All Elite Wrestling

[Mr. Nerfect]

he has to say something it was his fan that did it

Not a Cornette fan. He was sharing anti-Cornette stuff before he got shut down too. He tagged Corny in a post for attention. Not the same thing.

[Vastardikai]

At this point, I doubt the guard rail jumper and the Twitter Twit are even the same person. Twitter Twit is most likely a Bullet Cult Troll.

[Tom Guycott]

Lol, shades of “69 me, Don!” Classic comedy that. Because it’s a sex act. And sex is funny.

Betthany: "Is sex a joke in heaven?"
Metatron: "Well, from what I understand, it's a joke down here, too!"

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Welcome to the team...<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/theVaristyBlonds?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#theVaristyBlonds</a> - <a href="https://twitter.com/griffgarrison1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@griffgarrison1</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/FlyinBrianJr?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@FlyinBrianJr</a> are <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AllElite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AllElite</a> <a href="https://t.co/j8NqYqzVmp">pic.twitter.com/j8NqYqzVmp</a></p>&mdash; All Elite Wrestling (@AEW) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEW/status/1414680965327245325?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 12, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Tom Guycott]

The funny thing to me is that Pillman Jr. doesn't look nearly as much like his dad to me as he looks like The Miz with actual facial hair and hockey hair. I've never been able to unsee that.

[Tom Guycott]

i don't think he is now i am waiting for cornett to take a crap on him on has show

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[xrodmuc316]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Welcome to the team...<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/theVaristyBlonds?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#theVaristyBlonds</a> - <a href="https://twitter.com/griffgarrison1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@griffgarrison1</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/FlyinBrianJr?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@FlyinBrianJr</a> are <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AllElite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AllElite</a> <a href="https://t.co/j8NqYqzVmp">pic.twitter.com/j8NqYqzVmp</a></p>&mdash; All Elite Wrestling (@AEW) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEW/status/1414680965327245325?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 12, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Werent they already in AEW?

[Bad News Gertner]

I don't believe they were exclusive to AEW

[xrodmuc316]

I don't believe they were exclusive to AEW

Are any of them exclusive to AEW? :rofl:

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This was a bit unexpected. The presale for the AEW Arthur Ashe Stadium is tomorrow. Hope to get my hands on a presale code soon (many of you are asking). <a href="https://t.co/oVBf4oXlCU">pic.twitter.com/oVBf4oXlCU</a></p>&mdash; WrestleTix (@WrestleTix) <a href="https://twitter.com/WrestleTix/status/1415071773515821061?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 13, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Evil Vito]

And the presale starts when I’m scheduled to be in a meeting, doing a presentation. <I>Cooooooool.</I>

[slik]

Announce during the meeting you have "intense diarrhea" and then leave to go get pre-sale tickets

[Evil Vito]

Playing hooky is #ALLELITE

[slik]

Here's a code for you Vito

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">For those wanting tickets to AEW on 9/22 at Arthur Ashe Stadium, the presale is tomorrow starting at 10 a.m. The code is AEW718</p>&mdash; Dave Meltzer (@davemeltzerWON) <a href="https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/1415106611270479874?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 14, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[erickman]

wonder if trip a will do live reports from the ashe stadium

[Triple A]

Will be chilling and enjoying the show calmly

[slik]

Do you think they will have good 'stadium food' at Arthur Ashe...any plans to eat a hot dog??

[Triple A]

They seem to have a lot of fancy food!

https://www.usopen.org/en_US/visit/arthur_ashe_stadium_food.html

Might get a pretzel w/ mustard...

[Supreme Olajuwon]

They seem to have a lot of fancy food!

https://www.usopen.org/en_US/visit/arthur_ashe_stadium_food.html

Might get a pretzel w/ mustard...

Oyster bar seems awesome.

Slurp a couple oysters with maybe some horseradish or a mignonette sauce and then just house a lobster roll.

You’ll be set for life.

[xrodmuc316]

Just don't get a Hot Fudge Sunday

https://youtu.be/G7MgaRS0MIE

G7MgaRS0MIE

[erickman]

They seem to have a lot of fancy food!

https://www.usopen.org/en_US/visit/arthur_ashe_stadium_food.html

Might get a pretzel w/ mustard...

hope they dumb the food down for the wrestling fans want a burger have to order fuku

[Triple A]

The complex where Arthur Ashe Stadium is (the Billie Jean King National Tennis Center) has 2 other smaller stadiums also that seem like they would be cool for wrestling if they ever want to run a smaller place...

Louis Armstrong Stadium (seats 14,000)

https://i.imgur.com/PasyAfw.jpg

The Grandstand (seats 8,000, but is outdoors)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoDnbMkWEAAXc6k.jpg

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It's funny how AEW crowds never hijack or &quot;ruin&quot; shows, especially when AEW crowds are allegedly made up of the kind of smarks that WWE has insisted over the years are the ones who are never happy and will complain about anything</p>&mdash; Voices of Wrestling (@voiceswrestling) <a href="https://twitter.com/voiceswrestling/status/1415194070968934407?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 14, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It's almost as if, and I know this is real crazy so stay with me here, WWE does a lot of dumb shit that people don't like and are busy fighting fans instead of booking for them</p>&mdash; Voices of Wrestling (@voiceswrestling) <a href="https://twitter.com/voiceswrestling/status/1415194536897359872?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 14, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Tom Guycott]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It's funny how AEW crowds never hijack or &quot;ruin&quot; shows, especially when AEW crowds are allegedly made up of the kind of smarks that WWE has insisted over the years are the ones who are never happy and will complain about anything</p>&mdash; Voices of Wrestling (@voiceswrestling) <a href="https://twitter.com/voiceswrestling/status/1415194070968934407?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 14, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It's almost as if, and I know this is real crazy so stay with me here, WWE does a lot of dumb shit that people don't like and are busy fighting fans instead of booking for them</p>&mdash; Voices of Wrestling (@voiceswrestling) <a href="https://twitter.com/voiceswrestling/status/1415194536897359872?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 14, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Two seperate problems, though.

WWE is the bigger brand trying to cast a larger net to get more people to watch... but they're doing it clumsily and insultingly and trying to remove all the wrestling from wrestling almost to the point of parody. But an unaware parody, because they're completely playing it straight by deliberately pushing people fans express active displeasure in, burying people fans get behind, and hiring talent seemingly just off of any buzz they may have generated elsewhere with zero plan to actually use, push, or promote them. They put on shitty shows because they insist on deviating from what made them good to begin with.

AEW, conversely, is putting on the same shit for the niche audience who already watch. They're not going to or apparently trying to grow, and their stupid shit is "on brand" for people who like it already. Doesn't mean it still isn't insulting shit most of the time - it's just "our" insulting shit.

It's like driving through a town with two competing radio staions, one is a ClearChannel pop-py, saccrine top 40, and the other is owned by some local hipster with microbrew money and only plays shit from local country bands in his area because that's what *he* likes. So, unless you want to hear a plethora of either disposable autotuned it-girls or a variety of twangy pickup truck ballads, you're shit out of luck.

TL;DR - AEW fans don't have to hijack shows, because they're already getting their dumb shit fix they expect. WWE fans expect better, but the company is clearly not interested in giving it to them because it's all about what Vince wants and the shareholders expect monetarily.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Two seperate problems, though.

WWE is the bigger brand trying to cast a larger net to get more people to watch... but they're doing it clumsily and insultingly and trying to remove all the wrestling from wrestling almost to the point of parody. But an unaware parody, because they're completely playing it straight by deliberately pushing people fans express active displeasure in, burying people fans get behind, and hiring talent seemingly just off of any buzz they may have generated elsewhere with zero plan to actually use, push, or promote them. They put on shitty shows because they insist on deviating from what made them good to begin with.

AEW, conversely, is putting on the same shit for the niche audience who already watch. They're not going to or apparently trying to grow, and their stupid shit is "on brand" for people who like it already. Doesn't mean it still isn't insulting shit most of the time - it's just "our" insulting shit.

It's like driving through a town with two competing radio staions, one is a ClearChannel pop-py, saccrine top 40, and the other is owned by some local hipster with microbrew money and only plays shit from local country bands in his area because that's what *he* likes. So, unless you want to hear a plethora of either disposable autotuned it-girls or a variety of twangy pickup truck ballads, you're shit out of luck.

TL;DR - AEW fans don't have to hijack shows, because they're already getting their dumb shit fix they expect. WWE fans expect better, but the company is clearly not interested in giving it to them because it's all about what Vince wants and the shareholders expect monetarily.

Dynamite has been a show for less than two years and for 15 of those months they were hampered by a global pandemic that didn’t allow them to tour or have fans. They were just able to start touring again last week. What exactly do you think should have happened differently?

[slik]

I didn't realize Cage has held the FTW belt that long

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Last year at Fyter Fest, <a href="https://twitter.com/MrGMSI_BCage?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MrGMSI_BCage</a> became the first wrestler to hold the FTW Belt since 1999. <br><br>Will <a href="https://twitter.com/starkmanjones?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@starkmanjones</a> be the new champion? Tomorrow night on <a href="https://twitter.com/tntdrama?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@tntdrama</a>. <a href="https://t.co/ZDlztcvgpj">pic.twitter.com/ZDlztcvgpj</a></p>&mdash; All Elite Wrestling on TNT (@AEWonTNT) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEWonTNT/status/1415083654544510976?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 13, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">After an impressive run of matches on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDark?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDark</a> + Elevation, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BestFriends?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BestFriends</a> protege <a href="https://twitter.com/WheelerYuta?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WheelerYuta</a> will make his <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> debut LIVE tomorrow night on TNT vs. one of AEW’s top stars: <a href="https://twitter.com/sammyguevara?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@sammyguevara</a>, returning to the ring for the first time since his classic main event 2 weeks ago! <a href="https://t.co/GOs31VKsH7">pic.twitter.com/GOs31VKsH7</a></p>&mdash; All Elite Wrestling (@AEW) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEW/status/1415143023378411523?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 14, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Evil Vito]

Meeting ended earlier than expected, managed to get seats for Arthur Ashe. Section 134 but in the first row.

https://aviewfrommyseat.com/wallpaper/anonymous-20200216224930.jpg

Seems good. Couldn't get a hold of my only IRL wrassling watching friend to see if he could go as he's away on vacation but bought 2 seats just in case.

If anyone here is waiting to buy later and willing to go solo just PM me and I can sell the seat to you if my friend can't go. Should know next week. Otherwise I'll just throw it on Stubhub if I need to.

[Triple A]

Got tickets in the 100 section also :y:

All the closer tickets seemed to sell out fast

[Bad News Gertner]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It's funny how AEW crowds never hijack or &quot;ruin&quot; shows, especially when AEW crowds are allegedly made up of the kind of smarks that WWE has insisted over the years are the ones who are never happy and will complain about anything</p>&mdash; Voices of Wrestling (@voiceswrestling) <a href="https://twitter.com/voiceswrestling/status/1415194070968934407?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 14, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It's almost as if, and I know this is real crazy so stay with me here, WWE does a lot of dumb shit that people don't like and are busy fighting fans instead of booking for them</p>&mdash; Voices of Wrestling (@voiceswrestling) <a href="https://twitter.com/voiceswrestling/status/1415194536897359872?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 14, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Booking for those fans is also why their viewership has been stagnant.

[Evil Vito]

Got tickets in the 100 section also :y:

All the closer tickets seemed to sell out fast

Ya I had 2 tickets in the lower section selected and by the time I clicked "next" they were gone. Seeing seats go from blue to grey in real time makes the whole thing stressful AF.

But I'm glad with what I got, doesn't really seem there's a bad seat in the place.

[Bad News Gertner]

That's awesome! I can't wait to go see a live wrestling show again.

[slik]

Wrestletix reports tonight show is SOLD OUT for Fyter Fest (4,600 seats)

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I like Brian Cage but Ricky Starks getting to brag about being the V FTE champion seems like a great opportunity to give him more TV time.

[Tom Guycott]

Dynamite has been a show for less than two years and for 15 of those months they were hampered by a global pandemic that didn’t allow them to tour or have fans. They were just able to start touring again last week. What exactly do you think should have happened differently?

What exactly are you asking? Are you asking me what I think AEW should be doing differently or what I think their fans should be doing differently? Because either way, having fans in attendance or AEW touring has little to nothing to do with anything you just quoted from me outside of the concept of live fans hijacking shows. That same pandemic happened across the street to WWE as well, and they didn't tour or have live fans.

On the whole, for AEW, the "they're new" thing is wearing pretty thin as an excuse. Two years is a decent enough time to at least get the concept of writing and booking up to snuff. With the minds they have backstage, there's no reason why overall it should be as bad as it is, but I'd imagine it has to do with criticisims being met with the "yeah, but..." thing Lance Storm talked about TNA telling him when he was asked to critique shows by RoH and TNA talent.

For the fans, again, the reason why they aren't hijacking shows is because they're already getting shit they want.

Outside of that, please don't fall into this "any criticism of AEW is just hating" mindset. "It's been good" is relative. For both companies. Hell, for every company worth mentioning.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol, my interest in wrestling is dipping even lower. How can anyone care about this shit? Ooh, the Best Friends have a protege! Nothing matters. Who honestly gives a fuck about all this stuff just happening?

AEW catering to a bunch of mouth-breathers who are embarrassing to be around is not a good thing for wrestling as a whole. This is the problem ROH had too. There aren’t enough hardcore wrestling nerds left to sustain business on their own. Yet wrestling promotions are doing their best to make sure that they’re the only ones who are going to watch this shit.

[slik]

With the minds they have backstage, there's no reason why overall it should be as bad as it is


What exactly has been bad?

[Mr. Nerfect]

What exactly has been bad?

The shows commit the same cardinal sins as the WWE, by and large.

-Storylines that don’t go anywhere.

-Matches that aren’t important.

-Bad comedy segments.

-Booking so that anyone that feels special very quickly becomes “just another guy.”

[slik]

WWE is the bigger brand trying to cast a larger net to get more people to watch.

What are you talking about? WWE hasn't tried to generate new fans in a decade.



their stupid shit is "on brand" for people who like it already


What stupid shit?

[Mr. Nerfect]

What are you talking about? WWE hasn't tried to generate new fans in a decade.




What stupid shit?

You can’t honestly believe that the WWE hasn’t wanted to generate more fans. You can argue about their ability to do that, but they definitely want a healthy enough base to, you know...exist.

They aim for that average yank. They have big international markets too. You can argue that this homogenization of their product is bad, but they have specifically set themselves up in an attempt to be wrestling’s version of Disney. Their success at that is debatable. Their bottom line is fantastic. How relevant they seem to be in culture is not.

But AEW is no more relevant. It has no more fans. It’s fans aren’t more high-brow or desirable from a marketing standpoint. A high percentage of them are obsessive, and they’re probably less likely to come from a regular slice of American life. The WWE product’s engagement might not be the most intelligent and stimulating of conversations, but their overall reach and popularity is just much...better. It feels way more “normal” for wrestling fans to be WWE fans and just like shirtless Roman Reigns beating everyone and shit.

As far as AEW’s stupid shit goes: The Dark Order still exists. How anyone can defend it at this point, when it’s been there and been awful since the beginning, is beyond me. They’ve fucked up Adam Page. They’ve fucked up Cody Rhodes. They’ve fucked up MJF. They’ve fucked up FTR. They’ve fucked up Christian. They’ve fucked up Team Taz. They let Matt Hardy do things. They give Chris Jericho freedom to follow his worst instincts. Orange Cassidy and Joey Janela have jobs. Michael Nakazawa, Brandon Cutler, Festus and Karl Anderson are featured in the top heel faction. “69 me, Don” is an actual line that was uttered on AEW television.

The show is embarrassed to be actual pro-wrestling. They philosophically can’t admit to themselves that’s what they do, so they have this ironic disposition in relation to it. “You can’t say we’re fake if we’re obvious about being fake.” They don’t realize how that makes them worse. There’s no fidelity to this product. It’s not an honest con. It’s like a preacher telling you that god’s not real, but then still asking for the tithing. It defeats the entire fucking purpose. And that is why you have washed up comedians making Twitter posts about how wrestling is so fucking stupid and if you like it then you’re fucking stupid, and it’s a fair enough gripe even though technically that person is stupid for thinking they even TRY anymore. But it doesn’t matter. It’s not going to absolve them of any stank.

Wrestling without the wrestling part is even worse than wrestling to people, and AEW thinks they can get around that.

[Noid]

It’s laughable how every belt in this company is a world title. Even something as stupid as the FTW Championship. Last I checked, they’ve barely done shows outside of Florida. The IWGP US and IMPACT titles have more credibility than the AEW World Championship.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

What exactly are you asking? Are you asking me what I think AEW should be doing differently or what I think their fans should be doing differently? Because either way, having fans in attendance or AEW touring has little to nothing to do with anything you just quoted from me outside of the concept of live fans hijacking shows. That same pandemic happened across the street to WWE as well, and they didn't tour or have live fans.

On the whole, for AEW, the "they're new" thing is wearing pretty thin as an excuse. Two years is a decent enough time to at least get the concept of writing and booking up to snuff. With the minds they have backstage, there's no reason why overall it should be as bad as it is, but I'd imagine it has to do with criticisims being met with the "yeah, but..." thing Lance Storm talked about TNA telling him when he was asked to critique shows by RoH and TNA talent.

For the fans, again, the reason why they aren't hijacking shows is because they're already getting shit they want.

Outside of that, please don't fall into this "any criticism of AEW is just hating" mindset. "It's been good" is relative. For both companies. Hell, for every company worth mentioning.

I’m asking what you think they should be doing to grow their audience.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I like AEW but I’m definitely not above criticizing it. But in a time where literally almost every business is stalled because of a global pandemic, I don’t think it’s fair to criticize them for not growing beyond their current fanbase.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

If in 3-6 months they’re still where they are, then I will totally agree with you.

[Lock Jaw]

3-6 months is not a long time at all. Nothing will/can change in that short a time.

[slik]

They aren't trying to get new fans.

No wrestling company is trying to get new fans. No wrestling company has tried to get new fans for a decade.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The performative hatred of AEW is really bizarre. It’s almost to the point where people look for reasons to bury the shows without actually watching it.</p>&mdash; SoberWrestling (@SoberWrestling) <a href="https://twitter.com/SoberWrestling/status/1415739098057388036?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 15, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Interesting Read

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So, for the non (or lapsed) wrestling fans, I'm going to explain why this guy is at the centre of the greatest, most agonising, most wholesome pro-wrestling story in years. And it's a story that's about to hit the home stretch. <a href="https://t.co/8RMOYMKXJr">pic.twitter.com/8RMOYMKXJr</a></p>&mdash; Chris Brosnahan (@ChrisBrosnahan) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChrisBrosnahan/status/1411638991343042562?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 4, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[#1-norm-fan]

They STARTED a stable rivalry with a War Games match. You can definitely legitimately criticize their storytelling.

[Noid]

They STARTED a stable rivalry with a War Games match. You can definitely legitimately criticize their storytelling.

I wholeheartedly agree with this criticism. Many wrestling pundits have taken WWE to task for not ending feuds after HIAC.

[slik]

Wow

I figured they would drop against the NBA Finals, good for them

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AEW Dynamite last night on TNT was watched by 1,025,000 viewers on average and 518,000 (a 0.40 rating) among viewers aged 18-49.<br><br>��Read more details and analysis: <a href="https://t.co/XvxVirTMiO">https://t.co/XvxVirTMiO</a> <a href="https://t.co/iWbkHIShqN">pic.twitter.com/iWbkHIShqN</a></p>&mdash; Brandon Thurston (@BrandonThurston) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrandonThurston/status/1415768846565355526?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 15, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AEW Dynamite tops 1 million live and same night viewers last night (1.025M). Tops Raw's 18-49 male demo. Also 0.40 adult 18-49 demo. More at <a href="https://t.co/b30cDz6YY1">https://t.co/b30cDz6YY1</a> later. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a></p>&mdash; Pro Wrestling Torch (@PWTorch) <a href="https://twitter.com/PWTorch/status/1415767923059212294?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 15, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Mr. Nerfect]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The performative hatred of AEW is really bizarre. It’s almost to the point where people look for reasons to bury the shows without actually watching it.</p>&mdash; SoberWrestling (@SoberWrestling) <a href="https://twitter.com/SoberWrestling/status/1415739098057388036?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 15, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Interesting Read

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So, for the non (or lapsed) wrestling fans, I'm going to explain why this guy is at the centre of the greatest, most agonising, most wholesome pro-wrestling story in years. And it's a story that's about to hit the home stretch. <a href="https://t.co/8RMOYMKXJr">pic.twitter.com/8RMOYMKXJr</a></p>&mdash; Chris Brosnahan (@ChrisBrosnahan) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChrisBrosnahan/status/1411638991343042562?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 4, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Their storytelling is HORRIBLE. That apologist basically contradicts themselves in their defense of it, but AEW gets to have its cake and eat it too.

And that’s not an interesting read. It’s a wanky fanfic swoon piece that picks and chooses what part of the narrative told it wants to keep canon. If Kenny Omega is such a great wrestler and “the best” or whatever, then why does he need to cheat to keep the belt? And if the story is about Adam Page believing in himself, why was he such a confident character earlier? It’s a bad story, told bad.

If in 3-6 months they’re still where they are, then I will totally agree with you.

People have been saying that since the start. There’s always some excuse to not be honest about this show’s performance. There’s some carrot to chase and postpone criticism, whilst being “totally honest about it” the whole time, of course.

[xrodmuc316]

They aren't trying to get new fans.

No wrestling company is trying to get new fans. No wrestling company has tried to get new fans for a decade.

Bingo.

And I think that is where a lot of AEW Apologists miss the point of any and all criticism. AEW had a chance to be something different and new. Instead they try to act like a continuation of WCW and an improved NJPW, when they come off far more like Impact and WWE.

AEW was hyped as a serious and more sportslike show, and then they gave us some of the most ridiculous gimmick matches and over the top characters that would have made 1980's WWE fans shake their heads with nonbelief.

How can they attract any new fans with what they are presenting? This is a setting where Dinosaurs, Aliens, Pandas, and Zombies all exist. Where an announcer is sporting a lucha mask, where they perform gymnastic chronographed dance routines in place of actual matches, and where they BOTH have YouTube shows where the wrestling matches count, and a YouTube show that is a wink wink joke at the entire thing. Where they both portray a wrestler as a Wildman from the jungle AND the son of a famous actor.

Wrestling fans can ignore this and find entertainment because we have been accepting nonsensical stuff like this for years.

You get somebody to tune in who is not a fan of professional wrestling, and they see a sparkler show, or painted cardboard, or a fall into a hot tub of Orange Juice match, they sure arent getting hooked, they are gonna snark at it and change the channel.

AEW is good for what it is, but for what they promised and could have been, what they delivered and what the are is why they are not attracting any kind of outside Audience.

[erickman]

The complex where Arthur Ashe Stadium is (the Billie Jean King National Tennis Center) has 2 other smaller stadiums also that seem like they would be cool for wrestling if they ever want to run a smaller place...

Louis Armstrong Stadium (seats 14,000)

https://i.imgur.com/PasyAfw.jpg

The Grandstand (seats 8,000, but is outdoors)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoDnbMkWEAAXc6k.jpg

that is aplace made foe boxing wrestling or mma i am surprised they did not use that place before

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The most-viewed quarter of AEW Dynamite last night was 9:15-9:30pm w/ 1,133,000 viewers, featuring the Britt Baker live promo &amp; Sammy Guevara vs. Wheeler YUTA.<br><br>The high for 18-49 was 8:45-9:00, which included the Omega-Adam Page angle.<br><br>��Full breakdown: <a href="https://t.co/Zrjbzz8lUq">https://t.co/Zrjbzz8lUq</a> <a href="https://t.co/t7kifU9CPp">pic.twitter.com/t7kifU9CPp</a></p>&mdash; Brandon Thurston (@BrandonThurston) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrandonThurston/status/1415844081947795456?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 16, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[weather vane]

That’s a nice number. Love AEW. Good job.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Good for them. Hopefully they can keep it up. Having live crowds back and those crowds being red hot certainly enhances the viewing experience.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEW</a> Arthur Ashe Stadium show is off to a hot start. 18 minutes in and tickets are almost gone (of what they opened up so far).<br><br>They added 5 sections on the upper deck (332-337) that account for 2,272 tickets. All are just about gone. <a href="https://t.co/yRCOtL75Yu">https://t.co/yRCOtL75Yu</a> <a href="https://t.co/tzL3AMWWCb">pic.twitter.com/tzL3AMWWCb</a></p>&mdash; WrestleTix (@WrestleTix) <a href="https://twitter.com/WrestleTix/status/1416039942522818562?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 16, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The thing about selling out places like the Arthur Ashe stadium is that AEW can show the printout of the ticket sales to other venues that might be on the fence about hosting a non-WWE show or even Pro Wrestling in general. Also, other venues might take notice &amp; offer AEW dates</p>&mdash; SoDuTw (@SoDuTw) <a href="https://twitter.com/SoDuTw/status/1416040485156794372?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 16, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Jordan]

Goddamn the prices on ticket master are absurdly expensive

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">People legitimately spend their limited time on a spinning rock doing shit like this? Truly, truly fascinating. Sooo many people view a wrestling company like they’re a loved family member and “defend” them. Why in the hell so you care?</p>&mdash; BigBuse (@BigBuse) <a href="https://twitter.com/BigBuse/status/1416121867463761928?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 16, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Evil Vito]

I'm glad I was able to get face value Ashe tickets in the pre-sale, well plus the ass plundering Ticketmaster fees of course.

They'll have a big crowd BUT they seem to have fucked up by insisting on doing a stage. Could've had a whole extra quarter of the building open.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AEW Dynamite: Grand Slam (final update for the day)<br>Wed • Sep 22 • 7:00 PM<br>Arthur Ashe Stadium, Flushing, NY<br><br>Available Tickets =&gt; 1,999<br>Estimated Capacity =&gt; 17,164<br>Tickets Distributed =&gt; 15,165 (88%)<br><br>A very good day for AEW.<a href="https://t.co/yRCOtL75Yu">https://t.co/yRCOtL75Yu</a> <a href="https://t.co/TslT5YCvH5">pic.twitter.com/TslT5YCvH5</a></p>&mdash; WrestleTix (@WrestleTix) <a href="https://twitter.com/WrestleTix/status/1416200365419204616?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 17, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Sting Fan]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AEW Dynamite: Grand Slam (final update for the day)<br>Wed • Sep 22 • 7:00 PM<br>Arthur Ashe Stadium, Flushing, NY<br><br>Available Tickets =&gt; 1,999<br>Estimated Capacity =&gt; 17,164<br>Tickets Distributed =&gt; 15,165 (88%)<br><br>A very good day for AEW.<a href="https://t.co/yRCOtL75Yu">https://t.co/yRCOtL75Yu</a> <a href="https://t.co/TslT5YCvH5">pic.twitter.com/TslT5YCvH5</a></p>&mdash; WrestleTix (@WrestleTix) <a href="https://twitter.com/WrestleTix/status/1416200365419204616?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 17, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Clearly fake, AEW is terrible just ask some guy on the internet…

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Read how AEW will sell over 50,000 tickets in September <a href="https://t.co/UJDDE2TpnC">https://t.co/UJDDE2TpnC</a><a href="https://twitter.com/TwoManPowerTrip?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TwoManPowerTrip</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/WrestleTix?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WrestleTix</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/wrestlenomics?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@wrestlenomics</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/iamjohnpollock?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@iamjohnpollock</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/HeelWillMahoney?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@HeelWillMahoney</a> <a href="https://t.co/wFfRgQsbSj">pic.twitter.com/wFfRgQsbSj</a></p>&mdash; Lavie Margolin (@Laviemarg) <a href="https://twitter.com/Laviemarg/status/1416106888446500878?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 16, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[xrodmuc316]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">People legitimately spend their limited time on a spinning rock doing shit like this? Truly, truly fascinating. Sooo many people view a wrestling company like they’re a loved family member and “defend” them. Why in the hell so you care?</p>&mdash; BigBuse (@BigBuse) <a href="https://twitter.com/BigBuse/status/1416121867463761928?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 16, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I'm not even sure which one of the tweets he is complaining about.

Framing a lie like it's an accomplishment or needing to point out something that trivial.

[#1-norm-fan]

Pretty sure it’s directed toward the guy who freaked out because he saw something that could be considered positive about AEW and desperately went into defensive mode and came up with a ridiculous retort so he could sleep at night.

A very rare occurrence that certainly never happens on TPWW. I can see why you’re puzzled.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is what pro wrestling is all about. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEW</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NewSouth?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NewSouth</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DarkOrder?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#DarkOrder</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/X?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#X</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Hayden?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Hayden</a> <a href="https://t.co/kGfRvPypTu">pic.twitter.com/kGfRvPypTu</a></p>&mdash; Pres10 (@Pres10Vance) <a href="https://twitter.com/Pres10Vance/status/1416865378429513729?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 18, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[drave]

I just like the stock.

[xrodmuc316]

Pretty sure it’s directed toward the guy who freaked out because he saw something that could be considered positive about AEW and desperately went into defensive mode and came up with a ridiculous retort so he could sleep at night.

A very rare occurrence that certainly never happens on TPWW. I can see why you’re puzzled.

Freaked out? He was pretty levelheaded. He even qualified his statement. He certainly didnt throw around terms like "mental gymnastics".

In fact now I do know which tweet the third guy is mad at, the one that pointed out a an incorrect statement made, which drove him into rage Cultist mode about something " truly truly fascinating " and how dare somebody be so loyal to a wrestling company like it is family, while smugly doing the exact same thing.

[drave]

stop having fun over there!!

[#1-norm-fan]

“Rage cultist mode”, he says.

[Fignuts]

Eh, I'm with xrod on this. Guy might be guilty of trying to flex his obscure wrestling match knowledge, but nothing in his post indicates he's upset or even trying to defend wwe.

[Fignuts]

Actually fuck it, I'm gonna reply to the guy and tell him that.

[xrodmuc316]

“Rage cultist mode”, he says.

His reply was far more visceral than the nerdy guy pointing out obscure but true facts.

[Fignuts]

How is it a big leap dave?

Be a man and discuss it here, not in rep messages.

[Noid]

No amount of pansy ass forbidden doors will ever top tonight's main event. This is how you do a PPV title match.

[GD]

How is it a big leap dave?

Be a man and discuss it here, not in rep messages.

I've got nothing, Fignuts. Was trying to spur some drama and immediately lost interest. Sorry.

[#1-norm-fan]

His intentions could have been more innocent but that “MUST COMBAT THIS POSITIVE AEW POST” thing is rampant on Twitter and that would fall right in line with it.

And when I say “freak out” when referring to them, it’s less about a use of all caps or angry language and more about the vibe that comes with the desperate need to shut down any and all positive AEW references. You can practically see the veins popping out in their head as they type as fast as they can do that this pro-AEW comment isn’t seen by one more person without their petty rebuttal.

Xrod may have tried to be subtle with his response to that tweet. It was really just a chance for him to clarify that the first guy WAS in fact lying by saying Britt Baker never had a run in WWE. Lol

[Fignuts]

Anyone who loves and obsesses over anything, whether it's wrestling, cars, sports, etc, and sees a false statement about it, is going to have an almost uncontrollable urge to correct it. It's practically human nature. There's not necessarily a bias attached to it.

Also a quick skim of the guy's Twitter tells me that while he is mainly a wwe fan, he is fairly objective and unafraid to criticize them. And when he does mention aew, it's mostly positive.

Guy just likes what he likes, and makes no attempt to drag down the stuff he's not into. Far cry from the "aew hater" he's being made out to be. Actually seems like a pretty nice guy. I might follow him.

[drave]

Pffft, y'all stop liking stuff over there without permission from the fun Gods k?


Thanks,


Mgmt.

[xrodmuc316]

His intentions could have been more innocent but that “MUST COMBAT THIS POSITIVE AEW POST” thing is rampant on Twitter and that would fall right in line with it.

And when I say “freak out” when referring to them, it’s less about a use of all caps or angry language and more about the vibe that comes with the desperate need to shut down any and all positive AEW references. You can practically see the veins popping out in their head as they type as fast as they can do that this pro-AEW comment isn’t seen by one more person without their petty rebuttal.

Xrod may have tried to be subtle with his response to that tweet. It was really just a chance for him to clarify that the first guy WAS in fact lying by saying Britt Baker never had a run in WWE. Lol

Sean Ross Sapp, of fightful.com, who covers wrestling professionally, should be corrected if he incorrectly post something. He should know the history of the subject matter he is posting about. The guy did it the right way, was respectful, even if it comes across as a nerdy stat knowing guy.

Just because it was a Positive Pro AEW post, doesn't mean that incorrect information has to be taken as gospel. I said Sean Ross Sapp is lying because I would like to think somebody who covers wrestling would know about wrestling. That is not Pro or Anti any promotion, and certainly nothing that should cause anybody distress.

[#1-norm-fan]

So you don’t find the “correction” trivial then?

[Lock Jaw]

Arguing about it for so many posts is trivial for sure

[xrodmuc316]

So you don’t find the “correction” trivial then?

I think it is trivial, yes. I just don't think it was done to discredit a Pro AEW tweet. To me it was just a guy adding to the topic by including his knowledge of wrestling.

[drave]

For everyone who does it better, they should just put their money where their... keystrokes (lol) are and DO it better. Shit better be infallible, 100% of the time too.

[#1-norm-fan]

So he should have been “corrected” but also it was trivial to do so. Got it.

[#1-norm-fan]

Arguing about it for so many posts is trivial for sure

Just wait until we get into what constitutes a “run”!

[Fignuts]

So you don’t find the “correction” trivial then?

Of course it's trivial. I'm not arguing against that. I'm arguing that it's not indicative of hate for aew or love of WWE, but rather just being a nerd about facts on a subject they care about.

And I'm not saying that people you describe don't exist because they absolutely do. I'm just saying people shouldn't jump to conclusions and make assumptions.

[Fignuts]

So he should have been “corrected” but also it was trivial to do so. Got it.

If something false is stated as fact, it should always be corrected, no matter how trivial it is.

Or else the heathens win.

[#1-norm-fan]

That was directed toward Xrod who seems to find it trivial and also necessary.

[Fignuts]

Arguing about it for so many posts is trivial for sure

90% of the posts on this forum are trivial. Who cares?

[#1-norm-fan]

The entire REASON it’s trivial is because it’s a stretch to consider it a lie and ultimately his point remains the same.

And that’s where we get into what a true “run” is, which is where shit gets super fun.

[#1-norm-fan]

(I was kidding about that last part. I’m not going to argue what a “run” consists of. If Sean Whatshisname doesn’t consider a couple developmental jobber appearances a “run” though, I don’t think he’s a liar. Call me crazy.)

[Fignuts]

The entire REASON it’s trivial is because it’s a stretch to consider it a lie and ultimately his point remains the same.

And that’s where we get into what a true “run” is, which is where shit gets super fun.

I don't care about any of that. You can argue that it's trivial, or even that he's wrong in that it doesn't count as a run.

I just don't like labels being put on people based on assumptions. Especially when it takes very little effort to see what kind of person they are, and get a better idea of their post's intentions.

[xrodmuc316]

That was directed toward Xrod who seems to find it trivial and also necessary.

I never said it was necessary, I said it was trivial in my first post about it. My initial thinking was the 3rd tweet could be bothered by either the little lie or the needing to point out such a little lie, both of which were occurrences so small that they did not warrant such an angry tweet from the 3rd guy.

In this case you introduced the idea that the guy pointing out the technicality was only doing so to rally against AEW. I think he just did it because he wanted to point out something he knew.

Nothing in his post was bashing, or trying to disparage anything.

That said, a professional reporter should be corrected because he is a professional reporter, regardless of the subject matter.

I know that sounds the same as "necessary" in this specific case, but that is me making a blanket statement. If a reporter reports Joe Biden never ran for President until 2020, and somebody pointed out that he was in the 1988 Democratic primary, a 3rd tweet belittling the 2nd tweet as an anti Democrat/pro Republican would be just as absurd as getting mad at this guy pointing out Britt Baker's history.

[Tom Guycott]

I’m asking what you think they should be doing to grow their audience.

I like AEW but I’m definitely not above criticizing it. But in a time where literally almost every business is stalled because of a global pandemic, I don’t think it’s fair to criticize them for not growing beyond their current fanbase.

If in 3-6 months they’re still where they are, then I will totally agree with you.

At least you're talking like you got sense instead of coming at me out of some emotional haze:

I realize that a lot of what I'm going to say will come off as "Cornette-ish", and part of that is because even with expletive filled tirades, he is often more concise in how I feel about shit, and takes about two sentences and a smartass joke in what I would cover in about a paragraph and a half just to get to the same juncture. I will try to hit the more evergreen points and not jump on anyone in particular, but the focus of the endeavor as a whole from watching.

The first problem is the juxtaposition of what they intitally promised: "a sports based presentation", and what we get is consistent high spots and people cutting each other off in promos. It's similar to when TNA started, and they essentially assumed all the "lapsed fans" disillusioned with WWE and that stopped watching after WCW folded would migrate back, but consistently did shit to make themselves WWE-lite... except here, AEW is catering to fans who are already watching. They were already on the boat when Bullet Club was huge. They were habit watching WWE. They were super into what was going down in NJPW and RoH and MLW and AAA and even NWA, if you can find it.

Second, they try to cram too much into that time. It's like they try to feature as many people as they can, and all those guys have to "get their shit in". On top of that, they veer too heavy into the words of Cody Rhodes ("tired old tropes") with faces and heels supposedly not being a thing (super ironic with stuff like the recent white suit/black suit vs Tommy End)... so most of the roster are supposed to be tweeners? In his short career, Will Hobbs has already given Big Show a run for his money with changing sides.

People killed WWE for YEARS with their steer towards 50/50 booking, but yet everyone in AEW is "competitive" from curtain jerking nobody to EVP to recent WWE castoff acquisition. There is no real visual heirichy. Let me pull an example from WCW for what I mean by this - I used to hate Konnan back then. I had zero idea about the Max Moon shit or that he was essentially Mexican Hulk Hogan before that. And for the sake of my statement, I will omit the part where his whole "stereotypical 90's gangbanger" gimmick rubbed me the wrong way. Different issue for a different day.... WCW consistently presented him as jobber to the *real* stars, and he only got wins over the other jobbers on WorldWide. What made it worse was that he'd promo, and his talking ability is great, but he'd do nothing but talk shit, and it usually came before he got his ass kicked. Nearly every time he got on the mic, he was about to get beat up or run away; not even cheat to win or doing something to get heat. So the perception was that he was just some shithead coward who couldn't back up what he said in any way and was only marginally better than Jerry Flynn or Roadblock. This is how AEW presents nearly their entire roster. The stars are only marginally better than the not-stars. Unless you're one of the EVPs, of course.

They run angles where they *need* you to watch clips on YouTube to get what's going on, or even who somebody is sometimes. The internet is a powerful tool, but in the case of a television show, you shouldn't need an auxiliary compendium to know what is going on half the time. [addendum: It's kinda like when Destiny first came out: the game had very little in the way of in-game lore - you had to go to Bungie's website and read shit outside of playing. You shouldn't have to stop playing the game to go read a blog about the game you're playing to understand what's happening in that game... same with AEW. You shouldn't have to watch YouTube clips. That content should be included on the show you're already watching.] This is similar to WWE's Hulu version of RAW, where there's shit missing from the program in the supposed interest of time. Cutting entrances and pageantry is one thing, but editing promos, shortening matches, and completely cutting segments from the broadcast doesn't provide continuity. Same with AEW. It's one thing to chuckle at in inside joke from BTE that is on the show because you're a fan and you watch both, but quite another to not know person X is feuding with person Y because they spilled grape juice on them in one of the sketches. Or that spilled grape juice is a big enough of incentive to have a barbwire deathmatch next week on Dynamite. WWE *used* to subscribe to the notion of "every show is someone's first time". Even they moved away from that, and everyone else seemed to follow suit. Now everyone's attitude is more like "IYKYK". And if anyone had to look that up, that should illustrate my point here perfectly.

That leads to what you have in the way of a "build" for feuds. They start with "big" matches with stipulations, and work their way down to a regular 3 count bout. Adding to that frustration, they want to jizz out everything at once. Something that could be padded and planned and teased and executed to draw people in and make folks care over the course of about four months takes place in the span of like three shows. It's like they don't want to let shit breathe because they're afraid folks have short attention spans and will wander off elsewhere... which ironically means they cater to people with short attention spans that will wander off elsewhere if they don't have people diving through the ropes in every match or everyone powering through 800 finishers that should end a match or having a backstage fight and/or segment that breaks down into chaos pretty much every week.

I know I said I didn't want to single anyone out, but a great encapsulation is one Orange Cassidy. Whether you think he is awesome or stupid, the overall issue is that his ENTIRE gimmick is one big in-joke. Be it fans that actually like him or like him ironically, it wasn't like he tapped into some intangible charisma like a Darby Allin, or when Adam Page was doing "Cowboy Shit!" to the adoration of crowds... he's just doing a thing that's "funny" to people who already find it "funny". And if you were sitting in a room watching AEW and someone who has never watched or hasn't watched wrestling in years came in while you were watching him go through is sloth routine and effortless shin kicks with zero context (like context was ever given to begin with), do you *really* think that will draw this potential new viewer in? If your answer is yes, you have either been living in the same vacuum they live in themselves or you just want to be contrarian and not admit that they aren't nearly as perfect a production as they seem to think they are.

The first step towards improving ANYTHING though is to stop pretending that it doesn't need improvement. People saying "it's good" doesn't mean that it can't be better. Even by a little bit. Like I said originally, fans aren't going to hijack AEW because they're already filling the desires of the audience they already have had since the original ALL IN event. While WWE is trying to present itself as some sort of hybrid reality TV only tangentially related to wrestling in pursuit of the larges global reach possible and forgoing a lot of the wrestling fans that got them to the dance to begin with, AEW have propped themselves up in the opposite direction and built a tree fort style castle around the niche smark army ready to tell them that EVERYTHING they're doing is fine just so they can come climb into the clubhouse too.

[Noid]

Bravo! I did not expect to see such a beautiful post in this echo chamber of a forum. I will revisit it when I lose faith in these mouth breathers.

[Vastardikai]

I find that a LOT of the Bullet Cult are incapable of A. Acknowledging that there even are any flaws in the AEW product, B. Defend the product without mentioning WWE doing something stupid, or C. Defend the product without acting like Jim Cornette, a heel manager, being humiliated by a guy in a ninja turtle outfit on the 2nd match of a minor show at the local rec center is the EXACT SAME THING as Kenny Omega, the WORLD FUCKING CHAMPION, telling his manager to 69 him in the middle of the ring during a major segment on National Television.

[slik]

A) People discuss their flaws while watching the show when they happen, just like they do for WWE.

B) WWE is a hot mess most of the time and does do a lot of stupid things, as the largest wrestling company in the world it's not weird to cross-reference them when responding to people disliking the many good things AEW does in comparison.

C) It's weird when people act like AEW fans are all obsessed with Omega (and the Young Bucks). Those aren't really the wrestlers that get tons of love here, most of us like wrestlers who we weren't familiar with pre-AEW primarily.

[drave]

D) I like the stock

[drave]

In all honesty, I'm not 100% what it is, but I don't find myself wanting to change the channel every 10 minutes with AEW, unless the ladies are on. Their women division blows.


WWE gave me a seizure during the Drew/Jinder segment. They should 100% stop that.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Anyone who loves and obsesses over anything, whether it's wrestling, cars, sports, etc, and sees a false statement about it, is going to have an almost uncontrollable urge to correct it. It's practically human nature. There's not necessarily a bias attached to it.

Also a quick skim of the guy's Twitter tells me that while he is mainly a wwe fan, he is fairly objective and unafraid to criticize them. And when he does mention aew, it's mostly positive.

Guy just likes what he likes, and makes no attempt to drag down the stuff he's not into. Far cry from the "aew hater" he's being made out to be. Actually seems like a pretty nice guy. I might follow him.

You cannot say anything out of line with the “AEW is taking over” narrative. People will say you can and make all sorts of excuses as to why they attack you, but it absolutely happens. There are obviously going to be nutters on each side, but anyone who tells you that it’s “freaking out” to make even a trivial correction is not being intellectually honest about the whole thing.

People want to take ownership of things they enjoy sometimes. I desperately want wrestling to not be shitty too. That’s almost natural. But when they take ownership and feel that being threatened, they go absolutely nuts. Its theirs and they will fight for it if you don’t put it on a pedestal. That’s when it gets fun, because there is no reasonable place for these people to go but insults, fake accounts or a holier-than-thou attitude.

And yeah, I know I present myself as an arrogant ass on here too. That’s because I believe in my opinions and try as best I can to line them up with facts. That’s what’s really threatening to some people. Reality is the harshest cure to fantasy sometimes.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Anyway, has this thing been cancelled yet? It only gets 1 million viewers every week. Throw it in the trash and let wrestling die.

[Noid]

I don't get Kenny Omega's appeal. Sure he's meta and very outlandish. But he's the promotion's champion and his looks and gimmick reek of mid-card graveyard.

[Noid]

If he's looking for relevancy in America, alienating half of the people is not a good start. He's also such a dork for tailoring his look after Harley Race. He doesn't even look or feel like a champion.

[Tom Guycott]

In all honesty, I'm not 100% what it is, but I don't find myself wanting to change the channel every 10 minutes with AEW, unless the ladies are on. Their women division blows.


WWE gave me a seizure during the Drew/Jinder segment. They should 100% stop that.

I actually think that AEW (and Impact, tangentially speaking) picked up some production truck castoffs that sat under the learning tree of Dunn at some point as well. Granted, it is not NEARLY AS BAD as crashing to a rotation of four different camera angles every one or two seconds that WWE has devolved to, but they also have had points where they try to create action where there supposedly "isn't enough" already going on in the ring. That is a trend they definitely SHOULD NOT CONTINUE TO EMULATE from big brother Vince. Someone needs to go through their truck with a rolled up newspaper and start smacking these guys on the nose and shout "NO!".

[Tom Guycott]

I don't get Kenny Omega's appeal. Sure he's meta and very outlandish. But he's the promotion's champion and his looks and gimmick reek of mid-card graveyard.

The funny thing is that I have almost the same opinion of Omega as I have about HHH. He's actually good, but not as good as he thinks he is or not nearly as good as the people around him tell him he is. Except I'd argue HHH has a better mind for the business, even though he has had his share of pulling dumb shit.

It is weird, because back when there was the whole uncertanty with what he was going to do post NJPW and heavy signals pointing towards him going to WWE, I felt that it would be both a perfect fit and a big mistake. He is tailor made for all the hokey bullshit WWE would do. He could pull off the verbose, overscripted promos because it sounds like he does already. He has the physique to draw Vince's attention. He had the buzz to be presented as a big deal on the main roster from day one. And he can go in the ring well enough, especially with people who also know what the fuck they're doing... but there is a part of me believes that there would have been this weird friction between him and HHH because they're too much like the same person.

Also, it feels like if the roles were reversed, almost this exact scenario would still have played out if Kenny were the old semi-retired executive and Hunter were in his prime and being touted as The Second Coming by the indie fans.

[xrodmuc316]

Oh

[Mr. Nerfect]

The funny thing is that I have almost the same opinion of Omega as I have about HHH. He's actually good, but not as good as he thinks he is or not nearly as good as the people around him tell him he is. Except I'd argue HHH has a better mind for the business, even though he has had his share of pulling dumb shit.

It is weird, because back when there was the whole uncertanty with what he was going to do post NJPW and heavy signals pointing towards him going to WWE, I felt that it would be both a perfect fit and a big mistake. He is tailor made for all the hokey bullshit WWE would do. He could pull off the verbose, overscripted promos because it sounds like he does already. He has the physique to draw Vince's attention. He had the buzz to be presented as a big deal on the main roster from day one. And he can go in the ring well enough, especially with people who also know what the fuck they're doing... but there is a part of me believes that there would have been this weird friction between him and HHH because they're too much like the same person.

Also, it feels like if the roles were reversed, almost this exact scenario would still have played out if Kenny were the old semi-retired executive and Hunter were in his prime and being touted as The Second Coming by the indie fans.

It’s funny you make that comparison. Triple H was always my vote for the most overrated wrestler of all-time. Only recently has been supplanted by Kenny Omega. Trips edges him out in psychology, facial expressions, the total number of classics, drawing power, etc. Because people fawn so much over Omega, and because I think he is just objectively worse yet more highly rated, I have to give the crown to Omega.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Welcome to the team…<a href="https://twitter.com/thunderrosa22?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ThunderRosa22</a> is <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AllElite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AllElite</a> <a href="https://t.co/GcvAds6ANx">pic.twitter.com/GcvAds6ANx</a></p>&mdash; All Elite Wrestling (@AEW) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEW/status/1418282316984721409?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Noid]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Welcome to the team…<a href="https://twitter.com/thunderrosa22?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ThunderRosa22</a> is <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AllElite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AllElite</a> <a href="https://t.co/GcvAds6ANx">pic.twitter.com/GcvAds6ANx</a></p>&mdash; All Elite Wrestling (@AEW) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEW/status/1418282316984721409?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I can get behind this. She's incredible and deserves to be higher on the card. She should take the title off dentist lady.

[Noid]

It’s funny you make that comparison. Triple H was always my vote for the most overrated wrestler of all-time. Only recently has been supplanted by Kenny Omega. Trips edges him out in psychology, facial expressions, the total number of classics, drawing power, etc. Because people fawn so much over Omega, and because I think he is just objectively worse yet more highly rated, I have to give the crown to Omega.

With all due respect to the wrestling nerds, Omega is nowhere near Triple H. No matter how much you want it, it's simply not factual.

[Triple A]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AEW Dynamite last night on TNT was watched by 1,148,000 viewers on average, the 3rd highest in the show's history.<br><br>575,000 viewers were aged 18-49 (about a 0.44 rating), the highest since December 9, 2020.<br><br>�� More demos and analysis here: <a href="https://t.co/uh07HrAWMM">https://t.co/uh07HrAWMM</a> <a href="https://t.co/imE9HBNxdb">pic.twitter.com/imE9HBNxdb</a></p>&mdash; Brandon Thurston (@BrandonThurston) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrandonThurston/status/1418304154024484865?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Noid]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">For those interested...<br><br>Raw's 18-49 this week was higher. But, yes, Dynamite's 18-49 last night is higher than some recent Thunderdome episodes of Raw (but not Smackdown).<br><br>Raw on Jul 12: 560,000<br>Raw on Jul 5: 536,000<br>Raw on Jun 28: 535,000</p>&mdash; Brandon Thurston (@BrandonThurston) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrandonThurston/status/1418306185841815555?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

They couldn't beat Raw with actual fans? :eek:

[Mr. Nerfect]

1.15 million viewers?! The revolution is here!!!

[Fignuts]

10 million next Wednesday

OR ELSE

[Mr. Nerfect]

That sexy, sexy white, middle-aged demo.

[Triple A]

AEW needs to have guys who look like Greg The Hammer Valentine doing matches with lots of punches and chin locks to capture the younger demo

[Mr. Nerfect]

10 million next Wednesday

OR ELSE

10 million would be great. But let’s start with properly growing an audience and not running them off. We’ve gone from 1.4 million opposed to celebrating 1.15 million on their own with a natural hot-shot behind them. That’s just because they’ve climbed out of a hole they dug for themselves.

When you’re not beating the average for Raw — a shitty, three-hour dinosaur — what claim do you have to being some hot alternative? You’ve actually got to be catching on to do that. Let’s see if they can build on this surge of people checking out their product again. They’ve got more foot traffic than usual at the moment — doesn’t mean they think the show is good.

If Raw managed to climb back up to 2 million, would people defend it? Of course not. And it’s not necessarily a reflection of quality. And they’d hold it up against where it’s fallen from — 3 million or 4 million people. I’m not going to let AEW diehards forget the buzz this promotion has never delivered on.

[Mr. Nerfect]

AEW needs to have guys who look like Greg The Hammer Valentine doing matches with lots of punches and chin locks to capture the younger demo

That would be awful. But people have to go to weird places when responding to the criticism AEW gets.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Wrestling is cool again! Time to turn your caps backwards and kick it!

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Thank you <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> <a href="https://t.co/bJ3nJLScw6">pic.twitter.com/bJ3nJLScw6</a></p>&mdash; All Elite Wrestling on TNT (@AEWonTNT) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEWonTNT/status/1418323908210544643?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I’m stunned considering the card going in didn’t look great

[Mr. Nerfect]

They’re not the #1 show on cable by any metric other than an archaic measure of demographic. They do not get the most ad revenue. They are not the most watched (not by a long shot). But hey, when one company bullshits it’s okay.

[#1-norm-fan]

With all due respect to the wrestling nerds, Omega is nowhere near Triple H. No matter how much you want it, it's simply not factual.

I agree with Noid Classic.

[#1-norm-fan]

AEW needs to have guys who look like Greg The Hammer Valentine doing matches with lots of punches and chin locks to capture the younger demo

That would be awful.

Fuck you, no it wouldn’t.

[#1-norm-fan]

https://c7.alamy.com/comp/R1BW20/new-york-ny-november-10-greg-valentine-attends-the-big-event-15-at-the-laguardia-plaza-hotel-in-new-york-on-november-10-credit-george-napolitanomediapunch-R1BW20.jpg

Hall of Famer, cocksucker. He got this shit right.

[slik]

He was in the crowd once at Dynamite

https://cdn3.whatculture.com/images/2020/10/d580193c8259d156-600x338.jpg

[weather vane]

AEW. What a time to be alive.

[xrodmuc316]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Thank you <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> <a href="https://t.co/bJ3nJLScw6">pic.twitter.com/bJ3nJLScw6</a></p>&mdash; All Elite Wrestling on TNT (@AEWonTNT) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEWonTNT/status/1418323908210544643?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

LOL I like how there are about 10 different ratings broken down by Nielsen, and AEW just ignores 9 of them and declares themselves number 1 overall.

Its cool, ignore 90% of the data. That is how data works, you pick the small part that you find favorable and represent that as the full truth.

[#1-norm-fan]

How’s NXT doing lately?

[slik]

Around 700k the last two weeks each, usually in the mid 600s.

[slik]

I feel like there's not really any reason to invest in NXT personally. I used to watch every Takeover and have attended a few as well, but it's too many times of 'fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, thrice, etc shame on me'

It seems pointless to me to watch NXT and get invested in anyone because when you do and they get called up to the main roster, it's a 90% 'shit the bed' ratio of Vince ignoring or taking away everything that made them work in NXT. There really haven't been very successful callups in a while at this point.

[Triple A]

I have a feeling that Rampage might hurt Dynamite's ratings maybe due to oversaturation... Feels perfect right now with just 2 hours a week but we'll see I guess

[slik]

I can't see myself watching Rampage tbh...that month of Dynamite on Fridays was rough...Friday just seems like a bad night (to me) for wrestling on tv...no offense to brand blue...

[screech]

I feel like I'll watch the first two or three episodes of Rampage to see what it's about, but I don't really want to commit to another weekly show.

Watched a handful of Dark episodes before I fell behind and never bothered to go back. I've never seen Elevation.

I get enough of a fix with two hours of Dynamite.

[Triple A]

I wonder if a lot of people will feel like two shows a week is too much to keep up with, then feel like they are "behind" on the storylines and stuff and just stop watching Dynamite also

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I do worry another hour of TV might be too much, but if they’re signing Punk and Danielson, that just adds to an already top heavy roster and they could prob use another hour to get other guys TV time

[Noid]

AEW should reconsider having two separate rosters. Does anyone watch the Dark shows on Youtube?

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Two rosters is an awful idea. And Dark seems to get around 200-300k views per episode. Which is a lot more than I thought they’d get.

[Jordan]

Two rosters would be death for me. I don't mind the Friday night show yet, just hopeful that they make it worth while and that it doesn't devolve to a b show over time. Like when Heat debuted it was a great show for like two months and then turned to a b show. Since they are doing Rampage only tapings sometimes I'm expecting it to be pretty good. Plus AEW has a huge roster right now and they could definitely use some more air time for the guys.

[Evil Vito]

An AEW roster split is something I'd do in my EWR game because it's a pain in the balls to have a huge roster and only one weekly 2-hour show to work with. Makes it easier for me to split the roster and run cohesive stories on each show. Hell I even did a Nitro/Thunder split on an old WCW 1998 game I was running. Just helped my sanity a bit for booklng.

But it's a video game world where oversaturation doesn't exist. No interest in seeing two rosters in real life AEW.

[Jordan]

I never do split rosters in TEW. I just hate the concept since in my opinion it's been bad for WWE and diluted the titles which at one point were much more important to kayfabe and the fandom of WWE than they are now.

Still having to explain why there is a champion of WWE and a Champion of the Universe to non hardcore fans is embarrassing.

[Jordan]

I've been reading Ringside news a lot the past few months for news. It is like a crack website that always has new posts but over half of them are just recaps from tweets and really bad wrestling reporting, but still it's constant wrestling content. Anyway, they keep posting things that Mark Henry says on his podcast or radio show. I'm already over him. I can't stand when he's saying what AEW should be doing to be better. Mark Henry had a collective of about two or three years in a 20+ year career that were even watchable. Yes one epic promo and one good run near the top. Still even then he was a 2nd tier main event talent. Longevity doesn't equal talent, Mark Henry is pissing me off. He apparently said AEW needs to do more media and community outreach. How many promotions and fundraisers has AEW already done and promoted on TV for multiple causes? Troops, Trans, Gay, Disabled etc... I'm pretty sure they are well ahead of the curve on outreach and fundraising for good causes. Really find his sense of expertise annoying.

[Evil Vito]

I never do split rosters in TEW. I just hate the concept since in my opinion it's been bad for WWE and diluted the titles which at one point were much more important to kayfabe and the fandom of WWE than they are now.

Still having to explain why there is a champion of WWE and a Champion of the Universe to non hardcore fans is embarrassing.

Generally when I split rosters I end up making all the champions float between shows. Doesn't necessarily mean every champion appears on both shows. There might be a span of a month or two where the World champ is primarily feuding with someone on SmackDown and the IC champ is making most of his appearances feuding with someone on Raw, but the US champ is appearing on both shows doing open challenges or whatever until he gets his next actual feud.

Gives me some flexibility to move people around but having everyone else locked in to a brand at the time just allows me to feature more people and get more people into stories.

Brand exclusive titles are death though. For a time I didn't mind them but now after years and years of it you just realize now that everyone and their brother has held a title at some point because there are 25 of them in the company.

[drave]

I've been reading Ringside news a lot the past few months for news. It is like a crack website that always has new posts but over half of them are just recaps from tweets and really bad wrestling reporting, but still it's constant wrestling content. Anyway, they keep posting things that Mark Henry says on his podcast or radio show. I'm already over him. I can't stand when he's saying what AEW should be doing to be better. Mark Henry had a collective of about two or three years in a 20+ year career that were even watchable. Yes one epic promo and one good run near the top. Still even then he was a 2nd tier main event talent. Longevity doesn't equal talent, Mark Henry is pissing me off. He apparently said AEW needs to do more media and community outreach. How many promotions and fundraisers has AEW already done and promoted on TV for multiple causes? Troops, Trans, Gay, Disabled etc... I'm pretty sure they are well ahead of the curve on outreach and fundraising for good causes. Really find his sense of expertise annoying.


How many has AEW done vs how many has the general public (those who DON'T listen to podcasts or wrestling crack website) know about? I am a very casual viewer and I couldn't tell you a single benefit they've done. That is the type of outreach they need, to where even the casual or non-wrestling fan knows about their actions.


He isn't wrong in that they need more media outreach. They have a decent talent pool but they need more recognition. It's been discussed here before, but with the juggernaut that is WWE, no other name is really known nor considered "major league" in pro-wrestling outside of WWE.





Much like Impact, who even Hulk Hogan couldn't help, they need more brand recognition. They need to first make up their mind on their presentation of "super serious sports-based wrestling" or "same ole carny shit". Once they can actually pick their lane, they can build their foundation a bit more. None of this is underselling their successes they've had thus far. As young as they are for a fed, they are doing well. The next 2-3 years will define their long-term success in my opinion.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We live in a world where MJF was ONE typo away from giving us Chris Jericho vs this man next week on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a>. <br><br>CAN YOU IMAGINE. <a href="https://t.co/poxs44ZdBV">pic.twitter.com/poxs44ZdBV</a></p>&mdash; SNAKEMAN (has a degree in astrophysics) ���� (@KingSerpentico) <a href="https://twitter.com/KingSerpentico/status/1418302435345453061?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Jordan]

As far as examples of do good outreach the biggest would probably be Fight for the Fallen which is a show where proceeds go to Wounded Warrior Project, often they sell special t-shirts with rainbow themes where a portion of proceeds go to gay/trans organizations and Excalibur promotes that at least one per show. They do super inclusive ticket outreach for people with disabilities specifically kids. Also raising awareness on black and Latino police brutality in an angle with Konnan and Tully most recently.

As far as media awareness of the company I think that they are working on that with Cody and Brandi especially,doing their new reality show as well as The Go Big Show. But more stuff like that will take time.

Ultimately like you said it will take a few more years for AEW to be thought of when people think of wrestling. Overall none of this affects me and my fandom of the product. I am just critical of Mark Henry going on a radio show and critiquing the company he works for instead of having a conversation with his boss which I think would be more affective.

[drave]

"in an angle" is not a good way to reach a wide-base. In an angle will reach those who are already watching.


Lots of assuming to believe he hasn't already talked with his boss. I'm sure he has given X amount of suggestions. As with most things, while there are a TON of ideas, only very few are actually "good" and "best for business". At least he is talking about it, and free to do so without risking his employment.

[xrodmuc316]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We live in a world where MJF was ONE typo away from giving us Chris Jericho vs this man next week on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a>. <br><br>CAN YOU IMAGINE. <a href="https://t.co/poxs44ZdBV">pic.twitter.com/poxs44ZdBV</a></p>&mdash; SNAKEMAN (has a degree in astrophysics) ���� (@KingSerpentico) <a href="https://twitter.com/KingSerpentico/status/1418302435345453061?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Damnit, thats good :rofl:

[Evil Vito]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Got to say, I dont like how AEW have ruined the legacy of the credible thespian Steve Borden with this Orange Cassidy stuff. <a href="https://t.co/Y8fYStszMH">pic.twitter.com/Y8fYStszMH</a></p>&mdash; iAn (@IandrewDiceClay) <a href="https://twitter.com/IandrewDiceClay/status/1418578152658452481?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 23, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Mr. Nerfect]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Got to say, I dont like how AEW have ruined the legacy of the credible thespian Steve Borden with this Orange Cassidy stuff. <a href="https://t.co/Y8fYStszMH">pic.twitter.com/Y8fYStszMH</a></p>&mdash; iAn (@IandrewDiceClay) <a href="https://twitter.com/IandrewDiceClay/status/1418578152658452481?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 23, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

New fans are so fucking stupid they think that shit was lauded. That is some of the more maligned stuff in wrestling that was blamed for almost tanking WCW until the nWo angle and made TNA a laughing stock. But sure! As long as we’re not as bad as the very worst!

[Vastardikai]

New fans are so fucking stupid they think that shit was lauded. That is some of the more maligned stuff in wrestling that was blamed for almost tanking WCW until the nWo angle and made TNA a laughing stock. But sure! As long as we’re not as bad as the very worst!

They missed the Chamber of Horrors.

[Triple A]

oh no

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">With <a href="https://twitter.com/paigevanzant?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@paigevanzant</a> …And oh yeah, I retained the title on Wednesday night at <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/aewdynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#aewdynamite</a> with a broken wrist. Not taking any time off either. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AndStill?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AndStill</a> <a href="https://t.co/YQVC37Woie">pic.twitter.com/YQVC37Woie</a></p>&mdash; Dr. Britt Baker, D.M.D. (@RealBrittBaker) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealBrittBaker/status/1418758077705293828?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 24, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Damian Rey 2.0]

That’s funny because I always strain my wrist when the good doctor is on TV

[Jordan]

Omega vs Hangman at All Out.

We've all felt it coming, likely to be the next PPV main event. It's a story that's brewed for over a year and a half since Hangman and Page were dysfunctional tag champs now taking head as Omega is World Champ and Hangman the top contender. Hangman would get his second PPV main event and second chance at the AEW Championship. Seems to be a lock that he would become the 4th AEW Champion right? Well what about these new signings?

Would it be something to consider for Omega to retain so that he can defend potentially against CM Punk or Daniel Bryan? It's not been AEW's custom to push new signings into big main events right away. I think that Brodie is the exception but there was an injury that caused that to happen if I remember correctly.

If I signed Bryan or Punk, or both I would want them to be in feature storylines for sure. Both Bryan and Punk can be great heels or great babyfaces. Very hard to see where they would both land upon arrival.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

It certainly feels like everything is adding up for a Hangman title win and I think that’s the right story. He’ll have a nice rogues gallery of heels he feud with until he eventually loses the title. And I think MJF should be the guy who takes the belt off of him.

If I had it my way, MJF beats Jericho decisively at All Out, gets on the mic to run him down and start touting himself as the best, and that’s when Punk’s music hits and out he comes to a massive pop. Plant those seeds early. Maybe have that be Punk’s first feud si that when MJF finally wins the belt, Punk chasing is right there ready to go.

I think pushing Bryan to eventually overthrow Miro is how I would build him up but I’d save that title change for the end of the year. I wanna see Miro keep destroying people.

[ron the dial]

the redeemer baby WOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[weather vane]

I’m excited.

[Fignuts]

Bryan and punk don't need to be in the title picture right off the bat, so I don't think you need to keep the belt on Omega.

That said, I would have one of them go undefeated for a couple months, and then have hangman give them their first loss in a title defense.

[Fignuts]

To be more specific, I would have Hangman beat punk, and then have him hold the title til about this time next year where he drops it to bryan.

[Jordan]

What's important to me is keeping Andrade, Malakai as well as guys like Hangman, Cody, and Mox hot and relevant. I really see Andrade and Malakai as main event level guys and I have a feeling that Tony does too. But nobody wants to see former WWE guys clash in AEW right off the bat.

I think that Kenny and Danielson would be a great program if Hangman defeats Omega at All Out.

I like Damien Rey's idea for Punk/MJF. They could also crossover with Malakai who after beating Cody could go for Hangman's AEW Championship.

I don't really know what's the next big story for Mox. Perhaps a program with Mox/Kingston vs Page and Scorpio, I think the matches would be great. But I think Mox should be favored heavily and I'm not sure that's the best usage for him. Kinda confused where Mox will go without either of his championships.

[slik]

I'd like to see PAC stay relevant too. A lot of these guys could have great matches with PAC.

Really like the Miro/Danielson and MJF/Punk ideas a lot.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

oh no

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">With <a href="https://twitter.com/paigevanzant?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@paigevanzant</a> …And oh yeah, I retained the title on Wednesday night at <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/aewdynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#aewdynamite</a> with a broken wrist. Not taking any time off either. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AndStill?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AndStill</a> <a href="https://t.co/YQVC37Woie">pic.twitter.com/YQVC37Woie</a></p>&mdash; Dr. Britt Baker, D.M.D. (@RealBrittBaker) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealBrittBaker/status/1418758077705293828?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 24, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Haven’t had a good cast gimmick in a while. Britt is perfect for it. Sometimes wrestling writes itself.

[Jordan]

I'd like to see PAC stay relevant too. A lot of these guys could have great matches with PAC.

Really like the Miro/Danielson and MJF/Punk ideas a lot.

Yes Pac or sure. Honestly AEW is about to be booming with top notch talent. I was thrilled with Andrade and Malakai but Punk and Danielson are over the top.

Also look forward to something with Malakai and Punk,. I've always thought of Black as "the next CM Punk", in his own way.

[slik]

We need a good "cast magic" gimmick where a wrestler keeps switching the cast from one arm to another

[Fignuts]

Could see. Mox going after Miro next.

[Jordan]

We need a good "cast magic" gimmick where a wrestler keeps switching the cast from one arm to another

:lol: yes I am all for it

Could see. Mox going after Miro next.

Yeah that would definitely be of interest.

[rez]

If the rumors are true that Braun is resigning with WWE...anything to do with these "signings" ?

[rez]

Vega's showing at the PPV seems like it.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

What's important to me is keeping Andrade, Malakai as well as guys like Hangman, Cody, and Mox hot and relevant. I really see Andrade and Malakai as main event level guys and I have a feeling that Tony does too. But nobody wants to see former WWE guys clash in AEW right off the bat.

I think that Kenny and Danielson would be a great program if Hangman defeats Omega at All Out.

I like Damien Rey's idea for Punk/MJF. They could also crossover with Malakai who after beating Cody could go for Hangman's AEW Championship.

I don't really know what's the next big story for Mox. Perhaps a program with Mox/Kingston vs Page and Scorpio, I think the matches would be great. But I think Mox should be favored heavily and I'm not sure that's the best usage for him. Kinda confused where Mox will go without either of his championships.

I was fantasy booking the Jericho Gage match in my head thinking maybe Moxley interferes in some way, costing Gage the match and kicking off a blood feud that culminates at All Out in an unsanctioned death match.

[Jordan]

Oh yes that would be great.

[Vastardikai]

Haven’t had a good cast gimmick in a while. Britt is perfect for it. Sometimes wrestling writes itself.

Something that almost certainly happened Thursday...

Patient: I'm here for my cleaning!

Receptionist: I'm sorry, but your appointment has been canceled.

Patient: Again?

Receptionist: Yes, sir. Unfortunately, your Dentist broke her wrist last night.

Patient: What? How did this keep happening? Can I get another dentist? Dr. Baker is just awful!

[Vastardikai]

Another thought, trying to look on the bright side:

With the way AEW books their Women's Division, Britt won't have to worry about missing any time in the ring. She'll be 100% healed by the time the get around to giving her another match.

[xrodmuc316]

Im wondering why Vince hasnt formed a working partnership with AEW. Vince is the only wrestling promoter that hasnt figured out how to get money from that mark Tony Khan :rofl:

[Maluco]

What is going on with Chris Jericho? Is this what we always would have gotten with no Vince McMahon filter?

“Tha Painmaker” looks awful. I can’t believe what a legend of the business is doing to himself at the end. The makeup and look just adds to the whole “washed up” idea that the basketball tweets alluded to.

AEW and the creative freedom is making him look really bad.

[Lock Jaw]

The "Painmaker" look is very terrible, yeah....

[Damian Rey 2.0]

The idea I’d the painmaker fine. The clockwork orange knock off with the weird makeup is the bad part. Get rid of the hat and face paint, keep the jacket and it’s fine as a look.

[xrodmuc316]

My biggest issue with it is, what is the difference? I know he did it in NJPW as kind of a character reinvention after all his time in WWE, but what does it mean now? Its Finn Balor/Demon all over again. Adding some facepaint but then doing the exact same moveset just means its Chris Jericho in facepaint.

[Fignuts]

In New japan it was more of a way of mocking Okada.

His persona and style was more vicious in njpw. Think early AEW Jericho without as much comedy. It was actually pretty great.

[Noid]

My biggest issue with it is, what is the difference? I know he did it in NJPW as kind of a character reinvention after all his time in WWE, but what does it mean now? Its Finn Balor/Demon all over again. Adding some facepaint but then doing the exact same moveset just means its Chris Jericho in facepaint.

He's playing to his audience. He knows how gullible wrestling fans are. With so less effort.

[fundiddle]

His persona and style was more vicious in njpw. Think early AEW Jericho without as much comedy. It was actually pretty great.
coming off the heels of that career highlight program with kevin owens, he actually seemed believable as a pissed off heel in new japan, it's crazy how fast things can change. that all seems like forever ago now

[Evil Vito]

In the intro for the latest episode his of Wrestling Anonymous podcast, Colt Cabana seemingly confirmed that he tested positive for COVID despite being double vaxxed since February, and that he most likely caught it working the gimmick table at an IPW show in Waterloo, Iowa.

[weather vane]

Deadly

[Evil Vito]

It’s worth keeping an eye on because AEW officials are said to be extremely concerned that big cities like Chicago and NY could end up shutting down big events again over delta by the time September gets here. And they’re already working out contingencies which would effectively mean permanent residence in Daily’s Place again.

Punk and Bryan appearing in front of no fans would be awful.

I really hope it doesn’t come to this. I’d rather we move to a policy of “show proof of vaccination to get into this event” and let the loons squawk about their rights than shut events down again.

[Jordan]

Yeah that report is definitely worrying to me. I hope things don't come to that. Plz give us Arthur Ashe.

[Evil Vito]

MSG was always requiring full vaccine proof for SmackDown. Colbert and other late night hosts are doing the same thing for their audiences, and I'm guessing Broadway will too once they open.

Best guess is by September Arthur Ashe is doing the same thing, if it doesn't become a NYC mandate. Way better to do that instead of just shutting it all down again.

[Triple A]

Yeah hopefully they don't shut down stuff again... Feel like I doubt they will in the US. Will be hard to "put the genie back in the bottle" or w/e

Especially since death/hospitalization rates are still relatively low even if cases are going up

[Jordan]

At Arthur Ashe they can open the roof if they want to make it outdoor which would be nice, should still be good weather by then if it's not raining. I know it won't make any official difference but I don't mind if they make their live events mask mandatory. I'm probably going to mask at Arthur, at least I've thought about it, I am vaxxed though. Also I'm going to MLS at Yankee Stadium Friday, not planning to wear my mask but I will if I feel I should.

[BigCrippyZ]

I don't see everything shutting down again in any major way like it was. I could certainly see vaccination proof requirements and/or mask requirements however. I also think we're going to see a 3rd dose EUA approval or recommendation sometime in the next 6 months.

I'm 3 months fully vaxxed now w/ my 2 Pfizer doses and I'm going to a client's outdoor stadium concert on Saturday night, but I'm still going to wear a mask likely most of the time depending on where I'm at and who/how many people I'm around, etc.

[slik]

I'm sure the hardcore wwe fans will react well to this (it's not even a super negative statement, it's very Renee and she's correct)


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Renee Paquette claimed that AEW doesn't treat their fans as stupid as WWE does:<a href="https://t.co/OmBXSVNBjk">https://t.co/OmBXSVNBjk</a></p>&mdash; WrestleTalk (@WrestleTalk_TV) <a href="https://twitter.com/WrestleTalk_TV/status/1420367481684873222?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 28, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[xrodmuc316]

I'm sure the hardcore wwe fans will react well to this (it's not even a super negative statement, it's very Renee and she's correct)


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Renee Paquette claimed that AEW doesn't treat their fans as stupid as WWE does:<a href="https://t.co/OmBXSVNBjk">https://t.co/OmBXSVNBjk</a></p>&mdash; WrestleTalk (@WrestleTalk_TV) <a href="https://twitter.com/WrestleTalk_TV/status/1420367481684873222?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 28, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

LOL of course she did.

Was nothing wrong with WWE while she worked there for 8 years, but now bad baaaaaaad WWE.

It's not upsetting, it is the cliche blueprint.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

She’s 100% correct

[xrodmuc316]

How to get over with AEW fans.

Step 1: WWE IS BAD!

That's it, legit all it takes.

100% :rofl:

[#1-norm-fan]

Hell, I’m not even an AEW fan and that’s an easy way to get over with me.

[Fignuts]

LOL of course she did.

Was nothing wrong with WWE while she worked there for 8 years, but now bad baaaaaaad WWE.

It's not upsetting, it is the cliche blueprint.

People typically don't talk shit about the company they work for while they're still working there. Good way to not only get fired, but also get a reputation of being difficult to work with.

I'm sure there will be some people that will have unpleasant things to say about AEW once they're gone. JR comes to mind immediately.

[Evil Vito]

XRod being an imbecile? I am SHOCKED!

[drave]

People typically don't talk shit about the company they work for while they're still working there. Good way to not only get fired, but also get a reputation of being difficult to work with.

I'm sure there will be some people that will have unpleasant things to say about AEW once they're gone. JR comes to mind immediately.




100% this. Very simple to understand.

[Noid]

Dynamite is exponentially more entertaining than Raw. One seems to have linear progression while the other is just filling in tv time.

[xrodmuc316]

People typically don't talk shit about the company they work for while they're still working there. Good way to not only get fired, but also get a reputation of being difficult to work with.

I'm sure there will be some people that will have unpleasant things to say about AEW once they're gone. JR comes to mind immediately.

2 things.

If she had such a problem with WWE why would she work there for so long.

The narrative seems to change as time passes and she doesnt land her next job. Went from her saying how much she loved working there and thanking everyone, then went back for a one off appearance, to lets start talking more and more about how WWE bad, AEW good.

It is the standard progression to get over with AEW. Its not that she is even wrong, its that the take is cliche.

[drave]

2 things.

If she had such a problem with WWE why would she work there for so long.

The narrative seems to change as time passes and she doesnt land her next job. Went from her saying how much she loved working there and thanking everyone, then went back for a one off appearance, to lets start talking more and more about how WWE bad, AEW good.

It is the standard progression to get over with AEW. Its not that she is even wrong, its that the take is cliche.


Why did she stay so long?


Was there any other game in town at the time? If so, I'm sure they weren't paying her #WWEMoney. Seems like a smart life choice to "toe the line" and continue to get paid rather than air grievances and get fired, which the "E" has a history of doing.


I only speak from personal experiences in my life though. Stomaching a shit job while looking for another so I don't miss pay. I had to work with one of the worst people I've ever met in my life, and he was a C-level, so any "reporting" would have ended up with ME losing my job.

[xrodmuc316]

0 issue with that Drave.

In this situation though, a former WWE employee disparaging WWE while also praising AEW, is so standard and unoriginal that it is practically a prerequisite to get the admiration of the fanbase.

[Noid]

0 issue with that Drave.

In this situation though, a former WWE employee disparaging WWE while also praising AEW, is so standard and unoriginal that it is practically a prerequisite to get the admiration of the fanbase.

She's simply stating a fact even if it is unoriginal, dull and in line with the overwhelming consensus.

[drave]

Or maybe you hyperfocus on that point because reasons?


Remove the "branding" and replace it with generic words.


"I wasn't happy at my former workplace now that I've been to a new place and see how things can be. I like this workplace better than my old one." It's a rather normal thing that people outside of the wrestling world experience daily.



¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Whatever floats your boat

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Xrod just needs to constantly complain about anything aew because he’s a sad and bored little man, and doing the anti aew shtick and plugging into seemingly every thread he’s in gives him life, apparently. Hence why the mute button is a wonderful thing.

[Fignuts]

0 issue with that Drave.

In this situation though, a former WWE employee disparaging WWE while also praising AEW, is so standard and unoriginal that it is practically a prerequisite to get the admiration of the fanbase.

And it's going to keep happening, because regardless of how you feel about AEW's content, it is by all accounts a much more laid back, enjoyable place to work.

Instead of mocking people for liking AEW's work environment, you should take aim at wwe for creating one that is seemingly miserable to be a part of.

[xrodmuc316]

Again, no problem with the message itself, but like Drave just said, it will keep happening.

I initially wrote "of course she said that", because its what they all say. At this point how is it even news? Its not breaking some secret inside information.

There is no legitimate reason to go out of their way to say that other than to personally gain favor with AEW.

That has nothing to do with Anti AEW no matter what people defending AEW say.

[drave]

LOL of course she did.

Was nothing wrong with WWE while she worked there for 8 years, but now bad baaaaaaad WWE.

It's not upsetting, it is the cliche blueprint.

Again, no problem with the message itself, but like Drave just said, it will keep happening.

I initially wrote "of course she said that", because its what they all say. At this point how is it even news? Its not breaking some secret inside information.

There is no legitimate reason to go out of their way to say that other than to personally gain favor with AEW.

That has nothing to do with Anti AEW no matter what people defending AEW say.




So is it the fact that she stated her opinion or that it was considered "news" by some random twitter "reporter"?

[xrodmuc316]

Xrod just needs to constantly complain about anything aew because he’s a sad and bored little man, and doing the anti aew shtick and plugging into seemingly every thread he’s in gives him life, apparently. Hence why the mute button is a wonderful thing.

Somebody quote me for this idiot.

I literally said nothing bad about AEW, just that a former WWE employee talking bad about WWE while praising AEW is S.O.P.

Pointing out DAILY that you have somebody muted makes you feel good somehow, which I can only guess because why else would you come here just to make posts about it? That is the markings of a sad and bored little man.

[Evil Vito]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">someone on something awful pointed out the extra spotlight at the end �� <a href="https://t.co/BOqDnWN9Zx">pic.twitter.com/BOqDnWN9Zx</a></p>&mdash; funny t (@yngsovereign) <a href="https://twitter.com/yngsovereign/status/1420604345427451904?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 29, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[slik]

3rd week in a row over 1 million


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AEW Dynamite last night on TNT was watched by 1,108,000 viewers on average. <br><br>582,000 viewers were aged 18-49 (about a 0.45 rating).<br><br>�� Read more analysis and info across demos: <a href="https://t.co/eI0E5QCBFL">https://t.co/eI0E5QCBFL</a> <a href="https://t.co/0Ss1oCE0qI">pic.twitter.com/0Ss1oCE0qI</a></p>&mdash; Brandon Thurston (@BrandonThurston) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrandonThurston/status/1420842043300065285?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 29, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[slik]

July 29 - 1.10 million
July 22 - 1.14 million
July 7 - 1.02 million

[slik]

Weird


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Vince McMahon on AEW: &quot;I’m not sure where their investments are. When it comes to their talent, perhaps we could give them some more&quot;</p>&mdash; Sean Ross Sapp of Fightful.com (@SeanRossSapp) <a href="https://twitter.com/SeanRossSapp/status/1420864930148913157?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 29, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Vince really trails off here, so it's hard to tell if this is a sick burn, or him asking Nick Khan to add more color to their views on AEW. McMahon has not been answering questions on the Q&amp;A portion of late.</p>&mdash; Sean Ross Sapp of Fightful.com (@SeanRossSapp) <a href="https://twitter.com/SeanRossSapp/status/1420866527574831108?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 29, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Being a WWE wrestler must feel really cool and normal right now after their boss just joked on an investor call that he should fire more of them to try to sabotage AEW.</p>&mdash; David Bixenspan (@davidbix) <a href="https://twitter.com/davidbix/status/1420868238469181443?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 29, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Fignuts]

I mean he's not wrong. Literally everyone on their roster has been mismanaged to some degree. Even Cody was stuck in that dreadful feud with the factory for a while.

[Bad News Gertner]

AEW picking up the WWE's scraps to do half the number TNA did.

Vince knocks it out of the park

R.I.P

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: <a href="https://twitter.com/dominos?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Dominos</a> Pizza is disavowing any knowledge or involvement in <a href="https://twitter.com/AEWonTNT?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AEWonTNT</a>'s bloody telecast Wednesday night, which showed one wrestler slicing his opponent's head open with pizza cutter. <br><br>Domino's threatening to pull future ads. Full story <a href="https://twitter.com/FOS?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@FOS</a>:<a href="https://t.co/PeyuuIsAER">https://t.co/PeyuuIsAER</a></p>&mdash; Michael McCarthy (@MMcCarthyREV) <a href="https://twitter.com/MMcCarthyREV/status/1420882314108841988?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 29, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[slik]

I mean he's not wrong. Literally everyone on their roster has been mismanaged to some degree. Even Cody was stuck in that dreadful feud with the factory for a while.

WWE hasn't exactly managed their talent real great either. I don't think that's what he's talking about really.

I don't think Vince even viewed WCW as competition, he viewed Ted Turner as competition. He has no reason to view Shahid Khan as competition. I do agree with Bix if I was an employee it'd probably rub me the wrong way to indifferently joke about firing people but I also think that's just Vince. He would have said something like that 40 years ago too. It's weird but that's Vinny Mac.

[Triple A]

Would have to hear his tone when he said it, but sounds like he is trying to "burn" AEW saying maybe they can give them more talent because their talent is lacking or w/e

[slik]

You can barely hear him bc Vince never turns his mic up


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Vince McMahon and Nick Khan talk AEW <a href="https://t.co/iTpXgzmT7u">pic.twitter.com/iTpXgzmT7u</a></p>&mdash; Jed I. Goodman (@jedigoodman) <a href="https://twitter.com/jedigoodman/status/1420865478440865792?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 29, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Weird


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Vince McMahon on AEW: &quot;I’m not sure where their investments are. When it comes to their talent, perhaps we could give them some more&quot;</p>&mdash; Sean Ross Sapp of Fightful.com (@SeanRossSapp) <a href="https://twitter.com/SeanRossSapp/status/1420864930148913157?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 29, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Vince really trails off here, so it's hard to tell if this is a sick burn, or him asking Nick Khan to add more color to their views on AEW. McMahon has not been answering questions on the Q&amp;A portion of late.</p>&mdash; Sean Ross Sapp of Fightful.com (@SeanRossSapp) <a href="https://twitter.com/SeanRossSapp/status/1420866527574831108?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 29, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Being a WWE wrestler must feel really cool and normal right now after their boss just joked on an investor call that he should fire more of them to try to sabotage AEW.</p>&mdash; David Bixenspan (@davidbix) <a href="https://twitter.com/davidbix/status/1420868238469181443?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 29, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Arrogance and hubris is what started the downfall of WCW. Sounds a lot like “Cactus Jack is about to become their world champion. That’ll put butts in the seats”

[xrodmuc316]

So is it the fact that she stated her opinion or that it was considered "news" by some random twitter "reporter"?

Just that its not at all surprising. She is trying to gain favor by doing exactly what they all do, WWE BAD AEW GOOD.

Nothing more.

[Noid]

Just that its not at all surprising. She is trying to gain favor by doing exactly what they all do, WWE BAD AEW GOOD.

Nothing more.

That’s incredibly lazy man. Do better.

[Triple A]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: <a href="https://twitter.com/dominos?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Dominos</a> Pizza is disavowing any knowledge or involvement in <a href="https://twitter.com/AEWonTNT?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AEWonTNT</a>'s bloody telecast Wednesday night, which showed one wrestler slicing his opponent's head open with pizza cutter. <br><br>Domino's threatening to pull future ads. Full story <a href="https://twitter.com/FOS?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@FOS</a>:<a href="https://t.co/PeyuuIsAER">https://t.co/PeyuuIsAER</a></p>&mdash; Michael McCarthy (@MMcCarthyREV) <a href="https://twitter.com/MMcCarthyREV/status/1420882314108841988?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 29, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
this guy's article is weird and horribly written tbh

also the Domino's statement is obviously in response to him "snitching" and complaining about the spot, "expressing his concern" to them... rather than Domino's putting out a statement on their own

“We share the concerns expressed about this incident and the content of this TV-14 rated program, and are assessing our advertising presence on it going forward"

[Triple A]

You can barely hear him bc Vince never turns his mic up


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Vince McMahon and Nick Khan talk AEW <a href="https://t.co/iTpXgzmT7u">pic.twitter.com/iTpXgzmT7u</a></p>&mdash; Jed I. Goodman (@jedigoodman) <a href="https://twitter.com/jedigoodman/status/1420865478440865792?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 29, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

In that it kinda sounds like "Perhaps we could give them some more" is a separate sentence, maybe talking to Nick Khan, telling him to give the investors some more info...?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

That does seem less aggressive than the transcription.

[Fignuts]

Just that its not at all surprising. She is trying to gain favor by doing exactly what they all do, WWE BAD AEW GOOD.

Nothing more.

So if you have a better experience at your new job than you did at your old one, you're not allowed to talk about it, or else you're trying to "gain favor".

Got it.

[xrodmuc316]

So if you have a better experience at your new job than you did at your old one, you're not allowed to talk about it, or else you're trying to "gain favor".

Got it.

I dont care that she talked about it. My whole point was it is not surprising she said it, that it is so commonplace that it is a cliche.

And no that argument does not apply in most cases. If I work at Deloitte and leave, I am not going to try and get a job at Ernst & Young by constantly bashing Deloitte. The logical deduction would be that Ernst & Young would not hire me for being unprofessional.

Does it work for potential AEW employment? The obvious answer is yes, which is why they all do it. They do it to stroke the ego of their potential new boss, and they do it to placate to the fanbase.

Its neither good or bad, its just the normal process.

[xrodmuc316]

Also, I would like to point out that only Fan got the joke part, and he came back with a great joke as well. There really wasnt anything to it beyond that.

[Vastardikai]

I dont care that she talked about it. My whole point was it is not surprising she said it, that it is so commonplace that it is a cliche.

And no that argument does not apply in most cases. If I work at Deloitte and leave, I am not going to try and get a job at Ernst & Young by constantly bashing Deloitte. The logical deduction would be that Ernst & Young would not hire me for being unprofessional.

Does it work for potential AEW employment? The obvious answer is yes, which is why they all do it. They do it to stroke the ego of their potential new boss, and they do it to placate to the fanbase.

Its neither good or bad, its just the normal process.

"FED BAD" (TM SCJerk) was a thing back in TNA, as well.

I am disappointed that I lost my last job, and I hate my current job. But I'm not gonna tell my future employer that my current job sucks. They'll think I'm a toxic person.

[Fignuts]

It's all just an assumption. They say it because it's true, and because there's an audience for it. I personally doubt that audience is Tony khan, because he's the biggest mark in the industry. It's not necessary to gain favor through these type of comments because they already do it by simply existing.

Also, here's the whole quote, rather than a shitty one sentence summary.

“They (AEW) don’t treat their fans stupid, in terms of not knowing what this is and we’re going to beat you over the head to make sure you understand it.I understand the reasoning of why they do that obviously, but I think with smart fans, and the way that people have access to looking into information that they might not know and being able to connect the dots themselves, I think that there’s something really cool about that that people like to have that sense of discovery, rather than being talked to like they don’t understand.”

That's something we as fans have harped on wwe about, but I can't recall an actual talent talking about that specific issue. Considering that her job as an interviewer and analyst is directly tied to the presentation of the product, it's not surprising she'd speak out about the difference in how both companies handle this sort of thing.

[Vastardikai]

this guy's article is weird and horribly written tbh

also the Domino's statement is obviously in response to him "snitching" and complaining about the spot, "expressing his concern" to them... rather than Domino's putting out a statement on their own

It was hilarious to me for the reason why it has come to pass. "Oh, Domino's is NOT going to want to be associated with that." And is it the "snitcher" or the fact that people are posting it, loling at that meth head looking guy holding up a pizza cutter juxtaposed over the ad for pizza. Someone likely even tagged Domino's to the post. Someone had to see it, and naturally they were going to get asked about it. It'd be like if Priscilla Kelly did the tampon spot in the middle of a show, right before an ad for Tampax.

I'm just waiting to see if they go All In (heh) with it, and have Gage come out next week in a Red Bunny suit.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

The idea that Renee, who seems to be universally beloved, needs to gain favor, is hilarious.

[slik]

this guy's article is weird and horribly written tbh

also the Domino's statement is obviously in response to him "snitching" and complaining about the spot, "expressing his concern" to them... rather than Domino's putting out a statement on their own


Bix is on it


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Huh, that's odd. Why isn't Front Office Sports including disclaimers Re: their referrals to/ads from (hell if I know which it is) Draft Kings, a WWE business partner, in their stories about WWE &amp; WWE competitors? Do they put disclaimers in ANY stories about DraftKings partners? <a href="https://t.co/aSByHQj0Hi">https://t.co/aSByHQj0Hi</a></p>&mdash; David Bixenspan (@davidbix) <a href="https://twitter.com/davidbix/status/1420900588607492097?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 30, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Q2 WWE investor call, 2019: Vince uses AEW ? to rant Re: “blood &amp; guts” to try to hurt AEW w/ sponsors.<br><br>Same call, 2021: Vince ignores previous night’s bloodbath when AEW comes up but article Re: AEW/blood/sponsors drops 90min later on site making $ from WWE's partner.<br><br>Hm. Odd.</p>&mdash; David Bixenspan (@davidbix) <a href="https://twitter.com/davidbix/status/1420906205476704258?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 30, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Also very odd how the Front Office Sports story doesn’t say if they reached out to AEW and WarnerMedia for comment. If I were writing a story about this, I’d absolutely email the AEW and TNT spokespeople about it since a huge part of the story is if the placement was deliberate.</p>&mdash; David Bixenspan (@davidbix) <a href="https://twitter.com/davidbix/status/1420902028545507329?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 30, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">FWIW, Michael McCarthy’s only previous pro wrestling story on Front Office Sports is that weird “WWE wants to be the new Marvel” one.<br><br>Y’know, the one where he freaked out when I politely asked him if speculating publicly Re: sourcing would blow his shit up/was best to avoid.</p>&mdash; David Bixenspan (@davidbix) <a href="https://twitter.com/davidbix/status/1420894547383656453?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 29, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Look, Occam’s Razor suggests that it’s probably just a badly-written article from someone who knew they could get a statement out of Domino’s easily. But this whole thing feels REALLY weird.</p>&mdash; David Bixenspan (@davidbix) <a href="https://twitter.com/davidbix/status/1420909000850292737?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 30, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A big drop in all demographics followed that quarter. Viewership steadily climbed each quarter after.<br><br>Chris Jericho vs. Nick Gage in the main event was watched by 1.179 million total and 633k in 18-49. It was the 2nd-most viewed quarter, both total and in the key demo.</p>&mdash; Brandon Thurston (@BrandonThurston) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrandonThurston/status/1420965062232190976?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 30, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Vastardikai]

Or maybe, just maybe, a bunch of folks posted the video of the Bank Addicted Drug Robber cutting up Jericho with a pizza cutter as a Domino's commercial played. And the folks who saw the video retweeted it, and some of them may have even tagged the Domino's Twitter account. Maybe the Social Media guy saw the videos getting retweeted, realized this was a bad look for his company, and relayed the info to his superiors.

Nah, Fed BAD!!!

[drave]

It's so dumb, but also a perfect example of "2021" and why you have to walk a very narrow path in the public eye.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AEW sold over 10,000 tickets today during the pre-sale for &quot;The First Dance&quot; at The United Center in Chicago.<br><br>I was told that there are seats in all price categories held back for Monday's public on-sale at 11 a.m. ET. <br><br>Four words by Darby Allin proved very effective.</p>&mdash; John Pollock (@iamjohnpollock) <a href="https://twitter.com/iamjohnpollock/status/1421165822031142913?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 30, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[slik]

IDK anything about trading cards, someone else tell me if this is a 'big deal' or 'interesting' plz


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">For all the card/memorabilia collectors- Directly from <a href="https://twitter.com/AEW?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AEW</a> &amp; <a href="https://twitter.com/UpperDeckSports?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@UpperDeckSports</a>. <a href="https://t.co/Exf8vXsf8n">pic.twitter.com/Exf8vXsf8n</a></p>&mdash; SNE NETWORK (@SNENetwork) <a href="https://twitter.com/SNENetwork/status/1421140877590908933?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 30, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Fignuts]

No, trading cards have never recovered from the oversaturation in the 90's.

[slik]

I know Frank Drebin has his baseball cards but that is the extent of my knowledge, thank you

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just talked to <a href="https://twitter.com/WarnerMedia?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WarnerMedia</a> trying to get on <a href="https://twitter.com/AEWonTNT?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AEWonTNT</a> next Wednesday</p>&mdash; Pabst Blue Ribbon (@PabstBlueRibbon) <a href="https://twitter.com/PabstBlueRibbon/status/1421185123878330368?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 30, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[slik]

Damn...


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Make that 12,000+ sold thus far. ^JN <a href="https://t.co/DqW4nGnK9G">https://t.co/DqW4nGnK9G</a></p>&mdash; Wrestling Observer (@WONF4W) <a href="https://twitter.com/WONF4W/status/1421195942234107910?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 30, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Supreme Olajuwon]

No, trading cards have never recovered from the oversaturation in the 90's.

According to this we’re entering a new trading card boom

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/29/investing/ebay-trading-cards-collectibles/index.html

[Sepholio]

just for the sake of lulz imagine if they don't actually sign Punk. It'll be bad.

[slik]

I read online that Walmart and Target quit selling Magic The Gathering cards recently because of fans trying to break into the delivery trucks and 'guarding' the decks in the store to see who was buying what

IDK anything about Magic the Gathering but this sounded 'very intense'

[drave]

Same with Pokemon. Target stopped selling them because fatties were fighting over who took the most cards home to their fucking basement, and which fag had to eat tendies with his anus

[drave]

fucking idiots. humanity man

[xrodmuc316]

I havent bought any trading cards since the 90's, but the WCW ones were awesome!

https://i.redd.it/jqpaxhtx1jm21.jpg

[Jordan]

Anyone got the scoop on what AEW is doing with Rampage tapings? I am having trouble figuring out if they are taping multiple weeks at one taping or if they will tape Dark/Elevation before the Rampage show begins. Just thinking that attending a one hour show is pretty lackluster of an experience and even with that I'd hope that they beef up the Dark/Elevation match quality because I would be disappointed with the typical card they have for those shows.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I would imagine they’ll take one of their dark episodes before or after rampage

[slik]

They should have Vickie Guerrero cut a one hour long promo before the show to rile the crowd up

[slik]

while wearing a cape