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slik
06-08-2020, 04:12 PM
This is good


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">After my devastating loss at <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MITB?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MITB</a> and 10 years of being used and abused it has finally happened.....”The Trepidation”.<br>.<br>.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWE?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWE</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SmackDown?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SmackDown</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SmackDownLive?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SmackDownLive</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Raw?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Raw</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BackLash?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BackLash</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Tamina?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Tamina</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cracked?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cracked</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NobodyNicer?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NobodyNicer</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NobodyMeaner?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NobodyMeaner</a> <a href="https://t.co/G09fWyasqK">pic.twitter.com/G09fWyasqK</a></p>&mdash; Tamina Snuka (@TaminaSnuka) <a href="https://twitter.com/TaminaSnuka/status/1270049600934678528?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 8, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

drave
06-08-2020, 05:18 PM
Reminds me of other female "crazy" gimmicks...... except she's allowed to talk a bit more.


Nikki Cross & Victoria come to mind.

Savio
06-08-2020, 05:29 PM
I haven't watched in awhile so I don't know the full story and what lead up to that point but that just seems like a whole lot of retreading that has been done numerous times before.


Divas who were at one point in time considered crazy:
Luna
Victoria
Mickie James
Nikki Cross
Trish (During her feud with Mickie)
AJ Lee
Alicia Fox
Lita
Ruby Riott
Daffney


I'm probably forgetting some.

Emperor Smeat
06-08-2020, 05:53 PM
Lana seems to be heading in that potential direction based on her recent hatred and interactions with MVP for taking her Bobby away.

drave
06-08-2020, 06:13 PM
Lana seems to be heading in that potential direction based on her recent hatred and interactions with MVP for taking her Bobby away.




This was one of the stupidest fucking turning points ever, by the way. Just drop everything that has ever been anything for the characters "Rusev and Lana" and go the thirsty bitch route.






https://media1.tenor.com/images/68d4f37a5280bbe6d66eda4617aa3144/tenor.gif?itemid=11327348

drave
06-08-2020, 06:14 PM
Apologies if I sound like I bash it too much, just to come to a forum and talk about it. I WANT it to be good, I WANT to have a reason to actually watch it. I just haven't found that in a very long time and doesn't seem like I will anytime soon.

Emperor Smeat
06-08-2020, 06:46 PM
This was one of the stupidest fucking turning points ever, by the way. Just drop everything that has ever been anything for the characters "Rusev and Lana" and go the thirsty bitch route.






https://media1.tenor.com/images/68d4f37a5280bbe6d66eda4617aa3144/tenor.gif?itemid=11327348

The wedding segment was the worst out of that whole infidelity and marriage storyline. Not only did the segment just drag on, it led to one of the dumbest or most useless swerves ever in WWE with Liv Morgan.

Completely undid all the vignettes they were doing for Liv's return for a trash tv like moment and led to nothing in the end because of Rusev's contract dispute and nobody wanting to see an actual feud between Lana and Liv.

Gerard
06-08-2020, 06:55 PM
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/o2DRLHtr2oY" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Lock Jaw
06-08-2020, 07:40 PM
I haven't watched in awhile so I don't know the full story and what lead up to that point but that just seems like a whole lot of retreading that has been done numerous times before.


Divas who were at one point in time considered crazy:
Luna
Victoria
Mickie James
Nikki Cross
Trish (During her feud with Mickie)
AJ Lee
Alicia Fox
Lita
Ruby Riott
Daffney


I'm probably forgetting some.

Was Ruby Riott ever crazy? If being "alt", or whatever they call it, is crazy, I guess so.....

Bad News Gertner
06-08-2020, 07:56 PM
Sherri Martel

Vastardikai
06-08-2020, 07:58 PM
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/VImqFyBpB14" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Bolo Mongol taking on Dino Bravo.


Bolo Mongol was one half of the Mongols, who was the International Tag Team Champions. He'd go on to more tag team success by trading in that wild hair cut for wilder looking face paint and S & M gear, as Ax.

Bad News Gertner
06-08-2020, 08:17 PM
Oh God, fucking Jack Reynolds on commentary

Tom Guycott
06-09-2020, 12:08 AM
Was Ruby Riott ever crazy? If being "alt", or whatever they call it, is crazy, I guess so.....

Lita seems like a similar stretch. Unless you count the fact that she was diving off of shit when most of her contemporaries were just arm charms, then... maybe? Can't even count the ECW stuff, as it was more just "uncouth" than "crazy".

XL
06-09-2020, 07:06 AM
“Bitches be crazy” right?

Savio
06-09-2020, 08:55 AM
Lita seems like a similar stretch. Unless you count the fact that she was diving off of shit when most of her contemporaries were just arm charms, then... maybe? Can't even count the ECW stuff, as it was more just "uncouth" than "crazy".
Oh yeah you're right about Lita I had her and Victoria mixed up in my mind.

Jordan
06-09-2020, 12:40 PM
MLW has signed a deal with DAZN.

Gerard
06-09-2020, 01:16 PM
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/2i40xZND-5E" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Ahmed Johnson chest bumping 2 guys with spiked shoulder pads which also had spikes on the front. :wtf:

SlickyTrickyDamon
06-09-2020, 01:33 PM
Wonton and Beef Stew! The Sand Rippa chest bumps whomever he wants! Punk!

Gerard
06-09-2020, 03:30 PM
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/aBUTFgovZLI" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

As mentioned slightly ironic Jax on the moan about Rousey throwing around Alexa Bliss, then she goes and does the same thing to Sane twice.

Mr. Nerfect
06-09-2020, 05:07 PM
MLW has signed a deal with DAZN.

Good for them. I like MLW, but they don’t feel “big league” enough to me. Hopefully this deal helps them along the way.

Emperor Smeat
06-09-2020, 06:43 PM
MLW has signed a deal with DAZN.

Very good for MLW but at the same time a bit surprised DAZN made a new deal since supposedly they had been withholding payments to companies once the coronavirus started to make a big negative impact on sporting events.

Plus DAZN having some serious money issues in recent months because of the coronavirus.

Emperor Smeat
06-09-2020, 08:50 PM
Apparently Charlotte Flair currently has a goal in WWE to win a Men's title at some point.

When asked by Sportskeeda how she feels about Tessa Blanchard winning the World Championship in IMPACT Wrestling, Charlotte spoke candidly about feeling like, although she may want to take that same leap in her future, she is more interested at the moment and supporting Tessa Blanchard because she feels all women succeed through the achievements of women across the globe.

“It’s something that I want to pursue but, if you look at the big picture, when women are succeeding in different organizations all around the world, we’re all succeeding and we’re all winning from that,” Charlotte would say. “So for her to hold that accolade is just, we should support and be just extremely proud, as a woman, to see her do that because when one’s doing well, we’re all doing well. That is what has pretty much driven the Women’s Evolution is we work better in numbers, so it’s not something that I think about right now but I couldn’t be more proud and happy for what she is doing for women around the world.”

SlickyTrickyDamon
06-10-2020, 12:13 AM
24/7 Title it is. Hell naw for anything else.

Seanny One Ball
06-10-2020, 12:29 PM
People respond to different things in different ways in different circumstances. Austin largely gets a pass -- for whatever reason. Doesn't make it right. Others don't. We have an idiosyncratic culture.


Scrutiny can be bad for bidness

Bad News Gertner
06-10-2020, 12:54 PM
R.I.P Rasslin II

Gerard
06-10-2020, 01:05 PM
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/RDF7uDR_8TM" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Bad News Gertner
06-10-2020, 02:19 PM
Tim Hornbaker's Death of The Territories book just came in the mail today! Can't wait to read it.

Fignuts
06-10-2020, 02:52 PM
Io Shirai’s theme finally being released this Friday. Fucking finally. Don’t have to use the youtube knockoffs in Fire Pro anymore.

Emperor Smeat
06-10-2020, 05:14 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The greatest matches in <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WWE</a> history? <br><br>Pick three, the rest are erased from history ��<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWEBacklash?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWEBacklash</a> <a href="https://t.co/G76QR3NEC6">pic.twitter.com/G76QR3NEC6</a></p>&mdash; WWE on BT Sport (@btsportwwe) <a href="https://twitter.com/btsportwwe/status/1270390276817854471?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 9, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Macho Man vs. Steamboat, Bret vs. Austin, and Punk vs. Cena as my choices.

ozzman6669
06-10-2020, 05:55 PM
That's a tough one !! I would keep HBK vs Taker, HBK vs Angle and for the last one I can't choose between Bret vs Austin and Bret vs Owen. Maybe the Austin match because of the double turn.

slik
06-10-2020, 06:01 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Fans Start Petition For WWE To STOP Putting Titles On Charlotte Flair<a href="https://t.co/jO8La7slVH">https://t.co/jO8La7slVH</a></p>&mdash; PWStream (@PWStream) <a href="https://twitter.com/PWStream/status/1270796978004398081?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Lock Jaw
06-10-2020, 06:43 PM
lol at Gargano and Cole being on that list

Emperor Smeat
06-10-2020, 07:08 PM
Bit surprised they didn't go with one of the Gargano vs. Ciampa matches considering how much WWE and NXT gushes over that rivalry.

If they wanted to include a token NXT match from the men's side, Sami Zayn vs. Shinsuke Nakamura would have been a way stronger choice since its arguably the best NXT match of all-time.

Bad News Gertner
06-10-2020, 07:08 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The greatest matches in <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WWE</a> history? <br><br>Pick three, the rest are erased from history ��<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWEBacklash?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWEBacklash</a> <a href="https://t.co/G76QR3NEC6">pic.twitter.com/G76QR3NEC6</a></p>&mdash; WWE on BT Sport (@btsportwwe) <a href="https://twitter.com/btsportwwe/status/1270390276817854471?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 9, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Macho Man vs. Steamboat, Bret vs. Austin, and Punk vs. Cena as my choices.

Bret vs Austin, Bret vs Owen and Savage vs Steamboat

Emperor Smeat
06-10-2020, 07:49 PM
Shawn Michaels was in a heated debate at NXT Takeover In Your House ahead of the show. Michaels was discussing the current social climate with another producer, when said producer mentioned that everyone already gets treated the same. This didn't sit well with Michaels, we're told, who broke down systematic prejudice and inequality to the persona in a very heated discussion. Word of the argument only made its way back among multiple wrestlers the following day, and Michaels was said to be a "professional" and worked with the person even after the argument went down.

Considering only a small handful of people work as producers in NXT and one of them was recently involved in a social media incident involving a similar topic, I'd put all my money on this mystery person being Road Dogg.

Also would fit with him way more often than not putting his foot in his mouth whenever he discusses social issues and WWE's booking in general online.

Bad News Gertner
06-10-2020, 08:06 PM
Weird since Road Dogg is the greatest black wrestler in WWE history

Seanny One Ball
06-10-2020, 08:08 PM
#POTY

Seanny One Ball
06-10-2020, 08:12 PM
I am in the midst of a Smackdown 2 campaign where my man Verne Gagne is 3rd rated Heavyweight contender and Road Dogg has beaten everyone twice. He has Undertaker every second week and beats him.

Test beat the entire RTC.

It is all kicking off

Bad News Gertner
06-10-2020, 08:17 PM
Every once in a while I'll fire up a game of HCTP

slik
06-10-2020, 09:19 PM
spoiler for SD

https://www.sportskeeda.com/wwe/major-spoiler-regarding-smackdown-segment-involving-sheamus-jeff-hardy-exclusive


Jeff Hardy throws urine on Sheamus when Sheamus makes him take a drug test

Bad News Gertner
06-10-2020, 09:21 PM
Tommy Dreamer and Lance Storm angle from ECW

XL
06-11-2020, 03:11 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Fans Start Petition For WWE To STOP Putting Titles On Charlotte Flair<a href="https://t.co/jO8La7slVH">https://t.co/jO8La7slVH</a></p>&mdash; PWStream (@PWStream) <a href="https://twitter.com/PWStream/status/1270796978004398081?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Well, she said she doesn’t need a title to be relevant...

screech
06-11-2020, 09:49 AM
I bought one of the Smackdown PS2 games at a Comic Con last year. It freezes during Week 3 of the season so I can't unlock anything.

Droford
06-11-2020, 12:23 PM
Is anyone else annoyed that the IC title match is happening tomorrow night on SD instead of the ppv? It's almost like they know it'd overshadow the greatest wrestling match ever if they put it on the same show. I'm almost hoping a no contest or something so it does make the ppv instead of shoehorned into a 10 minute slot with commercials

Sepholio
06-11-2020, 12:39 PM
I don't mind Charlotte winning belts and everything because she's really talented. But they should cool off on it a bit and stop doing it so often. Give us a break for awhile.

It's like when Randy Orton was racking up belts back in the day and everyone knew he was gonna be like a 25 time world champion eventually. Then they just stopped. And now it's been kinda whack that he hasn't had a meaningful title reign in years. I wanna say he has like 3 world title reigns for a total of like 4-5 months reign over the last decade. That's insane considering.

XL
06-11-2020, 01:21 PM
Is anyone else annoyed that the IC title match is happening tomorrow night on SD instead of the ppv? It's almost like they know it'd overshadow the greatest wrestling match ever if they put it on the same show. I'm almost hoping a no contest or something so it does make the ppv instead of shoehorned into a 10 minute slot with commercials

Sort of expecting that to happen. Or better yet, they do some storyline that results in neither Bryan or Styles being in the final.

XL
06-11-2020, 01:22 PM
Wait. Robert Stone on NXT is Robbie E from TNA. How did I not notice this?

Black Widow
06-11-2020, 04:23 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Fans Start Petition For WWE To STOP Putting Titles On Charlotte Flair<a href="https://t.co/jO8La7slVH">https://t.co/jO8La7slVH</a></p>&mdash; PWStream (@PWStream) <a href="https://twitter.com/PWStream/status/1270796978004398081?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>Wrestling fans only get more nerdy and nerdier everyday.

Mr. Nerfect
06-11-2020, 04:52 PM
Bret vs Austin, Bret vs Owen and Savage vs Steamboat

This ended up mine, but I really wanted to be HBK vs. Angle in there somewhere too.

Emperor Smeat
06-11-2020, 07:32 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Don’t try this at home (Mongo edition) <a href="https://twitter.com/ThatsOurMongo?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ThatsOurMongo</a> <a href="https://t.co/LVgIyfqZ2x">pic.twitter.com/LVgIyfqZ2x</a></p>&mdash; �������� (@liamrobey) <a href="https://twitter.com/liamrobey/status/1269627982177619968?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 7, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Ol Dirty Dastard
06-11-2020, 07:50 PM
Gertner thinking he could sneak those best matches by me.

Bad News Gertner
06-11-2020, 07:53 PM
The world needs to know what a carry job is. Two perfect examples of Bret being carried by better workers.

#1-norm-fan
06-11-2020, 08:37 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The greatest matches in <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WWE</a> history? <br><br>Pick three, the rest are erased from history ��<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWEBacklash?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWEBacklash</a> <a href="https://t.co/G76QR3NEC6">pic.twitter.com/G76QR3NEC6</a></p>&mdash; WWE on BT Sport (@btsportwwe) <a href="https://twitter.com/btsportwwe/status/1270390276817854471?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 9, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Macho Man vs. Steamboat, Bret vs. Austin, and Punk vs. Cena as my choices.

Whether you’re leaning toward historical impact or just match quality, Austin vs Bret has to be there. After that, I’d go Taker vs HBK and then Savage vs Steamboat.

Kind of a shit list overall.

Bad News Gertner
06-11-2020, 08:39 PM
I would remove half of those matches

#1-norm-fan
06-11-2020, 08:59 PM
I just realized Bret vs Owen is the SummerSlam cage match and NOT the WrestleMania X match. Weird. Makes those options even more questionable.

Droford
06-11-2020, 09:00 PM
Wait. Robert Stone on NXT is Robbie E from TNA. How did I not notice this?

Joaquin Wilde was DJ Z/ Zema Ion

Bad News Gertner
06-11-2020, 09:26 PM
pAyq3opVqn4

From the UK. Lol so good.

Emperor Smeat
06-11-2020, 09:31 PM
Whether you’re leaning toward historical impact or just match quality, Austin vs Bret has to be there. After that, I’d go Taker vs HBK and then Savage vs Steamboat.

Kind of a shit list overall.

If they had replaced Taker vs. HBK from Mania 25 with Taker vs. HBK II from Mania 26, that would have been my third pick. Liked the streak vs. career match more than their first Maina bout. Also no clue why the Taker photo has him with the World title since he wasn't the champ at Mania 25.

If it was my list, the only post-Attitude Era match from that list I'd keep would be Taker vs. HBK. Maybe Sasha vs. Bayley as well since that arguably was the best ever women's match in WWE history and one of the best ever in NXT history.

Bad News Gertner
06-11-2020, 10:01 PM
I just realized Bret vs Owen is the SummerSlam cage match and NOT the WrestleMania X match. Weird. Makes those options even more questionable.

I didn't notice that either

I like the Cena vs Punk Raw match to see who goes on to Wrestlemania better than their MITB match

Supreme Olajuwon
06-11-2020, 10:21 PM
HBK and Taker is probably the best match I’ve ever seen. The other ones are all great but that’s the only one I can definitively say is on my list.

Also, there’s a certain triple threat from a certain Wrestlemania that involves a certain murderer that would probably be on this list if not for said certain murder.

Bad News Gertner
06-11-2020, 11:06 PM
Hogan vs Rock at WM18 is the best match in WWE history

DaveWadding
06-12-2020, 02:11 AM
If they had replaced Taker vs. HBK from Mania 25 with Taker vs. HBK II from Mania 26, that would have been my third pick. Liked the streak vs. career match more than their first Maina bout. Also no clue why the Taker photo has him with the World title since he wasn't the champ at Mania 25.

This. But I was at that Wrasslemania too, so idk.

XL
06-12-2020, 05:44 AM
Joaquin Wilde was DJ Z/ Zema Ion

I know.

XL
06-12-2020, 05:54 AM
I just realized Bret vs Owen is the SummerSlam cage match and NOT the WrestleMania X match. Weird. Makes those options even more questionable.

I caught that and was :wtf: the SummerSlam match was the Cage Match right?

Mr. Nerfect
06-12-2020, 06:02 AM
Yeah, it is regarded as a classic, but it's more polarizing than some of their other matches. Personally, I really liked it.

Jordan
06-12-2020, 08:10 AM
I just realized Bret vs Owen is the SummerSlam cage match and NOT the WrestleMania X match. Weird. Makes those options even more questionable.

I think they cage match is a 5 star match and I rate the WM match just over 4. The Mania match is awesome but it's not the greatest match of all time. The story of that match evolved into the cage match at Summerslam for the blow off it's a lot more of a match to digest than the Mania match. I think you can literally see Bret editing himself in the Mania match where as at Summerslam they both really let loose on each other.

Jordan
06-12-2020, 08:12 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The greatest matches in <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WWE</a> history? <br><br>Pick three, the rest are erased from history ��<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWEBacklash?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWEBacklash</a> <a href="https://t.co/G76QR3NEC6">pic.twitter.com/G76QR3NEC6</a></p>&mdash; WWE on BT Sport (@btsportwwe) <a href="https://twitter.com/btsportwwe/status/1270390276817854471?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 9, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Macho Man vs. Steamboat, Bret vs. Austin, and Punk vs. Cena as my choices.

All are classic matches but I could've picked better options. Hell in a Cell Taker/Shawn should be an option. Also I'd put up Bret/Bulldog at Summerslam.

Evil Vito
06-12-2020, 08:47 AM
Punk/Cena is also probably a top 3 match all time for me, BUT since the idea is to only keep three and erase the rest....they pretty much butchered Punk's storyline with a month of that match so it wouldn't have the historical ramifcations.

Also I was at Takeover NY so Cole/Gargano will always have a soft spot for me because my god was that crowd electric.......but it's not even close to being as historically relevant to most of the matches on that list.

As for what I'd keep:

Getting rid of Savage/Steamboat would almost feel like getting rid of The Beatles. Every competent worker that came in in the 90s/2000s cited that match as a major influence growing up.

Bret/Austin is considered to be a major foundation layer for what was to come in the Attitude Era, was such a good hard hitting match and the image of a bloody Austin is iconic.

And then you get HBK/Taker. Protecting three Mania matches feels appropriate, especially a Streak match. Some of the best drama I've seen in a match, by this point I went into every Taker match assuming a win but by the end of it I was biting on every false finish. Shit I almost bit on Taker getting counted out when he fell back on his ass at 9 seconds. Not many matches in the last 15 years captured my attention like that one did.

Black Widow
06-12-2020, 09:23 AM
For anyone that doesn't look at AEW section

https://i.imgur.com/JTGJQ4H.jpg

Seanny One Ball
06-12-2020, 12:11 PM
That's the sort of thing you can expect from a man who's entire audience is attracted by outrage.
Pretending to be a moron will make you richer than your wildest dreams.

Bad News Gertner
06-12-2020, 12:28 PM
This is what I keep saying. People viewing anything other than WWE as minor league

Black Widow
06-12-2020, 12:31 PM
That's the sort of thing you can expect from a man who's entire audience is attracted by outrage.
Pretending to be a moron will make you richer than your wildest dreams.
What not being aware of a 2nd rate company that's only popular to internet nerds?

Mr. Nerfect
06-12-2020, 12:47 PM
It doesn’t need to be that way, but these “alternatives” make it so.

drave
06-12-2020, 01:20 PM
Feels like there is no good way to do it TBH.


Do stuff that isn't like WWE - you aren't good enough


Do stuff like WWE - get off their nuts.




What would make it NOT that?

Bad News Gertner
06-12-2020, 01:43 PM
Nothing. That's why I've maintained that AEW hit its ceiling in week 1. It's a niche audience of a niche audience.

drave
06-12-2020, 02:35 PM
So what makes it that then? Strictly the talent?

Bad News Gertner
06-12-2020, 03:12 PM
Brand recognition.

Emperor Smeat
06-12-2020, 06:30 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/TheLapsedFan?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheLapsedFan</a> I finally found one of the most elusive titles from the Coliseum Video collection! The Best of the WWF’s Stanky ‘Staches! Can’t wait to throw this bad boy into the VCR. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/lapsed?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#lapsed</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/lustinyourmoustache?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#lustinyourmoustache</a> <a href="https://t.co/HZgYWte9Sm">pic.twitter.com/HZgYWte9Sm</a></p>&mdash; Chromaslam (@Chromaslam) <a href="https://twitter.com/Chromaslam/status/1271536500434485255?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 12, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Damian Rey 2.0
06-12-2020, 07:23 PM
OMFG Smeat what a find lol

Damian Rey 2.0
06-12-2020, 07:26 PM
As far as AEW goes...

It's been a yr. They have a solid base, but Gertner is mostly right. They've peaked for now with their audience.

They could potentially grow but it's going to take years and they need something different to gain a bigger audience or take War's loyalists away. I have no idea how they do that.

Bad News Gertner
06-12-2020, 08:19 PM
Honestly, I thought Covid 19 was going to be a boon to AEW's and NXT's ratings, but it really hasn't done anything

Damian Rey 2.0
06-12-2020, 08:24 PM
The lack of crowd did them no favors. The energy just isn't the same and because AEW was limited on talent, the amount of storytelling they could do was limited. I don't recall the tag or women's titles being used at all.

I also think covid took a lot of eyes away and moved them to getting news via tv and social media.

Bad News Gertner
06-12-2020, 08:29 PM
I figured the lack of sports alone would have drawn more eyes

Emperor Smeat
06-12-2020, 08:36 PM
The lack of crowd did them no favors. The energy just isn't the same and because AEW was limited on talent, the amount of storytelling they could do was limited. I don't recall the tag or women's titles being used at all.

I also think covid took a lot of eyes away and moved them to getting news via tv and social media.

Pretty much this.

AEW and NXT being more action oriented meant they had the most to lose with the loss of crowds. AEW tried to mitigate that with wrestlers as the crowd but that was more of a stop gap than a real solution.

Combine that with news saturation on a level not seen in a long while and you end up with the perfect condition for people being pre-occupied or in no mood for wrestling even with the lack of sports. It did seem like things were starting to turn around a bit but then another major wave of news saturation hit with the police brutality protests and riots.

Emperor Smeat
06-12-2020, 08:41 PM
I figured the lack of sports alone would have drawn more eyes

That was the big assumption from the Observer and others but outside of the first week or two, that ended up not being the case at least in terms of live viewers. DVR numbers held up better for a while before crashing down.

Didn't help WWE resisted adapting to the situation until it was way too late which just made everything worse. That's the one downside of WWE having an iron grip over US wrestling and the mainstream equating them with wrestling.

Bad News Gertner
06-12-2020, 08:52 PM
Lol didn't the Korean Baseball League on ESPN draw something like 175,000 viewers on a 2am spot on a Tuesday last month

Damian Rey 2.0
06-12-2020, 08:56 PM
I mean, that's baseball. Teams are getting 100s of millions of dollars annually plus ad revenue on regional sport networks. The average baseball attendance live gate is like 20k I think. You can't compare wrestling to that.

I also think there was a thirst for the sports deprived fan from not having anything to watch. I'm too lazy to see if I heldupbut I wonder if the KBO ratings moved at all one way or the other.

Emperor Smeat
06-12-2020, 09:06 PM
Probably not at least in regards of viewership gains since ESPN stopped revealing their ratings numbers for KBO games after the first night or so.

slik
06-12-2020, 10:22 PM
https://i.imgur.com/SmInHkb.gif

Vastardikai
06-13-2020, 12:26 AM
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/Jk6T74T-0xg" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

A few thoughts.

1. Chris Champion looks like he'd fit right in with the AEW crowd.
2. I get this feeling that, after this match, Kevin told Rick to do that nasty looking clothesline more often. And the Steiner-line was born.

Jordan
06-13-2020, 09:59 AM
Only a WCW/JCP replay would be a worse shot than the original LOL.

Gerard
06-13-2020, 01:05 PM
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/S4X1N4zmfZY" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

A video where Bret Hart is actually laughing (something i don't think I've ever seen before), instead of being a miserable old prick which seems to constitute 99.9% of vids he's in.

Bad News Gertner
06-13-2020, 01:35 PM
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/Jk6T74T-0xg" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

A few thoughts.

1. Chris Champion looks like he'd fit right in with the AEW crowd.
2. I get this feeling that, after this match, Kevin told Rick to do that nasty looking clothesline more often. And the Steiner-line was born.


Lol Rick was probably concussed from that fucking kick Champion gave him. Not the first time Champion has done that.

Vastardikai
06-13-2020, 05:25 PM
Lol Rick was probably concussed from that fucking kick Champion gave him. Not the first time Champion has done that.

Probably. But that was NOT a bump he took off the clothesline.

Bad News Gertner
06-13-2020, 06:05 PM
Hahaha no it was not

Bad News Gertner
06-13-2020, 07:12 PM
Fucking yes


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/s2427dtvKH">pic.twitter.com/s2427dtvKH</a></p>&mdash; meng doing meng things (@AManCalledMeng) <a href="https://twitter.com/AManCalledMeng/status/1271833146842132483?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 13, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Mr. Nerfect
06-13-2020, 08:11 PM
Kind of surprised that Haku is not yet in the WWE Hall of Fame.

Mr. Nerfect
06-13-2020, 08:11 PM
For that dance alone.

Vastardikai
06-13-2020, 09:18 PM
For that dance alone.

Michael Jackson, Fred Astaire, Usher, all of them pale in comparison of the smooth moves of Haku.

He's in the room with me, SEND HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Droford
06-13-2020, 09:21 PM
I keep reading Lashley going to win the title because they want to do Lesnar vs Lashley.

Brock gonna end another Black wrestlers first championship reign lol

Plus it makes no sense unless Lesnar is suddenly a face, and face Brock is dumb

Emperor Smeat
06-13-2020, 10:04 PM
Michael Jackson, Fred Astaire, Usher, all of them pale in comparison of the smooth moves of Haku.

He's in the room with me, SEND HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not even Fandango and Alex Wright can stand toe-to-toe with Meng's mastery of the art of the dance.

Vastardikai
06-14-2020, 12:56 PM
https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/BafMQH84xNuoxG5CsGLO7Ho0BXE=/0x0:534x724/1200x0/filters:focal(0x0:534x724):no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/20027927/EaJ885oUEAAOe8p.jpg

Jimmy Carter wanted Mr. Wrestling 2 to make appearances with him, but the Secret Service wanted him to take his mask off, and he wouldn't.

Also, I chased the picture down because of a reference to it in a comment in a Corny video.

Emperor Smeat
06-14-2020, 04:21 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">wait a minute �� <a href="https://t.co/4TrVnZI14i">pic.twitter.com/4TrVnZI14i</a></p>&mdash; what will mongo do next? (@ThatsOurMongo) <a href="https://twitter.com/ThatsOurMongo/status/1272221414423224321?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Seanny One Ball
06-14-2020, 05:16 PM
What not being aware of a 2nd rate company that's only popular to internet nerds?

No, I was referring to his penchant for commenting on things he has no knowledge of...

Seanny One Ball
06-14-2020, 05:22 PM
Chris Champion is another one of the perverts of wrestling.
Kissing the young girls while dressed as a ninja turtle and all that shit.

Bad News Gertner
06-14-2020, 05:53 PM
Jamie Dundee maintains that the charges were bullshit because you can't get an erection through the Ninja Turtle costume

Emperor Smeat
06-14-2020, 06:18 PM
Apparently some new details regarding the plane incident from WWE's Crown Jewel event last year got revealed from a revised lawsuit currently against the company.

Mostly reveals who was the origin of the rumor of this being caused by a money issue and the plane's staff hinting this incident wasn't caused by them.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="in" dir="ltr">CW-2 summary. <a href="https://t.co/y5a4aa9Usv">pic.twitter.com/y5a4aa9Usv</a></p>&mdash; Wrestlenomics (@wrestlenomics) <a href="https://twitter.com/wrestlenomics/status/1272184294761529344?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Seanny One Ball
06-14-2020, 08:56 PM
Jamie Dundee maintains that the charges were bullshit because you can't get an erection through the Ninja Turtle costume


Brian Hildebrand did it all the time

Tom Guycott
06-14-2020, 11:47 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The greatest matches in <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WWE</a> history? <br><br>Pick three, the rest are erased from history ��<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWEBacklash?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWEBacklash</a> <a href="https://t.co/G76QR3NEC6">pic.twitter.com/G76QR3NEC6</a></p>&mdash; WWE on BT Sport (@btsportwwe) <a href="https://twitter.com/btsportwwe/status/1270390276817854471?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 9, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Macho Man vs. Steamboat, Bret vs. Austin, and Punk vs. Cena as my choices.

lol at Gargano and Cole being on that list

I'd almost agree with Smeat entirely, *but* instead of Punk vs. Cena, I'd scratch the Cole/Gargano match and vote Zayn vs. Nakamura in its stead. Its one of those that are insanely re-watchable and stands the test of time.

Savio
06-15-2020, 04:23 PM
https://i.imgur.com/077XYhd.png

Emperor Smeat
06-15-2020, 05:51 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Interesting <a href="https://t.co/hRu5OJXlx8">pic.twitter.com/hRu5OJXlx8</a></p>&mdash; ���������� �������������� (@ifyouseekcasey) <a href="https://twitter.com/ifyouseekcasey/status/1271994789148450817?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Charlotte's been averaging almost 1 title match every month from the women's side while Rollins has been averaging at least one per month on the men's side.

Lock Jaw
06-15-2020, 07:40 PM
Not title shots, but title matches... which would include when they were champ defending the belts

Emperor Smeat
06-15-2020, 07:53 PM
My bad, fixed the mistake. Not sure why I kept thinking it was just title shots and not also them defending their belts. Probably because of how many reigns Charlotte has had where she barely defended them successfully.


Meanwhile, seems WWE dropped their plans for the Forgotten Sons since they got pulled again from SD tapings.

You may have noticed the Forgotten Sons missing in action for the last two weeks. As of Monday morning, they weren't expected to be on the next two episodes of Smackdown either.

The team of Jaxson Ryker, Steve Cutler and Wesley Blake were primed for a push within the WWE Tag Team division, before a pro-Donald Trump tweet landed him in hot water with the locker room. Most of the WWE wrestlers that we've spoken to say that he was well liked ahead of that and very respectful. They also note that Blake and Cutler distanced their stances from his following the tweet, and even came in for a meeting with Mark Carrano, as well as other wrestlers.

However, the vignettes have stopped for the trio. They weren't on the last couple of episodes of Smackdown, and were not figured into plans for the tapings on Monday and Tuesday. The team was originally set to enter a program with New Day, which seems off the table considering Big E and Kofi lost to Cesaro and Shinsuke Nakamura. They could always be called in to film vignettes after the fact, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

Based on what we've heard, there's no heat on Wesley Blake or Steve Cutler, but they are catching the backlash from Ryker's tweet. It's worth noting that Ryker hasn't wrestled since the call-up.

Most we've talked to on the roster feel bad that Blake and Cutler are being lumped in with Ryker after the time they put in NXT to get called up.

NXT ref Drake Wuertz (former indie wrestler Drake Younger) is very lucky he didn't catch similar backlash since he also had a very ill timed and tone deaf tweet recently in support of Ryker's controversial tweet.

Seanny One Ball
06-15-2020, 09:31 PM
Anyone that can logically relate Randy Marsh to The Undertaker is to be listened to carefully.

Tom Guycott
06-15-2020, 11:58 PM
Anyone that can logically relate Randy Marsh to The Undertaker is to be listened to carefully.

While the focus of that post is a very valid, the writer's validity gets called into question when it refers to Michelle McCool as both "legendary performer" and "architect of the Women's Revolution" with no way to discern if this is sarcastic hyperbole or a thing that the OP wholeheartedly believes.

Mr. Nerfect
06-16-2020, 03:26 AM
It sucks for Blake and Cutler. I hope they find something else for them to do.

XL
06-16-2020, 04:27 AM
While the focus of that post is a very valid, the writer's validity gets called into question when it refers to Michelle McCool as both "legendary performer" and "architect of the Women's Revolution" with no way to discern if this is sarcastic hyperbole or a thing that the OP wholeheartedly believes.

I think the sarcasm is pretty clear.

XL
06-16-2020, 04:36 AM
But then I think the OP has misunderstood the documentary. It’s not about how he feels obliged to come back for the fans (although he might tell himself that). It’s about how he’s stuck in this cycle, that he knows he needs to break but, like many before him, he can’t let go.

He goes from “I can’t do this like I used to/disappointed in the match” to “I must redeem myself” to “that was pretty good/I feel good”, then has another stinker (tag match vs. DX, match vs. Goldberg), and the cycle starts again.

Honestly, it’s a pretty sad thing to watch as a fan, but I think McCool comes off pretty well in the doc; she knows she can’t tell him not to, and that he has to reach his own conclusion. She let the guy leave their family weekend at Mania to fly back from New York to Texas to get his gear to do a 5 minute throwaway segment on Raw the night after.

slik
06-16-2020, 01:37 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Many <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWE?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWE</a> fans will remember this arena, it hosted many events and PPVs over the years including:<br><br>WrestleMania 2<br>Evolution<br>SummerSlam 2002<a href="https://t.co/0sTsjCmuZl">https://t.co/0sTsjCmuZl</a></p>&mdash; Kenton (@Kenton_la) <a href="https://twitter.com/Kenton_la/status/1272945965536772096?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Gerard
06-16-2020, 01:43 PM
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/E-qpG_PpdkY" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>


:wtf:

Evil Vito
06-16-2020, 02:00 PM
https://i.redd.it/wlbi9mrlpa451.jpg

God I wish they would bring back that belt. It's a clean and classic look that never goes out of style.

Bad News Gertner
06-16-2020, 02:46 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Many <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWE?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWE</a> fans will remember this arena, it hosted many events and PPVs over the years including:<br><br>WrestleMania 2<br>Evolution<br>SummerSlam 2002<a href="https://t.co/0sTsjCmuZl">https://t.co/0sTsjCmuZl</a></p>&mdash; Kenton (@Kenton_la) <a href="https://twitter.com/Kenton_la/status/1272945965536772096?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Notorious for having God awful crowds. The Nassau Mausoleum

Evil Vito
06-16-2020, 03:31 PM
I wouldn’t want to sit in Nassau Coliseum for a wrestling show either. The upper deck seats were ungodly cramped and uncomfortable. Sitting there for three 20-minute periods was hard enough, never mind a 3 hour show.

Mr. Nerfect
06-16-2020, 04:35 PM
WWE does have some shitty belts these days. I don’t mind the Raw Women’s. But they could all do with a re-design.

Emperor Smeat
06-16-2020, 08:32 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This picture ������ <a href="https://t.co/rP62J42Ha0">pic.twitter.com/rP62J42Ha0</a></p>&mdash; Fightful Wrestling (@FightfulWrestle) <a href="https://twitter.com/FightfulWrestle/status/1272748765129117696?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Mr. Nerfect
06-16-2020, 09:59 PM
Christian's facial expressions are so good. Pain combined with a "Fuck, I did trust Ric Flair, didn't I?"

Tom Guycott
06-17-2020, 12:43 AM
I think the sarcasm is pretty clear.

I don't. Mainly because we live in a world where the Bella Twins are going into the HoF and people really believe HHH is one of the greatest of all time in hindsight when his career either setting others up for their moment or a lot of "get off my TV" heat when he was the focus. Some people might actually believe this shit.

But then I think the OP has misunderstood the documentary. It’s not about how he feels obliged to come back for the fans (although he might tell himself that). It’s about how he’s stuck in this cycle, that he knows he needs to break but, like many before him, he can’t let go.

He goes from “I can’t do this like I used to/disappointed in the match” to “I must redeem myself” to “that was pretty good/I feel good”, then has another stinker (tag match vs. DX, match vs. Goldberg), and the cycle starts again.

Honestly, it’s a pretty sad thing to watch as a fan, but I think McCool comes off pretty well in the doc; she knows she can’t tell him not to, and that he has to reach his own conclusion. She let the guy leave their family weekend at Mania to fly back from New York to Texas to get his gear to do a 5 minute throwaway segment on Raw the night after.

At this point, Taker isn't much different than Terry Funk. Although I don't mean that insultingly, because that's good company... that isn't exactly a compliment, either.

XL
06-17-2020, 05:03 AM
Yep. Definitely in the Funk/Flair territory. Though to be fair, unlike either of those guys, Taker has never actually said he’s retired.

Emperor Smeat
06-17-2020, 04:25 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/mRNuZOcRY7">pic.twitter.com/mRNuZOcRY7</a></p>&mdash; what will mongo do next? (@ThatsOurMongo) <a href="https://twitter.com/ThatsOurMongo/status/1272706886945714182?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Black Widow
06-17-2020, 05:00 PM
https://i.imgur.com/077XYhd.pngMost fan's(sorry internet isn't most fans)wish he retired years ago but yet still gets a louder reaction than whatever their favorite from the HS gyms get.

Also who's forcing this stupid bastard to sit and watch?:rofl:

Bad News Gertner
06-17-2020, 05:44 PM
Tim Hornbaker's Death of The Territories book just came in the mail today! Can't wait to read it.

About halfway through and it's hands down the most interesting wrestling book I've ever read.

Jordan
06-17-2020, 06:20 PM
About halfway through and it's hands down the most interesting wrestling book I've ever read.

I'll order a copy. :y::y:

slik
06-17-2020, 11:54 PM
https://i.imgur.com/077XYhd.png

That's how I feel too.

It's a good doc series but I can't 'feel bad' for Taker/Michelle, it's all his own choice.

Emperor Smeat
06-18-2020, 12:29 AM
Feel the same.

Had the series been just the first episode, it would have been among the best documentaries ever made by WWE. Had the perfect storybook ending for Taker's career and more people would have remembered the defining moment of him leaving with his hat and gear in the ring than the quality of the match itself.

The latter episodes, while good, makes it hard to feel sorry for Taker's dilemma since he's had several chances to redeem himself and go out on his own terms but stubbornly keeps learning the wrong lessons. He's like the Brett Farve of wrestling in that regards.

Jordan
06-18-2020, 08:45 AM
Feel the same.

Had the series been just the first episode, it would have been among the best documentaries ever made by WWE. Had the perfect storybook ending for Taker's career and more people would have remembered the defining moment of him leaving with his hat and gear in the ring than the quality of the match itself.

The latter episodes, while good, makes it hard to feel sorry for Taker's dilemma since he's had several chances to redeem himself and go out on his own terms but stubbornly keeps learning the wrong lessons. He's like the Brett Farve of wrestling in that regards.

It is what it is though. Yes he should have retired much earlier, but the story is what it is. I guess this all leads to one final match with AJ.

XL
06-18-2020, 12:48 PM
<s>Mustafa</s> Ali was been moved to Raw. He was heavily tipped to be the hacker on SmackDown. Guess they scrapped that.

Emperor Smeat
06-18-2020, 05:06 PM
It is what it is though. Yes he should have retired much earlier, but the story is what it is. I guess this all leads to one final match with AJ.

Would have to be next year though since he sort of already gave it away that the documentary doesn't end with him saying his match at Mania 36 was his last.

He still wants to wrestle again at Mania but won't do so next year if no crowds are around. All depends on what happens with Round 2 of the coronavirus.

Vastardikai
06-18-2020, 06:44 PM
So, Corny posted an audio clip of a thing I saw a few years ago, on the Freedom Fighters, Steve and Jim, and Regional Legend Phil Hickerson. Mainly talking up Phil Hickerson, because the guy had some fire to him. He had one of the top 50 lines I have ever heard. And Phil was strong as an Ox.

I wonder what ever happened to ol' Steve and Jim...

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/XIfRSKJ_Vgo" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

slik
06-18-2020, 06:57 PM
Charlotte coming for dat title


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Raw Women's Title will be ON THE LINE during a Championship Monday edition of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWERaw?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWERaw</a>!<a href="https://twitter.com/WWEAsuka?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WWEAsuka</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/MsCharlotteWWE?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MsCharlotteWWE</a> <a href="https://t.co/07rLPOmI4y">https://t.co/07rLPOmI4y</a></p>&mdash; WWE (@WWE) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE/status/1273746728202706946?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 18, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Black Widow
06-18-2020, 07:03 PM
At least I'll know to pay attention to something on the show

Emperor Smeat
06-18-2020, 07:37 PM
Charlotte coming for dat title


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Raw Women's Title will be ON THE LINE during a Championship Monday edition of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWERaw?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWERaw</a>!<a href="https://twitter.com/WWEAsuka?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WWEAsuka</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/MsCharlotteWWE?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MsCharlotteWWE</a> <a href="https://t.co/07rLPOmI4y">https://t.co/07rLPOmI4y</a></p>&mdash; WWE (@WWE) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE/status/1273746728202706946?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 18, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I'd put money down on Charlotte winning via DQ.

She already has a pin and countout win over Asuka with the only thing missing is a DQ win to complete the trifecta of lame finishes from their matches.

Savio
06-19-2020, 12:14 PM
We should prob merge these related posts with the "British wrestlers #MeToo" thread and change the name or something.

Triple A
06-19-2020, 12:27 PM
Yeah I will do that...

Bad News Gertner
06-20-2020, 10:44 AM
Mike Chioda was on Talk is Jericho this week .

Really interesting interview. Check it out.

Mr. Nerfect
06-20-2020, 10:51 AM
Really interested to hear that. Has he quit smoking? Not judging either way.

Bad News Gertner
06-20-2020, 11:20 AM
Lol he doesn't sound like it

Ol Dirty Dastard
06-20-2020, 01:08 PM
That's how I feel too.

It's a good doc series but I can't 'feel bad' for Taker/Michelle, it's all his own choice.

Honestly, I find most wrestling (especially WWE) docs to be the drizzling shits. Even Taker's I was bored within a few minutes.

If you think about it, none of the "revelations" are surprising.

Best one I've seen by far is Beyond the Mat because it wasn't completely sanitized. Though, that's obviously not WWE produced, which is why they hated it, cuz it at least was somewhat honest.

Seanny One Ball
06-20-2020, 01:19 PM
The guy on the trampoline doing the smallest weights I've ever seen was a reel highlight

Gerard
06-20-2020, 04:05 PM
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/aTXlPZAQbIE" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Emperor Smeat
06-20-2020, 06:07 PM
According to the Observer, seems a potential partnership between MLW and NJPW might be in the works. Basis for the rumor involves the tapings NJPW held in secret in California last week and had MLW's Tom Lawlor showing up to wrestle a couple of matches against NJPW talent.

Assuming its true, that could clear the road for a potential NJPW and AEW partnership in the future since NJPW might be lessening their rules against having rival partners. Both MLW and AEW share the same partnership with AAA while NJPW is still partnered with CMLL in Mexico.

Jordan
06-20-2020, 07:34 PM
Oh man we need a Heyman/Conrad show now.

Emperor Smeat
06-20-2020, 07:38 PM
Seems the final episode of Undertaker: The Last Ride series has something major in it since WWE didn't bother to send out any advance screenings to outlets unlike with previous episodes.

The final episode of Undertaker - Last Ride will debut tomorrow at 10 AM. WWE did not provide an advance screener this week, likely to prevent spoilers from emerging.

Jordan
06-20-2020, 07:42 PM
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/bpkV9LNni70" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

My favorite thing

Supreme Olajuwon
06-20-2020, 08:53 PM
The guy on the trampoline doing the smallest weights I've ever seen was a reel highlight

https://i.makeagif.com/media/4-19-2015/bfVbOa.gif

He’s not booked.

James Steele
06-20-2020, 10:22 PM
Someone please post his Nation of Domination titantron. I’m on my phone or I would.

Here is the link:

https://youtu.be/S-udzBWFHDs

James Steele
06-20-2020, 10:25 PM
Dennis Stamp tribute video set to Creed

https://youtu.be/KmvDbZTwLdU

Seanny One Ball
06-20-2020, 10:59 PM
I like how he sees Terry Funk and immediately manipulates the poor broken old bastard.
I can just imagine how many times that must have happened to old Terry before a show. Constantly dragging a gaggle of emaciated old wrestlers ready to step in on a minutes notice.

Damian Rey 2.0
06-21-2020, 01:44 AM
My god i love that Dennis Stamp nation video

Vastardikai
06-21-2020, 09:01 AM
Someone please post his Nation of Domination titantron. I’m on my phone or I would.

Here is the link:

https://youtu.be/S-udzBWFHDs

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/S-udzBWFHDs" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Droford
06-21-2020, 02:12 PM
Seems the final episode of Undertaker: The Last Ride series has something major in it since WWE didn't bother to send out any advance screenings to outlets unlike with previous episodes.

He's announcing his retirement and speculation that he's going into the HOF if/ when they do the HOF

Gerard
06-21-2020, 02:35 PM
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/-fxB7c85zUg" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Seems he's done, for now.

Seanny One Ball
06-21-2020, 03:00 PM
Dennis Stamp tribute video set to Creed

KmvDbZTwLdU

Hoping this is what I think it is

Seanny One Ball
06-21-2020, 03:01 PM
Nope, rubbish

James Steele
06-21-2020, 06:06 PM
Fuck, last episode of The Last Ride got me. :'(

Gerard
06-21-2020, 06:46 PM
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/rZJnJ84fsCU" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Pre-WWE, Pre-Plastic Surgery, Pre-Teeth Whitening and Veneers, Pre-Shitty Tattoos and Pre-Multiple Marriages.

Emperor Smeat
06-21-2020, 06:51 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This belongs in the Rock-n-Roll Hall of Fame! Who’s with me? <a href="https://t.co/ZDh3esWtcy">https://t.co/ZDh3esWtcy</a></p>&mdash; Hurricane Helms (@ShaneHelmsCom) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShaneHelmsCom/status/1274714970643668999?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 21, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Bad News Gertner
06-21-2020, 08:28 PM
Lol what a great fucking gimmick.

Ol Dirty Dastard
06-21-2020, 09:03 PM
lol when tank abbott joins them.

Bad News Gertner
06-21-2020, 09:47 PM
I totally forgot that song was their second song

Lock Jaw
06-21-2020, 10:21 PM
So did I until your remark.... even after watching that video, I was thinking "Oh, they planted the seeds of Tank Abbott liking their music that early?"

Evil Vito
06-21-2020, 10:42 PM
Al Snow's wrestling school is structured like a college degree program

https://aswa.live/aswa/academy-curriculum/

Jordan
06-22-2020, 10:31 AM
If you think on it, Al Snow is probably the most old school of all trainers there is. He wrestled in the early 80's quite extensively. I bet he's hell.

Ol Dirty Dastard
06-22-2020, 10:38 AM
I was listneing to a podcast about the tough enough when Bob Holly roughed up Capotelli. And the podcasters noted how obvious it was that it was the doing of Al Snow. Holly might have "done the deed" but Snow was clearly pulling the strings.

When you learn how pissed off Holly already was, especially with his neck injury, it tends to add up.

Seanny One Ball
06-22-2020, 10:58 AM
Al Snow tells a good story about making it through Ole and Gene Anderson's training try outs. I can see him putting the youngsters through that.

Evil Vito
06-22-2020, 11:01 AM
I was listneing to a podcast about the tough enough when Bob Holly roughed up Capotelli. And the podcasters noted how obvious it was that it was the doing of Al Snow. Holly might have "done the deed" but Snow was clearly pulling the strings.

When you learn how pissed off Holly already was, especially with his neck injury, it tends to add up.

I believe Al said in a separate interview that Holly roughing up Cappotelli was bullshit and more the result of the fact that Bob and other guys resented the Tough Enough kids for getting the perceived fast track.

Of course, he could just be bullshitting the interviewer to cover himself.

Ol Dirty Dastard
06-22-2020, 11:07 AM
That is probably just Al babyfacing himself.

slik
06-22-2020, 12:21 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Finn Balor reveals his dad has recently undergone two serious surgeries AND has beaten coronavirus �� <br><br>'In less than a year he had a triple heart by pass, a replaced hip and beat COVID-19. Brock Lesner is next' ��<br><br>Great news. <a href="https://t.co/qVRVDfPAuh">pic.twitter.com/qVRVDfPAuh</a></p>&mdash; GiveMeSport WWE &amp; Wrestling (@GMS_WWE) <a href="https://twitter.com/GMS_WWE/status/1274994284152918016?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 22, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Emperor Smeat
06-22-2020, 06:07 PM
Took less than a year for FOX to start having some regrets over their WWE deal.

WWE Backstage will no longer be a weekly show as part of recent restructuring plans going on at FS1.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">FS1 is scaling back production on its boxing and WWE shoulder programming. &quot;WWE Backstage will not longer be produced weekly. It is eliminating &quot;Inside PBC.&quot; Double digit job losses as a result. SBJ Media will have the full story tonight.</p>&mdash; John Ourand (@Ourand_SBJ) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ourand_SBJ/status/1275172159820873729?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 22, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

slik
06-22-2020, 06:21 PM
Satin gone from it


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Thanks to everyone at <a href="https://twitter.com/FS1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@FS1</a> for the opportunity to work on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWEBackstage?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWEBackstage</a>! I had a blast working with <a href="https://twitter.com/ReneeYoungWWE?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ReneeYoungWWE</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/BookerT5x?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BookerT5x</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/RealPaigeWWE?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RealPaigeWWE</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/jacobu?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@jacobu</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/grossman?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@grossman</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/bradweimer?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@bradweimer</a> and every single person I came into contact with on the show. I learned a lot working with you all. <a href="https://t.co/iLnYF0jGyj">https://t.co/iLnYF0jGyj</a></p>&mdash; Ryan Satin (@ryansatin) <a href="https://twitter.com/ryansatin/status/1275174597214732289?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 22, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Emperor Smeat
06-22-2020, 06:25 PM
Wonder if he's going to change his tone with his coverage of WWE news or still kiss the company's ass in order to keep most favored status with them.

Once he got hired for that show, he pretty much quickly pulled a 180 with how he covered and reported WWE news, especially with stuff that was controversial or negative towards the company.

Supreme Olajuwon
06-22-2020, 09:39 PM
https://i.makeagif.com/media/4-19-2015/bfVbOa.gif

He’s not booked.

This seems like a good entry point to discuss one of my lifelong brain cramps.

I am used to watching dozens of men wearing briefs in the ring every week. I think nothing of it.


But if I see a wrestler wearing just briefs and nothing else, no boots, no wrist tape, my brain instantly says “that’s a dude in his underwear”

Damian Rey 2.0
06-23-2020, 01:35 AM
Same

Fignuts
06-23-2020, 06:12 AM
Same

Evil Vito
06-23-2020, 06:59 AM
https://gamefaqs1.cbsistatic.com/user_image/4/7/2/AAb0v6AAAmM4.jpg

Ol Dirty Dastard
06-23-2020, 07:38 AM
https://gamefaqs1.cbsistatic.com/user_image/4/7/2/AAb0v6AAAmM4.jpg

I remember Al saying this and it was super annoying.

Evil Vito
06-23-2020, 08:07 AM
lol yeah. He gets irked that so many people in the business regard Savage/Steamboat as the best match at WM3. He doesn't even think it's subjective, Hogan/Andre had to be the best match because it's what drew the gate.

He gets so hung up on the wording of it too. "Hogan/Andre had the most important match", "NO, they brought in the money, therefore had the BEST FUCKING MATCH"

Ol Dirty Dastard
06-23-2020, 08:17 AM
I get where he's coming from. He's trying to make the point that all the other matches mean nothing without the big draw. It's a fair point and honestly, Hogan and Andre, despite its limitations, really did work as a match. But I think it's a bit simplistic and - yea - I feel like the viewing audience can be enthralled by a match that isn't a big money draw.

Evil Vito
06-23-2020, 08:19 AM
I get his point too, but I've actually started following promotions because a midcard match blew me away and made me want to check out more. Maybe I'm in the minority.

Ol Dirty Dastard
06-23-2020, 08:26 AM
Maybe I'm in the minority.

You are. For wrestling to transcend a niche audience, you need the big, flashy names that draw people in.

Yes, the workrate guys are great to keep people invested until the main event. But that marquee match is literally EVERYTHING as far as attracting attention goes.

I still don't think that means Hogan/Andre the best match on the show though. Definitely the biggest spectacle and most profitable.

Evil Vito
06-23-2020, 08:46 AM
Oh yeah no doubt it was the biggest attraction. I just think trying to make it sound like “best match” isn’t even a matter of opinion is a bit daft. Different strokes for different folks and all that.

The one good thing about that line of thinking is that I’d imagine Al discourages his wrestlers from taking any unnecessary dangerous bumps or whatever since everything is window dressing before the main.

Ol Dirty Dastard
06-23-2020, 09:06 AM
In saying that, how important were those TLC matches towards the end of the attitude era?

Supreme Olajuwon
06-23-2020, 09:22 AM
One problem for me is that with the length of pay per views these days, I’m usually either burnt out or just done watching the show by the time the main event comes on so I don’t really care about it. I haven’t watched a Wrestlemania main event since 31.

Jordan
06-23-2020, 09:30 AM
I get his point too, but I've actually started following promotions because a midcard match blew me away and made me want to check out more. Maybe I'm in the minority.

I am not a main event mark at all. Always loved the whole card.

Sepholio
06-23-2020, 10:52 AM
Charlotte supposedly legit injured which is why they did the whole angle with Nia injuring her shoulder or w/e. Actual injury hasn't been disclosed but she is going to be out awhile for surgery. Rumors saying she isn't expected back until Royal Rumble season.

drave
06-23-2020, 11:16 AM
Some ironic comedy there when they make Nia Jax injuring someone a "story line".

Gerard
06-23-2020, 11:39 AM
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/Ppz9E934kyY" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>



:wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf:

slik
06-23-2020, 12:45 PM
Some ironic comedy there when they make Nia Jax injuring someone a "story line".

LMAO

Emperor Smeat
06-23-2020, 05:26 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Consistently floored by Naughty Dog's attention to detail. <a href="https://t.co/6j2MbkGzXw">pic.twitter.com/6j2MbkGzXw</a></p>&mdash; Dan Ryckert (@DanRyckert) <a href="https://twitter.com/DanRyckert/status/1275234839684419584?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 23, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Ol Dirty Dastard
06-23-2020, 05:42 PM
Stumbled upon this on my YouTube wormhole

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/MrFFvX0WUGo" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

SPLOOGE

Emperor Smeat
06-23-2020, 09:45 PM
Apparently the reason why refs rarely get referenced by name and the lack of a modern day Earl Hebner in WWE in recent years is due to Vince kept forgetting who they were and got annoyed that commentary routinely knew their names better than he did.

It's often said the best referees in wrestling are the ones you don't notice. Though WWE has identified head officials such as Earl Hebner throughout their history, in recent years, referees are there to do their job and not be mentioned.

Why is that?

Mike Chioda, who had been with WWE for 30 years before being released in April, provided a reason on Talk is Jericho.

"I believe it was they were saying the referee's names too much. It wasn't with me, it was with another referee, and [Vince] didn't recognize their name and he was like, 'Who is this?' They said, 'Oh, it's the referee.' He goes, 'Goddamnit, I'm done hearing the referee's name. I don't want to hear his name no more.' They were putting him over too much and he didn't recognize the name," he said.

Chris Jericho noted that Vince's reaction was "Classic Vince."

Chioda joked that Vince would use the phrase, "'Referees, they don't sell tickets, they comp tickets.'"

Though Vince might not know the names of some referees, he always had a good relationship with Chioda.

"It was always a good relationship, on the fly, Vince is a very busy man. There was a time years ago when we would have more conversations. Not so many in the last so many years. Vince comes out of the office, goes to Gorilla, will be there for some rehearsals. My relationship with Vince was awesome over 35 years," he said. "[Vince] said, 'I need you to put these rules into effect with young talent. Whatever you do, I will back you up.' He would always tell me, 'If you ever have to count him out, I don't give a damn. You do your job and make them work around you.'"

Tom Guycott
06-24-2020, 12:26 AM
Charlotte supposedly legit injured which is why they did the whole angle with Nia injuring her shoulder or w/e. Actual injury hasn't been disclosed but she is going to be out awhile for surgery. Rumors saying she isn't expected back until Royal Rumble season.

Some ironic comedy there when they make Nia Jax injuring someone a "story line".

Gonna ride past the low hanging fruit of Nia Jax and injury being used jointly again like she's so much All Red Everything, and instead ask: isn't an injury angle what they did back when Charlotte's boob caught a flat? Wonder if this is another tire rotation...

drave
06-24-2020, 10:40 AM
It isn't low hanging if it's true though.


I had it on in the background and as soon as I heard her theme, I said out loud "oh shit, wonder who is getting injured tonight." It's shitty that its the first thought, but its the first thought for a very valid, and visible reason.


The fact it was worked into an angle is even more hilarious, but also sad. Seems as though the writers went for the low hanging fruit.

Gerard
06-24-2020, 01:27 PM
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/XplaXSJUVUM" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Black Widow
06-24-2020, 01:52 PM
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/XplaXSJUVUM" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>Your favorite has some to that can be found im sure.

Evil Vito
06-24-2020, 02:09 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/UsBFnBDMyY">pic.twitter.com/UsBFnBDMyY</a></p>&mdash; Shane Mercer (@theirondemon) <a href="https://twitter.com/theirondemon/status/1270447254860713984?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 9, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Gerard
06-24-2020, 03:36 PM
Your favorite has some to that can be found im sure.

Who would that be? :wtf:

Black Widow
06-24-2020, 04:06 PM
Idk but gonna take a guess and say they ani't in wwe.

Gerard
06-24-2020, 05:15 PM
Idk but gonna take a guess and say they ani't in wwe.

Don't have any favourites in general, probably because i only watch the odd show now and again and highlights on youtube.

Bad News Gertner
06-24-2020, 08:05 PM
Been hoping this would pop up on youtube forever. In May 1985 the WWF did an all jobber edition of Tuesday Night Titans. It's fucking amazing. Rusty Brooks who is by far the highlight of this episode appears at the 18 minute mark with Jim Powers and my buddy Jose Luis Rivera.

thI_Lz-4QKg

Mr. Nerfect
06-25-2020, 01:29 AM
Don't know if it popped up in here, but MLW is teasing a working relationship with New Japan.

Mr. Nerfect
06-25-2020, 01:36 AM
MLW have been pretty quiet achievers. They haven't started with the world's largest budget, but they've managed to build things up quite well. They just announced that DAZN deal and that Tom Lawlor will be working with New Japan.

They were teasing meetings with NBC Universal and some other networks (Showtime, I think). It'd be great if something fell out of those when the restrictions lift.

slik
06-25-2020, 02:14 AM
I remember reading MLW might have been in talks w/ CBS for their CBS Now service or Showtime as you mentioned above, before rona, but I don't know now.

The NJPW stuff is good, I like MLW when I catch it. Battle Riott is a good idea.

Emperor Smeat
06-25-2020, 02:31 AM
In terms of tv expansion, MLW pretty much is what ROH should have been had Sinclair actually cared to invest in the company for the long term and not simply view them as just cheap programming. Sinclair's mentality has changed over the past year but the brand's image still has a lot of fixing to do.

In terms of show and match quality, ROH mostly blows MLW out of the water. Could probably make a case of them being closer in quality since Jay Lethal's 2nd title reign but ROH might still hold the edge. Biggest criticism about MLW since its revival has been their in-ring stuff being their biggest weakness despite having a pretty good roster available, especially with AAA lending them talent.

Evil Vito
06-25-2020, 04:10 PM
Alexa Bliss' boyfriend, singer-songwriter Ryan Cabrera, has received numerous death threats over Twitter after Bliss confirmed their relationship.

Bad News Gertner
06-25-2020, 05:37 PM
Because wrestling fans.

Lock Jaw
06-25-2020, 06:34 PM
"If you were out of the way, I would totally have a shot!"

ClockShot
06-25-2020, 06:47 PM
Alexa Bliss' boyfriend, singer-songwriter Ryan Cabrera, has received numerous death threats over Twitter after Bliss confirmed their relationship.

That guy's still around?

*shrugs*

Just, don't tell RP. He might fly off the handle.

Bad News Gertner
06-25-2020, 07:10 PM
RP hasn't been seen in a month.

Probably caught the Corona

slik
06-25-2020, 08:08 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">With the <a href="https://twitter.com/WWEUniverse?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WWEUniverse</a> still buzzing over <a href="https://twitter.com/WWENetwork?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WWENetwork</a>'s <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TheLastRide?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#TheLastRide</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SmackDown?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SmackDown</a> will feature a special “Tribute To The Undertaker” tomorrow night.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ThankYouTaker?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ThankYouTaker</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/undertaker?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@undertaker</a> <a href="https://t.co/Q5TqsGoCph">https://t.co/Q5TqsGoCph</a></p>&mdash; WWE (@WWE) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE/status/1276304914214457345?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 26, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

slik
06-25-2020, 08:10 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/OnThisDayInWWE?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#OnThisDayInWWE</a> 10 years ago on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SmackDown?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SmackDown</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/CodyRhodes?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@CodyRhodes</a> celebrated being voted most handsome by the WWE Divas <br><br>(This was also <a href="https://twitter.com/WWEBrayWyatt?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WWEBrayWyatt</a>'s main roster debut) <a href="https://t.co/bwpvWfscZJ">pic.twitter.com/bwpvWfscZJ</a></p>&mdash; On This Day in WWE (@WWEotd) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWEotd/status/1276150178718900224?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 25, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Bad News Gertner
06-25-2020, 08:15 PM
My favourite Cody Rhodes

slik
06-25-2020, 08:15 PM
Going to need to update that logo/color scheme...


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WWE have confirmed that the full title of this year’s Extreme Rules is “Extreme Rules: The Horror Show” via an article on <a href="https://t.co/aBL0CeB0Hu">https://t.co/aBL0CeB0Hu</a></p>&mdash; Gary Cassidy (@WrestlingGary) <a href="https://twitter.com/WrestlingGary/status/1276306676547813381?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 26, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Black Widow
06-25-2020, 08:22 PM
Alexa Bliss' boyfriend, singer-songwriter Ryan Cabrera, has received numerous death threats over Twitter after Bliss confirmed their relationship.
Literally have never heard this guys name before he can't be too famous

slik
06-25-2020, 08:25 PM
He was a one or two hit wonder in like 2004

slik
06-25-2020, 08:32 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A contestant on Wheel of Fortune said her favorite wrestler is Randy Savage, and then had an awkward conversation with Pat Sajak about how Macho Man is dead <a href="https://t.co/ZjiCOwYiws">pic.twitter.com/ZjiCOwYiws</a></p>&mdash; dhm (@dhm) <a href="https://twitter.com/dhm/status/1276301928784420865?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 25, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Bad News Gertner
06-25-2020, 08:35 PM
Sean Mooney ended his podcast this week. Had a nice run. He had some pretty unique guests on so it was a good listen.

Emperor Smeat
06-25-2020, 09:36 PM
Besides Ricky Starks, seems NWA is about to lose another notable star from their roster.

NWA TV Champion Zicky Dice has reportedly requested his release from the company, according to Fightful Select.

It was noted that while nothing is official yet, the request has been granted.

NWA officials reportedly sent out an email to talent, staring that they didn’t want any talent with the company that didn’t believe in their vision moving forward. The contract releases reportedly do not include any specific instructions outside of a non-disparagement clause.

NWA recently lost former TV Champion Ricky Starks as well, who is now with AEW. He and Dice are friends and have continued to produce content together.

Add Thunder Rosa as well who has shown recent public interest in working elsewhere.

Out of the Big 6 promotions in the US (WWE, AEW, Impact, ROH, MLW, & NWA), NWA is on the shakiest ground in terms of finances based on past comments by Billy Corgan and former VP David Lagana.

Vastardikai
06-25-2020, 11:36 PM
This sucks, because Zicky Dice is great. I am sure a promotion who needs a midcard heel will snap him up.

Emperor Smeat
06-25-2020, 11:50 PM
On the bright side, Tessa Blanchard is now available since she just got fired from Impact.

slik
06-25-2020, 11:58 PM
I don't know if AEW/WWE will want to sign her if those rumors of her being toxic to deal with are true

slik
06-26-2020, 12:00 AM
Becky looks great with her natural hair color


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erickman
06-26-2020, 12:27 AM
I don't know if AEW/WWE will want to sign her if those rumors of her being toxic to deal with are true

yeah i don't know what happened to her not even making vids for them, almost like like she fell off the edge of aj styles earth. wonder if that dago dude is giving her bad advice, you would figure with her dad and step dad she would know better. hope she gives the belt back.

Droford
06-26-2020, 12:35 AM
I would honestly rather have Tessa in AEW but its one of those things where it makes too much sense so it probably won't happen. The only positive with her going to WWE is a Charlotte feud but with Tully in AEW it limits s what they can do

erickman
06-26-2020, 12:59 AM
vince won't hire her too much bagage, her holding up a belt, to add to her not getting along with the other women.

Emperor Smeat
06-26-2020, 01:14 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Impact World Champions of the Anthem era:<br><br>Alberto (Fired as champ)<br>Eli Drake (Fired a year and a half later)<br>Pentagon Jr (AEW)<br>Aries (Left company at the end of his reign, had a public tantrum on PPV when he lost)<br>Johnny Impact (WWE)<br>Brian Cage (AEW)<br>Sami<br>Tessa (Fired as champ)</p>&mdash; Trevor Dame (@TrevorDame) <a href="https://twitter.com/TrevorDame/status/1276346386854756352?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 26, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Emperor Smeat
06-26-2020, 01:27 AM
I would honestly rather have Tessa in AEW but its one of those things where it makes too much sense so it probably won't happen. The only positive with her going to WWE is a Charlotte feud but with Tully in AEW it limits s what they can do

I'd be surprised if she signed with either company.

Even when WWE was in talent hoard mode, they showed little interest in signing her whenever she was available. Too much of a bad rep within WWE from past encounters there and a bunch of WWE's female locker room doesn't like her over past incidents.

She'd be too much of a PR nightmare for AEW considering her past racism accusations and at least one in AEW's female locker room doesn't like her because of past issues.

Fignuts
06-26-2020, 01:36 AM
vince won't hire her too much bagage, her holding up a belt, to add to her not getting along with the other women.

If he thinks he can make some money off her, he won't give two fucks about any baggage.

Mr. Nerfect
06-26-2020, 03:04 AM
People grow up. He'll want to do Charlotte Flair vs. Tessa Blanchard. And he should want to do it, because it'd be awesome.

Jordan
06-26-2020, 07:37 AM
Becky looks great with her natural hair color


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I'd love to slide in with a sweet kiss on that babe.

Jordan
06-26-2020, 07:38 AM
I'd sniff her face for sure.

Ol Dirty Dastard
06-26-2020, 07:39 AM
lol god dammit Jordan, I NEED YOU TO CALM DOWN.

Jordan
06-26-2020, 07:41 AM
lol god dammit Jordan, I NEED YOU TO CALM DOWN.

:cool:

erickman
06-26-2020, 07:56 AM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Impact World Champions of the Anthem era:<br><br>Alberto (Fired as champ)<br>Eli Drake (Fired a year and a half later)<br>Pentagon Jr (AEW)<br>Aries (Left company at the end of his reign, had a public tantrum on PPV when he lost)<br>Johnny Impact (WWE)<br>Brian Cage (AEW)<br>Sami<br>Tessa (Fired as champ)</p>&mdash; Trevor Dame (@TrevorDame) <a href="https://twitter.com/TrevorDame/status/1276346386854756352?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 26, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

so sami is the only one still there, yep impact is the spinal tap of wrestling. i see ace as the next champ lets see what happens to ace after.

Jordan
06-26-2020, 07:58 AM
Johnny Ace is awesome, but Impact Champ? It's a little past his prime no?

erickman
06-26-2020, 08:12 AM
Johnny Ace is awesome, but Impact Champ? It's a little past his prime no?

not that ace the younger one, and not bob orton ether

Droford
06-26-2020, 03:38 PM
so sami is the only one still there, yep impact is the spinal tap of wrestling. i see ace as the next champ lets see what happens to ace after.

Speaking of Sami, Michael Elgin got into a fight with him backstage and Elgin got fired

Evil Vito
06-26-2020, 08:03 PM
The New Day have been together for 2167 days. According to guy on r/SC, that is the longest tenured stable in professional wrestling history to not have a break up.

Mr. Nerfect
06-26-2020, 08:39 PM
I was thinking the other day how they've been together for fucking AGES by WWE standards. They're their longest reigning Tag Champs and I think they are pretty close to having won the most championships together. In kayfabe, they are probably their greatest tag team.

I think they are stale as fuck, personally. I wouldn't mind a real change for them, but I don't really want to see heel Big E (unless it's in the group). If they turn someone, it should be Kofi Kingston and possibly Xavier Woods. No need to take everything that makes Big E enjoyable and flush it down the toilet, ala Rikishi in 2000.

I also wouldn't be opposed to them adding a new member. They've been together long enough that it could add cache to someone.

Gerard
06-27-2020, 12:59 PM
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A good example as to why promos suck massive donkey dong, who the fuck actually talks like this? "Bray's Lantern..glistening in the Dark" "and that's when i realised Bray Wyatt was the Serpent, i was overcome with emotion, enamoured at this feat i had just witnessed"


:roll:

He really looks the type of person to use that type of verbiage.

Mr. Nerfect
06-27-2020, 02:07 PM
Braun Strowman fucking sucks.