All Elite Wrestling

[Mr. Nerfect]

Bandido has not been signed by AEW. He says that he is still in talks with them and has been in contact with WWE as well.

Smart man.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Bryan Alvarez says that only one source on the Sammy/Andrade fight says there was any push from Sammy. Every other account apparently says Andrade walked up and sucker punched Sammy right in his stupid face.

I don’t believe Alvarez or Meltzer anymore. They’re in so deep and skewer everything. Sammy was acting like a total git on Twitter. It was obvious that something was going to go down between these parties. Total wreck. AEW should suspend itself.

[Sepholio]

Given the context and parties involved, Sammy starting the physicality seemed weird in the first place. Him popping off at the mouth and Andrade shutting his mouth for him seems a much more likely scenario.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Amazing bit from the new Observer: &quot;Those in Mexico say viewership of AEW programming was low because the fans hated the Spanish language announcers who were not fluent in Spanish and even made up words.&quot;</p>&mdash; Trevor Dame (@TrevorDame) <a href="https://twitter.com/TrevorDame/status/1578294502078709760?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 7, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Sepholio]

lolAEW

[Jordan]

Who were their Spanish announcers?

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Dingus Khan (hopefully someone gets this)

[drave]

I GET IT!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!

[Mr. Nerfect]

Given the context and parties involved, Sammy starting the physicality seemed weird in the first place. Him popping off at the mouth and Andrade shutting his mouth for him seems a much more likely scenario.

Absolutely, and popping off at the mouth doesn’t make you innocent.

[Mr. Nerfect]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Amazing bit from the new Observer: &quot;Those in Mexico say viewership of AEW programming was low because the fans hated the Spanish language announcers who were not fluent in Spanish and even made up words.&quot;</p>&mdash; Trevor Dame (@TrevorDame) <a href="https://twitter.com/TrevorDame/status/1578294502078709760?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 7, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

…What?

[Mr. Nerfect]

You also have to factor in AEW sucking. That doesn’t help. But it was also totally AEW’s choice to drop its Spanish language partners.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Dingus Khan (hopefully someone gets this)

That’s good.

[xrodmuc316]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Amazing bit from the new Observer: &quot;Those in Mexico say viewership of AEW programming was low because the fans hated the Spanish language announcers who were not fluent in Spanish and even made up words.&quot;</p>&mdash; Trevor Dame (@TrevorDame) <a href="https://twitter.com/TrevorDame/status/1578294502078709760?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 7, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

They had a different Spanish announcer before...

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[drave]

que?

[Sepholio]

just picturing 2 white dudes sitting there calling each other "esse" and "holmes"

[ron the dial]

"the road dogg" esse james

[Sepholio]

"Bad Hombre" Billy Gunn

[Sepholio]

scissor mi padre

[ron the dial]

"forajidos de la nueva era" damn that's actually pretty sick

[#1-norm-fan]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Is Tony Khan the greatest boss in the world? IDK. I don't feel sorry for talent making a lot of money, wrestling on national TV, working fewer dates and having more creative freedom. You're not high enough on the card? Welcome to the club. That's called life. Deal with it.</p>&mdash; Jim Valley (@JimValley) <a href="https://twitter.com/JimValley/status/1578155870034464768?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 6, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I post this partially because I agree with this guy’s sentiment though I’m not sure who he’s referring to.

But I’m mostly posting it because the guy who tweeted it looks like the love child of Jim Cornette and owenbrown and it’s freaking me out.

[xrodmuc316]

que?

When their spanish announcer mocked Shida on commentary and got himself fired.

[xrodmuc316]

How the HELL does TINY do it??????

Promised us another "ONE OF THE BEST EVER" Dynamites! Is there no end in sight for this MF'ING Magician?

https://www.wrestlinginc.com/1043709/tony-khan-says-upcoming-aew-dynamite-will-be-one-of-our-best-shows-ever/

"After a great AEW Dynamite Anniversary last night + following a great AEW Grand Slam, exciting milestones ahead: TOMORROW our first live Friday AEW Rampage + Battle Of The Belts," Khan tweeted. "Next week, AEW International! I tell you now I expect Dynamite Toronto to be one of our best shows ever LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

[Mr. Nerfect]

LolAEW

[Mr. Nerfect]

Meltzer is reporting that there are legal issues holding up The Elite returning to television. He’s, uh, not doing his buddies any favors there, is he? If there were legal issues, they’d probably be confidential to parties involved, so The Bucks and/or Omega blabbing about this is exactly the point. Unless Meltzer is just flat-out lying, which still makes his buds look bad.

But it’s reasonable to deduce that Punk has got them all by the balls. I’m so curious as to see how this all plays out. Whatever you want to say about Punk, he’s always used the plight of other talent to justify his actions (whether genuine or a smokescreen). A lot of marks on the internet are framing this as Punk being selfish, but I can definitely see him framing it as a cause. Get rid of the toxic management and persuade Tony Khan to better utilize talent using the leverage he’s got. Either that or “let my people go.”

[Sepholio]

I think the whole legal issues remarks he made are probably more inspired by TK doing an interview a couple days ago and when he was asked about The Elite/Punk in multiple different ways he kept saying something to the effect of "I am not allowed to speak about that matter at this time." The way he kept saying he wasn't allowed is pretty indicative that there is a legal issue at play here currently.

[Sepholio]

Although in fairness I'm not exactly sure how a legal issue could directly keep them off TV. More likely that the legal issues have led to WBD probably telling him not to put any of them on air or talk about the situation until everything is settled to avoid any potential headaches.

[Sepholio]

Basically, it isn't the legal issue itself keeping them off TV, it's the optics of the whole thing keeping them away.

[xrodmuc316]

I hate Tony Khan

Has said SOOOOOO many times how "HE", not his daddy, but "HE HIMSELF" has more money. Then all he donated to Sara Lee is $10,000.

What a lying dick, pretends he is a $10 billionaire, then gives exactly twice as much as Kevin Owens, the top donor.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I hate Tony Khan

Has said SOOOOOO many times how "HE", not his daddy, but "HE HIMSELF" has more money. Then all he donated to Sara Lee is $10,000.

What a lying dick, pretends he is a $10 billionaire, then gives exactly twice as much as Kevin Owens, the top donor.

She's dead. What the hell is she gonna do with the money?

(that's a joke)

[Mr. Nerfect]

Basically, it isn't the legal issue itself keeping them off TV, it's the optics of the whole thing keeping them away.

Well, we’re getting into semantics. I mean, if Punk is holding The Bucks and Omega invading his space and putting a civilian at risk as ammunition to get what AEW needs out of the situation, putting The Elite on television could break the dam wall there. I would have thought that using Adam Page would be the same thing though.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I hate Tony Khan

Has said SOOOOOO many times how "HE", not his daddy, but "HE HIMSELF" has more money. Then all he donated to Sara Lee is $10,000.

What a lying dick, pretends he is a $10 billionaire, then gives exactly twice as much as Kevin Owens, the top donor.

I’m glad Wesley Blake and the kids are getting the money. He’d earn more if he was paid by AEW to sit in catering though.

[Mr. Nerfect]

If he signed a 3 year deal he wouldn’t be able to not get paid even if he wanted to.

[xrodmuc316]

She's dead. What the hell is she gonna do with the money?

(that's a joke)

I know man, but what kind of egomanic goes and gives exactly twice as much as the top donor deliberately. Plus if he is going to brag about having WAY MORE money, then give WAY MORE.

Maybe hire Blake for one of those office jobs that provides insurance to her 3 kids.

I don't know man, I hate famous people that do token shit just to make themselves look good. He also had the option to donate anonymous, but that would defeat the purpose of doubling up the top donor for clout.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AEW just announced that Jon Moxley has signed a five-year contract extension that also includes an expanded role in coaching and mentorship. <a href="https://t.co/vFBLbPPKPd">pic.twitter.com/vFBLbPPKPd</a></p>&mdash; Marc Raimondi (@marcraimondi) <a href="https://twitter.com/marcraimondi/status/1578546816810815488?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 8, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Mr. Nerfect]

I know man, but what kind of egomanic goes and gives exactly twice as much as the top donor deliberately. Plus if he is going to brag about having WAY MORE money, then give WAY MORE.

Maybe hire Blake for one of those office jobs that provides insurance to her 3 kids.

I don't know man, I hate famous people that do token shit just to make themselves look good. He also had the option to donate anonymous, but that would defeat the purpose of doubling up the top donor for clout.

Eh, rich fuckers hug their money and do do things for clout. I don’t think TK is in a unique bracket with that. But nor have I ever bought into the fake “nice guy” bullshit around him either. I’d like to think if I had $10k to throw around every day I’d donate to charities anonymously, but I say that without the money to let my money be PR for the stupid too.

[xrodmuc316]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AEW just announced that Jon Moxley has signed a five-year contract extension that also includes an expanded role in coaching and mentorship. <a href="https://t.co/vFBLbPPKPd">pic.twitter.com/vFBLbPPKPd</a></p>&mdash; Marc Raimondi (@marcraimondi) <a href="https://twitter.com/marcraimondi/status/1578546816810815488?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 8, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Its gonna be funny when Tony is stuck paying these guys like AOL Time Warner for years even after the wrestling company has closed.

[Mr. Nerfect]

With Moxley signing his deal, I can see WWE bringing back Renee Young into the fold imminently.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I wonder if we’re going to get a WCW situation with talent sitting out collecting or if Shad Khan just pays the contracts out.

[#1-norm-fan]

I hate Tony Khan

Has said SOOOOOO many times how "HE", not his daddy, but "HE HIMSELF" has more money. Then all he donated to Sara Lee is $10,000.

What a lying dick, pretends he is a $10 billionaire, then gives exactly twice as much as Kevin Owens, the top donor.

Yeah, I’m not letting this post get buried.

[weather vane]

What a fucking moron.

[xrodmuc316]

LOL Fucking Tiny

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[Jordan]

"I tought dey was my fwiends"

[Mr. Nerfect]

He should pay his friends more. That’s the life lesson.

[xrodmuc316]

https://i.imgflip.com/6wcdvd.jpg

[Mr. Nerfect]

Thought that was Chris Jericho scrolling through.

[Sepholio]

Saw people speculating on why Moxley would sign a 5 year with AEW. I'll tell you why: He saw what happened to WCW and he wants to keep drawing a fat paycheck when his job shuts down, too.

[Jordan]

Saw people speculating on why Moxley would sign a 5 year with AEW. I'll tell you why: He saw what happened to WCW and he wants to keep drawing a fat paycheck when his job shuts down, too.

I came in to talk about this. Career wise, I'm sure Mox made a very smart financial decision to sign for 5 years. He probably will be set for life more or less. But creatively I can't see how we make Mox AEW's Roman Reigns at this point when we can't really see past the end of the year for potential title challengers. Confusing decision but I support it because Mox is my favorite wrester IRL.

[XL]

Wasn’t the situation with WCW that the guys were signed to Time Warner not WCW? It’s that the situation with AEW?

[xrodmuc316]

Wasn’t the situation with WCW that the guys were signed to Time Warner not WCW? It’s that the situation with AEW?

I thought that only happened towards the end. Not everybody had those contracts either, just the top level guys. I think it was only Hogan, Sting, Goldberg, Hall, and Nash beforehand. I think everybody else that had a WCW contract was converted after WCW closed only if WWE didn't want their contract and they didn't take a buy out.

Even so, I can't envision Moxley signing a new contract without clauses that guarantee he will still get paid by the Khans even if AEW closed.

[XL]

Could see him signing just to carry on with garbage wrestling.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

His contract is AEW exclusive and their international partners. So other than maybe a surprise run in garbage time wrestling is mostly over for him. And good for him. Save what’s left of your body and make all the money you Can to give your kid a great life.

[XL]

Pfffft. He’ll still do the garbage thing in AEW.

[xrodmuc316]

His contract is AEW exclusive and their international partners. So other than maybe a surprise run in garbage time wrestling is mostly over for him. And good for him. Save what’s left of your body and make all the money you Can to give your kid a great life.

I am loving even Damian admitting signing long term with AEW means a wrestling career is "mostly over" :rofl:

[xrodmuc316]

Soccer Fans have no Chill :rofl::rofl::rofl:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="qme" dir="ltr"> <a href="https://t.co/Hb507tTbgI">pic.twitter.com/Hb507tTbgI</a></p>&mdash; Jamie Peach (@ToysThatWrestle) <a href="https://twitter.com/ToysThatWrestle/status/1579453054256320517?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 10, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Big party <a href="https://t.co/ToX3QTaoJ0">pic.twitter.com/ToX3QTaoJ0</a></p>&mdash; Samson McMuffin (@samsonmcmuffin) <a href="https://twitter.com/samsonmcmuffin/status/1579428187909820416?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 10, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Happy Birthday doggy boy <a href="https://t.co/UVxEAB0W7v">pic.twitter.com/UVxEAB0W7v</a></p>&mdash; Homer (@Paulypieman2) <a href="https://twitter.com/Paulypieman2/status/1579484700141588490?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 10, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[xrodmuc316]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

If I’m WWE, I’m stoked Tony Khan is blowing his money on Jon Moxley. What am I going to do with him? He hasn’t been good since 2016. You can cash in on The Shield thing a little bit, but do you want to be forced into the position of booking him strong to convince talents you actually want to jump ship?

Let him stay in AEW doing the garbage shit you can make fun of. Let him impart “wisdom” on a bunch of green guys. I’d maybe sign his wife to do Talking Smack since she’s great in that role and he might go inside knowing she’s in the other company with bigger stars. It’s brutal, but hey — make the other guys implode.

[Jordan]

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"We're going to need a new belt"

[Mr. Nerfect]

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It’s the opening match of Double or Nothing 5.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Man, we’ve already had 4 DONs. And what do they really have to show for it? Cody vs. Dustin?

[xrodmuc316]

“For AEW and for wrestling fans, this debut in Toronto is a huge milestone,” CEO and general manager Tony Khan exclusively told the Star. “WWE has run shows in Toronto and through Canada for decades but there has not been a challenge or promotion with the level of international TV penetration that AEW has with our great roster of wrestlers, our unmatched financial resources, and our international television partnerships in two decades.”

This idiot really bragging to Canadians about how much money his daddy gives him :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Vastardikai]

If I’m WWE, I’m stoked Tony Khan is blowing his money on Jon Moxley. What am I going to do with him? He hasn’t been good since 2016. You can cash in on The Shield thing a little bit, but do you want to be forced into the position of booking him strong to convince talents you actually want to jump ship?

Let him stay in AEW doing the garbage shit you can make fun of. Let him impart “wisdom” on a bunch of green guys. I’d maybe sign his wife to do Talking Smack since she’s great in that role and he might go inside knowing she’s in the other company with bigger stars. It’s brutal, but hey — make the other guys implode.

There's really only 5 folks in AEW I would be interested in signing, if I were Trips.

I am talking about Ricky Starks, Powerhouse Hobbs, Wardlow, MJF, and maybe Thunder Rosa as a trainer. Perhaps even Abaddon for a one off with Bray Wyatt.

[Mr. Nerfect]

There's really only 5 folks in AEW I would be interested in signing, if I were Trips.

I am talking about Ricky Starks, Powerhouse Hobbs, Wardlow, MJF, and maybe Thunder Rosa as a trainer. Perhaps even Abaddon for a one off with Bray Wyatt.

Your list reads very similarly to mine. I’d add Jade Cargill though. I’m iffy on Britt Baker because of her attitude. I haven’t seen enough of Jamie Hayter. Hit them in the women. They’ll need to present a women’s division, so if you take anyone worth anything close to a shit, they’re up the river on that one.

But some of these guys and girls are better salvos going off in AEW’s own ship. MJF and Jade Cargill are the two they sort of get right. They’re the ones I would poach. Decide everyone else when their contracts come up and let them be miserable there in the meantime.

Lower on the card, I’d consider Brian Pillman, Jr., Brock Anderson and Griff Garrison too. Private Party too. But that’s NXT level stuff.

[xrodmuc316]

Aside from MJF I would not sign any AEW original. Not because they are bad, but I don't think you can unteach the bad habits they have learned working for Tiny.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Some of them might want out bad enough that they’re willing to learn.

[Sepholio]

I'd take Wardlow for sure.

[Mr. Nerfect]

They will take Wardlow for sure. He will be a bigger deal in one night than he ever has in been in AEW.

[Sepholio]

....did the really name Woods/Nese team "Varsity Athletes"? Fuck that's terrible. Most generic team name ever.

[ron the dial]

Renee Paquette is All Elite

[Mr. Nerfect]

....did the really name Woods/Nese team "Varsity Athletes"? Fuck that's terrible. Most generic team name ever.

It’s probably just a passive aggressive jab at the Varsity Blonds to make them feel awful for still being employed there.

[rez]

Renee Paquette is All Elite

Goddamnit! You beat me to it

[Mr. Nerfect]

Renee Paquette is All Elite

“Sure, I’ll sign on for 5 years…if you pay my wife $800k a year to stand around with a microphone.”

What AEW needed was definitely more announcers.

[Sepholio]

It’s probably just a passive aggressive jab at the Varsity Blonds to make them feel awful for still being employed there.

Well that's exactly what it is storyline wise. But it's still absolutely terrible.

[Sepholio]

Over/under on Renee blading during interviews?

[Destor]

She's an asset. People like her and she knows how to get an angle across

[xrodmuc316]

Lets be real, she left WWE thinking she was going to get a Fox Sports job, but they did not jump at the chance to sign a mid 30's personality who anchored a show that got 100,000 viewers. Instead she takes a step back to work for a lesser wrestling company.

At least good for her getting some of Shad's Money too.

[rez]

An 11pm show talking about wrestling. Erin Andrews wouldn't have done any better. js

[rez]

Charissa Thompson on the other hand...... :drool:

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just saw it. He had the right to be frustrated with the interview. I've been as well with covering AEW of late which I talk about all the time so can't disagree. I'll talk more later. Not enough space here. <a href="https://t.co/EZwVub7Ypr">https://t.co/EZwVub7Ypr</a></p>&mdash; Dave Meltzer (@davemeltzerWON) <a href="https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/1580309120283860993?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 12, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

trouble in paradise?

[XL]

Who are they talking about?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Not enough forced praise for AEW these days.

[Sepholio]

Who are they talking about?

My understanding is TK did an interview with some guy who asked him a bunch of shit about Punk and The Elite that he knew TK wouldn't answer and then started whining when TK didn't answer lol. Meltzer all in his feels about it because he wants to know whats gonna happen to his buddies in The Elite because damnit, it's his right to know!

[XL]

Turns out it was Ariel Helwani. Note to self; when you’ve no idea what’s going on and can’t interpret Twitter, go to YouTube. Someone is bound to be talking about it.

[Sepholio]

Haha, I was just coming back to report that it was Ariel myself. I also learned that from youtube.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Helwani would be well within his rights to complain if his WWE interviews weren't PR puff pieces.

[Sepholio]

Seriously though, it seems like Ariel really lowered the bar for himself here. He's a legit, respectable journalist and he's coming off as a bitter cry baby. Saying anyone who thinks AEW is better than WWE is a liar, things like that. He knew TK wasn't going to answer those questions, and if he didn't know then he's about the only person who even remotely pays attention to wrestling who didn't. As much as I think TK sucks, Ariel comes off looking like a little bitch here in comparison.

[Sepholio]

Helwani would be well within his rights to complain if his WWE interviews weren't PR puff pieces.

Yeah. But there it is. He's a straight up Vincel. He was trying to make TK look bad by baiting him and ended up getting so butthurt at the results that he's now making himself look pathetic with his kneejerk knocks at AEW.

[Jordan]

Here we are boys and tranny boys. The day after Orange won the big AEW Mid-Atlantic Championship! YES! Finally after years and years Orange is now an AEW Champion! And of the prestigious Mid-Atlantic region! Way to go Orange!

[Sepholio]

If there was any illusion before that he was unbiased in terms of WWE/AEW then said illusion has been thoroughly dispelled.

[Sepholio]

Fuck OC I hope PAC murders him the way Dexter Loonies is gonna murder The Miz!

[slik]

over-saturating the market

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AEW flashed graphics during Dynamite last night announcing their return to Garland, TX (Curtis Culwell Center) on December 14th and San Antonio, TX (AT&amp;T Center) on December 21st. <br><br>The week before, on December 7th, they will be in Cedar Park, TX (presale for that starts today).</p>&mdash; WrestleTix (@WrestleTix) <a href="https://twitter.com/WrestleTix/status/1580551414715408384?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 13, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[ron the dial]

those spots are all HOURS away from each other so i dunno. running chicago and milwaukee, for instance, is way closer than running those cities and will draw different crowds. now if they run chicago in december somehow after running here for thanksgiving...

[ron the dial]

when was the last time they were in TX?

[drave]

The Return of Curtis - brought to you by AEW

[weather vane]

when was the last time they were in TX?

December I think.

[Mr. Nerfect]

AEW’s lack of transparency and backstage antics are a legitimate line of inquiry. I don’t really care if journalists are unbiased or not, but their reporting should try to be informative. That’s where Meltzer falls down. He distorts information to make AEW look good and WWE look bad.

Helwani pulling some real Chris Jericho shit with that line about people liking AEW more being liars though. They could just be stupid.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Honestly, they should have Billy Gunn challenge for the world title. Maybe just a one off match. Or they could actually give him the ROH belt. There’s absolutely no reason he shouldn’t get a title at this point tbh.

[Sepholio]

Wow. Adam Cole might be done. Apparently the labrum injury he was nursing when he last wrestled at Forbidden Door isn't what's keeping him out. He got a severe concussion during that match and has yet to recover from it and they don't know when or if he will recover at all.

[ron the dial]

there's a britt baker/christian joke in there, but i'll leave it to the master.

[xrodmuc316]

Wow. Adam Cole might be done. Apparently the labrum injury he was nursing when he last wrestled at Forbidden Door isn't what's keeping him out. He got a severe concussion during that match and has yet to recover from it and they don't know when or if he will recover at all.

Good thing Tiny was smart enough to only gave him a 7 year contract, now he will only have to keep paying Cole until 2028 BAY-BAY!

[Jordan]

I do not wish ill for Adam Cole at all, but I don't care for him as a pro wrestler. I'll just say that. He can have great matches yes but I just don't care for him.

[slik]

New group debuted at RAMPAGE tapings tonight...


Mike & Maria Bennett
Matt Taven

[Lock Jaw]

Good! AEW needed more groups and more rasslers!

[Sepholio]

Game changers. This is the move that will catapult AEW past WWE in the ratings!

[ron the dial]

New group debuted at RAMPAGE tapings tonight...


Mike & Maria Bennett
Matt Taven


jfc

[xrodmuc316]

New group debuted at RAMPAGE tapings tonight...


Mike & Maria Bennett
Matt Taven


I hope Tiny is mentally prepared for her to talk bad about him and AEW once she gets released :rofl:

[Mr. Nerfect]

Tony Khan cannot help himself. At this point, how are even the most shameless defenders of this company not eye-rolling at this?

[Jordan]

Tony Khan cannot help himself. At this point, how are even the most shameless defenders of this company not eye-rolling at this?

I don't think we really have any left :lol:

[Evil Vito]

I enjoy watching AEW more often than not. But that doesn't change the fact that Khan makes some unnecessarily head scratching decisions, and that signing would certainly be one of them.

[Evil Vito]

I assume that group is another one earmarked for ROH but it's taken so long for a TV deal to develop there, it just means AEW is even more cluttered. Dumb.

[Sepholio]

At this point I don't think RoH is happening. It will just be used for probably quarterly PPVs that will be so AEW centric that the RoH branding will become meaningless.

[screech]

Has there been any info at all on an ROH TV deal since TK bought the company?

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don't think we really have any left :lol:

Does #1-wwf-fan even post anymore? I haven’t noticed xrod destroying him lately, so that would correlate to it no longer being trendy to defend the show blindly. BigCrippyZ ran off ages ago, but even he had to chill out.

I’m sure they still exist on the wider internet, but AEW does seem to be losing a lot of the goodwill people afforded it. And good riddance honestly.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Has there been any info at all on an ROH TV deal since TK bought the company?

No. AEW’s shows have been struggling enough as it is without adding more content for it to compete with.

[xrodmuc316]

Does #1-wwf-fan even post anymore? I haven’t noticed xrod destroying him lately, so that would correlate to it no longer being trendy to defend the show blindly. BigCrippyZ ran off ages ago, but even he had to chill out.

I’m sure they still exist on the wider internet, but AEW does seem to be losing a lot of the goodwill people afforded it. And good riddance honestly.

He abandoned the AEW ship when his hero Phil did. Phil ending up being the giant douche failure I said he would be all along right from the start, proving me right and Fan wrong in perpetuity, you love to see it :rofl:

[Mr. Nerfect]

He abandoned the AEW ship when his hero Phil did. Phil ending up being the giant douche failure I said he would be all along right from the start, proving me right and Fan wrong in perpetuity, you love to see it :rofl:

He hitched his wagon to the losing team pretty early. And guys like that need approval of the room to feign confidence. He’s always stuck his finger in the wind to see which way it’s blowing before he tries to start a dog-pile. Typical.

He got exposed worse than Dave exposed his AEW sources.

[Mr. Nerfect]

By the way, I’m not sure Punk isn’t going to take half this company in the divorce proceedings lol.

[Sepholio]

On what grounds? lol

He spazzed at a presser with the boss over rumors.

He told The Elite to come see him. They came with the head of legal and talent relations with them and Punk/Steele decided to start a fight on the spot.

I get you don't like The Elite, but with the little that is known, Punk isn't the one looking to win a legal situation here. He has no ground to stand on, none. I'm willing to bet the whole legal situation is revolving around TK trying to find out if he has to pay this man out or if Punk fucked up enough that TK can void the contract for cause and send Punk away with nothing.

[Mr. Nerfect]

On what grounds? lol

He spazzed at a presser with the boss over rumors.

He told The Elite to come see him. They came with the head of legal and talent relations with them and Punk/Steele decided to start a fight on the spot.

I get you don't like The Elite, but with the little that is known, Punk isn't the one looking to win a legal situation here. He has no ground to stand on, none. I'm willing to bet the whole legal situation is revolving around TK trying to find out if he has to pay this man out or if Punk fucked up enough that TK can void the contract for cause and send Punk away with nothing.

We’ll see, lol.

[Destor]

I cant see how punk is the moral actor here. He's basically validated every critic he had in the WWF.

[Sepholio]

Dude if CM Punk tried to bring any kind of case to court against TK/AEW over this event, all they are going to have to do is play the tape of the press conference and put a couple of the witnesses on the stand to say Punk/Steele also started the physicality and a judge is going to throw that shit straight in the trash.

There is no confusion here. It is all either on tape or has multiple witnesses that are not favorable to Punks side. I would say there is a less than 0% chance of Punk walking away with "half the company" if it was even possible to have less than a 0% chance.

Also punks gripe about rumors to the dirtsheets being what set him off does him absolutely no favors because it's all hearsay and all it shows is that he will spaz out, become insubordinate and assault his bosses over rumors on the internet. He is lucky af he didn't get arrested; if a normal person here spazzed on their bosses and then bit them and threw chairs and shit they would immediately be terminated and arrested and would find it very hard to ever find decent employment ever again.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Dude if CM Punk tried to bring any kind of case to court against TK/AEW over this event, all they are going to have to do is play the tape of the press conference and put a couple of the witnesses on the stand to say Punk/Steele also started the physicality and a judge is going to throw that shit straight in the trash.

There is no confusion here. It is all either on tape or has multiple witnesses that are not favorable to Punks side. I would say there is a less than 0% chance of Punk walking away with "half the company" if it was even possible to have less than a 0% chance.

Also punks gripe about rumors to the dirtsheets being what set him off does him absolutely no favors because it's all hearsay and all it shows is that he will spaz out, become insubordinate and assault his bosses over rumors on the internet. He is lucky af he didn't get arrested; if a normal person here spazzed on their bosses and then bit them and threw chairs and shit they would immediately be terminated and arrested and would find it very hard to ever find decent employment ever again.

We will see.

[ron the dial]

lol

[Sepholio]

Maybe he'll take his half of the company and turn it into a new promotion with THE ROCK

[Mr. Nerfect]

Nah, the window has closed on that one.

[xrodmuc316]

The thing about Punk is he is a little bitch and everybody (but Fan) knows it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

He can’t fight. But he doesn’t seem to mind getting into them. Unless it’s on a reality show.

[Sting Fan]

Loved seeing OC win the other night, great to see him rewarded for this consistent love from the crowd and as he does a fair bit of indy work he can defend it outside AEW.

I am curious though who the first non AEW guy to win it will be, it has to happen at some point to really make the belt serve its true purpose.

The Garcia (re?) heel turn caught me off guard and I don't mind it at all as I didn't want him in the BCC.

The MJF tweener turn thing is unnecesary in my mind, let him be a prick people cheer if they want to. He doesn't need to be teasing hand shakes and such while his promo on Dynamite did frame it well I just don't see the need.

MJF has a monster face run in him but I don't think nows the time, let him win the title and be scum doing all he can to keep the belt while the pack chases him.

[Sting Fan]

At this point I don't think RoH is happening. It will just be used for probably quarterly PPVs that will be so AEW centric that the RoH branding will become meaningless.

its WWECW at this point. Either find it a TV deal or let it move on until such time as you do.

[#1-norm-fan]

The thing about Punk is he is a little bitch and everybody (but Fan) knows it.

Man, you really like trying to sneak in shit-talk in threads where you hope I won’t see it because I haven’t posted there recently. I GOT BUZZED THOUGH. So now to embarrass you…

As for a real fight, I'll concede. I'm not much of a fighter, more of a pacifist. Maybe it's why I don't throw personal insults around, I'm mostly trying to not get punched in the face.

#CMXrod

[#1-norm-fan]

Team CumDerp will never learn their lesson. The fantasy-world will not be shattered.

[Lock Jaw]

https://superdickery.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/fIvj8kt.jpg

[Sepholio]

WWE at least "threw around the idea" of trying to bring in Billy Gunn for the DX reunion.

According to Sean Ross Sapp of Fightful, If WWE did actually reach out to AEW is not known, Before Tony Khan has mentioned its not working out with WWE:

"I've had a number of interactions with them," Khan told Wrestling Inc.'s Nick Hausman during the "All Out" post-show media scrum. "I've said a lot of nice stuff, and I don't regret saying nice stuff because I'm super honest about pro wrestling. And when I saw good stuff happening there, I'll be the first to say it. But, yeah, I'm just not feeling the same love. I don't wanna get into it but, you know, I just haven't felt the same reciprocation that I have for them."

"It had been speculated that an unnamed current AEW wrestler had received an unsolicited inquiry to join WWE, with Chris Jericho seemingly indicating that he was also contacted in regard to re-joining his old promotion. These reported uninvited inquiries caused people to wonder if this was the reason why Khan had felt unfairly treated by WWE."

[Sepholio]

TK off in cocaine wonderland if he thinks he's been nice to WWE lmao

[xrodmuc316]

Spend 4 years having your entire roster FEDBAD as much as possible, wonder why WWE doesn't want to work with you. Fucking idiot Tiny thinks they are just meanies!

[Mr. Nerfect]

He also picked up talent who left WWE in a huff, which once upon a time would have been seen as bad form. He should have left Jeff Hardy and Toni Storm alone, or consulted them about hiring them.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don’t get the stuff with Chris Jericho’s contract allegedly being tampered with. He’s appeared on WWE television this year, along with Daniel Bryan and Big Show, for the John Cena thing. WWE would need to have open channels of communication with them to do that. If they’re allowed to approach these independent contractors about doing work with them in that context, I don’t see why it would be completely unreasonable for them to inquire about other contexts that talent can work under.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Someone obviously snitched to TK, but I think it’s more likely to be a no-mark like Swerve Strickland since it would make sense WWE would reach out to him about a Hit Row return.

[#1-norm-fan]

“Shit! He saw it! BURY! BURY!!!”

[Sepholio]

Someone obviously snitched to TK, but I think it’s more likely to be a no-mark like Swerve Strickland since it would make sense WWE would reach out to him about a Hit Row return.

Yeah every rumor about that I've seen about the snitch that actually dares to name names says Swerve is the one who went to TK crying about WWE contacting people. I wouldn't be surprised if they brought back Hit Row so fast just to fuck with Swerve for it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I give it a few months before Swerve desperately wants to go back. They might not hold it against him, but pretty bad form on the guy’s part.

[Sepholio]

The instant TK sends him to Dark catering and quits pushing him in exchange for Mike and Maria Kanellis.

[Mr. Nerfect]

He’s had his token title run. It won’t be long.

[Sepholio]

Seriously. Look at Keith Lee. Where has he been since they dropped the titles a month ago?

[xrodmuc316]

Seriously. Look at Keith Lee. Where has he been since they dropped the titles a month ago?

We all know how Tiny feels about Keith's ethnicity, he is a racist bastard.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Seriously. Look at Keith Lee. Where has he been since they dropped the titles a month ago?

He’s in catering because TK needs another death to exploit.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Remember when tag team wrestling was supposed to matter in AEW? They wouldn’t just put the belts on makeshift tag teams that don’t mean anything long-term, right?

[xrodmuc316]

Remember when tag team wrestling was supposed to matter in AEW? They wouldn’t just put the belts on makeshift tag teams that don’t mean anything long-term, right?

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[Mr. Nerfect]

Ah yes — no Tony Khan on TV.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Fuck it, I’ll go through them all:

* Sports-like presentation went out with their first match. They were always going to be TNA-lite with their Casino Battle Royale shit. Straight from the mind of Vince Russo. You had Glacier in a match for a World Title shot. In 2019. This was a lie and this direction is a big part of what turned Cody Rhodes away in my opinion. And this philosophy is what is causing the problems in AEW now with The Elite.

* Wins and losses matter was a jab at WWE. That’s all. You have to make them matter. AEW can’t make meaning because Tony Khan is not a booker who understands how the things he does have an effect. He’s all about the what. The win-loss records were always a bad idea. They box you in. Now, not only do wins and losses not matter, it doesn’t matter if you’re a champion or not.

* The tag teams were always an overblown and overrated element to AEW. Their division has always sucked. Quantity does not equate to quality. The booking has been terrible. It does not mean more to The Acclaimed or Keith Lee & Swerve Strickland than it does to be The Usos or The New Day. Just more anti-WWE rhetorical people were willing to go with for a while.

* Tony Khan knows that bloating his roster is a bad idea. He did interviews where he bragged about not making the same mistakes as WCW. Yet here we are. He cannot help himself. Never mind AEW has always been making mistakes WCW made and they were just not aware. This could be Dave Meltzer’s influence and a focus on the IWC talking points.

* Yeah, that was bullshit. The contracts are as fucked as WWE. You are Tony Khan’s toy. In some ways, it could be worse than WWE because of Tony’s involvement. He seems to be part of the bullying sometimes.

* When you prop up insecure fucks like Kenny Omega and The Young Bucks, you are going to get the issues that AEW has developed. This was an inevitability. They were always going to bully and sabotage the moment someone threatened the status quo they had established with themselves at the head. Punk was the guy who called them out, but this clash of philosophies has been going on since day one.

* Wrestling fans don’t even have to know who the fuck Tony Khan is, yet he’s all over everything. It was a downright lie that he was too humble and too aware to stay away. He is the very definition of a money mark.

[Fignuts]

They could easily fix the tag division by having Butcher and Blade murder everyone.

[Sepholio]

They could easily fix the tag division by having Butcher and Blade murder everyone.

No lies detected.

[Sepholio]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

Blade isn’t very good and shouldn’t be anywhere near Butcher.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Just push Butcher and Nick Comoroto as the tag team.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Keep The Bunny and make her the manager of Swerve Strickland and Trent Beretta.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Tony Khan has signed Chris Jericho through 2025 and has made him a producer, creative advisor and mentor to young talent. :lol:

[xrodmuc316]

4 title matches tonight. Tony REALLY doesn't want to lose to NXT again. Never forget NXT won the last head to head matchup and Tony has spent about $100 million of his daddy's money since :rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Sepholio]

Feel like all the title matches they constantly do waters down the meaning of the titles. They're becoming "just another match". And having a ton of title matches means you don't really have much time for anyone other than champs and whoever they are feuding with. How do you build people with that?

Wouldn't be surprised if some day TK has created enough titles that everyone in the company has gold. They'll probably act like it's some kind of in joke and/or long term storytelling.

[Sepholio]

Smart move for Jericho to sign for another 3+ years. He's getting up there. Probably keen to sit back and collect the fat stacks at home in a couple years when the company tanks and their library gets sold to Trips. Once that time is up, he will be well rested and ready to go do a retirement match in WWE at Mania 43 or 44.

[Evil Vito]

For like a year the anti-AEW talked like Moxley and Jericho were gonna abandon the sinking ship and come crawling back to WWE.

Now they've both re-upped and the goalposts have moved to "lol AEW had to find a way to keep Moxley and Jericho because they didn't make any new stars"

Sad.

[xrodmuc316]

For like a year the anti-AEW talked like Moxley and Jericho were gonna abandon the sinking ship and come crawling back to WWE.

Now they've both re-upped and the goalposts have moved to "lol AEW had to find a way to keep Moxley and Jericho because they didn't make any new stars"

Sad.

Anybody who believed that never listened to a single thing Mox or Jericho said the last 4 years. They are in perpetual FEDBAD mode.

[XL]

Tony Khan has signed Chris Jericho through 2025 and has made him a producer, creative advisor and mentor to young talent. :lol:

Game. Changer.

[XL]

4 title matches tonight. Tony REALLY doesn't want to lose to NXT again. Never forget NXT won the last head to head matchup and Tony has spent about $100 million of his daddy's money since :rofl::rofl::rofl:

WWE used Raw to lead into NXT. Let’s not pretend that both want to come out of this looking good. I dare say WWE’s tactic might be better though. Wasn’t there 3 title matches on last week’s Rampage, and 4 on Dynamite? At this point it’s not a way to load up the show, it’s BAU.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Tony Khan can’t help but put people in spots they shouldn’t be in.

[Evil Vito]

Per the Observer, Ace Steel has officially been released.

Commentary specifically namedropped The Elite as the team that vacated the Trios titles, and CM Punk was briefly shown on an ROH champions montage before the title match. This is the first time either party has been directly said or shown onscreen since the incident so it would seen things might be just about wrapped up.

I'm guessing there's a good chance The Elite are back by Full Gear. I still don't think Punk will return, but he's hurt for months anyway so he'll likely remain on the books through his injury rehab and then either cooler heads will prevail or he'll get packaged out.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

If Punk comes back he should beat up and bloody Tony Khan and start a storyline of trying to take over the company. Then get jobbed out to Hangman at the end of it.

[Sepholio]

^^^^This, but job him to Fuego del Sol.

[XL]

CM Punk revealed as the Higher Power of The Elite.

“It’s me Tony! It’s me Tony! It was me all along Tony!”

[Mr. Nerfect]

I’m glad Ace Steel got the fuck out.

[xrodmuc316]

If Punk comes back he should beat up and bloody Tony Khan and start a storyline of trying to take over the company. Then get jobbed out to Hangman at the end of it.

It has to be at least somewhat believable. There is 0 chance Punk could beat up somebody THAT high on Cocaine.

[xrodmuc316]

https://i.imgflip.com/6xj4to.jpg

[Mr. Nerfect]

How is it not going to be the same shit? The guy is still trading in his Shield over. His AEW peak was his debut.

[ron the dial]

y'all are still the cutest couple at tpww :heart:

[Mr. JL]

One must wonder if Tony Khan is just going to have Ace Steele take the fall for the brawl and call the rest a wash.

That Ace Steele threw the chair and everything afterwards was reactionary...

AKA, I cannot make money off of Ace but I can make money off all the rest so... he did it!

[xrodmuc316]

One must wonder if Tony Khan is just going to have Ace Steele take the fall for the brawl and call the rest a wash.

That Ace Steele threw the chair and everything afterwards was reactionary...

AKA, I cannot make money off of Ace but I can make money off all the rest so... he did it!

That's a BIG assumption that Tiny can make money off of anybody other than Shad Khan :lol:

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don’t think Punk would go for it being pinned on his buddy. Steel probably got paid out and was willing to go.

[Sepholio]

If I recall, weren't there multiple reports that said if Ace goes that Punk was gonna walk with him?

[screech]

One must wonder if Tony Khan is just going to have Ace Steele take the fall for the brawl and call the rest a wash.

That Ace Steele threw the chair and everything afterwards was reactionary...

AKA, I cannot make money off of Ace but I can make money off all the rest so... he did it!

I'd buy this lol

[Destor]

Given the reports, and assuming they are the full story (which we shouldn't tbf seeing as they were likely leaked by the opposition,) Ace is objectively the instigator. He, again just using the reports we have, escalated it from taunting to physicality. Now, what Punk is accused of saying could be called menacing or terroristic threatening but Ace exacerbated the situation.

With that said, to be clear, the reports are likely heavily skewed to favor one party over the other. But given what the public knows from a PR perspective if you were looking to clean up the mess in a way that would calm the proverbial storm crucifying Steele would probably do it.

[#1-norm-fan]

I don’t wanna sound like one of them snowflakes but if Ace Steel tried to eat a dude, firing him makes sense.

[Evil Vito]

If I recall, weren't there multiple reports that said if Ace goes that Punk was gonna walk with him?

It's possible this is still the case, but Punk was gonna be on the shelf anyway. Makes little sense for him to quit until he's done with his rehab as AEW gives benefits to most of their full-time contracted talent.

He had a torn tricep which generally carries around a 6-9 month rehab from surgery. Figure he got surgery in September so that's him out until anywhere from March through June or so. I'd assume he officially remains with the company that whole time.

[Sepholio]

There was no way Ace wasn't getting axed.

[Sepholio]

It's possible this is still the case, but Punk was gonna be on the shelf anyway. Makes little sense for him to quit until he's done with his rehab as AEW gives benefits to most of their full-time contracted talent.

He had a torn tricep which generally carries around a 6-9 month rehab from surgery. Figure he got surgery in September so that's him out until anywhere from March through June or so. I'd assume he officially remains with the company that whole time.

Yeah this definitely makes sense. He will stay through the rehab for the benefits for sure, and AEW isn't going to fire him over that time because of the bad PR of cutting a dude off his benefits while hes rehabbing an injury he got working for them.

[Evil Vito]

Punk is a notoriously stubborn guy, so I'd assume his mind is already made up to leave once he's healed. But you never know. March-June is still a long ways out. The hopeless optimist in me would really like to think that at some point, cooler heads will prevail and everyone can sit down with a mediator, talk things out like adults, and realize that there's actually a very easy path for everyone to make some money if they're willing to do business.

Regardless of your thoughts on either guy, there is easy money to be made in Omega vs. Punk. But I doubt it'll ever come to fruition.

[Destor]

I could book a punk omega angle by accident at this point

[Sepholio]

I don't think they can do Punk v Omega. Punk has proven to be unstable/uncontrollable at this point. You can't trust him to do the job here. If I was trying to book that, I would be worried Punk would go into business for himself and try to work super stiff and no sell everything to make Kenny look bad because his overinflated ego demands it of him.

[Sepholio]

Destor isn't wrong saying he could easily book it. Anyone could really. It's just an issue of do you trust the guys to stick to the plan? I don't.

[Sepholio]

I don't trust Kenny to work that either. I think he would try to showboat the whole time and expose Punk for the over-the-hill botch fest that he is at this point.

[Evil Vito]

Not the same scale since it was a midcard feud but I remember WWE was hesitant on if they could actually turn Edge vs. Matt into an angle because they obviously had very real heat. But everyone sat down and realized it was an easy way to get heat and for everyone to make money.

Edge even admitted that Matt would've had as good an excuse as anyone to take liberties but he didn't, they worked snug but safe and everyone got to be involved in what was, at the time, probably the hottest angle in the company.

Shame not everyone can handle that mindset.

[Sepholio]

Yeah, thats the thing. Edge and Matt let cooler heads prevail for the good of all parties. Punk has shown time and again that you can not expect that from him. It's either his way or fuck you.

[Destor]

I don't think they can do Punk v Omega. Punk has proven to be unstable/uncontrollable at this point. You can't trust him to do the job here. If I was trying to book that, I would be worried Punk would go into business for himself and try to work super stiff and no sell everything to make Kenny look bad because his overinflated ego demands it of him.
I would pay good money to watch punk try and go into business for himself :lol:

[Sepholio]

Not gonna disagree there lol

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

At this point if punk tried to shoot he’d just tear another muscle.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don't think they can do Punk v Omega. Punk has proven to be unstable/uncontrollable at this point. You can't trust him to do the job here. If I was trying to book that, I would be worried Punk would go into business for himself and try to work super stiff and no sell everything to make Kenny look bad because his overinflated ego demands it of him.

Punk, the loose cannon — stiffing people the world over. Definitely fits his rep in wrestling. Lol, wtf?

[Mr. Nerfect]

At this point if punk tried to shoot he’d just tear another muscle.

Which one?

[Mr. Nerfect]

I just can’t stand that overindulgent, selfish, egotistical, delicate politician constantly going into business for himself. And I don’t like CM Punk either.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The problem with a CM Punk vs. Kenny Omega feud is that Punk lacks credibility outside wrestling and Omega lacks it inside.

[Destor]

People will always stop to watch a fight. Even if the two guys cant fight. You walk down the street and see 2 hobos fighting over week old bread you're going to stop and watch. Put it behind a pay wall and we've got Bum Fights LLC.

[Destor]

And with this you have the added bonus of people wanting to their guy win AND wanting to the other get his face smashed in. Their Schrodinger's Worker. Baby and Heel at the same time.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Sissy Boy Slapfight x Bum Fights presents…

[McLegend]

I think the whole Matt Hardy, Edge, and Lita was a work. It was a work to get Edge over, and it worked.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I don’t think Punk comes back because he’s too self centered to take any blame for everything that happened. And he’s not going to want to do business with the Bucks or Omega.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think the whole Matt Hardy, Edge, and Lita was a work. It was a work to get Edge over, and it worked.

Nah, because they buried the shit out of Matt Hardy. And rightfully so in retrospect.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I really try imagine what it would be like being a wrestler working for AEW. The money Tony Khan throws around is insane. It’s like winning the lottery. But I would feel like I would be compromising so much creativity and integrity. It’s the worst thing for wrestling overall.

If you didn’t give a shit about other people, I guess it’s a no-brainer to want to be there. But I would like to think I’m someone that would tell Tony to shove the money. Donate it to charity or something.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Apparently Athena had her Perry Saturn moment with her Mike Bell in AEW.

[McLegend]

Nah, because they buried the shit out of Matt Hardy. And rightfully so in retrospect.

This actually helps my theory.

[Fignuts]

Apparently Athena had her Perry Saturn moment with her Mike Bell in AEW.

Just watched. Definitely some stiff shots, but she didn't drop her on her head or break anything on her face. Still looked relatively safe outside of the suplex to the outside, though i'd guess that was planned given the nature of the move.

My reaction wasn't " oh my god, she should be suspended."

It was "omg give me more of this Athena, please"

[Mr. Nerfect]

This actually helps my theory.

No one would agree to being emasculated so bad, faking so much turmoil with their personal life, etc.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Just watched. Definitely some stiff shots, but she didn't drop her on her head or break anything on her face. Still looked relatively safe outside of the suplex to the outside, though i'd guess that was planned given the nature of the move.

My reaction wasn't " oh my god, she should be suspended."

It was "omg give me more of this Athena, please"

The suplex to the outside and the dropkick into the rail looked like there was 0 control. Not a fan.

[Evil Vito]

Just watched. Definitely some stiff shots, but she didn't drop her on her head or break anything on her face. Still looked relatively safe outside of the suplex to the outside, though i'd guess that was planned given the nature of the move.

My reaction wasn't " oh my god, she should be suspended."

It was "omg give me more of this Athena, please"

Yeah anyone moaning about this match would be clenching their asshole watching STARDOM.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AEW is in talks with CM Punk about the future but it looks doubtful he will be back. <br><br>Those with close knowledge of the situation said they are in talks with Punk about a buy-out of the remaining years of his contract<br><br>- WON <a href="https://t.co/QtV02gLhPk">pic.twitter.com/QtV02gLhPk</a></p>&mdash; WrestlePurists (@WrestlePurists) <a href="https://twitter.com/WrestlePurists/status/1583407097210757120?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 21, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Vastardikai]

Source is Meltzer, so I don't buy it.

[Fignuts]

She did come in pretty hot off that dropkick, but they know their body's limitations and Threat seems to be fine, so I'm assuming it looked a lot worse than it felt.

[Sepholio]

lol apparently the hold up is that Punk wants to make sure theres not a non compete clause because he wants to go back to WWE.

LMFAO

[Evil Vito]

Triple H and Punk most definitely don't like each other and would probably still butt heads creatively, so I'm sure that would go well.

If both sides have motivation to "stick it" to AEW I could maybe see a one-off Mania match or something but I can't imagine that relationship wouldn't deteriorate quickly if he were in the locker room full time.

[Evil Vito]

Punk's been on record that his surgery and recovery from his foot injury earlier this year was brutal and the most miserable physical experience of his life. Kinda wonder if immediately getting a major injury in his first match back would be a point where he says "fuck it" as far as in-ring competition is concerned. Maybe he's happy with his final match being winning a world title in Chicago.

If he's content never wrestling again, it wouldn't be a bad idea to just take a Legends deal and get free money from the HOF induction, merch, and video game royalties that would result.

[Destor]

I wonder if he's aware that despite all his bitching his best run was in the company that "held him back"

[Fignuts]

Didn't they turn him down the last time?

[Evil Vito]

Didn't they turn him down the last time?

The story was that FOX wanted Punk on their WWE Backstage show. Punk didn't want to actually work for WWE and, notably, WWE didn't want to work with Punk again either. So it was strictly a FOX deal with Punk and Punk had no involvement at all with anyone from WWE that wasn't on that show.

Vince being gone would normally change things but Punk and Hunter didn't have a good relationship either by all accounts.

[Evil Vito]

Hope Hunter brings Punk in for a surprise WM match and then tells him day of the show he's jobbing to an also returning Kevin Nash.

[Sepholio]

WWE should never give Punk a single cent. For anything. He deserves no legends contract, no new royalties, no new merch money. Hiring him just to spite AEW would be the dumbest decision anyone in WWE has made in YEARS in terms of the business side of things.

Hell, considering just how much drama and BS has surrounded Punk pretty much everywhere he goes, I think WWE should snub his ass for the HoF too just to watch him be petty and make even more of a fool out of himself.

[Sepholio]

Hope Hunter brings Punk in for a surprise WM match and then tells him day of the show he's jobbing to an also returning Kevin Nash.

Ok I take it back this scenario is acceptable.

[Sepholio]

Actually, they should tell him he's going over Nash only for HHH to run out in a refs shirt and pull off a new screw job on him. Do it in Chicago too.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah anyone moaning about this match would be clenching their asshole watching STARDOM.

Okay, so that promotion is garbage.

Source is Meltzer, so I don't buy it.

Likewise.

I wonder if he's aware that despite all his bitching his best run was in the company that "held him back"

This is true. He got plenty of opportunities there. He could have been treated far worse. He was enamoured with his own ideas, and not all of them were good ones.

Didn't they turn him down the last time?

Yeah, AEW fucked up the early negotiations (probably on purpose) and Punk wanted to go to WWE to stick it back to them. Vince knows how much he gave Punk last time and how little he appreciated it. They didn’t need him and he doesn’t move the needle that much. If you’re going to bring in CM Punk it’s to be a main eventer. Which main eventer would you bump? It doesn’t make sense.

That being said, I hope WWE does bring him back now and shows AEW how it’s done. I hope the truth about AEW and The Elite comes out. I’d love to see the venom fly. I think Punk having a run as a salty veteran in NXT could be a lot of fun.

AEW are also backing away from Thunder Rosa. They have their cult and if they are going to stick to serving them Kool-Aid, they deserve what they get. There is no interest in making the product better or treating people correctly. It’s about stroking certain egos. Fuck AEW and I personally hope Punk takes them for all they’re worth. I just hope a bunch of other talented people can get out if they want too.

[xrodmuc316]

The story was that FOX wanted Punk on their WWE Backstage show. Punk didn't want to actually work for WWE and, notably, WWE didn't want to work with Punk again either. So it was strictly a FOX deal with Punk and Punk had no involvement at all with anyone from WWE that wasn't on that show.

Vince being gone would normally change things but Punk and Hunter didn't have a good relationship either by all accounts.

You are leaving out the part where Fox would pay his salary as long as he was exclusive to Smackdown, and WWE still said no thanks.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Belts aren’t everything, but WWE made him a World Champion 5 times. He was put in that spot since 2008. It’d be like Sheamus complaining he never received a push there. How do you tell your active roster that they are going to get less TV time now that you’re bringing that guy back?

[screech]

Hope Hunter brings Punk in for a surprise WM match and then tells him day of the show he's jobbing to an also returning Kevin Nash.

lmao this would be tremendous

[xrodmuc316]

Only way WWE would sign Punk would be to make him do the J.O.B. to real wrestling stars like Otis and The Gold Standard Shelton Benjamin.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I could see him being part of Shelton and R-Truth’s thing, honestly. Salty Veterans Union.

Punk is pretty talented. He can talk, he can make people care, his matches are put together wisely (minus stupid flippy clotheslines). He wouldn’t be bad for content. I’d mark out for him coming through the crowd and giving Bron Breakker a GTS. And I’m not the biggest Punk fan. He can coach and commentate too. He’s a much better value add than any of The Elite, who suck all-round.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol, Dave’s trying to put himself front and center in the Brawl Out story. He’s also saying Ace Steel’s wife was not spoken to as part of the investigation, so that tells you all you need to know about how bullshit all that is.

[xrodmuc316]

Every Punk promo in WWE would be the same old shit, except DUBBAD instead of FEDBAD.

[Mr. Nerfect]

What if Punk came out and hugged Triple H and announced he learnt from his reckless youth. He is here to help secure a safe and viable future for WWE and its Superstars. :eek:

[Mr. Nerfect]

Mr. Brooks. That isn’t taken, is it?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Would love to see Punk involved in Austin Theory and Bron Breakker’s business in NXT. Throw Paul Heyman into the mix. Pay him even more money and have him be the guy guiding the career of Theory in order to protect Reigns from him and vice versa. That is until Punk comes along.

[xrodmuc316]

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[xrodmuc316]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

I’m not sure Tony Khan has ever earned a position on merit in his life. He’s had bought positions of authority and he seems to fall short in every single one.

[Sepholio]

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lol holy shit.

Virgil had a better turn out than that.

[XL]

Every Punk promo in WWE would be the same old shit, except DUBBAD instead of FEDBAD.

Man how conflicted would that leave you? :p

[Jordan]

If you think Triple H is going hire CM Punk after all he's said about WWE, Triple H and his family, I think you have the wrong impression of Triple H.

[Destor]

There's no money in punk. The audience who would get into has already seen the big return angle with hin

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Punk is a forever malcontent and I have a very tough time seeing him go back to WWE where his leash to run his mouth because he’s mad is going to be much much shorter. He’s also not going to be the guy there like was supposed to be in AEW. In no way if he’s getting elevated over Roman. No chance.

[Splaya]

There's no money in punk. The audience who would get into has already seen the big return angle with hin

Exactly. There is no reason to bring him back. He's never getting a return pop like the one he got for the debut at Rampage. Never. Doesn't matter what city he would have a future debut in.

There is an aura of his return for AEW that I never want to go away. That's the last "debut" as a CM Punk fan that I want.

[xrodmuc316]

Man how conflicted would that leave you? :p

I would have the exact same problem with it.

Why can't he get through a promo without having to talk about his former employer?

If I want to hear about AEW ill watch AEW, keep it off WWE.

He still got absolutely embarrassed in real fights, he does not have the credibility for it to be believable that he can win fights.

He has also shown he will botch and get injured.

He is still an absolute bitter turd of a person.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think there is money in Punk. He’s not going to massively spike anything outside an initial appearance, and that has always been the case, but there are things left for him to do. The quality of things he is involved with can help others get better too.

Compare that to The Elite, who aren’t money and don’t help out anyone. You’re going to get more out of talent CM Punk grooms. That being said, I want Punk out of AEW because it’s a waste.

[Destor]

Punk did always strike me as a groomer

[Destor]

;)

[Mr. Nerfect]

Punk did always strike me as a groomer

I left that there on purpose. I hope you enjoyed.

[Mr. Nerfect]

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And they were all paid too.

[xrodmuc316]

Punk has literally never made anybody better. His genius advice to Kevin Owens was don't wear a t-shirt. Then Owens went and Main Evented Wrestlemania with Steve Austin, with both guys wearing T-Shirts... GOOD CALL PHIL!