanted Girlberg but didn't want to have to bury the small amount of real talent they have in the process.

They have Serena, yes? And Shida wasn't used much. So, there is too programs that would have benefitted Jade immensely.

[Vastardikai]

Also, it appears AEW just got a new Health and Safety protocol. In other words, they just got a Health and Safety Protocol.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It’s called the common sense protocol. 85% of the roster is up in arms about it.

[drave]

What's strictly prohibited...
Specifically, a document was sent out that outright banned unprotected chair shots to the head, shots to the back of the head, buckle bombs and blind moves backwards into the turnbuckle, fencing responses (unnatural position of arms following a concussion), seizure sells, spitting, bleeding in the crowd, weapons or projectiles in the crowd, taking drinks or food from guests in the crowd, or physical contact with the crowd. We’re told that nothing with blood on it should be thrown into the crowd.
What's still allowed but has to be approved through the proper channels (coaches, producers, medical staff, etc)...
Below is a list verbatim from the document of moves that need to be approved by a coach:
"


Spots and bumps on the ring apron and outside
Table/ladder/chair spots in and out of the ring (Only allowed with padding)
Any elevated spots outside of the barricades (dives and ladder spots on stage, around the arena, and other places outside of the ring)
All piledriver/tombstone variations, including: sit down drivers, inverted/poison hurricarana and vertebreakers
High-risk dives or top rope moves (450, 630, double moonsaults, SSP, etc.)
Intentional bleeding (of any sort, not just blading)
Throwing people into/through/over ring steps, commentary table, bell table, or guardrails/barricades Weapon usage:
Chairs, pipes, kendo sticks, hammers, ring bells, bats, chains, etc. Title belts
Thumbtacks, skewers, barbed wire, and other sharp/puncturing objects o Powders, aerosol sprays, or liquids
Throwing any weapons or objects- chairs, etc.
Choking/strangling with hands or a weapon or hanging spots
Injury spots or angles, whether or not medical is involved/called to the ring
Any physicality in the crowd or crowd brawling
Any physicality involving referees, managers, extras, celebrities, or special guests"

[drave]

inb4 RIP MOXLEY :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: r ofl:rofl::rofl:1

[Vastardikai]

"Taking drinks or food from guests in the crowd."

The MJF rule.

[Vastardikai]

Also, if the coach says no and the talent does it anyway, because they don't listen to the coaches, who gets in trouble?

[xrodmuc316]

Holy shit man, the coaches are going to have to approve like 300 spots per show lol

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Holy shit man, the coaches are going to have to approve like 300 spots per show lol

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Sepholio]

I wonder how long until Blue Kane is All Elite, BAY BAY

[Sepholio]

Wait...you can get guns in the new stadium battle mode fight forever is adding? Lmao ok ill allow it.

[Evil Vito]

I love Bryan as much as the next but he’s done the whole fake seizure spot repeatedly since he got cleared to return in 2018. It makes me cringe every time and not in the way that makes me think he actually got hurt. Glad they can do away with that.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Yeah I think those rules will help. It'll make the production less indyrific.

[Sepholio]

I'm actually interested to see how Mox changes with these rules. Didn't he basically leave WWE because of very similar rules and not being allowed to do all this crazy violent shit he likes to do? And now AEW is gonna have the same rules. If they box him in he might end up going right back to WWE when his contracts up. I imagine they'll throw a bag at him for another shield reunion.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

IMO he's going to get approved whenever he asks to do shit (or at least a lot of the time). He's Tony's guy.

[Sepholio]

I'm sure that's the case too. I have a feeling these rules were put out for the public to try and shut up people who talk about AEW not being safe. They won't actually be applied imo. It will be business as usual and they'll just claim they approved any spot if they get questioned about it.

[XL]

I mean there’s grounds to say it should be dealt with on a car-by-case basis. Mox wants to glue a glass bottle to his head and headbutt the apron. Fine. Dante Martin wants to take a big bump off a ladder. Not fine.

[Mr. JL]

That or the lawsuits are starting to pile up... fans being spit on, blood flying onto fans

[rez]

Pussies. They should have fans in certain sections sign waivers ;)

[Mr. Nerfect]

I heard a version of the new rules and thought “This is WDB fucking AEW on their way out.” Just because I didn’t hear the “approved by a coach” thing. It all makes sense. It’s embarrassing for them it got to a point that they’re making it a document, because you’d think this sense would be “common.” But approval by a coach means that Blood & Guts can have blood because…as advertised.

It’s just what they should have done from the start. Only Sting and Chris Jericho get to use the bat. Which no one else was doing, but sure.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It’s a bit of a non-story actually. The only part that actually affects the talent is stuff like unnecessary risks, flips, weapon spots in underneath matches, bumps on the apron, etc.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It sounds haphazardly written. I haven’t read through it, but heard it recounted. Do they really forbid chair shots to the head (which isn’t en vogue anyway) then later ban unapproved chairs? Why not just require chairs be approved, then the first point becomes redundant because they could just not approve it?

[Mr. Nerfect]

And I heard something about hospitalization angles. Okay…but isn’t that your call? It’s not like Bear Boulder is out there taking piledrivers and forcing a stretcher out. Like wtf?

[rez]

Give them a break. They're still figuring out how to play American Football.

[Sting Fan]

It's just a new company finding these things as they go. Like any other company in the world top people get leeway and the rules are suited to the biases or experiences of the moment or those setting the rules.

I would imagine if anyone top of card wants to do almost anything they can same way CEOs fly business class while staff fly economy.

Glad to see the Daniel Bryan spot gone though.

[Mr. Nerfect]

AEW has been around for almost 5 years.

[drave]

It sounds haphazardly written. I haven’t read through it, but heard it recounted. Do they really forbid chair shots to the head (which isn’t en vogue anyway) then later ban unapproved chairs? Why not just require chairs be approved, then the first point becomes redundant because they could just not approve it?




Tremendous.

[xrodmuc316]

My favorite part of the rules is they cannot use a table unless it is padded. A padded table sounds amazing!

[Black Widow]

AEW is horrible besides MJF,Jericho,Wardlow,Sting and a few of their hot women

[Mr. Nerfect]

Tremendous.

?

It was covered on a podcast I was listening to. What’s wrong with that?

[xrodmuc316]

At least he is not a total weirdo outside of wrestling...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This response from TK about Saudi interest in Fulham personnel went from 0-100 *real* quick ��<br><br>(H/T <a href="https://twitter.com/Barnettski?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Barnettski</a> for finding)<a href="https://t.co/yfqNjS6GPz">pic.twitter.com/yfqNjS6GPz</a></p>&mdash; Fulhamish (@FulhamishPod) <a href="https://twitter.com/FulhamishPod/status/1681568598169378817?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 19, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[xrodmuc316]

LET ME TALK TO YA!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">You cannot deny LA Knight <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/YEAHMovement?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#YEAHMovement</a> ������ <a href="https://t.co/FvCxpezjex">pic.twitter.com/FvCxpezjex</a></p>&mdash; Wrestle Ops (@WrestleOps) <a href="https://twitter.com/WrestleOps/status/1682057591289946112?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 20, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

YEAH!

[GD]

I was thoroughly disappointed in the Blood and Guts match. I'm genuinely over Mox's blood lust and usage of dumb props. It makes the whole concept come across as second rate. Not to mention the bed of nails was probably one of the dumbest ideas in recent times.

As someone who admires Kota Ibushi a lot, I was also underwhelmed by how off he was. I understand that he hasn't wrestled in a while and has nagging injuries but he looked incredibly drunk in the way he carried himself in the ring. It was just sad.

[XL]

Honest take or “faux Noid-style take”?

[GD]

Can someone explain why the whole MJF-Cole storyline is remotely interesting? Haven't they run the well dry with this nonsense already? Jesus Christ, some of the fans are so gullible.

[xrodmuc316]

Can someone explain why the whole MJF-Cole storyline is remotely interesting? Haven't they run the well dry with this nonsense already? Jesus Christ, some of the fans are so gullible.

Because ADAM COLE BAYBAY!

[xrodmuc316]

Can someone explain why the whole MJF-Cole storyline is remotely interesting? Haven't they run the well dry with this nonsense already? Jesus Christ, some of the fans are so gullible.

Seriously though, it wasnt good with Sammy like a month ago, but with Adam Cole it is better, because Adam Cole is better than Sammy.

[GD]

Wrestling fans are retarde*

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The MJF &amp; Adam Cole T-shirt “Better than You Bay Bay” in the last few weeks since the release has sold more numbers of shirts than any AEW shirt has for all of 2023.<br><br>- WON <a href="https://t.co/WkZ5dDtaaW">pic.twitter.com/WkZ5dDtaaW</a></p>&mdash; WrestlePurists (@WrestlePurists) <a href="https://twitter.com/WrestlePurists/status/1682353727779348481?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 21, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[XL]

It’s certainly no Y2AJ shirt.

[GD]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Katsuyori Shibata to Tony Khan via translation: &quot;Thank you Tony for reviving me as a wrestler. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.&quot;<br><br>Absolutely fucking lovely stuff. <a href="https://t.co/XevNTeOIXb">pic.twitter.com/XevNTeOIXb</a></p>&mdash; Drainmaker ��️ �� (@DrainBamager) <a href="https://twitter.com/DrainBamager/status/1682601771276046337?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 22, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[xrodmuc316]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Katsuyori Shibata to Tony Khan via translation: &quot;Thank you Tony for reviving me as a wrestler. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.&quot;<br><br>Absolutely fucking lovely stuff. <a href="https://t.co/XevNTeOIXb">pic.twitter.com/XevNTeOIXb</a></p>&mdash; Drainmaker ��️ �� (@DrainBamager) <a href="https://twitter.com/DrainBamager/status/1682601771276046337?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 22, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Kisses the Money Mark's ass so he can get some of that Shad Khan money.
Tiny really just giving away his daddy's money because of a translator app. Fucking lovely :rofl:

[weather vane]

It’s certainly no Y2AJ shirt.

Y2Ant

[weather vane]

Y2Ant

Y2C

[Mr. Nerfect]

At least he is not a total weirdo outside of wrestling...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This response from TK about Saudi interest in Fulham personnel went from 0-100 *real* quick ��<br><br>(H/T <a href="https://twitter.com/Barnettski?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Barnettski</a> for finding)<a href="https://t.co/yfqNjS6GPz">pic.twitter.com/yfqNjS6GPz</a></p>&mdash; Fulhamish (@FulhamishPod) <a href="https://twitter.com/FulhamishPod/status/1681568598169378817?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 19, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He looks unhinged.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I hope Shibata doesn’t die.

[GD]

AEW fans are definitely... :roll:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It’s HERE!!!!!!! <a href="https://t.co/zACgEjCLFM">https://t.co/zACgEjCLFM</a> <a href="https://t.co/BzjnJDWOQV">pic.twitter.com/BzjnJDWOQV</a></p>&mdash; Maxwell Jacob Friedman™️ (@The_MJF) <a href="https://twitter.com/The_MJF/status/1682839899030822912?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 22, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[xrodmuc316]

According to Fightful Select, AEW has hired Orange Cassidy to be an agent/coach.

No more will we see a bunch of wrestlers putting their hands in their pockets at the wrong times during their matches! :rofl:

[GD]

According to Fightful Select, AEW has hired Orange Cassidy to be an agent/coach.

No more will we see a bunch of wrestlers putting their hands in their pockets at the wrong times during their matches! :rofl:

I'm curious to read Noid's reaction to this.

[Sepholio]

Isn't your gimmick rn pretty much pretending to be Noid? Just do that. You'll most likely be pretty accurate.

[GD]

Isn't your gimmick rn pretty much pretending to be Noid? Just do that. You'll most likely be pretty accurate.

No. I just give my opinions based on results from SquaredCircle and YouTube clips.

[xrodmuc316]

My gimmick is I base judgement on a wrestler's bad assery on their character portrayal, unless there happens to be video evidence of the guy being so inept that he could not even defend himself from getting tickled, then I have a hard time believing he is a bad ass and the best at fighting. SILLY!

[drave]

Soooooo, most of today's wrasslers.

[xrodmuc316]

Soooooo, most of today's wrasslers.

Naw, ive only ever seen one get tickled by another man against his will and then still get booked like a world beater because :roll:

[Vastardikai]

According to Fightful Select, AEW has hired Orange Cassidy to be an agent/coach.

No more will we see a bunch of wrestlers putting their hands in their pockets at the wrong times during their matches! :rofl:

All of the more ridiculous moves are supposed to be approved by a coach. So, they run to Fire Ant, who will rubber stamp whatever stupid shit they want to do.

I bet the Billy Gunn shoot promo will be fun.

[drave]

Naw, ive only ever seen one get tickled by another man against his will and then still get booked like a world beater because :roll:


:|:|:|:|:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::|:rofl:

[Mr. Nerfect]

I’m sure Kenny Omega has worked a match that featured tickling in Japan.

[Mr. Nerfect]

AEW makes Orange Cassidy an agent, turns back Bret as one. Classic AEW.

[xrodmuc316]

I’m sure Kenny Omega has worked a match that featured tickling in Japan.

lol true!

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

AEW makes Orange Cassidy an agent, turns back Bret as one. Classic AEW.

Even funnier was that they wanted him to be a manager like Arn, Tully, and Jake...cuz any of those examples worked out so well.

I love Bret but he is AWFUL on camera nowadays. And part of that is because he obviously doesn't want to be on camera unless he can wrestle. He'd serve far better as a road agent or coach.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

anyways, just posting this because I know a few people here will have temper tantrums about it:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AEW needs just over 10,000 tickets sold to break the record for highest paid attendance in pro wrestling history. Incredible. <a href="https://t.co/6V59U2TQ45">pic.twitter.com/6V59U2TQ45</a></p>&mdash; Wrestling News (@WrestlingNewsCo) <a href="https://twitter.com/WrestlingNewsCo/status/1683570794016788480?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 24, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[xrodmuc316]

Didn't Wrestlemania 39 just sell like 135,000 tickets?

“The gate was $21.6 million, which would be $10.8 million per night, up from $8.5 million per night last year. The single event record remains $17.3 million at AT&T Stadium in 2016.” - Dave Meltzer, who surely would estimate down for WWE before estimating up.

I wouldn't say that pointing out a spinjob is the same thing as throwing a tantrum, but I know a few people hate anything but fresh roses for AEW, be so be it.

[GD]

I hope they step up their graphics and set design output. They're both incredibly busy.

[Mr. Nerfect]

anyways, just posting this because I know a few people here will have temper tantrums about it:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AEW needs just over 10,000 tickets sold to break the record for highest paid attendance in pro wrestling history. Incredible. <a href="https://t.co/6V59U2TQ45">pic.twitter.com/6V59U2TQ45</a></p>&mdash; Wrestling News (@WrestlingNewsCo) <a href="https://twitter.com/WrestlingNewsCo/status/1683570794016788480?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 24, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Never mind the goal of wrestling and which venues were targeted, unless your argument is that wrestling is more popular than ever, or even just that AEW is more popular than WWE now, you know this sort of trivia is just mental gymnastics.

It’s like Dave Meltzer’s old talking point of AEW doing better on PPV than anyone since WCW. It was only true if you compared AEW’s international buys across all media platforms against ECW’s US terrestrial PPV buys.

Call this a tantrum all you want.

[XL]

Didn't Wrestlemania 39 just sell like 135,000 tickets?

- Dave Meltzer, who surely would estimate down for WWE before estimating up.

I wouldn't say that pointing out a spinjob is the same thing as throwing a tantrum, but I know a few people hate anything but fresh roses for AEW, be so be it.

Not sure what you’re trying to say here. You’ve mentioned 135,000 tickets then quoted stuff about the gate. Aren’t the figures for WM39 combined for both nights?

Please clarify.

[xrodmuc316]

Not sure what you’re trying to say here. You’ve mentioned 135,000 tickets then quoted stuff about the gate. Aren’t the figures for WM39 combined for both nights?

Please clarify.

The line from the Tweet "the highest paid attendance".

1. The highest paid attendance implies money, not number of tickets.
2. Wrestlemania 32 made $17.6 million
3. Nowhere do they make the claim that the same event has to be a single day.
4. Wrestlemania 39 sold an average of 67,500 on consecutive days.
5. Wrestlemania 39 made an average of $10.8 million on consecutive days.

Skewing and framing numbers to focus on a limited interpretation in order to self celebrate is always going to come off lame to me, not "incredible".

[xrodmuc316]

Never mind the goal of wrestling and which venues were targeted, unless your argument is that wrestling is more popular than ever, or even just that AEW is more popular than WWE now, you know this sort of trivia is just mental gymnastics.

It’s like Dave Meltzer’s old talking point of AEW doing better on PPV than anyone since WCW. It was only true if you compared AEW’s international buys across all media platforms against ECW’s US terrestrial PPV buys.

Call this a tantrum all you want.

I always liked that brag!

"This is the highest non WWE wrestling PPV since WCW!"

NO SHIT. :rofl:

[#1-norm-fan]

The line from the Tweet "the highest paid attendance".

1. The highest paid attendance implies money, not number of tickets.

Oof

[Sepholio]

Yeah, that's a wrong take. Highest paid attendance clearly refers to the most tickets paid for for a single event. Highest grossing would be the most money, right?

[XL]

Yep.

[XL]

The line from the Tweet "the highest paid attendance".

1. The highest paid attendance implies money, not number of tickets.
2. Wrestlemania 32 made $17.6 million
3. Nowhere do they make the claim that the same event has to be a single day.
4. Wrestlemania 39 sold an average of 67,500 on consecutive days.
5. Wrestlemania 39 made an average of $10.8 million on consecutive days.

Skewing and framing numbers to focus on a limited interpretation in order to self celebrate is always going to come off lame to me, not "incredible".

1. Doesn’t imply that at all. See what Seph said.
2. They haven’t claimed highest gross
3. Surely it’s implicit? Why woud you compare a multi-day event to a single event? AEW could just run a week long festival with shows on each night and add all the attendances together. This shouldn’t need clearing up.
4. Well this seems completely irrelevant as it’s not even the Mania that sold the most tickets for a single show. But this goes back to your misunderstanding. See point 1.
5. Again, irrelevant to the claim.

Gonna give the benefit of the doubt that you’ve just misunderstood what the terms mean rather than another example of you tripping over yourself to be negative about AEW.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Enjoy that Cumdorx was so easily triggered when I basically said, "I'm doing this to trigger Cumdorx."

[xrodmuc316]

I love how you can just share a stupid "fact", and then just say "well I told you that you are just triggered." What exactly do you think the point of a discussion board is anyways? Post something on a discussion board, but then you don't want anybody to discuss it? My fault, clearly misunderstood the purpose of this place :roll:

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Hmm you seem pretty triggered cummy.

[xrodmuc316]

Durp

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This shit is literally melting people's brains. A 4yr old startup that nobody thought would last 6 months is about to shatter all of wwe's attendance records on Aug 27th. What a time to be alive. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/aew?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#aew</a> <a href="https://t.co/Q3oQgBxEw2">pic.twitter.com/Q3oQgBxEw2</a></p>&mdash; BIGLAZ (@TeamKaos1998) <a href="https://twitter.com/TeamKaos1998/status/1685080423301341185?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 29, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Cummy in shambles.

[xrodmuc316]

https://media.tenor.com/uCL5KDJ9QmEAAAAd/clash-royale-night-witch.gif

[Mr. Nerfect]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This shit is literally melting people's brains. A 4yr old startup that nobody thought would last 6 months is about to shatter all of wwe's attendance records on Aug 27th. What a time to be alive. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/aew?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#aew</a> <a href="https://t.co/Q3oQgBxEw2">pic.twitter.com/Q3oQgBxEw2</a></p>&mdash; BIGLAZ (@TeamKaos1998) <a href="https://twitter.com/TeamKaos1998/status/1685080423301341185?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 29, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This shit is wicked annoying though. We’ll really still leaning on them being a new company? You look at that poster and see a bunch of names in wrestling that have been around for basically the entire 21st century. Also, “nobody” thought they would make it 6 months? You had them claiming they would “change the world.” Dave Meltzer has always championed them as the “winners,” whatever happens. Fanboys talking about how they’re going to kick WWE’s ass. Hell, most critics have said that the Khans have enough money to keep even a disaster running for as long as they want. A very liberal use of the word “shattered” too.

It’s this whole changing of history. As I said earlier, unless your claim is that the business is healthier — or that AEW could possibly challenge WWE head-to-head — then this “achievement” is basically trivia. I put achievement in quotation marks because everyone knows they struck a starved market with a stunt show. It’s sold largely because it’s wrestling in Wembley Stadium. Does anyone doubt that WWF or WCW could have hit something there that did better? Of course not. But wrestling is so hollow right now that doing this to basically put spin on how effective your company isn’t becomes a prerogative and everyone loses their minds exaggerating its significance.

[Mr. Nerfect]

There’s something to be said for wanting to turn people away at the door, so you can hit markets again and again, reliably. Being an actual ongoing hot ticket. There have been cases, historically, where running a stadium to prove you can has been called out as a weird business decision (Rumble ‘97 comes to mind). And what do you think those Collision in Korea shows were?

Also, lol at “New Japan shows in North Korea.”