"100,001" Replies (Wrestling Forum)

[Droford]

I'd argue TNA is worth more to WWE for the back catalog of matches they could upload to the network highlighting half of the NXT rosters past lol

[Shadrick]

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I marked out.

[Droford]

30 years ago today, the WWF pairs one of the most iconic commentary teams ever for the first time at a Wrestling Challenge taping in Salisbury, Maryland. That team: Gorilla Monsoon and Bobby "The Brain" Heenan.


My town wooo

[Simple Fan]

Really intrigued by this TNA news. Probably know something by Bound for Glory as they'll have tapings after that they probably can't afford.

WWE buying them would be great as it would get a decent tape library. Probably wouldn't want a lot of the talent but could pick through who they wanted. They talked about wanting another NXT type promotion so maybe WWE just uses it for that. Like I said feel like the X Division would fit right in to NXT(I can see the yellow belt now) and would be a great mid card title for NXT.

ROH buying them would be cool as well. Sinclair could run them as TNA or merge them with ROH. Merger would probably be best so Ring of Honor could take that next step. They would add a lot of depth to the roster and beef up there main event scene.

Corgan getting full control wouldn't be bad either but is probably the option I would least like to see. He's came in and out some life into the product and is trying some different things like the Impact Grand Championship. He seems to have a vision and really wants to turn TNA around. Most definitely seems like Dixie Carter is out so that's a positive either way it goes.

[Nicky Fives]

$40 million for TNA is absurd. It's lucky to be worth 1/4 of that.

[BigCrippyZ]

Yeah, I don't think I would even pay $5,000,000 for TNA at this point.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

The 40 is rumored to be debt not value.

[Simple Fan]

No it's not, they took that estimate from WWEs revenue and it had nothing to do with TNAs actual value.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Kevin Sullivan had nothing to do with Lethal/Cole, he's only been involved with the Corino/Whitmer/Punisher Martinez angle.

Kevin Kelly is already part of the creative team, and is basically starting to take over for Delirious as he gains more responsibility.

And Ivory in late 2016 is not an eye opener. She was never good to begin with and hasn't wrestled in ten years. How would she be worthy of pushing? Everyone talks about how signing WWE rejects doesn't help... you want to bring in Ivory to help ROH???? :wtf::wtf::wtf:

How do you know? Sullivan has hinted on his podcast that he's been interacting backstage with a lot of the guys. It could just be him and MSL putting him over, but the shaving of the hair thing is very Sullivan-esque.

I didn't know that about Kevin Kelly. Thanks for sharing that. It's a shame you ruin it by completely not understanding what I was saying about Ivory. If English is not your first language, I apologize.

...What does Ivory know about booking...:wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf:

I don't know, honestly. But you do realize that wrestlers used to book wrestling, right? I picked her out because I was thinking of women that are knowledgeable about the business and have ring experience because I'd like to see a woman in charge. Ivory once out-worked Triple H in wrestler's court. She's always come off as a woman who knows what she is doing and has been able to take her ego out of things -- see how she did her best to put Chyna over -- and because of how she has spoken about Triple H in the past, I don't think she's at risk of jumping ship the moment she gets any traction (if that did happen).

[Mr. Nerfect]

If that Fabian Aichner? He looked like the next Randy Orton in the CWC.

Nah. This guy is 6'7. Dan Matha is his name. He's a former football player, but he actually sought training himself though, starting in OVW. He recently cut a promo at an NXT house show where he allegedly came off as being quite confident on the mic and in front of a crowd.

He'd be a long way off, but if he's a natural, his size and look should give him an edge over guys that look like they're off the street.

[Bad News Gertner]

How do you know? Sullivan has hinted on his podcast that he's been interacting backstage with a lot of the guys. It could just be him and MSL putting him over, but the shaving of the hair thing is very Sullivan-esque.

I didn't know that about Kevin Kelly. Thanks for sharing that. It's a shame you ruin it by completely not understanding what I was saying about Ivory. If English is not your first language, I apologize.



I don't know, honestly. But you do realize that wrestlers used to book wrestling, right? I picked her out because I was thinking of women that are knowledgeable about the business and have ring experience because I'd like to see a woman in charge. Ivory once out-worked Triple H in wrestler's court. She's always come off as a woman who knows what she is doing and has been able to take her ego out of things -- see how she did her best to put Chyna over -- and because of how she has spoken about Triple H in the past, I don't think she's at risk of jumping ship the moment she gets any traction (if that did happen).

Sullivan tells tales

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah, I don't think I would even pay $5,000,000 for TNA at this point.

Lol, funny you say that -- Dave Meltzer said the real worth is about $4,000,000.

This seems out of character for "I wish to god there was a real alternative" me, but I'd actually like to see TNA purchased by the WWE. The success of AJ Styles and Bobby Roode has made me think that TNA was at least useful for giving some of these guys experience. I'm not sure if the WWE would keep TNA open as a sort of feeder promotion, as I'm sure they'd likely just fold it, but there is some talent worth plucking.

ROH purchasing it would be interesting. Something seems...bland about ROH at the moment. It might help them to have access to stars like Jeff Hardy and Bobby Lashley. If you put the ROH and TNA rosters together, you do end up with something looking really good.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Sullivan tells tales

Oh yeah. But he appeared on screen, so we can at least assume he was there.

[Volare]

I miss matches like this.


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[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Yeah I miss matches where Kevin Nash doesn't break his quad.

[Nicky Fives]

The 40 is rumored to be debt not value.

There's no way they are $40 mill in debt, if they were, they'd have taken tons of short-term loans to pay off talent and there'd never be rumors of late payments.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I miss matches like this.


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Random Hillary Clinton reference by JR. Was she topical at that point in time?

Trish always wonderful.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Weird to see Kevin Nash putting over Test for some reason. I don't know why.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I've not been enjoying RAW lately, but I'm actually intrigued to see Clash of Champions. I think the card is shaping up to be really interesting:

* Owens vs. Rollins
* Jericho vs. Zayn
* Reigns vs. Rusev
* Charlotte vs. Sasha
* New Day vs. Gallows & Anderson
* Bayley vs. Dana Brooke?
* Cruiserweight match
* Enzo & Cass vs. Shining Stars

From an in-ring perspective, that should be a varied and fun show. I'm also curious to see how it stacks up against Backlash. Given that RAW and SmackDown air different nights and have a different duration, I'm not sure how much "competition" there is between the two shows, but I can imagine there being some creative tension when it comes to just how the PPVs deliver proportionately in terms of response and the number of times they get viewed on the Network.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Who else would be intrigued by an Undertaker vs. Luke Harper program heading into WrestleMania next year?

[Hanso Amore]

No One

[Vastardikai]

Who else would be intrigued by an Undertaker vs. Luke Harper program heading into WrestleMania next year?

You are reading my mind. I was on board with this for years. As a way to set him up as a separate entity from Wyatt.

[#1-norm-fan]

I guess it would make Harper stand out. But he would probably lose and it would lead nowhere. Also, I just can't get into Taker at WrestleMania now. As long as he had the streak he could get brought out in a wheelchair and the match would have a big fight feel and I'd be into it for the potential iconic moment. Now I couldn't care less.

[Rammsteinmad]

Weird to see Kevin Nash putting over Test for some reason. I don't know why.

I remember back in the 90's beating someone like Nash would be a big thing.

Test beating Nash in 2003 didn't really seem a big deal. I didn't even know it happened until I saw that video just now.

[Jordan]

Who else would be intrigued by an Undertaker vs. Luke Harper program heading into WrestleMania next year?

I would enjoy that but I'd prefer to see Undertaker vs AJ Styles tbh. He's one of the last guys that can send Taker off in style, though Cena could be good for Taker as well.

I think Harper vs Strowman or Harper vs Wyatt would be dope.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Until I hear different I assume Taker is retired.

[Cool King]

Random Hillary Clinton reference by JR. Was she topical at that point in time?

She had just released her autobiography around that time.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Was that around the time she was running for Senate?

[Rammsteinmad]

Don't wanna see Undertaker anywhere near Wrestlemania anymore. Having AJ Styles face him at Wrestlemania 33 would be a waste of AJ Styles.

[slik]

Feel like if I was 10 years old I would still find this stupid...


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[Emperor Smeat]

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[James Steele]

They need to do Taker vs Cena at WM33 and let him ride off into the sunset.

[Tom Guycott]

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Hidden track featuring Guerillas of Destiny, Tamina, and Meng.

[Black Widow]

Feel like if I was 10 years old I would still find this stupid...


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[Lock Jaw]

They need to do Taker vs Cena at WM33 and let him ride off into the sunset.

Ride, you say?

Rapper Cena vs Biker Taker only

[Cool King]

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I'd listen to #6.

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[Emperor Smeat]

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[Kris P Lettus]

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[Lock Jaw]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

That pop when Dean Malenko pulls off the Ciclope mask at Slamboree '98.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I know people here love Owens, but I was thinking the other day -- if he decided to step out of full-time competition, he'd make an AMAZING manager. Like, the next Bobby Heenan, and I try not to throw that around too much.

[Cool King]

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A part of me wants to find that exact photo on the internet somewhere, print it, put it in a frame similar to that one and then hang it on my wall.

[Nicky Fives]

I know people here love Owens, but I was thinking the other day -- if he decided to step out of full-time competition, he'd make an AMAZING manager. Like, the next Bobby Heenan, and I try not to throw that around too much.

Very high praise, but a very accurate statement.

[mike adamle]

I know people here love Owens, but I was thinking the other day -- if he decided to step out of full-time competition, he'd make an AMAZING manager. Like, the next Bobby Heenan, and I try not to throw that around too much.

Yeah I can see it now. If Noid were Vince then he'd have the head of creative, Ivory, come to Kevin and sit down with him. "Now Kevin, I know you are in the prime of your career and your entire life goal was to wrestle for the WWE, but we think it's time you hang up the boots. Now as you know, I've been pushing for Epico to main event, but he's just lacking that one thing. And that one thing is you. Instead of you main eventing these next few years as a wrestler, you're going to main event managing Epico!!!"

I'm sure Kevin would love that... :wtf::wtf::wtf::roll::roll::roll:

[Volare]

This should make yalls Monday better.

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[Innovator]

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[Simple Fan]

:)I know people here love Owens, but I was thinking the other day -- if he decided to step out of full-time competition, he'd make an AMAZING manager. Like, the next Bobby Heenan, and I try not to throw that around too much.

Maybe in 10 years after he's lost a step or two in the ring but the guy is to talented to take out of the ring. WWE does need more managers that were former wrestlers though. JBL would be make good one I think.

[mike adamle]

How do you know? Sullivan has hinted on his podcast that he's been interacting backstage with a lot of the guys. It could just be him and MSL putting him over, but the shaving of the hair thing is very Sullivan-esque.

I didn't know that about Kevin Kelly. Thanks for sharing that. It's a shame you ruin it by completely not understanding what I was saying about Ivory. If English is not your first language, I apologize.



I don't know, honestly. But you do realize that wrestlers used to book wrestling, right? I picked her out because I was thinking of women that are knowledgeable about the business and have ring experience because I'd like to see a woman in charge. Ivory once out-worked Triple H in wrestler's court. She's always come off as a woman who knows what she is doing and has been able to take her ego out of things -- see how she did her best to put Chyna over -- and because of how she has spoken about Triple H in the past, I don't think she's at risk of jumping ship the moment she gets any traction (if that did happen).

....Calm down. First off, Adam Cole also shaved Michael Elgin's head a year or two ago. Was that also Kevin Sullivan's doing? Just trying to inform you instead of you making baseless comments like Kevin Sullivan being responsible for Adam Cole shaving Jay Lethal's head.

What didn't I understand about you saying "Ivory immediatley comes to mind as a woman who should be given a chance to run the creative team of ROH."? I do get that plenty of former wrestlers are given backstage roles as agents and some are thrown in creative. Almost all of those wrestlers have been continually in the business as well. Michael Hayes has almost never had a break. Dutch Mantell who you always praise hasn't really had a break. Joey Mercury hasn't really ever had a break. Ivory hasn't been a part of the wrestling business since 2006, and that was a small tour, before that was basically 2003. Talk about making no sense.

She out worked Triple H in wrestler's court. Okay. So what? Everyone always looks at that as the most lame, childish stuff that no one takes seriously.

And come on. She did her best to put over Chyna, former member of the biggest stable in WWE history, DX, and the first female Intercontinental Champion, who was put over by Chris Jericho, and I could be wrong on the timeline here but I think she was either in the middle of or already had her Latino Heat angle with Eddie Guerrero... she needed Ivory to make her look good?

And her talking shit about Triple H is just the reason to keep her away. If she's gonna burn her bridge and reveal drama with the biggest bridge you can have, what kinda dirt is she gonna reveal from your camp?

[Emperor Smeat]

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[Droford]

A part of me wants to find that exact photo on the internet somewhere, print it, put it in a frame similar to that one and then hang it on my wall.

As close as I could find

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[Emperor Smeat]

Prince Puma/Ricochet recently teased on Twitter he has something special set for 2017 and it doesn't involve going to the WWE, NXT, ROH, or TNA.

Being rumored he either signed a new deal with Lucha Underground or gotten a full-time contract with NJPW. If he signed a new deal with LU, might be using the Ricochet name for future seasons.

For some reference, he is still tied to LU till the end of Season 3 (mid-2017) due to how his LU contract was structured in terms of promotions with tv shows at least in the US and maybe Mexico.

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[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah I can see it now. If Noid were Vince then he'd have the head of creative, Ivory, come to Kevin and sit down with him. "Now Kevin, I know you are in the prime of your career and your entire life goal was to wrestle for the WWE, but we think it's time you hang up the boots. Now as you know, I've been pushing for Epico to main event, but he's just lacking that one thing. And that one thing is you. Instead of you main eventing these next few years as a wrestler, you're going to main event managing Epico!!!"

I'm sure Kevin would love that... :wtf::wtf::wtf::roll::roll::roll:

:lol:

[Mr. Nerfect]

....Calm down. First off, Adam Cole also shaved Michael Elgin's head a year or two ago. Was that also Kevin Sullivan's doing? Just trying to inform you instead of you making baseless comments like Kevin Sullivan being responsible for Adam Cole shaving Jay Lethal's head.

What didn't I understand about you saying "Ivory immediatley comes to mind as a woman who should be given a chance to run the creative team of ROH."? I do get that plenty of former wrestlers are given backstage roles as agents and some are thrown in creative. Almost all of those wrestlers have been continually in the business as well. Michael Hayes has almost never had a break. Dutch Mantell who you always praise hasn't really had a break. Joey Mercury hasn't really ever had a break. Ivory hasn't been a part of the wrestling business since 2006, and that was a small tour, before that was basically 2003. Talk about making no sense.

She out worked Triple H in wrestler's court. Okay. So what? Everyone always looks at that as the most lame, childish stuff that no one takes seriously.

And come on. She did her best to put over Chyna, former member of the biggest stable in WWE history, DX, and the first female Intercontinental Champion, who was put over by Chris Jericho, and I could be wrong on the timeline here but I think she was either in the middle of or already had her Latino Heat angle with Eddie Guerrero... she needed Ivory to make her look good?

And her talking shit about Triple H is just the reason to keep her away. If she's gonna burn her bridge and reveal drama with the biggest bridge you can have, what kinda dirt is she gonna reveal from your camp?

Wasn't aware of that angle. Cool. I didn't say that he was, I suggested that he might have some creative input because he's there, and I'd like to see his brain picked, because ROH could use something different. It could have been Delirious or the dude that decides the price of popcorn for all I know. Maybe it is you that ought to calm down a bit?

You've misquoted me dramatically. I said I'd be interested in seeing a woman given the chance to book something close to being a major North American promotion -- and no, I don't consider Stephanie McMahon a "booker." Ivory came to mind because you're not going to get fucking Trish Stratus to do that, are you?

Maybe having a break is a good thing sometimes? The wrestler's court point was just a point about her being a quick-witted and intelligent woman. It doesn't mean she could book, but there's more clues to indicate she could contribute than, say, Christy Hemme *coughloltna*.

The Chyna point went way over your head. I wasn't saying that Chyna was only over because of Ivory. I was observing that Ivory knew -- or at least went along with the plan -- to get squashed despite being a better overall wrestler than Chyna. She knew the story to tell. People actually thought she was a no mark because she got destroyed by Chyna so well -- you yourself admitted to that earlier. Brilliant work on her behalf.

You can choose to see her comments on Triple H as destructive, but I appreciate she doesn't kiss ass looking for a job back and tells it like it is.

[Mr. Nerfect]

:)

Maybe in 10 years after he's lost a step or two in the ring but the guy is to talented to take out of the ring. WWE does need more managers that were former wrestlers though. JBL would be make good one I think.

JBL would make a tremendous manager. He's kind of staled on commentary, so I'd like to see him start his own little group. He'd be wonderful as the money behind The Revival.

[Mr. Nerfect]

What does everybody think of Mojo Rawley? I was never high on the guy, and I absolutely hate his current gimmick and pairing with Zack Ryder, but I think there's something there. If there is, I think it'll come out as a heel, so I'm looking forward to the eventual turn on Ryder, but with The Usos and probably Ziggler, there are quite a few turns going on. Maybe try running with him as a babyface for a little bit?

I really wouldn't mind someone taking out Zack Ryder and then Rawley stepping up to them. I think if Rawley is pushed hard enough, the crowds will revolt and then you can turn him with some oomph behind it. I'm not sure who their plan for the next IC Champion is, but I could see value to the idea of giving the strap to Rawley for a bit -- especially if the end game is an eventual heel turn, as The Miz seems to be garnering some good will at the moment.

[Heisenberg]

Mojo reminds me of a couple guys I served with that we kept the drugs and booze away from. He's midcard and happy to be there doing his job.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don't know, he seems like a driven guy. What's the word I'm looking for?

[Heisenberg]

ripe?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Maybe. Might sound a little like that.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Type?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Randy Orton not a fan of the fist-raising during the American National Anthem, according to his Twitter account. He states that courage is what it takes to stand and fight, not just raise a fist. Think Orton's angling for another shot at starring in The Marine?

[Heisenberg]

Gripe?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Tripe?

[Evil Vito]

I think Mojo could have some success as a solo act. I think I'd prefer him to be face rather than a heel, though. Maybe Ryder can be the one turning on him, re-aligning with Curt Hawkins because we all know they're going to give up within a matter of weeks on making Hawkins a big deal as a solo guy.

[Mr. Nerfect]

My problem with Mojo Rawley as a face act is that he's such a pristine golden boy type. He's the dude that works hard, shows up every day, does well in school, does well in sports, gets all the girls, etc. It'll be hard for the neckbeards of the world to get into a guy who is such a winner at life who is also probably really humble and listens to whoever his coach is.

Obviously generalizations as I don't know the man, but that's how his history has been presented. It's easy to resent an overachiever like that. I'm not saying he's going to be the next Rock or anything, but that's sort of the blueprint I'd use with Rawley. Push him as a face, let the fans revolt, turn him heel and roll with the punches. Maybe in time he'll become "cool" enough to turn face again and give a solid run on that front.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think Mojo could have some success as a solo act. I think I'd prefer him to be face rather than a heel, though. Maybe Ryder can be the one turning on him, re-aligning with Curt Hawkins because we all know they're going to give up within a matter of weeks on making Hawkins a big deal as a solo guy.

I've got no clue what they are even trying to achieve with Hawkins. I assume he's meant to be a heel because he's cocky, but he's cracking jokes all the time, so I guess he's supposed to be face? I dunno. I like him well enough in the ring, even if I suppose he is unremarkable. I always thought he was smoother than Ryder. I liked that body slam with stank he does.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Mojo Fact: Mojo was called "The Iron Sheik" when he was a football player, because of his strength.

God damn, would Iron Sheik as Mojo Rawley's "coach" not be 1000x times better than Bob Backlund as Darren Young's life coach...

[Evil Vito]

I think the "Curt Hawkins Facts" just reek of cocky heel. My fear though is that he's going to walk out to crickets during his debut because nobody knows what the fuck he's supposed to be yet and the people who have watched long enough only know him as a jobber.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think that is EXACTLY what is going to happen. Maybe he'll prove us all wrong and win the IC Title at No Mercy and prove that title belts chase Curt Hawkins?

[Evil Vito]

I kinda don't ever want to see Miz lose the IC Title at this point. But I would be all for giving Hawkins a proper match at No Mercy if they actually want to make a big deal of him.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Apparently a few guys have been knocking back WWE offers because they don't really want to go on the road again just to job. I'm not sure how valid those reports are, but it wouldn't surprise me to see Vince reward the guys who do take him up on his offer so people in the future don't dare knock him back when his representatives call.

I'm sure there are a few reasons Heath Slater & Rhyno got the tag belts -- among them Rhyno being on the right side of Vince McMahon's politics, Heath Slater getting over and Vince generally enjoying the yucks -- but it wouldn't surprise me if it's a "thanks for actually coming in" reward for Rhyno.

[Evil Vito]

Remember that one episode of SmackDown where Curt Hawkins and Tyler Reks did a striptease dance and it literally never got mentioned on TV again after that? What the fuck was that all about?

[Mr. Nerfect]

I kinda don't ever want to see Miz lose the IC Title at this point. But I would be all for giving Hawkins a proper match at No Mercy if they actually want to make a big deal of him.

Against who though? The singles guys that aren't tied up in programs right now are Kane and Jack Swagger -- I can't see Hawkins going over Kane and Swagger needs wins of his own.

I guess that maybe Curt Hawkins beating Dolph Ziggler at No Mercy could be the straw that finally breaks the camel's back on that front. I could see them running Ryder vs. Hawkins and getting Ryder to do the honors too, but beating Ryder really doesn't mean much at this point.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Remember that one episode of SmackDown where Curt Hawkins and Tyler Reks did a striptease dance and it literally never got mentioned on TV again after that? What the fuck was that all about?

I think Tyler Reks quit the company because he wanted to spend time with his son, and he probably came to the conclusion that he was never going to go anywhere with the company. This left Hawkins without anything to do and he was let go too.

I think the idea was that they were going to try out different tag team gimmicks on the main roster to try and get over. Basically TAFKA Goldust sort of stuff.

[Mr. Nerfect]

If they brought back Reks there'd at least be someone for Hawkins to team up with to fight The Hype Bros.

[Evil Vito]

Against who though? The singles guys that aren't tied up in programs right now are Kane and Jack Swagger -- I can't see Hawkins going over Kane and Swagger needs wins of his own.

I guess that maybe Curt Hawkins beating Dolph Ziggler at No Mercy could be the straw that finally breaks the camel's back on that front. I could see them running Ryder vs. Hawkins and getting Ryder to do the honors too, but beating Ryder really doesn't mean much at this point.

Actually, Hawkins going over Ziggler doesn't seem like a bad idea at all. Even though he seems to shit the bed in his PPV matches all the time, the crowd still seems to give some semblance of a shit about Dolph and it'll give him more of a reason to go over the edge and turn heel.

The only concern there is that SmackDown could get quite crowded on the heel side. Unless Hawkins/Ziggler is presented as face vs. face or they do a double-turn.

[Evil Vito]

Swagger needs wins but if his first feud ends up being with Baron Corbin as expected I have to think Baron's coming out on top. It might just turn out that they brought Swagger to SmackDown solely to give Corbin a low carder to go over while they try to figure out where he should go next (aka same thing they are doing with Braun Strowman/Sin Cara on Raw).

[Evil Vito]

Actually mentioning Sin Cara.....Kalisto vs. Curt Hawkins oddly intrigues me. I actually think those two could have some damn good matches and it makes me sad that Kalisto is buried with nothing to do. I know he's been nursing a back injury but that could be a decent program once he returns.

Or they could do the logical thing (lol) and have Kalisto's contract expire so he can go to the Raw and the Cruiserweight division.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Actually, Hawkins going over Ziggler doesn't seem like a bad idea at all. Even though he seems to shit the bed in his PPV matches all the time, the crowd still seems to give some semblance of a shit about Dolph and it'll give him more of a reason to go over the edge and turn heel.

The only concern there is that SmackDown could get quite crowded on the heel side. Unless Hawkins/Ziggler is presented as face vs. face or they do a double-turn.

Hawkins/Ziggler as a heel team? I'm pretty sure they are going with Ziggler turning on Dean at some point, and predictable isn't always bad, but I'm not really sure how much people will care about it. Ziggler/Hawkins provides another tag team for Alpha to eventually smash, because I can't see The Usos staying too fresh as the heel team for as long as they need to if they wrestle every PPV.

I've got no clue why Kalisto isn't on RAW. I get that they want one cruiserweight to not be a cruiserweight, but Kalisto is such a fucking cruiserweight, ha-ha. Zayn would have been a guy to get away from that.

[Mr. Nerfect]

What's everybody's leading bets as to what the WrestleMania main event is going to be? As of right now, I'm leaning towards AJ Styles vs. John Cena for the WWE World Title. I think Styles finds a way to keep the belt at No Mercy, avoids a one-on-one match with John Cena until WrestleMania.

I'd love for it to be AJ vs. Brock, but something about that just doesn't seem right. It feels like two "outsiders" fighting over the belt. I know WWE has fully embraced AJ, but it still feels like he's "young" in WWE years, and Brock is never around. The only problem is that they've done Styles vs. Cena a fair bit over the past year. Cena was sort of there to get Styles into the title picture.

They seem to be keeping Styles vs. Orton in their back pocket, but do you think Orton can get hot enough to headline? I could see Seth Rollins or Roman Reigns winning the Royal Rumble and using it to jump over to the SmackDown side of things too, depending on how Vince feels about their chances of being a top babyface at that point in time.

Weird that the only thing I really feel pretty sure about is Styles defending the World Title against someone.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Oh, and don't ask me why, but I have a very weird feeling that AJ vs. Bray could happen, with possible Club and Family involvement, with Bray being a babyface. I think he came back as a heel just to be functional for whatever it was they put him in again, but when they run out of ideas for him as a bad guy he'll be given a strong push as a face. That's my really "out there" pick.

[Black Widow]

How about keeping those discount Austin's away from AJ?

[mike adamle]

Hawkins/Ziggler as a heel team? I'm pretty sure they are going with Ziggler turning on Dean at some point, and predictable isn't always bad, but I'm not really sure how much people will care about it. Ziggler/Hawkins provides another tag team for Alpha to eventually smash, because I can't see The Usos staying too fresh as the heel team for as long as they need to if they wrestle every PPV.

You can't see people caring about Ziggler & Ambrose but they'll care about Ziggler/Hawkins????? :wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf:

[mike adamle]

What's everybody's leading bets as to what the WrestleMania main event is going to be? As of right now, I'm leaning towards AJ Styles vs. John Cena for the WWE World Title. I think Styles finds a way to keep the belt at No Mercy, avoids a one-on-one match with John Cena until WrestleMania.

I'd love for it to be AJ vs. Brock, but something about that just doesn't seem right. It feels like two "outsiders" fighting over the belt. I know WWE has fully embraced AJ, but it still feels like he's "young" in WWE years, and Brock is never around. The only problem is that they've done Styles vs. Cena a fair bit over the past year. Cena was sort of there to get Styles into the title picture.

They seem to be keeping Styles vs. Orton in their back pocket, but do you think Orton can get hot enough to headline? I could see Seth Rollins or Roman Reigns winning the Royal Rumble and using it to jump over to the SmackDown side of things too, depending on how Vince feels about their chances of being a top babyface at that point in time.

Weird that the only thing I really feel pretty sure about is Styles defending the World Title against someone.

I'm hoping for AJ/Brock. But there's 5 possible matches I'm thinking we could get as main event: either Rollins/Triple H for the Universal title in the Main Event, John Cena vs. The Undertaker, WWE Universal Title Triple Threat Hell In A Cell- Roman Reigns (C) vs. Dean Ambrose vs. Seth Rollins, or a long shot but WWE Title Match- John Cena (C) vs. The Rock

Would also love if Lesnar wins the Universal Title from Owens at the Rumble and Balor returns and wins the rumble to set up Brock/Balor at WM.

[slik]

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[Big Vic]

Uhhh......what?

[Innovator]

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[Exyle]

Have they specifically said that the reward for the Sheamus/Cesaro best of 7 series is a Universal title shot? Unless I missed it, the verbiage has always been vague. "A future title opportunity."

If so, imagine if Cesaro wins it, thanks Mick Foley, and tells him, "Give me a week to decide." Then, he shows up the next night on SmackDown, beats Miz for the IC title, and stays on SD. Cesaro gets to be where he wanted to be all along, and Daniel Bryan gets the IC title off Miz.

[slik]

Cesaro will prob feud with US Champ Roman Reigns next is my guess...

[slik]

WWE Shop needs RAMPAX - Need to make Roman look strong. "Superman Punches and the toughest of flows, nothing stops RAMPAX"


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[Fignuts]

Have they specifically said that the reward for the Sheamus/Cesaro best of 7 series is a Universal title shot? Unless I missed it, the verbiage has always been vague. "A future title opportunity."

If so, imagine if Cesaro wins it, thanks Mick Foley, and tells him, "Give me a week to decide." Then, he shows up the next night on SmackDown, beats Miz for the IC title, and stays on SD. Cesaro gets to be where he wanted to be all along, and Daniel Bryan gets the IC title off Miz.

Cesaro will prob feud with US Champ Roman Reigns next is my guess...

Or, you know, Sheamus wins.

[Evil Vito]

I feel like I'm way past the point of being able to give a fuck about Sheamus, which is sad because the guy is a really good wrestler.

[Emperor Smeat]

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[Innovator]

BIG MIKE

[Mr. Nerfect]

You can't see people caring about Ziggler & Ambrose but they'll care about Ziggler/Hawkins????? :wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf:

You're obviously looking at things on different levels. I'm talking proportionately, and not in terms of sheer mass volume. Everything doesn't need to be in a big melting pot -- that's part of the problem.

[slik]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm hoping for AJ/Brock. But there's 5 possible matches I'm thinking we could get as main event: either Rollins/Triple H for the Universal title in the Main Event, John Cena vs. The Undertaker, WWE Universal Title Triple Threat Hell In A Cell- Roman Reigns (C) vs. Dean Ambrose vs. Seth Rollins, or a long shot but WWE Title Match- John Cena (C) vs. The Rock

Would also love if Lesnar wins the Universal Title from Owens at the Rumble and Balor returns and wins the rumble to set up Brock/Balor at WM.

If Undertaker decides to wrestle at Mania, it'd be a good year for him to put someone else over. If he does that, the person who beats him is going to draw immediate comparisons to Brock Lesnar. Given that this will put Brock on a collision course with whoever this person is, and I can't imagine that match going lower on the card than, say, Kevin Owens vs. Finn Balor, it would make total sense to put the World Title on Brock.

Brock could simply win the Royal Rumble and jump over (I don't know why that loophole in the Rumble winner's contract hasn't been fixed up yet), but they might try to babyface him a bit more by making him more of an ally to Shane McMahon. Like, once Shane gets beaten up by Brock, he earns Brock's respect for taking such a good beating for what he believes in. It also doesn't make sense for Brock to get a title opportunity on RAW. If Kevin Owens is the hand-picked guy over there, why put him against that legit killer in Brock? It makes more sense for Triple H to deny Brock a Rumble spot, and for Brock to jump over to SmackDown for one. Being "held back" by Triple H faces Brock a bit more for that eventual title win too.

Plus, if Brock's contract comes up, I imagine he'll ask for more money, which might mean that Vince will try to squeeze a bit more out of Brock, which might mean a change from his exhibition schedule to something a bit more meaningful. A Royal Rumble win and title run would fit that.

[slik]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

Cesaro will prob feud with US Champ Roman Reigns next is my guess...

I'm hoping this is the case, but you can never count out Sheamus winning something he really shouldn't. Reigns vs. Sheamus for the US Title? It could definitely happen.

[Emperor Smeat]

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[Bad News Gertner]

Received word that former WWE wrestler Rico is in extremely rough shape. Heart and lung issues plus having trouble remembering anything. Pretty sad.

[Emperor Smeat]

According to the Observer, Luke Harper is likely heading to RAW and not Smackdown.

Was backstage during last night's RAW with a few other injured or unused RAW wrestlers implying he's with that brand now.

[mike adamle]

Received word that former WWE wrestler Rico is in extremely rough shape. Heart and lung issues plus having trouble remembering anything. Pretty sad.

What's wrong with him?

[Bad News Gertner]

He's apparently having tons of issues due to concussions. He's pretty much secluded himself and has no money for treatment. Kenny Bolin (Rico's manager in OVW) posted this on his facebook page. Pretty sad.

"it saddens me to inform you that I have just found out that a Former WWE star and very dear friend of mine named Rico Costantino (Rico the Stylist) is very, very sick and has been since at least early January. He has no help financially at all, no disability help and none in sight. He has not spoke a word to hardly any one in like 9 months. he desperately needs our help. he also has severe diagnosed concussions, a collapsed lung and sever heart problems way to detailed to get in to here. I spoke to his X-wife and length last night and she is trying to take care of him as best she can. i am hoping we can set up a go fund me account to assist him as soon as his X can get me the banking info to have it sent too. i also hope the WWE and Vince Mcmahon, Stephanie McMahon or Hunter will chime in and help this great and very nice man who gave his life to helping others till here recently. Lets get the word out about Rico's illness to those who may be able to help him in this extreme time of need. as i get more info from his X Linda i will pass it on. i will be contacting a few of my former and current WWE stars to rattle some cages in hope of getting rico some financial help. his illness was not caused by drug abuse as in the case of many others who got help. and his severe concussions were acquired entertaining all of us over the years. Linda says he can say something in one hour, and totally forgot he said it 2 hours later. i do hope we can all band together and give just a little that may up in the end being a lot and a life saver for Rico. he needs our help. he deserves our help. those of us who loved him and were entertained by him. he is one year younger than me and looked 20 years younger. Linda says we would not recognize him now. please help me help him and rattle a few cages. thank you all very much" K.B

[Mr. Nerfect]

Poor Rico. :( I was thinking about him the other day -- a really underrated talent. If he's in that sort of shape, I hope the WWE throws some money towards his medical bills. He helped a lot of talent come along in OVW by many accounts.

[Mr. Nerfect]

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[Evil Vito]

That's awful news about Rico :( kinda shocking too as last I had heard about him he was doing well as a police officer.

[Heisenberg]

Damn, the 50s are fuckin terrible if you were active in your youth.

[Cool King]

That's awful news about Rico :( kinda shocking too as last I had heard about him he was doing well as a police officer.

Yeah, I thought this too.

[Cool King]

Maybe Charlie Haas and his wife Jackie will help.

I honestly can't see Vince, Stephanie or Triple H helping in any way.

[Cool King]

I don't know why, but part of me feels that it's all not as bad as Bolin is making it out to be.

Rico is most probably ill and I really hope he gets better really soon, but from reading what Bolin said, it's coming across like Rico is at death's door.

I hope he's not though, but it's just a weird feeling I have. I dunno. :-\

[Black Widow]

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[mike adamle]

Is this Rico thing just a gimmick for Lucha Underground or the real deal??

[Emperor Smeat]

Current rumor going around the net involves the WWE toning down the new Cruiser division for RAW compared to them having a lot more freedom with the CWC tournament.

Assuming its true, probably a mix of the other divisions already doing Cruiser-like moves for matches and not wanting the new division to upstage everything else for the brand. Also maybe for health reasons considering WWE's recent Papa Shango injury curse and WWE's touring schedule being pretty brutal in terms of lack of rest.

[Big Vic]

Doubt it's true, stupid if it is.

[Simple Fan]

I bet it is true. Never thought the Cruiserweight division would be any different than the rest of Raw.

[Innovator]

Well no shit, I don't think we're gonna see some Burning Hammers in the middle of RAW

[Big Vic]

Oh did we get Burning Hammers on CWC?

[Emperor Smeat]

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[XL]

Yeah, I'm all for them reigning the guys in a little. Some of the stuff they did was just dangerous.

[Nicky Fives]

All they need to keep is the intensity.

[slik]

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As seen on Monday’s episode of RAW, the cruiserweight division finally made their debut on the main roster. Brian Kendrick, Gran Metalik, Rich Swann and Cedric Alexander all battled for an opportunity to face TJ Perkins’ for the Cruiserweight Title at WWE Clash of the Champions.

For those that were expecting the same high-flying style of wrestling as they seen on the Cruiserweight Classic will be sadly disappointed. Apparently WWE is going to tone down the division that is seen on Monday’s RAW every week, so that they aren’t doing as many big flips and high spots during their matches.

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[Emperor Smeat]

Yeah, I'm all for them reigning the guys in a little. Some of the stuff they did was just dangerous.
Yeah just cutting back on the dives to the outside will help out a lot and be good for the health of the division. Forgot who from the CWC stated it but the WWE was already reigning in stuff wrestlers were doing in the indies for the tournament.


All they need to keep is the intensity.
As long as they don't always feel like the debut match on RAW or reports about Swann-Dorado for Main Event tapings being really toned down. The Fatal Fourway felt a bit too slow paced although could have been more of them trying to fit the Cruiser style into the typical WWE style multi-man match.

[XL]

They absolutely should tone right down if they're doing Main Event matches. Who watches that show?

[Bad News Gertner]

Lol check out this story from an old Wrestling Observer Newsletter. Never heard of this before.

– The Rockers showed up at the tapings with their faces beaten black and blue, as they apparently got into a very violent fistfight with each other in Denver a few nights before, with Shawn getting the worst of it.█ Most sane wrestling promotions would put them on TV and blame their current enemies on the beating.█ The WWF sent them home until further notice.█ Shawn wants out of the team, and Vince has asked Marty to turn heel and go single.█

[Emperor Smeat]

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[Tom Guycott]

Lol check out this story from an old Wrestling Observer Newsletter. Never heard of this before.

– The Rockers showed up at the tapings with their faces beaten black and blue, as they apparently got into a very violent fistfight with each other in Denver a few nights before, with Shawn getting the worst of it.█ Most sane wrestling promotions would put them on TV and blame their current enemies on the beating.█ The WWF sent them home until further notice.█ Shawn wants out of the team, and Vince has asked Marty to turn heel and go single.█

The Heartbreak Kid, Marty Janetty!

[Mr. Nerfect]

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[Fignuts]

Mauro is getting a little ridiculous with the japan shout outs.

Like, okay name dropping Fujinami and Choshu I can kind of get, as they're legends, and the moves they innovated are iconic but....

Katsuyori Shibata? Ryuske Taguchi?

Like 2% of the audience are going to know who you are talking about. You could say it helps bring attention to those guys, but it comes off more as shameless pandering to the smark crowd to me.

[Fignuts]

Jordan and Gable's theme is fucking terrible. So boring. Sounds like a worse version of Appolo Crews' theme, which is itself not great.

[VSG]

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:(

Am I being a doofus or is there no link to the GoFundMe in that article at all?

[Cool King]

Jordan and Gable's theme is fucking terrible. So boring. Sounds like a worse version of Appolo Crews' theme, which is itself not great.

Yeah, I'm not a fan of it myself.

I'm not really a fan of their singlet designs either.

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[Big Vic]

He should have Touted it.

[Black Widow]

Cruiserweights in the doghouse with nuclear heat That's exactly what I wanna see while watching Cruiserweights Dumbasses!

[Big Vic]

I want to see a cruiser weight divison where they can only use rest-holds.

[The Ravishing One]

Received word that former WWE wrestler Rico is in extremely rough shape. Heart and lung issues plus having trouble remembering anything. Pretty sad.

That's a shame :(

I was in Seattle for WrestleMania 19 and noticed crowds gathering outside a hotel. People were waiting for wrestlers to enter/leave during the day. We saw a few while we stood there, one being Rico. He arrived back to the hotel with his girlfriend/wife and rather than ignore everyone or just sign the odd 1-2 (like the others) he made his other half wait while he signed/took pictures with everybody. Even asking at the end "Is that everyone?"

Gave me a new appreciation for the guy. Hope he gets better :y:

[Cool King]

Sakamoto must be desperate for money.

I've just found out that he'll be wrestling at a bar here on Sunday.

[Cool King]

I've just read up on Sakamoto and apparently, during his time with the WWE, he never won a single match.

[Emperor Smeat]

Supposedly the GoFundMe link to help Rico with his medical costs might be a scam since neither Rico nor Kenny Bollin are involved with the campaign.

Bollin recently left a message on the fundraiser page about how the money was going to be sent to Rico since the person in charge never contacted them. Comment itself was later deleted.

Also supposedly Rico had the big misfortune of getting seriously ill only a few months before he would have been eligible to receive a pension as a police officer.

[Big Vic]

I've just read up on Sakamoto and apparently, during his time with the WWE, he never won a single match.
profightdb says he won 5 matches

[Cool King]

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[Cool King]

It's a pretty interesting video.

It's good to see that he's happy doing what he's doing and that he's moved on to bigger and better things.

Having "Where Are They Now?" be short videos is so much better than what it was before, which was just an article and a few photos.

I'll be watching the rest in the future.

[Cool King]

profightdb says he won 5 matches

And that's why Wikipedia should never be trusted.

[Big Vic]

He probably won small time matches...

Edit: Yeah they were all house show matches..... I think?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Mauro is getting a little ridiculous with the japan shout outs.

Like, okay name dropping Fujinami and Choshu I can kind of get, as they're legends, and the moves they innovated are iconic but....

Katsuyori Shibata? Ryuske Taguchi?

Like 2% of the audience are going to know who you are talking about. You could say it helps bring attention to those guys, but it comes off more as shameless pandering to the smark crowd to me.

Eh, that's kind of his gimmick. He's the guy who watches everything so you don't have to. Still pretty surreal to hear him in WWE. I imagine he'll be gone soon when he doesn't fit the WWE's storytelling ideals or whatever.

[Emperor Smeat]

Could also just be a small call back to his time announcing NJPW matches for AXS TV.

[Evil Vito]

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Never piss off Bob Holly.

[Anybody Thrilla]

That Kozlov vid was very cool. :y:

[Anybody Thrilla]

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Never piss off Bob Holly.

What the hell was that all about?

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Prob jealous Kennedy got a push

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

They had a brief feud. Kennedy was probably a cunt.

[Anybody Thrilla]

THAT much of a cunt, though?

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

No, and the thing was that he didn't even seem that angry. It was all deadpan and matter of fact.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Kennedy might be the Elijah Burke to Bob Holly's CM Punk.

[Vastardikai]

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[Black Widow]

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[Big Vic]

Fuck Bob Holly

[Evil Vito]

What the hell was that all about?

Holly was rumored to have been taking pain pills out of guys' bags. So he dropped the tag belts, was taken off TV for like 7-8 months, then release altogether.

Supposedly Kennedy was the one who either stooged him out to the office, or made the whole thing up - depending on who you want to believe.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I've never heard of that before. I always thought that it was just time for Bob to ride off into the sunset.

[JimmyMess]

I met Kevin Nash last night. Super fucking awesome. Just wanted to tell somebody!

[Innovator]

Mauro is getting a little ridiculous with the japan shout outs.

Like, okay name dropping Fujinami and Choshu I can kind of get, as they're legends, and the moves they innovated are iconic but....

Katsuyori Shibata? Ryuske Taguchi?

Like 2% of the audience are going to know who you are talking about. You could say it helps bring attention to those guys, but it comes off more as shameless pandering to the smark crowd to me.

Who are you to doubt the Funky Weapon?

[Big Vic]

I've never heard of that before. I always thought that it was just time for Bob to ride off into the sunset.

It was his time when he sand bagged Brock and broke his neck.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It was probably earlier according to most people. I always liked Holly though. More than I should. If I'm being objective about things, I'm not sure he sticks around post-2000 once Crash starts getting attention.

[thekrow]

Hardcore Holly is a lot like Devastator. A huge bad ass with a bad attitude who cant seem to get along with anyone in the back. Also someone who seems to be good enough to hold the title but just doesn't have the "It" to make it there.

[Big Vic]

I disagree, I always thought Devastator had "It"

Holly did not.

[Black Widow]

Mission Successful

http://i.imgur.com/LDcFQHu.jpg

[Big Vic]

a pool AND a fence? livin it up.

[Black Widow]

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s526x395/14457433_280078392385324_3833504160563823302_n.jpg?oh=431e8fdf935623661f07afe6b8f8cc5a&oe=586CB2AB

[Emperor Smeat]

http://66.media.tumblr.com/2eeb01935772da9c4a14e63d6449e5e7/tumblr_o03j574CMI1u1ljrzo1_500.gif

[Mr. Nerfect]

Randy Orton's politics are seeping through more and more. I can imagine it's not earning him support in certain quarters, but you know Vince McMahon is a fan, and that sort of thing appeals to the core fan-base of WWE. I wonder if this affects Orton's direction?

[Wishbone]

Meh, not surprising. Orton's always been a piece of shit as a human being. Why would his politics be any different? I imagine he'll continue exactly where he is too, if not get a big push for it. Like Noid said Vince probably loves him for it.

[Black Widow]

Trump > Hiliary Cunton any day!

[Cool King]

Trump > Hiliary Cunton any day!

http://s13.postimg.org/3o9dprlmv/2514_Raw_donald_trump_impersonator_pointing_su.png

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah, I doubt it would affect things, but it's interesting to see him voicing himself so publicly.

[Wishbone]

Yeah, I doubt it would affect things, but it's interesting to see him voicing himself so publicly.

It is a bit interesting I suppose. Wrestlers currently on the roster do seem to be pretty hush hush about it. Honestly I think it sorta makes that seem more unusual though. Like now that Orton's done it I'm really wondering why more don't, unless maybe a lot of them have differing opinions to Vince. I mean if you agree with the boss I don't see why you'd be so afraid to voice it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I can imagine it's that fear. I think it's also just concern about how they appeal to fans. When you talk about politics you divide a room. Orton clearly doesn't give a fuck.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I've noticed that about Orton since he's come back. His promos are just so...relaxed. And not in a bad way. You can just tell he's got that top star comfort out there. He'll do and say what he wants. On screen, it makes him very endearing.

[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Broken <a href="https://twitter.com/MATTHARDYBRAND">@MATTHARDYBRAND</a> says no one can stop him, not even &quot;The Day of the New!&quot;<br><br>CC: <a href="https://twitter.com/WWEBigE">@WWEBigE</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/XavierWoodsPhD">@XavierWoodsPhD</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/TrueKofi">@TrueKofi</a> <a href="https://t.co/572Ad7MoN1">pic.twitter.com/572Ad7MoN1</a></p>&mdash; Ryan Satin (@ryansatin) <a href="https://twitter.com/ryansatin/status/779470118296260608">September 23, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[Vastardikai]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Broken <a href="https://twitter.com/MATTHARDYBRAND">@MATTHARDYBRAND</a> says no one can stop him, not even &quot;The Day of the New!&quot;<br><br>CC: <a href="https://twitter.com/WWEBigE">@WWEBigE</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/XavierWoodsPhD">@XavierWoodsPhD</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/TrueKofi">@TrueKofi</a> <a href="https://t.co/572Ad7MoN1">pic.twitter.com/572Ad7MoN1</a></p>&mdash; Ryan Satin (@ryansatin) <a href="https://twitter.com/ryansatin/status/779470118296260608">September 23, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Well, "Touch, Peel, and Stand" is kind of awesome. I think that can touch him.

[Tom Guycott]

Broken Matt (and Brother Nero) vs. The Elite vs. New Day in a three way, interpromotional... twitter war.

[Emperor Smeat]

According to the Observer, Cody Rhodes found a way around WWE's claim of the "Rhodes" name. WWE only prevented him from using it and not also his wife.

So if he ever has a mixed tag match with his wife, he can take the name as an implied last name since they'd be called "Cody & Brandi Rhodes". Same for using it whenever both are on the screen at the same time.

Right now he only uses Cody for his actual ring name.

[Simple Fan]

Kind of silly really. The Ryback legally changing is name is pretty funny. Not like WWE is going to have another Ryback on someone with Rhodes as a last name. In Cody's case it probably be benefitial to WWE to just let him use the name so I'd he ever comes back the Cody Rhodes character is reestablished already.

[Emperor Smeat]

Hulkberto Del Hogano

http://i.imgur.com/DGPdqRP.gif

[Lock Jaw]

DESTINYYYYYYY

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don't know why, but for some reason a Hogan vs. Del Rio -- you know, providing both men were in their prime -- actually appeals to me. The idea of a smug Del Rio kicking the crap out of Hogan has charm.

[Frank Drebin]

I can imagine it's that fear. I think it's also just concern about how they appeal to fans. When you talk about politics you divide a room. Orton clearly doesn't give a fuck.

Same reason sports teams try not to venture into political or religious territory for the most part.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah, that's basically it. But I guess if you are going to reveal yourself to be on one side or the other in wrestling, Republican is the way to go.

[Frank Drebin]

Yup. Might as well just tout scott walker too since he's the poster boy for anti union as they get. Saying that around Vince probably is good for a US title reign.

[Volare]

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[Vastardikai]

Hulkberto Del Hogano

http://i.imgur.com/DGPdqRP.gif

A paraphrased story from a time I talked to a friend of mine online about this particular match.

"A step over into a spinning cross armbreaker."
"heh."
"... by Hogan!"
"Wait, what?"

[Vastardikai]

I think any combination of the Varsity Club, in their prime, could wipe the floor with American Alpha.

Actually, I'll go farther than that.

Dr. Death could wipe the floor with American Alpha by himself.

[Jordan]

I think any combination of the Varsity Club, in their prime, could wipe the floor with American Alpha.

Actually, I'll go farther than that.

Dr. Death could wipe the floor with American Alpha by himself.

You mean if wrestling was real right?

[Vastardikai]

You mean if wrestling was real right?

It's still real to me, DAMN IT! :D

Historically speaking, before American Alpha, there was the World's Greatest Tag Team. Before the World's Greatest Tag Team, there was the Steiner Brothers. Before the Steiner Brothers, there was the Varsity Club (which Rick Steiner was a part of at one point).

I should also point out that Varsity Club was absurdly over as heels. It was Sullivan's treatment of Rick Steiner that lead to him being as over as he was for the better part of 10 years. And they were just all around a better team (every variation). And the fact that you had some legit bad asses in the group at times with Steiner, Steve Williams, and later Dan Spivey...

But yes, I'm just throwing out love for Varsity Club.

[Emperor Smeat]

Could be looking at a Styles vs Orton feud for the WWE title after No Mercy ppv since the sheets are teasing Ambrose is leaving to work on a new film for WWE Studios. Being teased he isn't returning till the Rumble at the earliest.

Cena's already expected to be gone till next year as well due to season 2 tapings for American Grit.

[Blue Demon]

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[Fignuts]

Could be looking at a Styles vs Orton feud for the WWE title after No Mercy ppv since the sheets are teasing Ambrose is leaving to work on a new film for WWE Studios. Being teased he isn't returning till the Rumble at the earliest.

Cena's already expected to be gone till next year as well due to season 2 tapings for American Grit.

So Orton goes over Bray then. Great.

Just leave Bray on main event from now on. It's fucking over.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Could be looking at a Styles vs Orton feud for the WWE title after No Mercy ppv since the sheets are teasing Ambrose is leaving to work on a new film for WWE Studios. Being teased he isn't returning till the Rumble at the earliest.

Cena's already expected to be gone till next year as well due to season 2 tapings for American Grit.

Oh god, SmackDown is going to be a bit barren, isn't it? But that being said, I suppose it is the AJ Styles Show right now. Orton does seem like the way they'll go, but there was part of me pulling for Bray Wyatt to win. Ha! Naive, I know.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I was hoping that Wyatt would pin Orton at No Mercy, beat him in a Street Fight at Survivor Series, and then win a Cage Match or something at Roadblock. Then he might have been in prime position to be seen as credible enough to win the Royal Rumble in January. I'm not saying that he would win, or that he should win, but you could have him ready to go if you've got Brock and Cena tangled up elsewhere.

[Fignuts]

Seriously, when it comes to Bray, I don't think I've been as disappointed in how someone was booked, since Ultimo Dragon got jobbed to an entire cruiserweight division that couldn't even lace his boots.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Ultimo Dragon... :(

[Fignuts]

Yep. I never got over that one either.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I was so excited for Dragon coming in. I remember downloading a whole bunch of his matches and just having a marathon of him back in the day. A glorious man.

[Mr. Nerfect]

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/q588/411mania1/WWE/wwetour.jpg

Look who is advertised for this RAW tour. :'(

[Mr. Nerfect]

I should be happy for Harper getting a singles run -- he is tremendous -- but I do think there is a lot that can be done with The Wyatt Family as a team on SmackDown. But now that The Usos are heel and Slater/Rhyno are the babyface team, I guess that's a distant pipe-dream.

[Cool King]

Those lucky people who have tickets to the Wednesday show are in for a treat with that Darren Young vs Titus O'Neil match.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Am I the only one hoping New Day keeps the belts at Clash of Champions? I'm not the biggest fan of the direction the act is going, but I'm also not the biggest fan of Gallows & Anderson as a team. Well, certainly not as working Tag Team Champions. I'd be fine if they were just muscle for a guy like Kevin Owens.

I'd much rather see New Day vs. Enzo & Cass than Gallows & Anderson vs. Enzo & Cass.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Seriously, when it comes to Bray, I don't think I've been as disappointed in how someone was booked, since Ultimo Dragon got jobbed to an entire cruiserweight division that couldn't even lace his boots.

Was loose boots the reason he tripped?

[Emperor Smeat]

So Orton goes over Bray then. Great.

Just leave Bray on main event from now on. It's fucking over.

Either that or Bray's ppv win is just as meaningless as it was for Backlash.

Him and Orton just move into a title feud with Styles or he gets pushed to the side in favor of Orton moving to a title feud.

[Blue Demon]

http://www.wwe.com/videos/ultimo-dragon-trips-while-entering-the-ring-wrestlemania-20

[Mr. Nerfect]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

Ultimo Dragon is still wrestling. There is a part of me that wouldn't mind the WWE bringing him in part-time for the occasional match if he's got the juice left. I honestly haven't seen his work. But man would that pop my soul.

Taka Michinoku is another cruiserweight whose return would just make me mark out. I don't have particular interest in a sustained run, but there's something heart-warming about these guys still being able to go. They'd make great opponents for TJ Perkins while you are building the younger guys lower on the card.

[Mr. Nerfect]

On a side note, has anyone else seen the Fit Finlay vs. Tajiri match from SMASH in 2012? I've mentioned it a few times on here, and I'm sure somehow from here actually brought it to my attention, but holy shit. I really feel this is an underrated gem, especially considering the age of the guys out there. Finlay would have been 54 and Tajiri would have been 41.

[Droford]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brock Lessnar vs Randy Orton: The Rematch is happening right now at <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWEChicago?src=hash">#WWEChicago</a>. It's just a house show, but a PPV atmosphere. <a href="https://t.co/HavDdMY8Dz">pic.twitter.com/HavDdMY8Dz</a></p>&mdash; Online Predator (@Online_Predator) <a href="https://twitter.com/Online_Predator/status/779864892400668677">September 25, 2016</a></blockquote>
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"Paul Heyman came out with Brock Lesnar and said they wanted a NoDQ match with Randy Orton with no stoppage for blood. It was called a "suplex city death match." Mick Foley and Stephanie agreed to this stipulation. There were duel "Suplex City/RKO" chants early in the match. Orton countered a F5 into an RKO for a two count. Orton used a steel chair on Lesnar's back and the two brawled on the outside. Back in the ring, Lesnar suplexed Orton. Orton tried to use the chair and was suplexed again. Orton gained control again with the steel chair to the back. Orton hit another RKO but Lesnar kicked out. Lesnar hit the F5 and got the win."

[Mr. Nerfect]

Apparently all that happened in about six minutes.

[Mr. Nerfect]

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pI4EpMgBnBM/V8Byh0CCcGI/AAAAAAAACXw/Rp20dVRc4pMxfl6xMODTq4Y4VrWywUPDgCLcB/s1600/WWE%2BSmackdown%2BWomen%2527s%2BChampionship%2B-%2Bwrestling%2Bfight%2Bclub.png

Remember this one-night look for Becky Lynch? She worked hard on those abs, I'm glad she got to show them off. It certainly seems...darker than her character.

[Rammsteinmad]

That F5/RKO looked shit.

Would look pretty cool if he pulled off an RKO mid-F5 though. But that probably involves too much creativity for Lesnar these days.

[Rammsteinmad]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

Did Randy Orton ever counter the Attitude Adjustment into an RKO? I always wanted to see that. I imagine they did it at least once over their series of matches in 07/08, but I've actually completely blocked them from my memory. Didn't they have an Iron Man Match at one point?

[Rammsteinmad]

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[Rammsteinmad]

They had an Iron Man match back in the day some time, I seem to recall enjoying the match but can't really remember anything of it other than lots of storytelling/stalling and Orton trying to kill Cena somehow.

Kinda wanna see the F5 reversed into an RKO similar to that AA though. Not some shitty landing on his feet and then seeing Lesnar hop in the air to receive the move. :nono:

[Sixx]

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[Anybody Thrilla]

They had an Iron Man match back in the day some time, I seem to recall enjoying the match but can't really remember anything of it other than lots of storytelling/stalling and Orton trying to kill Cena somehow.

Kinda wanna see the F5 reversed into an RKO similar to that AA though. Not some shitty landing on his feet and then seeing Lesnar hop in the air to receive the move. :nono:

Orton tied to blow Cena up with pyrotechnics in that match.

Unrelated, the ROH stuff with Sullivan/Whitmer/Corino/etc. is fucking garbage. Has Kevin Sullivan ever done anything good?

[Anybody Thrilla]

Also, Adam Cole and Adam Page may want to do something to look a little bit less like each other if they're going to have such similar names. Especially if they're in the same faction now.

[Cool King]

Up until ten minutes ago, I completely forgot that Clash of Champions is tonight.

[Innovator]

Also, Adam Cole and Adam Page may want to do something to look a little bit less like each other if they're going to have such similar names. Especially if they're in the same faction now.
I've felt that Cole's hair doesn't fit him, doesn't look right for some reason

[Tom Guycott]

https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/10537093_10152833604963687_8110124378070197002_n.jpg?oh=93024835968e3e146d6778efff56f155&oe=5882E774

I legit thought this was some sort of Tenacious D cosplay, and didn't even realize that was Foley at first.

[Tom Guycott]

Ultimo Dragon is still wrestling. There is a part of me that wouldn't mind the WWE bringing him in part-time for the occasional match if he's got the juice left. I honestly haven't seen his work. But man would that pop my soul.

Unfortunately, his entire WWE career is summed up not by being a great worker, by slipping on that cape that was way too long and nearly eating shit dead center camera on the way to the ring.

Taka Michinoku is another cruiserweight whose return would just make me mark out. I don't have particular interest in a sustained run, but there's something heart-warming about these guys still being able to go. They'd make great opponents for TJ Perkins while you are building the younger guys lower on the card.

Would be an interesting setup to pit the current Cruiserweight centerpiece against the first man WWE did this with about two decades ago in TAKA, the first Light Heavyweight champion. Provided WWE puts that point over to fans, that is.

[Tom Guycott]

Also, Adam Cole and Adam Page may want to do something to look a little bit less like each other if they're going to have such similar names. Especially if they're in the same faction now.

I actually assumed that may have been part the point of the "Hangman" gimmick for Page (with the bigger point of him having *some sort* of character outside of "career stable lacky", even though I don't totally agree they "look similar" simply being two white boys named Adam.

I don't disagree with your point entirely, but there are a few qualifications.

Would be a bigger problem if they tagged often and Cole wasn't a pretty established guy already. Like, if they just debuted in ROH today as a no-name tag team with similar gear, it would be difficult to distinguish who is who for being "twinsy", like early WWE run Ryder and Hawkins.

[Dark One]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">*laughs in Spanish* <a href="https://t.co/7njHUZbM8C">pic.twitter.com/7njHUZbM8C</a></p>&mdash; Señor Benjamin (@BenjaminSenor) <a href="https://twitter.com/BenjaminSenor/status/779142967013416960">September 23, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[#BROKEN Hasney]

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[#BROKEN Hasney]

Señor Benjamin has to be best new character of the year.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Orton tied to blow Cena up with pyrotechnics in that match.

Unrelated, the ROH stuff with Sullivan/Whitmer/Corino/etc. is fucking garbage. Has Kevin Sullivan ever done anything good?

Sullivan was a good heel in the territory days. I've enjoyed the clips of his pre-Dungeon of Doom stuff that I've seen. Good talker.

[Simple Fan]

The Whitmer/ Corino story line has dragged on for a while. Sullivan has actually brought some life into the feud in my opinion and him redoing an old storyline from the 80s with the Devil worshiping gimmick has been alright I'm just not sure where its going.

[mike adamle]

The storyline has been going on for like 2 years now. Everyone was hoping it was over at the PPV (which shockingly ended up being one of the best matches on the card) and Kevin Sullivan shows up and who knows how the fuck long it's gonna go on for.

[Volare]

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[Schlomey]

I gotta get something off my chest. I saw Jake Roberts on his tour recently. When we arrived to the venue he was greeting fans at the door and was very pleasant. Even told a guy in a wheelchair to go inside and get a free T-Shirt on him, from his daughter at the merch table. Well.....The show started....Jake was about 5 minutes into his set and the dudes alarm went off to take his meds (needed them to live and forgot to turn it off).....Jake told him to go fuck himself and literally went off on him for nearly 2 minutes making everyone upset and uncomfortable. The guy, who before the show was BEAMING after meeting his childhood idol literally sat there in misery until the last few minutes when he quietly tried to sneak away...Jake stopped the show yet again...cussed at him and even said he regretted giving him that shirt. I nearly cried. I fucking hate Jake The Snake Roberts. I knew he was kind of a dick but damn...that shit is ice cold.

[Big Vic]

Well..... It's not like his name is Jake 'The Golden Retriever" Roberts

[Schlomey]

And Seth Rollins isn't really an architect?

[Sixx]

what does his nickname have to do with anything here? it's not like he pounded on the guy with a live snake.

or did he?

[Volare]

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[Vastardikai]

Sullivan was a good heel in the territory days. I've enjoyed the clips of his pre-Dungeon of Doom stuff that I've seen. Good talker.

He is the reason folks like Rick Steiner and Cactus Jack got as initially over as they did, using a variation of the same angle.

Then there's the Army of Darkness, which inspired the Wyatt Family.

He was an excellent foil for Ben... some guy, as well. The matches were nuts. I miss sloppy brawls, though.

[Black Widow]

Rasha.

[Emperor Smeat]

http://67.media.tumblr.com/783ce7988561a3aba1288b0b0e507d83/tumblr_oe35r19PyD1u1ljrzo1_500.gif

[Innovator]

Happy Birthday to Asuka, saying this so she doesn't hurt me

[Emperor Smeat]

Survivor Series currently rumored to be getting the 4 hour treatment based on a recent times listing on WWE's website.

Probably a safe bet Royal Rumble is going 4+ hours as well next year to complete the Big 4 or co-brand ppvs getting special treatment.

[Nicky Fives]

I'm still holding out for a 40-man Rumble return, even though I'm in the minority.....