"100,001" Replies (Wrestling Forum)

[Damian Rey 2.0]

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Plans have apparently changed big time for SummerSlam



Lashley vs Goldberg



And to think I was mildly interested in a Lashley match at summer slam. Yawn.

[Gerard]

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:eek:

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I love the promo even though no way it flies under the radar today

[Noid]

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[Damian Rey 2.0]

The Rock selling that clothesline like he was shot out of a cannon

[Bad News Gertner]

Coach was a great character

[Damian Rey 2.0]

He really was. I loved his rivalry with the Rock. Coach was perfect as the constantly failing foil.

[Bad News Gertner]

Loved him with Bischoff

[slik]

Coach was the sports anchor on my local ABC station before WWE and I remember being really shocked when WWE hired him bc he was really bland...but then he had so much more personality in WWE than he ever did doing local sports.

[Evil Vito]

Wrestling Twitter: talk themselves into the final MITB participant being Becky, Sasha, or Sonya

WWE:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The field for the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MITB?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MITB</a> Ladder Match is now set! WWE Women’s Tag Team Champion <a href="https://twitter.com/TaminaSnuka?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TaminaSnuka</a> will take part in the action this Sunday!<br><br>�� <a href="https://t.co/2c4ZQANWpm">https://t.co/2c4ZQANWpm</a> <a href="https://t.co/xsaV4BmUri">pic.twitter.com/xsaV4BmUri</a></p>&mdash; WWE (@WWE) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE/status/1415785198357254145?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 15, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[screech]

Admittedly I've only watched SD since Mania so I have no idea what's happening on RAW or NXT right now. But who besides Asuka could believably win that?

[screech]

I guess it doesn't have to be believable. But a lot of times with these matches I think "there's no way this person is winning."

With that lineup I can say that about almost all of them lol

[DAMN iNATOR]

Admittedly I've only watched SD since Mania so I have no idea what's happening on RAW or NXT right now. But who besides Asuka could believably win that?

Carmella, Liv Morgan, Alexa, Nikki A.S.H. ("Almost a Super Hero"...yeah, I don't know why they're doing the gimmick either but she's been on a win streak for a while now, so...).

[Evil Vito]

Given her gimmick, Alexa Bliss should be able to hypnotize everyone and win the match effortlessly but that won’t happen because reasons.

[slik]

First look at new SD set, looks like it will be a big tron, ala WM35, but arena-sized


https://i.postimg.cc/43Sm1XFm/06WNSdwL.jpg

[Evil Vito]

Goldberg is now the age Terry Funk was when he was a crazy old man in 1998. Bobby Lashley is the same age Bob Backlund was when he was a crazy old man in 1995.

[slik]

I wonder what happened here

No reschedule date and Georgia is (obviously) a very good market for wrestling


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">SHOW UPDATE: <br><br>WWE Friday Night Smackdown on September 17th will no longer take place in Atlanta. Refunds are available at all points of purchase.<a href="https://t.co/MOXb9O2WeX">https://t.co/MOXb9O2WeX</a> <a href="https://t.co/kXqdKTfrnz">pic.twitter.com/kXqdKTfrnz</a></p>&mdash; State Farm Arena (@StateFarmArena) <a href="https://twitter.com/StateFarmArena/status/1416021257829617664?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 16, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[slik]

USA Network...hmmm

Chucky going to do some promo work on RAW perhaps?


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Halloween Season is going to be very, very special this year. CHUCKY premieres on October 12! <a href="https://t.co/RSvPC4LLHv">pic.twitter.com/RSvPC4LLHv</a></p>&mdash; John Squires (@FreddyInSpace) <a href="https://twitter.com/FreddyInSpace/status/1416041439298035717?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 16, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[slik]

RAW being down 35% overall and 44% in 18-49 *should* be alarming to WWE...


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Covid isn't completely gone but the lack of wrestling events with live audiences seems to come to an end tonight with WWE Smackdown before ~14,000 tonight in Houston.<br><br>Thanks for supporting <a href="https://twitter.com/wrestlenomics?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@wrestlenomics</a> these last 17 months. Here's how viewership trends have been: <a href="https://t.co/gGk6MaUIuw">pic.twitter.com/gGk6MaUIuw</a></p>&mdash; Brandon Thurston (@BrandonThurston) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrandonThurston/status/1416053902051618817?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 16, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[erickman]

I wonder what happened here

No reschedule date and Georgia is (obviously) a very good market for wrestling


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">SHOW UPDATE: <br><br>WWE Friday Night Smackdown on September 17th will no longer take place in Atlanta. Refunds are available at all points of purchase.<a href="https://t.co/MOXb9O2WeX">https://t.co/MOXb9O2WeX</a> <a href="https://t.co/kXqdKTfrnz">pic.twitter.com/kXqdKTfrnz</a></p>&mdash; State Farm Arena (@StateFarmArena) <a href="https://twitter.com/StateFarmArena/status/1416021257829617664?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 16, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

can't even sell out smackdown in atlanta that is bad

[screech]

Given her gimmick, Alexa Bliss should be able to hypnotize everyone and win the match effortlessly but that won’t happen because reasons.

I can get behind this idea

[XL]

Wrestling Twitter: talk themselves into the final MITB participant being Becky, Sasha, or Sonya

WWE:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The field for the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MITB?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MITB</a> Ladder Match is now set! WWE Women’s Tag Team Champion <a href="https://twitter.com/TaminaSnuka?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TaminaSnuka</a> will take part in the action this Sunday!<br><br>�� <a href="https://t.co/2c4ZQANWpm">https://t.co/2c4ZQANWpm</a> <a href="https://t.co/xsaV4BmUri">pic.twitter.com/xsaV4BmUri</a></p>&mdash; WWE (@WWE) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE/status/1415785198357254145?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 15, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
:rofl:

[XL]

First look at new SD set, looks like it will be a big tron, ala WM35, but arena-sized


https://i.postimg.cc/43Sm1XFm/06WNSdwL.jpg

Looking really basic from this.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Report: WWE 'Discussed An Idea' To Have The Rock Work A Tag Team Match At WrestleMania 38 <a href="https://t.co/foRYyL3b0D">https://t.co/foRYyL3b0D</a></p>&mdash; Fightful Wrestling (@Fightful) <a href="https://twitter.com/Fightful/status/1416023069752139785?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 16, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[drave]

Only if it starts as a promo, or 1v1 match, and Teddy Long comes down to holla at the playas.

[Evil Vito]

Yesterday marked exactly 20 years since this promo aired

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[Sepholio]

lmao wtf that was incredible

[Triple A]

https://i.imgur.com/PD9l7mP.jpg

[Bad News Gertner]

Playboy Buddy Rose all day

https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/postandcourier.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/2/a7/2a7c7f26-413f-11eb-8d13-9b11f550f28a/5fdcbfcaa0d91.image.jpg

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hearing tonight’s SmackDown will be <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/2Sweet?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#2Sweet</a> &amp; <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/4Everyone?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#4Everyone</a> ��❌❌❌</p>&mdash; WrestleVotes (@WrestleVotes) <a href="https://twitter.com/WrestleVotes/status/1416097178330742785?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 16, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Sepholio]

Maybe if they started a new nWo it might matter but a one off appearance by the bad guys isn't gonna do much.

[slik]

That tweet isn't about the nWo

[drave]

Playboy Buddy Rose all day

https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/postandcourier.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/2/a7/2a7c7f26-413f-11eb-8d13-9b11f550f28a/5fdcbfcaa0d91.image.jpg




He looks so much like Louie Anderson with long hair :lol:

[Sepholio]

That tweet isn't about the nWo

Are you sure? Because WWE just got done celebrating nWo week (25th anniversary of the factions founding) a couple days ago and it seems like having Hogan/Hall/Nash show up on the first live SD to coincide with that would be something they would do.

[Bad News Gertner]

He looks so much like Louie Anderson with long hair :lol:

Lol he really does

[slik]

Are you sure? Because WWE just got done celebrating nWo week (25th anniversary of the factions founding) a couple days ago and it seems like having Hogan/Hall/Nash show up on the first live SD to coincide with that would be something they would do.

https://64.media.tumblr.com/cbdcad933c8451f814f141bbf93cf90f/tumblr_ot3ly5srql1ver65co1_500.gifv

https://theovertimer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Finn-Balor-WWE-NXT-TakeOver-Stand-Deliver-April-2021.jpg

[slik]

It wouldn't shock me if Cena showed up tbh

If he's not there tonight, he'll be at either MITB or next week's show to start his SummerFest program I'd imagine

[slik]

plz donut encourage 'what' chants....


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We ��������?! Can't wait ��������?! to see you ��������?! TONIGHT! ��������?! WWE Universe!!<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SmackDown?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SmackDown</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/tiktok_us?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@tiktok_us</a> <a href="https://t.co/HfHgn7AhMm">pic.twitter.com/HfHgn7AhMm</a></p>&mdash; WWE (@WWE) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE/status/1416110444775870471?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 16, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Evil Vito]

lol maybe it's one of those parental ploys where they pretend to like it so that their kids will stop doing it because they assume if their parents like it it must be lame

[drave]

What?

[Sepholio]

Hope it works then because the what chants have really overstayed their welcome. They should be used whenever some annoying heel is cutting a long winded promo or something, not for literally every single time someone speaks. Mad annoying.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Well, this Cameo from Virgil is…interesting. <a href="https://t.co/o7tP8GPZNo">pic.twitter.com/o7tP8GPZNo</a></p>&mdash; Gary Cassidy (@WrestlingGary) <a href="https://twitter.com/WrestlingGary/status/1416165992275791874?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 16, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Bad News Gertner]

Fucking amazing

[Damian Rey 2.0]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Well, this Cameo from Virgil is…interesting. <a href="https://t.co/o7tP8GPZNo">pic.twitter.com/o7tP8GPZNo</a></p>&mdash; Gary Cassidy (@WrestlingGary) <a href="https://twitter.com/WrestlingGary/status/1416165992275791874?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 16, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This video plays even better when you play Virgil’s theme in the background

[slik]

I wonder what happened here

No reschedule date and Georgia is (obviously) a very good market for wrestling


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">SHOW UPDATE: <br><br>WWE Friday Night Smackdown on September 17th will no longer take place in Atlanta. Refunds are available at all points of purchase.<a href="https://t.co/MOXb9O2WeX">https://t.co/MOXb9O2WeX</a> <a href="https://t.co/kXqdKTfrnz">pic.twitter.com/kXqdKTfrnz</a></p>&mdash; State Farm Arena (@StateFarmArena) <a href="https://twitter.com/StateFarmArena/status/1416021257829617664?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 16, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WWE cancels August 8 Gainesville, Florida, house show <a href="https://t.co/Xh60umt4bl">https://t.co/Xh60umt4bl</a> <a href="https://t.co/KDzDkBHgAE">pic.twitter.com/KDzDkBHgAE</a></p>&mdash; Wrestling Observer (@WONF4W) <a href="https://twitter.com/WONF4W/status/1416228926456623108?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 17, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[fundiddle]

i always play virgil's theme when fucking face, you kiddin' me, bro?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Davey Boy Jr. wrestled a dark match at Smackdown last night. That is… surprising.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It's a dark match, at least post facts <a href="https://t.co/AUm2dHCIPs">pic.twitter.com/AUm2dHCIPs</a></p>&mdash; �������������� ��█☠️ (@SJOBrien8906) <a href="https://twitter.com/SJOBrien8906/status/1416223939680952320?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 17, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

LOL wrestling fans’ brains are so broken

[Supreme Olajuwon]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Looks pretty full when Balor came out? Explain? <a href="https://t.co/5Ywdx8Kzua">pic.twitter.com/5Ywdx8Kzua</a></p>&mdash; �������������� ��█☠️ (@SJOBrien8906) <a href="https://twitter.com/SJOBrien8906/status/1416224233588289541?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 17, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This guy is so furious at a perceived slight of his preferred wrestling company that he missed the point entirely.

Maybe watching all those unprotected chair shots broke our brains too.

[slik]

SD had 1.881 million viewers, to top the week as the most watched wrestling program.


SD got a 300k increase for the return of live fans


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">SmackDown Ratings: 0.6 (1st) in the demo, 2.18 Million viewers<a href="https://t.co/GBhlJw98YA">https://t.co/GBhlJw98YA</a></p>&mdash; SoDuTw (@SoDuTw) <a href="https://twitter.com/SoDuTw/status/1416428478304591882?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 17, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">That didn’t take long. Following the success of a sell out show last night for Smackdown, WWE is returning to the Toyota Center in Houston, Texas for Raw on October 25th. There is a presale going on right now. <a href="https://t.co/6bPk5j7e45">pic.twitter.com/6bPk5j7e45</a></p>&mdash; WrestleTix (@WrestleTix) <a href="https://twitter.com/WrestleTix/status/1416497421945917440?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 17, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[xrodmuc316]

Why hasn't Tony Khan ever got a pop like this???

1lB7_VSqyF8

[Jordan]

If Tony Khan and Vince McMahon were cell mates Tony would absolutely get stretched.

[slik]

wrestlinginc reports hulu contract is ending soon for WWE, I bet Peacock gives them more $ to start airing the RAW/SD replays

[Jordan]

That would make the most sense.

[xrodmuc316]

That is interesting. Hulu became Disney majority owned when they acquired most of Fox, but Comcast/NBC still hold a 33% stake with a sale agreement in place for 2024 to Disney.

For now though, they would be bidding against themselves and Disney. It certainly would make sense to keep it with Hulu for another 3 years and have Disney pay for 2/3rds of the cost without driving the cost up.

Wonder if Fox would be cool with their show being available on a competitors platform 24 hours later. At least with Hulu there is the perception that it is Fox's streaming platform since that is where Fox/FX shows stream.

Sounds like no matter what Vince is going to make even more money.

[drave]

the 90 minute action-packed Hulu edition of RAW was great when I watched weekly. Cut out a lot of the BS.


I cannot recall the last time I actually watched any WWE programming on Hulu.

[Gerard]

If Tony Khan and Vince McMahon were cell mates Tony would absolutely get stretched.

His arsehole sure would.

[Lock Jaw]

TIL Kevin Dunn was actually the director of the Catwoman movie

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[screech]

wrestlinginc reports hulu contract is ending soon for WWE, I bet Peacock gives them more $ to start airing the RAW/SD replays

the 90 minute action-packed Hulu edition of RAW was great when I watched weekly. Cut out a lot of the BS.

Would Peacock also do 90-minute cuts of RAW or just full replays? Watching RAW in 90 minutes instead of 3 hours without having to skip commercials is the best way to do it.

[Gerard]

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Holy fuck :eek::eek:

[Bad News Gertner]

There needs to be a comp done of Vince calling black baby face squash matches lol

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Vince McMahon always was living his best life when he would announce JYD squashes....especially the postmatch <a href="https://t.co/bkZS12BKTM">pic.twitter.com/bkZS12BKTM</a></p>&mdash; Kris Zellner (@KrisZellner) <a href="https://twitter.com/KrisZellner/status/1417141573515685893?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 19, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Lock Jaw]

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Nice @ the very practical hurricanrana in a real world fight situation at the end

[Fignuts]

Would Peacock also do 90-minute cuts of RAW or just full replays? Watching RAW in 90 minutes instead of 3 hours without having to skip commercials is the best way to do it.

If it makes sense, then peacock won't do it.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It’s no secret that Rick Rubin is a huge pro-wrestling fan, but I loved how passionate he sounded when talking about it on today’s episode of the Marc Maron podcast… <a href="https://t.co/OzNfeApHHc">pic.twitter.com/OzNfeApHHc</a></p>&mdash; dopper (@dopper6) <a href="https://twitter.com/dopper6/status/1417158448316403712?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 19, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“In fact, *35% of all young people in America*, 18-34, are proud to call themselves pro wrestling fans. And they’re a dual audience—60% men, 40% women—more like the Olympics than any other sport.”<br><br>WWF going hard for sponsors in the Dec. 24, 1984 issue of Television/Radio Age. <a href="https://t.co/YQQp1gthPr">pic.twitter.com/YQQp1gthPr</a></p>&mdash; David Bixenspan (@davidbix) <a href="https://twitter.com/davidbix/status/1417331586668933127?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 20, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is interesting: In this ad in the November 9, 1987 issue of Television/Radio Age, the WWF, in laying out their cumulative ratings (especially in P12-34 and M18-49), stresses their lower price point compared to other TV shows with comparable viewership.<br><br>That said: 70m?!?!? <a href="https://t.co/c6WtavDFzT">pic.twitter.com/c6WtavDFzT</a></p>&mdash; David Bixenspan (@davidbix) <a href="https://twitter.com/davidbix/status/1417327732694953985?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 20, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[slik]

A certain Tuesday night wrestling program is not in the top 30 trends on Twitter while it is airing, possibly a big after effect of that 2 minute Karrion Kross job on Monday

edit: 90 minutes into the show it made it into the top 30 trends

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I can’t see how anyone could stay invested in nxt when they’ve botched nearly every call up they’ve had.

[xrodmuc316]

I can’t see how anyone could stay invested in nxt when they’ve botched nearly every call up they’ve had.

If you go back to maybe 2017 or 2018 I made a post during Black's NXT title reign, and I remember posting something about how he should feel special, but knowing once he is called up they will waste him, that it was hard to get super invested in him.

It made it easier to enjoy NXT for what it is, but not having the expectations that anything in NXT will matter outside of NXT, is still a downer hanging over anything really fun NXT is doing.

The Way is currently great, the whole gimmick that Austin and Indi are their kids, and always doing stuff that makes the parents mad is funny as hell.

If they got moved to Smackdown, that would all gone, and they would be boring tag teams on Main Event. Its no wonder guys like.Gargano and Ciampa would rather stay in NXT.

[Bad News Gertner]

Was watching an old episode of the X Files and who did I see: Rob Van Dam lol

Had no idea he was on an episode. He played a wrestler (not as himself)

https://cheappopculture.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/img_4982.jpg

[Evil Vito]

WWE has filed a new trademark.

On July 16, WWE filed a trademark on " Complaining Is Not Conversation" relating to entertainment services.

LMAO what did the internet do to these people?

[#1-norm-fan]

Lol This is such an awkward, insecure company.

[Big Vic]

.......................I....................I don't...............

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Uhhhhh what?

[Lock Jaw]

Tbh a Right to Censor type parody gimmick of internet fans would be pretty good right now

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I’m surprised we haven’t gotten a Jim Cornett parody gimmick yet. Especially in AEW.

[Bad News Gertner]

Probably don't want to get sued

[#1-norm-fan]

Tbh a Right to Censor type parody gimmick of internet fans would be pretty good right now

They kinda did that in the early 90s.

His name was Jameson.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Probably don't want to get sued

You can’t get sued for parody. Didn’t WCW try to sue over the BWO and it got dropped for that reason?

[Evil Vito]

WWE are allowing Steve Corino to come out of retirement to face his son Colby at an indy show in August. Pretty cool.

[#1-norm-fan]

You can’t get sued for parody. Didn’t WCW try to sue over the BWO and it got dropped for that reason?

They’d be fine unless they fucked up and used his name or his image. I think Gertner was just subtly referencing the fear of the ruthless nature of Stephen P. New. You gotta be careful when you fuck with Stephen P. New.

[Bad News Gertner]

Exactly. Cornette is very quick to file a lawsuit. He lost the G Raver one due to parody. It's not worth the headache to AEW for a couple laughs

[BigCrippyZ]

They’d be fine unless they fucked up and used his name or his image. I think Gertner was just subtly referencing the fear of the ruthless nature of Stephen P. New. You gotta be careful when you fuck with Stephen P. New.

Likeness as well, which can include similar depictions or parodies of one's voice, speech pattern, clothing or attire, looks, or combos of them, that a person is known for or recognized by.

[Bad News Gertner]

If they were to slip up, Cornette would be all over them

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I would personally love for them to being in a manager that is Cornett like, shitting on the company and backing a WWE style guy.

Imagine bringing in Braun and having Dan Lambert manage him and cut more awesome promos.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just saw the best picture ever. <a href="https://t.co/69xne0Csyz">pic.twitter.com/69xne0Csyz</a></p>&mdash; Sterling Richards (@RRSterling) <a href="https://twitter.com/RRSterling/status/1417934045233782788?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 21, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Bad News Gertner]

Love that so much

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lol, just listened to the Drive-Thru? Is Meltzer really comparing Cornette’s criticism of AEW “hate speech?” Holy shit.

[Bad News Gertner]

I didn't notice anything on Dave's twitter?

[Mr. Nerfect]

I didn't notice anything on Dave's twitter?

I think Cornette was reading from the actual Observer newsletter. Absolutely amazing story.

[Bad News Gertner]

Lol fuck, now I'll have to listen to the Drive Thru. I usually don't listen to the shows where he's reviewing a WWE/AEW event. Can only take so much "old man yells at cloud"

[fundiddle]

making a lot of solid points about illogical shit in a funny way is not akin to verbally abusing a cumulus

[Bad News Gertner]

I don't watch current wrestling so I'm not defending it, but Cornette has gotten beyond ridiculous. If you don't like it, don't fucking watch. It's like the people who complain about Raw for years and years yet they still watch.

[fundiddle]

are you being serious? sorry i don't follow your gimmick


he's providing content for people that want to hear him talk about it, it's often painful for him but i assure you, it is nothing like the people who complain about raw for years and years yet they still watch. jim doesn't even watch raw, but that's beside the point. listening to jim tear shit apart and give things their fare due when it's apparent something is done in a way he thinks it should be is pure entertainment, and beats the hell out of reading some vanilla review on wrestlinginc or some shit. i often wouldn't know what the dynamite results were if not for the drive thru, i like to stay abreast

[Evil Vito]

Velveteen Dream was announced for his first indy booking with New Jersey-based promotion SWF on September 11. The announcement faced so much backlash that his appearance was cancelled in under two hours.

[Bad News Gertner]

are you being serious? sorry i don't follow your gimmick


he's providing content for people that want to hear him talk about it, it's often painful for him but i assure you, it is nothing like the people who complain about raw for years and years yet they still watch. jim doesn't even watch raw, but that's beside the point. listening to jim tear shit apart and give things their fare due when it's apparent something is done in a way he thinks it should be is pure entertainment, and beats the hell out of reading some vanilla review on wrestlinginc or some shit. i often wouldn't know what the dynamite results were if not for the drive thru, i like to stay abreast


He's definitely giving his audience what they want by hate watching current wrestling. It's just become tiresome. The show is much better when he's talking old wrestling instead of bitching about Kenny Omega for the 1000th time, or being delusional about how much of a success AEW has become. Wrestling evolves and Jim has been a miserable failure every time he's involved in a creative job. People bitched when Stevens and Patterson came around and when the Rock & Roll came around and when the Hardy Boyz came around that they were all too "spotty". So ridiculous. Brian is WAY more level headed than Jim

[Triple A]

NXT Champion Karrion Kross walked out to a live crowd at last night’s NXT tapings for the first time since his shocking defeat at the hands of Jeff Hardy this past Monday on RAW.

The reaction from the crowd went about as well as you would expect.

According to multiple sources I spoke to that were in attendance at the Capitol Wrestling Center for last night’s set of NXT tapings, Kross was showered with chants of “Hardy” from the moment he entered the arena. The segment, which saw the NXT Champ cutting a promo on Samoa Joe before escaping the ring as Joe made a run-in, was so taken over by the “Hardy” Chants that NXT had to reshoot the entire segment at the end of the night.

https://www.bodyslam.net/2021/07/22/nxt-re-shoots-karrion-kross-segment-at-wednesdays-tapings-due-to-chants-of-hardy-from-crowd/

Smart of WWE to have the "bad ass" NXT Champion lose in less than 2 mins to Jeff Hardy while he's doing a program with Samoa Joe

[Vastardikai]

Why are all these folks being salty about a guy who is just about as his ceiling as a talent? He looks like a shitty CAW. He doesn't have much in the way of personality other than Angry Face. All of his charisma is stored in his wife. By himself, there isn't much there.

That said, this program just started. At least give it another week. For all we know, he's gonna come in and destroy Jeff Hardy. To set up the match. He's not going to get buried on the Main Roster until his wife debuts.

[Sepholio]

Yeah I'm betting he ends up murdering Hardy. It was a quick roll up with Jeffs legs on the topes. Not like it was a clean or a squash lol. Considering that Jeff used the ole dirty tricks to win the match I would bet he ends up costing Kross the title in his next defense and then Kross goes up to RAW to feud with him.

[Bad News Gertner]

ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN IN THE WORLD WRESTLING FEDERATION!!!

[Sepholio]

He did not look big next to Jeff though which makes me rethink my prior stance on him being a hoss. Jeff is an inch taller than me and I'm 5 lbs heavier but I ain't no hoss. Kross was clearly bigger...but barely. Makes me think they lie about his height/weight.

Curious to see Kross stand next to Drew or Bobby though for comparison sake because he should be similar size to them if the numbers listed are legit.

[slik]

Rock vs Roman is the plan for WM per Andrew Zarian of the Mat Men Podcast. Rock is also expected to be at Survivor Series.

[Mr. Nerfect]

He's definitely giving his audience what they want by hate watching current wrestling. It's just become tiresome. The show is much better when he's talking old wrestling instead of bitching about Kenny Omega for the 1000th time, or being delusional about how much of a success AEW has become. Wrestling evolves and Jim has been a miserable failure every time he's involved in a creative job. People bitched when Stevens and Patterson came around and when the Rock & Roll came around and when the Hardy Boyz came around that they were all too "spotty". So ridiculous. Brian is WAY more level headed than Jim

I think that’s why he puts it at the end of his show. You can listen to the rest of the podcast and then just switch it off when it comes to that review portion. Sometimes I am in the mood for it, other times I am not. I wouldn’t care if he stopped doing them, because I think he props them up more than anything.

I just cannot buy the “wrestling changes” excuse though. None of that is a lie, but it doesn’t mean that change is inherently good. Patterson & Stevens being different doesn’t mean that The Young Bucks are good. And AEW’s success is all relative.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Why are all these folks being salty about a guy who is just about as his ceiling as a talent? He looks like a shitty CAW. He doesn't have much in the way of personality other than Angry Face. All of his charisma is stored in his wife. By himself, there isn't much there.

That said, this program just started. At least give it another week. For all we know, he's gonna come in and destroy Jeff Hardy. To set up the match. He's not going to get buried on the Main Roster until his wife debuts.

Bingo.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I saw someone whining about Keith Lee losing to Bobby Lashley too. They said “that could have been someone else.” But then that person would have whinged about that person losing too. Not everybody can be a giant mega-star. Not everybody should be undefeated and kicking everybody’s ass. Not everybody can do that.

Is there a problem between the synergy of WWE and NXT? Probably. You hear lots of people cry about how NXT can’t keep them because WWE does something different with the talent. I’m not 100% sure WWE booking things the same helps out those shows either though. A big problem with NXT, in my opinion, is that you’ve already seen it. I don’t think the WWE WANTS there to be similarities between Raw and NXT. That may actually be the wiser strategy. I dunno, I kind of just wish NXT didn’t exist as it does so guys can debut completely fresh.

[Bad News Gertner]

I think that’s why he puts it at the end of his show. You can listen to the rest of the podcast and then just switch it off when it comes to that review portion. Sometimes I am in the mood for it, other times I am not. I wouldn’t care if he stopped doing them, because I think he props them up more than anything.

I just cannot buy the “wrestling changes” excuse though. None of that is a lie, but it doesn’t mean that change is inherently good. Patterson & Stevens being different doesn’t mean that The Young Bucks are good. And AEW’s success is all relative.

I wish he'd time stamp it.

And in ring wrestling is all subjective. I have a mostly terrible taste in wrestling. Can't argue with the financial success they've become as much as it's "not my cup of tea".

[#1-norm-fan]

The thing where Brian Last reads the card of an old wrestling show and Jim tries to guess the year and location is fun. I enjoy playing along.

[Bad News Gertner]

I love that! I've only gotten a couple right but it's still fun as hell

[#1-norm-fan]

I’d like to do something similar here but everyone would just be dirty cheaters.

[slik]

Stage of venue set to co-host SD on Friday


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ummm part of the stage set to host Rolling Loud has collapsed in Miami Gardens. The festival was set to begin tomorrow <a href="https://t.co/dYE6eGuOoi">pic.twitter.com/dYE6eGuOoi</a></p>&mdash; philip lewis (@Phil_Lewis_) <a href="https://twitter.com/Phil_Lewis_/status/1418329325905096708?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In case you see it on the news, a screen fell down at one of our stages. Nobody was hurt and it will be fixed before doors open tomorrow. The show goes on!</p>&mdash; Rolling Loud (@RollingLoud) <a href="https://twitter.com/RollingLoud/status/1418327764751486983?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 22, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Mr. Nerfect]

I wish he'd time stamp it.

And in ring wrestling is all subjective. I have a mostly terrible taste in wrestling. Can't argue with the financial success they've become as much as it's "not my cup of tea".

I’m really surprised they haven’t time-stamped that show yet. It’s usually always at the end though.

I dunno man, their financial situation is largely a bought position. Shad Khan has literally said that he has given his son money to burn. They got their TV slot without producing any content first. Their TV deals are either a glass half-full or half-empty thing depending on how you look at it. Is $45 million a lot of money? For you and me, sure. For a TV show? Not at all. I’m just not impressed by anything they’ve “achieved.” They postured their way onto basic cable and are barely doing alright in terms of overall viewership. Their demo is good, but advertisers moved past that specific analytic ages ago, plus they are wrestling fans.

You can see them getting 1 million on Wednesdays as this amazing number, especially when compared to NXT, or you can see it as underwhelming as shit. Especially when compared to Monday Night Raw.

Plus, we know they are running at a loss now, which might not always be the case, but it depends on how their video games do and whether or not they see returns on their programming. But even if they don’t, they won’t go away, because the Khans will keep them up and running. So their scope just doesn’t impress me.

They’re finally doing what I thought they should have done at the start. But I’m not going to watch a show that poorly books Bryan Danielson and Christian Cage and have to wade through Joey Janela and The Young Bucks to do it.

[Bad News Gertner]

It's alot for a company not named the WWE. There have been quite a few start ups with money behind it that failed miserably. AEW had the benefit of having a built in niche audience to begin with. The Big issue still going forward is brand recognition. WWE has a MASSIVE edge.

[Lock Jaw]

He's tall and all, but not sure if I'd call him MASSIVE

[Vastardikai]

He's tall and all, but not sure if I'd call him MASSIVE

Impact has the MASSIVE Edge. He used to be called Big Cass. He is now known as W. Morrisey.

[XL]

I saw someone whining about Keith Lee losing to Bobby Lashley too. They said “that could have been someone else.” But then that person would have whinged about that person losing too. Not everybody can be a giant mega-star. Not everybody should be undefeated and kicking everybody’s ass. Not everybody can do that.

Is there a problem between the synergy of WWE and NXT? Probably. You hear lots of people cry about how NXT can’t keep them because WWE does something different with the talent. I’m not 100% sure WWE booking things the same helps out those shows either though. A big problem with NXT, in my opinion, is that you’ve already seen it. I don’t think the WWE WANTS there to be similarities between Raw and NXT. That may actually be the wiser strategy. I dunno, I kind of just wish NXT didn’t exist as it does so guys can debut completely fresh.

This has been a problem for the longest time, I think I used Bailey as an example years ago; on NXT you saw her full story told. You saw her grow as a performer and a personality and people “fell in love” with her. She either debuts on the main roster as a finished article or you tell the same story again. The former is less compelling, the latter an issue for the audience that watch both shows.

[Big Vic]

Remember when Charolette Flair (kayfabe) made fun of Bailey for being a wrestling fan.... lol dumb company.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It's alot for a company not named the WWE. There have been quite a few start ups with money behind it that failed miserably. AEW had the benefit of having a built in niche audience to begin with. The Big issue still going forward is brand recognition. WWE has a MASSIVE edge.

I’ve never been with you on the brand recognition thing myself. I mean, I see the point and it’s salient, but I just don’t see the marketplace as being so locked off by WWE’s presence. A lot of people I know would still call it the WWF. The difference between AEW and other start-ups is the sheer amount of capital. I don’t think there has ever been a more expensive start-up promotion in history.

When you’ve got a certain amount of money, and you’re guaranteed access to at least some of the stars, you’re going to hit a base level of popularity. That’s where AEW is, in my opinion. This is what that money buys you. They haven’t built on that (yet), and it isn’t something earned. It’s been bought.

Which is fine. That’s the best approach to doing this. But it’s just annoying people saying stuff like “Wow! It’s only been 2 years and they’re already doing (x)!” Yeah, no shit. The Khans have enough money to buy their own cable network and put on free shows in arenas until the end of everyone here’s natural life. This isn’t some grassroots promotion that needed to grow an audience and mind their P’s and Q’s.

They should be bigger, in my opinion. And I consider that a reflection on their so-so business practices and lack of promotion, and their actual quality.

[Mr. Nerfect]

If AEW had happened another way. Or another billionaire comes along — I guarantee that version of AEW could be both bigger and better than AEW. Not as big as WWE (to your point), but maybe more popular in terms of weekly viewership.

[Bad News Gertner]

I remember Howard Stern's reaction to TNA when it first came up on the show and it was the same reaction that I've heard from a lot of casuals: that if it's not the WWE then it must be minor league and if they were good they'd be wrestling for the WWE.

Remember all the reaction from all the Ex Wrestling fans on Twitter when Jericho showed up fat and looking like shit. "Wow, he must be down in the dumps, and not even with the WWE anymore"

[Mr. Nerfect]

I remember Howard Stern's reaction to TNA when it first came up on the show and it was the same reaction that I've heard from a lot of casuals: that if it's not the WWE then it must be minor league and if they were good they'd be wrestling for the WWE.

Remember all the reaction from all the Ex Wrestling fans on Twitter when Jericho showed up fat and looking like shit. "Wow, he must be down in the dumps, and not even with the WWE anymore"

Yeah, that’s valid, hahaha. And that’s a citable source right there. And look, you’ve been demonstrable correct when you talk about how the audience is so big and not getting any bigger between Dynamite and NXT. You’re probably right and I’m just not seeing it.

It might even be an NA vs. Australia thing and I don’t fully appreciate the power of the branding. I sometimes wonder if ex-fans think in terms of promotion and just think “wrestling.” Like, are there casual fans out there that have no idea that Steve Austin vs. Hulk Hogan never happened? Or Austin vs. Goldberg never happened. And do they just think The Rock, Austin, Hogan and Goldberg were all hanging around each other every week in “the wrestling.”

But I don’t think it’s impossible for a wrestling promotion to just come along and be a massive hit with “the kids.” I just can’t see it being AEW. But they could have done it with their resources.

Chris Jericho looking like shit is an entirely separate issue to me, haha. But it was really telling to hear the almost universal response of “He looks like shit”/“This is knock-off WWE.”

Yeah, I guess you have a point, haha.

[#1-norm-fan]

I remember Howard Stern's reaction to TNA when it first came up on the show and it was the same reaction that I've heard from a lot of casuals: that if it's not the WWE then it must be minor league and if they were good they'd be wrestling for the WWE

I think they were talking about Goldust who caught Howard’s attention during the tourettes gimmick. He’d gone to TNA and Howard asked what that was and she said something along the lines of “I think he’s wrestling in backyards now.” And Robin used to actually watch wrestling in the early 90s.

WWE ate up all the competition and has become synonymous with wrestling. And most people find WWE to be shitty fake fighting for dumb rednecks and their kids. Which means that’s how they see wrestling. Some OTHER wrestling company they’ve never heard of must be even WORSE. That’s an uphill battle.

[Mr. Nerfect]

That doesn’t make proving them right a good idea though.

[#1-norm-fan]

No. And I don’t think anyone is gonna argue that AEW couldn’t be bigger or better. I’m backing up Gertner’s statement that WWE has a stranglehold on the word “wrestling” in most people’s minds and changing that is a tall order.

That’s the whole reason I was surprised that they even beat NXT in a ratings “war” after WWE spent months using Raw, Smackdown and a major PPV to promote it as an “equal” brand.

[Bad News Gertner]

I think they were talking about Goldust who caught Howard’s attention during the tourettes gimmick. He’d gone to TNA and Howard asked what that was and she said something along the lines of “I think he’s wrestling in backyards now.” And Robin used to actually watch wrestling in the early 90s.



That's what it was. Good memory.

[Mr. Nerfect]

No. And I don’t think anyone is gonna argue that AEW couldn’t be bigger or better. I’m backing up Gertner’s statement that WWE has a stranglehold on the word “wrestling” in most people’s minds and changing that is a tall order.

That’s the whole reason I was surprised that they even beat NXT in a ratings “war” after WWE spent months using Raw, Smackdown and a major PPV to promote it as an “equal” brand.

People do argue that all the time. They’re in love with this thing. And there’s nothing wrong with that, but it’s nice to keep some perspective. I’m saying that if you did want to take a bigger slice of the marketplace, being something that doesn’t immediately make ex-fans roll their eyes is probably a good start.

AEW beating NXT wasn’t surprising at all. They had the fresh advantage. The “war” was mistakenly read by people as WWE trying to crush AEW out the gate with sheer shock and awe, which is obviously not what they were trying to do. This is when I started getting called a cocksucker and a Vince apologist for daring to point out that they could be doing so much more to stamp out AEW. It was a very, very soft approach.

I’m surprised NXT didn’t turn it around on them. It was about the time Scarlett came in and was boring and a far cry from the spark of life she could have been for that show that I realized WWE doesn’t give two shits about them.

And now they’re beating the champs of the show barely losing the closest race in wrestling and no longer acknowledging those belts. I don’t think that route is the smartest. I don’t see why they just don’t make NXT good, and do their best to make Raw better. But they want to have their cake and eat it too, I guess — which is having an “evergreen” product that doesn’t rely on fair weather. A little bit of excitement wouldn’t hurt them at all.

[xrodmuc316]

NXT got on the air because USA wanted to replace the 2 hours they lost to Fox (NXT is now on during Smackdown Live's Tuesday spot). Considering NXT cost USA 5 time less than Smackdown would have, it is a good deal for USA.

Vince agreed to $40 million for NXT because he why wouldn't he.

Timing wise it's a great rallying cry for AEW, that bad WWE was only trying to hurt us, but in reality that was just a byproduct of timing, USA losing Smackdown, and Vince wanting to make money.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I met health Slater. I didnt charge him for a photo OP, since he has kids to feed <a href="https://t.co/DpoaTtgj90">pic.twitter.com/DpoaTtgj90</a></p>&mdash; Missy Hyatt (@missyhyatt) <a href="https://twitter.com/missyhyatt/status/1418692781585883139?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 23, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Fignuts]

Hyatt's hand looks gigantic and gangly.

Hellish.

[slik]

Did not notice that before but will always notice now


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Got my photo with magnum ta. I had him autograph me a wwe legends figure in nyc <a href="https://twitter.com/wrestlecon?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@wrestlecon</a> in 2019 that's in at my home office <a href="https://t.co/6I0VUJAlX8">pic.twitter.com/6I0VUJAlX8</a></p>&mdash; Missy Hyatt (@missyhyatt) <a href="https://twitter.com/missyhyatt/status/1418972977522151424?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 24, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Saw mr Hughes today. Trainer of one of my favorite aaa luchadors in pagano. <a href="https://t.co/JvmXVGE2tk">pic.twitter.com/JvmXVGE2tk</a></p>&mdash; Missy Hyatt (@missyhyatt) <a href="https://twitter.com/missyhyatt/status/1418691711547682823?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 23, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Gertner, you should suggest a good rasslin book to Missy, she tweets about reading rasslin books a lot

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I should be done with the pat patterson book by tomorrow. Any rasslin book reccomendations?</p>&mdash; Missy Hyatt (@missyhyatt) <a href="https://twitter.com/missyhyatt/status/1415437547174498311?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 14, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[#1-norm-fan]

Zoom in on her left hand in that Mr. Hughes pic.

It appears to be webbed.

[Bad News Gertner]

Did not notice that before but will always notice now


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Got my photo with magnum ta. I had him autograph me a wwe legends figure in nyc <a href="https://twitter.com/wrestlecon?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@wrestlecon</a> in 2019 that's in at my home office <a href="https://t.co/6I0VUJAlX8">pic.twitter.com/6I0VUJAlX8</a></p>&mdash; Missy Hyatt (@missyhyatt) <a href="https://twitter.com/missyhyatt/status/1418972977522151424?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 24, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Saw mr Hughes today. Trainer of one of my favorite aaa luchadors in pagano. <a href="https://t.co/JvmXVGE2tk">pic.twitter.com/JvmXVGE2tk</a></p>&mdash; Missy Hyatt (@missyhyatt) <a href="https://twitter.com/missyhyatt/status/1418691711547682823?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 23, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Gertner, you should suggest a good rasslin book to Missy, she tweets about reading rasslin books a lot

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I should be done with the pat patterson book by tomorrow. Any rasslin book reccomendations?</p>&mdash; Missy Hyatt (@missyhyatt) <a href="https://twitter.com/missyhyatt/status/1415437547174498311?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 14, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Lol I don't have Twitter.

Tell her Bob Backlund

[Bad News Gertner]

Missy is great. She really knows her stuff.

[slik]

Olympics did a number on SD, opening ceremonies clocked in with over 17 million viewers at one point. SD had 2.04 million for the night.

[Fignuts]

Christ almighty at this finish. About 2:20 if you want to skip to it.

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Not everyone is into flippy shit, but if you're gonna do it...do it likr ricochet.

[Jordan]

Ricochet should be a main guy, he's incredible.

[slik]

I don't understand why Ricochet (and Liv Morgan) have disappeared from RAW/SD again post MITB after being big crowd favorites

It's just so counter productive

[Jordan]

Is Liv Morgan good? I have seen some guys fapping over her and stuff but is a good worker? She was in MITB wasn't she? To me she's too much like Alexa Bliss, very similar Harley Quinn type look. I think Bliss is terrible, kinda like Lana. Too fragile and hot too be a good wrestler.

[Noid]

Is Liv Morgan good? I have seen some guys fapping over her and stuff but is a good worker? She was in MITB wasn't she? To me she's too much like Alexa Bliss, very similar Harley Quinn type look. I think Bliss is terrible, kinda like Lana. Too fragile and hot too be a good wrestler.

Where's the criticism for Britt Baker? She's equally sloppy in the ring..did you see her match against Rose?

[Noid]

Kris Statlander is notorious for injuring people and still gets a pass.

[Noid]

Also Riho is so two dimension when she turns sideways, she literally becomes a line segment.

[Jordan]

Where's the criticism for Britt Baker? She's equally sloppy in the ring..did you see her match against Rose?

I didn't accuse Bliss of being sloppy I said she was fragile. She doesn't have enough physical strength to even set up a ladder in the MITB match and the way they had to protect her in her spots just made me feel like she shouldn't be there.

Baker is in my opinion the top female worker I know of right now, and yes I saw her match with Thunder Rosa it was awesome.

[Noid]

I didn't accuse Bliss of being sloppy I said she was fragile. She doesn't have enough physical strength to even set up a ladder in the MITB match and the way they had to protect her in her spots just made me feel like she shouldn't be there.

Baker is in my opinion the top female worker I know of right now, and yes I saw her match with Thunder Rosa it was awesome.

Bliss is undersized and incredibly athletic. While the dentist bimbo is grossly overrated. She has nothing to offer except for subpar character work.

[Noid]

And that match was disgustingly formulaic. Kicks out mean nothing anymore.

[Jordan]

The question was about Liv Morgan though. Is she a good worker? Toni Storm level?

[Noid]

The question was about Liv Morgan though. Is she a good worker? Toni Storm level?

Storm is clearly superior to Liv.

But I have no hesitation saying that Liv would run circles around 90% of the women on the AEW roster.

[Noid]

If Liv had an inch of creative freedom that Baker has, she'd probably achieve much more considering all the knowledge she has accumulated from her time in WWE.

[xrodmuc316]

Baker's in ring work is passable, but that's not why she outshines the majority of the AEW roster. In my opinion i'd much rather watch a Britt promo than a Young Bucks tandem gymnastics "match" routine.

[xrodmuc316]

The question was about Liv Morgan though. Is she a good worker? Toni Storm level?

Yes, Liv is good in the ring.
No, Liv is not at Toni's level.

[Noid]

Baker's in ring work is passable, but that's not why she outshines the majority of the AEW roster. In my opinion i'd much rather watch a Britt promo than a Young Bucks tandem gymnastics "match" routine.

Passable isn't good enough in today's world. We have the likes of Asuka, Flair, Storm, Baszler, Banks etc.

[Evil Vito]

Jesus fuck.....

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Matt Cardona beats Nick Gage, becomes GCW World Champion, gets absolutely peppered with beer, soda and water bottles then exits the arena with the belt.<br><br>Absolute scenes.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GCWHomecoming?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#GCWHomecoming</a> <a href="https://t.co/0JQTazpL5b">pic.twitter.com/0JQTazpL5b</a></p>&mdash; Colby F. of Fightful &amp; WrestleZone (@ColbsMMA) <a href="https://twitter.com/ColbsMMA/status/1419143232584302593?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 25, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Mr. Nerfect]

Jesus fuck.....

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Matt Cardona beats Nick Gage, becomes GCW World Champion, gets absolutely peppered with beer, soda and water bottles then exits the arena with the belt.<br><br>Absolute scenes.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GCWHomecoming?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#GCWHomecoming</a> <a href="https://t.co/0JQTazpL5b">pic.twitter.com/0JQTazpL5b</a></p>&mdash; Colby F. of Fightful &amp; WrestleZone (@ColbsMMA) <a href="https://twitter.com/ColbsMMA/status/1419143232584302593?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 25, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Sigh, wrestling sucks so bad.

I did get a laugh out of the idea of it not being an angle and the ring announcer just being deflated because it’s Zack Ryder.

[slik]

Another angle of GCW

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Bro, this shit was fucking chaos <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GCWHomecoming?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#GCWHomecoming</a>. Cardona beats Gage. New <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GCW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#GCW</a> World Champ <a href="https://t.co/Jzn9XVWiNe">pic.twitter.com/Jzn9XVWiNe</a></p>&mdash; JDfromNY (@JDfromNY206) <a href="https://twitter.com/JDfromNY206/status/1419143504811466753?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 25, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Jordan]

LOL that's awesome

[Damian Rey 2.0]

lol brilliant. How brutal was the match?

[Noid]

Do people really enjoy that garbage? Wrestling fucking sucks now.

[Lock Jaw]

Smh at the commentators dropping needless f bombs in attempt to seem "edgy" and "cool".....

[Bad News Gertner]

Fucking tremendous match.

[Vastardikai]

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/BJ3BxgxbwNc" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

A local Indy Fed's Main Event from November 8 years ago. To the untrained eye, this looks like Sam's Choice MVP vs Great Value Finn Balor. Little did the folks in attendance know, both men would end up in the WWE. Sam's Choice MVP is a WWE referee. Great Value Finn Balor is Asher Hale.

[Savio]

This is dumb


<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/PjdRtuAwyX0" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[XL]

It got a chuckle out of me but yeah it’s stupid.

[Gerard]

This is dumb


<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/PjdRtuAwyX0" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Very. :|:wtf:

[weather vane]

Sting beating his chest had me loling.

[Evil Vito]

Sting being AEW's cool dad is way better for him nowadays than trying to be some vigilante

[slik]

Sting beating his chest made me chuckle

[Damian Rey 2.0]

It was a funny spot that got over with the crowd

[XL]

“But what about the casuals!?”

[thecc]

Do people really enjoy that garbage? Wrestling fucking sucks now.touch grass dork

[slik]

Eddie Guerrero currently #2 trend on Twitter bc some guy tweeted he thought he was a B+ player and this activated rasslin twitter

[Noid]

Fuck him for slandering Eddie.

[Lock Jaw]

If AEW was any good they'd have brought in Eddie and not Chavo

[Noid]

If AEW was any good they'd have brought in Eddie and not Chavo

This attempt at humor is lazy and cringe.

[Lock Jaw]

Just imagine the reaction

Heel Rassler: "I thought you were dead!"

Eddie: "Well you see holmes..... I LIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEDDDDD!!!" *shoulder shimmy as the crowd goes banana*

[screech]

lmao

[mike adamle]

Then they could bring in Benoit to choke him out once and for all

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Just imagine the reaction

Heel Rassler: "I thought you were dead!"

Eddie: "Well you see holmes..... I LIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEDDDDD!!!" *shoulder shimmy as the crowd goes banana*

Lmaooo

[#1-norm-fan]

Thought about making a thread where we watch a year of classic wrestling TV in real-time and discuss the shows. Hopefully with minimal angry arguments comparing it to AEW. Who would join in?

[Noid]

This place lacks sophistication and class. I don't know why I come back when there are clearly superior forums where the wrestling debates mean something. All I see are a bunch of donkeys braying to a lazy joke made about a wrestler who had an untimely death. Absolutely tasteless.

[Fignuts]

Thought about making a thread where we watch a year of classic wrestling TV in real-time and discuss the shows. Hopefully with minimal angry arguments comparing it to AEW. Who would join in?

Down.

[Bad News Gertner]

In a heartbeat

[weather vane]

Prob in.

[#1-norm-fan]

I’ll start on Thursday when there’s no current wrestling on. Might start with post-Great American Bash ‘86 WCW since that’s what I’m watching right now anyway and those episodes are easy to find. If that goes well, I’ll start a second thread for WWF Primetime Wrestling from the same time period.

[slik]

https://i.postimg.cc/0256sGPB/Screenshot-2021-07-25-11-10-37-PM.png

https://www.kayfabenews.com/fan-with-replica-money-in-the-bank-briefcase-cashes-in-on-fan-with-replica-championship-belt/

[fundiddle]

man, wish i had thought of that first. would be hilarious to do that for real in a crowded corridor

Wilkinson then handed the briefcase to bystander in a striped t-shirt and demanded that he “ring the bell,” which drew blank looks of confusion until a nearby cyclist eventually ting-a-linged a bicycle bell.
lol

[#1-norm-fan]

By WWE’s shaky rules, I’m pretty sure that would count.

[#1-norm-fan]

Seth Rollins using it to cash in by making a singles match a triple threat match and pinning the challenger is still maybe my favorite example of WWE saying “Let’s just do some shit and trust our fans to not ask any questions.”

[XL]

https://i.postimg.cc/0256sGPB/Screenshot-2021-07-25-11-10-37-PM.png

https://www.kayfabenews.com/fan-with-replica-money-in-the-bank-briefcase-cashes-in-on-fan-with-replica-championship-belt/

Do I need to point out that it’s a parody website, or does that ruin the fun?

[Vastardikai]

One of my long standing jokes is that anyone who wears a replica title belt to an Indy Show should be forced to Defend it.

Also, I have had my replica briefcase used as a weapon a few times at a local indy fed.

[Savio]

Always liked the look of Sandows briefcase.



https://i.ytimg.com/vi/mpIe0CrsIBw/maxresdefault.jpg

[Lock Jaw]

Forgot he was ever MitB

[screech]

He was the first one to lose the cash-in, right?

[drave]

Yeah. and had a damn good match with Cena on Raw. After, he was never heard from again.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">SMART: <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WWE</a> is launching a scripted television series called The United States v. Vince McMahon, taking viewers through the 90s — and the feds actual attempt to nail McMahon on supplying steroids to WWE talent (He was acquitted).<br><br>Production partner on project is Blumhouse TV.</p>&mdash; Darren Rovell (@darrenrovell) <a href="https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/status/1419643947488579584?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 26, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[drave]

Feel like I've watched that 123545678654 times already

[Bad News Gertner]

Oh the yarns about to be spun

[slik]

lol

[Bad News Gertner]

Remember when Stephanie compared defeating the enemy in 9/11 to Vince defeating the government in the Steroid Trial on Smackdown.

[slik]

lol yes

A couple years ago when they were trying to shop around a Vince biopic the script ended with him deciding to create the Attitude Era immediately after and because of the steroid trial.

[slik]

I wonder if they'll spruce up the dome a little


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It’s Official: �������������� ������������������ ⚜️<br> <br>The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Saints?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Saints</a> and Caesars Entertainment (<a href="https://twitter.com/CaesarsEnt?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@CaesarsEnt</a>) announced today the formation of a 20-year, exclusive naming-rights partnership that rebrands New Orleans’ iconic downtown stadium as the Caesars Superdome! <a href="https://t.co/gYb64KgPn5">pic.twitter.com/gYb64KgPn5</a></p>&mdash; New Orleans Saints (@Saints) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saints/status/1419681162579095564?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 26, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Sepholio]

Jeff Hardy has the rona

[Lock Jaw]

Karrion Kross should take credit and change his name/gimmick to Carrier Cross, where he infects all his opponents.

[Big Vic]

Yeah. and had a damn good match with Cena on Raw. After, he was never heard from again.

I think Mizdow happened after correct? They fumbled that too.

[Fignuts]

To be fair, there was no where for that gimmick to go, after turning on miz.

[Bad News Gertner]

Yeah Mizdow happened well after

[Big Vic]

To be fair, there was no where for that gimmick to go, after turning on miz.

But the turn was horribly botched.

[fundiddle]

damien sandow for me remains one of the worst cases of blue balls in recent memory, the load just dissolved and reabsorbed into my body leaving me woozy

[Bad News Gertner]

Thought about making a thread where we watch a year of classic wrestling TV in real-time and discuss the shows. Hopefully with minimal angry arguments comparing it to AEW. Who would join in?

Pretty pumped for this

[Fignuts]

It honestly wouldn't have mattered if they had knocked it out of the park. The gimmick had a ceiling and they had already hit it.

[Bad News Gertner]

Exactly.

[Bad News Gertner]

I remember Miz beating Mizdow in Raw and it just kind of ended. Two weeks later it came out that the match on Raw was the blow off. It was a blow off that nobody knew was until two weeks later lol.

[Lock Jaw]

Sandow also wasn't actually that good

[Noid]

Damien Sandow was a B+ Elias.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

I thought Sandow as the intellectual savior was a good gimmick. He won MITB and I thought he’s gonna be decent B show heel champ on smackdown for a while. Then the wwe decided to unite the world and wwe titles before Sandow cashed in and that was the end of any chance he had at being a world champion lol.

[drave]

He and Elias could have made some twin magic.

[slik]

Keith Lee on his absence

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I've decided. I am just going to tell you guys the story myself. Give me a week or two.</p>&mdash; Eventual Lee (@RealKeithLee) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealKeithLee/status/1419747288176545800?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 26, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Noid]

Keith Lee on his absence

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I've decided. I am just going to tell you guys the story myself. Give me a week or two.</p>&mdash; Eventual Lee (@RealKeithLee) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealKeithLee/status/1419747288176545800?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 26, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I hope he knows he doesn't have to succumb into pressure and share.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

A week or two huh? Wonder if he’s leaving soon.

[slik]

My guess is it's probably some angle and maybe he turns heel and cuts one of those "YOU PEOPLE" promos at the crowd

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Which obvs makes total and complete sense

[Damian Rey 2.0]

They are in dire need of babyfaces for both shows right now and one guy they could protect and push is Keith Lee. Don’t why they won’t.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

They are in dire need of babyfaces for both shows right now and one guy they could protect and push is Keith Lee. Don’t why they won’t.

[Noid]

Keith Lee is incredibly lovable and turning him heel makes no sense. I'm still not over Sami Zayn's turn. I for one do not care for his conspiracy nut character. But as long as he's making a real world impact...

[Mr. Nerfect]

Damien Sandow could have been better than he was, but there was a limit. He didn’t really “get it” and even if they had jammed him down our throats, he would have just been another guy jammed down our throats.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Watched the MLW Battle Riot battle royal from this weekend. Basically it’s a 40 man Royal Rumble with pins and submissions. Winner gets a title shot anytime anywhere. Holy shit what an overbooked clusterfuck of nonsense. But kinda fun. Savio Vega pulled double duty as himself and as Kwang. Theyve got some black luchador who did like 7 Kofi elimination saving spots in one match. The ring was constantly too crowded so nobody could get their spots in cleanly. They’ve got this guy EJ Nduka who is an absolute monster. The winner stabbed the monster heel multiple times with a spike.

[M-A-G]

Getting Botchamania videos as recommendations in my YouTube feed. Like, fuck off, man.

[slik]

have never heard the audio of this clip before :eek:


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/wadVAIOiFH">https://t.co/wadVAIOiFH</a> <a href="https://t.co/aneQeVFbQd">pic.twitter.com/aneQeVFbQd</a></p>&mdash; Giancarlo Dittamo (@yeahgiancarlo) <a href="https://twitter.com/yeahgiancarlo/status/1419781831617036291?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 26, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[weather vane]

Audio? It’s the video dawg.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I kind of feel sorry for Meltzer. I suppose he probably has a lot of money though.

[Noid]

The Bucks should've renamed their flippy finisher after he creepily objectified female wrestlers for getting surgery.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The Bucks should've renamed their flippy finisher after he creepily objectified female wrestlers for getting surgery.

The Young Bucks shouldn’t have named their finish after him in the first place. Man you’re bad at this.

[Fignuts]

I remember that brief period when the bucks moved up to heavyweight in njpw, and actually put effort in to telling better stories in their matches rather than just doing moves.

Damn. What could have been.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I remember that brief period when the bucks moved up to heavyweight in njpw, and actually put effort in to telling better stories in their matches rather than just doing moves.

Damn. What could have been.

I saw one match, and I can’t remember who it was against, but one of them tried to sell an injury getting in the way of a springboard. The crowd LAUGHED. They’re not very good.

[Tom Guycott]

I thought Sandow as the intellectual savior was a good gimmick. He won MITB and I thought he’s gonna be decent B show heel champ on smackdown for a while. Then the wwe decided to unite the world and wwe titles before Sandow cashed in and that was the end of any chance he had at being a world champion lol.

I honestly thought they dropped the boat with him holding the MITB case, but Cody Rhodes taking the contract out of it and using it before Sandow realized he was just carrying around an empty gimmick case. It seemed like they were teasing something like that, then it just went away. Maybe that title unification had something to do with that? I wonder...

[Tom Guycott]

They are in dire need of babyfaces for both shows right now and one guy they could protect and push is Keith Lee. Don’t why they won’t.

Keith Lee is incredibly lovable and turning him heel makes no sense. I'm still not over Sami Zayn's turn. I for one do not care for his conspiracy nut character. But as long as he's making a real world impact...

You're talking about the same company that had Brodus Clay cut that promo where he says he's a new monster and he'll "destroy all your heroes" then shows up a few weeks later dressed like a cross between LL Cool J and RUN DMC in the 80s. The same company New Day had to repeatedly BEG to turn heel when the original incarnation (read: Vince's vision) for the gimmick was absolute death. They only started gaining steam once they became disingenuous heels instead of playing the nebulous concept of "positivity" straight (and also missed the opportunity to educate newer fans on The Freebird Rule, which I think was mentioned on TV all of ONCE outside of being listed as one of the ingredients on their box of cereal before there was actual cereal and it was just a packaging vector for the t-shirts). The same company that thought people would buy Jinder Mahal as a legit main event threat in a total of three weeks after constantly being the ass end of a joke for years. A company who FINALLY had the good sense to turn Roman heel years after it would have first made sense to do so and they'd have been reaping the benefits of their big star ages ago instead of finally pulling that trigger with this Tribal Chief business after they almost have nobody left at the top.

WWE will do whatever bullshit they think is a great idea, wheather it actually is or isn't, then usually blame the talent when it's revealed it actually wasn't a good idea... and then when they get serendipitous gold dumped on their lap, like being in the throes of the Ryder Revolution, The Summer of Punk, The YES! Movement, or the pre-Stephanie co-opted Divas Revolution, they decide to go in a different direction.

And I say that as a guy who is still not super high on Keith Lee personally. I still can't not picture him as anyone else other than the other big guy in RoH teaming with Shane Taylor. Even with my own bias, I see there is *something* there that the crowds apparently want to see, and I don't understand how WWE has yet to pick up on that.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Because Vince doesn’t care. It is logical to protect a handful of wrestlers on the roster in all divisions so that you have gatekeepers and guys ready to be elevated if they break out or there’s suddenly a need or injury. Vince doesn’t think that way. Nobody other than Roman and Lashley are special. Nobody gets ahead or goes on a tear.

The Sandow and more recently Otis MITB wins is a prime example of Vince just making a decision with no long term plan hashed out. They gave Sandow the MITB and 3 months later burned his cash in to lose to Cena, who was feuding with Randy Orton again to unify the titles. 3 months. They booked Sandow to win MITB and in three months they punted because the decision to give him the briefcase was done without actually having a game plan of how to use it.

Otis was a mistake from day one. Nobody in their right mind viewed him as a champion. At least not the top champion the show. But whatever. He gets the briefcase, he loses it, and now he’s clean shaven and playing Chad Gable’s muscle as they both circle the toilet that is the WWE midcard.

A year ago Otis was heavily featured and a seemingly popular babyface who’s greatest career accomplishment prob ruined any chance he had at elevating it celebrating himself.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Some of the anti-WWE bias has basis, another part of it is all myth. I mean, you can say that no one other than Reigns and Lashley is special, but Lashley is a relatively new thing for them. He was US/IC Title level last year. Occasional opponent for Drew. Reigns has been pushed, but his heel turn happened only about a year ago didn’t it?

There’s a period of time where the WWE didn’t want stars. They don’t want to hand talent the cache to be able to value themselves. The irony of that is that when there is a mindless millionaire throwing money around, there is that chance for talent to go elsewhere. And at some point you do need stars.

I thought the XFL would necessitate the WWE getting more of their ducks in the row. And prior to WrestleMania, it actually did seem like that with Drew. But Covid changed those plans, and they’re only getting back into things now.

You’d THINK they’d want stars now. You can kind of see it with Roman, Lashley, Drew, The Usos and Big E. Maybe a few others. But their programming largely sucks, so who knows how effective it will be?

[drave]

Thoughts on Roman and Lashley only being "stars" because of the lack of other stars or the absence of a few (i.e. Cena).


They've absolutely made Lashley look like a beast, no question. Roman talks a lotta shit, but still seems the same boring superman punching ooooh-aaahhhing shield guy.


Still find Roman boring, if I am being 100% honest. He's just a boring asshole now.

[Evil Vito]

RIP Super Porky

[Bad News Gertner]

Was just coming on here to post that. I remember first watching Porky like 20 years ago. Great character.

[#1-norm-fan]

The Sandow and more recently Otis MITB wins is a prime example of Vince just making a decision with no long term plan hashed out.

He’s been doing this for quite a while now. It’s clear he values “shock” over storytelling and character development. Zack Ryder winning the IC Title at WM a few years ago just to lose it the next night was another prime example. As is the Royal Rumble winner constantly being the secondary title contender. (Remember Shinsuke Nakamura eliminating Roman Reigns to win the rumble? Lol)

For all Vince’s faults it’s weird to see him do that. Constantly going with the “WTF” moment instead of using those moments to build actual stars seems like such an amateur wrestling booker practice.

[#1-norm-fan]

If this Vince were around in ‘87 Andre would have beaten Hogan clean at WM 3 and right after the pinfall there would just be 5 minutes of crowd shots.

[Sepholio]

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/XE0L_88cbGk" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

RIP Super Porky

[Bad News Gertner]

Ok I totally forgot how good Palmer Cannon was in this role.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tonight in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWEJacksonville?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWEJacksonville</a>, Tony Khan, son of the owner of the <a href="https://twitter.com/Jaguars?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Jaguars</a>, came bearing gifts for the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWE?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWE</a> Superstars! <a href="http://t.co/sNSIwT6DaL">pic.twitter.com/sNSIwT6DaL</a></p>&mdash; WWE Universe (@WWEUniverse) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWEUniverse/status/564241150547329025?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 8, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">May need to keep this handy. <br><br>(Note we are pivoting from bingo cards to flow charts as we feel it is best for our brand moving forward.) <a href="https://t.co/iCP4R1Qis5">pic.twitter.com/iCP4R1Qis5</a></p>&mdash; Brandon Thurston (@BrandonThurston) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrandonThurston/status/1420046290994479104?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 27, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Mr. Nerfect]

If this Vince were around in ‘87 Andre would have beaten Hogan clean at WM 3 and right after the pinfall there would just be 5 minutes of crowd shots.

If Hogan/Andre was happening now, the crowd would be cheering Andre and booing Hogan and crying that only one guy gets to look good.

Zack Ryder winning the IC Title was awful. I know that was just a random example, but that was the talent not knowing what is good or not and all pushing for Ryder to win the match.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">May need to keep this handy. <br><br>(Note we are pivoting from bingo cards to flow charts as we feel it is best for our brand moving forward.) <a href="https://t.co/iCP4R1Qis5">pic.twitter.com/iCP4R1Qis5</a></p>&mdash; Brandon Thurston (@BrandonThurston) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrandonThurston/status/1420046290994479104?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 27, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That’s the AEW textbook right there.

[Bad News Gertner]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">May need to keep this handy. <br><br>(Note we are pivoting from bingo cards to flow charts as we feel it is best for our brand moving forward.) <a href="https://t.co/iCP4R1Qis5">pic.twitter.com/iCP4R1Qis5</a></p>&mdash; Brandon Thurston (@BrandonThurston) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrandonThurston/status/1420046290994479104?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 27, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I've hated that excuse forever. There's ALWAYS going to be something else on,

[slik]

1.81 million for RAW this week

635k viewers were aged 18-49 in the ever infamous tweener known as 'The Demo'


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">REPORT: WWE Raw ratings dip from last week’s surge after return to arenas with fans – key metrics, demographics, historical perspective<a href="https://t.co/ZP2qeX2Q8i">https://t.co/ZP2qeX2Q8i</a></p>&mdash; Pro Wrestling Torch (@PWTorch) <a href="https://twitter.com/PWTorch/status/1420120703899258888?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 27, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[drave]

Those darn tootin Olympians!




Seriously, on one of the more recent Fan Council questionnaires, the WWE wanted to know if there was any interest in having any current gold medalists on WWE TV.


:|

[slik]

The Olympics had 13 million viewers last night on NBC so I could see it