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Rock Bottom

07-21-2011, 06:48 AM

It's funny you say that. WWE never had a problem with sponsors back during the Attitude era. If the sponsors were gonna walk, it would've been back when they were pushing the envelope. Sure, being PG makes them more attractive to sponsors, but WWE would find sponsors regardless. Did having DX make them unattractive to certain sponsors? Yes, but they also kept drawing in sponsors who knew WWE was popular enough to make them money. Success equals money, PG or not...

You're right, and I'll raise your point with another. I don't think Keith Stone gives a flying fuck about the PG era either. Also, I will bring this up again: t i m e s l o t.

Kiddy shit advertises at kiddy hours.

Beer and condoms at night.

VSG

07-21-2011, 09:06 AM

Such an ironic statement.

Aren't you supposed to be banned for a week, btw?:shifty:

He is now.

Cool King

07-21-2011, 10:24 AM

I'll never understand how professional wrestling fans can accuse MMA of being "two guys groping each other on the ground" or essentially calling it gay. Biggest case of the pot calling the kettle black there ever was.

I tired to watch MMA once and during the fight, the two guys were in the missionary position, just basically holding each other for about fifteen minutes. Nothing else really seemed to happen in that fight. :-\

To me, that's more gay than say, for example, putting your hand on a guys groin for around five seconds, in order to lift him up for a gorilla press slam.

How else are you going to lift him up for it?

I have no problem with MMA though. I'm just adding my thoughts to the whole "MMA Is Apparently Gay" thing.

I have friends who enjoy MMA and one who is an MMA fighter, who also enjoys wrestling.

What Would Kevin Do?

07-21-2011, 10:44 AM

Didn't Dana White once verbally attacked the WWE or wrestling in general around the time UFC got really popular in the mainstream?

I know he previous attacked boxing and tried to get viewers away from that sport but I believe he tried the same thing with wrestling. I think there was even a report one year of how less people were signing up to be wrestlers since MMAwas the new big thing to do.

Not that I've heard. Granted he's said a lot of things I haven't heard, he always seems to be pretty "respectful" of WWE. Not like he loves it, but he openly says he wishes he could do their numbers.

What Would Kevin Do?

07-21-2011, 10:48 AM

What Would Kevin Do?

07-21-2011, 10:51 AM

And for anyone who doesn't know what I'm talking about, it's the second to last move on this video. Not the best version of it, but still, gives you an idea.

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Imagine him feuding with someone like Mark Henry, and busting that out, and the ref stopping the match because Henry is out cold.

Xero

07-21-2011, 10:59 AM

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Mowes.

Kane Knight

07-21-2011, 11:46 AM

Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but when people claim that going PG helped WWE, they mean sponsor wise...they were going to begin to lose a lot of sponsors if they continued with the TV-14 content.

They already HAD lost sponsors. A lot of the adverts on Raw returned only after they softened their image. Which was good, because they were running fifty engine sludge commercials per episode of Raw and it was getting silly.

And despite it being"past their bedtime," there are a lot of kids watching from the audience anyway, so clearly it's not completely counterintuitive.

It's not even just sponsors, though. Kids are big merch movers. While the parents are the buyers, the kids generally pick the stuff. Selling kiddy friendly material is a big boost. Mysterio masks, Jeff Hardy armwarmers (when he's not in jail or TNA), Cena merch, it's big business. Plus there's action figures, home videos, and plush pillows so the wrestling forum can spoon CM punk as they go to sleep...:shifty:

It's really worth pointing out the ratings were declining before any of this happened, and will likely continue to decline no matter what. Wrestling is no longer hot with the 18-3Xs anymore. Viewrship is still relatively strong in the demo, but not as good as it once was. Why? MMA certainly doesn't deserve all the credit but it deserves some. Partially, though, Attitude Era fans grew up. It's one thing to shout "Suck it!" When you're fifteen, but when you're thirty, it's just sad...Or possibly a sex crime. People moved on, and WWE failed to pull in a new crowd sufficiently.

captaincharismark

07-21-2011, 12:55 PM

You're right, and I'll raise your point with another. I don't think Keith Stone gives a flying fuck about the PG era either. Also, I will bring this up again: t i m e s l o t.

Kiddy shit advertises at kiddy hours.

Beer and condoms at night.

Yeah, it's pointless to target the PG audience at an adult timeslot. Most of the sponsors for WWE are adult oriented anyway. So, in the end, WWE going PG really benefits nothing but merchandise. Every other aspect of wrestling now sucks due to the PG movement.

Besides, the only reason WWE wanted to go PG in the first place was to get Linda McMahon voted to the Senate. Having the squeaky clean image failed, so they might as well drop the PG crap...

Poit

07-21-2011, 01:04 PM

Besides, the only reason WWE wanted to go PG in the first place was to get Linda McMahon voted to the Senate.

[citation needed]

RiX1024

07-21-2011, 01:46 PM

Push Zack Ryder.

Gertner

07-21-2011, 02:09 PM

I think you're right, Feared, with more of an emphasis on your latter statement that getting those viewers back isn't impossible and needs a lot of work.

The WWE had to fuck up to lose those fans. And that demographic is not the only one that exists contributing to the empty space left by all those viewers.

MMA has been around for a while now. Yeah, it's bigger now, but honestly, the only factor it could really play is in the absence of a good product. You could simply watch both.

MMA also cannot speak to every reason people in that demographic or any have watched or stopped watching wrestling.

And just as a tidbit, if I understand correctly, a big part of the emergence of staged wrestling was because original wrestling began to get stale and boring.

Yes, but wrestling was "cool" back then. MMA is what is in now. MMA was a clusterfuck during the Attitude Era and once Dana White took over it gave those 15-18 year old kids something more realistic, plus the personalities in MMA are pretty close to those in Wrestling. It's one thing for Stone Cold Steve Austin to say he's gonna kick your ass, but it's another thing for Rampage to do it, because it's actually happening.

The WWE is going through a transition. Instead of focusing on winning back old fans which I don't think they can, they should continue to focus on creating new stars, but just do a better job of it.

DAMN iNATOR

07-21-2011, 02:16 PM

Bring back Triple H to in-ring action and have him win the WWE Championship in his first night back and have him hold it for 2 1/2 years straight...again [/James Steele style response]

Xero

07-21-2011, 02:20 PM

Xero

07-21-2011, 02:21 PM

Ermaximus

07-21-2011, 02:28 PM

Seeing that image of DB, and some of the other images that are floating around, they really could make him badass. Why aren't they making him bad ass. He needs to snap.

Hell, just have him head stomp someone to death, that'll make him seem real bad ass real quick.

I nominate Tyler Reks.

What Would Kevin Do?

07-21-2011, 03:03 PM

I nominate Tyler Reks.

That'll work... But he needs to hold him by his dreads then.

Cool King

07-21-2011, 03:15 PM

http://bitpoptees.1freecart.com/i/229810/cm-punk-chicago-we-want-ice-cream-t-shirt.htm

Someone has made some CM Punk T-shirts.

RiX1024

07-21-2011, 03:29 PM

Hire Chuck Taylor so he can scare the kids away.

RiX1024

07-21-2011, 03:30 PM

or re-hire The Boogeyman to scare them.

tjmidnight420

07-21-2011, 03:30 PM

They already HAD lost sponsors. A lot of the adverts on Raw returned only after they softened their image. Which was good, because they were running fifty engine sludge commercials per episode of Raw and it was getting silly.

And despite it being"past their bedtime," there are a lot of kids watching from the audience anyway, so clearly it's not completely counterintuitive.

It's not even just sponsors, though. Kids are big merch movers. While the parents are the buyers, the kids generally pick the stuff. Selling kiddy friendly material is a big boost. Mysterio masks, Jeff Hardy armwarmers (when he's not in jail or TNA), Cena merch, it's big business. Plus there's action figures, home videos, and plush pillows so the wrestling forum can spoon CM punk as they go to sleep...:shifty:

It's really worth pointing out the ratings were declining before any of this happened, and will likely continue to decline no matter what. Wrestling is no longer hot with the 18-3Xs anymore. Viewrship is still relatively strong in the demo, but not as good as it once was. Why? MMA certainly doesn't deserve all the credit but it deserves some. Partially, though, Attitude Era fans grew up. It's one thing to shout "Suck it!" When you're fifteen, but when you're thirty, it's just sad...Or possibly a sex crime. People moved on, and WWE failed to pull in a new crowd sufficiently.

Pretty much this. WWE had lost quite a few sponsors.

captaincharismark

07-21-2011, 03:44 PM

Yes, but wrestling was "cool" back then. MMA is what is in now. MMA was a clusterfuck during the Attitude Era and once Dana White took over it gave those 15-18 year old kids something more realistic, plus the personalities in MMA are pretty close to those in Wrestling. It's one thing for Stone Cold Steve Austin to say he's gonna kick your ass, but it's another thing for Rampage to do it, because it's actually happening.

The WWE is going through a transition. Instead of focusing on winning back old fans which I don't think they can, they should continue to focus on creating new stars, but just do a better job of it.

I do think MMA took the audience WWE once had b/c of a stale product. It's more popular now since it has more credibility. Once wrestling fizzled out and peaked, fans wanted some more exciting and realistic. MMA has the appeal of WWE with none of the bad rep.

Saying WWE could ever get the old fans back is a stretch, but they have to do something radical in order to attract new fans. For starters dropping the PG label and trying new things not kid targeted...

Cool King

07-21-2011, 04:37 PM

Punk. :heart:

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Emperor Smeat

07-21-2011, 04:58 PM

:lol: Triple H ignoring the Zack Ryder question.

:(

Juan

07-21-2011, 05:34 PM

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/001/096/636/vince-mcmahon-biography_display_image.jpg

Vince McMahon was listed at #83 in hip-hop magazine XXL's list of The Swag 100. According to them, the list shows "the top 100 most swagged out people in the worlds of entertainment, business and politics."

DAMN iNATOR

07-21-2011, 06:01 PM

Wayyyyy too long to copy and paste the entire article and everything else but find the article at http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6790423/good-lord-music
(http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6790423/good-lord-music)

muffalufagus

07-21-2011, 06:57 PM

tjmidnight420

07-21-2011, 07:28 PM

get rid if the pg shit.

Stop the PG shit.

Being PG doesn't help the shows out if most of the audience are adults.

WWE using the PG direction not only screws the product up, but limits everything.

I don't think Keith Stone gives a flying fuck about the PG era either.

For starters dropping the PG label and trying new things not kid targeted...

Vince: "I got it! Based on the overwhelming response of three of our viewers dropping the PG rating must be the answer to all our problems!"

John Laurinaitis: "We can't drop the PG rating. It's in our sponsor contract."

Vince: "What the hell? Who came up with that?"

John Laurinaitis: "You did, sir."

Rammsteinmad

07-21-2011, 08:24 PM

Lock Jaw

07-21-2011, 08:45 PM

@CMPunk
I just saw the Flash on a Segway.

@CMPunk
...and boy oh boy is @cobracommander out of shape.

Lock Jaw

07-21-2011, 08:46 PM

@CMPunk
Look what Josh Adams made me!!!! yfrog.com/khgrbkhj

http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg737/scaled.php?tn=0&server=737&filename=grbkh.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640

What Would Kevin Do?

07-21-2011, 09:24 PM

You know what I love about TNA right now? Christy Hemme's ring announcing. She sounds like the old Pride announcer, and it's awesome.

Cool King

07-21-2011, 09:43 PM

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/166/stingjoker2.jpg

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Lock Jaw

07-21-2011, 09:53 PM

http://www.tmz.com/videos?**************&mediaKey=ac18d673-e629-4f1e-a54b-8809d4b53e3b&isShareURL=true

Droford

07-21-2011, 10:12 PM

Why does the dumb ass referee do pushups with Steiner all the time...makes no sense.

What Would Kevin Do?

07-21-2011, 10:12 PM

Holy shit, Dlo got fat.

Droford

07-21-2011, 10:22 PM

Cody and Sarita lol

Sarita's mask actually just looks like a regular mask..bleh

captaincharismark

07-21-2011, 11:30 PM

For all the people who think dropping the PG will 'save' WWE, consider this: WWE didn't really turn PG until around 2008-ish... and for five years before that the internet has done nothing but bitch and whine about how the product sucks. Dropping the PG label and allowing blood and swear words will not instantly boost ratings. In fact, in this day and age, nobody will care except for the parents of all the children who watch WWE today.

Dropping the PG label is only one part of the solution. They have to get back to what made them successful. Developing new exciting storylines while starting to come up with new characters/wrestlers. I'd be lying if I said I thought WWE being PG was the only problem they have. Is it limiting their material? Absolutely, but they have creative issues that are deeper than the PG limitation.

While I do think being PG is a huge reason why WWE is stale, not caring about the fans opinion is as much to blame for ratings. So, to claim simply dropping the PG label will solve everything is wrong. The only way WWE will see improvement is with MAJOR changes. Not being PG is only one part of the equation IMO...

DLVH84

07-21-2011, 11:51 PM

I say drop the PG rating, stop rehashing storylines, and bring back the cruiserweight, women's (legit, not the bullshit they have), and tag team divisions that would breathe new life in WWE.

Aguakate

07-22-2011, 12:25 AM

I wonder if this whole CM Punk "thing" was Triple H's idea...after so many years of Vince NOT "nailing it" in terms of producing something BIG, I just can't accept he all of a sudden decided to push CM Punk to the moon like they did, and also, allow Punk to bring up all those subjects no one EVER dares touch, all that freedom of speech that not even Austin had...

captaincharismark

07-22-2011, 01:00 AM

I say drop the PG rating, stop rehashing storylines, and bring back the cruiserweight, women's (legit, not the bullshit they have), and tag team divisions that would breathe new life in WWE.

Bringing back the cruiserweight division is an awesome idea. That would give them better matches for TV if given enough time. It worked for WCW during the MNW's, and I'm sure alot of fans would get behind it. I definately don't think giving the belt to Hornswaggle and trashing that division did WWE any favors. Especially after building that division up for 8-9 years with talented guys. It wouldn't single handlely make the ratings what they were before, but having buzz about good matches certainly couldn't hurt....

Aguakate

07-22-2011, 01:09 AM

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Jordan

07-22-2011, 01:10 AM

You guys are ridiculous with this PG stuff if you don't understand how that benefits WWE financially. WWE seems to be doing everything exactly right at the moment, from the amazing CM Punk storyline which has so many possibilities including a possible match with Triple H, an ROH angle, Vinc McMahon's on screen retirement, the introduction of Triple H as the boss, possibly a new character in John Laranitus.

On top of that Daniel Bryan just won the MITB Contract and said he would cash it in at Wrestlemania next year which leads me to believe we may end up with Punk vs Bryan at WM 28.

R-Truth, Randy Orton, Rey Mysterio, Dolph Ziggler, Alex Riley, and Christian who seem to be on fire every time they step out.

Sure it's not perfect, but when has any wrestling program pleased you in every possible way. WWE appeals to a large audience not just 18 year old fat tits, aka you.

WWE is doing everything right at the moment. It's possible the CM Punk program could explode like the NWO did for WCW, it's possible it may not, either way WWE is on the way to making that moment happen for all of us again, just give it some time.

captaincharismark

07-22-2011, 01:19 AM

Tom Guycott

07-22-2011, 01:31 AM

http://i53.tinypic.com/neeqmc.jpg

Double take... the cammo looked like patchy chest hair!

Rock Bottom

07-22-2011, 03:14 AM

PG PART OF RATINGS PROBLEM

u cant d-ny it

it true n not ridiculas

U ridiculas.

Also, no one is claiming it's the one switch you hit to "fix" the WWE.

Stop trying to act like business executives. Not PG = more ratings, plain.

Rock Bottom

07-22-2011, 03:16 AM

On top of that Daniel Bryan just won the MITB Contract and said he would cash it in at Wrestlemania next year which leads me to believe we may end up with Punk vs Bryan at WM 28.

What

does that have to do with PG = ratings?

:rofl::naughty::naughty::);):cool::o:rant::eek::mad::nono::nono:hello.:-\:kiss::cool::p:cool:

07-22-2011, 04:20 AM

Yo, CSL, what was the Midweek Madness deal on silvervision.co.uk this week? I missed it, hope it wasn't something too good. :-\

#BROKEN Hasney

07-22-2011, 05:59 AM

http://i.imgur.com/lyizY.gif

Wait, so have they gone back to the 6 sided ring again?

Volare

07-22-2011, 06:17 AM

Nah, that was for Destination X. Just another "one night" thing.

BigCrippyZ

07-22-2011, 07:09 AM

Dropping the PG label is only one part of the solution. They have to get back to what made them successful. Developing new exciting storylines while starting to come up with new characters/wrestlers. I'd be lying if I said I thought WWE being PG was the only problem they have. Is it limiting their material? Absolutely, but they have creative issues that are deeper than the PG limitation.

While I do think being PG is a huge reason why WWE is stale, not caring about the fans opinion is as much to blame for ratings. So, to claim simply dropping the PG label will solve everything is wrong. The only way WWE will see improvement is with MAJOR changes. Not being PG is only one part of the equation IMO...

This! :yes:

Innovator

07-22-2011, 07:43 AM

steveaustinBSR (https://twitter.com/#%21/steveaustinBSR) Steve Austin by CMPunk

WWE should sign @SamoaJoe (http://twitter.com/SamoaJoe) as soon as his TNA contract is up. One of my favorite workers in today's game. Needs a full green light push.

Ermaximus

07-22-2011, 08:01 AM

The new Ryder shirt is now available on WWE Shop.

The Jayman

07-22-2011, 08:17 AM

I ordered the new Christian shirt last night

Schlomey

07-22-2011, 08:18 AM

Hugo should turn heel at the spanish announce desk.

Schlomey

07-22-2011, 08:36 AM

"you was a cheerleader!"
" I was a MALE cheerleader! What's wrong with that!?"

finally watching MITB PPV (at work) ...LOVING the SD MITB match!

CSL

07-22-2011, 09:49 AM

Yo, CSL, what was the Midweek Madness deal on silvervision.co.uk this week? I missed it, hope it wasn't something too good. :-\

The Greatest High Flyers or whatever it's called, completely forgot to post about it :o

Xero

07-22-2011, 10:45 AM

Double take... the cammo looked like patchy chest hair!

lol thought the same.

Xero

07-22-2011, 10:46 AM

http://botchedspot.com/comics/2011-07-22-cable-wrestling-news.jpg

DLVH?

Xero

07-22-2011, 11:14 AM

http://www.wrestlingfigs.com/images/Mattel_WWE_Comic_Con_2011/sdcc_2011_mattel_209.jpg

Malfeitor

07-22-2011, 11:23 AM

Del Rio needs a hug.

Kane Knight

07-22-2011, 11:38 AM

[citation needed]

Which will be difficult, since it's nothing more than a conspiracy theory that reached memetic mutation status.

Vince: "I got it! Based on the overwhelming response of three of our viewers dropping the PG rating must be the answer to all our problems!"

John Laurinaitis: "We can't drop the PG rating. It's in our sponsor contract."

Vince: "What the hell? Who came up with that?"

John Laurinaitis: "You did, sir."

XD. The only thing you left out is Vince firing someone over it.

Dropping the PG label is only one part of the solution. They have to get back to what made them successful. Developing new exciting storylines while starting to come up with new characters/wrestlers. I'd be lying if I said I thought WWE being PG was the only problem they have. Is it limiting their material? Absolutely, but they have creative issues that are deeper than the PG limitation.

The problem being that you can remove "Drop PG" from your theory of what will fix WWE and have the same result.

Is it limiting material? Absolutely, but only in the sense that barring hardcore porn in prime time is "limiting" network TV. Somehow, the networks seem to be able to draw good ratings anyway, though.

Gertner

07-22-2011, 11:46 AM

If Punk could say the word "bitch" ratings would jump into the 5's and that's a fact!

Rammsteinmad

07-22-2011, 11:51 AM

What they really need is Indifferent Clox and Jimmy Perez! That'll top ANYTHING the Attitude Era ever produced.

Lock Jaw

07-22-2011, 12:41 PM

They need to higher the head OCW writer.

Lock Jaw

07-22-2011, 01:03 PM

"Leftover Guys with an 'N'" get a generic new theme:

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Supreme Olajuwon

07-22-2011, 01:19 PM

We Are One :(

Rock Bottom

07-22-2011, 01:42 PM

attitude era = the word bitch

Kane Knight

07-22-2011, 01:53 PM

If Punk could say the word "bitch" ratings would jump into the 5's and that's a fact!

And if he were champion, ratings would jump to the high 6's...

whiteyford

07-22-2011, 02:21 PM

Yeah, it's pointless to target the PG audience at an adult timeslot.
TiVo/DVRs?

I don't get how being PG is limiting the product, because you cant swear/bleed? If thats the issue why isn't CZW overtaking Raw in the ratings? The Punk angle and the Nexus angle generated a buzz while remaining PG. Just a few months ago the general consensus was that Raw was actually entertaining most weeks. If you produce a compelling entertaining show then being PG shouldnt matter.

SlickyTrickyDamon

07-22-2011, 03:01 PM

We Are Done :(

Fixed.

Lock Jaw

07-22-2011, 03:09 PM

:lol:. So apparently AJ Styles named all of his sons with names beginning with "A" so they would have the AJ initials. In addition, he actually named one of them Ajay.

Me finding this out comes from me seeing a picture of Styles in which he seems to have got a ridiculous tattoo of "AJ" and the birth dates of his kids on his side.

Innovator

07-22-2011, 03:13 PM

WWE_Creative WWE Creative
See what our production team can do now that they're not spending hours fixing Sin Cara matches #ReasonsToWatchSmackdown

captaincharismark

07-22-2011, 03:59 PM

The problem being that you can remove "Drop PG" from your theory of what will fix WWE and have the same result.

Is it limiting material? Absolutely, but only in the sense that barring hardcore porn in prime time is "limiting" network TV. Somehow, the networks seem to be able to draw good ratings anyway, though.

Actually, I have said over and over that dropping the PG label isn't the entire solution. It's a huge part of why WWE is stale now, but not the entire cause. WWE lacking creativity or unique characters is as much to blame as them being PG. Blaming the PG rating for the whole show being bad would be senseless. My point was if MAJOR changes aren't made, from a creative standpoint, the ratings will continue to suffer.

And when I said limiting, it not only means the "hardcore porn". It also refers to wrestlers not being able to do certain things. Setting limitations for what can or can't be done or said is a receipe for disaster. You can tell half truths or mislead some ppl here, but the ratings tend to agree with my analysis. Their ratings are almost twice as low as they were during the Attitude era. To ignore that connection would be blind ignorance...

Innovator

07-22-2011, 04:36 PM

TV PG isn't their problem. Shitty writing is their problem. You can have TV PG and have it be entertaining. This Punk angle? PG

Ruien

07-22-2011, 05:08 PM

Why does anyone think there is a problem? The ratings have been the same for years now.

Dropping the PG label = Just dumb.

MMA = MMA does not have weekly television shows people actually watch. They have pay per view events, but these do not effect WWE.

Shitty Writing = Nexus, CM Punk, and Cena/Rock in the past 365 days (With 2 of them still going on. To a lesser extent you have R-Truth sky rocketing and Daniel Bryan claiming he will turn in his MITB at WM.

Xero

07-22-2011, 06:06 PM

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Xero

07-22-2011, 06:12 PM

http://c0013874.cdn1.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/x2_74ff610

Apparently Funaki does not sign all of Cena's promotional things after all.

VSG

07-22-2011, 06:13 PM

That must be the retarded cousin Juan Cena

loopydate

07-22-2011, 06:17 PM

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_loanq12DO71qjkec8o1_400.jpg

He looks like he's about to show her the Big Wiggle.

Xero

07-22-2011, 06:23 PM

http://www.tumblr.com/photo/1280/7944159188/1/tumblr_lora60LCOF1qk8v9t

Kane Knight

07-22-2011, 06:24 PM

Actually, I have said over and over that dropping the PG label isn't the entire solution.

Yup. You may notice I'm not disputing that, but merely stating that the PG portion of your plans are basically superfluous, as you can remove the "end PG" part and pretty much have the same plan.

Hence I compared it to hardcore porn on network. Is it a restriction to the creative process? Technically yes, but practically it's not that big a deal. It's one that could easily be worked around. In fact, it's probably more conducive to the creative process to not rely so much on shock, because of the issue of sensitivity creep.

Lock Jaw

07-22-2011, 06:24 PM

:rofl:

Kane Knight

07-22-2011, 06:39 PM

Why does anyone think there is a problem? The ratings have been the same for years now.

Actually, it was only a couple years ago that 3.6-ish was the standard, and a 2.9 was considered DISASTROUS.

That's kind of the problem. We're talking about something that does not happen overnight. We're talking about a show that runs for most of the year and where, even in a decline, changes rarely happen from week to week.

WWE used to have the pride of ALWAYS being top ten material in the Nielsens. Actually, they used to almost always be #1 or #2, sometimes both due to the two hours charting separately. I don't follow things as vigorously now, because I don't have fuckwads asking for proof every three weeks, but it seems like they're struggling to keep on it a good chunk of the time. The big exceptions were up against shit like playoffs, or on Holidays, when nobody does well. And those still happen. They just dip lower, because the standard is lower.

Dropping the PG label = Just dumb.

No, it's just a kneejerk reaction to a complicated solution from a bunch of people looking for quick fixes and easy answers.

America, FUCK YEAH!

MMA = MMA does not have weekly television shows people actually watch. They have pay per view events, but these do not effect WWE.

Except when they have specials (Which sometimes do go up against WWE's Monday programming). And in the sense that competing dollars are also an issue here, and money spent on one can readily be argued as money not spent on the other. And when PPVs conflict, or are near to one another, especially since part of the reason for the weekly programming is to sell the PPVs, which can diminish the interest in the program if you know you're watching UFC the night this shit gets resolved.

I don't think this is the sole issue, but they are trying to draw from the same pool to a decent extent.

Shitty Writing = Nexus, CM Punk, and Cena/Rock in the past 365 days (With 2 of them still going on. To a lesser extent you have R-Truth sky rocketing and Daniel Bryan claiming he will turn in his MITB at WM.

And of that, the only thing that could be construed as a draw was the Rock. That kinda hurts the argument that it's not shitty writing.

Well, let me redefine that. It's writing nobody seems to give a fuck about. You can argue live crowds, but they can be hot for someone and still not tune in to watch them (I've seen Teddy Long get a hot response ive...Does NOT mean he's a draw).

There is very clearly a problem here in terms of the product, and trying to cite exceptions doesn't do much. But even then, there's a ratings problem, and people didn't seem to care about Nexus, Punk, and I seriouly doubt they care much about Daniel Bryan beyond his "controversy" revolving around Nexus. I'd throw in R-Truth, too, because I have trouble seeing him make a splash.

These may be over with the IWC, but if that's who they're writing to, all it proves is that they shouldn't if they want ratings.

Cool King

07-22-2011, 07:13 PM

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/3020/24662914562810637981736.jpg

Ultra Mantis

07-22-2011, 07:14 PM

Tyson Kidd got his hair cut off. He now looks exactly like Josh Mathews.

Ultra Mantis

07-22-2011, 07:15 PM

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/3020/24662914562810637981736.jpg

Sheugene

Shadrick

07-22-2011, 07:21 PM

Sheugene Finlay

Cool King

07-22-2011, 07:29 PM

"My name is Eugene and I love TOO MANY LIMES!"

captaincharismark

07-22-2011, 08:43 PM

Yup. You may notice I'm not disputing that, but merely stating that the PG portion of your plans are basically superfluous, as you can remove the "end PG" part and pretty much have the same plan.

Hence I compared it to hardcore porn on network. Is it a restriction to the creative process? Technically yes, but practically it's not that big a deal. It's one that could easily be worked around. In fact, it's probably more conducive to the creative process to not rely so much on shock, because of the issue of sensitivity creep.

Not really. You can't make major changes to the product if you're working under PG limitations. How in theory would you have the same plan? Does WWE benefit from having the PG rating? Yes. But, for every pro there is a con. Denying that having the PG rating is a huge problem is ignoring facts. I realize it has benefits, but to say it isn't affecting the product is blind ignorance.

I admit WWE had creative problems long before the switch to PG, but all the change did was limit an already stale product. And having shock value is a great concept if it's done properly. The fans need that kind of concept to keep them hooked on the shows. It worked tremendously during the Attitude era, and it could work now, but it requires alot of effort. Unfortunately, WWE hasn't devoted alot of time into that, and it shows when your watching...

Xero

07-22-2011, 08:50 PM

CMPunk Apparently, I'm so influential, even my sitting Indian style mid ring is mimicked. Heavy is the head that wears the crown sorta thing...

Lock Jaw

07-22-2011, 09:03 PM

tjmidnight420

07-22-2011, 09:24 PM

Not really. You can't make major changes to the product if you're working under PG limitations. How in theory would you have the same plan? Does WWE benefit from having the PG rating? Yes. But, for every pro there is a con. Denying that having the PG rating is a huge problem is ignoring facts. I realize it has benefits, but to say it isn't affecting the product is blind ignorance.

I admit WWE had creative problems long before the switch to PG, but all the change did was limit an already stale product. And having shock value is a great concept if it's done properly. The fans need that kind of concept to keep them hooked on the shows. It worked tremendously during the Attitude era, and it could work now, but it requires alot of effort. Unfortunately, WWE hasn't devoted alot of time into that, and it shows when your watching...

So let me ask you this then: Are you saying the product is stale right now? because ratings aside I think they're doing good right now. As others have said, if they continue presenting the product as they are now, they stand to continue drawing more interest in the product which will in turn show a ratings increase in time. PG or not is not even a factor right now.

Kane Knight

07-22-2011, 10:07 PM

Not really. You can't make major changes to the product if you're working under PG limitations.

You can if you use your brain a little.

Aguakate

07-22-2011, 10:11 PM

All WWE has to do is continue to put out what they've being putting out the last month or so, and slowly but surely they will continue to not only reach out to new fans, but also bring in fans who no longer watch the product for whatever reason.

One of the things WWE MUST do is continue to give CM Punk the opportunity to be THE GUY, I mean, in just a month or so, he has brought back fans who for whatever reason were not following the WWE, the media has put their eye on him and the company after a long time of ignoring wrestling...so one thing they CAN'T do is to just stop pushing Punk. It's clear as day that he is THE GUY WWE NEEDS to have as its leader, its "top guy".

Kane Knight

07-22-2011, 10:14 PM

PG or not is not even a factor right now.

Nor should it ever be.

Indifferent Clox

07-22-2011, 10:36 PM

Vince will say because he's fired he'll buy another wrestling company. He'll go out on roh and buy roh and invade wwe(work). He'll still have heat with punk so he'll have Richards shoot on him in a match and win the wwe title. He'll invade and eventually lose power of roh. Or maybe he'll buy Ufc?

JimmyMess

07-22-2011, 11:19 PM

I'm loving this little relationship that Dana White & Vinnie Mac have. Talking business at Titan Towers.

Something is going to happen, SOMETHING!!!!!!

Xero

07-22-2011, 11:21 PM

JEFFHARDYBRAND ComeCmyDogs tomorrow night at tha RockShop...FramingHanley up in Fayettville/nam..I'll be there..so should you!!!!

Translation please?

captaincharismark

07-22-2011, 11:24 PM

So let me ask you this then: Are you saying the product is stale right now? because ratings aside I think they're doing good right now. As others have said, if they continue presenting the product as they are now, they stand to continue drawing more interest in the product which will in turn show a ratings increase in time. PG or not is not even a factor right now.

The only reason the current product is watchable is b/c of CM Punk. I think the word stale is being generous. The main problem with WWE currently is not producing good storylines or pushing new wrestlers. To me, it's common sense that unless the matches and storylines are good, then WWE can't recover from the slump they are in. With that being said, the shows have been some better with the buzz from CM Punk. If they take advantage of it and can keep being more creative, maybe the momentum gained could turn things around. Of course, not listening to the fans is another huge issue.

Being PG or not isn't a big deal for WWE, if they can be creative and develop new wrestlers. Keeping things fresh is about more than the rating attributed to the show. Even with the PG limitation, they can work around it. But, for some reason, they coast by week after week not really putting much into it.

captaincharismark

07-22-2011, 11:26 PM

You can if you use your brain a little.

Yeah, well WWE doesn't seem to be working overtime to use their brains more. If they were, we'd be seeing more cutting edge storylines and wrestlers...

Shisen Kopf

07-22-2011, 11:45 PM

WWE needs to come up with a final solution to dominate and blitz the rasslin world.

Droford

07-23-2011, 12:17 AM

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_loq3nwX5Wf1qkd5b5o1_500.jpg

ehh..Colt..he should have put it somewhere else..

Aguakate

07-23-2011, 12:22 AM

Hulk Hogan looking LARGE:

http://i55.tinypic.com/i40i2c.jpg

screech

07-23-2011, 12:24 AM

JEFFHARDYBRAND ComeCmyDogs tomorrow night at tha RockShop...FramingHanley up in Fayettville/nam..I'll be there..so should you!!!!

Translation please?

Framing Hanley (band) playing The Rock Shop in Fayettville. Apparently he will be there & wants others to also attend.

Why he called them dogs, I don't know.

screech

07-23-2011, 12:24 AM

Also have no idea what that "/nam" is supposed to mean.

Lock Jaw

07-23-2011, 01:12 AM

"Weird" without two stickied threads at the top of this forum. Gonna have to get used to it.

Xero

07-23-2011, 01:26 AM

Why is the YouTube thread even still stickied?

BizarroKing

07-23-2011, 01:32 AM

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/3020/24662914562810637981736.jpg

Is that a actual pic/action figure?

FourFifty

07-23-2011, 01:32 AM

Why is the YouTube thread even still stickied?

'cuz Stone Cold said so?

Lock Jaw

07-23-2011, 01:38 AM

http://www.wwe.com/f/imagecache/gallery_photo/photo/image/2011/07/SD_622_Photo_075.jpg

THAT'S A SHAME

Droford

07-23-2011, 01:39 AM

Is that a actual pic/action figure?

someones custom figure..

http://www.ringsidecollectibles.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/elite8_sheamus_moc.jpg

Lock Jaw

07-23-2011, 01:41 AM

Big Smackdown Spoiler:

http://i.imgur.com/m6ELv.gif
:rofl:

Xero

07-23-2011, 01:42 AM

LOL

Droford

07-23-2011, 01:44 AM

that could have been a whole lot worse than it was

FearedSanctity

07-23-2011, 02:09 AM

Couldn't have been much funnier though :lol:

Kane Knight

07-23-2011, 08:52 AM

Yeah, well WWE doesn't seem to be working overtime to use their brains more. If they were, we'd be seeing more cutting edge storylines and wrestlers...

And again, you undermine your own point by affirming that the problem is more the writers than the rating.

Hmmmm.

Trolling?

Shisen Kopf

07-23-2011, 08:55 AM

http://blogs.westword.com/showandtell/ryan%20dunn%20joke%2010.jpg

tjmidnight420

07-23-2011, 09:00 AM

Being PG or not isn't a big deal for WWE, if they can be creative and develop new wrestlers. Keeping things fresh is about more than the rating attributed to the show. Even with the PG limitation, they can work around it. But, for some reason, they coast by week after week not really putting much into it.

This has been my whole point all along. And CM Punk isn't the only reason WWE isn't completely stale. I've found myself watching all of Smackdown the last few weeks and only parts of Raw. This is coming from somebody who hasn't watched anything outside a few random PPVs and Mania the last 10 years. I got tired of WWE before the attitude boom ended, and only had a passing interest from then til here recently. I'm watching again now. Do you really think I'm the only one that's getting into the product again?

Gertner

07-23-2011, 11:02 AM

Savio

07-23-2011, 11:56 AM

It will be edited

DLVH84

07-23-2011, 12:52 PM

Not only I said change the PG rating (which most people would say), I also came out with things I also noticed over the years like rehashing storylines, the lack of actual wrestling time, and resurrecting three divisions (Cruiserweight, Women's (real, not the Diva bullshit Vince has), and Tag Team).

Supreme Olajuwon

07-23-2011, 01:17 PM

Good thing he didn't keep his fingers on the side of the table.

Anybody Thrilla

07-23-2011, 01:24 PM

COLE: Why are we still talking about Daniel Bryan? Why aren't we talking more about Heath Slater?

BOOKER T: Because Daniel Bryan has a great story.

COLE: How do you know Heath Slater doesn't have a story? You didn't do any research on him.

BOOKER T: I know he was in a band. I know he was the only one in it.

***

:lol:

Booker T is amazing

Supreme Olajuwon

07-23-2011, 01:36 PM

lol

Gertner

07-23-2011, 02:51 PM

Tag Team wrestling, Cruiserweight's and women's wrestling don't draw. Never have, never will. Why people are obsessed with this is beyond me. Concentrate on writing better main event storylines.

Juan

07-23-2011, 03:01 PM

Find CM Punk

<iframe width="560" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/yM_cHRvzTYw" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Kane Knight

07-23-2011, 03:01 PM

Tag Team wrestling, Cruiserweight's and women's wrestling don't draw. Never have, never will. Why people are obsessed with this is beyond me. Concentrate on writing better main event stroylines.

People generally want wrestling booked for them specifically.

They confuse "what I like" with "what will draw."

Which is why so many people will insist that Jobber "X" should be a main eventer.

Lock Jaw

07-23-2011, 03:07 PM

What a terrible song.

Londoner

07-23-2011, 03:11 PM

Big Smackdown Spoiler:

http://i.imgur.com/m6ELv.gif
:rofl:

haha saw that earlier when caught the end of smackdown, thanks for the reminder to watch it later!

Shadrick

07-23-2011, 03:40 PM

I found eeeeeem

He's at 1:02

captaincharismark

07-23-2011, 03:57 PM

And again, you undermine your own point by affirming that the problem is more the writers than the rating.

Hmmmm.

Trolling?

Actually, I've said all along that WWE being uncreative and lazy booking has been as much to blame as the PG rating. How is that undermining my point if I said it to start with? And how is that trolling exactly if I've been on topic?

i'm beginning to think more and more you are the one who needs to use your brain more...

captaincharismark

07-23-2011, 04:05 PM

This has been my whole point all along. And CM Punk isn't the only reason WWE isn't completely stale. I've found myself watching all of Smackdown the last few weeks and only parts of Raw. This is coming from somebody who hasn't watched anything outside a few random PPVs and Mania the last 10 years. I got tired of WWE before the attitude boom ended, and only had a passing interest from then til here recently. I'm watching again now. Do you really think I'm the only one that's getting into the product again?

To me, the only reason WWE has been relevant is b/c of CM Punk. He's the one exception to someone who has pushed the envelope while still being PG limited. Some may disagree with that perception, but then again, that's just one guy's views. True, other things have kept me interested like Cena/Rock and Orton/Christian. For the most part though, I have been underwhelmed with their shows since 2004-2005.

And I'm sure with the CM Punk angle and the recent return of The Rock, several old fans flipped back onto the shows. Hell, that was proven on RAW last week when they got almost a 4 in ratings. That has been the highest rating they have attained in quite some time.

The PG label can be worked around, but it takes alot of creativity and effort which hasn't even been noticable until recently. Hopefully, that trend will continue and not just a short term thing...

Lock Jaw

07-23-2011, 04:12 PM

He's at 0:15 as well. I pity you that you had to listen that far.

What Would Kevin Do?

07-23-2011, 04:30 PM

Apparently Jimmy Jacobs was backstage at MitB and Raw, and had a tryout. I don't think it'll happen, and I doubt they'd use him right, but I would LOVE if Jacobs ended up in WWE,

Malfeitor

07-23-2011, 04:54 PM

Find CM Punk

<iframe width="560" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/yM_cHRvzTYw" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

CM Punk rolls deep with that DMS clique. I love me some H2O.

Rammsteinmad

07-23-2011, 05:04 PM

Big Smackdown Spoiler:

http://i.imgur.com/m6ELv.gif
:rofl:

I :rofl:'d so much when I saw this.

sexylady

07-23-2011, 05:15 PM

I'm name is SexyLady. I love watching wrestling. I like at the superstar and diva.

:)

Corporate CockSnogger

07-23-2011, 05:19 PM

This should be good.

Xero

07-23-2011, 05:20 PM

What's your favorite match?

dhellova guy

07-23-2011, 05:22 PM

I'm name is dhellova guy. If your going to gunna call yourself SexyLady, you am gunna hafta post pix of yourself so we can decide if you is or not.

Xero

07-23-2011, 05:27 PM

USOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

<iframe width="560" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/xIzu7lEBbT4" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

What the fuck is this?

Juan

07-23-2011, 05:29 PM

If I had to guess I'd say it's some kind of Samoan tribal dance/ritual

sexylady

07-23-2011, 05:33 PM

Thank you I'm favorite match would was When Triple h and the undertake :) at wrestlemania 27.

Lock Jaw

07-23-2011, 05:34 PM

Who are your favorite wrestlers?

loopydate

07-23-2011, 05:35 PM

I think it's called a Haka (or something like sounds like that). And, yeah, it's a traditional Samoan dance.

Lock Jaw

07-23-2011, 05:39 PM

What the fuck is this?

Lyrics:
Ka mate! Ka mate! Ka ora! Ka mate! Ka mate! Ka ora! tenei te tangata puhuru huru! Nana nei i tiki mai! Whakawhiti te ra! A upa! Ka upa! A upane kaupane whiti te ra! HI! USO!

Translated: I live! I live! I die! I live! I live! I die! This is the hairy man, who fetched the sun, and caused it to shine again! One upward step! Another upward step! One upward step! Another! The sun shines at dawn! Brother! (if you include the USO! scream)

Rammsteinmad

07-23-2011, 05:54 PM

It looks like an attempt to get over.

loopydate

07-23-2011, 05:57 PM

I have noticed the Usos - since the face turn, with the Hakas and the dancing and stuff - have looked a lot better over the last few weeks.

Xero

07-23-2011, 06:07 PM

DumbKellyKelly Amy Winehouse died. Another sad wrestling tragedy. :(

Rammsteinmad

07-23-2011, 07:24 PM

I believe the recent surge of mainstream attention the WWE has received is due to Mark Henry's push.

Razzamajazz

07-23-2011, 07:44 PM

What the fuck is this?

<iframe width="425" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/-_CaSu-fnGg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Triple Naitch

07-23-2011, 08:00 PM

I was gonna make a thread about this. Are the Usos actually over or do you think WWE is pumping noise into the broadcasts? It seems like they have been getting a huge reaction lately.

loopydate

07-23-2011, 08:15 PM

I think they're giving them some help in post, but most of the arena reports mention surprisingly good pops for them at tapings and house shows. I think if the '90s taught us anything, it's this:

Dancing Samoans = cheers.

Xero

07-23-2011, 08:18 PM

Well, that's certainly interesting.

Too bad they don't have a tag division worth a fuck. What does it matter if they're over if there's no other real teams for them who are over? They'll just get over and either split or mysteriously go back to Superstars and never be heard from again.

loopydate

07-23-2011, 08:23 PM

Yeah. It would be nice if there was another team that could be the Edge & Christian to their Hardy Boyz.

Note: I'm not equating their talent to Matt and Jeff, but they were jobbers once, too. Both of those teams were in the midcard (lower, really) until their feud blew up, elevating all four.

Xero

07-23-2011, 08:35 PM

HulkHogan I was afraid to quit wrestling like the Rock did. HH

Xero

07-23-2011, 08:38 PM

The questionable "Checking the Oil" wrestling move is NOT A MYTH ... so says Hulk Hogan (http://www.tmz.com/person/hulk-hogan/) -- who tells TMZ he was once on the wrong end of the violating technique from 7'4" Andre the Giant!!!

http://ll-media.tmz.com/2011/07/21/072111-hulk-hogan-video-credit.jpg (http://www.tmz.com/videos?**************&mediaKey=ac18d673-e629-4f1e-a54b-8809d4b53e3b)

Hulk's story backs up the claim made by TMZ's Mike Walters (http://www.tmz.com/2011/07/20/jacksonville-jaguars-tight-end-marcedes-lewis-checking-the-oil-mma-wrestling-tmz-on-tv/) -- that wrestlers will press a finger on the bottom end of an opponent in an effort to throw them off their game ... aka "Checking the Oil."

According to Hulk, who was at LAX yesterday, Andre would oil-check people "all the time" -- and the worst part about it ... HIS FINGERS WERE HUGE!!!

http://ll-media.tmz.com/2011/07/21/0721-andre-hulk-trump-2-credit.jpg

Xero

07-23-2011, 08:38 PM

Yes, ladies and gentlemen. According to Hulk Hogan, Andre the Giant fingered him.

Lock Jaw

07-23-2011, 09:01 PM

Posted that a few days ago.

Not as nicely though. A+ for presentation.

Lock Jaw

07-23-2011, 09:07 PM

More big Smackdown Spoilers:

http://i55.tinypic.com/2eo9kj7.gif

Emperor Smeat

07-23-2011, 09:08 PM

Well if that 2nd picture of Hogan is any indication, I'd assume their match at Wrestlemania IV included a special stipulation from Andre.

I guess that is why their match was a no contest since Hogan backed out from using that spot in the match :shifty:

Xero

07-23-2011, 09:12 PM

Google searches for CM Punk graph:

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g122/sandman3g/cmpunk.png

http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=CM%20Punk&cmpt=q

Droford

07-24-2011, 12:00 AM

Earl Hebner's having fun..and I guess desperate for money?

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/5447/hebner.jpg

Wasnt aware he had a shirt.."damn right I did"

lol They also kept on saying he was 79 years old but his wiki page says hes 62.

Lock Jaw

07-24-2011, 12:11 AM

http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_loakylJ1jp1qjkec8o1_500.jpg

Lock Jaw

07-24-2011, 12:12 AM

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_loakc1kuls1qjkec8o1_500.png

Emperor Smeat

07-24-2011, 01:05 AM

http://www.tsmradio.com/images/CABANA_PHOTO_3.jpg

Xero

07-24-2011, 08:16 AM

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lou65jEtSc1qm9odpo1_500.jpg

Xero

07-24-2011, 09:40 AM

Kane Knight

07-24-2011, 10:38 AM

Actually, I've said all along that WWE being uncreative and lazy booking has been as much to blame as the PG rating. How is that undermining my point if I said it to start with? And how is that trolling exactly if I've been on topic?

i'm beginning to think more and more you are the one who needs to use your brain more...

The problem being, once again, the PG rating issue is superfluous and can be removed.

As this has been explained to you, your continued failure to "get it" and continued need to distort others arguments leads me to believe you're either trolling for a response or really slow.

Stickman

07-24-2011, 01:25 PM

The Rock, Austin, HBK, HHH, UT, Ultimate Warrior:shifty:

Xero

07-24-2011, 01:48 PM

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g122/sandman3g/800px-Rosie_vs.jpg

Xero

07-24-2011, 02:19 PM

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_louews6NVQ1qis6pso1_500.jpg

Juan

07-24-2011, 03:33 PM

Downloading this right now. Should be good

<iframe width="560" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/k7CM82u_hT0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Xero

07-24-2011, 03:36 PM

I need to watch the roundtables.

Juan

07-24-2011, 03:41 PM

found a torrent with 16 eps on it

Kane Knight

07-24-2011, 04:19 PM

The Rock, Austin, HBK, HHH, UT, Ultimate Warrior:shifty:

You forgot Scotty 2 Hotty. Scotty=ratings, bitches.

Xero

07-24-2011, 04:32 PM

<blink>BREAKING NEWS</blink>

http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_losol65Ho41qdvmtmo1_500.jpg

Kelly Kelly and Alicia Fox jumping to TNA.

CSL

07-24-2011, 04:38 PM

found a torrent with 16 eps on it

link
link link link
link link link
link link linkkkkkkkkkkk

(to the tune of 'Eye of the Tiger')

CSL

07-24-2011, 04:39 PM

pretty please thankyou

Juan

07-24-2011, 04:43 PM

link
link link link
link link link
link link linkkkkkkkkkkk

(to the tune of 'Eye of the Tiger')

It's on XWT, so posting the link wont work unless you're signed up there

CSL

07-24-2011, 04:46 PM

i.r, found it. Looks brutal in terms of seed/leechers :-\

Mooияakeя™

07-24-2011, 04:46 PM

Well for me this CM Punk thing and Orton's recent gainage of more moves has made me sit up and fucking watch more.

For me personally, fuck off the PG thing and let the guys have more input over what they do. I'm sure a Cena heel turn with Punk in a faction against the WWE (with Trips as the main man against Vince) kinda Corporate style would be the ideal way to kick start shit.

Juan

07-24-2011, 04:51 PM

http://www.speedtest.net/result/1400182830.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

:cool:

JKWJRMON

07-24-2011, 05:20 PM

Get rid of Michael fucking Cole

Fox

07-24-2011, 05:33 PM

Tag Team wrestling, Cruiserweight's and women's wrestling don't draw. Never have, never will. Why people are obsessed with this is beyond me. Concentrate on writing better main event storylines.

Have to disagree. While an improvement in Tag team, CW and women's wrestling won't cause a boom the way something like Stone Cold vs McMahon or WCW vs NWO would, to say that these things don't draw is just ignorant. For a long time, TNA's women's division was the best thing going in their company, and the ratings reflected that - ratings spikes every time they came on the air. People are drawn to the fast paced, exciting style of cruiserweights, and they've been major drawing points for lots of companies in the past, especially WCW.

I agree that better main event writing is the only thing that's going to truly change the ratings game in a major way, but that doesn't mean that tag team, cruiserweight and women's wrestling don't draw.

DLVH84

07-24-2011, 05:49 PM

Have to disagree. While an improvement in Tag team, CW and women's wrestling won't cause a boom the way something like Stone Cold vs McMahon or WCW vs NWO would, to say that these things don't draw is just ignorant. For a long time, TNA's women's division was the best thing going in their company, and the ratings reflected that - ratings spikes every time they came on the air. People are drawn to the fast paced, exciting style of cruiserweights, and they've been major drawing points for lots of companies in the past, especially WCW.

I agree that better main event writing is the only thing that's going to truly change the ratings game in a major way, but that doesn't mean that tag team, cruiserweight and women's wrestling don't draw.

Exactly. Plus they need to stop rehashing storylines and come up with something original (the CM Punk wearing a mask after losing his hair is an example of that, since the wig ordeal has been used many times before).

BizarroKing

07-24-2011, 06:17 PM

More big Smackdown Spoilers:

http://i55.tinypic.com/2eo9kj7.gif

FAIL! :rofl:

Downloading this right now. Should be good

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Saw it it was pretty good. Love how Nash commented on the Fingerpoke of Doom.

captaincharismark

07-24-2011, 06:25 PM

The problem being, once again, the PG rating issue is superfluous and can be removed.

As this has been explained to you, your continued failure to "get it" and continued need to distort others arguments leads me to believe you're either trolling for a response or really slow.

I find it interesting that I'm not disputing you that the PG rating isn't the entire problem, yet you still are arguing the point with me.

Also ironic you claim I don't "get it" when you are the one attempting to mislead ppl and twist facts out of context to fit your opinion. Which often times you state as the gospel truth. Like somehow what you say has more logic or proof to support yourself, when in fact, it's simple opinion. And accusing me of trolling for a response is a clever way of diverting attention that you are doing that. Obviously, you want responses to your outrageous claims, or else you wouldn't talk as if you knew everything...

Kane Knight

07-24-2011, 06:58 PM

I find it interesting that I'm not disputing you that the PG rating isn't the entire problem, yet you still are arguing the point with me.

Except I'm not arguing that point at all, I'm arguing that it's not a problem. I'm arguing that the problems of WWE can readily be described by other elements without touching the PG element.

...So does this mean you're for real? You really cannot understand this?

You're saying PG is not the sole problem, which is still wrong. You cite many issues, all of which are true--regardless of the PG rating. It's an extra step that can be removed from the "solutions" to "Fixing" Raw. The result? Nothing changes. Ergo, not even part of the problem.

Which is especially evident since WWE ran into writing elements well before the "PG Era" started.

If you really don't see that our claims are not at odds, learn to read.

If you're trolling, troll better.

CSL

07-24-2011, 07:36 PM

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:cool:

fuck youuuu, probably going to take me days since I don't leave my comp on and have speed like half of that

Razzamajazz

07-24-2011, 08:16 PM

Lock Jaw

07-24-2011, 08:29 PM

Cody Rhodes shows Comic-Con what's what:

http://vids.wwe.com/12673/wwecom-exclusive-face-time-with

Juan

07-24-2011, 08:37 PM

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Lock Jaw

07-24-2011, 08:42 PM

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Cool King

07-24-2011, 08:47 PM

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Malfeitor

07-24-2011, 08:51 PM

My lady and I at a local wrestling show. One half of the tag team champions, son!

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Jordan

07-24-2011, 10:35 PM

Cool dude.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Malfeitor again.

captaincharismark

07-24-2011, 10:40 PM

Except I'm not arguing that point at all, I'm arguing that it's not a problem. I'm arguing that the problems of WWE can readily be described by other elements without touching the PG element.

...So does this mean you're for real? You really cannot understand this?

You're saying PG is not the sole problem, which is still wrong. You cite many issues, all of which are true--regardless of the PG rating. It's an extra step that can be removed from the "solutions" to "Fixing" Raw. The result? Nothing changes. Ergo, not even part of the problem.

Which is especially evident since WWE ran into writing elements well before the "PG Era" started.

If you really don't see that our claims are not at odds, learn to read.

If you're trolling, troll better.

You keep saying that I'm not reading, but it's you who keeps posting the same redundant point. Everything I stated pretty much relates to the issues involved with WWE having lower ratings. You keep dismissing my points and twisting things out of context in order to support your claims. Then you say I'm trying to change ppl's opinions? That in itself shows your are the one trolling to make your opinion come off as superior or somehow more intelligent.

It's understandable if you think WWE being PG isn't a problem, but don't try and state that as a fact. Alot of ppl could argue that it is a problem. Having the PG rating means they are trying to attract a younger demographic. Which is fine if they wanna sell more merchandise to kids and present a cleaner image. However, it also is ignoring the 18-34 demographic that made them successful. Being PG all but tells that demographic to fuck off if they don't like it. You honestly think it's a coincidence that around the time WWE got stale UFC became more popular? It's b/c WWE is trying to present themselves as something they're not. A complete opposite to the edgy, more cutting edge material they were presenting only a decade prior. For that reason, former WWE fans aren't watching anymore since WWE doesn't listen to their fans. When you ignore elements that made you successful, then you lose some of your loyal fanbase.

As I said, being PG isn't entirely to blame, but to say it isn't an issue is one guy's opinion and not necessarily fact. I'd venture to say some fans hate WWE solely for the PG rating. Again, it's in complete contrast to the style that made them popular. There's a reason that the Attitude era was one of the most successful periods in wrestling. The 18-34 demographic doesn't wanna see that PG style that WWE is trying to present themselves as. Everyone knows it's BS and only a convient way to make money off of sponsors and kids. The adults hate it and want the more edgy characters and storylines. Having a 5 in the ratings then and a 3.5 now clearly supports that conclusion...

07-24-2011, 10:46 PM

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I have this video on my channel :love:

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Jordan

07-24-2011, 10:50 PM

You keep saying that I'm not reading, but it's you who keeps posting the same redundant point. Everything I stated pretty much relates to the issues involved with WWE having lower ratings. You keep dismissing my points and twisting things out of context in order to support your claims. Then you say I'm trying to change ppl's opinions? That in itself shows your are the one trolling to make your opinion come off as superior or somehow more intelligent.

It's understandable if you think WWE being PG isn't a problem, but don't try and state that as a fact. Alot of ppl could argue that it is a problem. Having the PG rating means they are trying to attract a younger demographic. Which is fine if they wanna sell more merchandise to kids and present a cleaner image. However, it also is ignoring the 18-34 demographic that made them successful. Being PG all but tells that demographic to fuck off if they don't like it. You honestly think it's a coincidence that around the time WWE got stale UFC became more popular? It's b/c WWE is trying to present themselves as something they're not. A complete opposite to the edgy, more cutting edge material they were presenting only a decade prior. For that reason, former WWE fans aren't watching anymore since WWE doesn't listen to their fans. When you ignore elements that made you successful, then you lose some of your loyal fanbase.

As I said, being PG isn't entirely to blame, but to say it isn't an issue is one guy's opinion and not necessarily fact. I'd venture to say some fans hate WWE solely for the PG rating. Again, it's in complete contrast to the style that made them popular. There's a reason that the Attitude era was one of the most successful periods in wrestling. The 18-34 demographic doesn't wanna see that PG style that WWE is trying to present themselves as. Everyone knows it's BS and only a convient way to make money off of sponsors and kids. The adults hate it and want the more edgy characters and storylines. Having a 5 in the ratings then and a 3.5 now clearly supports that conclusion...

It can clearly be done without changing the PG rating as we have seen all year long. All it takes is creativity, things like R-Truth, C Punk, Orton stepping up, it doesn't have to be vulgar and offensive, that is more childish and normal PG show.

I don't want WWE to "try" to be cool, just be cool. And it can be a show for parents and children or anybody.

An example of a non PG Wrestling show is called Impact Wrestling, and I'm sure you know how that goes on a weekly basis.

Juan

07-24-2011, 11:03 PM

fuck youuuu, probably going to take me days since I don't leave my comp on and have speed like half of that

This is still a pretty slow torrent. I'm at 78% with over 3 hours left to go still

Emperor Smeat

07-24-2011, 11:16 PM

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His 7 minute reign was a huge surprise since everyone joked he could be champion but nobody thought it would actually happen although Triple H made sure his reign ended the same as Jericho's 1st reign that people swear occurred but none of the record books mention him as champion in 2000 :shifty:

captaincharismark

07-24-2011, 11:21 PM

It can clearly be done without changing the PG rating as we have seen all year long. All it takes is creativity, things like R-Truth, C Punk, Orton stepping up, it doesn't have to be vulgar and offensive, that is more childish and normal PG show.

I don't want WWE to "try" to be cool, just be cool. And it can be a show for parents and children or anybody.

An example of a non PG Wrestling show is called Impact Wrestling, and I'm sure you know how that goes on a weekly basis.

I've never disputed that it can't be a good show with a PG rating. But, alot of fans, myself included, see that as a way of limiting the shows. It doesn't have to be offensive or vulgar, but it does have to be unique and creative. Both qualities that the current show lacks in alot of aspects. While some might see the Attitude era shows as childish or offensive, wrestling fans wanted to see that. Hence the reason the ratings reflect so negatively now. Do you think breakout stars like Austin or The Rock could've stepped up in a PG environment? I don't, and wrestling would have suffered b/c of it. Having the PG rating is like a double edged sword. Yeah, it cleans the image of WWE up and attracts more desirable sponsors. But it also manages to piss off alot of the fans wrestling gained when it was more cutting edge. To present wrestling as something it's never been before in it's history is laughable.

Having less creative and unique storylines is also to blame for disappointing ratings, but to claim the PG rating isn't connected to that is ignoring facts. Effectively, the 18-34 demographic doesn't like the PG direction, a thought also echoed even by wrestlers. Batista left WWE b/c of it. When you trash the formula that made wrestling successful to begin with, you can expect drastic results...

Droford

07-24-2011, 11:51 PM

I am going to have a feud with Brian Kendrick for a while.

I hate him.

Also, while Im thinking of it, I watched SD today and the thought occured to me that somehow if Taker were to come back for Wrestlemania and he were to win the WHC, would WWE dare do MITB Cash in Streak vs Undertaker's Wrestlemania Streak with Daniel Bryan of all people?

Rock Bottom

07-25-2011, 12:10 AM

Tag Team wrestling, Cruiserweight's and women's wrestling don't draw. Never have, never will. Why people are obsessed with this is beyond me. Concentrate on writing better main event storylines.

Pure retardation.

Tag team wrestling used to be something you could put on a card and have people give a shit about it. The outlaws drew like a mother fucker too, and tons of the greatest wrestlers have emerged from tag team wrestling.

The only thing I can't defend at all is women's wrestling. The sad part is, it used to be better than it is now. I cannot recall the last time I saw a "good" women's match. Trish and Molly were pretty OK as far as skill goes.

Rock Bottom

07-25-2011, 12:13 AM

People generally want wrestling booked for them specifically.

They confuse "what I like" with "what will draw."

Which is why so many people will insist that Jobber "X" should be a main eventer.

The post you responded to was flat wrong. New Age Outlaws were hugely popular, as an example, and they drew money. I thought they were annoying. Not that it matters much, but to clear the record, I'd rather not be "generalized" like that for accuracy's sake.

I really wouldn't mind wrestling being booked for me specifically though, because it would draw.

Rock Bottom

07-25-2011, 12:22 AM

Also, I'd like to point out that "drawing money" isn't usually something you can marry to a "does" or "doesn't". There are tons of little things that contribute to a product as a whole. That term should be reserved on an isolated basis. I mean, say what you want, obviously. You could say "Austin drew money," "So and so didn't draw a dime" if you wanna be like Ric Flair, but to take the entire body of tag team wrestling and say it didn't draw is kind of dumb.

07-25-2011, 12:27 AM

I wanna know what people would do with the storylines sans the PG rating.

Let's hear your ideas of what to do without the "PG Handcuffs".

Lock Jaw

07-25-2011, 01:23 AM

Uhhhh.... People could say Bitch and Bathurd and... umm... HLA.

captaincharismark

07-25-2011, 02:01 AM

I wanna know what people would do with the storylines sans the PG rating.

Let's hear your ideas of what to do without the "PG Handcuffs".

Does it really matter??? Guys like you are too narrow minded to listen. Obviously, you think WWE is perfectly ok with the PG rating. If you've convinced yourself that the 18-34 demographic isn't vital to WWE's success, nothing said otherwise would change your mind.

Alot of fans I bet could come up with material way more creative and original than the WWE has. That fact is backed up by how often WWE fires or hires new writers. Ever noticed how often that occurs?

07-25-2011, 02:05 AM

captaincharismark

07-25-2011, 02:25 AM

I'm not saying WWE is perfect by any stretch of the imagination and honestly, I don't care if the ratings are in the toilet, doesn't affect me, I'm not a shareholder.

I just wanna see what all these people that think the PG Ratng is holding creativity back can come up with that dictates a removal of said rating.

They can be more creative within the confines of the rating. These are 2 different points. But hey, Kane Knight has already been through that discussion and got nowhere.

I think we can all agree WWE isn't perfect. The only disagreement seems to be why WWE isn't perfect. To ignore the ratings means you ignore how far WWE has fell since it's popular era. I get to some ppl numbers don't matter, but small details do matter if you are talking about potential solutions to the problems. The only way to really measure how successful or unsuccessful those attempts are is ratings.

And apparently reading isn't a strong point for you or Kane Knight. I agree creativity and originality dictates their success or failure. Not just the PG rating. But, for alot of fans being PG is a turnoff. Especially since it's ignoring a major demographic that could help turn the ratings around. With them targetting the kid demographic, it effectively means the adults who hate the PG rating will look elsewhere for entertainment. UFC is proof positive of that.

As far as I'm concerned, you want to see how creative I am? Throw out a scenario where WWE failed and I will give you my solutions to them...

07-25-2011, 02:34 AM

So you've ignored what I asked, instead opting for another "challenge".

C'mon guy, just humour me. Shoot me an interesting angle that can't be produced under the PG Rating.

Tom Guycott

07-25-2011, 03:20 AM

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For some reason, it bothers me when people spell "chittirlings" properly.

Even though it is grammatically correct, if it's more than two syllables with no apostrophe, you're doing it wrong.

Tom Guycott

07-25-2011, 03:56 AM

What the fuck is this?

I think it's called a Haka (or something like sounds like that). And, yeah, it's a traditional Samoan dance.

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What they don't say is that the NCAA actually had banned them from performing the haka during the pregame, then post game, then within so many yards of the stadum at all because a lot of opponents (read: whiny bitches) were complaining about it being a form of "taunting" (no shit?) and didn't want them doing this at their school.

You know the NCAA; the same orginization that allowed Ohio State to wear those awesome Nike gloves with the "O" on the palms, but whenever the players actually made that "O", they got hit with 15 yards "unsportsmanlike conduct". Same orginization that somehow manages to screw Boisie St. out of a Nat'l Champion shot every year because their school doesn't have the market share revenue potential that a SEC, Big Ten, or Pac <s>10</s> 12 have. Same orginization that can strip teams of wins and titles years after the fact, but don't award the people they beat those wins. Sisters of the Poor still lost that game 35-7 , just to an opponent who ALSO lost. :rant:

So, where was I... oh yeah, haka.

Supreme Olajuwon

07-25-2011, 07:25 AM

What? They let that gay Seminole with the flaming arrow at Florida State do his pregame thing. That's dumb.

07-25-2011, 07:31 AM

Supreme olajuwannaman

Supreme Olajuwon

07-25-2011, 07:31 AM

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Does my war dance a scare you, Mongowians?

Tom Guycott

07-25-2011, 07:36 AM

What? They let that gay Seminole with the flaming arrow at Florida State do his pregame thing. That's dumb.

Don't get me started on that "anti-Racisim" crap. Granted, most of the schools were fostering generic Native American stereotypes, but FSU is actually ENDORSED by most of the Seminole Nation, and they (the NCAA) still went after them for a bit. Most they did was put a conditional ban on "the chop".

Yep, Chief Osceola can chuck the flaming spear, the USC Trojan and Michigan State Spartan can stab the ground with swords, and there's a ton of teams with cannons, but one choreographed dance number is just too risque for some people's sensibilites.

I wonder if a team that did "The French Mistake" pregame would have the same problem.

Supreme Olajuwon

07-25-2011, 07:41 AM

I'll settle for Kentucky hiring John Wall for all their pregame rituals.

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Kane Knight

07-25-2011, 09:14 AM

You keep saying that I'm not reading, but it's you who keeps posting the same redundant point.

The same point you have repeatedly missed by insisting, for example, that it's not at odds with your argument?

Gee, I wonder why I feel the need to repeat a point you do not understand. Especially when you spent your last post insisting it was weird I was arguing with you when you were not disputing my argument, when clearly you were.

Okay, fine. So you got my point way back, you've just chosen to stick your fingers in your ears and cry "lalalala I'm not listening." And, in the process, totally distorted the argument at hand.

Okay, so you are trolling. Ummm...Congrats?

Kane Knight

07-25-2011, 09:15 AM

So you've ignored what I asked, instead opting for another "challenge".

C'mon guy, just humour me. Shoot me an interesting angle that can't be produced under the PG Rating.

Warning: Goalpost shift incoming!

Xero

07-25-2011, 10:21 AM

Had a dream last night where, since Hunter was in charge, he changed the SmackDown! set to the Thunder set, complete with thunder and lightning during matches.

Xero

07-25-2011, 10:26 AM

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Rammsteinmad

07-25-2011, 10:43 AM

How times have changed. In 2011, the person holding that sign would probably be asked to leave the arena.

Xero

07-25-2011, 10:43 AM

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Xero

07-25-2011, 10:45 AM

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Cool King

07-25-2011, 11:17 AM

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07-25-2011, 11:37 AM

Kaitlyn and AJ.

Innovator

07-25-2011, 12:31 PM

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Xero

07-25-2011, 01:31 PM

Xero

07-25-2011, 01:32 PM

Xero

07-25-2011, 01:32 PM

Sorry Lock Jaw. :shifty:

Xero

07-25-2011, 01:33 PM

lol

Lock Jaw

07-25-2011, 01:48 PM

:'(

Lock Jaw

07-25-2011, 01:49 PM

Xero

07-25-2011, 02:17 PM

So I guess Rock is officially coming to Survivor Series.

From Rock and Cena's Twitters:

TheRock Cena fans: pls stop tweeting me to stop being "mean" to John. If u think I'm mean now, just wait til Survivor Series in NYC.

JohnCena Dear Dwayne, excited that you are thinking of attending Survivor Series in MSG! U can buy your ticket on sept 10th. See you there!

Savio

07-25-2011, 03:06 PM

CSL

07-25-2011, 05:35 PM

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Xero

07-25-2011, 05:36 PM

Damn, I would not want to see an Arn Anderson/Kevin Sullivan porn.

captaincharismark

07-25-2011, 05:43 PM

The same point you have repeatedly missed by insisting, for example, that it's not at odds with your argument?

Gee, I wonder why I feel the need to repeat a point you do not understand. Especially when you spent your last post insisting it was weird I was arguing with you when you were not disputing my argument, when clearly you were.

Okay, fine. So you got my point way back, you've just chosen to stick your fingers in your ears and cry "lalalala I'm not listening." And, in the process, totally distorted the argument at hand.

Okay, so you are trolling. Ummm...Congrats?

I'd say not agreeing with your point and not getting it are two very different issues. Clearly you feel the need to try and insult me b/c you cannot debate the point sensibly. Your point has been made apparent you feel the PG rating isn't an issue. Which I agree with to a lesser extent. But, to ignore WWE pissing off the 18-34 demographic having nothing to do with the lower ratings is ignorant. How can you logically say the PG rating isn't connected to the ratings issue? You keep sidestepping my longer tirades conviently as well. Every time I raise an interesting issue, you keep saying I don't get it in order to make yourself come off as more intelligent. Ironic too, b/c you claim I have a distorted argument. To me, dismissing any opinion but your own is distorting the facts to make your argument hold up(which it doesn't since you never directly debate the points I raise).

You claim I'm not listening??? Weird you completely ignore certain posts of mine or take them out of context in order to make you look right in the debate. If you don't discuss the points b/c you don't agree with them, then that makes you narrow minded. I'd say that is dismissive and distorts the topic more than anything....

Tired too of seeing the word "trolling". It's another way for one person to state their opinion and accuse someone else of baiting them in. I must have a different definition of debating sensibly and logically then you do. In order to objectively discuss a topic, it requires actual conversation and intelligent responses. Saying b/c we don't see eye to eye I'm trolling is a moronic way of overlooking the issue here. Maybe expecting intelligent responses and actual conversation on this topic was setting the bar too high. Otherwise, it makes this thread one sided and not appropriately examined...

Droford

07-25-2011, 05:47 PM

Itd be funny if they all got together again and reshot that picture.

lol

captaincharismark

07-25-2011, 05:47 PM

So you've ignored what I asked, instead opting for another "challenge".

C'mon guy, just humour me. Shoot me an interesting angle that can't be produced under the PG Rating.

You can't challenge someone and not expect one back. I never ignored you, I simply was replying to your challenge. Wanting to hear solutions to a PG less WWE is lame and lazy on your part.

If you want to hear creative solutions, give the ppl here something to discuss. Throw out a scenario during the PG era where WWE failed, and I'll give you ways it could've been solved...

Ultra Mantis

07-25-2011, 05:57 PM

@ WadeBarrett
Wade Barrett

DB may know a few wristlock reversals, but when have you ever seen him pull off a move as innovative as 'The Wasteland'? Case closed.

lol come on now

Rammsteinmad

07-25-2011, 05:59 PM

Innovative? Does Wade Barrett think he's better than Kanyon?

Rammsteinmad

07-25-2011, 06:10 PM

Wow... forgot this thread even existed. Why do we need this thread anymore? Most videos just end up in the 100,000 thread anyway.

07-25-2011, 06:26 PM

Wow. Totally avoided the subject...just after bitching about others pretty much doing the same.

That "challenge" wasn't just for you by the way. It was for anyone that said "get rid of the PG shit".

One of your points was that the rating restricts creativity, all I'm asking is for you to suggest a storyline that would need the rating removed. It seems like one of those "fix all" things like ending the Brand Split, that on further inspection, holds very little water.

And how is it lazy on my part? Suely it's lazy to suggest a fix to a perceived problem but then not back it up with examples of how it would work/benefit the product?

In response to your counter-challenge (:roll:), off the top of my head, I can't think of a time that WWE "failed" in the PG Era - or specifically, a time that they failed because of the rating.