All Elite Wrestling

[Mr. Nerfect]

They're on the AEW Wiki page, for however much stock you want to put into that.

[Jordan]

If they have Phenix and Penta, then yeah... things are as they should be. They need to be in AEW.

[Jordan]

Why isn't anyone talking about Chris Hero? Did you read NXT spoilers? Does everyone think it's a work? I have to assume so because I haven't herd anyone talk about him for AEW.

[Jordan]

Just for public record I'd like to state the following. I'd much prefer AEW get an event based TV deal like Bellator or UFC than a weekly series like WWE, ROH, Impact, or Lucha Underground. I'd prefer one to three larger televised events per month that lead to a larger by monthly PPV. Very much like NJPW or Bellator. Having a weekly series is draining, feels like death. I want something new, not a weekly schedule to be stuck to. I feel that two hours a week in the current climate is just muddying the water. Let's keep it fresh and let us miss you a little bit. In between show's AEW could contract out certain performers to other promotions around the globe to supplement their own and the performers income.

[Vastardikai]

Hence why I feel like there should be individual channels on YouTube for the talent. Develop their storylines in a way that is more accessible to fans.

[Jordan]

Hence why I feel like there should be individual channels on YouTube for the talent. Develop their storylines in a way that is more accessible to fans.

Yeah that would be really cool. Use BTE as a weekly show that keeps eveything focused and heading in a specific direction while plugging more in depth storytelling on a workers channel.

[Vastardikai]

It would also be a more accurate barometer on who is a draw or not.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Why isn't anyone talking about Chris Hero? Did you read NXT spoilers? Does everyone think it's a work? I have to assume so because I haven't herd anyone talk about him for AEW.

I mentioned it somewhere back there. It’d be cool if he does go. I think it’s a wait and see situation with him at the moment. He might have had a two-year deal come up, but they could have just left him off. It seems far more likely this is a work than the Ambrose stuff. Or it could be a call-up/move to EVOLVE/NXT UK.

Just for public record I'd like to state the following. I'd much prefer AEW get an event based TV deal like Bellator or UFC than a weekly series like WWE, ROH, Impact, or Lucha Underground. I'd prefer one to three larger televised events per month that lead to a larger by monthly PPV. Very much like NJPW or Bellator. Having a weekly series is draining, feels like death. I want something new, not a weekly schedule to be stuck to. I feel that two hours a week in the current climate is just muddying the water. Let's keep it fresh and let us miss you a little bit. In between show's AEW could contract out certain performers to other promotions around the globe to supplement their own and the performers income.

The thing is that those weekly shows are going to be where the money comes from to sell the concept of these larger shows too. It’s interesting you mention Bellator though, because I was just reading yesterday that they signed with DAZN to do 7 exclusive events a year and 15 mutual ones with Paramount. Something like this would be excellent for All Elite. If they got a weekly deal with TNT, 15 Clash/SNME specials on TBS Saturday nights and 7 DAZN-exclusive “PPVs” and they sold content at even half the price of WWE, then that’s still about $155 million a year.

[Emperor Smeat]

Some details about the Lucha Bros contract situation with AEW and why AEW (and others) are waiting for Lucha Underground to die off so they don't have to deal with their shenanigans anymore.

LU going back on their word of letting anyone out of their contract after Season 4 ended made things a lot more complicated for certain wrestlers and companies.

Lucha Central explains the situation with the most logical answer: the Lucha Brothers have signed a deal to work non-exclusively AEW shows, similar to the ones they’ve signed with Impact and MLW, not the exclusive deals that hinted at last night. It seems a safe guess the same is true with Joey Ryan, who’s been part of these AEW appearances and also under a LU deal.

As long as they’re under Lucha Underground contracts, that’s the most Fenix & Penta can do. My informed assumption is that AEW contract will likely be changed to an exclusive one when/if LU is canceled. Other agreed upon deals will be fulfilled – similar to how Bandido is still working some non-ROH dates – but there will be no new shows added after that point. No one knows when LU’s future will be decided and AEW probably didn’t want to wait until forever to get it worked out.

This is a subheadline: assuming Penta & Fenix do sign with AEW, they join Rush & Bandido in recent Mexican wrestlers who’ve passed up likely WWE/NXT deals to go elsewhere. I think WWE is still capable of signing Mexican wrestlers, but those who have had experience and become an international star outside of CMLL seemed to be looking at other options. WWE’s going to have to target those who haven’t made names outside of Mexico.

http://www.thecubsfan.com/cmll/2019/02/02/aaa-off-televsia-penta-fenix-to-aew-terrible-to-the-universal-final/

[Tom Guycott]

Meltzer is reporting that Paul Heyman is negotiating Brock's latest deal, and that AEW is actually a contender, along with the usual suspects in WWE and the UFC. Interesting times.

Part of the deal is that they'll have to take the old RAW opening from an angle that happened a couple of times to literally changing the show to "WWE Monday Night RAW starring Brock Lesnar". Everyone will need to adjust their DVR settings accordingly.

[Tom Guycott]

Shinsuke Nakamura posted something interesting on his Twitter on January 29. It simply says "WCW"

He is the guy I could see making the jump and having the biggest splash. I know some people disagree, but to me that dude is a top level star. With how WWE has booked him he should be out the door the second he can.

SWERVE! Nak wins the WWE title from The New Daniel Bryan in a surprise face turn, and brings back the Big Gold Belt!

[erickman]

Some details about the Lucha Bros contract situation with AEW and why AEW (and others) are waiting for Lucha Underground to die off so they don't have to deal with their shenanigans anymore.

LU going back on their word of letting anyone out of their contract after Season 4 ended made things a lot more complicated for certain wrestlers and companies.



http://www.thecubsfan.com/cmll/2019/02/02/aaa-off-televsia-penta-fenix-to-aew-terrible-to-the-universal-final/

so they can get more lucha underground people like half of the impact roster.

[Fignuts]

Kenny Omega confirms his choice on the new Being the Elite

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[rez]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Who will be the first official Superstarr announced as appearing at Starrcast II this Memorial Day weekend in Las Vegas?<br><br>As Tony Schiavone used to say, “IT’S STING!”<br><br>Stay tuned to <a href="https://t.co/VShyAsTu00">https://t.co/VShyAsTu00</a> for more info regarding “the Man Called Sting!” <a href="https://t.co/AmsMa0QKTn">pic.twitter.com/AmsMa0QKTn</a></p>&mdash; #StarrcastOnFITE (@StarrcastEvents) <a href="https://twitter.com/StarrcastEvents/status/1092602771503751168?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[rez]

WWE HOF but with TNA picture haha

[Mr. Nerfect]

Fuck Lucha Underground. Seriously, what a sleazy bunch of shady cunts.

[Mr. Nerfect]

"WrestleVotes" (who has apparently broken some major stories in the past, or at least alluded to them) is suggesting that a major WWE name has a huge, huge offer waiting for them in AEW when their contract soons expires -- one that is said to be hard to turn down. They're refusing to give the name, but said that "your savior" Meltz will surely announce the news if it happens.

AJ Styles has confirmed that he has still not signed a WWE contract...

[Fignuts]

Fuck Lucha Underground. Seriously, what a sleazy bunch of shady cunts.

I mean, it’s owned and operated by AAA, so not surprising.

[rez]

"WrestleVotes" (who has apparently broken some major stories in the past, or at least alluded to them) is suggesting that a major WWE name has a huge, huge offer waiting for them in AEW when their contract soons expires -- one that is said to be hard to turn down. They're refusing to give the name, but said that "your savior" Meltz will surely announce the news if it happens.

AJ Styles has confirmed that he has still not signed a WWE contract...

Dean?

[ClockShot]

Dean?

Nah. My money's on Styles.

If that's the case, he's in the perfect position to leverage both outfits to get the best deal possible.

Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Christopher Daniels has been whispering in his ear.

[RP]

Guys what time does AEW come on tonight?

[rez]

Nah. My money's on Styles.

If that's the case, he's in the perfect position to leverage both outfits to get the best deal possible.

Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Christopher Daniels has been whispering in his ear.

Only if Vince declined to give him a shorter schedule.

[rez]

Guys what time does AEW come on tonight?

Keep on truckin. That NEVER gets old.

[Bossman]

I wonder if Triple H will divorce Stephanie in a few years if All Elite Wrestling eventually puts the WWE out of business. #PaulKhan

[Evil Vito]

"WrestleVotes" (who has apparently broken some major stories in the past, or at least alluded to them) is suggesting that a major WWE name has a huge, huge offer waiting for them in AEW when their contract soons expires -- one that is said to be hard to turn down. They're refusing to give the name, but said that "your savior" Meltz will surely announce the news if it happens.

AJ Styles has confirmed that he has still not signed a WWE contract...

Supposedly Randy Orton's contract has also been coming up and he's told people backstage he'll entertain offers from AEW.

The thought of Orton wrestling somewhere other than WWE is so fucking weird.

[Maluco]

I am quietly loving this tbh. WWE have been resting in their laurels for about a decade, and for the ast 5-6 years have just been hoarding talent and securing them to contracts without any intention to use anyone bar 2-3 guys properly.

I assume they believed that no one rich would be bothered going into wrestling again and cornering the market. They deserve this for how they have squandered so much talent in recent years and for how little effort they have put into their product.

Was just thinking about Bray Wyatt recently. Charisma, aura, intriguing personality, fantastic entrance, and can actually go in the ring and look at what they did with him. When there is no competition, it doesn’t matter how many guys you ruin on a whim

Hoping guys like Orton do walk away and really give them something to think about. Thy might have to finally do some work and give people exciting TV again

[Jordan]

I cannot say for sure if AEW would be interested in Orton. I personally do not want him on that roster. And honestly, unless he makes some major changes I don't care to see Ambrose there either, or Undertaker for that matter. AJ, sure but I'd be fine if he stays in WWE.

[Evil Vito]

I feel like Orton's probably just floating AEW out there to get more money from WWE.

Then again, Jericho vowed to never leave and got the biggest contract of his career. So you never know if the price is right.

[Innovator]

Orton would tower over a lot of guys in AEW, could probably work a big man style.

[Vastardikai]

His slow methodically boring style would make him the biggest heel in AEW.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I cannot say for sure if AEW would be interested in Orton. I personally do not want him on that roster. And honestly, unless he makes some major changes I don't care to see Ambrose there either, or Undertaker for that matter. AJ, sure but I'd be fine if he stays in WWE.

The visual impact of such a “WWE prototype” walking into an AEW show is too amazing to pass up. He’s about as close as you’re going to get to a Scott Hall/Kevin Nash jump.

I’m not keen on Undertaker wrestling, but the visual of him working ANYWHERE else changes everything in wrestling. He’s WWE’s sacred cow.

His slow methodically boring style would make him the biggest heel in AEW.

Bingo. But he’s really good. That Randy Orton attitude would be money though.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I wonder how The Usos feel about WWE. Years of being on the Mania pre-show. Vince loves the family, but does the family feel the need to pander to Vince?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Press conference soon, yeah? Kenny Omega is apparently definitely in, but I think they have a different surprise.

By the way, currently undefeated Aaron Chalmers (I think he fights for Bellator) has tweeted out that he's going to AEW, for whatever that's worth. He's from Newcastle, England -- same place as PAC.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We are an hour away from the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DoubleOrNothing?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#DoubleOrNothing</a> Ticket Announcement Party but the news is breaking now! <a href="https://twitter.com/AEWrestling?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@aewrestling</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/luchalibreaaa?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@luchalibreaaa</a> are teaming up to <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChangeTheWorld?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChangeTheWorld</a> <a href="https://t.co/df01nPTCpu">pic.twitter.com/df01nPTCpu</a></p>&mdash; All Elite Wrestling (@AEWrestling) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEWrestling/status/1093676014138523648?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 8, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Emperor Smeat]

That pretty much ends any possible AEW-NJPW partnership unless NJPW and CMLL are interested in working with someone associated with CMLL's rival.

[slik]

La Parka will be AEWs Chairman Of the Board

[Mr. Nerfect]

Hmm, this is interesting. I'm not sure how I feel about AAA. They're obviously big, but I've heard some horror stories too. How have they been running lately? This also seems to imply that they will run in a different circle to New Japan, ROH and CMLL. It looks like it might be AEW, AAA and NOAH.

I think one thing is certain though: La Parka should be the first inductee into the AEW Hall of Fame.

[Mr. Nerfect]

This could potentially ease tensions with Lucha Underground, or if LU is abandoned a lot of the talent might end up in AEW.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="es" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/AEWrestling?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AEWrestling</a> in Las Vegas <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DoubleOrNothing?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#DoubleOrNothing</a> <a href="https://t.co/viuj98jxW8">pic.twitter.com/viuj98jxW8</a></p>&mdash; Pro Wrestling Sheet (@WrestlingSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/WrestlingSheet/status/1093684710608228352?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 8, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[slik]

Watch it live here:

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[slik]

Are the people chanting "Becky"

[slik]

Production values already better than All In

[slik]

Get this show on the road Cody...

[slik]

Sammy Guevara needs to work on his promos

[slik]

Hangman Page sort of looks like Matthew McConaughey


alright alright alright

[slik]

Pac vs Hangman Page announced for Double Or Nothing

[slik]

Young Bucks are good on the mic

[slik]

Site for tickets to Double or Nothing has crashed per Twitter

[slik]

Young Bucks saw AEW will push tag teams huge and tag team just might be the main event

[slik]

Trent and Chuckie joining the tag division

[slik]

Pentagon and Fenix too

[slik]

Lucha Bros have attacked the Young Bucks

[Emperor Smeat]

:lol: at that one person going crazy for the Yuka announcement.

[Casey Jones]

:lol: at that one person going crazy for the Yuka announcement.

Why is this funny to you? Are people not allowed to be excited over wrestling? Do we need your permission? What the heck is wrong with this forum?

[slik]

This has been 'just ok' so far

[slik]

I hope they don't plan on making AEW promo heavy because that is definitely not the strong point of a lot of these guys

[slik]

Kenny Omega has signed w/ AEW

[Emperor Smeat]

Why is this funny to you? Are people not allowed to be excited over wrestling? Do we need your permission? What the heck is wrong with this forum?

Just thought it was a harmless funny moment and also nice that someone in the crowd was a huge fan of her.


I hope they don't plan on making AEW promo heavy because that is definitely not the strong point of a lot of these guys
Supposedly its going to lean more towards sports style similar to NJPW than promo-heavy style like WWE.

[slik]

Omega vs Jericho @ Double or Nothing

[dronepool]

Sweet

[slik]

Thoughts on the AEW press conference:


Good: Production Values, Feels like WCW meets NXT sort of

Needs Work: Promos by a lot of people

Potential Future Stars: MJF & Kylie Ray have loads of personality

[Evil Vito]

WWE would’ve turned Kenny into “just another guy” so fast it’d make his head spin. He made the right call.

[Evil Vito]

Also fuck yeah Aja Kong

[xrodmuc316]

WWE would’ve turned Kenny into “just another guy” so fast it’d make his head spin. He made the right call.

Most likely, but not for certain.

Best case, he would get AJ Styles push
Worst case, he would get Kenta's push

Most likely though, he gets a Finn/Shinsuke push, without an amazing year+ run in NXT first where we could enjoy him, which would be even more disappointing.

[Triple A]

Potential Future Stars: MJF & Kylie Ray have loads of personality

MJF is freaking great

Very entertaining heel mannerisms in the ring also

[Mr. Nerfect]

MJF impressed me more here than he has in other stuff. He’s not bad, per se, it’s just very by the motions. I thought he felt very “organic” tonight. He’s going to be great and in that “next generation” of main talent with Hangman Page (who also reminded me of Matthew McConnaughey, Slik). Honestly, I thought the promos were so much better than WWE. Kylie was a little overexcited and “inside,” but I appreciate the fucking humanity. PAC was tremendous. Michael Nee has more charisma than most of the WWE roster.

Fuck yeah to Aja Kong. Alex Marvez sounds so much better than any WWE announcer not named Nigel McGuinness. Nothing groundbreaking here, but you also can’t set that precedent. I want to see all the matches they announced/teased. It did its job.

[Volare]

Now Kota can get his revenge!!

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[Mr. Nerfect]

I was kind of underwhelmed by Best Friends, to be honest, but I like the way they were kind of a red herring for the “real” tag team. I feel like Best Friends are mid-card.

[hb2k]

I was kind of underwhelmed by Best Friends, to be honest, but I like the way they were kind of a red herring for the “real” tag team. I feel like Best Friends are mid-card.

They sure are.

[A.J.K]

one of my personal favorites got signed, The fabulous fierce and gay , Sonny Kiss <3

[Jordan]

Good press show. I was entertained. Brandi was very ... indie. She should cut that shit out.

[Simple Fan]

These rallies have WCW Mall of America feel to them, especially this one. Seems they found the loophole around the LU contracts with a AAA agreement. Like the matches they've confirmed so far.

[Bad News Gertner]

Literally every member of the roster so far is the same.

[rez]

Literally every member of the roster so far is the same.

Fuck you, Gertner. My current army of one AEW fan bois won't stand for your negativity.

[Bad News Gertner]

It just looks like its gonna be a bunch of crusierweights having the same matches. But whatever, I hope it succeeds. More ways for wrestlers to earn a living.

[slik]

Jericho and Omega aren't cruisers, nor is Cody tho

[slik]

I think they won't have a lot of promos on their actual show, I think they'll take a page from New Japan in that aspect and be more action-oriented.

Double Or Nothing will really be our first chance to judge their production quality and so forth. If they can cut out WWE's god-awful shakey cam/zoom nonsense that will be a big plus right out of the gate. Same for over-reliance on using the hard-cam-side setup. I miss that about WCW, WCW looked and felt different than WWF/E and they didn't stick to that monotonous hard-cam-side.

[Bad News Gertner]

Jericho and Omega aren't cruisers, nor is Cody tho

Cody is 215 pounds. Omega isn't much bigger and works the same style as everyone in the roster . Cody is at least tall. Tall and mediocre.

[slik]

Cody said in an interview they might come up with a star system to rank athletes and matches but he didn't elaborate

[Simple Fan]

That's probably a bad idea. Those things never go well and are usually abandoned after a month or two never to be talked about again. Even if it is sport oriented ranking systems don't generally work in pro wrestling.

[Emperor Smeat]

Some stuff from a recent interview Omega had with the Observer Radio show.

Audio of Dave's chat with Kenny just went up following the AEW Ticket Announcement. Kinda surprised that of his three options, he put WWE ahead of going back to New Japan. Dances around Harold too, doesn't seem to be a fan but that's my impression not what he said.

He signed a 4 year deal too.

But he does say that he made sure his contract would allow him to do New Japan if that relationship ever comes together because they want to work with them.

Kenny says Ibushi has committments with his wrestling school in Japan (I didn't know he had one?) but he expects him to show up in AEW at some point, but not at Double or Nothing.

Towards the end he says something really interesting. Says that for the G1 when he faced Ibushi at the Budokan, they sold 144% of the building, while Tana/Okada on a different night had only sold 65%. Kenny says the New Japan office sent emails around saying that free tickets need to be given away for the Tana/Okada show because they can't have two guys from the indies (Kenny/Ibushi) outselling their home grown guys.

[ClockShot]

At this point, being roughly 2 months out of the G1 Supercard show at MSG during 'Mania weekend, they hopefully have some sort of agreement/partnership in place with New Japan and/or Ring of Honor in the works so that most of the AEW roster will be able to compete.

I think a lot of ticket buyers were under the impression that they would be seeing Kenny Omega, the Young Bucks, Cody, Hangman Page etc. at the show. As of right now Okada, Tanahashi, and Naito are the only confirmed names.

My concerned level has gone up slightly, but I'm still going.

[Evil Vito]

Cody’s already said that he’s taking Mania weekend off for the first time in his career. I wouldn’t expect any of the AEW guys there.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

AEW really kicked NJPW and ROH in the kneecap.

[rez]

I finally got the chance to watch the Double or Nothing party. Good vibes....no idea why they had it around a pool, though....that was probably heated. I guess they have to work with what MGM gives 'em for space.

They seemed to work around their mic problems alright. It's not like they have Kevin Dunn's minions in trailers working around the clock.

Despite skipping here and there, I'm still as excited as Creature would be to see 10 million viewers for Impact Wrestling.

[xrodmuc316]

Jericho and Omega aren't cruisers, nor is Cody tho

Jericho weighs like 300 pounds nowadays lol

[ClockShot]

I finally got the chance to watch the Double or Nothing party. Good vibes....no idea why they had it around a pool, though....that was probably heated. I guess they have to work with what MGM gives 'em for space.

They seemed to work around their mic problems alright. It's not like they have Kevin Dunn's minions in trailers working around the clock.

Despite skipping here and there, I'm still as excited as Creature would be to see 10 million viewers for Impact Wrestling.

MGM Grand Ultra Pool is one of the big party spots in Vegas. Actually gotta buy a ticket to get in.

[Jordan]

It just looks like its gonna be a bunch of crusierweights having the same matches. But whatever, I hope it succeeds. More ways for wrestlers to earn a living.

You are right they need to get some different bodies up there. Shame they couldn’t get Brodie King and PCO.

[erickman]

You are right they need to get some different bodies up there. Shame they couldn’t get Brodie King and PCO.

you know falla bah will show up sooner or latter

[slik]

Cody confirms that Double or Nothing will be priced cheaper than the 'E.

I think that's a trend they should continue for as long as they can, will help get people in seats.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">That’s a great question! We did it for All In so perhaps we could...<br><br>Proud to say that the rule remains. The boys and I scaled/priced the show below market average just like we did in Chicago. <a href="https://t.co/E1S51SLnBA">https://t.co/E1S51SLnBA</a></p>&mdash; Cody Rhodes (@CodyRhodes) <a href="https://twitter.com/CodyRhodes/status/1094368634422677508?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 9, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Emperor Smeat]

According to the Observer, NJPW's big plan for ROH's G1 Supercard show was going to be Omega vs Okada for the IWGP belt had Omega not left NJPW for AEW.

[slik]

No 'hard cam on the side' setup, it will be filmed differently than WWE. Fingers crossed for no shakey cam!


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEW</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DoubleOrNothing?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#DoubleOrNothing</a> Sat, May 25th<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SeatingChart?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SeatingChart</a><br>Tickets on Sale this Wed, Feb 13th - <a href="https://t.co/BVyw1bPbla">https://t.co/BVyw1bPbla</a> <a href="https://t.co/IwxsfcRBKU">pic.twitter.com/IwxsfcRBKU</a></p>&mdash; All Elite Wrestling (@AEWrestling) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEWrestling/status/1094812697374453761?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 11, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Evil Vito]

I dunno, section 13 appears to be blacked out. I'd think that's where the cameras are.

[slik]

yeah u r right, damn

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Section 13 is where production will need space for cameras and equipment.</p>&mdash; All Elite Wrestling (@AEWrestling) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEWrestling/status/1094821748724432898?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 11, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Malfeitor]

I hope I’m able to score tickets.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tonight at <a href="https://twitter.com/BizarroLucha?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BizarroLucha</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/The_MJF?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@The_MJF</a> proposed to <a href="https://twitter.com/b000giebear?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@b000giebear</a>!!! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LuchaVerse?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LuchaVerse</a> <a href="https://t.co/YkrDIHaYXV">pic.twitter.com/YkrDIHaYXV</a></p>&mdash; The Golden Ticket (@JasonFNSaint) <a href="https://twitter.com/JasonFNSaint/status/1094764101589450752?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 11, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Innovator]

AAAAAAAAAAnd it's sold out

[slik]

Out of PreSale Tix or everything?

[Innovator]

They had over 12,000 presale codes handed out and no one can get a single ticket now

[slik]

Looks like the regular sale is still on and they didn't release all the seats to the presale maybe?

https://www.axs.com/events/369058/aew-double-or-nothing-tickets?skin=grandgarden

[Malfeitor]

http://i.imgur.com/Ur5OMO4.jpg

That’s where I’m sitting.

[Jordan]

Awesome! Good job Cody! (If you are reading this tehehe)

[Jordan]

http://i.imgur.com/Ur5OMO4.jpg

That’s where I’m sitting.

:y::y: Awesome!

[Malfeitor]

I would’ve opted for more expensive tickets if my wife didn’t just have a birthday. Damn her.

[Jordan]

I wish they didn't feel compelled to have a large entrance that blocks off seats. I don't get the logic behind that.

[Malfeitor]

Gotta make it look legit, I suppose.

[Fignuts]

Yeah, cant hype this up as much as they have, and go with a dinky little curtain with strobe lights. Gotta go full stage.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If you did not get your ticket for <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEW</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DoubleOrNothing?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#DoubleOrNothing</a> in the pre-sale, General on sale happens Wed, Feb 13th at 9am Pst / 12pm Est<a href="https://t.co/BVyw1bPbla">https://t.co/BVyw1bPbla</a> <a href="https://t.co/ke6CmWA2Zz">pic.twitter.com/ke6CmWA2Zz</a></p>&mdash; All Elite Wrestling (@AEWrestling) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEWrestling/status/1095065195062480898?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 11, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[slik]

Nice seats @ Malfeitor!

[ClockShot]

According to the Observer, NJPW's big plan for ROH's G1 Supercard show was going to be Omega vs Okada for the IWGP belt had Omega not left NJPW for AEW.

I hope they've got a awesome plan B in the works.

[Emperor Smeat]

The source seems a bit sketchy but current rumor going around the net hints at AEW planning an October date for the launch of their potential tv show.

Same source also hinted the real launch of the company won't happen till this September since that is when the next All In event is scheduled to occur.

[Jordan]

I hope they've got a awesome plan B in the works.

It's gonna be Switcblade and Okada. I dunno how I feel. Well I'm not excited but whatever.

[Jordan]

I wonder if they will run the Jacksonville Stadium this summer. They said they would go there for the next event.

[Blonde Moment]

The source seems a bit sketchy but current rumor going around the net hints at AEW planning an October date for the launch of their potential tv show.

Same source also hinted the real launch of the company won't happen till this September since that is when the next All In event is scheduled to occur.

Just in time for Ambrose to show up

[Jordan]

May 25 - Double Or Nothing at the MGM Grand Arena, Las Vegas

June 2019 - Unspecified show (believed to be in USA)

July 2019 - Unnamed show in Jacksonville, Florida with a portion of the proceeds going to anti-gun crime charities

August 2019 - Royal Albert Hall, London, England

September 2019 - All Out - the official sequel to All In and the full launch of the brand prior to TV tapings beginning. We understand that while not yet confirmed, this is again likely to take place at the Sears Center in Chicago

October 2019 - Weekly television starts

Found this schedule for AEW going around. Folks saying there are Proms booked all month at Royal Albert Hall so that may not work. Also the place only holds around 5,000 so we will see.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

http://i.imgur.com/Ur5OMO4.jpg

That’s where I’m sitting.

Good job. The re-sale market is blowing up. Cheapest seat is 112 on Stubhub.

[Jordan]

"ALL OUT" wow... okay Cody has his dad's marketing bug but I think it's a lot better.

I love the PPV names so far. ALL IN, DOUBLE OR NOTHING (in Vegas, are you kidding), and then a year after it all started and the night it all official begins AEW goes ALL OUT once again at the Sears Center. Omg. I love it.

[RP]

The end of Fighting With The Family is Paige /sighing in relief after she won the NXT title and the eating the cum of Brad Maddox off her belt and flashing a huge cum eating grin at the camera.

[Malfeitor]

The cheapest seat I saw for my section on StubHub was like 545 or some shit. Ridiculous.

[Jordan]

Okay RP.

Rez was saying in the Raw thread that it would be good to snag some of the big name stars. With the rumors abounding of potential signings with Goldberg, Dave Batista, CM Punk and others and also the possibility of a summer stadium show in Jacksonville. I think a great hook to sell a show like that would be Batista vs Omega and Goldberg vs Jericho. I think a match with Batista and Omega would possibly get some mainstream press and they could build it easy as the big leaguer coming in to walk over the flavor of the month for a big pay day, all the while the cool and confident BEST BOUT MACHINE holds his own with his universe of fan at his side until the fateful showdown in the sun filled with awesome power spots and lots of rehearsal. With Goldberg and Jericho you have a real like decades long feud to bring to surface. With Jericho's recent abusive drunk gimmick he could really wring the cloth on Goldberg and push him to go over the edge live on PPV.

[Jordan]

Also I think that they should give Jericho a screw job win at Double or Nothing. He's had a lot of losses lately and if they have paid out like he said they did, and they did, then AEW should keep him strong for the future. Omega can easily recover from a loss from Jericho. He could even be stronger if done correctly.

[Evil Vito]

Also I think that they should give Jericho a screw job win at Double or Nothing. He's had a lot of losses lately and if they have paid out like he said they did, and they did, then AEW should keep him strong for the future. Omega can easily recover from a loss from Jericho. He could even be stronger if done correctly.

Yeah I’m thinking Jericho wins and then faces Hangman while PAC ties it up with Omega or something.

[slik]

Found this schedule for AEW going around. Folks saying there are Proms booked all month at Royal Albert Hall so that may not work. Also the place only holds around 5,000 so we will see.

I'm curious to learn more about these June and July shows. Hmmm.

[XL]

Could be a good move to start their TV in the traditional “fuck it, we’ll just coast until January” time period.

[slik]

Except WWE has moved the "fuck it, we'll just coast" mantra to being year-round, so they'll really be good to go whenever.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think Omega should win at DoN. He’s your ace right now and he’s never had any US exposure. He’s basically “homegrown,” in the sense that he’s never been in WWE. Even if they get AJ Styles, CM Punk and/or Randy Orton, those acts are more loaning their star power to the brand so you can build up and around your Kenny Omegas. Omega losing could be a big deal. I don’t think you start him off with one.

Besides, I like the idea of Jericho being this giant free agent who signs, and acts all babyface until this younger guy from Winnipeg signs and beats him in his first match, immediately adding wrinkles Jericho needs to iron out. Jericho can slime wins from Hangman Page and/or Cody. And if they don’t secure any of these rumoured big names, Omega can be the one guy Jericho is not greater than.

[slik]

The rest of the tickets went on sale.

Sold out in 4 minutes.

[Malfeitor]

I got fucking lucky. A lot of my friends tried to get tickets and got jack shit.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think this will be a trend for the next few shows at least. Keep a steady hand and enjoy the ride.

[Blonde Moment]

This is a good thing and if it keeps up maybe it will entice the Wwe to actually make some real changes

[Mr. Nerfect]

This is the first same-day sellout for pro-wrestling in Las Vegas, with tickets sold to every state and Puerto Rico, as well as 9 other countries.

[slik]

Great interview w/ Chris Jericho and Tony Kahn about plans for AEW.


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[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">God I love when you cut baby face promos ������ Great shit Mongoose! Congrats on the sell out!! ����</p>&mdash; Dwayne Johnson (@TheRock) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheRock/status/1096110260539015168?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 14, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Undertaker to appear at Starrcast II <a href="https://t.co/ZQr6Vw4XQb">https://t.co/ZQr6Vw4XQb</a> <a href="https://t.co/vLHx6XaC71">pic.twitter.com/vLHx6XaC71</a></p>&mdash; Wrestling Observer (@WONF4W) <a href="https://twitter.com/WONF4W/status/1096159917637943296?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 14, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[slik]

I don't think Taker is appearing at Double or Nothing btw

That said

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">See ya there, Take. <a href="https://t.co/KicnlJvu2s">https://t.co/KicnlJvu2s</a></p>&mdash; The Young Bucks® (@MattJackson13) <a href="https://twitter.com/MattJackson13/status/1096164483884412928?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 14, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Mr. Nerfect]

So surreal that The Undertaker is going to be at what is essentially their fan-fest.

[rez]

So surreal that The Undertaker is going to be at what is essentially their fan-fest.

Sting, too. Maybe they can play rockem sockem robots

[Mr. Nerfect]

Great Khan interview with Jericho. He sounds like a smart and pretty down-to-earth and honest guy. He’s got A LOT of knowledge and it was cool to hear the Midnight Express, Jim Cornette, Ultimo Dragon and Buddy Landell get shouts.

The “weird” things to me were hearing him describe the women like the cruiserweights in WCW. It’s like...WWE is pushing them as the main event (even if it is PR spin and they’re not really banking on them). I’d like to know more about what he means by that. I think it’s a healthier position for most of the female talent they’ve got (I don’t really feel “Britt Baker: Main Eventer”), but I feel it’s the one time he felt like he was putting too much pure hype promoting it like “something never done before.” Like he’s saying this division is going to be really different, but how.

I fucking love the inclusion of Aja Kong and Tony did say they are going to get “more diverse,” which I hope means they are going to look at the sorts of talent WWE wouldn’t really touch because they still have beauty requirements. But women’s wrestling has been a focus in a few places for quite a while now.

And while what he says about not wanting to grab everyone makes sane and logical sense, I’m a little disappointed it kind of dampened my excitement for a mass exodus. I still want Moxley, Styles, Nakamura, Orton, The Usos, The Hardys and Brock Lesnar over there for perception’s sake. They don’t need to be on every show and can mix up with other people. They’d bring freshness to roster, since they are so WWE entrenched.

[xrodmuc316]

So surreal that The Undertaker is going to be at what is essentially their fan-fest.

Nothing Taker does will ever be more surreal than this...

aZ6NBjEGVhY


Dude goes on a date with his wife in full Taker gear, while she eye bangs Kevin Love in the background lol

[Mr. Nerfect]

Haha, Taker’s such a weird dude. I’ve thought about this for ages, but there’s just something odd about the dude. I’m not making fun, but he doesn’t seem to fit the profile of other “tough guy” wrestlers. He’s spent most of his career putting on excessive make-up and pretending to be a zombie with utter sincerity. So much about him isn’t really known. And he’s evidently got terrible fashion sense (Survivor Series ‘00). It’s like there’s a little kid or drama nerd competing with the Texas guy who likes MMA and Jack Daniels in there.

[Mr. Nerfect]

CW Network could be a possibility for AEW too. We haven’t really talked about that too much.

[rez]

CW Network could be a possibility for AEW too. We haven’t really talked about that too much.

I'm hoping for TNT/TBS but CW would be the next best option. Any FOX or NBC stations aren't happening because WWE. Some random ESPN Ocho wouldn't be good... WGN would be..meh. I forgot it existed.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Well, my heart was on TBS or TNT too, but the CW actually has higher viewership, I believe. But do they want a network show or a cable one? There are probably “pressures” with a network show. I could see them simply cross-promoting due to the Cody/Arrow connection, or running Clash/SNME equivalents. They’re all under the Warner banner though.

Low-key hoping for an AEW/Mortal Kombat crossover.

[rez]

I always forget that CW is a network channel.

Damn do I want that TNT AEW Tuesday Night Dynamite, tho

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think that’s always been the goal. Hence the name of the show.

[rez]

Word

[rez]

Not that WCW was anything but shit in the end but that AOL merger was one of the worst things to happen to wrestling.

[Mr. Nerfect]

WCW made it a common sense decision to cut them off. They were losing so much fucking Turner money, and there was no end in sight.

[rez]

True. I still believe the brand could have been saved. Restructure contracts, purge Russo, etc.

TNA is still alive, after all.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The contracts weren’t going to be restructured and they were probably going to be used on to, and they weren’t going to draw anymore. They stumbled with Sting, fell on their ass with Goldberg, rolled down a hill with the Fingerpoke and then fell off a cliff with the Flair/Hogan double-turn. It was done by 1999.

TNA may be technically operating, but they have ~20,000 viewers (including Twitch), and hardly alive. The day the plug is pulled is not the day they were officially brain dead.

[xrodmuc316]

CW Network could be a possibility for AEW too. We haven’t really talked about that too much.

I have heard a few rumblings about CW. It makes sense, Aarow is one of their most successful shows, and the cross promotion would be the easiest thing to do with Cody and Stephen Amell, who I'm sure has at least a voice/opinion the network would listen to.

And CW's lineage does include a weekly wrestling show with Smackdown, so it's not a total unknown for them either.

As far as AEW goes, while it's not a big 4 network channel, it is still Network TV, and a Network deal right out of the bat would have to be the best case scenario over any cable channel.

[xrodmuc316]

WCW made it a common sense decision to cut them off. They were losing so much fucking Turner money, and there was no end in sight.

If you take Eric Bischoff at his word, which I do cause his story hasn't changed in almost 20 years, and he did try to buy it for further proof, but he said WCW wasn't really losing that much money.

When the merger happened they classified WCW as "other" with a bunch of other things at Turner that were losing money also, with the intent of unless I adding all of it to make the merger look good.

WCW didn't go out of business like ECW did where they had to declare bankruptcy, AOL/Time Warner just didn't want wrestling in their portfolio so they pulled the TV deal and took nothing for it.

They could have sold WCW for $45 Million with its current TV deals, and instead they cancelled the TV deals and sold it to Vince instead for $40 Million less.

They were willing to lose all the ad revenue that Nitro and Thunder brought, and an additional $40 Million instead of airing wrestling. Plus they still had to keep paying the full contract of every single wrestler who didn't take a buyout so they could go work for Vince.

Vince only took on like 6 contracts when he bought WCW, Booker T, Chavo, 2 other really low paying guys, I think Hurricane might have been one, and 2 of them were Torrie and Stacy who weren't making crap either. Everybody else in the Invasion got a lump sum buyout from AOL/Time Warner, so that is also more money they gave away just to get rid of wrestling.

Hogan, Hall, Nash, Goldberg, Sting, Flair, Mysterio, Steiner, Savage, Mr Perfect, those guys all sat at home getting paid their full amount until their contracts expired.

[rez]

The contracts weren’t going to be restructured and they were probably going to be used on to, and they weren’t going to draw anymore. They stumbled with Sting, fell on their ass with Goldberg, rolled down a hill with the Fingerpoke and then fell off a cliff with the Flair/Hogan double-turn. It was done by 1999.

TNA may be technically operating, but they have ~20,000 viewers (including Twitch), and hardly alive. The day the plug is pulled is not the day they were officially brain dead.

I only work on hindsight

[Mr. Nerfect]

If you take Eric Bischoff at his word, which I do cause his story hasn't changed in almost 20 years, and he did try to buy it for further proof, but he said WCW wasn't really losing that much money.

When the merger happened they classified WCW as "other" with a bunch of other things at Turner that were losing money also, with the intent of unless I adding all of it to make the merger look good.

WCW didn't go out of business like ECW did where they had to declare bankruptcy, AOL/Time Warner just didn't want wrestling in their portfolio so they pulled the TV deal and took nothing for it.

They could have sold WCW for $45 Million with its current TV deals, and instead they cancelled the TV deals and sold it to Vince instead for $40 Million less.

They were willing to lose all the ad revenue that Nitro and Thunder brought, and an additional $40 Million instead of airing wrestling. Plus they still had to keep paying the full contract of every single wrestler who didn't take a buyout so they could go work for Vince.

Vince only took on like 6 contracts when he bought WCW, Booker T, Chavo, 2 other really low paying guys, I think Hurricane might have been one, and 2 of them were Torrie and Stacy who weren't making crap either. Everybody else in the Invasion got a lump sum buyout from AOL/Time Warner, so that is also more money they gave away just to get rid of wrestling.

Hogan, Hall, Nash, Goldberg, Sting, Flair, Mysterio, Steiner, Savage, Mr Perfect, those guys all sat at home getting paid their full amount until their contracts expired.

I don’t take Bischoff on his word at all. Dude is a used car salesman that could only sell new cars.

If WCW was making money, and Bischoff was not a cunt to deal with, there is no way they would have chopped it. They chased away ad revenue, ratings, revenue streams, and all hope of it ever being profitable. Jamie Kellner didn’t shoot WCW in the head, he simply pulled the plug.

They could have sold WCW for more, but I’m willing to bet they just wanted it off their hands by then, and were ready to write off the loss. You also have to consider who would have even bought it. It was a dead brand, and when Vince tried to get it on networks later in 2001, no one was having it. And not even Vince was willing to buy those AOL-Time Warner contracts.

WCW had a lot of assets, but the value of what they could bring to TV. It cost more money to operate than it was making. That’s the ultimate factor there. There is no sane projection where WCW could come back.

[rez]

If you take Eric Bischoff at his word, which I do cause his story hasn't changed in almost 20 years, and he did try to buy it for further proof, but he said WCW wasn't really losing that much money.

When the merger happened they classified WCW as "other" with a bunch of other things at Turner that were losing money also, with the intent of unless I adding all of it to make the merger look good.

WCW didn't go out of business like ECW did where they had to declare bankruptcy, AOL/Time Warner just didn't want wrestling in their portfolio so they pulled the TV deal and took nothing for it.

They could have sold WCW for $45 Million with its current TV deals, and instead they cancelled the TV deals and sold it to Vince instead for $40 Million less.

They were willing to lose all the ad revenue that Nitro and Thunder brought, and an additional $40 Million instead of airing wrestling. Plus they still had to keep paying the full contract of every single wrestler who didn't take a buyout so they could go work for Vince.

Vince only took on like 6 contracts when he bought WCW, Booker T, Chavo, 2 other really low paying guys, I think Hurricane might have been one, and 2 of them were Torrie and Stacy who weren't making crap either. Everybody else in the Invasion got a lump sum buyout from AOL/Time Warner, so that is also more money they gave away just to get rid of wrestling.

Hogan, Hall, Nash, Goldberg, Sting, Flair, Mysterio, Steiner, Savage, Mr Perfect, those guys all sat at home getting paid their full amount until their contracts expired.

You explained it better than I could. that

[Mr. Nerfect]

I have heard a few rumblings about CW. It makes sense, Aarow is one of their most successful shows, and the cross promotion would be the easiest thing to do with Cody and Stephen Amell, who I'm sure has at least a voice/opinion the network would listen to.

And CW's lineage does include a weekly wrestling show with Smackdown, so it's not a total unknown for them either.

As far as AEW goes, while it's not a big 4 network channel, it is still Network TV, and a Network deal right out of the bat would have to be the best case scenario over any cable channel.

:y:

[Mr. Nerfect]

Every show in 2000 was a money loser. They were running the same sized arenas and getting much smaller crowds (1,800 paid seems to be the average). They had cut their third hour so television ratings would have needed to soar in order to compensate for lost ad revenue. They went down.

Everything was just as expensive, if not more (factoring in talent) and they were getting less and less back. $67 million in one year is nothing to sneeze at. On top of that there was the Hogan litigation. It was a headache.

I get kind of annoyed seeing Kellner portrayed as the villain. WCW was run incompetently into a wall. They were returning less and less and costing more and more. It’s a no-brainer.

[Mr. Nerfect]

They probably could have milked Vince for more money. But despite having their best profit year ever, he was also tied up in the XFL. I doubt he would have been willing to come up much.

[xrodmuc316]

Every show in 2000 was a money loser. They were running the same sized arenas and getting much smaller crowds (1,800 paid seems to be the average). They had cut their third hour so television ratings would have needed to soar in order to compensate for lost ad revenue. They went down.

Everything was just as expensive, if not more (factoring in talent) and they were getting less and less back. $67 million in one year is nothing to sneeze at. On top of that there was the Hogan litigation. It was a headache.

I get kind of annoyed seeing Kellner portrayed as the villain. WCW was run incompetently into a wall. They were returning less and less and costing more and more. It’s a no-brainer.

I only believe Bischoff cause his story has remained the same. Look at any other professional bullshitters, over the long haul they change details.

In 1999, WCW lost money, only a little, and that was their own fault. The whole Kiss demon gimmick was supposed to lead to a New Years Eve WCW/Kiss Concert PPV, which would have put WCW in the green for the year.

Then with the Merger, the big wigs got scared of putting on a live show because of Y2K fear. That actually happened, and they pulled the PPV off the table, along with turning a profit for the year.

WCW was still watchable at that point, but the decision makers got taken by the real used car salesman Vince Russo. WCW sent Bischoff home, essentially firing him while paying out the remainder of his contract.

Then in a few short months Vince Russo blew up everything WCW had built up for the last 3-4 years so quickly, including letting Benoit and company walk and show up on Raw. So WCW asked Bischoff to come back as a consultant and work with Russo, which lasted a few months until Russo went into business for himself with the whole Hogan thing.

The misconception about that is it wasn't the worked shoot of Jarrett lying down, it was the fact that after the match Hogan and Bischoff left, and then Russo cut a promo on Hogan and rebooked the title match, which is where the contract breach occurred in terms of Hogans creative control.

That was the year WCW lost that $67 or whatever it was million.

Russo and whoever put him in charge in combination with the merger as well as AOL/Time Warner not wanting wrestling in their channels is what killed WCW.

It wasn't one thing, just a combination of a bunch of bad circumstances. Of course WWE's narrative is they kicked WCWs ass out of business, but the victors get to write the history.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It’s a combination of a bunch, but Bischoff had already started to run WCW into the ground well before Russo came in. Russo certainly made things worse, but 1999 was not a good year for them.

[Simple Fan]

Thunder killed WCW.

[RP]

WHAT TIME DOES AEW COME ON TONIGHT GUY'S???

[Simple Fan]

It came on earlier today on YouTube

[Mr. Nerfect]

Hogan killed WCW, Bischoff killed WCW, Nash killed WCW, Russo killed WCW, three hours killed WCW, Thunder killed WCW — take your pick.

[Evil Vito]

WCW killed WCW

[erickman]

It came on earlier today on YouTube

an scot steiner is part of it

[Emperor Smeat]

Baring a NJPW-AEW partnership forming, seems the odds of Ibushi showing up at a future AEW event is even lower than before.

He hinted in a recent interview that he wants to retire in NJPW and his current contract with them was the last decision he made for his career.

[Fignuts]

Shit well in that case I’m calling Ibushi as G-1 winner right now.

[Evil Vito]

Sounds like Undertaker's been pulled from Starrcast

Vince probably threw another guaranteed deal at him

[Ultra Mantis]

Yeah Ibushi said he had a big money offer from AEW to work there exclusively and they wanted him to move to the US permanently (bear in mind his English is practically non existent, to the point he brought over a translator when he was in WWE). Weirdly this seems to be what has made him decide to commit to New Japan instead, he thought going to AEW would be the end of his career as he would never be able to go back to Japan and be a top guy. He said it really made him realise that he doesn't care about money at all, he just wants to be able to put on his best work and feels he can only do that in New Japan.

[slik]

Taker's info is listed again on Starrcast

[Evil Vito]

AEW has put up FB/Instagram posts about Sonny Kiss. No real surprise but loads of people in the comments section are now revealing themselves to be homophobic pricks who now aren't gonna watch the show because "eww, gay wrestler"

[thecc]

AEW has put up FB/Instagram posts about Sonny Kiss. No real surprise but loads of people in the comments section are now revealing themselves to be homophobic pricks who now aren't gonna watch the show because "eww, gay wrestler"Bullet clubalos being shitty. *gasp* I'm shocked.

[Emperor Smeat]

According to the Observer, there are at least 3 networks seriously interested in signing a tv deal with AEW and more networks have become interested due to the buzz generated from Double or Nothing's ticket sales.

In terms of if AEW could beat RAW on its first week, Meltzer stated only 1 of the 3 potential networks could possibly pull that off.

[Bad News Gertner]

If you take Eric Bischoff at his word, which I do cause his story hasn't changed in almost 20 years, and he did try to buy it for further proof, but he said WCW wasn't really losing that much money.

When the merger happened they classified WCW as "other" with a bunch of other things at Turner that were losing money also, with the intent of unless I adding all of it to make the merger look good.

WCW didn't go out of business like ECW did where they had to declare bankruptcy, AOL/Time Warner just didn't want wrestling in their portfolio so they pulled the TV deal and took nothing for it.

They could have sold WCW for $45 Million with its current TV deals, and instead they cancelled the TV deals and sold it to Vince instead for $40 Million less.

They were willing to lose all the ad revenue that Nitro and Thunder brought, and an additional $40 Million instead of airing wrestling. Plus they still had to keep paying the full contract of every single wrestler who didn't take a buyout so they could go work for Vince.

Vince only took on like 6 contracts when he bought WCW, Booker T, Chavo, 2 other really low paying guys, I think Hurricane might have been one, and 2 of them were Torrie and Stacy who weren't making crap either. Everybody else in the Invasion got a lump sum buyout from AOL/Time Warner, so that is also more money they gave away just to get rid of wrestling.

Hogan, Hall, Nash, Goldberg, Sting, Flair, Mysterio, Steiner, Savage, Mr Perfect, those guys all sat at home getting paid their full amount until their contracts expired.

Vince took on a lot more than 6 contracts.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

He had people under contract who didn't even show up on TV like Above Average Mike Sanders.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Looking forward to seeing what MJF does in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEW</a> Part 1 (from MLW) <a href="https://t.co/ujgIODQprL">pic.twitter.com/ujgIODQprL</a></p>&mdash; Kenton (@Kenton_la) <a href="https://twitter.com/Kenton_la/status/1098846458680410112?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 22, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Looking forward to seeing what MJF does in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEW</a> Part 2 (from MLW) <a href="https://t.co/4J2qjSjY5D">pic.twitter.com/4J2qjSjY5D</a></p>&mdash; Kenton (@Kenton_la) <a href="https://twitter.com/Kenton_la/status/1098847050920353792?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 22, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Looking forward to seeing what MJF does in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEW</a> Part 3 (from MLW) <a href="https://t.co/Ro6TWqXiP6">pic.twitter.com/Ro6TWqXiP6</a></p>&mdash; Kenton (@Kenton_la) <a href="https://twitter.com/Kenton_la/status/1098848082928783361?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 22, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Bad News Gertner]

He had people under contract who didn't even show up on TV like Above Average Mike Sanders.

Off the top of my head, Buff Bagwell, Booker T, Palumbo and O'Haire, Kanyon, Shawn Stasiak, Torrie Wilson, Stacy Keibler, Nick Patrick, Charles Robinson, Mickey Jay (I think) Mike Awesome, Chavo, Helms, Kaz Hayashi, Elix Skipper, Johnny the Bull, DDP, Mike Sanders, Kidman, Lance Storm.

I'm sure there's more that I'm missing.

[Simple Fan]

Also Arn Anderson and Mark Madden for a bit.

[Bad News Gertner]

Scott Hudson

[Evil Vito]

They took on so many contracts that they actually ran a second invasion angle in HWA at the same time the regular invasion was going on.

Johnny the Bull, Jamie Noble, Shannon Moore, Evan Karagias, Mike Sanders, Lash Leroux, Elix Skipper, Kaz Hayashi, Reno, Jason Jett, Kwee Wee were all there and part of it. The first three guys were the only ones to get called up and not until after the invasion was done.

[Simple Fan]

Scott Hudson

Yeah that right, some reason I thought Mark Madden but he might have gotten fired before the sale. WCW had too many commentators though.

[Evil Vito]

Mark Madden was a fat fuck moron

[ClockShot]

Major networks this, major networks that.

Which major networks? We should know this by now.

[Bad News Gertner]

They took on so many contracts that they actually ran a second invasion angle in HWA at the same time the regular invasion was going on.

Johnny the Bull, Jamie Noble, Shannon Moore, Evan Karagias, Mike Sanders, Lash Leroux, Elix Skipper, Kaz Hayashi, Reno, Jason Jett, Kwee Wee were all there and part of it. The first three guys were the only ones to get called up and not until after the invasion was done.

Ok yeah I knew I was missing a bunch

[Mr. Nerfect]

AEW is being very smart by not rushing into a TV deal. With big star contracts coming up circa April/May, there should be more and more interest. Way smarter to string this out until after DoN and see if you can jack up those rights fees.

[slik]

I don't think AEW wants a ton of names

I think they want to make their own names, ala WCW and Flair/Luger/Sting, etc

[Emperor Smeat]

Yeah that seems to be their main plan at the moment.

Kahn supposedly has already rejected a few names suggested to him by the Elite since he wants to keep the main roster small and not have AEW come off as WWE Rejects heaven like TNA/Impact nor being just The Elite & Pals. Even someone like Cody was something that took a lot of persuasion by Omega and the Bucks for him to sign.

Also makes it easier to offer big contracts if you have fewer mouths to feed since they are going to be running way fewer shows than WWE does per year.

[Mr. Nerfect]

That’s the official line, but of the WWE talent that have deals coming up, almost all of them are logical signings. Jim Ross, Arn Anderson, AJ Styles, Shinsuke Nakamura, Brock Lesnar, Dean Ambrose, Randy Orton, The Hardys and The Usos — they all fit. They all bring with them some cache.

[slik]

Those are all people in the twilight of their careers, save for Uso's and Ambrose. They already have Jericho, they don't need a ton of people in a similar position.

I don't think Ambrose will wrestle anywhere when his contract ends. I think Uso's will resign.

[Emperor Smeat]

That’s the official line, but of the WWE talent that have deals coming up, almost all of them are logical signings. Jim Ross, Arn Anderson, AJ Styles, Shinsuke Nakamura, Brock Lesnar, Dean Ambrose, Randy Orton, The Hardys and The Usos — they all fit. They all bring with them some cache.

They also have their share of baggage and in Lesnar's case, a very expensive price tag.

Like out of that group, I'd only pluck Styles (main event), Ambrose (mid to main event), and Usos (tag). Maybe Anderson for a backstage role depending on how things clarifying regarding his release.

If Lesnar comes with Heyman, then no need for Anderson although Lesnar would need to work a lot more and that price tag has to come down a lot.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I’d 100% take Styles, Orton and Lesnar. Brock vs. Jericho and a trilogy with Omega would make it worth it from the start. I’d even have some sort of perverse interest in Brock vs. Cody and Brock vs. Pentagon.

Even Nakamura makes sense from the perception perspective. If you want to draw a clear line between your product and the WWE, then having a kick-ass Styles vs. Nakamura match is a good start.

[XL]

It <s>spends</s> depends what we’re talking about perception wise; yeah AEW don’t want to be perceived as the place *all* WWE rejects go and get a push, but WWE lifers like Orton will help with the perception tha AEW can compete. Guys like Styles & Nak give a different vibe; these aren’t guys that are fully WWE branded. Styles in particular has worked in the biggest companies in the world throughout his career, he has a bit of a Free Agent feel to him still, choosing AEW over WWE when they’ve been pushed well (more so in Styles’ case) gives off a totally different vibe than your Tye Dillinger’s and TJP’s signing.

[erickman]

they would be fools if they did not take rusev when he leaves wwe he is young enough and over enough to be a steal for them.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It spends what we’re talking about perception wise; yeah AEW don’t want to be perceived as the place *all* WWE rejects go and get a push, but WWE lifers like Orton will help with the perception tha AEW can compete. Guys like Styles & Nak give a different vibe; these aren’t guys that are fully WWE branded. Styles in particular has worked in the biggest companies in the world throughout his career, he has a bit of a Free Agent feel to him still, choosing AEW over WWE when they’ve been pushed well (more so in Styles’ case) gives off a totally different vibe than your Tye Dillinger’s and TJP’s signing.

Bingo. You want the tippy top guys because it looks like you’re shakers. You want the underappreciated because it allows you to look ace using them properly. A TJ Perkins or Shawn Spears are the guys I would be more reluctant to take. They’ve got more of the “cast off” vibe.

[Mr. Nerfect]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BuRPl4jH5lS/?utm_source=ig_embed&ig_mid=XHLvwQAAAAFKy2vSjGiiZYPzybDU

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don’t know if that’s worked. But I tried to post a screen grab of an interesting exchange between Randy Orton and Zack Ryder on Instagram.

[XL]

Not showing up for me.

[xrodmuc316]

Nakamura should be their number one target. That dude is a star, and would certainly bring in more fans, especially from NJPW. Yeah they will want to watch the Americans who did good in New Japan, but their own guy, that will bring in a big fan base.

[Tom Guycott]

Shinsuke would be a huge coup. I think an announced signing for AEW would be like when AJ showed up in WWE.

Nakamura can do it all, but WWE isn't seeing fit to hitch their wagons to him and let that spark of excitement flicker, so another change of scenery could be a nice "oh, shit" moment. Plus, you have the potential of out the box classics with guys like Jericho, Omega, PAC, or possibly even Cody, and a guy who can help get Adam Paige over as "the man" since it seems like that's a direction they're heading in.

Conversely, if WWE actually decides to let the man cut loose and be top dog to keep him away from AEW, that could be a benefit, too. Of course, they could just throw a bunch of money at him to server that purpose, and let him languish in the midcard anyway content to not have him draw elsewhere...

[erickman]

uh oh noid eli drake is in the latest being the elite vid.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Well, AEW is officially dead to me. Have fun, folks.

[Evil Vito]

:lol: all that Noid optimism in this thread gone in one fell swoop

[slik]

AEW continuing to announce good things -- Their first show, 'Double or Nothing' and all shows will be 'sensory inclusive', -- they will have things and staff on hand to help fans with disabilities, such as Autism/PTSD so they can both enjoy and attend their show w/o being overwhelmed by all the sensory things happening.


They are teaming up w/ https://www.kulturecity.org to make it happen

[Simple Fan]

Oh shit, Eli Drake and Joey Ryan in the same segment. Is Noid's head still intact?

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Oh shit, Eli Drake and Joey Ryan in the same segment. Is Noid's head still intact?

Well, I told you so guys. Don't come bitching to me.

[slik]

Why would we? Nothing wrong w/ Eli Drake or Joey Ryan.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Eli is meh but Joey is a blight on professional wrestling.

[slik]

Seems like a solid hand w/ an established and known gimmick

Would be a benefit to any organization that hired him.

[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Konnan being interveiwed rn. He mentions AEW can bring them some interesting matchups in the future. That they have limited spots for the triplemania show and would love to see Kenny vs Penta in AAA.</p>&mdash; MICRO THE MAIN MAN (@MicromanFever) <a href="https://twitter.com/MicromanFever/status/1100830656962183169?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 27, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Considering last year's TripleMania was an entertaining train wreck for quality, I was already on board to watch this year's show and now even more interested if Kenny vs Pentagon happens.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Why would we? Nothing wrong w/ Eli Drake or Joey Ryan.

Joey Ryan is fucking trash and Eli Drake is one of the most cringe-inducing wrestlers I have ever seen.

[Maluco]

Possible initial alarm bells ringing with this whole thing...

1. The Khans are making a potential mess at Fulham. A heavy spend upon promotion to the top division in England promised to bring big returns, but has produced a poor, badly balanced squad. They are now the only team in the division to be under their 3rd manager this season and looked lol but confirmed to being going down. Poor choices in players and on second manager.

2. Recent trademark news appears to indicate that the applications have been ballsed up and that all of them weren’t even properly applied for or paid for.

Seems amateurish and combined with the Fulham scenario, is a bit worrying going forward and would make it seem like they don’t really know what they are doing.

Might be fine and early teething problems, but it’s def a reminder of where they are.

[slik]

Joey Ryan is fucking trash and Eli Drake is one of the most cringe-inducing wrestlers I have ever seen.

I am sorry to hear you don't like to have fun

Joey Ryan brings entertainment in the tradition of The Godfather, Rick Rude, Sable & Val Venis to his matches.

[Emperor Smeat]

Possible initial alarm bells ringing with this whole thing...

1. The Khans are making a potential mess at Fulham. A heavy spend upon promotion to the top division in England promised to bring big returns, but has produced a poor, badly balanced squad. They are now the only team in the division to be under their 3rd manager this season and looked lol but confirmed to being going down. Poor choices in players and on second manager.

2. Recent trademark news appears to indicate that the applications have been ballsed up and that all of them weren’t even properly applied for or paid for.

Seems amateurish and combined with the Fulham scenario, is a bit worrying going forward and would make it seem like they don’t really know what they are doing.

Might be fine and early teething problems, but it’s def a reminder of where they are.

Young Bucks had a similar problem with trademarks when it came to last year's All In event.

In their case it was the Patent Office thinking All In was just a one-off type trademark and Bucks likely thinking they owned a regular trademark.

Other legal issues related to All In is why ROH and not AEW owns the tape and broadcasting rights to that event.

[Tom Guycott]

Possible initial alarm bells ringing with this whole thing...

1. The Khans are making a potential mess at Fulham. A heavy spend upon promotion to the top division in England promised to bring big returns, but has produced a poor, badly balanced squad. They are now the only team in the division to be under their 3rd manager this season and looked lol but confirmed to being going down. Poor choices in players and on second manager.

2. Recent trademark news appears to indicate that the applications have been ballsed up and that all of them weren’t even properly applied for or paid for.

Seems amateurish and combined with the Fulham scenario, is a bit worrying going forward and would make it seem like they don’t really know what they are doing.

Might be fine and early teething problems, but it’s def a reminder of where they are.

Prob'ly this.

I know there are folks who just want this to implode because they hate the Young Bucks or whatever, but even WWE wasn't WWE overnight, a fact that even that company seems to forget at times. As long as they keep going the "alternative" route and not fall for the "competition" trap OR hope this thing becomes perfect before 2020 even starts and blow it up to start over if it isn't (aka the mistake TNA kept making by hitting multiple reset buttons). The beginning steps of possibly sustaining the brand should be around five years or so. Give or take.

On the subject of Eli Drake and Joey Ryan... I personally dislike watching those two for divergent reasons, but they are capable in the ring. Eli still needs to tone down the "Tryhard Miavia" schtick (seriously, even Sonny Siaki wasn't aping him that much), and Joey is hopefully moving past trying to cling to what was supposed to be a one-off, contextual spot against one particular opponent and parlay that into a career move over a number of YEARS. It would be like if Adam Cole still was trying to get everyone to suck his dick while working his way up the NXT ladder.

And, because I haven't done this in awhile and am overdue:

Not a good night for Ospreay's nuts.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">July 13th <a href="https://twitter.com/dailysplace?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@dailysplace</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEW</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FightForTheFallen?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#FightForTheFallen</a> <a href="https://t.co/PrIQxZTbUU">pic.twitter.com/PrIQxZTbUU</a></p>&mdash; All Elite Wrestling (@AEWrestling) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEWrestling/status/1102619557032873987?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 4, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[slik]

Seats 5K, should look good on camera


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https://i.imgur.com/CyMJsbW.jpg

[Evil Vito]

Interesting layout for a wrestling show, I'd be keen to check it out

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Looks like the setup for the South Park Wrestling episode

https://media.giphy.com/media/3o6ZtbE3quoBaVt0hW/giphy.gif

[slik]

They do have a Kenny, hmmm

[ClockShot]

An Amphitheater? Interesting choice for a venue.

[rez]

Strange. Could look cool

[Tom Guycott]

Looks like the setup for the South Park Wrestling episode

https://media.giphy.com/media/3o6ZtbE3quoBaVt0hW/giphy.gif

Considering the source, that might be exactly what they were trying to do.

Not saying it is, but I'm saying if one of them says in some future shoot interview that they were watching South Park and said "let's try to make that set for realsies", it wouldn't surprise me.

[Evil Vito]

Ace Romero is booked for the Over Budget Battle Royal

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[Supreme Olajuwon]

It wouldn’t be a battle royal if there wasn’t a big fat guy for the announcers to question who’s gonna be able to throw him over the top rope.

[slik]

damn @ heinous neg rep from STD

[Droford]

I want to a TNA show at the delaware state fair a few years ago that was basically the same setup...the ramp came down from the musical stage and the ring was surrounded by seats on 3 sides. Got my foot stepped on a few times (most notably Brian Kendrick who seemed to do it every time he came by my side of the ring) cause i was in the front row and the railing was so close my feet had to go under it.

[Droford]

Also AEW getting Jim Ross seems like a big deal and I hope he does better announcing live matches than his work dubbing NJPW on AXS was.

[Jordan]

AEW IS DEAD. They haven’t announced anything good in a while.

[Jordan]

I would prefer Ace Romero in MLW but whatever. He’s good I guess but he does way too much. I would sign him if I was AEW and consider pushing him like Vader. Can you imagine Ace vs Kenny?

They need to announce some body cool.

[Volare]

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[xrodmuc316]

Also AEW getting Jim Ross seems like a big deal and I hope he does better announcing live matches than his work dubbing NJPW on AXS was.

Not that it has anything to do with AEW, but I HATE dubbing when the announcer can't bring the same heat in a studio that they do calling a match live in the arena.

Mauro is one of the worst at it, you can instantly tell when a voiceover comes on instead of his actual commentary. Percy Watson is really bad at it too.

Taz, JBL, and Lawler on the other hand always sounded the same, and you couldn't tell one bit.

[Black Widow]

And the fan's of a company that hasn't even started have already become more annoying than TNA fan's that thought Vince had something to fear.

[Ultra Mantis]

Tbf Jim Ross fucking sucked at doing live New Japan commentary too.

[Jordan]

Can't wait to see Sonny Kiss go one on one with Chuckie T!

[Jordan]

Tbf Jim Ross fucking sucked at doing live New Japan commentary too.

I understand why people think it would be a smart move to get JR for commentary on AEW but I think we need to leave well enough alone. He was pretty bad for NJPW mostly, moments were good but generally he wasn't.

[Blonde Moment]

Ross might be brought in for talent relations rather than broadcast?

[Mr. Nerfect]

And the fan's of a company that hasn't even started have already become more annoying than TNA fan's that thought Vince had something to fear.

No one is more annoying than TNA fans.

Ross might be brought in for talent relations rather than broadcast?

They’d be foolish to not use his brain for something.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I am sorry to hear you don't like to have fun

Joey Ryan brings entertainment in the tradition of The Godfather, Rick Rude, Sable & Val Venis to his matches.

Yes, because not liking Eli Drake and Joey Ryan means I don’t like to have fun. :roll:

Did you just compare Joey Ryan to Rick Rude?

[Vastardikai]

Only actual comparison is this: Joey Ryan, like Rick Rude, has a mustache.

Kind of wish Rude was still alive, though. He would be the top heel in the Indies for two reasons:

1. He'd draw women, the anathema of the Indy Wrestling Fan.
2. He would cut the greatest promos in the world, making the fans absolutely loathe him. And he wouldn't even have to lie. It would be something to the extent of "Joey Ryan, we are a lot alike. People want to see both our dicks. The only difference is, the people who want to see my dick don't have one of their own."

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Tbf Jim Ross fucking sucked at doing live New Japan commentary too.

He was drunk too.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It’s a different environment.

[slik]

Yes, because not liking Eli Drake and Joey Ryan means I don’t like to have fun. :roll:

Did you just compare Joey Ryan to Rick Rude?

He's definitely more Rick Rude than Bam Bam Bigelow. If there's a modern day Bigelow it's probably Barrington Hughes.

[Simple Fan]

Love Barrington Hughes but he's no Bam Bam.

[Jordan]

I see Hughes as a blubbered version of JYD.

[Jordan]

If there is a modern day Bam Bam it's Keith Lee!

[Jordan]

So do you think Gallows and Anderson go to AEW or NJPW?

[slik]

Let me troll in peace damn it :lol:

[slik]

I bet AEW

already dreading the 'hot takes' on twitter about it ranging from "WWE SUX THEY LOST BEST TEEM' to 'ANDERS, SON & GALLO SUCK GLAD THEY R GUN FROM WWE!!"

[Simple Fan]

If there is a modern day Bam Bam it's Keith Lee!

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