"100,001" Replies (Wrestling Forum)

[Lock Jaw]

Not as a top guy.

He was champ for an extended stretch, wasn't he?

[Evil Vito]

Dillinger at #10 almost feels too predictable to be considered a surprise entry.

[Evil Vito]

Also, I don't want Tye Dillinger to be #10 in the Royal Rumble. I want him to be #11 and come out and toss out #10 for stealing "his spot."

Dolph Ziggler would be a great shout for this, in my opinion.

If the crowd is as smarky as I think it could be, he'll get heat when he walks out at #10. Then Dillinger can eliminate him at #11 to a huge pop. Sets the wheels in motion for a good feud, too.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

This is so weird

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[Corporate CockSnogger]

So my friend gave me his WWE Network log in so I can watch the royal rumble on Sunday. I was flicking through it last night and jeeeeesus it has so much content.

How do you people who love wrestling so much more than me ever get anything done? It genuinely seems amazing. Anyone that's crazy into wrestling could spend their entire free time watching the network and barely even scratch the surface of what's available.

[Evil Vito]

My few hours of leisure time each weeknight after work/the gym are usually spent playing video games, sports, or rasslin' (Raw/SmackDown, or something on the Network if the product is in a down period).

I actually cancelled my Netflix account because I just can't seem to find time to watch anything else without giving up something else I don't want to give up. As it is there's so much shit on the Network I want to watch and probably never will have the time to be able to.

[ClockShot]

This is so weird

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You have no idea.

[Droford]

Blumenthal beat her for the CT senate seat a few years ago

[Volare]

This should be a damn good match.

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[slik]

So my friend gave me his WWE Network log in so I can watch the royal rumble on Sunday. I was flicking through it last night and jeeeeesus it has so much content.

How do you people who love wrestling so much more than me ever get anything done? It genuinely seems amazing. Anyone that's crazy into wrestling could spend their entire free time watching the network and barely even scratch the surface of what's available.

They are about to start adding a few indy promotions from the UK as well (seriously). According to the news sites, they are going to start airing ICP's wrestling fed, ICW and some other groups (I think one was called Revive maybe?)

[Black Widow]

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[Gerard]

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Worlds largest six pack? :eek:

Turning into..

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[Bad News Gertner]

Started up Mr.Dufour's Wayback Machine again.

http://411mania.com/wrestling/mr-dufours-wayback-machine-january-22nd-1983-msg/

[Emperor Smeat]

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[Emperor Smeat]

Apparently Netflix recently bought the rights to a Hogan-Gawker documentary that is in the works.

http://www.theverge.com/2017/1/23/14366438/netflix-documentary-hulk-hogan-gawker-sundance-peter-thiel

[Cool King]

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[Lock Jaw]

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I have no memories of this

[GD]

I remember it. Also remember Kurt Angle versus Mark Henry for the WHC closing the show with the Undertaker returning to end the show.

[Big Vic]

Remember when Kane was winning matches over Bray and Harper for no reason?

[Evil Vito]

I remember it. Also remember Kurt Angle versus Mark Henry for the WHC closing the show with the Undertaker returning to end the show.

Yup. That's the last time they didn't have the Rumble itself close out the program, which is always ill-advised.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

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lol

[Droford]

They used a similar raised ramp at WM 22 that year

[Droford]

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Cesar moonlighting as a Stripper in Chile

[#1-norm-fan]

Yup. That's the last time they didn't have the Rumble itself close out the program, which is always ill-advised.

Rock vs Punk closed it out few years ago. I remember being let down. Even with Rock winning the title, having to sit through a regular match after the rumble feels "bleh".

[Rebecca Reigns]

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[Evil Vito]

Rock vs Punk closed it out few years ago. I remember being let down. Even with Rock winning the title, having to sit through a regular match after the rumble feels "bleh".

I honestly forgot all about that despite actually going to Mania that year. Shows how bad of an idea it is to not close with the Rumble itself.

[A.J.K]

Okay, i was looking at the progress that has been made in WWE as far as the Women's Division. So WWE has had them in Hell in a Cell and Main events of shows, if WWE want to keep closing the gap of WWE Women and Male Wrestlers, have the Women compete against the men.I know it seems a bit crazy yet, but Wouldn't mind seeing Women compete in the Royal Rumble and win it and go for the WWE title.

[Big Vic]

Alexa vs John Cena in an INFERNO match.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Not happening anytime soon.. Pretty sure Triple H went on record saying he doesn't feel the fan base is ready for women to start competing with the men. I'd have to say I agree with him. It'd be a big jump.

[A.J.K]

Not happening anytime soon.. Pretty sure Triple H went on record saying he doesn't feel the fan base is ready for women to start competing with the men. I'd have to say I agree with him. It'd be a big jump.

At least have kind of a one off event, once a year where the women do compete with the men.

Charlotte vs Seth Rollins could be a good match if they were to chance a one-time deal. Just to see how the crowd reacts to the potential idea and if it is well received , keep slowly building from there.

[Droford]

Watching 92 rumble

Volkoff reminds me of Mojo Rawley

[Emperor Smeat]

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[Wishbone]

So after seeing SmackDown Live this week can someone please remind me again how Cena is supposed to be a face? Like seriously, everything about his promo and mannerisms screams heel. If literally anyone else said the stuff he did they'd get booed out the building. WWE really needs to sort their shit out. Also, what was up with him busting out the rapper persona? Just felt... weird.

[Emperor Smeat]

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Real reason is just the WWE being too afraid to actually turn Cena heel because they are that scared of his merch sales going down. One of the really bad side effects of revolving the company solely around one guy for over a decade while ignoring building up others to be his equal or near equal in status.

Him being the arrogant gatekeeper and constant shrug of his opponents being worthless would work way better if he was a heel. Especially when his opponents keep bringing up valid points against Cena and his antics.

[Cool King]

Speaking of Cena's promo:

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[Droford]

Y2AJ

[Vastardikai]

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Not anything against anything you said, I just wanted to point out that Toru Yano could get over in the US if he was booked as he is in Japan (IE Japanese Eddie Guerrero).

[Big Vic]

Who did he say that to before, CK?

[#1-norm-fan]

Looks like Christian on the night he got drafted to Raw for the first time.

[Cool King]

It sure was.

He said the line during his "diss rap" (or whatever the kids call it these days) on Christian.

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[#BROKEN Hasney]

I was so happy to see Christian get main event status... Then I stopped watching WWE for a while and watched TNA like a good little peep.

[Vastardikai]

I am sure I mentioned this before, but the problem with burying a guy's or girl's accomplishments is this: if you beat a nobody, who cares? You beat a nobody. If you lose to a nobody, why should I care about you? You lost to a nobody.

I mean, is it that difficult to understand that you have to make people care about the outcome?

*looks at the lack of attendance and ratings.*

I guess so.

[Evil Vito]

With a PPV in a couple days, Poit's last day on here was over a month ago. Pretty much the last thing he did was post the final 2016 Tipsters standings (and he won) but he hasn't logged on since.

I dunno, they stopped doing the podcasts a while ago and most of the TLP had left.....think Poit might've been waiting to wrap up the Tipsters year before leaving himself.

Unless someone else takes up the mantle I'm guessing there will be no Tipsters this year.

[slik]

Young Bray talkin' trash

Young Roman eatin' Ramen


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[Mercenary]

So at the rumple will we get Berg/UT/Lesner/Braun/Show/Henry/Kane in the ring at once and if so will it collapse under the weight

[Droford]

I think its funny WWE..WWF in 1997 could sell out the Alamo dome but 2017 WWE can't.

[Lock Jaw]

With a PPV in a couple days, Poit's last day on here was over a month ago. Pretty much the last thing he did was post the final 2016 Tipsters standings (and he won) but he hasn't logged on since.

I dunno, they stopped doing the podcasts a while ago and most of the TLP had left.....think Poit might've been waiting to wrap up the Tipsters year before leaving himself.

Unless someone else takes up the mantle I'm guessing there will be no Tipsters this year.

Damn.....

Was just "assuming" that Poit would swoop in and show up........ feel like he rarely posts anymore, but seemed to always reappear to do Tipsters......

But yeah, he could be "not bothering" with it this year.....

[slik]

I think its funny WWE..WWF in 1997 could sell out the Alamo dome but 2017 WWE can't.

They only sold it out in 1997 because they gave away free tickets to anyone in San Antonio who ate at taco bell as a promotion. "Buy a Burrito, Get a FREE ticket" type of thing.

[slik]

Damn.....

Was just "assuming" that Poit would swoop in and show up........ feel like he rarely posts anymore, but seemed to always reappear to do Tipsters......

But yeah, he could be "not bothering" with it this year.....

The Demon Poit is attending WrestleMania, maybe he will post on here again

[Droford]

They only sold it out in 1997 because they gave away free tickets to anyone in San Antonio who ate at taco bell as a promotion. "Buy a Burrito, Get a FREE ticket" type of thing.

They supposedly actually sold 48000 tickets though. Close to 40000 this year. Depending on how they go about it id imagine it'll still look impressive and better than when TNA booked the one corner for Lockdown in 2013 but I bet this makes them rethink non Mania Big 4 shows in bigger venues

[Lock Jaw]

Trying to remember what the main event of Wrestlemania 32 was, and I seriously can't remember...... drawing a big blank.....

[Cool King]

Reigns vs Triple H.

[#1-norm-fan]

With a PPV in a couple days, Poit's last day on here was over a month ago. Pretty much the last thing he did was post the final 2016 Tipsters standings (and he won) but he hasn't logged on since.

I dunno, they stopped doing the podcasts a while ago and most of the TLP had left.....think Poit might've been waiting to wrap up the Tipsters year before leaving himself.

Unless someone else takes up the mantle I'm guessing there will be no Tipsters this year.

Fucker took his Tipsters winnings and skipped town. Probably enjoying a life of luxury somewhere in the Bahamas. Damn.

[Lock Jaw]

Oh yeah..............

[Emperor Smeat]

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[Cool King]

I had to stop and think for a while at first myself.

I originally thought it was Lesnar vs Reigns (with Rollins cashing in his MITB) but that was WrestleMania 31.

[Lock Jaw]

Just read first issue of Boom Studios' WWE comic book.......... revealed that HHH did not "ok" Seth Rollins cashing in his Money in the Bank at Wrestlemania, and was not "happy" with Rollins acting without his permission and "slammed him against a wall" when he got backstage and warned him "not to ever go against his wishes again".......

So this Rollins/HHH thing goes back further than we thought...... the tension......

[Lock Jaw]

I had to stop and think for a while at first myself.

I originally thought it was Lesnar vs Reigns (with Rollins cashing in his MITB) but that was WrestleMania 31.

Yeah, and then after I remembered I thought "Oh yeah, that was a mess of a match with all the outside interference and everything" but then I remembered "oh wait, that was HHH vs Sting at WrestleMania 31"

[Lock Jaw]

And every time Rollins mentions on RAW about how he missed Wrestlemania last year, I have that instant where I am all "Huh? I have no memory of him missing Wrestlemania"

Basically what I am trying to say is that I seem to barely be able to remember that Wrestlemania 32 occurred, and constantly think of 31 as the last one.

[#1-norm-fan]

Rock vs Cena 2 feels like it's gonna be the last WrestleMania main event ever that felt "WrestleMania-worthy". Unless they go Cena vs Taker. The drop-off has just felt insane since and all the part-timers who can bring that genuine "big fight feel" are gonna retire or die soon. Depressing.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Rock vs Cena 2 feels like it's gonna be the last WrestleMania main event ever that felt "WrestleMania-worthy". Unless they go Cena vs Taker. The drop-off has just felt insane since and all the part-timers who can bring that genuine "big fight feel" are gonna retire or die soon. Depressing.

It may be, but it had a predictable finish. Didn't really know Rock would win thevery first one. It could have been the retcon torch pass.

[The CyNick]

They supposedly actually sold 48000 tickets though. Close to 40000 this year. Depending on how they go about it id imagine it'll still look impressive and better than when TNA booked the one corner for Lockdown in 2013 but I bet this makes them rethink non Mania Big 4 shows in bigger venues

It's the range with what they expected ticket sales to be at this stage. Texas is a big walk up crowd, so they'll probably have more tickets out the door by show time. In 1997 they didn't have a large stage blocking off seats, which they will this year, so in reality capacity for wrestling is probably closer to 55k. It'll look amazing on TV.

Only on the internet would selling over 40k tickets to an event be seen as lol WWE.

[The CyNick]

Rock vs Cena 2 feels like it's gonna be the last WrestleMania main event ever that felt "WrestleMania-worthy". Unless they go Cena vs Taker. The drop-off has just felt insane since and all the part-timers who can bring that genuine "big fight feel" are gonna retire or die soon. Depressing.

Maybe you can finally stop watching and take your negative attitude to another genre. May I suggest Live PD?

[#1-norm-fan]

I'm not above lying to make it look like I know what I'm talking about.

[Emperor Smeat]

Supposedly the WWE is trying to persuade FloSlam to drop EVOLVE from their network as payback for the generosity the WWE has given them. EVOLVE would then move onto the WWE Network instead while also no longer needing to worry about the restrictions WWE has for their indie talent.

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[Big Vic]

@#1wf:

What? WrestleMania 30 was good.

[#1-norm-fan]

@#1wf:

What? WrestleMania 30 was good.

Daniel Bryan vs Randy Orton vs Batista wasn't anywhere near as huge of a deal as Rock vs Cena. That was my point. It could have been on any B PPV and not felt too big for it. Rock vs Cena was a true "big fight" WrestleMania match.

[slik]

respectfully disagree via story of Daniel Bryan winning title/overcoming Authority finally was a WM-level storyline

[slik]

They supposedly actually sold 48000 tickets though. Close to 40000 this year. Depending on how they go about it id imagine it'll still look impressive and better than when TNA booked the one corner for Lockdown in 2013 but I bet this makes them rethink non Mania Big 4 shows in bigger venues

True, even a crowd of 40k will look HUGE on tv compared to normal crowd...I remember when RAW was at Rogers Center in Toronto (site of WM 6 and WM 18) and crowd looked massive despite not being a sell-out. Same for WCW Nitro at Astrodome and Georgia Dome.

I think SummerSlam could and should be held in a 30-40k outdoor stadium to be honest. Lots of soccer stadiums in the U.S. have that capacity, StubHub Center in L.A. and Sporting KC Stadium both come to mind.



It's the range with what they expected ticket sales to be at this stage. Texas is a big walk up crowd, so they'll probably have more tickets out the door by show time. In 1997 they didn't have a large stage blocking off seats, which they will this year, so in reality capacity for wrestling is probably closer to 55k. It'll look amazing on TV.

Only on the internet would selling over 40k tickets to an event be seen as lol WWE.

I think this is the first time noted poster The CyNick and noted poster sliksuke nakamura have been on the same page. A very notable moment on this very noted day.

[#1-norm-fan]

Without even getting into whether or not Bryan, Batistia and/or Orton were huge stars who brought a "this is a huge deal" feel like Rock/Cena did... he'd already won the title. That "moment" even happened on a PPV a few months before. So even from that aspect it's kinda overrated.

[Lock Jaw]

I think #1-wwf-fan might be the most negative person on the boards (which is generally full of negative posters)

[#1-norm-fan]

Am I wrong?

Pretty sure I just voice it more. You pretty much said/implied what I felt when discussing the forgettable nature of the last WrestleMania main event.

[Lock Jaw]

Yeah, a lot of the time

I still like you, though, because I am positive and like everybody

[#1-norm-fan]

Even as Mr. Positivity, I wouldn't have to go far back in your posts to find you saying pretty much the same things I've said about shit booking, forgettable, poorly put together storylines, etc. That's saying something.

[Droford]

Royal Rumble next year in Philly.

Probably won't go

[Emperor Smeat]

Daniel Bryan vs Randy Orton vs Batista wasn't anywhere near as huge of a deal as Rock vs Cena. That was my point. It could have been on any B PPV and not felt too big for it. Rock vs Cena was a true "big fight" WrestleMania match.

Sort of agree mainly because Rock-Cena I & II had both guys as big mainstream stars and Bryan-Batista-Orton only had Bryan as the big mainstream star.

Both matches still had the "big fight" feel to them but in different ways. Rock-Cena I & II were stronger in star power but weaker in actual storyline while Mania 30 was weaker in star power but stronger in storyline.

[RP]

I hate to break this to you folks but Daniel Bryan is so overrated on these boards its unreal. I dont think anyone gives a damn about him or his history. I wouldnt care at all if he came back. I would laugh or maybe raise an eyebrow i dont know. He was no where near as good as everyone acts like he was. Nor was CM Punk for that matter. It cracks me up to see these posts.

[slik]

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[#1-norm-fan]

I hate to break this to you folks but Daniel Bryan is so overrated on these boards its unreal. I dont think anyone gives a damn about him or his history. I wouldnt care at all if he came back. I would laugh or maybe raise an eyebrow i dont know. He was no where near as good as everyone acts like he was. Nor was CM Punk for that matter. It cracks me up to see these posts.

Yeah. At the very least, he definitely wasn't a "big mainstream star".

[Damian Rey 2.0]

If it does close. Lesnar Goldberg will be a pretty big main event in terms of legitimate star power.

Lesnar Reigns, imo, had a big fight feel. But that was more with Lesnar's aura than anything Reigns was bringing to the match.

[Black Widow]

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"OK, you be me and I'll be Brock. GO!"

[#1-norm-fan]

If it does close. Lesnar Goldberg will be a pretty big main event in terms of legitimate star power.

Lesnar Reigns, imo, had a big fight feel. But that was more with Lesnar's aura than anything Reigns was bringing to the match.


Something about Lesnar-Goldberg main eventing doesn't do it for me. I can't put my finger on it. Maybe it's the fact that it's the rematch of a squash. Maybe their first WrestleMania match is still in the back of my mind and this could be a similar situation. It might be the best option sadly though.

Reigns vs Lesnar had potential but it ended up basically being a heel vs heel match. Although the match was booked pretty perfectly for Reigns to get over as a face until the end.

[RP]

I vaguely remember Daniel Bryants WM Title win. I know it was 3 way, i think HHH was in it, i cant remember the other guy. I'm a huge wrestling fan, and this is what Daniel Bryant is to me and the majority. It's the same reason i laugh when someone tells me Kenny Omega is going to debut in the Royal Rumble. LOL ??? Why? 90% of wrestling fans have no clue who he is. I barely know who he is. What would be the point of debuting him? He's not getting anymore over by being in the RR. It cracks me up.

[Emperor Smeat]

Yeah. At the very least, he definitely wasn't a "big mainstream star".

Disagree since he was generating a lot of outside press and "YES" stuff becoming big in the mainstream. WWE being way too stubborn to take advantage of it and Bryan's body breaking down at the worst time possible were the only reasons why it didn't last. Had neither occurred, he would have been the perfect person to use as a bridge for the Cena and Reigns eras.

Last time something as organic happened for the WWE was the Summer of Punk stuff and Punk's record breaking modern WWE reign.

[RP]

Disagree since he was generating a lot of outside press and "YES" stuff becoming big in the mainstream. WWE being way too stubborn to take advantage of it and Bryan's body breaking down at the worst time possible were the only reasons why it didn't last. Had neither occurred, he would have been the perfect person to use as a bridge for the Cena and Reigns eras.

Last time something as organic happened for the WWE was the Summer of Punk stuff and Punk's record breaking modern WWE reign.

I disagree. The last time something organic happened for the WWE was Enzo. I know that is not a popular opinion, but for a 2 month span that guy had the mic and he had control of everything. And WWE just didnt have the guts to just go with it. And it's understandable. He's teamed with Cass. Cass has a lot of potential, but if we're strickly talking " organic ". Enzo had that for sure. They just didnt pull the trigger.

[RP]

Let me expand

They should have went nuts with the hot mic Enzo carried. Now its so so. But if they had, they could have pushed him a bit and then they could have slingshot Cass over him with a fued between them and put the prototypical big man up there. But they missed that. Or passed on that. And it dont really make sense.

[RP]

Cass is way more ready than Corbin atm. But it comes down to what shows they are on i guess.

[Cool King]

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[Cool King]

Also, I noticed he slipped into doing that English (and also American) thing of referring to the UK as "England".

[Emperor Smeat]

Let me expand

They should have went nuts with the hot mic Enzo carried. Now its so so. But if they had, they could have pushed him a bit and then they could have slingshot Cass over him with a fued between them and put the prototypical big man up there. But they missed that. Or passed on that. And it dont really make sense.

Agree on they should have pulled the trigger sooner at least in regards to a tag title reign and using it to boost their star power for something bigger in the future. WWE being petty against Demoltion ended up hurting them a lot.

Cass is probably a few years away from becoming a potential big star and think if they separate before then, its going to just be a repeat of the Cryme Tyme situation. WWE favored Shad a lot more than JTG but quickly lost all interest in him because his solo run was failing or moving slower than they wanted after the split.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Am I wrong?

Pretty sure I just voice it more. You pretty much said/implied what I felt when discussing the forgettable nature of the last WrestleMania main event.

I think people expect too much positivity from a guy named #1 WWF fan. Maybe you and Cynick should change names.

[#1-norm-fan]

... Holy shit... I just now realized the irony of that. Mind blown.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Something about Lesnar-Goldberg main eventing doesn't do it for me. I can't put my finger on it. Maybe it's the fact that it's the rematch of a squash. Maybe their first WrestleMania match is still in the back of my mind and this could be a similar situation. It might be the best option sadly though.

Reigns vs Lesnar had potential but it ended up basically being a heel vs heel match. Although the match was booked pretty perfectly for Reigns to get over as a face until the end.

I can see that. It still has aura to me though. They are two legitimate stars. And there's a story there that makes sense regardless of who goes over.

With Reigns Lesnar, I feel two things hurt it. Number 1, Brock at that point was pretty much a face. He was over as fuck and getting face pops since August the year before. Two is that Reigns was being completely rejected by the crowd. The way the match was though was perfect.

Reigns looked good, even though I personally didn't care for the smiling stuff, and Lesnar maintained his monster terminator gimmick while also giving Reigns some shine.

It would've been better had Reigns actually gotten the big win and the run of beating Lesnar. If they were dead set on Rollins cashing in, have Lesnar go ape shit on Reigns, or have Rollins sneak in during the celebration and go that route.

But still, the felt like a pretty big main event. I will admit Taker Reigns has a big fight feel. Big dog trying to claim the yard. Makes sense, only if Reigns goes over though. Taker doesn't need the win, but Roman does.

[#1-norm-fan]

Disagree since he was generating a lot of outside press and "YES" stuff becoming big in the mainstream.

We definitely have different definitions of "big mainstream star". Bryan was never a household name.

[Lock Jaw]

Until he is an internet meme he is not a big mainstream star

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

The Yes chants were everywhere for a good long time.

[The CyNick]

True, even a crowd of 40k will look HUGE on tv compared to normal crowd...I remember when RAW was at Rogers Center in Toronto (site of WM 6 and WM 18) and crowd looked massive despite not being a sell-out. Same for WCW Nitro at Astrodome and Georgia Dome.

I think SummerSlam could and should be held in a 30-40k outdoor stadium to be honest. Lots of soccer stadiums in the U.S. have that capacity, StubHub Center in L.A. and Sporting KC Stadium both come to mind.





I think this is the first time noted poster The CyNick and noted poster sliksuke nakamura have been on the same page. A very notable moment on this very noted day.

Once in a Lifetime

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Omega says he will likely sign with New Japan in Feb and will not be at the Royal Rumble ppv. Says do not expect him to show up and be disappointed. He is a known liar, though. So, who knows?

[Wishbone]

Cass is way more ready than Corbin atm. But it comes down to what shows they are on i guess.

I'm sorry but you saying that Bryan wasn't a star in the eyes of wrestling fans and then proceeding to say that Big Cass is ready to be a main event star is just the most ignorant and flat out stupid thing I've seen from someone who isn't called CyNick around here. :rofl:

Bryan wasn't a "mainstream" star like the Rock or Cena, but he was damn well a star to the majority of wrestling fans. Kids, adults, marks, smarks, they all loved the guy. He was every bit on the level of an HBK, Triple H, or Bret Hart when at his peak and to say otherwise is just laughable.

[Wishbone]

We definitely have different definitions of "big mainstream star". Bryan was never a household name.

In all fairness your definition of mainstream star means that literally no wrestlers outside of the Rock, Hogan, and maybe Andre the Giant were ever mainstream stars then. Household names are people who the vast majority of the general populace can identify without any background information given. I'd argue that many modern day pop stars and tv/movie stars don't even meet that requirement. Like, Michael Jackson is a household name, but Justin Bieber? Not so much. That doesn't mean Bieber isn't a superstar, but he's nowhere near as well known as Jackson.

[Emperor Smeat]

Omega says he will likely sign with New Japan in Feb and will not be at the Royal Rumble ppv. Says do not expect him to show up and be disappointed. He is a known liar, though. So, who knows?
Even if he were to show up at the Rumble, it would be as just some random fan at ringside since his NJPW contract doesn't end till days later. WWE would be opening themselves to a potential big lawsuit if it got find out they were in serious talks or he made a handshake deal with them.

They were already sued once before in recent years by TNA because of similar issues and think it got settled by the WWE.

[Shadrick]

The Yes chants were everywhere for a good long time.

If you polled the people doing it, I'm willing to bet 95% of them wouldn't know the origin.

[Emperor Smeat]

Seems like Tugboat's health recently took a turn for the worst according to Bushwhacker Luke.

Matey's Big Fred, Tugboat has been in hospital for 15 plus days and not doing well. He needs all the prayers from you guys so he can be out and about shaking hands and kissing kids. As you know he's a great guy and a good friend of mine. Pray matey's and God Bless Fred.
https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/5qa7nu/shockmaster_in_poor_health/

[Lock Jaw]

The Yes chants were everywhere for a good long time.

Seem like I remember hearing about it happening at some other sporting event maybe two times.....

Also, it was not an internet meme

[#1-norm-fan]

In all fairness your definition of mainstream star means that literally no wrestlers outside of the Rock, Hogan, and maybe Andre the Giant were ever mainstream stars then. Household names are people who the vast majority of the general populace can identify without any background information given. I'd argue that many modern day pop stars and tv/movie stars don't even meet that requirement. Like, Michael Jackson is a household name, but Justin Bieber? Not so much. That doesn't mean Bieber isn't a superstar, but he's nowhere near as well known as Jackson.

Pretty sure most people know who Justin Bieber is but that's beside the point. My definition of "mainstream star" is not THAT high. I also don't think you need to be a mainstream star to be worth a shit. I don't think Goldberg is a mainstream star but he's a big enough deal to possibly bring that "big fight feel" a WrestleMania main event should have. I was just responding to the idea that Bryan was a mainstream star. I think you'd have to bring the standards pretty low to include him. Punk was closer to being a mainstream star.

[#1-norm-fan]

If you polled the people doing it, I'm willing to bet 95% of them wouldn't know the origin.

Sure they would. "When Harry Met Sally".

[#1-norm-fan]

Seem like I remember hearing about it happening at some other sporting event maybe two times.....

Also, it was not an internet meme

I remember Fandangoing happening at other sporting events a couple times. Fandango was not a superstar because of it though. (Despite the fact that he should be a superstar for other reasons. Fuck WWE.)

[Emperor Smeat]

Still find it fascinating at how fast WWE managed to torpedo Fandangoing as a popular thing within 2 weeks or so.

Started as just a random thing done because the crowd was really bored during a RAW After Mania show. Managed to spread in popularity outside of wrestling as a new craze. Within a week or two after the WWE gets their hands on it, the whole thing dies off very quickly.

Its such a goofy thing to do but somehow WWE's associated stink managed to make it no longer fun to do.

[#1-norm-fan]

WWE came off like an old guy who accidentally does something that people find funny or cool and then when he realizes it, he's like "You youngsters like that!?" and then starts doing it on purpose and it's awkward as fuck.

That's the exact feeling I had as soon as Jerry Lawler came out on Raw like "You guys hear about this Fandangoing craze!?"

[The CyNick]

Still find it fascinating at how fast WWE managed to torpedo Fandangoing as a popular thing within 2 weeks or so.

Started as just a random thing done because the crowd was really bored during a RAW After Mania show. Managed to spread in popularity outside of wrestling as a new craze. Within a week or two after the WWE gets their hands on it, the whole thing dies off very quickly.

Its such a goofy thing to do but somehow WWE's associated stink managed to make it no longer fun to do.

Funny how people who look so fondly at that gimmick fail to realize it was a joke and was never going to be anything more than a short lived comedy spot. What was the big payoff with Fandangoing? Do you think it was going to become a new dance craze that swept the nation?

[Emperor Smeat]

Nothing more than just something fun and goofy to do at events. Believe it was already being done at a few sporting events as a victory celebration prior to the WWE trying to claim it as their own.

Any real payoff would have been the WWE doing its best to capitalize on it as a potential start for making Fandango into a bigger star than he ended up becoming afterwards. Doesn't even need to be in the main event or mega star tier in order to be considered as a success.

[Mr. Pierre]

The problem with Goldberg/Lesnar to me is that the story was "How will Brock react after being embarrassed?" Well it's literally no different than any other Brock appearance. To sell this, Brock needed to be an out of his mind, urgent, uncontrollable killer. Nastier than ever.

Instead, we're getting the slow paced beatdowns, staredowns, etc.

The 2015 suspension angle with Rollins after WM31 was good stuff, and that's the kind of segment that belonged the night after Survivor Series to sell how Brock had completely snapped.

In short, the picture doesn't match the story here.

[Wishbone]

Pretty sure most people know who Justin Bieber is but that's beside the point. My definition of "mainstream star" is not THAT high. I also don't think you need to be a mainstream star to be worth a shit. I don't think Goldberg is a mainstream star but he's a big enough deal to possibly bring that "big fight feel" a WrestleMania main event should have. I was just responding to the idea that Bryan was a mainstream star. I think you'd have to bring the standards pretty low to include him. Punk was closer to being a mainstream star.

I think if you asked most people over 40 they'd barely know Bieber's name, and people outside the U.S. and Canada even more so. That said maybe an Ed Sheeran or something would have been a better choice. Meh.

Anyway, I'd agree with Bryan not being mainstream, but that applies to most guys. I'd put Bryan in the same spot as Triple H in terms of star power, at least before the retirement. Punk got a tad bit higher, but overall I think both men got cut short. I honestly believe given time both could have reached much farther.

[Mr. Pierre]

Also looking like they are planting seeds for the AJ/Shane feud, since AJ has spoke about how Shane is against him as Champion.

Styles defends in the Chamber, lasts the final 3 with Orton and Wyatt who beat him down with a few hope spots mixed in. Orton/Wyatt agreed pre-match to take out the field first, then fight, but immediately after the Abigail/RKO spot, Bray Abigails Orton to eliminate him. Then Wyatt eliminates Styles for the belt.

Orton's hot, earns match at Mania against his former leader.

Styles, on the transition to becoming a full-fledged babyface, calls bullshit on the Chamber and the way he was treated by management. Sets up a street fight with Shane.

[Mr. Pierre]

Also feel like Samoa Joe is going to screw over Cena on Sunday. I'm sure it's been posted before so don't wanna take credit. Feel like Vito may have. Anyway, Cena vs. Joe has money all over it. Joe is one of the last true heels around, alongside Miz.

Add Taker/Roman for the Universal, Jericho/Owens, and HHH/Rollins

[BigCrippyZ]

Pretty sure most people know who Justin Bieber is but that's beside the point. My definition of "mainstream star" is not THAT high. I also don't think you need to be a mainstream star to be worth a shit. I don't think Goldberg is a mainstream star but he's a big enough deal to possibly bring that "big fight feel" a WrestleMania main event should have. I was just responding to the idea that Bryan was a mainstream star. I think you'd have to bring the standards pretty low to include him. Punk was closer to being a mainstream star.

Don't worry man. Logic doesn't always work with everyone. Thought I think Bryan could've been a "mainstream" star (or at least bigger than he was) IF WWE hadn't fucked it up.

[slik]

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[Big Vic]

Without even getting into whether or not Bryan, Batistia and/or Orton were huge stars who brought a "this is a huge deal" feel like Rock/Cena did... he'd already won the title. That "moment" even happened on a PPV a few months before. So even from that aspect it's kinda overrated.

What other WrestleMania's are on Rock/Cena level?

[Big Vic]

Until he is an internet meme he is not a big mainstream star

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/406/877/435.png

[Big Vic]

Nothing more than just something fun and goofy to do at events. Believe it was already being done at a few sporting events as a victory celebration prior to the WWE trying to claim it as their own.

Any real payoff would have been the WWE doing its best to capitalize on it as a potential start for making Fandango into a bigger star than he ended up becoming afterwards. Doesn't even need to be in the main event or mega star tier in order to be considered as a success.
It didn't help that Fandango got concussed a month after.

The way the WWE could have kept Fandangoing "Hot" would be to have Fandango yell at the crowd and tell them to stop, etc.

[#1-norm-fan]

What other WrestleMania's are on Rock/Cena level?

Recently? Not many. The lack of any real stars being produced makes it tough.

[Cool King]

WWE.com Presents:

Guess The PPV Poster

1:http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/gallery_img_l/public/all/2017/01/01_2015_Fastlane_Keyart--b2ecf5f367f6925db3c982582a114ada.jpg

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2:http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/gallery_img_l/public/all/2017/01/03_2015_Royal_Rumble_Keyart--5cdf39f9f043e9ce5529a397a124d46d.jpg

Answer:http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/gallery_img_l/public/all/2017/01/04_2015_Royal_Rumble_Keyart_Logo--911b130e4732285745b20b8cf0911ccb.jpg

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Answer:http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/gallery_img_l/public/all/2017/01/06_2012_WrestleMania_28_keyart_Logo--75691dfbd7ef18f8f506da689eecd4d4.jpg

4:http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/gallery_img_l/public/all/2017/01/07_WWE_NM_8_27_New--eca506bd877f8035a418f6e065f291dc.jpg

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5:http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/gallery_img_l/public/all/2017/01/09_JD_2k8_Keyart_R--a8ee70be969cdc47d02377ba72709366.jpg

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6:http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/gallery_img_l/public/all/2017/01/11_2012_No_Way_Out_keyart--7abd214d697c414098cf92df40743e91.jpg

Answer:http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/gallery_img_l/public/all/2017/01/12_2012_No_Way_Out_keyart_Logo--0b552579c07ff2e820f7695c4fbad132.jpg

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Answer:http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/gallery_img_l/public/all/2017/01/14_2009_judgment_day_keyart_Logo--fe066e80f9a6f79d6696892220c00209.jpg

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Answer:http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/gallery_img_l/public/all/2017/01/16_2015_Night_Of_Champions_Keyart_Logo--792a592426d3df4bea3d7eb413debfe7.jpg

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Answer:http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/gallery_img_l/public/all/2017/01/22_2010_Hell_in_a_Cell_keyart_Logo--76a72d42ff40227469d8635758729dec.jpg

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Answer:http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/gallery_img_l/public/all/2017/01/24_24376_pst_DecDis_Jumbo_Logo--2d30665c9f3840d5814e4427fee45c08.jpg

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Answer:http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/gallery_img_l/public/all/2017/01/26_2012_Hell_In_A_Cell_Keyart_Logo--0de658f13cc6983bf9569c4ba8287e6f.jpg

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Answer:http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/gallery_img_l/public/all/2017/01/28_2010_Bragging_Rights_keyart_Logo--38576669be6e4ab8287aa9525e12bbc5.jpg

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Answer:http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/gallery_img_l/public/all/2017/01/30_2011_Vengeance_Keyart_Logo--9767de12663ecf2d3b2b44e66fad4075.jpg

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Answer:http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/gallery_img_l/public/all/2017/01/32_42810_PPV_SS_Jumbo_Poster_Fin_cs_Logo--9faa58dad9651730d2a4581b00362041.jpg

17:http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/gallery_img_l/public/all/2017/01/33_25262-BL.2k7-JmboPPV_Pstr.3--486c0be665d2477b877934c826e3f4d2.jpg

Answer:http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/gallery_img_l/public/all/2017/01/34_25262-BL.2k7-JmboPPV_Pstr.3_Logo--be2aba2ef4782dcb6e117c618a415a32.jpg

18:http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/gallery_img_l/public/all/2017/01/35_2013_Survivor_Series_keyart--97d988646d94953b17f63755a4246ff1.jpg

Answer:http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/gallery_img_l/public/all/2017/01/36_2013_Survivor_Series_keyart_Logo--8f1d2822dbac0e11ef50fbdc8feb8aea.jpg

19:http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/gallery_img_l/public/all/2017/01/37_2010_Extreme_Rules_keyart--8853f999505dfd25a0f760ce68bc984d.jpg

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20:http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/gallery_img_l/public/all/2017/01/39_2015_Battleground_Keyart--05597abf71762c809a1078d863438acf.jpg

Answer:http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/gallery_img_l/public/all/2017/01/40_2015_Battleground_Keyart_Logo--65bd58956922b71ba504dea299a07ddb.jpg

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Answer:http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/gallery_img_l/public/all/2017/01/42_Armg_keyart_FINAL_v3_Logo--50bb631b9f1c95372ebdcc478780d2ba.jpg

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Answer:http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/gallery_img_l/public/all/2017/01/44_55807_NET_PROMO_HIAC_Jumbo_Poster_Fin_cs_smallest_Logo--1cf6161a3919b105896cec8815ac6d31.jpg

23:http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/gallery_img_l/public/all/2017/01/45_2009_Extreme_Rules_keyart--ce72d27449251f4fd60e5538c0d781fa.jpg

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24:http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/gallery_img_l/public/all/2017/01/47_2009_Breaking_Point_keyart--900c7529c5384f41cd098394e87898da.jpg

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Answer:http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/gallery_img_l/public/all/2017/01/50_SurvSeries2k7_KeyArt_FINAL_Logos--55eaffb30940358dc99eb8c9c6dcbd43.jpg

[Cool King]

I got 24/25.

I was stumped on 20.

I read up on the PPV and I have absolutely no recollection of that PPV.

It did happen around the time when I was really not interested in the product and was so close to not watching WWE TV again, so that's probably why I can't remember it.

[Big Vic]

Recently? Not many. The lack of any real stars being produced makes it tough.

No I mean out of every WrestleMania what others are on that level?

[#1-norm-fan]

Pretty much any of the Hogan, Austin, Rock ones. And a few of the Cena ones. Basically the ones that had huge stars in it. I'd even say Batista vs HHH was worthy at the time because it actually seemed like it would be the birth of a "face of the company" and not just a main event that is interchangeable with the main event of any other PPV.

[Big Vic]

WWE.com Presents:
Guess The PPV Poster

I got the following wrong:
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5
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17
18
19
20
23
25

[Big Vic]

Pretty much any of the Hogan, Austin, Rock ones. And a few of the Cena ones. Basically the ones that had huge stars in it. I'd even say Batista vs HHH was worthy at the time because it actually seemed like it would be the birth of a "face of the company" and not just a main event that is interchangeable with the main event of any other PPV.
So the 6 years between that match and Cena/Rock were all duds to then right?

[#1-norm-fan]

Between Batista vs HHH and Cena vs Rock?

[Big Vic]

Yeah, and the 3 years before Batista vs HHH.

[#1-norm-fan]

No. I said "and a few of the Cena ones".

[Big Vic]

Which ones?

[#1-norm-fan]

lol Cena vs HHH was a pretty big deal. Cena vs HBK, even though HBK is my favorite of all time, felt kinda lacking. I can see the point being made either way. HBK seemed pretty set as the guy there to put everyone else over at that point which was obviously what he was there to do. Made the match feel like less of a big deal. I could also see an argument being made for HBK's retirement match.

[#1-norm-fan]

As for the three years prior, Hogan vs Rock SHOULD have been. I think most of us agree putting Jericho vs HHH on as the main event was a bad idea for the exact reason I've been talking about.

[XL]

http://www.pwponderings.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/yano.png

My wife just figuratively pissed herself when she saw this.

[Bad News Gertner]

Not anything against anything you said, I just wanted to point out that Toru Yano could get over in the US if he was booked as he is in Japan (IE Japanese Eddie Guerrero).

He'd be a Jap Brodeus Clau

[#1-norm-fan]

Brodus Clay was an awesome midcard fun babyface until they just started feeding him to everyone.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

I'm ripping this off from another forum post because it's funny and true

here's why Roman is great :

If you don't watch RAW and only read the recaps, you only have to watch him get booe'd out of the building once a month, while the commentators are struggling to make him look popular

it's like watching Curb Your Enthusiasm, but in wrestling

[RP]

Agree on they should have pulled the trigger sooner at least in regards to a tag title reign and using it to boost their star power for something bigger in the future. WWE being petty against Demoltion ended up hurting them a lot.

Cass is probably a few years away from becoming a potential big star and think if they separate before then, its going to just be a repeat of the Cryme Tyme situation. WWE favored Shad a lot more than JTG but quickly lost all interest in him because his solo run was failing or moving slower than they wanted after the split.

I disagree on the 2 year thing. The guy has really improved in the last year. They have to do something fast with him. Dont let him be just another big man. He has so much potential. I really like Cass over Strauman.

[RP]

WWE looks as if they've tried to reward him a bit with this break out feud with Rusev, but it's really not enough. He deserves a little more. They got to get him going towards the top somehow. They cant let the dude turn bland and then decide to push him.

[XL]

"the whole storyline was supposed to lead to the debut of Scott Vick (formerly WCW's Sick Boy) as Katie's avenging brother. Instead, the reception was so bad that WWE decided to abandon the entire thing altogether. HHH beat Kane, Katie Vick was never brought up again, and Scott Vick was let go without ever making it to TV."

Never heard this about the Katie Vick angle before.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Give him the battle royal win, and a shot at the US title as the prize. Build him up to cash in for the belt at the next brand exclusive show and then have him go on a tear.

[Emperor Smeat]

It didn't help that Fandango got concussed a month after.

The way the WWE could have kept Fandangoing "Hot" would be to have Fandango yell at the crowd and tell them to stop, etc.
Yeah getting hurt early into his push didn't help but WWE pretty much lost all interest in him even though he was only out for a couple of weeks.

[Emperor Smeat]

http://68.media.tumblr.com/d78525a094afa2c658b3bf0e15c29709/tumblr_okdcs7SRPQ1u1ljrzo1_500.gif

[#1-norm-fan]

It didn't help that Fandango got concussed a month after.

The way the WWE could have kept Fandangoing "Hot" would be to have Fandango yell at the crowd and tell them to stop, etc.

Yeah getting hurt early into his push didn't help but WWE pretty much lost all interest in him even though he was only out for a couple of weeks.

They managed to ruin the Fandangoing thing and make it corny and awkward like a week later. By the time he was out injured, there was no momentum to be ruined.

They've had plenty of opportunities where they could have done something with Fandango (including dropping the gimmick and actually pushing him because he's a fucking prototypical WWE superstar under it all... Fuck this company.)

[Droford]

Based on most of the "rumored plans" stuff I think I have WM figured out.

Rumble winner - Orton
AJ Styles retains
Owens retains
Charlotte Retains
HHH gets eliminated by Seth Rollins
Gallows and Anderson win Tag Titles
Stroman eliminates Undertaker

Bray Wyatt wins the WWE title at Elimination Chamber (vs Cena Ambrose Styles Corbin and Ziggler) Samoa Joe debuts and attacks Cena.
Goldberg beats Owens at Fast lane when Jericho interference backfires.
Finn Balor returns at Fast lane to help Gallows and Anderson retain vs Sheamus/Cesaro

AJ Styles is pissed off at Shane McMahon for making him defend the title in EC. The Miz is pissed at Daniel Bryan for not including him in the EC match...
Nikki Bella wins a SD Women's Championship Elimination Chamber match

Wrestlemania 33 Card
Goldberg © vs Lesnar Main Event Universal Title
Bray Wyatt © vs Randy Orton WWE Title
Chris Jericho © vs Kevin Owens US Title
New Day vs The Club (Gallows Anderson and Balor)
AJ Styles & The Miz vs Daniel Bryan & Shane McMahon
Nikki Bella © vs Mickie James SD Women's Title
Charlotte © vs Sasha Banks Raw Women's Title
John Cena vs Samoa Joe
Braun Strowman vs Undertaker
HHH vs Seth Rollins
Big Show vs Shaq
--
8 man Cobrand MITB Match Reigns vs Sheamus vs Cesaro vs Rusev vs Dean Ambrose vs Dolph Ziggler vs Luke Harper vs Baron Corbin (I couldn't figure how to get all of them on the card and it makes sense to have MITB be on a cobrand ppv vs having it be SD only)

[Emperor Smeat]

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[Sepholio]

Saw that story a few days ago. Figured security would be tighter at a wwe event lol.

In reference to AJ styles stuff getting stolen by hoodlums.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Nigel is doing the Kickoffshow.

[slik]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

He was champ for an extended stretch, wasn't he?

He was World Champ once he left the Cruiserweight Division, teamed with Eddie Guerrero, then feuded with Eddie Guerrero. The CW Division was a distant memory at that point.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Dolph Ziggler would be a great shout for this, in my opinion.

If the crowd is as smarky as I think it could be, he'll get heat when he walks out at #10. Then Dillinger can eliminate him at #11 to a huge pop. Sets the wheels in motion for a good feud, too.

Tye Dillinger vs. Dolph Ziggler is my personal pick for "feud I really want to happen right now." Dolph enters the Rumble #2 and then Tye enters #11 or 12. Jinder Mahal is the #10 entry and gets tossed by Tye without too much trouble. Tye then goes nose-to-nose with Ziggler and tells him that he owes King an apology. Dolph shrugs it off and then gets absolutely OWNED by Tye.

We've been here and done this with Dolph before. It's time he starts making new stars by doing what he does best -- getting his ass kicked. It also feeds into his current frustrated character. Tye whips him and then drops ten elbows on him, mocking the old pose Dolph used to do (similar to Tye's "10" actually) and then tosses out Zigs and makes him kiss Jerry Lawler's feet.

He triumphantly continues on in the Rumble as JBL asks "Haha! Who is this guy, Mackal?!?" and Cole informs us that he is "Tye Dillinger. The Perfect Ten -- inside the ring and outside it."

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Tye is 10 :mad:

[Mr. Nerfect]

That would be far too unlikely to work. Move him away from the #10 spot and give him a sincere run.

[screech]

Not sure which of the Rumble threads I should put this in, so I'll put it here "to be safe." I previewed the show on my latest podcast:

http://www.nextlevelradioonline.com/Podcast/Melting/MP72.mp3

[Emperor Smeat]

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[Jordan]

That wasn't funny.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm curious as to whether or not Gargano & Ciampa retain the NXT Tag Titles and have a great match at Takeover Mania in a good showing for the division, or if they lose the belts and split up so they can do the Gargano vs. Ciampa match at their big show.

[Emperor Smeat]

Probably the best to keep them together if they lose the belts tonight (or in the near future) because I don't think NXT has any regular big face teams left after them. Only other big face team was TM-61 and they are going to be out for a while.

Wouldn't even split them on NXT since they are going to have a lot more value as a team than as separate guys for call-ups.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I do get the "we could use teams" argument, but I personally think they are going to be more interesting as singles guys. But I would split them up on the main roster after you've given them some shine in one of the divisions. Honestly, RAW could probably use them a lot more than SmackDown.

[slik]

Sneak Peak at the Royal Rumble set


http://i.imgur.com/cmof7tY.jpg

[Sixx]

wow, i just read chris jericho is gonna be suspended in a shark cage above the ring during owens' match.

not as stupid as judy bagwell on a pole, but they're getting there.

[#1-norm-fan]

The whole "manager being suspended in a shark cage above the ring" has been done for decades. It's not that stupid.

[Sixx]

i don't recall ever seeing one.

so is the point of the match to free the guy or he's just hanging there not to interfere? cause there are easier ways to make sure he doesn't.

[Rammsteinmad]

He's just hanging there so as not to interfere. Obviously if this was a legit sport they'd be easier ways... but the shark cage concept pretty much just guarantees that at some point we'll see some sort of shenanigans.

[Droford]

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[Droford]

2000 RR

Tag team table match

Lawler mentions something about Dudleys playing with erector sets as kids after they set up tables on steps
"There's going to be some erection destruction right here" JR as Jeff gets put through the table

[#1-norm-fan]

I remember Paul Bearer being in one for a Taker-Mankind match. Also, Jerry Lawler was in one for a Bret Hart-Issac Yankem match back in the day. Those are the only WWE ones I remember.

[Droford]

Takeover Toronto had Paul Ellering in one for the AOP match

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/MZmA6Uey4WE/maxresdefault.jpg

[#1-norm-fan]

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lol Goddammit, I love Cornette.

"Can you be bribed??"

[Droford]

Lol Andy Richter is judging the Miss Rumble 2000 contest and I forgot The Kat was WWF women's champion

[Droford]

Royal Rumble thought

#1 & #2 should conspire to work together to continually eliminate wrestlers immediately as they enter the ring instead of fighting each other so they can be the last 2 and 50/50 chance of winning

[Droford]

Lol Rikishi with the first 5 elimination in RR 2000

[Droford]

Blackman #6

[Droford]

Bah gawd its Fatu vs Mabel

#7

[Droford]

Lol dead wrestler 4 in a row Vis Bossman Test Bulldog
Gangrel breaks up the dead pool
Edge..backlund..

Then all 6 dump Rikishi lol

Jericho in..HOF run or future

Dead #5 crash..#6 Chyna

HOF again Farooq
Road dogg breaks everything up again
Al Snow.."went to TNA run" coming?
Val Venis TNA 3

Its Albert! Now Hardcore Bob Holly. And the Rock
Its the Assman..dun dun..Big Show.....jbl in..and out

That's gotta be Kane..Godfather..HOF (in or will be) run again..#4

And..lastly...Xpac

Lol X Pac in final 4 with Show Kane and Rock and he pulled a 97 austin..and now he gone

Rock wins..meh

[Droford]

Big Show looks as good now as he did in 2000

Also odd that Big Show Jericho and Mosh have wrestled recently of everyone and 6 have died

[Droford]

Watching monster trucks from the Alamo Dome that was taped earlier this week and all I could think of was the WCW stuff they did with monster trucks lol

[Cool King]

I came across some show about cats being funny as I was channel surfing and the subject was some cat who is "famous" on Instagram but they accidentally showed Natalya's cat on Instagram instead.

[Emperor Smeat]

https://68.media.tumblr.com/75df731db12108bc864660c7df427c8a/tumblr_okis5aO9kr1saykaxo1_400.gif

[Lock Jaw]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2_oHl5WIAAIluI?format=jpg&name=medium

[Cool King]

https://s27.postimg.org/lkybkm4df/image.png

[Damian Rey 2.0]

That haircut does wonders for Braun's look. Both guys slimmed down. Big Show looks great

[BigCrippyZ]

No doubt they both look smaller and in better shape. That being said, they're also both a lot further apart and zoomed out further on both guys in the newer 2017 photos.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3TknQZW8AEavUL.jpg:large

[Droford]

That haircut does wonders for Braun's look. Both guys slimmed down. Big Show looks great

Weird thing is it looks like Big Show grew from the first to second pic

[slik]

This is a real wikipedia page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persona_and_reception_of_Roman_Reigns

Did owenbrown edit this?

[Emperor Smeat]

https://68.media.tumblr.com/b29b1eaa90f5929893cabe814ab8c129/tumblr_okknso8RZC1saykaxo1_400.gif

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[Sixx]

who's the ginger with the umbrella?

[Emperor Smeat]

Jack Gallagher from the Cruiser division.

[Gerard]

Weird thing is it looks like Big Show grew from the first to second pic

Because he's not leaning forward in the second pic, plus weight-loss makes him look taller and his posture looks straighter. Not all that weird really :)

[XL]

Feels like they've got the PPVs backwards and Raw should have the Chamber and SDL Fast Lane.

If you put SDL's top 6 guys in the EC, let's say Cena, AJ, Corbin, Ambrose, Wyatt, Miz that's a very thin under card. You could do Orton vs. Harper, a Tag Title Match, a Women's title (perhaps an EC for that too), then you're on to guys like Crews, Kalisto, etc that don't feel like PPV attractions.

Meanwhile on Raw there's more depth and a lot of converging paths in the title scene where you could put the title on the line or do the EC for a shot as they didn't have the Rumble winner. You'd still have a Raw Women's title match, US Title, Tag Team championship match, Cruiser title match and enough undercard to put on a decent show.

[Cool King]

https://s30.postimg.org/49zwupexd/1485757564645.jpg

[Emperor Smeat]

Feels like they've got the PPVs backwards and Raw should have the Chamber and SDL Fast Lane.

If you put SDL's top 6 guys in the EC, let's say Cena, AJ, Corbin, Ambrose, Wyatt, Miz that's a very thin under card. You could do Orton vs. Harper, a Tag Title Match, a Women's title (perhaps an EC for that too), then you're on to guys like Crews, Kalisto, etc that don't feel like PPV attractions.

Meanwhile on Raw there's more depth and a lot of converging paths in the title scene where you could put the title on the line or do the EC for a shot as they didn't have the Rumble winner. You'd still have a Raw Women's title match, US Title, Tag Team championship match, Cruiser title match and enough undercard to put on a decent show.

Whatever the pool is for the next batch of callups, Smackdown really needs to get the most for depth reasons. For example, if they got both Joe and Dillinger, their midcard and main event scene gets a really good boost at the same time.

Was ok when RAW got more draft picks because of the extra hour but then they quickly got a bigger boost with the Cruiser division while all Smackdown got was Jack Swagger I think.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Big Show actually looks fantastic. Good on him for putting in the hard yards.

[Cool King]

Reactions to Reigns being #30.

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[Maluco]

Feels like they've got the PPVs backwards and Raw should have the Chamber and SDL Fast Lane.

If you put SDL's top 6 guys in the EC, let's say Cena, AJ, Corbin, Ambrose, Wyatt, Miz that's a very thin under card. You could do Orton vs. Harper, a Tag Title Match, a Women's title (perhaps an EC for that too), then you're on to guys like Crews, Kalisto, etc that don't feel like PPV attractions.

Meanwhile on Raw there's more depth and a lot of converging paths in the title scene where you could put the title on the line or do the EC for a shot as they didn't have the Rumble winner. You'd still have a Raw Women's title match, US Title, Tag Team championship match, Cruiser title match and enough undercard to put on a decent show.

Are Smackdown specials 2 or 3 hours?

You have the chamber, an Orton defence, Ziggler vs Crews, Lynch vs Mickie, Bliss vs Naomi, a tag title match, they will manage.

But yeah, roster is pencil thin. I know they value NXT, but Bobby Roode is 40. They need to get these guys up and get use out of them while they can.

[The CyNick]

Are Smackdown specials 2 or 3 hours?

You have the chamber, an Orton defence, Ziggler vs Crews, Lynch vs Mickie, Bliss vs Naomi, a tag title match, they will manage.

But yeah, roster is pencil thin. I know they value NXT, but Bobby Roode is 40. They need to get these guys up and get use out of them while they can.

It's not like Roode is dying. He could have five to ten years left.

[Emperor Smeat]

Are Smackdown specials 2 or 3 hours?

You have the chamber, an Orton defence, Ziggler vs Crews, Lynch vs Mickie, Bliss vs Naomi, a tag title match, they will manage.

But yeah, roster is pencil thin. I know they value NXT, but Bobby Roode is 40. They need to get these guys up and get use out of them while they can.

3 hour ppvs just like RAW branded ones.

[Cool King]

I've just realised that last night was the first Royal Rumble that Kane didn't make an appearance at.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

It's not like Roode is dying. He could have five to ten years left.

Think the idea is you're potentially wasting miles on an already experienced wrestler, who you could very much use on your main show.

I tend to agree. Roode is main show ready and he'd fit right in on Smackdown.

[Lock Jaw]

In many ways he seems like he doesn't belong on NXT because his style is already that of the main roster, which is quite different than NXT's style.

[Destor]

Watching all of nxt on the app.

In 2014

Emma. Wtf is this. Awful worker too.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

She's good when working heel.

[Big Vic]

I've just realised that last night was the first Royal Rumble that Kane didn't make an appearance at.

He didn't make an appearance in the rumble when he faced John Cena earlier in the night.

[Maluco]

It's not like Roode is dying. He could have five to ten years left.

History has shown that you can't rely on guys after their mid forties he really to still be putting on high quality matches.

You want to get a guys best years in the best shows, and they are running out of time to do that

[#1-norm-fan]

He didn't make an appearance in the rumble when he faced John Cena earlier in the night.

Think he meant the event, not the match itself. Kane (with one gimmick or another) had appeared at 21 straight Royal Rumble events before this one.

[Bad News Gertner]

WWF Did You Know: Ted Dibase and IRS weren't the original plans for Money Inc. It was going to to HBK and DiBiase with Sherri being the common link

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Would have not worked at all

[Bad News Gertner]

Nope, but Michaels was floundering as a singles star at the time, especially with Jannetty fired right when their angle was starting. He didn't really have a lot to do.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Pretty much only picked up steam when Bulldog left and they had that barnburner on SNME

[Rammsteinmad]

It irks me how they keep referring to it as "Royal Rumble" and not "the Royal Rumble".

[Rammsteinmad]

Thank fuck my life's priorities are in check.

[Big Vic]

Has anyone been released by the WWE more times than Jannetty?

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

What's more impressive is how often he was re hired

[Cool King]

Think he meant the event, not the match itself.

That I did.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Has anyone been released by the WWE more times than Jannetty?

Yes

Captain Lou
Iron Sheik.
Terry Taylor-as a wrestler and producer/agent.

[The CyNick]

History has shown that you can't rely on guys after their mid forties he really to still be putting on high quality matches.

You want to get a guys best years in the best shows, and they are running out of time to do that

HBK had a couple good years in his 40s

[XL]

Is Roode in the same conversation as HBK?

[The CyNick]

Is Roode in the same conversation as HBK?

In this conversation, he is.

[Destor]

Cynick brings up a good point. Rhoode is = HBM

Glad we settled that

[Maluco]

HBK had a couple good years in his 40s

I think he is the exception that proves the rule! They need to get Roode up now and stop wasting time in developmental when Smackdown is crying out for guys.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Roode doesn't seem to fit in NXT because his gimmick is too big for it. In my opinion. I think he should be in Kevin Owens' position.

[Wishbone]

Roode doesn't seem to fit in NXT because his gimmick is too big for it. In my opinion. I think he should be in Kevin Owens' position.

Honestly after seeing Owens go up against Braun last night I really wanna see him get a babyface run. I think the dude could really pull it off. Unfortunately I feel like RAW is too busy now to fit Roode in, and even if you somehow found a place for him there you'd still have to find a way to turn Kevin and get Roode into that spot without it coming off as extremely forced. Personally I think the most natural place for Roode on the main roster would be Smackdown.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Right now RAW would be bad for Roode, but right not is not great on SmackDown either. Unless you have Roode destroy Dean Ambrose and then face John Cena for the Intercontinental Title at Mania or something. Not that thrilling and steps on a few toes, since they don't have much planned for Styles at the moment either.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'd like to see Seth Rollins vs. Samoa Joe for the Universal Title at WrestleMania now, with Triple H working as Joe's manager. The odds of this happening? HAHAHA no, but I think that's a match for that belt that I'd actually like to see.

[Sixx]

I think he is the exception that proves the rule! They need to get Roode up now and stop wasting time in developmental when Smackdown is crying out for guys.

not talking about your post specifically, but this is the dumbest fucking saying ever.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I used to think so, until you work out that exceptions being exceptions actually do prove the widespread applicability of rules.

[Droford]

http://i.imgur.com/iuAgbkf.jpg

[Sixx]

I used to think so, until you work out that exceptions being exceptions actually do prove the widespread applicability of rules.

i will murder you in the face

[Mr. Nerfect]

The Undertaker looked like shit at the Royal Rumble. :( Roman Reigns is a bad visual match for him.

[DAMN iNATOR]

So, just wondering, are we going to see Asuka make her main roster debut before WM 33 or will it probably be @ or after the biggest show of the year? Any consensus opinions or anything? I think she could add yet another much needed boost to the SD! LIVE Women's roster, but am afraid they are probably going to waste time with her and wait until Mania or after for her to debut, possibly dropping the belt to whomever at NXT TakeOver: Orlando.

[#1-norm-fan]

History has shown that you can't rely on guys after their mid forties he really to still be putting on high quality matches.

You want to get a guys best years in the best shows, and they are running out of time to do that

HBK had a couple good years in his 40s

[#1-norm-fan]

Where the fuck is STD to correct shit when it actually needs correcting??

[Droford]

Kenny Omega Six Star Club Shirt (http://www.prowrestlingtees.com/six-star-club.html)

[Emperor Smeat]

http://i.imgur.com/YOLiKmN.gif

[The CyNick]

I think he is the exception that proves the rule! They need to get Roode up now and stop wasting time in developmental when Smackdown is crying out for guys.

Flair probably had a few good matches in his 40s

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

The Force is Strong with Stroman.

[Droford]

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Stan took that SCM like a perfect 10.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Flair probably had a few good matches in his 40s

Bobby Heenan appreciates your being fair to Flair

[Droford]

Flair probably had a few good matches in his 40s

Royal Rumble 92 stands out

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Royal Rumble 92 stands out

see post above ;-)

[Droford]

Turned 40 in 1989
Flair vs Steamboat wrestlewar 89(Voted match off the year)
Flair vs Sting Starcade 89
Flair wins the 1992 Rumble
Flair vs Savage WM 8
Flair vs Vader Starcade 93
Flair vs Steamboat Spring Stampede 94

So a couple highly respected matches til he was like 45. Past that middle to late 90s WCW wasn't really conducive to Flair having good matchrs..

[Emperor Smeat]

Maluco is sort of right about not relying on older wrestlers as your main source for high profile matches at least in a modern WWE sense.

Historically it used to be the real big pushes and money making moments didn't happen till your late 30s but almost no company had as tough of a touring schedule as the WWE especially in modern times. Way too much wear & tear from it which affects older wrestlers a lot more.

WWE's current trend for high profile matches to be a lot more high tempo and hard hitting also does no favor for older guys without needing to go in the part-timer route. Not even Cena is immune to this which is why he's been more of a part-timer in recent years because the wear & tear started to affect him a lot.

Doesn't mean older stars can't produce great matches anymore but your going to be very limited on how many they can produce before breaking down (ex. Sting) or need long breaks (ex. Taker) in the WWE. Roode being 40 means his shelf life for top quality matches is going to be small and same goes for Nakamura and other older stars from NXT.

[Emperor Smeat]

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[Cool King]

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[Emperor Smeat]

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[Sixx]

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[slik]

Bryan Alvarez mentioned on Wrestling Observer podcast that research from F4W/WO writer Paul Fontaine found that Raw has lost 46% of its audience since moving to 3 hours.

[slik]

Vintage Elizabeth


http://www.wrestlingscans.com/album/Magazines/WWE-WWF%20Magazine/April%201988/slides/54.jpg

[Cool King]

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