"100,001" Replies (Wrestling Forum)

[Fignuts]

lol amazing.

They don't want Raven on the network, but they're fine with a guy who murdered his wife and son.

[Big Vic]

Used to love Heat until SD showed up.

[Bad News Gertner]

lol amazing.

They don't want Raven on the network, but they're fine with a guy who murdered his wife and son.

It's more to do with the lawsuit. It's regarding royalties, so they aren't uploading Heat or Thunder because of Raven and Buff Bagwell.

[Emperor Smeat]

lol amazing.

They don't want Raven on the network, but they're fine with a guy who murdered his wife and son.

To be fair, WWE did spend years trying to do everything possible to erase Benoit from their history till the Network showed up.

Then again they did manage to almost completely erase someone else from the Network although due to a different lawsuit and the guy being a sex offender I think.

[Fignuts]

It's more to do with the lawsuit. It's regarding royalties, so they aren't uploading Heat or Thunder because of Raven and Buff Bagwell.

Oh I realize that it's just...telling of the way things are these days that a company is more concerned with a royalties issue than the whole benoit thing.

It shouldn't be surprising to me at all. I dunno.

[XL]

There is like 3 years of heat without Raven on it.

If it’s anything like the rest of the stuff they upload we’ll get 20-25 episodes per year selected seemingly at random.

[erickman]

If it’s anything like the rest of the stuff they upload we’ll get 20-25 episodes per year selected seemingly at random.

yeah I am still waiting for more eps of smokey wrestling

[Emperor Smeat]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

But where does The Modern Day Maharaja Jinder Mahal fit into your plans?!

Battle Royal. Or a Bollywood vs. Hollywood feud with The Miz. Segment with The Rock. I dunno.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Raven is so good to listen to.

[Bad News Gertner]

Watching a WWECW episode from 2009. My God was Matt Striker awful on commentary

[Cool King]

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[Cool King]

Also, this is an official WWE T-Shirt.

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[Lock Jaw]

Looks like Goldberg was just startled by a ghost

[owenbrown]

Looks like Goldberg was just startled by a ghost

or someone cut a really nasty fart in the ring

[Jordan]

Looks like Goldberg was just startled by a ghost

LOL

[Lock Jaw]

or someone cut a really nasty fart in the ring

That's the black and white background image. I was talking about the other one.

[Droford]

Bullet Club shirts at Hot Topic are buy 1 get 1 half off. I got Kenny Omega and Marty Scurrl. I think I can get away with wearing the Villain Club shirt a lot more

[Emperor Smeat]

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[Gerard]

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"Terry Funk always whooped my ass so we won't talk about that" :lol:

[Emperor Smeat]

Fightful's data analyst Brandon Howard recently posted some stuff about the WWE with some of the biggest takeaways being:

The average for weekly crowds this year is on track to be smaller for RAW and bigger for Smackdown compared to last year.
Both brands are currently averaging more viewers for this year's NFL season than last year's.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">ICYMI I looked into whether <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%24WWE&amp;src=ctag&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">$WWE</a> business is down. So far the data is less dramatic than the anecdotes. <a href="https://t.co/igvWpYPEPr">https://t.co/igvWpYPEPr</a> <a href="https://t.co/DSOVaRjMZT">pic.twitter.com/DSOVaRjMZT</a></p>&mdash; Brandon Howard (@BrandonThurston) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrandonThurston/status/915919924240973824?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 5, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[Evil Vito]

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"Terry Funk always whooped my ass so we won't talk about that" :lol:

Considering the Attitude Era crowds seemed to pop for everybody forever it's kinda depressing to hear a pin drop when Dusty's theme hit.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Fightful's data analyst Brandon Howard recently posted some stuff about the WWE with some of the biggest takeaways being:

The average for weekly crowds this year is on track to be smaller for RAW and bigger for Smackdown compared to last year.
Both brands are currently averaging more viewers for this year's NFL season than last year's.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">ICYMI I looked into whether <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%24WWE&amp;src=ctag&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">$WWE</a> business is down. So far the data is less dramatic than the anecdotes. <a href="https://t.co/igvWpYPEPr">https://t.co/igvWpYPEPr</a> <a href="https://t.co/DSOVaRjMZT">pic.twitter.com/DSOVaRjMZT</a></p>&mdash; Brandon Howard (@BrandonThurston) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrandonThurston/status/915919924240973824?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 5, 2017</a></blockquote>
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September the worst since 2014. A cute spin, but it only refutes the "sky is falling" people, who are obviously not being literal. It's possible to say "these attendance numbers are shitty" and then go back and make that case reasonably with the numbers.

[Sepholio]

Thetharo LOL wtf WWE

[Fignuts]

I wanna say that I feel like Bullet Club has run it's course, but people on both sides of the ocean still buy their shit like hot cakes so what do I know.

[#1-norm-fan]

Thetharo LOL wtf WWE

They could make upwards of $200 off that shirt. The WrestleMania fireworks budget is getting bigger and bigger!

[Mr. Nerfect]

When people say hotcakes, they just mean "slightly more than other wrestling shirts," right? I'm not a fan of them, but it baffles me that the WWE haven't tried to monetize The Balor Club yet. Regardless of whether or not something is your cup of tea or not, stick your finger in the wind and see what you can dupe people out of.

The same goes for this Matt Hardy stuff. It's asinine and people are going to see it and go "wtf," but you might as well see if you can milk it a little bit before you go back to Mid-Card Matt.

[Fignuts]

In the US it's just shirts, but if you watch events in Japan you see people wearing all kinds of bullet club merch while holding a big bullet club flag or some shit.

I just feel like their roster is becoming bloated and there are a couple guys like Tama Tonga and Chase Owens who are actually being held back by being a part of it.

I actually wouldn't be against the elite separating from the bullet club, with Tama Tonga taking over as the leader. Dude turned it on in a big way this summer, and he deserves to move up to that next level imo. Bad Luck Fale can tag with Tonga Roa, giving you a VERY intimidating meat mountain of a team.

[Jordan]

I just finished the last few months of Nitro, and I gotta say... pretty damn entertaining all around. Without my judgement of the time, the shows were very watchable minus anything involving The Cat and Mike Sanders.

[Cool King]

I watched the highlights of Raw this morning as there was nothing else on TV at the time and the editing team of the highlight show added loud cheers to Roman Reigns' entrance and pretty much everything he does.

[Vastardikai]

I'd take Fale, Guerillas, Scruill, and Hangman, leave the rest. Maybe keep the Tokyo Pimp around just because I liked the Godfather in WWE.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

In the US it's just shirts, but if you watch events in Japan you see people wearing all kinds of bullet club merch while holding a big bullet club flag or some shit.

I just feel like their roster is becoming bloated and there are a couple guys like Tama Tonga and Chase Owens who are actually being held back by being a part of it.

I actually wouldn't be against the elite separating from the bullet club, with Tama Tonga taking over as the leader. Dude turned it on in a big way this summer, and he deserves to move up to that next level imo. Bad Luck Fale can tag with Tonga Roa, giving you a VERY intimidating meat mountain of a team.

Yeah, the Bullet Club momentum is fading slightly in Japan for Los Ingobernables De Japon, but NJPW has these big stables for everyone like CHAOS so they might not split off The Elite. Marty, Bucks and Cody wrestle so much in the US that they keep the Bullet Club visible there too.

[Gerard]

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[Ol Dirty Dastard]

lol saw that on the front page. Fantastic.

[Lock Jaw]

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[Cool King]

Good times. :'(

[Cool King]

Minus Air Boom though.

They were kinda lame.

[Lock Jaw]

Kofi still tag team champion all these years later.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

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Santino is a piece of shit. Guess he didn't know somebody was filming.

[Cool King]

Thinking about it now, I actually prefer "Air Boom Kofi" to "New Day Kofi".

[Lock Jaw]

How did you get Santino is a P.O.S. from that when the only thing you can really hear in the video is Cornette yelling..... you don't know what Santino was doing or saying......

[Cool King]

Santino is a piece of shit. Guess he didn't know somebody was filming.

I dunno.

I don't really see Santino being a "piece of shit" in that video.

To me, to be a "piece of shit" you would have to do something that a "piece of shit" would do. Like slapping someone for not doing what you wanted them to do.

But that's just my opinion.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Santino is a piece of shit. Guess he didn't know somebody was filming.

Lol. You realise Cornette was fired from OVW for slapping Santino, right? Then all you can here is Cornette yelling about how he never respected him, then "I'm trying to walk away from a fight!!" Before walking towards Santino.

[Lock Jaw]

Santino appears on the show "Aftermath" here in Canada.... Seems like a genuinely nice dude.....

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Cornette is great. He's emotionally fucked though.

[Gerard]

"I'm trying to walk away from a fight!!" Before walking towards Santino.

Presumably because he was headed in that direction before "santino" appeared.

[Ultra Mantis]

Why is Santino a piece of shit? He remains very composed during that clip. A piece of shit surely would have slapped Cornette silly there.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Presumably because he was headed in that direction before "santino" appeared.

We can all assume since we dont have the start. I'll assume the bathroom was that way and he needed to do his hourly angry shit that comes out as green as the Hulk.

If he just wanted to walk that way, probably best not to do it while pointing and beginning to say shit again.

[Bad News Gertner]

Going to be meeting Santino this upcoming Saturday

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Going to be meeting Santino this upcoming Saturday

ask him wtf happened lol

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Going to be meeting Santino this upcoming Saturday

Signing up for his gym?

[Gerard]

They could make upwards of $200 off that shirt. The WrestleMania fireworks budget is getting bigger and bigger!

They probably blew their pyro budget for the next couple of years with Goldberg having pyro every time he came out to the ring.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol, props to Cornette for not backing down from Santino. Obviously you miss the start, but you can kind of tell by Santino's body language that he is the one "confronting." He's angled himself to trap Corny against the wall. Santino sounds "calm," but he's clearly the "aggressor" in the situation.

My guess would be that Santino and Cornette were going to be in the same place and Santino thought "Hey, if I see Cornette I'm going to ask him why he keeps ripping me." He probably thought he could reason with him or intimidate him into being all "No, Santino, I love you, you're the best," to have a story or something. Santino probably wasn't going out of his way to be a piece of shit, but I bet that situation didn't go the way he wanted, and there's no way you can look good trying to physically intimidate an old fat white dude with only good leg, lol. But I guess Santino is broken himself. Isn't his neck held on by duct-tape at this point?

When talking about the Cornette situation, Santino always sounds like a fucking idiot. Like, the dude is funny and I enjoyed moments of his career, but you hear Cornette's version of the story -- which is self-deprecating, throws shade at WWE management and makes Santino look like a moron. Then you hear Santino's story, and he's probably not as good at telling stories, but it's literally like "I could have whooped Cornette's ass if I wanted to," which has always been one of Cornette's points. He wasn't slapping Santino because he thought he could beat him in a real fight, lol.

I dunno, when weighing up the Cornette vs. Santino issue, I've always sided with Cornette. I mean, I understand the liberal "Oh, you don't slap an employee!" stance. Yeah, Cornette shouldn't have done it. I don't believe in slapping someone I don't like. But I'm not in wrestling for a reason. In a wrestling context I think it makes complete sense, lol. And the boys clearly still rib Santino about it. Did anyone hear about Santino getting "called" by Jim Cornette and Santino being dumb enough to think that it was real? He responded to this "shoot" Cornette call and Corny was like "Why the fuck would I call you, you dumb worked motherfucker? How the fuck would I even get your phone number?"

[Mr. Nerfect]

No clue why that posted twice.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Don't know how reliable this is, but I'm reading a report that says that Santino approached Cornette, the two talked, they actually did shake hands, but then Santino demanded an apology and wouldn't let Cornette go until he did.

There sounds like there might be reality in that, because Cornette, despite not being the calmest individual lol, is very good at picking his spots and avoiding places that will have anyone who will make his blood boil. If Cornette and Santino were both advertised, I don't think Cornette would have gone if he "couldn't control himself" around Santino Marella. Unless Santino was a surprise guest, but then he woud have been yelling at whoever booked him too.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I saw someone claiming to have shot the videos on YouTube who claimed that Santino called Cornette a "pussy" twice. I didn't think it was reliable, but I've since seen the name shared as the guy who sourced the videos. So, take that for what it's worth too.

[DAMN iNATOR]

damn I just got the network free for 3 months, guess they are having problems getting people to buy it, getting people who have not been on since mania

Actually, the network is pretty much near or at record viewership and is bringing in tons of revenue for WWE, and they're basically handing out 3 months free offers as a way to celebrate.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Just saw Shelton Benjamin for the first time in a while. He looked good.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Actually, the network is pretty much near or at record viewership
That's not the case at all. As per their last financial call, they lost the biggest amount of subscribers they ever have between Mania and the summer.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

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[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Seems like Santino was being a fucking dweeb, and wrong in this scenario. But damn, Cornette slapped the fucking guy, should have apologized a long time ago no matter how right he thinks he is. He only has himself to blame for this kind of stuff.

[Bad News Gertner]

So in 1987 the WWF brought in Missy Hyatt to host Missy's Manor which was supposed to replace Piper's Pit. They were so bad they didn't air, but Missy herself uploaded them.

My God are they ever awful lol

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[Bad News Gertner]

Signing up for his gym?

Appearing at our local indie with Tito Santana, Rey Mysterio, Pete Dunne, Petey Williams. Our local indie is owned by Scott D'Amore and it's fantastic

[Bad News Gertner]

Just like everyone falsely accused JBL of bullying, you all accused Cornette of being in the wrong. Now you all owe two apologies.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I pretty much could tell the scenario from the start, but it doesn't make it any less Cornette's fault. At some point you have to deal with your actions. As I said, he shoulda been the bigger man and apologized to Santino AGES ago, and this wouldn't have happened.

[Big Vic]

If I worked with Cornette I would piss him off on a daily basis.


"WHERE THE FUCK IS MY STAPLER!"

*20 minute rant*

[Lock Jaw]

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[Gerard]

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Rude seemed a little bit nuts at some points.

[Emperor Smeat]

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[Cool King]

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[Swiss Ultimate]

Huh.

[Big Vic]

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Why does WWE use slow mo on the uninteresting part then speed up the interesting part?

[Cool King]

It's probably to do with making the impact look better/more interesting/more painful.

[Big Vic]

They do it a lot in matches and I understand why there since a superman punch would probably look bad in slo-mo but in the clip above It would look a lot better if it was just all slow-mo

......did TDE edit that clip themselves? If so I guess I would ask them that but I know WWE does it a lot too.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

No, they showed it like that in the show. But yeah, it emphasises the impact when you see Shane fall at full speed. That's the idea anyway.

[Cool King]

Ah "emphasises".

That's the word I was looking for.

[Big Vic]

I guess, IMO it would be cooler to see how close they came to hitting each other.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Seems like Santino was being a fucking dweeb, and wrong in this scenario. But damn, Cornette slapped the fucking guy, should have apologized a long time ago no matter how right he thinks he is. He only has himself to blame for this kind of stuff.

I do get what you are a saying, and the slapping isn't cool, but it's not cool in a real world context. In a wrestling context it was what Santino deserved. I don't really feel sorry for him. Especially to see how he is acting now. Intimidating an old man who probably has Asperger's or something. It's so gross.

[RP]

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I want to rest my face in her vagina for the rest of my life

[Evil Vito]

With 205 Live approaching its first birthday and having an uncertain future, I was wondering which guys would be in danger of being cut should the division fold.

I assume the three that came from the main roster in the first place - Neville, Kalisto, and Enzo would all be safe. Neville may be finished with the division anyway.

Cedric Alexander, Akira Tozawa, and Rich Swann almost strike me as being too good to cut. Maybe a couple of them will end up in NXT for a bit but I'm not sure I see any of them receiving the boot.

The Brian Kendrick has greatly mended the fences with WWE, and even if they decided they didn't have room for him on the main roster I'm quite certain he'll wind up in NXT as a trainer.

Jack Gallagher has a unique gimmick that could be plugged in wherever, and I think they're keen to keep a Brit on the main roster.

Drew Gulak's politician gimmick I think could play on either brand. He's a great mat-based wrestler as opposed to the flippy style of the other cruiserweights, so he could work good matches with guys out of the division. Supposedly they had him doing seminars in NXT before he was even signed so that tells me they value his presence.

Tony Nese I think may find work as an enhancement guy just because he has a fantastic look, plus he's in more televised matches than anyone else in the division.

So that leaves me with the rest. TJP, Gran Metalik, Noam Dar, Ariya Daivari, Mustafa Ali, Lince Dorado. They're the ones that I think may be in some trouble. Of they group TJP figures to be the safest, but they abandoned his initial push after a month and he's just kinda been "there".

[Mr. Nerfect]

Mustafa Ali and Ariya Daivari might be kept around for representation. They seem to like Noam. I dunno, I basically agree with your list. I could see Rich Swann, Tozawa and/or Alexander being cut though.

[Evil Vito]

I mean I don't dislike any of them or particularly want to see any of them let go, but realistically there isn't enough room for them all on the main roster without a cruiserweight division in place...and NXT is fairly crowded as is.

The good news is the guys who signed will be able to make a fair amount of money on the indies. It never hurts to be able to add "Former WWE Superstar" to your billing.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It's like...yeah, you don't want anyone to lose their job. But at the same time, this is a business and the more guys you have saturating the main roster as just bodies, the more diluted the pot is for everybody.

One of the things that really startled me about the Attitude era WWF (again, shout-out to the SCG Radio guys who do an amazing job with their podcast), was just how few stars were there. It was literally just Austin for a while. And you had Vince, and Mankind got hot, and Undertaker was a good auxiliary player. Kane was functional. But the real "star" was Austin. That was it. Then The Rock came along and he started being a star too.

But it was Austin and Rock. I don't know why it took me so long to click onto that. I had this idea that...I don't even know what I thought. But anyway, those guys made everyone else more over because they were stars. Like, there's no real disputing that more people watched Crash Holly on television than Kevin Owens.

So, I guess what I am arguing for is a "trickle-down" effect in wrestling. That's the bright side to downsizing a roster and getting some focus back. Because you'd need to do that for wrestling to get hot again. You need that star -- that Hogan, Rock or Austin. No one else really matters. It's good to have solid hands, good promos, fun acts, etc. But outside that star everybody is expendable.

So, while I would feel sorry for guys in the immediate sense -- selfishly I want wrestling to be good again. And I think that most wrestlers would like it that way too. And we're so focused on "jobs for the boys" sometimes that I don't think we really appreciate how much more money everybody would be making if wrestling were hot.

And, at the end of the day, if you're the sort of talent that is only around because there are five shows a week with three unique rosters, then how likely is it that you are that star? How valuable is your work, really? That's why when people say "the brand split offers an opportunity to more stars," I kind of groan. Because if you're only good enough to be there to fill hour four or five, then maybe it's because you're not quite good enough to fill hours 1 and 2. And those are the hours I really give a shit about, because they are going to engage me as a fan.

I feel like an asshole saying it, but there are actually benefits for the talent too. It freshens them up. They can go and learn new tricks. They can develop on their own, without scripting, without having all their matches planned out. Time away has obviously helped many acts. It would be a bit nicer if there were a real alternative product though. Could you just imagine how much better used guys like Dolph Ziggler and Cesaro would have been by now if they had left and gotten to be Nick Nemeth and Claudio Castagnoli in a promotion that could also pay them $200,000 a year and give them national exposure. Is Bo Dallas getting more out of just standing around and being a fall guy for The Miz, or could he have used a fresh coat of paint and a chance to find himself elsewhere?

Wrestling needs competition and it needs stars. If The Rock could just start his own wrestling promotion, that would be great.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Was originally just going to say that I could see Rich Swann being put into NXT and put into a fun tag team. But I went on that tangent instead.

[Emperor Smeat]

So that leaves me with the rest. TJP, Gran Metalik, Noam Dar, Ariya Daivari, Mustafa Ali, Lince Dorado. They're the ones that I think may be in some trouble. Of they group TJP figures to be the safest, but they abandoned his initial push after a month and he's just kinda been "there".
Of that group, can see Metalik and Dorado being dropped. WWE is never going to use actual lucha guys properly at least on the main brands.

Maybe Daivari gets dropped as well while TJP, Dar, and Ali still have some use for the Cruiser division. Seemed for a while they were building up Ali as a possible future champion and as someone to be a possible future star for the Arabic market.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I do get what you are a saying, and the slapping isn't cool, but it's not cool in a real world context. In a wrestling context it was what Santino deserved. I don't really feel sorry for him. Especially to see how he is acting now. Intimidating an old man who probably has Asperger's or something. It's so gross.

again Santino was being a wang. But unfortunately for Corny you reap what you sew. I mean we agree it's all kind of semantics., I don't think any scenario calls for you to slap your employee. Like during a rugby practice I'd punch fellow teammates if we got into a dust up but I wouldn't put up with some dick head coach punching me.

[Vastardikai]

I just laugh at the thought of Santino not moving if Stan Hansen comes at him, and the outcome of that.

[Savio]

Cole's yelling sounds so forced.

[Shadrick]

I do get what you are a saying, and the slapping isn't cool, but it's not cool in a real world context. In a wrestling context it was what Santino deserved. I don't really feel sorry for him. Especially to see how he is acting now. Intimidating an old man who probably has Asperger's or something. It's so gross.

expand on "in a wrestling context" for me please

[Tom Guycott]

In response to that Noid post:

The problem is that WWE has gone too far in the that direction of "one star". We're supposed to laser focus on, say, Cena, but they don't bother building anyone else for the long run. Not until another plague of injuries occurs. Not saying everyone needs to be at the top of the card, but there are too many that just aren't doing anything of note.

I mean, in a microcosm, look at the Smackdown tag scene. Why is the New Day/Uso feud neverending? I mean, besides the history book scrubbing thing, it is doing nothing but overexposing those two teams. Meanwhile, the rest of the "division" isn't really doing shit. Over teasing a Hype Bros breakup and/or heel turn, comedy skits with Fashion Police and Ascention, Shelton and Gable are there. Then maybe some NXT blood gets pumped in... but why? Just to languish?

One of the famous Vince-isms is "Perception is reality, pal!" but the company has been doing less and less to make a good portion of their roster seem like anybody. And then, the talent gets blamed for not connecting? Why am I going to care about someone who loses all the time? How is anyone going to get behind *anyone* with 50-50 booking? Everyone is on equal footing, and nobody is championship material.

WWE is focused on the wrong shit. It's nice that they gave Jinder and Roman a push, but they are trying to create artificial demand for those two; Jinder for the cynical India market cash-grab, and Roman to essentially try to recreate The Rock (in terms of marketablity, I mean). They squandered the Ryder Revolution, and the few times he was on TV in an actual match, he was usually jobbing... short lived title reign notwithstanding. It took forever to get behind Daniel Bryan, instead of milking that cow like they would have back in the day. There was a golden opportunity to have Bray Wyatt essentially be the next Undertaker... but they saw fit to job him out at every opportunity to the point where he became a joke and a glorified manager to two tall guys who seem to have fallen off the planet. Curtis Axel was repackaged and promoted... for a couple of weeks before making him into a meatshield lackey and sucking any of the credibility they had just pumped into him away.They managed to squeeze most of the mystique out of Shinsuke. They hit the reset button on Bayley right after she got called up and she's been on a holding pattern since. Hopefully, they don't "get bored" and bury Asuka in a couple of months. They have EVERYTHING they would ever want in Brawn Strowman- tall, burly, strong, and even the rare commodity of being over on that alone- and all signs point to them just fattening him up to be fed to Reigns.

They have time to build other talent, they just squander that time with a boatload of advertisements, recaps of shit we just watched, and the same faces on repeat with promos and backstage segments. NXT is more like RAW used to be - they do more with less. The same people don't need to show up on every airing. Raw and SD and even 205 could do the same. Take time and care to develop these guys and gals instead of expecting them to outpop DX instantly, especially when nobody knows who they are and don't have any reason to latch on to yet another face in the crowd.

Yes, some folks can stand to go away and freshen up like Cody (Rhodes), but there is truly no reason why some of this can't be done in-house. They don't neccessarily need to "trim the fat" as much as they need to learn to take care of the toys they already have instead of trying to run out and get new ones all the time.

[Mr. Nerfect]

expand on "in a wrestling context" for me please

Santino was a dick, he got knocked around by someone with seniority. A more extreme example of this could be Bob Holly and Matt Cappotelli. I remember going "boo-hoo" at the time too, but this was pretty commonplace and relatively tame stuff in the industry.

Cornette probably could have sent Santino to Rip Rogers to get stretched and no one would be any wiser and it would have hurt a lot more, lol.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I just laugh at the thought of Santino not moving if Stan Hansen comes at him, and the outcome of that.

You know what would have been funny/sad, depending on your perspective? If Cornette still carried a gimmicked racket and got a lucky shot in on Santino, and knocked him out JBL/Joey Styles style, and completely humiliated Santino again. Santino's neck is held together by duct-tape, so I wouldn't want him to get seriously hurt, but if Corny had just lost it and actually kicked Santino's ass? Holy shit, that would have been funny. Only if Santino were being the dick though.

[Shadrick]

Santino was a dick, he got knocked around by someone with seniority. A more extreme example of this could be Bob Holly and Matt Cappotelli. I remember going "boo-hoo" at the time too, but this was pretty commonplace and relatively tame stuff in the industry.

Cornette probably could have sent Santino to Rip Rogers to get stretched and no one would be any wiser and it would have hurt a lot more, lol.

Have you heard Santinos version of the story?

[Mr. Nerfect]

again Santino was being a wang. But unfortunately for Corny you reap what you sew. I mean we agree it's all kind of semantics., I don't think any scenario calls for you to slap your employee. Like during a rugby practice I'd punch fellow teammates if we got into a dust up but I wouldn't put up with some dick head coach punching me.

Eh, we'll agree to disagree on the minor details. See, I'd rather be slapped by a coach than someone I considered a peer. I've only been slapped exactly once in my life, and it actually sobered up the situation tremendously, because I could respect where the slap was coming from.

I don't think Corny should have slapped Santino, but I also think more that Santino should have taken responsibility for fucking up more. I guess he didn't really get the chance to. I dunno, in my experience, I actually find people like Cornette really easy to deal with. I hate this about myself, because I generally don't like being told what to do, but when they yell at you then you just say "What would you like me to do?". Then you do it and later on you say "Thanks for your guidance," and they seem to take a real shine to that.

Like, Cornette had to yell at John Cena exactly once. Cena was clever enough to be like "Oh, this is how you learn from this guy." As a teacher, Cornette should be more flexible with how he teaches too, but I dunno, without getting too "the world is getting too soft!" because I'm generally a liberal hippy, I do think the wrestling business is supposed to be a bit tougher than dudes getting upset because their trainer yelled at them and slapped them around for being a dick, lol. And you don't go to Harley Race, for example, and try to get Harley Race to teach you according to your learning style, lol.

I'm trying really hard not to make an argument for conformity and "taking it like a man," but it's fucking wrestling. I dunno.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Have you heard Santinos version of the story?

I heard one version that sounded very incomplete. He kept saying he could have shot on Cornette. Like, no shit, you dumb-ass, lol.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I also heard Santino claim that Cornette called him. Dude is a bit dumb, I think, haha.

[Mr. Nerfect]

In response to that Noid post:

The problem is that WWE has gone too far in the that direction of "one star". We're supposed to laser focus on, say, Cena, but they don't bother building anyone else for the long run. Not until another plague of injuries occurs. Not saying everyone needs to be at the top of the card, but there are too many that just aren't doing anything of note.

I mean, in a microcosm, look at the Smackdown tag scene. Why is the New Day/Uso feud neverending? I mean, besides the history book scrubbing thing, it is doing nothing but overexposing those two teams. Meanwhile, the rest of the "division" isn't really doing shit. Over teasing a Hype Bros breakup and/or heel turn, comedy skits with Fashion Police and Ascention, Shelton and Gable are there. Then maybe some NXT blood gets pumped in... but why? Just to languish?

One of the famous Vince-isms is "Perception is reality, pal!" but the company has been doing less and less to make a good portion of their roster seem like anybody. And then, the talent gets blamed for not connecting? Why am I going to care about someone who loses all the time? How is anyone going to get behind *anyone* with 50-50 booking? Everyone is on equal footing, and nobody is championship material.

WWE is focused on the wrong shit. It's nice that they gave Jinder and Roman a push, but they are trying to create artificial demand for those two; Jinder for the cynical India market cash-grab, and Roman to essentially try to recreate The Rock (in terms of marketablity, I mean). They squandered the Ryder Revolution, and the few times he was on TV in an actual match, he was usually jobbing... short lived title reign notwithstanding. It took forever to get behind Daniel Bryan, instead of milking that cow like they would have back in the day. There was a golden opportunity to have Bray Wyatt essentially be the next Undertaker... but they saw fit to job him out at every opportunity to the point where he became a joke and a glorified manager to two tall guys who seem to have fallen off the planet. Curtis Axel was repackaged and promoted... for a couple of weeks before making him into a meatshield lackey and sucking any of the credibility they had just pumped into him away.They managed to squeeze most of the mystique out of Shinsuke. They hit the reset button on Bayley right after she got called up and she's been on a holding pattern since. Hopefully, they don't "get bored" and bury Asuka in a couple of months. They have EVERYTHING they would ever want in Brawn Strowman- tall, burly, strong, and even the rare commodity of being over on that alone- and all signs point to them just fattening him up to be fed to Reigns.

They have time to build other talent, they just squander that time with a boatload of advertisements, recaps of shit we just watched, and the same faces on repeat with promos and backstage segments. NXT is more like RAW used to be - they do more with less. The same people don't need to show up on every airing. Raw and SD and even 205 could do the same. Take time and care to develop these guys and gals instead of expecting them to outpop DX instantly, especially when nobody knows who they are and don't have any reason to latch on to yet another face in the crowd.

Yes, some folks can stand to go away and freshen up like Cody (Rhodes), but there is truly no reason why some of this can't be done in-house. They don't neccessarily need to "trim the fat" as much as they need to learn to take care of the toys they already have instead of trying to run out and get new ones all the time.

I agree that booking and philosophy there is shit. They back the wrong guy a lot of the time. But also look at some of those suggestions you made. I know they are just hypothetical, but Zack Ryder? Ryder sucks, dude. Should they have done more with him? Maybe. Axel I personally love, but come on. They could have given him a better presentation out the gate than Michael McGillicutty though. What the fuck was that?

But it's not that there is one star that is the problem. It is finding that right star. WWE wants to tell you who the star is going to be, and that is a problem.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Quick results from tonight's SmackDown LIVE house show in East Lansing, MI:

The Usos © d. The New Day, Breezango and Benjamin & Gable -- Fatal 4 Way (4 corners style) tag team match -- SDL Tag Team Championship

Bobby Roode d. Dolph Ziggler

Tye Dillinger & The Hype Bros d. Aiden English & The Ascension

Randy Orton d. Rusev

Charlotte Flair, Becky Lynch & Naomi d. Lana, Tamina, Carmella (w/James Ellsworth) & Women's Champion Natalya -- 4-on-3 Handicap match

Sami Zayn d. Mike Kanellis after KO came out and distracted Mike by congratulating him and Maria on their first child being on the way, allowing Sami to hit the Helluva Kick

KO promo

AJ Styles & Shinsuke Nakamura d. WWE Champion Jinder Mahal (w/The Singh Brothers) & United States Champion Baron Corbin

Alright show overall, I guess, although seemed way more underwhelming than when they were last here in 2013...I give it a 'C'.

[Lock Jaw]

Going to a RAW house show here on Saturday.....

They are advertising Roman vs Braun in a last man standing match, Jason Jordan vs. The Miz, and Seth Rollins and Dean Ambrose vs The Bar

I think I would have rather had a Smackdown house show, but hopefully will be good......

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Santino was a dick

SPEAKING OF DICKS, Cornette decided to flop his out live on stage.

http://www.prowrestlingsheet.com/cornette-penis-flash-prichard/#.WdyyW2grLD5

Video is thankfully censored

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[Big Vic]

I do get what you are a saying, and the slapping isn't cool, but it's not cool in a real world context. In a wrestling context it was what Santino deserved. I don't really feel sorry for him. Especially to see how he is acting now. Intimidating an old man who probably has Asperger's or something. It's so gross.

You feel intimidating your subordinates by hitting them is any better?

[Jordan]

Why in the fuck did Cornette expose his penis?!?!

[Jordan]

I bet it was very small.

[slik]

I don't trust 'The Sun' as a reliable source but I suppose ya never know...


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Report: Conor McGregor ‘in talks’ with WWE for a WrestleMania 34 appearance <a href="https://t.co/kK9yfDZNMj">https://t.co/kK9yfDZNMj</a> <a href="https://t.co/xp1wxMM3wb">pic.twitter.com/xp1wxMM3wb</a></p>&mdash; Cageside Seats (@cagesideseats) <a href="https://twitter.com/cagesideseats/status/917781954619236352?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 10, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[slik]

So Jim Cornette spent all that time ranting about Joey Ryan's penis only to use his own to try and 'get over'

smh...

[Big Vic]

I don't trust 'The Sun' as a reliable source of energy.

Kenton "Big Coal" Lane












:shifty:

[Simple Fan]

Anyone that seen Cornette's penis should get a refund, poor souls.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Anyone that seen Cornette's penis should get a refund, poor souls.

I find it amazing that the Bray Wyatt Sister Abigail promo isn't the worst thing a wrestling fan could have seen on Monday.

Imagine seeing Cornettes dick, then going home to settle down and try to forget with an episode of Monday Night Raw and getting that shit.

[Gerard]

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I honestly think that rivals the David Flair titan tron, a chair shot to austin over and over and not much else. When they had Ray Traylor in the suit and tie gimmick for whatever reason.

[Anybody Thrilla]

Because a BOSS wears a suit and tie. Duh.

[Gerard]

Because a BOSS wears a suit and tie. Duh.

:nono:

[Emperor Smeat]

https://uproxx.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/hennig-sells-scott-norton-chop.gif

[Gerard]

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[Anybody Thrilla]

:nono:

What does your boss wear?

[#BROKEN Hasney]

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I take it this was after he whipped his pickle out?

[Gerard]

What does your boss wear?

Gimp mask with a ball gag and a mankini. :shifty:

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

LOL Cornette is such a worker

[A.J.K]

Was originally just going to say that I could see Rich Swann being put into NXT and put into a fun tag team. But I went on that tangent instead.

him and no way jose.

[Fignuts]

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-g8eeGNkVW_A/WILp4-xQxRI/AAAAAAACbGE/aiJJNyxLffwsWHzv0MOVOS4f-xw3Tmn6wCLcB/s1600/30.gif

[Mr. Nerfect]

Pretty sure Cornette is a legit genius.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Yeah, taking cues from someone over like Joey Ryan. Get on that penis heat gravy train.

He'll be throwing up too sweets and telling people to suck it before you know it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Who is Joey Ryan?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Is he that guy who walked out on WWE and had the banana in his pocket?

[Mr. Nerfect]

I just saw more of the video where Santino calls Cornette a rapist and says he's seen the videos.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Either way he should probably be arrested. I mean, that's what comes up when you search 53 year old man flashing.

[Anybody Thrilla]

The Usos are so fucking dope.

[Droford]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">John Cena has impressed me with his comedic chops, but tomorrow you all will see <a href="https://twitter.com/Goldberg?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Goldberg</a> is a legit comedic genius. He's in multi eps now! <a href="https://t.co/6JaNLxNLPj">pic.twitter.com/6JaNLxNLPj</a></p>&mdash; Adam F. Goldberg (@adamfgoldberg) <a href="https://twitter.com/adamfgoldberg/status/917852702469582848?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 10, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[Cool King]

The Usos are so fucking dope.

They are that.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I just saw more of the video where Santino calls Cornette a rapist and says he's seen the videos.

Lol what!

[Emperor Smeat]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/EvilSeveralHoneycreeper-max-14mb.gif

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol what!

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27 seconds in. I mean, he's probably just making stuff up because he was frazzled and didn't know where to go when Corny didn't do what he wanted him to do, but when your major gripe is that you were disrespected in front of your daughter and then you go exploiting the severity of rape for your own cause, you're a major toss-bag.

Unless Santino has seen rape videos. In which case I would wonder why he would watch them and why he didn't contact the authorities. Piece of shit either way. Like, there's no possible way you can't be a piece of shit saying that regardless of whether or not you think it's true.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Jimmy Jacobs has left WWE. Not a huge deal, but apparently the reason is that he took a photo with his friends that are in the Bullet Club during the Raw invasion.

WWE seems really pissed off about that stunt for some reason. it's weird. When TNA and WWE were in the same town and they "invaded" by offering WWE some snacks, they didn't react at all.

[Emperor Smeat]

Supposedly its because they pulled the same stunt DX did by revealing fans were getting free tickets for RAW because of poor tickets sales.

WCW didn't like it when it happened to them and almost two decades later, WWE hated being on the receiving end of the gag.

[Droford]

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Unexpected BRAAAAAUN! At 4:48

[Droford]

Goldberg should stick to wrestling

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Rock just ended Tyrese Gibson <a href="https://t.co/VcFrEAAurC">pic.twitter.com/VcFrEAAurC</a></p>&mdash; Dylan (@DylansFreshTake) <a href="https://twitter.com/DylansFreshTake/status/918170853182930953?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 11, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[Lock Jaw]

Goldberg should stick to wrestling

I think he did alright

[Sixx]

http://www.krank.ie/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Bill-Goldberg-Santas-Slay.jpg

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Supposedly its because they pulled the same stunt DX did by revealing fans were getting free tickets for RAW because of poor tickets sales.

WCW didn't like it when it happened to them and almost two decades later, WWE hated being on the receiving end of the gag.

Which is poetically fantastic. Love how insecure they are.

[Emperor Smeat]

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They better smoosh at least one wrestler with those hammers or else giving them that ridiculous name will be a huge waste.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

listening to a HHH dx promo circa Jan 98. Fucking horrific. Guy who isn't hip, trying to be hip.

[Sixx]

I never understood HHH with the sledgehammer. He only ever used the handle, could do as much with a goddamn broom.

[Droford]

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They better smoosh at least one wrestler with those hammers or else giving them that ridiculous name will be a huge waste.

They're the Bludgeon Brothers to fit in with the 2B stuff from the Fashion Files

[#1-norm-fan]

lol Bludgeon Brothers

Amazing.

You know they broke into laughter as soon as the cameras cut.

[Sepholio]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Rock just ended Tyrese Gibson <a href="https://t.co/VcFrEAAurC">pic.twitter.com/VcFrEAAurC</a></p>&mdash; Dylan (@DylansFreshTake) <a href="https://twitter.com/DylansFreshTake/status/918170853182930953?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 11, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Legit ROFL. Tyrese gonna get kicked out of F9 now.

[Sepholio]

Love how you can kinda see him cracking that huge classic Rock grin when he turns away.

[Simple Fan]

Legit ROFL. Tyrese gonna get kicked out of F9 now.

No its a work just like the Rock/Van Diesel beef was. Tyrese probably going to be the bad guy in F9.

[Sixx]

Gibson was bitching about F9 being delayed and somehow blamed The Rock for that.

[RP]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Rock just ended Tyrese Gibson <a href="https://t.co/VcFrEAAurC">pic.twitter.com/VcFrEAAurC</a></p>&mdash; Dylan (@DylansFreshTake) <a href="https://twitter.com/DylansFreshTake/status/918170853182930953?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 11, 2017</a></blockquote>
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:lol:

[Vastardikai]

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They better smoosh at least one wrestler with those hammers or else giving them that ridiculous name will be a huge waste.

Again, Rowan is not comfortable cutting a promo. At all. You can see it in his eyes here.

[RP]

The walk-off " Motherfucker " is one of the great " motherfuckers " of all time.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Watching a prime time from 1990. Bobby Heenan just popped my girlfriend who doesn't watch wrestling.

[Mr. Nerfect]

lol Bludgeon Brothers

Amazing.

You know they broke into laughter as soon as the cameras cut.

Holy fuck. The way it lingered on them was hilarious. Are those Harper's real teeth, or have they done something to him?

I dunno, I loved them as a tag team before and I love Harper so I'm happy for him to do anything, but Rowan sucks in any other context than being Harper's buddy. Is he an anchor?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Was just thinking about how bad Jinder Mahal is at his job. The dude is a 15-year pro. Chad Gable has been wrestling for 3 years. I would rather watch one Chad Gable match 15 times than a Jinder Mahal match once. Mathematically, I think that makes Chad Gable 75 times better than Jinder Mahal.

When Kurt Angle and The Rock wrestled for the WWF Title at No Mercy 2000, there was 5 years experience in between them. There were 29 years in that Jinder Mahal vs. Shinsuke Nakamura match at Hell in a Cell, and that was with Nakamura (who is technically less experienced than Jinder Mahal).

15 years into his professional career, Mark Henry was in his Hall of Pain stint and had well and truly become awesome. Jinder Mahal is still not there yet.

[Sepholio]

Jinders just there cuz the roids.

[Droford]

How dare you besmirch the modern day Maharaja

[#BROKEN Hasney]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Rock just ended Tyrese Gibson <a href="https://t.co/VcFrEAAurC">pic.twitter.com/VcFrEAAurC</a></p>&mdash; Dylan (@DylansFreshTake) <a href="https://twitter.com/DylansFreshTake/status/918170853182930953?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 11, 2017</a></blockquote>
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The video is 2 years old

[#BROKEN Hasney]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hey Bryan Danielson you should take a photo with us too.</p>&mdash; The Young Bucks (@NickJacksonYB) <a href="https://twitter.com/NickJacksonYB/status/918344930237411329?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 12, 2017</a></blockquote>
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:lol:

[Mr. Nerfect]

The Dumb Fucks. Heh.

[Mr. Nerfect]

You know who I kind of miss? Well, not miss, but think got a bit of a raw deal: JTG.

The dude had so much charisma. I remember when they turned him heel and then randomly they had him play the face again and people were eating him up. I can't really remember how good or bad he was in the ring, but the WWE could really use someone with his charm.

Cryme Tyme were never my favorite tag team or anything, but Shad had something there too. Big paws on both of them. It's a shame that the WWE is so...white. They may have been able to negotiate the political landscape somewhere else.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Shelton Benjamin said on the E&C podcast that he always knew he'd be back in the WWE. How? Because if Cryme Time get a second chance then anyone can.

[Sixx]

They couldn't make them more stereotypical if they made one wear a KFC bucket and the other a watermelon hat.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I saw an interview with Shelton Benjamin & Charlie Haas (I imagine it was the two of them anyway), and one of them was being REALLY funny. I think it may have even been Haas.

[Mr. Nerfect]

They couldn't make them more stereotypical if they made one wear a KFC bucket and the other a watermelon hat.

Yeah, really tasteless. It's a shame there wasn't somewhere else for them to go, because someone like a Heyman would have given them the platform to really take shots at that and made the WWE look quite...well, let's just say "not hip."

[Evil Vito]

http://www.prowrestlingtees.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/j/i/jimmy1012_2.png

http://www.prowrestlingtees.com/wrestler-t-shirts/jimmyjacobs/unprofessional.html

[#BROKEN Hasney]

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http://umabi.jp/njpw-keiba/race/game.html

[Cool King]

They're the Bludgeon Brothers to fit in with the 2B stuff from the Fashion Files

https://s1.postimg.org/1vhkyxusn3/ezgif-5-924480f2ad.gif

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol, Cornette's podcast this week is hilarious. Brian Last on Santino Marella might be more scathing than one of Cornette's rants.

[Droford]

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http://umabi.jp/njpw-keiba/race/game.html

That is the greatest thing Ive seen in a long time

[Cool King]

I randomly came across a thread on some forum talking about this woman who is apparently Bayley's sister.

https://i.imgur.com/KmsxB6v.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ES92TNu.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/hGl1wzP.jpg

I did some digging and after a few sites, the consensus appears to be that she's more attractive than Bayley.

[Droford]

Shes the Nikki to Bayley's Brie

[Droford]

http://umabi.jp/njpw-keiba/race/game.html

hillarious but also fucking impossible

[Cool King]

I found it pretty easy.

I won the race.

[Cool King]

And yes, it was indeed hilarious.

[Droford]

http://umabi.jp/njpw-keiba/date/game/

The google translate picture app does nothing

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[Anybody Thrilla]

I'd like to hug Bayley's sister, for sure.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

http://umabi.jp/njpw-keiba/date/game/

The google translate picture app does nothing

https://preview.ibb.co/fgLJab/Screenshot_2017_10_12_at_2_43_53_PM.png

Dating Makabe is too raw to be translated.

[Cool King]

Just stumbled across some kind of porn montage video of various computer game characters and right at the start you get Randy Orton having a good time with Lara Croft.

I've censored it, so it's cool:

https://s1.postimg.org/3ny1klxki7/rkonos.png

[Cool King]

There seems to be a lot of anime characters, Street Fighter girls and the cast of Overwatch, so I can only assume that this is some kind of heaven for Mr. Kalyx triaD.

[Emperor Smeat]

https://i.giphy.com/media/Bds4sN84N6H1S/giphy.gif

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol, Randy has his wrist-tape on.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

There seems to be a lot of anime characters, Street Fighter girls and the cast of Overwatch, so I can only assume that this is some kind of heaven for Mr. Kalyx triaD.

Also DAMN iNATOR as revealed by one of my favourite posts on tpwwforums.com

Somebody needs to make a fanfic about Cammy and Chun-Li dyking out.

[Fignuts]

https://i.imgur.com/QhrCs0G.png

[Emperor Smeat]

In an interesting twist to the on-going Young Bucks-WWE saga, 2K Games recently hired the Young Bucks to do some motion capture work for next year's WWE game.

Apparently they are one of the most popular wrestlers to make in CAW and 2K Games wanted to take advantage of this situation by having all their signature moves available or look more accurate for future games.

In an interesting twist on the situation between WWE and The Young Bucks, the brothers were contacted to do WWE 2K19 work just one day after they received their cease & desist letter from WWE following the recent "invasion" outside of a RAW TV event in California. The Wrestling Observer Newsletter reports that the company in charge of the WWE 2K franchise contacted The Bucks to ask them about doing motion capture work for next year's video game. The game creators felt like they needed all of the signature YB moves in the game because so many people playing last year's edition were using the Create-A-Wrestler mode to play as the brothers.

[Emperor Smeat]

According to PWInsider, another reason for Jimmy Jacobs firing from the WWE was them not wanting non-wrestlers to be using social media.

Also revealed it was a combo of him being outside while RAW was occurring and being upset he took time off recently to deal with some personal issues that also lead to the decision for his firing.

Jacobs had posted the photo on his personal Instagram account and if that was indeed the only reason for his firing, it can't be seen as anything but petty, especially since Kevin Owens, AJ Styles and Sami Zayn had all appeared, in person, on the actual YouTube series and lots of WWE talents have posed for photos with talents contracted to others companies on social media.

The difference is those talents are stars, while Jacobs was "just" a writer and there is a culture behind the scenes where if you are seen as trying to get yourself over, when that isn't your role, it backfires on you, even if that wasn't what you were trying to do. I have had a number of WWE sources swear to me that a major reason Brooklyn Brawler was let go after decades of service to the company was his social media usage and other things that put him in the sights of the wrong people in the company who didn't like it, because "that wasn't his role."

However, there was also a feeling from WWE sources that by going outside during an active TV taping when he was supposed to be working as a writer,Jacobs was seen as "ignoring his job" to get himself and his friends over. One WWE source believed that the while the photo was being used as the reason to fire Jacobs, it wasn't the only issue, noting that he had taken some time off to deal with a personal issue before returning to work this past summer, and that may have put a target on his back.

[Savio]

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[Ultra Mantis]

Jimmy Jacobs has apparently been credited with coming up with most of Jericho's current gimmick, including the festival of friendship segment. I'm sure he'll end up back in Ring of Honor as soon as he's allowed to work.

[#1-norm-fan]

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[#BROKEN Hasney]

I figured non-Video Game people would appreciate the Ultimate Jackhammer

https://i.imgur.com/cO6R6Qp.gif

[Evil Vito]

#BROKEN WWE2k18

[Cool King]

Lol, Randy has his wrist-tape on.

I only recognised that it was Orton because of his tattoos.

Then I noticed the wrist-tape.

Also DAMN iNATOR as revealed by one of my favourite posts on tpwwforums.com

Somebody needs to make a fanfic about Cammy and Chun-Li dyking out.

From what I saw, I wouldn't be surprised if that kind of video already exists.

[Cool King]

I figured non-Video Game people would appreciate the Ultimate Jackhammer

https://i.imgur.com/cO6R6Qp.gif

Funny, yes, but it's nonsense like that that makes me not want to pay for and also play WWE games anymore.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Of course Jimmy Jacobs got fired for what he did. The WWE has been benevolent enough to allow two guys outside the company to se their licences and trademarks to get themselves over. Then, these same two dickheads, parody the big company that kind enough to let them use the shit. Then they go into the backyard of the company and do it. Then a dude who took a photo supporting this gets fired.

WWE has sucked lately. Now people get sad when one of the culprits is fired? The "Festival of Friendship" (if Jacobs did come up with it) was not good because of Jimmy Jacobs. Chris Jericho carried that entire segment with an outrageous performance. Jericho's current gimmick? Saying stuff again and again until it is over because it is Jericho? This is like Russo taking credit for Stone Cold Steve Austin, but on a much smaller scale.

I've got nothing against Jimmy Jacobs. I heard some of his ROH stuff was good. But this sook party for a dude being fired for putting something on social media that makes the statement he would rather be other places is asinine. And if Jacobs mattered he wouldn't have been fired. This isn't Heyman getting demoted because he made RAW look bad. Jacobs is redunant.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I thought Jericho said he came up with the Festival of Friendship himself?

[Emperor Smeat]

I thought Jericho said he came up with the Festival of Friendship himself?

He came up with the general idea over the course of several months but it was him and Jacobs that actually put the whole thing together in the end.

Jericho wanted to do something in the vein of Game of Thrones' Red Wedding scene as a way to end his partnership with Owens.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I thought Jericho said he came up with the Festival of Friendship himself?

I'm not sure. I heard Jericho pushed for it. He should certainly be credited for it, because he was the only reason it was good. Just like the "This is Your Life" segments. They weren't good because of that framing -- they were good because of the performers in it.

Anyway, probably just fanboys fanboying. I mean, Jacobs was part of the shit-machine for years, and now that he's out he's going to be credited for trying to book the cure for cancer, but no one would allow it.

[Emperor Smeat]

Apparently the reason Sin Cara isn't used in 205 Live and why his run in the cruiser division was short was because WWE felt he was too tall to be in the division.

Was revealed during a recent interview he had website Hidden Remote.

Working briefly in the Cruiserweight Division:

"To be honest, I was trying to make the most of my opportunity, but in my case, I was only there for a couple of weeks. I wasn't really there for long. I think the Cruiserweights are great athletes and talented wrestlers, but in my case, I think I'm too big for the division. Not weight-wise because I weigh like 198, but height-wise I'm a lot bigger. I'm about 5 '10" and I put on the boots and I'm 6?. But it's one of those things where they want a certain type of wrestler in the division and that's fine. I didn't think it was a bad decision by the company not using me there but now there's a lot of opportunities for the all the kids that are doing that. Kalisto just transitioned into 205 [Live] and I wish him the best and hopefully that division can flourish now."
http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2017/1013/633065/sin-cara-on-filling-eddie-guerrero-shoes/

[Ultra Mantis]

He came up with the general idea over the course of several months but it was him and Jacobs that actually put the whole thing together in the end.

Jericho wanted to do something in the vein of Game of Thrones' Red Wedding scene as a way to end his partnership with Owens.

Yeah, obviously Jericho collaborated on the whole thing and Jacobs himself certainly isn't the one taking the credit for it. Festival of friendship was probably the best segment WWE has produced in recent memory so credit where it's due.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think Jericho's recent run is completely overrated from every standpoint other than Jericho's performance. Like, Jericho is king, so he puts the hard work in and it shines, but on paper it was so average it hurts.

[mike adamle]

I think Jericho's recent run is completely overrated from every standpoint other than Jericho's performance. Like, Jericho is king, so he puts the hard work in and it shines, but on paper it was so average it hurts.

Didn't you say you didn't watch like any of it? :roll:

[screech]

lol why does it matter what it looked like on paper if it worked on the show?

[Sepholio]

Jerichos run was overrated....except for Jericho.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

jesus christ Noid

[Fignuts]

Ahaha back in ecw they had a super famicom with a version of fire pro. Stevie richards made himself really strong and tazz really weak, and tazz wanted to legit fight him over it.

[Vastardikai]

I bet Stevie Richards would have won that one.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Taz had a legit background tho didn't he? I know he's not as tough as he thinks he is but he could prolly take Stevie.

[Emperor Smeat]

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/522a2049e4b0a0ce717e990c/t/58baafd420099e5b4872c80b/1488629749851/?format=750w

[Vastardikai]

Taz had a legit background tho didn't he? I know he's not as tough as he thinks he is but he could prolly take Stevie.

I am pretty sure that I read somewhere that everyone in the ECW lockerroom kicked Taz's ass at one point or another.

And I'm a Taz fan.

[Gerard]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

Didn't you say you didn't watch like any of it? :roll:

Yeah, and the shit I heard was good I went out of my way to watch. Jericho is fun, but none of it made me go "Holy shit! Wrestling is good again!"

[Mr. Nerfect]

lol why does it matter what it looked like on paper if it worked on the show?

Because people are crediting what it looks like on paper.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Jerichos run was overrated....except for Jericho.

Have you ever seen a good actor in a shitty movie? Jericho was chewing the scenery. It doesn't make the show substantively good. Jericho was funny at times and he did manage to make himself really sympathetic for the Owens program. Jericho is really, really, really good. That doesn't mean everything they gave him to do was good.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Bad ideas executed well aren't necessarily good ideas. And it doesn't take a genius to say "Hey Jericho, go and be Jericho." It's nice to see Jericho making money from the company, but I could have done without pretty much all of it. Far from Jericho's most significant or best work. Some people say that it is. I say that's overrating it by quite a lot.

Most of what I saw of it was Jericho polishing turds. That's got charm to it. And that's how I'd describe Jericho's recent run: charming. But give that shit to anyone else and it fucking sucks hard. I'd rather just not see the turds.

[Sepholio]

No Jericho couldn't make the show substantively good on his own. Did he make it better? Yes, at least during his segments. Would the show as a whole have been worse without Jericho there? Yes; we'd have had more of the same shit shoveled in instead.

When the show is comprised of a plethora of turds I'd rather my turds be polished.

[Mr. Nerfect]

That's exactly my point, lol.

[mike adamle]

Because people are crediting what it looks like on paper.

Since when? Most people are crediting what it looked like on television, actually.

[screech]

Because people are crediting what it looks like on paper.

lol what? Who is doing this?

Also my initial question still stands: If it works on TV, why does it matter what it looked like on paper?

[Gerard]

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Presumably Hogan was just back from hanging out with his skater buddies at the mall given what he's wearing. :wtf:

[Jordan]

I've been watching some 2000 WCW and it's actually not nearly as bad as people want to remember, there was some cool stuff; however, Mark Madden is the worst color guy of all time. He's so fucking annoying, he add nothing to the story of anything and constantly tries to peak through the fourth wall and attempt to "be the voice of the internet". He's truly horrible at this job. It was pretty fun though watching Tank Abbott strip him down so that the world could see how disgusting and obese his body is.

[Gerard]

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That's about the first time I've seen giant haystacks where he was much slimmer compared to the size he was in later years. Yet they still bill haystacks as 31 stone (434 lbs) and 6 ft 11 (realistically about 6 ft 5 tops). He must have been about 61 stone (over 800lbs) stone then in later life as he was more than twice that size in the vid easily. :lol:


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And here he is in the 80's giving a reporter a Dave Schultz. :lol:

[Mr. Nerfect]

lol what? Who is doing this?

Also my initial question still stands: If it works on TV, why does it matter what it looked like on paper?

It was literally being discussed because Jimmy Jacobs was credited with writing it. It's not something that got over because it was some genius piece of crafted fiction. It's something that got over because Jericho is so fucking good. With anyone else it's just another tag team splitting up (which is what it turned out to be anyway).

This is Russo taking credit for the This is Your Life segment. No one was like "Oh, This is Your Life...awesome!" It was "holy shit, The Rock is funny." There's nothing inherently good about a "Festival of Friendship" idea. In fact, it sounds fucking shit. Jericho stealing the show despite this made it fairly memorable for modern stuff. Alleging that Jimmy Jacobs is some sort of creative genius for helping Jericho get dumb stuff over is a far cry from him being a good "writer" or even booker.

More power to the guy. I liked the Lacey stuff. But WWE has vastly been shit. He has been helping writing it. I'm not going to think the dude is an amazing writer now just because he's outside the big evil company instead of contributing to it.

God, people are so easily worked. Jimmy Jacobs could give your average internet fan's sister herpes, then get sympathy from them because his dick's itchy. And people say that kayfabe wouldn't work today.

[mike adamle]

You sure do talk about dicks a lot...

[Ultra Mantis]

Love Jericho, but any notion that he can easily turn bad writing into sure fire entertainment can easily be debunked by his own youtube show. Incomprehensible.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol, I don't listen to Jericho's show, but I'll take your word on that one.

[Vastardikai]

Chris Jericho is the Alan Rickman of professional wrestling.

[Emperor Smeat]

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[Blonde Moment]

Let's not be too fucking hasty here...
We are talking Alan Rickman here........

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

10 points from Fastwaydore.

[screech]

It was literally being discussed because Jimmy Jacobs was credited with writing it. It's not something that got over because it was some genius piece of crafted fiction. It's something that got over because Jericho is so fucking good. With anyone else it's just another tag team splitting up (which is what it turned out to be anyway).

This is Russo taking credit for the This is Your Life segment. No one was like "Oh, This is Your Life...awesome!" It was "holy shit, The Rock is funny." There's nothing inherently good about a "Festival of Friendship" idea. In fact, it sounds fucking shit. Jericho stealing the show despite this made it fairly memorable for modern stuff. Alleging that Jimmy Jacobs is some sort of creative genius for helping Jericho get dumb stuff over is a far cry from him being a good "writer" or even booker.

More power to the guy. I liked the Lacey stuff. But WWE has vastly been shit. He has been helping writing it. I'm not going to think the dude is an amazing writer now just because he's outside the big evil company instead of contributing to it.

God, people are so easily worked. Jimmy Jacobs could give your average internet fan's sister herpes, then get sympathy from them because his dick's itchy. And people say that kayfabe wouldn't work today.

I barely know or care who Jimmy Jacobs is. If he wrote it or didn't, or took credit for it - who cares?

My question, which you still haven't answered even in this essay, is why does it matter what it looks like on paper if it worked on the show?

Whether or not you like who wrote it or how it seemed it would be is irrelevant if the end result is something you've admittedly enjoyed. Jericho was given an idea to work with and he crushed it, as usual. Are you unable to just enjoy that part of it without bitching?

[Juan]

New Cruiserweight belt

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[Sepholio]

Better looking belt imo.

[#1-norm-fan]

That Tweet with that pic makes him seem like a male stripper or something.

[XL]

What’s new about the belt?

[Tom Guycott]

Jimmy Jacobs has left WWE. Not a huge deal, but apparently the reason is that he took a photo with his friends that are in the Bullet Club during the Raw invasion.

WWE seems really pissed off about that stunt for some reason. it's weird. When TNA and WWE were in the same town and they "invaded" by offering WWE some snacks, they didn't react at all.

Seem to recall they were "pissed" about Rey Rey *specifically* being on TV, and that they had to blur him on any re-airings or some shit. But oddly, anyone else who was caught in catering when that went down was a non-issue.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I barely know or care who Jimmy Jacobs is. If he wrote it or didn't, or took credit for it - who cares?

My question, which you still haven't answered even in this essay, is why does it matter what it looks like on paper if it worked on the show?

Whether or not you like who wrote it or how it seemed it would be is irrelevant if the end result is something you've admittedly enjoyed. Jericho was given an idea to work with and he crushed it, as usual. Are you unable to just enjoy that part of it without bitching?

Because that is what we were talking about. It's the whole conversation.

Your question is not pertinent. I have very purposefully avoided engaging with it.

I actually didn't enjoy the segment. I'm sorry if I gave that impression. I can accept that people generally enjoyed it though. I'm not a big fan of Jericho's latest run. I just appreciate him as a talent. But I could do without the list stuff entirely. It's been well-received though, so whatever. My point is just that I believe he deserves all the credit for that, because the things he was given to do were, in my opinion, terrible. You can disagree with me on that, and that's fine. But your question about how it ended up isn't relevant to my line of thinking, because how it was exists outside star and performance is entirely my concern.

And before you go and ask the same question again, that is because that is what I am talking about. I don't care if something is shit when it is written and then turns out to be great, except when I am talking specifically about how it is shit when it's written. Within that context, yes, that is everything to do with the point I am making. Why were we talking about that? Because I asked what Jimmy Jacobs did and someone said "He's been given credit for this," and I said "Eh, I don't think he deserves credit for that." That is what we were talking about. Who takes credit is the subject matter. Not whether or not that ultimately matters.

[Mr. Nerfect]

What’s new about the belt?

I think they just traded the purple for black. I wonder if there is 205 Live re-branding coming? I mean, the belt is just the belt, but the purple was largely to match the aesthetic.

[Tom Guycott]

Apparently the reason Sin Cara isn't used in 205 Live and why his run in the cruiser division was short was because WWE felt he was too tall to be in the division.

Was revealed during a recent interview he had website Hidden Remote.


http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2017/1013/633065/sin-cara-on-filling-eddie-guerrero-shoes/

So, they saddle the poor guy with a gimmick they botched to begin with (I still believe the original fucked up so much in no small part because of the dimmed lighting during all of his matches) by first having him be all "Fake Undertaker" about it, then being more of a stereotypical "SoCal Mexican thug" than Konnan was in WCW, then throw him *back* under the mask to become what was supposed to be the ultimate cruiserweight- the second coming of Mysterio- when there wasn't even a cruiserweight division anymore. Then, they finally take great pains to build the little guys doing a limited amount of flippy shit (because WWE, so they can't go all out), and now he's "too big"?

Dude needs a total repackage or a goddamn release. And I don't mean because he sucks at his job, but because he's deserved better for a long fucking time.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I like Hunico, but I wonder if I have real reasons to. Like, he's strong in the ring and I liked him unmasking and he did some fun stuff with Daniel Bryan, but I also wonder if I am seeing more potential than is actually there.

But man, when he lost that mask and then got the stereotype gimmick with Tanga Loa? Wow. I felt so sorry for the dude, because it was done right away. It would have been nice to see him get a little bit of focus.

I don't mind masked characters being kept away from Kalisto because you don't want to saturate people with masks, masks, masks. You kind of want them to stand out. I mean, they could just clearly define each guy and what their masks mean, etc. But they're not going to do that. Still, I've always said that they should always have built to Kalisto vs. Sin Cara with the mask on the line.

[screech]

Because that is what we were talking about. It's the whole conversation.

Your question is not pertinent. I have very purposefully avoided engaging with it.

I actually didn't enjoy the segment. I'm sorry if I gave that impression. I can accept that people generally enjoyed it though. I'm not a big fan of Jericho's latest run. I just appreciate him as a talent. But I could do without the list stuff entirely. It's been well-received though, so whatever. My point is just that I believe he deserves all the credit for that, because the things he was given to do were, in my opinion, terrible. You can disagree with me on that, and that's fine. But your question about how it ended up isn't relevant to my line of thinking, because how it was exists outside star and performance is entirely my concern.

And before you go and ask the same question again, that is because that is what I am talking about. I don't care if something is shit when it is written and then turns out to be great, except when I am talking specifically about how it is shit when it's written. Within that context, yes, that is everything to do with the point I am making. Why were we talking about that? Because I asked what Jimmy Jacobs did and someone said "He's been given credit for this," and I said "Eh, I don't think he deserves credit for that." That is what we were talking about. Who takes credit is the subject matter. Not whether or not that ultimately matters.

My question is absolutely pertinent. You said the segment was great on TV but looked average on paper, which is a ridiculous statement. I asked why that matters, but for whatever reason you continue to deflect with essays.

I was not asking about Jimmy Jacobs. I don't care if you like him or not. I was, and still am, asking why a segment that you enjoyed can't be seen as good because it "looked average on paper." It is completely relevant as it was a direct response to one of your posts.

I realize that I'm not talking about what everyone else is, but I asked you a direct question. It's really not a hard question by any means. Though you've proven lately that you're a moron (or just an asshole), so I guess it is for you.

[Tom Guycott]

I think Hunico should have been a solid midcard guy instead of a constant "wait, he's still employed?" guy. Consistent US/IC threat and/or transitional champion for someone they're looking to actually build.

[Mr. Nerfect]

My question is absolutely pertinent. You said the segment was great on TV but looked average on paper, which is a ridiculous statement. I asked why that matters, but for whatever reason you continue to deflect with essays.

I was not asking about Jimmy Jacobs. I don't care if you like him or not. I was, and still am, asking why a segment that you enjoyed can't be seen as good because it "looked average on paper." It is completely relevant as it was a direct response to one of your posts.

I realize that I'm not talking about what everyone else is, but I asked you a direct question. It's really not a hard question by any means. Though you've proven lately that you're a moron (or just an asshole), so I guess it is for you.

Because we are talking about how it would look on paper. I don't really know how to make it any clearer, dude -- I'm sorry. We're talking about how good a dude is at scripting television and you're like "Well, why does that matter to your enjoyment of television?" But the enjoyment of it is besides the point, because we're talking about the scripting. Of course great performance can elevate shitty material. That's completely in line with what I've been saying. You're like agreeing with me, but then arguing with me about something that isn't even in the conservation? I don't think I am a moron, but I am confused as to where you're coming from.

The smart criticism of my position would be "Ah, but by providing Jericho the platform to steal the show, does he deserve the credit?". That would at least be about what it is about. I mean, it's silly anyway, because we don't know what Jacobs did and didn't come up with. It's scuttlebutt. But I was responding to the automatic assumption that he would be a great writer, because I was wondering if evidence of that was out there. Even if he had good ideas, they were probably nixed anyway. I'm sure he can do brilliant work. I'm just saying it's not like the dude is Heyman with this proven streak of brilliance that can actually, for example, help SmackDown outdraw RAW.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think Hunico should have been a solid midcard guy instead of a constant "wait, he's still employed?" guy. Consistent US/IC threat and/or transitional champion for someone they're looking to actually build.

It would have been nice if they actually tried.

I doubt they want him there honestly, given his penchant to beat up guys. Actually, who won between him and Jericho?

Great, now that I've asked that, someone is going to come in and ask "But how does the outcome effect how entertaining Jericho is? Can't you just enjoy him as a wrestler?"

[screech]

Goddammit, this isn't that deep. But I'll explain it since you're missing my point.

I am aware that other people are talking about Jimmy Jacobs getting credit or taking credit for a segment.

You praised Jericho by saying segments he is in shine because he is great.

You then said that despite a segment he was in shining, it looked average on paper.

I asked, in direct response to that specific point, why it matters how a segment looks on paper if it works on TV.

I did not mention any specific segments or Jimmy Jacobs, though again, I understand that others were discussing those things.

My question is a direct response to your point about a segment working on TV but looking average on paper.

I don't think how a segment looks beforehand is relevant when it is well-received on TV. That is what I am asking you to clarify.

I'm not sure how much clearer you need me to be.

[Mr. Nerfect]

In some contexts yes, but in some cases no. In this context, yes. I feel like this should be obvious.

[screech]

Are you a politician? You're excellent at not actually answering questions.

You're great at being a dick about it, though.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I literally just answered your question with two very short sentences. Does how something is written matter if it's successful? Well, yes, sometimes. When you're talking about the writer or writing, absolutely. I'm sorry if that isn't the answer you want to hear.

[screech]

I asked why you think it's relevant and you answered "yes, sometimes."

It's not that difficult to understand. If the segment worked on TV (i.e. people enjoyed it), why does it matter how it looked on paper?

Do I need to phrase it another way for you to get it? I'll do my best if that's the case.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Oh, sorry, I thought you asked me if it is important, to which the answer is "Yes, sometimes." The writing matters because we were discussing the alleged writer. I suggested that I don't think the writing made that segment good. I wasn't talking about whether or not that matters to the layperson, the company's bottom-line, or to someone's own personal enjoyment. I wasn't even really discussing if the segment was good or not. I don't think it was particularly good. I will concede it was well-received, but I've said that I think that is because of Jericho, and not because of the quality or form of the content.

When you're discussing whether or not you'd hire a writer for something, whether or not they are a good writer is absolutely something I would look at, yes. I felt like that was explained earlier, but maybe it was unclear.

AND, to clarify: I am not saying that Jimmy Jacobs is necessarily a bad writer. I just don't think he did good writing in the WWE. Or there's no available evidence he did, anyway.

[Savio]

Presumably Hogan was just back from hanging out with his skater buddies at the mall given what he's wearing. :wtf:

Had the same :wtf: at his outfit.

[Mr. Nerfect]

If you're asking the question "Do you think that a good product that seems to have shit writing must actually have good writing," then no, I don't necessarily think that is the case. Sometimes things that look great on paper flop, and sometimes things that look shit on paper succeed. But they don't always fly or fail by the quality of the writing. Sometimes they do, but sometimes they don't.

If your veiled question behind all of that was "Don't you think Jimmy Jacobs must be a great writer if the segment worked?" Then no.