"100,001" Replies (Wrestling Forum)

[Hanso Amore]

Gran metallik is just so fucking smooth, I like him. I also think it's smart to focus on a masked Lucha star for the cruiser division. I figured that would go to Kallisto but he may be too WWEized.

Ibushi has been great in each match and I think his style will get over instantly. He also brings such an easy built in gimmick of being the Japanese kick master. I see him getting over easy with casual fans.

I haven't dug Perkins, I don't know why, I do like his submissions and how he transitions into them. And he has a gimmick more so than a lot of guys just being "a guy with cool moves" but he hasn't done much for me yet. I think he will grow on me.

Gargano won me over. I love him as Johnny Wrestling the hard working Indy guy that made it big, tough as nails and ready to fight. Ciampa to a lesser degree.

Tozawa could be the top cruiser heel no doubt, great charisma. Just being the wwe I think it will be hard to keep two Japanese guys over but if Ibushi isn't full time Tozawa could be and be the top heel.

Jack Gallagher was good but I don't know if his style will ran slate to the casual fan.

Cedric Alexander and rich swan are stars.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I can kind of agree with that entire summary from what I've seen. I really want Gargano & Ciampa to remain a tag team away from the cruiser scene though.

[Simple Fan]

Feel like the Raw Cruiserweight division is going to be a huge letdown compared to the CWC. You.Can tell they are giving the freedom in this tournament that they just won't get on Raw. Once it starts it will just be the same old over produced stuff that the rest the roster deals with.

[Cool King]

http://www.prowrestlingtees.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/b/u/bucks2004.png

The people that make Kix cereal might have a problem

What is this?

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Cody looks like he's having fun just getting in touch with "wrestling" again. Good for him. :y:

Chris Hero, as was said recently in that other video someone posted of him, just looks a complete mess. :nono:

Even though I know the state that Chris Hero is in these days, I'm always surprised when I see him.

[Big Vic]

I'm trying to imagine the shape they'd be in if Reigns turned heel at Survivor Series last year.

Or if HHH helped him instead of Owens

[Cool King]

Or if HHH helped him instead of Owens

I actually think that would have been better.

It would have been more shocking. When Triple H appeared, I had a strong feeling that he was about to help Owens.

[Hanso Amore]

Feel like the Raw Cruiserweight division is going to be a huge letdown compared to the CWC. You.Can tell they are giving the freedom in this tournament that they just won't get on Raw. Once it starts it will just be the same old over produced stuff that the rest the roster deals with.

I agree, but MAYBE somehow they will let HHH run the cruisers separate...Like WCW had a clear line of delineation between the cruisers and the "Stars"

Just let them wrestle without promos or stories.

It might even help make Braun coming out for Squashes a bigger deal when he they roll out a big hullabaloo when he Wrestles after a straight forward cruiser match without much production

[Hanso Amore]

I can kind of agree with that entire summary from what I've seen. I really want Gargano & Ciampa to remain a tag team away from the cruiser scene though.

Now its too late to add more titles, but I wish the Tag titles went to smackdown and Raw just has a Cruiser Tag. Really go all in on the alternate style.

I know it would rule out a bunch of tag teams on Raw. But New Day and the Club on Smackdown makes so much more sense and the WWE could seriously cut some teams and no one would care if they refilled with Cruisers.

Sabre and Dar
Gargano and Ciampa
Cedric and Swann
Tozawa and Kendrick

[Hanso Amore]

Wait I jsut read Sabre and Ibushi wont be sticking around but Dar will.

I guess the cruisers are currently

Johnny Gargano-Tommaso Ciampa-Brian Kendrick-Rich Swann-Noam Dar-TJ Perkins-Cedric Alexander-Akira Tozawa-Jack Gallagher-Gran Metalik

Have Metalik with the tourney and turn Perkins heel. Let them fight for the first Cruiser title. or the CWC cup or whatever gimmick you want.

On the side Kendrick and Tozawa Heel out against DIY. Two nice cruiserfeuds to start. let Cedric, Swann, Jack have good matches ( idont dig Noam much either) in the background without a story until their time comes.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I didn't really see anything in Noam Dar until his match with Sabre. I thought he was pretty good there. I can see an upside.

Sucks about Ibushi, but I really won't miss Sabre all that much. Sounds like a good division, though. Comparable at very least to WCW's cruisers in their heyday.

Unrelated note, I enjoy matches from both Nakamura and Asuka, but they should NEVER be allowed to talk. Takes a lot away from them, I feel.

[Innovator]

Asuka's mystic vanishes once she starts speaking in English, if anything give her a translator.

[Emperor Smeat]

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[Simple Fan]

Ibushi is smart. Cruiserweight division will not be anything like the CWC once they move up to the main roster. Will just be the same 50/50 booking and probably ruin everything good about their characters, especially Jack Gallagher.

[Lock Jaw]

http://i.imgur.com/JASzfrd.gif

What........

[Mr. Nerfect]

This is how TNA intends to draw money in 2016, haven't you heard?

[Fignuts]

Feel like the Raw Cruiserweight division is going to be a huge letdown compared to the CWC. You.Can tell they are giving the freedom in this tournament that they just won't get on Raw. Once it starts it will just be the same old over produced stuff that the rest the roster deals with.

I'm also worried about this. I mean these are the people who couldn't book Ultimo Dragon properly. How do you fuck up Ultimo Dragon? All you gotta do is say "15 minutes. Go." That's it. He does the rest.

So yeah. Not a lotta faith in an actual division.

[Cool King]

http://i.imgur.com/JASzfrd.gif

What on earth am I looking at?

[Mercenary]

Brilliance that's what

[Poit]

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[Lock Jaw]

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[Innovator]

Brilliance that's what

Broken Brilliance

[VSG]

I am long since over the broken gimmick.

[thecc]

Ronda Rousey was at tonight's AIW show.

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[Poit]

Is Backlash only two hours long, or something?

There are only six scheduled matches. Summerslam had thirteen scheduled matches.

[XL]

I'd be fine with the single brand shows being 2 hours.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Ambrose vs. Styles will go 20+. I also imagine that they are going to be trying different "brand specific" PPV fight feelings. I imagine Mauro Ranallo will do some sort of main event break-down (or possibly even one for every match) and they'll do some sort of promo videos for the title match at least.

The Women's Title will not be short. We won't see an elimination for at least 5 minutes in, most likely. If you pace it out 5 minutes a fall that whole thing could go 25 minutes. So let's throw away an hour for that and the WWE Title match.

The Tag Team Title thing is not going to be short either. Slater will be beaten up for about 15 minutes. The whole thing will probably go close to 20.

Miz vs. Ziggler will be about 15.

Orton vs. Wyatt will probably get a lot of time too.

There's probably going to be some backstage segments and angles.

Shane will want to do something on it.

They can easily fill up 2.5-3 hours with this.

[Cool King]

They could even add a random match on the night.

Something like Fandango or Tyler Breeze vs Kalisto or Corbin vs Crews, something like that to both fill up time and to give the younger talent some PPV time.

Or maybe even Kane appearing and doing his thing.

[Cool King]

Actually, thinking about it now, I get the feeling we're going to see a Kane/Corbin feud really soon.

Maybe it'll even begin at Backlash.

[Volare]

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[Volare]

Skip to 1:37.... for all of us wrestling trivia fiends!!

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[Emperor Smeat]

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[slik]

Is Backlash only two hours long, or something?


That is what I have been thinking. I would like that tbh, most takeover shows are 2 hours and I liked when In Your House PPVs were only two hours.

[slik]

I think they'll still have a pre-show match as well. I could see Baron Corbin vs someone random or Kane vs someone random getting that spot.

[Droford]

The original in your houses were only 2 hours long

[Cool King]

Just finished watching an old Raw on the network and it was the Raw that Kane unmasks.

I didn't notice it before, but when Kane and Triple H fight in the front row, there are three women who constantly grab Triple H's ass and can't stop laughing about it.

[Cool King]

Also, old WWE.com.

https://s15.postimg.io/3tinfz5y3/oldcom.png

[DAMN iNATOR]

Is Backlash only two hours long, or something?

There are only six scheduled matches. Summerslam had thirteen scheduled matches.

I've also been questioning the not very packed card...there's not even a single pre-show match...will there BE a pre-show even?

If I had the Network and was considering watching, I don't think I'd like the thought of promos and backstage segments as filler if the show is scheduled for 3 hours. Maybe we'll get a surprise/impromptu match of some sort?

[Shadrick]

How easy would it be to have Reigns turn and be a top heel for the company? This is so fucking dumb.

Honestly, it would have made SO much fucking sense that if they had done it when the iron was hot for it, he could be an over babyface by now

[DAMN iNATOR]

Was that when he was the Miz's tag team partner and/or a Confederate soldier?

qLEUKHE_8T0

Yep, sure was. The week he came out and interrupted Vince and Austin was a reaction to being forced to apologize by the RAW GM for throwing soda on a family of Cena fans the week before, and big surprise, they were a black family...really think they were plants, TBH, just for it to happen for Vince's twisted, racist amusement backstage. Oh, and the video of Truth throwing the soda in those people's faces was as a reminder to Truth as to why he needed to apologize, and in response he "seceded" from WWE, LOL.

[Fignuts]

Honestly, It would be great if they werr just giving the current matches a lot of time, but they'll probably just fill it with pointless nonsense.

[Emperor Smeat]

With the WWE doing a lot more ppvs now and Smackdown being a bit thin on both star power and roster size, probably would be the best for Smackdown ppvs to be 2 hours long.

Could take a page out of NXT and limit cards to 5-6 matches so matches get the time needed and no need to drag them to fill time nor have to add useless stuff to pad out the ppv. Also gives feuds not ppv worthy more time to reach it by the next Smackdown or joint ppv.

[Bad News Gertner]

Won Pat Patterson's book todsy doing show trivia on the 605 Superpodcast today. Pretty excited.

[Black Widow]

What's KO's favorite soda's?


Sprite Owens Sprite
KOka KOla

He prefers to drink them at Night Owen's Night

[Droford]

Last ever RAW is WAR 15 years ago today for obvious reasons.

[XL]

I've also been questioning the not very packed card...there's not even a single pre-show match...will there BE a pre-show even?

If I had the Network and was considering watching, I don't think I'd like the thought of promos and backstage segments as filler if the show is scheduled for 3 hours. Maybe we'll get a surprise/impromptu match of some sort?

There's a pre-show scheduled and the show is planned to go 3 hours according to the Network schedule for today.

[Cool King]

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[#1-norm-fan]

Seth Rollins was furiously masturbating whilst sexting a lady at that moment.

[Vastardikai]

Seth Rollins was furiously masturbating whilst sexting a lady at that moment.

Or so he thinks. He actually got catfished by Jericho.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'd be fine with Kane vs. Fandango at the PPV, just because Fandango is awesome.

[Mr. Nerfect]

God damn it, I just had one of those moments where I imagined a billionaire sinking some money into a true alternative to the WWE. Why do I tease myself so?

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

The Divas Match is Elimination. That will extend it.

[Poit]

The Divas Match is Elimination. That will extend it.

Ah, crap. The title for the match didn't say anything about it being an elimination match, so I forgot to make it an elimination match in Tipsters.

Oh well.

[Mr. Nerfect]

They have to beat all the girls at once, you see.

[Cool King]

I was watching an old Raw on the network again and I have to ask....

https://s22.postimg.io/5is8ph8dd/Untitledr.png

What is up with Edge's arms?

They just look really weird. Like flesh coloured blocks.

[Cool King]

I'm just assuming that it's a really badly edited photo of him.

He doesn't even have a waist.

[Emperor Smeat]

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[Emperor Smeat]

Cien Almas rumored to want to leave the WWE according to a recent interview by Del Rio.

Alberto Del Rio also said that NXT star Andrade “Cien” Almas is unhappy in WWE and wants to return to Mexico. “I talked to my good friend Manny and poor guy, he wants to come back. Unfortunately, when you go to that company you have to abide by their rules. That’s just how it is. It’s the nature of our business. I always put it like this. There is a problem with all the talent that goes there, it’s the inability to speak the language. ”

[Disturbed316]

Good, he's shit.

[Fignuts]

How is he shit?

[Mr. Nerfect]

The WWE really does suck at presenting Hispanic stars. They don't really seem to get what made them big deals in lucha libre and just kind of throw them out there as soft flippy guys.

[Nicky Fives]

It doesn't help the hispanic stars any that the majority make their name not having to speak much, thus are well behind promo-wise..... really make Rey Mysterio stick out as the amazing talent he is....

[Evil Vito]

There is no doubt in my mind that WWE would have found a way to fuck up Rey Mysterio had he not already come in with name recognition in the states from his time in WCW. If he were coming in right from AAA or something he'd have flopped just like the rest.

[Volare]

Universal Champ : Kevin Owens
WWE Champ : AJ Styles
SD Tag team Champs : Heath Slater and Rhyno
Raw Tag Champs : New Day
SD Women's Champ : Becky Lynch
Raw Women's Champ : Charlotte
Intercontinental Champ : The Miz
US Champ : Rusev
NXT Women's Champ : Asuka
NXT Champ : Shinsuke Nakamura
NXT Tag Champs : The Revival


That's a damn good list right there.

[Big Vic]

card/ date<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="head"><th width="17%">
</th><th colspan="3">match</th><th width="15%">match type</th><th width="15%">title(s)</th></tr><tr class="chequered"><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WWE Backlash '16 (http://profightdb.com/cards/wwe/backlash-3916-24716.html)
Sep 11th 2016</td><td width="22%">Kane (http://profightdb.com/wrestlers/kane-197.html)</td><td width="9%">def. (pin)</td><td width="22%">Bray Wyatt</td><td>no holds barred</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WWE Backlash '16 (http://profightdb.com/cards/wwe/backlash-3916-24716.html)
Sep 11th 2016</td><td width="22%">Bray Wyatt</td><td width="9%">def. (forfeit)</td><td width="22%">Randy Orton (http://profightdb.com/wrestlers/randy-orton-384.html)</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr class="chequered"><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WWE WWE Live (Smackdown) (http://profightdb.com/cards/wwe/wwe-live-smackdown-24710.html)
Sep 10th 2016</td><td width="22%">Kane (http://profightdb.com/wrestlers/kane-197.html)</td><td width="9%">def. (pin)</td><td width="22%">Bray Wyatt</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WWE Smackdown Live (http://profightdb.com/cards/wwe/smackdown-live-24668.html)
Sep 6th 2016</td><td width="22%">Dean Ambrose (http://profightdb.com/wrestlers/dean-ambrose-3069.html) & John Cena (http://profightdb.com/wrestlers/john-cena-350.html)</td><td width="9%">def. (pin)</td><td width="22%">A.J. Styles (http://profightdb.com/wrestlers/aj-styles-752.html) & Bray Wyatt</td><td>dark
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr class="chequered"><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WWE Smackdown Live (http://profightdb.com/cards/wwe/smackdown-live-24632.html)
Aug 30th 2016</td><td width="22%">John Cena (http://profightdb.com/wrestlers/john-cena-350.html) & Roman Reigns (http://profightdb.com/wrestlers/roman-reigns-6728.html)</td><td width="9%">def. (pin)</td><td width="22%">Bray Wyatt & Seth Rollins (http://profightdb.com/wrestlers/seth-rollins-3328.html)</td><td>dark
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WWE WWE Live (http://profightdb.com/cards/wwe/wwe-live-24626.html)
Aug 29th 2016</td><td width="22%">Dean Ambrose (http://profightdb.com/wrestlers/dean-ambrose-3069.html) (c)</td><td width="9%">def. (pin)</td><td width="22%">Bray Wyatt, Dolph Ziggler (http://profightdb.com/wrestlers/dolph-ziggler-450.html)</td><td> 3-way Match</td><td>WWE World Championship
</td></tr><tr class="chequered"><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WWE WWE Live (http://profightdb.com/cards/wwe/wwe-live-24602.html)
Aug 28th 2016</td><td width="22%">Dean Ambrose (http://profightdb.com/wrestlers/dean-ambrose-3069.html) (c)</td><td width="9%">def. (pin)</td><td width="22%">A.J. Styles (http://profightdb.com/wrestlers/aj-styles-752.html), Bray Wyatt</td><td> 3-way Match</td><td>WWE World Championship
</td></tr><tr><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WWE WWE Live (http://profightdb.com/cards/wwe/wwe-live-24596.html)
Aug 27th 2016</td><td width="22%">Dean Ambrose (http://profightdb.com/wrestlers/dean-ambrose-3069.html) (c)</td><td width="9%">def. (pin)</td><td width="22%">A.J. Styles (http://profightdb.com/wrestlers/aj-styles-752.html), Bray Wyatt</td><td> 3-way Match</td><td>WWE World Championship
</td></tr><tr class="chequered"><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WWE WWE Live (http://profightdb.com/cards/wwe/wwe-live-24591.html)
Aug 26th 2016</td><td width="22%">Dean Ambrose (http://profightdb.com/wrestlers/dean-ambrose-3069.html) (c)</td><td width="9%">def. (pin)</td><td width="22%">A.J. Styles (http://profightdb.com/wrestlers/aj-styles-752.html), Bray Wyatt</td><td> 3-way Match</td><td>WWE World Championship
</td></tr><tr><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WWE Smackdown Live (http://profightdb.com/cards/wwe/smackdown-live-24573.html)
Aug 23rd 2016</td><td width="22%">Dean Ambrose (http://profightdb.com/wrestlers/dean-ambrose-3069.html) & John Cena (http://profightdb.com/wrestlers/john-cena-350.html) & Roman Reigns (http://profightdb.com/wrestlers/roman-reigns-6728.html)</td><td width="9%">def. (pin)</td><td width="22%">Bray Wyatt & Erick Rowan (http://profightdb.com/wrestlers/erick-rowan-5369.html) & Seth Rollins (http://profightdb.com/wrestlers/seth-rollins-3328.html)</td><td>dark
6-person tag</td><td>
</td></tr><tr class="chequered"><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WWE WWE Live - SummerSlam Heatwave Tour (http://profightdb.com/cards/wwe/wwe-live---summerslam-heatwave-tour-24552.html)
Aug 14th 2016</td><td width="22%">Randy Orton (http://profightdb.com/wrestlers/randy-orton-384.html)</td><td width="9%">def. (pin)</td><td width="22%">Bray Wyatt</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WWE WWE Live - SummerSlam Heatwave Tour (http://profightdb.com/cards/wwe/wwe-live---summerslam-heatwave-tour-24551.html)
Aug 13th 2016</td><td width="22%">Randy Orton (http://profightdb.com/wrestlers/randy-orton-384.html)</td><td width="9%">def. (pin)</td><td width="22%">Bray Wyatt</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr class="chequered"><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WWE Smackdown Live (http://profightdb.com/cards/wwe/smackdown-live-24531.html)
Aug 9th 2016</td><td width="22%">Dean Ambrose (http://profightdb.com/wrestlers/dean-ambrose-3069.html) (c)</td><td width="9%">def. (DQ)</td><td width="22%">Bray Wyatt</td><td>dark
</td><td>WWE Championship
</td></tr><tr><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WWE Smackdown Live (http://profightdb.com/cards/wwe/smackdown-live-24531.html)
Aug 9th 2016</td><td width="22%">Dean Ambrose (http://profightdb.com/wrestlers/dean-ambrose-3069.html) & Dolph Ziggler (http://profightdb.com/wrestlers/dolph-ziggler-450.html)</td><td width="9%">def. (pin)</td><td width="22%">Bray Wyatt & Erick Rowan (http://profightdb.com/wrestlers/erick-rowan-5369.html)</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr class="chequered"><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WWE WWE Live - SummerSlam Heatwave Tour (http://profightdb.com/cards/wwe/wwe-live---summerslam-heatwave-tour-24518.html)
Aug 7th 2016</td><td width="22%">Randy Orton (http://profightdb.com/wrestlers/randy-orton-384.html)</td><td width="9%">def. (pin)</td><td width="22%">Bray Wyatt</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WWE WWE Live - SummerSlam Heatwave Tour (http://profightdb.com/cards/wwe/wwe-live---summerslam-heatwave-tour-24507.html)
Aug 6th 2016</td><td width="22%">Randy Orton (http://profightdb.com/wrestlers/randy-orton-384.html)</td><td width="9%">def. (pin)</td><td width="22%">Bray Wyatt</td><td>
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr class="chequered"><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WWE Smackdown Live (http://profightdb.com/cards/wwe/smackdown-live-24472.html)
Aug 2nd 2016</td><td width="22%">Dolph Ziggler (http://profightdb.com/wrestlers/dolph-ziggler-450.html)</td><td width="9%">def. (pin)</td><td width="22%">Bray Wyatt</td><td>commentator: Dean Ambrose (http://profightdb.com/wrestlers/dean-ambrose-3069.html)</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WWE WWE Live - SummerSlam Heatwave Tour (http://profightdb.com/cards/wwe/wwe-live---summerslam-heatwave-tour-24445.html)
Jul 31st 2016</td><td width="22%">Big E (http://profightdb.com/wrestlers/big-e-6446.html) & Kofi Kingston (http://profightdb.com/wrestlers/kofi-kingston-3295.html) & Xavier Woods (http://profightdb.com/wrestlers/xavier-woods-3272.html)</td><td width="9%">def. (pin)</td><td width="22%">Braun Strowman (http://profightdb.com/wrestlers/braun-strowman-9702.html) & Bray Wyatt & Erick Rowan (http://profightdb.com/wrestlers/erick-rowan-5369.html)</td><td>6-person tag</td><td>
</td></tr><tr class="chequered"><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WWE WWE Live - SummerSlam Heatwave Tour (http://profightdb.com/cards/wwe/wwe-live---summerslam-heatwave-tour-24443.html)
Jul 30th 2016</td><td width="22%">Big E (http://profightdb.com/wrestlers/big-e-6446.html) & Kofi Kingston (http://profightdb.com/wrestlers/kofi-kingston-3295.html) & Xavier Woods (http://profightdb.com/wrestlers/xavier-woods-3272.html)</td><td width="9%">def. (pin)</td><td width="22%">Braun Strowman (http://profightdb.com/wrestlers/braun-strowman-9702.html) & Bray Wyatt & Erick Rowan (http://profightdb.com/wrestlers/erick-rowan-5369.html)</td><td>6-person tag</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WWE WWE Live - SummerSlam Heatwave Tour (http://profightdb.com/cards/wwe/wwe-live---summerslam-heatwave-tour-24441.html)
Jul 29th 2016</td><td width="22%">Big E (http://profightdb.com/wrestlers/big-e-6446.html) & Kofi Kingston (http://profightdb.com/wrestlers/kofi-kingston-3295.html) & Xavier Woods (http://profightdb.com/wrestlers/xavier-woods-3272.html)</td><td width="9%">def. (pin)</td><td width="22%">Braun Stowman (http://profightdb.com/wrestlers/braun-strowman-9702.html) & Bray Wyatt & Erick Rowan (http://profightdb.com/wrestlers/erick-rowan-5369.html)</td><td>6-person tag</td><td>
</td></tr><tr class="chequered"><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WWE Smackdown Live (http://profightdb.com/cards/wwe/smackdown-live-24438.html)
Jul 26th 2016</td><td width="22%">Dean Ambrose (http://profightdb.com/wrestlers/dean-ambrose-3069.html) & Roman Reigns (http://profightdb.com/wrestlers/roman-reigns-6728.html)</td><td width="9%">def. (pin)</td><td width="22%">Bray Wyatt & Seth Rollins (http://profightdb.com/wrestlers/seth-rollins-3328.html)</td><td>dark
</td><td>
</td></tr><tr><td>http://profightdb.com/img/flags/us.gif WWE Smackdown Live (http://profightdb.com/cards/wwe/smackdown-live-24438.html)
Jul 26th 2016</td><td width="22%">Dolph Ziggler (http://profightdb.com/wrestlers/dolph-ziggler-450.html)</td><td width="9%">def. (pin)</td><td width="22%">A.J. Styles (http://profightdb.com/wrestlers/aj-styles-752.html), Apollo Crews (http://profightdb.com/wrestlers/apollo-crews-8105.html), Baron Corbin (http://profightdb.com/wrestlers/baron-corbin-9251.html), Bray Wyatt, John Cena (http://profightdb.com/wrestlers/john-cena-350.html)</td></tr></tbody></table>

[thekrow]

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14291868_1280899615278283_6518347240488052944_n.jpg?oh=744504ac857e9fe855850309ef260a4a&oe=5883E98C


HUGE match announced for next week. Storm and J.D Bolduc are going to finally defend their titles against BOTH Team FTW and The Dawning. This sounds like a potential match of the year contender as all three teams are incredible. I cant see how CHW can have Storm & J.D Bolduc retain but then again, if they do win, it will cement them as a credible force in CHW for years to come.


Any predictions for what will happen in this match?

[Blonde Moment]

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14291868_1280899615278283_6518347240488052944_n.jpg?oh=744504ac857e9fe855850309ef260a4a&oe=5883E98C


HUGE match announced for next week. Storm and J.D Bolduc are going to finally defend their titles against BOTH Team FTW and The Dawning. This sounds like a potential match of the year contender as all three teams are incredible. I cant see how CHW can have Storm & J.D Bolduc retain but then again, if they do win, it will cement them as a credible force in CHW for years to come.


Any predictions for what will happen in this match?

I predict this post will be moved

[Heisenberg]

Good, he's shit.

How is he shit?



Someone is getting scooped #getscooped

[Emperor Smeat]

http://67.media.tumblr.com/cf97728500713eb496dba567782ae626/tumblr_odddg8p06N1u1ljrzo1_500.gif

[Frank Drebin]

Universal Champ : Kevin Owens
WWE Champ : AJ Styles
SD Tag team Champs : Heath Slater and Rhyno
Raw Tag Champs : New Day
SD Women's Champ : Becky Lynch
Raw Women's Champ : Charlotte
Intercontinental Champ : The Miz
US Champ : Rusev
NXT Women's Champ : Asuka
NXT Champ : Shinsuke Nakamura
NXT Tag Champs : The Revival


That's a damn good list right there.

That's also, like, 70% of the entire roster. Where's Oprah? You get a title, you get a title....

[Frank Drebin]

Too much wrestling now. I'm supposed to watch a ppv every other week along with Raw on Mondays, SD on Tues, nxt and cwc on Wed. Jesus. That doesn't even include the "other" stuff that might have some fun nuggets in there like Suoerstars, Main Event or Talking Smack.

[Cool King]

Universal Champ : Kevin Owens
WWE Champ : AJ Styles
SD Tag team Champs : Heath Slater and Rhyno
Raw Tag Champs : New Day
SD Women's Champ : Becky Lynch
Raw Women's Champ : Charlotte
Intercontinental Champ : The Miz
US Champ : Rusev
NXT Women's Champ : Asuka
NXT Champ : Shinsuke Nakamura
NXT Tag Champs : The Revival


That's a damn good list right there.

Still doesn't beat this though.

http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lx5syqYQOX1qzvw5po1_1280.jpg

[Cool King]

In my opinion anyway.

[Volare]

You're good with me on that argument lol.

[Gerard]

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/VxeU_0r4pEg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Fucking hell, first Haku gets dumped on his head then Jimmy Hart gets press slammed into the mat almost face first. 8:15 mark. :eek::n:

[Innovator]

It's Haku, it didn't even phase him.

[Cool King]

Just found out that Rhyno made history last night.

When he won the SmackDown Tag Team Championships with Heath Slater, it was his first title win in the WWE in 15 years, as his last title win was in 2001 when he won the US Title.

His win last night means that he broke The New Age Outlaws' record for longest time between reigns, which was previously at 14 years.

[Simple Fan]

Still doesn't beat this though.

http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lx5syqYQOX1qzvw5po1_1280.jpg

A lot beats that. Cody and Beth are the only good ones there. Pretty sure I'd stopped watching WWE during that time because I don't remember Punk and Bryan being champions at the same time.

[Emperor Smeat]

Some news about Cena's next return and him being a part-timer till next year's Road to Mania.

As previously reported, John Cena is being kept off WWE television as part of a storyline with AJ Styles and the two are expected to face each other sometime later down the road.

We have learned that Cena is scheduled to work the next SmackDown brand WWE Network special event, presumably against Styles but that has not been yet confirmed. The next SmackDown brand event is WWE No Mercy, which takes place on October 9th. Cena will take another hiatus from the company shortly after No Mercy to start filming the second season of American Grit, which would keep him off WWE programming for the rest of the year.

Cena wrestled the tour in Manila and Shanghai and is scheduled to work Monday's SmackDown WWE Live Event in Fairfx, VA. and Tuesday's SmackDown taping in Philadelphia. It is possible that Cena could setup his next bout with Styles as early as this coming Tuesday.

[Jordan]

I am so pumped for the Cruiserweight division on Raw. With Corey Graves on the stick he should be able to hold some resemblance of what Bryan/Mauro brought. This is gonna change shit. WCW's cruiser division did, and these guys as a whole are almost equal to perhaps better than WCW's cruiser heyday.

The latest episode was amazing.

[owenbrown]

Some news about Cena's next return and him being a part-timer till next year's Road to Mania.

fuck. do NOT give Cena a 16th title reign, WWE. :n:

[Simple Fan]

I am so pumped for the Cruiserweight division on Raw. With Corey Graves on the stick he should be able to hold some resemblance of what Bryan/Mauro brought. This is gonna change shit. WCW's cruiser division did, and these guys as a whole are almost equal to perhaps better than WCW's cruiser heyday.

The latest episode was amazing.

CWC has been great but I have no faith in it transferring over to Raw. Will just be the same 50/50 booking.

[GD]

I am so pumped for the Cruiserweight division on Raw. With Corey Graves on the stick he should be able to hold some resemblance of what Bryan/Mauro brought. This is gonna change shit. WCW's cruiser division did, and these guys as a whole are almost equal to perhaps better than WCW's cruiser heyday.

The latest episode was amazing.

I am glad that JBL won't be calling any of the matches.

[Bad News Gertner]

Really hope Cena breaks Flairs title record

[Savio]

I don't, He won titles in a company that had 2 world titles.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Cena vs. AJ Styles is THE World Title feud in WWE right now.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Everything else is major mid-card except for Brock.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Ryback is in the process of legally changing his name to Ryback. I can imagine him signing with TNA and them being like "We want to call you The Wrathener" and he's like ":|".

[Mr. Nerfect]

Kevin Nash is doing a Guest Booker with Kayfabe Commentaries. That should be sweet. He's booking him and Scott Hall should they have stayed with the WWF in 1996.

[Jordan]

I don't, He won titles in a company that had 2 world titles.

I think Flair did too, or was he in WWF at that point?

[Big Vic]

Just found out that Rhyno made history last night.

When he won the SmackDown Tag Team Championships with Heath Slater, it was his first title win in the WWE in 15 years, as his last title win was in 2001 when he won the US Title.

His win last night means that he broke The New Age Outlaws' record for longest time between reigns, which was previously at 14 years.Doesn't Fabulous Moolah have that record?

[Big Vic]

Oh wait no I'm wrong Moolah held the title in 1987...

[mike adamle]

Still doesn't beat this though.

http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lx5syqYQOX1qzvw5po1_1280.jpg

Nothing beats the golden period of September 18th, 2006- October 18th, 2006 when the champions were such legends as:

WWE Champion John Cena!!!!
WWE World Heavyweight Champion Batista!!!!
WWE Intercontinental World Heavyweight Champion The Nature Boy Ric Flair!!!
WWE United States World Heavyweight Champion The Rabid Wolverine, The Killer Chris Benoit!!!!
WWE World Tag Team Heavyweight World Champions Lance Cade!! & Trevor Murdoch!!
WWE Tag Team Champions The Legendary Team Of The Legion Of Doom!!!!!! (Animal & Heidenreich)
WWE Women's Champion Trish Stratus!!!
WWE Money In The Bank Holder EDGE!!!

What a time to be alive that was!!!

[GD]

I am not happy with the renaming of the WWE Tag Team Championships. While I understand that it makes it easy to separate them from the newer straps, it creates confusion for us old timers who first saw them on the Smackdown roster. It also creates confusion for the idiots on WWE.com who can't distinguish between them and the now defunct World Tag Team titles.

[GD]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Morning...just two dudes hanging out...with their titles. <a href="https://t.co/y6yByV5d9r">pic.twitter.com/y6yByV5d9r</a></p>&mdash; Adam Cole (@AdamColePro) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamColePro/status/775719879114645504">September 13, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Simple Fan]

Cole pretty much has a WWE contract when ever he's ready to come in. Wouldn't mind him going to NXT to start either.

[Volare]

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<iframe width="640" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/mAPhiSWTcLA?feature=player_detailpage" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[Cool King]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Morning...just two dudes hanging out...with their titles. <a href="https://t.co/y6yByV5d9r">pic.twitter.com/y6yByV5d9r</a></p>&mdash; Adam Cole (@AdamColePro) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamColePro/status/775719879114645504">September 13, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

....along with the hotel porter who took the picture.

[Emperor Smeat]

https://66.media.tumblr.com/9b34a556e4ffac2c1c2d09e2c0d129ea/tumblr_odbfanEaG81sj4xr4o1_400.gif

[Black Widow]

Still doesn't beat this though.

http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lx5syqYQOX1qzvw5po1_1280.jpgI think it does cause of the douchebag with the WWE title and the douchebag with the US title.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I am not happy with the renaming of the WWE Tag Team Championships. While I understand that it makes it easy to separate them from the newer straps, it creates confusion for us old timers who first saw them on the Smackdown roster. It also creates confusion for the idiots on WWE.com who can't distinguish between them and the now defunct World Tag Team titles.

I completely get what you are saying. But, that being said, the RAW/SmackDown dynamic is the only way it makes sense to have more than one set of belts. You can't have a WWE World Title and a WWE Universal Title and it make sense. But you can have a RAW World Title and a SmackDown World Title if each are treated as separately sanctioned promotions.

[Dark One]

If your day's going poorly, just watch this:

http://i.imgur.com/71Mbn0D.gif

[Mr. Nerfect]

Rusev now from Rusev where he started is night and day. The guy is amazing.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Also, still going to go out on a limb and say that I think his ultimate potential is as a babyface. I don't know when or how they get there -- I honestly thought League of Nations might have been a way to achieve this -- but there's something likable about the guy. There's realism in his eyes. He can move like a killer all he wants, but he's got the soul of a lover, you can see it.

[Simple Fan]

I completely get what you are saying. But, that being said, the RAW/SmackDown dynamic is the only way it makes sense to have more than one set of belts. You can't have a WWE World Title and a WWE Universal Title and it make sense. But you can have a RAW World Title and a SmackDown World Title if each are treated as separately sanctioned promotions.

But there are WWE World and WWE Universal titles and it makes sense. What doesn't make sense is having the Women's and Tag divisions just be Raw and Smackdown branded. WWE Universal Women's Champion sounds a lot better than WWE Raw Women's Champion. Same thing for the Tag division, it just make the title sound like it's something. Raw and Smackdown just sounds generic and uncreative to me.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Nah, World/Universal fucking sucks. It means the same fucking thing. You cannot have TWO World Champions, you just cannot do it. That's why when people race and they tie for second they get equal third. By the logic the WWE is employing, you could create a Global Title, a Planetary Title, an Earth Title, and an All Nations Title and say "They're all World Titles."

No, the Universal Title is the top title on the RAW brand. The World Title is the top title on the SmackDown brand. They are the ONE World Title to each of their own sanctioning bodies. It's the only way this thing can work. Therefore, RAW and SmackDown need to be treated as promotions. If you really do treat them separately, then you can have a World Title, Tag Team Title, Women's Title, etc.

[Droford]

If your day's going poorly, just watch this:

http://i.imgur.com/71Mbn0D.gif

Everyone was chanting thank you Rusev at the end after it went off and he grabbed a Mic and said "I don't need your thanks". We responded "thank you anyway"

It was funny

[Mr. Nerfect]

The other way is to keep the World Title, Women's Title and Tag Titles are floating belts like the NWA days. It's a bit hard, since you won't really be sending your champions around the place, and it would require each brand to somewhat surrender its own autonomy a bit.

Either that or before you fly off the handle and commission a brand split in the first place, you actually try and make SmackDown good. A Mauro Ranallo/Daniel Bryan commentary team, with angles that flow throughout the week. Just because there isn't a brand split doesn't mean you can't have "SmackDown-specific" things happening too. For example, this Cesaro vs. Sheamus Best of Seven Series could take place entirely on SmackDown. If Cena wants to keep working part-time, why not have his schedule change to ensure he works on the Tuesdays and you have to watch SmackDown to see him?

It seems like they made SmackDown as shitty as possible, with main events repeated on RAW the next week in the mid-card, with no main event talent, and nothing that really felt exclusive beyond Mauro and King's commentary. They went from that to "ENTIRELY ITS OWN THING!!11" and now they need Jinder Mahal and Curt Hawkins to come back to the WWE in order to pad out their rosters, probably forgetting why they fired them in the first place.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Everyone was chanting thank you Rusev at the end after it went off and he grabbed a Mic and said "I don't need your thanks". We responded "thank you anyway"

It was funny

Lol. Rusev trying to be a good heel. Antiquated idea.

Man, I actually hope that Reigns wins at Clash of Champions. The crowd is going to boo like crazy for him, and he'd actually make a really good United States Champion in my opinion. Given how long he has been in the business, he really should be tearing up the mid-card scene in the most exciting way possible.

Rusev has been ushering in sneak attacks, but when Cole says things like "Rusev is defending the honor of his wife," I remember what Jim Ross says about Bill Watts pulling him aside as a rookie commentator and telling him there are words you can use for babyfaces and their are words you can use for heels. You wouldn't talk about "the heart of Kevin Owens" for example. He's a bad guy. You'd say "the desperation of Kevin Owens." Cole talking about Lana's "honor" is about as babyface as it gets. "Rusev is still bitter," "Rusev cowardly assaulting," "Rusev picking a fight with an exhausted Roman Reigns," etc. Come on, Cole.

[Droford]

Jack Swagger will save Smackdown..lol

[Mr. Nerfect]

The Rock vs. Rusev would actually be a really fun feud if they could get The Rock back in the ring. Rusev as a Bulgarian SJW standing up for his wife who has been mercilessly slut-shamed by the Bloodline.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Jack Swagger will save Smackdown..lol

Yeah, got no clue where they are going with this, if anywhere at all. This could very easily just be Swagger saying to Vince "Hey boss, my contract is coming up and I'm worthless to you right now, how about you give me the chance to do something," and Vince being all "Here's what we've got for ya, you big sack of crap."

[Mr. Nerfect]

I had this idea that he could jump to SmackDown and team with Kane. Like, not a good idea; more of a premonition.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol, over on 411Mania, the home of Gertner, there is an article talking about the debut of Bin Wang. In the headline it calls him "Big Wang." :lol:

[Mr. Nerfect]

He looked pretty decent. Beat Bo Dallas with a Running Powerslam.

[Simple Fan]

Nah, World/Universal fucking sucks. It means the same fucking thing. You cannot have TWO World Champions, you just cannot do it. That's why when people race and they tie for second they get equal third. By the logic the WWE is employing, you could create a Global Title, a Planetary Title, an Earth Title, and an All Nations Title and say "They're all World Titles."

No, the Universal Title is the top title on the RAW brand. The World Title is the top title on the SmackDown brand. They are the ONE World Title to each of their own sanctioning bodies. It's the only way this thing can work. Therefore, RAW and SmackDown need to be treated as promotions. If you really do treat them separately, then you can have a World Title, Tag Team Title, Women's Title, etc.

I agree with you that World and Universal are the same thing. Makes each brand equal and that's how it should be. That's why each brand should have it's Tag and Women's divisions branded as such.

[Emperor Smeat]

Slater's new merch on WWE's online store:

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160913/de381b47d8db4747cd61e6366f6ce715.jpg
http://shop.wwe.com/heath-slater-i-got-kids-authentic-t-shirt/W12317.html?dwvar_W12317_color=Black#start=4

[Cool King]

It's good that he's finally got a T-shirt of his own, but I was really expecting something better.

[Cool King]

His name isn't even on it.

[Lock Jaw]

A fine shirt to wear to your next job interview

[Cool King]

Also, it seems like they've left it too late to release this T-shirt.

It would have made more sense for them to release the T-shirt when he first said he had kids and needed the job, all those weeks ago.

If they did, you would have seen so many people wearing it on SmackDown each week, as Slater's support grew as he chased the job he really wanted and needed, but now the WWE release a T-shirt for Slater referencing that he needs the job, but only after he's actually managed to get the job.

[Droford]

I was mad the merch stand didn't even have a 2x Kevin Owens Show shirt..let alone a 3x.

[thecc]

I'm way more excited for this than i should be.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">TheWholeShebang: Tracy Smothers vs Swoggle <a href="https://t.co/Q2S9RT0jXh">pic.twitter.com/Q2S9RT0jXh</a></p>&mdash; aiwrestling .com (@aiwrestling) <a href="https://twitter.com/aiwrestling/status/774701755619737600">September 10, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[Emperor Smeat]

https://i.redd.it/6n9kxefplclx.jpg

[Volare]

So since we got a Harley now, can Becky dress up as Poison Ivy?

[Mr. Nerfect]

I agree with you that World and Universal are the same thing. Makes each brand equal and that's how it should be. That's why each brand should have it's Tag and Women's divisions branded as such.

You CANNOT have two #1 guys. I'm sorry, it just doesn't work.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

No that's Peyton Royce's character.

[Mr. Nerfect]

His name isn't even on it.

I kind of like that. Makes it less embarrassing to wear as a regular shirt.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

You CANNOT have two #1 guys. I'm sorry, it just doesn't work.

<img style="-webkit-user-select: none" src="http://cdn.inquisitr.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/wwe-rumors-the-revival-dash-dawson-nxt.jpg">

Top Guys, out

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

I kind of like that. Makes it less embarrassing to wear as a regular shirt.

Not really without his name looks like a shitty comedy shirt you could find at a Walmart.

[Mr. Nerfect]

<img style="-webkit-user-select: none" src="http://cdn.inquisitr.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/wwe-rumors-the-revival-dash-dawson-nxt.jpg">

Top Guys, out

They should be the Planetary Tag Team Champions.

[Evil Vito]

I just figured treating the shows like separate promotions is the only reason they have two sets of belts in the first place. This is part of the reason why I don't want interbrand matches to exist at all bar the Royal Rumble, Andre the Giant Memorial Battle Royal, and MAYBE Money in the Bank since the concept is so played out that I'd rather not have each show with its own briefcase.

The second they start bending the rules "oh, WrestleMania is coming, may as well have all the talent on both shows" they're fucked just like they were the first time.

[Evil Vito]

And in the spirit of keeping the brand separate, I'd really like if they stopped running ads for the opposing show's PPV. Sure I guess it could be explained away that the other show bought ad space but it's still stupid. If they are supposed to be rival promotions, own it.

[Bad News Gertner]

I'm way more excited for this than i should be.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">TheWholeShebang: Tracy Smothers vs Swoggle <a href="https://t.co/Q2S9RT0jXh">pic.twitter.com/Q2S9RT0jXh</a></p>&mdash; aiwrestling .com (@aiwrestling) <a href="https://twitter.com/aiwrestling/status/774701755619737600">September 10, 2016</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Smothers is fucking hilarious. That should be a fun match.

[Vastardikai]

I'm way more excited for this than i should be.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">TheWholeShebang: Tracy Smothers vs Swoggle <a href="https://t.co/Q2S9RT0jXh">pic.twitter.com/Q2S9RT0jXh</a></p>&mdash; aiwrestling .com (@aiwrestling) <a href="https://twitter.com/aiwrestling/status/774701755619737600">September 10, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Only if Swoggle wears a bear costume. Pretty sure Tracy is the last legit wrestler to take on an actual bear.

[screech]

And in the spirit of keeping the brand separate, I'd really like if they stopped running ads for the opposing show's PPV. Sure I guess it could be explained away that the other show bought ad space but it's still stupid. If they are supposed to be rival promotions, own it.

I was thinking about this on Backlash, and I agree with you. I get both events air on the same network, but the brands are competing. The commentary teams take shots at the rival shows, even. Why would Shane or Stephanie let that ad on the show?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Tracy Smothers could be a great agent/trainer for WWE.

[Black Widow]

https://anonmgur.com/up/743b1c7a4c9f5eb428a1eab2a24f701f.png

[#BROKEN Hasney]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CsVYbT7WAAAZDRY.jpg

Yakuza 6 going to be the best wrestling game of 2017

[GD]

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/31EAOmQK1ts" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[Emperor Smeat]

https://i.imgur.com/q5RqS6x.jpg

[Cool King]

https://anonmgur.com/up/743b1c7a4c9f5eb428a1eab2a24f701f.png

Yeah, how dare he try something new.

What a piece of shit he is.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I've got no problem with Punk trying UFC. It was his body and rep he was putting on the line. I can understand MMA fighters being upset that he gets to jump the cue based on his "freak show" status though. It's all about the money though, and it'll be curious to see wha the UFC 203 buyrate is.

[Vastardikai]

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First off, I enjoyed Punk losing. But I was aware enough to get that he got paid big bucks because people wanted to see him win or lose.

And these marks don't get it. MMA is just as much a business as it is a sport. If you think Dana would go with another generic frat bro with generic tribal tattoos who you can't tell from the last one instead of a guy with an interesting story who will likely net you a swimming pool full of money, you're a mark and a fool.

I also promise you that these folks said precisely dick about Kimbo Slice's run in UFC. But Jones is on to something. A Justin Bieber fight would be the highest grossing event in MMA history.

[Emperor Smeat]

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[Droford]

The Undertaker, Brock Lesnar, Bill Goldberg and Sting are believed to have expressed their desire to return to WWE, just days after the former WCW and WWE champion Goldberg hinted at his possible comeback in an interview. Goldberg's last match was against The Beast Incarnate at WrestleMania 20 in 2004.
Rumour mills were in over drive about Goldberg squaring off against the Next Big Thing at WrestleMania 33, which is scheduled to be held on 2 April 2017. Further, reports suggest that the four former WWE superstars might just go against each other in a four-way match at the event.


link (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/undertaker-brock-lesnar-goldberg-sting-could-square-off-wrestlemania-33-fatal-4-way-match-1581282?utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=rss&utm_content=/rss/yahoous/news&yptr=yahoo&ref=yfp)
Seems like the stupidest idea of all time

[Wishbone]

Don't really want to see any of them back honestly, but Goldberg would be the least awful imo. Undertaker's mystique is shot at this point, and honestly he doesn't have anywhere to go anymore except maybe the fabled Cena match which even sounds bad at this point. As for Sting I was under the impression that he was physically incapable of a return. Did I miss something?

Goldberg vs Lesnar would be really meh, but at least it'd probably draw some money. Honestly I'd rather see Lesnar start fighting the new guys. I mean Lesnar can't stick around forever, and I think some of the younger talent like Owens, Cesaro, etc could use the rub. They don't even have to win at this point since just surviving a Lesnar attack is sort of a badge of honor now.

[Emperor Smeat]

Current rumor going around the net involves Ceasro leaving the WWE shortly after the Best of 7 series with Sheamus is done. Rumor revolves around Vince still not seeing Ceasro as a possible star and Cesaro not agreeing to a contract extension recently.

Supposedly his current contract ends during next month according to 411Mania.

Link to the main source of the rumor: http://www.inquisitr.com/3487735/wwe-rumors-ceasro-possibly-leaving-wwe/

[VSG]

Nooooo :'(

[Lock Jaw]

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[Wishbone]

Current rumor going around the net involves Ceasro leaving the WWE shortly after the Best of 7 series with Sheamus is done. Rumor revolves around Vince still not seeing Ceasro as a possible star and Cesaro not agreeing to a contract extension recently.

Supposedly his current contract ends during next month according to 411Mania.

Link to the main source of the rumor: http://www.inquisitr.com/3487735/wwe-rumors-ceasro-possibly-leaving-wwe/

Fuck that sucks if true... I mean I don't blame the guy, but I hate to see such talent go. Vince really needs to fuck off already. I'm thoroughly convinced that half the issues with the current product stem from him.

[Droford]

Just realized how shitty the cruisers going to RAW will be when theyve had Bryan and Mauro call the matches and they're on SD. I know Graves was involved but i dont think he'll be able to do as good of a job as Mauro

[Volare]

Still loving this woman.

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[Tom Guycott]

Yeah, how dare he try something new.

What a piece of shit he is.

I've got no problem with Punk trying UFC. It was his body and rep he was putting on the line. I can understand MMA fighters being upset that he gets to jump the cue based on his "freak show" status though. It's all about the money though, and it'll be curious to see wha the UFC 203 buyrate is.

First off, I enjoyed Punk losing. But I was aware enough to get that he got paid big bucks because people wanted to see him win or lose.

And these marks don't get it. MMA is just as much a business as it is a sport. If you think Dana would go with another generic frat bro with generic tribal tattoos who you can't tell from the last one instead of a guy with an interesting story who will likely net you a swimming pool full of money, you're a mark and a fool.

I also promise you that these folks said precisely dick about Kimbo Slice's run in UFC. But Jones is on to something. A Justin Bieber fight would be the highest grossing event in MMA history.

It isn't like the guy came in and said he was going to rule the MMA world. He trained. He lost. Have to start somewhere. To even step into the octagon with someone who has been doing this forever is something admirable. Yeah, he's 0-1 in UFC. Guess what *my* record is? 0-0. Because I ain't doing it.

Funniest thing of all this? Exactly none of the naysayers mentioned dick about Mickey, proving how much of a draw Punk was. Gall called his spot, he got some shine, and also got a "high profile" win, and got paid for it... but the conversation is all about "let's laugh/not laugh" at CM Punk.

Meanwhile, Dana backs up that Brinks truck to the new bay door he had installed at his financial institution for just such an occasion.

[Vastardikai]

Also, I would like to point out that Kimbo got put up against Houston Alexander in his first actual MMA fight in UFC. Houston is at best a glass cannon with zero ground game, and at worst a can. But Tom "I only got a UFC title shot because I'm a dick" Lawlor and Tim "I ruled the UFC HW division when all the good Heavyweights were in Japan" Sylvia had nothing to say.

[Big Vic]

Kimbo had 4 MMA fights before joining the UFC

Meanwhile, Dana backs up that Brinks truck to the new bay door he had installed at his financial institution for just such an occasion.I'm not sure about this Punk was paid 500,000 dollars and the PPV did not see much of a bump in viewership

[Heisenberg]

UFC was under the assumption that there was a lot of wrestling fans left. All the Punk fans latched on to someone else. This era is the most fast-paced and if you don't cash in on popularity the next day/week then you're piss out of the shit. I'm sure they still made a crapload of money, but not what they were expecting.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

https://i.imgur.com/q5RqS6x.jpg

I just read some of his AMA. He was trained by Gillberg (of fucking course he was) and this was pretty cool. Think he might have a job:

https://abload.de/img/147390327797471bnt.png

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Vince wasn't at Backlash. That jobber is a liar!

[BigCrippyZ]

Fuck that sucks if true... I mean I don't blame the guy, but I hate to see such talent go. Vince really needs to fuck off already. I'm thoroughly convinced that half the issues with the current product stem from him.

Half? I'd say 90%+ are a result of Vince. Ultimately, if you're the guy in charge, it all comes down to you.

[Innovator]

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[Emperor Smeat]

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[Cool King]

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[Cool King]

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[Evil Vito]

The days of being able to wear a massive portrait of a wrestler on your clothing is long over. $150 for certain humiliation is obscene.

[Poit]

Just realized how shitty the cruisers going to RAW will be when theyve had Bryan and Mauro call the matches and they're on SD. I know Graves was involved but i dont think he'll be able to do as good of a job as Mauro

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I wonder if I can talk <a href="https://twitter.com/mauroranallo">@mauroranallo</a> &amp; <a href="https://twitter.com/WWEDanielBryan">@WWEDanielBryan</a> into calling the cruiserweights on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Raw?src=hash">#Raw</a>. They are GREAT on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CruiserweightClassic?src=hash">#CruiserweightClassic</a>!</p>&mdash; Mick Foley (@RealMickFoley) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealMickFoley/status/776244782142193664">September 15, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Yeah Mick. Do that. It's not like you have someone at the table already who knows what they're talking about. <a href="https://t.co/pENrWnuUZD">https://t.co/pENrWnuUZD</a></p>&mdash; Corey Graves (@WWEGraves) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWEGraves/status/776290594473861120">September 15, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[Bad News Gertner]

Tracy Smothers could be a great agent/trainer for WWE.

Tracy Smothers currently delivers pizzas

[Gerard]

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Seems like they couldn't decide on what music for Bossman to use in his second last match.

[Cool King]

Bossman's last match was in a half-empty arena in Japan, against a man dressed as Freddy Krueger?

[Cool King]

Actually, reading up on this and apparently after Freddy Krueger, he faced Jim Duggan.

[Gerard]

fixed :yes:

[Cool King]

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[Frank Drebin]

Big Bossman!!

*marks out*

[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I wonder if I can talk <a href="https://twitter.com/mauroranallo">@mauroranallo</a> &amp; <a href="https://twitter.com/WWEDanielBryan">@WWEDanielBryan</a> into calling the cruiserweights on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Raw?src=hash">#Raw</a>. They are GREAT on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CruiserweightClassic?src=hash">#CruiserweightClassic</a>!</p>&mdash; Mick Foley (@RealMickFoley) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealMickFoley/status/776244782142193664">September 15, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Yeah Mick. Do that. It's not like you have someone at the table already who knows what they're talking about. <a href="https://t.co/pENrWnuUZD">https://t.co/pENrWnuUZD</a></p>&mdash; Corey Graves (@WWEGraves) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWEGraves/status/776290594473861120">September 15, 2016</a></blockquote>
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:lol: found out this whole thing revolves around which brand gets James Ellsworth. Foley thinks he's RAW exclusive since he wrestled for the brand first.

AN OPEN LETTER TO DANIEL BRYAN

Dear Daniel,

I am a James Ellsworth guy. But James Ellsworth is a #Raw guy - and now YOU have messed with the wrong guy! By raiding Monday Night Raw for Superstars like James Ellsworth, you are setting a dangerous precedent, my friend. More seriously, you risk confusing the #WWEUniverse, especially the little Ellsters out there, who have been waiting for me to sign #EllmoreVsStrohman2 for an upcoming #Raw PPV. Shame on you, Daniel...shame on you!

There is, however a way out of this situation. How about if you and Mauro Ranallo come to Raw on Monday to call our #Cruiserweight matches on Raw? We'll call it even and hope the Little Ellsters out there understand.

Sincerely,

Mick Foley
https://www.facebook.com/RealMickFoley/photos/a.150133228350157.28288.126269440736536/1406167629413371/?type=1&theater

[Tom Guycott]

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:deep voice: ennnn doubleyou ooooh

[Juan]

The days of being able to wear a massive portrait of a wrestler on your clothing is long over. $150 for certain humiliation is obscene.

Certain humiliation from who?

[Mr. Nerfect]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

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[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Tracy Smothers currently delivers pizzas

Makes those "Where's My Pizza?" chants oddly prophetic.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Certain humiliation from who?

I mean, the Austin and Flair ones look cool, not feeling the others so much, and I guess maybe people would be made to feel "humiliated" if someone asked them how much they spent for it and had to respond that it was $150?

[DAMN iNATOR]

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Dean "Porno 'Stache" Ambrose.

[Evil Vito]

Certain humiliation from who?

The person wearing it. I cannot fathom why anybody would want to wear one of those in public with a fuckoff huge portrait of the wrestler on the back.

If the back was just a cool design instead of a picture, I could understand. But plastering the portrait on there just looks dumb IMO.

[Cool King]

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[Emperor Smeat]

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[Innovator]

LOS INGOBERNABLES DE ESTADOS UNIDOS

[Gerard]

http://www.wrestlecrap.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/ahead-of-myself.gif

Hogan giving himself head...the 10 inch penis makes sense now.

[Mr. Nerfect]

James Ellworth could potentially be as over as one-half of the Tag Team Champions, since being a lovable loser is now a credible gimmick. Think about that.

[Black Widow]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

Paige and Del Rio in TNA would be tremendous. Paige could be a great Knockout Champion. I think Maria is the current champ? Yeah, have Paige chew her up and Maria promise that he revenge will ruin Paige's life. A Mike Bennett vs. Alberto El Patron feud and Saraya being called in to challenge for the Knockout Title with Maria as manager.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Ask Del Rio who his favor opponents in Mexico were, have them lined up for him and maybe have a few of them pad out the X-Division. You also have Cody and Brandi Rhodes coming in too. Things could really heat up if they stop with the insane backyard sketches.

[Simple Fan]

Think TNA would be a great place for Alberto. He doesn't want to wrestle but 60 matches a year and TNA had a light schedule as is. Guys like Lashley, Bram, and DJ Zzz have also worked for Elite in Mexico so he'd have that as well.

[Mr. Nerfect]

With Dixie Carter gone, TNA might start being smarter with how it lets talent brand themselves and where they get exposure. I'd honestly like to see TNA start working with ROH more and more.

[Simple Fan]

Read something today that Dixie wants $4 million for the rest of her stake in the company.

[Simple Fan]

Feel like Billy Corgan is moving towards dropping the TNA name. The New Impact Grand Championship doesn't have any TNA branding on it. I think Aerolux owns the TNA name to so if he could get full control he might scrap the TNA name all together.

[Emperor Smeat]

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[RP]

WE'RE MOVING INTO A DOUBLE WIDE!

[Mr. Nerfect]

Feel like Billy Corgan is moving towards dropping the TNA name. The New Impact Grand Championship doesn't have any TNA branding on it. I think Aerolux owns the TNA name to so if he could get full control he might scrap the TNA name all together.

It needs a re-branding, but I feel like Impact itself is tarnished as a brand name at this point. It might be time for a total refurnishing.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'd be fine with him calling it "Resistance Pro Wrestling" and calling up his champions to do unification matches with the TNA champions. Bobby Lashley obviously beats "Da Cobra," whoever that is.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Oh wait, he left it. Nevermind.

[Droford]

TIL that Alicia Fox probably got her name because a group of foxes is called a leash.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Ha. Interesting.

[Mr. Nerfect]

You know what I fucking hate? When wrestlers are presented as being siblings but then they have different names? Alicia Fox/Caylee Turner; Dolph Ziggler/Briley Pierce. What the fuck is with that?

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

They never made it as wrestlers, though. Tough Enough and announcer for NXT is the best they ever got except for one match. THey never made it a big thing that they are related either except for the reality of Tough Enough where she was under her their real name last name Crawford.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah, true, but I hate that they bring them in at all with these false names, even if their story is that they are the brother/sister of someone. Michael McGillicutty annoyed me too.

[Mr. Nerfect]

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/prowrestling/images/7/73/Dan_Matha_-_CdEv9jdUMAAlAji.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160711013137

This guy is in NXT. I'm expecting big things.

[Simple Fan]

What's his name, is that Tino Sabatli guy? Know I didn't spell that right at all. Kind of looks like a ripped Cesaro.

[Lock Jaw]

Yeah, true, but I hate that they bring them in at all with these false names, even if their story is that they are the brother/sister of someone. Michael McGillicutty annoyed me too.

You know what is really weird.......

How Charlotte officially doesn't even have a last name, but is heavily promoted as Ric Flair's daughter, and comes out in robes with "Flair" written on them......

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah, that is weird. "Charlotte Flair" doesn't really sound right either.

[Mr. Nerfect]

What's his name, is that Tino Sabatli guy? Know I didn't spell that right at all. Kind of looks like a ripped Cesaro.

Nah, his name is Dan Matha. This is Tino Sabbatelli:

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[Mr. Nerfect]

Hugo Knox, the former British football player, has got a really good look too. I wonder how they are coming along in the ring? If they can string a few moves together, they've actually got some guys who look like stars coming up.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I really want Shinsuke Nakamura vs. Sami Zayn for the Intercontinental Title at WrestleMania. I have no idea how you get past Zayn being on RAW, but I'm sure you can work something where Zayn puts everything on the line against Owens at the Royal Rumble, or something. Title vs. Roster Spot. Zayn loses, enters the Royal Rumble, has a really good showing, but gets tossed out by a heel Ziggler or something.

Zayn vs. Ziggler after Bryan and Shane hire Zayn and Ziggler protests because he's a loser, Zayn goes over, Nakamura debuts and beats Miz for the belt at some point, Zayn vs. Nakamura for the IC Title at Mania.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Or you could simple trade Zayn for Kalisto, since they seem like they are in opposite spots.

[DAMN iNATOR]

I'd be fine with him calling it "Resistance Pro Wrestling" and calling up his champions to do unification matches with the TNA champions. Bobby Lashley obviously beats "Da Cobra," whoever that is.

Santino? :shifty:

[Wishbone]

Not really sure what's gotten into Noid as of late with this shift toward looks and whatnot, but I gotta say it's kinda dumb. Wrestling is a niche product, and it's gonna continue to be so. No amount of handsome dudes and hot chicks is gonna change that. The "magic" that was the Attitude Era was just a flash in the pan that I honestly don't think will ever be achieved again, and the time when wrestling could be a phenomenon like it was in the 80s went the way of the dodo a looong time ago. WWE needs to just focus on being the best wrestling show out there and stop this nonsense of thinking it can overcome the stigma that's attached to it. Embrace the stigma, make it their own. Until they do that they're gonna just continue to spiral like they have been.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It's about looking believable and making people suspend disbelief. If people aren't even willing to ironically engage with someone as a main event star, then why are they going to waste their time on the product? You are seeing that play out.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Running from the stigma of pro-wrestling is what they are doing with "normal guys" headlining. They're not even more or less talented than anyone else on the roster. Everyone gets a participation medal and it's hard for anyone to emerge as a star if everyone is a star. The whole product is gentrified and samey.

[Mr. Nerfect]

If everyone looked like a million bucks? That would suck too. You get some "body guys" that are the raging shits. Wrestling has always fueled itself on larger than life personalities and honest-to-God charisma. Who on the roster is actually genuinely charismatic? There are a few guys that seem to be hitting all cylinders in NXT (Joe, Roode, Nakamura) but we've seen that the ability to lead the Full Sail audience doesn't always translate to the main roster.

But you also need some pieces of shit to make the great guys look good. You need your lugs that haven't put it all together yet. You need your guys that are all promo, or all ring work. You need that variety so a hierarchy emerges, and whoever is booking/writing/producing can look at a few guys and say "Right, this guy here; this guy there; that girl here." Sometimes if an act is hot, you need to send it away so that it doesn't fizzle before it plays out and then you can never go back.

Give me guys like John Cena and Bobby Roode, but also give me Samoa Joe and Shinsuke Nakamura. And give me these guys from NXT who look like a million bucks and send them on a winning streak -- one on RAW and one on SmackDown. Hire some ugly girls to fight the pretty ones. If someone is getting booed by the crowd, TURN THEM HEEL!

[Wishbone]

Running from the stigma of pro-wrestling is what they are doing with "normal guys" headlining. They're not even more or less talented than anyone else on the roster. Everyone gets a participation medal and it's hard for anyone to emerge as a star if everyone is a star. The whole product is gentrified and samey.

How does any of what you just said relate to the looks of the guys in question? I agree with you on the statement that no one can be a star if everyone gets a turn, but that's not at all determined by the look of their stars, it's in the booking. A guy like Bray Wyatt for example could be a huge star right now, but he's not because they keep having him lose literally every fight he picks. His physique has nothing to do with that.

Also I don't know what kind of "normal guys" you see on a daily basis, but I'd hardly call guys like Seth Rollins, AJ Styles, Fin Balor, etc "normal." Dudes have abs on their abs for Christ's sake. Unless you're spending half your time in the gym daily I seriously doubt you see guys like that very often. This really just sounds like a height thing.

Oh, and "samey?" How? :wtf: You've got one of the most physically diverse rosters we've ever seen in wrestling history right now. Pretty much every body-type imaginable is on display.

[Mr. Nerfect]

You're the one projecting the looks thing onto me. I don't only care about a person's looks. I feel that aesthetic is important in any form of performance art, absolutely, but you're the one who wants to the limit the scope to looks, I guess.

Bray Wyatt absolutely could be a star if he were booked correctly, I agree with you there. It's a shame that the booking is fucking shit.

Everyone works the same fucking match these days. Everyone kicks out of everyone's finishers. That's how I mean samey.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Guys are the same for so many years at a time now too. Bray Wyatt has been Bray Wyatt with very little development for three years now. It's coming on the same period of time for Luke Harper (who is awesome, by the way). It seems that everybody gets something sorta down, then they stay the same for ten years and play either a fiery babyface version or cowardly heel version of the same gimmick.

It's stale versus fresh. No one is really heading anywhere with what they're doing. Just look at the rosters for the video games. 2K have to keep putting legends in because otherwise there's very little reason to actually purchase the games.

PREEMPTIVE NOTE: I am not saying change for the sake of change is good. And I know that I'm talking about people's livelihoods and I do want everybody who can make a living in wrestling to do so. But looking at things from a creative/business perspective? Wrestling needs to be fresher than the same old shit every week.

[Wishbone]

If you didn't intend to say anything about physiques then I apologize. It really did come off that way though based on some of your previous posts around here, and the way you said "samey."

I agree completely with you about pretty much everything you've clarified here, but again you seem to be putting the blame on the roster when it is 100% the booking end of things. We don't need new guys because those new guys will just get treated like shit too when they come in. What we need is better writing, less control over the talent, and overall just better booking. You can see it when the talent is allowed to "do their own thing" that they have big new ideas, and they have talent. The issue is they're not allowed to show it.

As for the matches all being the same, well, that's a side effect of the previously mentioned problem. If you're not allowed to have control over anything but your matches you're gonna end up wanting to do everything possible in them. Guys want to have 5 star matches and kick out of finishers and shit because that's the only way they can get noticed anymore. WWE's taken away pretty much every other outlet they have.

[Wishbone]

I do stand by my previous statement though. Fixing all of these issues would help the product a lot, but it wouldn't suddenly make wrestling "cool" again. That ship has sailed. WWE needs to focus on being the best damn wrestling show they can be, and they need to find that happy balance between making a good product and pandering to their dedicated fanbase. I think they've done a decent job of that on the talent end of things with signing guys like Owens, Rollins, Styles, etc, but now they need to put the pieces together and tell good stories with those guys. They also need to learn that sometimes it's okay to listen to your fans. Pushing a guy like Bryan, turning Roman heel, these things shouldn't be so difficult for this company.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I can agree with that. A big problem is that you have a whole bunch of guys writing, and often they are writing for Vince, because they know what will get approved and what won't. They are also writing with their own long-term vision in place, and that is going to clash against another person's vision, which is going to be knocked back down by Vince and then no one is over.

On a recent Jim Cornette Experience, Dutch Mantel talks about booking in TNA, and how he'd have an idea for a person, then someone else will say "Hey! You can then do this!" and then it goes around the table, everybody throws something in there, and then it comes back around and the idea is completely different and for a completely different guy.

I think wrestling needs to return to having a genuine booker -- or at least a team picked by a single booker. I'd love to see a Paul Heyman vs. Dutch Mantel war. Whoever has the least growth in product steps down after six months and goes back into cycle, and someone else steps up and heads their own team. Maybe Arn Anderson? You keep the flavor of the shows rolling along, guys get to regenerate when they have burnt out all their good ideas, and you'll ultimately get lots of different flavor and different guys being emphasized.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I do stand by my previous statement though. Fixing all of these issues would help the product a lot, but it wouldn't suddenly make wrestling "cool" again. That ship has sailed. WWE needs to focus on being the best damn wrestling show they can be, and they need to find that happy balance between making a good product and pandering to their dedicated fanbase. I think they've done a decent job of that on the talent end of things with signing guys like Owens, Rollins, Styles, etc, but now they need to put the pieces together and tell good stories with those guys. They also need to learn that sometimes it's okay to listen to your fans. Pushing a guy like Bryan, turning Roman heel, these things shouldn't be so difficult for this company.

Not pushing Bryan and not turning Reigns have been really stupid things. Hell, Cena should have turned if we're being serious. Heel Cena would cause a ratings spike, I am sure of it. He should screw Becky Lynch out of the Women's Title and help Nikki win it.

I don't know if wrestling can be cool again, but I think you can grow the product, and I think "good wrestling" is subjective. I've found a lot of the matches recently boring because they don't have anything real at stake. Everybody is going to have a job in 2 years wearing similar gear and using the same theme music.

[Wishbone]

That's a pretty good idea honestly. What's that old saying, too many cooks spoils the broth? Too bad WWE is too stubborn to do something like this.

[Mr. Nerfect]

That might be one change that comes if Triple H takes over, and it might be the most important one. Triple H at least seems to understand how wrestling works at a fundamental level. I'm sure Vince gets that too, but as you said, he's too stubborn and believes he is constructing something for Hollywood -- but I think he forgets that most screenplays don't have that many writers either.

[Mr. Nerfect]

As weird as this sounds, watching Backlash it felt as if it were a show that Dutch Mantel would have booked if he was on the team. I mean, I'm just gathering that from the way he talks. I wonder if he's got a line through to someone on the SmackDown team and took a call from them sometime during the week heading up to it?

Court Bauer (a one time SmackDown writer) used to call Gary Hart and get ideas for SmackDown around '06.

[Wishbone]

Not pushing Bryan and not turning Reigns have been really stupid things. Hell, Cena should have turned if we're being serious. Heel Cena would cause a ratings spike, I am sure of it. He should screw Becky Lynch out of the Women's Title and help Nikki win it.

I don't know if wrestling can be cool again, but I think you can grow the product, and I think "good wrestling" is subjective. I've found a lot of the matches recently boring because they don't have anything real at stake. Everybody is going to have a job in 2 years wearing similar gear and using the same theme music.

Cena turning heel would definitely be an amazing thing for the company. Too bad it'll never happen.

Oh, I'm not saying you couldn't get more ratings out of the show, but you'll never reach Attitude Era levels of viewership. Fixing all the problems we've gone over would probably bring back a HUGE portion of the ex-fans who've dropped off over the years. People who haven't watched wrestling since they were kids might tune in again. However, I don't think anything will ever bring in people who just have no interest in wrestling. You're not gonna catch someone who's never had any sort of exposure or interest in the product and change their mind no matter how great your product is. With comic book movies you could do this because despite comics being an extremely niche product putting them in a movie format and changing them the way they have makes it possible for mainstream audiences to see it as "worthy." I think the same can be said of a movie like The Wrestler which I remember tons of people in my life who've never watched wrestling talking about. However, actual wrestling will always be the comic book in this situation. I think you can grow it like you said, but there's always gonna be a pretty hard cap on how far that growth goes, and I think WWE needs to come to terms with that and just focus on shooting for that cap.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Talking about booking, ROH could really use a break from Delirious for a while. Not because he's shit or banging the talent or anything like that -- but just to give him a break and give the product a new feel for a little while. Maybe he could return to the ring or focus on training guys for a year or so. No pay cut.

Kevin Sullivan has an open channel with ROH at the moment. I have a feeling he had something to do with the recent Jay Lethal/Adam Cole angle. Maybe he could take over for a few months with his own team and see what he can do? He could mentor someone like Nigel McGuinness or even Kevin Kelly, then hand it over to them or get them to take over after Delirious returns as booker.

It'd be interesting if a woman were brought in and given a shot at booking too. A female mind and what they view as star potential, and who they see worthy as pushing could be an eye-opener too. Lisa Moretti (Ivory) immediately comes to mind.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Cena turning heel would definitely be an amazing thing for the company. Too bad it'll never happen.

Oh, I'm not saying you couldn't get more ratings out of the show, but you'll never reach Attitude Era levels of viewership. Fixing all the problems we've gone over would probably bring back a HUGE portion of the ex-fans who've dropped off over the years. People who haven't watched wrestling since they were kids might tune in again. However, I don't think anything will ever bring in people who just have no interest in wrestling. You're not gonna catch someone who's never had any sort of exposure or interest in the product and change their mind no matter how great your product is. With comic book movies you could do this because despite comics being an extremely niche product putting them in a movie format and changing them the way they have makes it possible for mainstream audiences to see it as "worthy." I think the same can be said of a movie like The Wrestler which I remember tons of people in my life who've never watched wrestling talking about. However, actual wrestling will always be the comic book in this situation. I think you can grow it like you said, but there's always gonna be a pretty hard cap on how far that growth goes, and I think WWE needs to come to terms with that and just focus on shooting for that cap.

I completely agree with this, and have often thought of comic books being quite similar to wrestling. Except I'd argue that comics have enjoyed a heightened success due to the success of Marvel/DC movies (although I haven't actually seen numbers to back this up).

I actually think the ratings share for wrestling should be much higher than it's ever been -- given that, as people point out, television itself seems to be a dying medium in the form of network television and cable. What else are people watching on a Monday night if not new live content? I don't think it's just that wrestling is niche, but it seems to be something that people are actively avoiding.

[Wishbone]

Bringing in a woman could be a very interesting turn of events. I'm a huge animation enthusiast, and in recent years we've seen a huge spike in women directing and writing for animated TV shows. Funny thing is since this happened a lot of people are calling it an animation renaissance right now. From what I can tell the newer women writers and directors seem to put more emphasis on creating scenarios for characters to interact in which in turn makes people care more about these characters. Something like this in wrestling could be the shot it needs since a huge issue right now is the lack of reason behind everything. A 5-star match means nothing if it doesn't have emotion behind it. Make me care about the two guys involved. Make me understand who they are and why they're fighting.

[Wishbone]

I completely agree with this, and have often thought of comic books being quite similar to wrestling. Except I'd argue that comics have enjoyed a heightened success due to the success of Marvel/DC movies (although I haven't actually seen numbers to back this up).

I actually think the ratings share for wrestling should be much higher than it's ever been -- given that, as people point out, television itself seems to be a dying medium in the form of network television and cable. What else are people watching on a Monday night if not new live content? I don't think it's just that wrestling is niche, but it seems to be something that people are actively avoiding.

Eh, comics right now are doing pretty good, but they're not growing as much as you'd think they would with the success of the movies. They're making more money than they've ever made, but that still means they're making waaaay less than pretty much any other medium out there right now. I don't know the exact numbers, but I do know from talking with guys in the industry at conventions and whatnot that working on comics barely pays the bills. A lot of them have to take commissions on a regular basis or find work outside the industry too to make ends meet. Still, you're right that there is growth there, mostly in the form of kids and millennials who are flocking to all the new characters popping up like Ms. Marvel and the focus on more comedy related content. Books like Deadpool and Harley Quinn seem to be a big indicator of the future of the industry. At least that's what I've noticed.

[mike adamle]

Talking about booking, ROH could really use a break from Delirious for a while. Not because he's shit or banging the talent or anything like that -- but just to give him a break and give the product a new feel for a little while. Maybe he could return to the ring or focus on training guys for a year or so. No pay cut.

Kevin Sullivan has an open channel with ROH at the moment. I have a feeling he had something to do with the recent Jay Lethal/Adam Cole angle. Maybe he could take over for a few months with his own team and see what he can do? He could mentor someone like Nigel McGuinness or even Kevin Kelly, then hand it over to them or get them to take over after Delirious returns as booker.

It'd be interesting if a woman were brought in and given a shot at booking too. A female mind and what they view as star potential, and who they see worthy as pushing could be an eye-opener too. Lisa Moretti (Ivory) immediately comes to mind.

Kevin Sullivan had nothing to do with Lethal/Cole, he's only been involved with the Corino/Whitmer/Punisher Martinez angle.

Kevin Kelly is already part of the creative team, and is basically starting to take over for Delirious as he gains more responsibility.

And Ivory in late 2016 is not an eye opener. She was never good to begin with and hasn't wrestled in ten years. How would she be worthy of pushing? Everyone talks about how signing WWE rejects doesn't help... you want to bring in Ivory to help ROH???? :wtf::wtf::wtf:

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Yeah, that is weird. "Charlotte Flair" doesn't really sound right either.

No, because Charlotte isn't her real name.

[Emperor Smeat]

http://i.imgur.com/6vfg5oT.gif

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Does anybody else get invitations to do/join WWE Fan Council surveys?

[Emperor Smeat]

Not pushing Bryan and not turning Reigns have been really stupid things. Hell, Cena should have turned if we're being serious. Heel Cena would cause a ratings spike, I am sure of it. He should screw Becky Lynch out of the Women's Title and help Nikki win it.

Biggest problem is Vince is too paranoid over lost merch sales if they ever turned Cena heel. Same for whenever they try to make him look weak.

Think the sheets have teased over the years Vince wants to wait for whenever Cena's successor is completely ready to turn Cena and have the "passing of the torch" happen at Mania. Reigns struggling as that successor means its going to be a while before it happens or even longer if the WWE/Vince decides on picking someone else instead.

Then again if Vince had listened to Cena, he would have turned heel around the time of the Rock feud.

[Wishbone]

Kevin Sullivan had nothing to do with Lethal/Cole, he's only been involved with the Corino/Whitmer/Punisher Martinez angle.

Kevin Kelly is already part of the creative team, and is basically starting to take over for Delirious as he gains more responsibility.

And Ivory in late 2016 is not an eye opener. She was never good to begin with and hasn't wrestled in ten years. How would she be worthy of pushing? Everyone talks about how signing WWE rejects doesn't help... you want to bring in Ivory to help ROH???? :wtf::wtf::wtf:

He meant bring in Ivory as a booker, not as a wrestler...

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

A moot point in 2016 but Ivory was a tremendous worker.

[mike adamle]

He meant bring in Ivory as a booker, not as a wrestler...

...What does Ivory know about booking...:wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf:

[Black Widow]

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/prowrestling/images/7/73/Dan_Matha_-_CdEv9jdUMAAlAji.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160711013137

This guy is in NXT. I'm expecting big things.Looks like another Meathead that couldn't spell Meathead.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/prowrestling/images/7/73/Dan_Matha_-_CdEv9jdUMAAlAji.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160711013137

This guy is in NXT. I'm expecting big things.

If that Fabian Aichner? He looked like the next Randy Orton in the CWC.

[Wishbone]

...What does Ivory know about booking...:wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf:

Probably just as much as any of the other countless former wrestlers who turned booker. You seem to be under the impression that bringing in someone who's wrestled but never booked is new to the business. Also for all I know she might have some history at it. I'm too lazy to use the google machine right now though.

[Wishbone]

A moot point in 2016 but Ivory was a tremendous worker.

Also true.

[mike adamle]

Probably just as much as any of the other countless former wrestlers who turned booker. You seem to be under the impression that bringing in someone who's wrestled but never booked is new to the business. Also for all I know she might have some history at it. I'm too lazy to use the google machine right now though.

And all of those people have stayed in contact with the business in some shape or form since retiring as wrestler and transitioning into the agent/creative role. Ivory has not had any contact with wrestling since 2006. And she wasn't good at all. Which Ivory match did you think was so great??

[Emperor Smeat]

WWE rumored to have made a bid to purchase or be the new owner of TNA.

WWE and Sinclair Broadcast Group, owner of the Ring of Honor wrestling organization, are rumored to have made recent bids.

A complicated ownership structure also poses challenges in getting every stakeholder on the same page. In addition to majority owner and Chairwoman Dixie Carter, Corgan, Aroluxe Marketing and Canada’s Fight Network all have equity stakes.

Meanwhile, the Nashville, Tenn.-based company is so financially strapped that investor and working-capital provider Aroluxe has reportedly taken over its “TNA” (Total Nonstop Action) trademark.

Corgan says the relevant parties have agreed on a sale price. Although he can’t reveal the figure, an estimate based on publicly traded WWE’s market value of two times revenue would put it at around $40 million.

According to the Observer, the real value of TNA is more like $4 million and not $40 million. For some reference, WWE bought WCW for a little over $2 million and ECW for around a million.

http://nypost.com/2016/09/16/billy-corgan-in-talks-to-become-majority-owner-of-tna-wrestling/
https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/777008569300324352?s=09

[Black Widow]

I'll give them my weekly pay of $2,100.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Nah then you'd be what you hate the most: a minority owner. :D

[Cool King]

WWE rumored to have made a bid to purchase or be the new owner of TNA.


WWE and Sinclair Broadcast Group, owner of the Ring of Honor wrestling organization, are rumored to have made recent bids.

A complicated ownership structure also poses challenges in getting every stakeholder on the same page. In addition to majority owner and Chairwoman Dixie Carter, Corgan, Aroluxe Marketing and Canada’s Fight Network all have equity stakes.

Meanwhile, the Nashville, Tenn.-based company is so financially strapped that investor and working-capital provider Aroluxe has reportedly taken over its “TNA” (Total Nonstop Action) trademark.

Corgan says the relevant parties have agreed on a sale price. Although he can’t reveal the figure, an estimate based on publicly traded WWE’s market value of two times revenue would put it at around $40 million.

According to the Observer, the real value of TNA is more like $4 million and not $40 million. For some reference, WWE bought WCW for a little over $2 million and ECW for around a million.

http://nypost.com/2016/09/16/billy-corgan-in-talks-to-become-majority-owner-of-tna-wrestling/
https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/777008569300324352?s=09

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[Simple Fan]

$40 Million is kind of a crazy number. I'd say WWE wouldn't spend anymore than $5-8 million for it. It's been reported Dixie wants $4million for her remaining 70%.