"100,001" Replies (Wrestling Forum)

[Emperor Smeat]

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[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Oh shit

[Volare]

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Needs' to be photoshopped with Christain's jar of ass cream.

[Cool King]

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I never thought I would ever see Michael Cole on Blue Peter.

[Cool King]

Or at least on the set of it.

[drave]

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I only see excellent side boob.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

So two kinds of cancer.

[Emperor Smeat]

:( Perry Saturn's life currently in really bad shape.

https://www.facebook.com/perrysaturn/videos/1165305306918391/

[drave]

So two kinds of cancer.


Forgot you are allergic to titties. :n:

[Evil Vito]

Fucking hell that Saturn video is depressing :(

Hope DDP can take him in and get him feeling better somehow.

[Droford]

I doubt DDP can cure his brain disease with Yoga

[Blonde Moment]

:( Perry Saturn's life currently in really bad shape.

https://www.facebook.com/perrysaturn/videos/1165305306918391/

So how much of what is going on is drug related and how much his brain injuries? Doesn't his wife work?

[Emperor Smeat]

More on the medical side for problems although he's been in a messed up state going as far back as 2004. Got rid of a drug addiction only for his medical problems to start piling up for him.

Wasn't till last year he revealed how badly his health problems have become and started to ask for some assistance.

Satullo was involved in an April 2004 altercation with two men when he came to the aid of a woman that they were in the process of raping. He fought the men and was shot with a .25 caliber handgun in the back of the neck and in the right shoulder, to which he originally thought he had received a punch, (as stated in a YouShoot) as a result of the scuffle. After being shot, Satullo became addicted to methamphetamine and was homeless for two and a half years. Satullo disappeared from public view and was not seen for several years, with his family and friends unaware of his whereabouts. Satullo reemerged in 2010, having resolved his addiction.[20]

During an interview with Bill Apter in September 2016, Satullo revealed that he was dealing with a "traumatic brain injury" that limited his abilities. In November 2016, The Boston Globe reported that Satullo had joined a class action lawsuit against WWE, litigated by Konstantine Kyros, who has been involved in a number of other lawsuits against them, alleging that "he is suffering from multiple symptoms of repetitive traumatic brain injuries and is undergoing neurological care.

[Innovator]

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[Disturbed316]

Threw out all my old wrestling VHS today. #LeaveTheMemorexAlone

Did that recently with all the dvds i had. They were no good to me as im living in a different country now. Was rather painful.....

[Volare]

Well looky looky here.....


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[slik]

I have never seen this before!


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[#BROKEN Hasney]

Yeah I don't know, it was pretty obvious even live. He kind of runs away from his pyro.

[slik]

TIL: Undertaker leaves love notes for Michelle McCool and draws her bath nightly. #Gentleman

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[Emperor Smeat]

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[Evil Vito]

jesus, that's horrifying

[Mr. Nerfect]

Brock Strowman looks like someone and I am trying to put my finger on who.

[Mr. Nerfect]

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Hearing Cornette rant on Okada/Omega is like fine scotch. He's right, but then you go to the comments and hear all the butt-hurt fans misquoting him and not getting the point when the video is right fucking up there. :lol:

[Black Widow]

TIL: Undertaker leaves love notes for Michelle McCool and draws her bath nightly. #Gentleman

https://www.instagram.com/p/BPN10jeh067/
She's lucky to get to be Under Taker.

[Evil Vito]

LANAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!

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[Mr. Nerfect]

Holy fucking shit Lana.

[Evil Vito]

Pretty sure I'd let Rusev fuck my asshole Iron Sheik style if the payoff was a night with Lana

[Emperor Smeat]

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[Mr3Maker]

Brock Strowman looks like someone and I am trying to put my finger on who.

The guy from Revenge of the Nerds...

[Rammsteinmad]

Brock Strowman looks like someone and I am trying to put my finger on who.

John Cena looks a bit like CM Punk imo.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

The guy from Revenge of the Nerds...

Whispers: Orge you asshole....

Orge!

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[Simple Fan]

Brock Strowman looks like someone and I am trying to put my finger on who.

A very pissed off roided up Chuck Liddell. Cena Strowman looks like Luke Gallows while Goldburg Stroman looks like Festus.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

It's already been answered it's Donald Gibb. We've called him Orge on here a few times before.

[Simple Fan]

It's already been answered it's Donald Gibb. We've called him Orge on here a few times before.

Are you done with your orgeasim now?

[Vastardikai]

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Hearing Cornette rant on Okada/Omega is like fine scotch. He's right, but then you go to the comments and hear all the butt-hurt fans misquoting him and not getting the point when the video is right fucking up there. :lol:

After having seen the match with my dad, I thought it was a very exciting contest. But the Dragon Superplex, among other moves, SHOULD have finished the match, but didn't.

That having been said, I do like the fact that Omega has dialed back on the dumb shittery. He has, to an extent, moved on from the whole wrestling blow up dolls and 8 year old thing he did earlier in his career. And good on him for it.

Also, my dad and I both thoroughly enjoyed the match.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Holy fucking shit Lana.

She has nudes you know. Love her facial expression though.

[Simple Fan]

She has a face?

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Those look like new boobs. The nudes may now be out of date.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Just a good bra I think.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

That Cornette rant, btw, is a nice example of why people shit on him and think he's out of touch.

The matches he feels are 5 stars are 20 to 30 years old. More of them closer to or older than 30.

He spends a good portion shitting on Omega based on what he saw 10 years ago.

Not to mention, outside of one spot, I don't think he complimented the match at all. I get that it's all subjective, but Jesus even if it's not your cup of tea, how anyone cannot watch Okada v Omega and think that it was a good to excellent main event match is beyond me.

Cornette is still talking like it's the 80s with the idea that you have to present it like a real fight. People know it's a work. Times have changed. It'd be like someone telling the guys in the 80s that they needed to replicate the old timey style of the 50s.

Wrestling evolves and what worked then doesn't work now. I feel like Cornette doesn't really get that, or he doesn't accept it.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

All he said was it wasn't the greatest match of all time which is what 6 stars would imply. He said it was a good 20-minute match that went 40. He also said he had a list of his five-star matches but forgot where he put it. He could have had some stuff from ROH when he was a booking which would be more recent.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

He could've. And I'm sure he may some in there. I just find Cornette hard to take seriously anymore. Not because he isn't a wealth of knowledge, but more because he just seems like he's hanging to a time that's long past.

My citing of him rattling off these 30 year old matches just indicates to me that he feels that a certain era and certain style is "pro rasslin", and I disagree with that


Maybe in that time it would've worked. But itv won't work now. People are in on the rib. They know it's a work. Trying to present it the same way it was 30 years ago isn't gonna work.

He makes valid points. I don't think he's a loon and I respect his opinion. I just think, similar to Jim Ross, he's hung up on a certain era and doesn't move past it.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

I think he somewhere in the podcast called Revival Vs. DIY 2/3 Falls a Five Star match or didn't disagree when his co-host mentioned it.

He just doesn't like Kenny Omega:

1. He lied (sent a fake injury photo to Adam Pearce in 2009 saying he wouldn't make it to Final Battle when he wrestled in Japan the same weekend.

2. Two matches that are hard to argue aren't disqualifying to Kenny Omega being taken seriously as a pro wrestler.

[Simple Fan]

I watched the match with my uncle today and he enjoyed it. Said it was like what wrestling used to be like. He liked the false finishes and the fact that Omega truly didn't have anymore left in the tank. Cornette's hatred for Omega clouds his judgment on this match though. He actually suggested they do count out finish which is dumb for the biggest match of the year. I like Cornette but hardly ever agree with anything he says, he just an amazing listen though.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I get why Cornette hates him. Understood. It doesn't mean he should shit on the guys work when it is deserving of praise. Which is what he's doing. Back handed compliments, talking it down, running down a guy for shit he did 10 plus years ago when he was barely old enough to drink.

It's just, I dunno, childish. I know it's his gimmick and all. Maybe I've just had my fill of good of James E.

[Blonde Moment]

I watched the match with my uncle today and he enjoyed it. Said it was like what wrestling used to be like. He liked the false finishes and the fact that Omega truly didn't have anymore left in the tank. Cornette's hatred for Omega clouds his judgment on this match though. He actually suggested they do count out finish which is dumb for the biggest match of the year. I like Cornette but hardly ever agree with anything he says, he just an amazing listen though.


I think that idea was based on the severity of the spot.
He's not totally off base here. IMo some of the spots took away some of psycology and made it a lesser match. Don't get me wrong I enjoyed the match but sometimes too much is just... too much.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

oh yea. The count out finished. Shook my head at that. I mean, I get the logic. But, the biggest show of the year?

[Blonde Moment]

oh yea. The count out finished. Shook my head at that. I mean, I get the logic. But, the biggest show of the year?

I don't think, hope, he would ever book it like that but I understand what he meant by it being something that should be near the end of a match or the end itself, as in the count out or to drag him back into the ring and pin him.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I get that. But we've seen just as brutal spots not end a match. Mankind in hell in the cell. HBK in hell in the cell. Etc.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Time to go into Cornette defense mode. This is going to be fun.

[Mr. Nerfect]

That Cornette rant, btw, is a nice example of why people shit on him and think he's out of touch.

This will be interesting.

The matches he feels are 5 stars are 20 to 30 years old. More of them closer to or older than 30.

Are you alleging that something needs to be modern to be good? You surely wouldn't make the case that Funk/Lawler or Bret/Austin weren't great matches would you? I don't want to put words into your mouth though, so please explain this point about age. Is it just that there isn't anything modern on it? I've heard Cornette praise quite a bit of modern stuff -- Tyler Black vs. Davey Richards, the work of Adam Cole, Jay Lethal, The Briscoes, Cesaro, American Alpha, DIY, The Revival, etc.

He spends a good portion shitting on Omega based on what he saw 10 years ago.

He shits on him because of his personal interactions with him and the fact that he was a shitty, shitty wrestler.

Not to mention, outside of one spot, I don't think he complimented the match at all. I get that it's all subjective, but Jesus even if it's not your cup of tea, how anyone cannot watch Okada v Omega and think that it was a good to excellent main event match is beyond me.

Cornette praised the athleticism. He praised Okada's dropkick and said that the spots were crisp. He praised the accuracy of the bump through the table. Sorry, but this is just incorrect.

Cornette is still talking like it's the 80s with the idea that you have to present it like a real fight. People know it's a work. Times have changed. It'd be like someone telling the guys in the 80s that they needed to replicate the old timey style of the 50s.

This is probably a large part of what holds wrestling back today, to be honest. People know it is a work, but they don't believe in anything or anyone. People knew that wrestling was fake when Stone Cold was around, but they still believed in him. Expectations have been lowered A LOT.

Wrestling evolves and what worked then doesn't work now. I feel like Cornette doesn't really get that, or he doesn't accept it.

This would be a fair point, except to say that I don't think it wouldn't work now. I think it would. I don't think what "works" now actually works as well as people think it does (hence why wrestling is in a hole) and that it certainly wouldn't have worked back then. People use the word "evolves" but I think it's a trend in the opposite direction. You have so many guys getting hurt and breaking their necks for nobody. It's gotten a lot stupider, even if it acts like it's less carny and more sophisticated. It's less art and more white noise bullshit.

I think you're right that Cornette doesn't like that wrestling has changed. I don't think you're right that he hasn't accepted it. He even says in that video something like "I guess that's what people want to see these days" or something like that. But his current hobby is tearing the holes in it open. I think he's accepted it just fine -- he just doesn't want it to be the case.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Cornette DID NOT suggest that the biggest show of the year end in a countout. He said that the spot should have been sold to end in a countout. If you don't want to end the biggest show of the year in a countout, don't fucking kill yourself with that spot is Cornette's point. He is not saying that you should have ended the show with a countout. I repeat, he did not say that.

This is that shit where he said exactly what Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn needed to do to make it on the main roster in WWE, and they did basically everything he said and are successful and people are like "Suck it, Cornette." It literally proves him right. In fact, the only way you can actually say he was wrong is that it looks like Owens and Zayn will do the things Cornette said and will just be guys. He may have overestimated their ability.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think that idea was based on the severity of the spot.
He's not totally off base here. IMo some of the spots took away some of psycology and made it a lesser match. Don't get me wrong I enjoyed the match but sometimes too much is just... too much.

A-fucking-men. And I did like the match. I wouldn't call it five stars though. Maybe 3 1/2 to 4. I guarantee you there will be better matches this year. Hell, I think Omega and Okada could each have better matches.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I get that. But we've seen just as brutal spots not end a match. Mankind in hell in the cell. HBK in hell in the cell. Etc.

This is setting up a straw man. Did Cornette defend the spots in the Mankind/Taker HIAC? In fact, if you ask him, I think he'd say that those were unnecessary. Cornette is a Mick Foley fan and an Undertaker mark, but to immediately assign the position of him as a spot apologist in the context of those matches is to misrepresent him.

Taker/HBK is another match, for the record, that got five stars, and I think it's a better match than Taker/Mankind despite the stunts. Maybe you could argue that the stunts in Taker/HBK were ridiculous themselves, but there is certainly more of an applied and effective context there.

Point being: HBK/Taker, despite the stunts, was not made by the stunts, therefore stunts do not a good match make. Now, was Okada/Omega just stunts? I don't believe so, but it certainly had a few and I'd say they took drama out of the match instead of adding it. That is subjective, but it is not an unfounded opinion to have.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It's a shame that so many people shut themselves off to Cornette's wisdom on wrestling. I've become a mark for him, but I can still find things I don't completely agree with. Apparently James Dudley was more than just Vince's limo driver (Gerty taught me that). That being said, people dismiss Corny like he's not largely responsible for planting the seeds that have made so many things great.

It might be easier for some people to listen to Cornette credit something they love. Listen to his sage advice on the American Alpha/Revival match. The dude goes into some sort of savant mode where he picks up on little things that most people wouldn't have even got. Listen to him talk about Dolph Ziggler. The dude has got so much to offer if you switch off your sensitive feelings about modern spot-based wrestling.

[Juan]

CORNETTE SHEEP,,,,,,,,,,,,

[Damian Rey 2.0]

This will be interesting.



Are you alleging that something needs to be modern to be good? You surely wouldn't make the case that Funk/Lawler or Bret/Austin weren't great matches would you? I don't want to put words into your mouth though, so please explain this point about age. Is it just that there isn't anything modern on it? I've heard Cornette praise quite a bit of modern stuff -- Tyler Black vs. Davey Richards, the work of Adam Cole, Jay Lethal, The Briscoes, Cesaro, American Alpha, DIY, The Revival, etc.

No, I'm not. In saying that when Cornette talks he does so in a way that favors 80s rasslin as if it was the right way to do things. I'm sure he likes modern stuff. I'm not saying he doesn't. What I'm saying is he has a clear bias when all but one of the matches he considers 5 stars were in the 80s. It's obvious he favors the era and that his wrestling.


He shits on him because of his personal interactions with him and the fact that he was a shitty, shitty wrestler.

The Interaction is fine. The shitting on him as a wrestler based on seeing him 10 years ago when he was apparently green as fuck and watching two comedy bits is ridiculous. Think about that. Cornette is holding onto an opinion that's a decade old with zero idea, seemingly, of how good an in ring performer the guy is.



Cornette praised the athleticism. He praised Okada's dropkick and said that the spots were crisp. He praised the accuracy of the bump through the table. Sorry, but this is just incorrect.

He made 3 nice comments on a match even the guy he's doing the show with loved and admitted to getting into. Just because he tosses in a few compliments doesn't negate the other nonsense he's going on about, like the ultimate warrior comparison. He literally nit picked the whole thing. They over sold, they laid around a lot, it was just a match with moves, etc. Granted I'm sure he hasv zero idea of what's going on in the promotion. But that makes him look sillier as he's trying to critique something He has no idea of outside of it being a match.



This is probably a large part of what holds wrestling back today, to be honest. People know it is a work, but they don't believe in anything or anyone. People knew that wrestling was fake when Stone Cold was around, but they still believed in him. Expectations have been lowered A LOT.

I think expectations are higher. It takes more nowadays to suck people in. If expectations were low, you and I would be on the WWE bandwagon praising everything they do, much like CyNick. We don't. Because we expect better and when we don't get it we walk away.

This match had two year long stories meeting in a culmination of character growth and development. The fans were into it. You could tell with how they responded to the final 4 matches that the in ring performances enhanced stories that had been building up over time. It's part of what made them great for those who have followed NJPW enough to know what was going on.



This would be a fair point, except to say that I don't think it wouldn't work now. I think it would. I don't think what "works" now actually works as well as people think it does (hence why wrestling is in a hole) and that it certainly wouldn't have worked back then. People use the word "evolves" but I think it's a trend in the opposite direction. You have so many guys getting hurt and breaking their necks for nobody. It's gotten a lot stupider, even if it acts like it's less carny and more sophisticated. It's less art and more white noise bullshit.

I think the basics of wrestling storytelling still works. How it is presented is way changes. What worked for Vince in the 80s didn't work in the 90s, and so on and so forth. I agree with the guys breaking their bodies for nobody, but that has more to do with the stories behind the matches, or lack thereof. I urge you to follow NJPW, Noid. I think we have similar tastes in wrestling. I love what they're producing. It has direction, long term booking, character development and great in ring matches. I think you'd love it.

I think you're right that Cornette doesn't like that wrestling has changed. I don't think you're right that he hasn't accepted it. He even says in that video something like "I guess that's what people want to see these days" or something like that. But his current hobby is tearing the holes in it open. I think he's accepted it just fine -- he just doesn't want it to be the case.

Him saying that's what people want to see is not accepting it. It's just acknowledging an obvious fact. Maybe he hasv accepted it but I'm not buying it based on how he presents his views on things.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

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Hearing Cornette rant on Okada/Omega is like fine scotch. He's right, but then you go to the comments and hear all the butt-hurt fans misquoting him and not getting the point when the video is right fucking up there. :lol:

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He's exposing the soap opera! What a mark Jim Cornette is.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Cornette DID NOT suggest that the biggest show of the year end in a countout. He said that the spot should have been sold to end in a countout. If you don't want to end the biggest show of the year in a countout, don't fucking kill yourself with that spot is Cornette's point. He is not saying that you should have ended the show with a countout. I repeat, he did not say that.

Yes he did. He said that could've been a great finish, a count out finish, or a hospitalization angle or the finish, but then they went 20 more minutes. He was clearly suggesting that be the finish. It's pretty obvious.

Cornette, like anyone who's been in the business as long and has had the level of successes he's had, is wise and does have an endless amount of knowledge to listen to. It doesn't mean everything he says is going to resonate. Like obviously suggesting a table spot followed by count out or hospital angle to finish your main event match in the biggest show of the year.

On a different show? Absolutely. He's right. But this is more of the commenting on something he isn't actively aware of with context and story.

[Droford]

I'm trying to figure out why people care what Cornette thinks about wrestling in the year 2017. Stuff from 25+ years ago..sure..He's naturally gonna hate 99% of the current product for 1 reason or another.

[Blonde Moment]

I'm trying to figure out why people care what Cornette thinks about wrestling in the year 2017. Stuff from 25+ years ago..sure..He's naturally gonna hate 99% of the current product for 1 reason or another.

Judging by the TV ratings of the current era he is not the only one out there with a dislike for the current product, That aside, he is a hoot to listen to and some of his observations are not that far of base. There's something missing from the current product and I think that with the gradual addition of jobbers there has to be some belief in the company that something old is needed as well.

Aas for Okada/Omega ..... Yes there was a story going into the match, but now that i think about it I feel that the story would have been better served being told by wrestling and not by "spots". It's like the difference between making love and just fucking. What we saw was alot of fucking.

[Simple Fan]

Those outside spots helped with the story the match was telling. Omega could have won the title with a count out earlier in the match but he wanted to pin Okada for the win. The table spot could have easily been a count out finish is exactly what they wanted you to think but the pride that both men had made them want to pin the other guy for the win. To end the match on the count out or not do the spots at all would not have told that story.

[Jordan]

I could give a shit about Cornette, SMW was alright but mostly just rednecks rasslin in armory's. And I'm from his territory so I know.

[Simple Fan]

Another thing with Cornette's criticism is he contradicts himself. He complained about them doing moves no one could get up from and then also complains about selling to much. He also said a perfect match was exciting, drew money, got both guys over and showed no obvious cooperation. Now they hit the first three out of the park, crowd was hot for the match, New Japan World had a big and increase in subscriptions as well as a good live crowd, and both are more over now than be for the match. Cornette himself said they were crisp with their execution of the moves. In his words it was damn near a perfect match. Something else funny he said was the NJPW should fire them both for going into the announce and technical area. Like I said his hatred of Omega clouds his judgement of this match. He didn't watch it for what it was and wasn't interested in seeing the story they told in the ring so everything seemed like a spot to him.

[Cool King]

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[#BROKEN Hasney]

Kings Court is back on Smackdown this week. Hate how the quality of the show drops as we get to cross-brand PPVs.

[Simple Fan]

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Kind of odd Srrowman isn't on the original poster but R-Truth made it on and hasn't even announced himself as being in the Rumble.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

You can't have a rumble without R-Truth. It's known.

[Evil Vito]

I could actually see Golden Truth not being in the Rumble. They've already announced 13 entrants, I assume they'll have between 3-5 mystery entrants, and there are loads of other people I think will be in ahead of Golden Truth on the totem pole (Rusev, Big Cass, all 3 Wyatts, etc.)

Big Show, Kane, and Mark Henry feel more like "can't have a Rumble without these guys" picks. Because giants always are the favorites in Royal Rumbles of course.

[Mr. Nerfect]

No, I'm not. In saying that when Cornette talks he does so in a way that favors 80s rasslin as if it was the right way to do things. I'm sure he likes modern stuff. I'm not saying he doesn't. What I'm saying is he has a clear bias when all but one of the matches he considers 5 stars were in the 80s. It's obvious he favors the era and that his wrestling.

Fair enough. I just wanted to get your point clear. To be fair, the matches that he lists as five stars happened in the 80's because that's when they happened. I mean, can you think of too many North American matches that were five stars that are not those glaring examples (HBK/Taker and Bret/Austin) in the 90's? It wasn't the era for that sort of stuff. It was a hot product and compelling in different ways, but I don't think Cornette is overlooking anything glaringly obvious.

I think you're right in that he thinks the pre-sports entertainment branding is an era that Cornette is nostalgic for. He'd admit as much himself. He frequently talks about how the business, in general, was a lot healthier back then before the hot-shotting of the Attitude era. He's kind of been proven right on that.

The Interaction is fine. The shitting on him as a wrestler based on seeing him 10 years ago when he was apparently green as fuck and watching two comedy bits is ridiculous. Think about that. Cornette is holding onto an opinion that's a decade old with zero idea, seemingly, of how good an in ring performer the guy is.

I can get that people want to give Omega more chances because he was young and dumb and whatever. To keep it on Cornette, he does a wonderful little piece on whether or not it's actually the fault of the young guys today for thinking that the goofy shit is how to get themselves over. That being said, Cornette himself got into the business young and holds people who get into wrestling for a paycheck or to fuck around in general contempt. You can look down on how seriously he takes it, but in Corny's eyes, Omega committed a cardinal sin after dogging Delirious in ROH. Was he young and dumb? Sure. But the generational issues that a lot of the younger guys on the indy scene have where they think their way of handling stuff is automatically better seems to stick with them too. Has Omega ever said that was the wrong way to go about things? Has he given Corny a reason to update his opinion on him?

Hearing Omega's side of the stuff he did in Japan, it sounds like a lot of it went around him and he didn't plan for it to go viral and actually be filmed. I doubt some of that. A lot of it, actually. Given the legitimate risks of wrestling, working with a 9 year old girl shows a lot of the dude's arrogance and disregard for anyone but himself to be honest. He really sounds like a piece of shit. That's not to say the dude isn't a great wrestler now or grown as a person, but it's hard to sweep that stuff under a rug for some people, and I think that is fair enough.

It doesn't matter to Corny how good Omega is now. That's the bit people don't really seem to get. Weirdly enough, I think it is the bit that has the most credence. Times do change people and Omega probably is a lot better now and is a more decent human being. The Miz is also a better wrestler than he was when he started. But Corny isn't really as interested in that as he is Omega's personal decisions. Should he be more forgiving? Yeah, I could probably concede that, but I can't say he's wrong if he wants to take wrestling seriously.

He made 3 nice comments on a match even the guy he's doing the show with loved and admitted to getting into. Just because he tosses in a few compliments doesn't negate the other nonsense he's going on about, like the ultimate warrior comparison. He literally nit picked the whole thing. They over sold, they laid around a lot, it was just a match with moves, etc. Granted I'm sure he hasv zero idea of what's going on in the promotion. But that makes him look sillier as he's trying to critique something He has no idea of outside of it being a match.

I legitimately don't really get your point here, man. Did he compliment the match for its athleticism or not? I'm sorry he didn't give it an endless stream of positive adjectives? He mentioned Ultimate Warrior because Omega used to remind him of Warrior in certain ways. He also found him to be a jerk and reckless and ultimately shit for the wrestling business. Corny actually knows both guys, by the way. To say that you don't see the similarities is robbing him of his own anecdotal experiences.

He nit-picked it because analyzing the match was the point of the entire exercise? As for not understanding it outside the context of the match -- firstly, that is what he is analyzing -- the match. Most of the people gushing over it don't understand it outside the context of it being just a match. Do you really think everyone talking about how great it was is a subscriber to New Japan World? Come on now.

Maybe I'm missing something, but I'm struggling to find sense in your complaints here. He watched the match, said it wasn't that great and explained why. You don't have to like his opinion, but to say "Well, he was negative about the things he didn't like and he probably doesn't watch all of Omega's stuff" isn't really a good logical rebuke of it. Analyzing a match as he has is something people do all the time, and outside of its context is how most people have taken it.

I think expectations are higher. It takes more nowadays to suck people in. If expectations were low, you and I would be on the WWE bandwagon praising everything they do, much like CyNick. We don't. Because we expect better and when we don't get it we walk away.

This is a fair point. I would just disagree in the sense that I don't expect better, although I would like it. I'd like things to make sense, be simpler, set face/heel dynamics, and be organized in a way to make money. That's actually a very Cornette way of thinking, haha. I say I think expectations are lower because look at what passes as a star these days. Look at how short the rises to the top are. Look at how every match is the same and people still chant "This is awesome!" a few minutes before the match ends right on cue.

I think people want more, but I don't think their expectations are higher. I think they are just conditioned to accept mediocrity as excellence in this era. Goldberg provides a really good context for this. The dude comes out in 2016 and is INSTANTLY the biggest star they have, despite being 50 and, frankly, extremely limited in the ring. His promos carried more energy than almost anything else on the show. A Goldberg promo would wake people up. Think about that.

This match had two year long stories meeting in a culmination of character growth and development. The fans were into it. You could tell with how they responded to the final 4 matches that the in ring performances enhanced stories that had been building up over time. It's part of what made them great for those who have followed NJPW enough to know what was going on.

This is a really good point. I'm sure there was a story there. I'm vaguely aware of Okada taking the reigns and now ruling NJPW and the rise of Kenny Omega. I'm not as compelled by the Omega story (it feels like he was pushed mainly in the absence of AJ Styles and Nakamura and that quite a few years of development were squeezed into one, but maybe the pacing was truly excellent). That being said, again, that is not really what Cornette is responding to. He's not saying that Omega isn't the top gaijin in Japan -- he's just saying that he doesn't fucking care for him and he's not as fucking good as everyone is raving about. Honestly, I'd agree with that.

But it worked in front of that audience. I don't think you can call the main event portion of the show a flop by any sense of the word. It got people on their feet and in the current climate that is what you want. It's just a shame that people are conditioned to mark out for Superkick Parties as opposed to switching their minds off and getting invested in good psychology. And that is why The Revival are an infinitely better team to me than The Young Bucks.

But yes, to the question "Did the match work?", the answer is clearly "Yes." That's pretty much it. But that doesn't mean that it was perfect or a five star classic or anything. Subjectively, I'm fine with people calling it a classic and I think just the emotion it stirs up in people is going to keep people going back to it even if it's not technically the best worked or most impressive physical contest in 2017.

This is an Academy Award nominee for sure, but that doesn't necessarily mean it will win the award or that it's Citizen Kane. It still conforms to some terrible tropes of modern cinema. Loud noises and explosions in lieu of character development. It was another action blockbuster, but it is probably one of the very best action blockbusters in a long, long while. Hell, it might even be The Matrix of action blockbusters.

I think the basics of wrestling storytelling still works. How it is presented is way changes. What worked for Vince in the 80s didn't work in the 90s, and so on and so forth. I agree with the guys breaking their bodies for nobody, but that has more to do with the stories behind the matches, or lack thereof. I urge you to follow NJPW, Noid. I think we have similar tastes in wrestling. I love what they're producing. It has direction, long term booking, character development and great in ring matches. I think you'd love it.

I agree with this, but sometimes I wonder if things had to change so drastically. Just because something works doesn't mean it's the only way to do things. This is why I sometimes question the streak of The Undertaker. People will often point out to what a successful tool it has been in the modern evolution of WrestleMania, and it's a fair point, but sometimes I wonder if people get turned off by a dude who is in year 26 of his character's run still hanging around. I wonder which stars could have been created if focus wasn't on a winning streak of a guy that can no longer go full-time, and honestly was involved in a lot of dross and was never the #1 guy even when he was. That's not to disrespect the dedication and legendary status of The Undertaker, but rather just to point out that I don't think he needed the streak and that everything might have been generally healthier if it wasn't such a big priority (among other things).

The basics of wrestling still work, but that doesn't mean you need to go back to the days of an atomic drop as a finisher. To steer this back to Jim Cornette, one of the modern matches he praises is Seth Rollins vs. Davey Richards from ROH Border Wars. Now, I have not seen this match, but from what I have been told it had a lot of MMA influence. Pacing-wise, general story-wise, I can see that some people may not see the difference between it and Okada/Omega -- but what Cornette praises about it, in addition to the athleticism he praises in Omega/Okada -- is the lack of obvious cooperation. As I said though, I have not seen it. But my point there is that Corny isn't calling for a regression of wrestling -- and this is often the biggest straw-man thrown at him when he is labeled out of touch. He regularly says that the best wrestling promotion in the world is the UFC.

But I have been thoroughly considering getting into New Japan, because I want to support something that isn't WWE, and for the most part I find the main event stuff there fascinating. I didn't hate Okada/Omega. I am conditioned to accepting that as the modern style, dragon superplexes and all. But I don't find my views that dissimilar to Cornette's in that, no, I wouldn't give the match five stars, let alone six. I would go as high as four and a half, and I think that is perfectly wonderful praise.

Him saying that's what people want to see is not accepting it. It's just acknowledging an obvious fact. Maybe he hasv accepted it but I'm not buying it based on how he presents his views on things.

There's a good bit Cornette does on wrestling being dead. It's worth a listen to. He talks about how you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube. You don't need to tell Corny that kayfabe is dead. Oh, he knows. He's just making money off its corpse at this point. That being said, given that "everybody knows it is fake" and yet how many people think that wrestlers have always used fake blood, or how easy it is to work people (remember people thinking Bryan/Miz was real just recently), and how stirred up I see Joe Citizen get about a UFC fighter being cocky and wanting to go down to the pub to see him get his lights knocked out, I actually don't think I'd agree with him on that. Political analysts would have never expected Trump to become President. People are extremely easy to work these days.

[Mr. Nerfect]

CORNETTE SHEEP,,,,,,,,,,,,

And damn proud. :rant:

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yes he did. He said that could've been a great finish, a count out finish, or a hospitalization angle or the finish, but then they went 20 more minutes. He was clearly suggesting that be the finish. It's pretty obvious.

Cornette, like anyone who's been in the business as long and has had the level of successes he's had, is wise and does have an endless amount of knowledge to listen to. It doesn't mean everything he says is going to resonate. Like obviously suggesting a table spot followed by count out or hospital angle to finish your main event match in the biggest show of the year.

On a different show? Absolutely. He's right. But this is more of the commenting on something he isn't actively aware of with context and story.

No, he didn't. He said those things in response to it happening. Once you've been shot ten times in a movie you should be dead; not that someone should be shot ten times in a movie. There seems to be this language barrier set up between Cornette and modern wrestling fans that I don't get, because the guy speaks pretty clear English.

If you're going to get dropped in your car from a forklift -- to use a familiar example -- that's an angle to explain your absence, injuries and further personal issues. That is what he is saying. In days when wrestling made sense, a spot like that (which Cornette praises for his its fluidity, by the way) would have been replayed and used as a way to generate money by getting people invested in the Omega comeback from injury. "Damn that Okada! He put Omega through the table on the biggest night of his life and now he's going to get back in the ring and avenge his fall...but I hope his neck is okay."

You go on to say that would work. I'm glad you agree with Cornette's point. He was not saying that Wrestle Kingdom 11, in particular, should have ended with a schmozz. He's just saying that if you BREAK YOUR NECK ON A FUCKING TABLE YOU SHOULD KIND OF BE DONE. If you do not want that to be the finish, don't do the fucking spot. That is what he is saying.

It would be like if Shawn Michaels kicked out of a Tombstone off the top rope through a flaming announce table surrounded by sharks at WrestleMania XXVI. "Man, that probably should have been the finish..." "But you can't have WrestleMania end in a shark fatality!".

[Mr. Nerfect]

I could give a shit about Cornette, SMW was alright but mostly just rednecks rasslin in armory's. And I'm from his territory so I know.

Love Cornette and enjoy watching SMW on YouTube, but I've seen some fan-cam footage that...well, it made me a bit uncomfortable.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Another thing with Cornette's criticism is he contradicts himself. He complained about them doing moves no one could get up from and then also complains about selling to much. He also said a perfect match was exciting, drew money, got both guys over and showed no obvious cooperation. Now they hit the first three out of the park, crowd was hot for the match, New Japan World had a big and increase in subscriptions as well as a good live crowd, and both are more over now than be for the match. Cornette himself said they were crisp with their execution of the moves. In his words it was damn near a perfect match. Something else funny he said was the NJPW should fire them both for going into the announce and technical area. Like I said his hatred of Omega clouds his judgement of this match. He didn't watch it for what it was and wasn't interested in seeing the story they told in the ring so everything seemed like a spot to him.

Doing moves no one could get up from and "selling too much" are not actually in contradiction to each other, and you can gather that from the context of what Cornette is saying, surely. One was a point about the excessive nature of the spots and the other was about the pacing of the match. Also, if the moves are moves you shouldn't get up from, and you get up at all, then it goes to follow that you aren't selling properly. This was fairly clearly Cornette's point. Lots of ill-timed lying around punctuated by big moves that should have involved more lying around.

The point about the perfect match isn't a contradiction either. Even if you accept the first three, as you put it (and New Japan World is actually under-performing, sadly, even though this did spike it), you're still left with the cooperation aspect. So it's not a perfect match. Cornette is responding to assertions that this was a 6-star match. That is better than perfect. Corny's just saying that the match wasn't perfect and here is why. Then he lists the perfectly valid reasons why. He didn't say it was fucking Tomko/Richards.

I actually didn't catch the bit about the technical stuff, lol. I was making a coffee or something. I'm going to go back and listen to that.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

He also said that the perfect wrestling match has never happened. The "obvious cooperation" will get every match every time. Every move has to have cooperation so the perfect match in that definition will never happen.

Boiling what he said to basics is that it wasn't the greatest match of all time which would be the only reason to give it six stars. Since the scale is supposed to only go to 4 like movie and tv reviews.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Those outside spots helped with the story the match was telling. Omega could have won the title with a count out earlier in the match but he wanted to pin Okada for the win. The table spot could have easily been a count out finish is exactly what they wanted you to think but the pride that both men had made them want to pin the other guy for the win. To end the match on the count out or not do the spots at all would not have told that story.

You can win a title via count out in Japan?

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm trying to figure out why people care what Cornette thinks about wrestling in the year 2017. Stuff from 25+ years ago..sure..He's naturally gonna hate 99% of the current product for 1 reason or another.

The guy still has a lot to offer, and even if people don't like him because he doesn't like the stunts/ironic stuff they like in 2017, I just wish people would objectively realize that. The dude is still one of the best promos in the business if you listen to him shill one of his personal appearances. When he cuts loose on a Kenny King, for example, it is one of the most glorious things ever.

But most of all, just listen to him when he gets his hands on something he loves. I very strongly recommend looking up him praising The Revival (I might even post it myself). Holy shit, when he flies into a tear about all the things they did right, pointing out some things they could improve along the way, basically giving them an OVW instructional lesson for free, by freakin' osmosis you "get it."

Granted, Cornette didn't work directly with The Revival and they do have access to some of the best trainers wrestling has going at the moment -- you can't give him credit for them -- but I guarantee they heard what he said and took it on board. They are one of the most old school acts in WWE and they happened to have the best match of 2016 even by the WWE's standards.

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He's useful. Very useful. He's probably not the only source you should use for your wrestling knowledge, and he'd be the first to admit that -- there's an entire library out there -- but there is a lot to pick up from him.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Yes

[Mr. Nerfect]

He also said that the perfect wrestling match has never happened. The "obvious cooperation" will get every match every time. Every move has to have cooperation so the perfect match in that definition will never happen.

Boiling what he said to basics is that it wasn't the greatest match of all time which would be the only reason to give it six stars. Since the scale is supposed to only go to 4 like movie and tv reviews.

Thank you.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The point about winning a title via countout in Japan is irrelevant. You shouldn't end the biggest match of your biggest show in that fashion. That is why you don't build to a countout finish. It's really not rocket science.

I'm not saying the table spot was the worst thing ever, by the way. We have become so desensitized to that sort of thing we're used to seeing it and now it doesn't matter as much. Soon Dragon Superplexes won't be accepted as finishing moves either. But it is a perfectly valid observation to say "Hey, maybe that shouldn't have been done that way." Neither of those spots was necessary to the match, I've heard both cited as moments where even people who loved the match got taken out of it. That doesn't mean the match is an instant write-off, but to say that they were perhaps missteps tonally is not fucking insane.

[Simple Fan]

Doing moves no one could get up from and "selling too much" are not actually in contradiction to each other, and you can gather that from the context of what Cornette is saying, surely. One was a point about the excessive nature of the spots and the other was about the pacing of the match. Also, if the moves are moves you shouldn't get up from, and you get up at all, then it goes to follow that you aren't selling properly. This was fairly clearly Cornette's point. Lots of ill-timed lying around punctuated by big moves that should have involved more lying around.

The point about the perfect match isn't a contradiction either. Even if you accept the first three, as you put it (and New Japan World is actually under-performing, sadly, even though this did spike it), you're still left with the cooperation aspect. So it's not a perfect match. Cornette is responding to assertions that this was a 6-star match. That is better than perfect. Corny's just saying that the match wasn't perfect and here is why. Then he lists the perfectly valid reasons why. He didn't say it was fucking Tomko/Richards.

I actually didn't catch the bit about the technical stuff, lol. I was making a coffee or something. I'm going to go back and listen to that.

Those moves were part of the story though. Both guys were going to give it everything they had and were not going to take the easy way out of the match. You do low risk moves get the crowd up like they did for that match. I actually thought they sold fine and they beat the hell out of one another I'm sure some of that really hurt and didn't need a lot of selling. I do agree with Jim on the elbows as opposed to the punches though. As for the obvious cooperation the only spot I really seen that had obvious cooperation was the half Nelson suplex off the top rope. I just don't think he watched the match for what it was and didn't get invested in seeing the story that the match told simply because he hates Omega.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It's fair enough to say that they were part of the story. They obviously were. I can just understand why people would feel they were the wrong notes to play. I personally thought quite a few times that they were calling things in the ring which I liked. They obviously knew they were going to the table and the top rope for that superplex, but for the most part I thought the match did come off really well.

[Emperor Smeat]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

Michael Cole looks a lot older there. How did Nigel McGuinness do on commentary, by the way?

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Michael Cole looks a lot older there. How did Nigel McGuinness do on commentary, by the way?

Commentary is really good. Cole is in the same mode he was in when he called Beast in the East.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Cole is necessary. He also did very good in play by play. It's not WWE without the voice of the WWE.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Do you figure he will be on Raw? How long is a flight 'across the pond?"

[Black Widow]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C17MkWnXgAEl5Y7.jpg

Apex Pervert ha!

[Ultra Mantis]

Do you figure he will be on Raw? How long is a flight 'across the pond?"

Depends where RAW is, it would take him an 8 hour flight to get to NY at least.

[Vastardikai]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C17MkWnXgAEl5Y7.jpg

Apex Pervert ha!

Better than looking at her face. :shifty:

[Black Widow]

Better than looking at her face. :shifty:Baylee Jr.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Smart WWE booking the Royal Rumble in the ProBowl Week

[RP]

Huge titties are huge titties. They must be looked at.

[Volare]

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[Cool King]

So I found out who won the UK tournament and I decided to read up on him.

I got as far as seeing "1997" as part of his date of birth and I closed the window.

I now feel old as shit and also a little bit depressed.

[Volare]

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[SlickyTrickyDamon]

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[SlickyTrickyDamon]

The only thing they are Elite at is shitheads.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Me, Dead Man and Taker...<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NJPW?src=hash">#NJPW</a> <a href="http://t.co/V5AwVvVzf6">pic.twitter.com/V5AwVvVzf6</a></p>&mdash; Scott Hall (@SCOTTHALLNWO) <a href="https://twitter.com/SCOTTHALLNWO/status/439360017024577536">February 28, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[Emperor Smeat]

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[Simple Fan]

The only thing they are Elite at is shitheads.

What was shitheadish about that? They gave that kid a memory he'll never forget.

[Bad News Gertner]

Making wrestling look like a joke

[Volare]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Me, Dead Man and Taker...<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NJPW?src=hash">#NJPW</a> <a href="http://t.co/V5AwVvVzf6">pic.twitter.com/V5AwVvVzf6</a></p>&mdash; Scott Hall (@SCOTTHALLNWO) <a href="https://twitter.com/SCOTTHALLNWO/status/439360017024577536">February 28, 2014</a></blockquote>
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ROFL!!!

[Jordan]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Me, Dead Man and Taker...<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NJPW?src=hash">#NJPW</a> <a href="http://t.co/V5AwVvVzf6">pic.twitter.com/V5AwVvVzf6</a></p>&mdash; Scott Hall (@SCOTTHALLNWO) <a href="https://twitter.com/SCOTTHALLNWO/status/439360017024577536">February 28, 2014</a></blockquote>
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:love::love::love::love::love::love:

[Mr. Nerfect]

The only thing they are Elite at is shitheads.

Fucking hell, they could have hurt that kid. Talk about "respecting the wrestling business" aside, it's dangerous as hell. Fuck them.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

lol, did you feel for that plant kid when the ball got knocked away from him before getting Ted DiBiase's money?

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

That wasn't psychical. Bow your head in shame.

[Mr. Nerfect]

No one's been injured by a mistimed wrestling strike before -- you're completely right. These guys are fuckheads looking to get themselves over doing whatever trash they can.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It's fucking dumb. I hate those guys so much.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

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and the dagger.

NSFW obviously

[Mr. Nerfect]

Fucking hell, how lame? Got no heat. People are bored and just standing around arms folded as Candice bleeds buckets for a fucking ridiculous "look at us spot."

That being said, I've got no clue how Candice LaRae hasn't been offered a WWE deal yet. She's cute and can apparently wrestle, plus she's engaged to a WWE guy. Unless the stories of her being able to wrestle have been largely exaggerated?

[#BROKEN Hasney]

That wasn't psychical. Bow your head in shame.

No one's been injured by a mistimed wrestling strike before -- you're completely right. These guys are fuckheads looking to get themselves over doing whatever trash they can.

It's fucking dumb. I hate those guys so much.

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[DaveWadding]

Shucky Ducky QUACK QUACK

[Black Widow]

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WWE wants to waste WM with music performances at least use RHCP.

[slik]

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[#BROKEN Hasney]

http://shoptna.com/jeff-jarrett-autographed-laser-engraved-guitar.aspx

slappy

[Emperor Smeat]

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[Droford]

http://shoptna.com/jeff-jarrett-autographed-laser-engraved-guitar.aspx

slappy

That's actually a deal. I went to a TNA show several years ago they were selling those for $250

[Droford]

https://i.imgur.com/LAYJ6Tm.jpg

Hmm

[Black Widow]

https://i.imgur.com/LAYJ6Tm.jpg

HmmOne of his daughter's?

[Cool King]

I've came across the apparent story that accompanies that picture.



I’m Payton’s Daddy… read on if you want to hear an amazing story.

Payton is a huge Lucha Underground fan and she’s been a big Son of Havoc fan since she started watching the show. A friend showed me a picture of a Seth Rollins cake that his friend had made for someone and we came up with the idea of getting an LU cake done for her ninth birthday. We sent over pictures and the lady who made it did an incredible job.

For Payton’s big birthday treat we booked tickets for both nights of the WWE UK Championship Tournament and we were booked into the same hotel as the WWE crew. During Saturday afternoon we were sat in the hotel bar waiting for our friends to arrive with the cake and Triple H came through. I asked if he had a moment to have a picture with Payton and he said he didn’t have time but he would come back. Well, he was a man of his word and came back… while I was outside the hotel meeting my friends with the cake.

He was leaving when I stepped out of the lift and I didn’t know if she had got a picture with him, so I asked and he said, “Is your little girl Payton?” When I said yes, he said that he’d had a chat and a picture with her - her Mum told me he went straight to her as soon as he walked into the room! I was completely gutted and just said, “so I’ve missed it”. With that he said, “you’re going to get your picture and then we’ll have a picture with the cake”.

He stayed for a little while longer after that, even took a picture with our friends. I can’t say enough about the man - he went out of his way to make Payton’s birthday special and he went out of his way to ensure that a father didn’t miss out on one of the most amazing moments of his daughter’s life.

And now she’s on the Facebook wall of one of her favourite wrestlers - when I show her she will be blown away. Her ninth birthday is one she will NEVER forget!

[thecc]

http://pa1.narvii.com/5979/dfd2e06139028fcf5e65329ca8f342946a409359_hq.gifWell I guess Ibushi isn't capable of having a match of the year now.

[Shadrick]

I'm surprised Hunter didn't bury Payton /2007 joke.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/xtyH6ImkspY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Rollermacka. You have pissed off the wrong man! Good luck!

[Dark One]

http://shop.wwe.com/on/demandware.static/-/Library-Sites-WWESharedLibrary/default/dw41bca5b8/content-images/home-page/home-asset-hero/HP_Hero_930x525_Save30Orton.gif

[Blonde Moment]

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/y_fHCLPk8mA" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Embed isn't working, but how insecure can a billion dollar company get?

https://streamable.com/if5pz

LMAO

[Maluco]

I've came across the apparent story that accompanies that picture.

When you consider how busy he must be, and how strict his routine is, he really is a class act doing things like this.

[Innovator]

Embed isn't working, but how insecure can a billion dollar company get?

https://streamable.com/if5pz

LMAO

YOU WILL LEARN TO LOVE HIM DAMMIT

[Evil Vito]

Embed isn't working, but how insecure can a billion dollar company get?

https://streamable.com/if5pz

LMAO

oh my fucking god :lol:

[Black Widow]

That's pretty sad and I'm a Reigns fan.

[Cool King]

https://s27.postimg.org/4p0m9mmj7/1484624649779.gif

[RP]

https://s27.postimg.org/4p0m9mmj7/1484624649779.gif

LOL wtf

[Innovator]

It warms my heart to know that someone could be solely employed by WWE to retroactively make people love Roman

[Evil Vito]

https://s27.postimg.org/4p0m9mmj7/1484624649779.gif

Can you imagine how much ass Randy was getting during the Evolution days? Early 20s, ripped, not married yet, on TV in a prominent role and clearly on the road to millions of dollars.

[RP]

http://dailywrestlingnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/nattie1.jpg

[Emperor Smeat]

http://i.imgur.com/j7x12Mn.gif

[Emperor Smeat]

Embed isn't working, but how insecure can a billion dollar company get?

https://streamable.com/if5pz

LMAO

Best part is if they weren't completely focused on constantly showing random crowd shots, they don't need to do stuff like that and get made into a laughing stock when caught.

[Cool King]

http://dailywrestlingnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/nattie1.jpg

https://s27.postimg.org/u4j1a92rn/ezgif_com_3ae818e695.gif

[Triple A]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">While Im absent,I try to learn more english.then after come back, My perfect english will overwhelm 205live guy`s their english^^)</p>&mdash; TAJIRI (@TajiriBuzzsaw) <a href="https://twitter.com/TajiriBuzzsaw/status/821480097270136833">January 17, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">TAJIRI`s english tweet has just started now. I`ll do it many times a day. for learn more english. I dont care if its wrong bro!!</p>&mdash; TAJIRI (@TajiriBuzzsaw) <a href="https://twitter.com/TajiriBuzzsaw/status/821483714320433153">January 17, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[RP]

https://s27.postimg.org/u4j1a92rn/ezgif_com_3ae818e695.gif

That kid is so damn proud! I love that child!

[slik]

Talking Smack just revealed that Jerry Lawler - Michael Cole - Cory Graves is the announce team for the Royal Rumble match.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

YES!

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

BYE BYE BORERON SAXTON

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

http://pa1.narvii.com/5979/dfd2e06139028fcf5e65329ca8f342946a409359_hq.gif

He could have broken his fucking neck and for what? Nothing! Sick Japanese bookers.

[Volare]

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/bO0Gi9EfJe8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[#BROKEN Hasney]

He could have broken his fucking neck and for what? Nothing! Sick Japanese bookers.

He never signed a WWE contract because he loves doing shit like this. Damn bookers!

I love Ibushi.

[Wishbone]

Ibushi is amazing. Not sure what crawled up STD's ass. He's beginning to sound like Miz.

[Emperor Smeat]

http://68.media.tumblr.com/2005abfd3d6d2a42971456c73ed84316/tumblr_ojyh99Hl0V1u1ljrzo1_500.gif

[Cool King]

I actually think his trip added to the segment.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I wonder if JBL becomes the new Jerry Lawler and he's now the heel announcer who stands up for what is truly good when he needs to and is more over than most of the roster.

[Black Widow]

http://68.media.tumblr.com/2005abfd3d6d2a42971456c73ed84316/tumblr_ojyh99Hl0V1u1ljrzo1_500.gif Best thing he's done in a while Ha!

[slik]

Should WWE do a storyline where Kevin Owens becomes Mick Foley's protege and KO starts dressing like Foley with sweatpants and flannel and even has his own Mr Socko?

[Big Vic]

Should WWE do a storyline where Kevin Owens becomes Mick Foley's protege and KO starts dressing like Foley with sweatpants and flannel and even has his own Mr Socko?

Would that be cool? Yes. Should they do that? No.

[Big Vic]

I feel like George Lucas should have asked him self those questions when filming episodes 1-3.

[slik]

first two minutes of botched entrance really funny

<iframe frameborder="0" width="480" height="270" src="//www.dailymotion.com/embed/video/x390yr8" allowfullscreen></iframe><br /><a href="http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x390yr8_wwf-ground-zero-shawn-michaels-vs-the-undertaker_sport" target="_blank">WWF Ground Zero - Shawn Michaels Vs...</a> <i>by <a href="http://www.dailymotion.com/WWFNetwork" target="_blank">WWFNetwork</a></i>

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">On this day in 2003, Steiner vs. HHH. <a href="https://t.co/MkLjWc3tt9">pic.twitter.com/MkLjWc3tt9</a></p>&mdash; Maffew MAGFest (@Maffewgregg) <a href="https://twitter.com/Maffewgregg/status/822184464814116865">January 19, 2017</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Jesus. Shawn is Hardy TNA bad there.

[slik]

<iframe frameborder="0" width="480" height="270" src="//www.dailymotion.com/embed/video/xywft" allowfullscreen></iframe><br /><a href="http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xywft_wwe-batista-powerbombs-scott-steine_news" target="_blank">WWE - Batista powerbombs Scott Steiner</a> <i>by <a href="http://www.dailymotion.com/bizzy94" target="_blank">bizzy94</a></i>

[slik]

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/mhSh35ryueA" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[Emperor Smeat]

http://i.imgur.com/MhnNyuf.jpg

[Cool King]

https://s27.postimg.org/ye7dvkgn7/image.png

[Savio]

Should be pic of him with the WWF title in there

[Cool King]

Undisputed Champion Jericho is behind US Champion Jericho on the left.

[Emperor Smeat]

Apparently AJ Styles had a bunch of his stuff get robbed during a recent house show.

Arkansas State University police are wrestling with a theft case that targeted a WWE grappler.

While 39-year-old Allen Neil Jones of Gainesville, GA performed at the WWE Live event Monday night at the Convocation Center, 217 Olympic Dr., someone stole his cash and belongings.

Jones, who performs as AJ Styles, reported the theft of a black bag containing $1,000 in American currency and $7,000 in Japanese yen.

The culprit also stole an iPhone, a set of Beats headphones, a small screen TV, an Xbox 360, and six Xbox 360 games.

The case is still under investigation.

Region 8 News has requested more information to be released in the case, but Arkansas State University has denied our request. We will continue to seek more information.
http://www.kait8.com/story/34297768/thief-lays-smackdown-on-wwe-superstar-performing-at-the-convo

[Cool King]

I've never heard of a wrestler carrying a TV and a games console around with him everywhere he went.

[Ultra Mantis]

You've never heard of Xavier Woods?

[Droford]

Kinda odd hed still have ¥7,000 which is only about 60 bucks

[Black Widow]

Damn, that dude really wanted to take Styles Cash.

[Droford]

Hornswoggle is in TN..Impact Wrestling? Lol

[Droford]

Sandow with nude colored tights

He's in gimmick hell again

[Emperor Smeat]

WWE's banning of Rollins' Curb Stomp finisher even extends to comic books since they retconed the ending of Mania 31 for their newest comic series.

https://i.redd.it/pjmm1rthlpay.png

[Vastardikai]

Did they keep the Snoopy Dance?

[Emperor Smeat]

Nope, that also got retconed out.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/tE8Fwn1sh0sbhJtv4YG6jyRb8bBr_yOWgJlwz_pSen63vaunLdbGP-OHGmeyJv9KspfI8CRM9bSt5hbuuP7DTUPPkj26uhdYf9fW4gWlRMI1zTLuOLCyOeyXuRZQQYUpEE4-pg=s0

[Vastardikai]

Bullshit! :mad:

[Lock Jaw]

Just caught up with Monday Night RAW. By which I mean I maybe watched 30 minutes of it tops and fast forwarded through the rest.

Pretty much watched:
- Opening Segment
- Charlotte/Bayley Segment
- Alicia Fox
- Aftermath of six man tag

[Lock Jaw]

Just caught up on Smackdown Live. By which I mean I actually watched the majority of it.

Only skipped:
- Nikki/Nattie Segment
- Ambrose/Orton match (not because I wasn't interested, but mainly for time)

[DAMN iNATOR]

Kinda odd hed still have ¥7,000 which is only about 60 bucks

No. The article says $7,000 in Japanese Yen, which would actually be around ¥48,070.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

It could be either way.

[Disturbed316]

What scum bags.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

I've never heard of a wrestler carrying a TV and a games console around with him everywhere he went.

He's in the semi-finals of the UpUpDown Down Madden Tournament. He is facing Jack Swagger for the Smackdown Live Championship bracket.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Sandow with nude colored tights

He's in gimmick hell again

He is too stupid to say no to things.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BPdzrQPB_id/

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

A Very Bully photo.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Samoa Joe has the 5th best odds of winning the Rumble based on gambling sites here. Weird.

1) BRAUN
2) Undertaker
3) Orton
4) Finn Balor
5) Samoa Joe

Donald Trump is 2000/1

[slik]

During an interview with Busted Open Radio, Chris Jericho revealed the original plans for WrestleMania 32:

“I knew from the moment I came out what was going to happen, which was me eventually turning heel. It got pushed back a little bit because the AJ Styles thing worked so well, so Vince wanted us to be a tag team, and then work at Wrestlemania; the original plan was for me to work with Ambrose at Wrestlemania.

I started planting those seeds as a babyface that were really pissing people off and I knew it. And it was fun for me to see them say ‘Jericho’s done… this is stale, he’s so stale. That scarf and the vest, he looks ridiculous, and it’s the same old catchphrases, and he’s trying to get a Rooty Tooty Booty chant going; it’s so annoying. It’s sad to see Jericho falling so low.’ And I was like oh, you guys are just – I’m the master of puppets yet again, manipulating the entire business into planting those seeds for when I finally turned heel. And people were like, ‘Well we’re glad he turned heel because he wasn’t doing a good job as a babyface’ but I knew all that. That is one thing that I had planned.”

[Simple Fan]

He is too stupid to say no to things.

Pretty sure he's the one who pushed for the gimmick. TNA was to stupid to tell him no. At least he has a gimmick now. When he first arrived in TNA he looked like a generic CAW from a video game. He always did a good job in WWE with his characters so I think he can make it his own. It's just hard to transition into a character like that after debuting as a regular guy. If he came in with the gimmick it would have been better.

[erickman]

Pretty sure he's the one who pushed for the gimmick. TNA was to stupid to tell him no. At least he has a gimmick now. When he first arrived in TNA he looked like a generic CAW from a video game. He always did a good job in WWE with his characters so I think he can make it his own. It's just hard to transition into a character like that after debuting as a regular guy. If he came in with the gimmick it would have been better.

he could very well get it over, but I want to know how big is rockstar spud he can have a legit match with swogle

[#BROKEN Hasney]

I'm the master of puppets

Shame his band isn't as good as Metallica

[GD]

I'm very excited for this year's Royal Rumble event. Quality stuff.

[Savio]

Undisputed Champion Jericho is behind US Champion Jericho on the left.

But I cant see the title :(

[GD]

Damn, Nikki Bella looking "foine"!

http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/gallery_img_l/public/all/2017/01/001_Nikki_09112016ca_124b--d9ff30d4ab5f15003eee18e4d62e1ce5.jpg

[GD]

https://s27.postimg.org/ye7dvkgn7/image.png

If Chris Jericho were to win the WWE Universal Championship in the future, he'd be the only wrestler to have won the WWE Universal Championship, the World Heavyweight Championship, the WWF/E Championship, and the WCW / World Championship. Would've made the feat even more impressive if he had won the WWECW Championship.

[GD]

Would be very amusing if Jericho were to drop down his weight and compete for the new Cruiserweight Championship...

[Emperor Smeat]

https://i.imgur.com/5iQkoe4.jpg

[#BROKEN Hasney]

https://i.imgur.com/5iQkoe4.jpg

Now kiss

[#BROKEN Hasney]

https://s29.postimg.org/4mqe4ibhj/romanloses.gif

[Mr. Nerfect]

SCG RuView is up, motherfuckers.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

What is that? Not trying to be dismissive, but you post like it's a big deal so I'd be down for something good.

I got tricked into listening to the Lapsed Fan, so as long as it's much better than that.

[Cool King]

Is it just me or is Mickie James really hot now?

She's always had a certain level of attractiveness about her, but I can't remember her being as hot as she is now back during his first run in the WWE.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

She's had work done, but she was always hot

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/1946956/mickie-james-v-lick-o.gif

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm still hoping that the finish to the Becky/Mickie match is Mickie teasing the pussy grab, only for Becky to counter it into the Dis-Arm-Her.

[Emperor Smeat]

HBK teased he would consider having a one night comeback from retirement if Samoa Joe was picked to be his opponent for the match. Not interested in anyone else but him.

If he has been approached about a WWE return:

"It's funny because the two guys who really make the decisions, which is Vince [McMahon] and Hunter [Paul 'Triple H' Levesque], in seven years have never even approached me. I guess I'm semi-amused that people think 'Vince is saying this' and whatnot because those are the two people that understand why and respect why I retired and understood it."

His ideal dream return match:

"I look at Samoa Joe and I've told him a number of times that I see his stuff at NXT and think to myself, 'Man, I could have a great deal of fun with you.' He's a guy I have sort of enjoyed, and one of those sleeper guys that no one talks about.

"We have contrasting styles. I get that everybody wants to see me and AJ or Seth or Dolph [Ziggler]. From my standpoint, I think really telling a great story out there [is most important]. I could do it with a guy like Samoa Joe. His stuff looks really good, and sometimes he just looks like he's beating the tar out of somebody."
Came from a recent interview HBK had with ESPN: http://www.espn.com/wwe/story/_/id/18513789/shawn-michaels-claims-there-no-itch-scratch-terms-wwe-return-points-samoa-joe-hypothetical-dream-opponent

[Mr. Nerfect]

What is that? Not trying to be dismissive, but you post like it's a big deal so I'd be down for something good.

I got tricked into listening to the Lapsed Fan, so as long as it's much better than that.

You've probably seen the Squared Circle Gazette Radio posts on here. Their RuView is where they look at a show written by Vince Russo. If you've never listened to SCG Radio, I highly recommend it. I avoided podcasts about wrestling for a long time, but now I find them more entertaining than actual wrestling today.

SCG Radio is my favorite. The guys have this camaraderie that makes you feel like you are part of a really educated conversation about wrestling. They're sharp, witty, smart, knowledgeable and aren't a negative listen even if they are objective and realistic about things.

[Mr. Nerfect]

HBK teased he would consider having a one night comeback from retirement if Samoa Joe was picked to be his opponent for the match. Not interested in anyone else but him.


Came from a recent interview HBK had with ESPN: http://www.espn.com/wwe/story/_/id/18513789/shawn-michaels-claims-there-no-itch-scratch-terms-wwe-return-points-samoa-joe-hypothetical-dream-opponent

Fuck it. Book that shit. Have Joe try to get into the Rumble, have Shane or Foley tell him that there's no spot for him, have HBK come out in San Antonio and cut a promo about how wonderful it is to be here and have Joe come out to eat Michaels.

[Mr. Nerfect]

* Cena vs. Taker
* Reigns vs. Goldberg
* Styles vs. Angle
* Michaels vs. Joe
* Brock vs. Shane
* Triple H vs. Rollins

[Wishbone]

Cool card except the Brock vs Shane match. Really, REALLY don't want to see that happen (or any Shane match ever again honestly.)

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Man Samoa Joe beating HBK at Mania would be a great way to get him started on the main roster. Yes please.

[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Can <a href="https://twitter.com/BillieKayWWE">@BillieKayWWE</a> &amp; <a href="https://twitter.com/WWEPeytonRoyce">@WWEPeytonRoyce</a> get <a href="https://twitter.com/ShinsukeN">@ShinsukeN</a>'s vote for <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NXTBreakoutOfTheYear?src=hash">#NXTBreakoutOfTheYear</a>? The world may never know... <a href="https://t.co/rU8y8oEQlC">https://t.co/rU8y8oEQlC</a> <a href="https://t.co/oaYTSausPX">pic.twitter.com/oaYTSausPX</a></p>&mdash; WWE NXT (@WWENXT) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWENXT/status/822564680694697985">January 20, 2017</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[erickman]

get him to vote bobby roode

[Mr. Nerfect]

Cool card except the Brock vs Shane match. Really, REALLY don't want to see that happen (or any Shane match ever again honestly.)

I'd rather see it than the pissing away of Brock/Goldberg which will be better in the imagination. Shane can take a beating well and Brock can dish one out.

That being said, after doing some thinking yesterday, I've decided that my preferred route for WrestleMania is to scrap Triple H vs. Rollins and instead have Triple H sponsor Brock for a match against Rollins. The idea is that Goldberg has the Universal Title match and Brock wants the first shot if Goldberg wins, but Triple H holds the shot over his head in order to get him to destroy Rollins.

New theme music and tights for Rollins at WrestleMania. Something similar to Hiroshi Tanahashi. Seth is confident in his ability to take on Lesnar, and as a wrestling babyface people should get behind him. At Mania he finds a way to beat The Beast, proving that he is someone that your average WWE fan can truly get behind. Brock then turns face (no one really wants to boo the guy) by snapping on Triple H who refuses to give him a title shot. Brock destroys Triple H at the next PPV.

If you really want to put Seth over, that's a better way to do it. Seth beats Brock in a competitive match. "Oh, Brock must not have it anymore." Wrong, he can still kill dudes like Triple H with relative ease. Seth is just that fucking good.

But this operation isn't really about putting Seth over, is it?

[Emperor Smeat]

https://68.media.tumblr.com/c29c6617c69ae3bfa5a0af9b24f18466/tumblr_nmz6jeniwf1tk9hhgo1_250.gif

https://68.media.tumblr.com/570c4600f5b32f67521ce08a012c1995/tumblr_nmz6jeniwf1tk9hhgo6_250.gif

https://68.media.tumblr.com/ad85c67010b97e1a3025f28cdc44a390/tumblr_nmz6jeniwf1tk9hhgo2_250.gif

[GD]

She can get away with saying something like that based on how pretty she looks.

[Volare]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Can <a href="https://twitter.com/BillieKayWWE">@BillieKayWWE</a> &amp; <a href="https://twitter.com/WWEPeytonRoyce">@WWEPeytonRoyce</a> get <a href="https://twitter.com/ShinsukeN">@ShinsukeN</a>'s vote for <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NXTBreakoutOfTheYear?src=hash">#NXTBreakoutOfTheYear</a>? The world may never know... <a href="https://t.co/rU8y8oEQlC">https://t.co/rU8y8oEQlC</a> <a href="https://t.co/oaYTSausPX">pic.twitter.com/oaYTSausPX</a></p>&mdash; WWE NXT (@WWENXT) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWENXT/status/822564680694697985">January 20, 2017</a></blockquote>
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So Yujiro, Shinsuke, and The Godfather walk into a bar....

[Cool King]

https://68.media.tumblr.com/c29c6617c69ae3bfa5a0af9b24f18466/tumblr_nmz6jeniwf1tk9hhgo1_250.gif

https://68.media.tumblr.com/570c4600f5b32f67521ce08a012c1995/tumblr_nmz6jeniwf1tk9hhgo6_250.gif

https://68.media.tumblr.com/ad85c67010b97e1a3025f28cdc44a390/tumblr_nmz6jeniwf1tk9hhgo2_250.gif

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/U2J60QsaV1s?start=8&end=13" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[Blue Demon]

http://s1.hulkshare.com/song_images/original/5/1/6/5166d37f8e97d24c6d71cf2aa70e492b.jpg?dd=1459641040

[Blue Demon]

I used to own that

[Juan]

I still have my copy in a box somewhere

[Ultra Mantis]

New season of Survivor begins tomorrow, we have the lowest turnout so far since I took over so go on over and pick a guy. DaveWadding, Savio, Gertner & SMeatball are our most consistent contestants, CyNick got 3rd place on his first try, but how would the Noids and Newsteads of TPWW fair?

http://www.tpwwforums.com/showthread.php?t=132759

Gauntlet thrown.

[#1-norm-fan]

I noticed before but it never really hit me until just now... 205 live is live AFTER Smackdown. For the people who watch, can you actually see people leaving the arena during the show? Seems like such a horrible idea that I would have seen discussed more.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

they should just produce it like NXT

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

then again it wouldn't work cuz cruisers scrap on RAW

[DAMN iNATOR]

Now kiss

Yes please.

She's had work done, but she was always hot

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/1946956/mickie-james-v-lick-o.gif

#QFT

[The CyNick]

She can get away with saying something like that based on how pretty she looks.

She's not going to find a man to get her pregnant with those antics.

[The CyNick]

New season of Survivor begins tomorrow, we have the lowest turnout so far since I took over so go on over and pick a guy. DaveWadding, Savio, Gertner & SMeatball are our most consistent contestants, CyNick got 3rd place on his first try, but how would the Noids and Newsteads of TPWW fair?

http://www.tpwwforums.com/showthread.php?t=132759

Gauntlet thrown.

Noid would be terrible, because it's Noid.

[GD]

I noticed before but it never really hit me until just now... 205 live is live AFTER Smackdown. For the people who watch, can you actually see people leaving the arena during the show? Seems like such a horrible idea that I would have seen discussed more.

It's true. I heard that they shot an episode prior to Smackdown and the results weren't that great.

The writing staff is yet to figure out the recipe to gain the attention of the masses as far as 205 Live and the Cruiserweight presentation on RAW are concerned. The purple ropes and lighting aren't doing much for the general audience either. I'm worried that they're going to get relegated to the "piss break" segment of the show.

[The CyNick]

It's true. I heard that they shot an episode prior to Smackdown and the results weren't that great.

The writing staff is yet to figure out the recipe to gain the attention of the masses as far as 205 Live and the Cruiserweight presentation on RAW are concerned. The purple ropes and lighting aren't doing much for the general audience either. I'm worried that they're going to get relegated to the "piss break" segment of the show.

The real answer is cruiserweights don't appeal to the audience that attends RAW or SDL. WWE put tons of effort into getting these guys over, but the average wrestling fan just doesn't care for guys who look like they should be riding horses at the Kentucky Derby. I think the future of 205 Live will be at Full Sail, where you have a couple hundred hardcore fans that will treat those guys like stars.

[GD]

It's Hunter's "brainchild". While hardcore fans salivate to whatever Hunter has to offer, the mainstream audience hasn't necessary been receptive. If he weren't under the WWE umbrella, he'd be no better than ECW or any other indie fed like ROH.

I really want one of Hunter's projects to succeed at a "mainstream level". Hence, I don't want them to give up on 205 Live just yet. NXT wasn't always what it is today.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I think also a point Gertner made rings true. There's nothing actually unique about how those guys work , because the "heavyweights" all work that style now too.

So they just see these 5'8" 170 pound seemingly "average joes" and it's not particularly interesting.

There needs to be something other than being smaller and having a different set to differentiate these guys, and the style needs to be more exciting.

Have wild cruiser matches that wet the pallet for the main events.

[Emperor Smeat]

She's not going to find a man to get her pregnant with those antics.

Doesn't seem to bother Ambrose considering those two have been in a relationship for a few years now.

[Emperor Smeat]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

Gertner's correct that the cruiserweights work the same as the heavyweights and there is less emphasis on size than ever before. But more so than that, the personalities are bland and no one gives a shit because they all came in at the same time.

* Jack Gallagher has actually shown some personality and does some different stuff in the ring. It's working for now, but the problem will be when people get sick of seeing it.

* Cedric Alexander is passive as his girlfriend makes out with other men. Sure, we live in a new age, but generally speaking, being a "cuck" isn't going to make a dude look good to your average wrestling fan.

* Rich Swann likes to dance and looks for pity because his life was hard.

* TJ Perkins loves video games and dabs. Pretty annoying.

* Brian Kendrick is good at talking and in the ring, and his desperate Revanant Leonardo Spanky gimmick was interesting, but then he won and lost the title already.

The one interesting guy is Neville because he is ruthless and looks like a fucking star out there with the no-marks. The best thing they could do is have him kill Swann and let him run with the Cruiserweight Title as you bring in your next wave of guys who can make themselves off the backs of the guys that haven't worked out -- Akira Tozawa, Kota Ibushi, Gran Metalik and, eventually, Kalisto.

[Fox]

I think you have to pull an RVD in ECW on the cruiserweight division. What i mean by that is make the cruiserweight championship matches something to look forward to by creating a fighting champion. Give Neville the title and build intrigue by having him defeat every challenger for like a year, give them 15 to 20 minutes every night to get over. Eventually, when another guy starts to get over, you build him as the ultimate challenger and build to the big title switch.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

It's Hunter's "brainchild". While hardcore fans salivate to whatever Hunter has to offer, the mainstream audience hasn't necessary been receptive. If he weren't under the WWE umbrella, he'd be no better than ECW or any other indie fed like ROH.

I really want one of Hunter's projects to succeed at a "mainstream level". Hence, I don't want them to give up on 205 Live just yet. NXT wasn't always what it is today.

It's actually apparently not HHH's.

According to Mike Johnson at PWInsider, that’s because 205 Live is being overseen by the men who make Raw happen every week - not the one who created the CWC.

Yep, Vince McMahon and Executive Vice-President of Television Production Kevin Dunn are in charge of the cruisers... not Triple H. Per the Insider report, Vince “has been extremely hands on with the Cruiserweights in getting them to execute his vision”.

[XL]

I get the issues with the CW division; the tournament was brilliant as these guys went out and wailed on each other in a much more hard-hitting style than the main roster, however, at that point these guys aren't WWE contracted talent, there's no storylines built around them, and do you know what? If they get injured we bring a sub in.

Now they're regularly paid members of the roster filling spots on Raw and now their own show in 205Live. If they get injured now they're getting their downside from the company and not adding to the product. Furthermore, if Kendrick and Alexander go out there and kick the shit out of each other using stiff shots and high risk moves in the 3rd match of the night they're going to "out perform" the top of the card. Casuals will question that the cruisers look like they really hit each other, while Rollins/Reigns/Jericho/Owens in the main event look phoney. That's not a good look.

That's the business sense. From a fan's enjoyment POV I'd like to see them do something with the CW to differentiate them from the rest of the card (not just different ropes).

Perhaps you mould the division into a "league" where matches are worth points leading to a play-off for #1 Contendership, meanwhile the champ can have the odd exhibition match where he looks strong. This makes every match worth something as there's always something on the line. PPV wins could be worth more than Raw wins, a 205Live main event win could come with a bonus. You could even have whoever is bottom of the league "relegated" for a "season", where they go to NXT or, if you've soured on them, back to the indies.

[XL]

Or send them out to a new WWEUK show, or one of your associated British groups.

[GD]

It's actually apparently not HHH's.

Well, that explains a lot.

[Tom Guycott]

WWE put tons of effort into getting these guys over, but the average wrestling fan just doesn't care for guys who look like they should be riding horses at the Kentucky Derby. .

Their own fault, really. When you reinforce for years and years that nobody should give a shit about a cruiserweight/light heavyweight/smaller guy in general, then you *suddenly stress* that they are now supposed to be taken seriously, people aren't going to buy it overnight. Hell, look how long of a gap between having passable matches in the Trish (after she improved remarkably) and Lita era of women and the current product with multiple women who can actually go and are allowed to. A chunk of that time was spent relaying the message that you weren't important to the show unless you had a penis, and as a result, we had horrible 1 on 1 with shit workers and 12 on 12 clusterfuck tag matches that half of the participants just stood on the ropes "looking pretty" (which may or may not have actually been the case).

The only times I can recall the division being presented as serious pants business is when a) WWF tried to build a LH division around TAKA... and then seemed to forget about it in a couple of months, and when Gregory Helms was a champion without a division... so it fizzled out in a couple of months. Historically, "cruiserweight" calibur guys quickly descend to jobber, a comedy act, or Heat/Jakked/Metal/Superstars duty (or essentially all the same hell), and decades of that has conditioned the crowd to think that only. Now, youre suddenly asking everyone to not only take them seriously, but devote an additional hour of an already self-saturated market to watching them. Its a big ask.

[thecc]

I finished watching 2009 Chikara today. The reveal for the BDK might still be one of my favorite things in wrestling. It's incredible how Chikara is always able to interweave all their storylines together.

[The CyNick]

Doesn't seem to bother Ambrose considering those two have been in a relationship for a few years now.

Banging her during her prime years isn't the same as finding a man to get her pregnant.

[The CyNick]

Their own fault, really. When you reinforce for years and years that nobody should give a shit about a cruiserweight/light heavyweight/smaller guy in general, then you *suddenly stress* that they are now supposed to be taken seriously, people aren't going to buy it overnight. Hell, look how long of a gap between having passable matches in the Trish (after she improved remarkably) and Lita era of women and the current product with multiple women who can actually go and are allowed to. A chunk of that time was spent relaying the message that you weren't important to the show unless you had a penis, and as a result, we had horrible 1 on 1 with shit workers and 12 on 12 clusterfuck tag matches that half of the participants just stood on the ropes "looking pretty" (which may or may not have actually been the case).

The only times I can recall the division being presented as serious pants business is when a) WWF tried to build a LH division around TAKA... and then seemed to forget about it in a couple of months, and when Gregory Helms was a champion without a division... so it fizzled out in a couple of months. Historically, "cruiserweight" calibur guys quickly descend to jobber, a comedy act, or Heat/Jakked/Metal/Superstars duty (or essentially all the same hell), and decades of that has conditioned the crowd to think that only. Now, youre suddenly asking everyone to not only take them seriously, but devote an additional hour of an already self-saturated market to watching them. Its a big ask.

Yeah cuz they never treated Rey Mysterio or Eddie Guerrero like top guys. Take a lap bud.

[Emperor Smeat]

Banging her during her prime years isn't the same as finding a man to get her pregnant.

Could also just be waiting till a later time or maybe when she retires/leaves the WWE to start a family like Bryan and Brie did. Miz did something similar with Maryse with being together for years before tying the knot and consider the idea of starting a family.

Not sure why your trying to imply Ambrose doesn't love Renee and/or only sees her as a disposable fuck buddy.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Did someone say something about Eddie and Rey being treated like top guys in the Cruiserweight Division? I wouldn't dare feed a troll, but someone should point out that Eddie and Rey were never treated like big deals within the Cruiserweight Division in WWE. In fact, Eddie was never in it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think you have to pull an RVD in ECW on the cruiserweight division. What i mean by that is make the cruiserweight championship matches something to look forward to by creating a fighting champion. Give Neville the title and build intrigue by having him defeat every challenger for like a year, give them 15 to 20 minutes every night to get over. Eventually, when another guy starts to get over, you build him as the ultimate challenger and build to the big title switch.

I don't think it even needs to be for a year. Neville should win the belt, but you could even switch it as early as Mania to a guy like Kota Ibushi.

[Nicky Fives]

Totally agree. Neville should hold the belt for a long time, defeating every challenger clean. Wait until one of the faces starts to get hot, then switch it over.

With the cruiserweights having there own show, it doesn't even have to be that long, he just needs to defend his championship every second show or so and win a clusterfuck multi-man match at Mania quite handily to retain....

[Lock Jaw]

Did someone say something about Eddie and Rey being treated like top guys in the Cruiserweight Division? I wouldn't dare feed a troll, but someone should point out that Eddie and Rey were never treated like big deals within the Cruiserweight Division in WWE. In fact, Eddie was never in it.

Wasn't Rey the face of the division for a bit..... feuding with the likes of Tajiri and others.......

[Mr. Nerfect]

There seems to be a lot of people who don't think that they're going to do Dolph Ziggler vs. Jerry Lawler, but I'd actually really like to see it. They also seem to be roping JBL in it, but I'd like to see King get back in there if he's healthy enough. He seems adamant that the heart problem was caused by the impact. It'd have a different flavor for WrestleMania -- an old school Memphis brawl feel. It'd be a good way to send King off. Have Ziggler beat him with a Heartbreak Kick.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Wasn't Rey the face of the division for a bit..... feuding with the likes of Tajiri and others.......

Not as a top guy.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Also, I don't want Tye Dillinger to be #10 in the Royal Rumble. I want him to be #11 and come out and toss out #10 for stealing "his spot."

[Mr. Nerfect]

Have it be someone like Jinder Mahal. I'd suggest Titus O'Neil, but I think he's a bit too shit to sell the moment well.