All Elite Wrestling

[xrodmuc316]

How the hardcore wrestling bubble and the general wrestling bubble perceive Bryan and Punk signing with AEW is very different. The general bubble doesn’t get much airplay, but there are people out there who absolutely do see Punk as a failed MMA guy and Bryan as a guy that couldn’t hack it in WWE anymore.

For me, the backdrop they’re against just doesn’t do them favors. It was never going to. Like how some people go “I just don’t think (x) is a good fit for New Japan.” I just don’t think Punk and Bryan are really good fits for AEW.

I’m happy these guys are leaving WWE. But there’s just nowhere for them to go that seems like the perfect environment for them. Imagine some other promotion getting Christian Cage, CM Punk, Samoa Joe, Bryan Danielson and Brock Lesnar this year. Just epic.

Maybe TK will get bored, ask his dad for more money and just buy the NWA or start a new promotion for either Punk or Bryan to actually book? Then he can send the guys that want to do pro-wrestling there and leave AEW for the sports entertainment stuff.

I absolutely do not see Bryan as a guy who cannot hack it anymore.

I absolutely do see CM Punk as an embarrassing failure at MMA. No matter how they book him, I can't forget that this is a dude that was so inept at real fighting he was unable to even defend himself from being pinched and tickled by a guy high on weed who was himself so bad Dana White fired him after a win!

If I watch any of the Naked Gun Movies, no matter how funny they are, when I see O.J. Simpson I remember that he murdered 2 people. When I see CM Punk talking tough to another wrestler, I see his destroyed face and horrible spinning kicks. He has no lore in my eyes.

Bryan is a much more important and better signing.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I can personally ignore the MMA stuff. Not saying everyone can, or that they’re obliged to. I can disconnect them as separate sports. But I don’t begrudge anyone for not being that into Punk. When he was gone, even his wrestling run seemed overhyped to me. It was largely based around him being an other to a frustrating product, more so than him being actually as good as I was trying to will him to be.

He was my Sunday Night Heat darlings getting a chance. I wanted something else so bad. But Punk was not the guy that John Cena was, for example. Although I was too in the bubble to see it at the time.

Bryan is one of my favorite workers ever. He’s just been featured in a prominent role on WWE TV and has never truly embarrassed himself. I’m genuinely not surprised if he were an actual bigger needle-mover. My problem with him in AEW is that he’s surrounded by a circus that makes what he represents so much more trivial, no matter how good he actually is.

I don’t blame people for still loving him, but I have actually seen people who feel that in their own ordering of kayfabe — trying to make this shit make sense — he got his ass kicked in WWE and went to AEW to be a big fish. People think way differently about professional wrestling than the Observer would have you believe.

I’m not saying this is a popular opinion or whatever. But there are a lot of people who just can’t seem to, at least at this point, get into the idea of Bryan Danielson vs. what he was as Daniel Bryan — right, wrong or otherwise. Meanwhile a lot of AEW fanboys are throwing their arms up like this is Nash and Hall joining WCW in 1996.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

NXT rating up 28%.

TPWW Thursday Night Watch-along rating up 200%.

The numbers don’t lie.

How did they mess up Rex Steiner’s name already? Bron Breaker? Lmaoooo that sounds like what a sitcom or kids cartoon show would name a wrestling character.

[xrodmuc316]

Tony Khan On AEW Audience: “We Have A More Affluent Fanbase”

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

All those middle aged white guys wearing sweatpants to AEW shows are SUPER AFFLUENT :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:


https://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/2021/09/tony-khan-on-aew-audience-we-have-a-more-affluent-fanbase/

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah, citation needed.

[slik]

AEW has teamed up with The Owen Hart Foundation


This collaboration includes launching the annual Owen Hart Cup Tournament within AEW, which will see the winner receive a Cup known as “The Owen,” as well as the production and distribution of unique and original Owen Hart merchandise, including specified retail goods as well as the upcoming AEW console video game.

This alliance incorporates opportunities to develop Owen Hart action figures via AEW’s partnership with Jazwares, apparel, posters, and additional collectable merchandise. Owen Hart is survived by his wife, Dr. Martha Hart, who spearheads The Owen Hart Foundation with a mission of providing global aid to at-risk communities (e.g., scholarships, housing, various forms international assistance, food drives, backpack giveaways and Christmas projects).

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEW</a> and The Owen Hart Foundation (<a href="https://twitter.com/owen_foundation?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@owen_foundation</a>) Enter Into A Relationship to Honor World Renowned Wrestler Owen Hart’s Legacy<br><br>To read the full release visit - <a href="https://t.co/Ba1WJx0PJS">https://t.co/Ba1WJx0PJS</a> <a href="https://t.co/Y43ZNydS9V">pic.twitter.com/Y43ZNydS9V</a></p>&mdash; All Elite Wrestling (@AEW) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEW/status/1439967601854226434?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 20, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[xrodmuc316]

AEW has teamed up with The Owen Hart Foundation



<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEW</a> and The Owen Hart Foundation (<a href="https://twitter.com/owen_foundation?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@owen_foundation</a>) Enter Into A Relationship to Honor World Renowned Wrestler Owen Hart’s Legacy<br><br>To read the full release visit - <a href="https://t.co/Ba1WJx0PJS">https://t.co/Ba1WJx0PJS</a> <a href="https://t.co/Y43ZNydS9V">pic.twitter.com/Y43ZNydS9V</a></p>&mdash; All Elite Wrestling (@AEW) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEW/status/1439967601854226434?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 20, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

If whoever wins "The Owen" doesn't carry it around everywhere and flaunt it as much as possible they should get it revoked!

[slik]

agreed lol

[Evil Vito]

This is fantastic news. Super pumped for the tourney and for him to be in the video game.

[Bad News Gertner]

Tony Khan milking another wrestler death. At least Owen didn't die at the hands of Tony Khan like Brodie Lee.

[Evil Vito]

Also this does seem to contradict the longstanding notion that Martha Hart hates wrestling. Seems she really just hates wrestling promotions that kill her husband. Imagine that.

[Bad News Gertner]

It's really weird that they are doing all with for a wrestler who never stepped foot in the ring. Kinda like when the WWE inducts someone in their Hall of Fame who never wrestled there.

[slik]

Hope Ricky Starks wins the initial 'The Owen' cup

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Kevin Steen gonna be the first winner.

Whoever it is, they have to beat MJF for it.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I hope Vince sues AEW for every dollar they are worth. Using Owen Hart like this is just taunting WWE. His family is sick for agreeing to this. He was a WWE guy no matter what.</p>&mdash; 41 Savage (@TheRedacted1) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheRedacted1/status/1439990919948914690?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 20, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[GD]

Holy shit!

[Jordan]

This is really good for the memory of Owen.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Feels exploitative as hell. Surprised they haven’t used Vickie Guerrero to pump Eddie Guerrero’s image all over merchandise yet.

[Sepholio]

Ricky Starks is now permanently replacing Mark Henry on commentary for Rampage.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I’m so ready for this promotion to be cancelled and just go away. Fucking wrestling, man.

[Lock Jaw]

Don't think it is going to go away anytime soon.... if Impact wrestling can still be alive, then survival chances are good....

[Supreme Olajuwon]

The Owen thing is very cool. Surprised they named a tournament for him over Brodie though.

[rez]

Khan family need to sell off Fulham F.C. AEW is booming but Jaguars ....well, are the Jags.

[rez]

they then could hire Noid in as an executive wrestling consultant

[rez]

https://thespun.com/nfl/afc-south/jacksonville-jaguars/photos-of-urban-meyers-jacksonville-house-going-viral

I'm not a big fan of the guy but they're totally reaching. These college coaches get way outta their comfort zone, fo sho.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Haha! Awesome, <a href="https://twitter.com/Giannis_An34?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Giannis_An34</a> TikTok with the caption “taking it with me everywhere” <a href="https://twitter.com/AEW?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AEW</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/AEWonTNT?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AEWonTNT</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/tntdrama?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@tntdrama</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEW</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> <a href="https://t.co/Taa2xyntkU">pic.twitter.com/Taa2xyntkU</a></p>&mdash; All Elite Review Podcast (@AEReviewPod) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEReviewPod/status/1440107518047490053?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 21, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[rez]

I’m so ready for this promotion to be cancelled and just go away. Fucking wrestling, man.

And there you are. Negative Noid hates others' fun and wants to kill it.

[#1-norm-fan]

Cornette praised this week’s AEW Dynamite. Gave it “2 thumbs up”. :y::y:

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Hell has officially frozen over

[Mr. Nerfect]

Cornette praised this week’s AEW Dynamite. Gave it “2 thumbs up”. :y::y:

Didn’t get through his entire review, so I don’t know what I disagree and agree with there, but I disagreed with him on NXT 2.0. Not so much the particulars, he and Brian made some great points about logic that could be tightened up, and he saw a lot of potential in the guys. But NXT 2.0 was a way easier watch than your average Dynamite.

[XL]

Is he on the payroll?

[drave]

Going by the past here, he MUST be a paid shill. Shame on him!!!




Cornette SouledOut?!!?!

[Evil Vito]

Bryan Danielson pens a goodbye letter to WWE in the Players Tribune (https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/bryan-danielson-wrestling-wwe-aew)

And this is why he's one of, if not the most respected current wrestler in the business. Seriously a class act. Boggles my mind that anyone could actually be mad at him for leaving.

[Triple A]

Arthur Ashe getting set up

cool @ big screens above the ring

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E_1KBJKVcBIqK8C?format=jpg&name=small

[slik]

love that

[Evil Vito]

That looks super cool, can't wait to see it in action tomorrow.

[Evil Vito]

Show will be done around midnight assuming all of Rampage is being taped after Dynamite, the lights out match between Kingston/Mox and Suzuki/Archer will probably be the last match of the night then, and really Kingston doing the post-show speech to send everyone home will be super fitting.

I'd imagine a ton of people will be flocking to the Willets Point train after that. Subways heading into Manhattan every 15 min or so. My hotel is conveniently located a block away from both Penn Station and the end of the 7 line, so even someone who sucks at navigating like me can't possibly fuck up getting back.

[Sepholio]

Vito just jinxed himself into a night of wandering the mean streets of Metropolis into the wee hours of the morning. He will be telling us stories of how all the buildings looked the same and he thought he had slipped into a parallel dimension horror film.

[Sepholio]

I love you Vito. Please don't get accosted by wraiths and/or eaten by zombies.

[Evil Vito]

Haha, generally when I've ventured into city public transport I'm always with a buddy that lives there and they know exactly what train to go on and when.

Leaving NXT Takeover at WM weekend in 2019, I made the mistake of getting on an express train instead of a local. My hotel was again right next to a subway station, that we then promptly went right past lol.

[Triple A]

Feel like it's going to be really annoying to travel in and out of the venue

I drive past it every day on my way home and during the US Open there is always a massive backup of cars at the exit

My friend is driving in to Queens anyway so gonna drive with him

[Evil Vito]

AEW told everyone to arrive early

Apparently everyone listened because there is exactly one line to get into the tennis center and it’s enormous 25 minutes before doors open

[Sepholio]

Hope you fellas have a great time. Hope to see some TPWW signage on TV tonight!

[Triple A]

AEW told everyone to arrive early

Apparently everyone listened because there is exactly one line to get into the tennis center and it’s enormous 25 minutes before doors open

They gotta check everyone for vaccinations also... gonna be annoying waiting on that long ass line

[Bad News Gertner]

The Rogers Centre did that at the Jays game I went to and it took two seconds.

[rez]

jealous!

https://www.tpww.net/images/signs/raw6.jpg

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">‘AEW: Dynamite’ Sets January Date for TBS Move, ‘Rampage’ to Remain on TNT <a href="https://t.co/YmRfmOEtgH">https://t.co/YmRfmOEtgH</a></p>&mdash; Variety (@Variety) <a href="https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1441081280079216646?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 23, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[XL]

So the TNT Championship becomes the Rampage title for all intents and purposes? I can live with that.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

They’ve said they will keep it the TNT title even with a move to TBS.

[slik]

It's rumored the TBS Title will be the secondary women's title

[Mr. Nerfect]

So, with people all over the internet now going “See! AEW must be doing well for TNT to keep it in the slot!”, are people willing to admit that it wasn’t doing that well in order for it to be moved?

Of course not. Gotta have your cake and eat it too.

[slik]

Moved to a Network that is in more homes than TNT, yes, huge failure indeed. On top of ratings or near the top every Wednesday night on cable. Giant failure. Massive.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;All Elite Wrestling (AEW) today announced the signing of Satnam Singh, an international phenom best known as the first-ever player from India to be drafted by the National Basketball Association. The 7’3” Singh was drafted by the Dallas Mavericks in 2015&quot; via Press Release. <a href="https://t.co/QoMlur2h6R">pic.twitter.com/QoMlur2h6R</a></p>&mdash; Denise Salcedo (@_denisesalcedo) <a href="https://twitter.com/_denisesalcedo/status/1441116489772199949?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 23, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This was the 3rd-highest Dynamite ever in both total viewership and 18-49. <br><br>#1 and #2 are the debut episode (10/2/2019) and the post-All Out episode on September 8, respectively, in both categories.</p>&mdash; Brandon Thurston (@BrandonThurston) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrandonThurston/status/1441129015394275335?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 23, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Mr. Nerfect]

Moved to a Network that is in more homes than TNT, yes, huge failure indeed. On top of ratings or near the top every Wednesday night on cable. Giant failure. Massive.

Doesn’t matter how many homes TBS is in it it’s a comedy re-run channel, bro. TBS has been an elephant graveyard for years. Also, they’re nowhere near the most viewed showed on cable. Wrestling marks make a big deal out of an archaic demo in 2021 to make their favorite product look good. Advertisers care about way more, which is why AEW is still getting the boot for hockey (how’s its “key demo?”).

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;All Elite Wrestling (AEW) today announced the signing of Satnam Singh, an international phenom best known as the first-ever player from India to be drafted by the National Basketball Association. The 7’3” Singh was drafted by the Dallas Mavericks in 2015&quot; via Press Release. <a href="https://t.co/QoMlur2h6R">pic.twitter.com/QoMlur2h6R</a></p>&mdash; Denise Salcedo (@_denisesalcedo) <a href="https://twitter.com/_denisesalcedo/status/1441116489772199949?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 23, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Their version of The Great Khali. Tell me how this product is different.

[Mr. Nerfect]

1.27 for Dynamite in Arthur Ashe. Hahaha, wow.

It’s their 3rd highest ever, but this was basically a free PPV. Realistically, this was their biggest round to fire. I don’t know if AEW can ever crack its debut rating. It’s just not good enough.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Vince McMahon vindicated again. Maybe in 10 years, Vince will run off Rex Steiner and AEW can make a big deal out of that for 800k viewers?

[slik]

They just keep winning!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AEW Dynamite was #1 on the day among cable originals in 18-49, well ahead of Real Housewives on Bravo. The latter did a 0.39 demo rating.<br><br>There were many premiers on broadcast. The Masked Singer led overall with a 1.11 demo rating (4.7 million viewers total).</p>&mdash; Brandon Thurston (@BrandonThurston) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrandonThurston/status/1441131286165274628?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 23, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Mr. Nerfect]

NXT got 746k. The difference between NXT and AEW is about the same as the difference between Raw and AEW.

Raw beat them in that bullshit demo stuff too. Hahaha. “The steak...is over.”

[Mr. Nerfect]

They just keep winning!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AEW Dynamite was #1 on the day among cable originals in 18-49, well ahead of Real Housewives on Bravo. The latter did a 0.39 demo rating.<br><br>There were many premiers on broadcast. The Masked Singer led overall with a 1.11 demo rating (4.7 million viewers total).</p>&mdash; Brandon Thurston (@BrandonThurston) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrandonThurston/status/1441131286165274628?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 23, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This attitude is why this shit never gets any better, and why it doesn’t grow.

[#1-norm-fan]

Third highest rating they’ve ever pulled. WHAT A FAIL.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dynamite this week led Raw in M18-49: 434,000 viewers to Raw's 419,000 in that demo. The lead was carried by Dynamite's M35-49 audience.<br><br>Full report is now up with analysis across more than a dozen demos and a full listing of the day's TV competition.<a href="https://t.co/2ewhqrT9ol">https://t.co/2ewhqrT9ol</a></p>&mdash; Brandon Thurston (@BrandonThurston) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrandonThurston/status/1441135535209189377?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 23, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Mr. Nerfect]

Third highest rating they’ve ever pulled. WHAT A FAIL.

If this doesn’t crack 1.4 million people, what will? This took their top acquisitions, put them in a giant building on a PPV caliber card on free TV. People would rather watch The Masked Singer.

And yeah, even their highest numbers are pretty measly when you take them in context. Just because Grandma Paula has the best radish pie in town doesn’t mean it’s a good meal.

But you’re just a fair and honest observer, right? Get off it. You suck their pond water like anyone else.

[Mr. Nerfect]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dynamite this week led Raw in M18-49: 434,000 viewers to Raw's 419,000 in that demo. The lead was carried by Dynamite's M35-49 audience.<br><br>Full report is now up with analysis across more than a dozen demos and a full listing of the day's TV competition.<a href="https://t.co/2ewhqrT9ol">https://t.co/2ewhqrT9ol</a></p>&mdash; Brandon Thurston (@BrandonThurston) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrandonThurston/status/1441135535209189377?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 23, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Hahaha, they’ve got to peel back every little detail they can to try and edge out any sort of positive news.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Since a bunch of fanboys were calling AEW’s arbitrary success in 18-49 the past two weeks “wins,” I want to hear them have the integrity to at least call Arthur Ashe a loss. But they don’t.

Demo doesn’t matter. Viewership barely matters. What matters is how much money a network can squeeze out of you for advertising. AEW is a immature, sweary, niche geek show. Keep telling yourself it’s kicking up a storm.

[#1-norm-fan]

Their version of The Great Khali. Tell me how this product is different.

Because he’s tall and Indian, right? Yeah, you’re not a try-hard when it comes to AEW bashing at all.

God, Aussies are fucking dense!

[ron the dial]

just a little baby filling up his diaper

[Triple A]

lol psycho...

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Because he’s tall and Indian, right? Yeah, you’re not a try-hard when it comes to AEW bashing at all.

God, Aussies are fucking dense!

Calling him the great khali cuz he’s brown and tall? That’s not racist at all.

[#1-norm-fan]

The racism/xenophobia coming out on top of his freak outs at the mention of a wrestling company doing well in any area compared to WWE lends credence to my theory that Noid handed his account over to CyNick.

[drave]

Are AEW Execs hi-fiving in the hallways??????

[Damian Rey 2.0]

The racism/xenophobia coming out on top of his freak outs at the mention of a wrestling company doing well in any area compared to WWE lends credence to my theory that Noid handed his account over to CyNick.

They’ve continually pulled 1m views and good demo numbers, their merch is red hot, they’re taking in money at the turnstiles, and they just got a TV deal extension and raise after adding an hour and getting moved to a channel with slightly more availability across the country. Oh and they just topped their own PPV buys on top of Jim fucking Cornette praising what they’re producing and more.

How anyone can try and call them a failure is beyond me. Just being an idiot for the sake of it.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

It's rumored the TBS Title will be the secondary women's title

Please tell mad this is false lol

[xrodmuc316]

I am so tired of these supposed journalists "moving the goalpost" as they say. So they lose the demo they have been crowing about forever, and suddenly its "Well we still won Men in that demo". If that is the important demo, why wait until now to bring it up?

Wrestling would be so much better without these turd reporters.

[xrodmuc316]

Please tell mad this is false lol

TitsBeShowing Title :drool:

[Mr. Nerfect]

Because he’s tall and Indian, right? Yeah, you’re not a try-hard when it comes to AEW bashing at all.

God, Aussies are fucking dense!

That’s literally what the press release says, dude. They’re making a big deal out of him being Indian. Got to love that critical reading the US school system teaches.

[ron the dial]

they aren't the ones who called him the great khali, though.

[Mr. Nerfect]

they aren't the ones who called him the great khali, though.

I said it’s their version. WWE hired Khali because he was tall and Indian too.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol, and there are the insults. People very uncomfortable with the truth.

[ron the dial]

Stop being a baby.

[#1-norm-fan]

That’s literally what the press release says, dude. They’re making a big deal out of him being Indian. Got to love that critical reading the US school system teaches.

They made a big deal about him being the first player from India to be drafted by an NBA team. That’s not the same as “making a big deal about him being Indian”. He’s a groundbreaking pro athlete. But you saw “tall” and “Indian” and decided to jump on another desperate “AEW bad” gripe.

Critical reading. Lol

[xrodmuc316]

Great Khali was jacked though. Sounds like this skinny nerd is just a failed NBAer. He is their El Gigante.

[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">‘AEW: Dynamite’ Sets January Date for TBS Move, ‘Rampage’ to Remain on TNT <a href="https://t.co/YmRfmOEtgH">https://t.co/YmRfmOEtgH</a></p>&mdash; Variety (@Variety) <a href="https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1441081280079216646?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 23, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Bit surprised Rampage is staying on TNT since the whole purpose of moving Dynamite was due to preemption issues with NBA and NHL games, especially during the playoffs.

Guess Rampage's late time start and having less preemption issues made TNT way more willing to digest that problem whenever it comes up.

[James Steele]

https://i.ibb.co/pRSgRMY/noid.png

[screech]

Are AEW Execs hi-fiving in the hallways??????

The true mark of a winner!

[screech]

For real want to see a behind the scenes video of WWE or AEW employees high-fiving each other after someone comes up with a really dumb idea. This would be funnier if it was at WWE HQ, but I'm not picky. Suits celebrating mediocre shit would be hilarious.

[drave]

Suits celebrating SUCH GOOD SHIT.

[BigCrippyZ]

https://i.ibb.co/pRSgRMY/noid.png

:lol:

[drave]

I'm voting for "or something" being what's taken place.

[slik]

STD signed in to rep me and let me know AEW is failing in the rep comment. Thank you Slicky lol.

[#1-norm-fan]

Damn. STD said that?

RIP AEW

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brett Weitz, TBS/TNT/TruTV General Manager is very happy with AEW. <a href="https://t.co/JIoffvkBLc">pic.twitter.com/JIoffvkBLc</a></p>&mdash; The Macho Beard (@Machobeard4life) <a href="https://twitter.com/Machobeard4life/status/1441197886704734211?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 24, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Not sure what would possess someone to spend a bunch of time and energy trying to tell an enthusiastic fanbase that &quot;actually AEW is bad bro.&quot;<br><br>It's like the UFC fans who defend poor fighter pay. Going to have to further cull WWE cheerleaders from the timeline.</p>&mdash; TheRealSnowden (@JESnowden) <a href="https://twitter.com/JESnowden/status/1441459212257665026?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 24, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/solomonster?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@solomonster</a> clips have made it on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TicTok?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#TicTok</a> <a href="https://t.co/rMvTY0BKBm">pic.twitter.com/rMvTY0BKBm</a></p>&mdash; Austin Saxton (@austinWolf223) <a href="https://twitter.com/austinWolf223/status/1441254618848120832?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 24, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Mr. Nerfect]

I am so tired of these supposed journalists "moving the goalpost" as they say. So they lose the demo they have been crowing about forever, and suddenly its "Well we still won Men in that demo". If that is the important demo, why wait until now to bring it up?

Wrestling would be so much better without these turd reporters.

They’re trying to sell subscriptions, I guess. WWE = bad and Not WWE = good is the easiest way to milk money from marks. You can see through any of this bullshit, but you’ll have people like Smeat who regurgitate it as fact even if you can think past it in a second, and you even have people like #1-wwf-fan who will sea lion the shit out of this company.

In viewership they lost. In the alleged “key demo” (absolute bullshit pushed by the newsletters) they lost. The way they gather the information for Raw is false on its face. Anything to spin a story and make the “babyfaces” look good. And very few people have the integrity to admit it, and will insult the people who point it out.

[Mr. Nerfect]

STD signed in to rep me and let me know AEW is failing in the rep comment. Thank you Slicky lol.

Why would you even bring this up? Why would you check your rep? Insecure as shit.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Not sure what would possess someone to spend a bunch of time and energy trying to tell an enthusiastic fanbase that &quot;actually AEW is bad bro.&quot;<br><br>It's like the UFC fans who defend poor fighter pay. Going to have to further cull WWE cheerleaders from the timeline.</p>&mdash; TheRealSnowden (@JESnowden) <a href="https://twitter.com/JESnowden/status/1441459212257665026?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 24, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Criticism and opinions bad. Where was this logic when people were bashing the WWE for 20 fucking years? Goddamn it, this fanbase is sooooo insecure.

Take shots at WWE and it’s all gravy. Insult AEW? “Why would you do that, bro?” Fuck off. AEW sucks. It isn’t popular. It isn’t good. It’s funded by a billionaire who gets his blood money from dirty places just like Vince McMahon. And celebrating this shit as special holds everything back.

[Bad News Gertner]

Slik told me SlickyTrickyDamon is shaving his head?

[Mr. Nerfect]

That’ll draw more than Matt Hardy vs. Orange Cassidy.

[GD]

It seems like Noid has reverted back to trolling people for enjoying AEW. I thought he was making some progress, being a decent human being and just enjoying bits and parts.

[Sting Fan]

You want good wrestling takes? TPWW says avoid the Noid…

[GD]

He's not that bad. A little aggressive at times because wrestlers and promotions don't cater to his preferred style of wrestling. Seems frustrated...that's all.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

He’s fucking annoying and all he does is bitch and moan about a product he claims not to watch but can’t stop talking about and insult others for either liking the product or discussing things read in the dirt sheets. Damn near every quote tweet of his falls into those categories. I’m surprised more people haven’t muted him at this point.

[weather vane]

No. He’s being a complete dickhead about it. If he did that in person he would either get asked/told/forced to leave or punched out. It is the internet though, so he can really do whatever he wants without repercussion.. as long as he has thick skin. There is a way to debate/discuss. This is being a cocksucker just for the sake of it.

[weather vane]

I’m a football fan. I don’t like the CFL. I’m not going to a big fans CFL party and talking about how shit it is. Not the most astute example but you get what I mean.

[weather vane]

Plus he’s just condescending in general. Who the fuck wants to hang around or discuss anything with that guy?

[ron the dial]

i feel as though i am on the verge of finally accepting, through utter shame and disgust with my own tastes as revealed to me by this diaper boy's sanctimonious rasslin rants, that i have been the idiot all along.

[ron the dial]

I HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT DEAR JESUS

[Mr. Nerfect]

No. He’s being a complete dickhead about it. If he did that in person he would either get asked/told/forced to leave or punched out. It is the internet though, so he can really do whatever he wants without repercussion.. as long as he has thick skin. There is a way to debate/discuss. This is being a cocksucker just for the sake of it.

And this is good debate? I present my cases and no one can do anything but insult *me*. I do take jabs when people are credulous or illogical, but no one has a fucking answer for my takes. They just call me names and say I’m trying to ruin their fun.

Discussing wrestling is fun for me. More fun than actually watching the current shit. I’m wrestling obsessed, but even that has worn thin and I’m actually upset by it. It’s closure I never wanted to reach.

Where is this vitriol for people who don’t like WWE? It stopped existing post 2016 when I said Alexa Bliss was the shits and people attacked me for that. Welly, welly, welly.

People are allowed to not think what you think. People can enjoy AEW if they want. I point out why it is bad and not helping wrestling in the way people say it is. Then I get attacked and am told that I cannot discuss/debate while no one has an argument for what I say. Ever. Ironically, you folk are the ones that try to shut down my good time. Only you can’t do it with anything other than ad hominem.

Try harder. Be better.

[GD]

Noid is just misunderstood. He means well.

[mike adamle]

Man Noid's been doing the same shit for years now. Hope life gets better for you to the point where you might be able to enjoy something.

[screech]

Don't get why anyone engages with noid about AEW at this point. He's just going to be a giant bitch about it. He lost the ability to have real discussions years ago.

[Blonde Moment]

Don't get why anyone engages with noid about AEW at this point. He's just going to be a giant bitch about it. He lost the ability to have real discussions years ago.

All he is good for now is a little entertainment if you need to blow off some steam.

[Evil Vito]

TPWW is way better with Noid on ignore. He used to be a good poster but it’s gotta be at least 5 or 6 years in the rear view mirror at this point. Now all he does is get mad that people like something he doesn’t like and try to ruin everyone’s fun. Sad.

[drave]

And this is good debate? I present my cases and no one can do anything but insult *me*. I do take jabs when people are credulous or illogical, but no one has a fucking answer for my takes. They just call me names and say I’m trying to ruin their fun.

Discussing wrestling is fun for me. More fun than actually watching the current shit. I’m wrestling obsessed, but even that has worn thin and I’m actually upset by it. It’s closure I never wanted to reach.

Where is this vitriol for people who don’t like WWE? It stopped existing post 2016 when I said Alexa Bliss was the shits and people attacked me for that. Welly, welly, welly.

People are allowed to not think what you think. People can enjoy AEW if they want. I point out why it is bad and not helping wrestling in the way people say it is. Then I get attacked and am told that I cannot discuss/debate while no one has an argument for what I say. Ever. Ironically, you folk are the ones that try to shut down my good time. Only you can’t do it with anything other than ad hominem.

Try harder. Be better.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol at people regurgitating the same bullshit talking points. I’m not the one that cannot have a discussion. Don’t you think it might be the people just waving away anything I say without actually responding to it are the ones with the difficulty there? Hmm.

The problem is that some people can’t handle being challenged. Everyone says they can and that they do. But when they actually have the reasoning behind their thinking questioned, they get defensive and insecure. How many posts in a row are just people going “Noid’s just an asshole. He won’t let people enjoy things”?

How about explaining *why* you enjoy them? Or why you think they are good? And how many times do I have to explicitly state, point blank: People enjoying AEW is not the issue. People being unable to make arguments as to why they think it is good is. Don’t piss on my leg and tell me it’s raining.

Nope. Much easier to say that Noid just doesn’t like the rain. Nah, I don’t like bathing in urine. But there are literally about three people left on TPWW who are smart enough to understand that. And yeah, that might sound insulting, but it’s not like it’s not fucking true, lol.

And again: Where is all this “just let people enjoy it” defense of the WWE? Why does it make any sense to get all indignant at people saying “AEW sucks” if the narrative in the same place is going to be “WWE sucks?” I’m not saying WWE doesn’t suck. But where is the consideration there? It doesn’t exist. Because it’s only convenient for the cult to use it when it suits them.

[drave]

I have fun watching it, most of it. I try not to think too hard beyond that, you know, being a yank with no critical thinking skills and what not.



Same with WWE when I did watch it. I've been on the WWE sucks wagon for about 6-7 years now. I cannot pinpoint the exact catalyst, I just know I found myself not giving a shit anymore, and bored by what was on the TV.



AEW seems entertaining right now, but isn't perfect. There it is, nothing more :)

[Mr. Nerfect]

Take, for example, my argument that the Nielsen ratings are not worth what people on AEW’s dick make them out to be. That they’re compromised of archaic data measuring an increasing archaic medium. Why would advertisers go out of their way to appeal to 200k 49 year old white men through cable television? What about my suggestion that advertisers are interested in other stakeholders now, including women, LGBT+ and POC. That the audience for AEW might be fiercely loyal, but is there any evidence that it’s much deeper than the people who watch weekly, or that their audience is willing to spend money on other things, or be consumers advertisers would want engaging with their products?

Has ANYBODY tried to engage with that point...ever? You maybe have a 14 year old boy level response from someone “No, you’re wrong. You don’t understand TV like *I* do, because here is my appeal to authority,” but you don’t get anyone disputing the actual logic of my thinking there. Because they can’t. Because I. Am. Fucking. Right.

That’s why AEW got booted off TNT for a sport that generates a way lower “key demo” than them. Because AEW might get higher numbers, but it has less appeal than hockey, and it’s just possible that hockey attracts more unique viewers over a season than the 1.1 million diehards that watch AEW every week.

Yep, I am the one that cannot have a discussion.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I have fun watching it, most of it. I try not to think too hard beyond that, you know, being a yank with no critical thinking skills and what not.



Same with WWE when I did watch it. I've been on the WWE sucks wagon for about 6-7 years now. I cannot pinpoint the exact catalyst, I just know I found myself not giving a shit anymore, and bored by what was on the TV.



AEW seems entertaining right now, but isn't perfect. There it is, nothing more :)

That’s a fair enough subjective view to have. Entirely your prerogative. But do you see what I mean when you’re allowed to say WWE sucks, but not liking AEW is trying to stop people from enjoying things. It’s just that one’s en vogue to shit on, the other isn’t.

My argument has always been that for the majority of wrestling fans who don’t want to engage with wrestling beyond the immediate sense of it (the “casual fan”), AEW does way too much goofy, in the weeds, deep-cut, ironic bullshit that is going to disengage that viewer, or turn off people potentially attracted to the star power they obtain when they get a CM Punk or Bryan Danielson.

The average fan doesn’t want to see something like Orange Cassidy that slaps in the face that they’re engaging with artless fiction, because they are not obsessed on a molecular level with all things pro-wrestling. Being a glutton for punishment isn’t in their DNA like it is people who can actually get through a three hour Raw.

My big gripe with AEW is that it isn’t a wrestling show. It’s a parody show aimed at the most hardcore fan of the wrestling genre. That isn’t for everyone, it isn’t tailor-made for the successes of something that is closer to what has historically worked in wrestling. This isn’t a show aimed at people who liked Raw in 1997 or 1998. It’s a show aimed at people who actively don’t like Raw now.

1.1 million people.

[Mr. Nerfect]

That could be what it is. But it would be nice to have a true alternative to the WWE that doesn’t rely on the narrative that they’re this stale oppressor as the source material for all its drama. It would be great if there was something at a certain level in wrestling, with a certain accessibility and prestige, that presented pro-wrestling in a way that doesn’t have to be insecure with that being what it is. It would be nice to have a promotion that can take these stars from Vince and really challenge him to adapt the way he presents his product, instead of validating his decisions and billions of dollars.

It would also be nice if the narrative surrounding the promotion we do have wasn’t one of “they’re so fucking great, wow so great” when there are common sense reasons and actual evidence that they’re not. And if they want to be a niche product that appeals to 1.1 million people when it is unopposed by any other wrestling (“appeals” might be too strong a word there), then fine. But can we stop this forced narrative of “they’re beating Raw they’re so good!” when you have to squint and sometimes compare separate weeks, looking at very specific subsets of the audience to make that case?

If AEW wanted to be its own style of sports entertainment? Ugh, fine. It’s the last thing I needed, but whatever. But again, it’s the pissing on my leg. If they were fine being that, we wouldn’t have these weekly parties over a largely arbitrary and trivial number that comes in.

[weather vane]

It’s not like you don’t have some good points. It’s just exhausting to debate with you. Plus you hate 99% of what they do so why bother? I like most/a lot of what they do. All wrestling companies did some dumb shit over the years. Even when WWF and WCW were red hot, so many bad decisions. I just like to enjoy it and let it play out as it may. Just like I did back then. Sure I can recognize the crap and even call them out for it… but you just shit on it as a whole. You also do it like an asshole. You can’t blame anybody for feeling the way they do towards you but yourself.

[weather vane]

And the ratings thing is just fun! It’s trivial. Who cares? It brings some people back to the Monday Night Wars. It isn’t THAT serious. You are being a rain cloud. Nobody likes a rain cloud.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I have a lot of great points. And what’s wrong with me not liking 99% of what they do? I can explain why 99% of it is bad. Why do I have to see things the way you do to have a discussion with you? The irony is completely lost on TPWW, lol. Yep, it’s me that won’t let people have their opinions.

And this has got nothing to do with the WWF or WCW being perfect. Neither was. But both were also able to do things that worked en masse and didn’t run away millions of viewers (until they did).

This whole “I can call them out” blanket of “I’m actually objective” is just silly too. It’s a way of trying to artificially boost a perspective by making it appear to be the balanced one, hence implying that other takes are not. It doesn’t actually rely on reason. If half the people who could allegedly call out AEW on the stupid shit they did sometimes, then we’d have a lot more of a fruitful discussion and maybe more than 1.1 million people watching.

And the ratings being trivial? That may be your take to dismiss the hoopla surrounding it, but it is definitely not the case that everyone thinks this way. It’s deadly serious to some people. Look at how personally people take it even here.

[drave]

That’s a fair enough subjective view to have. Entirely your prerogative. But do you see what I mean when you’re allowed to say WWE sucks, but not liking AEW is trying to stop people from enjoying things. It’s just that one’s en vogue to shit on, the other isn’t.

My argument has always been that for the majority of wrestling fans who don’t want to engage with wrestling beyond the immediate sense of it (the “casual fan”), AEW does way too much goofy, in the weeds, deep-cut, ironic bullshit that is going to disengage that viewer, or turn off people potentially attracted to the star power they obtain when they get a CM Punk or Bryan Danielson.

The average fan doesn’t want to see something like Orange Cassidy that slaps in the face that they’re engaging with artless fiction, because they are not obsessed on a molecular level with all things pro-wrestling. Being a glutton for punishment isn’t in their DNA like it is people who can actually get through a three hour Raw.

My big gripe with AEW is that it isn’t a wrestling show. It’s a parody show aimed at the most hardcore fan of the wrestling genre. That isn’t for everyone, it isn’t tailor-made for the successes of something that is closer to what has historically worked in wrestling. This isn’t a show aimed at people who liked Raw in 1997 or 1998. It’s a show aimed at people who actively don’t like Raw now.



I couldn't care less for ratings, nor other people telling me something is "shit". Everyone has their views.


I do not equate AEW with WWE in any capacity. I see two wrestling companies who go about things very differently, and I like that. When I am watching AEW, I am not hate-watching out of spite for WWE, I just typically like what is on. Their women's division is shit, and a lot of the lower/mid-carders are super green, but the majority of what I do tune in for is very fun.


I stopped watching WWE when I was just bored and didn't give a shit about what was happening anymore. I don't watch either company because of something the other does or doesn't do.


Also, who gives a shit about what has historically worked. it's great to buck the trend and even greater when it is successful. There's more than one way to do nearly all things in life, and more power to those who make it happen.


Overall, I view it as a chance for more talent to have more opportunity, and at the end of the day, that's a net positive for the industry as a whole. I hope that AEW continues to grow. I think the industry as a whole would be better off for it.

[drave]

I have a lot of great points. And what’s wrong with me not liking 99% of what they do? I can explain why 99% of it is bad. Why do I have to see things the way you do to have a discussion with you? The irony is completely lost on TPWW, lol. Yep, it’s me that won’t let people have their opinions.

And this has got nothing to do with the WWF or WCW being perfect. Neither was. But both were also able to do things that worked en masse and didn’t run away millions of viewers (until they did).

This whole “I can call them out” blanket of “I’m actually objective” is just silly too. It’s a way of trying to artificially boost a perspective by making it appear to be the balanced one, hence implying that other takes are not. It doesn’t actually rely on reason. If half the people who could allegedly call out AEW on the stupid shit they did sometimes, then we’d have a lot more of a fruitful discussion and maybe more than 1.1 million people watching.

And the ratings being trivial? That may be your take to dismiss the hoopla surrounding it, but it is definitely not the case that everyone thinks this way. It’s deadly serious to some people. Look at how personally people take it even here.


You can call them out, you can be a shithead all you like. Its things like when Smeat simply posts "news" here for everyone to look at (not just members, but guests as well) and you personally attack him for it. They aren't HIS views nor HIS opinions, he is simply posting news and rumors much like this site always has. Go shit on Fightful or Meltzer or Bixenspan.... the people ACTUALLY "reporting" this stuff.



Now, people shit on you as well, which isn't right (in some cases) either. You are a self-professed "obsessed wrestling fan" which is a level of fandom I don't think many people fathom, let alone understand. Your level of fandom goes well beyond the casual viewer, but most people don't really care for that level of whatever. When they fail to understand it, they shit on you or you shit on them unwarranted and things devolve into the same ole schtick.



I'd argue most people are like me, in that they tune in sometimes and if what is on the TV entertains them, they'll watch till the next commercial break. AEW/WWE/WCW, etc. Put any three letters you want and there is always "something else" to watch for your average viewer.

[#1-norm-fan]

Their version of The Great Khali. Tell me how this product is different.

Because he’s tall and Indian, right? Yeah, you’re not a try-hard when it comes to AEW bashing at all.

God, Aussies are fucking dense!

That’s literally what the press release says, dude. They’re making a big deal out of him being Indian. Got to love that critical reading the US school system teaches.

They made a big deal about him being the first player from India to be drafted by an NBA team. That’s not the same as “making a big deal about him being Indian”. He’s a groundbreaking pro athlete. But you saw “tall” and “Indian” and decided to jump on another desperate “AEW bad” gripe.

Critical reading. Lol

The guy who says people fake being objective to strengthen their credibility does shit like this and then acts like he’s the victim truth-teller against a bunch of biased AEW marks.

As long as he’s unwilling or unable to see the issue here it’s just a never-ending circle. Noid desperately comes up with ridiculous things to shit on AEW about, he gets called out on it, claims bias, rinse, repeat.

Stick to actual gripes with the product. There’s plenty. Or keep coming up with stupid ones but do it with a wink and a grin.

The asinine, bullshit points mixed with “YOU ALL CAN’T HANDLE THESE TRUTH BOMBS” smugness is the problem. And even when you do actually come up with a fair gripe, that stink remains tied to you.

[#1-norm-fan]

And yes, I fully expect this to end up with “No, you!” “Projecting hard!” “Lol Project much!?!”

And no, I don’t have a good answer for “Why do you even engage with Noid anymore.”

And yes, I am aware he could be trolling and I’m just “falling into the trap.”

Hope that addressed most of the posts on the upcoming page or two.

[screech]

lol if he's trolling I'll give him credit for really sinking his teeth into the gimmick. Leaving the forum because people liked Alexa Bliss was a great touch.

[xrodmuc316]

This is basically everybody's take on AEW to Mr Nerfect :rofl:

https://i.imgflip.com/5obvsn.jpg

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Noid is just misunderstood. He means well.

No he’s not and no he doesn’t.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I couldn't care less for ratings, nor other people telling me something is "shit". Everyone has their views.


I do not equate AEW with WWE in any capacity. I see two wrestling companies who go about things very differently, and I like that. When I am watching AEW, I am not hate-watching out of spite for WWE, I just typically like what is on. Their women's division is shit, and a lot of the lower/mid-carders are super green, but the majority of what I do tune in for is very fun.


I stopped watching WWE when I was just bored and didn't give a shit about what was happening anymore. I don't watch either company because of something the other does or doesn't do.


Also, who gives a shit about what has historically worked. it's great to buck the trend and even greater when it is successful. There's more than one way to do nearly all things in life, and more power to those who make it happen.


Overall, I view it as a chance for more talent to have more opportunity, and at the end of the day, that's a net positive for the industry as a whole. I hope that AEW continues to grow. I think the industry as a whole would be better off for it.

If everyone has their views, why can’t I have mine? Why are they immediately intrusive and threatening to other people’s? You say you don’t care about the ratings, which may or may not be true, but you KNOW that isn’t the case in general. Stop with that.

They don’t go about things very differently though. You are allowed to have an “opinion” about that, but when people point out how they do things exactly the same, those people get shit on. And it’s not just me.

You can profess that you don’t give a shit about WWE or whatever. Again, you KNOW that isn’t the general attitude the hardcore fan has about AEW and the WWE. To tie it into ratings, that’s why you have forced news stories about AEW beating WWE in men 18-34 in cities beginning with “B” if you take the rating against the football against the one from three weeks later when everything else had a test pattern.

And to whoever said it about Smeat: I don’t jump on him for dropping news. Wtf? I used to defend Smeat, but my issue with him now is that he takes “news” that can clearly be dismantled in a heart-beat, and regurgitates them as true, throwing his hands up with no ownership over it. THAT’S my issue with him and he knows it.

God help you if you come to TPWW for the news, lol.

The guy who says people fake being objective to strengthen their credibility does shit like this and then acts like he’s the victim truth-teller against a bunch of biased AEW marks.

As long as he’s unwilling or unable to see the issue here it’s just a never-ending circle. Noid desperately comes up with ridiculous things to shit on AEW about, he gets called out on it, claims bias, rinse, repeat.

Stick to actual gripes with the product. There’s plenty. Or keep coming up with stupid ones but do it with a wink and a grin.

The asinine, bullshit points mixed with “YOU ALL CAN’T HANDLE THESE TRUTH BOMBS” smugness is the problem. And even when you do actually come up with a fair gripe, that stink remains tied to you.

You cannot see how AEW signing a big, tall Indian athlete to gain attention and traction in India is in any way like the WWE signing a big, tall dude to gain traction in the same market? This is really the “ridiculous” thing you’re going to cling to? Odd hill to die on.

See, I like discussing things re: wrestling. But you love to argue for the sake of it, to the point that you actually lose any firm position and often argue based on semantics or a projected interpretation of what you want to respond to. You’re not a dummy like so many people, but you’re a giant sea-lion just waiting to say “Well, actually” to people, regardless of whether or not you authentically believe what you’re saying, or that even they said what you’re saying.

Yes, AEW signing a green giant from India is very similar to the same business decision the WWE made to bring in Dalip Singh. That is not a ridiculous claim to make, lol.

Also like how it basically turns into “You’re right, but because people don’t like you, they won’t admit it,” which is basically what I’ve been saying all alone. Thanks. :y:

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Fan once again exposing the truth

[Lock Jaw]

They made a big deal about him being the first player from India to be drafted by an NBA team. That’s not the same as “making a big deal about him being Indian”. He’s a groundbreaking pro athlete. But you saw “tall” and “Indian” and decided to jump on another desperate “AEW bad” gripe.

Critical reading. Lol

Going back to read stuff I didn't read because I don't care to read arguments.... but.....

I'll give you this point. It isn't the same as "making a big deal about him being Indian". It is making a big deal about someone else making a big deal about him being Indian. I guess it removes the process a little bit.

[#1-norm-fan]

That’s literally what the press release says, dude. They’re making a big deal out of him being Indian. Got to love that critical reading the US school system teaches.

They made a big deal about him being the first player from India to be drafted by an NBA team. That’s not the same as “making a big deal about him being Indian”. He’s a groundbreaking pro athlete. But you saw “tall” and “Indian” and decided to jump on another desperate “AEW bad” gripe.

...


The asinine, bullshit points mixed with “YOU ALL CAN’T HANDLE THESE TRUTH BOMBS” smugness is the problem. And even when you do actually come up with a fair gripe, that stink remains tied to you.

Also like how it basically turns into “You’re right, but because people don’t like you, they won’t admit it,” which is basically what I’ve been saying all alone. Thanks. :y:

“Mr. Nerfect: King of Critical Reading”.

Maybe I’ll combine all these posts into a book or something for you to read next time you take a break from wrestling and the words being said to you will finally register.

[Emperor Smeat]

And to whoever said it about Smeat: I don’t jump on him for dropping news. Wtf? I used to defend Smeat, but my issue with him now is that he takes “news” that can clearly be dismantled in a heart-beat, and regurgitates them as true, throwing his hands up with no ownership over it. THAT’S my issue with him and he knows it.


I've literally been posting the same way for news for years.

Your the one who suddenly decided over the past two years to go on this big ranting anti-IWC/dirtsheets crusade as if your the one who suddenly knows about everything in wrestling and everyone else, including actual experts who know way more than your dumbass does, is immediately wrong if they have different views or goes against your confirmation bias towards AEW and wrestling you don't like.

You've also been very cherry picking news or points to use in your arguments as well which is the very same thing you've been accusing others of doing these past couple years so don't come at me about me just "regurgitating" news or being a Meltzer/dirtsheets sheep you fucking dipshit.

Go back to fucking reading a book or two since that big rant you did before about taking a huge break and hating TPWW and wrestling obviously didn't fool anyone since your annoying ass came right back here.

[drave]

If everyone has their views, why can’t I have mine? Why are they immediately intrusive and threatening to other people’s? You say you don’t care about the ratings, which may or may not be true, but you KNOW that isn’t the case in general. Stop with that.


You can have yours. I didn't tell you that you couldn't, nor did anyone else to my knowledge? It seems the issue is that not many share your view, and you see that as people telling you "you can't". Or just post whoever told you that you can't?


"In general" would definitely refer to the "casual" viewer - who I can guarantee you doesn't even know what a "good" rating would be. I don't read into ratings, it doesn't move any needle any direction.


They don’t go about things very differently though. You are allowed to have an “opinion” about that, but when people point out how they do things exactly the same, those people get shit on. And it’s not just me.


Okay. You stated they did stuff outside "traditional" means, not me. I just watch whatever is on and decide if I like it *shrug*. I change it if I don't.


You can profess that you don’t give a shit about WWE or whatever. Again, you KNOW that isn’t the general attitude the hardcore fan has about AEW and the WWE. To tie it into ratings, that’s why you have forced news stories about AEW beating WWE in men 18-34 in cities beginning with “B” if you take the rating against the football against the one from three weeks later when everything else had a test pattern.


I really don't though. There is a PPV tonight that a family member will come over to watch and I don't know a single match that's on the card. Whatever forced news stories that involve A beating B in Demo C is not important to me. I am a damn filthy casual (barely) fan.


And to whoever said it about Smeat: I don’t jump on him for dropping news. Wtf? I used to defend Smeat, but my issue with him now is that he takes “news” that can clearly be dismantled in a heart-beat, and regurgitates them as true, throwing his hands up with no ownership over it. THAT’S my issue with him and he knows it.

God help you if you come to TPWW for the news, lol. [/QUOTE]


He doesn't own the news he posts though, see? So go take up your issue with the actual owner of the "news" perhaps? Smeat has done the same style of post since the beginning, and it's easily verifiable.

[drave]

If everyone has their views, why can’t I have mine? Why are they immediately intrusive and threatening to other people’s? You say you don’t care about the ratings, which may or may not be true, but you KNOW that isn’t the case in general. Stop with that.


You can have yours. I didn't tell you that you couldn't, nor did anyone else to my knowledge? It seems the issue is that not many share your view, and you see that as people telling you "you can't". Or just post whoever told you that you can't?


"In general" would definitely refer to the "casual" viewer - who I can guarantee you doesn't even know what a "good" rating would be. I don't read into ratings, it doesn't move any needle any direction.


They don’t go about things very differently though. You are allowed to have an “opinion” about that, but when people point out how they do things exactly the same, those people get shit on. And it’s not just me.


Okay. You stated they did stuff outside "traditional" means, not me. I just watch whatever is on and decide if I like it *shrug*. I change it if I don't.


You can profess that you don’t give a shit about WWE or whatever. Again, you KNOW that isn’t the general attitude the hardcore fan has about AEW and the WWE. To tie it into ratings, that’s why you have forced news stories about AEW beating WWE in men 18-34 in cities beginning with “B” if you take the rating against the football against the one from three weeks later when everything else had a test pattern.


I really don't though. There is a PPV tonight that a family member will come over to watch and I don't know a single match that's on the card. Whatever forced news stories that involve A beating B in Demo C is not important to me. I am a damn filthy casual (barely) fan.


And to whoever said it about Smeat: I don’t jump on him for dropping news. Wtf? I used to defend Smeat, but my issue with him now is that he takes “news” that can clearly be dismantled in a heart-beat, and regurgitates them as true, throwing his hands up with no ownership over it. THAT’S my issue with him and he knows it.

God help you if you come to TPWW for the news, lol.


He doesn't own the news he posts though, see? So go take up your issue with the actual owner of the "news" perhaps? Smeat has done the same style of post since the beginning, and it's easily verifiable. You rail hard on him as if he is the one coming up with the news and rumors himself.


:wave:

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Noid asking why can’t he have his views when we’re allowed to, even though he attacks everyone’s views as wrong because they don’t align with whatever he thinks wrestling should be.

[screech]

^ that's been his entire personally for like four years

[Bad News Gertner]

Gotta say, I agree with Mr. Nerfect.

[weather vane]

Haha Gertner is the best. Biggest pot stirrer in the league.

[Bad News Gertner]

:?:

[#1-norm-fan]

What’s a tro- ... pot stirrer?

[Bad News Gertner]

Wow, everyone gaining up on me for expressing my opinion. I know how Mr. Nerfect feels.

[BigCrippyZ]

So many people here who post the same essentially BS are more or less trolls. It's not that big of deal. Still don't know how the folks in charge don't ban them, but whatever. There are still just enough great posters here regardless. I just try my best to avoid responding to the trolls, especially unnecessarily.

[GD]

Noid just wants y'all to accept his logical takes and acknowledge his brilliance.

[slik]

https://www.tpwwforums.com/customavatars/avatar14383_2.gif I agree to this stipulation

STD in the mud!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Red Sox lose, Patriots Lose. Fuck, time for bed and <a href="https://twitter.com/TheJimCornette?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheJimCornette</a> Expierence. Ah shit. It's about AEW Grand Sham. Damn it.</p>&mdash; Ryan Damon (@rdamon1982) <a href="https://twitter.com/rdamon1982/status/1442345552310677504?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 27, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“Best match (Omega) has had in his life. Danielson was great and Omega hung in there with him. Best 30 minutes of Dynamite ever. Dynamite Grand Slam was fantastic top to bottom. AEW’s best show, and better than any WWE show I can remember in years”<br><br>Jim Cornette <a href="https://t.co/DyjFJnmdVF">pic.twitter.com/DyjFJnmdVF</a></p>&mdash; The Macho Beard (@Machobeard4life) <a href="https://twitter.com/Machobeard4life/status/1442294989309022214?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 27, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Jordan]

The "neck" aspect of that match. I've never experience the story of a wrestling match affect the crowd so intensely. Kenny kept upping the stakes as the match went on with moves he'd do to Danielson's head/neck and the crowd was just along for the ride, so much so that I felt like I was back in the 80's watching a big MSG show and the crowd would just be following along with the guys in the ring perfectly. Feeling the blows to the crowd favorite.

That's what it was like. There were spots where it felt like together we all knew that Danielson shouldn't kick out, but he would. It wasn't long to realize they were gonna go Broadway but it didn't matter because Danielson kept kicking out of all Kenny's brutal offense.

It was such a cool match to experience.

Darby/Sting vs FTW was just like that but the tag version, where some classic tag tropes that are super affective when done well had the crowd just eating out of the palm of their hands. Sting must have felt like a f'n Icon by the reception he got and how everyone popped for all his offense. Such a cool match and event. Partially because this giant 20k audience is for the most part at certain times completely unified about something. It could be Jericho's song or Jungle Boy's or CM Punk. Adam Cole's gimmick which is crazy over or maybe it's just awesome pro wrestling and everyone in the audience is cheering for the good guy and the bad guy keeps getting one over on him until your guy gets his chance for some heat and you and the rest of the crowd just pop like 10 years old's watching Stone Cold and The Rock or Hulk Hogan and Sting.

[erickman]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“Best match (Omega) has had in his life. Danielson was great and Omega hung in there with him. Best 30 minutes of Dynamite ever. Dynamite Grand Slam was fantastic top to bottom. AEW’s best show, and better than any WWE show I can remember in years”<br><br>Jim Cornette <a href="https://t.co/DyjFJnmdVF">pic.twitter.com/DyjFJnmdVF</a></p>&mdash; The Macho Beard (@Machobeard4life) <a href="https://twitter.com/Machobeard4life/status/1442294989309022214?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 27, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

cornett liked the show better then you did trip a

[drave]

“Best match (Omega) has had in his life. Danielson was great and Omega hung in there with him. Best 30 minutes of Dynamite ever. Dynamite Grand Slam was fantastic top to bottom. AEW’s best show, and better than any WWE show I can remember in years”

Jim Cornette pic.twitter.com/DyjFJnmdVF (https://t.co/DyjFJnmdVF)
— The Macho Beard (@Machobeard4life) September 27, 2021 (https://twitter.com/Machobeard4life/status/1442294989309022214?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) <script async="" src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>




Clearly he's being paid by AEW now, right?

[Jordan]

I think the pandemic rut of AEW really did a toll on Cornette. Seeing his reviews over the summer for AEW its obvious that he's not a troll but just giving his true opinions. If he likes it he tell you, if he doesn't he tell you. He'd have been marking out like everyone else there live if he had been there. Although I know he hates coming to NYC and probably never will again, it was truly a wrestling time travel machine to be at that show and watch that match.

[drave]

LIAR!!!! HE CANNOT POSSIBLY LIKE IT FOR REALLY REAL!

[XL]

cornett liked the show better then you did trip a

*than

[xrodmuc316]

Pot Stirring is bullshit. You Stir what is in the pot, not the pot itself.

Discuss

[drave]

Does it matter who threw the stuff in the pot, or do we just yell at anyone?

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Full Gear announced for the target center. They’re gonna pack in another 20k for that show. Maybe more.

[Evil Vito]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

Going back to read stuff I didn't read because I don't care to read arguments.... but.....

I'll give you this point. It isn't the same as "making a big deal about him being Indian". It is making a big deal about someone else making a big deal about him being Indian. I guess it removes the process a little bit.

AEW is the one making the statement, so I don’t think it even removes that. He’s tall and Indian. That is why he has been signed. I don’t know why #1-wwf-fan is so uncomfortable about admitting this.

I've literally been posting the same way for news for years.

Your the one who suddenly decided over the past two years to go on this big ranting anti-IWC/dirtsheets crusade as if your the one who suddenly knows about everything in wrestling and everyone else, including actual experts who know way more than your dumbass does, is immediately wrong if they have different views or goes against your confirmation bias towards AEW and wrestling you don't like.

You've also been very cherry picking news or points to use in your arguments as well which is the very same thing you've been accusing others of doing these past couple years so don't come at me about me just "regurgitating" news or being a Meltzer/dirtsheets sheep you fucking dipshit.

Go back to fucking reading a book or two since that big rant you did before about taking a huge break and hating TPWW and wrestling obviously didn't fool anyone since your annoying ass came right back here.

I’ve literally been responding to bullshit the same way for years. Isn’t it funny that context changes things? In my case, it’s because AEW is a precious bub that must be protected. In your case, it’s easy to think through the “news” you post. Which in many cases, no — doesn’t come from “experts,” haha.

You can have yours. I didn't tell you that you couldn't, nor did anyone else to my knowledge? It seems the issue is that not many share your view, and you see that as people telling you "you can't". Or just post whoever told you that you can't?


"In general" would definitely refer to the "casual" viewer - who I can guarantee you doesn't even know what a "good" rating would be. I don't read into ratings, it doesn't move any needle any direction.





Okay. You stated they did stuff outside "traditional" means, not me. I just watch whatever is on and decide if I like it *shrug*. I change it if I don't.





I really don't though. There is a PPV tonight that a family member will come over to watch and I don't know a single match that's on the card. Whatever forced news stories that involve A beating B in Demo C is not important to me. I am a damn filthy casual (barely) fan.


And to whoever said it about Smeat: I don’t jump on him for dropping news. Wtf? I used to defend Smeat, but my issue with him now is that he takes “news” that can clearly be dismantled in a heart-beat, and regurgitates them as true, throwing his hands up with no ownership over it. THAT’S my issue with him and he knows it.

God help you if you come to TPWW for the news, lol.


He doesn't own the news he posts though, see? So go take up your issue with the actual owner of the "news" perhaps? Smeat has done the same style of post since the beginning, and it's easily verifiable.[/QUOTE]

I can’t make sense of most of this, but people actually get upset because my opinion challenges theirs. You are a bunch of low-effort things saying things like “Noid won’t let anyone have fun.” That is what that is. Don’t lie and say it doesn’t happen, haha.

By the way: This doesn’t bother. People also like to spin it into me crying about being a victim. It’s just super-fucking telling about what the “IWC” is like. I used to hate that term, because people generally think so differently, but it is like this hive-mind. Even people you’d think would be more critical of being fed a load of shit go out of their way to try and curb criticism of this thing.

So many people here who post the same essentially BS are more or less trolls. It's not that big of deal. Still don't know how the folks in charge don't ban them, but whatever. There are still just enough great posters here regardless. I just try my best to avoid responding to the trolls, especially unnecessarily.

Lol, look who is calling for censorship. BCZ was all on my dick when I pointed out how bad WWE was (back when I was ruining fun that way — now it’s okay). But when I pointed out that there was rhyme and reason behind why NXT wouldn’t go in guns blazing against AEW from the start, he called me a cocksucker and started a hate campaign against me that he is now pretending to be above.

Even others on here have identified this guy as an “AEW fanboy” to the point of losing all reason. Shut the fuck up, BigCrippyZ.

I think the pandemic rut of AEW really did a toll on Cornette. Seeing his reviews over the summer for AEW its obvious that he's not a troll but just giving his true opinions. If he likes it he tell you, if he doesn't he tell you. He'd have been marking out like everyone else there live if he had been there. Although I know he hates coming to NYC and probably never will again, it was truly a wrestling time travel machine to be at that show and watch that match.

Of course their his real views. Cornette has always given his real opinion on things. It just unsettles people that he sees through AEW’s horse shit and holds it up against logic. “Hiss, Cornette bad.”

Really telling that people are making a big deal out of Cornette praising something he thought was good, as opposed to making the fuss about AEW actually doing something that Cornette thought was good. There’s way more difference between that any AEW signing 7-foot-something guys from India being radically different to the WWE signing 7-foot-something guys from India.

That quote sounds isolated and removed from all other context though, lol. Would he have liked it more than WALTER and Draganov? Got no idea, but it sounds like cherry-picked praise. I’ll listen to his podcast later though.

I’m still not going to watch the match. I just can’t bring myself to care. AEW has done their absolute best to run me off. Cornette has the burden of this kinda being his job. I don’t have to watch everything. So I’m not. A step in the right direction? Dunno. But this isn’t exactly a shocking turn of events, given Danielson was there. I just can’t bring *myself* to care.

[Mr. Nerfect]

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That’s more TPWW reacting to Noid making a valid point about AEW.

[BigCrippyZ]

I can’t make sense of most of this, but people actually get upset because my opinion challenges theirs. You are a bunch of low-effort things saying things like “Noid won’t let anyone have fun.” That is what that is. Don’t lie and say it doesn’t happen, haha.

By the way: This doesn’t bother. People also like to spin it into me crying about being a victim. It’s just super-fucking telling about what the “IWC” is like. I used to hate that term, because people generally think so differently, but it is like this hive-mind. Even people you’d think would be more critical of being fed a load of shit go out of their way to try and curb criticism of this thing.



Lol, look who is calling for censorship. BCZ was all on my dick when I pointed out how bad WWE was (back when I was ruining fun that way — now it’s okay). But when I pointed out that there was rhyme and reason behind why NXT wouldn’t go in guns blazing against AEW from the start, he called me a cocksucker and started a hate campaign against me that he is now pretending to be above.

Even others on here have identified this guy as an “AEW fanboy” to the point of losing all reason. Shut the fuck up, BigCrippyZ.




Nah, I'm good, thanks.

Yeah, it's a real shocker that I would have no problem with you or anyone else being censored or excluded by a private person or entity from using their property or platform to express a viewpoint they disagree with. :roll:

[xrodmuc316]

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[Jordan]

AEW is certainly the best wrestling in the world! WHOOOOOOO!

[#1-norm-fan]

AEW is certainly the best wrestling in the world! WHOOOOOOO!

Jim Cornette is the best judge of wrestling in the world today. Months ago he would have gone back and forth between AEW and NXT but now he’s given multiple AEW shows rave reviews while bemoaning having to watch NXT. Seems like it’s official.

[#1-norm-fan]

Bryan does the Goldberg thing and basically pushes his claim to the belt to the side for...reasons. I’ve seen people defend this by saying “AEW isn’t WWE, they don’t hand out title shots!” Bullshit. This is straight out of WWE. They just did this. And Bryan will win the non-title match and get a title shot. Just. Like. WWE.

This is a game where I quote Noid and watch him try to make his own version of the English language so he doesn’t have to admit he projected another “lolAEW” moment that didn’t happen because he’s a try-hard desperately looking for things to shit on.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Lmaooo he’s not going to address that head on. He projected something to happen that hasn’t happened before and didn’t happen when he predicted it, and he’ll dance around it and try to find a new “a ha!” moment that hasn’t happened yet.

Idk how anyone could argue with Cornette. While I think a lot of his schtick is just that, I also think he’s brutally honest and him looking what AEW has been doing of late is genuine. You can heart the excitement in his voice.

Imagine they keep doing well enough to get him to cameo and punch out Dan Lambert for gimmick infringement.

[xrodmuc316]

I dont listen to Cornette hardly ever, but I caught like a 30 second clip where he was making up lyrics to Punk's theme, I got a good chuckle out of him going "Like Mussolllllllini, and Seth Rollllllins" :rofl:

[#1-norm-fan]

His ad reads are fucking hilarious lately.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It's a first-time ever match THIS WEDNESDAY on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a>. Who is your pick to win between <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamColePro?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AdamColePro</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/boy_myth_legend?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@boy_myth_legend</a>? <a href="https://t.co/Z31Uk5E5r5">pic.twitter.com/Z31Uk5E5r5</a></p>&mdash; All Elite Wrestling (@AEW) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEW/status/1442477876088037381?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 27, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Jordan]

I pick Jungle Boy for the upset!

[Jordan]

I'm really hoping that AEW adds a big match for tomorrow night. I think that not capitalizing on last weeks mega show with at least one major star on for this week is a mistake. Give us a Punk vs Hook, Danielson vs Matt or Nick Jackson or even Brandon Cutler. No Mox? No Jericho? AEW has several actual big money draws and they should be using at least one per week.

Also, AEW needs to focus on pushing Malakai Black and Andrade El Idalo. Those two are money and are on the cusp of being considered stars, keep the push going! Get Andrade involved with Mox or Jericho, something major. Malakai and Cody can continue I guess but I'd really like to see Malakai get into it with The Pinnacle if they don't mind to have him get a babyface style spotlight, he wouldn't have to change at all, MJF would just be a great heel thus making Malakai the babyface.

Malakai vs PAC also would be incredible. Malakai vs Orange Cassidy/Best Friends could be decent too.

But Malakai should go up from Cody so let's just pull the goddamn trigger and have Malakai clean CM Punk's clock with that kick and start the money feud of the year. Punk and Malakai is a dream match for me, Black always reminded me of an evolved version of CM Punk. Let's fn go! YEAH

[James Steele]

I’m still not going to watch the match. I just can’t bring myself to care. AEW has done their absolute best to run me off. Cornette has the burden of this kinda being his job. I don’t have to watch everything. So I’m not. A step in the right direction? Dunno. But this isn’t exactly a shocking turn of events, given Danielson was there. I just can’t bring *myself* to care.

...yet you still post ad nauseum about how shitty something is while refusing to watch it or *care* about it?

[screech]

lol "I can't bring myself to care, but here are 75 more posts about this company"

thankful for the ignore feature. have to remember to rep Triple A for that

[screech]

shit, we haven't been able to watch the "grand slam" editions of Dynamite/Rampage yet. no one told me a newborn would hinder our TV watching so much.

I blame Supreme

[ron the dial]

i enjoyed dark elevation last night. spent at least half of the episode doing promo/interview stuff related to the grand slam shows. the men of the year backstage promo especially stood out.

[Emperor Smeat]

According to Fightful, Mall of America in Minneapolis, Minnesota is currently interested in hosting a Dynamite show in the future.

For some wrestling historical context, this was the location of WCW's first ever Nitro show that featured Lex Luger's surprise return to the company after spending a few years in WWF.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We're all for it! It worked great the first time. <a href="https://twitter.com/AEW?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AEW</a> brings the ����</p>&mdash; Mall of America (@mallofamerica) <a href="https://twitter.com/mallofamerica/status/1442546377528053766?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 27, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Mall of America wants to make history again.

On September 4, 1995, the premiere episode of WCW Nitro debuted on TNT. The event was held at the Mall of America in Minneapolis, Minnesota and was headlined by Hulk Hogan taking on Big Bubba Rogers.

Aside from being the debut episode of WCW Nitro, the show made headlines as Lex Luger made an appearance, officially jumping ship of WWE to WCW. Luger has wrestled at a WWE Live Event just the night before.

With AEW coming to Minnesota in November, Mall of a America would welcome back wrestling to the shopping center.

AEW will hold its Full Gear pay-per-view on November 13 from the Target Center in Minnesota. The company will also hold Dynamite and Rampage at the Target Center in the week leading up to Full Gear.

AEW has paid tribute to WCW nostalgia recently, holding AEW Dark tapings at Universal Studios.

[Bad News Gertner]

That would be cool

[weather vane]

I’d love that. Sucks that border is closed. Would be driving there if not.

[Lock Jaw]

That would be quite the step backwards for them.

[Vastardikai]

Starks vs Lockhart was very good on Dark, and I am not really a "workrate" guy. It also told a good story.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

shit, we haven't been able to watch the "grand slam" editions of Dynamite/Rampage yet. no one told me a newborn would hinder our TV watching so much.

I blame Supreme

Hahahahaha, enjoy your baby, jerk!

[Bad News Gertner]

shit, we haven't been able to watch the "grand slam" editions of Dynamite/Rampage yet. no one told me a newborn would hinder our TV watching so much.

I blame Supreme

Put the crib in the closet and shut the door

Problem solved.

[#1-norm-fan]

Luckily, new fathers are not part of the key demo.

[#1-norm-fan]

They’re not even part of the Noid demo. That’s only rich black people and... giant Indians? I don’t remember. I may be getting my arguments mixed up.

[Bad News Gertner]

I expect that baby to be in the closet Thursday at 9pm so you can join our Classic Wrestling watch

[ron the dial]

baron von raschke > fatherhood

[BigCrippyZ]

They’re not even part of the Noid demo. That’s only rich black people and... giant Indians? I don’t remember. I may be getting my arguments mixed up.

:lol:

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Starks vs Lockhart was very good on Dark, and I am not really a "workrate" guy. It also told a good story.

Starks could end up being a star. Love everything he’s done in the company so far. I just want more. I’m hoping he and Punk get a program.

[#1-norm-fan]

I expect that baby to be in the closet Thursday at 9pm so you can join our Classic Wrestling watch

baron von raschke > fatherhood

I’m currently giving away the chance at a free PPV in the thread. That’s like a $19.99 USD value in 1986 and that’s not even factoring inflation. If TPWW Thursday night rasslin isn’t worth abandoning your newborn child, I don’t know what is.

[Jordan]

Brandi is delusional

[Vastardikai]

Starks could end up being a star. Love everything he’s done in the company so far. I just want more. I’m hoping he and Punk get a program.

Darius Lockhart was the VPW Champion (the local Indy Fed in Thomson, GA)

[Jordan]

https://i.ibb.co/m9zjNkP/20210930-020202.jpg

[Jordan]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Let's do it <a href="https://t.co/A9fTbBYOyE">https://t.co/A9fTbBYOyE</a> <a href="https://t.co/fKRlrt8wyn">pic.twitter.com/fKRlrt8wyn</a></p>&mdash; Internet #BlackLivesMatter (@cjzero) <a href="https://twitter.com/cjzero/status/1443405177822789635?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 30, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Jordan]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Arn Anderson if someone tried to rob his car <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> <a href="https://t.co/YIhGdoPnbW">pic.twitter.com/YIhGdoPnbW</a></p>&mdash; Italo Santana (@BulletClubIta) <a href="https://twitter.com/BulletClubIta/status/1443378435750039555?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 30, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Jordan]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Never a damn victim.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEW</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> <a href="https://t.co/B0Rc349JzP">pic.twitter.com/B0Rc349JzP</a></p>&mdash; Arn Anderson (@TheArnShow) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheArnShow/status/1443379824236531715?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 30, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Jordan]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Arn Anderson next week on Dynamite. <a href="https://t.co/pkbl2tMWVb">pic.twitter.com/pkbl2tMWVb</a></p>&mdash; Garrett Kidney (@garrettkidney) <a href="https://twitter.com/garrettkidney/status/1443423298793127939?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 30, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Jordan]

It's really amazing how over the past years we've seen some drop in promo's from territory legends on TV. In WWE we've had Michael Hayes and Mick Foley drop in to set off some really intense promo's. When they get to "that point" where they let off a bomb that just totally blows away the depth of what the modern day superstars talk about.

In AEW we've got some really great promo guys from Jericho and Cody who have delivered some of the best promo's in recent history. Don Callis and Omega who are more than capable, and MJF and CM Punk who are probably the only guys who can approach that level of intensity that someone like Arn, Hayes or Foley brings to a promo.

Good shit Arn. Way to make this angle matter because it was going down the drain in some aspects. Not as far as what they've done but where you could see it going.

[weather vane]

Arn made me care.

[Mr. Nerfect]

1.1

The ghost of TNA lives on.

[Lock Jaw]

I was actually thinking of the period when I watched TNA from roughly 2006-2007 I think.... and I think they probably actually had a better show going on than AEW does right now.... at least I remember being more entertained by the shows and stories on the whole than I am by AEW thus far....

(And for more reasons than just Christian Cage being world champ/main event)

[Emperor Smeat]

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[Vastardikai]

Tosh has a stupid rivalry with Arn Anderson. I think he's watching his back, now.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Eric Bischoff talked some real sense about AEW and the 18-49 bullshit perpetuated by the internet community recently.

[Jordan]

Something I noticed about Danielson after last night. He's obviously a huge deal wrestler to have on board. Kind of the perfect guy for AEW in every aspect. The thing is that right now the audience is responding to him primarily based on his amazing work in WWE. We are still looking at Daniel Bryan, we haven't see the change to American Dragon yet.

I think that will just take a bit of time. But here we are a month and two matches in and he has delivered in every aspect. He's the fucking man. But I am excited to see how his stories develop in AEW and how his personality starts to connect with the AEW audience specifically.

[Jordan]

My prediction for the upcoming weeks.

We have the Casino Ladder Match on Wednesday with a bunch of great talents Mox, Archer, Hardy, Andrade, PAC and OC plus the Joker. I don't think any of those guys makes any sense to go against Kenny any time soon so I am gonna guess the Joker will be Hangman Page. He wins the ladder match, get's the contract and challenges for Full Gear.

With that as the main event I think AEW could be building to a certain tag team match that could be incredible. CM Punk and Danielson have both mentioned the idea of them teaming against The Young Bucks.

With Kenny busy at Full Gear with Hangman, I think that now would be the time to do that tag match. I don't think that Punk will be feuding with Team Taz all the way til Full Gear so he can be inserted into the fray in the coming weeks.

Early Predicitons for Full Gear:

Omega v Hangman for the AEW World Championship
Punk & Danielson vs The Young Bucks
MJF vs Darby Allin
Adam Page vs Christian Cage

With the TNT Championship there is one angle I think could be really interesting, depending on what their actual plans are. They could do a four-way match with Sammy v MJF v Darby v Jungle Boy. The four pillars going for the gold. Could be really good shit.

[Vastardikai]

My prediction for the upcoming weeks.

We have the Casino Ladder Match on Wednesday with a bunch of great talents Mox, Archer, Hardy, Andrade, PAC and OC plus the Joker. I don't think any of those guys makes any sense to go against Kenny any time soon so I am gonna guess the Joker will be Hangman Page. He wins the ladder match, get's the contract and challenges for Full Gear.

With that as the main event I think AEW could be building to a certain tag team match that could be incredible. CM Punk and Danielson have both mentioned the idea of them teaming against The Young Bucks.

With Kenny busy at Full Gear with Hangman, I think that now would be the time to do that tag match. I don't think that Punk will be feuding with Team Taz all the way til Full Gear so he can be inserted into the fray in the coming weeks.

Early Predicitons for Full Gear:

Omega v Hangman for the AEW World Championship
Punk & Danielson vs The Young Bucks
MJF vs Darby Allin
Adam Page vs Christian Cage

With the TNT Championship there is one angle I think could be really interesting, depending on what their actual plans are. They could do a four-way match with Sammy v MJF v Darby v Jungle Boy. The four pillars going for the gold. Could be really good shit.

If Hangman loses, the building burns to the ground, or it's just the latest chapter in the longterm storytelling. Also, you meant Adam Cole vs Cage, right?

[Jordan]

If Hangman loses, the building burns to the ground, or it's just the latest chapter in the longterm storytelling. Also, you meant Adam Cole vs Cage, right?

Yeah I typoed that. I can see Cole vs Christian at Full Gear.

[Mr. Nerfect]

My prediction for the upcoming weeks.

We have the Casino Ladder Match on Wednesday with a bunch of great talents Mox, Archer, Hardy, Andrade, PAC and OC plus the Joker. I don't think any of those guys makes any sense to go against Kenny any time soon so I am gonna guess the Joker will be Hangman Page. He wins the ladder match, get's the contract and challenges for Full Gear.

With that as the main event I think AEW could be building to a certain tag team match that could be incredible. CM Punk and Danielson have both mentioned the idea of them teaming against The Young Bucks.

With Kenny busy at Full Gear with Hangman, I think that now would be the time to do that tag match. I don't think that Punk will be feuding with Team Taz all the way til Full Gear so he can be inserted into the fray in the coming weeks.

Early Predicitons for Full Gear:

Omega v Hangman for the AEW World Championship
Punk & Danielson vs The Young Bucks
MJF vs Darby Allin
Adam Page vs Christian Cage

With the TNT Championship there is one angle I think could be really interesting, depending on what their actual plans are. They could do a four-way match with Sammy v MJF v Darby v Jungle Boy. The four pillars going for the gold. Could be really good shit.

Gotta be honest, none of those matches do it for me. That’s not a knock on your creativity, but rather where they’re going. Cole vs. Christian could be fine, but it doesn’t feel PPV level to me. AEW has done a great job at making Christian feel like just another guy. Cole for that matter too.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It’s a good thing Bryan Danielson finally had a five star match. I was getting concerned about his future in this business. Nice of Omega to help him raise his game.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

My prediction for the upcoming weeks.

We have the Casino Ladder Match on Wednesday with a bunch of great talents Mox, Archer, Hardy, Andrade, PAC and OC plus the Joker. I don't think any of those guys makes any sense to go against Kenny any time soon so I am gonna guess the Joker will be Hangman Page. He wins the ladder match, get's the contract and challenges for Full Gear.

With that as the main event I think AEW could be building to a certain tag team match that could be incredible. CM Punk and Danielson have both mentioned the idea of them teaming against The Young Bucks.

With Kenny busy at Full Gear with Hangman, I think that now would be the time to do that tag match. I don't think that Punk will be feuding with Team Taz all the way til Full Gear so he can be inserted into the fray in the coming weeks.

Early Predicitons for Full Gear:

Omega v Hangman for the AEW World Championship
Punk & Danielson vs The Young Bucks
MJF vs Darby Allin
Adam Page vs Christian Cage

With the TNT Championship there is one angle I think could be really interesting, depending on what their actual plans are. They could do a four-way match with Sammy v MJF v Darby v Jungle Boy. The four pillars going for the gold. Could be really good shit.

That would be an absolutely stacked card with the TNT 4 way. Plus you’d have Britt going up against whoever they feed her next.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The rumored ratings for Rampage are not good...

[Destor]

yeah there's no hope for growth on friday night prime time. there's a reason there's never been a successful show in that time slot ever on any station ever.

[Destor]

the fact they were put in that time slot tells you everything you need to know

[Destor]

ill walk that back just a fuzz. abc had a family sitcom block in the 90s that had some marketing success that aires on fridays. so theyre you go. to be successful on fridays sd! and rampage need to have wholesome comedy and home video footage. nothing else has ever worked.

[Destor]

because everyone else is out tryin to fuck

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah, it’s not a slot that screams “this is going places.” But hey, they are making more free content for TNT, so they may not care if it crashes and burns there, as long as they don’t leave money on the table like that something else in that slot could do.

[screech]

ill walk that back just a fuzz. abc had a family sitcom block in the 90s that had some marketing success that aires on fridays. so theyre you go. to be successful on fridays sd! and rampage need to have wholesome comedy and home video footage. nothing else has ever worked.

A network recently (may have been ABC, actually) dumped a bunch of comedy shows and went with dramas on Friday nights. I have no idea if it worked out better for them but it seemed weird to me.

[Destor]

prolly a bit too early to say if they just did it.



PREDICTION: none of the dramas get picked up for renewal

[Mr. Nerfect]

If they were aimed at older audiences, then it KINDA makes sense. Families, children, oldies. They’re the ones at home. A lot of channels over here just show old movies.

[Destor]

ya know what shouldnt air on friday night? material for 18-34 males

[screech]

prolly a bit too early to say if they just did it.



PREDICTION: none of the dramas get picked up for renewal

I think this happened in 2017. Not sure if that's too recent to really judge.

[Destor]

2017 was inhumans (1 season) and agents of shield (moved from Tuesdays and promptly died)

[Destor]

it did get a pitty half season to wrap the plot up tho

[Mr. Nerfect]

ya know what shouldnt air on friday night? material for 18-34 males

Agreed.

[rez]

ill walk that back just a fuzz. abc had a family sitcom block in the 90s that had some marketing success that aires on fridays. so theyre you go. to be successful on fridays sd! and rampage need to have wholesome comedy and home video footage. nothing else has ever worked.

yeah, TGIF time block probably did pretty well in the 90s. Full House, Family Matters, Step by Step, Boy Meets World, etc.

[Mr. Nerfect]

TGIF itself sounds like a scheme to make a time slot more attractive.

[Triple A]

Yeah Friday at 10 PM is not a good time slot. Maybe they should eventually try Saturdays at 8 PM or something, but that's also not a great slot and is when some of their PPVs air... Tuesdays and Thursdays are too close to Dynamite on Wednesday... so I guess Friday at 10 is the best available spot probably

[James Steele]

They could do the ol' Sunday Night Heat time slot.

[drave]

Against Sunday Night Football?


I don't know what time slot Heat was in, but if it is Sunday evening, that doesn't bode well.

[screech]

Heat was Sunday 7PM ET, so it would end right before football starts (if it's still an hour show)

[James Steele]

Rampage needs to stick to an hour. 3 hours is enough product a week to digest.

[#1-norm-fan]

Heat aired against football on the west coast. That was when Sunday Night Football was the “B-show” of primetime football on ESPN though so I guess that helped a little.

[James Steele]

Early Sunday evening has got to be better than late Friday night even with SNF.

[Mr. Nerfect]

There’s not really demand enough for Dynamite let alone a second show. It’s volume over quality. They provide cheap filler.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I’m interested to see what Dynamite does this week, what with Rampage being quite down and Rhodes to the Top being even more (bad?) AEW exposure.

[Triple A]

Yeah Sundays at 7 PM would actually probably be better than Fridays at 10

[mike adamle]

Does TNT already have a Tuesday 8 pm show? I don't see why they wouldn't just put Rampage against NXT especially with how NXT 2.0 is turning out.

[Triple A]

Yeah Sundays at 7 PM would actually probably be better than Fridays at 10

Actually 7 PM is usually the last 15-30 mins of the late NFL games though, so probably also not a good slot... Friday at 7 PM seems better maybe

[Destor]

id rather go head to head with football than to go head to head with procreation. its not even close

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I mean just do Thursdays at 8:00.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I mean just do Thursdays at 8:00.

Think that’s probably just too much out of their hands. I mean, obviously it is is any sense, but moving to other death slots seems more likely. Well, Thursday is a tough night for television, isn’t it? Used to be back in the day anyway. Not sure if it still is or not. May not help them that much to move, honestly.

[Triple A]

Thursday Night Football, and Khan owns an NFL team

[hb2k]

Eric Bischoff talked some real sense about AEW and the 18-49 bullshit perpetuated by the internet community recently.

I'll bet he didn't.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'll bet he didn't.

Haha, I know you’ve got a legit issue with the guy because he wasn’t fair to your book (and he wasn’t, by the way). But his points about advertising revenue being more important than the actual specific numbers makes good sense.

I largely think he’s full of shit and isn’t honest about how he mismanaged WCW into the pits and shot wrestling in the foot due to his hubris, but I think he’s right about that.

[Evil Vito]

When Noid accidentally lets it slip that he secretly likes AEW I'm gonna make the face Spongebob made when he realized that Squidward secretly liked Krabby Patties

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/BiH8fkJOonQ/hqdefault.jpg

[drave]

He LOVES wrestling overall. It would make logical sense that he LIKES AEW, just hates what they do with their on-screen product and direction, after making a promise "to be different". He knows a fuckton more than he lets on, and I believe actually WANTS it to be better.

[Triple A]

FTR gonna be using a remixed Midnight Express theme I guess... sounds cool

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[#1-norm-fan]

Nice!

[screech]

Damn that's tight.

[drave]

needs a "SAY YEEAAHHHH!"

[Evil Vito]

That theme is real good.

[Mr. Nerfect]

He LOVES wrestling overall. It would make logical sense that he LIKES AEW, just hates what they do with their on-screen product and direction, after making a promise "to be different". He knows a fuckton more than he lets on, and I believe actually WANTS it to be better.

Look, this is basically it. I was the guy who started this thread. It was around the time of the first broken promise that I was like “Mmm...been down this path before.”

And a few things bother me on petty levels. I don’t like group hysteria. It’s really cool people like things, and just because people like things doesn’t mean it’s bad. But the fandom around AEW has been disproportionate to its quality, in my opinion, which I think lets them get away with too much to stay honest. And I also think the promotion has a very smug and self-congratulatory attitude.

I want wrestling overall to be better. Not just to my own tastes, but to what actually works and creates a healthier environment for talent...5, 10, 20 years on. I’ve said it before, but I think AEW’s philosophy has been very much “get ourselves over now” with no real plans when they turn a wider audience off that everyone is going to REALLY struggle to get back.

I’d like it if AEW got better, WWE got good again, the NWA got massive, Sinclair poured money into ROH, MLW was a hit and The Rock started his own giant promotion. But wrestling just isn’t there. And with a few moves it could be.