"100,001" Replies (Wrestling Forum)

[Bad News Gertner]

Same.

[Seanny One Ball]

Yeah I kind of hated it too.
I liked the stunner when guys would slide off to the side after it. It made it look like he killed them. A little round guy like Pat Patterson going down from that sort of stunner was always nice.

[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">R-Truth's life goal is to make other people break on Raw Talk ������<a href="https://t.co/XGMqpz3era">pic.twitter.com/XGMqpz3era</a></p>&mdash; Fightful Wrestling (@FightfulWrestle) <a href="https://twitter.com/FightfulWrestle/status/1316125193727868933?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 13, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Emperor Smeat]

Seems there are growing concerns that GCW's The Collective series of shows this past weekend in Indianapolis, Indiana might have resulted in a new wrestling-related coronavirus outbreak.

Based on social media during the weekend, at least one person did feel ill after attending a show and another person or two puked a lot while attending shows although one might have been more due to drunkenness.

[Bad News Gertner]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">R-Truth's life goal is to make other people break on Raw Talk ������<a href="https://t.co/XGMqpz3era">pic.twitter.com/XGMqpz3era</a></p>&mdash; Fightful Wrestling (@FightfulWrestle) <a href="https://twitter.com/FightfulWrestle/status/1316125193727868933?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 13, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I truly don't get why people find R Truth funny.

[Emperor Smeat]

Despite that clip being one of his weaker efforts because he didn't get Styles to corpse on camera, he's usually very entertaining when it comes to improv style comedy and comedic antics while in a modern WWE setting that doesn't really lend itself to good comedy.

Most of his comedic gold revolves around making something as absurd or ridiculous as possible for some quick dumb laughs.

[Bad News Gertner]

Like in don't get why people went wild for the in ring thing he did with Heyman and Lesnar

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Cuz wrestling fans are lame

[Emperor Smeat]

Probably just for the absurdness of the whole segment involving someone who is a huge goofball and someone who is meant to be like a Final Boss type figure. Everyone knows its going to end with him getting utterly destroyed but the ride to that moment is bound to be full of comedic antics. Crowd gets their moment of laughter and Lesnar gets to add another piece to his aura as the beast of WWE.

Plus Truth is one of the very few genuine lovable stars WWE has on their main roster so crowds just really enjoy seeing him whenever he shows up.

[Vastardikai]

Unpopular Opinion: Tim Storm is better than Kenny Omega.

[Lock Jaw]

Unpopular Opinion: Vaseline on toast is better than Kenny Omega.

[Lock Jaw]

(I don't really mean that. I think Kenny could have been a "star", as big as they can get nowadays anyways by which I mean treated like a big deal for awhile before becoming like anyone else, if he went to WWE instead of sticking around his buddies and being goofy)

[Vastardikai]

You have to admit the one I repped you was funny, though.

Honestly, the reason why I say that is thus: Tim Storm is a breath of fresh air compared to these goofy pizza cutter wrestlers who are all edge and no point. His old ass comes across as sincere, and it's a breath of fresh air.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Jay White is better than Kenny Omega.

[#1-norm-fan]

I laughed at how sad it was that some nobody in his 50s named Tim Storm was NWA champion. Then NWA Power came along and I actually got invested in him. Fuck, I miss that show.

And yeah. Watching just a couple episodes of NWA Power should leave you more interested in Tim Storm than watching every AEW appearance by Omega.

[Fignuts]

Love Toni Storm. Brings the physicality and god damn she thiccc

So happy she's back

[Seanny One Ball]

You like a big strong woman called Tony aye?

[Emperor Smeat]

PWI released their Top 100 Women list for this year with Bayley taking the top spot for the first time in her career.

Highest spot AEW got was #6 with Shida and highest spot for non-WWE/AEW women was #7 with Tessa Blanchard.

Despite missing almost half the year due to pregnancy, Becky Lynch someone managed to be #2.

Smackdown Women’s Champion Bayley has been announced as the top women’s wrestler of 2020, at least according to Pro Wrestling Illustrated. She has achieved the #1 spot on the annual PWI Women’s 100, on a list where WWE takes the top five spots total.

This is Bayley’s highest position on the chart and her first time at #1. She previously ranked #6 in 2019, #17 in 2018, #5 in both 2017 and 2016, #11 in 2015, #19 in 2014 and #47 in 2013.

The top ten this year includes:

1. Bayley (Last year: #6)
2. Becky Lynch (LY: #1)
3. Asuka (LY: #11)
4. Charlotte Flair (LY: #2)
5. Sasha Banks (LY: #14)
6. Hikaru Shida (LY: #62)
7. Tessa Blanchard (LY: #5)
8. Riho (LY: #43)
9. Io Shirai (LY: #8)
10. Mayu Iwatani (LY: #16)

[hb2k]

Nice on Pillman, doubt I'll learn anything new since I own his DVD though.

Read the book, the DVD tells less than half his story.

[Fignuts]

Mayu has literally been carrying stardom on her back amidst all the retirements, COVID issues, and the Hana Kimura tragedy. She should be higher.

[Emperor Smeat]

Maybe if PWI didn't rank their lists very heavily towards the kayfabe side.

Not sure if they even consider any other women's title besides those in WWE, NXT, AEW, and Impact as world tittle tier status.

Even PWI's editor admitted Shida would have been ranked higher had they been more fond of AEW's booking for their women's title and division. Booking issues and lack of main event matches for women were their main digs against Shida and AEW's ranking spot.

[Emperor Smeat]

Either fan applications for WWE's ThunderDome and Capitol Wrestling Center shows have been declining recently or WWE simply got tired of having to monitor a ton of screens for trouble makers since supposedly NXT's giant video board has been using recorded footage of fan cameras from prior shows.

Since NXT TakeOver: 31, the black and gold brand has broadcast all programming from the Capitol Wrestling Center. Similar to the Amway Center, which hosts Raw and SmackDown, the ring is surrounded by LED screens filled with virtual fans.

All the fans on the video wall during the broadcast seemingly aren't live, though. Wrestling fan Jessi Davin could be seen on the LED screens behind Fandango and Tyler Breeze on last night's NXT but she tweeted a video saying she was actually watching AEW: Dynamite.

She wrote: "Why is WWE using stock footage of old Thunderdome participants in the Capitol Wrestling Center lololol I am NOT THERE I am watching #AEWDynamite.

"Y'all I have zero problem with it. I'm actually flattered they thought my footage was good enough to use twice. I'm not outraged, either. When you agree to enter the Thunderdome you agree to the terms and conditions. I'm sure this was in there in the famed wall of text."

Fightful Select later reported multiple readers have told them their image has appeared inside the Capitol Wrestling Center despite them not live streaming at the time.

If its a case of declining fan interest, that's a bad look for NXT and interest for the brand considering they have a lot fewer screens for their shows at the PC.

[Vastardikai]

I laughed at how sad it was that some nobody in his 50s named Tim Storm was NWA champion. Then NWA Power came along and I actually got invested in him. Fuck, I miss that show.

And yeah. Watching just a couple episodes of NWA Power should leave you more interested in Tim Storm than watching every AEW appearance by Omega.

It's almost as if making people care about you is more important than doing fifteen hundred moves and dives (and finger points).

[Vastardikai]

I'm curious to see how the Masked Wrestler thing goes. It is a different concept, and it holds my interest a bit more than most modern wrestling does for me.

[slik]

The wrestling match with the most views on YouTube is not what you'd expect


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[Evil Vito]

Raw Underground has been cancelled.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Uh, Dustin, your MAGA is showing.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">What the hell is naan? <a href="https://t.co/XFxlDFvbDB">https://t.co/XFxlDFvbDB</a></p>&mdash; Dustin Rhodes (@dustinrhodes) <a href="https://twitter.com/dustinrhodes/status/1317123748672188421?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[GD]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ok, I'm gonna have my wife make some Naan then. Sounds delicious</p>&mdash; Dustin Rhodes (@dustinrhodes) <a href="https://twitter.com/dustinrhodes/status/1317125582761676800?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


No, they don't want naan, no they don't want naan. They looking scared no they don't really want naan.

[GD]

Dustin's IMDB and Twitter bios are kinda amusing.

[Vastardikai]

Raw Underground has been cancelled.

That's a shame. If it wasn't plagued by the same shit camerawork that infests the main product, it would have been interesting and a fun way to get some ass kickers over.

[drave]

Next week: Retribution has been cancelled.

[Emperor Smeat]

Raw Underground has been cancelled.

Seems its only for the time being and not outright canned.

Makes sense since the recent coronavirus outbreak WWE had originated from their developmental division and some of those talent were also being used for RAW Underground.

[Bad News Gertner]

That's a shame. If it wasn't plagued by the same shit camerawork that infests the main product, it would have been interesting and a fun way to get some ass kickers over.

I can't even watch current WWE because of those fucking camera cuts

[Jordan]

I haven't seen a full episode of WWE since mania. Just so y'all know where I'm at. Still watching AEW but some of it sucks. I think I'd rather watch 2004 era WWE women than the AEW women, minus Britt Baker who is a gold star. I call for Kenny to get demoted to WRESTLER.

[Vastardikai]

The 3 best women's matches in AEW history featured a woman who wasn't in AEW. And one of them was with someone who thought more of herself than necessary.

Side note: can you picture Harley Race not selling for Ric Flair because "He's the Vet?"

Another side note: In a professionally run promotion, Ivellise would have been removed from television. In AEW, she got a contract.

[Seanny One Ball]

I try not to picture Harley Race.
Ever.

[Emperor Smeat]

The 3 best women's matches in AEW history featured a woman who wasn't in AEW. And one of them was with someone who thought more of herself than necessary.

Side note: can you picture Harley Race not selling for Ric Flair because "He's the Vet?"

Another side note: In a professionally run promotion, Ivellise would have been removed from television. In AEW, she got a contract.

Ivellise is pretty much a lesser version of Tessa Blanchad in regards to how quickly she gets hated backstage although her signing a deal with AEW still hasn't been confirmed yet.

They would have released a "Ivellise is All Elite" message by now like they've done with everyone else.

[Bad News Gertner]

Watched a couple indie shows lately because we get all the ppvs for free. I noticed something really annoying

What does every match have a shot for shot spot where two guys just stand in front of each other and throw punches. It's so dumb.

[Emperor Smeat]

Probably something influenced from Japan considering NJPW and other Japanese promotions do the back-and-forth chop and elbow strike spots regularly during matches as a rest break style spot.

[Bad News Gertner]

It's just so silly. Why would you just stand there and let your opponent knock the shit out of you. And EVERYBODY does it.

[Emperor Smeat]

If I had to guess, just a modern version of the classic tough man or test of strength spot to show the crowd how tough both guys are.

Like back in the day when you'd have two muscular guys grapple and each would try to push the other guy back or make their opponent drop to his knee as a show of strength.

[GD]

Over the past few months, I’ve been noticing that certain professional wrestlers are spewing misinformation about COVID-19 and related political theories. Which one stands out to you?

[Emperor Smeat]

Easily Flip Gordon.

The guy might legit be the dumbest wrestler in today's wrestling scene. Even others who work with him have recently called him out for being the dumbest person they know when it comes to his views on the coronavirus and other conspiracy related stuff.

[Bad News Gertner]

Dumber than TJ Perkins?

[Fignuts]

It’s very much tied to the culture in Japan. Specifically the whole fighting spirit thing.

The problem is that culture doesn’t exist here. Or rather, it’s just represented in a different way here. So when two Indy guys do it here, they just look kinda stupid, like Gertner said.

[Emperor Smeat]

Dumber than TJ Perkins?

By a long shot. TJP's dumbness mostly revolves around his views towards women.

Even AJ Styles dumbess when it comes to being a flat earth supporter doesn't hold a candle to Flip's general dumbness.

Chris Jericho might be close although a lot of his dumbness revolves around how he runs his podcast series and him being very open to inviting conspiracy theorists as guests for podcast clicks and views.

If you count being an active participant and not just someone who sprouts dumb stuff, then Drake Wuertz is ahead of Flip Gordon by a mile based on some of the serious stuff that's come out against him in recent months. Supposedly he's been a main spreader of conspiracy related stuff that's been going on recently within WWE. Managed to get others to join in either via donating to bogus charity groups or repeating conspiracy style messaging online.

[Fignuts]

I don’t have a problem with the late match strike exchange where both guys are exhausted and are just trading slow haymakers because they’ve already hit each other with everything else.

That at least makes sense.

[Savio]

Read the book, the DVD tells less than half his story.Is it in audio form?

[Fignuts]

Lo-Ki could give Flip a run for his money I bet.

[Volare]

I just want to blow minds....

https://scontent.ffcm1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/122034859_3706978465980870_8350871219802055825_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=xslHA65LwFsAX-n4ujd&_nc_ht=scontent.ffcm1-2.fna&oh=070c1ee0345b2a8f87c689dd7e9fd775&oe=5FB0E95A

[Ultra Mantis]

Ibushi definitely thought he was just posing with some fans there.

[Emperor Smeat]

For those that enjoy watching and/or reading up on old wrestling, Voices of Wrestling recently had an article on the early days of US wrestling going as far back as the 1890s and one of its first mega stars.

Back in the day when wrestling was mostly seen as a real sport although still had its fair share of sports media saying wrestling was fake.

https://www.voicesofwrestling.com/2020/10/14/american-wrestling-in-the-1890s/

[Bad News Gertner]

Farmer Burns!

[Bad News Gertner]

By a long shot. TJP's dumbness mostly revolves around his views towards women.

Even AJ Styles dumbess when it comes to being a flat earth supporter doesn't hold a candle to Flip's general dumbness.

Chris Jericho might be close although a lot of his dumbness revolves around how he runs his podcast series and him being very open to inviting conspiracy theorists as guests for podcast clicks and views.

If you count being an active participant and not just someone who sprouts dumb stuff, then Drake Wuertz is ahead of Flip Gordon by a mile based on some of the serious stuff that's come out against him in recent months. Supposedly he's been a main spreader of conspiracy related stuff that's been going on recently within WWE. Managed to get others to join in either via donating to bogus charity groups or repeating conspiracy style messaging online.


Austin Aries has to rank up there.

[GD]

Easily Flip Gordon.

The guy might legit be the dumbest wrestler in today's wrestling scene. Even others who work with him have recently called him out for being the dumbest person they know when it comes to his views on the coronavirus and other conspiracy related stuff.

Yeah, Flip is the obvious one. I've also noticed some troubling posts made by NXT performers such as Raquel Gonzalez. I wonder if it had any bearing on the recent outbreaks at the performance center.

[GD]

Austin Aries has to rank up there.

Agreed. IIRC he randomly talked about fluoride making kids autistic during a podcast. Also, Bo Dallas is a conspiracy nut. Unsure about his stance on the pandemic.

[Emperor Smeat]

Bo is a conspiracy wacko?

Was this recent since I don't remember any dirt against him said around the net.

[GD]

This was back in 2017 on an episode of Talk Is Jericho.

https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy5tZWdhcGhvbmUuZm0vV1dPOTc0MTAzMTQ4NQ/episode/MTc1MDUzOQ?ved=2ahUKEwini7WO3cPqAhUnazABHXE9AB0QkfYCegQIARAF

[Volare]

Yeah, Flip is the obvious one. I've also noticed some troubling posts made by NXT performers such as Raquel Gonzalez. I wonder if it had any bearing on the recent outbreaks at the performance center.

Coming from the military like Flip was (he was Army Guard, I was active Air Force) I don't blame him for believing in a lot of stuff....when you work for the Govt. there are things you are led to believe that in the end were B.S. from the start.

I guess it's all on how far down the rabbit hole you fall.

[Bad News Gertner]

Who's that guy on the Forgotten Sons that's some weirdo

[screech]

Jaxson Riker

[Emperor Smeat]

According to PWI, a very sad incident happened in Mexico last night.

A young wrestler suffered a fatal heart attack during the middle of a match.

Unlike what happened with Silver King's passing in the United Kingdom, match was quickly stopped and medical officials rushed in immediately to try to save him.

PWInsider.com is sad to report the passing of Lucha star Principe Aereo (real name Luis Ángel Salazar) at the age of 26 years old after he suffered an apparent heart attack in the ring while performing for Mexa Wrestling tonight at Arena San Juan Pantitlan in Mexico City.

Aereo collapsed after taking two chops to the chest and waiting for his opponent to rebound off the ropes for their next spot, falling to the mat. Within a minute of him collapsing, he was being strapped to a back board by EMTs and rushed to the back for medical attention. MasLucha.com reported that he was treated by the Athletic Commission Doctor and rushed to the local hospital, but sadly passed away.

Aereo had been wrestling since 2010, working in Mexico for smaller promotions including IWRG and Mexa, but did work for AAA in 2019 as well as earlier this year.

Edit: PWInsider was a bit off on his age since Lucha Blog reported that he was actually 23 years old.

[Sepholio]

RIP

[GD]

RIP

[GD]

"Concerned" about people who have to work with Strowman.

[Emperor Smeat]

Seems WWE recently ran into some legal issues regarding several trademarks for talent names they've been filing in batches these past few months.

At least 3 wrestlers haven't given their written consent needed for WWE to own their names while in the company due to their ring names being their real names.

Interesting, another denied trademark was for "Justus" which isn't the current name of anyone in WWE and has been rumored for a while to be related to Retribution. That was originally rumored to be the name of the group before they were officially revealed as Retribution.

Also WWE has been having trouble trademarking Mia Yim's name not because its her real name but due to her having past usage of the name in the indies meaning WWE needs her consent to own it while she works for them. Seeing as she's one of the people who is affected the most by WWE's recent third party services ban, makes sense why she isn't too happy to give them permission for ownership of her name.

Multiple WWE trademark filings have been denied by the United Stated Patent and Trademark Office.

The trademarks, which were all submitted on 7/30 have yet to be accepted by the USPTO due to lack of written consent from talent who perform under the filed names.

HeelByNature.com has obtained documentation revealing the following trademarks will be abandoned in six months, unless WWE provides a signed document from talent, consenting the company can use the name.

Drew Gulak
Pete Dunne
Tony Nese


https://heelbynature.com/wrestling-news/wwe-news/multiple-wwe-trademarks-denied-due-to-absence-of-written-consent-from-talent/

[Lock Jaw]

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[Rammsteinmad]

Throughout the pandemic/lockdown, my girlfriend and I have dug out all our old DVD's and been watching through them all. This includes all my wrestling ones which she loves watching and is a huge fan!

Currently just watched The Great American Bash 2004 and Hard Knocks: The Chris Benoit Story, and two random notes/observations:

Damn, Chris Benoit was so fucking good. If you can try to appreciate his work as a wrestler prior to how his life ended, he really was one of the absolute best. From his solo DVD and all the ones we watched prior, the guy was so crisp in the ring. He had an absolute intensity and believeability that nobody really has anymore. Makes me appreciate that era of technical wrestling around the turn of the century before all the flippy and comedy stuff got too out-of-hand. Nowadays it's all so choreographed and gymnastics that it takes a lot of the realism out of the competition.

Also, I always kinda wished WWE would release a DVD or something on the Network or whatever, focusing on all the guys/matches that don't warrent DVD's of their own. So many mid-card matches and stand-out performers that should be highlighted. Guys like Christian, Booker T, Jamie Knoble, Tyson Kidd, Dolph Ziggler, Carlito, Shelton Benjamin, Dean Malenko etc. Perhaps matches from Raw, Smackdown, WWECW, NXT, Main Event etc that weren't necessarily main event matches or significant in any way, other than being great matches that seemed to have been kinda forgotten about.

:y:

[slik]

Dark Side of the Ring renewed for a 14 episode third season


https://bleedingcool.com/tv/dark-side-of-the-ring-gets-expanded-14-episode-season-3-returns-2021/

[Bad News Gertner]

Oh wow, I thought Roberts,Houston, Robin and Smith were all one episode. Some really disturbing shit is gonna come out of this and I feel Roberts may be seen in a more empathetic way

[Fignuts]

Throughout the pandemic/lockdown, my girlfriend and I have dug out all our old DVD's and been watching through them all. This includes all my wrestling ones which she loves watching and is a huge fan!

Currently just watched The Great American Bash 2004 and Hard Knocks: The Chris Benoit Story, and two random notes/observations:

Damn, Chris Benoit was so fucking good. If you can try to appreciate his work as a wrestler prior to how his life ended, he really was one of the absolute best. From his solo DVD and all the ones we watched prior, the guy was so crisp in the ring. He had an absolute intensity and believeability that nobody really has anymore. Makes me appreciate that era of technical wrestling around the turn of the century before all the flippy and comedy stuff got too out-of-hand. Nowadays it's all so choreographed and gymnastics that it takes a lot of the realism out of the competition.

Also, I always kinda wished WWE would release a DVD or something on the Network or whatever, focusing on all the guys/matches that don't warrent DVD's of their own. So many mid-card matches and stand-out performers that should be highlighted. Guys like Christian, Booker T, Jamie Knoble, Tyson Kidd, Dolph Ziggler, Carlito, Shelton Benjamin, Dean Malenko etc. Perhaps matches from Raw, Smackdown, WWECW, NXT, Main Event etc that weren't necessarily main event matches or significant in any way, other than being great matches that seemed to have been kinda forgotten about.

:y:

The fact that some people thought Benoit was boring or "vanilla" is a testament to how many great personalities were in WWE at the time.

Benoit would be the equivalent of Steve fucking Austin in today's enviornment.

[Fignuts]

Oh wow, I thought Roberts,Houston, Robin and Smith were all one episode. Some really disturbing shit is gonna come out of this and I feel Roberts may be seen in a more empathetic way

Yeah, I remember from the WWE Jake DVD that his early life was really fucked up, but they only glossed over it.

[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">GIF replies only to this move ⬇️<br><br>�� <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWERaw?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWERaw</a>, 10/18/1993 <a href="https://t.co/ytQ0vJu3Xl">pic.twitter.com/ytQ0vJu3Xl</a></p>&mdash; WWE Network (@WWENetwork) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWENetwork/status/1317918488137224195?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 18, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Seanny One Ball]

Oh wow, I thought Roberts,Houston, Robin and Smith were all one episode. Some really disturbing shit is gonna come out of this and I feel Roberts may be seen in a more empathetic way


No chance are they doing four shows on the Smith/Roberts family. It's just not going to happen.

[Bad News Gertner]

Yeah I just read another article. It looks like it's Grizzly Smith and the kids

[Sixx]

Throughout the pandemic/lockdown, my girlfriend and I have dug out all our old DVD's and been watching through them all. This includes all my wrestling ones which she loves watching and is a huge fan!

Currently just watched The Great American Bash 2004 and Hard Knocks: The Chris Benoit Story, and two random notes/observations:

Damn, Chris Benoit was so fucking good. If you can try to appreciate his work as a wrestler prior to how his life ended, he really was one of the absolute best. From his solo DVD and all the ones we watched prior, the guy was so crisp in the ring. He had an absolute intensity and believeability that nobody really has anymore. Makes me appreciate that era of technical wrestling around the turn of the century before all the flippy and comedy stuff got too out-of-hand. Nowadays it's all so choreographed and gymnastics that it takes a lot of the realism out of the competition.

Also, I always kinda wished WWE would release a DVD or something on the Network or whatever, focusing on all the guys/matches that don't warrent DVD's of their own. So many mid-card matches and stand-out performers that should be highlighted. Guys like Christian, Booker T, Jamie Knoble, Tyson Kidd, Dolph Ziggler, Carlito, Shelton Benjamin, Dean Malenko etc. Perhaps matches from Raw, Smackdown, WWECW, NXT, Main Event etc that weren't necessarily main event matches or significant in any way, other than being great matches that seemed to have been kinda forgotten about.

:y:

Do you fuck after watching sweaty guys toss each other in the ring?

[Emperor Smeat]

David Bixenspan recently revealed that he helped work on the upcoming third season of Dark side of the Ring.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Now that everything's officially announced, I can finally reveal that [one of] the secret project[s] I've alluded to for months is working as a researcher on <a href="https://twitter.com/DarkSideOfRing?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DarkSideOfRing</a> season 3! It's been a blast; expect an epic season from the whopping 14 ep order. <a href="https://t.co/FDHhXecgIu">https://t.co/FDHhXecgIu</a></p>&mdash; David Bixenspan (@davidbix) <a href="https://twitter.com/davidbix/status/1318255416543989761?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Considering how great he is at uncovering the shady and dark aspect of wrestling, a bunch of these upcoming episodes very likely will be a lot more juicer in dark content than usual for the series.

Supposedly the main issues people had with Season 2 revolved around Bruce Prichard having too much influence on its direction and the producers leaning a bit too heavy on his style of storytelling for topics.

[GD]

Agreed. IIRC he randomly talked about fluoride making kids autistic during a podcast. Also, Bo Dallas is a conspiracy nut. Unsure about his stance on the pandemic.

Add Bobby Fish to the list.

[Bad News Gertner]

David Bixenspan recently revealed that he helped work on the upcoming third season of Dark side of the Ring.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Now that everything's officially announced, I can finally reveal that [one of] the secret project[s] I've alluded to for months is working as a researcher on <a href="https://twitter.com/DarkSideOfRing?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DarkSideOfRing</a> season 3! It's been a blast; expect an epic season from the whopping 14 ep order. <a href="https://t.co/FDHhXecgIu">https://t.co/FDHhXecgIu</a></p>&mdash; David Bixenspan (@davidbix) <a href="https://twitter.com/davidbix/status/1318255416543989761?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Considering how great he is at uncovering the shady and dark aspect of wrestling, a bunch of these upcoming episodes very likely will be a lot more juicer in dark content than usual for the series.

Supposedly the main issues people had with Season 2 revolved around Bruce Prichard having too much influence on its direction and the producers leaning a bit too heavy on his style of storytelling for topics.

Bix is the best when it comes to this investigative reporting. The stuff he's uncovered on the Between the Sheets Patreon shows has been amazing. Stuff like all the Nevada State Athletic commission stuff regarding Herb Abrams UWF and the Blackjack Brawl. He's so good at this stuff.

[slik]

https://i.redd.it/x3hr4wvnd5u51.jpg

[Fignuts]

This guy just started posting videos of classic AJPW. Most of them are from the 70's and feature guys like The Destroyer and Jack Brisco. Destroyer was so fucking good.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrc-hzk8VbKxC7U9yhzABRQ

[Bad News Gertner]

Just heard that another wrestler being rumored for DSOTR


Nick Fucking Gage

[Bad News Gertner]

And that is amazing Fignuts. YouTube has come alive again for wrestling footage.

[Volare]

Weather sucks in Minnesota...need something nicer to look at.


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[Droford]

David Bixenspan recently revealed that he helped work on the upcoming third season of Dark side of the Ring.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Now that everything's officially announced, I can finally reveal that [one of] the secret project[s] I've alluded to for months is working as a researcher on <a href="https://twitter.com/DarkSideOfRing?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DarkSideOfRing</a> season 3! It's been a blast; expect an epic season from the whopping 14 ep order. <a href="https://t.co/FDHhXecgIu">https://t.co/FDHhXecgIu</a></p>&mdash; David Bixenspan (@davidbix) <a href="https://twitter.com/davidbix/status/1318255416543989761?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Considering how great he is at uncovering the shady and dark aspect of wrestling, a bunch of these upcoming episodes very likely will be a lot more juicer in dark content than usual for the series.

Supposedly the main issues people had with Season 2 revolved around Bruce Prichard having too much influence on its direction and the producers leaning a bit too heavy on his style of storytelling for topics.

I dont think there's enough quality stories to be told thst they could do 14 episodes and like half of them be boring.

[Bad News Gertner]

There's so much shady shit that even posters like us who are in the "Smark" crowd have no idea about.

They GOTTA do one on Chris Adams.

[Bad News Gertner]

You could have :

1. Pillman
2. Collision in Korea
3. Grizzly Smith and his kids
4. Nick Gage
5. Chris Adams
6. Rob Black and the XWF
7. Steroid Trial
8. Ring Boys Scandal
9. Eddie Guererro
10. Sunny
11. Sabu
12. 2004 Diva Search (Just to have a light topic)
13. Scott Hall
14. Rikidozan



That would be an amazing season

[Lock Jaw]

There's so much shady shit that even posters like us who are in the "Smark" crowd have no idea about.

They GOTTA do one on Chris Adams.

lol I was gonna say something like "even the boring episodes would be interesting to dudes like Gertner!"

[ClockShot]

Weather sucks in Minnesota...need something nicer to look at.


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Looks like she's on a driving range with those signs in the background.

[Volare]

I'd drive that range....

[Bad News Gertner]

Anyone listen to Tommy Dreamer's podcast before?

[Emperor Smeat]

Apparently WWE is currently under investigation by Orange County officials regarding their venues being hotspots for the coronavirus in Florida.

Its part of a larger investigation targeting 17 businesses that government officials feel have been responsible for keeping the spread of the coronavirus on-going in the county.

WFTV9 is reporting that The Orange County Department of Health is asking their COVID-19 strike team to investigate 17 businesses where COVID-19 may be spreading. The WWE Performance Center, Full Sail University, and the Amway Arena, all places WWE are currently holding events, are on the list ...

There reportedly has been at least two COVID-19 outbreaks in WWE since moving all of their tapings to Florida, one in June and another in September. In the case of the latter, matches for Clash of the Champions had to be changed as a result, including the Women's Tag Team title match between Shayna Baszler and Nia Jax vs. The Riott Squad and Bayley vs. Nikki Cross.

[slik]

I always wonder if Japanese speaking wrestling fans complain online about NJPW the way English speaking wrestling fans complain about WWE.

[Emperor Smeat]

Probably not anywhere near the same degree mainly because NJPW isn't being run into the ground by an old and increasingly out of tough guy nor having somewhat destructive plans for wrestling like his potential successor has.

NJPW's biggest criticisms in recent years pretty much revolved around how they've handled Naito over the years including his Double Champ reign and the big backlash they got from their female fanbase over the idea to include women's wrestling on their shows.

[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Update from Facebook: <a href="https://twitter.com/JimValley?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@JimValley</a> is social media-ing. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TeamValley?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#TeamValley</a> <a href="https://t.co/D5VflRlsZn">pic.twitter.com/D5VflRlsZn</a></p>&mdash; Scott Fishman (@smFISHMAN) <a href="https://twitter.com/smFISHMAN/status/1318723979968978944?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 21, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Bad News Gertner]

That's fantastic! I saw a post from his wife a few days ago that appeared to show Jim was on the mend.

[Emperor Smeat]

WWE recently revealed how bad their recent coronavirus outbreaks were as part of their response to Orange County officials investigating them as a potential hotspot of the coronavirus in the county.

According to the Observer's Bryan Alvarez, the 1.5% positive cases given by WWE ends up being around 150 wrestlers and staff who tested positive for the coronavirus since WWE started holding tapings at their Performance Center and Full Sail. That number is a lot higher than was originally assumed for WWE's outbreaks.

Alvarez also stated that WWE's number doesn't include family members that contracted the virus from infected wrestlers and staff which would skew the numbers even higher against the company.

[GD]

Jesus Christ :nono:

[XL]

Guess they’re going for herd immunity?

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Fucking despicable.

[Gerard]

WWE recently revealed how bad their recent coronavirus outbreaks were as part of their response to Orange County officials investigating them as a potential hotspot of the coronavirus in the county.

According to the Observer's Bryan Alvarez, the 1.5% positive cases given by WWE ends up being around 150 wrestlers and staff who tested positive for the coronavirus since WWE started holding tapings at their Performance Center and Full Sail. That number is a lot higher than was originally assumed for WWE's outbreaks.

Alvarez also stated that WWE's number doesn't include family members that contracted the virus from infected wrestlers and staff which would skew the numbers even higher against the company.

Just as long as Vince gets his sub par tv show out he couldn't give a shit. :roll:

Surprised there isn't some way to shut them down totally for a few weeks.

[Gerard]

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[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/BqGxJkrCzC">pic.twitter.com/BqGxJkrCzC</a></p>&mdash; mongo and friends (@ThatsOurMongo) <a href="https://twitter.com/ThatsOurMongo/status/1319129128373833734?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 22, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Bad News Gertner]

Lol when the hell did that take place

[Emperor Smeat]

From an episode of WCW Thunder in 2000.

Things were really bleak on the next episode of Thunder. No one was interested in Norman and Ralphus’s Lawn Care Service or Ralphus’s Babysitting Service. Norman then saw a sign that announced that wrestling was today in a backyard and kids were running for it. Norman had an idea.

Two kids were fighting in the back when they arrived. Norman asked if everyone knew who he was. Of course. Booker T. An unperturbed Norman continued by explaining that backyard wrestling was dangerous and offered to teach the kids to wrestle. Norman found the 130 pound champion and got into the makeshift ring with him. Norman demonstrated a half nelson – then rolled the kid up! Ralphus counted the pin, and Norman was the champion! Unfortunately, they couldn’t celebrate for long. Those kids were chasing them.

That was the end of the angle. No payoff, no nothing. It just stopped. Maybe Norman and Ralphus went on welfare.
https://insidepulse.com/2005/04/27/36893/

[Bad News Gertner]

Lol of course it happened in 2000 WCW

[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Now that's been out a while, who's had a chance to see this? ���� DDP <a href="https://t.co/ZGU8ZHRJaH">pic.twitter.com/ZGU8ZHRJaH</a></p>&mdash; Diamond Dallas Page (@RealDDP) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealDDP/status/1319451725627944960?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 23, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Bad News Gertner]

I totally forgot about that. Gonna watch it this weekend.

[GD]

"Every time HBK dropped a title without putting someone over"

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[Emperor Smeat]

Bret Hart, accompanied to the ring by a cat?

It could have happened.

"The Hitman" has been outspoken about his WCW run not living up to expecations. Specifically, Hart told Fightful in a recent interview that not having creative direction in storylines or promos was a detriment to him. He recalled one instance where he just talked about something that entertained him, and it happened to impress WCW brass.

"I had nothing to talk about. I’m going out and I’m ranting about WCW fans, they have no respect," I’m sitting there going, ‘What else do I got to say? I don’t have anything to say. I don’t know who I’m fighting or where I’m going, what I’m doing.’ I remember I got really frustrated, I went out and talked about my cat. I talked about my cat was my only fan, Smokey the cat. My cat was named Smokey. But, I remember it was the stupidest interview ‘cause I had nothing to talk about. It was almost sarcastic to make it clear to Bischoff in the back, ‘I don’t have anything to talk about.’ The best I can come up with is my cat. I just remember when I came back to the dressing room, Eric Bischoff goes, ‘I loved the part about the cat.’ He goes, ‘I loved it.’ I remember scratching my head and thinking, ‘For the money these guys are paying me, they’ve sure got some stupid people here.’"

It went a lot further than a promo about a cat. Hart pitched a full on storyline ang angle with the cat. No word on if it was going to be Smokey, but he went the extra mile just to see if it was something WCW would actually to.

"I actually remember giving him an idea about the cat, putting the cat carrier and having the cat in my corner all the time. He said he loved it. It never went anywhere, like everything in WCW. Yeah. I actually had an idea where the cat, I’d have a real cat all the time in my corner, and then for one of the matches I would put a stuffed toy cat in my cat carrier and I would have a zipper on it. I would stick the insides of the cat with a brick and then when I was in peril in the match I would reach in, say, a boston crab or something like that, or some kind of a hold where I’m in jeopardy. I would open my cage door, reach through, grab the cat by the tail, swing it and hit the wrestler over the head with the brick and win the match with a stuffed cat with a brick. But, I remember it was almost like a rib to see if they would just do it. Actually, to be honest, it would have been better than anything they did have me do at that time. Anyway, that never came to fruition. Sometimes you gotta just make up stuff on the go all the time," Hart told Fightful.

It didn't happen. Such is life.

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[Emperor Smeat]

Seems Marty Scurll might be gone from Ring of Honor.

ROH recently removed him from their roster page and he wasn't brought back for their recent set of tapings. Same for him not being brought back to ROH Creative since being among those accused during this past summer's tidal wave of sexual abuse and harassment allegations within the wrestling industry.

Marty Scurll and Dan Maff have been removed from the Ring of Honor website's roster page. Neither have been at any of the recent ROH TV tapings in Maryland and in the case of Scurll, he has not been involved in a creative capacity for months. There is no official update on their status with the company at this time.

[fundiddle]

funny how much the indie scene has changed in terms of who's hot and who's not in the last four years or so. PWG's Battle of Los Angeles from 2016 was the pinnacle of popularity for that company, it featured many guys that have since gone on to greater things or returned to WWE - Tomasso Ciampa, Ricochet, Tommy End, Kyle O'Reilly, Bobby Fish, Adam Cole, John Morrison, Trevor Lee, Brian Kendrick, Matt Riddle, Pete Dunne, Mark Andrews, Chris Hero (who was later terminated again). Cody Rhodes and the Bucks went on to form AEW (and took the Lucha Bros with them), guys like Zach Sabre Jr. and Will Ospreay still doing their thing, Jeff Cobb and Marty Scurll (Scurll WON that weekend tournament) found further success in ROH in the years to follow.


It's interesting to consider where all those dudes were in their careers at that time, the opportunities that they got and the paths they've chose, how it's lead to further success and popularity, how it may have allowed them to get lost in the shuffle of things, or how simply they couldn't maintain appeal for whatever reason/s. Also interesting to me is how instrumental many of those mentioned were in giving New Japan a way to break into the US and how that has floundered as well.

[Emperor Smeat]

Lucha Libre AAA held their TripleMania press conference today and the two biggest stuff coming out of it was them signing a sponsorship deal with Marvel and Kenny Omega defending his AAA Mega title against Laredo Kid at the show.

In other stuff, apparently Danny Burch ended up outing himself as one of the COVID truthers in NXT's locker room and Road Dogg got into a another dumb online argument but this time with Hurricane over the view that wearing masks prevents the spread of the coronavirus. Could easily guess which side Hurricane was on.

[Bad News Gertner]

Tommy Dreamer's podcast is really good. Definitely check it out.

[Bad News Gertner]

Lucha Libre AAA held their TripleMania press conference today and the two biggest stuff coming out of it was them signing a sponsorship deal with Marvel and Kenny Omega defending his AAA Mega title against Laredo Kid at the show.

In other stuff, apparently Danny Burch ended up outing himself as one of the COVID truthers in NXT's locker room and Rodd Dogg got into a another dumb online argument but this time with Hurricane over the view that wearing masks prevents the spread of the coronavirus. Could easily guess which side Hurricane was on.


Hurricane is the best.

[Emperor Smeat]

Rather have him and not Triple H's merry band of fools in charge of NXT considering some of the bad stuff that's come out in recent times regarding their handling of it.

At this point, strongly feel a Triple H & Steph regime over WWE once Vince leaves is going to be neither a net positive nor a net negative. Whatever areas they will improve will just get offset in other areas where Triple H & co. have been just as bad or worse than Vince & co.

[Bad News Gertner]

Tommy Dreamer's podcast is really good. Definitely check it out.

Just finished the episode dedicated to Howard Finkel as Dreamer used to work in the office with Fink. Great stories, but really sad. Finkel was living in assisted living towards the end and had a brain disease where his brain was shrinking faster than normal. Dreamer said the WWE kept him on the payroll and paid for everything.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Never forget Retribution was hastily thrown on TV along with Raw Underground after investors peppered Vince McMahon with questions about new talent, fresh ideas, creative and declining viewership on a quarterly call.<br><br>There's another quarterly call this week!</p>&mdash; Sean Ross Sapp of Fightful.com (@SeanRossSapp) <a href="https://twitter.com/SeanRossSapp/status/1320906323790278656?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I tried to teach <a href="https://twitter.com/thunderrosa22?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@thunderrosa22</a> realistic MMA for professional wrestling and it did not go well. <a href="https://t.co/kfdLTupN5r">https://t.co/kfdLTupN5r</a> <a href="https://t.co/77XkZBQb1B">pic.twitter.com/77XkZBQb1B</a></p>&mdash; Jamie Kilstein (@jamiekilstein) <a href="https://twitter.com/jamiekilstein/status/1321097874818695169?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Gerard]

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[Vastardikai]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I tried to teach <a href="https://twitter.com/thunderrosa22?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@thunderrosa22</a> realistic MMA for professional wrestling and it did not go well. <a href="https://t.co/kfdLTupN5r">https://t.co/kfdLTupN5r</a> <a href="https://t.co/77XkZBQb1B">pic.twitter.com/77XkZBQb1B</a></p>&mdash; Jamie Kilstein (@jamiekilstein) <a href="https://twitter.com/jamiekilstein/status/1321097874818695169?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

My Queen. :love:

[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TalkNShopAMania2?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#TalkNShopAMania2</a> First look! <a href="https://t.co/Fv4XH9eQTz">pic.twitter.com/Fv4XH9eQTz</a></p>&mdash; “The Big LG” Doc Gallows (@The_BigLG) <a href="https://twitter.com/The_BigLG/status/1320889714401038336?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The first Talk’N Shop A Mania show was pretty fun to watch. Quality-wise it was basically a train wreck but in an entertaining and comedic self-awareness way.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Apparently, Road Dogg quit Twitter. What a jagoff.

[slik]

https://www.tpwwforums.com/customavatars/thumbs/avatar1_1.gif Hey its me Triple A and I think you are all little bitches

[slik]

Wow, harsh words!!

[slik]

Impact angle is a shoot, literally

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/JohnEBravo1st?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@JohnEBravo1st</a> was just SHOT! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IMPACTonAXSTV?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#IMPACTonAXSTV</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/WeAreRosemary?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WeAreRosemary</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/TheTayaValkyrie?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheTayaValkyrie</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/THETOMMYDREAMER?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@THETOMMYDREAMER</a> <a href="https://t.co/hfiBm3sUg4">pic.twitter.com/hfiBm3sUg4</a></p>&mdash; IMPACT (@IMPACTWRESTLING) <a href="https://twitter.com/IMPACTWRESTLING/status/1321270462802919424?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 28, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Vastardikai]

Interesting things going on in NWA land. Last week, the Pope took the TV Title off of Zicky Dice, who was looking to leave. And this week?

Serena Deeb defeated Thunder Rosa for the Women's Title.

[Emperor Smeat]

Impact angle is a shoot, literally

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/JohnEBravo1st?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@JohnEBravo1st</a> was just SHOT! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IMPACTonAXSTV?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#IMPACTonAXSTV</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/WeAreRosemary?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WeAreRosemary</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/TheTayaValkyrie?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheTayaValkyrie</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/THETOMMYDREAMER?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@THETOMMYDREAMER</a> <a href="https://t.co/hfiBm3sUg4">pic.twitter.com/hfiBm3sUg4</a></p>&mdash; IMPACT (@IMPACTWRESTLING) <a href="https://twitter.com/IMPACTWRESTLING/status/1321270462802919424?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 28, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

So that makes it two days in a row a wrestling show had someone killed.

First WWE's RAW with rambling rabbit and now Impact with Johnny Bravo.

All that's needed is for NXT and/or AEW to do the same tomorrow to keep this murder week streak going.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Interesting things going on in NWA land. Last week, the Pope took the TV Title off of Zicky Dice, who was looking to leave. And this week?

Serena Deeb defeated Thunder Rosa for the Women's Title.

Just saw this on Twitter, and I have to say I'm very excited to see what the women's match as Full Gear is.

[Bad News Gertner]

Impact angle is a shoot, literally

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/JohnEBravo1st?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@JohnEBravo1st</a> was just SHOT! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IMPACTonAXSTV?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#IMPACTonAXSTV</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/WeAreRosemary?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WeAreRosemary</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/TheTayaValkyrie?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheTayaValkyrie</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/THETOMMYDREAMER?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@THETOMMYDREAMER</a> <a href="https://t.co/hfiBm3sUg4">pic.twitter.com/hfiBm3sUg4</a></p>&mdash; IMPACT (@IMPACTWRESTLING) <a href="https://twitter.com/IMPACTWRESTLING/status/1321270462802919424?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 28, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Lol dude this is so brilliant

[Volare]

Since when is murder PG?

[Lock Jaw]

https://www.tpwwforums.com/customavatars/thumbs/avatar1_1.gif Hey its me Triple A and I think you are all little bitches

Fake news

Triple A would write "l'il"

[Emperor Smeat]

Holy shit, WWE got hit with another outbreak at their Performance Center.

Need to double check but think they are legit averaging an outbreak per month at that place since June.

There was another COVID-19 breakout of sorts at the WWE Performance Center in Orlando, Florida.

Details are not known other than it happened on Friday and people who were there, whether they tested positive or negative, were asked to quarantine for two weeks due to contact tracing.

There have been reports that it includes people scheduled for NXT's Halloween Havoc show Wednesday and that aspects of the show are going to have to be changed.

One source in WWE said nobody that is an NXT television regular has tested positive.

WWE has not responded to comment at the time.

As of now, there were still schedule to be 100 fans at the tapings. Fans were scheduled to be drug tested in Winter Park, FL, Tuesday night and if they passed, they would be allowed to attend the tapings which is the normal weekly procedure.

Also Bronson Reed not happy at all with what's been going down at the PC.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If I've learnt anything from this pandemic it's that a lot of people are real selfish PIECES OF TRASH.</p>&mdash; Bronson Reed (@bronsonreedwwe) <a href="https://twitter.com/bronsonreedwwe/status/1321257034298306561?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 28, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Emperor Smeat]

That also explains the recent rumors of why NXT wasn't involved in this year's Survivor Series brand warfare stuff since WWE was already very wary of having developmental and NXT talent mingle with main roster talent before this newest outbreak.

Whatever remaining trust NXT and developmental had with WWE over coronavirus handling is likely all gone now.

[Fignuts]

Meiko Satomura headed to NXT UK as both a coach and an on air talent.

I haven't seen any of her matches in the last couple years, but last I was following her, it was easy to make a case for her being the best female wrestler in the world.

So that's a signifigant get.

[RP]

Impact angle is a shoot, literally

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/JohnEBravo1st?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@JohnEBravo1st</a> was just SHOT! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IMPACTonAXSTV?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#IMPACTonAXSTV</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/WeAreRosemary?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WeAreRosemary</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/TheTayaValkyrie?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheTayaValkyrie</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/THETOMMYDREAMER?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@THETOMMYDREAMER</a> <a href="https://t.co/hfiBm3sUg4">pic.twitter.com/hfiBm3sUg4</a></p>&mdash; IMPACT (@IMPACTWRESTLING) <a href="https://twitter.com/IMPACTWRESTLING/status/1321270462802919424?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 28, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

:|

Do they even wrestle anymore on IMPACT?

[Droford]

You could have :

1. Pillman
2. Collision in Korea
3. Grizzly Smith and his kids
4. Nick Gage
5. Chris Adams
6. Rob Black and the XWF
7. Steroid Trial
8. Ring Boys Scandal
9. Eddie Guererro
10. Sunny
11. Sabu
12. 2004 Diva Search (Just to have a light topic)
13. Scott Hall
14. Rikidozan



That would be an amazing season

I saw that most of those are actuslly going to happen.
I cant say I know a lot about Grizzly Smith so I wouldn't mind that episode.

The WCW in Korea thing, its an interesting story but I dont think it's Dark side of the ring material.

Steroid Trial is blatantly obvious.

Pilman Adams Sunny and Eddie would be a given.

I'd say a Rick Rude ep on his later carer til he died would be good too. Kurt Angle in TNA with his wife if they could cover TNA. Jake Roberts would probably be a 2 episode deal since I'd at least cover his last few years/comeback even though that part is covered.

ICO PRO/ WBF also would be interesting story but not really dark side material

[Droford]

Just saw this on Twitter, and I have to say I'm very excited to see what the women's match as Full Gear is.

i saw that its more likely Thunder Rosa is headed to WWE

[RP]

Grizzly Smith is just misunderstood.

[Jordan]

Impact angle is a shoot, literally

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/JohnEBravo1st?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@JohnEBravo1st</a> was just SHOT! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IMPACTonAXSTV?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#IMPACTonAXSTV</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/WeAreRosemary?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WeAreRosemary</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/TheTayaValkyrie?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheTayaValkyrie</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/THETOMMYDREAMER?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@THETOMMYDREAMER</a> <a href="https://t.co/hfiBm3sUg4">pic.twitter.com/hfiBm3sUg4</a></p>&mdash; IMPACT (@IMPACTWRESTLING) <a href="https://twitter.com/IMPACTWRESTLING/status/1321270462802919424?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 28, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Oh man this is great :lol:

[Jordan]

I think Dark Side needs to do an epsiode on Chyna.

[Bad News Gertner]

Totally forgot about her

[Big Vic]

Which proves that Miss Elizabeth is more popular than her.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Liz was the best.

[erickman]

i am wondering if aew did not loss another woman wrestler in thunder rosa

[Droford]

i am wondering if aew did not loss another woman wrestler in thunder rosa

The AEW women's division is a joke

[Volare]

Not a joke.....


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[XL]

Bargain Bin Lita.

[Fignuts]

How exactly?

[XL]

You don’t see a mild similarity in their look?

[Fignuts]

I see mild similarity in lita’s look and every woman who wears a tank top and pants, because her entire look is a tank top and pants.

[XL]

It’s not just the attire. There’s a bit in the hair/face.

[Volare]

I'd post more to debate but I'm at work.

[Vastardikai]

i am wondering if aew did not loss another woman wrestler in thunder rosa

That just HAD to keep Ivillese (sp? that one unprofessional lady Rosa wrestled.) who allegedly chose to no sell because "She's the Vet." I'm just picturing Harley Race no selling for Flair using that logic. Or Flair no selling for Sting. Or Haku no selling for Goldberg.

[Emperor Smeat]

WWE released a teaser video of their Halloween Havoc set for tonight's NXT show and its a step up from their half-assed Great American Bash set.

Loses some points for lack of an actual giant pumpkin prop like WCW used to have for their Halloween Havoc PPVs.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">EXCLUSIVE: Here’s your FIRST look at the set for <a href="https://twitter.com/WWENXT?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WWENXT</a>'s <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/HalloweenHavoc?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#HalloweenHavoc</a>! 🎃👻<br><br>📺: 8/7c on <a href="https://twitter.com/USA_Network?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@USA_Network</a> <a href="https://t.co/fa5otjU0oA">pic.twitter.com/fa5otjU0oA</a></p>&mdash; WWE on FOX (@WWEonFOX) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWEonFOX/status/1321572869659394051?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 28, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Vastardikai]

They at least have the chair of torture in the set, but their needed to be a Chamber of Horrors match.

[Lock Jaw]

Video doesn't work for me, but no giant shaking pumpkin what is the point

[Emperor Smeat]

Video doesn't work for me, but no giant shaking pumpkin what is the point

Basically they showed off a lot of smoke and a bunch of tombstones and cobwebs around the stage and ringside. Like just a stereotypical Halloween theme you'd see in tv shows and films.

Its a step up from how lazy they did the Great American Bash set but also feels sterile compared to the classic WCW Halloween Havoc sets. Part of the reason is due to the redesigned Capitol Wrestling Center arena is too small for a proper or elaborate wrestling set.

[Emperor Smeat]

Also seems Shotzi is going to be acting like a cheesy B movie horror style character for the show going by a recent interview she had where she mentioned Elvira as the inspiration for her involvement tonight.

[rez]

i am wondering if aew did not loss another woman wrestler in thunder rosa

I'm gonna be super pissed if they burned bridges with her...

[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I believe we can rule out Maggie Simpson at least.</p>&mdash; IMPACT (@IMPACTWRESTLING) <a href="https://twitter.com/IMPACTWRESTLING/status/1321272825949421568?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 28, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Bargain Bin Lita.

What an absolutely horrific, uneducated take.

[Bad News Gertner]

I agree with XL

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I have a feature up at <a href="https://twitter.com/businessinsider?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@businessinsider</a> investigating the WWE &quot;ring boys&quot; sexual abuse scandal, incl. many previously unreported details/links to previously unpublished docs. And it dives deeply into Vince McMahon's admissions that he suspected the abuse. <a href="https://t.co/rtS7nOotwf">https://t.co/rtS7nOotwf</a></p>&mdash; David Bixenspan (@davidbix) <a href="https://twitter.com/davidbix/status/1321866315527786496?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">From some early reactions (plus it being in a subhead), it seems like &quot;Mel Phillips stomping on a teen boy's foot &amp; then massaging it for several minutes while muttering that he shouldn't have addressed the Honky Tonk Man by his real name&quot; is a thing that jumps out at people.</p>&mdash; David Bixenspan (@davidbix) <a href="https://twitter.com/davidbix/status/1321874010104340481?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Bad News Gertner]

Bix is the greatest. Can't wait to read.

[Bad News Gertner]

Faaaaaaack it has a pay wall

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I agree with XL

You should agree with my fist to your face.

[drave]

Faaaaaaack it has a pay wall




gotchu fam. nerd going to work....

[drave]

Faaaaaaack it has a pay wall








Linda McMahon, the former Trump administration official who now runs President Donald Trump's biggest super PAC, presided over a child-sexual-abuse scandal in the 1990s, an Insider investigation has found.
In 1992, WWE, the wrestling behemoth that McMahon cofounded with her husband, Vince, faced allegations that a ring announcer sexually abused the teen boys who helped him set up for matches.
Several boys said the announcer, Mel Phillips, repeatedly rubbed their feet against his crotch in incidents going back to 1986.
Vince McMahon told a reporter that both he and Linda McMahon suspected Phillips of taking a "peculiar and unnatural" interest in children for years before they finally fired him, according to testimony in court records.
An attorney for WWE told Insider that the accusations against Phillips were about a "foot fetish" and did not include "anything approximating conventional forms of sexual abuse such as rape, sodomy, etc." He described claims that the McMahons knew about the accusations while continuing to work with Phillips as "outlandish" and "classic libel."
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As President Donald Trump's presidential campaign lurches toward the finish line, many of his supporters have seized on an increasingly deranged and unsupported set of accusations and tropes that paint Joe Biden and the Democratic Party as tolerant of sex predators who prey on children. The line of attack, which is consistent with and inspired by the QAnon conspiracy theory, has reached the highest levels of the Trump campaign (https://www.businessinsider.com/how-qanon-infiltrated-the-gop-2020-10), with the candidate himself amplifying and endorsing the "#pedobiden" hashtag (https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-pushed-qanon-conspiracy-retweeting-hashtag-pedobiden-2020-9) to his over 87 million followers on Twitter.
But as Trump's supporters work to inject accusations of pedophilia into mainstream political discourse, an Insider investigation has unearthed long-buried details about a key player in Trump's reelection effort, and accusations that she presided over a shocking sexual-abuse scandal in which multiple individuals accused a long-time wrestling ring announcer of gratifying himself sexually with their feet when they were children.
The key player is Linda McMahon, who served in Trump's Cabinet as head of the Small Business Administration before stepping down to chair America First Action, a key pro-Trump super PAC. In the 2020 election cycle (https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.php?strID=C00637512&cycle=2020) so far, America First Action has raised $128 million and spent $107 million on Trump's behalf. Before she took on a leadership role in Trumpworld, McMahon ran the entertainment behemoth World Wrestling Entertainment — formerly known as Titan Sports and the World Wrestling Federation — with her husband, Vince McMahon. Where Vince is known for his charismatic presence and bombastic, eccentric personality, Linda is the dry, "serious" businesswoman who often served as the sober foil to his outlandish theatrics.
The accused child molester was Mel Phillips, a ring announcer who also worked behind the scenes running the crew that put the wrestling ring itself together. His public downfall was chronicled in the tabloid press in the 1990s. But less well-known are the lengths to which the McMahons went to co-opt the young wrestling fans who accused Phillips — and at least one high-ranking WWE official — of sexual abuse, and the cavalier attitude the McMahons took toward accusations that their workers used wrestling to lure, groom, and sexually abuse young boys. A review of hundreds of pages of court records, Freedom of Information Act requests, and more than half a dozen interviews indicates that while the McMahons publicly expressed shock and concern over the abuse allegations, they actually tolerated them for years. Once the scandal broke, they paid off one of Phillips' accusers in an apparent effort to bring him into the fold, only to fire him and withdraw support after the glare of the spotlights had faded.
In a statement, a spokesperson for America First Action did not address claims that Linda McMahon ignored the allegations against Phillips, saying only, "America First Action nor Linda McMahon have any idea what you are talking about regarding child sexual abuse claims being made against the Democratic party by President Trump, the Trump campaign or by our organization. America First Action and Linda has not done any such thing."
In a statement, WWE attorney Jerry McDevitt said "the only persons implicated were not senior officials, nor were there any claims of anything approximating conventional forms of sexual abuse such as rape, sodomy, etc. Instead, [a young former WWE employee] claimed Mel Phillips had a foot fetish and played with his feet." He also described allegations that the McMahons were aware of the accusations against Phillips while continuing to pay him as a ring announcer as "outlandish" and "classic libel."






'There was not a damn thing we could do about it'

Wrestling fans know that WWE has many dark stories in its past — the best known being the death of Owen Hart in an in-ring accident, the steroid scandal that begat the federal conspiracy trial (and acquittal) of Vince McMahon in 1994, and the Chris Benoit murder-suicide. All became national news to varying degrees.
The spate of sexual-harassment and sexual-abuse allegations against the company that became public in 1992, though, is a different matter, and was covered mainly by tabloid television and talk shows like "Donahue (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPTCRnBEUJM)" and "A Current Affair (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiqaLBokta0)"; New York City's tabloid newspapers; and the insider wrestling newsletter and radio show scene. After Trump nominated Linda McMahon to run the Small Business Administration, "WWE's alleged culture of sexual abuse" was well-known enough to be marked down as a potential "red flag" in the Trump transition team's vetting file on McMahon, according to a copy (https://graphics.axios.com/docs/white-house-vetting-docs/Linda%20McMahon%20Backgrounder.pdf) leaked to Axios (https://www.axios.com/leaked-donald-trump-vetting-docs-hbo-6ce3cd26-1eb9-4da8-b15e-47b56020aef7.html) in 2019. But it never came up at her confirmation hearing, and McMahon faced no questions from her opponents about the allegations during her two failed Senate campaigns in Connecticut.
A variety of claims of sexual harassment and misconduct were aired against WWE figures during the early 1990s. But arguably the most serious, with the most accusers, revolved around the charge that Phillips, who joined what would become WWE in the mid-'70s and worked as both a ring crew supervisor and a ring announcer, sexually abused the young boys he worked with — and that Vince and Linda McMahon suspected it. Phillips' access to young wrestling fans depended on a quirk in wrestling culture born in the business' more regionalized days, in which "ring boys" — some as young as 13 — were recruited as gophers, primarily to help set up the rings for matches. Recruiting and managing them was one of Phillips' jobs.
Phillips died in 2012. He had retreated so far from public life in the 20 years after the scandal — his name only came up on forums like Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/udw6o/common_misnomer_the_origins_of_the_wwf_hardcore/) after memorabilia from a storage unit he defaulted on made it to eBay — that his passing was not reported anywhere, including local newspapers and the wrestling media. It was a quiet end for a man who had previously been one of the voices of the world's biggest wrestling company, and had also been publicly accused of enticing boys from broken homes with access to their favorite wrestlers, only to suggest they play a "game" that involved rubbing their feet on his crotch.
"It was a crazy time in the company," said one former high-level employee, who requested anonymity because he still works in the wrestling business but whose identity is known to Insider. "The boys that the company hired to put up the ring and so forth, were being … had by some of the folks who were in the wrestling ops side of things. And it was just generally known, by everybody, that it was going on."
"It was a mess. It was an absolute mess," he continued, his voice breaking a bit. The McMahons, the source suspected, "clearly knew what was going on, but really did nothing to stop it…. There was not a damn thing we could do about it."




'You shouldn't have called Honky Tonk Man his real name'

The scandal first broke in 1992 when two accusers, a pair of ring boys from New York state named Tom Cole and Chris Loss, went public to The San Diego Union-Tribune. The details of their accusations, which were later expanded on in a draft complaint (https://beta.documentcloud.org/documents/3759217-Tom-Cole-Unfiled-1992-Complaint.html) that Cole's lawyer prepared in 1992 but never filed, were shocking: "A WWF employee" — later revealed to be Phillips — "would film Cole with a video camera while fondling the boy's feet and masturbating." (Cole would later acknowledge in a deposition that he never saw Phillips masturbating per se; rather, as his own draft complaint put it, Phillips "would frequently caress plaintiff's feet and would rub them against [Phillips'] own genital area." Other ring boys described similar behavior.) Cole also told the paper that Phillips "had a foot fetish" and "would play with all the young boys' feet for hours at a time."
"Boys are getting propositioned and played with all the time," Loss told the paper, adding, "you sort of put up with it because you can make a lot of money."
Loss and Cole first started doing odd jobs for the WWE when they were 16 and 15 years old, respectively. They were, like many young wrestling fans, just kids looking for a way into the wrestling business.
According to the transcript of an interview with Loss conducted in 1992 by Cole's attorney, Loss said he first met Phillips in June 1989. Loss had attended the taping of the "Wrestling Challenge" TV show in Niagara Falls, New York; he recognized Phillips from his role announcing the matches and asked for an autograph. Phillips enlisted Loss' help in tracking down a graduation cap to use as a prop in the event.
As they were talking, Loss saw a wrestler walk by and shouted out the performer's real name, as opposed to his ring avatar — a smart-aleck move in the wrestling world. Phillips, Loss said, chastised him by stepping on his toe "really hard." According to the transcript, when Loss later complained that his foot hurt from the stomping, Phillips replied, "Well, let me see it for a second."
"Before I knew it," Loss told Cole's attorney, "he grabbed my foot and just ripped off my shoe and he was, like, playing with my foot … things were going through my head. Me and [my] friend were looking at each other in total shock, like is this guy gonna kill us or something? I mean, I'm sure that's extreme, but you hear stories about people." After several minutes, Loss said, he told Phillips to stop. "He kept on saying in this real weird voice, 'You shouldn't have called Honky Tonk Man his real name. You should show them more respect.' He was just rambling on like that. He's saying 'Are you sorry Chris?'"
Phillips eventually recruited Loss to be a ring boy, hiring him as a day laborer in October 1989. A former friend of Phillips who requested anonymity out of concern for the privacy of the victims, but whose identity is known to Insider, also said that he witnessed similar behavior on two separate occasions. When teenagers asked Phillips whether wrestling was fake, the friend said, Phillips would respond by asking them to take their shoes off so he could wrench their toes while asking "Does this feel fake?" The friend added that Phillips videotaped one of the two incidents and later played it for their mutual friends.
A friend of Loss' who accompanied him on some wrestling trips also sat for an interview with Cole's lawyer, saying that the boys sometimes roomed with Phillips and that he would engage them in horseplay while rubbing their bodies against his crotch.
"When he was wrestling with us … grabbing our toes, he would put us in between his legs up near his groin area," the friend said in the 1992 interview. "Just our whole body so that we couldn't move around." The friend said Phillips showed them videotapes of teens wrestling in his backyard ring and spoke about a nationwide network of "friends" he liked to wrestle with.
"He told us that he has done it to a lot of different people," the transcript reads. "He said that he had friends over in different states that would help him, and he has done it to them. He's told us that." Insider was unable to reach Loss' friend for an interview.
Cole also leveled accusations against another WWE employee, Terry Joyal, then the vice president of operations, who was Phillips' supervisor and had previously wrestled under the name Terry Garvin. The draft complaint accuses Joyal of harassing Cole twice — first when the boy was 16 and again when he was 19 — by asking Cole to "engage in immediate sexual activity with him." Seven years later, in 1999, Cole told the newsletter Wrestling Perspective (http://web.archive.org/web/20101028140823/http://wrestlingperspective.com/issue/78/cole1.html) that Joyal had invited him over to his house to talk about coming assignments. "He goes and tums on the TV and a porno comes on. I was like, 'What the f--- is this guy doing?'" Cole said. "He's like, 'Has your girlfriend sucked your d--- like that?' I was like, 'What?' He's like, 'Let me suck your d--- like that.'" Cole said he rebuffed the advances and reported to his new job as a WWE warehouse manager the next day. Phillips showed up while he was painting a ring and fired him in February 1990, saying it was on Joyal's orders. Joyal died in 1998.
In a 1993 deposition, Cole described his treatment by Phillips and Joyal as devastating. "I felt like my life was destroyed, you know, because all my life all I ever wanted to do was, you know, work for wrestling and stuff," he said. "Because, you know, I don't sleep with someone and that someone is going to molest me when you're a kid...they just, like, throw you out like you're a piece of trash."
In his statement on behalf of the WWE, attorney McDevitt acknowledged that Cole alleged that Joyal "made an unwanted solicitation twice, once when Tom Cole was 19, which is not exactly a child's age."






A 'peculiar and unnatural' relationship with kids

The allegation that Phillips was routinely molesting children on the McMahons' watch was devastating. Compounding this devastation is evidence suggesting that both Vince and Linda McMahon suspected the abuse was happening but did almost nothing to stop it and failed to report it to the police.
When Cole and Loss first came forward publicly, Vince McMahon appeared on CNN's "Larry King Live" in March 1992 (https://beta.documentcloud.org/documents/6956594-Larry-King-Live-WWF-scandals-transcript-03-13-1992), where he said that he "really don't know what to make of it" and had "no idea, whatsoever" about any sexual abuse going on in his company.
When the New York Post columnist Phil Mushnick saw McMahon's appearance, he was irate: Just days before, Mushnick wrote in a 1992 column (https://beta.documentcloud.org/documents/6175271-Mushnick-Sex-Lies-the-WWF-Column-Re-Conversation.html), McMahon had confessed in a phone call that he suspected Phillips of taking an "unnatural" interest in young boys and had even fired him for it before hiring him back.
"Two weeks ago, during pour-his-heart-out phone calls," Mushnick wrote, McMahon "told West Coast-based journalist Dave Meltzer, then me, that he had let Phillips go four years ago because Phillips' relationship with kids seemed peculiar and unnatural. McMahon said he re-hired Phillips with the caveat that Phillips steer clear from kids." Meltzer confirmed to Insider that this was an accurate account of his call with McMahon.
McMahon would bring a defamation lawsuit against Mushnick and the Post a year later, but that complaint (https://beta.documentcloud.org/documents/6598778-McMahon-v-Mushnick-Complaint.html) never challenged Mushnick's account of that phone call. In a deposition taken as part of the lawsuit, Mushnick described what he said were detailed conversations with Vince McMahon in which the WWE mogul acknowledged that he and Linda McMahon "had known for some time that Mel had a peculiar and unnatural interest and attachment to children" and had fired him for it, only to let Phillips return out of pity.
"McMahon told me that it was his great regard for children, his own personal regard for children, that made him get rid of Mel Phillips," Mushnick said in the deposition.
"He told me that he was returned by Linda," Mushnick testified. "Vince and Linda returned Phillips to the organization with the caveat that Mel steer clear of underaged boys, stop hanging around kids, and stop chasing after kids." Vince McMahon said he brought him back, Mushnick testified, because Phillips "really missed the wrestling" and "really missed the scene."
Vince McMahon's acknowledgement — as described by Mushnick — that he fired and rehired Phillips in 1988 is supported by the available video evidence. Phillips disappeared from his post on the syndicated "Wrestling Challenge" TV show after a March 1988 taping but reemerged for a live broadcast six weeks later at Boston Garden. WWE never publicly acknowledged his absence at the time. Phillips' former friend who spoke with Insider added that Phillips never mentioned the 1988 firing until the McMahons dismissed him again in 1992. Phillips argued that the fact the McMahons had rehired him so quickly in 1988 was evidence of his innocence, the former friend said.
In his deposition, Mushnick said he had talked to McMahon about other rumored victims of abuse within WWE beyond Cole and Loss. He recalled mentioning a specific name to Vince, a teen Mushnick said was referred to within WWE as "Mrs. Mel Phillips." As Mushnick remembered it, McMahon responded "that's his guy, but he has his parents' permission." When asked in the deposition whether he would object to a consensual relationship between Phillips and the teen had he been over 18, Mushnick noted that he had heard that the individual "is an intellectually — he's been described to me by several people as extremely slow." (Insider was unable to locate the individual in question.)
In a 1992 investigation into the scandal, Penthouse reported that Phillips "was once spotted in the backseat of a car in Pennsylvania perform█ing a sexual act on an 11-year-old boy." The former top WWE star Bruno Sammartino, who died in April 2018, told the magazine that "Vince McMahon was told about the in█cident, and he elected not to do any█thing." The magazine added that Phillips "was briefly suspended by the WWF sev█eral years later for a similar act," possibly a reference to the temporary dismissal circa 1988 that Mushnick and Meltzer say Vince McMahon told them about.
There is no public evidence that anyone ever reported Phillips to state or local law enforcement. The Miami Herald, citing sources close to the investigation, reported after the scandal broke in 1992 that the WWE was "under investigation by the federal government on allegations of sexual abuse of minors and the illegal transportation of minors across state lines," adding that federal investigators were focusing on Mel Phillips and Terry Garvin. Cole told the New York Daily News in 1994 (https://www.newspapers.com/clip/29853549/legal-choke-hold-part-2-quotes-tom/) that he had given testimony before a federal grand jury, and the former friend of Phillips who spoke with Insider said he was subpoenaed in the summer of 1993. But neither Phillips nor anyone else involved with the WWE was ever charged with abusing minors.
Law-enforcement records obtained by Insider under the Freedom of Information Act suggest that the investigation into Phillips was not comprehensive. A request for the FBI's file on Phillips yielded just two heavily redacted pages (https://cdn.muckrock.com/foia_files/2017/10/04/9-27-17_MR38557_RES_ID1377360-000.pdf) showing that a former WWE employee gave the FBI information about him in January 1993 and that agents tried to interview Phillips two weeks later, only to be greeted by his mother, who said she hadn't seen him in "a couple of days." A 1993 memo from the Behavioral Sciences Unit (https://beta.documentcloud.org/documents/20398610-wwf-fbi-file-ocr#document/p206) indicates that the FBI had acquired a videotape of Phillips "wrestling" with minors but that the tape, shot in public, "contained no obvious sexual activity."
McDevitt said in his statement that "the allegations you now want to rehash in order to smear Linda were, as you note, thoroughly investigated by a federal grand jury for over a year and a half, after which they brought no charges against anybody. Had any crimes been committed by anybody, the overzealous prosecutors in that matter would have brought charges." He noted that Cole said in a deposition that he never saw Phillips masturbate, but did not address claims that Phillips rubbed boys' feet against his crotch. Nor did he address Mushnick and Meltzer's claims that Vince McMahon told them he was aware of allegations against Phillips as early as 1988.
As for the defamation case against Mushnick and the Post, the parties settled in March 1994 without any money changing hands. Neither the Post nor Mushnick admitted any error.
A $55,000 settlement

In the days after Loss and Cole came forward, media pressure began to mount on the McMahons and their company, both in the New York newspapers and on tabloid-style national television shows. Whether the story could have blown up on a more mainstream level is something we'll never know, though, because it got cut off at the knees by a settlement — a copy of which (https://beta.documentcloud.org/documents/3980478-Tom-Cole-1992-Settlement-Agreement-OCR) Insider obtained from Mushnick's archive — between Cole and the McMahons. They brought him back into the fold, agreed to pay him $55,000, and offered him a tryout as a ring announcer.
Loss disappeared from public view. A former friend of his, the wrestling writer Mike Sawyer, wrote a letter about the ring-boy scandal to the Wrestling Observer Newsletter in March 2004 in which he said Loss had been "contacted by the WWF after his name got out."
"He went up there for a visit, and came back to Niagara Falls a totally changed kid," the letter continued. "He never said another word. He took a job at an AM radio station in Grand Island and never talked about the business to me, or anyone else."
Loss did not respond to an email from Insider seeking comment for this story.
Before the settlement, Cole sat for a series of interviews for "Now It Can Be Told," (https://beta.documentcloud.org/documents/6956593-Now-It-Can-Be-Told-Wrestling-s-Ring-of-Vice) a tabloid TV show hosted and produced by Geraldo Rivera, with the stipulation that the interviews could be aired only after he had filed his lawsuit. Since Cole never filed the claim, those interviews never aired — in part because Cole moved for a temporary restraining order (https://beta.documentcloud.org/documents/6178149-Tom-Cole-Motion-for-TRO-03-24-92.html) to prevent the broadcast while his attorney continued negotiating with the McMahons. (He swore in a supporting affidavit (https://beta.documentcloud.org/documents/6178148-Tom-Cole-Affidavit-03-24-92) that the interview included "graphic descriptions of sexual abuse I sustained between the ages of 13 and 19, most of it between the ages of 13 and 16," that "left me emotionally scarred.")
As media attention intensified — a panel discussion on Phil Donahue's namesake syndicated talk show, then a daytime-TV powerhouse, was scheduled for March 16, 1992 — the McMahons pushed for a deal that could push the ring boys' claims off the airwaves. In his 1999 interview with Wrestling Perspective, Cole described the full-court press: "My lawyer kept walking out of the room and leaving me in there for 15, 20 minutes at a time with Vince McMahon and his wife. He'd go on walks with the [WWE] lawyer and leave me in the room and McMahon would talk to me and say, 'It's terrible what happened to you and ba-ba-ba. We want you to come back and work for us' and this and that. But what they really wanted was to find out any other kids' names, and any other people who were involved and anyone they could pretty much go to."
According to the same interview with Cole, he blurted out that he wasn't looking for money — "probably the stupidest thing I ever said," he told Wrestling Perspective — and Vince McMahon offered him his job back, with back pay. Cole agreed.
According to Cole, the McMahons immediately tried to milk his return for public-relations value. Vince McMahon agreed to appear on "Donahue" at the last minute.
"I stayed in the Sheraton in Stamford for the whole week," Cole said in 1999. "Linda McMahon said to me, she was like, 'We're going to send a car for you so you can go shopping. I'm sending $5,000 over so you can go get clothes and whatever you need and ba-ba-ba.' So I went and I did that. Then she said, I guess the next day, I remember getting the phone call from her, and she said, 'Listen, Tom, there's a show coming up tomorrow. Phil Donahue. I would be honored' — I can't believe I believed this s--- now when I look at it — 'if you were there.' I was like, 'Sure, no problem.'"
Flanked by Linda McMahon and her friend and WWE performer Liz "Miss Elizabeth" Hulette, Cole sat in the audience for the whole "Donahue" show (https://beta.documentcloud.org/documents/6560722-Donahue-Transcript-03-16-92-OCR-Titangate). According to Cole, the plan was that if his name came up, Vince would point him out, and then announce the settlement in a dramatic televised gesture. But Phil Donahue didn't even mention Cole, and Vince McMahon never got his triumphant moment.




Cole didn't last long on the road as a proper WWE ring crew member, in part because a surprising number of fans recognized him from media coverage of his accusations against Phillips and catcalled him at events. The Department of Justice and a federal grand jury were then both investigating WWE, and Cole has alleged that the McMahons were using him to gain insight into the investigation. "The WWF at the same time wanted me to share information with them about what the government was asking, and I did," he said in 1999. "But every time I went before the government, I was to the point where it was driving me nuts. I said to Linda, 'I don't want to share any more information. I can't handle this anymore. I just want to work. I don't want to bothered with all this stuff. I don't want to tell you anything anymore.' She got really pissed and things started deteriorating…. I knew I probably wasn't going to be there much longer."
Under his arrangement with the McMahons, Cole was to continue his education with their help — and would lose his job if he dropped out, failed any class, or did not "make satisfactory progress toward [his] degree" at community college. He told Wrestling Perspective in 1999 that he just could not handle school in the wake of his abuse and the subsequent tumult, but WWE was insistent.
When the semester came to an end in June 1993, Linda McMahon personally fired Cole. In her termination letter (https://beta.documentcloud.org/documents/3985969-Linda-McMahon-Termination-Letter-to-Tom-Cole-06.html), obtained by Insider, she noted with frustration that he had failed all of his classes with poor attendance.
"Vince and I believe that we have over the past year, demonstrated our willingness and our support not only financially but emotionally to helping you," she wrote. "But at this point we believe that we have done everything we can. Therefore, this letter is to advise you of your termination with Titan Sports, effective immediately, and that you will receive your last paycheck this week." After that, she included some information about what Cole needed to iron out with human resources, before concluding with one last parting shot. "Again, Tom, I find this action truly regrettable. The opportunity of a lifetime is a terrible thing to waste."
Cole had already prepared another lawsuit — one that he actually filed (https://beta.documentcloud.org/documents/3986037-Tom-Cole-v-World-Wrestling-Federation-Et-Al-1993.html) a few days before his firing, citing "unlawful sexual harassment and discrimination," breach of contract, and "false imprisonment." He also filed for unemployment benefits in Connecticut (https://beta.documentcloud.org/documents/3986045-Tom-Cole-Unemployment-Fact-Finding-Report-07-27.html) shortly after he received the termination letter; WWE contested that claim. Both cases dragged on for about two years. A federal judge eventually dismissed the lawsuit, but it's not clear why. The case file has been destroyed per record-retention schedules.
A few weeks after Cole's suit was filed in 1993, the Charleston Post and Courier asked Linda McMahon (https://beta.documentcloud.org/documents/6745529-McMahon-Working-to-Steady-the-WWF-Charleston.html) whether she still believed that Cole had been sexually abused by Phillips. "As I have found out now, no, I don't," she replied. "I think he's very confused." At that point, she quickly pivoted back to talking about Cole's "wasted opportunity."
Cole and his family responded to Linda McMahon's change of heart by picketing WWE headquarters (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCq8t5rDhVQ), which a local Connecticut cable-news outlet covered. In her interview for the segment in question, McMahon expanded on her comments about the ring-boy scandal. "First, [Mel Phillips] was put on suspension pending investigation," she said. "The investigation was taking so long, there was so much negative happening with it, that we finally told Mel it was better for him and better for our company for him to go on in a different way."
"McMahon doesn't deny Phillips had a foot fetish," the TV reporter said in a voiceover, "but she said it had become a joke and was blown out of proportion."
To discredit Cole, the McMahons seized on the fact that his older brother, Lee Cole — who had been at his brother's side throughout the ordeal and had encouraged him to go public — was arrested in 1992 on suspicion of violating his probation from a nine-year-old attempted-robbery conviction. (Lee, in an interview with Insider, said the arrest stemmed from a paperwork error; court records show that his probation was discharged just three days after his arrest). "Tom has been and continues to be manipulated by his brother Lee Cole," Linda McMahon said in her interview with the Charleston Post and Courier, portraying Lee as a Svengali who was conspiring with Phil Mushnick to destroy the company. "And it's a tragedy. It's really a tragedy." Legal filings in McMahon's lawsuit against Mushnick, meanwhile, accused Lee of masterminding false allegations against his company.
As for Cole's unemployment appeals, he recounted in 1999 that the company claimed he was ineligible for unemployment because he was fired for nonpayment of a company cellphone bill, and repeatedly fought the claim. Linda McMahon personally made an appearance at one hearing to contest the benefits, Cole said.
"I brought up the subject of what I had gone through with the molestation when I was a kid, from the sexual harassment, to everything else," Cole said in '99, describing the hearing. "Linda hated the fact that I brought that up and said, 'That has nothing to do with this. That's not pertinent to what's going on now.' I said, 'But it is. This is why my job turned out the way it did. It is pertinent to what's going on.' The court agreed with me. They agreed I could bring those things up."
[B]'I'm sending a check to Linda's campaign fund this evening'

After his lawsuit fizzled, Cole vanished from the public eye until 1999, when he sat for the Wrestling Perspective interview and eventually appeared as both a caller and a guest from time to time on Dave Meltzer's "Wrestling Observer Live" streaming talk show. That same year, a new person came forward with abuse allegations, suing WWE and Phillips in a lawsuit that was not reported on until a Huffington Post (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/linda-mcmahon-wwe-sexual-harassment_us_585c1bc0e4b0d9a594577de6) story alluded to it in December 2016.
According to the complaint, the allegations largely tracked the claims of Phillips' other accusers: From January 1986 through March 1987, Phillips rubbed the boy's genitals and asked him to play a "game" in which he "rubbed Plaintiff's feet and toes against his crotch," all while the announcer would "pull Plaintiff's toes apart until Plaintiff screamed." Both sides moved jointly for a dismissal in 2001, likely indicating a settlement.
In his statement, McDevitt said "I have no recall of that suit, as it was no doubt a frivolous claim. I do know that we did not settle any other claims in 1999 or at any other time regarding such matters. The simple truth is that despite all the publicity in the early 1990s and the existence of a thorough federal investigation, Tom Cole and to a much lesser degree Chris Loss are the only people who made foot fetish claims against Mel Phillips."
The docket for the 1999 case, which was filed in U.S. district court in Massachusetts, shows that McDevitt sought and received permission to appear as an attorney for WWE in the case in March 2000. The WWE's answer to the complaint, which stated that the company lacked "sufficient knowledge or information to form a belief as to the truth" of the abuse allegations and therefore denied them, listed McDevitt as "of counsel" for the company. A motion to dismiss the case filed by WWE in April 2000 bears McDevitt's signature.
Reached by Insider, the plaintiff declined to comment, citing a confidentiality agreement.
Cole stayed out of the public eye until 2010, when Linda McMahon set out on the first of her two unsuccessful Senate campaigns in Connecticut. Reporters for Politico called Cole, who hung up on them. Cole then reached out to McDevitt, who forwarded Politico an email statement from Cole (https://www.politico.com/story/2010/07/linda-mcmahons-world-of-wrestling-040476) saying "I can truly say without hesitation I'm thankful for how Linda handled my situation." He even added: "I'm sending a check to Linda's campaign fund this evening. She is after all my favorite type of Politician...Fiscally Sound. As a life long Republican I hope she wins."
'What's a dead pro wrestler or two?'

The ring-boy scandal quickly faded from view as other controversies roiled the wrestling world. As the death toll from rampant steroid and pill abuse rose from the mid-'90s through the late aughts, Mushnick became incredulous at how the McMahons' wrestling empire, with its hype and bombast and DayGlo violence, managed to escape the accountability that was visited on more traditional sports.
"After all, what's a dead pro wrestler, or two," he wrote sarcastically (https://nypost.com/2005/11/20/wrestle-with-this-hypocritial-legislators-give-wwe-a-free-pass-on-roids/), addressing the question of why governmental bodies like Congress would investigate baseball's steroid culture but not pro wrestling's. "Or 20. Or 80. They're only pro wrestlers; it's not as if they're real people." In other words, the public sneering over wrestlers' chosen line of work insulated their employers from the scrutiny other sports face.
This general disregard for what might have been massive news stories may explain why the McMahons never had to address the fact that two reporters say Vince admitted on the record that he had essentially bungled the Mel Phillips situation. CEOs of massive companies don't usually tell reporters they were so suspicious of an employee's "unnatural" interest in children that they fired the man, only to quickly rehire him if he pledged to stay away from kids.
But perhaps because he's a wrestling promoter, not only did the larger press not pick up the story, but even reporters who were covering the ring-boys scandal didn't pursue it aggressively. Once the scandal fizzled out the McMahons turned their attention to suing reporters and media outlets — implicitly sending a message that scrutinizing WWE has unpleasant consequences — while tending to the day-to-day business of selling ritualized conflict, demonizing enemies, and manufacturing myths of heroic masculine dominance.
It's a playbook that others have used to some effect.

[drave]

Paywalls are easy to get around :)

[Lock Jaw]

drave trying to get TPWW shut down

[drave]

It's not my fault websites have shoddy coding.


Seriously, removed 1 line and boom - there it is.

[Emperor Smeat]

Matt Riddle became the newest person in WWE to get the patented Vince name chopping treatment.

According to WWE's website, he's now known as Riddle going forward.

[Emperor Smeat]

Also Netflix recently bought a multi-part documentary film based on Vince McMahon with Bill Simmons as the executive producer.

Only bummer is that WWE is also working on it meaning it very likely won't be as wild as it could be considering some of the stories involving Vince's life and career in wrestling.

[Evil Vito]

Matt Riddle became the newest person in WWE to get the patented Vince name chopping treatment.

According to WWE's website, he's now known as Riddle going forward.

LMAO who the fuck thinks “Riddle” is a good ring name?

[erickman]

LMAO who the fuck thinks “Riddle” is a good ring name?

wonder if at&t time will get up with the wwe over the name riddler that they and dc own.

[Evil Vito]

And the Twitch ban has now gone into effect. AJ, Mia Yim, Zelina/Aleister all posted messages today indicating they were putting their channels on pause.

[Fignuts]

I thought they had to keep streaming.

[Emperor Smeat]

I'd assume either WWE relaxed that rule or possibly some legal stuff wasn't finished yet for WWE's complete takeover of Twitch and Cameo accounts.

The whole situation was handled poorly to begin with in terms of the PR side and WWE being way too vague on what was actually going to happen. Didn't help that the middle man between talent and Vince was somewhat inept with the company's messaging.

[Vastardikai]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I have a feature up at <a href="https://twitter.com/businessinsider?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@businessinsider</a> investigating the WWE &quot;ring boys&quot; sexual abuse scandal, incl. many previously unreported details/links to previously unpublished docs. And it dives deeply into Vince McMahon's admissions that he suspected the abuse. <a href="https://t.co/rtS7nOotwf">https://t.co/rtS7nOotwf</a></p>&mdash; David Bixenspan (@davidbix) <a href="https://twitter.com/davidbix/status/1321866315527786496?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">From some early reactions (plus it being in a subhead), it seems like &quot;Mel Phillips stomping on a teen boy's foot &amp; then massaging it for several minutes while muttering that he shouldn't have addressed the Honky Tonk Man by his real name&quot; is a thing that jumps out at people.</p>&mdash; David Bixenspan (@davidbix) <a href="https://twitter.com/davidbix/status/1321874010104340481?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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Any excuse to post that time Terry Funk beat the shit out of Mel Phillips for wearing his hat (his second biggest crime) in a match officiated by Rita Chatterton.

[Droford]

LMAO who the fuck thinks “Riddle” is a good ring name?

I cant wait til he's wearing Rey Mysterio ??? Gear

[Volare]

Lana is well...Lana. BUT at least Miro has a sense of humor (#4)


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[Volare]

Also Hagar with a nice photo....

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[Bad News Gertner]

Lol Hager almost got beat by some tomato can

[Emperor Smeat]

According to PWI, several WWE talent held a meeting with Vince today to try to get him to change his mind regarding the new ban on outside third party services and WWE taking over talent's accounts.

Those efforts failed and both the ban and WWE's takeover of talents Twitch and Cameo accounts remain in effect.

[RP]

According to PWI, several WWE talent held a meeting with Vince today to try to get him to change his mind regarding the new ban on outside third party services and WWE taking over talent's accounts.

Those efforts failed and both the ban and WWE's takeover of talents Twitch and Cameo accounts remain in effect.

If AJ Styles stood up for himself and said no, I bet this shit wouldnt happen. Grow a sack AJ.

[Gerard]

According to PWI, several WWE talent held a meeting with Vince today to try to get him to change his mind regarding the new ban on outside third party services and WWE taking over talent's accounts.

Those efforts failed and both the ban and WWE's takeover of talents Twitch and Cameo accounts remain in effect.


Lol, what a pathetic old Cunt. I swear the sooner WWE takes it royally up the ass when someone eventually brings them to court over this Independent Contractor shit the better. WWE seems to think they virtually own their roster inside and outside of the ring. Just how the fuck is this continuing to go on?

[Emperor Smeat]

Apparently the reason for Matt Riddle getting his first name chopped off is due to WWE didn't want people Googling his name and have the details of his sexual abuse accusations and lawsuit pop up easily.

The company made the decision to drop Matt Riddle’s first name, and now he’s just “Riddle.” The story was that they wanted to not have people google “Matt Riddle” and come up with the details of the lawsuit against him and WWE.

[Emperor Smeat]

Lol, what a pathetic old Cunt. I swear the sooner WWE takes it royally up the ass when someone eventually brings them to court over this Independent Contractor shit the better. WWE seems to think they virtually own their roster inside and outside of the ring. Just how the fuck is this continuing to go on?

Only way they change is via government action since the courts already sided with employers when it comes to independent contractor stuff.

UFC winning against a fighter who sued them over similar issues ended up being a big blow to the leverage WWE's talent used to have over the company. WWE used to fear the idea of being taken to court over their independent contractor shenanigans since the prevailing view for years was that they'd easily lose. Its why when they tried to stick a 1 year no compete clause on Del Rio when he left, it got quickly dropped since he threatened to take them to court.

[Droford]

For some people in the federal government, professional wrestling is apparently still very real.

A report from Politico on Thursday detailed efforts by the Trump administration to launch a series of public service announcements aimed at educating people about the pandemic with a theme of “Helping the President will Help the Country.”

The report raises questions about the Department of Health and Human Services attempting to use taxpayer funds to produce campaign ads masquerading as public health PSAs. The proposed campaign (which was eventually scuttled) is the subject of an investigation by the House Oversight Committee.


But this is a sports website, so we’ll just focus on HHS’s inability to distinguish fact from fiction in WWE.

As part of preparations for the campaign, HHS compiled a list of dozens of celebrities who might be good to include in the PSAs. The document, released by the House Oversight Committee, also includes “additional notes” about the celebs’ political leanings and personal history. It notes, for example, that Brad Pitt “slammed GOP and Trump’s impeachment during Oscars speech” and that Reese Witherspoon was arrested for drinking and driving in 2013.


There are a few sports figures on the list, like James Harden, Rob Gronkowski, Mariano Rivera and David Beckham. Ronda Rousey also made the cut, which is where this gets funny. The “additional notes” section next to Rousey’s name notes that she supported Bernie Sanders in the 2016 Democratic primary, that she expresses “anti-feminist views at times” and that she was “arrested during [a] WWE event in 2019.”


On the April 1, 2019 episode of Raw, the final show before WrestleMania 35, Rousey, Becky Lynch and Charlotte Flair brawled with each other in the ring after a match as tensions boiled over between the three women ahead of their main-event match at WrestleMania. When WWE security couldn’t break up the fracas, a bunch of “cops” dressed in extremely official-looking “Metropolitan Police” uniforms, entered the ring to handcuff Rousey, Lynch and Flair.

[Fignuts]

Quote from Paige's recent stream. She is not holding back her feelings on the twitch issue.

"I honestly have got to the point [where] I cannot deal with this company anymore," Bevis said during her Twitch stream. "Now I have to make a very important decision. I'm fucking tired, man. I broke my fucking neck twice -- twice -- for this company, dude. Over-fucking-worked. I broke my fucking neck twice for this company.

"They don't realize that this community... isn't just about fucking subs, dude. It isn't about that," she continued. "We built such a wonderful community, a wonderful fucking family where this is [an] escape for a lot of people, including myself. I can't wrestle anymore. I always worked so hard in WWE that I can't wrestle anymore. My neck is fucked. My whole fucking dreams got taken away from me, dude, and I had to have something that fulfilled... that huge fucking void that I lost with wrestling."

[Rammsteinmad]

God, Vince is really such a huge, greedy cunt. Really haven't watched barely any WWE since the pandemic, and have yet to hear a single good thing about Vince. Making employees work under dangerous conditions, the whole third-party bollocks, and all the while he's raking in his millions. Absolute bellend. I've been a life-long WWE/wrestling fan since 1992 when I was five years-old, at this point I really wish something would come along and put WWE out of business, whether it's another company doing better business/ratings or some kinda legal battle. Anything.

[Emperor Smeat]

Bret Hart is looking for the possible chance somebody has a video of his match with Curt Hennig from Anchorage, Alaska at a house show that he considered one of the best matches of his career.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Help find footage of &quot;The Lost Match Of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Anchorage?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Anchorage</a>&quot; between <a href="https://twitter.com/BretHart?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BretHart</a> and Mr. Perfect, which took place on a <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWF?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWF</a> card on August 12th 1989. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/wwe?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#wwe</a> <a href="https://t.co/3UVEQ2reLI">pic.twitter.com/3UVEQ2reLI</a></p>&mdash; Gary Dinsdale (@garydinsdale) <a href="https://twitter.com/garydinsdale/status/1321547228272562179?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 28, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Emperor Smeat]

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Undertaker's segment starts at around the 3:38 mark.

[GD]

Looks like Hot Asian wife called out Anderson on the grams.

[Volare]

Looks like Hot Asian wife called out Anderson on the grams.

Just read...oh shit is all I gotta say...just random guess, think this is why Kylie Rae no-showed? (Just a random guess.)

[GD]

Did we ever get any clarity on why she left AEW?

[Emperor Smeat]

No but the strongest belief was it being something mental health related since she has a history of it.

Considering how she abruptly no showed one of Impact's biggest events of the year and Impact being very hush regarding her health status, that added more fuel to that belief being the real reason for her sudden departure from AEW.

The seedier rumors about her departure was something David Bixenspan and Fightful's Sean Ross Sapp looked into but couldn't find any real evidence supporting it. Sapp even responded to a recent thread on r/SquaredCircle about the differences in reporting between Rae's AEW and Impact incidents and said nothing actually changed except there being a lot less wild rumors and cover-up accusations floating around this time.

[erickman]

No but the strongest belief was it being something mental health related since she has a history of it.

Considering how she abruptly no showed one of Impact's biggest events of the year and Impact being very hush regarding her health status, that added more fuel to that belief being the real reason for her sudden departure from AEW.

The seedier rumors about her departure was something David Bixenspan and Fightful's Sean Ross Sapp looked into but couldn't find any real evidence supporting it. Sapp even responded to a recent thread on r/SquaredCircle about the differences in reporting between Rae's AEW and Impact incidents and said nothing actually changed except there being a lot less wild rumors and cover-up accusations floating around this time.

wonder if she is done or what, she will never get a big story again. good thing it happened before she won the knockout belt.

[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I heard it isn't popular to adopt black cats in the US. <br>I adopted a black cat from the local shelter.<br>After that, I became NXT Women's Champion. <br>Don't believe the bad things you hear about black cats. <br>He gives me a lot of happiness and changed my life!��<br> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/InternationalCatDay?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#InternationalCatDay</a> <a href="https://t.co/LwSymH1rPG">pic.twitter.com/LwSymH1rPG</a></p>&mdash; 紫雷イオ、Io Shirai (@shirai_io) <a href="https://twitter.com/shirai_io/status/1321961488047869952?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[ClockShot]

Look out, EVIL. She just might leave you for the cat.

[Ultra Mantis]

I dont think he has anything to worry about. Everything is EVIL. All of it. EVIL.

[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">On this date in 1998, Barry Horowitz had a chance to sink a putt to win a match against Mr Hole in One Barry Darsow . . . <a href="https://t.co/1Nfyv6kw8Q">pic.twitter.com/1Nfyv6kw8Q</a></p>&mdash; Monsoon Classic (@Monsoon_Classic) <a href="https://twitter.com/Monsoon_Classic/status/1322642552911241224?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 31, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Bad News Gertner]

WCW Saturday had all sorts of weird shit like that when they let Jimmy Hart book the show

[Jordan]

I really can't support WWE anymore. I despise Vince for what he's done to Wrestling and for what he does to his employees. I pray for Biden to win for bigger reasons than WWE, but my God do I anticipate Vince's crumble at the hands of Andrew Yang and what allies he finds currently working for WWE. Paige's commentary really got me.

[#1-norm-fan]

WCW Saturday had all sorts of weird shit like that when they let Jimmy Hart book the show

Lol can we all chip in to start a fed that Jimmy Hart can book? Because I need more of that in wrestling?

Also, we’d need to find a performer like Barry Darsow to do the little things like pull plastic blades of “grass” off of a child’s putting game and toss it in the air to check the wind in an indoor studio.

[slik]

I always loved WCW Saturday Night

[Bad News Gertner]

Lol can we all chip in to start a fed that Jimmy Hart can book? Because I need more of that in wrestling?

Also, we’d need to find a performer like Barry Darsow to do the little things like pull plastic blades of “grass” off of a child’s putting game and toss it in the air to check the wind in an indoor studio.

He basically just let the wrestlers do whatever they wanted. He came up with the Hacksaw Jim Duggan finding the T.V belt in the trash. It was mostly defended on Saturday Night. Mini storylines were Saturday Night exclusive. Plus he had power plant guys like Mark Jindrak in his basketball player gimmick and Chuck Palumbo in his Tarzan gimmick mixing with vets brought in as enhancement talent like Tommy Rogers. It was a fun show.

[Evil Vito]

Kylie Rae has confirmed her retirement.

Hope she can get her head on straight cause between AEW and Impact she's just abruptly left them high and dry.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

between AEW and Impact she's just abruptly left them high and dry.

How dare she do such a thing to a business as kind-hearted, generous, and empathetic as the wrestling industry?

[Volare]

Kylie...baffles the hell out of me.

[erickman]

Kylie...baffles the hell out of me.

good thing for her she was never in the wwe, i guess she is done with big time wrestling. she must have bad stage fright

[Bad News Gertner]

As someone with anxiety, I get it. There's been many times where I'm all amped up to do something that I'd really enjoy, but anxiety gets the better of me. I've learned to control it over the years, but I get it.

[Fignuts]

Kylie...baffles the hell out of me.

Mental illness doesn't always make sense.

[Evil Vito]

How dare she do such a thing to a business as kind-hearted, generous, and empathetic as the wrestling industry?

I don’t blame her at all tbh. Mental health comes first.

But wrestling is filed with fuckheads who will probably consider the bridge burned if she ever does come back.

[XL]

I really can't support WWE anymore. I despise Vince for what he's done to Wrestling and for what he does to his <s>employees</s> independent contractors. I pray for Biden to win for bigger reasons than WWE, but my God do I anticipate Vince's crumble at the hands of Andrew Yang and what allies he finds currently working for WWE. Paige's commentary really got me.

[GD]

I remember reading a lot of conflicting information regarding Kylie Rae's departure from AEW. Similar posts are showing up with respect to Impact. I hope she's safe and cancels out all the toxic online chatter.

[Bad News Gertner]

Yeah I remember the rumour going around was that Chris Jericho tried to have her join his wife and him for a threesome in their hotel room, but Kylie got freaked out and quit the company.

[GD]

Just learned that she retired again. Feel like she’s too good for this business.

[Gerard]

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[rez]

Yeah I remember the rumour going around was that Chris Jericho tried to have her join his wife and him for a threesome in their hotel room, but Kylie got freaked out and quit the company.

The Demo-god and his goddess could surely get hotter ass...just sayin

[GD]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/8c/92/79/8c92794f6aceca511f369bcefa1758bc.jpg

[Gerard]

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That didn't look hokey at all :rofl:

[Bad News Gertner]

The Demo-god and his goddess could surely get hotter ass...just sayin

His "Goddess" is a little long in the tooth and was maybe a 6/10 at her best

[Sepholio]

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Man that just made me cry.

[Emperor Smeat]

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[Bad News Gertner]

That was during the USWA vs SMW feud towards the end of SMW. He and the DWB were an awesome tag team.

[GD]

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[Big Vic]

https://bleedingcool.com/tv/defiant-paige-refuses-to-hand-over-twitch-account-to-wwe/

Damn probably gonna sub to Paige.

[Gerard]

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Hogan going up above 6 inches for a chokeslam, a rarity.

[Evil Vito]

Hogan's reaction to The Giant falling off the building is the best

[Sepholio]

ITS THE YETAY

[RP]

https://bleedingcool.com/tv/defiant-paige-refuses-to-hand-over-twitch-account-to-wwe/

Damn probably gonna sub to Paige.

Sad to see Paige is the only person in WWE that has balls.

That said, she'll probably be fired.

[Splaya]

Sad to see Paige is the only person in WWE that has balls.

That said, she'll probably be fired.

She wants that. Don't get it twisted. She's probably making more money doing Twitch and now other shit then when she works with WWE

[Gerard]

I'm fucking tired, man. I broke my fucking neck twice -- twice -- for this company, dude. Over-fucking-worked. I broke my fucking neck twice for this company.

Her wording leaves a lot to be desired, that reads like she went out for a match and the plan was for her to break her neck and she was ok with it. She happened to break her neck whilst being under contract to wwe would be more accurate but less dramatic.

Regardless what Vince is doing is a shitbag move, how much money does the old cunt need? He's in his mid 70's now for fuck sake.

[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr">��<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWERaw?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWERaw</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/AlexaBliss_WWE?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AlexaBliss_WWE</a> <a href="https://t.co/expWn7v9Dp">pic.twitter.com/expWn7v9Dp</a></p>&mdash; WWE Universe (@WWEUniverse) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWEUniverse/status/1323456324663971841?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 3, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Lock Jaw]

I wonder what RP has to say about this

[Gerard]

Just looked up Vince and his net worth is currently 1.6 billion, down quite a bit over what it was in 2019 which was around 3.2 billion. No wonder he has to hijack streaming accounts to steal money from them, poor bastard barely has 2 coins to rub together.

[Lock Jaw]

Wish I had those two coins....

[Big Vic]

What would you do with them?

[Emperor Smeat]

Apparently Scorpio Sky got pulled from tonight's AEW Dynamite show over coronavirus precautions due to him being in recent contact with someone who tested positive for the coronavirus.

His intital test came back negative but they are not taking any risks with him for the time being.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Through contact tracing, AEW learned <a href="https://twitter.com/ScorpioSky?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ScorpioSky</a> was exposed to someone with COVID-19 within the last 14 days. An initial test was negative, but AEW has decided to postpone tonight’s scheduled match. <a href="https://t.co/5hBTxKoiDN">pic.twitter.com/5hBTxKoiDN</a></p>&mdash; All Elite Wrestling (@AEW) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEW/status/1324100456214310915?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 4, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Lock Jaw]

What would you do with them?

Two chicks at the same time

[Emperor Smeat]

According to Fightful, seems WWE's new ban on third party services and them taking over Twitch and Cameo accounts only affects the main roster and not NXT talent who got exempted from it at least for now.

That would explain why several NXT talent were able to keep streaming as if nothing had happened. Also wouldn't be surprised if some main roster talent are even more pissed off now over NXT getting preferential treatment and Triple H likely playing a role in that exemption being made.

[drave]

The whole fucking thing is pretty dystopian tbh.


I can even understand having control of the "online persona" - but not their "real life" accounts.


Apparently, it's still real to Vince, damnit.

[Big Vic]

2021 Headline: "Vince demands access to wrestler's Etsy accounts"

[Ultra Mantis]

One more attempt to get some more sign ups for Survivor Japan (https://www.tpwwforums.com/showthread.php?t=137588). Turnout is currently low, as you'd expect in the current climate but that just means you have a higher chance of winning even if you know nothing of NJPW. If you sign up you've already beat RP and that's just lovely isn't it?

Sign ups are open until the early hours of Saturday. Thnx.

[drave]

2021 Headline: "Vince demands access to wrestler's Etsy accounts"




Vince demands talent make their own attire, as they've had to reduce staff in these trying times.

[Sepholio]

Cody Rhodes can use his whole name again. Bout time on that one.

[GD]

This clip kinda makes me uncomfortable...

<iframe width="1680" height="1050" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/6_x3TNEN51s" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[Fignuts]

Pretty sure it’s meant to.