"100,001" Replies (Wrestling Forum)

[Sepholio]

Well he's one of the MJ impersonators in downtown Vegas and works wrestling shows in the area so if you ever happen to find yourself in Sin City you might be able to get drunk and catch a performance lol

[Sepholio]

and tbh the Moonwalk DDT is actually pretty damn slick. Especially on the guys that put effort into selling it.

[weather vane]

Was going Feb 23-28 too. Cancelled because of COVID (Canada has too many dumb rules). Going to Calgary same time. Frig.

[Sepholio]

Damn that sucks :(

COVID is very evil.

[weather vane]

Yeah just couldn’t risk it. If my job or the government put some stupid rules in last minute. Made $600 on our Metallica tickets each though. Billy Joel not so much.. haha.

[#1-norm-fan]

Woah, woah, woah.

Billy Joel in Vegas in late Feb, you say?

[weather vane]

Yes. Got cheap tickets to sell!! Haha. Tons available though.

[#1-norm-fan]

Gah! I gotta fly back to Canada soon after. Probably shouldn’t risk large gatherings.

[weather vane]

I don’t give a fuck about getting it. Triple vaxxed, prob had it or will get it, blah blah blah. Just can’t be forced to quarantine for days on end.

[#1-norm-fan]

Well, I also need a negative test before my flight.

[weather vane]

Yeah you need one to get back in and it can be like $200 US. So dumb.

[Bad News Gertner]

Been on a 1994 ECW kick. It's an interesting year. The company still has a few of the beginning of ECW/Eddie Gilbert guys but you start to see the familiar names and gimmicks trickle in

[Jordan]

Been on a 1994 ECW kick. It's an interesting year. The company still has a few of the beginning of ECW/Eddie Gilbert guys but you start to see the familiar names and gimmicks trickle in

It's tough for me with ECW... here's there story in bullet points.


Peacock ECW is unwatchable due to music edits
Other footage on Youtube is poor quality compared to Peacock
ECW really wasn't that good
Basically a shit show with maybe 2 good matches and brawls that could be fun but are probably really bad looking back
Most of the wrestlers actually weren't good enough for WWF or WCW
Crowd chanting is a bit overplayed at this point, so really what is so enjoyable?
So much doesn't pay off due to contract issues

[Bad News Gertner]

I downloaded complete year torrents so I still get all the original music and commercials which I love and in great quality. 95-96 ECW is outstanding but it gets bad fast after Barely Legal 1997. 1998 and 1999 are terrible.

[Jordan]

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[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Thinking about other ways Nick Khan has pushed HHH out <a href="https://t.co/PpPZE95faB">pic.twitter.com/PpPZE95faB</a></p>&mdash; Nationally Published Troll (@mongo_ebooks) <a href="https://twitter.com/mongo_ebooks/status/1486333714707759107?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 26, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Mr. Nerfect]

Just watched the Charlie Haas match against Josh Alexander from Impact. I have to say, Haas looked really good. You don’t see much wrestling like that anymore. Josh Alexander impressed me too.

[Bad News Gertner]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">1991 Royal Rumble match: <br><br>Greatness from Mr. Perfect &amp; Bobby Heenan <a href="https://t.co/1I9gz19fMD">pic.twitter.com/1I9gz19fMD</a></p>&mdash; Italo Santana (@BulletClubIta) <a href="https://twitter.com/BulletClubIta/status/1486728274906521614?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 27, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Bad News Gertner]

Always liked Charlie Haas. Looking back, Charlie probably came along 15 years too early. Could you imagine peak WGTT around now?

[drave]

The bushwacker elimination from the 91 Rumble is one of my favorites of all time. Just how he keeps walking cracks me up.

[Fignuts]

Always liked Charlie Haas. Looking back, Charlie probably came along 15 years too early. Could you imagine peak WGTT around now?

Yeah, they'd be in a spelling bee with RKBro.

[Bad News Gertner]

They'd probably be in AEW

[Sepholio]

lmao listening to a Cameo Danhausen sent to Cornette in which explains that the reason he uses teeth as a weapon is because his opponents already have teeth so it can't be illegal to use more teeth on them. LOL

[#1-norm-fan]

Cornette played those on his podcast a few months back. They were brilliant.

[Sepholio]

Danhausen gonna steal the good Dr. from Adam Cole so he can have access to copious amounts of teeth. Or Adam Cole fights Danhausen with an even larger jar of teeth he got from his wife.

One of those things is going to happen or Tony Khan will be cursed.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Always liked Charlie Haas. Looking back, Charlie probably came along 15 years too early. Could you imagine peak WGTT around now?

I always liked guys that has his quiet charisma. Seemed just like a pretty normal dude who was really good at wrestling. By today’s standards, he is FANTASTIC when it comes to holds and stuff, his promos sound way more confident than 90% of guys, and he’s bigger too.

He and Shelton would have been in NXT, tossing people around and people would have called them the new Steiners. They’d probably be split up even earlier, but Haas would have way more chance.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The Haas of Pain is just a fucking brilliant submission move.

[ron the dial]

yeah i'm surprised no one uses it currently (although i suppose i just might not be aware of someone that is).

[Mr. Nerfect]

The guys with amateur wrestling backgrounds are the ones WWE are taking an interest in now. AEW has virtually none that I can think of. If WGTT weren’t in WWE, I think they’d actually probably be splitting their time between American indies as the hottest tag team act there (maybe as THE stars in ROH, helping to prop it up now), or as THE gaijin team in New Japan. Maybe even in Impact too. There are some bigger and more technical dudes there too.

[ron the dial]

the only person on the AEW roster i can think of off the top of my head with a legit amateur wrestling background is leyla hirsch.

[Bad News Gertner]

I always liked guys that has his quiet charisma. Seemed just like a pretty normal dude who was really good at wrestling. By today’s standards, he is FANTASTIC when it comes to holds and stuff, his promos sound way more confident than 90% of guys, and he’s bigger too.

He and Shelton would have been in NXT, tossing people around and people would have called them the new Steiners. They’d probably be split up even earlier, but Haas would have way more chance.

I always thought that Haas was like Curtis Axel where he tried too hard to be charismatic, especially when they got the rep of not being charismatic. It's one of those thing where you are if you are. I don't think it's as much of a detriment now than it was back then though.

[ron the dial]

http://cdn2.holytaco.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/MachoMan_Elbowdrop_hamster.gif

[drave]

if that doesn't make him the greatest heel ever....

[ron the dial]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="de" dir="ltr">Send HOOKHAUSEN <a href="https://t.co/AbhGSIPRLg">pic.twitter.com/AbhGSIPRLg</a></p>&mdash; Danhausen (@DanhausenAD) <a href="https://twitter.com/DanhausenAD/status/1486871037925068800?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 28, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Sepholio]

Spoilers/RR entrants:Sheets are reporting that Shane McMahon will be making his return as will notable TPWW poster BAD BUNNY!

[RP]

I dont want to see Shane McMahon or Bad Bunny in the Royal Rumble. WWE fucking sucks so bad.

[RP]

So that's Johnny Knoxville, Bad Bunny and Old Shane McMahon taking spots away from actual wrestlers on the roster in the Royal Rumble.


Fucking terrible product. I hope WWE ends soon.

[fundiddle]

drew never took it seriously. he could have had a shot at the title at mania, and he voluntarily eliminates himself. i hope wwe gives this legend and hall of famer the opportunity to redeem himself and really get a chance to shine, maybe even with bunny and knoxville in a couple of days. we've waited long enough!


http://www.monkees.50megs.com/lauren50gcom/wliia/Articles/Pix/wwfdrew11.jpg

[Sepholio]

I don't mind Bad Bunny tbh. He was actually pretty entertaining last year and did wayyy better than I expected.

Shane I really hope isn't in the match and is just returning at the Rumble for some kind of on screen role maybe.

[drave]

Danhausen for #27

[Sepholio]

Danhausen should win and main event RASSLEMANIUR. In fact he should have a match for every title in WWE at WM. And he should win them all and unify all the titles and then sell that title on Ebay for human monies.

[drave]

yes, very nice. then everyone in the wwe universe will send treasures and fanhausen mail or be cursed

[ron the dial]

brought out all of my toyhausens in celebration today

https://i.imgur.com/Plbgw8d.jpg

[Sepholio]

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[Jordan]

LOL @ the A&W Background especially.

[Jordan]

Okay now I kinda like the song.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I wanted the guy to do well after hearing him on Cornette and Conan, but fucking hell, I’m already sick of Danhausen.

[ron the dial]

lol you are such a negative cunt

[weather vane]

Big ol dump in his pants 24/7 it seems. Lighten up!! It’s okay bud.

[Evil Vito]

Noidhausen is a cunthausen

Fixed this for you

[Bad News Gertner]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">when you and your bros walk into the mall after the tax refund deposit drops <a href="https://t.co/C0oI7H2pt5">pic.twitter.com/C0oI7H2pt5</a></p>&mdash; WCW Deep Cuts (@DeepCutsWCW) <a href="https://twitter.com/DeepCutsWCW/status/1487058631023644673?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 28, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Mr. Nerfect]

lol you are such a negative cunt

Lol, I’m optimistic about plenty. Why aren’t I allowed to be sick of something that is already overplayed week one?

[Lock Jaw]

Gotta admit I'm pretty sick of it too, and I haven't even seen a clip of the guy lol

[Sepholio]

Lock Jaw is also a party pooperhausen it seems.

[ron the dial]

also not surprising!

[ron the dial]

lock jaw and noid have been cursed

[weather vane]

Fucking Beaver and Butthead over there..

[xrodmuc316]

When you have nothing to do, would you call that Dantime?

[ron the dial]

what

[ron the dial]

like i get it but what

[Lock Jaw]

I said WHAT

[Fignuts]

I say what what in the butt

[Sepholio]

what in tarnationhausen...?

[Sepholio]

Big E has been moved back to Smackdown! Because reasons I guess. Maybe taking Drews spot since there is no telling how long he will be out, although I figured he was gonna be one of the unannounced Rumble entrants.

[Sepholio]

https://i.imgur.com/4g8sdw6.jpg

[Mr. Nerfect]

I didn’t feel Big E’s title reign. Hitting your head against a brick wall trying to push him back into that spot before he matures or whatever isn’t going to help him connect anymore. He’s better off with The New Day than without them at this point. That being said, with their backstage promo I saw, I couldn’t help but think they might be planning a Big E/Kofi feud. But that’s just because they were acting like such good buddies at Rumble time and swore they wouldn’t turn on one another, lol.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Dave Meltzer casually dropping some people in attendance for the Rumble:

Melina, Cameron, Sarah Logan and Io Shirai for the women. For the men, Tommaso Ciampa and Kurt Angle are apparently there, and Dave spoke like it was so they had extra bodies in case they needed them, but you’d think Angle would just be there visiting buds or working on a project or discussing his future as an agent, etc. But something about Dave’s tone reeked of him stooging off Edge a few years ago.

[RP]

https://i.imgur.com/4g8sdw6.jpg




Am I wrong or is there some brown in that butt crack?

[Jordan]

Am I wrong or is there some brown in that butt crack?

God I hope so.

[drave]

jordan seph and drave are very evil, very nice.

[Evil Vito]

Vince McMahon’s mother has passed away at 101

[XL]

Big E has been moved back to Smackdown! Because reasons I guess. Maybe taking Drews spot since there is no telling how long he will be out, although I figured he was gonna be one of the unannounced Rumble entrants.

Has he been officially moved? He’s still assigned to Raw on wwe.com. I thought he was just making an appearance, as cross-brand appearances are ok because it’s Rumble time. :roll:

[Evil Vito]

I'm steering clear of Rumble spoilers/rumors although one for the women's Rumble has been pretty much impossible to avoid and, if she did enter, she'd almost certainly have to be winning. Still, they've got 7 open spots in that one and I imagine they can just phone up some NXT women to participate and fill it out as needed.

Men's Rumble has 25 spots filled and that includes guys like Moss and Boogs who were meant to be sidekicks but became regulars. Also the Dirty Dawgs who sadly nobody cares about anymore.

Not expecting anything too crazy for the final 5. Probably a token legend. Maybe an NXT entrant or two. If they wanted another wacky announcer spot then you can always have Graves and/or McAfee enter.

[RP]

https://i.imgur.com/4g8sdw6.jpg


Who's the woman she's holding? There is for sure some serious brown in that butt crack.

[Heisenberg]

https://i.imgur.com/4g8sdw6.jpg

[Heisenberg]

Who's the woman she's holding? There is for sure some serious brown in that butt crack.

hip tat would reveal a Hayter in the pic

[Bad News Gertner]

I love watching these terrible jobbers run the ropes lol

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here’s Sid Vicious beheading his pot dealer. <a href="https://t.co/xzgQpMaasJ">pic.twitter.com/xzgQpMaasJ</a></p>&mdash; WCW Deep Cuts (@DeepCutsWCW) <a href="https://twitter.com/DeepCutsWCW/status/1486883917483450372?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 28, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Fignuts]

hip tat would reveal a Hayter in the pic

I think the hips themselves reveal a hayter in the pic.

[XL]

Hayter’s hip tattoo looks a lot larger. Unless she’s recently had it redone?

[screech]

Who's the woman she's holding? There is for sure some serious brown in that butt crack.

Gabby Ortiz

[Heisenberg]

There's another wrestler with the same tat replacement, would have to look into this

[XL]

Gabby Ortiz

Yep. Definitely her. The other thing that made me think it wasn’t Hayter was the gear. That’s definitely Ortiz’ gear.

[xrodmuc316]

Dave Meltzer casually dropping some people in attendance for the Rumble:

Melina, Cameron, Sarah Logan and Io Shirai for the women. For the men, Tommaso Ciampa and Kurt Angle are apparently there, and Dave spoke like it was so they had extra bodies in case they needed them, but you’d think Angle would just be there visiting buds or working on a project or discussing his future as an agent, etc. But something about Dave’s tone reeked of him stooging off Edge a few years ago.

Remember a few years ago when WWE ran a few fake titantron graphics and embarrassed Meltzer, who instead of just saying he saw the Twitter posts like everybody else, played it off as "his sources". Then like half of them didnt actually happen, and " well plans change, that will be $11.99".

Meltzer is such a hack :rofl:

[Bad News Gertner]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">26 years ago today....the Dallas Cowboys beat the Pittsburgh Steelers in Super Bowl XXX...so let's see how the real pundits predicted how that game would go.....<br><br>The Superstars of the World Wrestling Federation <a href="https://t.co/1ShRHqjBcr">pic.twitter.com/1ShRHqjBcr</a></p>&mdash; VintageSports (@VintageSportss) <a href="https://twitter.com/VintageSportss/status/1487156094057259011?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 28, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Sepholio]

Mustafa Ali decided he needed to comment on his status for the RR and said "No I would not like to be in the Royal Rumble. I would like my release."

What an idiot. They are going to sit him on the shelf for his entire contract now and probably try to find some way to extend it out against his will.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Mustafa Ali decided he needed to comment on his status for the RR and said "No I would not like to be in the Royal Rumble. I would like my release."

What an idiot. They are going to sit him on the shelf for his entire contract now and probably try to find some way to extend it out against his will.

He overplayed his hand. My first thought was that the guy was an idiot, but then I figured “Hey — maybe he knows he isn’t going to get released until the next wave, so by speaking up he builds his value in the fans’ minds, keeps himself off the road and healthy, etc.” If he quietly asked for it and got it, who the fuck cares? But now he’s kind of made an idea of himself.

The goal wasn’t to get out, it was to get over.

But now I’m already sick of the guy, so it probably isn’t a case of subliminally marketing himself to hardcores, but the guy actually being a short-sighted moron.

[xrodmuc316]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">26 years ago today....the Dallas Cowboys beat the Pittsburgh Steelers in Super Bowl XXX...so let's see how the real pundits predicted how that game would go.....<br><br>The Superstars of the World Wrestling Federation <a href="https://t.co/1ShRHqjBcr">pic.twitter.com/1ShRHqjBcr</a></p>&mdash; VintageSports (@VintageSportss) <a href="https://twitter.com/VintageSportss/status/1487156094057259011?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 28, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Was that Lita sitting with Triple H in this video?

Also, how stupid were the guys picking the Steelers?? Like Neil O'Donnell was going to beat the Cowboys dynasty lol

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Mustafa Ali decided he needed to comment on his status for the RR and said "No I would not like to be in the Royal Rumble. I would like my release."

What an idiot. They are going to sit him on the shelf for his entire contract now and probably try to find some way to extend it out against his will.

He could probably just lawyer up and find a way out of the contract. Do we know if they have provisions for not being used? Queen injuries they can add time. We know that. But if they just choose to bench him I can’t see how they’d force time on his deal if they’re deciding on keeping him away.

They should just cut him. Why the fuck would you want to pay somebody the amount his downside is worth when he voluntarily telling you to stop giving him money? It’s silly.

[Sepholio]

If they could sue and get out of contracts others would have already done it.

Wwe has been known to be petty about releasing people in the past. Nothing suggests they have changed. They will ice him out of pure spite.

[Sepholio]

Apparently Regal has signed with Impact.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Pac and del Rio both got out of their contracts. It’s not impossible. But if they’re not gonna use him he’ll still get paid so it’s not that bad I guess

[Mr. Nerfect]

Apparently Regal has signed with Impact.

That doesn’t surprise me. I saw they made him an offer. I can imagine he’ll be a talent scout and maybe a conduit between them and New Japan while doing some on-screen stuff. He might also have the flexibility to work the WWE should they want him for special appearances, the Hall of Fame, documentaries, cameos, etc.

[Jordan]

I'd assume Regal won't have to move to work for Impact so that's probably a big plus. Are they still based out of Florida? I'd imagine he can shape them up, which they are partially doing themselves. Impact really just needs to be able to draw a comparable crowd to what they used to and I think their show would immediately pop up as a more entertaining weekly watch.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'd assume Regal won't have to move to work for Impact so that's probably a big plus. Are they still based out of Florida? I'd imagine he can shape them up, which they are partially doing themselves. Impact really just needs to be able to draw a comparable crowd to what they used to and I think their show would immediately pop up as a more entertaining weekly watch.

I think their offices are in Nashville.

[Mr. Nerfect]

He could definitely really help them, but he’s also going to carry more influence and respect there. It’s probably closer to his sort of wrestling, overall.

[Jordan]

Impact has a really great roster right now. They have a a few hanger on's not adding much that could be replaced or cut but go to their site and take a look. There is a lot of potential there especially if they can get another couple draws like Braun or Bray from the WWE releases.

[Evil Vito]

Yeah Regal would still have to go into Nashville but as far as I know they tape a month's worth of tapings in a single weekend, so it's still a far cry from being on the road every week.

[Bad News Gertner]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Meng gives no craps about you or your 2x4. <a href="https://t.co/mgIrovYAgT">pic.twitter.com/mgIrovYAgT</a></p>&mdash; WCW Deep Cuts (@DeepCutsWCW) <a href="https://twitter.com/DeepCutsWCW/status/1487970714372259846?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 31, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Evil Vito]

Shane McMahon is booked for Elimination Chamber and WrestleMania.

I'd assume he's gonna end up wrestling Austin Theory.

[Jordan]

WWE's Mania hat pulls are becoming so tired.

[Lock Jaw]

That's one theory

[drave]

Shane McMahon is booked for Elimination Chamber and WrestleMania.

I'd assume he's gonna end up wrestling Austin Theory.




This was the stupidest part of the Rumble, just like his tourney win in Saudi Arabia last year, or whenever the fuck THAT was.


Shane needs to go away, he is in no way a legit threat to anyone and throws punches worse than my kids.

[xrodmuc316]

This was the stupidest part of the Rumble, just like his tourney win in Saudi Arabia last year, or whenever the fuck THAT was.


Shane needs to go away, he is in no way a legit threat to anyone and throws punches worse than my kids.

Shane is basically the same age now as Vince was when he took his first Stone Cold Stunner in MSG. They book him like a tougher version of Vince, but they seem blind to one major difference.

https://www.thesportster.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/vince-mcmahon.jpg
https://stillrealtous.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Screen-Shot-2022-01-29-at-11.53.05-PM.jpg

[Bad News Gertner]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This poor man had a hard time running forward in a straight line. <a href="https://t.co/tWgDQ8ONZ9">pic.twitter.com/tWgDQ8ONZ9</a></p>&mdash; WCW Deep Cuts (@DeepCutsWCW) <a href="https://twitter.com/DeepCutsWCW/status/1488180258960547843?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 31, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[GD]

Shane is basically the same age now as Vince was when he took his first Stone Cold Stunner in MSG. They book him like a tougher version of Vince, but they seem blind to one major difference.

https://www.thesportster.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/vince-mcmahon.jpg
https://stillrealtous.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Screen-Shot-2022-01-29-at-11.53.05-PM.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9b/8b/66/9b8b663a1120abb22fed5818a16439aa.jpg

[screech]

I thought his best in the world win was hilarious.

[screech]

I am a big Shane-O-Mac fan. He has entertained me a lot over the years.

But I don't think we need to see him rassle on the biggest show. A part of a Survivor Series team [if the still do those]? Sure. A WrestleMania program? Not really.

Also he still throws probably the worst punches in the business. I know it's not exactly easy to make a punch look good, but goddamn.

[screech]

He didn't even do the shuffle on the stage. What a waste.

[drave]

I am a big Shane-O-Mac fan. He has entertained me a lot over the years.

But I don't think we need to see him rassle on the biggest show. A part of a Survivor Series team [if the still do those]? Sure. A WrestleMania program? Not really.

Also he still throws probably the worst punches in the business. I know it's not exactly easy to make a punch look good, but goddamn.




Specifically on the punches..... as they put Riddle over regularly as an amazing striker..... only to be outdone by, whatever the fuck Shane does.

[Lock Jaw]

Riddle isn't the best in the world tho

[RP]

JFC!


<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/my2I0m7-V58" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[slik]

Guess Lashley is dropping the title at Elimination Chamber

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WWE had plans since the pairing began last spring for Riddle vs Randy Orton @ SummerSlam, which didn’t happen. Plan was to hold off til Mania. I’m told now only a handful of creative members want to spilt them, w/ the idea that if the match happens, it should be for the WWE title</p>&mdash; WrestleVotes (@WrestleVotes) <a href="https://twitter.com/WrestleVotes/status/1488203900784197638?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 31, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Splaya]

JFC!


<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/my2I0m7-V58" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

I do not understand how she is not paralyzed

[RP]

I do not understand how she is not paralyzed


I wonder if she's still alive.

[XL]

This was the stupidest part of the Rumble, just like his tourney win in Saudi Arabia last year, or whenever the fuck THAT was.


Shane needs to go away, he is in no way a legit threat to anyone and throws punches worse than my kids.

Bad take.

Shane McMahon has great name recognition from an era when people actually cared about WWE. He has wins over a who’s who of all time greats; Kane, Taker, The Rock, Jericho, HBK, HHH, Randy Orton, Edge, Seth Rollins, and John Cena as well as wins over current WWE Champion Bobby Lashley AND Universal Champion Roman Reigns (against whom he holds a 4-1-1 record).

I’m sure you’ll agree that’s an impressive resume and the only reasonable choice to main event Mania. On both nights.

[ron the dial]

just throw shane off the roof of whatever building WM is in. that's all anyone wants from him anyway, the one big, dumb, impressive spot he does on the show.

[xrodmuc316]

I am fine with Shane being there, but he shouldn't be booked as tougher than 95% of the roster.

[Evil Vito]

Ric Flair is now going through divorce #5 lol

[Bad News Gertner]

I didn't think they were married

[Jordan]

Bad take.

Shane McMahon has great name recognition from an era when people actually cared about WWE. He has wins over a who’s who of all time greats; Kane, Taker, The Rock, Jericho, HBK, HHH, Randy Orton, Edge, Seth Rollins, and John Cena as well as wins over current WWE Champion Bobby Lashley AND Universal Champion Roman Reigns (against whom he holds a 4-1-1 record).

I’m sure you’ll agree that’s an impressive resume and the only reasonable choice to main event Mania. On both nights.

I had no idea he had that kind of a record, man alive!

[XL]

Shane McMahon is booked for Elimination Chamber and WrestleMania.

I'd assume he's gonna end up wrestling Austin Theory.

Surely the Vince/Theory thing is just leading to an appearance by Steve Austin at Mania?

[Lock Jaw]

That's another theory.

[Mr. Nerfect]

There is a large chunk of roster in AEW that can’t throw punches as well as Shane. This is why I said there was pressure on them to actually be good, because when they aren’t it permits anything.

Shane is over, is recognizable, has a few things on his bucket list. Him being involved is not the most egregious thing in wrestling. Not by a long shot.

[RP]

There is a large chunk of roster in AEW that can’t throw punches as well as Shane. This is why I said there was pressure on them to actually be good, because when they aren’t it permits anything.

Shane is over, is recognizable, has a few things on his bucket list. Him being involved is not the most egregious thing in wrestling. Not by a long shot.




If I were the 17th entrant in the Royal Rumble and my name was Feedmedicks McMahon, I would be over.

[Mr. Nerfect]

If I were the 17th entrant in the Royal Rumble and my name was Feedmedicks McMahon, I would be over.

But it’s not and you’re not.

[XL]

There is a large chunk of roster in AEW that can’t throw punches as well as Shane. This is why I said there was pressure on them to actually be good, because when they aren’t it permits anything.

Shane is over, is recognizable, has a few things on his bucket list. Him being involved is not the most egregious thing in wrestling. Not by a long shot.

I think it’s customary for someone to say something like “Who was even talking about AEW<s>/WWE</s>!? This thread is about <s>AEW/</s>WWE. You’re the only one making the comparison. :fu:”

[Bad News Gertner]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Don’t think this one needs a caption. <a href="https://t.co/cwEIfVEcvh">pic.twitter.com/cwEIfVEcvh</a></p>&mdash; WCW Deep Cuts (@DeepCutsWCW) <a href="https://twitter.com/DeepCutsWCW/status/1488239529525923853?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 31, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[XL]

That's another theory.

What like a brother or sister? :shifty:

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think it’s customary for someone to say something like “Who was even talking about AEW<s>/WWE</s>!? This thread is about <s>AEW/</s>WWE. You’re the only one making the comparison. :fu:”

It’s a general thread. It’s all connected. AEW sucking allows WWE to suck even more, because there is no threat. They flat-out culled their boutique product designed to appeal to the hardcore fan, because who gives a fuck? The “no one even mentioned AEW” thing is just a defensive way to stop talking about the truth. :lol:

[RP]

What ever you need to tell yourself to cope, Mr. Nerfect.

[slik]

Davey Richards is doing gay porn now, just saw the pics on wrestlewiththepackage on reddit

[slik]

Does seem to have a pretty big dong

[RP]

Slik..


That is a mighty interesting Reddit you've been visiting.

[Bad News Gertner]

Apparently it was just a private video for his wife

[Jordan]

Apparently it was just a private video for his wife

Bahahahahaha

[Vastardikai]

Specifically on the punches..... as they put Riddle over regularly as an amazing striker..... only to be outdone by, whatever the fuck Shane does.

It was hilarious. 'Daddy says Sell!"

[Sepholio]

So Matt Hardy has basically confirmed that Jeff was clean, was not concussed and just decided he was gonna walk out and quit in the middle of the match because he had enough. Pretty sure that throws the whole "THEY FIRED HIM FOR NOT GOING TO REHAB" narrative in the trash. They released him because he quit and they don't wanna waste their time on him any more.

And people are still stanning for Jeff. Shocker.

[Lock Jaw]

Jeff Hardy has CENA NUFF

[Evil Vito]

Well, it’s certainly not professional, that’s for sure. But it is kinda brilliant in the sense that they probably wouldn’t have let him out of his deal if he asked for his release. The fact they called to try to get him back already would suggest as much.

Of course, I think employees should be able to freely quit their job when they’re unhappy and things like this can be avoided. Shame they aren’t employees.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It’s unprofessional as fuck. The WWE would have likely released him in the next wave had he asked for it. They didn’t even wait for his test results to come back and people think they called him back?

[Mr. Nerfect]

It’s kind of presumptuous to assume that he’ll get a job with any old mark after the conduct. TK would actually get the slightest sliver of respect from me if he told Jeff to fuck off and young Jeffrey was now in a position where he has to work somewhere for way less money than he expected.

[Sepholio]

I'm not entirely sure they called to get him back. I can believe the HoF induction, but with him walking out and quitting on them? No way they tried to hire him back. That's Meltzer talking out the side of his neck. And seeing as how the Hardy camp, who is the only (and obviously biased) source of information is basically touting how awesome it is that Jeff is a quitter in front of paying fans, I'm not very inclined to believe what they have to say on the matter either because they are going to sugarcoat it to help Jeffs image.

[Sepholio]

And as much as I like watching Jeff work, I'm the Nerf on the whole TK thing. If Jeff shows up as soon as the 90 days is over my respect for TK will go down. If Jeff doesn't show up in AEW, at least not for a long while, I'll have more respect for him.

TBH though this whole thing REEKS of what would amount to tampering in the professional sports world. I'm fairly convinced TK sent word via Matt that Jeff has a job in AEW doing whatever crazy schtick he wants that WWE won't let him do *cough*WILLOW*cough* and Jeff was like "Sweet, I'll go get myself fired ASAP, see you guys in 3 months." Fully expect to see him debut sometime right around Wrestlemania.

[Evil Vito]

I think calling to offer him a HOF spot right after all of this is pretty telling of how WWE feel about him, and I'd guess that would leave the door wide open if he decided to come right back to work. Bottom line though I don't think it's something they offer him a few months after the walkout if they were that pissed off of him.

They were always gonna try to get him into the HOF eventually but trying to do so just months after his last match when he's not given the indication he's retired, seems like a hell of a statement on the company's part.

[Sepholio]

Guess Lashley is dropping the title at Elimination Chamber

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WWE had plans since the pairing began last spring for Riddle vs Randy Orton @ SummerSlam, which didn’t happen. Plan was to hold off til Mania. I’m told now only a handful of creative members want to spilt them, w/ the idea that if the match happens, it should be for the WWE title</p>&mdash; WrestleVotes (@WrestleVotes) <a href="https://twitter.com/WrestleVotes/status/1488203900784197638?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 31, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Saw reports the Riddle was actually scheduled to be the winner of the Rumble match but they went through a bunch of changes with the Lesnar stuff at the last minute. At one point Orton was scheduled to win it in front of his home crowd but he apparently told them that if he was going to win it to just give the win to Riddle because he is the future and has earned it. That didn't stick so Orton apparently tried to have Riddle at least be the last man out, but BORK LESNOR put his foot down because he doesn't like Riddle and said no to all that. BORK holding people down, surprise.

[Sepholio]

I think calling to offer him a HOF spot right after all of this is pretty telling of how WWE feel about him, and I'd guess that would leave the door wide open if he decided to come right back to work. Bottom line though I don't think it's something they offer him a few months after the walkout if they were that pissed off of him.

They were always gonna try to get him into the HOF eventually but trying to do so just months after his last match when he's not given the indication he's retired, seems like a hell of a statement on the company's part.

Yeah its weird but when you consider how hard pressed they are to fine worthy and popular entrants into the HoF these days it isn't really surprising. And he may not be retired from wrestling over all but he definitely is from WWE imo. And since when has being retired been a staple of the HoF anyways? There are plenty of guys in it who still worked matches after the fact.

[Evil Vito]

Anyway, he's clearly going to end up in AEW. Not sure it will happen right at the 90 days (though he might sign at that point even if he doesn't debut yet) but I think by the summer he'll be turning up. This whole angle where Matt surrendered 51% of his company but he and Private Party have 60% of the board seats seems like a pretty clear way to eventually have him heaved out of the group and, presumably, that's when Jeff will come in.

Matt's said they're both in agreement that they wanted to end their in-ring careers the way they started by teaming together so, presumably, they'll be doing their thing for one last run that lasts however long they want it to and that'll be that.

[Sepholio]

And again, even though I can buy the HoF reaching out to him, it should still be taken with a grain of salt. The only reporting on it stems from Meltzer, whos reporting has consistently gotten less accurate especially where WWE is concerned, and the Hardys, who are going to do everything in their power to make Jeff look good.

[weather vane]

Personally I don’t care how he gets to AEW. Why does it matter if WWE is pissed at him or not? It’s really the only worthwhile thing to do with Matt. Have a nice little retirement run. Cool enough.

[Jordan]

Anyway, he's clearly going to end up in AEW. Not sure it will happen right at the 90 days (though he might sign at that point even if he doesn't debut yet) but I think by the summer he'll be turning up. This whole angle where Matt surrendered 51% of his company but he and Private Party have 60% of the board seats seems like a pretty clear way to eventually have him heaved out of the group and, presumably, that's when Jeff will come in.

Matt's said they're both in agreement that they wanted to end their in-ring careers the way they started by teaming together so, presumably, they'll be doing their thing for one last run that lasts however long they want it to and that'll be that.

There is no way that one or both of them won't be wrestling until they are way too old to. :lol:

[Sepholio]

That'll be Jeff. He'll be wrestling when he's 80. Matts had issues before, I think with his back if I remember correctly. He's got to be close to hanging it up.

[Tom Guycott]

... meanwhile, Mustafa Ali is essentially being held hostage.

[Sepholio]

Shouldn't have went to social media. He tried to spite them and now they are returning the favor. The last thing I'm doing at my job I don't like is trying to piss everyone off. It's already bad enough, why make it worse?

Also hostage is a bit harsh. Hostages don't get paid 6 figures to sit around and basically do whatever they want. If that's what a hostage is then sign me tf up.

[Tom Guycott]

Shouldn't have went to social media. He tried to spite them and now they are returning the favor. The last thing I'm doing at my job I don't like is trying to piss everyone off. It's already bad enough, why make it worse?

Also hostage is a bit harsh. Hostages don't get paid 6 figures to sit around and basically do whatever they want. If that's what a hostage is then sign me tf up.

Oh, I personally agree with the money part. But maybe he doesn't exactly need it, nor does he need any sort of legal entanglement for just walking like someone such as Mr. Of The River had to do.

Also, my point is that Jeff walked out, and can bascially do whatever he wants. Mustafa said he wants out, and they told him no... and it feels like one of those "better to ask forgiveness than permission" types of things.

Also also, I still don't get why WWE is like this. They won't let people leave if they're unhappy - even having gone so far as to add time on their contract for time missed while injured (I think it happened to more than one person, but I can only think of Rey Rey that one time) - but will fire people who moved halfway across the country or made huge consessions for them with the expectation they were going to be with the company for awhile. You'd think shit would be the other way around.

[drave]

And it isn't like they are even going to use him for anything at this point. If they do, he should shit the bed and not care like EC3 at the end of his "run".


Thinking about it, if you aren't using a guy AND you won't let him go, why is that? Is there something to be afraid of? Certainly not, I wouldn't think, not with a talent like him who is "good", but not a "superstar".

[Evil Vito]

That'll be Jeff. He'll be wrestling when he's 80. Matts had issues before, I think with his back if I remember correctly. He's got to be close to hanging it up.

I think Matt said shortly before his WWE deal was up that he thinks he's got 3-4 years left on a "modest schedule" and that would be 2 years ago now, so yeah I think he's on very limited time. Probably wants to get out before he's too beat up to play with his kids that Reby keeps having.

Jeff inferred in 2020 that he could be on borrowed time in the ring too so I dunno. He's admitted that the bumps have taken a real toll over the years, hence why he protects himself on the Swanton now instead of the other way around. But of the two he's definitely the one I can see changing his mind and sticking around until he's taken one bump too many.

Broken Hardys...just a different kind of broken.

[Bad News Gertner]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">30 years ago today:<br><br>Hogan is chosen; Sid isn't happy. <a href="https://t.co/hXLZBowp3U">pic.twitter.com/hXLZBowp3U</a></p>&mdash; OVP - Retro Wrestling Podcast (@ovppodcast) <a href="https://twitter.com/ovppodcast/status/1488504154771230723?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 1, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[slik]

Meltzer reporting Shane vs Seth is the WM plan, weird if true

[Sepholio]

lol I just saw the dark match after RAW last night was Becky vs Bianca. I bet you can guess how that turned out lol.

Bianca squashed Becky in 12 seconds.

[Mr. Nerfect]

On Mustafa Ali: Ask for your release privately, then when the next round comes up, you’ll be let go. Seriously, they do this with basically everyone that asks these days. Lucha House Party are examples of that. Don’t go public, you fucking twat.

On Jeff Hardy: Ask for your release privately, then when the next the round comes up, you’ll be let go. This isn’t that hard. But wrestlers are fucking morons who jump onto hard surfaces back-first for a living, so go figure they can’t work this out.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Hiring Jeff is a terrible idea right now. If he can do it to Vince, he can do it to you. Matt should also be fired, just because he’s terrible.

[Splaya]

On Mustafa Ali: Ask for your release privately, then when the next round comes up, you’ll be let go. Seriously, they do this with basically everyone that asks these days. Lucha House Party are examples of that. Don’t go public, you fucking twat.

On Jeff Hardy: Ask for your release privately, then when the next the round comes up, you’ll be let go. This isn’t that hard. But wrestlers are fucking morons who jump onto hard surfaces back-first for a living, so go figure they can’t work this out.

Agreed. Ali's problem is not that he asked for his release, it's that he asked for his release and then went public about it. Vince will let him SIT for however much is left on this contract, he doesn't give a fuck.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Do we know for a fact he didn’t ask for it privately? I have no idea. But if he did and was denied, then I don’t blame him. They pulled the same shit with Brody.

[drave]

Lots of speculation going on, should monetize it maybe, see how many subs can be gotten, then spend like crazy with ill gotten gainshausen

[Mr. Nerfect]

Agreed. Ali's problem is not that he asked for his release, it's that he asked for his release and then went public about it. Vince will let him SIT for however much is left on this contract, he doesn't give a fuck.

He may be lucky and get out in the next batch of releases, but he may have pushed that all back. Inadvertently saved a bunch of people their jobs…or prevented people from getting out. :lol:

[Bad News Gertner]

Omfg

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr">Khali “powerbombs” Kojima <a href="https://t.co/BrfhouGl9t">pic.twitter.com/BrfhouGl9t</a></p>&mdash; Chad Campbell (@bigboysplaywcw) <a href="https://twitter.com/bigboysplaywcw/status/1488633382921809927?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 1, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[ron the dial]

:rofl:

[Bad News Gertner]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is what's called living your best damn life <a href="https://t.co/bKee1Jd0cm">pic.twitter.com/bKee1Jd0cm</a></p>&mdash; Kris Zellner (@KrisZellner) <a href="https://twitter.com/KrisZellner/status/1488706539435216901?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 2, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The November 4 set of WWE releases are now free agents and out of their non-compete clauses.<br><br>This includes Karrion Kross, Keith Lee, Ember Moon, Oney Lorcan, Gran Metalik, Lince Dorado, Mia Yim, Harry Smith, Eva Marie and Nia Jax.</p>&mdash; Sean Ross Sapp of Fightful.com (@SeanRossSapp) <a href="https://twitter.com/SeanRossSapp/status/1488746856603607040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 2, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Mr. Nerfect]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The November 4 set of WWE releases are now free agents and out of their non-compete clauses.<br><br>This includes Karrion Kross, Keith Lee, Ember Moon, Oney Lorcan, Gran Metalik, Lince Dorado, Mia Yim, Harry Smith, Eva Marie and Nia Jax.</p>&mdash; Sean Ross Sapp of Fightful.com (@SeanRossSapp) <a href="https://twitter.com/SeanRossSapp/status/1488746856603607040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 2, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

No difference-makers in there, but it’ll be interesting to see where they end up all the same. Harry Smith is probably the one I’m most interested in.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Omfg

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr">Khali “powerbombs” Kojima <a href="https://t.co/BrfhouGl9t">pic.twitter.com/BrfhouGl9t</a></p>&mdash; Chad Campbell (@bigboysplaywcw) <a href="https://twitter.com/bigboysplaywcw/status/1488633382921809927?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 1, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Didn’t he literally kill a man trying that? Fucking hell.

[Sepholio]

lol Sami Zayn attacked Johnny Knoxville at the Jackass premiere. Johnny fought back and got Zayn kicked out the theatre.

Zayn was then lurking outside posting online how he's waiting for Knoxville to come out after the show lol.

Guess that's your celebrity WM match this year.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don’t know why I still listen to the free clips from Meltzer and Alvarez. They’re full of shit and don’t know what they’re talking about. I guess it just keeps me up to date the talking points. But I just got so frustrated listening to the one from Tuesday talking about how AEW is so good at creating stars, yet WWE sucks at it so much. Yet…their show is watched by way more people than the other show? How does that make ANY sense?

Austin Theory beats Kevin Owens, Alvarez complains. His defense is that WWE has to beat him at the Chamber. Does he whinge about this when AEW does a clusterfuck featuring its alleged rising stars? Of course not.

AEW protects its “stars.” Never mind the sooking he does when the WWE tries to do the same — he’ll only use this as an argument when talking about WWE bringing guys up.

MJF had a win-loss percentage of 77% in 2021, by the way. Jungle Boy 70%. Allin did better at 89%. Year before he was 60%.

[fundiddle]

lol Sami Zayn attacked Johnny Knoxville at the Jackass premiere. Johnny fought back and got Zayn kicked out the theatre.

Zayn was then lurking outside posting online how he's waiting for Knoxville to come out after the show lol.

Guess that's your celebrity WM match this year.
i predict it's a jackass-style cinematic pure comedy segment. gotta fill up those two cards!

[Mr. Nerfect]

I’m fine with Zayn and Knoxville. I wonder if it would be better off on FOX, letting a lot of people see it and getting it out of the way. But maybe they can space it out until then.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I see Impact Wrestling making it pretty good out of that recently released talent.

[Tom Guycott]

On Mustafa Ali: Ask for your release privately, then when the next round comes up, you’ll be let go. Seriously, they do this with basically everyone that asks these days. Lucha House Party are examples of that. Don’t go public, you fucking twat.

On Jeff Hardy: Ask for your release privately, then when the next the round comes up, you’ll be let go. This isn’t that hard. But wrestlers are fucking morons who jump onto hard surfaces back-first for a living, so go figure they can’t work this out.

Imagine applying this same "logic" to literally any other job.

"Hey, I want to put in my two weeks notice."

"Okay, well, we don't fire people until one particular time of year, so just continue driving your ass to the office for another five months."

I'm sure you'd say you would do just that just to uphold your point, but in real life practice, pretty sure nobody would want to actually go along with that shit. But because it's some "dream job" notion, not getting the release you ask for from a company not keen on keeping you somehow makes you a "twat".

Especially if you have other shit you want or need to do, and two weeks notice is really just more of a formality to somewhat ensure you can be hired back. And even that doesn't doesn't neccessarily apply to WWE either, since they've brought back people they've fired, publicly buried, and had even become persona non grata for years at a time. With all the hay made out of Jeff's departure, pretty sure they would bring both Hardyz back... especially Jeff, because they'd see some sort of percentage in it. All this really says is that they see value in the guy, but want to pretend they don't. They're still on that toy collecting nonsense.

Jeff might have wanted to ask for a release, too, but would have been in the same boat of needing to sit out however long his contract was, so he pretened to be fucked up and they let him go under the guise of a wellness violation to avoid any negative PR. Not a popular scheme, but it got him out of contract.

I get the point behind being so-called "professional", but it's a two way street. Who gives a fuck if they want to work for the supposed competition that you also pretend isn't competition? And again, it isn't like they didn't do this type of shit even when AEW or resurrection of NWA didn't exist. Or when they pretended ROH or TNA weren't a thing. Or hell, even before they really *were* a thing.

This whole thing makes zero sense from WWE's standpoint:

-It makes zero business sense to pay someone just to spite them.

-It makes zero business sense to arbitrarily keep someone around you're not using and/or minimizing.

-It makes zero buisness sense to fire people who actually want to be there to "save money", but continue paying someone who doesn't want to be there.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Imagine applying this same "logic" to literally any other job.

"Hey, I want to put in my two weeks notice."

"Okay, well, we don't fire people until one particular time of year, so just continue driving your ass to the office for another five months."

I'm sure you'd say you would do just that just to uphold your point, but in real life practice, pretty sure nobody would want to actually go along with that shit. But because it's some "dream job" notion, not getting the release you ask for from a company not keen on keeping you somehow makes you a "twat".

Especially if you have other shit you want or need to do, and two weeks notice is really just more of a formality to somewhat ensure you can be hired back. And even that doesn't doesn't neccessarily apply to WWE either, since they've brought back people they've fired, publicly buried, and had even become persona non grata for years at a time. With all the hay made out of Jeff's departure, pretty sure they would bring both Hardyz back... especially Jeff, because they'd see some sort of percentage in it. All this really says is that they see value in the guy, but want to pretend they don't. They're still on that toy collecting nonsense.

Jeff might have wanted to ask for a release, too, but would have been in the same boat of needing to sit out however long his contract was, so he pretened to be fucked up and they let him go under the guise of a wellness violation to avoid any negative PR. Not a popular scheme, but it got him out of contract.

I get the point behind being so-called "professional", but it's a two way street. Who gives a fuck if they want to work for the supposed competition that you also pretend isn't competition? And again, it isn't like they didn't do this type of shit even when AEW or resurrection of NWA didn't exist. Or when they pretended ROH or TNA weren't a thing. Or hell, even before they really *were* a thing.

This whole thing makes zero sense from WWE's standpoint:

-It makes zero business sense to pay someone just to spite them.

-It makes zero business sense to arbitrarily keep someone around you're not using and/or minimizing.

-It makes zero buisness sense to fire people who actually want to be there to "save money", but continue paying someone who doesn't want to be there.

Nice job putting words into my mouth. I’ve always said that talent should be able to leave the WWE if they want. I’m just able to see their perspective too, given that WWE offers a global platform to allow people to market themselves. Bo competes definitely make sense. As does not rewarding an idiot for going public saying that he wants to break his contract like that is a key. Brian Kendrick has already been released from his deal. Bad-mouthing the company, whether you agree with their hiring/firing policies or not is a stupid motherfucking way to go about achieving your goal, if your goal is actually to get out.

Jeff Hardy didn’t ask for his release from the company. Do you know how I know this? Because they didn’t fucking fire him when they were looking to unload people.

They recently sent Mustafa Ali over to Saudi Arabia. That’s one of their highest paying gigs of the year. And they have been firing people who don’t want to be there to save money. That’s why Lucha House Party went. Mustafa Ali probably would have gone if he didn’t make such an unprofessional stink.

By the way, Tony Khan is apparently pretty hell-bent on getting people to honor their contracts too. We’ll see if he’s got the guts, but let’s not pretend it’s just Evil Vince.

[screech]

I'm good with Zayn/Knoxville at Mania

[Bad News Gertner]

Didn’t he literally kill a man trying that? Fucking hell.

He did a flap jack to an untrained wrestler.

[erickman]

Meltzer reporting Shane vs Seth is the WM plan, weird if true

shane is out of wwe he was sent home today no more raw

[erickman]

2 places shane can buy if he wants impact or roh

[slik]

Only 60 likes on an account with over 1 million followers, interest in Ronda at an all-time high!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Baddest Woman on the Planet is back in WWE <a href="https://t.co/O4XI2wT1a8">https://t.co/O4XI2wT1a8</a></p>&mdash; Sports Illustrated (@SInow) <a href="https://twitter.com/SInow/status/1487633285614350337?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 30, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[slik]

WWE Next In Line signee AJ Ferrari responsible for car wreck that lead to hospitalization and a vehicle engulfed in flames



<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Oklahoma State wrestler AJ Ferrari and All-American cross country runner Isai Rodriguez were hospitalized with injuries after a car crash Monday.<br><br>The school said in a statement that neither of the two athletes suffered life-threatening injuries. <a href="https://t.co/KzE8ERDkgG">https://t.co/KzE8ERDkgG</a></p>&mdash; ESPN (@espn) <a href="https://twitter.com/espn/status/1486089095701053443?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 25, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Jordan]

Ric Flair and Fifi have broken up. They were together for several years and she was his manager a long time ago. Reports that they separated a few months ago. I wonder if the Darkside documentary is a reason for their split?

[Jordan]

If on the horizon for wrestling in the US there is a new company in the distance, there is one thing I am really hoping for. When I watch WWE or AEW, New Japan, Impact... everyone is doing this "hyper-speed" pro wrestling. It's all influenced by Japan and early ROH days. This style that works well for smaller people, the dives and kick pads, the thigh slaps and limited selling for devastating spots.

I really want a product that does none of that. Go back to the basic and drag down the action to a point where the back and forth punches of a Bockwinkle and Lawler in the Memphis Coliseum would rivet the audience like they were in a Rocky movie.

There is such a focus of gymnastic style moves and to an extent it's cool. Like when Ricochet and Ospreay did that match several years ago in the J Cup, that was game changing. It was like Marvel meets wrestling. As a spectacle, or a showcase it was cool but now that is dominating the cards.

I still love watching AEW and a lot of their super speed matches are really cool but I do really want to see someone go with a different take. If that hypothetical promotion were to ever happen.

Of course there is always the chance that ROH could turn their product into something different when they return. I mean they have a lot of guys I'd try to get back like Gresham and Bandido, but they also had Adam Scherr on their last show. I wonder if that is a sign that they are going to be picking up some new names, since obviously they were able to get out of all their other contracts that will be happening on some level.

Also just wanted to mention that FTR did show up at the Final Battle PPV and face off with The Briscoes. While that could be a match that get's a spot on a GCW or perhaps even an AEW show, I think it would make more sense for that match to take place at ROH's return WM weekend at Supercard of Honor.

ROH will probably have a pretty interesting card for that show and I do expect that AEW will lend a hand, and we are likely to see some new signings that we didn't expect so that show will be worth watching.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I just want things to make sense.

[slik]

faces of foliage

https://i.postimg.cc/TPH1T8z0/272951431-10224606097798346-6043679603433896442-n.jpg

[Bad News Gertner]

Hardwork Bobby Walker might be the worst wrestler in the history of wrestling

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">How do you miss a target that big? <a href="https://t.co/xbhl8cr4Nk">pic.twitter.com/xbhl8cr4Nk</a></p>&mdash; WCW Deep Cuts (@DeepCutsWCW) <a href="https://twitter.com/DeepCutsWCW/status/1488964293072670734?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 2, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Mr. Nerfect]

Hardwork Bobby Walker might be the worst wrestler in the history of wrestling

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">How do you miss a target that big? <a href="https://t.co/xbhl8cr4Nk">pic.twitter.com/xbhl8cr4Nk</a></p>&mdash; WCW Deep Cuts (@DeepCutsWCW) <a href="https://twitter.com/DeepCutsWCW/status/1488964293072670734?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 2, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This is the same guy who sued WCW because they didn’t give him the same pay as Ric Flair, right?

[Bad News Gertner]

Lol yeah. He always used to do these rope walk/spring board moves but would fall off 90% of the times. In the racial discrimination lawsuit Arn Anderson goes into details how he kept telling Walker to practice those things in training, not on live T.V but Walker would ignore him

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A first look at Beth Phoenix and Shawn Michaels from the Performance Center of the WWE 2K22 MyRISE Mode ��<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWE2K22?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWE2K22</a> <a href="https://t.co/cIrtgq5fD2">pic.twitter.com/cIrtgq5fD2</a></p>&mdash; The SmackDown Hotel �� #WWE2K22 (@TheSDHotel) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheSDHotel/status/1488921569627934724?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 2, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[weather vane]

Lollllll wtf.

[Jordan]

My God.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol yeah. He always used to do these rope walk/spring board moves but would fall off 90% of the times. In the racial discrimination lawsuit Arn Anderson goes into details how he kept telling Walker to practice those things in training, not on live T.V but Walker would ignore him

That’s incredible.

[drave]

A first look at Beth Phoenix and Shawn Michaels from the Performance Center of the WWE 2K22 MyRISE Mode ��#WWE2K22 (https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWE2K22?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) pic.twitter.com/cIrtgq5fD2 (https://t.co/cIrtgq5fD2)
— The SmackDown Hotel �� #WWE2K22 (@TheSDHotel) February 2, 2022 (https://twitter.com/TheSDHotel/status/1488921569627934724?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) <script async="" src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>




But they gave Beth Phoenix HBK's eyes. :wtf:

[Fignuts]

If on the horizon for wrestling in the US there is a new company in the distance, there is one thing I am really hoping for. When I watch WWE or AEW, New Japan, Impact... everyone is doing this "hyper-speed" pro wrestling. It's all influenced by Japan and early ROH days. This style that works well for smaller people, the dives and kick pads, the thigh slaps and limited selling for devastating spots.

I really want a product that does none of that. Go back to the basic and drag down the action to a point where the back and forth punches of a Bockwinkle and Lawler in the Memphis Coliseum would rivet the audience like they were in a Rocky movie.

There is such a focus of gymnastic style moves and to an extent it's cool. Like when Ricochet and Ospreay did that match several years ago in the J Cup, that was game changing. It was like Marvel meets wrestling. As a spectacle, or a showcase it was cool but now that is dominating the cards.

I still love watching AEW and a lot of their super speed matches are really cool but I do really want to see someone go with a different take. If that hypothetical promotion were to ever happen.

Of course there is always the chance that ROH could turn their product into something different when they return. I mean they have a lot of guys I'd try to get back like Gresham and Bandido, but they also had Adam Scherr on their last show. I wonder if that is a sign that they are going to be picking up some new names, since obviously they were able to get out of all their other contracts that will be happening on some level.

Also just wanted to mention that FTR did show up at the Final Battle PPV and face off with The Briscoes. While that could be a match that get's a spot on a GCW or perhaps even an AEW show, I think it would make more sense for that match to take place at ROH's return WM weekend at Supercard of Honor.

ROH will probably have a pretty interesting card for that show and I do expect that AEW will lend a hand, and we are likely to see some new signings that we didn't expect so that show will be worth watching.

That will never happen. Or at least never take off in any meaningful way. This fast paced style has been around for a long time, but became so popular because it reflects modern society's obsession with instant gratification.

There will always be fans who can appreciate the slow burn of old school wrestling, but as long as we live in a culture that needs everything right this instant, it will never take off with mainstream audiences.

[Bad News Gertner]

Outstanding lol

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Lord Steven Regal is APPALLED that Fit Finlay would possibly interfere for him. <a href="https://t.co/6F4MrvzS4D">pic.twitter.com/6F4MrvzS4D</a></p>&mdash; WCW Deep Cuts (@DeepCutsWCW) <a href="https://twitter.com/DeepCutsWCW/status/1488925648840278019?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 2, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Mr. Nerfect]

That will never happen. Or at least never take off in any meaningful way. This fast paced style has been around for a long time, but became so popular because it reflects modern society's obsession with instant gratification.

There will always be fans who can appreciate the slow burn of old school wrestling, but as long as we live in a culture that needs everything right this instant, it will never take off with mainstream audiences.

I don’t know if I agree with this. Normally your posts are pretty spot-on, but I think too much cynical is written about younger generations, technology and how we consume media. Yes, it has changed. But that doesn’t mean people can’t appreciate a story or something with a more deliberate pace. I’d suggest that people’s appetite for finely crafted drama has only increased over the years.

[Jordan]

I have this image of a product that looks similar to Lucha Underground at The Temple, is wrestled a bit more like Bloodsport where less is more. The promotion would start with a G-1 Style tournament. Call it something different of course but it's a league tournament.
Imagine a 20 or so show tour broadcast on FITE with a mega roster of available talent out there right now.

Based off that you could have an entire promotion to go forward.

[Fignuts]

I don’t know if I agree with this. Normally your posts are pretty spot-on, but I think too much cynical is written about younger generations, technology and how we consume media. Yes, it has changed. But that doesn’t mean people can’t appreciate a story or something with a more deliberate pace. I’d suggest that people’s appetite for finely crafted drama has only increased over the years.

I don't disagree entirely, but in regards to this industry specifically, I can't see mainstream fans going back to slower style matches. I think you can throw the occasional old school style match in there, but a product that is entirely, or even mostly that will get rejected. Do casual fans even talk about ring psychology, story telling, or any of the subtle details that make a great performance?

[Fignuts]

I have this image of a product that looks similar to Lucha Underground at The Temple, is wrestled a bit more like Bloodsport where less is more. The promotion would start with a G-1 Style tournament. Call it something different of course but it's a league tournament.
Imagine a 20 or so show tour broadcast on FITE with a mega roster of available talent out there right now.

Based off that you could have an entire promotion to go forward.
I would love a promotion that adopts a grounded sports presentation and showcases actual classic strong style wrestling as opposed to the indyriffic imitation we have today.

I was excited for AEW because when Cody was describing it, that's what it kind of sounded like, but it's obviously not what we got.

[Destor]

I don't disagree entirely, but in regards to this industry specifically, I can't see mainstream fans going back to slower style matches. I think you can throw the occasional old school style match in there, but a product that is entirely, or even mostly that will get rejected. Do casual fans even talk about ring psychology, story telling, or any of the subtle details that make a great performance?psychology and story telling arent things people dicuss theyre things that draw people in against their will when done correctly and its those factors that are misisng from most of all modern wrestling and its that void that keeps the product from working

[Fignuts]

I have doubts whether that's enough anymore. The draw of wrestling during its biggest boom periods were the characters more than the wrestling itself. Obviously having great wrestling compliments those characters, and you want that in the product, but if you can't create stars, does it even matter whether your product old school wrestling or modern spotfests?

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think you’re drawing a line between characters and psychology that doesn’t need to be there. Hulk Hogan, Steve Austin and The Rock all had excellent psychology. People might attribute it to “character.” More casual fans might attribute it to them being “cool” or just who they are as people. But that is conveyed a lot of the time through psychology. It’s like a grounding of that character.

If Austin started coming out doing cartwheels, in fluro pink trunks and his finishing move was a moonsault that he got power for from kissing a baby — the whole act falls apart. Good psychology means being “on” as an entity, and doing things that your character, based in a sports-setting, would do.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Or just read Destor’s posts.

[Jordan]

I don't disagree entirely, but in regards to this industry specifically, I can't see mainstream fans going back to slower style matches. I think you can throw the occasional old school style match in there, but a product that is entirely, or even mostly that will get rejected. Do casual fans even talk about ring psychology, story telling, or any of the subtle details that make a great performance?

See ... I'm not so sure that back in "the day" that the majority of fans really sought out a "great match" like obviously a stinker is a stinker but there wasn't this standard of certain spots you had to hit for it to be a classic. Now you have the tope suicida's, the apron work, trading finishers and kick out, finisher off the top etc...

Fans really cared a lot more about the story and how their guy grows to overcome the bad guy. But still within that you had those more athletic performers like Shawn, Steamboat or Owen, the technical aces like Bret or Mr. Perfect, but obviously the characters that were compelling like Jake, Heenan, DiBiase and Flair. Then the monsters like Yoko or Bundy, Andre or Vader.

When I was a kid I only really noticed the match quality when it was a shit match, otherwise I was pretty much into whatever.

[Sepholio]

https://i.imgur.com/bBaYyzx.jpg

Foleyhausen is really good people.

[Bad News Gertner]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Look at the smoothness of this exchange between Chris Jericho and Dean Malenko… <a href="https://t.co/6Pl9MIScsi">pic.twitter.com/6Pl9MIScsi</a></p>&mdash; WCW Deep Cuts (@DeepCutsWCW) <a href="https://twitter.com/DeepCutsWCW/status/1489397153185337344?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 4, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Sepholio]

lol Goldberg vs Reigns at Blood Money 7 seems to be the plan atm.

[Bad News Gertner]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is like if someone showed up on Smackdown named Michael Bole. <a href="https://t.co/TtFP0ryRnj">pic.twitter.com/TtFP0ryRnj</a></p>&mdash; WCW Deep Cuts (@DeepCutsWCW) <a href="https://twitter.com/DeepCutsWCW/status/1489593110103482370?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 4, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[drave]

lol Goldberg vs Reigns at Blood Money 7 seems to be the plan atm.




ugh.

[Tom Guycott]

Nice job putting words into my mouth. I’ve always said that talent should be able to leave the WWE if they want. I’m just able to see their perspective too, given that WWE offers a global platform to allow people to market themselves. Bo competes definitely make sense. As does not rewarding an idiot for going public saying that he wants to break his contract like that is a key. Brian Kendrick has already been released from his deal. Bad-mouthing the company, whether you agree with their hiring/firing policies or not is a stupid motherfucking way to go about achieving your goal, if your goal is actually to get out.

Jeff Hardy didn’t ask for his release from the company. Do you know how I know this? Because they didn’t fucking fire him when they were looking to unload people.

They recently sent Mustafa Ali over to Saudi Arabia. That’s one of their highest paying gigs of the year. And they have been firing people who don’t want to be there to save money. That’s why Lucha House Party went. Mustafa Ali probably would have gone if he didn’t make such an unprofessional stink.

By the way, Tony Khan is apparently pretty hell-bent on getting people to honor their contracts too. We’ll see if he’s got the guts, but let’s not pretend it’s just Evil Vince.

One, way to complain about somebody putting words in your mouth, but then proceeded to do the same to me. Pot/kettle. But, I said that with an eyeroll, and it wasn't supposed to be a focal point of the issue, so fair, I'll take that one.

Two, not releasing Jeff isn't necessarily "evidence" he never asked - or more importantly what I actually said of *wanted* to ask - for a release. There may even be other oeople who are/have been quiet about wanting to leave and being kept in the background while silently hoping to get dismissed early. We don't know that either, though, because if they exist, they're quiet. If Mustafa Ali didn't take to social media, there's still no guarantee he would've been granted his release just because he was publicly quiet. He might have been just as mad, and just as beholden to his contract, but nobody would have known. Jeff might have even asked and also told no. They probably wanted him to ride out his time as well. We really don't know that, because the only speculation at the time was about a potential wellness policy violation vs his history of them.

Three, you would think that "badmouthing the company" would be a fast track out the door, not a reason the place keeps you around. It is a perverse sort of "punishment"and once again, a strange business strategy. If I publicly told my boss in so many words to go fuck himself, I'm 99% certain (margin of error and all) he wouldn't keep me around just to prevent me from potentially working for a competitor. There is no "their side to see" here, and it goes back to the hyperbole I used about being "held hostage". He can't leave, without some sort of contractual detriment, and they won't let him just because he wants it? That is a petty point for a publically traded company. Seeing the company ceasing to employ someone as a "reward" that they are unwilling to give is ass backwards. "He should be thankful he gets to be on TV" doesn't work when he isn't on TV, yet still is expected to travel like he is. It is also ironically making people figure this is some sort of work that is going to be the start of some SCSA type push or the thing when Austin Aries walked out of Impact how he did.

Four, everything is NOT a Vince vs Tony argument. Who gives a shit about TK holding people to their contracts? Good for him. Not the same thing, though. He's been holding on to talent and just letting contracts lapse instead of cutting them in a manner of "post wrestlemania housecleaning". He isn't in a situation like this, though. If, say, Darby Allin wanted out and Tony said "no", then kept him off TV but made him show up for all the tapings anyway, we could make some sort of apples to apples comparison. And AEW would indeed be just as shitty as WWE. It isn't championing for AEW. It is barely even involving them outside of the natural speculation (but not guarantee) that it is the most likely place he'd show up and he'd likely be expected (but again not guaranteed) to thrive. But you could substitute any fed there, including New Japan. For the argument itself, AEW is a non-factor.

The only thing that even *makes* this an "evil WWE" issue is the long history of this type of thing being an "evil WWE" issue.

To pull a completely different example, I will mention Gallows & Anderson. No matter what anyone thinks about "Medium Show and Small Show", they made BIG NOISE in New Japan. Enough to warrant the attention of WWE- a company with deeo pockets, but notoriously wishy-washy about how they present and book and push tag teams... especially ones they didn't create. It wasn't super long until they went from Bullet Club buzz to just another couple of guys on the roster. Eventually, they would have been split up, repackaged, or shitcanned (or all three) if the formation of AEW wasn't happening. Now, suddenly, they had value to WWE again if only in denying somebody else - especially an organization made up of their well-publicized friends - access to them. They sign them to these big contracts to keep them off the table, then decide like five months in that they didn't want to pay the Good Brothers anymore. How shitty or not that was doesn't hinge on which side balked. If G&A weren't happy and walked out, there would have been a lot of hay made about them being "unprofessional", but because WWE changed their minds on the boatload of cash and multiyear deal they just signed, somehow "that's just business"?

I mentioned before they've kept people under contract or even extended their contract time just to fuck with them. Publicly calling bullshit on that shouldn't make the talent the villain.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The WrestleMania X Rap from Men Ona Mission! <a href="https://t.co/JXkTtFXMRH">pic.twitter.com/JXkTtFXMRH</a></p>&mdash; Richard Land (@maskedwrestlers) <a href="https://twitter.com/maskedwrestlers/status/1241090057278304261?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 20, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Sepholio]

omg i am going to roll up to the WM party this year jamming this on max volume. It will be wondrous.

[Mr. Nerfect]

lol Goldberg vs Reigns at Blood Money 7 seems to be the plan atm.

Pretty smart match for the show. It was scheduled to happen and the last time we saw Goldberg he was going over the current WWE Champion. Plus, Reigns is now feuding with Brock, who is one of Goldberg’s most iconic opponents (definitely in this run).

You’ve got this, an Elimination Chamber featuring some pretty amazing talent and Becky Lynch vs. Lita. That’s a pretty stacked show.

[ron the dial]

watching tracey smothers work a gcw crowd from 2019 and he is so damn good. using jim cornette's birthday to get heat. a brilliant man.

[Mr. Nerfect]

One, way to complain about somebody putting words in your mouth, but then proceeded to do the same to me. Pot/kettle. But, I said that with an eyeroll, and it wasn't supposed to be a focal point of the issue, so fair, I'll take that one.

Two, not releasing Jeff isn't necessarily "evidence" he never asked - or more importantly what I actually said of *wanted* to ask - for a release. There may even be other oeople who are/have been quiet about wanting to leave and being kept in the background while silently hoping to get dismissed early. We don't know that either, though, because if they exist, they're quiet. If Mustafa Ali didn't take to social media, there's still no guarantee he would've been granted his release just because he was publicly quiet. He might have been just as mad, and just as beholden to his contract, but nobody would have known. Jeff might have even asked and also told no. They probably wanted him to ride out his time as well. We really don't know that, because the only speculation at the time was about a potential wellness policy violation vs his history of them.

Three, you would think that "badmouthing the company" would be a fast track out the door, not a reason the place keeps you around. It is a perverse sort of "punishment"and once again, a strange business strategy. If I publicly told my boss in so many words to go fuck himself, I'm 99% certain (margin of error and all) he wouldn't keep me around just to prevent me from potentially working for a competitor. There is no "their side to see" here, and it goes back to the hyperbole I used about being "held hostage". He can't leave, without some sort of contractual detriment, and they won't let him just because he wants it? That is a petty point for a publically traded company. Seeing the company ceasing to employ someone as a "reward" that they are unwilling to give is ass backwards. "He should be thankful he gets to be on TV" doesn't work when he isn't on TV, yet still is expected to travel like he is. It is also ironically making people figure this is some sort of work that is going to be the start of some SCSA type push or the thing when Austin Aries walked out of Impact how he did.

Four, everything is NOT a Vince vs Tony argument. Who gives a shit about TK holding people to their contracts? Good for him. Not the same thing, though. He's been holding on to talent and just letting contracts lapse instead of cutting them in a manner of "post wrestlemania housecleaning". He isn't in a situation like this, though. If, say, Darby Allin wanted out and Tony said "no", then kept him off TV but made him show up for all the tapings anyway, we could make some sort of apples to apples comparison. And AEW would indeed be just as shitty as WWE. It isn't championing for AEW. It is barely even involving them outside of the natural speculation (but not guarantee) that it is the most likely place he'd show up and he'd likely be expected (but again not guaranteed) to thrive. But you could substitute any fed there, including New Japan. For the argument itself, AEW is a non-factor.

The only thing that even *makes* this an "evil WWE" issue is the long history of this type of thing being an "evil WWE" issue.

To pull a completely different example, I will mention Gallows & Anderson. No matter what anyone thinks about "Medium Show and Small Show", they made BIG NOISE in New Japan. Enough to warrant the attention of WWE- a company with deeo pockets, but notoriously wishy-washy about how they present and book and push tag teams... especially ones they didn't create. It wasn't super long until they went from Bullet Club buzz to just another couple of guys on the roster. Eventually, they would have been split up, repackaged, or shitcanned (or all three) if the formation of AEW wasn't happening. Now, suddenly, they had value to WWE again if only in denying somebody else - especially an organization made up of their well-publicized friends - access to them. They sign them to these big contracts to keep them off the table, then decide like five months in that they didn't want to pay the Good Brothers anymore. How shitty or not that was doesn't hinge on which side balked. If G&A weren't happy and walked out, there would have been a lot of hay made about them being "unprofessional", but because WWE changed their minds on the boatload of cash and multiyear deal they just signed, somehow "that's just business"?

I mentioned before they've kept people under contract or even extended their contract time just to fuck with them. Publicly calling bullshit on that shouldn't make the talent the villain.

Going to try and be really succinct with this: The company does not want to set a precedent where unprofessionalism gets you what you want. They may offer him a conditional release, not grant him one or just release him with the next batch, but that sort of unprofessionalism is such bullshit.

[ron the dial]

watching tracey smothers work a gcw crowd from 2019 and he is so damn good. using jim cornette's birthday to get heat. a brilliant man.
lol holy shit he's having a "dance off to the death" with marko stunt. unreal.

[slik]

Long twitter thread but none of it is really surprising


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Glassdoor Reviews by former WWE employees / contractors:<br><br>[thread]<br><br>&quot;You could be released at any time. There's no benefits, no health insurance and the contracts were extremely one-sided.&quot; <a href="https://t.co/xfhuNBJQ01">pic.twitter.com/xfhuNBJQ01</a></p>&mdash; Allan (@allan_cheapshot) <a href="https://twitter.com/allan_cheapshot/status/1489635305284059144?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 4, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Bad News Gertner]

watching tracey smothers work a gcw crowd from 2019 and he is so damn good. using jim cornette's birthday to get heat. a brilliant man.

Smothers was so fucking great. FBI are the highlight of late 97/early 98 ECW. Everything his did was amazing.

[Bad News Gertner]

Vince totally eye fucking Sunny

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A 52 year old man and a 24 year old woman in 1997 just hanging out and being pals. This is what it looked like. <a href="https://t.co/kscz79wisA">pic.twitter.com/kscz79wisA</a></p>&mdash; Alan4L (@Alan4L) <a href="https://twitter.com/Alan4L/status/1489661985524486147?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 4, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[ron the dial]

Smothers was so fucking great. FBI are the highlight of late 97/early 98 ECW. Everything his did was amazing.
he was fantastic in ecw. that's the era of ecw i'm most familiar with i'd say. but seeing him wrap a crowd around his finger with ease 20 years later is amazing.

[ron the dial]

IF I HEAR THIS CROWD CHANT GCW, I'M COMING OUT THERE AND EVERYBODY DIES.

[Jordan]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The WrestleMania X Rap from Men Ona Mission! <a href="https://t.co/JXkTtFXMRH">pic.twitter.com/JXkTtFXMRH</a></p>&mdash; Richard Land (@maskedwrestlers) <a href="https://twitter.com/maskedwrestlers/status/1241090057278304261?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 20, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I guess it's because it's my childhood but I really loved the post steriod WWF. The New Generation, I can always go back and watch that stuff and get sucked into it. Vince on commentary, King is the new Heenan, smaller venues with tons of kids... That Mania 10 card was so stacked. Truly sucks that they had to cut that 8-man tag (or was it 10?) because that match had a lot of stories that were prevalent at the time. What a great show.

[weather vane]

Was pumped for that 10 man tag as a kid. Was shook that it didn’t happen.

[fundiddle]

what was the 10-man supposed to be?


also, i started watching wrestling in 1996. i fucking loved catching livewire on saturday, superstars on sunday and raw on monday (or whatever day when it was preempted by the dog show or tennis)

[Bad News Gertner]

IRS, Headshrinkers, Martel and Jarrett vs 123 Kid, Bob Holly, Tatanka and Smoking Gunns.

It could have been a fun match considering the participants. I think they ended up having the match on Raw but I haven't seen it .

[slik]

Kenny Omega randomly attacking Will Ospreay, very weird


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dude your approaching 40 and we all still poke fun that you wrestled a 9 year old girl.<br><br>That’s you.<br><br>Bit weird bro. <a href="https://t.co/PR1sFmPvpp">https://t.co/PR1sFmPvpp</a></p>&mdash; ᵂⁱˡˡ ᴼˢᵖʳᵉᵃʸ • ウィル・オスプレイ (@WillOspreay) <a href="https://twitter.com/WillOspreay/status/1489701700323758080?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 4, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brother makes MILLIONS of dollars and he is concerned about some cunt not having anything to do with his company, trying to rebuild a scene that so many people gave up on.<br><br>Bruv just rehab up, I want what’s best for you and hope you live a happy life.<br><br>Just lemme focus on my shit</p>&mdash; ᵂⁱˡˡ ᴼˢᵖʳᵉᵃʸ • ウィル・オスプレイ (@WillOspreay) <a href="https://twitter.com/WillOspreay/status/1489711276192317445?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 4, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Jordan]

IRS, Headshrinkers, Martel and Jarrett vs 123 Kid, Bob Holly, Tatanka and Smoking Gunns.

It could have been a fun match considering the participants. I think they ended up having the match on Raw but I haven't seen it .

Yeah I looked it up and it's the April 4th episode. It would have been a fun match to add to that Mania because every match is so different. Really a buffet show with the brilliant Owen/Bret match, laced with the story of the WWF Championship triangle with Luger/Yoko/Bret, you've got the brawl with Crush and Savage, the spectacle of Razor/HBK and the "fun" intergender tag match with Doink and Dink vs Luna and Bam Bam. Gonna have to do a Mania 10 re-watch on the Road to Mania this year.

[Bad News Gertner]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Crazy Rockers double team move <a href="https://t.co/140DxlsC5Z">pic.twitter.com/140DxlsC5Z</a></p>&mdash; Michael (@mikeVSphilly) <a href="https://twitter.com/mikeVSphilly/status/1489750830714654725?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Mr. Nerfect]

Kenny Omega randomly attacking Will Ospreay, very weird


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dude your approaching 40 and we all still poke fun that you wrestled a 9 year old girl.<br><br>That’s you.<br><br>Bit weird bro. <a href="https://t.co/PR1sFmPvpp">https://t.co/PR1sFmPvpp</a></p>&mdash; ᵂⁱˡˡ ᴼˢᵖʳᵉᵃʸ • ウィル・オスプレイ (@WillOspreay) <a href="https://twitter.com/WillOspreay/status/1489701700323758080?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 4, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brother makes MILLIONS of dollars and he is concerned about some cunt not having anything to do with his company, trying to rebuild a scene that so many people gave up on.<br><br>Bruv just rehab up, I want what’s best for you and hope you live a happy life.<br><br>Just lemme focus on my shit</p>&mdash; ᵂⁱˡˡ ᴼˢᵖʳᵉᵃʸ • ウィル・オスプレイ (@WillOspreay) <a href="https://twitter.com/WillOspreay/status/1489711276192317445?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 4, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Possibly a work for no good reason at all, but it wouldn’t surprise me if Omega is so insecure that when Dave blows another wrestler (called Ospreay the best heel in the business and on the level of Terry Funk the other day), he’s just gotta take shots.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Holy shit, I kind of glossed over Omega’s tweet. “EZ 5’s.” Fuck, that refers to Meltzer’s star system. This guy is actually insecure because Dave’s got a new favorite. Hahaha.

[RP]

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[Bad News Gertner]

Lol wow, look at this dudes head bounce off the mat

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Damn. <a href="https://t.co/LTWYHhtmLh">pic.twitter.com/LTWYHhtmLh</a></p>&mdash; WCW Deep Cuts (@DeepCutsWCW) <a href="https://twitter.com/DeepCutsWCW/status/1489792349022695425?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[slik]

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[Fignuts]

Possibly a work for no good reason at all, but it wouldn’t surprise me if Omega is so insecure that when Dave blows another wrestler (called Ospreay the best heel in the business and on the level of Terry Funk the other day), he’s just gotta take shots.

Osprey has greatly improved his physique, presentation, and in ring work since going heavyweight, but holy fucking hyperbole, batman!

[Bad News Gertner]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Apparently this guy was fine but it’s one of the nastiest powerbombs you will see. <a href="https://t.co/US4YnoECYf">pic.twitter.com/US4YnoECYf</a></p>&mdash; Rob Naylor (@NINaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/NINaylor/status/1489998436292304897?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Bad News Gertner]

Speaking of powerbombs.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;Awesome&quot; Mike Awesome being awesome and nearly murdering Kintaro Kanemura <a href="https://t.co/5DDWWRG7oc">pic.twitter.com/5DDWWRG7oc</a></p>&mdash; Allan (@allan_cheapshot) <a href="https://twitter.com/allan_cheapshot/status/1489985254375010305?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Shisen Kopf]

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[XL]

They’re no Shield that’s for sure.

Also, how did they botch it twice?? :shifty:

[Bad News Gertner]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Road Warrior Hawk and Scott Norton <a href="https://t.co/DHnd7NQbEm">pic.twitter.com/DHnd7NQbEm</a></p>&mdash; Allan (@allan_cheapshot) <a href="https://twitter.com/allan_cheapshot/status/1490307846763917315?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 6, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Bad News Gertner]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="es" dir="ltr">El Gigante was incredible. <a href="https://t.co/A3oD3HJIIj">pic.twitter.com/A3oD3HJIIj</a></p>&mdash; WCW Deep Cuts (@DeepCutsWCW) <a href="https://twitter.com/DeepCutsWCW/status/1490366065259466757?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 6, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Mr. Nerfect]

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Funniest thing was hearing Meltzer and Alvarez defend this because they’re heels, so at least the heels look stupid.

[Jordan]

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/T2M9PD6PKpA" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Stupid dinosaur doesn't know how to take a bump. No fault of The Elite.

[Bad News Gertner]

Typical. I bet the Funkasaurus could have taken that bump because he was properly trained.

AEW letting untrained dinosaurs take complex bumps isn't a surprise to anyone

[Jordan]

Typical. I bet the Funkasaurus could have taken that bump because he was properly trained.

AEW letting untrained dinosaurs take complex bumps isn't a surprise to anyone

You do realize that Adam Cole was hand picked by Triple H himself and taken under the Heart Broken wing of HBK himself Shawn Michaels. He wouldn't just do that.

[Mr. Nerfect]

You do realize that Adam Cole was hand picked by Triple H himself and taken under the Heart Broken wing of HBK himself Shawn Michaels. He wouldn't just do that.

Luchadon and Omega were cut from WWE because they fucking suck though.

[Jordan]

Luchadon and Omega were cut from WWE because they fucking suck though.

Bill Demott's taste isn't mine. They should have trained Luchasaurus, instead he went to Mexico and tried the flying trapeze act.

[RP]

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