All Elite Wrestling

[slik]

Meltzer shared a story from his trip to the mail with his wife this past weekend on observer podcast. He stopped by the Hot Topic store and asked to speak with the manager. The manager was a real nice guy he said, reminded him of Darby Allin and Jeff Hardy. Dave inquired about how sales of the Young Bucks and other wrestlers shirts were doing and he said the manager told him they were selling 'great, really great' and that the manager even joked with him about what size he would wear and told him he could sell him one at a discount if he'd like. Meltzer said he didn't end up buying a shirt but he expected the shirts are huge sellers at Hot Topics across the U.S. based on his conversation with the manager of his local Hot Topic.

[drave]

Is that the stupid shit people pay him to tell?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Meltzer shared a story from his trip to the mail with his wife this past weekend on observer podcast. He stopped by the Hot Topic store and asked to speak with the manager. The manager was a real nice guy he said, reminded him of Darby Allin and Jeff Hardy. Dave inquired about how sales of the Young Bucks and other wrestlers shirts were doing and he said the manager told him they were selling 'great, really great' and that the manager even joked with him about what size he would wear and told him he could sell him one at a discount if he'd like. Meltzer said he didn't end up buying a shirt but he expected the shirts are huge sellers at Hot Topics across the U.S. based on his conversation with the manager of his local Hot Topic.

:rofl:

[Mr. Nerfect]

So is Meltzer insane or just a spin artist?

[drave]

Sounds like he asked another human a question, then stated the answer that person gave him.


That's what that says up there.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol, we don’t have Hot Topic over here. I always forget that it’s kind of a meme these days itself.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Sounds like he asked another human a question, then stated the answer that person gave him.


That's what that says up there.

And extrapolated it to be data for North America? With the clerk answering in Dave’s voice? After just happening to remind him of Dave’s idea of cool wrestlers?

[xrodmuc316]

Bros...

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[screech]

lol meltzer what are you doing, guy?

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

HAHAHAAHA

[drave]

And extrapolated it to be data for North America? With the clerk answering in Dave’s voice? After just happening to remind him of Dave’s idea of cool wrestlers?


Yes to the first sentence. He's a sensationalist and always has been. Not defending him in any capacity, but you should be aware of this by now. Seriously, if this is the kinda content that people pay him for, then lofuckingl. It's dumb.



Everything else after the 1st sentence is something you did yourself.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yes to the first sentence. He's a sensationalist and always has been. Not defending him in any capacity, but you should be aware of this by now. Seriously, if this is the kinda content that people pay him for, then lofuckingl. It's dumb.



Everything else after the 1st sentence is something you did yourself.

Lol, no one is saying it’s new. But it could be new to someone. The guy doesn’t deserve a pass just because he’s consistently been this misleading.

[ron the dial]

good thing you're here to hold him accountable!

[drave]

What would the world do without Noid NoidBlocking Dave Meltzer, the most prestigious journo to ever exist ever.

[Mr. Nerfect]

good thing you're here to hold him accountable!

Yeah, it is good people call out bullshit. It can help some people stop taking this shit as granted fact (which plenty do).

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol, Meltzer’s spin is that AEW didn’t go after Gargano.

[Mr. Nerfect]

So All Out looks like the drizzling shits:


* The Trios Titles are a bad idea. Just like the rankings. Just like the Women’s Tag Titles in WWE. Just like the CW Title. As an annual tournament? Fine. The timing is wrong and the belts are going to be an anchor and distraction more than anything. It’s been terribly booked. Looks like the finals might be The Elite vs. The Best Friends or The Dark Order. Bad shit that few people care about.

* Wardlow & FTR vs. Jay Lethal, Sonjay Dutt & Satnam Singh is not a great use of…anybody really. Wardlow has been booked so badly. FTR have been booked so badly. Jay Lethal has been booked so badly. Is this Sonjay’s first AEW match? And Singh makes Omos look polished. Terrible.

* Why is there a four-way for a vacant singles title? Let’s jam as many women who can’t really work into a clusterfuck. Hey, at least it keeps in line with their women being afterthoughts.

* There’s going to be a Casino Ladder Match! Yay! We haven’t seen guys jump around doing stunts before. The most interesting thing, sadly, is going to be if someone gets hurt. Lazy booking to jam a bunch of guys you haven’t booked into meaningful matches on the card.

* Bryan Danielson vs. Chris Jericho would have been a match that featured 2 great workers…10 years ago. Danielson is 40 and Jericho is 50. And Jericho sucks now. Danielson could carry this. Disappointing how he’s been used in his 1st year in AEW. It might be as disappointing as his first 6 months back in WWE in 2018.

* Swerve in Our Glory? What kind of a shit name is that? Keith Lee fucking sucks. He’s a tag champ because TK signed absolutely everybody under the sun and made bullshit promises to them. Can’t let them fall into obscurity because THEY FUCKING SUCK! Swerve & Lee are token black champs for Khan. The Acclaimed are…whatever. There were good mumblings about their work with The Gunn Club which isn’t getting its due here. Just thrown onto the card to have two black teams go against each orher, I guess. Can anyone say that tag teams truly matter in this company? Of course not.

* Christian Cage’s heel turn started off as something fresh. It very quickly devolved into knockoff MJF territory. Luchasaurus looked fine as a heel, but they already fucked that up. Fuck this fucking company, man. Hopefully the match is good. Jungle Boy has less potential now than he did 3 years ago. Christian should have gone to WWE.

* Will Hobbs and Ricky Starks…why is this feud even happening? These two could be a top team in the promotion. They’ve both got potential. Surprised they made the card since they don’t usually get much of a chance. I don’t know why Starks is also feuding with The JOB Squad. Fuck this company, man.

[XL]

Lethal is teaming with MCMG.

I know the make up of the team isn’t the issue there.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lethal is teaming with MCMG.

I know the make up of the team isn’t the issue there.

My mistake. I care so little about what they’ve done I just assumed it was all Lethal’s group. In a way this makes it even worse. They don’t even make sense as a faction.

[#1-norm-fan]

I care so little about what they’ve done...

https://www.icegif.com/wp-content/uploads/nervous-icegif-2.gif

[Vastardikai]

So let me guess, Britt showed Tony her bra strap* so he's gonna give her the Women's Title back?

*the bra strap wasn't from the bra she was wearing. Nor was it attached to a bra. Nor was it even from her bra. It may not have even been from a bra. The fact is, Tony is a simp.

[drave]

My mistake. I care so little about what they’ve done I just assumed it was all Lethal’s group. In a way this makes it even worse. They don’t even make sense as a faction.


You care.

[Mr. Nerfect]

You care.

Sorry, let me rephrase: I don’t care in the way they want me to. I want nice things.

[ron the dial]

want in one hand shit in the other good luck brother

[Mr. Nerfect]

Darby Allin crashed his jeep into a trailer that was stationed on his property. On purpose.

[slik]

Meltzer shared a story from his trip to the mail with his wife this past weekend on observer podcast. He stopped by the Hot Topic store and asked to speak with the manager. The manager was a real nice guy he said, reminded him of Darby Allin and Jeff Hardy. Dave inquired about how sales of the Young Bucks and other wrestlers shirts were doing and he said the manager told him they were selling 'great, really great' and that the manager even joked with him about what size he would wear and told him he could sell him one at a discount if he'd like. Meltzer said he didn't end up buying a shirt but he expected the shirts are huge sellers at Hot Topics across the U.S. based on his conversation with the manager of his local Hot Topic.

Meltzer updated on this -- he said he has to go out of town for a short trip this weekend but he might try to stop by the local mall of where he'll be at and ask the manager of the Hot Topic how AEW shirts are selling if he gets a chance

[ron the dial]

oh that rascal meltzer

[Mr. Nerfect]

I’m sure they’re selling like Nokias.

[Verbose Minch]

Noid being mentally broken by an anecdotal story about t shirt sales. Incredible

[Mr. Nerfect]

Noid being mentally broken by an anecdotal story about t shirt sales. Incredible

Don’t pull your back out stretching to fit in with the cool kids there.

[Mr. Nerfect]

All the defensiveness means it’s time for your reminder that AEW sucks sweaty donkey balls. Y’all love the taste of sweaty donkey balls.

[ron the dial]

don't kink shame

[#1-norm-fan]

As long as we all agree who the cool kids are...

[Mr. Nerfect]

don't kink shame

The donkey cannot consent, you monster.

[ron the dial]

i've got a smart ass

[Mr. Nerfect]

Everyone thinks their ass is smart.

[Verbose Minch]

Don’t pull your back out stretching to fit in with the cool kids there.

Folks, you heard if from the man himself. AEW fans are officially the cool kids. (Probably why their Tshirts are selling out nationwide)

[Mr. Nerfect]

Folks, you heard if from the man himself. AEW fans are officially the cool kids. (Probably why their Tshirts are selling out nationwide)

I wasn’t being serious, but thanks for voting me the authority. I shall use that authority to remind you that AEW sucks.

Selling out for AEW means they sold 6 shirts.

[xrodmuc316]

Meltzer updated on this -- he said he has to go out of town for a short trip this weekend but he might try to stop by the local mall of where he'll be at and ask the manager of the Hot Topic how AEW shirts are selling if he gets a chance

Why would a local mall manager divulge confidential finances of a private company with a 62 year old ugly dude that comes in the store talking with his fucking tongue sticking out of his mouth wagging around?

That is some FAN logic

[#1-norm-fan]

Tip of the day: Turning to trolling after you’ve been outed as a moron past the point of defense in order to pretend it was all just a game is not sly and does not make you seem smarter.

[#1-norm-fan]

Cumdorx trying to respond without proving my assessment right while also pretending he can’t read my post…

https://c.tenor.com/me1Yk0jRlHoAAAAC/huh-confused.gif

[Mr. Nerfect]

Why would a local mall manager divulge confidential finances of a private company with a 62 year old ugly dude that comes in the store talking with his fucking tongue sticking out of his mouth wagging around?

That is some FAN logic

You’d tell that old fuck what he wants to hear so he’d leave you alone.

[slik]

Why would a local mall manager divulge confidential finances of a private company with a 62 year old ugly dude that comes in the store talking with his fucking tongue sticking out of his mouth wagging around?

That is some FAN logic

He probably shows them his press pass or something

[Mr. Nerfect]

I’m sure that’s how all the sickos get what they want from Hot Topic.

[XL]

Loving the idea of Dave working his way around every Hot Topic in America on a one-man mission to collect sales data for AEW shirts.

[screech]

He'd probably get people to pay to watch that as a web series

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Confidential finances Lmaooooo dude just asked if the shirts are selling well. He’s not giving away sales figures and quarterly reports lol

[Mr. Nerfect]

Loving the idea of Dave working his way around every Hot Topic in America on a one-man mission to collect sales data for AEW shirts.

He just does one and then makes up the rest. Each episode is a different concept.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Dave talks to one woman about blood in wrestling, reaches a conclusion. He talks to one teenage kid about what wrestling they like, there’s his data.

[Fignuts]

They had game play demo of Fight Forever at gamescom, and credit where it's due, it looks genuinely reminiscent of the old n64 games. Much more than any other titles that made the same claim. Of course looking reminiscent and feeling reminiscent are two different things, so we'll have to wait and see.

But I'm a little more optimistic than I was before.

[Mr. Nerfect]

So much of the magic of WWF No Mercy was in the time. Wrestling was hot and people cared enough to play with you. It was also fitting for the N64 platform at the time. I get people want to go back, but trying to make a game that looks like that and mimics what would now be seen as limitations is not necessarily a good move. You take what works and move it forward appropriately.

Maybe this grossly over-budget game that has seen the lead developer jump ship is that? It does LOOK like a bare-bones, less colorful No Mercy. But it’s got a LONG way to go to capture the charm. And stupid mini-games aren’t going to do it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I understand the optimism. Hope in one hand…

[Fignuts]

Well I'm just talking about the game play which is timeless really. People still enjoy playing those games today after all. Advancing the formula to modern times would involve the rest of the feature set, and it remains to be seen if it does that.

[Destor]

No Mercy plays great to this day. Its fluid and responsive. Its easy to pick up and play. With a roster update wwe could release "wwf no mercy 2022" tomorrow and it would work. AEWs game look solid in presentation but im need to feel it. Like any fighting game it has to feel the way you intuitively expect it to. Cant judge that with my eyes.

[Jordan]

Wrestling games don't really make sense and can't be accurate because wrestling isn't real so therefore to do it accurately is basically like playing "Broadway the video game".

[drave]

You've not played the N64 games, I see.

[Fignuts]

Wrestling games don't really make sense and can't be accurate because wrestling isn't real so therefore to do it accurately is basically like playing "Broadway the video game".

You might be overthinking it a bit.

[Destor]

Wrestling gamed shouldnt be trying to be accurate. They should be arcade fighting games. The sim approach from the modern 2k games are awful because theyre sim and not arcade.

[drave]

DIG-DIG-DIGGITY


DIG-DIGGITY-DAWG






SOCKO!

[Mr. Nerfect]

Nobody:

William Regal: I don’t care if AEW fires me. Please fire me.

[#1-norm-fan]

I played one of the newer WWE games a bit a couple years ago and there was a “GM mode” that seemed to try to mix EWR-style stuff in while also making the events unscripted. It was a mess. Couldn’t get into it.

[rez]

They had game play demo of Fight Forever at gamescom, and credit where it's due, it looks genuinely reminiscent of the old n64 games. Much more than any other titles that made the same claim. Of course looking reminiscent and feeling reminiscent are two different things, so we'll have to wait and see.

But I'm a little more optimistic than I was before.

https://www.ign.com/videos/aew-fight-forever-reviving-the-no-mercy-era-gamescom-2022

[slik]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

It seems to be a common sentiment that AEW “used to be better.” I dunno — I thought it was always the shits. Orange Cassidy and goofy segments like magic cameras catching MJF hiring hitmen were barriers of entry for me.

A lot of the guys who were there at the beginning are either still in the same spot or in worse spots. The Acclaimed might be getting a title shot at the PPV, but who cares? AEW is not the place to develop.

[Evil Vito]

I think those comments on the segments are fair criticism. I also think in some ways it might be a function of them having more time than talent for a couple of years and now it feels like the opposite is true.

AEW were great at rotating talent in and out in the early days. You'd rarely ever see someone wrestle two Dynamites in a row, but with the size of the roster they were able to give pretty much everyone some shine in the 2 weeks. Now their roster has gotten to the point where they've clearly identified a handful of talents they want to feature every week, but the roster is so big now everyone else on the rotation is lucky to wrestle on TV once a month, if that.

Some of their pre-tapes are cool and all of that, guys like Miro, House of Black, Andrade etc have all done good work with that. But it does get to the point where it feels like just stalling for time before they get them back in a match.

6 hours of TV across 2 weeks should still be plenty of time to get everyone important a match.

[XL]

Some guys don’t need the ring time. For me as long as there is some sort of feature for the talent between a match, in-ring segment, backstage interview, vignette, recap then you’re good to go. The issue is they’ve so many talents and so much to fit in it’s too much per episode and I forget what’s happened. It’s a very, very delicate balance.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Some guys don’t need the ring time. For me as long as there is some sort of feature for the talent between a match, in-ring segment, backstage interview, vignette, recap then you’re good to go. The issue is they’ve so many talents and so much to fit in it’s too much per episode and I forget what’s happened. It’s a very, very delicate balance.

This is a similar problem to the 3hr Raw. By the time you’ve gotten to a certain marker you’ve forgotten what has happened before, which buries it. Emphasis is so important. You can’t emphasize everything, and AEW has so much stuff that needs emphasis that cannot get it.

And while you’re right about not everyone needing ring time, from the talent’s perspective they might not be getting enough, which is going to cause problems when deals come up, etc.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don’t think it was posted here, but FTR are apparently not in the AEW video game. Former Tag Champs and guys currently with three different sets of belts — can’t get in. There’s continued scuttlebutt that the roster is not going to be very comprehensive.

The video game usually comes with some big licensing fees, so FTR are not happy about not being included in/being dropped from the game.

[drave]

The other place has the same problem with their roster by the time their games are available for purchase. This is not a new, nor unique problem to AEW.

[Evil Vito]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">FTR Is Not Upset And Does Not Blame Anyone For Being Pulled From AEW Fight Forever <a href="https://t.co/Ql2zR8kYxp">https://t.co/Ql2zR8kYxp</a></p>&mdash; Fightful Wrestling (@Fightful) <a href="https://twitter.com/Fightful/status/1564295830655614977?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 29, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

FTR aRe UpSeT

[xrodmuc316]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">FTR Is Not Upset And Does Not Blame Anyone For Being Pulled From AEW Fight Forever <a href="https://t.co/Ql2zR8kYxp">https://t.co/Ql2zR8kYxp</a></p>&mdash; Fightful Wrestling (@Fightful) <a href="https://twitter.com/Fightful/status/1564295830655614977?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 29, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

FTR aRe UpSeT

So Cody is still in the game, but not FTR lol. I could create a wrestler in No Mercy in about 5 minutes, yet they couldn't make generic wrestler bald and generic wrestler hair for the game 20+ years later??? Fucking AEW man :rofl:

[xrodmuc316]

Xavier Woods tweeting smack to ̶K̶e̶n̶n̶y̶ ̶O̶m̶e̶g̶a̶ ̶ FTR Hair and Bald...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Earned? Besides EARNING my crown I EARNED spots in Gears of War, Bomberman, Brawlhalla, and now Fall Guys. But congrats on being available in the 2K community creations. <a href="https://t.co/oqqBp2R9fE">pic.twitter.com/oqqBp2R9fE</a></p>&mdash; Austin Creed (@AustinCreedWins) <a href="https://twitter.com/AustinCreedWins/status/1553022806765588480?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 29, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Mr. Nerfect]

The other place has the same problem with their roster by the time their games are available for purchase. This is not a new, nor unique problem to AEW.

Who was the most glaring omission from the latest WWE game?


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">FTR Is Not Upset And Does Not Blame Anyone For Being Pulled From AEW Fight Forever <a href="https://t.co/Ql2zR8kYxp">https://t.co/Ql2zR8kYxp</a></p>&mdash; Fightful Wrestling (@Fightful) <a href="https://twitter.com/Fightful/status/1564295830655614977?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 29, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

FTR aRe UpSeT

If I tAlK lIkE tHiS pEoPlE tHiNk I’vE gOt a PoInT.

I don’t believe FTR are happy about missing a giant source of revenue at all. Unless they know the game isn’t going to sell.

[Lock Jaw]

The other place has the same problem with their roster by the time their games are available for purchase. This is not a new, nor unique problem to AEW.

They are generally within under 2 year accuracy, wiki tells me FTR joined AEW in 2020

[XL]

Adadon is in right?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Adadon is in right?

I believe she was confirmed, yes.

Maybe she was confirmed and then cut and was happy about it though.

[XL]

This is a similar problem to the 3hr Raw. By the time you’ve gotten to a certain marker you’ve forgotten what has happened before, which buries it. Emphasis is so important. You can’t emphasize everything, and AEW has so much stuff that needs emphasis that cannot get it.

And while you’re right about not everyone needing ring time, from the talent’s perspective they might not be getting enough, which is going to cause problems when deals come up, etc.

I think it depends heavily on what your strengths are. A guy like Ricochet needs ring time as that’s the thing to get people to hook into him, where as a guy with more personality/ability to cut a promo can get over that way. I guess in AEW there’s more “Ricochets” than not, but when you’re 1 of 50 “Ricochets” I guess it’s a tough spot. Ultimately there’s just far too many guys they’re trying to keep spotlighted, as you say.

[XL]

I believe she was confirmed, yes.

Maybe she was confirmed and then cut and was happy about it though.

Abadon signed in June 2020. FTR debuted May 27th 2020. Seems crazy that Abadon would make the cut and FTR wouldn’t. Unless a) they decided she makes a good character for a video game and/or b) wanted her in to flesh out the womens roster.

FTR seems like a huge omission.

[#1-norm-fan]

FTR are not happy about not being included in/being dropped from the game.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">FTR Is Not Upset And Does Not Blame Anyone For Being Pulled From AEW Fight Forever <a href="https://t.co/Ql2zR8kYxp">https://t.co/Ql2zR8kYxp</a></p>&mdash; Fightful Wrestling (@Fightful) <a href="https://twitter.com/Fightful/status/1564295830655614977?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 29, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

FTR aRe UpSeT

Dude. Noid reported personally that FTR are not happy about this. That trumps whatever source YOU’RE presenting, which appears to be… *reads article*… FTR themselves…

[Vastardikai]

I mean, I wouldn't blame anyone if the person to blame was in the ear of the guy who signs my checks, either.

Now, if Rosa suddenly gets omitted, I am gonna laugh.

[Sting Fan]

In the article FTR are quoted as saying they spoke to Tony and legal and understood once they spoke to them (paraphrasing).

So either theres a copyright issue or they will be DLC, or both would be my guess.

[Destor]

Saw a full match of the game. Looks really cool. Very DoR

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

In the article FTR are quoted as saying they spoke to Tony and legal and understood once they spoke to them (paraphrasing).

So either theres a copyright issue or they will be DLC, or both would be my guess.

Could you imagine if it was just Kenny and the Bucks being spiteful lolol man that would be peak wrestling.

[Sepholio]

They should troll everyone who gets the game a few days early by only having Kenny and the Bucks on the roster. That's the whole game. Until the release day patch enables everyone else. Would be kinda funny.

[Mr. Nerfect]

In the article FTR are quoted as saying they spoke to Tony and legal and understood once they spoke to them (paraphrasing).

So either theres a copyright issue or they will be DLC, or both would be my guess.

Lol, spoke to legal. “Shut the fuck up about this or else.” Anyone who thinks talent is okay being cut out of a source of revenue like that is kidding themselves. We’re not talking about Peter Avalon not making the cut. Or whoever debuts next month. FTR are a glaring omission from the game. What are the chances they are the only ones?

[Mr. Nerfect]

They should troll everyone who gets the game a few days early by only having Kenny and the Bucks on the roster. That's the whole game. Until the release day patch enables everyone else. Would be kinda funny.

Or they can just release the game and everyone can laugh at that.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Which tag teams would take priority over FTR?

[#1-norm-fan]

Lol, spoke to legal. “Shut the fuck up about this or else.”

I certainly hope they don’t get in trouble for giving you the inside scoop that they are NOT HAPPY about this before pretending it’s a non-issue.

[Sting Fan]

Could you imagine if it was just Kenny and the Bucks being spiteful lolol man that would be peak wrestling.

Lol would be good internet fodder thats for sure.

This I wonder how many extra eyeballs this little saga has got on the game from the cranky internet trolls tripping balls about it. Nothing like free publicity.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

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The wheels seem to have fallen off once Punk got hurt. Think the company was having a great run up until then. Forbidden door delivered in ring but was rushed and mostly meaningless. And it’s felt like the company has been directionless since, despite every effort to course correct.

Tony also has the bad habit of waiting to announce ppv matches and they feel rushed instead of being built to.

Hopefully they get their shit together after all out. I don’t know why guys like Hangman, Wardlow, FTR (who should be tag champs), Hook and I’m sure a handful of others aren’t getting more shine. They’re Darby, Miro and House of Black in there too.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol would be good internet fodder thats for sure.

This I wonder how many extra eyeballs this little saga has got on the game from the cranky internet trolls tripping balls about it. Nothing like free publicity.

None.

[Sting Fan]

The wheels seem to have fallen off once Punk got hurt. Think the company was having a great run up until then. Forbidden door delivered in ring but was rushed and mostly meaningless. And it’s felt like the company has been directionless since, despite every effort to course correct.

Tony also has the bad habit of waiting to announce ppv matches and they feel rushed instead of being built to.

Hopefully they get their shit together after all out. I don’t know why guys like Hangman, Wardlow, FTR (who should be tag champs), Hook and I’m sure a handful of others aren’t getting more shine. They’re Darby, Miro and House of Black in there too.

It really has felt chaotic since Punk went down. Like the booking on the fly sort of scenario is really killing the focus across the board if the headline act isnt in order.

Kind of makes sense if TK doesnt have a lot of booking help.

[Vastardikai]

What I see happening, since the beginning of this year, is that the Cucamunga Cliq is gonna run off anyone they view as a threat to them and their vision of what the show should be (PWG with a budget). And Tony, being a grinning idiot, will go along with it.

Cody is gone. Punk (for better or worse) is likely in a competition with Thunder Rosa over who is next out the door. From there, probably FTR. Then, in due time, Andrade, Miro, and even Jericho (again, for better or worse).

[drave]

THey were removed from the roster at release. FTR are the goods and they know it, so they will put them behind DLC for more $$$$.


Just like WWE2k19 when they put KO, Shinsuke, some women and The Fiend behind DLC, despite them being on the initial roster as well.


Nothing new, just three different letters doing the same thing as the others. Cultists tho, amirite

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

What I see happening, since the beginning of this year, is that the Cucamunga Cliq is gonna run off anyone they view as a threat to them and their vision of what the show should be (PWG with a budget). And Tony, being a grinning idiot, will go along with it.

Cody is gone. Punk (for better or worse) is likely in a competition with Thunder Rosa over who is next out the door. From there, probably FTR. Then, in due time, Andrade, Miro, and even Jericho (again, for better or worse).

Tony needs to distance himself from those fucking losers asap.

[Mr. Nerfect]

What I see happening, since the beginning of this year, is that the Cucamunga Cliq is gonna run off anyone they view as a threat to them and their vision of what the show should be (PWG with a budget). And Tony, being a grinning idiot, will go along with it.

Cody is gone. Punk (for better or worse) is likely in a competition with Thunder Rosa over who is next out the door. From there, probably FTR. Then, in due time, Andrade, Miro, and even Jericho (again, for better or worse).

I definitely see that with FTR. I think part of their flippant approach with CM Punk back in 2019 was to ward him off. Omega and The Bucks clearly don’t like the more refined philosophy to compete with. Honestly, it wouldn’t surprise me if Cody didn’t want another top dog to compete with at the time either.

A lot of the other guys seem like their “guys” and the kind of acts that they’d surround themselves with. But I’m probably being pretty naive with those types of egos. It isn’t a coincidence that a guy like Miro isn’t capitalized on.

[#1-norm-fan]

With FTR winning everything BUT the AEW titles, Punk being brought back just to be put back on the shelf and Samoa Joe being brought in and then just kinda disappearing, it SEEMS like Tony is putting a lot into the idea that ROH is gonna get a good deal and be a viable second brand.

Which is a terrible idea even if he does have a plan set for ROH.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol, does All Out have a main event yet? Maybe they are going to not have a World Title match and just do the six-man belts as the main? Or Jericho/Danielson or the Ladder Match? All would be weird choices.

[Evil Vito]

Eddie Kingston vs. Tomohiro Ishii added to the All Out pre-show. Fuck that's gonna rule.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

lol Fuck Tony for putting Eddie on the pre-show. And fuck the Young Bucks in general.

[Fignuts]

Feel like ishii has phoned it in every time hes been in AEW.

[xrodmuc316]

Somehow Tiny has promised tonight will be the most eventful Dynamite EVER! How does he do it every single week, is there no ceiling?!?!? #LETSFUCKINGGOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

[Sepholio]

This is gonna be a historic week for AEW! Can't wait for MJF to be the surprise opponent for Mox!

[Helmsphere]

It's gonna be Triple H. He's gonna come in, challenge Mox for the title and the fate of the company. Match with lots of goofy shit. Triple takes the AEW World Title and company.

[drave]

Unless they come back with something BIGLY YUGE, the ship has sailed on the MJF story.

[Frank Drebin]

I think we find out if AEW is going to officially cross the event horizon into "lol tna" territory.

What am I looking forward to at the ppv at this point? Is there a single story that anyone gives a fuck about? Sure, you might have a couple of good matches but without much behind them its forgotten about as fast as Forbidden Door.

[Lock Jaw]

I remember the time I watched and they DID announce their main event match well in advance of Kenny Omega vs Adam Page..... but then they did very little to actually build to that match while the internet "filled in the heat/story" for themselves and hyped themselves for it, even though the build on TV was lackluster and was more focused on the next challenger for the title and not the current one.

[Frank Drebin]

What's Wardlow up to? Random 6 man tag with jobber stable.

What about Hook? Nowhere to be found.

Darby? Is he even booked?

Jade? No heat match vs Athena

Pac? Random indy defenses of the 33rd title on AEW TV.

FTR? Random 6 man tag.

Andrade? Miro? Black? Punk? MJF? Page? Cole?

I mean my God wtf is going on?

[ron the dial]

hook is feuding with one half of 2.0 lol

[Frank Drebin]

Christ.....I'm going to start drinking and join Tik Toc. That's how I feel about this.

[Frank Drebin]

Ok I do care about Starks and Hobbs but I just know thats going to get botched the way everything else is going.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Starks versus Hobbs and Jungle Boy versus Christian are the best programs going in because they have actual stories behind them they haven’t been drawn out for months on end and they’re helping in getting 3 young guys TV time and getting them over.

The ppv will likely deliver. But the build outside of those two matches has been the shits. The Bucks should’ve held on to the titles and he heading into their rubber match for those titles against FTR.

I’d rather see Swerve and Lee in a singles program against each other since that’s where they liked to be going until a random title win that’s done nothing for them.

Miro v Malakai was tailor made to happen after forbidden door.

It should be Toni Storm v Britt for the title. Hayder doesn’t need to be in the match. She should cost Britt the match on accident and then demolish her to turn face at the end. But that’s another long term story finishing to start a new one with Toni finally winning a big match and beating their top women to do it. She moves on and we’re finally get Hayter v Britt at the next ppv.

Wardlow has no story. The easy path was to build up Ethan Page after his buddy Scorpio was squashed, and keep him involved with Wardlow demanding a title shot and getting it at the ppv. Instead Wardlow has been directionless.

There’s 5 matches with history and easy builds that were passed on but make way more sense.

I can see Punk getting the title back Sunday, and then turning heel the following week. It’s dumb, since there’s no real reason for him to be a heel right now unless they’re bringing MJF back to oppose him, which would generate a massive pop since they’re running the New York are soon and MJF will be cheered as a babyface if or when he’s back.

The casino ladder match has a bunch of mid card guys in there, which I hate because even if they’re just going to be fed to Punk or Moxley, I want to at least believe they’d have a chance. We’ll see who the joker is.

But yeah, this is the most dire run of the company so far. Fly by night booking work very little long term direction.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Ok I do care about Starks and Hobbs but I just know thats going to get botched the way everything else is going.

I’d have Starks win by roll up counter to the spine buster. Have Hobbs immediately attack him after the match and spine buster him through a table or on the steps or a chair. Sell the neck injury. Build up a to a street fight at Grand Slam. Easy. We won’t get this probably but it’s one of the easiest stories Tony has that he can book simply and still get a lot out of it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Feel like ishii has phoned it in every time hes been in AEW.

New Japan knows how to present their guys to cover up weaknesses. They go somewhere else and the “best in the world” look meh.

Unless they come back with something BIGLY YUGE, the ship has sailed on the MJF story.

I don’t get this “drama.” As soon as he shows up it’s just “oh, he’s back.” What is being achieved by keeping him off TV? That’s why I’m pretty sure this isn’t a work. MJF is either sorting out some personal shit or he’s being iced while they argue about his contract. If this is a work, it’s all-time bad.

I remember the time I watched and they DID announce their main event match well in advance of Kenny Omega vs Adam Page..... but then they did very little to actually build to that match while the internet "filled in the heat/story" for themselves and hyped themselves for it, even though the build on TV was lackluster and was more focused on the next challenger for the title and not the current one.

They lean on this a lot.

Ok I do care about Starks and Hobbs but I just know thats going to get botched the way everything else is going.

Starks should be breaking out. He recently spoke out against the drama being distracting bullshit. Steve Austin cutting through HBK and Bret vibes. This company won’t know how to run with him. Too many toes being stepped on.

[Mr. Nerfect]

There are sputterings that Bobby Fish’s contract is not getting renewed.

[xrodmuc316]

There are sputterings that Bobby Fish’s contract is not getting renewed.

That would make total sense to break up Undisputed Elite by beating down the Bucks so Kenny can come back and not renew Fish before they can have a single match, Tony is such a good booker!!! :eek:

[xrodmuc316]

Now reading reports Fish is already a free agent, that his contract expired yesterday.

Is it weird to anybody else Tony signed Fish to a 10-11 month contract but gave Kyle O'Reilly a 5 year deal?

[XL]

The difference between the 2 contracts is strange but Fish was always the bottom of the rung guy in Undisputed Era. Not sure where he even goes.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Now reading reports Fish is already a free agent, that his contract expired yesterday.

Is it weird to anybody else Tony signed Fish to a 10-11 month contract but gave Kyle O'Reilly a 5 year deal?

That does sound weird. Lio Rush had a similar thing before he was “released.” I wonder if there are cycles TK can use as outs or if talent have a certain number of dates?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Fish can find work in Impact Wrestling, New Japan or in NXT as a player/coach. Team him with Bobby Roode and Bobby Lashley as the Ripped Roberts (Daddies). RRD.

[Mr. Nerfect]

There doesn’t seem to be anything confirmed, but the rumors from Fightful and Raj Giri seem to be that Malakai Black has asked for his release.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I can see Buddy Matthews wanting out too. He’s been suspended in AEW, is part of a terrible faction, Triple H has power and it looks like his girlfriend might be put into a love story with Dominik Mysterio (and we know how those go).

[Mr. Nerfect]

Hell, I can see almost everyone wanting out of that shithole.

[Destor]

Rhodes backing out is pretty telling. They all kno theyve got a mark for a boss. No worker wants to answer to a mark. Its anathema

[xrodmuc316]

LOL Tiny out here blowing up against people questioning his booking of women again

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https://www.wrestlinginc.com/991133/tony-khan-gives-blunt-response-to-why-thunder-rosa-and-cm-punk-do-not-get-equal-aew-promo-time/

"I give the TV time based on what I believe is going to draw the most ratings," Khan said in the All Out 2022 media call. "If you want my honest opinion on an eight-minute Thunder Rosa promo vs an eight-minute CM Punk promo, then you're going to get an honest answer, and I think the eight-minute CM Punk promo is probably going to do a better rating ... To come out and do a live eight-minute promo, I'm not sure that would've been good for the television show, to be honest with you."

[Mr. Nerfect]

Rhodes backing out is pretty telling. They all kno theyve got a mark for a boss. No worker wants to answer to a mark. Its anathema

No doubt. The current backstage problems are also a symptom of this. It’s working for some guys because the mark is a mark for them.

LOL Tiny out here blowing up against people questioning his booking of women again

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Oof.

[#1-norm-fan]

Yeah, caving to the derps and giving Thunder Rosa as much TV time as CM Punk would have been the mark of a true genius.

The AEW Women’s Division is a joke. They definitely lied about presenting a decent division, but there’s nothing wrong with giving Punk more time.

OOF indeed!

[#1-norm-fan]

Bury that one FAST. Not a good look.

[drave]

The AEW Women’s Division is a joke. They definitely lied about presenting a decent division, but there’s nothing wrong with giving Punk more time. The concept of interim champions itself is wonky though.

[Mr. Nerfect]

There’s nothing wrong with giving Punk more time. That doesn’t mean you go and bury your talent, lol.

[drave]

I dunno, you said the AEW women's division is shit, and there's nothing wrong with giving Punk more time.


They did that, and then oof?

[Mr. Nerfect]

I dunno, you said the AEW women's division is shit, and there's nothing wrong with giving Punk more time.


They did that, and then oof?

The oof is at Tony Khan’s self-own and treatment of his talent. I’d prefer it if they didn’t have a shit division in the first place. He’s stepped in his own shit there.

[drave]

So him agreeing with your idea that giving Punk more time is okay is... somehow different?

[Mr. Nerfect]

So him agreeing with your idea that giving Punk more time is okay is... somehow different?

Yes, it is.

1. I didn’t book the division.

2. They’re not talent on my payroll.

The issue isn’t Tony Khan giving CM Punk more time for a promo. It’s how he responded to the question of why.

[Mr. Nerfect]

“Why didn’t you push this person?”

“They’re not good enough.”

Yeah, that’s an oof.

[drave]

That's how it goes in the business.


It's no different than any other booker, historically speaking.

[Mr. Nerfect]

That's how it goes in the business.


It's no different than any other booker, historically speaking.

Lol, are you still talking about the choice to give Punk a longer segment? I’m not arguing that. It’s not customary to be such a public dingbat about your talent at all.

[drave]

Customary? Perhaps.




Any different historically? No.

[#1-norm-fan]

Basically a bunch of morons complained about something stupid, Tony was asked about it at a media call and stated the obvious explanation and now it’s “oof”.

[#1-norm-fan]

“Why didn’t you push this person?”

“They’re not good enough.”

Lol That’s how you assessed his explanation of Punk getting a longer promo than Thunder Rosa.

Amazing good faith conversation there.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Customary? Perhaps.




Any different historically? No.

It is different historically. You’re not going to find too many examples of bookers/promoters going out there and saying the things TK is saying. It’s a fairly new thing.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Malakai Black’s desired departure from AEW is said to be for mental health issues. If true, that’s not good. I hope he gets everything he needs to sorted, shit wrestling presentation aside.

[XL]

Tony has already come out and said he hasn’t asked for his release.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Tony has already come out and said he hasn’t asked for his release.

Oh everything is fine and dandy then nvm

[XL]

Silly me.

Dirtsheets reporting something negative about AEW = the truth.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Silly me.

Dirtsheets reporting something negative about AEW = the truth.

Do you deny there’s a large pro-AEW bias in the wrestling media?

[Frank Drebin]

More like LAME-stream media. Amiright??

[Sepholio]

fake (wrestling) news

[xrodmuc316]

Tony has already come out and said he hasn’t asked for his release.

Just like he went out of his way to point out Punk is a super nice guy and had NOTHING to do with Colt Cabana not being allowed to come to AEW, just hours after Punk freaked out because a fan tried to chant Colt Cabana. Tony never spins anything :rofl:

[#1-norm-fan]

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Nash loves him some Orange Cassidy. Praises Punk putting guys over.

[Destor]

If you can watch ren and stimpy youll like orange cassidy"

[#1-norm-fan]

Big Ren and Stimpy fan. I clearly need to give Orange Cassidy another shot.

[Mr. Nerfect]

If you can watch ren and stimpy youll like orange cassidy"

Lol, classic Nash covering his bases.

[XL]

Just like he went out of his way to point out Punk is a super nice guy and had NOTHING to do with Colt Cabana not being allowed to come to AEW, just hours after Punk freaked out because a fan tried to chant Colt Cabana. Tony never spins anything :rofl:

It could very well be spin/damage control. My point was more that Noid is stating it as fact. Tony is saying otherwise.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It could very well be spin/damage control. My point was more that Noid is stating it as fact. Tony is saying otherwise.

I said “it’s said to be.” I’m not stating it as fact. It’s from the dirt sheets. But negative AEW news is not the norm. That shit used to be buried on purpose.

Do you disagree with this? And did Tony say that Malakai Black was happy or did he just say that he hasn’t requested a release?

[Vastardikai]

Yes, it is.

1. I didn’t book the division.

2. They’re not talent on my payroll.

The issue isn’t Tony Khan giving CM Punk more time for a promo. It’s how he responded to the question of why.

I think the issue is bigger than that, in many directions:

1. An injury announcement involving a champion shouldn't be a ratings consideration.
2. It didn't have to be a 8 minute bit. It just should have been longer than 30 seconds and in front of the live audience.
3. Speaking of said live audience, not long after the announcement, Britt comes out to the crowd and buries your Champion, again.
4. Also, if there is any veracity to the heat between Rosa and Baker (which I am sure there is, given the parties involved), it looks as though Khan is taking sides. And it is with the party he is seen with in public at various sporting events. The same party who gets more screen time than both women's champions. As much as Vince was derided for having a "type" let's say. He wasn't having his picture taken standing next to Sable and taking her to big events with him.
5. The AEW Women's Division is not a draw. No lie there. That is because in no small part because it isn't treated as a priority. WWE had the same problem until Triple H noticed that four of the girls in developmental were bigger stars than most of the guys, and not just with horny dudes.

[Jordan]

Guys, Thunder Rosa sucks on the mic.

[Vastardikai]

It is just saying "I am gonna be out of action. Thank you and I'll be back to reclaim what's mine." That doesn't require much. No one is expecting her to bust out "Austin 3:16".

[XL]

Malakai Black’s desired departure from AEW is said to be for mental health issues. If true, that’s not good. I hope he gets everything he needs to sorted, shit wrestling presentation aside.

I said “it’s said to be.” I’m not stating it as fact. It’s from the dirt sheets. But negative AEW news is not the norm. That shit used to be buried on purpose.

Do you disagree with this? And did Tony say that Malakai Black was happy or did he just say that he hasn’t requested a release?

The “said to be” part is about the reason. Your sentence reads that his departure is desired (fact) and the reason is for mental health (speculation).

Tony just stated he didn’t ask for a release, didn’t mention happiness/mental well-being. I’d suspect Black isn’t happy/mentally well but this isn’t referenced anywhere by Tony, or by me when I said Tony has come out and said he didn’t ask for a release, you’ve raised that.

[XL]

But we’ve been here before. Now you say “that’s the way you’ve read it”.

[#1-norm-fan]

An injury announcement involving a champion shouldn't be a ratings consideration.

Everything on the show should be a ratings consideration.

[Vastardikai]

Everything on the show should be a ratings consideration.

https://ik.imagekit.io/l2o8gnuspz/niftylift/application/files/cache/thumbnails/e1b3818b4fde298c3a5c462d61ed2992.jpg

[#1-norm-fan]

Lol I may or may not even take issue with the other points you made. But the first issue stood out as something I disagreed with. So I addressed it. That’s not cherry picking.

[slik]

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[XL]

Tony tweeted that Andrade is at the cricket.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think the issue is bigger than that, in many directions:

1. An injury announcement involving a champion shouldn't be a ratings consideration.
2. It didn't have to be a 8 minute bit. It just should have been longer than 30 seconds and in front of the live audience.
3. Speaking of said live audience, not long after the announcement, Britt comes out to the crowd and buries your Champion, again.
4. Also, if there is any veracity to the heat between Rosa and Baker (which I am sure there is, given the parties involved), it looks as though Khan is taking sides. And it is with the party he is seen with in public at various sporting events. The same party who gets more screen time than both women's champions. As much as Vince was derided for having a "type" let's say. He wasn't having his picture taken standing next to Sable and taking her to big events with him.
5. The AEW Women's Division is not a draw. No lie there. That is because in no small part because it isn't treated as a priority. WWE had the same problem until Triple H noticed that four of the girls in developmental were bigger stars than most of the guys, and not just with horny dudes.

Bingo. There are ways to treat talent *you* put into position with dignity that isn’t 1:1 exactly the same thing. Her not being the promo Punk is isn’t the point in the slightest.

But we’ve been here before. Now you say “that’s the way you’ve read it”.

Well, it is the way you read it, sunshine. I am telling you, right now, I did not mean to state it is a fact. You can either be a #1-mark about it, or you can listen to what I’m saying.

Tony tweeted that Andrade is at the cricket.

I think you’re joking about the potential innocuousness of the tweet, but maybe talent should be more careful about what they post on social media.

AEW fans are already running with this and turning on Andrade something fierce. Just the usual tho.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I guess Andrade needs to find the sport that is more boring than his matches. Women’s tennis isn’t going to do it.

[#1-norm-fan]

Well, it is the way you read it, sunshine. I am telling you, right now, I did not mean to state it is a fact. You can either be a #1-mark about it, or you can listen to what I’m saying.

He says while avoiding actually admitting he was wrong for the thousandth time.

[Mr. Nerfect]

By the way, Tony Khan’s relationship to the ratings is so infantile. There’s no way he legitimately runs a promotion with that misunderstanding of what the numbers mean. It’s a total scapegoat to drag Rosa. If he misspoke, he needs to speak less. But he’s just using that to justify his shit booking, which is more to the point people are making (not that Rosa cutting a 8 min promo would be good).

If TK wanted higher ratings, get rid of the acts that cap your product. The guys with the gimmicks that shit all over what you’re doing, the guys with change-the-channel daylight between their shit. It’ll take time and a bit to course correct with the women because YOU and YOUR TEAM have cultivated the perspective there.

Maybe he would hire a booker if he wanted higher ratings? Maybe he wouldn’t waste guys like Danielson, MJF and Wardlow?

Everyone knows that wrestling fans don’t count for much with advertisers anyway. Acting like your prerogative is solely to get the highest ratings for your segments is bullshit of the highest order.

[screech]

Noid's "I didn't say what you say I said even though everyone can read exactly what I said" gimmick is really something.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Noid's "I didn't say what you say I said even though everyone can read exactly what I said" gimmick is really something.

I said: “Malakai Black’s desired departure from AEW is said to be…” You can read it as his desired departure is fact. I thought it would go without saying that the speculative nature would apply to the whole statement without needing to paste ALLEGEDLY everywhere. “Malakai Black’s ALLEGED departure from AEW is ALLEGED to be because of ALLEGED mental health issues.” Fixed it for ya?

It’s obviously not fact Malakai Black wants out. It’s common sense, but it’s not fact. Yet.

[#1-norm-fan]

So here’s the series of events…

- There were some rumblings from the wrestling media that Malikai Black wanted out.

- Noid relayed that report and tacked on a speculated reason with his usual smug “lolAEW”.

- XL stated that the owner of the company said the entire premise was not accurate.

- Noid scoffed at that and then tried to excuse himself by claiming he was never working with the assumption that any part of this was true as he went down his “speculated reasons, lolAEW” rabbit hole.

- He’s now OVER-correcting his mistake with too many “ALLEGEDS” to paint the original objection as ludicrous after he was called out. As opposed to just saying “I probably shouldn’t have even commented on this to begin with. My bad.”

Side note: Noid would really like you to know that there is pro-AEW bias in the wrestling media as a whole but he is only interested in good faith conversations.

[xrodmuc316]

LOL #1boilingFan's hero

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[Mr. Nerfect]

Mark Zuckerberg for a guest Rumble spot, pls.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Or team him with Kerry Morton as the modern day York Foundation. Kerrence Morton.

[#1-norm-fan]

Still triggering cumdorx to try to get his heat back weeks after being “ignored”. Damn I’m good.

[Lock Jaw]

#1-norm-fan is boilin' for a fight!

[#1-norm-fan]

… and karaoke after.

[xrodmuc316]

#1Fan-in-TATTERS :lol::lol::lol:

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[#1-norm-fan]

xrod BOILINGTATTEREDSIMMERINGDUNKEDONROFLROFLROFL over his genius strategy to derp without being made fun of EXPLODING in his face. Much like Punk does at the end of his schoolgirl crush fantasies.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol, TK did another paid for interview with Forbes where he said AEW generates over $100 million in revenue and a bunch of AEW bots are going nuts over it like “See! It’s a success!” Given they get $45 million in TV rights and split ad revenue with Warner Bros Discovery 50/50, you’d hope they would generate >$90 mil before you even get to PPV, ticket sales and merchandise. That doesn’t say anything about their overall profits though.

[xrodmuc316]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

Something’s gotta give.

[Jordan]

Damn that made me feel bad for him.

[Mr. Nerfect]

This is all by his design.

[Evil Vito]

Malakai Black has been granted a conditional release.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I’ve read it for mental health reasons. Hopefully he gets the help he needs.

Really thought after his debut he’d be a top heel in the company but he’s gone mostly nowhere and he’s no longer a singles act, either. I wonder if the conditional release just means he’ll be back in AEW whenever he’s ready.

[Frank Drebin]

They had a god damned super villain and they just put him in a nowhere feud with Cody and a bunch of 6 man matches. SMH

[Evil Vito]

If Malakai was actually working hurt with (by his own admission on Twitch) really severe back issues, or otherwise struggling, then working 6-man tags and nothing too high pressure, was probably the most appropriate way he could've been booked. That sort of thing goes to show that there's always a hundred stories and different reasons behind why someone is booked the way they are, beyond what you see on TV.

That said it's a damn shame, a lot more could've been done with a fully healthy Malakai. If he's struggling mentally I hope he gets all of that taken care of before he goes into whatever he's gonna do next.

[Frank Drebin]

Yes if he was dealing with a long term injury then obviously they did the best they could considering. I didnt know he was though.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Surprised more talent don’t get out from both companies on conditional releases. He seemed like he was going to be a big project for them. He was never really that good. I think they bought into Meltzer’s bullshit about him being a chosen one, then they got stuck with him.

I wonder if the release is for all wrestling or if it just excludes WWE? Because Court Bauer used to be nuts about the guy. Wouldn’t surprise me to see him in MLW.

[XL]

I think both parties rushed into commitment because of the whole 30 day compete fiasco. Strike while the iron is hot, stick it to WWE type thing when Black could have done with some time off by all accounts. Would explain the release from WWE a little more if he wasn’t ready to return. Or did he injure himself in AEW?

[Mr. Nerfect]

I thought he injured himself in AEW, but if he didn’t, there should be a more careful screening process when it comes to bringing guys in.

[Sting Fan]

Pretty sad to see Malakai go but it sounds like its more a health/personal thing so good on him for calling it. If he turns up in WWE again so be it but I really hope he returns to AEW at some point.

I'm curious what they do with HOB, I could see Buddy and Brody making an excellent tag team with Julia managing them if they chose to go that way and wait to see if Black returns but I feel like this leaves Julia a bit exposed.

Not to sure how good Buddy or Brody are on the mic but one of them needs to be able to hold up that end of the bargain a little bit if they go this route because I dont think Julia is ready to do al the talking.

[xrodmuc316]

How come The Rock is opening up the NFL season instead of somebody that is an actual megastar like Dante Martin or Tony Nese?

[#1-norm-fan]

Damn. The “Tony Nese and Dante Martin are megastars” crowd has officially been checkmated.

[Jordan]

Can you believe it? Jake Hager resigned with AEW and given a raise, damn.

[Mr. Nerfect]

He’s Jericho’s buddy. He’s going to have a job standing there for $1 million a year whether it’s warranted or not.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

For those thinking Vince would've handled this better than Tony, that's not an apples-to-apples comparison.

Vince wouldn't have run the post-match scrum--which is probably a credit to him in this instance. They're pointless anyway because all they do is break kayfabe. However, Vince on TV outside of a WWE context (and not on a late-night talk show where he used to do okay) is a dumpster fire. The Bob Costas interview is a fucking disaster and I can't remember the other one where he came across as a psychopath, but he's bad. Those appearances were probably why he never appeared outside of anything WWE produced for the past could of decades.

Also, he wouldn't have suspended anyone if he could've gotten away with it. If the network execs wanted it to happen, then maybe. But he wasn't some grand disciplinarian. Sure, he's a bully--but not someone who'd suspend his main stars. Maybe if it were a couple of underneath guys he'd have fired them.

In fairness--I'd prefer if nobody got suspended because this is pro wrestling and backstage fights happen. Could've slapped'm with fines and made them work it out.

[drave]

Fines are wank and hardly serve a purpose.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Fines are wank and hardly serve a purpose.

You're wank and hardly serve a purpose.

My main point is I don't think they should've been suspended. They shouldn't be EVPs anyways so maybe strip them of those roles. But as wrestlers, who fucking cares that they fought?

[drave]

I'm so wank, that I physically wank. And I fucking love it.


My purpose is to remind you that the Shitman Bret Shart puts Ben Stein to sleep. This is why I hardly serve a purpose, because everyone knows, but you have dementia.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

sure.

[drave]

It's okay Dale.




Bret screwed Bret


And probably Owen too




True stories.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Time to refill those prescriptions, Draver.

[drave]

Been on the record telling you that I'm not gonna let a shrink undo all my hard work after all this time.


I'm living my best life.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Been on the record telling you that I'm not gonna let a shrink undo all my hard work after all this time.


I'm living my best life.

At the very least Oxys'll settle you down.

[IC Champion]

Will also make your best life even better.

[Evil Vito]

Christian expected to be out 6-8 months, so he's probably not having his actual match with Jungle Boy until Revolution or Double or Nothing. Damn.

Christian's a good enough heel that he could just show up and jump Jungle Boy at any time and get people right back into the program with his promo work. But Jack's gonna have to be given some other stuff to do in the interim.

[drave]

At the very least Oxys'll settle you down.




That's weed man. I think I'm doing just fine, thanks Dad! :wave:

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Seems you need a heavier indica.

[Fignuts]

Christian expected to be out 6-8 months, so he's probably not having his actual match with Jungle Boy until Revolution or Double or Nothing. Damn.

Christian's a good enough heel that he could just show up and jump Jungle Boy at any time and get people right back into the program with his promo work. But Jack's gonna have to be given some other stuff to do in the interim.

Feud with luchasaurus could stretch it out for a bit.

[Evil Vito]

I can see that going to Full Gear definitely. That's still 2+ more months away.

Still will be a lot of time to kill after that though. JB can move on to other things but still have that looming thought in the back of his mind that Christian could strike and have something up his sleeve. Would give him the chance to try out some really cool character work.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Christian/Jungle Boy is over. It existed in an immediate sense. Delaying the feud is just an exercise in spinning your wheels. Christian should sit on the sidelines and reflect on his life and pretend to be a face if he ever comes back.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Bobby Fish is having a bit of a moment.

[drave]

Seems you need a heavier indica.




I do. Do your thing man.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I do. Do your thing man.

Stop being such a Bret the shitman shart piece of trash hitman fart fuddy Duddy. End every drave post replying to me.

[Sepholio]

Christian/Jungle Boy is over. It existed in an immediate sense. Delaying the feud is just an exercise in spinning your wheels. Christian should sit on the sidelines and reflect on his life and pretend to be a face if he ever comes back.

Come on you know as well as I do that they'll just pick it up in 9 months like no time has passed and we'll be told by people how it's just an excellent example of AEWs proper long term storytelling.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

He should’ve just destroyed Christian at all out

[Mr. Nerfect]

Come on you know as well as I do that they'll just pick it up in 9 months like no time has passed and we'll be told by people how it's just an excellent example of AEWs proper long term storytelling.

Oh yeah, I know. If he can do commentary some time over his recovery period, that would be great.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Luchasaurus is going to suck without Christian. He’s not a very good wrestler.

[Loose Cannon]

did the Young Bucks vs Undisputed Era storyline ever have any sort of pay off?

I saw the turn on the Bucks but don't know if any match even happened. And now Fish is gone so that kind of sucks if it didn't

[Mr. Nerfect]

did the Young Bucks vs Undisputed Era storyline ever have any sort of pay off?

I saw the turn on the Bucks but don't know if any match even happened. And now Fish is gone so that kind of sucks if it didn't

I’m sure there’s a list of stories that AEW that started and didn’t go anywhere. It’s been a thing since they started.

[Mr. Nerfect]

So Danielson is going to win the AEW Title and wrestle MJF for it, yes? That’s probably their best shot, but it feels like this should have already happened, but they’ve fucked around on Danielson for so long. MJF should cut some promos to “light the fire” under Danielson though.

[Mr. Nerfect]

This has been lost in all the Punk/Elite talk, but it should be pointed out that one of the backstage issues going on in AEW is that a lot of the lockerroom believes Thunder Rosa is faking/exaggerating her injury. Toni Storm had some snide remarks at the scrum (again as Tony Khan just sat there).

[Mr. Nerfect]

Their Discord server got deleted, apparently. Lol.

[Vastardikai]

This has been lost in all the Punk/Elite talk, but it should be pointed out that one of the backstage issues going on in AEW is that a lot of the lockerroom believes Thunder Rosa is faking/exaggerating her injury. Toni Storm had some snide remarks at the scrum (again as Tony Khan just sat there).

Odd that all this shit is going on when she can't defend herself. I take it like this: is it "many" or is it "friends of Britt," that includes the Simp who owns the fucking thing? It's the same whisper campaign bullshit that is being used on Punk and that was used on Cody.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Odd that all this shit is going on when she can't defend herself. I take it like this: is it "many" or is it "friends of Britt," that includes the Simp who owns the fucking thing? It's the same whisper campaign bullshit that is being used on Punk and that was used on Cody.

I haven’t read too much into it. I’ve heard that there’s a Britt Baker camp, and she’s one of the ones who thinks it. In the scrum Toni Storm said something like “Rosa says she’s injured. So when she says she’s not injured, she can come back and I’ll defend this against her.” It was full of snark.

How hard is it to have a media policy? Stay in character and don’t trash people’s characters — especially if they’re supposed to be a babyface and fans are supposed to want to support them (Punk, Rosa).

[xrodmuc316]

Did this guy get hacked? Is this dude for real? LOL like WTF

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">From this week’s <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BradShepardUNLEASHED?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BradShepardUNLEASHED</a>, a source tells me <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BrittBaker?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BrittBaker</a> had sex with <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Christian?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Christian</a>.<br><br>The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEW</a> leaks continue. The wheels are coming off the train tracks.<br><br>Listen to the entire conversation here:<br><br>iTunes: <a href="https://t.co/HuY1ErhdDj">https://t.co/HuY1ErhdDj</a><br><br>Spotify: <a href="https://t.co/NzybsXTP2c">https://t.co/NzybsXTP2c</a> <a href="https://t.co/y16btMvYqj">pic.twitter.com/y16btMvYqj</a></p>&mdash; Brad Shepard (@ItsBradShepard) <a href="https://twitter.com/ItsBradShepard/status/1568272310217441280?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 9, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Mr. Nerfect]

Oh no, Adam Cole is getting so skinny that Britt Baker confused him for Christian.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Is this how Christian Cage injured himself?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Talk about going All Out.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Maybe Britt Baker has a thing for guys who can’t help getting concussed? Brie Bella better keep Bryan home.

[Mr. Nerfect]

How is Adam Cole going to react? Does he binge eat and get fat and pudgy? Does he quit AEW and return to NXT looking jacked to shit? Or does he high five Christian and add him to the Undisputed Elite?

[Mr. Nerfect]

When Edge and Christian were having a quiet bet to see who could have the better heel turn, I don’t think Edge expected Christian to steal his gimmick.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Hang on…isn’t Britt Baker’s finish the Lock Jaw? Lock Jaw. Christian. It all makes sense.

[Mr. Nerfect]

If they do a live sex celebration on Rampage will they get 500k viewers?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Out. Work. Everyone.

[Mr. Nerfect]

“Hey Tony, I can’t get in the ring for 8 months.”
“Why’s that, Jay-Jay, my buddy, my pal?”
“I’m ravaging pussy for the next 8 months.”
“Oh? Anyone I know?”
“Britt… :p”
“:(“

[Mr. Nerfect]

Tony promised Christian a dental plan for signing with AEW. He’s going to get free visits one way or another.

[Mr. Nerfect]

“Britt Baker” is an anagram for “Captain Charisma penis”

[Mr. Nerfect]

It actually is an anagram for “ribb ttaker.” Ribbed for her pleasure.

[Mr. Nerfect]

AEW is the gift that just keeps on giving. Except not on-air.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The Bucks apparently sent feelers to the WWE, lol.

[Mr. Nerfect]

http://www.postwrestling.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/RESEM108786carpool-karaoke-678x381.jpg

Oh no.

[Vastardikai]

Did this guy get hacked? Is this dude for real? LOL like WTF

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">From this week’s <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BradShepardUNLEASHED?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BradShepardUNLEASHED</a>, a source tells me <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BrittBaker?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BrittBaker</a> had sex with <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Christian?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Christian</a>.<br><br>The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEW</a> leaks continue. The wheels are coming off the train tracks.<br><br>Listen to the entire conversation here:<br><br>iTunes: <a href="https://t.co/HuY1ErhdDj">https://t.co/HuY1ErhdDj</a><br><br>Spotify: <a href="https://t.co/NzybsXTP2c">https://t.co/NzybsXTP2c</a> <a href="https://t.co/y16btMvYqj">pic.twitter.com/y16btMvYqj</a></p>&mdash; Brad Shepard (@ItsBradShepard) <a href="https://twitter.com/ItsBradShepard/status/1568272310217441280?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 9, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

On one hand, I don't believe it. Brad is full of shit.

On the other hand I so want it to be true for so many reasons:

A. Rosa strikes back hard. :lol:
B. I always figured Cole was too busy playing with his joystick.
C. Tony is gonna be like "YOU BITCH! I let you bleed on my TV! I took you to football games! I even buried Rosa for you! And I don't even get to sniff your panties! But Jay walks in and gets to smash? THE FUCK!?"
D. Christian truly did Outwork Everyone.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Brad’s track record is spotty, but that’s such a weird thing to make up. I don’t want for anyone to get needlessly hurt, and hopefully every smashing outside the ring has been ethical, but it’s certainly juicy gossip.

Something felt “weird” about what Punk said about Cole in the scrum. Calling him a sweetheart and saying that he’s more concerned about his health than his imprint on wrestling or whatever. I really don’t think they’d be connected, and my first thought was there’s something way more major going on with his health than we know, but I guess it could be because things aren’t exactly gravy between Britt and Adam. Just to throw baseless speculation in there.

[XL]

I’m a big Christian fan (#2 on TPDub, maybe) but if he’s fucked up the launch of the Owen Hart Memorial Mixed Tag Team Championships (OHMMTT Championships if you will) then I’m through with him.

AEW is in dire need of more championships and if he’s screwed it up this could be the first chink in AEW’s armour.

[drave]

bring back blue dot christian.






@Dale, no.

[Vastardikai]

Brad’s track record is spotty, but that’s such a weird thing to make up. I don’t want for anyone to get needlessly hurt, and hopefully every smashing outside the ring has been ethical, but it’s certainly juicy gossip.

Something felt “weird” about what Punk said about Cole in the scrum. Calling him a sweetheart and saying that he’s more concerned about his health than his imprint on wrestling or whatever. I really don’t think they’d be connected, and my first thought was there’s something way more major going on with his health than we know, but I guess it could be because things aren’t exactly gravy between Britt and Adam. Just to throw baseless speculation in there.

I have joked that Punk had relations with Britt in the past, based on Punk's history with women in wrestling, and Colebaybay being... Colebaybay.