All Elite Wrestling

[Evil Vito]

Tony Khan has posted on internet wrestling message boards before. Be hilarious if he still did.

His original user name from the early 2000s (Coach Tony K on DVDVR) was found out but you never know, he could always find another alias.

[Mr. Nerfect]

There’s no real excuse for a booker to be doing the same shit up and down a card. That’s on them to not allow. Agents should also know how structure matches in ways that fit their position on the card. You know if you’ve got a main event, a tag, a mid-card match, etc. You can assess by the people in it, the style they work, what else is on the card, how long you’ve got, etc.

For example, if you’ve got Danielson, Punk, Cole and Omega for a 25-minute tag team match in the middle of the show, even though it’s not the main event, what a smart way to structure that is. You should know how to have threads coming in and out of it. The finish will tell you a lot. If Moxley and Kingston are doing a death match later, you know you probably don’t want much brawling.

Obviously the booker should be direct with these things first and foremost, but the agents could apply more knowledge than they obviously do. And then the wrestlers down from that too. If you’ve got 5 minutes to get over and you’re on the same card as the Bucks, maybe try not to do some leg slap superkicks and dives? Find a better way.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I dunno, industry is on its ass for these reasons and so many more. If guys were smart enough to figure it out on any level, some serious holes could be plugged.

[GD]

Tony Khan's probably fanning the flames to bring more attention to his product even if it is toxic fandom. He may use this as leverage when it's time to renegotiate tv deals.

[Destor]

Really good page of posts here

[xrodmuc316]

This is all it is, really. I've bought 3 of their PPV's at that price. The last time I paid for a WWE PPV was probably the mania before everything went to the network.

I have bought 4 myself at that price, usually making that decision the day of. For me at least, that has nothing to do with the quality of WWE, but the benefit of the WWE Network. If there was no WWE Network, I would certainly buy the Rumble, Mania, and Summerslam every year, and probably one or two other random PPVs or Survivor Series, based on if they had good cards.

That is why the Network was always a great value, because at $9.99 a month I was paying $120 a year instead of $150-250 for a handful of PPVs. Part of the ease of buying an AEW PPV every so often is because I am no longer having to pay that $50 for WWE PPVs.

Going further, with $120 now going to Peacock, which I already had the $9.99 sub for before the Network moved there, I see that as an extra $120.00 for Wrestling in my entertainment budget that no longer goes toward the standalone WWE Network. Putting that towards 2 or 3 AEW PPVs a year is just 9-10 hours of bonus wrestling I get to watch now without feeling like im wasting too much money.

[Lock Jaw]

I mentioned this some other week..... but Kenny Omega and Brian Cage both have a thing where they encourage the fans to clap the Terminator theme music. There is absolutely no reason why they can't just tell one of them to stop other than that they don't like to tell people what not to do.

[Triple A]

Has Brian Cage done that? Don't remember ever seeing him do that in AEW...

[Lock Jaw]

He did it in the one match of his I saw.... that recent one....

[weather vane]

Kenny just did it. Last week maybe? Never seen Cage do it.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Cage definitely did it in his match against Starks. I don’t recall Omega doing it in AEW even though the live crowd has done the clap before. I think Omega should get rid of it and let Cage have it. Omega is over and the top guy in the company. Cage is trying to get over as a babyface who can’t talk. Let him have something that can help get fans engaged in his match.

[DaveWadding]

Cage has done that Terminator clap shit since 2015 at least.

[ron the dial]

i feel like kenny's used it for years too but not sure of the timeframe

[ron the dial]

either way someone needs to cut it out

[Jordan]

I definitely associate the terminator clap with Kenny. I never noticed it with Cage. I am anti-Cage though, I just don't like him. I saw him wrestle RVD at an impact taping and it was terrible, so ever since I really just don't care for him.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I mentioned this some other week..... but Kenny Omega and Brian Cage both have a thing where they encourage the fans to clap the Terminator theme music. There is absolutely no reason why they can't just tell one of them to stop other than that they don't like to tell people what not to do.

I’ve had this feeling for quite a few weeks that Brian Cage is not long for the AEW world. Doing the Terminator clap is insanely stupid/defiant on his part. Silly for two guys to do it.

[xrodmuc316]

“I’m of the sentiment that Tony Khan’s doing a lot of talking about nothing,” Booker T said. “Go out and produce a good show. At the end of the day, we’ll know who won, if that’s what we’re looking for, if that’s your goal post, if that’s what you’re trying to score, but all of this talk about what you’re doing and this and that back and forth, I swear man, it sounds like a little school girl saying how pretty she is over the other girls on the school yard. I could be wrong, but to me, that’s what it sounds like. It doesn’t sound like a boss."

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[Mr. Nerfect]

Everyone knows television doesn’t work the way Tony Khan is acting like it works. Makes them look stupid as shit for reacting like they just won Prom Queen. Even though they got less votes.

[Vastardikai]

And Red Velvet's ongoing feud with her cervical spine continued this past week on Dark. She attempted a Spanish Fly from the second rope on Diamante and Scorpioned herself.

[xrodmuc316]

Now Tony Khan is out here burying Eric Bischoff and Matt Sydel. He can't help himself, and I very much dislike him. I guarantee this dude's emails have way worse stuff in them than Jon Gruden's. The way he spazzes out at any criticism, I bet he has some good rants in his emails :rofl:

[Mr. Nerfect]

Now Tony Khan is out here burying Eric Bischoff and Matt Sydel. He can't help himself, and I very much dislike him. I guarantee this dude's emails have way worse stuff in them than Jon Gruden's. The way he spazzes out at any criticism, I bet he has some good rants in his emails :rofl:

Lol, why is he burying Sydal? Doesn’t he work for him?

[xrodmuc316]

Lol, why is he burying Sydal? Doesn’t he work for him?

Lol yes!

"Matt Sydal, who’s a great high flyer and great technical wrestler and very respected, but not the biggest box office name in all of wrestling." :rofl:

[BigCrippyZ]

Lol yes!

"Matt Sydal, who’s a great high flyer and great technical wrestler and very respected, but not the biggest box office name in all of wrestling." :rofl:

:roll: JFC. How are stating factual realities about a guy burying him exactly? He didn't say Sydal was worthless, had no talent, wasn't a draw at all, that he would never amount to anything, or that no one should care about him, just that he isn't yet as big of a name as other folks.

[ron the dial]

but what's the purpose of saying it at all? what does anyone gain by pointing that fact out? silly.

[BigCrippyZ]

but what's the purpose of saying it at all? what does anyone gain by pointing that fact out? silly.

In context, he was comparing their Rampage card to SD's card and the talent involved and whether he wanted to change the card, and in response to Bischoff's crticism and hypocrisy, that unlike Bischoff when he ran WCW, AEW is giving younger or less over talent matches against more over or experienced talent in an effort to eventually build and keep future stars instead of ultimately chasing them off to the competition.

[#1-norm-fan]

I was sure given the source that that quote was cherry picked in order to shit on Tony Khan. So I looked it up.

“This is the first time on a Friday we've gone head-to-head like that and I thought it was pretty aggressive what they came in with, they loaded it up with the biggest stars they have and I had to make that choice; do I change up the card we have, which has some big stars like CM Punk, who is one of the biggest names in wrestling, against Matt Sydal, who is a great high-flyer and technical wrestler and very respected, but not the biggest box office name in all of wrestling. That's a great match for the fans. I had to think if I should change that to a crazy box office match and go head-to-head, but I didn't.”

He was making the point that going with a bigger name over a talented guy without a major name was an option but he ultimately declined it. Context matters.

[drave]

lol, completely changes the tone

[BigCrippyZ]

It's purpose seemed to be to express to fans and talent who might be interested and/or hearing criticism, that AEW's not simply another WCW or mismanaged company who doesn't build or give legit chances to potential future stars, and that a lot of the people criticizing them are often hypocritical and/or have another agenda/goal.

[Sepholio]

Matt Sydal isn't a future star though. He's a high flyer who is almost 40 and in his 21st year of action. His best days are behind him.

[ron the dial]

i have no real interest in punk/sydal. this isn't 04 ROH.
i appreciate tony's rationale, but i still think it was a useless match to book.

[Fignuts]

I still agree with Sexy Wexy that there's no point in stating he's not a big name. You could leave everything else in and it would still work just fine. Hell you could have reworded it to say he's an extremely talented individual who hasn't been given the opportunity to be a star until now.

The way he worded it however, is not how a promoter should ever describe his talent.

Tony Khan continues to be his own worst enemy. Bischoff's comments were spot on.

[Bad News Gertner]

R.I.P

[Mr. Nerfect]

but what's the purpose of saying it at all? what does anyone gain by pointing that fact out? silly.

Bingo. Burying someone doesn’t need to be something malicious or in the tone of “you suck.” TK is shining a light on shortcomings for no good reason. This guy needs to shut up and get out of his own way. He doesn’t “get it.”

[#1-norm-fan]

I was sure given the source that that quote was cherry picked in order to shit on Tony Khan. So I looked it up.

“This is the first time on a Friday we've gone head-to-head like that and I thought it was pretty aggressive what they came in with, they loaded it up with the biggest stars they have and I had to make that choice; do I change up the card we have, which has some big stars like CM Punk, who is one of the biggest names in wrestling, against Matt Sydal, who is a great high-flyer and technical wrestler and very respected, but not the biggest box office name in all of wrestling. That's a great match for the fans. I had to think if I should change that to a crazy box office match and go head-to-head, but I didn't.”

He was making the point that going with a bigger name over a talented guy without a major name was an option but he ultimately declined it. Context matters.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Speaking of not getting it.

[#1-norm-fan]

Cry over some more nitpicky shit, moron.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Cry over some more nitpicky shit, moron.

There’s some high-level thinking.

[#1-norm-fan]

I guess it’s a step up from your usual tactic of shitting on AEW for something you’ve personally fantasy booked and then avoiding the matter when they don’t do it. Gotta do what you can to keep convincing yourself you’re a genius, eh?

[#1-norm-fan]

And for the record, Tony Khan says LEGIT dumb shit occasionally. To nitpick this quote even after I posted the context REEKS of desperation. I don’t care about him or AEW. I just don’t like that thing you and xrod do where you make bad points in the most arrogant manner imaginable and either refuse to see the fault or pretend not to for trolling sake. It’s a personality disorder that peeves me. We’ll call it Drofording.

[Evil Vito]

I can forgive the occasional dumb Tony Khan statement as long as he’s continuing to produce excellent professional wrestling programming.

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[#1-norm-fan]

That’s a dapper-looking motherfucker. I take back that statement I made. I DO care about Tony Kahn. He is our savior. WHO WANTS TO FIGHT ME?!

[xrodmuc316]

I was sure given the source that that quote was cherry picked in order to shit on Tony Khan. So I looked it up.

“This is the first time on a Friday we've gone head-to-head like that and I thought it was pretty aggressive what they came in with, they loaded it up with the biggest stars they have and I had to make that choice; do I change up the card we have, which has some big stars like CM Punk, who is one of the biggest names in wrestling, against Matt Sydal, who is a great high-flyer and technical wrestler and very respected, but not the biggest box office name in all of wrestling. That's a great match for the fans. I had to think if I should change that to a crazy box office match and go head-to-head, but I didn't.”

He was making the point that going with a bigger name over a talented guy without a major name was an option but he ultimately declined it. Context matters.

By cherry picking do you mean quoting the exact part where he was talking about Matt Sydal?

You got me, I didnt include the parts where he was whining about how WWE was "Aggressive" trying to hurt poor lil ole AEW, and how he had to consider not using a 38 year old 21 year pro who isnt a star but can do good jumps. Or how he pushes young stars unlike Eric Bischoff 25 years ago, when FYI the youngest WCW World Champion was 11 years younger than AEW's youngest World Champion. Hell even Bill Goldberg was only 31 when he won his first World Championship. I guess I should have included that for context because it relates completely to the 1 sentance he brought up and buried Matt Sydal.

My Bad.

And for the record, Tony Khan says LEGIT dumb shit occasionally. To nitpick this quote even after I posted the context REEKS of desperation. I don’t care about him or AEW. I just don’t like that thing you and xrod do where you make bad points in the most arrogant manner imaginable and either refuse to see the fault or pretend not to for trolling sake. It’s a personality disorder that peeves me. We’ll call it Drofording.

The context was we are being bullied, but we are so good we didnt even have to replace that nobody Matt Sydal, because we are WAY more successful than WWE and Eric Bischoff ever have been. Fuck Tony Khan, not just because he is a weird creepy jackass who cant keep his foot out of his month, but also because AEW would be much more likable if this weird creepy jackass stayed out of the public eye and shut the fuck up.

[Jordan]

Dave Meltzer and his subscriber base knows best! Tony Khan is number one! YES WE DID IT

[#1-norm-fan]

By cherry picking do you mean quoting the exact part where he was talking about Matt Sydal?

You got me, I didnt include the parts where he was whining about how WWE was "Aggressive" trying to hurt poor lil ole AEW, and how he had to consider not using a 38 year old 21 year pro who isnt a star but can do good jumps. Or how he pushes young stars unlike Eric Bischoff 25 years ago, when FYI the youngest WCW World Champion was 11 years younger than AEW's youngest World Champion. Hell even Bill Goldberg was only 31 when he won his first World Championship. I guess I should have included that for context because it relates completely to the 1 sentance he brought up and buried Matt Sydal.

My Bad.

Yes. That’s literally what I meant when I said “context matters”. Often times one sentence can sound horrible but then when you slide it into the context of the entire quote it sounds better.

Now, we can look at all this other stuff you mentioned and see if it was just a dumb thing to say or if you’re cherry picking again but first I need to know... Do you understand that quotes CAN be taken out of context or is any sentence from a larger statement free to be ridiculed on its own?

[xrodmuc316]

Yes. That’s literally what I meant when I said “context matters”. Often times one sentence can sound horrible but then when you slide it into the context of the entire quote it sounds better.

Now, we can look at all this other stuff you mentioned and see if it was just a dumb thing to say or if you’re cherry picking again but first I need to know... Do you understand that quotes CAN be taken out of context or is any sentence from a larger statement free to be ridiculed on its own?

Yes, like I said the context was "we are being bullied, but we are so good we didnt even have to replace that nobody Matt Sydal, because we are WAY more successful than WWE and Eric Bischoff ever have been."

And another point about context, check out my initial post

Now Tony Khan is out here burying Eric Bischoff and Matt Sydel. He can't help himself, and I very much dislike him. I guarantee this dude's emails have way worse stuff in them than Jon Gruden's. The way he spazzes out at any criticism, I bet he has some good rants in his emails :rofl:

Clearly not a serious tone, "context" wise bringing up Jon Gruden's emails, yet you overreacted

I was sure given the source that that quote was cherry picked in order to shit on Tony Khan. So I looked it up.

You get that was a pretty aggressive way to reply, following it up with some further loaded replies. But also, I post the best, I don't just bury other posters who are future stars here.

[#1-norm-fan]

Well, you presented it in a playful tone. You like to do that so you can always claim “I was just kidding! GOD!” if you get called out. It’s fine. Noid should adopt that strategy. It’s preferable. And I let it pass until Noid got you to double down on it. THEN I felt the need to rain on the parade with reality.

But just for future reference, as long as you put some “lol” type comment at the end, your Tony Khan gripes should not be taken seriously, right? Because again, I’m cool with that and I’ll be happy to rag on people when they take it seriously on your behalf. Maybe give a playful “lol You scallywag!” comment as a response.

[xrodmuc316]

Well, you presented it in a playful tone. You like to do that so you can always claim “I was just kidding! GOD!” It’s fine. Noid should adopt that strategy. It’s preferable. I was willing to let it pass until Noid got you to double down on it. THEN I felt the need to rain on the parade with reality.

But just for future reference, as long as you put some “lol” type comment at the end, your Tony Khan gripes should not be taken seriously, right? Because again, I’m cool with that and I’ll be happy to rag on people when they take it seriously on your behalf. Maybe give a playful “lol You scallywag!” comment in return.

Just because I find something funny does not mean there is no actual gripe, but yes when it's funny stupid there is certainly a different tone. Tony Khan trying to get himself and his show over by patting himself on the back for not pulling the "not a star Sydal" is a funnily stupid brag, and I commented poking fun. That is not giving myself an out, but it is also not an angry discussion.

I quoted the part about Sydal because Nerfect was surprised Khan would say that. That was not an intention to cherry pick in order to spin it, but I stand by it. That is a shitty way to describe a member of his roster. And it wasnt even beforehand to get an underdog story going, he said it after Sydal already lost. It is comical.

[Fignuts]

Y'all need jesus.

[#1-norm-fan]

I need the ability to ignore people with personality traits I find annoying. I freely admit this is a problem I have.

[drave]

Maybe the golden-laced-diaper baby Jesus version.

[slik]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

I guess it’s a step up from your usual tactic of shitting on AEW for something you’ve personally fantasy booked and then avoiding the matter when they don’t do it. Gotta do what you can to keep convincing yourself you’re a genius, eh?

Lol, it’s not my fault your education system sucks. By the way, they are pushing Adam Page to the title now after needing to take him off TV to rehab his image. I don’t know why you’re so caught up in that, especially when I was right.

I need the ability to ignore people with personality traits I find annoying. I freely admit this is a problem I have.

You’ve got a lot of problems. You always start from the assumption that you are correct. What *you* deem to be a stupid thing Tony Khan is fine to comment on. What other people find stupid? Nah, they’re wrong.

TK’s stupid comment here was stupid. You provided no context that alleviates that.

[#1-norm-fan]

Lol, it’s not my fault your education system sucks. By the way, they are pushing Adam Page to the title now after needing to take him off TV to rehab his image. I don’t know why you’re so caught up in that, especially when I was right.

Lol He literally did not and has not won the title. Daniel Bryan also literally did not beat Kenny Omega in that non-title match in “sooooo WWE” fashion like you shit on them for doing.

Claiming “I was right” about things that you were DEMONSTRABLY wrong about and anyone can verify is some serious mental illness shit.

And doing it while insulting someone else’s education. Holy... fucking... shit. Lol

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol He literally did not and has not won the title. Daniel Bryan also literally did not beat Kenny Omega in that non-title match in “sooooo WWE” fashion like you shit on them for doing.

Claiming “I was right” about things that you were DEMONSTRABLY wrong about and anyone can verify is some serious mental illness shit.

And doing it while insulting someone else’s education. Holy... fucking... shit. Lol

I made the conditional statement that if they were going to push Adam Page to the World Title, they’ve done a terrible job of it. They had. Then he went on paternity leave to try and wash the stank off and now he is going into the main event of the next PPV.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Such a weird thing to bring up. Especially when it is still their plan and is happening now.

[#1-norm-fan]

AEW have made the same mistake as WWE and have assumed that the belt makes the man and not vice versa. He’s been booked into obscurity. They think they can flip the magical switch and just microwave someone. This is Dolph Ziggler winning the WWE Title out of nowhere. Except Page is not Ziggler good.


I’ve seen people defend this by saying “AEW isn’t WWE, they don’t hand out title shots!” Bullshit. This is straight out of WWE. They just did this. And Bryan will win the non-title match and get a title shot. Just. Like. WWE.

They didn’t put the title on Page and Daniel Bryan didn’t win the non-title match and get a title shot. So... Noid was right.

That “superior education” logic at work.

[#1-norm-fan]

Is the idea of admitting you got worked by Tony Khan really so bad that this awkward attempt at claiming you were right about things that everyone can easily verify you were wrong about the LESS embarrassing option??

[Evil Vito]

LMAO @ a dude’s paternity leave being classified as being taken off to rehab his image

[Lock Jaw]

Gotta admit that it did help, though.... get rid of that Dark Order stench a bit, come back looking strong and confident on his own....

Of course paternity leave is just paternity leave, they couldn't very well have him win the title and then leave.... but the leave really did help him out immensely.

[#1-norm-fan]

LMAO @ a dude’s paternity leave being classified as being taken off to rehab his image

That’s not even a knock on AEW. If Tony Khan got Page’s wife pregnant so he could have an excuse to get him off TV and rehab his image... Genius.

[Lock Jaw]

Q: Did Kenny Omega already have the dark hair when Hangman left? Did he already get rid of his curly blonde look?

[Damian Rey 2.0]

No i think that’s fairly recent

[Lock Jaw]

Probably made him more "generic looking" so when Hangman came back he would look better.

*stirring the pot*

[Sepholio]

lol @ someone from Australia claiming the US education sucks.

[screech]

That’s not even a knock on AEW. If Tony Khan got Page’s wife pregnant so he could have an excuse to get him off TV and rehab his image... Genius.

I don't want this to get buried on the last page. More people need to see it.

[Evil Vito]

JR has skin cancer :(

[rez]

lol @ someone from Australia claiming the US education sucks.

:wtf::nono:

[Sepholio]

Wait...Fan is from Canada, isn't he? That makes Noids statement even more ridiculous.

[#1-norm-fan]

I’m currently in Canada but I was born, raised and indeed educated in California.

An odd attempt at an insult either way. Lol

[Mr. Nerfect]

They didn’t put the title on Page and Daniel Bryan didn’t win the non-title match and get a title shot. So... Noid was right.

That “superior education” logic at work.

They’re pushing Page into the title picture *right now*. Whoops, turned out they did a draw and are ruining Danielson by other metrics. This is like bragging you didn’t miss a turn and kept driving straight into a wall. Had they done it right, they would have ended up just like WWE. How is this a hill to die on?

LMAO @ a dude’s paternity leave being classified as being taken off to rehab his image

I’m not the only person who said it: helped him. Because they ruined him. Next.

lol @ someone from Australia claiming the US education sucks.

Not patriotic at all, but more and more I realize how much the US sucks at everything. Australia at least teaches you to use the English language correctly. American English is the fucking worst.

I’m currently in Canada but I was born, raised and indeed educated in California.

An odd attempt at an insult either way. Lol

Nah, you can’t read to a tertiary level. You actually cannot process words and generate appropriate meaning. That’s not an odd insult. It’s mean and cheap, but it’s not odd.

Odd is how badly you took being called out for saying AEW should hire good talent wherever they come from, like it’s sage advice anyone was arguing against. Want to to tell a chef to cook food too?

[#1-norm-fan]

Because watching you backtrack and just say shit in a smug manner as if you think it hides the stupidity of your words just digs more of a hole.

So now you’re trying “I just meant they would push him in the title picture! Not that they would ACTUALLY put the title on him!” That’s how you’re gonna try to convince yourself you were right now? Lol

And of COURSE you’re gonna praise the WWE tactic as the RIGHT thing to do to try to divert attention from another smug “lolAEW” fail.

Ya know, just SAYING someone cannot generate appropriate meaning doesn’t work the way you’re hoping it does. It’s blatantly clear how you’re twisting your words after the fact to convince yourself you’re right after being, once again, DEMONSTRABLY WRONG.

[#1-norm-fan]

Now go ahead and talk more about your higher understanding of the English language and kick your feet back when you hit send as if it was the ultimate checkmate.

[GD]

Now go ahead and talk more about your higher understanding of the English language and kick your feet back when you hit send as if it was the ultimate checkmate.

Dear fan, as someone who leads a relatively normal life with healthy relationships and boundaries, why would you indulge someone who's vile and has no other motivation but to be toxic? The person is in dire need of an intervention. You're enabling his reckless behavior.

[Jordan]

AEW AEW AEW AEW AEW AEW AEW

[drave]

Not patriotic at all, but more and more I realize how much the US sucks at everything. Australia at least teaches you to use the English language correctly. American English is the fucking worst.


You are not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition.




Australia, at least, teaches you how to correctly use the English language.


FTFY.

[drave]

Dear fan, as someone who leads a relatively normal life with healthy relationships and boundaries, why would you indulge someone who's vile and has no other motivation but to be toxic? The person is in dire need of an intervention. You're enabling his reckless behavior.




Because TPMUTHAFUCKINWW

[screech]

Gotta love how "everyone who likes a show I hate is dumb and wrong" became "the US sucks at everything." Didn't think we'd get here.

Noid, you actually did something unpredictable for the first time in like five years.

[Blonde Moment]

Could this be the beginning of a gimmick change?

[#1-norm-fan]

NormanSmiley tried an anti-American gimmick on me. We know how that went.

[Sepholio]

Well it seems that the FoRbIdDeN dOoR is closing. Impact done working with AEW. Funny how one sided that turned out to be.

AAA can't be far from pulling the plug either. Kenny just became the longest reigning AAA Mega Champion ever in terms of single run length. He's had the title for over 2 years now. He's defended it 5 times. Not really a good deal for them either.

[screech]

Does this mean no more Good Brothers in AEW or have they jumped from Impact?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Because watching you backtrack and just say shit in a smug manner as if you think it hides the stupidity of your words just digs more of a hole.

So now you’re trying “I just meant they would push him in the title picture! Not that they would ACTUALLY put the title on him!” That’s how you’re gonna try to convince yourself you were right now? Lol

And of COURSE you’re gonna praise the WWE tactic as the RIGHT thing to do to try to divert attention from another smug “lolAEW” fail.

Ya know, just SAYING someone cannot generate appropriate meaning doesn’t work the way you’re hoping it does. It’s blatantly clear how you’re twisting your words after the fact to convince yourself you’re right after being, once again, DEMONSTRABLY WRONG.

You’re really approaching the deep end. My point was that if pushing Adam Page to the World Title was what they intended, The Dark Order stuff was stupid. You have to argue every little semantic detail and project yourself into everything so hard that you lose sight of everything.

They pulled the plug on Omega/Page. Now they’re doing it again. That they’re doing it defeats the purpose of what you’re obsessing over. They don’t get points for delaying it past the guy’s paternity leave.

At least with Danielson you’ve got a semantical point. They didn’t have Danielson beat Omega. They had them draw with no meaningful follow up and it’s ended up even flatter. Cool argument. :y:

You are not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition.

Not true. And correctly is an adverb.

[#1-norm-fan]

I think one of those mysterious books Noid read while taking his break from wrestling was “The Complete Idiot’s Guide to Being Wrong Online but Still Arrogantly Pretending You Were Right.”

I’m guessing there was a chapter about how random xenophobic statements can make you feel like a genius no matter how dumb they sound.

[BigCrippyZ]

I think one of those mysterious books Noid read while taking his break from wrestling was “The Complete Idiot’s Guide to Being Wrong Online but Still Arrogantly Pretending You Were Right.”

I’m guessing there was a chapter about how random xenophobic statements can make you feel like a genius no matter how dumb they sound.

:lol: He wouldn't bother to actually read a book... instead he'd just bitch to strangers how shitty the book was, how much better the book would be if he'd have written it, how much better written other older successful writer's recent books are, and that it wasn't really a best selling book because more young than older people bought it and those sales don't matter as much as the number of older folks who bought other older successful author's recent books.

[xrodmuc316]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Making his <a href="https://twitter.com/AEW?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AEW</a> debut, Fuego 2 - Son of Fuego! <a href="https://twitter.com/FuegoDelSol?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@FuegoDelSol</a> will teach 'em the ropes. I hope Cody Rhodes can give them some pointers when he sees this match. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDark?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDark</a> <a href="https://t.co/b9WZI4f3Nv">pic.twitter.com/b9WZI4f3Nv</a></p>&mdash; JJ Williams (@JJWilliamsWON) <a href="https://twitter.com/JJWilliamsWON/status/1452348816770928650?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 24, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Love a good "its obviously you know who, but who on earth could that be?" gimmick.

[Lock Jaw]

Who is that obviously?

[XL]

:lol: He wouldn't bother to actually read a book... instead he'd just bitch to strangers how shitty the book was, how much better the book would be if he'd have written it, how much better written other older successful writer's recent books are, and that it wasn't really a best selling book because more young than older people bought it and those sales don't matter as much as the number of older folks who bought other older successful author's recent books.

Get mad at the author for not writing a book good enough to make the other author’s latest books better, rather than being mad at the other author for not writing books that everyone knows they are capable of.

[drave]

Who is that obviously?


Cody

[Mr. Nerfect]

Get mad at the author for not writing a book good enough to make the other author’s latest books better, rather than being mad at the other author for not writing books that everyone knows they are capable of.

Or you can just call a shitty book a shitty book.

[Wehttam]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Making his <a href="https://twitter.com/AEW?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AEW</a> debut, Fuego 2 - Son of Fuego! <a href="https://twitter.com/FuegoDelSol?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@FuegoDelSol</a> will teach 'em the ropes. I hope Cody Rhodes can give them some pointers when he sees this match. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDark?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDark</a> <a href="https://t.co/b9WZI4f3Nv">pic.twitter.com/b9WZI4f3Nv</a></p>&mdash; JJ Williams (@JJWilliamsWON) <a href="https://twitter.com/JJWilliamsWON/status/1452348816770928650?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 24, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Love a good "its obviously you know who, but who on earth could that be?" gimmick.
they are doing the same with with danielson now too

[xrodmuc316]

Who is that obviously?

That poor neck tattoo, he needs a turtleneck mask :rofl:

[Lock Jaw]

Oh... was looking at the wrong dude entirely.... assumed the "son" was the shorter one....

[Vastardikai]

I was hoping for a better name than Fuego 2. I think any of these would be better...

5. Hijo del viajero de media noche
4. Polvo de Estrellas
3. Gringo Pesadilla
2. El Apuesto
1. Mi Midcardo Favorito

[DaveWadding]

Well it seems that the FoRbIdDeN dOoR is closing. Impact done working with AEW. Funny how one sided that turned out to be.

AAA can't be far from pulling the plug either. Kenny just became the longest reigning AAA Mega Champion ever in terms of single run length. He's had the title for over 2 years now. He's defended it 5 times. Not really a good deal for them either.

:lol: that is completely normal in Mexico, gringo champion or no.

-edit- I just went to look. The previous champion was Fenix and he held the belt for 420 days and defended it twice (and that was all pre-pandemic).

[Evil Vito]

RE: people online already being like "AEW should buy ROH and make them their development!"

I don't think AEW will ever have a "developmental territory" the way WWE do, because they're happy to have talent working their shows without a firm contract, and their contracted talent working independent shows, and they don't have a "house style" that they need to teach people the way WWE does.

Why go to the effort of having a formalized developmental promotion when you already have a pipeline from a couple of good wrestling schools, and strong relationships with independent promotions, and with promotions overseas? All they really need is to have a couple of people on the books to monitor wrestlers' progress on the indies, rather than trying to get them all under one roof.

If anything, I'd rather see them foster stronger relationships with promotions overseas and do their own sort of version of the Young Lion excursions. This way wrestlers early in their career - say, Nightmare Factory trainees - that they haven't got a spot on TV for yet can go over to Japan, the UK or Mexico to gain a bit of experience.

[drave]

I'd say Dark works fine as developmental without having to have a "separate entity".


Doesn't mean every single person on the show has to be green either. You can pair new talent with veteran or veteran-like talent and go from there. *shrug*

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Per Source:<br><br>AEW is planning a TNT Special on Jan 8th. <br><br>They're obviously not able to use the name &quot;Clash of the Champions&quot; due to WWE owning the rights...<br><br>However, I'm hearing the possible name for this show will be &quot;Battle of the Belts&quot; A throwback to NWA/CFW from <a href="https://t.co/hjuOqpIHGf">pic.twitter.com/hjuOqpIHGf</a></p>&mdash; Andrew Zarian (@AndrewZarian) <a href="https://twitter.com/AndrewZarian/status/1455177113707945989?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 1, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[weather vane]

Like it.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

They had stated previously they were gonna run clash of the champion Lille television specials when they announced the love to tbs next year. Cool that we’re already getting some word about it.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jon Moxley has allowed me to share with you that he is entering an inpatient alcohol treatment program. Jon is a beloved member of the AEW family. We all stand with him and Renee, and all of his family and friends, as he shifts his focus to recovery.</p>&mdash; Tony Khan (@TonyKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1455739778087931913?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 3, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Evil Vito]

Shit. You never know what battles someone is facing behind closed doors, but there were some pretty obvious physical signs the last few months (alcohol bloat).

Godspeed and good luck, Mox.

[Lock Jaw]

Damn.... he could have done us the courtesy of beating Orange Cassidy to a bloody pulp beforehand. How selfish.

[weather vane]

Wonder who replaces him in tourney….

[xrodmuc316]

Wonder who replaces him in tourney….

Hopefully Miro

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I don’t wanna see replacements. Just give the other guy a bye.

Wish Moxley the best of luck. Good for him for admitting he’s got a problem and seeking help.

[erickman]

mox must have been drunk last wed i thought something was off about him when he entered, opening that gate then hitting that guy with the gate.

[Jordan]

Yeah Mox has definitely come off "alcohol filled" in recent weeks. Sucks that we are probably gonna have OC vs Danielson at the PPV instead of Mox.

[xrodmuc316]

Remember all those Rhodes to the Top commercials where Brandi was talking to Mox and he was talking about being hung over? That doesn't look good in hindsight that company executives not only thought that needed to be in the promos, but that they just ignored it.

[Evil Vito]

Mox is a famously private person, so I give extra props to him for going public. Asking for help is the hardest thing in the world.

[Evil Vito]

That Mox was due to be on PPV in a big match with someone he feels is the greatest wrestler of all time, and still felt supported enough to make this decision instead of being pressured to push through the demons is a great sign that AEW has their priorities in order.

[Jordan]

Yes I agree.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Samuray Del Sol, the former Kalisto, will be making his <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> debut tonight, per Tony Khan on Wrestling Observer Live</p>&mdash; Will Washington  (@WilliamRBR) <a href="https://twitter.com/WilliamRBR/status/1455978866791624706?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 3, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[#1-norm-fan]

Sounds like a good lucha... thing to me.

[#1-norm-fan]

GODDAMMIT WOO

[erickman]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Samuray Del Sol, the former Kalisto, will be making his <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWDynamite?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWDynamite</a> debut tonight, per Tony Khan on Wrestling Observer Live</p>&mdash; Will Washington  (@WilliamRBR) <a href="https://twitter.com/WilliamRBR/status/1455978866791624706?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 3, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

did'nt kalisto wrestle ftr on main event a bunch of times in the dumb ass wwe story lines, now they can be in a good story.

[ron the dial]

apparently mei suruga debuts monday. i assume it'll be an ongoing role with emi on dark, but still excited. love mei. crazy good and young with lots of potential.

[slik]

This seems unnecessary

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">You spelled his name wrong. <a href="https://t.co/5xMymtqfzd">https://t.co/5xMymtqfzd</a></p>&mdash; Chris Jericho (@IAmJericho) <a href="https://twitter.com/IAmJericho/status/1456097560779689987?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 4, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Vastardikai]

This seems unnecessary

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">You spelled his name wrong. <a href="https://t.co/5xMymtqfzd">https://t.co/5xMymtqfzd</a></p>&mdash; Chris Jericho (@IAmJericho) <a href="https://twitter.com/IAmJericho/status/1456097560779689987?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 4, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He got dog piled pretty mercilessly, I saw. All for something that could be written off as "ducking autocorrect."

[Sepholio]

Anyone jumping on his case for that is an absolute tool.

[weather vane]

Well it was also a dumb Tweet. Not a big deal. Just dumb.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Some people aren’t good at spelling names. I know people who get the wrong name typed back when they sign off in professional emails.

Sad about Mox. Addiction is shit. Good on him for getting help. It must be pretty serious if he can’t even make it through to Full Gear. I wonder what this could potentially mean for his career. If bumping and travelling and all that is one of the primary factors in him using alcohol to cope, he might just call it a day and enjoy his money with his family.

[XL]

It could just as easily be the pressure of being a new dad. That’s a paradigm shift (pun intended) that can be hard to deal with.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It could just as easily be the pressure of being a new dad. That’s a paradigm shift (pun intended) that can be hard to deal with.

Not impossible. But for something to become such a raging problem so quickly? I’d guess that being a father has either exasperated it, or really shone a light on it or didn’t provide the out for Mox he and Renee were hoping for.

His physical appearance has been declining for some time too.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

It could just as easily be the pressure of being a new dad. That’s a paradigm shift (pun intended) that can be hard to deal with.

I’m one of numerous dads I know that stifled existentially when my kid was born because babies are super dependent on mom and the dad is just kinda there at first.

[screech]

^ I'll co-sign that. I felt pretty useless while my wife was breastfeeding.

[XL]

Yeah there’s serious levels to it, man. The sleepless nights/broken sleep is a big one that can easily lead to having to go find a coping mechanism. The realisation that this little person is now depending on you. Having to go out to work when all you want to do is stay home with your new family. Trying to balance all of your new responsibilities. It’s a real life change. I can imagine Mox was probably already drinking heavily - he seems like the type to have a bit of an addictive personality - and becoming a parent was maybe tipped the scales.

[drave]

ANd it hits SO fucking fast.


The first few nights with my first were insane. The slightest little tiny noise and I would leap outta bed like a madman.


If you have some demons prior to fatherhood, I would fully expect those to ramp up a bit at first. I couldn't imagine being a father "on the road". I would feel "guilt" and it would fucking eat me alive, even though I'm "providing" by doing that.


But much like the Hero on RAW in TX, my dad left me when I was 2 years old (lasted a wee bit longer).

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">You have totally busted me Andrew09123, clearly I must have paid off Washington Post, Variety, Business Insider, + Forbes to talk about how <a href="https://twitter.com/AEW?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AEW</a> is a great wrestling company bringing competition to the wrestling business. Or maybe they all saw what’s happening &amp; saw a good story? <a href="https://t.co/tPiksKdnvW">https://t.co/tPiksKdnvW</a></p>&mdash; Tony Khan (@TonyKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1456834869095452675?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 6, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[xrodmuc316]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">You have totally busted me Andrew09123, clearly I must have paid off Washington Post, Variety, Business Insider, + Forbes to talk about how <a href="https://twitter.com/AEW?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AEW</a> is a great wrestling company bringing competition to the wrestling business. Or maybe they all saw what’s happening &amp; saw a good story? <a href="https://t.co/tPiksKdnvW">https://t.co/tPiksKdnvW</a></p>&mdash; Tony Khan (@TonyKhan) <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1456834869095452675?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 6, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He really needs to stop responding to a bunch of non blue checkmark accounts on Twitter.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Why would you fucking respond to that? Fuck, Tony Khan is an idiot.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Amanda Huber has also jumped on Kalisto for misspelling Jon Huber’s name. A bunch of cunts in that company, honestly.

[Triple A]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Wow flipping off a kid. <br><br>Real mature �� <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/lowlife?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#lowlife</a> <a href="https://t.co/MlmhzSyosj">https://t.co/MlmhzSyosj</a></p>&mdash; Maxwell Jacob Friedman™️ (@The_MJF) <a href="https://twitter.com/The_MJF/status/1457057390155771910?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 6, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[erickman]

that made the kids day yoy see how happy he is

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I had to clip John Silver's &quot;It's Time for the Main Event&quot; and yes, I will use this in the future. <a href="https://t.co/sQroIx3tFX">pic.twitter.com/sQroIx3tFX</a></p>&mdash; Souppy (Марк-Андре) (@_Souppy_) <a href="https://twitter.com/_Souppy_/status/1456892971320811529?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 6, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[weather vane]

Love him.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Just to further demonstrate the wonky booking and silly priorities of this company, Christian Cage vs. Adam Cole and The Young Bucks vs. Jungle Boy & Luchasaurus have now been combined into one match. The sensible booking would have been to have Cole beat Christian and Jurassic Express beat The Bucks. But now you’ve got a babyface single that shouldn’t win on the side of the babyface team that should go over. It’s just all about cramming guys in and getting a “good match” out.

[xrodmuc316]

Just to further demonstrate the wonky booking and silly priorities of this company, Christian Cage vs. Adam Cole and The Young Bucks vs. Jungle Boy & Luchasaurus have now been combined into one match. The sensible booking would have been to have Cole beat Christian and Jurassic Express beat The Bucks. But now you’ve got a babyface single that shouldn’t win on the side of the babyface team that should go over. It’s just all about cramming guys in and getting a “good match” out.

Booking doesnt mean what it used to. All that matters is how many stars Dave gives them.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Who books a good finish anymore? Now everything ends flat with the fifth finisher in the ring, or a roll-up or a weapon shot. What about finishes that would tell a story and make you want to see what happened next?

Just a random thing about modern booking that pisses me off, lol.

[drave]

The amount of non-finishes is what initially started to turn me off from WWE. I understand fucked up finishes which can tell stories....... but it became so prevalent, that two guys would throw on an absolute BANGER just for some stupid fuckery to end the match.

[Jordan]

I didn't mind the 6-man booking it's the falls count anywhere stipulation next to a street fight tag match on the card that had me raising my eyebrow.

[Fignuts]

The amount of non-finishes is what initially started to turn me off from WWE. I understand fucked up finishes which can tell stories....... but it became so prevalent, that two guys would throw on an absolute BANGER just for some stupid fuckery to end the match.

No one can top TNA though. There was a point in time where they had an amazing roster, and had a genuine shot at being a great alternative to WWE. They blew it, due to the sheer amount of wonky finishes. Then Russo came back and that was it for that.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The amount of non-finishes is what initially started to turn me off from WWE. I understand fucked up finishes which can tell stories....... but it became so prevalent, that two guys would throw on an absolute BANGER just for some stupid fuckery to end the match.

I just can’t wrap my head around this style of thinking, lol. So many people are apparently into matches for matches’ sake, but then because they don’t end with a fake 1-2-3 they are super-pissed? I just don’t get it.

I’m not saying there aren’t bad finishes, by the way. There absolutely are. But the whole “it was such a great match until instead of Wrestler X hitting their finisher on Wrestler Y, Wrestler Z attacked them both” alludes me now.

[Mr. Nerfect]

That’s not meant as a shot at you, drave. I’m being sincere in that I don’t understand it and am just so far removed from that mentality now. I don’t get how it “ruins” a match. But I also don’t get why the internet cries about rematches when nearly everyone works the same and whether two parties have wrestled before has got nothing to do with the story either.

[Destor]

we want a clean finish. thats why a fuck finish gets heat. we want a winner. its integral to the human condition. like watchkng a footbal game end on a bad call we get outraged. its a human response that very well might be instinctual.

[Mr. Nerfect]

we want a clean finish. thats why a fuck finish gets heat. we want a winner. its integral to the human condition. like watchkng a footbal game end on a bad call we get outraged. its a human response that very well might be instinctual.

That’s the closest I can get to understanding it. There’s a sincere investment — almost a mark response (not saying that as an insult). It implies to me that kayfabe isn’t ideally dead.

I don’t get it in the context of being smart or how it affects the “quality” of a match to the diehard online contingent though. It seems trivial to me. But I also don’t have much time for conventional sports.

[Destor]

problem is now a fuck finish gives the office the heat since we know its all a work

[drave]

It is so fucking anti-climactic. It's like an epic movie that has a shit ending that kinda ruins the entire premise of said storytelling in which I just invested my time.


It can make sense for a lot of scenarios, really, but when it is done to death so often it makes me not even wanna watch some match because "it won't matter in the end anyway". It made me, at the time a hardcore fan, not care as much. That then snowballed into barely tuning in, which is now not tuning in at all.

[Mr. Nerfect]

problem is now a fuck finish gives the office the heat since we know its all a work

This is very true. :y:

Think this is the same as people losing in their hometown now, which is usually an extension of a fuck finish. The idea is heat, but it just doesn’t work now.

[drave]

For clarity: I DO enjoy great matches. The storytelling elements (outside of a few hot promos) are shit and I've seen better acting in corporate FUN TEAM BUILDING videos :|

[drave]

problem is now a fuck finish gives the office the heat since we know its all a work




Even in the context of just a match, not taking into consideration anything from "the office" or "backstage whatever", it doesn't make sense to do it as often as it does.


If it makes sense, leads to something else, that's cool. It DOES work sometimes. It was just being done to the point where it left me less interested.

[Fignuts]

You need fuck finishes to build storyline, but as TNA and WWE have shown, too many can turn people off. Likewise, too many clean finishes, and the impact of a clean win is lessened. There needs to be a well thought out balance.

[Evil Vito]

Eddie Kingston Got No Business F***ing Being Here (theplayerstribune.com) (https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/eddie-kingston-aew-wrestling)

Eddie Fucking Kingston, man.

[Destor]

You need fuck finishes to build storyline, but as TNA and WWE have shown, too many can turn people off. Likewise, too many clean finishes, and the impact of a clean win is lessened. There needs to be a well thought out balance.
i definitely think fuck finishes have their place but japan got by just fine without them for decades. "need" is a bit much for me. there should be a large number of clean finishes. they should be the norm and the dirty finishes should stand out in contrast.

[Destor]

early RoH was a masterclass in booking clean finishes effectively

[Fignuts]

Puroresu is a very different kind of product than typical western wrestling, though.The clean finishes make sense with the more grounded, real sports presentation. And ROH was heavily influenced by that.

I'm speaking specifically about companies like wwe and aew which rely much more heavily on story and characters.

[Destor]

again they have their place. my point is there are clearly paths that dont require it. in the south youll rely of fuck finishes x10 more than in the north east. doesnt mean we *need* them. especially no multiple a night

[Fignuts]

Yeah, not disagreeing at all on that.

[Jordan]

You don't NEED fuck finishes but it can create some great drama or it can make you roll your eyes like you've just wasted time, see Dusty Rhodes at his best and his worst.

[#1-norm-fan]

see Dusty Rhodes at his best and his worst.

... every Thursday night here on TPWW!

[ron the dial]

see Dusty Rhodes at his Copenhagen and his Skoal.
... every Thursday night here on TPWW!

[ron the dial]

if that doesn't make any f*cking sense please show up on thursday nights and i promise you it will.

[XL]

That’s not meant as a shot at you, drave. I’m being sincere in that I don’t understand it and am just so far removed from that mentality now. I don’t get how it “ruins” a match. But I also don’t get why the internet cries about rematches when nearly everyone works the same and whether two parties have wrestled before has got nothing to do with the story either.

I think there’s a link there; the fuck finish usually leads to a rematch. When you’ve gone 15 minutes on TV only to end via shenanigans you’ve often given the fans at least part of what they want. The law of diminished returns suggests that whatever the guys do the next time we’ve already seen a chunk of it. There are of course guys that people are happy to see over and over again (“Fight forever” if you will) but I don’t think I’m one of them. You know Owens and Zayn will always have a banger but I saw them have a banger in NXT with some good storyline behind it, I don’t need to see it repeatedly. The fuck finish is a heads up that I’m probably getting a second helping.

[XL]

I dunno though, I don’t like long TV matches so I’m probably in the minority there.

[Sting Fan]

People want closure, WWE overdoes (overdid? Not really watching or even reading results for them atm) and you know that Raw/SD are just adverts for the PPV.

AEW has done a solid job of having outcomes to matches on TV which in turn has actualy made me more likely to buy the PPV to see it play out once again or close out a feud.

WWEs lazy booking essentially made Raw/SD a failed advert for the PPV in my mind as it was so obvious.

[slik]

TMZ getting worked

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AEW star MJF calls mom &quot;dumb, disgusting slut,&quot; dad an &quot;old, irrelevant, piece of s**t&quot; after parents insulted him at AEW Rampage <a href="https://t.co/xerqIKHu8V">https://t.co/xerqIKHu8V</a></p>&mdash; TMZ (@TMZ) <a href="https://twitter.com/TMZ/status/1458162544825229314?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 9, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Bad News Gertner]

It's hard to keep up with these minor league promotions

[GD]

Watching AEW Dark. This Fuego 2 cat is holding everyone back. Years of progression in the wrestling industry undone. Truly disappointing.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It's hard to keep up with these minor league promotions

Attention is being stretched further and it’s hurting everyone.

[xrodmuc316]

Another week, another Tony Khan fail :rofl:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Was nice of him to cut off a female so he could mansplain some nonsense to her.<br><br>Book women on TV, not YouTube, TV you fucking dork <a href="https://twitter.com/TonyKhan?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TonyKhan</a> <a href="https://t.co/9oFRWCv35F">https://t.co/9oFRWCv35F</a></p>&mdash; BRUHsuke -FTK- reformed internet person (@YourBRUHBroski) <a href="https://twitter.com/YourBRUHBroski/status/1458997653736464384?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 12, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tony Khan is asked about women’s wrestling, gives the most tone deaf answer possible <a href="https://t.co/mXA3rY9qCm">https://t.co/mXA3rY9qCm</a> <a href="https://t.co/nTB8V7hTMA">pic.twitter.com/nTB8V7hTMA</a></p>&mdash; Cageside Seats (@cagesideseats) <a href="https://twitter.com/cagesideseats/status/1458944263593644036?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 11, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Bad News Gertner]

He's an Incel just like most AEW fans. What do you expect.

[Jordan]

Nah Tony Kahn is a fuckin legend, a savage and a real cool guy. Too cool for you. Suck it.

[xrodmuc316]

Nah Tony Kahn is a fuckin legend, a savage and a real cool guy. Too cool for you. Suck it.

Careful Jordan, you keep talking like that you are going to get a contract from Tony Khan :rofl:

[#1-norm-fan]

I too am disgusted by Tony Khan’s comments.

Very disappointing to know that he contributed money to the sham that is lady wrestling.

[Evil Vito]

Over 110 Dynamites, there has only been a second women's match on 6 of them. You can't really act like you're giving women's wrestling a big platform if you're treating it like any other division split by belt over the years "time for the women's division match, time for the cruiserweight division match, time for the hardcore division match" etc

This doesn't mean you have to have a second women's match every week, but it's tough to view the women as an integral part of the roster when the booking suggests it's just a novelty division that gets its token one match a show.

[Evil Vito]

Behind the scenes, I think they had good intentions for the women's roster. I don't think a company that doesn't care at all about its women's division would introduce a secondary singles title, nor go through the rigamarole of hiring and relocating numerous international talents including someone like Emi Sakura who they brought in primarily to assist backstage and train. They also clearly view Britt Baker as a huge star and have had her headline multiple shows.

But the actual booking of the division on television is a blind spot for the company. I don't know how much of it is the result of Khan trying to juggle priorities in managing a huge roster or if they are confronting a reality that there is a sizable chunk of fans who do not, and will not, ever care about women's wrestling. I mean you see posts like this on TPWW all the time. A lot of people here just do not give a shit about women's wrestling and no matter how talented a performer might be the default mindset is "meh, piss break time."

This is probably why there's a shitload of women's matches on Dark and Elevation that actually get time, because those shows are geared more toward the die hards. But you can't expect the TV-only audience to care about a division you treat as a novelty.

[#1-norm-fan]

Just make Rampage an all-women's show if it's that important. It's too hard to give equal time to two divisions on the same show when they can't really interact physically with each other. It's either gotta be treated like an occasional special attraction or have its own separate show.

[Fignuts]

That would be a great idea if they wanted Rampage's ratings to completely tank.

[#1-norm-fan]

WE know that’s what would happen. But apparently there are still people who think women’s wrestling is such a draw that it should get equal attention as the men.

Also, Rampage is terrible for the overall product. Short of cancelling it altogether, this would be the best use for it if they’re dead set on having a heavily-featured women’s division.

[Destor]

the reality is there arent enough women on earth who can work to go 50/50 and even if there were there's no demand for the product. WNBA, US Women's Soccer, UFC women's division post Rousey (see: novelty) are shining examples of women not being interested in women sports and men certainly arent. the entire push is a political statement as opposed to giving consumers a product they want to pay for. Ive been writing on this forum for well over a decade about how i wish women's wrestling was elevated in this country but elevated doesnt mean tokenism. and tokenism is all we have right now.

[Bad News Gertner]

You can't force people to be interested in something. It's ridiculous. If you say it's just not good, you get shamed.

You get that a TON with Women's Hockey up here in Canada. Take away the Nationalism that the Olympics bring and it's just female playing a sport not as good as men can.

[Destor]

there are enough women that if they truly cared to they could make womens sports the dominant platform with out male viewership. the fact that they havent tells you everything you need to know. if it were interesting people would be interested

[Destor]

so to blame AEWs office is a bit of a joke

[Mr. Nerfect]

Tony Khan is a goober.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I'm gay <a href="https://t.co/0oyPrSlZU3">https://t.co/0oyPrSlZU3</a></p>&mdash; Anthony Bowens (@Bowens_Official) <a href="https://twitter.com/Bowens_Official/status/1459925850393042944?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 14, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Destor]

clearly a correct observation then

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Hearing scuttlebutt that Omega is going to be taking time off to rest up and heal from lingering injuries after he defends his Triple A title on December 4. If true, it’s a well deserved rest. But it also means AEW is down another main eventer for the foreseeable future.

Could potentially be a good thing since people have been complaining about too much roster bloat. See who else flourishes during the time. But not having Mox and Omega after both have had amazing runs is tough to replace.

[Destor]

allowing guys to take time off i think is a very good thing. and not from a "theyre so over worked stand point." it keeps them fresh. in times gone you could go to another territory and work for 6 months and come back a bigger deal than when you left simply because of absence truly making the heart grow fonder.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I wish AEW would take some time off to freshen itself up.

[Lock Jaw]

My conclusions after watching AEW since Punk's debut:

I could never in a million years have imagined wasting an opportunity as big as that one, and failing to capitalize on potentially having new/old viewers watching your program. You get him and then just aimlessly force him onto your shows, including even just doing commentary. He finally does something and stands up to a heel Bobby Fish beating up a jobber (despite having previous opportunitites at standing up to heels whilst on commentary), they have a match with a controversial ending.... but that is dropped to build a hurried two week deep-seated blood feud vs Eddie Kingston.

Daniel Bryan has been handled a bit better, but should never have been mixed up with the world title/main event scene when he debuted, because then taking him out of it for someone else is just an immediate step down/disappointment. Should have just skipped that part and his run would actually be quite excellent, building him up via having him wrestle a bunch of bangers and beating people with different moves... building him up until eventually putting him in the spot to earn the contendership. Instead, took him out of the picture and gave the shot to another dude... but at the same time already put Bryan in the spot to earn the next shot even before the current contender had his shot, which overshadows that match because you are already looking back onto Bryan and caring about that and not the current world title match.

Speaking of their world champ, he felt like an afterthought almost the entire time I watched. Meanwhile you have Hangman Adam Page involved with the intolerable Dark Order, and not doing anything at all to build him up or get him over... barely even building up the match vs Omega until the very last week before the PPV when they figured they should do something. I know there is the supposed "long form storytelling" that they were semi-trying to push via commentary and some short video packages.... but I don't buy it for one second. More likely they saw that viral post that someone has posted here a few times about Hangman's "journey", and decided to run with it. Wouldn't be the first time I saw that they have leaned into memes/internet things and run with it. Which would even be fine in itself if they actually put any effort into pushing that angle instead of just assuming that everyone knew what it was all about.

As for the rassling itself, no doubt about it they have some good stuff. The more flippy/choreographed stuff of Young Bucks/Lucha Bros/Adam Cole/etc is personally not for me, I get burnt out on it real fast... but if you enjoy it more power to you. There was still some good stuff that was not of that style too. They do suffer from a problem of booking matches to have guys look "all equal". Even jobber/squash matches the jobber more often than not gets a lot of offense to make it seem like a "tough win", because more than anything they seem to want to get a "this is awesome" chant every match (which, granted is not too hard these days).

The fans of AEW are both a blessing and curse. It is awesome to hear a loud crowd, and it can't be overstated how much that actually gets you into matches/a show. At the same time, they are the "annoying" modern rassling crowd who will chant "this is awesome" and "fight forever" at the drop of a hat. At the PPV a few tried to chant "You still got it" at Arn Anderson when he delivered a few punches to Andrade's manager, thankfully it didn't take off.

Something AEW is missing/lacking is the ability to tell stories and get over their characters. Which partly goes back to the fans just getting into anything, so they feel like they don't have to get them over/sell them to a potential TV audience. AEW is great at booking their shows and always telling you what is coming up on the next Rampage/Dynamite.... which is great from a "wrestling" perspective and "live show perspective", but not for an "entertaining television program" perspective. You need to have a bit of that spontaneity and unexpectedness... even if it is cookie cutter WWE "Wrestler A interrupts Wrestler B, Authority Figure makes a match..... COMING UP NEXT!!"

AEW does a lot of "assuming that you know" who people are and what things are about. May seem like "talking down" in WWE, but you do have to do a lot of repetition and spelling things out to build your characters/stories/brand.

Think I said it in some other thread... AEW seems to succeed despite itself. Which is great for them, and great for those that enjoy it. It just seems to be a self-fulfilling prophecy driven by memes and internet culture, and should the cool thing on the internet ever turn to be against them they would need to make some major changes. Even if they wanted to grow beyond their current ratings/fanbase they would need to make major changes.

I think overall what I'd say is...... AEW is the better wrestling show, especially if you were to go to it live. While WWE is the better television program. If you want "wrestling", watch AEW. If you want "entertainment" and "characters" watch WWE.

[Lock Jaw]

Not sure if I should continue watching AEW or not. Made my "commitment" to give them until their "big PPV"....

[GD]

Thanks for sharing your honest take with us, Lock Jaw. That was worth the read.

[Jordan]

Yeah I guess that's fair. Fair for a fair weather fan who wasn't there from the beginning. You have no connection to AEW because you aren't invited. You don't know the language we speak around the dinner table.

You have got to be kidding me? You want an authority figure gimmick making matches mid show? Hey guess what Jaw, you can subscribe to peacock and watch hours and hours of 2014 WWE. GO AHEAD do it and then tell us how good you feel about the way you've spent the precious hours of your life.

This has to be a joke right? Are you a comedy blogger because I am laughing so hard I can't believe it. The part where you talked about an inability to creat and get over characters is what got a deep and hearty guffaw out of me!

Have you ever heard of Orange Cassidy? He's barely lifts a finger and AEW fans Road Warrior pop all over his nuts. I'm talking about MJF, who barely opens his mouth before five thousand people tell him in unison to shut the fuck up! Hey what about that ROH guy Adam Page who gets the girls wet and makes all the guys hard? He walks out and everyone spills a beer jumping up and down screaming COWBOY SHIT.

AND you make that one joke about how the voice of AEW is too giving with praise. When you are a part of the AEW multiverse live in attendance you are no longer a singular individual but you are assigned to take hold of a spot in a grander universal consciousness and all voices become one. Trust me I know, I was at Arthur Ashe.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Picturing a scenario where Lock Jaw turns against AEW and becomes a shit poster, but is constantly a show behind in his trolling. Just shitting all over Rampage in the Dynamite thread.

[Bad News Gertner]

Lock Jaw is the frontrunner for KOTF after that analysis.

[Destor]

is Jordan X doing a bit or is he a giant mark? if its a gimmick bravo

[Jordan]

is Jordan X doing a bit or is he a giant mark? if its a gimmick bravo

https://tenor.com/bKYUk.gif

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Hearing scuttlebutt that Omega is going to be taking time off to rest up and heal from lingering injuries after he defends his Triple A title on December 4. If true, it’s a well deserved rest. But it also means AEW is down another main eventer for the foreseeable future.

Could potentially be a good thing since people have been complaining about too much roster bloat. See who else flourishes during the time. But not having Mox and Omega after both have had amazing runs is tough to replace.

Adam Cole is right there to toss him from the Elite and take his place as the to heel on the company. Omega deserves some time away and it’ll freshen him up.

[xrodmuc316]

Adam Cole is right there to toss him from the Elite and take his place as the to heel on the company. Omega deserves some time away and it’ll freshen him up.

The problem is the same he faced in NXT, yes he can do heel things, but he is just too over to ever be a true heel. Thats not a knock on him, he is just too good at what he does.

[GD]

https://i.imgur.com/DWFLYUo.mp4

[slik]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

is Jordan X doing a bit or is he a giant mark? if its a gimmick bravo

Convinced it is a gimmick. He said AEW was “perfect” in another thread. It must be at least a little in jest.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah I guess that's fair. Fair for a fair weather fan who wasn't there from the beginning. You have no connection to AEW because you aren't invited. You don't know the language we speak around the dinner table.

You have got to be kidding me? You want an authority figure gimmick making matches mid show? Hey guess what Jaw, you can subscribe to peacock and watch hours and hours of 2014 WWE. GO AHEAD do it and then tell us how good you feel about the way you've spent the precious hours of your life.

This has to be a joke right? Are you a comedy blogger because I am laughing so hard I can't believe it. The part where you talked about an inability to creat and get over characters is what got a deep and hearty guffaw out of me!

Have you ever heard of Orange Cassidy? He's barely lifts a finger and AEW fans Road Warrior pop all over his nuts. I'm talking about MJF, who barely opens his mouth before five thousand people tell him in unison to shut the fuck up! Hey what about that ROH guy Adam Page who gets the girls wet and makes all the guys hard? He walks out and everyone spills a beer jumping up and down screaming COWBOY SHIT.

AND you make that one joke about how the voice of AEW is too giving with praise. When you are a part of the AEW multiverse live in attendance you are no longer a singular individual but you are assigned to take hold of a spot in a grander universal consciousness and all voices become one. Trust me I know, I was at Arthur Ashe.

Holy shit, this is hilarious. I thought it was meant to put down AEW until I saw it was you posting. Good one. :lol:

[screech]

AEW does a lot of "assuming that you know" who people are and what things are about. May seem like "talking down" in WWE, but you do have to do a lot of repetition and spelling things out to build your characters/stories/brand.

I 100p agree with this. At the very least they seem to assume that everyone who watches Dynamite also watches Dark, Dark: Elevation, and Being the Elite (and I guess maybe Rampage, but I watch that and not the three online shows).

[Evil Vito]

Interested in seeing what happens to Omega now that his reign is over. What most people expect is for him eventually take time off. There's been talk of Kenny working hurt for a long time, and it's lucky that it coincided with him turning heel, as it meant he could slow his pace and scale back on some of the high impact stuff (within reason, as he's still Kenny Omega and that stuff is his bread and butter).

Earlier in the year he was working through a hernia, a tailbone injury, and nagging knee problems, and I can't imagine much of that has got any better with time.

[Evil Vito]

Purely in terms of timing, I think it would make sense to take Kenny out now fresh off of losing the belt, but also Cole and the Bucks lost on Saturday too so the whole "better man taking control" angle probably wouldn't be the best way to explain it.

But they've also just lost Moxley for an indefinite amount of time, could see why they'd be hesitant to be down another major player but with the size of the roster I think they're well equipped to absorb it in the short term, plus they might have more signings and eventualities on the horizon too.

He wouldn't be totally out of action anyway as he's also got a AAA title defense against El Hijo Del Vikingo next month that I'm not expecting him to lose, plus they've got Battle of the Belts in January that will probably be an all hands on deck type of deal and I think there might be a heavy AEW involvement at Wrestle Kingdom. So maybe all of this gets out of the way before they pull the trigger on a write-off.

[Evil Vito]

There's also the question of whether Kyle O'Reilly or Kevin Steen end up coming in. We could end up with Cole ditching The Elite altogether and doing Cole/reDragon vs. Omega/Bucks, or even flip that and have a babyface Omega recruit reDragon against Adam Cole and the Young Bucks. If Steen comes in, does he reform Mount Rushmore with Cole and the Bucks, or come in against them? Plenty of ways things can play out if those guys sign.

At some point, though, I can picture a babyface Omega seeking out Hangman's help for a tag team match against the Young Bucks. Before that, if Omega does end up sticking around rather than taking time off, I can see him doing an Inoki-style "redemption" story where he loses everything and has to start at the bottom and work his way back up.

[Jordan]

It seems like we are going to see a program where Hangman and The Bucks are becoming "cool" with each other again and perhaps Cole goes really hard as a heel and creates a divide in The Elite. Kenny should end up coming back and facing off with Cole for establish the leader of the group.

I'm not a big fan of bringing in Undisputed Era for a main AEW story but it being mentioned doesn't bother me.

Also I don't think that with Mox and Kenny down for a few weeks that AEW will suffer. They have enough stars without them for a little while.

I think it would be cool if Kenny stayed out of AEW until after Wrestle Kingdom where he could win a big match and "get his fire back".

[xrodmuc316]

It seems like we are going to see a program where Hangman and The Bucks are becoming "cool" with each other again and perhaps Cole goes really hard as a heel and creates a divide in The Elite. Kenny should end up coming back and facing off with Cole for establish the leader of the group.

I'm not a big fan of bringing in Undisputed Era for a main AEW story but it being mentioned doesn't bother me.

Also I don't think that with Mox and Kenny down for a few weeks that AEW will suffer. They have enough stars without them for a little while.

I think it would be cool if Kenny stayed out of AEW until after Wrestle Kingdom where he could win a big match and "get his fire back".

Mox hasnt done anything significant since the sparklers anyways.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol, with the ratings declining, there’s a new movement in the AEW fandom to shut down talk of ratings/other business metrics. The goal is to shame people who care about the performance of something and those who don’t pretend the product is engaging enough to discuss solely as content.

You’ve seen it on these boards a couple of times. It’s fucking weird and a little disgusting, honestly.

People are interested in what they are interested in. Some people find the business side of things interesting — sometimes more interesting than the actual wrestling.

You also hear the common line “As long as they stay on the air, I don’t care about ratings.” Well, that’s what people are discussing.

But more and more you see AEW fanboys trying to push the conversation away from things wrestling fans have discussed for years. Because it doesn’t make their promotion look good.

[Jordan]

Actually if you look at it honestly and objectively the real mark of a great wrestling company isn't their ratings weekly, who cares about that? I don't and not anyone here that I can tell.

We care about the characters, the respect to wrestling and it's past, the stories, the pops and the chanting. That's all that matters to about everyone in the AEW Multiverse.

AEW definitely has better chants than WWE as well as all the other stuff I mentioned like characters, stories and pops. Also AEW definitely uses the ring apron a lot better than WWE. Lots of sick drops on the apron.

But really why would ratings matter? What am I an Ad Executive for Papa John's or Wendy's? Outside of that actually the ratings are moot point.

Truly I only care that AEW does well enough to stay featured on cable, if they over succeed and get more than WWE it's cool. Even when AEW beats a Raw or Smackdown on a particular week or doesn't mean they are better or bigger than WWE. Its a guestimated concept that has no bearing on if I enjoy AEW which produces much better wrestling than WWE.

[slik]

Cody has quit twitter and this fan has thoughts...


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CodyRhodes?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CodyRhodes</a><br><br>You didn’t block me, but you deleted your account. You are free from my toxic chains. Now, you can see how toxic your own fans are. Your OWN fans, are the toxic ones. I just fight back, as a fan too<br><br>Hypocritical <a href="https://twitter.com/ShawnSpears?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ShawnSpears</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/TheBrandiRhodes?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheBrandiRhodes</a> <a href="https://t.co/7fVN6XmxcT">pic.twitter.com/7fVN6XmxcT</a></p>&mdash; Justy Bee (@justybxxx) <a href="https://twitter.com/justybxxx/status/1460563824822652928?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 16, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Sting Fan]

People are interested in what they are interested in.



"But fuck AEW and all it stands for, how can anyone possibly like this. I dont like it therefore no one can like it and im going to write a war and peace reply to anything and everything AEW etc. etc. etc... "

- Also Noid -

[weather vane]

Lol, with the ratings declining, there’s a new movement in the AEW fandom to shut down talk of ratings/other business metrics. The goal is to shame people who care about the performance of something and those who don’t pretend the product is engaging enough to discuss solely as content.

You’ve seen it on these boards a couple of times. It’s fucking weird and a little disgusting, honestly.

People are interested in what they are interested in. Some people find the business side of things interesting — sometimes more interesting than the actual wrestling.

You also hear the common line “As long as they stay on the air, I don’t care about ratings.” Well, that’s what people are discussing.

But more and more you see AEW fanboys trying to push the conversation away from things wrestling fans have discussed for years. Because it doesn’t make their promotion look good.

Honestly it is a little disgusting.

[screech]

Always been weird to me that fans care so much about ratings. If you enjoy the show, watch it. If not, don't. I enjoy WWE and AEW and have never thought about how many other people did or didn't watch on a particular day.

[screech]

NOT A FLAME. JUST AN OBSERVATION

[Mr. Nerfect]

"But fuck AEW and all it stands for, how can anyone possibly like this. I dont like it therefore no one can like it and im going to write a war and peace reply to anything and everything AEW etc. etc. etc... "

- Also Noid -

The irony is that I am the one that people try to censor with this sort of crap. People are allowed to like AEW. That’s fine. I’m allowed to explain why it is a flaming pile of crap. That’s called criticism. A lot of people here can’t hear it, and I think they should really search themselves as to why.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Always been weird to me that fans care so much about ratings. If you enjoy the show, watch it. If not, don't. I enjoy WWE and AEW and have never thought about how many other people did or didn't watch on a particular day.

Some people are interested in whether or something is working, and it’s success in the marketplace is a major metric for demonstrating that.

My issue with the ratings is that so many people don’t understand them and take Meltzer’s narratives around them as gospel. Wrestling fans don’t understand how the key demo isn’t all and that comparing WWE’s ratings with AEW’s isn’t 1:1 when it comes this TV rights fees business.

I think they are criminally misrepresented by people looking to sell newsletters and do some sort of hypnosis. But there’s nothing inherently wrong with being interested in the business side of things. Especially when the content put out is so boring.

[Mr. Nerfect]

And when people are saying things like “This is the cool wrestling, watch it grow,” the ratings make an annoying point against that narrative. That’s what they’re trying to shut down.

[Sting Fan]

The irony is that I am the one that people try to censor with this sort of crap. People are allowed to like AEW. That’s fine. I’m allowed to explain why it is a flaming pile of crap. That’s called criticism. A lot of people here can’t hear it, and I think they should really search themselves as to why.

Couldn’t even help yourself for one reply… the gimmick is strong or your a fucking goober. Not sure which but funny either way.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Couldn’t even help yourself for one reply… the gimmick is strong or your a fucking goober. Not sure which but funny either way.

And you’ve got nothing. Great chat, Sting Fan. :lol:

[screech]

"But fuck AEW and all it stands for, how can anyone possibly like this. I dont like it therefore no one can like it and im going to write a war and peace reply to anything and everything AEW etc. etc. etc... "

- Also Noid -

lol his entire gimmick for like five years has been "you shouldn't like this because I think it's dumb."

See also: Alexa Bliss, Matt Hardy

[screech]

Random AEW thing that has bothered me: How have they not fixed their issues with sound at all? Commentary has always been too low and it often gets drowned out by entrance music.

Lock Jaw, could you go work for them and fix that? How difficult it is to remedy?

(Admittedly don't know much about live sound technical stuff but I imagine it's not much more involved than pushing one slider up and another down on the board. Am I close?)

[Lock Jaw]

All about getting an audio mixer who knows what he is doing (I am not one. Audio is my weak spot in broadcasting, admittedly)

Compressors/limiters/expanders/gates/EQs etc....

And yes, maybe even a little of having the sliders in the right spot.

All about finding the right balance and mix of things.

[Lock Jaw]

It also could very well be bad direction/instruction from the top. Like in WWE how they have extremely skilled camera people, but they are instructed to have seizures. I have a feeling that AEW sound mixer may have been instructed to de-prioritize the commentary for the sake of making it sound I dunno... like the fans and music are even louder than they are

[Lock Jaw]

Was funny when they kept putting CM Punk on commentary for the sake of getting him on the shows, but then you couldn't understand half of what he said.

[drave]

it was the same with WCW.

[Evil Vito]

Yeah audio's always been an annoying issue with AEW. It's nothing gamebreaking for me as the camera work is far superior to WWE and doesn't make me nauseous, but it's something I'd like to see fleshed out to make it a more well-rounded viewing experience.

[Mr. Nerfect]

lol his entire gimmick for like five years has been "you shouldn't like this because I think it's dumb."

See also: Alexa Bliss, Matt Hardy

No, my argument is that those things are dumb. And they are. TPWW’s response is to whinge. How wrong was I about Bliss and Hardy, by the way?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Random AEW thing that has bothered me: How have they not fixed their issues with sound at all? Commentary has always been too low and it often gets drowned out by entrance music.

Lock Jaw, could you go work for them and fix that? How difficult it is to remedy?

(Admittedly don't know much about live sound technical stuff but I imagine it's not much more involved than pushing one slider up and another down on the board. Am I close?)

Stop telling people what they should and shouldn’t enjoy!

[Triple A]

The word making the rounds is that Kenny Omega may be out for an extended period of time from in-ring action as he's likely looking at shoulder surgery. The hope is they will have some clarity on that within the week. Omega had been badly banged up even when the promotion launched in 2019 following a grueling run in New Japan Pro Wrestling.

https://www.pwinsider.com/article/152994/jimmy-valiant-on-adam-page-aew-title-win-top-star-could-be-out-some-time-and-more.html?p=1

[Bad News Gertner]

Cody has quit twitter and this fan has thoughts...


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CodyRhodes?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CodyRhodes</a><br><br>You didn’t block me, but you deleted your account. You are free from my toxic chains. Now, you can see how toxic your own fans are. Your OWN fans, are the toxic ones. I just fight back, as a fan too<br><br>Hypocritical <a href="https://twitter.com/ShawnSpears?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ShawnSpears</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/TheBrandiRhodes?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheBrandiRhodes</a> <a href="https://t.co/7fVN6XmxcT">pic.twitter.com/7fVN6XmxcT</a></p>&mdash; Justy Bee (@justybxxx) <a href="https://twitter.com/justybxxx/status/1460563824822652928?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 16, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Your typical AEW fan

[Destor]

twitter is a cancer on the human mind

[Bad News Gertner]

I recently joined to read some NBA writers feeds that I enjoy and for the WCW Deep Cuts account, but my God are you ever correct.

[Evil Vito]

Twitter is hot garbage, as is most social media

[Evil Vito]

I'll give Instagram a pass due to there being lots of hot women showing out but that's it

[Mr. Nerfect]

Twitter gives a platform to people who have not earned a platform.

[Triple A]

I like Twitter because I follow things I like to read and see...

[#1-norm-fan]

Me too. Just avoid the comments.

[Destor]

I'll give Instagram a pass due to there being lots of hot women showing out but that's iteveryone gives insta a pass because theres very little social comentary just hot brauds half naked. and really, isnt that what makes humanity worth living?

[Evil Vito]

Hell yeah. If you're into women at least 80% of your following list isn't hot brauds I'm not sure what you're doing.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Me too. Just avoid the comments.

He’s taking a jab at people who don’t like Twitter because it’s apparently as simple as just choosing what you follow. You’re disproving his point by adding caveats.

There’s just nothing on Twitter that’s worth having, really. There is plenty of much better content in much better places. Even things that have some sort of light-hearted value can usually be consumed in much less mind-numbing ways.

[screech]

Twitter is a mess, but it's also where I've connected with the most bands to play their music on the podcast.

(It's mostly terrible, though.)

[#1-norm-fan]

He’s taking a jab at people who don’t like Twitter because it’s apparently as simple as just choosing what you follow. You’re disproving his point by adding caveats.

... what...

[slik]

Twitter is my favorite social media tbh

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Becky Lynch watches AEW and views it as the Alternative! <a href="https://t.co/6phYilhlg7">pic.twitter.com/6phYilhlg7</a></p>&mdash; The Macho Beard (@Machobeard4life) <a href="https://twitter.com/Machobeard4life/status/1461083916639641604?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 17, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[slik]

Twitter is my favorite social media tbh

I like spacehey so far too...it's pretty new...sort of a copy of the old MySpace but sort of unique...

[Triple A]

Full Gear generated the second most PPV buys in AEW history, only behind All Out in September (CM Punk's first match)

https://wrestlenomics.com/2021/11/17/aew-full-gear-sold-an-estimated-145000-pay-per-view-ppv-buys-second-highest-behind-all-out-buyrate/

https://i.imgur.com/vLr293r.png

[Destor]

ouch. they grow nearly 100k on the punk draw but the product doesnt keep the bulk. still up 10k from revolution so theyve retained some of the audience but thats a rough return

[Fignuts]

He’s taking a jab at people who don’t like Twitter because it’s apparently as simple as just choosing what you follow. You’re disproving his point by adding caveats.

There’s just nothing on Twitter that’s worth having, really. There is plenty of much better content in much better places. Even things that have some sort of light-hearted value can usually be consumed in much less mind-numbing ways.

Incorrect. Twitter gave us WCW Deep Cuts

[Mr. Nerfect]

Full Gear generated the second most PPV buys in AEW history, only behind All Out in September (CM Punk's first match)

https://wrestlenomics.com/2021/11/17/aew-full-gear-sold-an-estimated-145000-pay-per-view-ppv-buys-second-highest-behind-all-out-buyrate/

https://i.imgur.com/vLr293r.png

Ouch. I knew they would be down, but that is fucking brutal. It’s also important to note that these are worldwide buys. So when people compare them to ECW and WCW, they are being quite dishonest.

Incorrect. Twitter gave us WCW Deep Cuts

That is true. I thought I shouted them out, but I must have forgot. Thanks for covering my ass.