"100,001" Replies (Wrestling Forum)

[screech]

Yeah I don't necessarily think they should be suspended. But I feel like after Sammy got a month for comments on a podcast four years ago or whenever, AEW will feel like they have to discipline Excalibur for this.

If this was a few years ago, WWE may ignore this completely lol

[Bad News Gertner]

People forget all the stupid shit they used to say and do back in their late teens and early twenties.

Remember like 10 years ago when the word "gay" was used as a verb like "that's so gay" and it being somewhat socially acceptable. I would NEVER say that nowadays, but I sure as shit did back in my early 20's.

[Evil Vito]

I think the are Trump supporting wrestling fans who especially want to go after KO for his comments because he's pretty outspoken "woke" guy so him saying something awful 15 years ago is their way of having some sort of "gotcha"

[Evil Vito]

Daniel Bryan said Sal Rinauro looked like a fag in Colt Cabana's Wrestling Road Diaries in 2009. Eventually someone will make a stink about that.

[Seanny One Ball]

People forget all the stupid shit they used to say and do back in their late teens and early twenties.

Remember like 10 years ago when the word "gay" was used as a verb like "that's so gay" and it being somewhat socially acceptable. I would NEVER say that nowadays, but I sure as shit did back in my early 20's.


That was about twenty years ago but since they're all calling themselves queer again I say have at it, treat yourself to a "fag" or two.

[Emperor Smeat]

A rumor around the net regarding why Excalibur's controversial videos suddenly popped up again is due to some vendetta an owner of several low tier sheets websites has against Tony Khan and AEW.

Supposedly the owner got into a big argument and/or got called out for running clickbait tabloid style sheets websites by Khan some time ago and ever since then, he's been constantly trying to dig up any dirt on the company as revenge.

The reason it spread as quickly as it did was due to him and several associated others targeting r/SquaredCircle via spamming antics and using his official sheet websites Twitter accounts and burner accounts to create a wildfire-like online incident for it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

A rumor around the net regarding why Excalibur's controversial videos suddenly popped up again is due to some vendetta an owner of several low tier sheets websites has against Tony Khan and AEW.

Supposedly the owner got into a big argument and/or got called out for running clickbait tabloid style sheets websites by Khan some time ago and ever since then, he's been constantly trying to dig up any dirt on the company as revenge.

The reason it spread as quickly as it did was due to him and several associated others targeting r/SquaredCircle via spamming antics and using his official sheet websites Twitter accounts and burner accounts to create a wildfire-like online incident for it.

Hahaha, no.

[Emperor Smeat]

Considering the same person has done these antics before in the past and I'm aware of their bad rep as a sheets source, the rumor does have some weigh to it. Also doesn't help that this person was also boasting and trolling AEW on Twitter over it after it started spreading online.

[Bad News Gertner]

Is it anyone we'd know?

[Emperor Smeat]

Supposedly its the owner of Ringside News and other associated sites that's been behind it.

Doesn't excuse what Excalibur and Kevin Owens did in the past but the videos getting exposed again wasn't some sort of random cancel culture moment or something related to the recent wave of accusations that rocked wrestling and instead done out of spite.

Rumor of his involvement originated in /wooo or at least that was the first place I noticed it.

[Emperor Smeat]

Meanwhile, the results of WWE's recent fiscal report came out and once again showed them to be greedy when it came to cutting talent costs (and trying to resign them back at lower deals) several months ago.

Not only were those savings tiny compared to where they really saved money in delaying work on a new HQ, they once again hit another record high in certain fiscal areas and blamed the loss of a Saudi show for decreases in other notable areas.

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[Mr. Nerfect]

Steen and Excalibur did the thing. It looks equally as bad on Steen, who has no affiliation with AEW at all. It was stupid, they were young, times were different. Lots of attempting to emphasize "intent" behind words as opposed to the power of the words themselves, which is now considered a fool's errand. They should say "Sorry" and move on with their lives and try not to be dicks in the future. It's not a fucking anti-AEW conspiracy though. Fucking hell.

You might as well claim that the whole #SpeakingOut thing recently was a plan to sabotage AEW by trying to cancel Sammy Guevara.

This is why the AEW fandom is not only annoying, but fucking toxic honestly. Blame Excalibur for being a cunt if you need to turn the focus on anyone involved in AEW. He fucking did it.

[Black Widow]

Maybe i should join these cancel culture fuckers and call up Home Depot and get this guy i know from HS fired cause he called me a dyke at least a couple times a week.

[Emperor Smeat]

Steen and Excalibur did the thing. It looks equally as bad on Steen, who has no affiliation with AEW at all. It was stupid, they were young, times were different. Lots of attempting to emphasize "intent" behind words as opposed to the power of the words themselves, which is now considered a fool's errand. They should say "Sorry" and move on with their lives and try not to be dicks in the future. It's not a fucking anti-AEW conspiracy though. Fucking hell.

You might as well claim that the whole #SpeakingOut thing recently was a plan to sabotage AEW by trying to cancel Sammy Guevara.

This is why the AEW fandom is not only annoying, but fucking toxic honestly. Blame Excalibur for being a cunt if you need to turn the focus on anyone involved in AEW. He fucking did it.

Both have apologized for it in the past which is why that also got brought up around the net when the videos resurfaced again. Owens apologized for it on one of Lillian Garcia's podcast shows and Excalibur on one of Jericho's podcast shows.

The rest of your post is pure gibberish and just another occasion by you to go on a huge rant on AEW. You used to do the same exact thing with Eli Drake when he was your most hated thing on these forums. Only reason you stopped with him was because he suddenly started working for NWA which wasn't on your shit list for wrestling despite nothing about him really changing from his time in Impact.

All these claims you have about AEW fandom being toxic can easily be turned around to you considering how you've been acting around here for months.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Both have apologized for it in the past which is why that also got brought up around the net when the videos resurfaced again. Owens apologized for it on one of Lillian Garcia's podcast shows and Excalibur on one of Jericho's podcast shows.

The rest of your post is pure gibberish and just another occasion by you to go on a huge rant on AEW. You used to do the same exact thing with Eli Drake when he was your most hated thing on these forums. Only reason you stopped with him was because he suddenly started working for NWA which wasn't on your shit list for wrestling despite nothing about him really changing from his time in Impact.

All these claims you have about AEW fandom being toxic can easily be turned around to you considering how you've been acting around here for months.

It's good they apologized. Both were assholes for doing it.

No, it's not gibberish. What's gibberish is you bringing up Eli Drake (wtf?). You just don't like being criticized for being a sycophant. If Dave Meltzer said that COVID-19 was created in a lab by the OWE guys because AEW didn't want to give them eight trillion dollars, even though they offered them six trillion, because they wanted two trillion to cure puppy homelessness -- you'd gladly give it the time of day.

[Emperor Smeat]

No, I'd wonder a lot more what conspiracy theories websites or personalities he started to become a fan of if he ever mentioned something like that.

What's with you and always bringing up Meltzer towards me as if that's meant to be some sort of insult or if I'm a Meltzer sheep like you've insulated in the past. There has been a bunch of stuff about Meltzer I haven't liked about him over the years but that doesn't downplay him being a major reporter in wrestling. Same for Mike Johnson with PWInsider and issues I've had with him over the years as well.

[Jordan]

I canceled my sub to F4W.

[Emperor Smeat]

For all the grief I get because of Meltzer bias and other similar loony views, I've never had a sub with F4W.

Get all my sheet news from either the free stuff the Observer posts on their website and Youtube channel and other places that post their paid content. Plus Triple A loaning me his F4W sub for Observer Newsletter stuff after /wooo started to become a bit unreliable with posting some of the stuff I needed for the Frontpage.

Sure its wrong but nobody here ever really complained about it either.

[Mr. Nerfect]

No, I'd wonder a lot more what conspiracy theories websites or personalities he started to become a fan of if he ever mentioned something like that.

What's with you and always bringing up Meltzer towards me as if that's meant to be some sort of insult or if I'm a Meltzer sheep like you've insulated in the past. There has been a bunch of stuff about Meltzer I haven't liked about him over the years but that doesn't downplay him being a major reporter in wrestling. Same for Mike Johnson with PWInsider and issues I've had with him over the years as well.

You always take everything Meltzer says at face value. For example, this stuff is absolute horse-shit and you're talking about it like it's got any credence, when anyone can immediately determine it is bullshit. I'm pretty sure you reported the Kenny Omega/Japan stuff too, which was also obviously shit. And just recently Triple H being a piece of shit while leaving off the AEW side.

You're biased, and that's fine. But you're going to get called out on it when it crosses into ridiculousness. It's ridiculous to assume that a clip that buries Excalibur and KEVIN OWENS is out there specifically to fuck over AEW.

[Bad News Gertner]

I canceled my sub to F4W.


I'm subscribed to F4W Online just for Bryan and Vinny's Reto Raw/Nitro/Superstars. So funny.

[Mr. Nerfect]

And Meltzer has to report on hearsay to a degree. That's the nature of wrestling. Journalists also don't have to be unbiased. Don't try and straw-man me with that. The issue is that if he said "Vince McMahon is plotting to launch a nuclear bomb at Dailys just to fuck over AEW" you would eat it up.

I don't hate Meltzer or anything, and it's not like the guy has never broken a story. But his mates are in AEW and can peddle him whatever bullshit they want. They have completely slipped the "AEW was super-nice to New Japan" absolute tosh past people. Vince McMahon was definitely getting involved in how NXT was run. WWE are both simultaneously incompetent for promoting NXT not enough and doing too much. NXT is like WCW because Sam Shaw exists, but AEW is fine with its teleporting.

Meltzer, like The Young Bucks with their t-shirts, has worked out that the wrestling fan base is getting smaller and smaller because this shit sucks. But they're getting nerdier and nerdier, so they will spend more money per head. None of them are concerned with increasing wrestling's reputation, and are perfectly happy to monetize whoever is left. For The Bucks (and the other AEW executives), that means doing PWG-style horse-shit and being self-indulgent until the billionaire pulls the plug. For Meltzer, that means saying stuff that the audience that is left wants to hear to get as many subscriptions as possible. "Yay AEW; nay WWE."

Meltzer has a business to run and the money, sadly, is in pandering to whatever the fuck is left, and that means actively going with this online narrative that anyone that is not Vince McMahon is a good guy. It's completely fooled some people -- yourself and BigCrippyZ included. You'll root for anything that is not Vince McMahon, regardless of how shit it is.

[Emperor Smeat]

You always take everything Meltzer says at face value. For example, this stuff is absolute horse-shit and you're talking about it like it's got any credence, when anyone can immediately determine it is bullshit. I'm pretty sure you reported the Kenny Omega/Japan stuff too, which was also obviously shit. And just recently Triple H being a piece of shit while leaving off the AEW side.

You're biased, and that's fine. But you're going to get called out on it when it crosses into ridiculousness. It's ridiculous to assume that a clip that buries Excalibur and KEVIN OWENS is out there specifically to fuck over AEW.

Dumbass, this stuff about the videos didn't even come from Meltzer.

It came from a rumor on /wooo claiming the owner of Ringside News was behind the videos resurfacing again since its been like the third or fourth time within the past year the N-word videos regarding Excalibur and Owens have popped up online.

Here is the exact links I saw that alleged the videos popping up again was due to the owner of Ringside News having some vendetta over AEW and Tony Khan.

https://boards.420chan.org/wooo/thread/6425005#6425108

And the tweets being used to as part of that person's claims.

https://boards.420chan.org/wooo/thread/6425005#6425234


I don't know why I even bother coming to this place anymore since all you've done is take all the fun out of visiting here and talking about wrestling.

[GD]

Smeat, I believe I speak for everyone here, we value your contributions immensely. Don't feed the troll.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Dumbass, this stuff about the videos didn't even come from Meltzer.

It came from a rumor on /wooo claiming the owner of Ringside News was behind the videos resurfacing again since its been like the third or fourth time within the past year the N-word videos regarding Excalibur and Owens have popped up online.

Here is the exact links I saw that alleged the videos popping up again was due to the owner of Ringside News having some vendetta over AEW and Tony Khan.

https://boards.420chan.org/wooo/thread/6425005#6425108

And the tweets being used to as part of that person's claims.

https://boards.420chan.org/wooo/thread/6425005#6425234


I don't know why I even bother coming to this place anymore since all you've done is take all the fun out of visiting here and talking about wrestling.

Meltzer can be replaced by whatever internet source you want to credulously cite to confirm your bias, dumbass. It's whoever says the pro-AEW thing or stacks the decks in their favor.

It's ironic the subreddit is called "wooo."

[drave]

Smeat, I believe I speak for everyone here, we value your contributions immensely. Don't feed the troll.


QFT :y:

[drave]

AEW definitely more fun to watch.

[Seanny One Ball]

Dave Meltzer is a terrible idiot.

He and James Lipton have a lot in common. Suffocatingly sycophantic around their object of affection and yet offering nothing to anyone but tongue in ass.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I'd respect Dave a lot more if he ever got around to making a point. Still, I trust him as a source more than anyone else in the industry. That's not really saying all that much.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Dave Meltzer is a terrible idiot.

He and James Lipton have a lot in common. Suffocatingly sycophantic around their object of affection and yet offering nothing to anyone but tongue in ass.

That’s a great way of putting it. Meltzer is getting worse. He’s stooped to flat-out lying for AEW. I don’t think he’s on the take or anything, but he knows where his bread is buttered. That anyone still takes him seriously is bizarre to me.

The other day someone pointed out to me that Kurt Angle had no five star matches. Kenny Omega has broken his scale at least three times.

[Seanny One Ball]

He actually does push for AEW in a way that suggests to me that he is at least disingenuous in his support if not outright taking the piss at this point.

I think he sees all of the media stuff and his image in particular as some new "kayfabe" or something like that.

He wishes he was a wrestler so badly that he has started becoming one who doesn't wrestle, just talks. So he looks like an AEW guy but sounds like a WWE guy just after the millennium.

[Seanny One Ball]

Has he ever offered to fight anyone?
I can see that coming a mile off.

I bet he pulls a Uwe Boll before too long.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Has he ever offered to fight anyone?
I can see that coming a mile off.

I bet he pulls a Uwe Boll before too long.

Not actually fight anyone, but he did recently go after Cornette on Twitter with almost zero provocation. They’ve been going back and forth for a while, with things until recently being pretty good between them — Meltzer would give Cornette credit and vice versa — but then things got icy over AEW. Meltzer started echoing the things the AEW guys say to dismiss Corny (I imagine Steve Buscemi with the skateboard) and Cornette allegedly “chewed him out privately” and only made a little mention of it on his actual show.

But anyway, someone on Twitter said something like “Cornette must be stewing!” because The Young Bucks got 1 million viewers or something. Cornette has long mocked the ratings and kind of scoff-laughs at how these shows do outright, so it’s projecting a lot onto Cornette. But Dave went on this weird tangent about how no one should listen to Cornette and he’s been proven wrong about everything, even using the cliched “out of touch” line. I immediately thought “Haha, shit — Meltzer’s business is hurting for the attention.” But Cornette actually completely ignored him (well, has to date).

Kind of ironic that Dave says Corny is the one that pushes people away. He’s the guy trying to take shots and get the other guy to cut a promo on him for the attention. Not so much a “fight,” but he probably knows what the attention would do for his metrics.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I mean, you can’t look at AEW and think it is that good. I’m sorry, but you can’t. There were two Nickelodeon slimings in back-to-back segments the other week. Like, fair enough if you support them in principle, or find things to like. It’s not WWE, I get that. But it’s really hokey sports entertainment. And he goes out of his way to act like it’s high art and well disciplined storytelling.

He’ll also spin anything they do into an achievement. They are the first promotion ever started by a billionaire. They had Chris Jericho, JR and Jon Moxley signed to contracts before their first show. They had a TNT deal in place on the basis of this, also before their first show. He keeps going on about what they have achieved in a year. It’s what they bought. Nothing they’ve gotten has come off the merits of their show.

And there’s no shame in that — it’s just the reality.

I do wonder if Tony Khan being a confirmed reader of the Observer means that Meltzer is going to work extra hard to make it look like he’s got a clue. Not the best look if a dude whose education is Wrestling Observer University falls flat on his face.

[Bad News Gertner]

They've drawn pretty impressive PPV numbers.

[Fignuts]

Meltzer is a great go to for news. Opinions, not so much. He lost me completely on that when he pulled that 7 star bullshit.

I like Bryan Alvarez. Fun to listen to him go on rants, even when I don't agree with him.

[Seanny One Ball]

Dave Meltzer is the Fred Leuchter of professional wrestling.

Go on, I'll wait while you Google.

[Mr. Nerfect]

They've drawn pretty impressive PPV numbers.

I'd agree in terms of what the alleged number for Double or Nothing was versus TV viewers. They converted something like 10% of their TV audience to buyers, which is actually impressive. The speculated numbers for their previous PPVs where in line with what you'd predict for PPV.

They've got a hardcore and mobilized audience. They can milk them a fair way.

Meltzer is a great go to for news. Opinions, not so much. He lost me completely on that when he pulled that 7 star bullshit.

I like Bryan Alvarez. Fun to listen to him go on rants, even when I don't agree with him.

I don't dislike Bryan Alvarez as a person or anything, and I used to enjoy listening to him, but he crossed the line into Fred Leuchter territory with me too. Whoever that is.

[Fignuts]

I was reffered to this Asuka vs Meiko Satamura match on youtube, and it's one of the hardest hitting womens matches I've ever seen.

It's also really weird. Production wise.

Theres a guy playing a japanese style guitar throughout the whole thing and theres a blue light on the ring. The light isn't bad like Sin Cara's. They have spotlights on the wrestlers so you can see everything no problem.

Still, very odd.

[Fignuts]

Asuka's entrance is painfully long so I'd skip to 3:30 if you wanna watch it.

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[Mr. Nerfect]

I might watch that match, although the production stuff is kind of making me hesitant. Has Asuka done that Brazzers porn yet?

[Emperor Smeat]

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[Lock Jaw]

lol I like Tony's "What" at the end.... I know obviously it is prob the start of a sentence, but I am pretending it is the start and end of it.

[Bad News Gertner]

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FUNB Terry Bollea!

"The NB stands for New Blood, you figure out what the FU stands for".

So great.

[Mr. Nerfect]

what is the implication here? do you look down upon individuals who work in the adult entertainment industry?

No, I want to watch it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

such a strange thing to say out of the blue. i find it unsettling how wrestling weeabos fetishize joshis and other female performers. what kind of a reaction were you expecting out of the previous comment?

Something more in character, honestly.

[Mr. Nerfect]

i can never openly admit to being a wrestling fan because of repulsive degenerates like yourself. you give the whole community a bad name. have some respect, she's a mother and a very skilled performer.

Well the latter part is what I'm hoping for.

[RP]

i can never openly admit to being a wrestling fan because of repulsive degenerates like yourself. you give the whole community a bad name. have some respect, she's a mother and a very skilled performer.

Let me tell you how my boner moves.

[Mr. Nerfect]

i can never openly admit to being a wrestling fan because of repulsive degenerates like yourself. you give the whole community a bad name. have some respect, she's a mother and a very skilled performer.

Well the latter part is what I'm hoping for.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The average PornHub video has way more views than there are smarks on the internet. Do your perverted maths correctly.

[Fignuts]

I might watch that match, although the production stuff is kind of making me hesitant. Has Asuka done that Brazzers porn yet?

It’s honestly not as intrusive as I thought it would be when I was told about it. The match is good enough where I got sucked in and didn’t care about the weird production.

Also helps that it wasn’t done to be silly, but was rather, more of a cultural thing.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah, I might check it out. Thanks.

[Fignuts]

I feel like Sheamus is a lot better than people give him credit for.

I mean his booking and creative doesn't do him any favors, but still...

Sheamus is cool.

[Droford]

I was thinking of spending 15 bucks on Talk N Shop Mania later tonight since its on directv but its only listed as 2 hours. It looks like its going to be ridiculous but I slso think the trailer gave away a lot.

There's also a bunch of women's wrestling specials and a 56 min "MJF: the prodigy" special on afterwords that's like 8 bucks.

[Droford]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

I feel like Sheamus is a lot better than people give him credit for.

I mean his booking and creative doesn't do him any favors, but still...

Sheamus is cool.

He can do some cool shit for a guy his size, but it never comes together as anything I can care about. I think he'd have benefit if he weren't pushed so hard so early. But maybe not.

[Jordan]

If Sheamus was one of those let go... he could have been a truly great bastard heel for AEW. I feel like Sheamus in another good promotion like NJPW or AEW would allow him to be a total killer.

[Bad News Gertner]

I think Sheamus is fucking amazing. Have thought that since he debuted in ECW. Always great hard hitting matches.

[Jordan]

Imagine a year or two of Sheamus mixing it up with Suzuki, Goto and Ishii... yeah he really should go to NJPW.

[#1-norm-fan]

I actually liked Sheamus’ face championship run. The comedy material was abysmal but I thought he came off likeable while also being a badass in the ring. Good combination. He had some great “brute vs brute” matches with Tensai.

[Black Widow]

how about donating that amount to black lives matter?I'd rather donate to the skank my ex bf cheated with.

[Fignuts]

I remember everyone shitting on the Cesaro vs Sheamus best of seven series but I thought it was awesome. They did a good job of giving every match a differebt story, and because of the people invilved it was hard hitting and believable.

Still pissed they just made them a tag team instead of an actual resolution.

And thats another thing. The Bar is the worst booked tag team of all time. They should have been world beaters but they came of as just another tag team amidst all these smaller guys.

[Lock Jaw]

House show I went to years ago, the coolest thing was The Bar's entrance

[Jordan]

Lance Storm recently talked about why Tag Team wrestling is pretty much dead. Once wrestling started booking weekly attraction bouts instead of squash matches the draw of the tag team dwindled. Cesaro and Sheamus never stood a chance to "do something" as a tag team. The only team that matters to WWE is The New Day, and they've probably tried to break them up in the writers room a hundred times.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I thought Sheamus and Cesaro had this heavy-hitting Holy Demon Army vibe to them (only not as good, obviously). But they won and lost so many times — it never felt like they were truly together as a team. Weren’t they together for about as long as Edge & Christian?

[Emperor Smeat]

I feel like Sheamus is a lot better than people give him credit for.

I mean his booking and creative doesn't do him any favors, but still...

Sheamus is cool.

Sheamus is the somewhat rare type of guy in WWE that actually managed to get better the longer his career went but simply never managed to shake off the damage caused by that idiotic 18 seconds match against Bryan.

Orton is another one but what really drags him down is his supposed lack of motivation and caring most of the time for his feuds and ring work and less about WWE's booking of him.

[slik]

WWE planning a draft soon

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[Emperor Smeat]

October would make the most sense since that was when the last Draft happened.

Would also fit with the whole "season premiere week" thing they boasted about when SD moved to FOX last year.

[Emperor Smeat]

According to PWI, WWE's newest plan to combat AEW and fix NXT's ratings issues is to simply hire more writers for their NXT brand.

They recently hired 2-3 new writers specifically for that brand but don't think they let go or demoted any of the ones that had been working for the brand.

Ever since moving to USA Network, think they had been using somewhere around 4-5 writers with Road Dogg and HBK among those in NXT Creative. Before it used to be just 1 writer with a couple of NXT agents helping out with ideas.

[Mr. Nerfect]

According to PWI, WWE's newest plan to combat AEW and fix NXT's ratings issues is to simply hire more writers for their NXT brand.

They recently hired 2-3 new writers specifically for that brand but don't think they let go or demoted any of the ones that had been working for the brand.

Ever since moving to USA Network, think they had been using somewhere around 4-5 writers with Road Dogg and HBK among those in NXT Creative. Before it used to be just 1 writer with a couple of NXT agents helping out with ideas.

:roll:

Or they just hired new writers because that's something they're basically constantly doing and they cycle people in and out and like the appearances of being a machine that churns out people for the production side of things? NXT hiring new lighting people is not some grand conspiracy to battle AEW -- it could just be them getting new lighting people/providing new training opportunities for Full Sail. Writers are the same deal.

It's possible that with Vince obviously getting closer and closer to moving away, they want to have more writers in because a lot of the NXT crew will be more involved in the main roster stuff, or possibly different ventures altogether. But that doesn't put AEW at the center of the narrative.

Also, lol at "ratings issues." They basically have the same viewership as AEW. Does it have a ratings issue? If they wanted to drastically increase NXT, they'd put big stars there more frequently and take it off the WWE Network so that people don't watch it the next day so readily. At least block it in the United States. NXT are fighting this "battle" with an arm tied behind their back at all times.

But sure, let's pretend that Vince McMahon is stressing out because AEW has a slightly higher demo and is a distant, distant #3 with hours six and seven throughout the wrestling week, and all he could think of was to hire some writers.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Vince McMahon's dealings with Saudi Arabia are just a desperation deal because he wants the expendable cash to be able to buy the Pacific Ocean to stop Chris Jericho from doing his vanity cruise there, people.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The WWE gives a shit about money. That's what all their business dealings are about. The only interest the WWE ever had in AEW was if it were going to pose a risk to their future dealings when it comes to TV rights fees. Then the TV show dropped, AEW chased away about half the live viewers interested in it and they got super-excited about a $45 million per year deal that has them locked in for years and years. Vince is fucking laughing. Raw and SmackDown are so far ahead in terms of viewership, demos, international penetration and basically everything, and AEW so keen to box themselves into what was basically coverage for their production costs, that Vince McMahon basically has carte blanche to do whatever he wants.

NXT was successful in doing what it was put on the USA Network to do. Monetize developmental and prevent another company for gaining weight to be able to fuck with TV rights deal negotiations in a few years time. You don't have to love the WWE to accept that. I fucking hate it, because I want something different and something good. But AEW ain't it. Vince's "Eye for an Eye" shit is staring you right in the face and winking.

[Emperor Smeat]

:roll:

Or they just hired new writers because that's something they're basically constantly doing and they cycle people in and out and like the appearances of being a machine that churns out people for the production side of things? NXT hiring new lighting people is not some grand conspiracy to battle AEW -- it could just be them getting new lighting people/providing new training opportunities for Full Sail. Writers are the same deal.

It's possible that with Vince obviously getting closer and closer to moving away, they want to have more writers in because a lot of the NXT crew will be more involved in the main roster stuff, or possibly different ventures altogether. But that doesn't put AEW at the center of the narrative.

Also, lol at "ratings issues." They basically have the same viewership as AEW. Does it have a ratings issue? If they wanted to drastically increase NXT, they'd put big stars there more frequently and take it off the WWE Network so that people don't watch it the next day so readily. At least block it in the United States. NXT are fighting this "battle" with an arm tied behind their back at all times.

But sure, let's pretend that Vince McMahon is stressing out because AEW has a slightly higher demo and is a distant, distant #3 with hours six and seven throughout the wrestling week, and all he could think of was to hire some writers.

That's what PWI reported was the reason when they asked more about the hirings.

WWE wanted to do some shakeups in NXT's Creative to improve both its ratings and creative direction since what they are doing now isn't creating any real lasting benefits for the brand.

[screech]

I get why WWE made the switch, but I kinda wish NXT was one hour instead of two.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Smeat: Reports rumors while citing sources... doesn't say it's the 100% truth

Noid: :rant: :rant: :'( :'( :'(

[Mr. Nerfect]

That's what PWI reported was the reason when they asked more about the hirings.

WWE wanted to do some shakeups in NXT's Creative to improve both its ratings and creative direction since what they are doing now isn't creating any real lasting benefits for the brand.

And that’s obviously bullshit. You could have discerned that before you posted it.

I get why WWE made the switch, but I kinda wish NXT was one hour instead of two.

One hour shows actually leave you wanting more sometimes.

it ain't about competition but we'll just move our third brand to wednesday nights and have themed shows for no particular reason.

NXT was already on Wednesdays. Getting on USA gives them a chance to make more money and make developmental profitable. Also marginalizes what AEW can achieve, which protects their larger slice of the market. There’s obviously a business strategy behind it. It’s common sense and not as exciting as “WWE fears AEW” though.

[Volare]

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I find it funny since CJ does 10x less things than most of the e-thots do.

[erickman]

they banned impact for a week for what rvd did, twitch is strict on wrestling.

[erickman]

so what hapened at the good bros ppv was it any good?

[Black Widow]

https://i.ibb.co/Kbc90yj/Screenshot-20200802-120017-Samsung-Internet.jpg

[xrodmuc316]

sure. but they went live and changed the time slot of when the show aired. attempting to stifle aew in itself is an admission that they take them seriously. not saying they fear the new company but they do see it as a credible threat.

you're being a contrarian for the sake of being one because you think you're above the average wrestling fan but the sad truth is that every single wrestling fan in existence has an inflated perception of their own opinion. you're no different.

NXT was always on at 8:00pm. They got an extra hour because USA paid for it.

Why doesn't anybody seem to remember AEW getting a trademark for Tuesday Night Dynamite before they even had a TV deal?

AEW's original plan was for Tuesdays, in the wake of Smackdown moving to Fridays.

AEW spinning the big bad WWE trying to hurt us with NXT is utter bullshit.

If they went by their trademark, and THEN NXT moved to Tuesdays, they could say that. As it is, they scheduled their show at the same time NXT had been running for years, then got pissed NXT got a better TV deal than they did.

AEW's entire foundation is a work to garner sympathy against those meanies trying to hurt and hold them back.

It is the overall gimmick of the company, it is the gimmick of their champion, it is the gimmick of at least 5 other wrestlers, it is the gimmick of their producers, managers, ring announcers, and commentators. It is the gimmick they present in the show, in interviews, tweets, podcasts, and every other aspect of their lives.

They all think they are SOOOOO much better than WWE believed them to be because WWE doesn't understand anything.

Other than Cody, have any of them proved WWE wrong?
Spears got a Mohawk and zero personality.
Brodie Lee mocks Vince McMahon but nothing about him is must see. The Bucks even admitted he was like their 4th choice.
FTR is exactly the same, except now their tag opponents actually do way more flips, so their "no flips just fists" makes more sense.
Ryder is just himself without his woo woo gimmick, which was the only interesting thing about him.
Moxley is exactly the same, everything he does is goofy shit. I see zero difference from Dean Ambrose other than his name and attire. He has more gimmick matches, but that doesn't change his character.

AEW got incredibly lucky that Jericho wanted to be a part of the company. His on screen character has been amazing, but off screen he is every bit as whiney as anybody while promoting the big bad WWE agenda.

The entire company is in business because of the narrative "WWE BAD, AEW GOOD...but also look at all the WWE guys we have, but that doesn't mean we are Impact 2.0, so watch us and stick it to WWE, we are cool and hip and "wink wink" look how much fun we have, you can be in on the "wink wink" too, yay BE ELITE".

[slik]

I swear wrestling has the dumbest fans....

https://www.change.org/p/wwe-justice-for-alexa-bliss

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I hate y’all so much. Who did this? I want names <a href="https://t.co/3dofsoFR2Z">pic.twitter.com/3dofsoFR2Z</a></p>&mdash; Chance ��️█���� (@ChanceOSadness) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChanceOSadness/status/1289984405084151808?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 2, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Of course Brie had a boy �� I feel like Nikki never gets something special cause Brie always ruins it</p>&mdash; �� Ti �� (@rivers_sweetie) <a href="https://twitter.com/rivers_sweetie/status/1290002286379491328?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 2, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Lock Jaw]

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Just how all out they went with Fandango's entrance....

[Emperor Smeat]

so what hapened at the good bros ppv was it any good?

Apparently the Hand of AJ Styles from WrestleMania's Boneyard match made an appearance during the show.

Haven't actually watched it yet but supposedly it was a pretty enjoyable comedy style wrestling show based on the reactions around the net.

[Mr. Nerfect]

sure. but they went live and changed the time slot of when the show aired. attempting to stifle aew in itself is an admission that they take them seriously. not saying they fear the new company but they do see it as a credible threat.

you're being a contrarian for the sake of being one because you think you're above the average wrestling fan but the sad truth is that every single wrestling fan in existence has an inflated perception of their own opinion. you're no different.

If they took AEW seriously, they wouldn’t do shit like Eye for an Eye. They went live and to two hours because nuts if some amateur hour promotion is going to get all the TV rights fees. WWE had trialed NXT on USA before. This just sped up the process.

Also, wrestling fans will watch anything, so this was a good way to slice into that audience. Now AEW fans get excited about 800k viewers.

[Volare]

Homeboy will be just fine.

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[xrodmuc316]

Homeboy will be just fine.

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Yeah, he can talk to Moxley and Spears about how cool it is that their wives are still at that big bad place making the majority of their household incomes :rofl::rofl::rofl: SOOOOOOOO ELITE!

[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Who had the best diving elbow of all-time?<br>A) Randy Savage<br>B) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShawnMichaels?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ShawnMichaels</a> <br>C) <a href="https://twitter.com/CMPunk?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@CMPunk</a> <br>D) <a href="https://twitter.com/KairiSaneWWE?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@KairiSaneWWE</a> <a href="https://t.co/Ws59Gwrz6B">pic.twitter.com/Ws59Gwrz6B</a></p>&mdash; WWE on FOX (@WWEonFOX) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWEonFOX/status/1289637021779025921?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 1, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Macho Man is still the gold standard for best elbow drop in wrestling but Kairi Sane is a very close second with how sweet almost all of her elbow drops looked.

Only knock against Sane is she didn't get to showcase her great elbow drops more often on the main roster because of how much WWE botched handling her.

[drave]

Man, Kari Sane's elbows are soooooooooooo good. Hard to compare her and Macho Man's because they feel like completely different variations.

[Emperor Smeat]

Managed to catch the second half off GCW's show today and it was pretty entertaining.

Based on the stuff I saw, it was a lot more slow paced and less hardcore/deathmatch in terms of action compared to last week's set of crazy shows but still was a nice show to sit back and chill while watching.

Was the most interested in watching Kylie Rae's match since I figured it would have been on the second half of the show but that ended up being very early instead. Her current gimmick and style of wrestling is almost the complete opposite of what GCW typically offers.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Prefer how heavy Randy Savage comes off the top rope. Looks devastating.

[xrodmuc316]

Yeah, I would certainly agree Savage's were the best, just a thing of beauty.

I would also agree Kairi's is the next best thing. Just her downward trajectory looks so different, it makes it look more devastating once she lands it.

[Fignuts]

I'll never be able to pick between macho's and Kairi's.

Not sure what CM Punk or HBK are even doing on this list.

[Bad News Gertner]

I vote Macho because Kairi is a woman and men are better than women. Scientific fact.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I will says this, WWE may not know how to make new fans anymore, but they know how to make a shit-ton of $$$. The amount that WWE is making per fan is insane. At some point the loss of popularity will catch up, but it's clearly not anytime soon. <a href="https://twitter.com/WrestlingInc?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WrestlingInc</a></p>&mdash; Raj Giri (@RajGiri_303) <a href="https://twitter.com/RajGiri_303/status/1290079551972753408?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 3, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Mr. Nerfect]

This is wrestling all over. They've chased away people with taste and now you only have the most dedicated fan raising the average per head.

[Volare]

Yeah, he can talk to Moxley and Spears about how cool it is that their wives are still at that big bad place making the majority of their household incomes :rofl::rofl::rofl: SOOOOOOOO ELITE!

I somehow doubt that regarding their positions but...ok?

[Mr. Nerfect]

If Spears is getting paid as much as even the most lowly WWE talent seems to get these days, then it's too much money.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I want to feel bad for Spears. On one hand, the dude clearly has passion for what he does. He's been doing it for about 20 years now. And he looks good and isn't bad at it, per se. But he took a giant stab leaving the WWE to try and prove that he's got top guy potential because he let the NXT bubble get in his head. Now he's kind of been exposed as a dude with a definite ceiling, an overinflated sense of worth and doesn't get to see his smoking hot girlfriend who is around a lot of better paid and more talented guys all the time.

But the dude has also had way too much luck already, so it's probably the universe balancing itself out for him.

[Fignuts]

I vote Macho because Kairi is a woman and men are better than women. Scientific fact.

https://i.redd.it/7c6xg44li9921.jpg

[Mr. Nerfect]

AEW is as big as it’s going to get. The WWE have succeeded in capping them/they’ve succeeded in capping themselves.

[Mr. Nerfect]

i disagree with your assessment wholeheartedly.

Cool. :y:

[Mr. Nerfect]

I like MJF's promos, Gedo's booking and the idea of Becky Lynch eventually doing porn.

[fundiddle]

is there a thread for Talk ‘N Shop A Mania because if i missed it, there should be. simply amazing, it's like Trailer Park Boys meets... well
https://i.redd.it/tehlattlo1az.jpg

[Volare]

I hope it's MJF doing these himself, cause his FB page (and twitter) is littered in GOLD.

https://scontent.ffcm1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/116801326_2672017643084274_6411623931017712855_o.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=c7Xqi4QpnvwAX9t0Kdg&_nc_ht=scontent.ffcm1-1.fna&oh=8866d9195386aceb3899e3976d154389&oe=5F4F950D

[drave]

MJF's promo last week was fucking FIRE.


Dude is great.

[drave]

Would have LOVED to hear the loud ass BOOS if that would have been a show in front of a crowd.

[BigCrippyZ]

Why doesn't anybody seem to remember AEW getting a trademark for Tuesday Night Dynamite before they even had a TV deal?

I don't know where you're getting this from because it didn't happen.

Under the law, a trademark does not exist under common law or statute, and no registration will be approved by the USPTO or a state, unless and until the mark is actually used in commerce. If an application to register is filed prior to use of the mark in commerce, the registration will be denied. The only permissible application that may be granted prior to use of the mark in commerce is an intent to use application which lasts for a period of 6 months.

[Lock Jaw]

MJF's promo last week was fucking FIRE.


Dude is great.

Just because you said it, I went and found it on YouTube.... was PrettyGood.... MJF always reminded me of a "less good" The Miz at his peak...

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

MJF is better than the Miz.

[Lock Jaw]

Not yet, but seeing as how is near the beginning of his career and almost as good as peak Miz, I think he'll get there.

But I probably won't know because I don't watch anyways.... he may actually have already done it for all I know. *shrug*

[Mr. Nerfect]

Would have LOVED to hear the loud ass BOOS if that would have been a show in front of a crowd.

The crowd will end up cheering MJF. Their booing isn't authentic. Wrestling is dead.

I don't know where you're getting this from because it didn't happen.

Under the law, a trademark does not exist under common law or statute, and no registration will be approved by the USPTO or a state, unless and until the mark is actually used in commerce. If an application to register is filed prior to use of the mark in commerce, the registration will be denied. The only permissible application that may be granted prior to use of the mark in commerce is an intent to use application which lasts for a period of 6 months.

:roll: Well, actually...

Jesus Christ, shut the fuck up, dude. You know what he meant. Anyone can do a Google search on this. Stop sucking Shad Khan's dick.

[Mr. Nerfect]

MJF is great, but he's in a shit promotion. I look forward to him jumping ship to somewhere in a few years time. The Miz is pretty awful. His "comfort" on the mic doesn't matter to me, because he sucks in the ring and nothing he says makes me excited to see anything he's going to do. The team with Morrison at least puts him with someone I do want to see in the ring.

[Fignuts]

Not yet, but seeing as how is near the beginning of his career and almost as good as peak Miz, I think he'll get there.

But I probably won't know because I don't watch anyways.... he may actually have already done it for all I know. *shrug*

Nah, MJF is better. And I'm a big Miz fan.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Not yet, but seeing as how is near the beginning of his career and almost as good as peak Miz, I think he'll get there.

But I probably won't know because I don't watch anyways.... he may actually have already done it for all I know. *shrug*

Miz is half-decent. That's it. MJF is pretty exceptional.

[Emperor Smeat]

When was peak Miz period, Mania 27?

The "shoot" promo against Bryan on Talking Smack in 2016 is the only other notable period I can think of for him in terms of peak worthiness.

[Droford]

MJF is better than the Miz.

And the Miz knows it

[Droford]

is there a thread for Talk ‘N Shop A Mania because if i missed it, there should be. simply amazing, it's like Trailer Park Boys meets... well
https://i.redd.it/tehlattlo1az.jpg

I was going to watch it but the Orioles game distracted me

[BigCrippyZ]

You know what he meant. Anyone can do a Google search on this. Stop sucking Shad Khan's dick.

No, I don't actually, as I stopped reading as soon as I realized his facts were wrong. An argument or point is (or should be) based on facts or factual circumstances. His argument or point was irrelevant and incorrect due to him basing it on or relying on untrue factual information. BTW, if you're argument for "proof" is you can Google the info, you're a pathetic hack and a fucking idiot, and I wouldn't trust you to mow my lawn or even get my order right at a fast food joint, let alone provide me with accurate information. This is the problem with modern society. People believe that they "know" more than they do, or at best rely on untrue or incomplete facts, in making their arguments or conclusions.

[Mr. Nerfect]

When was peak Miz period, Mania 27?

The "shoot" promo against Bryan on Talking Smack in 2016 is the only other notable period I can think of for him in terms of peak worthiness.

That's a weird way of wording it. Speaking about his talent, yeah, The Miz is pretty shit (although y'all were on his balls in 2016), but "worthiness?" The guy is a bigger star than anyone in AEW right now.

No, I don't actually, as I stopped reading as soon as I realized his facts were wrong. An argument or point is (or should be) based on facts or factual circumstances. His argument or point was irrelevant and incorrect due to him basing it on or relying on untrue factual information. BTW, if you're argument for "proof" is you can Google the info, you're a pathetic hack and a fucking idiot, and I wouldn't trust you to mow my lawn or even get my order right at a fast food joint, let alone provide me with accurate information. This is the problem with modern society. People believe that they "know" more than they do, or at best rely on untrue or incomplete facts, in making their arguments or conclusions.

That's funny, I stopped reading this post after the first sentence when it became obvious it was semantic bullshit. "Well actually, if a trademark isn't used on the air then..." fucking stupid and irrelevant to any conversation anyone was trying to have. You completely circumnavigated that because you know what you're trying to do is a crock a shit.

AEW were going to call the show Tuesday Night Dynamite, because Tony Khan is a mark that saw that SmackDown was moving nights and he wanted to hop on. Then they called it "Dynamite" because it wasn't on Tuesdays and it was quite possible the show would be bounced around to different nights. That's the fucking point. You're trying to murk that up in jargon, because you're dishonest and can't get enough of that tasty Shad shaft.

Will you still put AEW's balls in your mouth when the rest of the bandwagon has jumped off and are onto something else? Or will your frivolous mind wander to the next fad like everyone else? :lol:

[Emperor Smeat]

What other notable peak periods did Miz have besides Mania 27 in 2011 and Talking Smack in 2016?

Him and Truth wrecking things in WWE and facing off against Rock & Cena in a big tag match happened later in 2011 but I'd consider it as being part of Mania 27 peak period. Wasn't till around after that tag match that he started to lose a lot of steam and direction.

[Lock Jaw]

When was peak Miz period, Mania 27?

The "shoot" promo against Bryan on Talking Smack in 2016 is the only other notable period I can think of for him in terms of peak worthiness.

Yeah, I'd say 2016 his run as IC champ with Maryse/Bo/Axel by his side was his peak.

I was also actually quite enjoying his matches too.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The Miz should have never been in that WrestleMania 27 position. I think we should all be able to admit that now.

He's fine as Morrison's partner, but it would also be fine if he announced his retirement and that he was cashing in on an insurance policy that would allow him to act/manage full-time.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I remember watching The Miz vs. Shinsuke Nakamura w/ Sami Zayn and thinking "They've got Shinsuke Nakamura in the ring and they decide to put him with The Miz over Sami Zayn?"

Have The Miz become a manager and go after Cesaro's contract. He finally has the guy with the strength and the skill to get the WWE Championship the company would never let him get close to again. Zayn goes against Cesaro because he feels betrayed. Fucking easy. Get that shit sorted.

[Emperor Smeat]

According to PWI, recent rumors of Lucha Libre AAA considering the idea of purchasing CMLL are true based on some of the recent chatter from Mexico.

There was a reference to AAA possibly buying CMLL on the most recent edition of [MLW] Pulp Fiction during a segment where AAA's Dorian Roldan was trying to buy Salina de la Renta's Promociones Dorado. While that purchase was obviously storyline, we are told there is smoke to the fire when it comes to AAA and CMLL talking about a potential deal. If THAT happens, in Mexico, it would be bigger than WWF buying WCW. Sadly, CMLL has been in the midst of a political war internally since the passing of Paco Alonso with different factions behind the scenes against each other.

If that were to actually happened, would be very interesting in seeing what happens with the partnerships both companies currently have since on AAA's side they have Impact, MLW, and AEW while CMLL has NJPW and ROH. Then you have side partnerships like NJPW with RevPro and ROH with NWA to also take into account.

[fundiddle]

i don’t think those partnerships exist in the event of a sale/liquidation on the seller end but i could be wrong

[Mr. Nerfect]

You're not wrong.

[slik]

Can't even announce their name in a vignette on TV, just have it announced via their website in a article...

So lazy...



<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/wNpELtByip">https://t.co/wNpELtByip</a> has learned that the faction behind the attacks last night on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWERaw?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWERaw</a> is calling themselves RETRIBUTION.<a href="https://t.co/s40OfWWPTh">https://t.co/s40OfWWPTh</a> <a href="https://t.co/FUBfI6QFKp">pic.twitter.com/FUBfI6QFKp</a></p>&mdash; WWE (@WWE) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE/status/1290786185397317634?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 4, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Emperor Smeat]

Justus would have been a better name.

Really hope this new faction storyline doesn't end up leading to the Authority returning on tv since Steph and Triple H's poor-man's version of the Corporation got stale pretty quickly.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Can't even announce their name in a vignette on TV, just have it announced via their website in a article...

So lazy...



<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/wNpELtByip">https://t.co/wNpELtByip</a> has learned that the faction behind the attacks last night on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWERaw?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWERaw</a> is calling themselves RETRIBUTION.<a href="https://t.co/s40OfWWPTh">https://t.co/s40OfWWPTh</a> <a href="https://t.co/FUBfI6QFKp">pic.twitter.com/FUBfI6QFKp</a></p>&mdash; WWE (@WWE) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE/status/1290786185397317634?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 4, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Most of AEW’s development happens on YouTube and the internet. At least an “outsider” group makes sense in this light.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Watching Summerslam 92 on FS1. Savage/Warrior on now. Has to be the most tassel filled championship match in the history of wrestling.

https://www-thesun-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/ii/w820/s/www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/macho-man-nails-warrior-with-a-piledriver.jpg?strip=all&w=642

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I know people say Hogan at Wrestlemania is Warrior’s best match but I like his two matches with Savage a lot more. Feel like Warrior and Savage must have had a great working relationship because Warrior sold his ass off in these matches. Or maybe he really was just so gassed and had no stamina. Either way, I enjoyed the ride!

[Bad News Gertner]

Ultimate Warrior is one of the greatest big match wrestlers ever.

Dead serious.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I forgot they had that match in that attire. Such a crazy visual. Wrestling doesn’t get to look like that anymore.


Fox Sports 1 seems to show a lot of WWF PPVs. How do they do numbers-wise? Probably a great sweetener for both sides in that FOX/WWE deal people say FOX must regret because SmackDown only draws two and half times what AEW does.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Ultimate Warrior is one of the greatest big match wrestlers ever.

Dead serious.

I hate the guy, but his matches against Rick Rude, Randy Savage, Hulk Hogan and Sgt. Slaughter agree with you. The guy also brought something to it. Wish he wasn’t utterly a fuckwit.

[Emperor Smeat]

I forgot they had that match in that attire. Such a crazy visual. Wrestling doesn’t get to look like that anymore.


Fox Sports 1 seems to show a lot of WWF PPVs. How do they do numbers-wise? Probably a great sweetener for both sides in that FOX/WWE deal people say FOX must regret because SmackDown only draws two and half times what AEW does.

Around the 100k to 200k range as the average. They had a couple old shows that hit the 300k+ range but that was rare.

In terms of being a lead-in for WWE Backstage and helping boost that viewership, it usually did an abysmal job in that role.

FOX is dropping that classic programming block in a couple of weeks for baseball and haven't mentioned if its returning afterwards.

[Bad News Gertner]

I hate the guy, but his matches against Rick Rude, Randy Savage, Hulk Hogan and Sgt. Slaughter agree with you. The guy also brought something to it. Wish he wasn’t utterly a fuckwit.

It's so weird. He's not good, but I can't think of a major PPV match post SummerSlam 88 (IC win) of his that wasn't at least very good to great. People can counter with "well look who he was in the ring with". Rick Rude and Jake Roberts stunk up the joint night after night for a year.

[Black Widow]

My post really got removed lame fuckers.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Around the 100k to 200k range as the average. They had a couple old shows that hit the 300k+ range but that was rare.

In terms of being a lead-in for WWE Backstage and helping boost that viewership, it usually did an abysmal job in that role.

FOX is dropping that classic programming block in a couple of weeks for baseball and haven't mentioned if its returning afterwards.

That doesn’t sound bad at all. Almost as much as AEW gets. Not a bad deal to have that stuff in your back catalogue to bust out for a couple of hundred thousand viewers when there is nothing live on.

It's so weird. He's not good, but I can't think of a major PPV match post SummerSlam 88 (IC win) of his that wasn't at least very good to great. People can counter with "well look who he was in the ring with". Rick Rude and Jake Roberts stunk up the joint night after night for a year.

Yeah, lots of wrestlers who have individually good reputations have flopped when put in main event positions against each other. Triple H comes to mind as a guy who has lots of them. Orton and Cena never had good chemistry. Bret Hart and even Shawn Michaels have failed to deliver some climatic stuff.

Warrior probably benefits by having a short reign on top. By the time you get to Halloween Havoc, it’s all gone. But there is something to that run.

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The Street Profits should really be able to afford better gear by now.

[Emperor Smeat]

Not really since a good chunk of FS1's replays were like barely half of what AEW did for their Countdown specials.

That average range is decent for FS1 but once you add in demo stuff, ends up being closer to WWE Backstage tier level in terms of performance.

The content being very cheap for FOX is probably the only reason why they bothered to stick with it for as long as they have.

[Lock Jaw]

Too bad The Ultimate Maniacs didn't get more of a run

[Mr. Nerfect]

Not really since a good chunk of FS1's replays were like barely half of what AEW did for their Countdown specials.

That average range is decent for FS1 but once you add in demo stuff, ends up being closer to WWE Backstage tier level in terms of performance.

The content being very cheap for FOX is probably the only reason why they bothered to stick with it for as long as they have.

Yeah, it does about average of what FS1 usually does for cheap (maybe even nothing). That’s a damn good deal when there is nothing live on. Keep in mind this is a satellite to being #1 in the alleged key demo and having 1.9 million viewers on a Friday.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol, if AEW was getting 200k for a show that wasn’t Dynamite you would be pissing your pants with excitement calling it huge.

[Fignuts]

Cool channel that has a bunch of 50's wrestling from Chicago.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWXxP_rvXryBPpjIw7Dl9Tg

[Black Widow]

Cool channel that has a bunch of 50's wrestling from Chicago.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWXxP_rvXryBPpjIw7Dl9TgI can't imagine I'll ever get that bored.

[Fignuts]

Don't worry, it wasn't posted for you.

[Bad News Gertner]

The Chicago Film Archive channel is mint. I remember going through these videos a couple years ago

[Supreme Olajuwon]

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I can’t find a better picture of it, but during the hype package before Savage/Warrior they showed footage of Savage and Warrior teaming up against the Nasty Boys and Warrior was wearing this singlet. So he looked naked except for spray painted pubes.

[Bad News Gertner]

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I can’t find a better picture of it, but during the hype package before Savage/Warrior they showed footage of Savage and Warrior teaming up against the Nasty Boys and Warrior was wearing this singlet. So he looked naked except for spray painted pubes.

Yeah, Warrior was transitioning off the gas so he started wearing that. Same reason why Savage wore the gear he did at around that time. Savage started doing it because he was off the gas due to wanting to start a family with Elizabeth

[slik]

New WWE President is Nick Khan (no relation to Tony), who represented WWE as an agent and got them their current TV Deals


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Press release: WWE Names Nick Khan President &amp; Chief Revenue Officer<a href="https://t.co/I0mf0q8Nha">https://t.co/I0mf0q8Nha</a></p>&mdash; Wrestlenomics (@wrestlenomics) <a href="https://twitter.com/wrestlenomics/status/1291006444008083459?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Marty Jannetty woke up today and decided to casually confess to a murder. <a href="https://t.co/l8yGSq17oO">pic.twitter.com/l8yGSq17oO</a></p>&mdash; Mikey (@BLPMikey) <a href="https://twitter.com/BLPMikey/status/1290982041161469955?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Evil Vito]

Not only that..."the first time" suggests he's done it more than once.

[Evil Vito]

Marty Jannetty: Homophobe. Racist. Wants to fuck his daughter. Murderer? Definite nut job.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Also clearly just trying to get attention while on drugs.

[Bad News Gertner]

He's been my facebook friend for a long time. Interesting guy lol

[Evil Vito]

New WWE President is Nick Khan (no relation to Tony), who represented WWE as an agent and got them their current TV Deals


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Press release: WWE Names Nick Khan President &amp; Chief Revenue Officer<a href="https://t.co/I0mf0q8Nha">https://t.co/I0mf0q8Nha</a></p>&mdash; Wrestlenomics (@wrestlenomics) <a href="https://twitter.com/wrestlenomics/status/1291006444008083459?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

"GODDAMMIT this AEW shit has got to stop! Do what we did to every other territory. Steal their guy! Steal their top guy!"

"Who? Moxley? Jericho? Omega?"

"No, get Khan! Get that Khan guy."

"...uhhhhh. Okay, will do boss."

[Jordan]

i watched an old summer slam match where lesnar wrestled rock for the undisputed belt. such energy in the crowd. i wonder how fans took to a newcomer like him win the title.

Brock was very well received and his title reign didn't feel out of place. He had dominated for a few months and won a great King of the Ring tournament and a feud with RVD. Also most smart fans knew that Rock was taking off and that Lesnar was taking the belt.

[Emperor Smeat]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

One of those things I have grown to appreciate is how Rock helped cultivate that reaction at SummerSlam. Few guys could play to a live crowd like Rock. He knew he was dropping the belt and he heard those boos, so he played into them and became a guy you wanted to see lose. It really fed the match a lot and make it a lot "cooler" when Brock won.

The WWE really should have kept Brock floating between both shows and really doubled down on the big man. I'm imagining what Brock vs. Austin or Brock vs. Michaels at Mania XIX could have been like. Or even just Brock vs. Angle with Triple H vs. Michaels underneath.

[Volare]

McAfee vs Cole is gonna be a thing lol.

[Emperor Smeat]

McAfee vs Cole is gonna be a thing lol.

The way they've handled both Lee and Cole since that hyped up Double Champions match has been pretty bad.

Lee's Double title reign didn't even get a chance to get off the ground before he quickly dropped the NA title via a promo. Cole went from being NXT's top guy and being a strong focal point of NXT for the past 1-2 years with Undisputed Era to quickly doing nothing of real note since I seriously doubt this feud with McAfee is going to help him.

[Droford]

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Bayleys supposedly going to use that at WM 37 as her entrance. Its...ok..but not really an entrance theme

[Evil Vito]

Longtime indy wrestler Mitch Ryder has passed away, just days after his 48th birthday

[Gerard]

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Have to feel sorry for the guy, lost both legs and according to him got screwed out of money big time.

[Evil Vito]

Ugh, Kamala's story always makes me sad.

[Evil Vito]

Oh yeah and with his passing......Mitch Ryder had one really good story I remember. Mike Quackenbush was known to send out company wide e-mails to the entire roster critiquing each match from the previous night's show. Well Quack went out of his way to call out Mitch Ryder for wearing "bargain basement" gear so Ryder responded by quitting in front of the entire roster.

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[Bad News Gertner]

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Have to feel sorry for the guy, lost both legs and according to him got screwed out of money big time.

Kamala also burned bridges with every promoter known to man. He would just up and leave anytime he had to do a job

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Well he couldn't work a fucking lick, so all he had was the "aura of invisibility."

[Black Widow]

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[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">here's tony khan at ECW The Doctor Is In<br><br>wearing a huge Taz shirt and holding tiny signs <a href="https://t.co/nNyHr56vqr">https://t.co/nNyHr56vqr</a> <a href="https://t.co/OqKrxnEjdE">pic.twitter.com/OqKrxnEjdE</a></p>&mdash; Maffew #BLM 🏳️█🌈 (@Maffewgregg) <a href="https://twitter.com/Maffewgregg/status/1291067302935494660?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Black Widow]

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[Emperor Smeat]

Apparently Impact Wrestling has an older tv viewership than WWE at least in regards to this year according to the Wrestling Observer Newsletter.

Meltzer did some numbers crunching to find out the current impact the coronavirus has had on televised wrestling and revealed that Impact has the oldest mean viewership age between them, WWE, and AEW.

In terms of WWE and AEW, NXT is the closest to Impact in terms of age.

The average total audience drop, and remember that this is heavily skewed toward those over 50 since with the exception of AEW, every show’s mean is over 50 and Impact is over 60 and NXT is creeping up to it, would be 18.0 percent. Based on that, NXT and AEW have done the best, Impact is under the average and Raw &amp; Smackdown have declined by far the worst.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Smeat. I have to ask...do you actually find those demo breakdowns interesting?

Sorry, I know this is kind of snarky, but I'm not meaning to be (as I'm a fan of your work on the forum). View it as colorful feedback and realize I still consider you an A-plus poster.

Ratings are just so utterly irrelevant at this point. I'd get them being a legitimate talking point if a substantial amount of people watched these shows. However, they don't, and it really offers virtually zero insight and just gets people arguing about nothing. I mainly blame dirtsheet Dave for this inane demo dialogue. Honestly, what are we supposed to do with the fact that of the 7 people who watch Impact, 6 of them are over 50?

[mike adamle]

Gonna go to the ICW No Holds Barred Deathmatch Circus tonight lol

[GD]

I'll side with Dale on this one. Can't seem to care for demos or ratings. But that's just a personal preference.

[Emperor Smeat]

Smeat. I have to ask...do you actually find those demo breakdowns interesting?

Sorry, I know this is kind of snarky, but I'm not meaning to be (as I'm a fan of your work on the forum). View it as colorful feedback and realize I still consider you an A-plus poster.

Ratings are just so utterly irrelevant at this point. I'd get them being a legitimate talking point if a substantial amount of people watched these shows. However, they don't, and it really offers virtually zero insight and just gets people arguing about nothing. I mainly blame dirtsheet Dave for this inane demo dialogue. Honestly, what are we supposed to do with the fact that of the 7 people who watch Impact, 6 of them are over 50?

Yes to a certain degree and mainly in terms of it being a useful way of tracking how wrestling is both doing and heading for the short and long term.

Like almost all of WWE's current woes with ratings can be traced back to their utter failure to turn Cena's young fans into their future new core for TV. The lack of a real "Next Gen" era also didn't help. NXT failing to be that "Next Gen" isn't helping either.

In regards to AEW, I find this stuff a lot more interesting since not only do you get to witness a new wrestling company its early beginnings, the ratings and viewership will help reveal if a next wrestling boom is even possible. The last one only really happened because wrestling managed to get very popular with younger people and an outside company was strong enough to seriously challenge and force WWE to actually change for the better.

I don't really blame Meltzer for the craziness that has become ratings talk online since it just ended up being a microcosm of how social media and the internet has gotten worse or toxic over time for quality discussion. He mentioned before that the only reason he stopped doing detailed ratings stuff after the Attitude Era ended was due to him getting bored over the lack of a notable wrestling war and AEW vs. NXT reigniting that passion he once had for it. He does go a bit overboard with it at times, especially whenever he starts overanalyzing things instead of keeping it simple. All that does is give more ammo for added ridicule and scorn by people who already hate him for various reasons.

[slik]

Apparently Impact Wrestling has an older tv viewership than WWE at least in regards to this year according to the Wrestling Observer Newsletter.

Meltzer did some numbers crunching to find out the current impact the coronavirus has had on televised wrestling and revealed that Impact has the oldest mean viewership age between them, WWE, and AEW.

In terms of WWE and AEW, NXT is the closest to Impact in terms of age.

Interesting!

[slik]

Ratings are just so utterly irrelevant at this point.

That is inaccurate.

TV shows still get deals based on their ratings and still get canceled due to a lack of ratings. RAW dropping 700k viewers from the start of 2020, with no sign of that changing soon, is an interesting story.

NXT and AEW retaining and growing viewership is as well. We're seeing a shrinking of the hard-core base and I'm fascinated to see how low it could go and where it will end up at.

[Gerard]

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JR was really cranky that day :lol:

[Gerard]

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Piper talks about a tape sent to Russo and Bischoff about turning wcw around, always thought that was just bs, apparently not.

Basically a ton of rambling and a scream mask at one point...

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yes to a certain degree and mainly in terms of it being a useful way of tracking how wrestling is both doing and heading for the short and long term.

Like almost all of WWE's current woes with ratings can be traced back to their utter failure to turn Cena's young fans into their future new core for TV. The lack of a real "Next Gen" era also didn't help. NXT failing to be that "Next Gen" isn't helping either.

In regards to AEW, I find this stuff a lot more interesting since not only do you get to witness a new wrestling company its early beginnings, the ratings and viewership will help reveal if a next wrestling boom is even possible. The last one only really happened because wrestling managed to get very popular with younger people and an outside company was strong enough to seriously challenge and force WWE to actually change for the better.

I don't really blame Meltzer for the craziness that has become ratings talk online since it just ended up being a microcosm of how social media and the internet has gotten worse or toxic over time for quality discussion. He mentioned before that the only reason he stopped doing detailed ratings stuff after the Attitude Era ended was due to him getting bored over the lack of a notable wrestling war and AEW vs. NXT reigniting that passion he once had for it. He does go a bit overboard with it at times, especially whenever he starts overanalyzing things instead of keeping it simple. All that does is give more ammo for added ridicule and scorn by people who already hate him for various reasons.

I stopped reading when I got to the the part where you use the ratings to make a blanket statement in regards to the narrative you want to push. Raw is a three-hour show now. But no, it’s got to be that Cena fans weren’t lifers? How simplistic is that?

Ratings still matter insofar as they are made to matter. If the USA Network heads care about them — they matter. But as a measuring tool they’re so archaic. Nielsen themselves states there is a 10% margin of error, since this is all guess work and estimates. And what if a kid watches Raw at his grandparents’ house because they’re the only old fucks with cable they know? They get counted as those “undesirables” that Tony Khan shits on.

What matters is how important you are to a network’s bottom-line. Meltzer has pumped significance into the ratings by presenting them as power levels to a nerdy and obsessive audience. He always has a story of the week then. Raw is falling, SmackDown disappointing, AEW soaring. It’s like if I put out an an environmental newsletter and supplemented my stories with a section about how many birds I saw on my walk re: the health of bird populations.

[Emperor Smeat]

RAW going three hours just compounded that issue with WWE's failure to build a new younger core TV base.

They were already feeling some of the negative effects well before that but the 3 hour era sped the entire process up.

[Mr. Nerfect]

That’s a whole bunch of nothing. Yeah, three hours has affected them. That’s the point. So has Cena leaving, the Attitude era dying, Triple H being on TV, the Chris Benoit incident, cable cutting, streaming services, the UFC, Vince McMahon’s vision (or lack thereof), a butterfly flapping its wings off the coast of Japan, and about one hundred other things.

[Emperor Smeat]

Cena's young fans literally were WWE's most recent chance at building for a future in terms of TV.

Cena was one of the best ever in WWE history when it came to live events and merch sales numbers but also one of the weakest ever top stars in terms of his core fanbase not becoming a new foundation for WWE's future. WWE's shitty booking habits they developed during his era did a ton of damage towards that. Everything post start of PG Era just added to that problem instead of being a separate main cause.

Wrestlenomics' Brandon Thurston did a report on this a couple years ago and discovered the main issue was a big gap had developed within Cena's young TV viewer fanbase. Cena had a very strong pool of young TV viewers but then start leaving en mass after just a couple of years and were not returning in sizable numbers down the line, meaning they very likely stopped being wrestling fans all together.

[slik]

Like almost all of WWE's current woes with ratings can be traced back to their utter failure to turn Cena's young fans into their future new core for TV.


100%

The younger fans they get these days seem to be people who start watching because an older relative, like a parent, does and that number is shrinking.

Neither NXT or AEW really tries to get new fans either, both cater to hardcore fans.

Despite all the big $$$ deals it's one of those situations that will become a bigger problem sooner rather than later if not corrected. I am wondering if WWE's new head honcho will have any ideas on developing a future base rather than trying not to lose more of the existing one, which seems to be the current situation.

[slik]

WWE had two big opportunities to get fans back they'd lost and they blew both chances. RAW 25 was entirely focused on really terrible "comedy" segments starring old wrestlers and gave people little reason to tune in to see today's wrestlers. I remember this was at the height of Braun's popularity as a monster face too and he barely appeared or did much on the show.

The other big chance was the debut of SD on FOX. They front-loaded it with stars of the past and people from RAW who wouldn't be on the show next week and gave viewers little reason to keep coming back. The best solution would have been to front-load with names people knew and also have a clean slate of all storylines and all titles so anyone could jump in. Instead it was the usual you must also watch RAW and order the WWE Network to follow along. The smartest thing possible would have been to make SD as inclusive viewing as possible, with all storylines contained to those 2 hours on FOX each week.

[Emperor Smeat]

100%

The younger fans they get these days seem to be people who start watching because an older relative, like a parent, does and that number is shrinking.

Neither NXT or AEW really tries to get new fans either, both cater to hardcore fans.

Despite all the big $$$ deals it's one of those situations that will become a bigger problem sooner rather than later if not corrected. I am wondering if WWE's new head honcho will have any ideas on developing a future base rather than trying not to lose more of the existing one, which seems to be the current situation.

At least in regards to AEW, they seem to slowly be growing and drawing in younger fans better than before but still too early to make any definitive claims.

Them recently picking up key demo wins over RAW and the slow shift towards Wednesday's as the potential new big night for wrestling could be the start of something major if the trend continues.

NXT might be a lost cause since they just keep getting older instead of younger despite being the type of show that should appeal more to younger wrestling fans compared to RAW and SD.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Cena's young fans literally were WWE's most recent chance at building for a future in terms of TV.

Cena was one of the best ever in WWE history when it came to live events and merch sales numbers but also one of the weakest ever top stars in terms of his core fanbase not becoming a new foundation for WWE's future. WWE's shitty booking habits they developed during his era did a ton of damage towards that. Everything post start of PG Era just added to that problem instead of being a separate main cause.

Wrestlenomics' Brandon Thurston did a report on this a couple years ago and discovered the main issue was a big gap had developed within Cena's young TV viewer fanbase. Cena had a very strong pool of young TV viewers but then start leaving en mass after just a couple of years and were not returning in sizable numbers down the line, meaning they very likely stopped being wrestling fans all together.

Jesus Christ, you do not fucking listen. You just go back to the same robotic points, regardless of whether or not they are reasonable. There is mixed truth in this, which all comes together as a false assessment with conviction behind it.

That is not the correct use of the word "literally." The WWE has a chance to make new fans every week. Cena hasn't been a full-time guy since 2015.

The rest of your post is just irrelevant gibberish and internet talking points and is just going to make me repeat that there are a myriad of factors that have affected the WWE -- which, by the way, is super fucking profitable right now. That's the future Vince McMahon was building to, and it was a success, love or hate the guy.

But you can't stay on topic and just have to keep hitting the same bullshit like it's a fact. There's a big difference between saying that Cena's kids left (no shit) and that Cena's kids leaving has been an "utter failure" to create a core audience. The fuck?

A big part of the move to PG and Cena in general was to make the WWE a big friendly Muppet of a promotion to encourage advertisers and sponsors -- which worked extremely well. Vince McMahon sees your "utter failure" and wipes his big, cummy profit dick all over it.

[Emperor Smeat]

Why are you so dense when it comes to discussing anything related to viewership.

And what part of WWE spending years courting a younger fan base with Cena ended up them failing to convert them into a new tv core base for the future do you not understand. They were leaving en masse while Cena was still there, not just after, because WWE was doing a terrible job keeping them invested for the long term.

Besides trying to shove Reigns into a Cena mold instead of letting him develop into his own thing, that lack of a bridge created by the Cena era contributed just as much to Reigns' struggles in becoming the next mega star for WWE.

WWE being massively profitable these days has a lot more to do with the changes in the TV industry and WWE marketing themselves as a sport than anything they've actually done. WCW had a similar mentality of ignoring all their real problems because they were making record profits only to crash hard when that bubble burst.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Why are you so dense when it comes to discussing anything related to viewership.

And what part of WWE spending years courting a younger fan base with Cena ended up them failing to convert them into a new tv core base for the future do you not understand. They were leaving en masse while Cena was still there, not just after, because WWE was doing a terrible job keeping them invested for the long term.

Besides trying to shove Reigns into a Cena mold instead of letting him develop into his own thing, that lack of a bridge created by the Cena era contributed just as much to Reigns' struggles in becoming the next mega star for WWE.

WWE being massively profitable these days has a lot more to do with the changes in the TV industry and WWE marketing themselves as a sport than anything they've actually done. WCW had a similar mentality of ignoring all their real problems because they were making record profits only to crash hard when that bubble burst.

I’m not the one who parrots Dave Meltzer on these things. I wouldn’t worry about my density. You do realize that the ratings aren’t literal measurements, right?

Was the plan to convert the kids into a long-term fan-base or was it to profit off them short-term and secure big meaty TV rights and family friendly sponsorship deals from him? Because I’d like to see some evidence that it was definitively one and not the other. Ooh, but that ruins the narrative, doesn’t it?

It’d be great if the kids stuck around. No one would argue against that. But to suggest that it was the linchpin of the WWE’s business model is fucking insane, especially when the ratings were falling under Cena anyway. If the idea was to get kids, then actually getting kids might have been a good idea. But the WWE’s business plan wasn’t what you say it is, nor what Meltzer said it was, because Meltzer is selling a story to people like you.

This is hard to except, because Vince McMahon is a cunt and it makes some people feel very stupid, but the man is a genius at readying his product for the marketplace. Some of his business dealings are shady as fuck, but there’s a reason the WWE is mega-profitable right now, and absolutely none of it has to do with WWE “failing” to hook the Cena kids (who were always going to grow up).

Roman Reigns is irrelevant to the conversation, haha. You are just spiralling out into internet talking points like you always do when you get called out and need to scramble to find a borrowed point.

People cannot separate their view of the WWE’s content from their success as a business. They’re uninspired by Brock Lesnar title reign #7 so they make up a story about how the sky is falling and Vince is an idiot because he didn’t push Zack Ryder and let him go to TNA.

[slik]

I have never seen photos of the Rock's business partner/ex-wife Dani Garcia before.


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https://c8.alamy.com/comp/P8CNGY/july-10-2018-new-york-city-new-york-us-producer-and-former-wife-of-dwayne-johnson-dany-garcia-attends-the-new-york-premiere-of-skyscraper-held-at-amc-loews-lincoln-square-credit-image-nancy-kaszerman-via-zuma-wire-P8CNGY.jpg

https://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Premiere+Warner+Bros+Pictures+San+Andreas+uPogjfGYfqgx.jpg

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/P8H4RW/executive-producer-dany-garcia-attends-the-new-york-premiere-of-skyscraper-on-july-10-2018-P8H4RW.jpg

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/MAXY3N/los-angeles-ca-april-4-dany-garcia-at-the-premiere-of-rampage-at-the-microsoft-theater-la-live-in-los-angeles-california-on-april-4-2018-credit-faye-sadoumediapunch-MAXY3N.jpg

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think that’s a more recent transformation for her.

[Seanny One Ball]

Just imagining her having her way with me...

BBR

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

That is inaccurate.

TV shows still get deals based on their ratings and still get canceled due to a lack of ratings. RAW dropping 700k viewers from the start of 2020, with no sign of that changing soon, is an interesting story.

NXT and AEW retaining and growing viewership is as well. We're seeing a shrinking of the hard-core base and I'm fascinated to see how low it could go and where it will end up at.

lol the numbers are fucking putrid and further highlight how niche wrestling is, and how irrelevant WWE is. Nothing but negatives.

[Gerard]

I have never seen photos of the Rock's business partner/ex-wife Dani Garcia before.




Easy to see why she's an Ex i suppose. :shifty:

[screech]

The smartest thing possible would have been to make SD as inclusive viewing as possible, with all storylines contained to those 2 hours on FOX each week.

Kinda related to this: If you have two separate brands, they should be as far apart as possible (in kayfabe, anyway).

That they women's tag team champions can float across brands and that Sasha Banks can carry the RAW Women's championship to SD ruins this for me.

[Maluco]

You just have to take a look at how bad the product is to know that this was no-ones plan. It’s an old guy who has lost his way producing baffling, confusing and, worse still, mindnumbingly boring content.

It’s retained a niche because wrestling always will and WWE is the “Hoover” of wrestling.

[slik]

Kinda related to this: If you have two separate brands, they should be as far apart as possible (in kayfabe, anyway).

That they women's tag team champions can float across brands and that Sasha Banks can carry the RAW Women's championship to SD ruins this for me.

Yeah, I was skimming over SD results and thought about this more:

Why is there a 'RAW/SD/NXT' battle royal to find a challenger for Bayley...

Why does Asuka have to beat Bayley to face Sasha...if she beats Bayley shouldn't she be the SD champ or facing Bayley...

[Mr. Nerfect]

poster emperor smeat made some valid arguments. in response you said a lot of things but it didn't go anywhere. i soon realized that you were just talking negatively about wrestling fandom and journalists like every other post of yours.


you're like that guy at the party who constantly interrupts conversations and never stops talking. in his mind he thinks he's the shit but in reality everyone is waiting for him to leave so they can get back to enjoying the party and each other's company.

Don't interrupt me. You're not the shit. Please leave.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Cena's young fans literally were WWE's most recent chance at building for a future in terms of TV.

Quote in bold for emphasis.

[Mr. Nerfect]

translation: please don’t interrupt me while i suck the joy out of this party and make everyone regret they came here.

Oh please regret coming here. Please, please, please regret coming here.

[Mr. Nerfect]

i don’t regret standing up to you at all. some posters are glad I did so.

:lol:

Maybe you are the shit?!? :eek:

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm not sure if he'll ever be cleared to take bumps again, but Nattie posted a video of Tyson Kidd working out in a ring. Warmed my heart. I always liked TK, but I REALLY warmed up to him when he started putting his personality together in NXT. Was easily one of my favorite acts in all of wrestling.

If he could ever make a comeback, I'd be so fucking down.

[Emperor Smeat]

Yeah, I was skimming over SD results and thought about this more:

Why is there a 'RAW/SD/NXT' battle royal to find a challenger for Bayley...

Why does Asuka have to beat Bayley to face Sasha...if she beats Bayley shouldn't she be the SD champ or facing Bayley...

WWE's booking of their main roster women's division has been a mostly a mess, especially their SD Women's division, ever since both Becky and Charlotte stepped aside for different reasons.

Steph claimed the reason for the Battle Royal is due to all the enemies Bayley has been making on all 3 brands but if that's the case then like only 3 people on NXT have any real issue with her. Two of those 3 would have a better claim if the tag belts were on the line instead.

Wouldn't even need a Battle Royal to find Bayley's next challenger had they not bungled Naomi's push and build to be her next challenger. Right now, nobody on SD looks worthy besides Nikki but she just finished up her feud with Bayley.

[Mr. Nerfect]

WWE's booking of their main roster women's division has been a mostly a mess, especially their SD Women's division, ever since both Becky and Charlotte stepped aside for different reasons.

Steph claimed the reason for the Battle Royal is due to all the enemies Bayley has been making on all 3 brands but if that's the case then like only 3 people on NXT have any real issue with her. Two of those 3 would have a better claim if the tag belts were on the line instead.

Wouldn't even need a Battle Royal to find Bayley's next challenger had they not bungled Naomi's push and build to be her next challenger. Right now, nobody on SD looks worthy besides Nikki but she just finished up her feud with Bayley.

Your explanation is a mess. So there are 3 people on a show Bayley isn’t even on that have a problem with her? That sounds like a lot, considering she isn’t even rostered onto that show.

It’s fucking fine. It’s hollow and uninteresting. But a “mess?” Holy shit. Chill the fuck out. If having a heel champ you need to sashay a new challenger in for is a “mess,” I can’t imagine how you would describe AEW’s women’s division.

Oh wait, it’s probably “brilliant” because Dave Meltzer says it is.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Sorry to “bully you.” I know you don’t deal well with any sort of criticism. I’m genuinely not trying to be mean. But come on, man. Think for yourself.

[Fignuts]

Bill Dundee almost tricked Bobby Eaton into jacking off his dog. Fucking incredible.

[Emperor Smeat]

Your explanation is a mess. So there are 3 people on a show Bayley isn’t even on that have a problem with her? That sounds like a lot, considering she isn’t even rostered onto that show.

It’s fucking fine. It’s hollow and uninteresting. But a “mess?” Holy shit. Chill the fuck out. If having a heel champ you need to sashay a new challenger in for is a “mess,” I can’t imagine how you would describe AEW’s women’s division.

Oh wait, it’s probably “brilliant” because Dave Meltzer says it is.

What's with you thinking everything I talk about wrestling comes from or is influenced by Meltzer.

That problem with Bayley is what Steph stated on SD last night as the reason for making the upcoming Battle Royal a three-brand match instead of just focusing on SD.

WWE's main roster women's division being a mess comes from actually watching these shows the past few months and seeing WWE wasting a golden opportunity to properly build up others lower on the ladder and improve the quality of their RAW and SD divisions.

AEW Women's division is just as poorly booked because of a mix of injuries and them not getting enough quality tv time to develop into a strong division after all these months.

[Mr. Nerfect]

What's with you thinking everything I talk about wrestling comes from or is influenced by Meltzer.

That problem with Bayley is what Steph stated on SD last night as the reason for making the upcoming Battle Royal a three-brand match instead of just focusing on SD.

WWE's main roster women's division being a mess comes from actually watching these shows the past few months and seeing WWE wasting a golden opportunity to properly build up others lower on the ladder and improve the quality of their RAW and SD divisions.

AEW Women's division is just as poorly booked because of a mix of injuries and them not getting enough quality tv time to develop into a strong division after all these months.

Because you assume his default internet position, which is not only unoriginal, but it's actually unfounded. I don't have to watch to know that the stories on SmackDown have been Mandy Rose and Sonya Deville as well as Alexa Bliss & Nikki Cross vs. Sasha Banks & Bayley. It's a two hour show. Those are functional, if boring and shitty, stories right there. It's not a "mess." It's actually quite tidy. The messiest thing has been changing Lacey Evans' gimmick back and forth. But that's whatever, because she's the shits.

I don't know what you expect a Women's Division on a WWE show to be? How many women characters should they focus on? 16? 32? They need a new challenger now so they're setting up a new challenger. It's in the laziest way possible, but it makes "sense" strictly speaking. Bayley has been fucking around everywhere so Stephanie, who seems to have an issue with these ladies, is going to announce open season on her. How is that messy? You have a few women who matter on SmackDown, and it looks like they might be losing Sasha, so they're going to get a new one in. Big whoop.

To complain that there aren't a billion women doing round robin matches each week is pretty markish. And what would you scrap in favor of these Iron Woman matches to create an unlimited batch of women stars?

[Emperor Smeat]

I don't give a shit what his default position is or even his views on women's wrestling which have not been that good either considering some of the recent stuff he's said.

If I'm going to discuss stuff about wrestling from watching it, its going to be based on what I've seen and not because you think all I do is just parrot him.

All I've wanted or expect for WWE's women's wrestling is something more enjoyable and entertaining than what they have been doing in general since post-Mania. NXT gives me that satisfaction for the most part but main roster leaves a ton to desire.

If you find what they are doing is entertaining then good for you. Same for anyone else as well since at least that means they are enjoying WWE and wrestling during these tough times.

[screech]

"It's fucking fine" but it's also hollow and uninteresting?

If it's not interesting, it's not really fine either. It's at the very least convoluted because WWE can't stick to the simple concept of keeping the brands separate.

[screech]

I've only watched Dynamite for AEW lately, so I'm not sure what's up on Dark or this tag tourney. But the women haven't really been featured much lately, have they?

(Though I guess injuries and a pandemic will force some changes everywhere.)

[Emperor Smeat]

Just the usual segment and/or match for them which has been the case more often than not in recent times.

Injuries to some key players and the pandemic messing things and blocking out their foreign-based talent has done a number to the division's direction but even so, AEW's booking of their women's division and what they have at hand hasn't been that good.

The first night of their women's tag tournament has done a pretty good number on Youtube but no reason at all why they didn't bother just having it be on Dynamite since that would be something very meaningful for the division on tv.

If I had to compare, AEW Women's division is like NXT's tag division early into its post-seasonal era. Both were the biggest weak points of their shows and in NXT's case, took a long while for it to improve and only after they started putting some real long term effort into it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

this is condescension at its finest. it is clear that emperor smeat watches a lot of wrestling and his opinion is far more nuanced and valuable. so what if it coincides with the popular opinion? doesn't make it any less true.

he also contributes a great deal to this board whereas all you bring to the table is negativity and detestable toxic energy.

:lol:

Smeat does not have a nuanced opinion. And his way of interpreting news is just not true. It's easy to dismiss with reason. It's great he takes the time to collate the sheets and post them. I've thanked him for that. But the commentary he shares (not even sure if his own) just doesn't make sense a lot of the time these days.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Again, not saying that to knock the guy. He's allowed to have whatever opinion he wants, but I'm going to clear up disinformation if I see it.

[screech]

For anyone who doesn't feel like reading essays: It seems that Noid, who admits to not watching WWE, is trying to lecture Smeat, who watches every week, on how the product is shitty. But also it's not shitty because it's fucking fine.

Also something something Dave Meltzer, I don't know.

[screech]

Is that giant ninja still around on RAW? I can't remember if he made the Hulu cut last week. That guy is awesome.

https://www.ringsidenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/giant-ninja-8.jpg

[slik]

Giant Ninja was Shane's bodyguard for about 10 seconds on RAW this week.

[screech]

That's good he was there

[Mr. Nerfect]

For anyone who doesn't feel like reading essays: It seems that Noid, who admits to not watching WWE, is trying to lecture Smeat, who watches every week, on how the product is shitty. But also it's not shitty because it's fucking fine.

Also something something Dave Meltzer, I don't know.

AEW drove me to watch more highlights, just to do a compare and contrast. Watching every week doesn’t mean you know more. The content is largely shitty in execution, but some of the ideas aren’t shit in conception. There are also realities about their business model that internet smarks have trouble gripping or deliberately ignore.

How the AEW/NXT “war” has been presented has been a big tipping point for me. So much misreading and projecting contrary to reason. Which, by the way, no one argues with me on. BigCrippyZ calls me a cocksucker and Smeat cries when I point out something he has shared is just obviously and blatantly wrong. But no one actually gets in and discusses the points, because they know I’m right.

People just like the hardcore fan narrative of the WWE is evil, dying and bad. There are truths in there without saying things like the SmackDowm Women’s Division is a mess. It’s being built around Bayley right now. That is its entire purpose. Whatever Smeat is going on about — a failure to create other contenders or whatever — is honestly fucking markish. It’s a one-woman vehicle right now, with Mandy Rose and Sonya’s stupid drama being the other emphasis. Am I wrong about that?

[screech]

Yes, exactly that

[Corporate CockSnogger]

From what I gather on TPWW now regarding AEW, there’s a few types of posters

- you’ve got a handful of people who watch and comment regularly and enjoy the show. These posters are enjoying the show and the product for the most part, without going overboard. This is the likes of Smeat, silk, Triple A (who hates the audio) and some others
- then there’s posters like myself who have been watching and dip in and out of the forum here and there cause they’re not really bothered about wrestling much any more but catch the occasional bit. This would include myself, Screech and Supreme and prob some others. I dunno.
- then there’s literally Noid on his own, posting more about AEW than the people who are actually watching it. Spending so much time posting on a wrestling forum about how he hates this particular wrestling show. It’s quite weird. I saw him post something about all wrestling fans being “neckbeards” the other day or something. From an outside perspective (Someone not posting regularly, but occasionally checking in) he 100% comes across as more of a “neckbeard” or virgin/loser/gimp whatever than anyone else on the forum lol. He’s become Kane Knight.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Also lol I also saw Screech said something about him quitting the forum because people on the forum were Alexa Bliss fans

[Corporate CockSnogger]

ALSO ALSO if Rastafarianman is anyone other than Heyman I am renouncing my membership at The PWW

[Volare]

Cool I'm on Team...TripleSmeatSilk!?!

[Droford]

Is that giant ninja still around on RAW? I can't remember if he made the Hulu cut last week. That guy is awesome.

https://www.ringsidenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/giant-ninja-8.jpg

super black ninja vs the whole group that took over raw in a handicap match

[Mr. Nerfect]

Wahhhhh, why doesn’t Noid stop making us feel bad. Wahhhhh.

Fucking pussies.

[Mr. Nerfect]

is this a defense mechanism that old people resort to when they get called out?

No, it’s what these boards warrant. Does anyone have a fucking thought in their head here? Gertner and Destor discuss old wrestling and are great. #1-wwf-fan is smart and tries to add to discussion. Everyone else is so fucking stupid and whiny though. You guys barely even talk about wrestling — you’re more hung up on me and what I think.

If you don’t like it, fucking argue a point. But that’s too hard for the fucking cretins left here. All they’ve got is “Lol Noid spends a lot of time talking about wrestling on a wrestling board.” No fucking shit. That’s what it’s here for, fuckwits.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I barely read your posts. I want interesting discussion, not a troll’s half-baked attempts to sound coherent between attempts to bait me. Come on, dude. Try better.

[screech]

lol "this show I don't watch is awful, here's 7 paragraphs explaining why no one should enjoy it" is not discussion. It's the forum version of speaking to hear your own voice.

[screech]

You engage with #1-wwf-fan because he has agreed with you. Anyone who doesn't gets the "well you're just a loser who likes this show I hate so you're not worth my time" routine.

People discuss the current product, good or bad, as they watch it. You complain about it after reading results & watching clips of segments

[screech]

Just remembered I haven't watched SD yet. I hope that "Jeff Hardy is a junkie" angle is actually over. I get that real life shit makes better stories, but that one just didn't hit with me.

Interested to see if this Chad Gable as King Corbin's hired gun continues. Not a big fan of Corbin (he's just not for me) but Gable is great and I want him to have an actual thing to do.

[screech]

I wish the giant ninja guy was on SD too

[screech]

After watching SD with the Retribution stuff, I wish even more that they had the giant ninja.

Ninjas make everything cool.

[Bad News Gertner]

I love these forums so much :heart:

[Volare]

After watching SD with the Retribution stuff, I wish even more that they had the giant ninja.

Ninjas make everything cool.

Giant ninja swinging a chainsaw would've been 100% better!

[screech]

Right? No one is going to fuck with a giant ninja swinging a chainsaw!

[Vastardikai]

Right? No one is going to fuck with a giant ninja swinging a chainsaw!

I had to post this on my facebook, without context. Because it is an incredible statement that stands on its own.

[#1-norm-fan]

You engage with #1-wwf-fan because he has agreed with you. Anyone who doesn't gets the "well you're just a loser who likes this show I hate so you're not worth my time" routine.

I lean much more towards AEW failing at being the alternative we need in wrestling than I do toward it being very good. But on the Noid vs everyone argument I find myself siding with “everyone” because Noid tends to take it too far. Like... he seems to find bad reasons to shit on AEW when there are plenty of GOOD reasons. He’s not nearly as bad as xrod when it comes to that. But he posts more and he’s more popular so he gets shit on more for it.

Anyway, I think the fact that I’m the overall voice of reason on TPWW is why I’m able to engage with Noid despite not being “Team Noid”.

[screech]

I mean there are definitely problems with AEW, and I think lots of people here who watch it will admit to that. Part of the...fervor? sure, is WWE burnout and at least it's SOMETHING even if it isn't perfect.

You are 1-0 in real TPWW fights, so of course you're able to engage.

[screech]

I had to post this on my facebook, without context. Because it is an incredible statement that stands on its own.

lol happy to help!

[slik]

Someone check on Cornette


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[Emperor Smeat]

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[slik]

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[Emperor Smeat]

Good for the NWA since out of the notable big promotions in the US, they were suffering the most money-wise from the coronavirus pandemic.

[Volare]

That is good news for once!

[Emperor Smeat]

Championship Wrestling from Hollywood is the biggest winner out of that deal since they are a member of United Wrestling Network and now are going to be working on two notable wrestling television series at the same time.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Weekly PPVs are not a good idea. Progress is progress, but they need to beef up a bit.

[drave]

Worked okay in the past.

[Volare]

Someone is taking this serious...

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