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[TheAdamEvansFan]

In WCW, people like Kidman, Rey, and others excelled in the ring due to the cruiserweight division.

In WWE, along with the Tag Team Division and Factions, the Cruiserweight Division isn't happening.

Now, with the end of Cena's big face run and with new smaller talent being recruited due to McMahons Senate run, is it time to bring back the CRUISERWEIGHT DIVISION/TITLE?

Most of the Titles are being combined.... Should they give the fans what they want?

The Fan

[Shadow]

You're stupid.

[CSL]

The good old fashioned way aka being bought up to the main roster when the time is right.

[CSL]

And NXT is finishing?

[Destro 2.0]

The will just flow on into there WWE has been getting better on pushing new talent unlike 2 years ago where news guys debut and you wonder who the fuck they are. When they make there entrance alls you here is crickets chirp. Like with some of them they are taking there time making them into stars.

[Destro 2.0]

How many threads are you creating today and who the fuck is Adam Evans?

[MrMyc]

Gotta disagree there. I don't remember for sure whether smackdown used to be taped or not but i do remember being almost as excited for it as i was for raw before the brand split. It was a great way to further develop story lines. I hate how there are so many ppvs now with barely any build up. 2 weeks between ppvs is ridiculous. One ppv a month with 2 shows developing storylines a week. Best way to go in my humble opinion.

[Destro 2.0]

Who the fuck is Adam Evans?

[MrMyc]

Sorry got a little off topic there. If the shows are consistently good, most people will tune in, taped or not

[Fignuts]

Not to mention Kaval and eventually Alex Koslov.

[BollywoodSingh]

Since the end of Tough Enough, ECW, and now NXT, one has to wonder how they will write in new talent.

Will there be BATTLE ROYALS with the winner recieving a match vs a wwe superstar?

What's your ideas to incorporate new talent into Raw or Smackdown?

The Fan

Tough Enough didn't feature WWE's developmental talent. It was people who applied directly to be on that show.

If NXT is done, then bringing up talent to the main roster will be the same as it always was. What do you think they did before NXT debuted earlier this year?

[Destro 2.0]

I look forward to Adam Evans getting crushed by the Big Show on Smackdown one day

http://www.adamevans.tv/


I mean just look at the guy he has jobber written all over him. I think he could take the KO punch very well.

[Chavo Classic]

Smackdown is much better than Raw.

[The Pope]

I look forward to Adam Evans getting crushed by the Big Show on Smackdown one day

http://www.adamevans.tv/


I mean just look at the guy he has jobber written all over him. I think he could take the KO punch very well.

:rofl::y:

[CWK]

Since the end of Tough Enough, ECW, and now NXT, one has to wonder how they will write in new talent.

Will there be BATTLE ROYALS with the winner recieving a match vs a wwe superstar?

What's your ideas to incorporate new talent into Raw or Smackdown?

The Fan

Ummmm FCW talent will get to the main WWE roster the same way they did before NXT came along, they will just be called up. I could use examples like John Cena, Randy Orton, Batista, Brock Lesnar, etc. who all spent lengthy time in developmental before they came up to WWE, you know, back when WWE actually had a developmental system that actually developed the wrestlers and sent 99% of them up to the main roster when the time was right. Those days.

[Xero]

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[The Pope]

Oh.

[The Pope]

The same way it's been for the past what is it like 10 years?

[Destro 2.0]

I would bring them in like Alberto Del Rio but not give them the push he is getting. Just a seminal push enough for them to be noticed or Bryan Danielson push where they wrestle one of the top stars and take them to the limit and of course have the top guy go over. Thats one way of introducing them.

[The Pope]

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[Destro 2.0]

For anyone who didn't see it.



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[BizarroKing]

SD!=More actual wrestling
Raw=More entertainment

[BizarroKing]

Introducing them via vignettes.

[Destro 2.0]

Nothing has really been said about getting rid of NXT just yet but this all Diva show might have given it the death blow. I haven't watched but between all the talk on here and all the reviews on the internet. Things aren't looking good. I mean the only time I thought about watching it was when they had the Huge bitch.

[The Pope]

Two guys who's gimmick they f'ed up:
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[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I don't think NXT is ending tbh. I think somebody genuinely thought an All-Divas NXT was a good idea, but once Aloisia got pulled they realized it wouldn't really work. The first show was also slightly more "serious" than Weeks 2 and 3 were. After the first week, they decided to make it a joke because it would never be credible.

Word is it's going to be a WWE.com exclusive. They wouldn't bother doing that if they didn't want to keep the show going for the future.</font>

[Jeritron]

I think it's too much pumping in a new NXT rookie every few months, not to mention all of the others who don't win that get on the roster.

They should do NXT as a season, once a year. Maybe then they will have an easier time finding a channel to carry it too.
If it ran as a summer series it would probably have a home, rather than being year round.

It's just a bit of a stretch. Wade Barret hasn't even used his title shot yet and we're on Season 3.

Plus you can only go so long with the quality of Barret, Danielson and Kaval.
Eventually they'll reach the bottom of the barrel.

[Jeritron]

So yea, like CSL said. The old fashioned way.

I'd rather see guys who are ready brought up through individual means, like Alberto Del Rio and Sheamus.

NXT having one winner a year would also make it mean way more.

[Emperor Smeat]

I think it's too much pumping in a new NXT rookie every few months, not to mention all of the others who don't win that get on the roster.

They should do NXT as a season, once a year. Maybe then they will have an easier time finding a channel to carry it too.
If it ran as a summer series it would probably have a home, rather than being year round.

It's just a bit of a stretch. Wade Barret hasn't even used his title shot yet and we're on Season 3.

Plus you can only go so long with the quality of Barret, Danielson and Kaval.
Eventually they'll reach the bottom of the barrel.

That has been a big problem with the WWE ever since they started with Tough Enough in the fact they just hire the majority of people or they rush through multiple seasons instead of spacing them out.

It makes the whole idea of making it a contest or the goal of 1 person gets a dream job in the WWE a bit moot if everyone else gets hired.

[Jeritron]

WWE never sticks to their guns on stuff like that, and it really defeats gimmicks. They also just run things into the ground.
I really think NXT was gold when it started but 3+ "seasons" a year is ridiculous. Seems like they can never discipline themselves to do things in moderation and preserve for the better in the long run.

[Emperor Smeat]

Somehow I see this as not being too great of news. When WWE was focusing on RAW and forgetting about Smackdown, the writers for Smackdown realized the show needed to be wrestling-focused and less on skits or main event feuds.

They also realized the need to push more people since Smackdown was always going to lack amount of big name wrestlers in both quality and numbers.

Smackdown ended up developing really well into the wrestling-focused brand while also developing and pushing a lot more wrestlers in the mid-card and main event than RAW focusing just on a few wrestlers in the main event.

[DLVH84]

I think it is high time WWE should resurrect the Cruiserweight division and its championship from the ashes, like a phoenix. Raise the weight limit to 235 lbs. (the original Junior Heavyweight weight limit), and you'll have a credible division that will thrive and excite the masses.

Look back at the past champions like Brian Pillman, Jushin Thunder Liger, Scotty Flamingo, Brad Armstrong, Shinjiro Otani, Dean Malenko, Rey Mysterio, Chris Jericho, Eddie Guerrero, Ultimo Dragon, Juventud Guerrera...I can name all the titleholders between 1991 and 2008 (except Hornswoggle), they made the Cruiserweight division mean a lot and can be a mix of various wrestling styles, so it cannot be stereotyped to being listed as one style.

[Triple Naitch]

Think Mysterio is being utilized just fine with or without the Cruiserweight division. He was World Champion a couple months ago.

[Ultra Mantis]

Originally tweeted by CM Punk

Sitting here reading comics and it dawns on me that ian rotten owes me 1500 bucks plus like...7 years interest. Somebody do the math.

[Ultra Mantis]

I think you guys are missing the fact that Colin Delaney has his own wrestling action figure :eek:

Apparently WWE wanted to cancel it before it went to stores, but since Jakks had to create a special "no muscles" body mould just to make Colin's figure they would have lost a shit ton of money. :lol:

[Jura]

What's the interest rate?

[Mr. Nerfect]

The WWE are not capable of having a Cruiserweight Division and treating the guys in it as anything other than jobbers. It's sad, but Evan Bourne is going to be treated much better outside of being officially labelled a "small guy."

[Lock Jaw]

More importantly, what comics was CM Punk reading? :shifty:

[Xero]

Apparently WWE wanted to cancel it before it went to stores, but since Jakks had to create a special "no muscles" body mould just to make Colin's figure they would have lost a shit ton of money. :lol:

I seriously doubt they made it up in sales. Who wants a Colin Delaney figure?

[Next Big Thing]

The problem with creating a cruiserweight division is a lot of more talented guys, especially Mysterio, will view it as being relegated to midcard hell.

[Cool King]

Collectors?

[Ultra Mantis]

I seriously doubt they made it up in sales. Who wants a Colin Delaney figure?

Yeah theres no way they would have, but they would have lost even more money if they hadn't sold any to hardcore collectors or Colin Delaney.

[XL]

The WWE are not capable of having a Cruiserweight Division and treating the guys in it as anything other than jobbers. It's sad, but Evan Bourne is going to be treated much better outside of being officially labelled a "small guy."

[XL]

Given viewing figures for NXT and ECW (and even SmackDown! to some degree) I don't see there being much difference. Whilst some of us on here appreciated Jack Swagger (for example) on ECW and knew who he was, I guarantee there were was a much higher % of people that had no idea who he was the first time he popped up on Raw.

[Xero]

Colin Delaney is the one your crazy aunt gets you because it was on sale and she knew you like wrestling.

[Cool King]

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[Cool King]

The "Lee Carvello's Putting Challenge" of wrestling figures.

[Lock Jaw]

I seriously doubt they made it up in sales. Who wants a Colin Delaney figure?

I HAVE 52

[XL]

They always "push" a brand when they move networks by packing it with "Big Name" talent (wasn't that the original reason HHH moved to SD! with the move rto MyNetwork?) pretty sure they will lose interest after a couple months.

[Evil Vito]

I think it's too much pumping in a new NXT rookie every few months, not to mention all of the others who don't win that get on the roster.

<font color=goldenrod>I think Season One was really just an exception because they decided to do the Nexus storyline...and even then I could see several of them going right back to FCW if this angle ends. From Season Two you only have Kaval and Riley on the main roster. I don't really see anybody else from Season Two being up anytime soon.

Granted, they MAY have been planning on doing a Nexus-type stable with them, but their beatdown during the Season Two finale was so horrible that the plans were squashed. I honestly think McGillicutty might be on one of the main rosters right now if he hadn't cut one of the worst promos of all time.

From Season Three, most of the girls aren't ready so I doubt many of them are brought right up. And the ones that DO get the call will likely just wind up being valets for now except for AJ.

If each NXT season gets 2-3 new additions to the main roster while the ones that are clearly not ready go back to FCW, I have no problem with it.</font>

[Razzamajazz]

even our imaginary action figure promotions need jobbers

[BollywoodSingh]

I also don't think there's enough FCW guys to keep doing NXT seasons. Eventually, they'll have to have people being on multiple NXT seasons.

[Droford]

WWE Apprentice

just replace Trump with Vince

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Love that every time they switch networks they have to have a meeting to say "Hey guys we're gonna try to make the show good now."

[Supreme Olajuwon]

New talent will be carried in on Mason Ryan's broad shoulders.

[RatedGSuperstar]

Love that every time they switch networks they have to have a meeting to say "Hey guys we're gonna try to make the show good now."

And we end up with HHH vs. Great Khali for the WWE title at Summer Slam.

[BizarroKing]

I just hope they keep the current theme, or at least make a decent change if they replace it. "If you rock like me" was total crap.

[Damian Rey]

Love that every time they switch networks they have to have a meeting to say "Hey guys we're gonna try to make the show good now."

Which is kind of funny because when they don't put their "better" writers' focus on SmackDown!, it tends to be worse off, as RatedG alluded to.

Honestly, it doesn't matter what netowrk SD! is on, I've always felt it's been the better show. Every now and then, Raw will do something great like the Orton/HHH build, or the rise of the Miz. But SmackDown! is the truley better wrestling show.

[Damian Rey]

Who the fuck is Adam Evans?

Some no name schmuck, who, if I'm not mistaken, the originator of this thread comapred to Randy Orton at one point.

[TheAdamEvansFan]

Think Mysterio is being utilized just fine with or without the Cruiserweight division. He was World Champion a couple months ago.

You call watching Mysterio face guys double his size, on roids, utilized just fine?

You musn't have watched Mysterio in his days in WCW.

I'm talking about real wrestling, or as real as you can get in the ENTERTAINMENT business.

Wrestlers who are dramatically mismatched produce an uneven match up and an even worse amount of manuevers (with exception for people who can't wrestle at all, like Cena/ Big Show/ Kane/ Undertaker/ Khali/ etc...


And I disagree that you'd be minimizing their talent by putting them in such a division.

You give them a title, and a lot of hype, but not just on Smackdown, but on Raw too.

I'm tired of seeing RAW set up with a promo for the main event, a womens bout, and then the main event. What happened to the juice?

I'm talking about some solid match ups, youtube Kidman/ Eddie/ Chavo/ Rey in the WCW days and you'll see what I'm getting at.

If you want to build young, smaller guys, or even current stars like Rey, then put them in a spot where they can shine, not where it looks like a shoot and fake.

Max the wrestler to his potential, in his division. Look at Gregory Helms, Matt Hardy, Jeff Hardy, Charlie Haas, Shelton Benjamin, Rob Van Dam...

Although I'm an avid fan of these guys, I don't see them as World Champions, but as Crusierweight champs. I see them as the guys who run through the crowd, or jump off buildings for the people. I see them as flexible and capable of ACTUALLY WRESTLING.

Maybe that's part of the reason why they are gone, they are smaller mid card but with big fan bases, and they got stuck on Smackdown or ECW with no real push because WWE doesn't care about their size. TNA (WCW) is more prone to use guys like them.

If you're stuck on a show with Vickie Guerrero, YOU'RE BEING UNDERUTILIZED.

Leave the Main Event for people like Orton, Sheamus, Miz, etc..

[CSL]

lol 'stuck with Vickie Guerrero'. Yeah, cause she's not a heat magnet or anything.

[Destro 2.0]

You call watching Mysterio face guys double his size, on roids, utilized just fine?

You musn't have watched Mysterio in his days in WCW.

I'm talking about real wrestling, or as real as you can get in the ENTERTAINMENT business.

Wrestlers who are dramatically mismatched produce an uneven match up and an even worse amount of manuevers (with exception for people who can't wrestle at all, like Cena/ Big Show/ Kane/ Undertaker/ Khali/ etc...


And I disagree that you'd be minimizing their talent by putting them in such a division.

You give them a title, and a lot of hype, but not just on Smackdown, but on Raw too.

I'm tired of seeing RAW set up with a promo for the main event, a womens bout, and then the main event. What happened to the juice?

I'm talking about some solid match ups, youtube Kidman/ Eddie/ Chavo/ Rey in the WCW days and you'll see what I'm getting at.

If you want to build young, smaller guys, or even current stars like Rey, then put them in a spot where they can shine, not where it looks like a shoot and fake.

Max the wrestler to his potential, in his division. Look at Gregory Helms, Matt Hardy, Jeff Hardy, Charlie Haas, Shelton Benjamin, Rob Van Dam...

Although I'm an avid fan of these guys, I don't see them as World Champions, but as Crusierweight champs. I see them as the guys who run through the crowd, or jump off buildings for the people. I see them as flexible and capable of ACTUALLY WRESTLING.

Maybe that's part of the reason why they are gone, they are smaller mid card but with big fan bases, and they got stuck on Smackdown or ECW with no real push because WWE doesn't care about their size. TNA (WCW) is more prone to use guys like them.

If you're stuck on a show with Vickie Guerrero, YOU'RE BEING UNDERUTILIZED.

Leave the Main Event for people like Orton, Sheamus, Miz, etc..



So when is Adam Evans going to debut?

[Volare]

Are you seriously trying to talk about "real" wrestling? :rofl:

[DLVH84]

Are you seriously trying to talk about "real" wrestling? :rofl:

In some countries (for example, Japan, Canada, and Mexico), they treat pro wrestling as a legitimate sport, unlike the United States.

[Damian Rey]

I also don't think there's enough FCW guys to keep doing NXT seasons. Eventually, they'll have to have people being on multiple NXT seasons.

This. I mean, like any professional sports franchise harboring minor leaguers and prospects, you can only have so many future contributors coming down the pipeline.

I think what they did with Eric Escobar is useful in gaging a newcomer's talent and giving him a run. Escobar had his chance on the mic, in the ring, and even got paired with a heat machine heel, and, for whatever reason, he just didn't have it.

But you can't say they didn't try and give him a legit shot. Same way with the Hart Dynasty, though I feel they've been a bit misused seeing as what they have to work with and the writing behind them is abysmal.

[DLVH84]

The good old fashioned way aka being bought up to the main roster when the time is right.

Exactly, CSL.

[Damian Rey]

WWE and their writing staff isn't competent enough to have a cruiserweight division. It would basically be what the Divas/Women's title has been for years; an undercrad title that recieves few long term, well written storylines and real feuds with an actual payoff.

Guys like Evan Bourne shlould really be a staple of the midcard and an atleast believable contender for the US/IC title.

And you're an idiot. You remember what got Rey hella over in WCW? It was when he was being a "Giant killer".

Who the fuck cares about mismatches? The only thing that matters is whether or not the two guys paired together have chemistry and how them turn that chemistry into good/great matches.

Eddie vs. Rey when Eddie turned heel, at that point, was a mismatch in size. Guess what? Great fucking matches per usual. Do you even know what you're talking about?

[TheAdamEvansFan]

Hey Damian Bitch..

I suggest you read my material more carefully.

I was referring to wrestlers who can't wrestle or aren't flexible.

I referred to Eddie and Rey as being solid Crusierweight division wrestlers so therefore they wouldn't be a mismatch.

WHAT DO YOU CALL CHRISTIAN AND HIS SKINNY LEGS? Main Event Material? He hasn't been great since he left Edge, except for TNA but that's because TNA has nothing...

Same with Matt Hardy, ever since they split the Hardy Boyz up, his career has gone downhill.

Gather some cruiserweights, create a few stables, and let's get a war going like Nexus did, but with current established wrestlers.

Sure WWE did well with Nexus and the invasion, but why not go further? Put together these underutilized wrestlers and give them a storyline, taking back the WWE and their careers persay. Invade Raw, invade everything. Invade Nexus even. Give Matt Hardy run it. Use his crazy antics and put it into a current storyline. Then have some oldschool wrestlers like Finlay and Arn Anderson and other legends form a faction. Have these guys come out and tell these guys to stop complaining and bitching... Then you can have nexus show up and talk about all these has beens in the ring and it's their time.. I'm talking about having some solid wrestling storylines...

I can't be the only one tired of Mayo and Cena here..

Hate me but get real too.

The Fan

[Juan]

God, you're just awful.

[TheAdamEvansFan]

I know, but I'm entertaining too :-)

That's part of my GIMMICK Juan.

You outta know me better by now.

The Fan

[Destro 2.0]

I know, but I'm entertaining too :-)

That's part of my GIMMICK Juan.

You outta know me better by now.

The Fan

Hey you do realize we are posting on a forum and there really is no gimmicks here. I mean the people who claim to have gimmicks on here are the ones who are going to be the ones int he cross hairs to be banned.

[TheAdamEvansFan]

WWE Apprentice

just replace Trump with Vince

How about Dancing with the Wrestlers?

Might utilize the Divas since they flushed their careers down the toilet.

[Triple Naitch]

TAEF put me in my place.

[TheAdamEvansFan]

You must be new.

Hi I'm the AEFan.

I create topics that are controversial and sometimes not worthy of some of these trolls time.

Their reaction whether negative or positive, has no bearing on my reporting or questioning.

They don't kayfabe on me and I don't kayfabe on them.

If they don't give me actual answers to my topic, then maybe they outta be banned instead of being pricks who have an opinion of the person and not the TOPIC.

The Fan

[TheAdamEvansFan]

TAEF put me in my place.

Your Welcome.

[Damian Rey]

Hey Damian Bitch..

I suggest you read my material more carefully.

I was referring to wrestlers who can't wrestle or aren't flexible.

I referred to Eddie and Rey as being solid Crusierweight division wrestlers so therefore they wouldn't be a mismatch.

WHAT DO YOU CALL CHRISTIAN AND HIS SKINNY LEGS? Main Event Material? He hasn't been great since he left Edge, except for TNA but that's because TNA has nothing...

Same with Matt Hardy, ever since they split the Hardy Boyz up, his career has gone downhill.

Gather some cruiserweights, create a few stables, and let's get a war going like Nexus did, but with current established wrestlers.

Sure WWE did well with Nexus and the invasion, but why not go further? Put together these underutilized wrestlers and give them a storyline, taking back the WWE and their careers persay. Invade Raw, invade everything. Invade Nexus even. Give Matt Hardy run it. Use his crazy antics and put it into a current storyline. Then have some oldschool wrestlers like Finlay and Arn Anderson and other legends form a faction. Have these guys come out and tell these guys to stop complaining and bitching... Then you can have nexus show up and talk about all these has beens in the ring and it's their time.. I'm talking about having some solid wrestling storylines...

I can't be the only one tired of Mayo and Cena here..

Hate me but get real too.

The Fan

1.Eddie was never considered a cruiserweight in WWE, which, if you read my material more carefully, you would've noticed.

2. I call Christian a guy who literally on the brink of main event/upper mid card in 2005 when he was out popping half the Raw roster, only to be shipped to SmackDown!, jobbed out, and eventually leaving for a better oppurtunity.

3. Matt Hardy actually made something of himself with his V.1 gimmick. Pretty sure Jeff was nowhere to be seen. Then he got released, gathered a massive following, had an entire arena chanting his name despite not being on the company's payroll, and returned as the hottest face only for the writing staff to screw things up.

4. Forming two more Nexus like groups, one with younger/underutilized guys and another headed by a guy who can't go anymore (Arn) and a guy who has seen very little TV time (Finlay) isn't going to go anywhere. The point of a stable, if you have yet to figure it out, is to elevate one or two guys whom is thought of as a future main eventer. DX had Hunter, The Nation had the Rock, The Corporation had both of those guys, Nexus has Barrett, so on an so forth.

Banding a bunch of undercard wreslters together and having them ramble about wanting respect and taking what they want isn't going to work when you keep recycling the product to bring in new guys.

[CSL]

In some countries (for example, Japan, Canada, and Mexico), they treat pro wrestling as a legitimate sport, unlike the United States.

Yeah, and they're fucking idiots. It's a work. Only so many times you can be dropped on your head for the sake of realism. Ask Misawa. And these old guys like AA that still kayfabe everybody, trying to pass it off as a shoot still can fuck right off too. The only thing they succeed is doing is making themselves and the business look stupid.

[Destro 2.0]

How about Dancing with the Wrestlers?

Might utilize the Divas since they flushed their careers down the toilet.

Hey did Adam Evans make the cut in FCW yet? When are we going to see him Job to Hornswoggle?

[TheAdamEvansFan]

Who did WolfPac have? Who did Ravens Flock have? Who did the NWO have? Who were these factions looking to elevate? Please inform me!

I don't remember Konnans stable having the focus of pushing anyone except for showing attitude and mayhem.

Nwo was full of has beens, currents and very few, if any, rookies.

WolfPac was the same.

Not all FACTIONS/STABLES need to be formed as that of Evolution or others.

CM Punks stable is clearly to put him over, and so was Ortons, but it's not always the case.

Cash in NUMBERS.

Blame the writers all you want, but WWE is still #1 for a reason.

TNA has a lot of great wrestlers right now, but I have yet to see any decent storylines that'd make me want to go to another IMPACT.

[Destro 2.0]

You must be new.

Hi I'm the AEFan.

I create topics that are controversial and sometimes not worthy of some of these trolls time.

Their reaction whether negative or positive, has no bearing on my reporting or questioning.

They don't kayfabe on me and I don't kayfabe on them.

If they don't give me actual answers to my topic, then maybe they outta be banned instead of being pricks who have an opinion of the person and not the TOPIC.

The Fan

Lay off the meth

[VSG]

Courtesy PWI:

TITLE CHANGE AT TONIGHT'S TNA HOUSE SHOW IN NYC
By Mike Johnson on 2010-09-23 19:37:27

Amazing Red defeated Jay Lethal to win the TNA X-Division Championship at the Hammerstein Ballroom in New York City during TNA's house show, which is still going on at this time.
We will have a full report on the show on the site later.


Title change on a house show in this age.. GJ, TNA :y:

[Damian Rey]

Who did WolfPac have? Who did Ravens Flock have? Who did the NWO have? Who were these factions looking to elevate? Please inform me!

I don't remember Konnans stable having the focus of pushing anyone except for showing attitude and mayhem.

Nwo was full of has beens, currents and very few, if any, rookies.

WolfPac was the same.

Not all FACTIONS/STABLES need to be formed as that of Evolution or others.

CM Punks stable is clearly to put him over, and so was Ortons, but it's not always the case.

Cash in NUMBERS.

Blame the writers all you want, but WWE is still #1 for a reason.

TNA has a lot of great wrestlers right now, but I have yet to see any decent storylines that'd make me want to go to another IMPACT.

And with all thos stables, where is WCW now? The fact that WCW had that much talent poured into stables and could barely elevate and make any new stars is the reason they're out of business.

CM Punk has the SES to gain more heat and get himself more over than he was? Astute observation.

And Legacy was meant to build up DiBiase and Rhodes, not Orton, who was already over, and had already won the topt title and even retained at Mania. The reason it didn't work is becuase the writers didn't know exactly what to do with neither Rhodes nor DiBiase after the split, and they were relegated back to the mid card to be built back up.

WWE is number oen because they showed up and gave it their best when it counted most. Not hard being number one when you've literally bought out your primary opposition and have no other company any where near your level to pose a threat.

And TNA has really good writers? Really? Is that why they have the deepest, most talented roster, and can't figure out who's face, who's heel, nor have any consistently well booked storyline or feud?

[TheAdamEvansFan]

Blame the writers for Rhodes... But I blame Cody Rhodes. Unlike other "legacy" wrestlers, he lacks the mic skills, or the charisma to sell anything worthy to the crowd. He also isn't the greatest when it comes to his in ring ability. He's a mild C if best. He was decent when he first came to WWE as a face when he was turned heel, he became the back burner for Ted and Randy.

You're partially right about WCW's downfall.

But it has more to do with Ted Turner and the power struggle that led to awful storylines by that douchebag in TNA.

Not to mention that WCW relied on ex WWE stars.. Sounds like TNA too?

I would say that their stables/factions, tag team, and their cruiserweight focus made them stronger and viable vs WWE in the Monday Night Wars.

I was one who tuned into Nitro instead of Raw which was hard to do without DVR or TIVO.

And I was saying TNA doesn't have good writers. First thing they need to do, is to remove the owner from ringside. Doesn't provide much room for reasonal storylines when you have the owner of the company at ringside like it's a NBA game.

[TheAdamEvansFan]

Not sure, but when he does, I'll give you the play by play as I'll be backstage.

[CSL]

lol yeah, that'd go down well.

[Destro 2.0]

Not sure, but when he does, I'll give you the play by play as I'll be backstage.

Really thats cool I'm sure they will need lots of enhancement talent for the FCW shows.

[SOCCER LEGS]

tryouts, dark matches, being paired with superstars who are over...

[Droford]

TNA has just sunk to a new level..

Ric Flair got iced.

[Destro 2.0]

Courtesy PWI:

TITLE CHANGE AT TONIGHT'S TNA HOUSE SHOW IN NYC
By Mike Johnson on 2010-09-23 19:37:27

Amazing Red defeated Jay Lethal to win the TNA X-Division Championship at the Hammerstein Ballroom in New York City during TNA's house show, which is still going on at this time.
We will have a full report on the show on the site later.


Title change on a house show in this age.. GJ, TNA :y:

He still works there quick scramble together get that title off him now put that belt on Axel Rotten quickly you can't be putting titles on homegrown stars.

[VSG]

TNA has just sunk to a new level..

Ric Flair got iced.

Holy shit, you are right!

[Volare]

Why the fuck are half the new threads started by people with IQ's that are lower than three year old children?

[Damian Rey]

Blame the writers for Rhodes... But I blame Cody Rhodes. Unlike other "legacy" wrestlers, he lacks the mic skills, or the charisma to sell anything worthy to the crowd. He also isn't the greatest when it comes to his in ring ability. He's a mild C if best. He was decent when he first came to WWE as a face when he was turned heel, he became the back burner for Ted and Randy.

You're partially right about WCW's downfall.

But it has more to do with Ted Turner and the power struggle that led to awful storylines by that douchebag in TNA.

Not to mention that WCW relied on ex WWE stars.. Sounds like TNA too?

I would say that their stables/factions, tag team, and their cruiserweight focus made them stronger and viable vs WWE in the Monday Night Wars.

I was one who tuned into Nitro instead of Raw which was hard to do without DVR or TIVO.

And I was saying TNA doesn't have good writers. First thing they need to do, is to remove the owner from ringside. Doesn't provide much room for reasonal storylines when you have the owner of the company at ringside like it's a NBA game.

1. You blame Cody Rhodes for his current position in the company. Come the fuck on. He has no control where his character goes. And a mild C in the ring? Really? He's just as good if not better than DiBiase in the ring. And I'm leaning towards better.

2. WCW's downfall had nothing to do with Turner's power struggle and everything to do with the fact that they were losing big time in the ratings, had numerous ridiculously sized contracts, and a terrible direction for the product. Relying on the veterans is what killed them. People got fed up with the same old shit.

3. I apologize as I read "wreslters" as "writers".

Either way, I understand and can, to a certain degree, appreciate what you'd like to see with smaller and underutilized guys on the roster. But giving them a title that's going to be booked to be meaningless isn't going to make anyone happy.

No one gave two shits about the CW title when it was around after a few years. Why would they care now. What they should do is take guys like Bourne and give him a steady mud card and see if he can gather enough momentum to make an IC/US title run believeable.

[Destro 2.0]

1. You blame Cody Rhodes for his current position in the company. Come the fuck on. He has no control where his character goes. And a mild C in the ring? Really? He's just as good if not better than DiBiase in the ring. And I'm leaning towards better.

2. WCW's downfall had nothing to do with Turner's power struggle and everything to do with the fact that they were losing big time in the ratings, had numerous ridiculously sized contracts, and a terrible direction for the product. Relying on the veterans is what killed them. People got fed up with the same old shit.

3. I apologize as I read "wreslters" as "writers".

Either way, I understand and can, to a certain degree, appreciate what you'd like to see with smaller and underutilized guys on the roster. But giving them a title that's going to be booked to be meaningless isn't going to make anyone happy.

No one gave two shits about the CW title when it was around after a few years. Why would they care now. What they should do is take guys like Bourne and give him a steady mud card and see if he can gather enough momentum to make an IC/US title run believeable.




Dude he is troll you are just going to hurt your head doing this.

[Damian Rey]

Dude he is troll you are just going to hurt your head doing this.

:lol: I figured I'm atleast engaging in some menaingful discussion. Other than his witty play of words with my name he hasn't done much to offend me. I don't see the harm in discussing something and he's at least refraining from bringing up Adam Evans.

[Razzamajazz]

they're just living the stereotype of a typical rasslin fan

[The Pope]

He still works there quick scramble together get that title off him now put that belt on Axel Rotten quickly you can't be putting titles on homegrown stars.

He's not even in TNA...

[Destro 2.0]

tryouts, dark matches, being paired with superstars who are over...

The stuff they have used to get new talent over for decades..... This thread is retarded the poster is acting like WWE never created stars before NXT.

[Snowden]

Wade Barret hasn't even used his title shot yet and we're on Season 3.

Just a heads up, he actually did...he used it to get into the NOC 6 pack challenge.

[St. Jimmy]

by being part of John Cena's wrestlemania entrances! how else?

[Schlomey]

wonder what happened tonight on tna

[The Ravishing One]

The old fashioned way, with vignettes (good or bad)

Good

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Bad

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[RiX1024]

through vignettes, the "opportunity" storyline, a random run-in, being introduced by a superstar, as a plant and as a local guy who nearly beats the superstar.

[XL]

They don't kayfabe on me and I don't kayfabe on them.

The Fan
LOL. What?

As for bringing back the CW Title...it's not gonna work. If WWE can't get the US/IC Title over as something worth winning they are not gonna be able to do it with a lightweight title.

The likes of Bourne should be contending for the US Title - and may well be given that Daniel Bryan is now holding the belt.

Besides, who would make up the division? Bourne, Gabriel. You'd have to relegate Kofi, Christian, Cody, Rey, etc to even start with a Cruiserweight Division.

In short: Awful idea.

[RiX1024]

I'd love to see the cruiserweight belt back. Good idea.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>I wish Colin Delaney didn't already have a WWE run. Would be hilarious to see him on NXT getting his ass kicked every week with all his promos being how he hopes to stop getting beat up.</font>

[Mr. Nerfect]

This could be good if SmackDown! got some big name talent or something. But I hope they don't change the philosophy behind the show. I like SmackDown! featuring actual wrestling.

[Innovator]

NO big name talent. No Cena on Fridays dominating everyone. Leave Smackdown the way it is.

[Lock Jaw]

Odds are this:

http://dig.lib.niu.edu/gildedage/pullman/trainwreck.jpg

[The Jayman]

Why the fuck are half the new threads started by people with IQ's that are lower than three year old children?

they're just living the stereotype of a typical TNA fan

[Ultra Mantis]

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Looks like Carlito is back in his old gear. Back on the old gear aswell.

:rofl: @ using the Raw theme as his entrance music.

[whiteyford]

They wont, once the current rosters retire vince will just rerun old raws on a loop. :shifty:

[DLVH84]

SD!=More actual wrestling
Raw=More entertainment

Which is why SmackDown! is better. At least Michael Hayes know how to book properly.

[Damian Rey]

NO big name talent. No Cena on Fridays dominating everyone. Leave Smackdown the way it is.

:yes:

[Destro 2.0]

Adam Evans is what is going to make them step up there game when they move to Smackdown.


Then they need to hire this man


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He is 49 years old and living his dream. He is playing in a rock band.

[Swiss Ultimate]

I only watch CZW when it's live.

[The Ravishing One]

They wont, once the current rosters retire vince will just rerun old raws on a loop. :shifty:

Attitude era all over again?? yes please!

[Poit]

Wade Barret hasn't even used his title shot yet and we're on Season 3.

Didn't he use his title shot at Night of Champions?

[Swiss Ultimate]

I read that Shiima Xion may be going to WWE developmental.

I love that kid.

[Lock Jaw]

Isn't that the giant eyeball with tentacles from Marvel Comics?

[The Jayman]

Isn't that the giant eyeball with tentacles from Marvel Comics?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/fi/thumb/3/34/Mshvsf-shuma.jpg/250px-Mshvsf-shuma.jpg

Shuma-Gorath

[Swiss Ultimate]

...who did he fight?

[Lock Jaw]

All of the ladies of Marvel Comics.

[Lock Jaw]

Seriously though, no clue. I only know him from the Marvel vs Capcom games.

[Shadow]

Good lord you're the biggest retard on these forums. And that's saying a lot.

to the AdamEvensFan

[The MAC]

he can still go!

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[Xero]

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g122/sandman3g/51qEz1ZMYML.jpg

[The MAC]

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[Volare]

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g122/sandman3g/51qEz1ZMYML.jpg

Epic fucking Jericho picture.

[XL]

Would they consider moving Cena to SD! now they have Orton to headline Raw as a face?

[Lock Jaw]

He'll be back.

[VSG]

Thinking of going on a massive shopping spree tonight for wrestling related books or other memorabilia. Really tempted by that "Miz MITB" collector's item if still available. Anyone bought it? If so, did you guys receive it already?

[Emperor Smeat]

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[Jimmy Cones]

Furious and I are at AAW for Tyler Black's last indy show. Gabe Sapolsky is watching in a corner. Jerry Lynn is out with a back injury. Will be my first time seeing Chuck Taylor live. Hope its good.

[thecc]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

I don't see why not. Especially if they want to build to Cena vs. Orton at WrestleMania. Cena, John Morrison, Justin Gabriel, Evan Bourne, Goldust, William Regal, Gail Kim and Primo are the names I would move from RAW to SmackDown!.

[thecc]

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/2551/20100911cmlltf.gif

[Mr. Nerfect]

Damien Rey has been spot-on in here, and XL most recently, too. My problem with the CW Division was always this -- being Cruiserweight Champion should mean you are the best cruiserweight in the world, yes? Yet, at one point, you had Rey Mysterio as World Heavyweight Champion and Gregory Helms as Cruiserweight Champion. Who is top dog then? Instead of letting these guys feud over it, they just had Rey beat Helms in a random non-title match, and that was it.

The WWE are always going to have some smaller workers who are beyond being seen as "cruiserweights." Depending on where you set the weight limit, Chris Jericho, Christian, Kofi Kingston, CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, Justin Gabriel, John Morrison and Dolph Ziggler could all be considered "cruiserweights." Do they get snapped up into the division? Why? Why not?

A perfectly booked Cruiserweight Championship in the WWE could be fun, at best. It's much more likely it will keep certain stars down, rather than help them up, though. If there is no connection between a guy like CM Punk and the Cruiserweight Title -- what good does it do a guy 222lbs to hold the belt? I wouldn't mind some sort of "Cruiserweight Cup" being held every year, in which every guy 230lbs or under gets to compete in a tournament, of sorts, and the winner receives a trophy.

[Next Big Thing]

If they built the Intercontinental Championship and/or U.S. titles back up instead of putting it on young guys who can't get over or letting it sit on guys for months on end while they pursue other angles you don't need the Cruiserweight Belt.

There was a time where the Intercontinental Championship was almost as coveted as the Heavyweight belt. Shawn, Bret, Perfect, Diesel, Razor, Rock, Jericho, HHH.... all held that belt. They could build on that, restore it's glory and give that to the little guys who aren't plausible main eventers due to size/politics, but are still talented and entertaining.

[Xero]

Black Lesnar

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[Mr. Nerfect]

I think Daniel Bryan could be the guy who does that with the US Title. The WWE has a hard-on for him, this much is certain. He was victorious in the main event of WrestleMania, got a win over The Miz (which is harder to get these days than you'd think), and beat Edge most recently on RAW (albeit with the decision reversed). I think Bryan will get a decent reign with the US Title, as I can't really see anyone who could take it off him right now. Maybe Morrison, if they decided to turn him heel. A member of Nexus, if they disband, maybe. But I think Bryan could be a fighting champion who gets to go over even higher level guys -- which would be tremendous for the belt.

Dolph Ziggler is being given a bit of a Honky Tonk reign on SmackDown! -- but when it comes down to it, he can beat guys cleanly. We've seen him topple The Great Khali, Kane and R-Truth with his Sleeper Hold. The IC Title is always booked with a little bit more integrity under Michael Hayes than it is used to, though.

[Damian Rey]

I think Daniel Bryan could be the guy who does that with the US Title. The WWE has a hard-on for him, this much is certain. He was victorious in the main event of WrestleMania, got a win over The Miz (which is harder to get these days than you'd think), and beat Edge most recently on RAW (albeit with the decision reversed). I think Bryan will get a decent reign with the US Title, as I can't really see anyone who could take it off him right now. Maybe Morrison, if they decided to turn him heel. A member of Nexus, if they disband, maybe. But I think Bryan could be a fighting champion who gets to go over even higher level guys -- which would be tremendous for the belt.

Dolph Ziggler is being given a bit of a Honky Tonk reign on SmackDown! -- but when it comes down to it, he can beat guys cleanly. We've seen him topple The Great Khali, Kane and R-Truth with his Sleeper Hold. The IC Title is always booked with a little bit more integrity under Michael Hayes than it is used to, though.

Yes. The US title has taken a back seat for the most part, but the IC belt has been getting a good build for over a year. Started with Jericho and Rey, then Morrison had it and ran through Ziggler before dropping it McIntyre, who made Kolfi chase him forever, and Kolfi is now chasing Ziggler.

The fact that they've got established and young guys passionately vying over the title is making it seem like a legit big deal. I love Hayes just for the respect he shows for a once coveted title.

[Cool King]

Looks like The Nexus "N" is officially back.

http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/7493/braggingrights28201029.jpg

[Jura]

I thought someone said that was a fan made poster.

[VSG]

Unfortunately it is just that.

[BizarroKing]

I think Daniel Bryan could be the guy who does that with the US Title. The WWE has a hard-on for him, this much is certain. He was victorious in the main event of WrestleMania,

Did you mean SummerSlam? Bryan never competed at wrestlemania...yet.

[Schlomey]

too bad because that is bad ass.

[Jura]

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4056/4529175624_fcb94658e3.jpg

[VSG]

Triple H has lost some weight.

[Stickman]

Remember how shitty that division was back when they had it in the WWF? what would be any different this time around?

[Xero]

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Taker and Bearer rehearsing/pre-taping the crypt reactions.

[Dave Youell]

Music Video of Me!:

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[Xero]

http://cheezcomixed.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/d64cc496-37bb-4c90-9844-ade94157525f.jpg

[Xero]

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[Next Big Thing]

Yes. The US title has taken a back seat for the most part, but the IC belt has been getting a good build for over a year. Started with Jericho and Rey, then Morrison had it and ran through Ziggler before dropping it McIntyre, who made Kolfi chase him forever, and Kolfi is now chasing Ziggler.

The fact that they've got established and young guys passionately vying over the title is making it seem like a legit big deal. I love Hayes just for the respect he shows for a once coveted title.

That's the problem though. It went from Hardy (eventual main eventer/ Heavyweight Champion) to Jericho (main eventer/ heavyweight champion) to Kofi (dude was hot and proving himself to be a star) to Santino (possible mistake) to Regal (great worker great on the mic) to C.M. Punk (main eventer/ Heavyweight Champion) to JBL (main eventer/ Heavyweight Champion) to Rey(main eventer/ Heavyweight Champion) to Jericho to Morrison (upper midcard on the cusp of permanent main event status) to McIntyre (doesn't belong in this list), Kofi, and Dolph (doesn't belong in this list). I feel like the I.C. belt should be given to the upper midcard guys who are either on the cusp of main event status or could main event if given the chance and not to generic looking guys like Ziggler and McIntyre who need the belt to get their gimmick over.

If you want to give the rookies and guys Vince has a hard on for something to play with, use the U.S. belt for that.

[Cool King]

I take it you came across that video after reading the Clothesline/Lariat thread in the Q&A Forum?

I know I did.

[Xero]

lol yeah.

[Cool King]

http://poll.wwe.com/kane/

All of them are pretty bad. :-\

[VSG]

lol at the last one.

[Joesgonnakillyou]

http://poll.wwe.com/kane/

All of them are pretty bad. :-\

I think they're all pretty cool!

[Juan]

http://poll.wwe.com/kane/

All of them are pretty bad. :-\

the last one is pretty bad ass. Reminds me of a Misfits poster or something

[owenbrown]

Watching the replay of this week's Raw on Universal HD and listening to how much of a dick Cole is lately. Is he on his period?

[Xero]

A permanent one.

[Xero]

Cena's ultimate adversary:

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[VSG]

Well he is Lex Luther.. Oops, Lex Luger.

[owenbrown]

also Cole is gonna ruin The Miz for me with his "lovefest" Cole is a curse.

[CSL]

I watched maybe the first hour of RAW this week and actually found myself enjoying him in parts. He was dynamite during Danielson/Edge match with The Miz, entertaining as fuck.

[owenbrown]

Watching Super Cena job out 5 guys really makes me wanna fucking puke

[Destro 2.0]

http://poll.wwe.com/kane/

All of them are pretty bad. :-\

I choose the monster magazine one.

[Destro 2.0]

Speaking of Monsters



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[Juan]

As seen last night on SmackDown, World Heavyweight Champion Kane issued a challenge to The Undertaker and a casket was subsequently brought to the ring. Kane opened the casket, revealing Paul Bearer with a mystical urn. Undertaker emerged from a brief darkness, assaulting Kane, thus reforming the alliance between him and Bearer.

Regarding the return of the Bearer character to World Wrestling Entertainment, William Moody said today on his official website that he was first asked about returning to the organization four months ago. He agreed to terms with WWE and his contract became effective on August 1. His return was kept a secret as he was hidden backstage at Tuesday's television tapings in Bloomington, Illinois, so wrestlers didn't know he was there until he appeared during the show closing angle.

Moody also noted a clause in his contract which allows him to continue working independent dates as long as they don't interfere with his WWE commitments.

Here is his post in its entirety:

Where do I begin my friends? I guess we should go with the "Reader's Digest" version, since those of you that visit here often know I can ramble on and on. Let's just cut to the chase. About four months ago I recieved a call from the WWE creative folks asking if I had any interest in returning to the company. Of course this totally caught me off guard.

Just to step back for a moment, many are aware that my wife passed away from three battles with cancer, on January 31, 2009; and my life took some major turns following that tragic life changing event. We were married 30-years.

Since my departure from WWE at the GREAT AMERICAN BASH on June 24, 2004, I had virtually divorced myself from professional wrestling completely and returned fulltime to Funeral Service, which some may not realize that I have a degree in Mortuary Science and I am a legit licensed Funeral Director and Embalmer. I managed a small Funeral Home and Crematory here on the Gulf Coast.

In the early Spring of 2010, I decided to test the pro wrestling waters again, and began doing some independent events, autograph signings, etc., around the country to see if the passion was still there for me. Of course it was, and it will always will be. I discovered that doing these events took me away from the loneliness I was experiencing without my wife, Dianna. I was actually having fun again; and these days if it's not fun, you can leave me out of it.

During the six-years I had been away from WWE it would be a major understatement to say that many things had changed since I signed my first contract there on December 22, 1990. We started negotiations for my return. I still had many doubts if this was what I really wanted to do. Through much prayer, and conversations with my immediate family and close friends, I decided that if all the pieces of the puzzle fell into place, that this was meant to be.

I had to fly to Pittsburgh, PA and go through major physical and mental examinations; which to my dismay, all the results came back positive. My final question to myself was... "What would my late wife Dianna want me to do?". That answer was the easiest of all... she would say, "Get your ass back on the road!". So....

...here I am. My contract actually became effective on August 1st, and sworn to secrecy, it was extremely hard to keep so many of my contacts from knowing what the future was going to hold in store for me.

Many have asked for the details of my contract, such as it's length, even monetary details, and the like. Sorry you won't get that confidential information from me. I will say that a clause in my contract allows for me to continue working independent events, if I desire, and as long as they don't interfere with my WWE commitments. The bottomline is that I consider myself very lucky, at the tender age of 56, to get another chance at the top of our game. I am truly blessed.

My SMACKDOWN re-debut to the company was set to be taped this past Tuesday evening, in Bloomington, IL. Getting there, staying at a discreet hotel, sneeking into the venue, and hiding out in the dressing area until my time in the event came, is a story onto itself. Most of the wrestlers on the card that night didn't even know I was there.

A new era has begun in my life. And I have you the fans who made the Percy Pringle / Paul Bearer characters to thank. Notwithstanding, those within WORLD WRESTLING ENTERTAINMENT who continue to have confidence in my old school abilities. It doesn't matter if it lasts a week, a month, or five more years. It's all good.

As always, I do my best to remain accessable to you folks; and I do read and answer all of my email on a timely basis. Unfortunately, you may not get the answers from me that that you may desire. I just tell it like it is with no apologies.

[The Pope]

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[Emperor Smeat]

Inspired by the Clothesline vs Lariat thread, Stan Hansen Lariat of Andre the Giant during a match in Japan.

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[Destro 2.0]

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[Autobahn]

ZackRyder
EDGE IS NOW ON TWITTER! HIS NAME IS @ZackRyderIsMyBro4LifeAndHeIsNotAToolAndWeLikeToFistPumpAtTheClubs2getherWWWYKI
11:15 AM Sep 24th via web

[VSG]

lol

[Volare]

ZackRyder
EDGE IS NOW ON TWITTER! HIS NAME IS @ZackRyderIsMyBro4LifeAndHeIsNotAToolAndWeLikeToFistPumpAtTheClubs2getherWWWYKI
11:15 AM Sep 24th via web

That's funny as hell.

[Xero]

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[Xero]

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[The Pope]

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[Lock Jaw]

Loved how Simon Dean would make fat people in the crowd cry and then the cameras would zoom in on them as they hung their heads in shame.

[VSG]

Lol at Ryan Clark's latest post:

WWE Diva Attacked By A Giant Squid?, & More
By Ryan Clark on Sunday, September 26th, 2010 at 4:55 PM EST


– WWE Diva Eve Torres wrote last night on Twitter that she was attacked by a giant squid. She enclosed a gruesome photo of her back, which is littered with red marks.
To view the photo:

http://www.thewrestlinganswer.com/images/galleries/evesquid/1.jpg
He then says:

While the marks are legit, she said today that she was merely joking about being attacked by a giant squid. She said the marks are from a Chinese healing procedure called Cupping.
I would like to "Cup" her tits.

[Xero]

Cupping is used in BDSM.

Hot, she's kinky.

[VSG]

The only thing that came to my mind when you mentioned "cupping" and "BDSM" was this:

Warning given now, its not so disgusting as it is ugly.
http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2010-07-25/2342.jpg

Seriously, we need BARF tags.

[Juan]

wtf why would you post that?

[Xero]

That's pretty hot tbh.

[VSG]

I gave ample warnings, don't blame me.

[Juan]

gross

[VSG]

True, which is why I wanted to know if that's what Xero meant by his post.

[Xero]

It actually wasn't. They do do that, but also all over the body, as demonstrated with Eve's bruises.

[VSG]

How the fuck are those bruises on Eve supposed to be erotic? That reeks of sadomasochism. Oh wait, you mentioned BDSM...

[Xero]

Exactly.

[Lock Jaw]

Animated Gif time:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v603/theduelies/borderkim.gif

http://www.raspberryheaven.net/~evilcanadian/wwegifs/runtbotch.gif

http://content.imagesocket.com/images/superkick27bd.gif

http://img.waffleimages.com/87e53a2f0e90597bc95535c9edfb934587518062/superyoshitonic.gif

http://img.waffleimages.com/840a31377054c4a119fd8700b42350937c9f55aa/mickiemelinabotch.gif

http://img.waffleimages.com/5e69bdb5972ed5b2baf77ebb72de94c195dcfeb4/taker.gif

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h150/HulkaMat/144777_Kamasutra.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v603/theduelies/holyshitbannedmove.gif

Ok, I'm done.

[VSG]

I see Hernandez made time for a boob grab there.

[Savio]

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Should have kicked it instead

[Lock Jaw]

Natch.

[Xero]

Thank God he didn't headbutt it.

[Jura]

Must have felt like a huge idiot.

[Lock Jaw]

This is how you destroy a car.

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[The Pope]

Matt Hardy from yesterday.
<a href="http://twitpic.com/2sd4vg" title="Latest pic from the &amp;quot;No Red Meat&amp;quot; diet at 220 lbs..... on Twitpic"><img src="http://twitpic.com/show/thumb/2sd4vg.jpg" width="150" height="150" alt="Latest pic from the &amp;quot;No Red Meat&amp;quot; diet at 220 lbs..... on Twitpic"></a>

[Lock Jaw]

Totally sucking it in.

[Jura]

Looks like someone peed on his face.

[Ultra Mantis]

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[The Pope]

http://www.gifsoup.com/view/420383/angelina-velvet-sky-o.gif

[VSG]

DAT ASS and Mr Ass in the ring at the same time.

[CSL]

Good lord

[Jura]

I'm gonna cum later.

[Cool King]

http://www.raspberryheaven.net/~evilcanadian/wwegifs/runtbotch.gif

lol

[Xero]

The music for Lonestar's portion of this promo sounds awfully familiar....

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[Cool King]

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[Troelar]

I found a difference between Kane and Orton professionally. See vids.

See at 9:46. The ref is a bit too quick.
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At 7:20 - you've most likely seen it before :)
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As I see it, I'm pretty sure Orton would've gone nuts if what happened to Kane, happened to him. Kane > Orton @ being a professional. This of course isn't news.

[Cool King]

I found a difference between Kane and Orton professionally. See vids.

See at 9:46. The ref is a bit too quick.
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At 7:20 - you've most likely seen it before :)
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As I see it, I'm pretty sure Orton would've gone nuts if what happened to Kane, happened to him. Kane > Orton @ being a professional. This of course isn't news.

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[The Pope]

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[VSG]

What happened to the shitty thread on shitty threads that called for merge/delete of shitty threads? It got merged/deleted?

[Xero]

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g122/sandman3g/George_the_Animal_Steele_006.jpg

Foley likes him some Vitamin Water.

[VSG]

I never got the Vitamin Water gimmick. Unless you are in a race or something like that, just drink regular water you schmucks.

[Xero]

I drink XXX once in a while. It's pretty good.

[Xero]

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lolll

[Jura]

Who was the wrestler who got angry when the guy doing the interview called wrestling fake?

[Cool King]

David Schultz.

[Xero]

David Schultz?

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[Razzamajazz]

i love all those youtube videos that say they have proof wrestling is fake

[Cool King]

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lolll

Don't get The Edge mad!

http://www.mencap.org.uk/downloaddoc.asp?id=1354

[Jura]

David Schultz.

Nah, the one I'm thinking of was something much more recent than that.

[Juan]

I never got the Vitamin Water gimmick. Unless you are in a race or something like that, just drink regular water you schmucks.

It tastes good?

[VSG]

I am content with how water tastes by itself.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

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[Furious Beardsley]

Jericho re-tweeted this about the list that he named off tonight on raw, was anyone in attendance last week that can say if he named any off during the "break" or is this is the whole list?

Stone Cold Steve Austin
The Rock
Triple H
Kane
Shawn Michaels
Eddie Guerrero
Rey Misterio
JBL
the Big Show
Edge
the Undertaker "who I beat twice, might I add"

"The list goes on and on and on."

MVP
CM Punk

[break]

Invader I
Invader II
Villano I
(Villano) II
(Villano) III
(Villano) IV
(Villano) V
Juventud Guerrera
Apolo Dantes
Ringo Mendoza Jr.
the Great Muta
Masahiro Chono
Funaki
Fuyuki
Jado
Gedo
Yoshi Tatsu
Perry Saturn
Dean Malenko
Lex Luger
Sting
Ric Flair
Bill Goldberg
Booker T
Stevie Ray
Scott Norton
Buff Bagwell
Flash Flannigan
Flash Funk
Kevin Nash
Diesel
Oz
Scott Hall
Razor Ramon
American Starship Eagle
Mr. X (and cut off here)

[The Show Off]

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[Xero]

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[Razzamajazz]

he runs like an old man with parkinsons

[The Pope]

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[Jimmy Cones]

http://www.tpww.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=156&pictureid=1579

[The Pope]

Benoit with a Suicide Dive. ouch!
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[Xero]

There was once a suicide dive (I think) by Benoit and his reaction sent shivers down my spine. Like something wasn't quite right, and he just stared into the camera with this dead look. Can never find the video but it was fucked up.

[The Pope]

It seems like something would always go wrong with his Suicide Dives... and it wasn't his fault, it was just bad luck.

[Cool King]

http://yfrog.com/ncrr4z

:love:

[Xero]

Pretty ironic, too.

Though his final Suicide Dive was a success...

[Schlomey]

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stop him cole!

[The Pope]

Pretty ironic, too.

Though his final Suicide Dive was a success...

:'(

[Schlomey]

I don't think I have ever truly enjoyed a Benoit joke. I dont know why I just can't make light of it. Carry on.

[Cool King]

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stop him cole!

http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/9324/edge11.gif

[Schlomey]

way to one up me cool king. You are now on the list. ;)

[VSG]

There was once a suicide dive (I think) by Benoit and his reaction sent shivers down my spine. Like something wasn't quite right, and he just stared into the camera with this dead look. Can never find the video but it was fucked up.

He kept having the "I got a concussion" look a lot post 2005. Wonder how many were actually real.

[Razzamajazz]

http://yfrog.com/ncrr4z

:love:

too bad he didn't get into a car accident

[VSG]

http://yfrog.com/ncrr4z

:love:

This is so awesome, words barely describe the feeling.

[Schlomey]

Proof that he lives his role. I LOVE this.

[Schlomey]

So....are there any other wrestling message boards that don't suck out there?

[The Pope]

No, TPWW is the best there is, The best there was, And the best that there ever will be.

[Schlomey]

it is easily the best I have ever found just wondered if there was others like it that some of you belonged to.

[Xero]

This is the only message board I post on regularly, and this along with PWInsider are the only wrestling-related sites I go to on a daily basis. Though I don't bother with TPWW's front page.