All Elite Wrestling

[Damian Rey 2.0]

If AEW isn’t successful and WBD doesn’t think it’s doing well why the fuck would they give them 2 more hours of TV time to produce a new show? That doesn’t make sense.

[The Rogerer]

I came back to TPWW after several years to make up some numbers. Eee hee hee what fun it has been.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

If AEW isn’t successful and WBD doesn’t think it’s doing well why the fuck would they give them 2 more hours of TV time to produce a new show? That doesn’t make sense.

Basically this.

[The Rogerer]

Now whoa whoa whoa hold on there, we cannot possibly say that

[Sepholio]

Source: Dude, trust me.

[Mr. Nerfect]

What level of ratings were they commissioned to hit, exactly? Because it sounds like you're making stuff up here.

He is.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Basically this.

Cheap-ass programming. Drive people to streaming by letting cable die. Proof to WWE they’ve got the time available. Dilute the product so it’s easier to dump. There’s several reasons they might do it. I wouldn’t bet that any of them is the case, but none are outside the realm of possibility.

[xrodmuc316]

He said that you son of a bitch

Who is He?

[xrodmuc316]

If AEW isn’t successful and WBD doesn’t think it’s doing well why the fuck would they give them 2 more hours of TV time to produce a new show? That doesn’t make sense.

That is almost the right point. WBD would give AEW more hours because it is a cost effective beneficial relationship for WBD. That is the sole aspect that is failing to be understood. Giving AEW another TV show so WBD can make more money off AEW is the smart business decision. Giving them a 400% raise when the shows they are already airing have been drawing less viewers would be a idiotic business decision.

WBD is not bending over backwards to give AEW a single cent more than they have to, no matter what. WBD cares if WBD is successful, that's it. They are giving AEW another show because it is a successful for WBD's bottom line. WBD does not accomplish that by giving AEW some landmark deal just because the IWC thinks AEW deserves it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

500k was a made-up number from Meltzer to low-ball the audience so anything they did over that looked like a miracle. Now you’ve got muppets like Rogerer using that and even smaller numbers as smokescreens.

Dave’s reasoning behind pulling this number out of his ass was “he spoke to someone at Warner” and you could add the 500k on television to B/R Live subscribers and get a bigger number. He was lying.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

What are you talking about XRod? I'm not parsing through this entire ridiculous argument. Being good for WBD's bottom line means AEW is--to some degree--successful.

[Mr. Nerfect]

That is almost the right point. WBD would give AEW more hours because it is a cost effective beneficial relationship for WBD. That is the sole aspect that is failing to be understood. Giving AEW another TV show so WBD can make more money off AEW is the smart business decision. Giving them a 400% raise when the shows they are already airing have been drawing less viewers would be a idiotic business decision.

WBD is not bending over backwards to give AEW a single cent more than they have to, no matter what. WBD cares if WBD is successful, that's it. They are giving AEW another show because it is a successful for WBD's bottom line. WBD does not accomplish that by giving AEW some landmark deal just because the IWC thinks AEW deserves it.

A blowjob from a hooker isn’t love.

[Mr. Nerfect]

What are you talking about XRod? I'm not parsing through this entire ridiculous argument. Being good for WBD's bottom line means AEW is--to some degree--successful.

Sure. And this might seem like hair-splitting, but I’d say that speaks more to the success of WBD more than AEW. We don’t even know if their new deal (assuming they get one) is going to put them in the green or not when you factor in talent costs, production, etc.

Dynamite would logically bring in >$90 million for both WBD and AEW. If the Alvarez deal is correct (he’s lying), then $100 million per year over 3 years is an absolute dogshit deal. They’d be better off with their current setup.

Between Dynamite, Collision and Rampage, anything less than $200 million would have to be seen as them taking the heavy dick, surely?

[Evil Vito]

I liked MJF and Sammy pretending to be friends but aside from that, this Pillars Four Way match just doesn’t interest me a whole lot.

Problem is it just badly exposed how much further ahead MJF is of the other three. And then Darby himself is probably leagues above the other two in terms of the crowd caring about him despite his inability to talk.

If they insisted on a four way I’m imagining JB and Sammy being subbed out for Eddie Kingston and Ricky Starks. The promos between those two and MJF would be so good. And then Darby would just be there to throw himself at everyone.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It would be absolutely hilarious if AEW gets less money to produce more television. I’m sure Meltzer will report it as an amazing deal though.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I liked MJF and Sammy pretending to be friends but aside from that, this Pillars Four Way match just doesn’t interest me a whole lot.

Problem is it just badly exposed how much further ahead MJF is of the other three. And then Darby himself is probably leagues above the other two in terms of the crowd caring about him despite his inability to talk.

If they insisted on a four way I’m imagining JB and Sammy being subbed out for Eddie Kingston and Ricky Starks. The promos between those two and MJF would be so good. And then Darby would just be there to throw himself at everyone.

Sammy Guevara and Jungle Boy suck. But they send pictures of their girlfriends to Tony so they obviously need a main event push.

[Mr. Nerfect]

And since I know people get confused:

* There are popular things that are good.

* There are popular things that suck.

* There are unpopular things that are good.

* There are unpopular things that suck.

AEW is in that last category. It sucks and it is unpopular. That is when you can draw that correlating link. “Hey, maybe people don’t watch this because it sucks?”

[xrodmuc316]

What are you talking about XRod? I'm not parsing through this entire ridiculous argument. Being good for WBD's bottom line means AEW is--to some degree--successful.

Just for a hypothetical point, lets say WBD makes $100 million a year off AEW programming, and they pay AEW $45 million of that. That is a great deal for WBD because they are profiting $55 million. In what world would WBD say lets give AEW $200 million, and instead of making $55 million a year, lets lose $100 million instead?

That would make AEW much more successful, but why would WBD care? Their job is to make money for WBD, not AEW.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Bryan Danielson is said to be helping out with AEW creative. I’d say this is a step in the right direction, but I don’t think it will make much of a difference. The whole product has got stank on it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

If WBD currently makes way more than $90 million off Dynamite and in the next round they get to take that ad revenue back, how much that factors into the deal will show the leverage AEW has.

$100 million for Dynamite, Collision and Rampage when they would currently get at least that much for Dynamite would just be ludicrous. If that ends up being the deal, it shows they had nowhere else to go.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

AEW must be doing well enough to be successful since they’ve been given 3 extra hours of TV after their initial 2019 TV debut. To say anything other than that would just be arguing for the sake of being an idiot.

WBD wouldn’t invest in something if it wasn’t successful and worth the investment. Because that would be stupid.

As far as the ppv goes, this would’ve been a great time to bring Kingston back to AEW TV and give him a main event run against MJF. Pretty obvious Cole is the next babyface in line to get a shot. If they wanted to do a pillars match, Darby by himself would’ve been fine given the history of the 2. Sammy and JB are far below those 2 and shouldn’t be sniffing a main event program.

[screech]

Pretty obvious Cole is the next babyface in line to get a shot.

This makes sense but ugh. I like Adam Cole but he just doesn't scream "main event" to me.

[screech]

(also I agree with the other stuff you said but don't want to get into that argument lol)

[Mr. Nerfect]

It’s fucking insane that CM Punk would consider going back to work there after the latest attempts to not only fuck with him, but to fuck with the entire Collision concept (and everybody associated with it) by nerfing their star power. And Tony Khan just lets it all happen.

[Sting Fan]

This makes sense but ugh. I like Adam Cole but he just doesn't scream "main event" to me.

It screams filler feud sadly.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The funny thing is, if Adam Cole had been smart enough to take the “manager” role in WWE, he’d probably be a big thing now. We’d be focused on his strengths. Now we all see his weaknesses.

[xrodmuc316]

WBD wouldn’t invest in something if it wasn’t successful and worth the investment. Because that would be stupid.


That is literally what I have been saying, WBD wouldn't put AEW on tv if it was not worth the investment to them.

It is also why I have been saying the IWC's projections are way out of wack. Giving AEW a 400% increase would not be worth the investment. The fact that WBD wants to expand the relationship is because WBD is getting favorable terms. WBD doesn't care what AEW's P&L Report looks like, they are not just going to overpay for AEW because AEW diehards want it to be true.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Cole definitely a feeder feud. At this point I’m not sure who the guy to dethrone MJF is gonna be.

[Lock Jaw]

Just put all the titles on Christian

[Vastardikai]

Cole definitely a feeder feud. At this point I’m not sure who the guy to dethrone MJF is gonna be.

Probably Orange Cassidy.

[screech]

Just put all the titles on Christian

Lock Jaw gets it

[Fignuts]

Gets what? Chlamydia?

[Lock Jaw]

Lock Jaw gets it

Gets what?

https://media.tenor.com/XG7egdp_KnIAAAAC/chris-jericho-wwe.gif

[Fignuts]

Oh, ok.

So gonorrhea then.

[Lock Jaw]

https://68.media.tumblr.com/09a6b930d188d946d1368357d962818b/tumblr_oto92e8YgQ1u1ljrzo1_540.gif

[Mr. Nerfect]

That is literally what I have been saying, WBD wouldn't put AEW on tv if it was not worth the investment to them.

It is also why I have been saying the IWC's projections are way out of wack. Giving AEW a 400% increase would not be worth the investment. The fact that WBD wants to expand the relationship is because WBD is getting favorable terms. WBD doesn't care what AEW's P&L Report looks like, they are not just going to overpay for AEW because AEW diehards want it to be true.

We’re two of the more honest people about AEW here, but I don’t think either of us has made the point that AEW is not financially convenient television for WBD.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I can’t think of a single AEW championship that wouldn’t be improved by Christian holding it.

[xrodmuc316]

We’re two of the more honest people about AEW here, but I don’t think either of us has made the point that AEW is not financially convenient television for WBD.

That has been my position the entire time. WBD is cutting costs across the board, they are not going to give AEW a 400% increase because it is some magical proof that can be used by AEW fans to argue how great AEW is.

WBD will give AEW just as much as they have to. They know Tiny is going to fund it regardless, so what would they gain? Anything they pay AEW over what they are paying AEW now will decrease the profit for WBD.

None of the defenders have answered WHY would WBD want to go from making money to losing money on AEW?

And no, I do not know the exact financials, but I am fairly comfortable in saying WBD is NOT making over $200 million a year on AEW now with 800,000 viewers.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Seems like a pretty silly move to try and shop around ROH earlier this year and tip your hand that there really aren’t that many suitors for wrestling.

That was the thing that changed everything for me. WBD could potentially leverage a deal with AEW where they pay them less than they do now. It would be brutal, but it’s within the realm of possibility. Where else is AEW going to go? AXS?

The Alvarez deal is LolAEW if true, but is likely Alvarez lying to make AEW look better when they essentially get what you would expect them to (about double what Alvarez is suggesting).

[Mr. Nerfect]

My prediction: $250 million per year for 4 years. That way they can announce it as a $1 billion deal for optics. That includes Dynamite, Rampage, Collision and any auxiliary programming TNT or TBS might require should the NBA go on strike or something.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Tickets have stalled for Wembley. Dave is reporting 62k paid. Obviously their biggest gate ever, but you’d hope so given it’s in a bloody stadium lol.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Predictions for All In card:

* MJF vs. Adam Page for the AEW World Title

* Kenny Omega vs. Will Ospreay for the IWGP US Title

* Chris Jericho & Sammy Guevara vs. Sting & Darby Allin

* Britt Baker vs. Jamie Hayter

* CM Punk does not wrestle on the show, but does appear to give Page a GTS at the end of it as the previously announced All Out challenger in Chicago. Punk will act like he’s not going to be at the show and like he doesn’t give a crap about the UK or headlining a stadium, but will show up as a surprise.

[rez]

I nominate xrod to make the first ever AEW Saturday Night Collision thread next month.

[xrodmuc316]

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[Evil Vito]

Video game officially confirmed for June 29th release.

[weather vane]

SICKKKKKK

[Vastardikai]

Wheeler Yuta is Claudio's partner? What, is Chris Hero not available? (Seriously, KoW vs Lucha Brothers would be sick.)

[Evil Vito]

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Gotta say, it doesn't feel like the greatest sign that they finally have a release date after all this time and it's just Kenny talking over a few generic clips with no signs of new features, new wrestlers, or really anything. It borderline felt somber. Like "ok we're finally forcing this game out the door, here you go"

That said the achievement list leaked already and they have 6 weeks to hype the game properly.

[Lock Jaw]

Feel like they don't need to hype it.

There's gonna be three camps irregardless.

The AEW die-hards who will go out and buy it no matter what.

The indifferent, who will wait for gameplay reviews and then decide based on that. No amount of marketing will get them to buy, only reviews from trusted sources.

Then the opposite WWE die-hards (or just anti-AEW die-hards) who will refuse to buy the game ever, even if it gets good reviews.

[Evil Vito]

AEW have booked Daily's Place as a backup plan for Collision's debut, which would seem to point to the rumors that AEW and Punk might've had a late disagreement holding the deal up.

The venue will be announced Wednesday so basically, United Center means AEW and Punk have sorted their shit out, Daily's Place means they haven't.

[Evil Vito]

Punk has the opportunity here to royally fuck over AEW if he wants to. Just tell them he agrees to return, leading to them going forward with the United Center, and then no-show.

I don't think he'd do that though. Even if he was petty enough to fuck over AEW, I don't think he'd want to fuck over thousands of ticket-paying Chicagoans and basically turn himself permanent heel on his own hometown crowd.

[xrodmuc316]

Its almost like continually relying on an injury prone malcontent who has already burned them multiple times ISN'T a sound business decision :p

[Lock Jaw]

I get wanting Punk, I really do, but if you're at the point of having to plan for whole entire backup venues you gotta ask yourself is it worth it

[Fignuts]

If that announcement trailer is the last we see of the game before release, then it's all but guaranteed to be a mess. When a developer has a product that they're proud of, they promote it as much as possible, all the way up to the day of release, with various trailers detailing the all features.

[weather vane]

These video game takes from everyone are so funny. Hahaha.

[XL]

Tickets have stalled for Wembley. Dave is reporting 62k paid. Obviously their biggest gate ever, but you’d hope so given it’s in a bloody stadium lol.

Potentially gets a bump as the card comes together. If not, that’s a good number, it might be where they top out though. They’d have to come with a killer card to beat that on their 2nd attempt.

[XL]

I get wanting Punk, I really do, but if you're at the point of having to plan for whole entire backup venues you gotta ask yourself is it worth it

Yeah, as big a Punk fan as I am, I’d be hard passing at this point if I were in Tony’s position.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Collision without Punk is toast. AEW without Punk is in bad shape. The Elite don’t care about pissing in their own well if it means they don’t get upstaged and shown up.

You bring in Punk. You let him cut the promo he needs to cut about the Salieris in the back and give Collision a fighting chance, because you need those 5 hrs of television to get the money to keep you profitable.

[Mr. Nerfect]

According to Dave, Collision has been struggling to sell tickets. This is going to hurt them if they don’t get it right.

My prediction: Tony is smart enough to realize that he needs Punk for this, and people close to Punk will talk him into doing the show despite The Elite’s attempts to fuck with him. But who knows when the next torpedo goes off in their own ship?

[Fignuts]

These video game takes from everyone are so funny. Hahaha.

Bud, I would really like for it to be good, but it's hard to have faith when the developers themselves don't even have enough faith to properly market and promote their title.

[Mr. Nerfect]

One of the head developers jumped ship. THQ basically came out and apologized for the game ahead of time. Omega has no clue what he is doing and it has been a nightmare for people needing to take direction from him. An expensive, blind nightmare.

The books about this company are going to be amazing.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Fucking lol at that reveal, by the way.

[XL]

How’re tickets for Double or Nothing?

[Mr. Nerfect]

I haven’t found a recent article about them, but going onto the site and having a quick glance makes them look like they’re around 75% full to me.

[xrodmuc316]

How’re tickets for Double or Nothing?

AEW: Double or Nothing
SUN MAY 28, 2023 – 4:00 PM
T-Mobile Arena, Las Vegas NV

Available Tickets => 2,913
Current Setup => 9,872
Tickets Distributed => 6,959

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[Evil Vito]

Bud, I would really like for it to be good, but it's hard to have faith when the developers themselves don't even have enough faith to properly market and promote their title.

This. It’s not like I’ve given up all hope on the game, for all we know it’ll be very No Mercy reminiscent and fun as shit. But I can’t justify a day one, $70 purchase based on what has been shown so far.

They’ve got 6 weeks to promote this thing. If they do a half-assed job with that it’s a damning sign.

[Fignuts]

On the bbrightside it's coming out for pc. So even if its pretty bad modders might be able to make something of it.

Provided its not a complete dumpster fire.

[xrodmuc316]

Some new stories coming out:

AEW's sent legal notice to CM Phil, threatening him with legal action for something FINALLY.
Collision being on Saturdays is going to limit AEW wrestlers from making money at Conventions, and they are upset.
AEW having such trouble selling tickets for Double or Nothing, they are running 4 tickets for $40 deals, which is essentially buy 1 get 3 free, which in their arrogance they mocked in the past.

Also, not new news, but they still haven't announced a Billion Dollar Tv/Streaming deal, which the Cultists said was going to happen 5 days ago, so there is that.

[Mr. Nerfect]

AEW is a fucking shitshow.

[DrA]

Bud, I would really like for it to be good, but it's hard to have faith when the developers themselves don't even have enough faith to properly market and promote their title.

Have faith in Kenny…

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I wonder if create a wrestler will be any good. Haven’t bought a wrestling game in a good long while. Definitely interested in this.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The CM Punk legal action stuff is so interesting, because what it implies is that CM Punk is really important to the company moving forward. If it were a case of him simply being a headache and them being better off without him — why not do better off without him?

I wonder if the performance of Collision is somehow vital to AEW’s future? For example: What if TK needs a major, major rights fee increase in order to justify his expenses and keep TV partners interested in them as a growing commodity? Collision could have been a gambit to encourage WBD to pay them the money they need by generating more profitable content for WBD. If Collision is DOA, then it’s possible that AEW doesn’t command the leverage needed to secure a long-term TV deal that allows TK to continue throwing the money around to keep AEW situated.

I’m very curious to see how this plays out and what TV deal ends up being announced (if any).

[xrodmuc316]

Until Shad Khan decides AEW needs to make "X" amount of net dollars, AEW doesnt need a lucrative rights deal.

The only reason the amount of the rights deal would matter before that time, is to feed into the delusional narrative that AEW is overtaking WWE.

[Triple A]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

Until Shad Khan decides AEW needs to make "X" amount of net dollars, AEW doesnt need a lucrative rights deal.

The only reason the amount of the rights deal would matter before that time, is to feed into the delusional narrative that AEW is overtaking WWE.

Unless it’s a case of a TV partner not wanting to go into business for 4 or 5 years with a promotion they know is going to be losing money.

[Mr. JL]

Its almost like continually relying on an injury prone malcontent who has already burned them multiple times ISN'T a sound business decision :p

THIS!

[Mr. JL]

Also, seriously... if Collison absolutely needs a STAR (which I do not think it does; it just needs a solid direction, continuation and build to something greater that can lead to a PAYOFF on PPV and increased ratings) ... The Khan's can afford ANYONE on the free market. They can make it happen, they DO NOT NEED just CM Punk to do it!

The Khan's have enough money to book Goldberg versus Stacy Keibler vs Duane Gillberg VS Great Muta vs Rob Van Dam vs Bob Backlund vs Bret Hart vs Jushin Liger in a TikTok Twitch ONLY FANS bra and panties match for the Golden Barbie Doll House Championship with the winner taking on Nick Gage in a bloody Deathmatch afterwards followed by a Hulk Hogan fingerpoke of DOOM followed by Judy Bagwell on a Pole match against Bill "Captain Kirk" Shatner on a Starship Enterprise match with guest interferences by Jean-Luc Picard, The Borg, Gandolf, John Snow, Cersei Lannister, a Dragon, Rocky Balboa, Jack from the Titanic, Homer SImpson, Darth Vader, the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air and Kevin McAllister.

They already have 10 plus under-utilized wrestlers on the payroll capable of carrying a new show. It drives me insane they NEED someone ELSE because they literally cannot book the ones they currently HAVE!

[Mr. Nerfect]

None of those names, outside of Goldberg, has a chance of drawing.

[Mr. Nerfect]

SRS says the legal papers were documents to protect AEW from CM Punk disparaging them when he returns. Boring.

[xrodmuc316]

SRS says the legal papers were documents to protect AEW from CM Punk disparaging them when he returns. Boring.

LOL, so the ONE thing CM Punk is good at, shoots, is now legally restricted??? "Happy to be Here" Punk is even worse than malcontent Punk. :rofl:

[xrodmuc316]

Also, does anybody else have that clause, or can Hangman just tell him Colt Cabana is better, and then when Phil melts down again and gets sued, is Hangman going to be the biggest babyface in wrestling?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah, it’s not very inspiring. It combines the worst things about AEW with the worst things about CM Punk.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Fight Forever looks FUCKING HORRIBLE! Holy shit, so bad.

Orange Cassidy and Evil Uno played a Britt Baker vs. Chris Jericho match. The arena looks so bleak. They could barely work out the controls. There are countouts (has there ever been a countout in an AEW match?). The characters jump around. Their moves look clunky as fuck to execute. Britt Baker just effortlessly performs tilt-a-whirl backbreakers on Chris Jericho.

It’s ugly. It’s clunky. The physics look ridiculous.

Has Jericho ever used a running Judas Effect, by the way? I don’t pay enough attention. If not, welp, that’s one of his finishes in Fight Forever.

[Mr. Nerfect]

But at least you get to shoot off as much pyro as you want during your entrance. Very important to add that feature even if you can’t get running the ropes right.

[Evil Vito]

Quite liked what I saw out of the short Fight Forever stream today. Seemed to nail the AKI arcadey vibe they were going for.

Appears that everyone has different skills and attributes, allowing them to excel in certain areas of the match (striking, high flying, etc), this was more or less confirmed by the achievements list but I'm glad it's there anyway. As even in an arcade fighter, everyone usually has unique skillsets.

Seemed to me from what was shown that the CPU controlled wrestlers were behaving like their real-life counterparts. CPU Jericho kept sliding out of the ring and taunting when he was trying to calm his opponents' momentum.
CPU MJF attacked before the bell, heeled it up constantly and has a headlock takeover signature move which I thought was cool as the animation mimicked the way he pinned Darby.

OC has his sloth style which is more or less the equivalent of changing stance in a fighting game. And with that there are presumably a whole bunch of moves specific with that stance, though the real life OC didn't know the controls so really we just saw him block a few strikes, hit a dropkick and do a pin in that stance. Very cool feature though and the "stances" could open up options for different talent.

Can't say I care about the entrances, controlling your pyro or anything. Actually prefer the entrances being short as I usually end up skipping them in 2k after the first couple of times I see it.

Still can't say I'm rushing to drop 70 bucks off of what is still relatively little footage, but it seems fun. Hopefully they put out more footage/discuss more features over the next 6 weeks.

Anyone who was expecting the game to look like the 2k series or strive for simulation gameplay vs. arcadey gameplay has paid no attention to what they've been saying about the game since day one.

[Evil Vito]

One of the achievements is to play a match with at least 50 wrestlers, which, unless you're expected to supplement this total with CAWs, would mean at least 50 are in the game, possibly slightly more.

Only 30 have been announced so far either through screenshots or various write-ups.

-Adam Cole
-Adam Page
-Brodie Lee
-Bryan Danielson
-Chris Jericho
-CM Punk
-Cody Rhodes
-Darby Allin
-Jon Moxley
-Jungle Boy
-Kenny Omega
-Matt Hardy
-Matt Jackson
-MJF
-Miro
-Nick Jackson
-Orange Cassidy
-Owen Hart
-Paul Wight
-Penta El Zero Miedo
-Rey Fenix

-Abadon
-Britt Baker
-Hikaru Shida
-Jade Cargill
-Kris Statlander
-Nyla Rose
-Ruby Soho
-Thunder Rosa
-Yuka Sakazaki

The roster being dated has long been known, and it's also known that the career mode is meant to reflect the early days of AEW.

Having said that, it's tough for me to think of 20 more names that should be added without including FTR, who were reportedly scrapped from the main game and moved to DLC. Their exclusion is very dubious, especially since MJF has the fucking Pinnacle logo in his tron.

[Evil Vito]

The inclusion of Abadon and Yuka Sakazaki continue to make me think they'll put practically every woman they have into the game. Brandi still being in would be unsurprising, no way she wouldn't have been in if she were still around and they've kept Cody in. Hell if they really are going to the beginning of AEW I'd mark out if Awesome Kong was in.

Supposedly The Bunny did voiceover work for story mode, while Butcher confirmed that he and Blade aren't in the game. Leaving the team out but putting Bunny in would point to them really just trying to shoehorn women in to make up the numbers and make it as close to equal as possible, even if it's at the expense of leaving out some bigger name male talent like FTR.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Quite liked what I saw out of the short Fight Forever stream today. Seemed to nail the AKI arcadey vibe they were going for.

Appears that everyone has different skills and attributes, allowing them to excel in certain areas of the match (striking, high flying, etc), this was more or less confirmed by the achievements list but I'm glad it's there anyway. As even in an arcade fighter, everyone usually has unique skillsets.

Seemed to me from what was shown that the CPU controlled wrestlers were behaving like their real-life counterparts. CPU Jericho kept sliding out of the ring and taunting when he was trying to calm his opponents' momentum.
CPU MJF attacked before the bell, heeled it up constantly and has a headlock takeover signature move which I thought was cool as the animation mimicked the way he pinned Darby.

OC has his sloth style which is more or less the equivalent of changing stance in a fighting game. And with that there are presumably a whole bunch of moves specific with that stance, though the real life OC didn't know the controls so really we just saw him block a few strikes, hit a dropkick and do a pin in that stance. Very cool feature though and the "stances" could open up options for different talent.

Can't say I care about the entrances, controlling your pyro or anything. Actually prefer the entrances being short as I usually end up skipping them in 2k after the first couple of times I see it.

Still can't say I'm rushing to drop 70 bucks off of what is still relatively little footage, but it seems fun. Hopefully they put out more footage/discuss more features over the next 6 weeks.

Anyone who was expecting the game to look like the 2k series or strive for simulation gameplay vs. arcadey gameplay has paid no attention to what they've been saying about the game since day one.

:lol:

Sorry, but the game looks shit and everybody knows it.

[xrodmuc316]

I hope they have a mini game where you get to be Tiny Khan snorting lines of coke.

[screech]

Butcher and Blade not being in the game is disappointing

[Fignuts]

:lol:

Sorry, but the game looks shit and everybody knows it.

I don't know how you could have ever played the N64 games and not see the similarities in movement, animation, and pace. If they were going for a new generation no mercy, then that stream is reassuring. As destor said a while back though, it all hinges on how it feels.

And how well it's been QA tested. It could feel exactly like the aki games, but if it's a buggy broken mess it won't matter.

70 dollars is a hard pill to swallow however, and I have to think its priced that way to recoup some of the losses of this game's awful mismanagement.

I'm already throwing down 70 for street fighter 6 next month so this game will have to wait.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I played No Mercy and had a lot of fun. It pushed the limits of the N64. 23 fucking years ago. Part of No Mercy’s charm was that it had almost everybody and everything you could think of as a fan…at that time.

They’re clearly trying to do the same style of gameplay. Hold A for strong grapple or whatever. But you can tell by looking at it how fiddly, clunky and out of date this is. Look at the physics of how moves are executed, or how they’re not.

If you want to play No Mercy…go and play No Mercy. You’ll probably be able to create a more up to date roster.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Quite a few people here are going to owe me a Coke when it turns out I am 100% right about this.

[Sting Fan]

Butcher and Blade not being in the game is disappointing

I havent followed the game roster closely but im hoping there will be some DLC with guys like them at some point.

looks like Punks in for Collision I guess based on the location. Cant say I'm too bothered either way for Punk but its interesting none the less.

Kinda feels like the whole FTR contract situation where AEW is working the internet pretty effectively. Whatever you believe about it its driving engagement which is what almost all companies look for nowadays in social spaces. Hopefully it lands better than the FTR thing did which felt a bit played out by the end of it for me.

[Fignuts]

I played No Mercy and had a lot of fun. It pushed the limits of the N64. 23 fucking years ago. Part of No Mercy’s charm was that it had almost everybody and everything you could think of as a fan…at that time.

They’re clearly trying to do the same style of gameplay. Hold A for strong grapple or whatever. But you can tell by looking at it how fiddly, clunky and out of date this is. Look at the physics of how moves are executed, or how they’re not.

If you want to play No Mercy…go and play No Mercy. You’ll probably be able to create a more up to date roster.

And theres a lot of people that still play it today along with many other games of decades past. Good gameplay is timeless. If they can successfuly tap into that, the game might have a chance.

[Fignuts]

Quite a few people here are going to owe me a Coke when it turns out I am 100% right about this.

Literally no one has promised it's going to be good. At most, people have noted a positive sign here and there, but always accompanied by cautious trepidation. Anyone can see the red flags, but people aren't focused solely on that, because as destor and I clearly stated in our last discussion about this, people want them to succeed here so there's more than just wwe 2k on the market. God forbid.

[rez]

If the Dallas Stars win tomorrow night...the next game goes back to T-Mobile in Vegas Saturday night.

THAT sounds like a logistics nightmare. ABC/ESPN + venue ice out. AEW/Warner/PPV in

[Mr. Nerfect]

And theres a lot of people that still play it today along with many other games of decades past. Good gameplay is timeless. If they can successfuly tap into that, the game might have a chance.

I am telling you: This will not have good gameplay.

[Evil Vito]

Noid reminds me of this

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[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I mean you may be right Noid. But it’s not the bragging rights victory you’ll hope it’ll be. Mostly, it’ll be people playing the game and going “jeez this isn’t as good as it shoulda been. Damn. Oh well time to live my life.”

They won’t be like, “wow I wish I listened to Noid, the king of everything and the smartest person in existence.”

[Evil Vito]

Butcher and Blade not being in the game is disappointing

The "rumor" is that the first DLC will drop pretty soon after launch and would be a tag team-laden expansion which I guess would include B&B, FTR, The Acclaimed, maybe the Dark Order etc depending on who was left out of the initial launch

If they really do this game as being a continuous 3-4 year project where they keep adding new wrestlers, modes, etc it could easily end up with 100+ by the time they're done. But of course, DLC will come at a cost so I'd have to see what they're charging. Invariably if you buy all the DLC put out at some point it'll equate to buying a whole new game, even if it's a couple of years down the road.

[Lock Jaw]

I despise DLC so much.... back in my day you just sold a complete game...

[Fignuts]

I despise DLC so much.... back in my day you just sold a complete game...

It depends. Sometimes you get a complete game, and then they add on to it. Witcher 3, Tekken 7, etc. Games that have a wealth of content at launch and add on what wasn't in the budget to be put in from the start.

But you've obviously got people abusing it and cutting content to sell it later and milk more profit. As well as all the aggregious micro transactions.

But it' s not an inherently bad system.

[Fignuts]

Unfortunately, given what they're charging for the game itself, I'm expecting any dlc to be overpriced.

[Lock Jaw]

Britt Baker just effortlessly performs tilt-a-whirl backbreakers on Chris Jericho.

It’s ugly. It’s clunky. The physics look ridiculous.

And another thing, this is a positive. Hate when they overcomplicated things with every rassler having "stats" and "overall rankings" or whatever. I like being whoever I want and being able to do whatever to whoever. I remember back in the day with WCW/NWO one of the first things my friend and I did was have an "epic match" between Eric Bischoff and Sting. Probably with "rankings" or whatever in modern games it wouldn't have been as good.

[Fignuts]

Still remember the days of playing Here Comes the Pain with friends. We'd occasionaly have a divas battle royal, and my one friend would pick big show every time.

[Mr. Nerfect]

And another thing, this is a positive. Hate when they overcomplicated things with every rassler having "stats" and "overall rankings" or whatever. I like being whoever I want and being able to do whatever to whoever. I remember back in the day with WCW/NWO one of the first things my friend and I did was have an "epic match" between Eric Bischoff and Sting. Probably with "rankings" or whatever in modern games it wouldn't have been as good.

No, it’s not going to be a good thing. The execution for this stuff is going to be stiff as hell. You can tell by how Cassidy and Uno were playing it. This game gives the impression it should play like No Mercy, but is going to be impenetrable as hell.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I mean you may be right Noid. But it’s not the bragging rights victory you’ll hope it’ll be. Mostly, it’ll be people playing the game and going “jeez this isn’t as good as it shoulda been. Damn. Oh well time to live my life.”

They won’t be like, “wow I wish I listened to Noid, the king of everything and the smartest person in existence.”

Of course it’s a shame. It’s also a shame anyone could have seen a mile away. It’s not about me being the smartest person in existence — it’s about how wilfully ignorant people are when it comes to this company and its bullshit (still).

[Fignuts]

I don't know how many different ways I can say no one has said its going to be good. You're over here crucifying people just because they want to wait and see how it feels before they completely shit all over it.

This isn't about people being "willfully ignorant". It's about you not only wanting this game to fail, but salivating over the thought of it, because your hate boner for AEW has reached such a state of hardness, that it could pulverize diamonds into a fine mist.

[XL]

You don’t get it Fignuts!!!

PICK A FUCKING SIDE COCK SUCKER!!! YOU’RE EITHER AEW IS THE FUCKING BEST, FUCK VINCE, TONY IS A GAME CHANGER LET’S FUCKING GOOOOOOO or AEW IS THE DIRT WORST FUCK TK THE FUCKING COKE HEAD MAN CHILD.

You cannot be a pragmatist and take anything at its merit or criticise where it’s due.

[xrodmuc316]

"The scope of the deal, as it is, the length is the same," Khan said. "This is in addition to what we'd already put together. ... They reached out to us and gave us this great opportunity."

Read More: https://www.wrestlinginc.com/1296875/tony-khan-aew-collision-affects-tv-deal/


So ALL that confidence WBD has in AEW led to ZERO extra days in the length of their TV Deal? Are we even sure at this point WBD is paying AEW anything for Collision? Maybe Tiny is paying them Shad's money :rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don't know how many different ways I can say no one has said its going to be good. You're over here crucifying people just because they want to wait and see how it feels before they completely shit all over it.

This isn't about people being "willfully ignorant". It's about you not only wanting this game to fail, but salivating over the thought of it, because your hate boner for AEW has reached such a state of hardness, that it could pulverize diamonds into a fine mist.

And how many times do I have to say it would be lovely if it were good, but it’s obvious it’s not going to be. The “wait and see” method with this game, with this company, has expired.

[Mr. Nerfect]

“Great opportunity” is a euphemism for “we didn’t get what we wanted.”

[Mr. Nerfect]

By the way, Fignuts, I’ve totally gotten the “well actually” from quite a few people on here. I’m definitely going to wave my balls in their face when this is predictably the shits.

[xrodmuc316]

It is the same everytime with this company. Paid shills and idiotic fans hype everything up as "just wait, it is going to be amazing", and it inevitably is a major letdown compared to the hype machine.

It is exactly the same situation with the game. This has been hyped for years as this monumental game achievement. This is not going to be some cultural phenomenon that sells millions upon millions of copies. It is a niche game for a niche fanbase, and that would be fine if they haven't overplayed their hand hyping it up the entire time.

Not 2 weeks ago, WBD was going to announce a 5 year $1.2 Billion TV/Max streaming deal. Instead, it ended up being a 2 hour Saturday night show. If that doesn't stand out as the prime example, then yes that is 100% Willful Ignorance.

[Fignuts]

And how many times do I have to say it would be lovely if it were good, but it’s obvious it’s not going to be. The “wait and see” method with this game, with this company, has expired.

And I'm saying AEW has nothing to do with it. Everyone sees the same flags you do. No one is denying they exist. Not because they love aew, but because they love wrestling games. This could be a backyard wrestling game made by the krow in his basement and people would still be giving it the same chance they're giving Fight Forever.

The wrestling game landscape has been a barren wasteland for damn near two decades. You've had the choice of either WWE games which have been annually regurgitated mediocrity outside of the rare bright spot entry after fans complain enough, or Fire Pro, which as much as I love it, is an incredibly niche game that is absolutely not for everybody.

Wrestling game fans would be remiss to not give this game a chance and play it before summoning Kane to drag it into the depths of hell.

[Fignuts]

By the way, Fignuts, I’ve totally gotten the “well actually” from quite a few people on here. I’m definitely going to wave my balls in their face when this is predictably the shits.

There might be a few of those on tpww, but I think most people here who watch aew get what enjoyment they can, and do criticize what they don't like. They may not criticize as much as you or I, but that doesn't make them shills.

If anyone did proclaim this game's critical and financial success at every turn, then by all means, teabag away.

[Destor]

The thing about fighting games is youve gotta feel them to know if its good. But it looks like its going to play like i want it to and if it does, even in a year as stacked as this in the genre, itll be my fighting game of the year.

Conceptually this is THE format for wrestling games. If its as responsive as it needs to be with a stable frame rate and good netcoding... we're off to the races.

But i have to have it in my hands to know that. Theres a lot about the game that concerns me. Namely that im reasonably sure they ran out of money a year ago and have limped to the finish line.

This leads me to believe its going to be a buggy mess than doesnt get post launch support. This will live and die on performance.

[Frank Drebin]

Gonna just have to wait and see on it. Might be a total mess at launch but if they can patch it up and turn it around maybe they'll save a little face. Hope for the best, expect the worst.

[Frank Drebin]

So I got tix to both Chicago shows with Punk *supposedly" coming back. Not sure what to expect from the crowd since this isn't the 7-year absence it was before. We've started and stopped Punk runs a couple of times in his AEW career so its not going to be as huge a pop as the First Dance. I don't even think they'll sell out TBH. They're calling it The Second Coming and I find it funny because they used Punk to launch Rampage and it immediately because an afterthought. Now they're using him to launch another show......

I'm a huge Punk mark but they need a long injury and drama free run from Punk here or whatever wind is left in those sails will be gone.

[Mr. Nerfect]

And I'm saying AEW has nothing to do with it. Everyone sees the same flags you do. No one is denying they exist. Not because they love aew, but because they love wrestling games. This could be a backyard wrestling game made by the krow in his basement and people would still be giving it the same chance they're giving Fight Forever.

The wrestling game landscape has been a barren wasteland for damn near two decades. You've had the choice of either WWE games which have been annually regurgitated mediocrity outside of the rare bright spot entry after fans complain enough, or Fire Pro, which as much as I love it, is an incredibly niche game that is absolutely not for everybody.

Wrestling game fans would be remiss to not give this game a chance and play it before summoning Kane to drag it into the depths of hell.

I understand that people want a good new wrestling game. I just don’t think this is it. If I’m right, that doesn’t make me the bad guy.

[xrodmuc316]

BRUH :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Free Double or Nothing tickets with the purchase of any burger from Pub 365 in Las Vegas.

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[xrodmuc316]

Even better than the joke, Cultist got so mad they were harassing the Pub on yelp :rofl:
Gotta defend Tiny at all times lol

[Mr. Nerfect]

I wouldn’t have even known it was a joke. AEW’s not very far away from needing to pay people to go to some of their shows as they chew up markets.

The Double or Nothing card looks FUCKING TERRIBLE. It’s not even a case of a what would be a good card on paper in a wrestling promotion likely sucking because of AEW. It looks fucking ludicrous.

* Why is there a Battle Royal for the International Title? Why is there an International Title? Who gives a fuck?

* Why are The Hardy Boyz on TV in 2023? Why is Tony Khan putting Jeff in more positions to bump and turn back to substances? Fuck this. Remember when The Young Bucks “put over” Private Party? Fucking lol.

* They’ve already made people not care about Taya Valkyrie. Good job. :y:

* Toni Storm isn’t very good. People saw a pretty girl with a good ass in independent wrestling and willed her talent into existence.

* Why is Mark Briscoe refereeing a match? How are people supposed to care about FTR and Jeff Jarrett/Jay Lethal with the tag division in the shape it’s in? You put this on a TNA PPV in 2006 and people would have griped about it. Now AEW gets away with it.

* Adam Cole legitimately has me concerned about him. Something is not right there. He’s another guy getting a push that just isn’t working.

* Why is Wardlow in a Ladder Match? Why can’t this be straight singles? What a use of Christian Cage. This should be a house show circuit thing for Wardlow to help him learn. Christian could take the losses there and it wouldn’t matter.

* Anarchy in the Arena = bullshit. Who could care about these arbitrary factions?

* A four-way main event with two guys who maybe kinda belong.

*Farts in AEW’s direction*

[Vastardikai]

In a just world, it would be MJF vs Darby, without the other two idiots.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Agreed. No interest in JB or Sammy in the main event.

[rez]

I wouldn’t have even known it was a joke. AEW’s not very far away from needing to pay people to go to some of their shows as they chew up markets.

The Double or Nothing card looks FUCKING TERRIBLE. It’s not even a case of a what would be a good card on paper in a wrestling promotion likely sucking because of AEW. It looks fucking ludicrous.

* Why is there a Battle Royal for the International Title? Why is there an International Title? Who gives a fuck?

* Why are The Hardy Boyz on TV in 2023? Why is Tony Khan putting Jeff in more positions to bump and turn back to substances? Fuck this. Remember when The Young Bucks “put over” Private Party? Fucking lol.

* They’ve already made people not care about Taya Valkyrie. Good job. :y:

* Toni Storm isn’t very good. People saw a pretty girl with a good ass in independent wrestling and willed her talent into existence.

* Why is Mark Briscoe refereeing a match? How are people supposed to care about FTR and Jeff Jarrett/Jay Lethal with the tag division in the shape it’s in? You put this on a TNA PPV in 2006 and people would have griped about it. Now AEW gets away with it.

* Adam Cole legitimately has me concerned about him. Something is not right there. He’s another guy getting a push that just isn’t working.

* Why is Wardlow in a Ladder Match? Why can’t this be straight singles? What a use of Christian Cage. This should be a house show circuit thing for Wardlow to help him learn. Christian could take the losses there and it wouldn’t matter.

* Anarchy in the Arena = bullshit. Who could care about these arbitrary factions?

* A four-way main event with two guys who maybe kinda belong.

*Farts in AEW’s direction*

Man, I don't block your posts. When I feel bad aboot myself....I just think about ya, Noid.

[rez]

Pray for Noid

[rez]

Droford sounding messages.. ahh

[Sting Fan]

Agreed. No interest in JB or Sammy in the main event.

I dont mind JB in it which kind of then lends itself to having SG I guess. Its clear Darby and MJF are the top talents in that situation though.

[weather vane]

Not a big Jungle Boy fan. Bores me.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

It’ll never cease to amaze me that Noid says he hates AEW but can’t stop talking about it and spends much of his day here letting everybody know how he feels

[Frank Drebin]

Yeah....the 4 pillars thing is "meh". Feels like filler. I wouldn't have much interest in Darby / MJF as a main event at a ppv either though so six of one, half a dozen of the other for me.

[Frank Drebin]

Noise def a disgruntled AEW employee. Big Swole?

[Sting Fan]

Noids Cornette for sure. I'm convinced a huge portion of the wrestling fandom hate TK gets is the fandoms general jealousy wishing they were in his shoes. Even the insiders, Cornette, Bischoff, Konnan etc who regularly take there shots would give there left arm to be in his shoes.

I don't mind the 4 pillars idea but were at a point where its 1A (MJF), 1B (Darby) and the other two just aren't on that level and it shows. It will be interesting to see if time levels the playing field a bit or not.

I feel like JB might get there, SG is just such a bad promo I don't know how he breaks through or why they keep giving him a live mic.

[XL]

Nah man, TK is a weird, weird dude. The hugging thing, the stomping his feet in his promos, his output on twitter. Dude is a man-child.

[The Rogerer]

I hate Mr. Nerfect:

* bad posts

*why does he post here every day for 4 years about this?

*keeps saying things that aren't true

* has personal preferences where he doesn't like wrestlers which are indisputable but why post about them?

* many critics of WWE had previously been devoted fans, so they'll have a lifelong connection to the product that draws them back to criticise it. Mr Nerfect has no such draw to AEW so why does it bother him so

* why does a wrestling company have a belt\? its so stupid

* I well understand what it's like to get stuck in a habit of terrible posting, but at some point you hope that you knock yourself out of that rut. Otherwise you can imagine the tragic case of Noid posting angrily on TPWW in 2050 about some wrestling organisation that doesn't exist and wrestlers who aren't born yet.

* misplaced concern troll nonsense. I really think Jeffrey Pouncer is not over with the fans. It is embarrassing. The FGWF loses money every time he stops in the rung

[Mr. Nerfect]

Noids Cornette for sure. I'm convinced a huge portion of the wrestling fandom hate TK gets is the fandoms general jealousy wishing they were in his shoes. Even the insiders, Cornette, Bischoff, Konnan etc who regularly take there shots would give there left arm to be in his shoes.

I don't mind the 4 pillars idea but were at a point where its 1A (MJF), 1B (Darby) and the other two just aren't on that level and it shows. It will be interesting to see if time levels the playing field a bit or not.

I feel like JB might get there, SG is just such a bad promo I don't know how he breaks through or why they keep giving him a live mic.

It’s funny you try to insult me (I think) by comparing me to critics, then go on to basically agree with the points the critics make.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I hate Mr. Nerfect:

* bad posts

*why does he post here every day for 4 years about this?

*keeps saying things that aren't true

* has personal preferences where he doesn't like wrestlers which are indisputable but why post about them?

* many critics of WWE had previously been devoted fans, so they'll have a lifelong connection to the product that draws them back to criticise it. Mr Nerfect has no such draw to AEW so why does it bother him so

* why does a wrestling company have a belt\? its so stupid

* I well understand what it's like to get stuck in a habit of terrible posting, but at some point you hope that you knock yourself out of that rut. Otherwise you can imagine the tragic case of Noid posting angrily on TPWW in 2050 about some wrestling organisation that doesn't exist and wrestlers who aren't born yet.

* misplaced concern troll nonsense. I really think Jeffrey Pouncer is not over with the fans. It is embarrassing. The FGWF loses money every time he stops in the rung

Make that room for me in your head. You know AEW is hurting when the apologists spiral into “fuck you, mans.” I’m invested in wrestling. I post about it. A lot of people LOVE my posts. That you don’t is a defect you get to deal with. You can either ignore me, or make an actual fucking point.

This is where the cultists go. Weird attempts to attack your character because you don’t like their shitty wrestling promotion. I’m going to be extra honest about Double or Nothing now. ;)

[The Rogerer]

Really sorry about that, please forgive me. I think I peppered lots of points into my post in a humorous stylee. Just like you made a joke when you said "mans", I don't get that joke but it's okay. I don't know if a lot of people love your posts because there isn't a lot of people on TPWW but never mind.

Why are you concerned for Adam Cole?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Oh, that was an attempt at humor? Ok.

Adam Cole doesn’t look well. At all.

[The Rogerer]

I would say "in what way" but you've clarified that he doesn't look well at all so that would be in every aspect. Do you think we're looking at medical malpractice here perhaps?

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think we’re probably looking at a mental health thing that has spiralled into physical neglect. This is what working for AEW will do for ya.

[The Rogerer]

I think of you when I look at this thread because you post in it a lot. In a way I suppose that does mean you're inside my head. But now I'm inside yours. Hee hee hee

[Destor]

Objectively cole looks like he has AIDS. Sickly looking guy

[Mr. Nerfect]

You’re really not. In fact, I’m going to put you on ignore right now. It’s not like the quality of the discussion will dip. Goodbye. Take better care of yourself than Adam Cole does.

[The Rogerer]

I thought Adam Cole looked fine. Americans seem to get distressed when white people don't tan though.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Objectively cole looks like he has AIDS. Sickly looking guy

It’s not just me that sees it then? I remember thinking he was quite a good looking guy in NXT. Now he looks like a meth head. He’s aged at least 10 years since being in AEW and letting himself go.

[Destor]

I think there's something wrong with him yeah.

[Mr. Nerfect]

CM Punk’s comments at the press conference were weird too. Way more than just a concussion going on. I don’t know if the guy got burnt out on wrestling with WWE and mentally flaked, or if everyone’s railing his wife and he doesn’t know how to go about it, or what have you.

[The Rogerer]

CM Punk’s comments at the press conference were weird too. Way more than just a concussion going on.ran out of adrenochrome

[GD]

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[GD]

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[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">What is this LMFAO <a href="https://t.co/1XYqLIZMw3">pic.twitter.com/1XYqLIZMw3</a></p>&mdash; Xylot Themes (@XylotThemes) <a href="https://twitter.com/XylotThemes/status/1662626976937435147?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 28, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[xrodmuc316]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">What is this LMFAO <a href="https://t.co/1XYqLIZMw3">pic.twitter.com/1XYqLIZMw3</a></p>&mdash; Xylot Themes (@XylotThemes) <a href="https://twitter.com/XylotThemes/status/1662626976937435147?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 28, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That is what happens when you don't take your time, and you rush a video game out in 3 years!

[Fignuts]

Yikes

[Destor]

3 years is a lightning fast dev time so your sarcasm doesnt really work. Excluding iteratives the average for double A titles is 4 years with AAA titles at 5 years and projected to balloon to 7 years over the course of this genration.

Titles like Fifa, NBA 2k, Madden, etc arent new games every year. Theyre the same game tweaked slightly year after year. You're paying for a roster update and some gameplay tweaks. The core coding and underlying architecture is the same year over year. They arent starting from 0.

For instance if this managed to make enough to fund a 2024 update they could use that time, obviously, update the roster and continue to refine the core systems. Maybe add a match mode or two for the back the of the box marketing. But it would be the same game. It could be a million percent better in a years time but it would essentially be an alpha vs a beta build.

And make no mistake this could very easily be an alpha build sent to market a year early. That is my primary concern. The game needed a industry standard dev time and didnt have the funds to get it. That would essentially make this game the "go fund me" for the new AKI game we've been wanting for decades for.

Tl;dr you're really in the dark on this topic. Make fun of visuals, sure. Not a point of interest for me personally but im a guy who picked Triangle Strategy as my 2022 GotY. Visuals arent something that makes me open my wallet. Ultra low priority. Graphics fanboys are def going to have a good time at the all you can eat meme machine that this will offer. Dev times though? You might as well start talking about nuclear physics. You know as much about both topics.

[GD]

3 years is a lightning fast dev time so your sarcasm doesnt really work. Excluding iteratives the average for double A titles is 4 years with AAA titles at 5 years and projected to balloon to 7 years over the course of this genration.

Titles like Fifa, NBA 2k, Madden, etc arent new games every year. Theyre the same game tweaked slightly year after year. You're paying for a roster update and some gameplay tweaks. The core coding and underlying architecture is the same year over year. They arent starting from 0.

For instance if this managed to make enough to fund a 2024 update they could use that time, obviously, update the roster and continue to refine the core systems. Maybe add a match mode or two for the back the of the box marketing. But it would be the same game. It could be a million percent better in a years time but it would essentially be an alpha vs a beta build.

And make no mistake this could very easily be an alpha build sent to market a year early. That is my primary concern. The game needed a industry standard dev time and didnt have the funds to get it. That would essentially make this game the "go fund me" for the new AKI game we've been wanting for decades for.

Tl;dr you're really in the dark on this topic. Make fun of visuals, sure. Not a point of interest for me personally but im a guy who picked Triangle Strategy as my 2022 GotY. Visuals arent something that makes me open my wallet. Ultra low priority. Graphics fanboys are def going to have a good time at the all you can eat meme machine that this will offer. Dev times though? You might as well start talking about nuclear physics. You know as much about both topics.


#POTY

[Tom Guycott]

Why are you concerned for Adam Cole?



Adam Cole doesn’t look well. At all.

I think we’re probably looking at a mental health thing that has spiralled into physical neglect. This is what working for AEW will do for ya.

Objectively cole looks like he has AIDS. Sickly looking guy

I thought Adam Cole looked fine. Americans seem to get distressed when white people don't tan though.

It’s not just me that sees it then? I remember thinking he was quite a good looking guy in NXT. Now he looks like a meth head. He’s aged at least 10 years since being in AEW and letting himself go.

I think there's something wrong with him yeah.

It seems like the opposite of what happened to Chris Hero in NXT. Instead of ballooning up and getting chunky, Adam has cut weight and gotten doughy.

I'm less of a stickler about the "tan" thing, because he's still a white guy to me at the end of the day unless you get to the point of leathering or spraying on way too much bronzer and it looks fucking stupid. But he looks like he said "fuck the gym" since he doesn't have to hit it super hard anymore without the WWE over his shoulder. And maybe he didn't. For all we know, he might be working out as much as he ever has... and that would make it a larger problem, since he shouldn't be losing mass and tone like that if he's grinding like that.

Hell, even when WALTER/GUNTHER first dropped weight, it didn't look quite right. He lost it relatively quickly, and even with it cut and being "in shape", it initially looked all gristly. Soon after, it started getting more proportional and less like his body was eating itself.

I know the criticisims seem hyperbolic, but there's something about Adam Cole's physique diminishment that doesn't seem natural. Almost like he's hiding an ailment he doesn't want to make public. And if that isn't the case, it's almost worse than if it were, because some sort of disease or ailment would at least be an excuse. If he isn't sick, then he just got lazy in a business where a big part of your image is how you look.

[Destor]

I wish i werr joking when i suggested AIDS but his weight loss, mass loss, and sunken features remind of a guy I knew. It happened super fast and left a skeleton looking human at a weirdly fast rate. At first i though he just got lazy but he's looking ill at this point.

[Sting Fan]

Jesus guys… even on wrestling fandom scale that’s fucked.

[Destor]

I truly dont see how. Unless you're trying to put some social stigma onto a disease i guess. People get sick all the time. More common still if he was juicing when he was in nxt. The odds arent low. Its a real thing people contract. Its not overly fatal these days either. Lotta baggage left over from the 80s but people live super long and very normal lives with it in the modern era.

[Fignuts]

People get sick all the time.

Pfffft

Sissies

[xrodmuc316]

3 years is a lightning fast dev time so your sarcasm doesnt really work. Excluding iteratives the average for double A titles is 4 years with AAA titles at 5 years and projected to balloon to 7 years over the course of this genration.

Titles like Fifa, NBA 2k, Madden, etc arent new games every year. Theyre the same game tweaked slightly year after year. You're paying for a roster update and some gameplay tweaks. The core coding and underlying architecture is the same year over year. They arent starting from 0.

For instance if this managed to make enough to fund a 2024 update they could use that time, obviously, update the roster and continue to refine the core systems. Maybe add a match mode or two for the back the of the box marketing. But it would be the same game. It could be a million percent better in a years time but it would essentially be an alpha vs a beta build.

And make no mistake this could very easily be an alpha build sent to market a year early. That is my primary concern. The game needed a industry standard dev time and didnt have the funds to get it. That would essentially make this game the "go fund me" for the new AKI game we've been wanting for decades for.

Tl;dr you're really in the dark on this topic. Make fun of visuals, sure. Not a point of interest for me personally but im a guy who picked Triangle Strategy as my 2022 GotY. Visuals arent something that makes me open my wallet. Ultra low priority. Graphics fanboys are def going to have a good time at the all you can eat meme machine that this will offer. Dev times though? You might as well start talking about nuclear physics. You know as much about both topics.

So you are saying putting a game out in 3 years would be considered a... rush??

Kind of feel like that is exactly what I said.

That is what happens when you don't take your time, and you rush a video game out in 3 years!

[Fignuts]

Fucking losing it at jungle boy over here

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I think the game looks fun but the character models faces are definitely a little weird. <a href="https://t.co/fg3xF0gy4W">pic.twitter.com/fg3xF0gy4W</a></p>&mdash; Ian DeMartino (@IanDeMartino) <a href="https://twitter.com/IanDeMartino/status/1662624301768400897?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 28, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[xrodmuc316]

Fucking losing it at jungle boy over here

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I think the game looks fun but the character models faces are definitely a little weird. <a href="https://t.co/fg3xF0gy4W">pic.twitter.com/fg3xF0gy4W</a></p>&mdash; Ian DeMartino (@IanDeMartino) <a href="https://twitter.com/IanDeMartino/status/1662624301768400897?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 28, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Jungle Boy and MJF both EERILY look like Kevin Dunn :rofl:

https://www.americanconsumernews.net/media/insiders/2055push_KevinDunn1.png

[Destor]

So you are saying putting a game out in 3 years would be considered a... rush??

Kind of feel like that is exactly what I said.except youve said several times in this thread that 3 years is a ridiculously long time. So either you were being facetious or you've abandoned any attempt to hide your lack of objectivity and are just openly dog piling from any angle you can must.


So take your pick, sarcasm or intellectually dishonst

[xrodmuc316]

except youve said several times in this thread that 3 years is a ridiculously long time. So either you were being facetious or you've abandoned any attempt to hide your lack of objectivity and are just openly dog piling from any angle you can must.


So take your pick, sarcasm or intellectually dishonst

My post was neither facetious or lacking objectivity, it was a sarcastic knock solely based on the graphics shown in the tweet which is what I replied to.

Your reply was a detailed rundown of development timeframes, during which you made the same point, that the graphics can be made fun of.

Since you took my initial sarcasm as a serious statement, and put together a solid response that 3 years is "lightning fast dev time", I then agreed with you that 3 years would be considered a "Rushed Release".

I found it a comical situation that while arguing against my sarcastic statement, you basically came to the same conclusion. That is not me being intellectually dishonest, that is you being heedless.

[#1-norm-fan]

Noid likes to pretend to put people on ignore when they call out his objectively demonstrable lies because it leaves him in too tough of a spot to bullshit his way out of. Rogerer with the win. Congrats.

[The Rogerer]

I truly dont see how. Unless you're trying to put some social stigma onto a disease i guess. People get sick all the time. More common still if he was juicing when he was in nxt. The odds arent low. Its a real thing people contract. Its not overly fatal these days either. Lotta baggage left over from the 80s but people live super long and very normal lives with it in the modern era.Come on now, that's a bit harsh. You should apologise to Sting Fan.

Maybe some people can live very normal lives but clearly not Adam Cole. I was going to watch Double or Nothing but now the thought is too upsetting.

[The Rogerer]

Maybe Adam Code got sick from sharing needles with Triple H. Hunter ended up in hospital recently too, that means he was very ill. Then Adam's head got hurt because they don't train you with chairshots in the Perfomance Centre any more because that is against political correctness.

[Sting Fan]

I truly dont see how. Unless you're trying to put some social stigma onto a disease i guess. People get sick all the time. More common still if he was juicing when he was in nxt. The odds arent low. Its a real thing people contract. Its not overly fatal these days either. Lotta baggage left over from the 80s but people live super long and very normal lives with it in the modern era.

Conjecture around someone having any sort of disease based on them looking thin is pretty fucked.

[Vastardikai]

Fucking losing it at jungle boy over here

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I think the game looks fun but the character models faces are definitely a little weird. <a href="https://t.co/fg3xF0gy4W">pic.twitter.com/fg3xF0gy4W</a></p>&mdash; Ian DeMartino (@IanDeMartino) <a href="https://twitter.com/IanDeMartino/status/1662624301768400897?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 28, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Why does Jungle Boy look like he was possessed by SpongeBob SquarePants? And why does it look like Eddie's Character just gained sentience and is shocked by the abomination that he is.

[Splaya]

CM Punk’s comments at the press conference were weird too. Way more than just a concussion going on. I don’t know if the guy got burnt out on wrestling with WWE and mentally flaked, or if everyone’s railing his wife and he doesn’t know how to go about it, or what have you.

I'd definitely rail his wife :naughty:

[Evil Vito]

Lol graphics aren’t the be-all, end-all for me by any stretch but Kingston looks hilariously bad.

[Evil Vito]

Brodie on the other hand looks fantastic. If I ever get the game I’m gonna throw the AEW title on him probably.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxK6fgcWIAAzoBO.jpg:large

[XL]

My post was neither facetious or lacking objectivity, it was a sarcastic knock solely based on the graphics shown in the tweet which is what I replied to.

Your reply was a detailed rundown of development timeframes, during which you made the same point, that the graphics can be made fun of.

Since you took my initial sarcasm as a serious statement, and put together a solid response that 3 years is "lightning fast dev time", I then agreed with you that 3 years would be considered a "Rushed Release".

I found it a comical situation that while arguing against my sarcastic statement, you basically came to the same conclusion. That is not me being intellectually dishonest, that is you being heedless.

Dunno man, facetious casts you in a better light than sarcastic.

[XL]

except youve said several times in this thread that 3 years is a ridiculously long time. So either you were being facetious or you've abandoned any attempt to hide your lack of objectivity and are just openly dog piling from any angle you can must.


So take your pick, sarcasm or intellectually dishonst

Also, HOW FUCKING DARE YOU DESTOR!

This is Xrod we’re talking about! The last bastion of fair and objective thinking on AEW. Mr Good Faith himself.

This is libellous, sir.

[screech]

Graphics have never been a big deal for me, especially in rasslin games, so these screenshots wouldn't deter me from getting the game.

But they do look atrocious lol

[Mr. Nerfect]

Adam Cole doesn’t just look thin. Something looks wrong. Like, my instincts to care for other people are triggered when I look at him. I’m glad some other people see it. Hope he’s ok.

[Mr. Nerfect]

This game’s development hasn’t gone to plan. The developers leaving, the roster being so out of date, the graphics being so shit. You can talk about the development cycles for better games all you want — I think everyone knows the plan was to have the game out by now. And it was Omega who told THQ Nordic to throw out their engine and start from scratch. He’s made unnecessary work for them from the beginning.

I’m telling you — this is going to play like shit too. It can emulate the controls and attempt No Mercy vibes all it wants. It’s going to be clunky and out of date. It won’t be able to capture the rush of the N64 games.

They’ve been very careful with what they’ve shown you. In that gameplay demo with Orange Cassidy and Evil Uno, you can tell how fiddly those controls are.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Just saw the gameplay demo the MJF and Jungle Boy grabs are from. Holy shit.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Not going to lie — it’s starting to get a “so bad it’s good” vibe. I want to see more lol.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Even the UI looks terrible lol.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Very glad that Abadon has made the final cut for this game. Very important to include her and Yuka Sakazaki.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I’m going to laugh my ass off if Frankie Kazarian ends up being in the game.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Or Big Swole.

[Mr. Nerfect]

What are the chances that there is no FTR but some of The Dark Order fucks are in?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Putting in Brodie Lee’s kid is something AEW would be out to lunch enough to do lol.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Come on, Bobby Fish

[XL]

Dude these are just Legend characters like you get in the WWE games.

[Lock Jaw]

Adam Cole doesn’t just look thin. Something looks wrong. Like, my instincts to care for other people are triggered when I look at him. I’m glad some other people see it. Hope he’s ok.

Just went to YouTube to see some clips... dunno... Adam Cole seems to look just like I remember he did....

[Mr. Nerfect]

Dude these are just Legend characters like you get in the WWE games.

?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Cole looks gaunt. Like his cheeks have sunken in. And he’s got these wrinkles on his forehead. There are shadows under his eyes.

[Mr. Nerfect]

People age and stuff. The guy is 33 years old. Tell me he doesn’t look 45 since he’s come back.

[Mr. Nerfect]

He looks “weathered.”

[The Rogerer]

Nerfect has me on ignore so someone please quote my HHH theory for him

[Mr. Nerfect]

Probably because Christian Cage is HAVING SEX with his wife.

[Lock Jaw]

I'd need to see some before/after pics I guess but I don't actually care that much. He does look bad but to my memory he always looked bad.

I remember for like the first few months of NXT, every time I saw him I was "surprised" and took a moment to be like "Oh yeah, he's that small"

[Destor]

My post was neither facetious or lacking objectivity, it was a sarcastic knock solely based on the graphics shown in the tweet which is what I replied to.

Your reply was a detailed rundown of development timeframes, during which you made the same point, that the graphics can be made fun of.

Since you took my initial sarcasm as a serious statement, and put together a solid response that 3 years is "lightning fast dev time", I then agreed with you that 3 years would be considered a "Rushed Release".

I found it a comical situation that while arguing against my sarcastic statement, you basically came to the same conclusion. That is not me being intellectually dishonest, that is you being heedless.I heard they changed the game title to AEW Wait Forever :lol:

[Maluco]

I think the most likely explanation is that AEW just doesn’t have any discipline, and there are enough examples to back that up.

Jericho was allowed to look terrible for a long time, Moxley was red and bloated, Cole is pale and lost muscle mass, Keith Lee has put on more weight. Even Kingston being pushed sends a clear message “it doesn’t really matter what you look like here in AEW!”

[Destor]

Very accurate

[Helmsphere]

Even Toni Storm who was super hot, looks like someone you pick up on the corner for twenty bucks.

[Helmsphere]

But not gonna lie, despite that Id buy that for a dollar.

[Evil Vito]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxL4YzYaIAEInpQ?format=jpg&name=medium

Ok Eddie looks way better there than that other pic

[xrodmuc316]

Yes Destor, that was another joke. You can tell by the laughing emoji :roll:

[Evil Vito]

https://imgur.io/a/1MMRiuL

Miro looks really good

[Destor]

Yes Destor, that was another joke. You can tell by the laughing emoji :roll:so nothing you say should be taken to have any value. You'll joke in both directions as long as the butt of the joke fits your stance.


Aka intellectual dishonesty

[Destor]

Fair enough. You're not a serious person and you dont have an objective stance. I can work with that.

[xrodmuc316]

so nothing you say should be taken to have any value. You'll joke in both directions as long as the butt of the joke fits your stance.


Aka intellectual dishonesty

Check this out

WWE just has no consistent logic. If a third World Title was necessary, shouldn't a third set of Tag Titles be necessary? If Roman's 2 titles are Smackdown exclusive, why can K.O. and Sami go between shows. If the Women's tag titles had to be vacated, why are they ignoring the NXT Women's tag champions, who are exclusive to Smackdown.

It is WWE's randomness of sticking to their own logic and rules that is absolutely ridiculous lol

Why aren't you in that thread questioning my stance? Seems like YOU are only taking offense when it fits your stance...

[#1-norm-fan]

We need STD back to explain the logic behind xrod’s baffling responses.

[Destor]

This logic does not resemble our earth logic

[Destor]

You do you though xrod. I know all i need to know. Im good on this.

[Lock Jaw]

Had an AEW dream last night....

Was watching a big PPV live in person... Daniel Bryan vs MJF was the main event and I remember thinking it was a pretty good match but was starting to drag at the end with too much shenanigans... I forget exactly what they were but it was extremely overbooked and MJF won....

But then post-match some mysterious music hit, light show... and then a bunch of straw hats held out by the crowd that were taken away to reveal the highly anticipated debut of.... some old man with a big grey beard.

The fans around me and in the arena were going absolutely nuts and I was just like "who the f is this" before realizing that it was none other than... RICK STEINER! I was just like "wtf" at making their main event drag out and be anti-climactic only to build the PPV to debuting Rick Steiner in 2023, but everyone was just going bananas, and Tony Khan came out and stomped his feet while announcing Steiner/MJF for the next event.

Anyways, then the dream took quite a turn where a bunch of fans were murdered on the highway whilst walking home, and I was driving back weaving around their corpses....

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'd need to see some before/after pics I guess but I don't actually care that much. He does look bad but to my memory he always looked bad.

I remember for like the first few months of NXT, every time I saw him I was "surprised" and took a moment to be like "Oh yeah, he's that small"

I get where you’re coming from with that. I used to be shocked when I saw him too. But this is just a new level. He used to remind me of someone in “basic guy” shape. But now he looks sick.

[Mr. Nerfect]

TV is an aesthetic business to some degree. There’s area where it doesn’t matter exactly how “great” you look, conventionally. But when your look is a problem, it’s a problem.

[Destor]

Had an AEW dream last night....

Was watching a big PPV live in person... Daniel Bryan vs MJF was the main event and I remember thinking it was a pretty good match but was starting to drag at the end with too much shenanigans... I forget exactly what they were but it was extremely overbooked and MJF won....

But then post-match some mysterious music hit, light show... and then a bunch of straw hats held out by the crowd that were taken away to reveal the highly anticipated debut of.... some old man with a big grey beard.

The fans around me and in the arena were going absolutely nuts and I was just like "who the f is this" before realizing that it was none other than... RICK STEINER! I was just like "wtf" at making their main event drag out and be anti-climactic only to build the PPV to debuting Rick Steiner in 2023, but everyone was just going bananas, and Tony Khan came out and stomped his feet while announcing Steiner/MJF for the next event.

Anyways, then the dream took quite a turn where a bunch of fans were murdered on the highway whilst walking home, and I was driving back weaving around their corpses....you stopped typing just as it was getting good

[Lock Jaw]

Didn't remember much more... I remember being creeped out and just wanting to get home, but for some reason getting stuck in some small creepy town instead....

[#1-norm-fan]

What kind of vehicle were you driving? Were you unable to just drive over the bodies or was it a “respect for the dead” thing?

[Lock Jaw]

Police were already on the scene and had it all roped off and there were a crowd of cops/CSI around.... but only in one lane, so had to weave my car in and out of lanes, and really slow down so I got a good eyeful of each corpse....

[Destor]

A believe the dead represent how you feel about AEW and its product. Rick Stiener shows up, a decaying relic cheering by his mindless drones, this is a stand in for their roster. A vanila every man if you will that could be any of their geriatric spandex clad talents. He is the murderer of all those people and the audience corpses left in their wake. And you are the walking dead shuffling through the remains just trying to endure it all without having to bare true witness to the horror.

Xrod will back me up on this

[Tom Guycott]

Moxley was red and bloated,

:STONE TEMPLE PILOTS INTENSIFIES:

[Evil Vito]

Seems like AEW's answer to the roster reveal that 2k used to do for their game is to put out a few trailers a day showcasing different guys in action.

Eddie being the first one though is 100% in response to that ill-timed, ill-lighted pic that surfaced over the weekend lol

In this footage he looks right on par with anyone else that's been unveiled based on the arcadey style graphics they went with. I fucks with the spinning backfist.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">He will put you in the ground and smile! You can play as &quot;The Mad King&quot; Eddie Kingston in AEW: Fight Forever!<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWFightForever?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWFightForever</a> is available June 29, 2023!<br>For more info: <a href="https://t.co/Nv3IuMUZtf">https://t.co/Nv3IuMUZtf</a> <a href="https://t.co/8SnG7caG0u">pic.twitter.com/8SnG7caG0u</a></p>&mdash; AEW Games (@AEWGames) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEWGames/status/1663940189415243777?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 31, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">TIME FOR ANOTHER SUPERKICK PAAAARTY! You can play as Matt Jackson in AEW: Fight Forever! 🦌<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWFightForever?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWFightForever</a> is available June 29, 2023!<br>For more info: <a href="https://t.co/Nv3IuMUZtf">https://t.co/Nv3IuMUZtf</a> <a href="https://t.co/geypOi2BuH">pic.twitter.com/geypOi2BuH</a></p>&mdash; AEW Games (@AEWGames) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEWGames/status/1663954920985317376?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 31, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Mr. Nerfect]

What arcade game does this remind you of?

[Damian Rey 2.0]

So far everything looks really fun. Hoping it’s good.

[xrodmuc316]

That is way more hair then Nick Jackson has had in a decade!

[GD]

What arcade game does this remind you of?

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[Sting Fan]

The Bucks have too much hair and the streamers during there entrance dont even hang off them in real life. How can anyone expect this fucking company to buy in with this level of absurdity in a game!

But seriously, it looks fun. How it feels to play will be the deal breaker I think based on whats been seen so far. If it ticks all the visual boxes in its style which it seems too then its all down to controls and the game flowing as you play.

I havent purchase a game since NBZ2k21 so not sure if I will spend on this but stranger things have happened. I am probably due for a wrestling game again.

[Destor]

What arcade game does this remind you of?thats not what arcade means in this context. Arcadey is more in line with surrealism vs naturalism. Arcadey is more concerned with with continuous action for the player oppposed to that of a simulation focused game; one that would focus on creating something that visually looked like the flow of a wrestling match for example. Like the current line of WWE game theyve been putting out the last... decade or two?


You pick up street fighter for example its a reasonably fast game. You're going or reacting from the start of the round to the end. Its not reflective of anything being from an arcade.

[Destor]

Love the hand animatied moves btw. Everything has a real pop. You dont get that with mocap for obvious reasons.

[Vastardikai]

Ricky Starks is counting the days. And they had a meeting over it.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Apparently you can ride a skateboard in the game

[Damian Rey 2.0]

https://www.ign.com/articles/aew-fight-forever-the-final-preview

[weather vane]

Looks sick.

[Evil Vito]

Branching, No Mercy inspired story mode sounds really fun.

[Evil Vito]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxjVZTYXwAcBM0M?format=jpg&name=medium

So that's Chuck Taylor, Dustin Rhodes, Jeff Hardy, John Silver, Lance Archer, Luchasaurus, and Malakai Black confirmed who weren't announced previously.

Gotta say, I feel for Evil Uno right now. Guy is a day one AEW signing, a massive gamer, does tons of work for the AEW Games department including a lot of streaming, and he's been promoting this game heavily through all its various builds and appearances at conferences. At one point he'd said what a dream it would be for him to play as himself in a game.

To not make the game while his stablemate does has gotta sting. Objectively Silver is the most popular of the group, but it still is a bit shit.

[XL]

Matt Hardy and “Broken” Matt Hardy are pre-order bonus.

3 packs of DLC seem to include 2 wrestlers per pack and extra mini games (cos that’s what you should have been spending your time on).

Entrances last about 10 seconds each.

No 3 v 3 matches…for a company with a Trios division.

Not sure if this is from a full build or not.

[Sting Fan]

https://www.ign.com/articles/aew-fight-forever-the-final-preview

That looks like a lot of fun. Story mode sounds cool but im wary the reviewer said he never really got that far into it so feels like a bit of his hopes for it coloring that review.

But overall it looks fun.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The game sounded shit, but then I heard “Broken” Matt Hardy is in and my mind has been successfully changed.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Yeah it looks like a lot of fun and a game I’ll be able to play with my kids. I still wanna see what the CAW feature is like because for me, that’s always been half the fun. Have they released the full roster yet?

[Destor]

Im def curious what the CAW features end up being but thats such a huge undertaking i cant imagine its very deep. Hopefully its on par with WM2k or so. I dont see myself engaging with CAWs too much. If im going that route I'll play fire pro.

[Destor]

I dont want to make a thread for but since were at the top of the page Wrestle Quest got a release date. August 8th. Here's the announcement trailer, looks the best kind of stupid:


https://youtu.be/bY5xsVgDHxY

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I Wonder if they’ll have the option to graph your face onto the CAW. I honestly wish more games did that instead of trying to mold it yourself. We shall see.

Add it stands everything looks great and I’m hoping it’s good.

[Destor]

I just hope the buttons feel good

[Evil Vito]

Have they released the full roster yet?

Not yet but most of it has been cobbled together either by footage, a glimpse of the character select screen, people appearing on the title screen etc.

As far as I can tell they are up to 46 confirmed for the base game:

-Adam Cole
-Adam Page
-Andrade El Idolo
-Brian Cage
-Brodie Lee (Unlockable)
-Bryan Danielson
-Christian Cage
-Chuck Taylor
-CM Punk
-Cody Rhodes
-Darby Allin
-Dustin Rhodes
-Eddie Kingston
-Jeff Hardy
-John Silver
-Jon Moxley
-Jungle Boy
-Kenny Omega
-Lance Archer
-Luchasaurus
-Malakai Black
-Matt Jackson
-Miro
-Nick Jackson
-Orange Cassidy
-Owen Hart (Unlockable)
-PAC
-Paul Wight (Unlockable)
-Pentagon Jr.
-Rey Fenix
-Ricky Starks
-Sammy Guevara
-Scorpio Sky
-Sting
-Wardlow

-Abadon
-Aubrey Edwards (Unlockable)
-Britt Baker
-Hikaru Shida
-Jade Cargill
-Kris Statlander
-Nyla Rose
-Riho
-Ruby Soho
-Thunder Rosa
-Yuka Sakazaki

One of the achievements is to win a match with at least 50 wrestlers, so I'd think they'd have to give you 50 in the base game. Trent is surely in there. William Regal pops up as the in-game tutorial guide so I'd imagine a playable version of him is in there as a lockable legend. Wouldn't rule out guys like Arn or Taz being in-game legends too.

In addition to them, 2 versions of Matt Hardy are the pre-order bonus/presumably you could buy him if you're a completionist. And the first "season" of DLC includes FTR, Danhausen, Hook, Keith Lee, and The Bunny.

[Evil Vito]

I really have no idea what they were thinking making Matt Hardy the pre-order bonus.

Like, Jeff would've made a lot of sense for a spot like that. He showed up later than anyone else in the game so it would've been justifiable. Plus, it's Jeff Hardy. He's perpetually over. I could quite easily see people who didn't pre-order spending a couple extra bucks to add him to their game.

Instead they went out of their way to get Jeff into the base game only to make the less popular half of the team and the guy who has been in AEW for 3 years a bonus character. Really makes no sense. Hell, have Broken Matt in the base game and make both Hardys the bonus, even that would've made more sense.

But just making Matt the pre-order doesn't incentivize anyone who wasn't already getting the game.

[XL]

Dude these are just Legend characters like you get in the WWE games.

?

You know in the WWE games you get RVD, Doink, Bret, Shawn, etc as Legend characters? Well in this you get Abadon, Cody, Lance Archer, and Miro. AEW is 4 years old, of course their legends don’t go back as far.

[Lock Jaw]

But just making Matt the pre-order doesn't incentivize anyone who wasn't already getting the game.

It already swayed Noid

[Frank Drebin]

I'm a sucker for the bells and whistles so I hope the entrances can be more than 10 seconds.

Otherwise it looks really good so far. Everyone has been clamoring for a No Mercy style game and this looks to be just that. Hope it isn't a mess at launch and gets off to a good start.

[Mr. Nerfect]

You know in the WWE games you get RVD, Doink, Bret, Shawn, etc as Legend characters? Well in this you get Abadon, Cody, Lance Archer, and Miro. AEW is 4 years old, of course their legends don’t go back as far.

Oh I see lol. I thought you were making a point like that, but I just had to be sure.