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Emperor Smeat
12-21-2020, 01:31 AM
Huh, totally forgot they actually break down non-network shows into detailed weeks as well. Been a long time since I last visited that site.
That still doesn't negate the fact that all everyone was doing was just comparing RAW from December 14th with Dynamite from December 9th since both shows happened within a span of a 7-day week period that wasn't defined.
You and Noid kept trying to compare it strictly on both needing to be on the exact same week starting on a Monday or else it shouldn't count at all. Under that view, it would be impossible to ever compare SD to RAW if SD's show came before RAW's show.
Emperor Smeat
12-21-2020, 01:44 AM
Exactly, they never compared a current week show with a previous week's show until they could spin it as "We Beat Raw this week!".
That is the bias.
Because until last week, RAW's key demo number was never lower than whatever was the most recent Dynamite for Tuesday's ratings releases.
Same reaction would happen if it was NXT in AEW's shoes for having a higher key demo than RAW under a similar comparison.
Its just something that's not expected to happen due to RAW's much bigger status over AEW and NXT.
Mr. Nerfect
12-21-2020, 02:30 AM
No, it wouldn’t be the same story if NXT achieved something. It would be that AEW did really well with grey-haired women and they’re now a key demo magically. This is all about making AEW look as good as possible, which is why a shit Raw from one week was compared to a great AEW from another week instead of the shit AEW from the same week.
And that people won’t admit that is really frustrating. We haven’t heard any special news stories about Dynamite losing 200k viewers. Why? Because no one wants to tell the truth about the situation.
Raw beat Dynamite last week. It was a shitty week for both. The week prior was a bigger week for Dynamite off Sting that they managed to do a better rating in a particular demo than Raw got the following week (all-time low) but Dynamite also dropped.
If Raw got a 4.5 against Nitro’s 4.7, but then the next week Nitro got a 4.4, the story isn’t that Raw beat Nitro because a 4.5 is bigger. Especially when it comes back that Raw got a 4.3 and Nitro actually won.
Emperor Smeat
12-21-2020, 02:46 AM
Seeing as RAW and Nitro aired on the same day, that comparison you made is just as bad and illogical as the Browns vs. Ravens one xrod made a while ago.
AEW and RAW don't air on the same day which is why when Tuesday's ratings come out if you want to make any sort of direct comparison between the two, you take Monday's RAW and the previous Wednesday. For the first time ever, AEW managed to actually top RAW in the key demo but didn't build it into a streak with their next show since now that show is the one being compared to RAW's show from Monday for Thursday's ratings talks.
AEW already has beaten RAW within the sub key demos a couple times before and the gap between the two in several areas gets very close at times on other occasions.
xrodmuc316
12-21-2020, 03:41 AM
Huh, totally forgot they actually break down non-network shows into detailed weeks as well. Been a long time since I last visited that site.
That still doesn't negate the fact that all everyone was doing was just comparing RAW from December 14th with Dynamite from December 9th since both shows happened within a span of a 7-day week period that wasn't defined.
You and Noid kept trying to compare it strictly on both needing to be on the exact same week starting on a Monday or else it shouldn't count at all. Under that view, it would be impossible to ever compare SD to RAW if SD's show came before RAW's show.
I didn't bring it up. I'm not trying to spin the story, they are.
If the AEW personalities and the Sheet writers they have on the take would not have claimed it as a weekly win, it would be fine. I am not denying that one episode of Dynamite had a higher number in a demo than one episode of Raw.
I don't think they should claim they beat Raw in the weekly ratings, because they did not. They choose that wording, knowing they were in the following week, knowing that their previous week Wednesday show did not beat the Raw that aired in the same weekly ratings report.
Instead of waiting until Wednesday to see if they would keep their viewership up and actually beat Raw, they took the first chance they had and hyped up a weekly win that didn't happen, because I assume they knew they weren't actually going to outdraw Raw in the current week either, which ended up being true, since they did not.
Emperor Smeat
12-21-2020, 04:35 AM
I didn't bring it up. I'm not trying to spin the story, they are.
If the AEW personalities and the Sheet writers they have on the take would not have claimed it as a weekly win, it would be fine. I am not denying that one episode of Dynamite had a higher number in a demo than one episode of Raw.
I don't think they should claim they beat Raw in the weekly ratings, because they did not. They choose that wording, knowing they were in the following week, knowing that their previous week Wednesday show did not beat the Raw that aired in the same weekly ratings report.
Instead of waiting until Wednesday to see if they would keep their viewership up and actually beat Raw, they took the first chance they had and hyped up a weekly win that didn't happen, because I assume they knew they weren't actually going to outdraw Raw in the current week either, which ended up being true, since they did not.
:|
What spin since the whole talk was never about AEW getting to claim this past whole week as a win using the prior week's number.
Sheets sites and writers talk about ratings after every major tv wrestling show numbers come out which means 3 times per week (4 if Impact charted or did anything notable). That also potentially means 3 different ratings comparisons being made throughout the week as new numbers come in for shows. They are not going to just wait a specific day to talk about ratings just to please whoever would be upset if its done any other way.
I went back to look up what the Observer wrote for their ratings report and even they mentioned the comparison was only for AEW & RAW's most recent shows and not the entire week of December 14th as you keep assuming is the case.
For the first time ever, not only did last week's AEW Dynamite beat an hour of Raw, but it beat all three hours in 18-49 and 18-34. It is not a lock AEW will beat Raw's numbers tomorrow but it would be a surprise if it doesn't beat this Friday's SmackDown numbers on FS1. AEW has only beaten 0.41 twice this year, both times in the last two weeks.
Mr. Nerfect
12-21-2020, 06:49 AM
Seeing as RAW and Nitro aired on the same day, that comparison you made is just as bad and illogical as the Browns vs. Ravens one xrod made a while ago.
AEW and RAW don't air on the same day which is why when Tuesday's ratings come out if you want to make any sort of direct comparison between the two, you take Monday's RAW and the previous Wednesday. For the first time ever, AEW managed to actually top RAW in the key demo but didn't build it into a streak with their next show since now that show is the one being compared to RAW's show from Monday for Thursday's ratings talks.
AEW already has beaten RAW within the sub key demos a couple times before and the gap between the two in several areas gets very close at times on other occasions.
Why does it make a difference if they’re on at the same time if you can compare other weeks with each other? That’s trivial at this point.
TV ratings have always been compared to the programming that week. Raw got 1.54 million and AEW got 800k or whatever. That’s it. When Raw tanked you knew AEW was going to tank. There was a drop-off in the weeks.
Listen to yourself: “sub-key demos.” What kind of oxymoronic bullshit that? Oh, it’s a key demo, it’s just not the key demo. THAT’S WHAT KEY DEMO MEANS! You can’t have a sub-key demo.
Oh, you’ve got first place and then you’ve got sub-first place. No. You’ve got bullshit. This is propaganda designed to prop up a bullshit wrestling company for either personal or professional reasons. I don’t know if Meltzer is getting paid, but maybe it’s his reputation since he’s consulting with them, or maybe it’s the fact that TK is an idiot that doesn’t know what he’s doing but when the Observer School of Wrestling so Dave feels like it can’t fail. Maybe it’s just because he’s forced himself to watch WWE and has brainwashed himself. But this ratings talk is just not honest. And there are people who take things that they read on the internet and don’t question them, circulate them further, change the wording of even more.
Raw has never been beaten by AEW. The history books will reflect that. But unfortunately we’ll have a lot of myths because of this sort of shit.
I didn't bring it up. I'm not trying to spin the story, they are.
If the AEW personalities and the Sheet writers they have on the take would not have claimed it as a weekly win, it would be fine. I am not denying that one episode of Dynamite had a higher number in a demo than one episode of Raw.
I don't think they should claim they beat Raw in the weekly ratings, because they did not. They choose that wording, knowing they were in the following week, knowing that their previous week Wednesday show did not beat the Raw that aired in the same weekly ratings report.
Instead of waiting until Wednesday to see if they would keep their viewership up and actually beat Raw, they took the first chance they had and hyped up a weekly win that didn't happen, because I assume they knew they weren't actually going to outdraw Raw in the current week either, which ended up being true, since they did not.
Exactly this.
Fucking hell. All these words over what is essentially “Wrestling Company Presents Numbers In A Way That Makes Them Look Better”.
You said it yourself Noid, it’s propaganda. Just like the “Record Setting Attendance” figures that WWE regularly shouts about.
Sting Fan
12-21-2020, 05:34 PM
I dont understand the angst over ratings tbh. The entire industries ratings are in the toilet vs. highpoints in the past and I don't care whos side your arguing comparing AEW to WWE is like comparing apples and hippos.
Emperor Smeat
12-21-2020, 06:33 PM
Why does it make a difference if they’re on at the same time if you can compare other weeks with each other? That’s trivial at this point.
TV ratings have always been compared to the programming that week. Raw got 1.54 million and AEW got 800k or whatever. That’s it. When Raw tanked you knew AEW was going to tank. There was a drop-off in the weeks.
Listen to yourself: “sub-key demos.” What kind of oxymoronic bullshit that? Oh, it’s a key demo, it’s just not the key demo. THAT’S WHAT KEY DEMO MEANS! You can’t have a sub-key demo.
Oh, you’ve got first place and then you’ve got sub-first place. No. You’ve got bullshit. This is propaganda designed to prop up a bullshit wrestling company for either personal or professional reasons. I don’t know if Meltzer is getting paid, but maybe it’s his reputation since he’s consulting with them, or maybe it’s the fact that TK is an idiot that doesn’t know what he’s doing but when the Observer School of Wrestling so Dave feels like it can’t fail. Maybe it’s just because he’s forced himself to watch WWE and has brainwashed himself. But this ratings talk is just not honest. And there are people who take things that they read on the internet and don’t question them, circulate them further, change the wording of even more.
Raw has never been beaten by AEW. The history books will reflect that. But unfortunately we’ll have a lot of myths because of this sort of shit.
Exactly this.
Your comparison with RAW and Nitro was dumb because you were taking shows that aired on the same night meaning their most recent show was on the same time. You somehow think that people are cherry picking stuff when its just most recent shows that was being compared and AEW didn't have their most recent show when RAW's numbers came out on a Tuesday. Nobody was randomly picking an AEW show just to boast about it beating RAW as some sort of propaganda BS you've latched onto as an excuse.
Yes you can have sub-key demos since that's what makes up the overall key demo. Those sub-demos are useful when you want to look more deeper into numbers and trends but your dumbass somehow can comprehend that being possible with all the misleading stuff about ratings you keep spewing out. AEW having a higher key demo number than RAW one time didn't come out of thin air but something that was showing signs of happening in the future but not this soon. Brandon Thurston who analysis data and ratings for a living has been pointing out for months that AEW was eventually going to top RAW at some point if the trends stayed on their current track because of the shrinking gaps and growing shift towards Wednesdays as the new major day for TV wrestling.
xrodmuc316
12-21-2020, 09:16 PM
Nobody was randomly picking an AEW show just to boast about it beating RAW
That is precisely what they did. Alvarez and Meltzer have never once brought up the Raw Ratings on a Tuesday before in the context that they beat the previous week's Dynamite.
Then suddenly they are hyping it up like they got 5 million viewers, and beat Raw in the weekly demos, even though they didn't and aired in a previous week.
The final report will be Raw beat AEW in the 48th week of the year, and Raw beat AEW in the 49th week of the year.
Weekly Ratings = Monday-Sunday. It is not a rolling 7 days, never has been, probably never will be. It's certainly not just because Bryan Alvarez said so.
sub-demos are useful when you want to look more deeper into numbers and trends
How can you argue the usefulness of these demos when you are advocating that they can just ignore something as basic as what a weekly ratings report consist of?
You can't just pick and choose which parameters to follow. Nielsen says weekly is Monday-Sunday. If you don't want to follow their set guidelines, don't state how important and valuable their research data is.
Emperor Smeat
12-21-2020, 10:33 PM
OMFG again.
They've both brought up stuff from AEW and other non-RAW shows in context of RAW ratings before when something notable happened for recent shows comparisons. This wasn't something out of the blue. What made last week talk any special was solely because a most recent AEW show managed to actually top a most recent RAW show for the first time ever.
Observer's report on the ratings had the headline of "WWE Raw ratings hit new all-time record low" and just one small paragraph talking about what AEW's most recent show did for comparisons since something notable happened between the two shows.
For the first time ever, not only did last week's AEW Dynamite beat an hour of Raw, but it beat all three hours in 18-49 and 18-34. It is not a lock AEW will beat Raw's numbers tomorrow but it would be a surprise if it doesn't beat this Friday's SmackDown numbers on FS1. AEW has only beaten 0.41 twice this year, both times in the last two weeks.
You and Noid somehow think they've been on this high and mighty boasting crusade when that wasn't the case at all. Alvarez barely gloated about what happened anyways and the brief time he did was also in context of why this should be a huge wake up call to RAW that serious changes need to be made to the whole creative process of the show. He even gives reasons why RAW's been in a such a poor state for as long as its been and why that should not be the case considering the quality of talent on their roster each year.
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I also still don't get why you and Noid are so hung up over anyone comparing stuff that doesn't strictly fit your view of a week. Even you keep bragging on Tuesdays how RAW beats AEW in viewership despite the two shows not being from the same week so don't go try telling me that I'm the one cherry picking stuff.
Triple A
12-21-2020, 10:35 PM
Crazy that AEW already defeated WWF Raw in the ratings after just over a year in existence!
Really says a lot!
weather vane
12-21-2020, 10:38 PM
Yeah it’s crazy that they are kicking the shit out of them. You hate to see it.
Bad News Gertner
12-21-2020, 10:49 PM
This is my favourite thread.
xrodmuc316
12-21-2020, 11:07 PM
I also still don't get why you and Noid are so hung up over anyone comparing stuff that doesn't strictly fit your view of a week.
It's not MY view of a week. I am going strictly by the company that releases the ratings view of a week.
And yes, I have said that about the ratings. You know what though, I am also not employed in the wrestling business.
I don't have an issue with you saying it specifically. I have an issue with people employed in the wrestling business saying it. I might use verbiage disagreeing with you backing their logic, but my issue is with that.
BigCrippyZ
12-21-2020, 11:57 PM
I don't have an issue with you saying it specifically. I have an issue with people employed in the wrestling business saying it. I might use verbiage disagreeing with you backing their logic, but my issue is with that.
See here I thought you were just a piece of shit troll. Now I see... you're not a piece of shit troll. Instead, you're a fucking idiot piece of shit. No wonder you post such dumb moronic fucking posts... you actually think Alvarez or Meltzer are "in the wrestling business". They're journalists/reporters in the media business who happen to be experts in and report on the wrestling business, but they're not "in the wrestling business". That being said, they're clearly more intelligent than you and so many others in re: about how mass media and entertainment work.
Sting Fan
12-22-2020, 05:28 AM
Crazy that AEW already defeated WWF Raw in the ratings after just over a year in existence!
Really says a lot!
I see what you did there... :heart:
Mr. Nerfect
12-22-2020, 06:28 AM
Fucking hell. All these words over what is essentially “Wrestling Company Presents Numbers In A Way That Makes Them Look Better”.
You said it yourself Noid, it’s propaganda. Just like the “Record Setting Attendance” figures that WWE regularly shouts about.
Yes, and they're bullshit too. Both companies can be called out for the bullshit they spew. So can we at least admit that the Observer has become propaganda?
AEW is now covering up its poor handling of concussions -- at least the talent is making the decision to do that.
Fuuuuuck them.
OMFG again.
They've both brought up stuff from AEW and other non-RAW shows in context of RAW ratings before when something notable happened for recent shows comparisons. This wasn't something out of the blue. What made last week talk any special was solely because a most recent AEW show managed to actually top a most recent RAW show for the first time ever.
Observer's report on the ratings had the headline of "WWE Raw ratings hit new all-time record low" and just one small paragraph talking about what AEW's most recent show did for comparisons since something notable happened between the two shows.
You and Noid somehow think they've been on this high and mighty boasting crusade when that wasn't the case at all. Alvarez barely gloated about what happened anyways and the brief time he did was also in context of why this should be a huge wake up call to RAW that serious changes need to be made to the whole creative process of the show. He even gives reasons why RAW's been in a such a poor state for as long as its been and why that should not be the case considering the quality of talent on their roster each year.
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I also still don't get why you and Noid are so hung up over anyone comparing stuff that doesn't strictly fit your view of a week. Even you keep bragging on Tuesdays how RAW beats AEW in viewership despite the two shows not being from the same week so don't go try telling me that I'm the one cherry picking stuff.
I don't give a fuck if the Observer has pulled that bullshit before. It doesn't make it not bullshit lol. Raw did a higher number, AEW did a lower number, Raw did an evil lower number and then AEW did an even lower number.
Did AEW both win and lose to Raw in the same week? That's the way you bullshitters want to have it.
Just admit that the shitty wrestling is getting shittier and shittier results. And as we get closer to Christmas (especially against giant-ass footballs games people actually give a shit about), interest in wrestling is going to get shifted because it is not very good.
Trying to spin AEW having their last hyped show of the year on the corona of the fucking dead of US winter is absolute bullshit and you know it.
Bad News Gertner
12-22-2020, 06:46 PM
Noid and xrod
Your King has noticed your good work lately, and wants to offer you both the opportunity to be the head of security.
Keep these propagandists in line
Volare
12-22-2020, 07:20 PM
Oh lookie, a faction is forming.
Volare
12-22-2020, 08:31 PM
SCU just made the claim next time they lose SCU is done!!
Mr. Nerfect
12-22-2020, 09:19 PM
With fucking pleasure, Lord Gertner. “Smarks are the new marks” is too fucking right.
Bad News Gertner
12-22-2020, 09:21 PM
The easiest to fool are smarks because they think they know everything
Volare
12-22-2020, 09:40 PM
Said it before and I'll say it again....just drink whiskey/Jager/vodka and watch my wrestling, don't give a fuck about much else unless there's a new hot item or something.
Baker probably gonna be checking Sting for cavities tomorrow night
Emperor Smeat
12-22-2020, 10:04 PM
SCU just made the claim next time they lose SCU is done!!
Was that from tonight's AEW Dark show?
Haven't watched it yet but would make some sense to disband them in the near future since AEW's tag division is extra stuffed now and SCU served their purpose for the first couple years of the company.
Also a very easy way to turn SCU heel since they can start doing cheating tactics in matches now to try to avoid having to follow that stip while building up to that moment happening in the end and a rub to whichever face team does it.
Was that from tonight's AEW Dark show?
Haven't watched it yet but would make some sense to disband them in the near future since AEW's tag division is extra stuffed now and SCU served their purpose for the first couple years of the company.
Also a very easy way to turn SCU heel since they can start doing cheating tactics in matches now to try to avoid having to follow that stip while building up to that moment happening in the end and a rub to whichever face team does it.
Yeah..during the Brit Baker waiting room segment.
erickman
12-22-2020, 10:40 PM
aew just did a new ad on impact and tony was talking signing tag teams, and inviting impact wrestlers to tomorows show
Mr. Nerfect
12-22-2020, 11:02 PM
The easiest to fool are smarks because they think they know everything
:y:
aew just did a new ad on impact and tony was talking signing tag teams, and inviting impact wrestlers to tomorows show
I'm sure it was Eric Bischoff/Vince McMahon calibre stuff.
Damian Rey 2.0
12-22-2020, 11:14 PM
Tag team named Bear Country looked realgood on Dark. And then were victim to a botched doomsday device. Jesus.
Mr. Nerfect
12-22-2020, 11:54 PM
AEW are absolutely poisoning my interest in wrestling. My favorite podcast in the world is SCG Radio, and their Christmas special is just them shilling for AEW and it is unbearable. I hope Liam gets more than the book pub and plane tickets for that.
Volare
12-23-2020, 12:26 AM
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Volare
12-23-2020, 12:28 AM
The only owner in wrestling who's not a carny. :lol:
Triple A
12-23-2020, 12:58 AM
Crazy that AEW also defeated WWE SmackDown Live this week in the ratings... Now it has defeated all three WWE shows... Makes you think...
AEW are absolutely poisoning my interest in wrestling. My favorite podcast in the world is SCG Radio, and their Christmas special is just them shilling for AEW and it is unbearable. I hope Liam gets more than the book pub and plane tickets for that.
1. you post more than anyone in "AEW" threads
2. I don't give a fuck about your dumb ratings war threads. pathetic
3. Thunder Rosa won tonight. woot woot. NWA
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I must be a stimulus check because there ain’t enough of me to go around <a href="https://t.co/UHMUt8ifrq">pic.twitter.com/UHMUt8ifrq</a></p>— Ricky Starks (@starkmanjones) <a href="https://twitter.com/starkmanjones/status/1341214370857185281?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 22, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Mr. Nerfect
12-23-2020, 03:25 AM
Crazy that AEW also defeated WWE SmackDown Live this week in the ratings... Now it has defeated all three WWE shows... Makes you think...
Can’t wait until this promotion is getting 420k on AXS. My gimmick then is going to be to talk about how great it is and how it’s beating everything else really.
Damian Rey 2.0
12-23-2020, 04:14 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I must be a stimulus check because there ain’t enough of me to go around <a href="https://t.co/UHMUt8ifrq">pic.twitter.com/UHMUt8ifrq</a></p>— Ricky Starks (@starkmanjones) <a href="https://twitter.com/starkmanjones/status/1341214370857185281?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 22, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Love this man
Volare
12-23-2020, 05:03 PM
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Mr. Nerfect
12-23-2020, 05:28 PM
So WWE.
Mr. Nerfect
12-23-2020, 05:30 PM
JR owning bitches again on Konnan and Disco’s podcast. He’s CENA NUFF of AEW and bullshit sports entertainment.
Mr. Nerfect
12-23-2020, 05:31 PM
AEW is just like if Vince Russo booked Velocity.
xrodmuc316
12-23-2020, 07:49 PM
WWE makes old pop culture reference, poopoo on them.
AEW does it, OHHHHHHHMUHGAWD AEW IS SO AWESOME AND COOL RIGHT GUYS??????
Triple A
12-23-2020, 07:51 PM
Pumped for the best show in the business tonight!
Bad News Gertner
12-23-2020, 08:18 PM
Yeah man! Can't wait for NXT!
Sepholio
12-23-2020, 08:29 PM
Yeah NXT is gonna be lit.
xrodmuc316
12-23-2020, 09:11 PM
Pumped for the best show in the business tonight!
Miz and Mrs, Damn right!
Mr. Nerfect
12-23-2020, 10:23 PM
NXT has been on fire lately.
Mr. Nerfect
12-24-2020, 01:58 AM
AEW got an NBA lead-in this week. Twitter was alight with people’s impressions of Chris Jericho. Apparently they were not impressed. Someone compared him to Mideon.
This is what people outside the echo chamber think of AEW.
xrodmuc316
12-24-2020, 02:21 AM
AEW got an NBA lead-in this week. Twitter was alight with people’s impressions of Chris Jericho. Apparently they were not impressed. Someone compared him to Mideon.
This is what people outside the echo chamber think of AEW.
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Mr. Nerfect
12-24-2020, 02:28 AM
Oof. Those are even more brutal than the ones I saw. :lol:
TNT’s potential reaction to this is more interesting than anything to do with the actual on-air product.
Maluco
12-24-2020, 07:58 AM
I don’t understand why he doesn’t get in better shape. He always looked great in WWE. You could see in his books how he was sensitive and he always responded to criticism and was very self depreciating.
His ego is out of control and there is no Vince to tell him to sort himself out. No guys in the locker room he is intimidated by or wants to impress. He thinks he can get by on name alone.
A fit Chris Jericho is still a massive boost to any company. He is letting the side down going out there and making the promotion look second rate. He should know that better than anyone.
The funny thing is that "The List" Jericho was not that many years ago. He was in pretty good shape...
Volare
12-24-2020, 12:38 PM
Fuel for the fire....just wait.
Volare
12-24-2020, 01:05 PM
Also promo class time....
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Bad News Gertner
12-24-2020, 01:24 PM
Lmao Jericho looks like a sack a shit and it's terrible optics for a company trying to get noticed
xrodmuc316
12-24-2020, 01:46 PM
Lmao Jericho looks like a sack a shit and it's terrible optics for a company trying to get noticed
I especially liked the NBA fans who saw AEW and instantly knew it sucked and called it "Bootleg WWE".
Real question, if the NBA gets 10 times higher in "Muh Demos" and those 10x more people immediately hated AEW, doesn't that mean they aren't getting any new fans? Sounds like the thing they have preached as the only important metric has just shit all over them.
Bad News Gertner
12-24-2020, 01:55 PM
I don't get how people can defend this. I don't watch either show so I don't have a horse in this race, but come on.
Evil Vito
12-24-2020, 02:06 PM
They could've just sent MJF out solo to do a promo. if an MJF promo doesn't convince you to keep the show on and see what's going on, nothing will.
Bad News Gertner
12-24-2020, 02:37 PM
100%yes, especially if NBA is doing a lead in. He looks and speaks like a star
Volare
12-24-2020, 03:52 PM
I really don't want to go down the rabbit hole that is the NBA...ugh.
Evil Vito
12-24-2020, 04:10 PM
100%yes, especially if NBA is doing a lead in. He looks and speaks like a star
Shit, makes me wish MJF had usurped Jericho from the Inner Circle (as I expect will happen next year).
MJF cutting a great promo that pisses everyone off, Jericho runs out all pissed off and gives him a Judas Effect. Nobody would care that it's a fat guy throwing an elbow, MJF makes you want to see him get his ass kicked by everyone, you live vicariously through whoever it is.
Mr. Nerfect
12-24-2020, 08:27 PM
They fucking suck. Sometimes the truth is real simple. AEW fucking sucks. It is a bad wrestling promotion.
Merry Christmas, shills.
Evil Vito
12-24-2020, 09:40 PM
You fucking suck. Sometimes the truth is real simple. Noid fucking sucks. He is a bad wrestling forum poster.
Merry Christmas, bitchtits.
Emperor Smeat
12-24-2020, 11:18 PM
Trent currently out of action for the next several months due to him suffering a legit pectoral injury recently.
AEW's Trent Barreta is facing some time out of action due to a partially torn pectoral muscle.
"Hey I have a partially torn pec and will be out for months. It’s fine," Trent tweeted on Thursday.
Trent appears to have been injured during a 12-man tag match on last week's episode of Dynamite. The Inner Circle (Chris Jericho, MJF, Sammy Guevara, Santana, Ortiz & Jake Hager) defeated Best Friends (Trent & Chuck Taylor), Top Flight (Darius Martin & Dante Martin) & The Varsity Blondes (Brian Pillman Jr. & Griff Garrison) in that match.
There was an angle on this Wednesday's Dynamite where Trent was shown being taken out by ambulance. Kip Sabian said he was going to reveal he and Penelope Ford's wedding date, but Sabian, Ford, and Miro were interrupted by Best Friends' theme music. Sabian, Ford, and Miro acted concerned before laughing and revealing what really happened. Video was then shown of Trent being put into an ambulance while Taylor and Orange Cassidy looked on.
Mr. Nerfect
12-25-2020, 02:07 AM
You fucking suck. Sometimes the truth is real simple. Noid fucking sucks. He is a bad wrestling forum poster.
Merry Christmas, bitchtits.
You can hate that I am right all you want. It won’t change that I am right or help AEW as they lose 1.25 million off an NBA lead-in. Watch out for the Shaq Attack.
Mr. Nerfect
12-25-2020, 02:13 AM
Rip Rogers is saying that AEW used Flash Flanagan and Dylan Bostic and paid them $80 short of what they were promised.
If true, this is major LolTNA.
Emperor Smeat
12-25-2020, 02:19 AM
Cagematch's website says neither have ever wrestled for AEW so Rip Rogers more likely is lying.
Vastardikai
12-25-2020, 02:52 AM
Because "used" automatically means "for wrestling?"
Flash Flanagan was in a PWI 500 about 20 years ago. It's highly unlikely he is still wrestling.
Mr. Nerfect
12-25-2020, 02:53 AM
Cagematch's website says neither have ever wrestled for AEW so Rip Rogers more likely is lying.
I checked Cagematch and assumed that either their records were incomplete or they were involved in one of their many pull-aparts and brawls. Cagematch often misses a lot of guys' work. For example, a quick search of Dylan Bostic shows a match with Wardlow that they don't have a record of.
Would be an odd thing for Rip Rogers to lie about without intimate knowledge. More likely that he got confused between AEW and another indy promotion.
Mr. Nerfect
12-25-2020, 02:54 AM
Because "used" automatically means "for wrestling?"
Flash Flanagan was in a PWI 500 about 20 years ago. It's highly unlikely he is still wrestling.
Didn't they do a big pull-apart with about 50 guys for Cody and Brodie Lee on the same show they did a big brawl between Moxley and Eddie Kingston where no one came out? I'd check to see if they were in there, but I can't put myself through any AEW.
Emperor Smeat
12-25-2020, 02:55 AM
Or you simply just wanted to brag about something potentially bad happening in AEW that you desperately were hoping to be true based on how you've been acting around here for months.
Mr. Nerfect
12-25-2020, 03:12 AM
Or you simply just wanted to brag about something potentially bad happening in AEW that you desperately were hoping to be true based on how you've been acting around here for months.
You're the one that called the friend and trainer of two guys saying they haven't been a paid a liar, man. Take a look at yourself and get right.
I just relayed what Rip Rogers said. Does he have a reputation for being a known liar in wrestling? Apply Occam's razor here.
Mr. Nerfect
12-25-2020, 03:13 AM
But yes, I do enjoy it when this promotion fucks up and gets a mess on their hands. Because we don't need any more bad wrestling.
Emperor Smeat
12-25-2020, 03:32 AM
You're the one that called the friend and trainer of two guys saying they haven't been a paid a liar, man. Take a look at yourself and get right.
I just relayed what Rip Rogers said. Does he have a reputation for being a known liar in wrestling? Apply Occam's razor here.
Do you have a link to the thing he said so I can check his claims and story out.
Plus you literally said above that there might be holes with his whole story.
Edit: Nevermind found his tweet making that claim. I asked a few people I know to see if they have any info on his story and waiting back on their responses.
Tom Guycott
12-25-2020, 05:24 AM
There are lots of people in AEW who 'feel special' tho...they've done a better job of getting over talent many of us had never heard of/didn't now much about before AEW in one year than WWE has done in years. Off the top of my head MJF, Darby Allin, Sammy Guevara, Ricky Starks, Britt Baker, John Silver, OC, Jungle Boy...
The entire AEW roster isn't doing backflips and dives and superkicks...WWE and NXT in particular features as many, if not more dives, flips and kicks than AEW. I never understand why people think this is some AEW phenomenon.
Even though the critique was primarily about AEW (because that's who Jim Ross works for and was talking about) I didn't limit it to AEW. Read the whole thing again and then go listen to JR's comments again. Don't let the point bypass you because you want to like AEW more than others actually do.
Mr. Nerfect
12-25-2020, 05:43 AM
Do you have a link to the thing he said so I can check his claims and story out.
Plus you literally said above that there might be holes with his whole story.
Edit: Nevermind found his tweet making that claim. I asked a few people I know to see if they have any info on his story and waiting back on their responses.
If there’s something to it, I imagine it’s most likely just a clerical error or the left hand not knowing what the right is doing. It’s just funny because #SloppyShop.
Mr. Nerfect
12-25-2020, 05:45 AM
The reason AEW gets associated with the dives more is probably because their fundamentals are generally shittier. They’ll take anyone. Plus, they have that more PWG “playtime” mentality. And Dave endlessly blows Omega & The Bucks irrationally and way more than any WWE/NXT talent. Although they do have their detractors too.
Triple A
12-25-2020, 06:25 AM
Merry Christmas @everyone. Hoping for some good AEW shows in the coming weeks.
Triple A
12-25-2020, 06:28 AM
Plus, they have that more PWG “playtime” mentality.
PWG is probably the most mainstream-friendly type of wrestling in a "take your friend who has never really liked wrestling and they will probably have a good time" way
Triple A
12-25-2020, 06:32 AM
Nobody thinks wrestling is real... Trying extremely hard to pretend that it is and never doing anything "silly" has limited appeal imo...
Mr. Nerfect
12-25-2020, 10:01 AM
PWG does not have mainstream appeal. When you don’t even try on your performance to engage your audience genuinely, you are not keeping your end of the bargain. It appeals to hardcore wrestling fans in a bubble who feel let in on the ironic joke of wrestling that parodies wrestling. No one else sees the point.
It’s why 1.25 million people tuned out of AEW after the NBA lead-in.
fundiddle
12-25-2020, 11:48 AM
AEW needs to bring in Super Dragon
Volare
12-25-2020, 01:31 PM
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Jordan
12-26-2020, 02:02 PM
I can't stand wrestling fans today. Most of you guys go way back and are not of this current era. I see so many clinging to one set of letters blindly. It could be AEW, NXT or WWE. It doesn't matter, clinging to and claiming one entire brand is "the best" is bullshit. I don't watch any WWE anymore but I don't claim that AEW is the best. AEW has aspects that are the absolute shits. They have other aspects that are keeping me engaged with pro wrestling still. Usually I "agree" with about 70% of what I get from AEW, on a bad week it's about 50/50. I quit watching WWE because the ratio would be around 10% of what I was getting I was in agrreance with, sometimes less. Twitter wrestlingverse is painful and pathetic. The fake "clout" that twitter tools amass from their fandom and blind product worship is probably one of the worst parts of the buisness today. If a company is truly making a product for their loyal fan base, then they are having to bend the knee to the lowest level of comic con neck beards of any product there is. Wrestling fans used to be normal people who had regular lives. Now we have a gigantic propertion of fans who only wear black wrestling t-shirts with their favorite Joshi wank, grown men who devote their bank account to amassing every single piece of merchandise their hard for hero releases, people who seclude themselves in a room full of pizza boxes and TOYS to play crash bam wham with figures meant for children. If the TV advertising was smart they would be able to milk these fans for everything they have if they just threw a Joshi fuck doll or a TNA Knock Out as the face of their products. I used to think that I was the biggest possible fan as I was growing up but now, these trolls got me topped 100x over.
Jordan
12-26-2020, 02:05 PM
Prob should have posted this is 100,000. Also Sasha Banks fans are fucking psycho.
screech
12-26-2020, 05:00 PM
Wrestling Twitter is a dreadful place for the most part.
Mr. Nerfect
12-26-2020, 07:41 PM
Wrestling fans are a big part of the reason wrestling is terrible.
AEW is a manifestation of a lot of that.
Lock Jaw
12-26-2020, 10:05 PM
https://frinkiac.com/img/S15E12/1005129.jpg
Damn wrestling fans, they ruined wrestling!
Jordan
12-26-2020, 10:38 PM
Wrestling Twitter is a dreadful place for the most part.
https://frinkiac.com/img/S15E12/1005129.jpg
Damn wrestling fans, they ruined wrestling!
:rofl:
Mr. Nerfect
12-27-2020, 06:34 PM
Dylan Bostic confirmed Rip Rogers’ story. Rogers doesn’t have the reputation of being a liar, but it’s much easier to attack people with anything bad to say about AEW than it is to accept any negative word about them.
This is why AEW fandom is so annoying to some. I’d be surprised if Meltzer covered this like he would if any other company made this sort of fucked up move. But I doubt Smeat has got it in him to admit he was wrong, AEW is in the wrong and Meltzer is in the wrong if he doesn’t call them on it.
Fuck AEW.
Mr. Nerfect
12-27-2020, 06:59 PM
AEW talent and fans are now piling on Bostic because he dared speak out about his treatment there.
Ricky Starks and Joey Janela are two of the pieces of shit trying to stop this guy telling his own fucking story. They can go straight in the trash.
Emperor Smeat
12-27-2020, 07:00 PM
I'm still waiting on some responses from a few people within wrestling that I asked about. Mostly to get the full story since one other person hinted there was more to the story than what Rip stated. Even Bostic's statement is different than what was mentioned by that person.
Nothing popped up regarding Flash Flanagan while until today the only claim in Bostic's favor was a short clip of him being involved in Darby Allin's body bag entrance from a show last year.
Rogers claims about AEW shortchanging them also didn't match with what others have been saying for some time, both who have worked for AEW and within the sheets, about how AEW pays people for work.
Mr. Nerfect
12-27-2020, 07:03 PM
I'm still waiting on some responses from a few people within wrestling that I asked about. Mostly to get the full story since one other person hinted there was more to the story than what Rip stated. Even Bostic's statement is different than what was mentioned by that person.
Nothing popped up regarding Flash Flanagan while until today the only claim in Bostic's favor was a short clip of him being involved in Darby Allin's body bag entrance from a show last year.
Rogers claims about AEW shortchanging them also didn't match with what others have been saying for some time, both who have worked for AEW and within the sheets, about how AEW pays people for work.
Shut the fuck up, dude. This is a shitty company that dicked around a dude on pay. Keep licking those boots. I bet if the WWE didn’t pay a local talent you’d be all over this.
Emperor Smeat
12-27-2020, 07:14 PM
Nah you shut the fuck up. I gave an answer since you brought up my name in your post.
Him tagging Cornette and not Khan should have been a clue what was his true purpose was for the response. Plus his story has holes in it since he says he "bumped" for AEW while the person who said there was more to the story says he didn't do any ring work.
WWE has cut pay before for local talents.
Emperor Smeat
12-27-2020, 07:40 PM
Voices of Wrestling stated that the paying rate for extras was $80 for the other nights he worked based on their sources.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Not sure what they did wrong anyway. The rate that night was $80.</p>— Voices of Wrestling (@voiceswrestling) <a href="https://twitter.com/voiceswrestling/status/1343285639047999488?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Triple A
12-27-2020, 07:40 PM
I love AEW!!!
IC Champion
12-27-2020, 07:45 PM
I LOVE AAA!!!
What do you have to do to be an extra? Do you need a wrestling background?
Emperor Smeat
12-27-2020, 08:13 PM
At least in WWE's case, they usually just contact local indie people to do some squash matches or be security or extras for planned segments.
They used to get paid very well but then WWE cut the pay in like half a few years ago and don't think it went back to its pre-cut levels. Like it used to be around $400-$500 just to show up for a squash match and maybe a bit less for extras work. Think the day they cut the pay, they didn't bother to inform those people ahead of time.
Mr. Nerfect
12-27-2020, 08:16 PM
Voices of Wrestling stated that the paying rate for extras was $80 for the other nights he worked based on their sources.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Not sure what they did wrong anyway. The rate that night was $80.</p>— Voices of Wrestling (@voiceswrestling) <a href="https://twitter.com/voiceswrestling/status/1343285639047999488?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
$80 for extras is fucking ridiculous. Especially if you’ve been paying guys more than that. If he was taking bumps too and working dark matches, that’s just obscene. It also obviously wasn’t communicated effectively to talent. Rip Rogers, one guy in Louisville, knows of two talents with this experience.
Stop trying to defend this company.
You also have brainwashed AEW wrestlers piling onto the guy using Brodie Lee’s death as an excuse. Fuck each and every one of them.
I think Bostic may have even deleted his tweet. Bullied right back down.
Fuck AEW.
Mr. Nerfect
12-27-2020, 08:18 PM
At least in WWE's case, they usually just contact local indie people to do some squash matches or be security or extras for planned segments.
They used to get paid very well but then WWE cut the pay in like half a few years ago and don't think it went back to its pre-cut levels. Like it used to be around $400-$500 just to show up for a squash match and maybe a bit less for extras work. Think the day they cut the pay, they didn't bother to inform those people ahead of time.
So WWE are pieces of shit too? Fuck them too. But stop trying to put the heat for this onto Vince and the WWE. :lol:
AEW are shitty too. Just fucking say it and be honest.
IC Champion
12-27-2020, 08:19 PM
What do you have to do to be an extra? Do you need a wrestling background?
Traditionally yes, but in AEW you just need to be friends with one of the boys.
Emperor Smeat
12-27-2020, 08:33 PM
$80 for extras is fucking ridiculous. Especially if you’ve been paying guys more than that. If he was taking bumps too and working dark matches, that’s just obscene. It also obviously wasn’t communicated effectively to talent. Rip Rogers, one guy in Louisville, knows of two talents with this experience.
Stop trying to defend this company.
You also have brainwashed AEW wrestlers piling onto the guy using Brodie Lee’s death as an excuse. Fuck each and every one of them.
I think Bostic may have even deleted his tweet. Bullied right back down.
Fuck AEW.
Or he might be fibbing about the extent of his AEW work since supposedly he didn't work any dark matches considering AEW airs all of their dark matches on Youtube, even when they were touring, and he's never shown up in any of it.
Cagematch might have some holes when it comes to smaller indies but that's rarely the case with notable companies.
Voices of Wrestling has someone who worked for AEW when it came to handling their pay and $200 was for the first night for extras since it was a very special night and $80 as the rate for standard shows.
Mr. Nerfect
12-27-2020, 10:54 PM
$80 is fucking obscene. If I got paid $200 one night, I wouldn’t expect my pay to drop to $80. And this was clearly not communicated to talent, since both Dylan Bostic and Flash Flanagan feel stiffed according to Rip Rogers.
And if you want to see AEW wrestlers and fanboys/girls in full flight, fucking wow. The guy has received death threats and been bullied off Twitter. Besides hiding behind Brodie Lee’s death, all the victim-blaming techniques have come out. Britt Baker even said that the way he was dressed probably spurred it on.
Fuck this gross company and anyone that defends them. It’s fucking disgusting.
Triple A
12-27-2020, 10:57 PM
Calm down man
xrodmuc316
12-27-2020, 11:08 PM
The point being missed is not what they ended up paying him, it's that they did not communicate that.
Before having him drive to the next town, they should let him know the pay. I don't know all the details, nor do I really care, but if they led him to believe he was going to make $400 for this 2 days, then they pay him $160, I can certainly understand not being cool with that.
What if the expenses and travel there and back ran him $100? If he was thinking he would bank $300 and instead banked $60, he probably would have decided to pass.
Mr. Nerfect
12-28-2020, 12:17 AM
People get it. They just don't want to say anything bad about that company.
poopfromweiner dude
12-28-2020, 03:55 AM
xrod making a lot of great points in this thread
Mr. Nerfect
12-28-2020, 04:50 AM
Dave Meltzer tried to pass off the Jericho thing as 4 or 5 tweets. And then WWE got the blame for AEW being niche. You can’t make this stuff up.
Evil Vito
12-28-2020, 01:07 PM
AEW lives rent free in Noid's head and it's hilarious.
This debate...errr argument is so fucking silly. Take some chill pills.
With that being said....AEW rules, bitches!
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is amazing, I’m beyond honored to even be considered for this. Thank you <a href="https://twitter.com/outsports?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@outsports</a> ❤️�� <a href="https://t.co/ugS2TT51Sw">https://t.co/ugS2TT51Sw</a></p>— Anthony Bowens (@Bowens_Official) <a href="https://twitter.com/Bowens_Official/status/1343684764201607169?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 28, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Mr. Nerfect
12-29-2020, 04:14 AM
AEW lives rent free in Noid's head and it's hilarious.
I live rent free in TPWW’s head and it’s hilarious.
I couldn’t give a shit if AEW dies anymore, and that’s a sad thing. And most people are with me. This shit blows.
Volare
12-29-2020, 04:26 AM
Nerf...love ya bro..but I'm in the mood...(now that is at 225am Central Time) Who is with you, I know you started your 3 man stable lately but....who else? Just want to see who's on what side of the sand sir.
Volare
12-29-2020, 04:27 AM
Cause I'm the devil in yall's six.
Mr. Nerfect
12-29-2020, 08:10 AM
Can never think of a time my fandom was at such an all-time low.
Supreme Olajuwon
12-29-2020, 10:44 AM
You do seem unhappy
weather vane
12-29-2020, 04:40 PM
Can never think of a time my fandom was at such an all-time low.
Yeah WWE is real bad.
erickman
12-29-2020, 08:55 PM
wonder if aew will have a good ad on impact tonight. i wish bischoff was helping tony do his heel owner thing he kind of looks like dixie carter
Damian Rey 2.0
12-29-2020, 09:03 PM
wonder if aew will have a good ad on impact tonight. i wish bischoff was helping tony do his heel owner thing he kind of looks like dixie carter
I think Tony being a rich nerd who talks shit is a funny bit.
Vastardikai
12-29-2020, 09:55 PM
So, basically AEW fans are the wrestling equivalent of the Snyderverse and Gamergate?
Didn't see that coming (except I totally did. A dude got really pissed off at me when I said Kenny Omega wasn't the best wrestler in the world *yet* a few years ago).
xrodmuc316
12-29-2020, 09:57 PM
Dixie Carter > Tony Khan
Jordan
12-29-2020, 11:42 PM
Really looking forward to the Jon Huber tribute show tomorrow. The card Tony put together is pretty great. I love how it's the Dark Order in every match. It will be a night of remberance and emotion for sure but also they could advance a new direction with The Dark Order. It's gotta be Hangman leading the pack now right? That would elevate everyone.
Evil Vito
12-30-2020, 02:01 AM
I'm all for Hangman getting roped in as the new leader.
Damian Rey 2.0
12-30-2020, 03:19 AM
Matt Hardy going nuts again and turning on Private Party to take leadership of the Dark Order is where I'd go with the group.
Jordan
12-30-2020, 10:22 AM
Matt Hardy going nuts again and turning on Private Party to take leadership of the Dark Order is where I'd go with the group.
That would make a lot of sense actually. Matt and Hangman seem to have started up a feud anyway. Hardy could just go all Hardy Party on Dark Order and "Proclaim to be the new leader", but the followers could be torn as to if they should follow him or Hangman because they could have Silver and Reynolds pushing for Hangman to be the new leader.
Damian Rey 2.0
12-30-2020, 01:59 PM
Yep. It fits. Hardy was floated as a possible leader before Brodie. So it makes sense to move him into the role.
xrodmuc316
12-30-2020, 03:48 PM
Yep. It fits. Hardy was floated as a possible leader before Brodie. So it makes sense to move him into the role.
Wouldn't that make Moxley upset? Somebody turning heel right after real life bad news. Wouldn't want him going on a bunch of podcasts after the fact to complain or anything...
Mr. Nerfect
12-30-2020, 04:59 PM
The Dark Order is the worst faction of all-time. It never should have happened, never should have kept going and exploiting the death of a wrestler to push it is a bad idea. Just let things end.
I’ll see your “Dark Order” and raise you a “Retribution”.
drave
12-30-2020, 05:51 PM
I’ll see your “Dark Order” and raise you a “Retribution”.
Oh god, this. So much this.
xrodmuc316
12-30-2020, 05:51 PM
I’ll see your “Dark Order” and raise you a “Retribution”.
Oh god, this. So much this.
"AEW has a dumb faction"
https://i.imgflip.com/4oq3k4.jpg
drave
12-30-2020, 05:54 PM
I don't watch either. But the execution for Retribution was not well done. And, in my opinion, mishandled way worse than that of Dark Order.
It isn't a "brand war" for me, but something tells me you will have difficulty wrapping around that one.
xrodmuc316
12-30-2020, 06:01 PM
Retribution sucks, 100%. Worse than Dark Order, very much so.
Using WWE sucking to excuse something AEW does however is not a get out of jail free card for AEW. Just because the faction is "not as bad" as Retribution doesn't excuse Dark Order from being a stupid faction.
Truth be told, Brodie Lee made it better, but in the context of continuing the faction absent him, that makes as much sense as WWE continuing Retribution after how bad that has been.
And it's not brand war for me either, it's me mocking brand war by taking up the opposite side.
Retribution sucks, 100%. Worse than Dark Order, very much so.
Using WWE sucking to excuse something AEW does however is not a get out of jail free card for AEW. Just because the faction is "not as bad" as Retribution doesn't excuse Dark Order from being a stupid faction.
And it's not brand war for me either, it's me mocking brand war by taking up the opposite side.
Here we go again.
Nobody here said anything about making excuses for AEW/Dark Order.
Noid said that DO is the worst faction of all time. I pointed out that IMO Retribution is a worse faction right now, let alone all time. You agree with this.
You’re not taking up “the opposite side”.
drave
12-30-2020, 06:19 PM
Retribution sucks, 100%. Worse than Dark Order, very much so.
Using WWE sucking to excuse something AEW does however is not a get out of jail free card for AEW. Just because the faction is "not as bad" as Retribution doesn't excuse Dark Order from being a stupid faction.
Truth be told, Brodie Lee made it better, but in the context of continuing the faction absent him, that makes as much sense as WWE continuing Retribution after how bad that has been.
And it's not brand war for me either, it's me mocking brand war by taking up the opposite side.
Please quote my post where I said anything you just waffled on about.
xrodmuc316
12-30-2020, 06:19 PM
Here we go again.
Nobody here said anything about making excuses for AEW/Dark Order.
Noid said that DO is the worst faction of all time. I pointed out that IMO Retribution is a worse faction right now, let alone all time. You agree with this.
You’re not taking up “the opposite side”.
WWE has nothing to do with Dark Order. Criticism of AEW automatically leading to criticism of WWE is what I am criticizing.
Sorry. When Noid said “Dark Order are the worst faction of all-time” I made the assumption that “all-time” opened the debate to all companies, rather than his use of “all-time” meant “in the 18 months AEW has existed”.
My bad.
Damian Rey 2.0
12-30-2020, 06:56 PM
TIL that FTR, rightfully so imo, were not happy with their build to their match with the Young Bucks. And I have to agree with them. Namely because A) it felt rushed and B) the bucks turning quasi heel and adding that dumb stip that have away the finish. I also think that FTR should've defended the belts since they're the only legitimate heel team still currently on the roster that's championship caliber.
The Bucks should still be heel
They aren't overly likable as faces, at all
If I was Tony Khan I would bring Lord Gertner to be the Bucks mouthpiece, give him the tight pants, streamers and a wig.
Damian Rey 2.0
12-30-2020, 07:04 PM
The Bucks should still be heel
They aren't overly likable as faces, at all
They suck as babyfaces. When they were running down Hangman, they were instantly more interesting. The problem with that is FTR with Tully are also really great heels.
The Bucks being faces against FTR was fine. But they should've lost. And maybe go heel afterwards.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I'm grateful for AEW Dark commentary <a href="https://t.co/4vmsrSNilK">pic.twitter.com/4vmsrSNilK</a></p>— still tired (@Maffewgregg) <a href="https://twitter.com/Maffewgregg/status/1344425879989084167?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 30, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
mike adamle
12-30-2020, 08:40 PM
Am I the only one that has been unimpressed by FTR in AEW so far?
Damian Rey 2.0
12-30-2020, 10:19 PM
I thought they started off really strong but it feels like they were built up solely to lose to the Young Bucks and have had zero direction since.
Volare
12-30-2020, 11:46 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I'm grateful for AEW Dark commentary <a href="https://t.co/4vmsrSNilK">pic.twitter.com/4vmsrSNilK</a></p>— still tired (@Maffewgregg) <a href="https://twitter.com/Maffewgregg/status/1344425879989084167?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 30, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
LMAOOOOOO.
Mr. Nerfect
12-30-2020, 11:47 PM
Retribution is nowhere near as bad as the DO. The DO have been pushed and consistently featured since AEW began. Retribution was a bunch of guys with masks brought in to enhance the current roster. It’s nowhere near as offensive.
You gather all that by yourself from the tweets and clips? At least you haven't stunk up the Dynamite thread...yet.
Ol Dirty Dastard
12-31-2020, 10:18 AM
Retribution is nowhere near as bad as the DO. The DO have been pushed and consistently featured since AEW began. Retribution was a bunch of guys with masks brought in to enhance the current roster. It’s nowhere near as offensive.
I'll make sure your overlord Gertner gives you a rewarding pat on the head for this post.
Retribution is nowhere near as bad as the DO. The DO have been pushed and consistently featured since AEW began. Retribution was a bunch of guys with masks brought in to enhance the current roster. It’s nowhere near as offensive.
That’s half the problem with Retribution; a renegade group hellbent on tearing down WWE but are polite enough not to cause any issues at PPVs, and then leave SmackDown alone before WWE signed them to contracts to appear exclusively on Raw.
This isn’t about being an AEW apologist, I’m really not that passionate about either company, but Retribution is the dirt worst in terms of current factions.
Mr. Nerfect
12-31-2020, 03:08 PM
That’s half the problem with Retribution; a renegade group hellbent on tearing down WWE but are polite enough not to cause any issues at PPVs, and then leave SmackDown alone before WWE signed them to contracts to appear exclusively on Raw.
This isn’t about being an AEW apologist, I’m really not that passionate about either company, but Retribution is the dirt worst in terms of current factions.
They’re actually functional though. They’re there to make the WWE guys look good. They’re not suooosed to be The Shield. They’re there to get their ass kicked. I’m not saying they’re great or I give a shit about them, but they were mainly there to make The Hurt Business look good.
The Dark Order doesn’t make any sense. It’s got a bunch of hacks (at least Retribution has got good talent). They were pushed as main eventers and they just don’t cut the chord with them.
The only stable I will hear in the matter is Aces & Eights, because they were the only one pushed so hard into the main event, but TNA sucks and doesn’t count.
Bad News Gertner
12-31-2020, 03:52 PM
I'll make sure your overlord Gertner gives you a rewarding pat on the head for this post.
Just positive reps for speaking the truth
Mr. Nerfect
12-31-2020, 04:49 PM
Which other stable even comes close? No one can think of any. Very popular to just bash WWE when you’ve got no clue what they’re doing or just believe everything you get filtered through Meltzer, who has that anti-WWE bias.
People have thrown out Retribution. They’re basically a modern Spirit Squad designed to get current guys over. You can debate whether or not that’s been effective, but it’s just not supposed to be some sort of revolutionary angle like people dismiss it for not being.
Any others? Can anyone list a worse faction?
I’ll tell you what, the Inner Circle might be creeping up there.
xrodmuc316
12-31-2020, 05:02 PM
Which other stable even comes close? No one can think of any. Very popular to just bash WWE when you’ve got no clue what they’re doing or just believe everything you get filtered through Meltzer, who has that anti-WWE bias.
People have thrown out Retribution. They’re basically a modern Spirit Squad designed to get current guys over. You can debate whether or not that’s been effective, but it’s just not supposed to be some sort of revolutionary angle like people dismiss it for not being.
Any others? Can anyone list a worse faction?
I’ll tell you what, the Inner Circle might be creeping up there.
For the record, the correct answer is WCW's and Master P's No Limit Soldiers faction. All 3 months of their existence was the worst! :rofl:
Mr. Nerfect
12-31-2020, 05:10 PM
For the record, the correct answer is WCW's and Master P's No Limit Soldiers faction. All 3 months of their existence was the worst! :rofl:
I thought of them, but I don’t remember them being pushed as main event guys. AEW actually wanted The Dark Order to be a thing. That trumps even the No Limit Soldiers.
Lock Jaw
12-31-2020, 05:48 PM
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xrodmuc316
12-31-2020, 06:21 PM
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/prowrestling/images/6/67/LegofNations.png
That led to Del Rio leaving, that has to be considered a good thing :rofl:
Mr. Nerfect
12-31-2020, 06:24 PM
Thought of League of Nations too. Bad and didn’t leave anyone looking better off. Nowhere near as bad as The Dark Order though. Just boring.
Maluco
12-31-2020, 08:17 PM
Loads of terrible ones for WWE over the years.
The Union, The Unamericans, X Factor, Million Dollar Corp...
I think people are obviously overstating Brodie’s run and how good it was. It looked pretty poor to me from what I saw, but he seemed like such a lovely guy who contributed so much to any locker room he was in. That’s what makes it extra sad that he lost his life so young.
Mr. Nerfect
12-31-2020, 08:28 PM
None of those are anywhere near as bad as The Dark Order. MAYBE the Million Dollar Corporation would be a contender. But then you remember The Dark Order with its gimps, bad punches, Evil Uno shirtless, Brodie Lee in homemade gear and the guys that are numbered and it’s like...nah.
If you’re doing a draft, you’re taking MDC every time.
Evil Vito
12-31-2020, 08:43 PM
Maybe Brodie Jr inherits leadership of the Dark Order. He shows up 2-3 times a year and nobody questions the absurdity of an 8 year old running a cult.
Jordan
12-31-2020, 09:34 PM
Dark Order is about to get Rey Mysterio post Eddie Guerrero's sudden passing treatment. These guys are going to get over. There are a few great options for a successor to Brodie as leader of The Dark Order. Matt Hardy could easily make a play for the leader in opposition to Hangman who would likey deny the opportunity even though he'd be the favorite of the actual Dark Order. I think it would fit well for Matt to "force himself" on The Dark Order and further his delusional character while Hangman is eventually compelled to oust him and taker leadership for himself. Another option is Rowan, quite simple, he'd be taking he partners spot and given a big chance to do something he's never had the chance to do. Another option is to have no new leader but to heighten the use of Uno and Grayson as the mouthpiece and have Reynolds and Silver make their way up the tag ranks and eventually bring Gold back to the Dark Order via defeating the Young Bucks and Vance starts to ascend the card and become a more notable star which is definitely within him.
xrodmuc316
12-31-2020, 09:42 PM
Maybe Brodie Jr inherits leadership of the Dark Order. He shows up 2-3 times a year and nobody questions the absurdity of an 8 year old running a cult.
Not even joking, that would be great. It's probably impossible in this day and age to use an 8 year old on TV in pro wrestling, but instantly gave me good memories of early ECW when Raven brainwashed Sandman's kid and they would torment Sandman with it both physically and mentally.
xrodmuc316
12-31-2020, 09:45 PM
Loads of terrible ones for WWE over the years.
The Union, The Unamericans, X Factor, Million Dollar Corp...
I think people are obviously overstating Brodie’s run and how good it was. It looked pretty poor to me from what I saw, but he seemed like such a lovely guy who contributed so much to any locker room he was in. That’s what makes it extra sad that he lost his life so young.
X-Factor had a good theme! And UnAmericans were generic and unoriginal, but certainly not bad at all.
Evil Vito
12-31-2020, 09:52 PM
Dark Order is about to get Rey Mysterio post Eddie Guerrero's sudden passing treatment. These guys are going to get over. There are a few great options for a successor to Brodie as leader of The Dark Order. Matt Hardy could easily make a play for the leader in opposition to Hangman who would likey deny the opportunity even though he'd be the favorite of the actual Dark Order. I think it would fit well for Matt to "force himself" on The Dark Order and further his delusional character while Hangman is eventually compelled to oust him and taker leadership for himself. Another option is Rowan, quite simple, he'd be taking he partners spot and given a big chance to do something he's never had the chance to do. Another option is to have no new leader but to heighten the use of Uno and Grayson as the mouthpiece and have Reynolds and Silver make their way up the tag ranks and eventually bring Gold back to the Dark Order via defeating the Young Bucks and Vance starts to ascend the card and become a more notable star which is definitely within him.
I do think elevating Uno and Grayson in the interim while they figure out what to do is a likely play.
I mean the whole gimmick was initially meant to be Uno’s stable with Grayson as his right hand man. Then when they decided to have an Exalted One they pivoted to Uno being the Exalted One’s right hand man instead and doing his bidding. I guess technically he’d be next in line to be the temporary leader.
Still love the idea of the Dark Order voting on Hangman as the next leader despite him not even entering the running. Hangman’s gonna face Kenny for the belt down the line so screw it, if Dark Order are getting a push it could work hand in hand with Page’s ascension.
Sting Fan
12-31-2020, 10:17 PM
Damn the gymnasatics going on in here to excuse the shittiest WWE stables is impressive. Olympic level.
Worst Stable in wrestling today is still retribution... and if they are only there to get the Hurt Business over well mission failed as they are both channel changing material.
Reminds me of Brian defending shit movies on family guy, so edgey.
Jordan
12-31-2020, 10:27 PM
There are dirt shit stables like Retribution but also headache inducing stables that plauged TV for years like "The Authority". Barf.
screech
12-31-2020, 10:27 PM
If you need proof that Retribution is a shit stable, they haven't been featured on the Hulu cut of RAW in weeks.
And if we're just sticking with comparing them to WWE groups, The Hurt Business has been on almost every week for months.
Evil Vito
12-31-2020, 10:30 PM
In a couple of hours it’ll be the 2 year anniversary of Noid starting this landmark thread in which he’s made over 200 points than the next highest poster. His commitment to the AEW brand is unmatched. AEW’s #1 fan.
screech
12-31-2020, 10:31 PM
Great job, Noid! :y:
In a couple of hours it’ll be the 2 year anniversary of Noid starting this landmark thread in which he’s made over 200 points than the next highest poster. His commitment to the AEW brand is unmatched. AEW’s #1 fan.
Damn good commitment. He deserved to be nominated for wrestling forum poster for his dedication to foreseeing the next covid strand so he can continue to stay home and bitch about wrestling in multiple threads.
Jordan
01-01-2021, 01:06 PM
A list of some things I like and don't like in AEW.
Don't Like -
Jurassic Express. While capable of having fun matches at times overall the gimmick feels stale to me and I'm not a fan of Marko Stunt and Luchasaurus. I find them generally unbelievable and I Iook forward to a change in their direction. I wouldn't renew Marko's contract if I was Tony.
Joey Janella and Sonny Kiss. Joey was a missed opportunity from the beginning of Dynamite. The masses were never really introduced to his insane personality and he was regulated to Dark and job matches on Dynamite until his pairing with Sonny Kiss which makes no sense on any level. Joey had a lot of "underground" momentum from before AEW and it was completely left behind once he signed. Sonny is a really bad wrestler with a cringe gimmick on multiple levels. I understand that "AEW is for everyone" and the push for inclusion but this character is not working on any level. I would not resign either of them if I was Tony.
The PWG style. This includes all of the moves that Excalibur can call that leave JR scratching his head/hat. I absolutely LOVE The Young Bucks when they are on and nailing their awesome high spots. I think that AEW should be more strict when it comes to other teams/wrestlers "stealing moves". Limit super kicks for The Bucks, basically any move the Bucks do, nobody else can do them. It will force more creative matches from everyone else and make their spots more special.
The Women's Division. Shida is okay she's not setting the world on fire by any means. Britt Baker is obviously the best thing going in that division and should be focused on much more. Ana Jay is showing promise, the NWA women seem to be a solid injection. But they really need to stop booking these weak looking women who have no idea what they are doing in a match. It's embarrassing to watch. They could stop trying to have such a large division of women and focus on 8 or 9 girls that can actually work. They should absolutely get Tessa Blanchard and work a deal with Impact to get some women from them like Jordyanne Grace.
Things I love.
Eddie Kingston. He's been one of the MVP's of 2020 and I wouldn't mind a little more of him, even though I can't complain about the air time he does get.
PAC. I love how AEW has built PAC into a main eventer just on hype alone. Get Pac an apt in Florida and have him on TV more, please!
Archer. He's the fucking man. He has got to turn Babyface after seeing him on the Brodie tribute show. Archer is going to have amazing matches with Kenny.
Cody. No complaints out of me. He's a star, he's the man. One of the best babyfaces ever. I am always intrigued thinking about how one day he will get rid of that stipulation and eventually hold the big belt. It will be like when Tommy Dreamer finally won the ECW title. They could even emulate that moment to a certain degree.
MJF. JUST MORE MJF. Especially in the ring. He's. One of the best they have and he just doesn't get enough ring time in my opinion.
Mox. My favorite guy there right now. Big match Jon. I love everything he does. I'm not sure what will be his next program, I would hate to see him lose to Kenny again but it could be another screwjob at Revolution that sets up something else for him.
Overall AEW had a really great year through the pandemic. My favorite show was probably Double or Nothing, followed by Full Gear. DON had so many amazingly entertaining moments, definitely a PPV worth rewatching. AEW evolved quite a bit from 2019-2020, looking forward to what is next in 2021!
IC Champion
01-01-2021, 03:59 PM
Do people actually watch anything other than AEW? Sure half the show sucks, but at least it’s only half the show.
The Bunny streams on twitch.
She's playing Super Mario right now. I'm in love.
https://www.twitch.tv/alliewrestling
Lock Jaw
01-01-2021, 05:00 PM
Just now realized that she was "Cherry Bomb"...... met her once
Volare
01-01-2021, 05:15 PM
The Bunny streams on twitch.
She's playing Super Mario right now. I'm in love.
https://www.twitch.tv/alliewrestling
All of them playing Among Us is pretty funny.
John Silver going to be super over
Over 100 million views for John Silver
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Already at 2.4 million views, has been trending on YT all day
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Sting Fan
01-02-2021, 05:48 AM
All trolling of Noid aside I’m kinda impressed there still making a go of this mid pandemic tbh. I get that bankroll is huge but lack of a true crowd have probably robbed them of some real “moments” driven by crowd reaction.
Feels like there still really having a swing and delivering some cool stuff.
Black Widow
01-02-2021, 05:58 AM
Maybe it's time i start watching AEW.
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erickman
01-02-2021, 08:28 AM
All trolling of Noid aside I’m kinda impressed there still making a go of this mid pandemic tbh. I get that bankroll is huge but lack of a true crowd have probably robbed them of some real “moments” driven by crowd reaction.
Feels like there still really having a swing and delivering some cool stuff.
if you can put up with the noisy ring roh and impact are putting on some good shows.
Maybe it's time i start watching AEW.
nice find. this is good shit
Maybe it's time i start watching AEW.
It's not perfect by any means but it is mostly enjoyable. Some weeks are 'just ok' but when they do have an episode that 'hits it outta the park' those two hours tend to fly by.
AEW possibly moving to Miami for February shows and ppv due to warmer weather
https://wrestletalk.com/news/aew-to-leave-dailys-place-next-month/
Damian Rey 2.0
01-03-2021, 11:36 PM
What are gathering restrictions like in Miami, I wonder. And if they're more lax than Jacksonville, does AEW take advantage?
xrodmuc316
01-03-2021, 11:49 PM
AEW possibly moving to Miami for February shows and ppv due to warmer weather
https://wrestletalk.com/news/aew-to-leave-dailys-place-next-month/
Why doesn't Shad just buy a roof, thought he was SOOOOOOO much richer than Vinny Mac?
What are gathering restrictions like in Miami, I wonder. And if they're more lax than Jacksonville, does AEW take advantage?
Jacksonville is cold right now
I hope Kairi Sane makes her way eventually to AEW.
Why doesn't Shad just buy a roof, thought he was SOOOOOOO much richer than Vinny Mac?
why don't you stop dutch ovening under the covers with nerfect?
screech
01-04-2021, 09:16 AM
why don't you stop dutch ovening under the covers with nerfect?
lol he picks the weirdest shit to try to use as a "gotcha"
#1-norm-fan
01-04-2021, 05:07 PM
Why doesn't Shad just buy a roof, thought he was SOOOOOOO much richer than Vinny Mac?
I’m pretty sure he is much richer than Vince McMahon. Why are you saying it all sarcastic like that?
#1-norm-fan
01-04-2021, 05:08 PM
Another puzzling xrod post that will lead to more puzzling explanations.
xrodmuc316
01-04-2021, 06:47 PM
LOL you guys are so defensive you are dense to the "if you are so rich" joke.
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Volare
01-04-2021, 07:11 PM
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xrodmuc316
01-04-2021, 08:10 PM
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So now they have a developmental show as well? Maybe they can out draw Impact with this one, and cheer themselves on some more :rofl:
#1-norm-fan
01-04-2021, 09:23 PM
“Defensiveness” is DEFINITELY the reason other people can’t understand xrod’s puzzling, desperate “gotchas”.
#1-norm-fan
01-04-2021, 09:30 PM
What is your favorite NFL team, xrod? Is it anyone other than the Ravens?
xrodmuc316
01-04-2021, 10:24 PM
What is your favorite NFL team, xrod? Is it anyone other than the Ravens?
Ewwww bro no way, the Browns!
#1-norm-fan
01-05-2021, 09:10 AM
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xrodmuc316
01-05-2021, 11:40 AM
https://media3.giphy.com/media/cbG9wtoO8QScw/giphy.gif
Genuinely made me laugh :rofl:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Yes, I bought the rights to Tarzan Boy for <a href="https://twitter.com/boy_myth_legend?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@boy_myth_legend</a>’s entrance. Merry Christmas, Jack. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDark?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDark</a></p>— Tony Khan (@TonyKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1346611973841166339?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 6, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
weather vane
01-05-2021, 09:24 PM
Hahaha sick
xrodmuc316
01-05-2021, 10:28 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Yes, I bought the rights to Tarzan Boy for <a href="https://twitter.com/boy_myth_legend?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@boy_myth_legend</a>’s entrance. Merry Christmas, Jack. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDark?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDark</a></p>— Tony Khan (@TonyKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1346611973841166339?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 6, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
He will buy anything!
Volare
01-06-2021, 03:00 AM
He used it for Dark tonight.
Volare
01-06-2021, 11:13 AM
Promo school 101.
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Volare
01-06-2021, 11:48 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Yes, I bought the rights to Tarzan Boy for <a href="https://twitter.com/boy_myth_legend?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@boy_myth_legend</a>’s entrance. Merry Christmas, Jack. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDark?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDark</a></p>— Tony Khan (@TonyKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1346611973841166339?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 6, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Hahaha sick
He used it for Dark tonight.
Start at 1:13....we need crowds back a.s.a.p!!
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Jordan
01-06-2021, 02:06 PM
Man that theme is fucking amazing for him. So pumped to see him walk out with the fans there.
Vastardikai
01-07-2021, 01:27 AM
I will say that the match I actively seeked out was pretty good, but I expected it from the parties involved (Ashley Vox vs. Thunder Rosa).
Damian Rey 2.0
01-07-2021, 02:06 AM
Thunder Rosa is so good. The sooner they can sign her full time and make her the star of the division.
Mr. Nerfect
01-07-2021, 03:32 PM
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Remember when Cody took shots at Triple H for taking photos of all the talent he signed and being there to mug whenever someone won a belt?
xrodmuc316
01-07-2021, 04:58 PM
Remember when Cody took shots at Triple H for taking photos of all the talent he signed and being there to mug whenever someone won a belt?
It's ok though when it happens in AEW. :rofl:
IC Champion
01-07-2021, 11:12 PM
Because AEW is cool and HHH is an old man who sucks. Come on.
xrodmuc316
01-07-2021, 11:26 PM
Because AEW is cool and HHH is an old man who sucks. Come on.
SOOOOOOOOOOO cool lol
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I mean... <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWonTNT?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWonTNT</a> <a href="https://t.co/aDMrGdClIP">pic.twitter.com/aDMrGdClIP</a></p>— TDE Wrestling (@tde_gif) <a href="https://twitter.com/tde_gif/status/1347012046894870528?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 7, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This overhead shot of that Fenix German is amazing. <a href="https://t.co/JWilDRVoU8">pic.twitter.com/JWilDRVoU8</a></p>— Garrett Kidney (@garrettkidney) <a href="https://twitter.com/garrettkidney/status/1347011902057160704?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 7, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
xrodmuc316
01-08-2021, 03:50 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I mean... <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWonTNT?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWonTNT</a> <a href="https://t.co/aDMrGdClIP">pic.twitter.com/aDMrGdClIP</a></p>— TDE Wrestling (@tde_gif) <a href="https://twitter.com/tde_gif/status/1347012046894870528?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 7, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This overhead shot of that Fenix German is amazing. <a href="https://t.co/JWilDRVoU8">pic.twitter.com/JWilDRVoU8</a></p>— Garrett Kidney (@garrettkidney) <a href="https://twitter.com/garrettkidney/status/1347011902057160704?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 7, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Leave it to AEW to take a normal wrestling move and add in some extra flips for no reason :rofl:
Volare
01-08-2021, 04:35 AM
That spot alone beat RAW.
xrodmuc316
01-08-2021, 04:47 AM
That spot alone beat RAW.
Not in the ratings,
or ad rates,
or ad revenue,
or television revenue,
but in unnecessary flippy spots, well yes, yes it did. :y:
Mr. Nerfect
01-08-2021, 04:50 AM
That German suplex spot looks sooooo shitty. Fuck wrestling is so bad now.
Volare
01-08-2021, 05:48 AM
Not in the ratings,
or ad rates,
or ad revenue,
or television revenue,
but in unnecessary flippy spots, well yes, yes it did. :y:
Cause ya know 50+ year old burying talent = ratings and longevity...
Volare
01-08-2021, 05:50 AM
Jungle Boy > Goldberg....sorry.
screech
01-08-2021, 08:23 AM
As a fan I don't give a shit about ratings, ad rates, ad revenue, or television revenue. None of that has any bearing on my enjoyment of the show.
Such a weird way to watch TV (or television, for STD).
Jordan
01-08-2021, 09:54 AM
AEW Dynamite and the German suplex got way more viewers and ratings than Goldberg on Raw. The viewership blew RAW out of the water because WWE falsely reports their viewership. It's not actually real, so AEW won that battle hands down. Also WWE is mostly AI viewership so it just doesn't count. The ratings are hugely misleading because the AI viewership is overtaking RAW in an attempted COUP of the ratings and viewership because they are in fear of AEW, Kenny, the new Jungle Boy entrance theme (and what that really means for WWE) and Sting. Snoop drew the biggest quarter in the demo for his segment much bigger than what WWE falsely recorded for their hit segment with Sheamus on RAw which again was falsely recorded. AEW wins everything every time.
drave
01-08-2021, 11:22 AM
COUPs for everyone!
xrodmuc316
01-08-2021, 11:59 AM
LOL, what does Goldberg have to do with anything?
IC Champion
01-08-2021, 12:26 PM
All I needed to read was Goldberg and world title in the same sentence and know beyond a shadow of doubt I won’t be tuning into a WWE show anytime soon other than the Rumble and possibly mania.
drave
01-08-2021, 12:30 PM
Its almost sign pointing season......
Let the old stars come out in force. Bored by Goldberg tho.
Jordan
01-08-2021, 03:24 PM
LOL, what does Goldberg have to do with anything?
I legitimately do not know.
As a fan I don't give a shit about ratings, ad rates, ad revenue, or television revenue. None of that has any bearing on my enjoyment of the show.
Such a weird way to watch TV (or television, for STD).
Are you sure you’re doing it right?
xrodmuc316
01-08-2021, 05:32 PM
All I needed to read was Goldberg and world title in the same sentence and know beyond a shadow of doubt I won’t be tuning into a WWE show anytime soon other than the Rumble and possibly mania.
You do realize that Royal Rumble is where Goldberg is getting his title match right? :rofl:
xrodmuc316
01-08-2021, 05:36 PM
OOPS! :rofl::rofl::rofl: Banks>Mox
https://www.si.com/wrestling/2021/01/07/best-wrestlers-in-the-world-2020-wwe-aew-njpw
https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/20033479/eeef410e345c6647cb193b864d0293256405a9f0.gif
Jordan
01-08-2021, 05:43 PM
Goddamn we lost the official source of wrestling rankings just deemed it so.
Mr. Nerfect
01-08-2021, 05:55 PM
Cause ya know 50+ year old burying talent = ratings and longevity...
Yes, it does mean ratings. If you build up people underneath with your actually meaningful viewership, you can create stars.
As a fan I don't give a shit about ratings, ad rates, ad revenue, or television revenue. None of that has any bearing on my enjoyment of the show.
Such a weird way to watch TV (or television, for STD).
For some of us, the wrestling has become way more boring than the business of the wrestling. For shame. And before you tell me to move on or whatever — be careful what you wish for. AEW and WWE are dealing with this problem.
AEW Dynamite and the German suplex got way more viewers and ratings than Goldberg on Raw. The viewership blew RAW out of the water because WWE falsely reports their viewership. It's not actually real, so AEW won that battle hands down. Also WWE is mostly AI viewership so it just doesn't count. The ratings are hugely misleading because the AI viewership is overtaking RAW in an attempted COUP of the ratings and viewership because they are in fear of AEW, Kenny, the new Jungle Boy entrance theme (and what that really means for WWE) and Sting. Snoop drew the biggest quarter in the demo for his segment much bigger than what WWE falsely recorded for their hit segment with Sheamus on RAw which again was falsely recorded. AEW wins everything every time.
Haha, I can see you’re starting to see it.
screech
01-08-2021, 07:00 PM
Are you sure you’re doing it right?
You know, maybe I do need to try a new approach.
xrodmuc316
01-08-2021, 07:56 PM
AEW Fans were like "YES WE ARE THE BEST AND HAVE THE BEST WRESTLERS!!!"
But then Sports Illustrated went all Michael Cole...
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/WV7MBHAtxP0/hqdefault.jpg
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
so...wwe posts in an aew thread. pot kettle
xrodmuc316
01-09-2021, 01:48 PM
so...wwe posts in an aew thread. pot kettle
I would ask why are people complaining about WWE using 54 year old Goldberg, but crying with joy over AEW using 61 year old Sting?
I'll answer that, because it's ok when AEW does it.
xrodmuc316
01-09-2021, 01:52 PM
Jungle Boy > Goldberg....sorry.
Jungle Boy > Goldberg....At flips and cosplaying with dinosaurs.
Jordan
01-09-2021, 03:25 PM
And entrance music and lust from girls. AEW has the hottest fans.
Helmsphere
01-09-2021, 03:52 PM
Of course Ultra Mantis nephew is better then Goldberg.
Ultra Mantis
01-09-2021, 05:54 PM
I worked with Goldberg extensively when he had his big character arc playing my crazy new roommate. Guy was very intense. Used to legit punch walls and everything. Said he was doing method. I never smoked method and I've avoided it ever since. Nice enough guy once it wore off and the cameras stopped rolling but we did not keep in touch. No interest in seeing him on my TV in 2021.
Helmsphere
01-09-2021, 08:54 PM
That guy gave me the creeps.
I'm glad we got out of that apartment and won the apartment across the hall. It was such a great moment riding our high horse in there.
drave
01-10-2021, 11:06 AM
I would ask why are people complaining about WWE using 54 year old Goldberg, but crying with joy over AEW using 61 year old Sting?
I'll answer that, because it's ok when AEW does it.
Not everyone has had that same reaction. Don't care for either, TBH. AEW attempting to get more recognition with a "big name". Though said "big name" isn't really a draw IMO, and never really "was". the entire thing has been "meh".
Zero interest in watching Goldberg. His last few performances were so lackluster. Big E has more charisma at this stage in the game. Maybe he won't pull a muscle on the way to the ring. This was announced, and I just let out a big sigh, because of course they would. As long as he isn't in another title match at Mania (which we know he will be c'mon), then whatever.
I'll watch Rumble for the rumble match itself, out of habit more than anything. Usually one of the more fun matches all year.
screech
01-10-2021, 03:06 PM
There's also a difference between bringing in Sting for a program with Cody/Darby and bringing in Goldberg to the World Title picture.
But xrod is too stupid to understand that.
screech
01-10-2021, 03:09 PM
I don't "love" Sting being in AEW, but to compare him there to Goldberg in WWE is dumb as fuck.
But considering the source, this is not shocking.
xrodmuc316
01-10-2021, 04:59 PM
There's also a difference between bringing in Sting for a program with Cody/Darby and bringing in Goldberg to the World Title picture.
But xrod is too stupid to understand that.
Look at Screech, what a great point!!!
You missed something though, I'm not the one who brought Goldberg up. In fact I even asked what Goldberg has to do with anything.
In trying to be "cool insult guy" you agreed with me, although I suppose you are too stupid to understand that ;)
Nice try though!
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