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[Mr. Nerfect]

I've been thinking about the WWE's business plan for the WWE Network. Do you think the WWE have done the right things with it so far? Did they launch it too early, with too much content? Not enough?

[Emperor Smeat]

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According to an email received by Bryan Alvarez on Thursday night, a long-time WWE employee believes that Bayley is “so ungodly over, especially with little girls,” that if she were to start granting wishes through Make-A-Wish, “she will destroy John Cena.”

Bayley’s T-Shirt is also the highest selling diva merchandise at the moment beating out all of The Bella Twins merchandise.
Lead to a long article by F4W about the real key to the Divas Revolution might not be the three that got called up for the Revolution storyline but instead Bayley if the goal is to change the perception of women's wrestling in WWE. For some comparisons about current merch sales, the Bellas have around 89 items to buy while the other Divas combined are around 69 items (think Bayley has around 4).

WWE has shown that it cannot properly execute a “revolution,” but perhaps it’s not too late to change the way it views and treats women. A major (and necessary) alteration would be to reevaluate just to whom they are trying to appeal. If the answer is young girls, then having Bayley at the forefront of the division is as good a place to start as any. With the right approach, she can and will sell t-shirts and wristbands by the truckload.
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We noted before that Becky Lynch vs. Emma vs. Charlotte vs. Dana Brooke at the WWE NXT TV tapings held before "Takeover: Brooklyn" saw the finish botched as Charlotte was supposed to win but Emma won. All four Divas and referee Drake Wuertz were all worried when they got backstage but there was no heat on them. Wuertz was assured that it's his job to count the pinfalls no matter what and he did the right thing. The Divas were said to be very upset after the match, especially Becky.

As noted, former WWE NXT star CJ Parker is headed to New Japan Pro Wrestling as Juice Robinson. This comes after Parker announced on Twitter that he was retiring but was just referring to that CJ Parker character. Apparently WWE Performance Center coach Matt Bloom (Tensai, Jason Albert) helped Parker get the NJPW job when he decided to leave WWE. Parker is set to be pushed in NJPW's junior heavyweight division along with Matt Sydal, the former Evan Bourne.

On a related note, Hulk Hogan's status as a WWE Hall of Famer has been speculated on since WWE scrubbed him from their history when the racist comments scandal broke this summer. Even though Hogan is not listed in the Hall of Fame on WWE's website, word is that they have not made a decision yet on whether or not he is officially in the Hall.
Supposedly the WWE rejected a recent plea/apology by Hogan to get his status reinstated within the WWE.

Internally, WWE sent out word that absolutely no one should comment about the incident yesterday at the WWE Performance Center publicly via social media or if they are asked. WWE wants any information to come from the local authorities.

Phillymag.com reports that the city of Philadelphia has submitted a bid to host WWE's WrestleMania 34 in 2018. The city is reportedly looking at hosting the event at Lincoln Financial Field with RAW and NXT held at the Wells Fargo Center and the WrestleMania Axxess held at the Pennsylvania Convention Center.

Ring of Honor has announced that former WWE, WCW and ECW star Stevie Richards will be making his ROH debut against current ROH World & Television Champion Jay Lethal on Saturday, September 26th in Lockport, NY.

Recently on WOOOOO! Nation with Ric Flair, "the Nature Boy" spoke with "Stone Cold" Steve Austin. During the interview, Flair and Austin discussed Triple H vs. Sting from WrestleMania 31 and went on to talk about who in the WWE may be a great new opponent for Sting.

With respect to the WrestleMania 31 match between Triple H and Sting, Austin said he could not believe that WWE brought Sting in only for Triple H to beat him.

"I thought, 'man, you bring Sting in here and you beat him?' Man, do something where it looks like you're going to do the screwjob, but then something happens and [Sting] goes over on Triple H, who we all love," Austin said. "If you're going to bring Sting in, put him over."

"I didn't like that, myself," Flair added.

Flair said he would have liked to have seen Sting wrestle Kane at WrestleMania 31 instead of Triple H and went on to say that Kevin Owens should be Sting's opponent at WrestleMania 32.

"Now that I've seen this other kid, Kevin Owens, Kevin Owens who is a legitimate heel would be a great opponent for [Sting] in Dallas," Flair said. "Owens has enough steam on him now and he actually is a heel."

On a recent edition of Wooo! Nation, WWE Hall of Famer Ric Flair did confirm that Bray Wyatt's sister Mika Rotunda was trying out for a spot in the WWE. However, Flair noted that she was trying out as a ring announcer, not a wrestler.

There were rumblings within TNA last week about more employees being paid late but apparently the company has been catching those people up this week. These delays were blamed on the TNA legal department and the payroll department moving from Texas to Nashville. Both departments were previously housed with TNA parent company Panda Energy in Texas but they are now moving to Nashville with the rest of the TNA offices. Apparently payroll was just moved from Nashville to Texas earlier this year and it's already moving back. This could be a sign that Panda is pushing TNA away or that TNA is moving away from Panda on their own.
Article by PWI has more details about the internal changes going on with TNA at the moment: http://pwinsider.com/article/96314/internal-changes-within-tna.html?p=1

[Mr. Nerfect]

I worry that if they jam Bayley down throats, she's just going to wear as thin as John Cena though. Presentation is really important when it comes to top faces, and you have to feel like they are achieving everything they are getting on their own. Keep Bayley on NXT until main crowds are chanting "WE WANT BAYLEY!" at the top of their lungs. In the meantime, have her seriously tested in NXT by her former trainer, Sara Amato. There's a huge emotional arc to exploit there. After that, move Bayley onto Sarah Stock (or whatever they want her WWE ring name to be) before they move her completely behind the scenes. Then bring in Rosita as Sarah's prize student to succeed where her mentor had failed. In the meantime, show Kanna in the audience watching all the matches.

I dunno -- just take your time with Bayley.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The more time that passes between it and now, the less I can justify Triple H going over Sting at WrestleMania 31. The same can be said for Cena vs. Wyatt at WrestleMania XXX. And even Wyatt vs. Taker at Mania 31.

[#1-norm-fan]

We noted before that Becky Lynch vs. Emma vs. Charlotte vs. Dana Brooke at the WWE NXT TV tapings held before "Takeover: Brooklyn" saw the finish botched as Charlotte was supposed to win but Emma won. All four Divas and referee Drake Wuertz were all worried when they got backstage but there was no heat on them. Wuertz was assured that it's his job to count the pinfalls no matter what and he did the right thing. The Divas were said to be very upset after the match, especially Becky.

Wasn't there a Smackdown match a few weeks ago where Charlotte was supposed to win against Naomi but didn't kick out in time? She's gotta fix that...

[#1-norm-fan]

Also, Kane would have been a perfect opponent for Sting at WrestleMania last year if the story wasn't set up from the start so that it HAD to be Triple H. Kane's a guy you could use to put Sting over without fucking up his credibility. He's in a "solid" position to where he's not REALLY a jobber but he's also doesn't really have a "future" that needs to be protected.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Triple H vs. Sting was the right call, but it was the wrong finish. The start of the match was great, but they lost it in the overbooking. Sting looks good, Triple H cheats a little and beats down Sting. Cue Sting comeback, Triple H begs off, uses heel shenanigans to make a comeback. Maybe there's one Pedigree and Sting kicks out. Triple H punches referee, goes to get the sledgehammer. Triple H goes to nail Sting, but he gets a baseball bat instead. Scorpion Death Drop, new referee down...1-2-3.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Kevin Owens vs. Sting would be amazing actually. Or Owens & someone vs. Sting & Sami Zayn.

[Emperor Smeat]

Observer speculated the stuff involving Ziggler yesterday on RAW might be based on a real life incident involving someone in Creative. Mostly because of how odd it came off on tv and the feeling this wasn't something planned for the feud but someone seeing their chance to vent a bit with the twist.

Believes Ziggler was representing the real life guy trying to explain his side of the story or him doing nothing wrong.

[Mr. Nerfect]

HA! It came off more to me like the WWE trying to capture the sizzling aspects of the Attitude era, but not really knowing how to keep it PG at the same time. These alleged adults come off as really childish as a result, and it severs their connections with audiences.

Although I did laugh at Summer saying "...And this is when I realized Dolph was trying to seduce me..."

[Mr. Nerfect]

Seriously, can't these four people just want to fight each other?

[Droford]

Rusev and Dolph have to become a tag team and ditch the women

[#1-norm-fan]

Triple H vs. Sting was the right call, but it was the wrong finish. The start of the match was great, but they lost it in the overbooking. Sting looks good, Triple H cheats a little and beats down Sting. Cue Sting comeback, Triple H begs off, uses heel shenanigans to make a comeback. Maybe there's one Pedigree and Sting kicks out. Triple H punches referee, goes to get the sledgehammer. Triple H goes to nail Sting, but he gets a baseball bat instead. Scorpion Death Drop, new referee down...1-2-3.

Looking back, there was no way Triple H wasn't gonna put himself over in that match. That's why I think maybe going in another direction with someone who has enough of a name to where it's not a COMPLETELY lopsided match but also doesn't stand to lose much from jobbing to STING would have been a better call.

[Big Vic]

Should have been Sting vs Rollins at mania, Orton vs HHH. Have the old guy put over the new guy, Piss break during Orton vs HHH, Orton finally gets a singles win over HHH.

[The CyNick]

Triple H vs. Sting was the right call, but it was the wrong finish. The start of the match was great, but they lost it in the overbooking. Sting looks good, Triple H cheats a little and beats down Sting. Cue Sting comeback, Triple H begs off, uses heel shenanigans to make a comeback. Maybe there's one Pedigree and Sting kicks out. Triple H punches referee, goes to get the sledgehammer. Triple H goes to nail Sting, but he gets a baseball bat instead. Scorpion Death Drop, new referee down...1-2-3.

Sometimes people miss the bigger picture.

The way WWE told the HHH v Sting story was this was the Monday Night Wars revisited and come back to life. This was done in part to sell one of the major features of the WWE Network. Which is the #1 priority for WWE through the rest of the decade.

Plus Kane isn't on the same level as HHH star power wise. Kane v Sting would have come off as far less of a high profile match. Would have been a good Survivor Series match, not a featured fight at Mania.

Back to the Monday Night Wars. Anytime you do something that pits the WWE brand vs the WCW brand, the WWE brand should always win. WWE should never be in the business of making those 3 letters inferior to any other brand. No matter who currenyly owns the other brands. It's just poor brand management to create a story where WCW rises from the ashes and beats WWE.

The angle also set up this current Sting storyline which plays into the larger and more important angle of Rollins v HHH. Rollins now has another challenge to face to prove his worth to HHH. Another thing that HHH already did that Rollins has to live up to. He's constantly trying to step out of the shadow that HHH casts as a mentor and a boss.

Sting winning would have been a nice moment for Sting, but HHH is the weekly character. Sting is going to have maybe 2-3 more matches in his WWE run. Putting over Sting would have been a mistake because there is no long term gain. Good on WWE to see the bigger picture.

[Big Vic]

WWE should never be in the business of making those 3 letters inferior to any other brand. No matter who currenyly owns the other brands. It's just poor brand management to create a story where WCW rises from the ashes and beats WWE.

I disagree the only time WCW had success was when it had the 2 WWF guys come over and make all the WCW stars look like fools against them.

Also, the feud should not have been about WWE vs WCW. Sting himself said that was stupid

[Gerard]

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Unusual to see Andre having to run the gauntlet so to speak to get to the ring. :wtf:

[The CyNick]

I disagree the only time WCW had success was when it had the 2 WWF guys come over and make all the WCW stars look like fools against them.

Also, the feud should not have been about WWE vs WCW. Sting himself said that was stupid

The NWO literally makes the point I'm talking about WCW was careless with their brand image. NWO was cool WCW was uncool. They made a one night attempt to rebrand (they should have gone all the way with that) and then got cold feet because of one rating. They went on to devalue the NWO brand making it less cool than it was. But they did damage so much damage to the WCW brand it hurt them down the line

The storyline that should have been used fir Sting v HHH is up for debate. Point is they went with the Monday Night Wars angle to have a high profile way to promote an important aspect of the Network. Given the storyline idea they came up with, the outcome was the right one.

[Big Vic]

But if WCW had Nash and Hall job on their way in because "WCW has to look better than the WWF" then the nWo would have just be a miniscule footnote on the story of WCW. Not the ratings winner.

[The CyNick]

But if WCW had Nash and Hall job on their way in because "WCW has to look better than the WWF" then the nWo would have just be a miniscule footnote on the story of WCW. Not the ratings winner.

Was Sting planning to start a 5 year run on the road with WWE or was he there for 1 or 2 shots? Do you now see how your comparison makes no sense?

[Big Vic]

I'm not talking about stings case I'm talking about how you said "Brand A should always look better than Brand B if they are owned by Brand A"

[Big Vic]

In the case of Sting vs HHH its a wash, Sting winning made more sense storyline wise since after the match HHH seemed to drift away anyways.

However the is still more money to be made out of HHH than there is to be made out of Sting.

Financially it makes sense for HHH to go over.

[Emperor Smeat]

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[SlickyTrickyDamon]

kickout at 2?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Sometimes people miss the bigger picture.

The way WWE told the HHH v Sting story was this was the Monday Night Wars revisited and come back to life. This was done in part to sell one of the major features of the WWE Network. Which is the #1 priority for WWE through the rest of the decade.

Plus Kane isn't on the same level as HHH star power wise. Kane v Sting would have come off as far less of a high profile match. Would have been a good Survivor Series match, not a featured fight at Mania.

Back to the Monday Night Wars. Anytime you do something that pits the WWE brand vs the WCW brand, the WWE brand should always win. WWE should never be in the business of making those 3 letters inferior to any other brand. No matter who currenyly owns the other brands. It's just poor brand management to create a story where WCW rises from the ashes and beats WWE.

The angle also set up this current Sting storyline which plays into the larger and more important angle of Rollins v HHH. Rollins now has another challenge to face to prove his worth to HHH. Another thing that HHH already did that Rollins has to live up to. He's constantly trying to step out of the shadow that HHH casts as a mentor and a boss.

Sting winning would have been a nice moment for Sting, but HHH is the weekly character. Sting is going to have maybe 2-3 more matches in his WWE run. Putting over Sting would have been a mistake because there is no long term gain. Good on WWE to see the bigger picture.

Except they're now using Sting in a title match. Whoops.

Also, Sting vs. Triple H should NEVER have been about WCW vs. WWE. Why the fuck would Sting come to fight for WCW's pride and honor FOURTEEN YEARS after the company has sank? He clearly showed up because he had a problem with the abuse of power The Authority was wielding. At least, that should have been the reason he came back.

They also ran the nWo out there who were Sting's mortal enemies. Trust me, I've tried to rationalize this like you have, but it's just too much work and glossing over history to try and sell history. It was bad. Then Triple H came out in a suit later for a promo in the middle of the ring. Great war, dude.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Ric Flair has also come out and said he was not a fan of it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The money may not be in Sting working every PPV -- but there would be more mystique, more credibility and more excitement behind every performance he didn't lose his first match and then shake hands with the guy he apparently started a war with.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Jim Cornette has also come out and said he was not a fan of it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm sure Hiroshi Tanahashi was not a fan of it.

[Emperor Smeat]

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According to this week’s episode of the WOOOOO! Nation podcast, Ric Flair stated that Bray Wyatt is currently dealing with a shoulder injury. Wyatt’s in ring time has been limited as of late, but he did work a dark match at Tuesday’s SmackDown tapings. WWE has not commented on Wyatt’s status.

I noted last week that 4-6 new talents were expected to start at the WWE Performance Center this month or next month. Two of those talents were waiting to pass physicals and have been talked about a lot online lately - Biff Busick and Rich Swann. Word now is that they are indeed signed to the company and expected to start in October. The whole "waiting for physicals" story may have just been a ruse put out.

WWE is also looking for Latino referees and New Jersey indie talent Bandido Jr. has either signed already or is very close to signing with the company. He will be working as a referee.

Regarding the other indie talents expected to start with WWE soon, I was told that top stars Johnny Gargano, Drew Gulak and Chuck Taylor are about to sign deals.

Apparently there was a push within WWE at one point for Roman Reigns to be on the cover of the upcoming WWE 2K16 video game. However, there was a feeling that Steve Austin would mean more for the game when it came to promoting it, so they went with him.

2K Sports sources noted to The Wrestling Observer Newsletter that John Cena is the best out of any other WWE talent when they have them do the unscripted old-school style interviews with bullet points. They also said the Superstar who can hang with Cena on the old-school promos is Xavier Woods.

The Monday, August 31 edition of WWE Raw did the best numbers for the show since June 15 of this year -- likely due a boost coming from the buzz created by the show the previous Monday.

The show did 3.89 million viewers, up 170,000 from the show the day after SummerSlam. The audience stayed relatively steady throughout the show.

The three hours were:
* 8 p.m. 3.87 million viewers
* 9 p.m. 3.99 million viewers
* 10 p.m. 3.83 million viewers
Probably the last good rating and viewership show for the rest of the year now that football season starts next week.

For the first time in American history, a company sold out an NBA arena three straight nights when WWE was at the Barclays Center in Brooklyn last week. They announced 15,589 fans for NXT "Takeover: Brooklyn", 15,702 fans for SummerSlam and 15,597 fans for RAW. It should be noted that the arena was set up for just 13,438 fans. There could have been more seats released at the last minute but not more than a few hundred. WWE usually adds around 2,000 to their public attendance announcements and word is that there were actually a little over 13,000 fans in attendance each night.
Probably the one time the WWE didn't need to actually fib the numbers since they had already legit broke a record.


Some other sheet news includes:

WrestlingDVDNetwork managed to get the official preview trailer for Owen Hart's upcoming DVD release. Video itself is unlisted likely because the WWE would take it down since it wasn't meant for official release yet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIUiWmaX1cg
Tyler Breeze is currently selling some of his match worn NXT gear on eBay. http://www.ebay.com/itm/191679535367
Chris Jericho revealed he will be wrestling Kevin Owens for the upcoming MGS house show special on the WWE Network. https://twitter.com/IAmJericho/status/638935151381204992
Sports Illustrated had a recent article about their wishlist of indie guys they'd hope to get signed by the WWE in the near future. http://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2015/09/01/wwe-aj-styles-jay-lethal-indie-wrestlers
Daniel Bryan is currently supporting the #JustKeepDancing movement for the Pediatric Cancer Awareness and Connor's Cure charities. https://twitter.com/WWEDanielBryan/status/639134208946933760?s=03
Newest episode of TPWW's TLP podcast was released today. http://tablesladderspodcast.podbean.com/e/tables-ladders-podcast-119-090215/

[Lock Jaw]

Didn't Sting say he was fighting Triple H because he didn't respect him and thought he was a power-hungry megalomaniac who needed to be stopped (while everyone else ignored his stated reasons and said it was because of WCW vs WWE)

But now he is all respecting Triple H, and pretty much James Steeling him...

[Mr. Nerfect]

Imagine the heat Triple H/Seth Rollins tension they are trying to build would have if Rollins was trying to beat the guy that beat Triple H? As it stands, Rollins NEEDS to beat a guy that Triple H beat in order to be as good as the guy who stands around in a suit, even though he's meant to be the fucking champion.

They could have had Seth Rollins beat Sting, causing an insecure rift to develop between Triple H and Seth Rollins -- leading to Triple H turning on his prodigy and having clearly defined face/heel lines. As it stands, if Seth loses the World Title to Sting and Triple H and Stephanie McMahon drop him, how does Seth really have any sympathy or credibility?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Didn't Sting say he was fighting Triple H because he didn't respect him and thought he was a power-hungry megalomaniac who needed to be stopped (while everyone else ignored his stated reasons and said it was because of WCW vs WWE)

But now he is all respecting Triple H, and pretty much James Steeling him...

Yeah, but let's forget that to tell a story about the nWo vs. DX...because that will apparently sell the Network.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I love you CyNick, sorry; but I just refuse to accept Triple H going over was the right choice. And I don't blame Triple H. His NXT guys had the sense to put Jushin Liger over Tyler Breeze. Reports say that it was Sting's wish, but someone needed to tell that dude to shut the fuck up and make some money. Be humble when you're against a young guy in a few months.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Pleasantly surprised, and pleased, to learn that Xavier Woods might be the second best true promo in the company.

[Lock Jaw]

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What a ladies man....

[Lock Jaw]

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Meme

[Vastardikai]

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Meme

I thought he was Bill Kazmeier's love child with Eugene.

[Hanso Amore]

Let strauman kill everyone and then bring in the mountain to challenge him in hoss fest 2016

[Emperor Smeat]

Current card for the special MSG show on the Network next month:

* Brock Lesnar vs. Big Show

* WWE World Heavyweight Champion Seth Rollins vs. John Cena with just the WWE United States Title on the line

* Kevin Owens vs. Chris Jericho (changed from Owens vs. Cesaro)

* Rusev vs. Dolph Ziggler

* Sheamus vs. Randy Orton

* Appearances by The Dudley Boyz, Mark Henry, The New Day, Team Bella, Stardust and others

[Jura]

Didn't Sting say he was fighting Triple H because he didn't respect him and thought he was a power-hungry megalomaniac who needed to be stopped (while everyone else ignored his stated reasons and said it was because of WCW vs WWE)

But now he is all respecting Triple H, and pretty much James Steeling him...
Supposedly Sting was just playing mind games with Rollins to put a bigger wedge between him and HHH and I guess the rumors of Rollins vs HHH in the future could be true.

[Lock Jaw]

Apparently John Laurinitis now engaged to Mom Bella.....

[Jura]

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[Lock Jaw]

Nice family they found....

[Jura]

Looks like Dean is picturing himself having a family with Renee.

[NormanSmiley]

Current card for the special MSG show on the Network next month:


So basically summerslam on repeat

[Lock Jaw]

Apparently John Laurinitis now engaged to Mom Bella.....

Needs to be an angle with Big Johnny coming back to TV and behaving like 50s/60s sitcom dad to Daniel Bryan and John Cena.....

[Lock Jaw]

Can start calling Cena "Little Johnny" or "John Junior".

"Now Little Johnny, I told you... no title shot until you clean your locker room, mister! Maybe afterwards we can go play some catch, would you like that, sport?"

[Simple Fan]

rad jonny jon

[Droford]

Can start calling Cena "Little Johnny" or "John Junior".

"Now Little Johnny, I told you... no title shot until you clean your locker room, mister! Maybe afterwards we can go play some catch, would you like that, sport?"

With special guest appearance by little Jimmy

[Droford]

Madison Rayne and Josh Matthews got married

[Droford]

If I can win like $200 tomorrow playing blackjack I'm buying a front row ticket to Raw in baltimore on monday as I see one is available in the far corner by the ramp.

[Droford]

Sasha's Rachet Becky's Clank

sign idea..would need art and I can't draw so..ugh

[Mr. Nerfect]

Between Madison Rayne and Rue DeBona, Josh Mathews has had a pretty good run...

[Volare]

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What a ladies man....

Salt n Peppa, one of my favorite Wrestlemania acts of all time!!

[Cool King]

Anyone want a "Suplex City" Street Sign?

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[Big Vic]

* Brock Lesnar vs. Big ShowWHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?

[Cool King]

For a second there, I thought you were referencing the beginning of Big Show's theme.

Then I noticed it said "WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY" and now "WELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL".

[Cool King]

So these "Robot Hat Clips" are a thing.

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[Cool King]

The John Cena robot looks a bit gay.

[screech]

Kinda want that street sign lol

[The CyNick]

I'm not talking about stings case I'm talking about how you said "Brand A should always look better than Brand B if they are owned by Brand A"

In the long run they should. Its fine for Hall and Nash to have early success. But WCW should have booked to be the cooler brand and win out in the end. They did it the other way and it killed the brand ultimately.

[The CyNick]

In the case of Sting vs HHH its a wash, Sting winning made more sense storyline wise since after the match HHH seemed to drift away anyways.

However the is still more money to be made out of HHH than there is to be made out of Sting.

Financially it makes sense for HHH to go over.

It made sense if you are telling the Sting comes to WWE finally and conquers one of their biggest stars of all time. I dont think that story is good for businrss

[The CyNick]

Except they're now using Sting in a title match. Whoops.

Also, Sting vs. Triple H should NEVER have been about WCW vs. WWE. Why the fuck would Sting come to fight for WCW's pride and honor FOURTEEN YEARS after the company has sank? He clearly showed up because he had a problem with the abuse of power The Authority was wielding. At least, that should have been the reason he came back.

They also ran the nWo out there who were Sting's mortal enemies. Trust me, I've tried to rationalize this like you have, but it's just too much work and glossing over history to try and sell history. It was bad. Then Triple H came out in a suit later for a promo in the middle of the ring. Great war, dude.

That may be how you see it, but if you actually watched how WWE built up the match leading up to Mania, there was a tie in with the Monday Night Wars and how Sting was the last hold out from WCW.

No doubt he picked the fight because of the abuse of power, but in the WWE Universe, Sting was there to v settle an old WCW vs WWE score. Hence why nWo were willing to put their differences aside to help Sting.

Within the realm of that storyline, HHH had to go over. And it's not even debatable in my mind.

[ron the dial]

the choice to make that the storyline was fucking dumb and unnecessary

[DAMN iNATOR]

Yeah it was terrible. My amount of potential fucks given went from 0.5 to 0 instantly once that was established.

[slik]

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[The CyNick]

Imagine the heat Triple H/Seth Rollins tension they are trying to build would have if Rollins was trying to beat the guy that beat Triple H? As it stands, Rollins NEEDS to beat a guy that Triple H beat in order to be as good as the guy who stands around in a suit, even though he's meant to be the fucking champion.

They could have had Seth Rollins beat Sting, causing an insecure rift to develop between Triple H and Seth Rollins -- leading to Triple H turning on his prodigy and having clearly defined face/heel lines. As it stands, if Seth loses the World Title to Sting and Triple H and Stephanie McMahon drop him, how does Seth really have any sympathy or credibility?

Is clear they are building to a rift.

If they didn't go heavy on the Monday Night Wars slant to the Mania angle, then sure you COULD have gone that route. But it becomes a different story to the one they seem to be telling with Rollins and HHH.

Hunter is not just some random heel manager. He's one of the top guys in WWE history. The story to me seems to be one of the father who has accomplished so much that the bar he set is almost too high to jump over. Seth had to slowly jump over each bar. At some point the father gets pissed that he's being passed and turns on him.

To me the angle has more legs if Rollins beats Sting clear AFTER already facing John Cena. I don't think Sting is the guy you want to go to the wall with and say Hunter can't beat. But if Rollins can cut a promo and say I beat Sting on my own and after fighting John Cena, that gives him his small notch on the belt over HHH. Its a subtle dig, but not strong enough to light the fuse to ignite the fight.

I don't think there's much chance Rollins drops the title to Sting. More likely is Sheamus walks out of Night of Champions with the belt. But my prediction is that happens in the Network Garden special.

Either way, the storyline is roughly the same. You just think it makes sense to have HHH JOB to Sting. I think that's a gross waste of a Hunter JOB. Hunter should be putting over Rollins at some point. That means more the stronger HHH is going into that match. Sting is irrelevant in the big picture.

[The CyNick]

I love you CyNick, sorry; but I just refuse to accept Triple H going over was the right choice. And I don't blame Triple H. His NXT guys had the sense to put Jushin Liger over Tyler Breeze. Reports say that it was Sting's wish, but someone needed to tell that dude to shut the fuck up and make some money. Be humble when you're against a young guy in a few months.

Do you think Sting is a bigger star than Triple H?

[Droford]

PWI 2015 500 (http://powerpb13.blogspot.it/2015/09/2015-pwi-500.html)
1 Seth Rollins
2 John Cena
3 A.J. Styles
4 Roman Reigns
5 Shinsuke Namakura
6 Randy Orton
7 Jay Briscoe
8 Alexander Rusev
9 Alberto El Patrón
10 Kevin Owens
11 Hiroshi Tanahashi
12 Dolph Ziggler
13 Dean Ambrose
14 Daniel Bryan
15 Adrian Neville
16 Prince Puma (Ricochet)
17 Jay Lethal
18 Bobby Lashley
19 Minoru Suzuki
20 King Barrett
21 Bray Wyatt
22 Bobby Roode
23 Sami Zayn
24 Luke Harper
25 Kurt Angle

How is Bryan so high for basically wrestling about what..3 matches in the past 15 months

[Emperor Smeat]

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[Emperor Smeat]

PWI 2015 500 (http://powerpb13.blogspot.it/2015/09/2015-pwi-500.html)
1 Seth Rollins
2 John Cena
3 A.J. Styles
4 Roman Reigns
5 Shinsuke Namakura
6 Randy Orton
7 Jay Briscoe
8 Alexander Rusev
9 Alberto El Patrón
10 Kevin Owens
11 Hiroshi Tanahashi
12 Dolph Ziggler
13 Dean Ambrose
14 Daniel Bryan
15 Adrian Neville
16 Prince Puma (Ricochet)
17 Jay Lethal
18 Bobby Lashley
19 Minoru Suzuki
20 King Barrett
21 Bray Wyatt
22 Bobby Roode
23 Sami Zayn
24 Luke Harper
25 Kurt Angle

How is Bryan so high for basically wrestling about what..3 matches in the past 15 months

Been reading about the explanations and the biggest criteria seems to be titles held and standing in a company. He's barely wrestled or been on tv within the past year but arguably still the WWE's #2/#3 top star so that gives him a huge advantage for the list making.

Rollins goes ahead of Cena because WWE title > US title since both guys tie on #1 status as heel and face. Same for Reigns being #4 because he's still in the grooming spot as the next mega star.

Everything else like matches done, feuds, wrestling skills, charisma/gimmick, etc seems to be more of tie breaker stuff.

[Mercenary]

Seems Blue Pants has heat backstage. Time to renmae her Red Pants

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Apparently John Laurinitis now engaged to Mom Bella.....

People Bella Power.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

PWI 2015 500 (http://powerpb13.blogspot.it/2015/09/2015-pwi-500.html)
1 Seth Rollins
2 John Cena
3 A.J. Styles
4 Roman Reigns
5 Shinsuke Namakura
6 Randy Orton
7 Jay Briscoe
8 Alexander Rusev
9 Alberto El Patrón
10 Kevin Owens
11 Hiroshi Tanahashi
12 Dolph Ziggler
13 Dean Ambrose
14 Daniel Bryan
15 Adrian Neville
16 Prince Puma (Ricochet)
17 Jay Lethal
18 Bobby Lashley
19 Minoru Suzuki
20 King Barrett
21 Bray Wyatt
22 Bobby Roode
23 Sami Zayn
24 Luke Harper
25 Kurt Angle

How is Bryan so high for basically wrestling about what..3 matches in the past 15 months

Where is Finn Balor? Are they daft? He needs to be higher than most.

[Corporate CockSnogger]

[COLOR="RoyalBlue"]So these "Robot Hat Clips" are a thing.

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My Canary Islander ancestors didn't live and die to be turned into a John Cena Robot Hat Clip.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Mr. Data didn't live and die to become a John Cena hat clip.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Madison Rayne and Josh Matthews got married

Huh? Madison Rayne got married to some army guy 4 years ago. Are you sure about this?

[Lock Jaw]

Wikipedia says she divorced and now married Josh Matthews... and wikipedia never lies....

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

I guess the joke is on Michael Cole now.

[Mr. Nerfect]

That may be how you see it, but if you actually watched how WWE built up the match leading up to Mania, there was a tie in with the Monday Night Wars and how Sting was the last hold out from WCW.

No doubt he picked the fight because of the abuse of power, but in the WWE Universe, Sting was there to v settle an old WCW vs WWE score. Hence why nWo were willing to put their differences aside to help Sting.

Within the realm of that storyline, HHH had to go over. And it's not even debatable in my mind.

Sting actually said "This isn't about WCW". Nice try.

Also, that storyline is dumb. Triple H vs. Sting does not need to about WWE vs. WCW in the first place. You don't bring in Sting to be WCW. You bring in Sting to be Sting.

And -- even if this was WWE vs. WCW -- the idea that you always need to put over WWE is also incorrect. You don't need to do that. Sometimes it actually helps to give he rub to the "invaders" or the new guys. The home team going over is one of those myths that a lot of people keep alive -- like long title reigns are automatically better than short title reigns.

I was listening to Kevin Sullivan talking about the WCW/New Japan program on his podcast, and the co-host, MSL, said "Obviously WCW had to go over, but..." and Sullivan actually revealed that he was more entertained by the idea of New Japan going over, because you could have build up a major Japanese star, kept the relationship with them strong, and at that point they were paying WCW $1,000,000 a year. Plus, it'd present WCW as underdogs. That's a good way to get the people behind you.

WWE own WCW. So there's not even proper logic behind protecting your own investments anymore. By dragging up WCW from the dead and kicking it back down, you are just shitting on your own intellectual property.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Sting actually said "this isn't about WCW" before WrestleMania then the match happened and it was.

[Lock Jaw]

Also, while Sting said "This isn't about WCW", all of the promo packages, and Triple H and Steph, all said it was about WCW.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Do you think Sting is a bigger star than Triple H?

Honestly? Yes. I had heard of him and read about him before becoming a wrestling fan. Triple H is established within the WWE paradigm. But don't worry -- if WCW had won the war and Triple H was finally signing with WCW and facing Sting at Starrcade, I'd be calling for Triple H to beat Sting too. It's about convincing your audience that this guy is/still is a big star.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>It almost felt like Sting coming out and saying "This isn't about avenging WCW...that would be ridiculous at this point" made Vince realize that he totally COULD make it about WCW so he could remind everyone (once again) that he won the Monday Night War.</font>

[Mr. Nerfect]

Also, while Sting said "This isn't about WCW", all of the promo packages, and Triple H and Steph, all said it was about WCW.

So the babyface is a liar and the heels are soothsayers? Awesome.

[Mr. Nerfect]

<font color=goldenrod>It almost felt like Sting coming out and saying "This isn't about avenging WCW...that would be ridiculous at this point" made Vince realize that he totally COULD make it about WCW so he could remind everyone (once again) that he won the Monday Night War.</font>

Bingo.

I have no inside knowledge, of course, but the whole thing felt like Vince McMahon and Kevin Dunn got their hands on the match, and produced it with no real knowledge about what WCW was about during the Attitude era, and had the face on the heel side and lose, because that's what a good heel does at WrestleMania. To the heel on the face side, of course.

[#1-norm-fan]

Also, no idea how "Sting was there to settle an old WCW vs WWE score. Hence why nWo were willing to put their differences aside to help Sting." makes sense in that context.

Their differences with Sting were that they wanted to kill WCW and Sting was the face of WCW. So they're willing to put those differences aside to... help Sting/WCW defeat HHH/WWF?

[Mr. Nerfect]

That's why it had the mark of guys who weren't too informed of the WCW product.

I've tried to justify this in my mind. I've told myself that old enemies can become friends when they look back at all the money they made beating each other up. I told myself that it was about that specific era, and just where they happened to fall in the battle lines, and it was a nostalgic battle of pride. I've told myself that Sting wanted to avenge the Invasion loss, has been training for fourteen years and had no clue that the nWo were going to come out and help him.

It all falls short of what the desirable booking of that match was -- Sting showing up in the WWE for the first-time in history, and beating the living PISS out of Triple H. Fuck, Triple H let Ronda Rousey upstage him later in the show. He knows how to do that business. Look at the work he did for Daniel Bryan at WrestleMania XXX. He knew what his role was. This should have been a squash match before it was Triple H going over. Hell, I'd have suggested they do an Ultimate Warrior-esque "Pedigree has no effect" spot at some point during the match. Make the guy special.

But ideally, Triple H would have done his best Ric Flair tribute, gone after a leg, only for Sting to battle back and win. The classic story. Instead they threw gimmicks on top of the gimmicks, overbooked it, and Triple H didn't even look good for winning.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>The nWo vs. DX shit was so over the top that I almost wondered if they were planning on doing something utterly ridiculous like a nWo vs. DX tag match at SummerSlam. In 2015. Instead the involvement from the 2 stables was never mentioned again.</font>

[Mr. Nerfect]

Is clear they are building to a rift.

If they didn't go heavy on the Monday Night Wars slant to the Mania angle, then sure you COULD have gone that route. But it becomes a different story to the one they seem to be telling with Rollins and HHH.

Hunter is not just some random heel manager. He's one of the top guys in WWE history. The story to me seems to be one of the father who has accomplished so much that the bar he set is almost too high to jump over. Seth had to slowly jump over each bar. At some point the father gets pissed that he's being passed and turns on him.

To me the angle has more legs if Rollins beats Sting clear AFTER already facing John Cena. I don't think Sting is the guy you want to go to the wall with and say Hunter can't beat. But if Rollins can cut a promo and say I beat Sting on my own and after fighting John Cena, that gives him his small notch on the belt over HHH. Its a subtle dig, but not strong enough to light the fuse to ignite the fight.

I don't think there's much chance Rollins drops the title to Sting. More likely is Sheamus walks out of Night of Champions with the belt. But my prediction is that happens in the Network Garden special.

Either way, the storyline is roughly the same. You just think it makes sense to have HHH JOB to Sting. I think that's a gross waste of a Hunter JOB. Hunter should be putting over Rollins at some point. That means more the stronger HHH is going into that match. Sting is irrelevant in the big picture.

Triple H is one of the biggest heels in WWE history. Seth Rollins is now meant to be in this position. Doesn't it bother anyone else that they keep calling Seth Rollins "The Future" whilst he's holding the motherfuckin' World Heavyweight Championship? It's like someone telling Mike Tyson he was going to be something...in 1990. Man, that Ronda Rousey might one day be a great fighter, mightn't she?

The father that accomplished so much via villainy, with an ungrateful son that is trying to overtake him by surpassing his achievements -- relying mainly on his ability to cheat and kick people when they are down. OK. Do you see a problem here?

WHO THE FUCK IS THE BABYFACE?!?!?!

I agree with you that the best booking for Night of Champions is to have Rollins beat Cena AND Sting. It'd be something less crushing for Sting if he had beaten Triple H at WrestleMania, but never mind. Rollins has then earned stripes. Those people that boo him in the crowd? Well, now they have to look at Rollins and say "Wow, he just beat two legends in one night. Two legends that can still go..." Well, one legend that can still go, and another that has lost his only WWE match.

Sheamus cashing it at the end of this with Triple H (who would be at ringside trying to help Rollins cheat -- which he rejects, because he now wants to earn his place) counting the fall would be logical. This means that Seth loses the WWE World Heavyweight Title, but still gets to use the US Title as "The Symbol of Excellence" as John Cena described it.

Seth has a reason to be mad at Triple H; and people have a reason to think that Triple H is jealous of Rollins. This would be obvious if Sting had beaten Triple H and Rollins had beaten Sting. It then looks something like this:

Seth Rollins > Sting > Triple H

It also makes Rollins the clear babyface based on ability and a rejection of the system that has breast-fed him for too long. But as it stands right now, Triple H is being set-up for the face turn, with Sting and Cena pretty much saying "You suck, Seth, and these guys are the lesser evils."

[Sepholio]

Stop explaining things so rationally.

[Emperor Smeat]

Dirtsheets sponsored by Nap Time with Rusev:
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WWE Hall of Famer Bret Hart did a Q&A with Off The Record’s Periscope account this week. Regarding his brother Owen Hart going into the WWE Hall of Fame, Bret said Owen should be in the Hall and he’s hoping the induction happens during WrestleMania 32 weekend in Dallas next year ...

Bret also said he’s looking forward to WWE’s upcoming “Owen Hart: Hart of Gold” DVD set but said he has reservations because it feels like it was too controlled with WWE “tip-toeing” around so they didn’t offend Owen’s widow Martha. Bret said Martha has made an ass of herself and pissed him off. He believes Martha has done more to erase Owen’s legacy and career, and doesn’t want today’s fans to enjoy Owen. He said Martha is “very anal” about not getting over what happened to Owen.

Bret later said if Owen isn’t inducted next year, he won’t attend another Hall of Fame ceremony until he and Jim “The Anvil” Neidhart are inducted as a tag team, The Hart Foundation. He also added that he hopes WWE inducts the whole Hart Foundation next year in Dallas – himself, Owen, Anvil, Brian Pillman and British Bulldog.

According to one person in the company, Leva “Blue Pants” Bates has a ton of heat, and none of it is her doing. There is the resentment that she was flown to Brooklyn, put in an angle with the tag champs and Alexa Bliss that every woman on the roster would have wanted, that she has and sells her own merchandise and doesn’t have to split the cut, isn’t under contract so he’s not at the Performance Center going through all the daily training, and can do indies, and her rate has increased, so they believe she’s making more than they are, and being pushed more and getting over.

The Cena vs. Owens main events were the strongest main house show main event numbers for any match over a full month period in some time. What that says it the idea that Owens can’t draw on top based on his look is bullshit because even though he is with Cena, other guys in the same position with Cena haven’t done as well. The thing about wrestling is you can have your ideas and rules about who and what qualities appeal the most to the masses, and those heavily influence who get chances in the business. But ultimately, there is a very simple test of what gets over, and that is who is put in the position to get over and then delivers, and you can point to flaws in everyone and strengths in everyone but if you’re beating everyone else in the same position, either you’ve had a program that people got into and/or your strengths mean more than your weaknesses. And no matter how you look or talk, if the opposite is true, it means your strengths on paper don’t translate.

According to the Wrestling Observer Newsletter, WWE officials have had internal discussions over debuting an actual Sister Abigail character to work alongside Strowman, Bray Wyatt and Luke Harper ...

Wyatt’s younger sister, Mika Rotunda, an aspiring entertainer, recently tried out for WWE. Although she tried out for a role as a ring announcer, it won’t stop speculation of her being “Sister Abigail.” Behind the scenes, Wyatt does not want the role to go to sister if WWE decides to introduce the character.

WWE World Heavyweight Champion Seth Rollins had pitched his girlfriend, Zahra Schreiber, for the role to creative before she appeared alongside Solomon Crowe at a WWE NXT live event on Saturday—she portrayed his sister. Schreiber, however, was terminated by WWE on Monday for “inappropriate and offensive remarks” she made on social media.
Update on other people considered for the Sister Abigail character.

Regarding a new season of WWE Diva Search this year, things are reportedly back and forth on whether or not it will happen. The show would still air on the WWE Network but after the issues with Tough Enough, there are people in the company that have cold feet about doing another reality show like that.

A few years back, when the company had the idea that Sheamus was going to be a top babyface star, they commissioned a ton of action figures for him, and then he didn’t get over, and the action figures didn’t sell at all compared to the production numbers. When it comes to action figures, faces still significantly outsell heels, and those who are taken off TV usually drop off terribly unless it’s someone like Austin or Rock who sell no matter what. The women on Total Divas saw their figures increase in sales considerably and the hottest right now on the women’s side is Paige
Pretty much a recurring trend with Sheamus and the WWE over-estimating his status with fans. Probably going to happen again when he cashes in where the WWE over-judges how much the crowd actually cares about Sheamus being in the spotlight again.

As noted, Adam Rose worked a WWE Main Event match tonight against Fandango and came out with all black rights, glasses and a polo on. He also had no entrance music. Our correspondent noted that this is an extension of Rose’s new “party pooper” gimmick as he acted very serious.
Image of new look for Rose from a prior house show: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNtFTwuWoAAzAXx.jpg

It is highly suspicious that Hogan and his friends would have greeted each other growing up using the N word. That was decades before that word had any connotation in society past being a term used by racists, with the exception of industries like pro wrestling where it was actually a business term for black performers as far back as anyone can remember. If anything, his picking up using that word in conversation would have more likely come from the industry because that word was part of the so-called secret language, along with similarly demeaning terms for Mexicans, and in Tennessee, the term for women fans (called AR’s or Arena Rats in most territories) was “blowjobs.”

The term was regularly used everywhere through the 80s, including by people who were not racists and spoke of it as the business term, but only to those in the business. It was still used in that vernacular in the 90s, which led to a successful minorities lawsuit against WCW.
Based on recent stuff said by Hogan trying to explain his use of the N word wasn't meant for hate or something.

I was in OVW with John Cena and we were wrestling with each other. I had a bad cold so I blew my nose in my shirt during the match. I grabbed him and put him in a headlock so that his face rubbed in the snot. The thing with John is, he doesn’t react to anything. You could walk up to him and put your cock on his shoulder and he’ll just look at it and do nothing. I’ve actually done that, too.
Wacky Randy Orton story from back in the day.


Some other sheet news includes:

Sting is currently planned as the October guest for Stone Cold's WWE Network podcast episode.
WWE currently considering canning Los Matadores in favor of something new for Primo and Epico.
Observer stated as a result of AAA's Triplemania debacle this year, they've pulled all future ppvs showings in the US and Canada.
In a "WWE Did You Know" type fact, Hogan has never officially beaten Sting in a match during his entire career. https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/3jj9go/til_sting_has_never_officially_lost_to_hulk_hogan/
WWE.com had a recent interview with potential new signees Gargano & Ciampa. http://www.wwe.com/shows/wwenxt/johnny-gargano-tommaso-ciampa-exclusive-interview-nxt-27904408
According to the Observer, FOX TV Studios is currently working on a tv drama based on pro wrestling.
New edict from the WWE targets indie wrestlers and people interested in signing with them required to scrub their social media accounts of anything potentially bad before contacting the company. Direct result of the recent Zahra issue/scandal.
Based on reports, Televisa and Lucha Underground are very close to a deal which would allow Season 2 of LU to be possible in its current form.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Man, they really have no clue where to go with Adam Rose, do they? At this point, I'd actually be in favor of him joining The Wyatt Family just to give him something to do.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The thing about Blue Pants being over isn't that she's over because she's pushed; but rather that she is pushed because she is over. They definitely should have her under contract though.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Good on Owens for managing to draw with Cena. They have good chemistry and an exciting dynamic. Owens is like the antithesis to Cena, which works on building a match. If you put Cena's face on a poster against Owens, the idea of them fighting is more intriguing than a lot of other guys on the roster fighting. I do think that an Owens Intercontinental Title run at this point is the right call for KO. I've got no clue what the long-term plan for Owens as IC Champion would be, but putting the title on the line against Sami Zayn on WrestleMania weekend somewhere sounds like a good bet.

[Emperor Smeat]

Man, they really have no clue where to go with Adam Rose, do they? At this point, I'd actually be in favor of him joining The Wyatt Family just to give him something to do.

Was rumored at one point of being a possible candidate for the new Wyatt member before going with the Strowman instead. WWE pretty much ruined or wasted the feel good momentum Rose had from the ESPN special on NXT.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Sheamus just doesn't click for whatever reason. I honestly believe that he's a guy that suffers from overexposure. Plus they have him talk too much. Going back to basics and having him show up every now and then to squash guys could help him re-capture the imaginations of people.

That being said, he has the briefcase now, so it makes sense to give him another run near the top. I imagine that he's basically going to be a transitional champion and serve as a vessel to move the belt to either Cena or Lesnar, but that's not a bad spot to have, and maybe he can make something of it?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Was rumored at one point of being a possible candidate for the new Wyatt member before going with the Strowman instead. WWE pretty much ruined or wasted the feel good momentum Rose had from the ESPN special on NXT.

I was against Rose joining at first, but Rose coming out now, sacrificing himself to a Wyatt beat-down and then being programmed by Wyatt to unleash the darkness inside him -- a darkness that might even surpass Wyatt's own -- is more interesting than them nerding Rose up. That being said, I haven't seen the new gimmick, so Rose might hit it out of the park. He's certainly a good performer when it comes to making these things work.

The problem with Rose's ESPN special momentum was that all the feel-goods from it had to then be channeled into a character played by the man, but isn't really representative of what they got behind. The Adam Rose gimmick is basically a Dionysian philanderer. How do you segue that into "Father of the Year?"

Typing that out, Titus O'Neil vs. Adam Rose -- Battle of the Mega-Dads -- could be a great early match on a PPV somewhere.

[Simple Fan]

The thing about Blue Pants being over isn't that she's over because she's pushed; but rather that she is pushed because she is over. They definitely should have her under contract though.

Yea what ever heat she is getting is undeserved. She was just an enhacment talent with a silly name that got over. Just seems like something high schoolish to be mad at Blue Pants for doing her job.

[Jura]

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[Black Widow]

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[Mercenary]

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GREAT GOOGLY MOOGLEY!!!!!!!!!!!

[Cool King]

WWE currently considering canning Los Matadores in favor of something new for Primo and Epico.

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[Mr. Nerfect]

The Colons are being wasted in that gimmick, but at least try and generate some interest with it. Go for the build to Masks vs. Masks with The Lucha Dragons. Even if the entire feud only takes place on SmackDown, it could still at least generate some heat for the reveal and some momentum behind Sin Cara & Kalisto.

[DAMN iNATOR]

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Well, if they're going to bring those two back, they'd BETTER bring Carlito back too.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'd actually like to see The Colons vs. The New Day.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think we should all take the time to congratulate Jax Dane on becoming the new NWA World Heavyweight Rassling Champion in San Antonio this past week. He defeated Japanese legend Hiroyoshi Tenzan for the honor. I hope his first defense is against friend, former NWA World Tag Team Rassling Championship co-holder, and two-time World Heavyweight Champion, Rob Conway.

In other NWA Title news: This year the NWA officially recognized a title change that took place San Juan in 2005. 20-time WWC Universal Heavyweight Champion and 7-time IWA Undisputed World Heavyweight Champion, Ray Gonzalez defeated Jeff Jarrett to win his first (and only) NWA World Heavyweight Title. This now pushes Jeff Jarrett up to 10 career World Title reigns.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Also, either Nick Aldis, Shelton Benjamin or Eric Young will become the Global Force Wrestling Global Champion soon.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Eddie Colon is a former 5-time WWC Universal Heavyweight Champion; Orlando Colon has never won the belt.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Primo started wrestling six years before Epico, and is about three quarters of a year younger than him.

[Innovator]

Did wwe also invent a time machine so they could can the gimmick two years ago?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Zoom.

[The CyNick]

Honestly? Yes. I had heard of him and read about him before becoming a wrestling fan. Triple H is established within the WWE paradigm. But don't worry -- if WCW had won the war and Triple H was finally signing with WCW and facing Sting at Starrcade, I'd be calling for Triple H to beat Sting too. It's about convincing your audience that this guy is/still is a big star.

Ok well were just too far apart in this one.

If you think Sting is a bigger star, I mean I don't know what to say.

I'll just say I feel there are more matches to be had from HHH (compared to Sting) that can draw big money - vs Rollins being one of them. And if HHH constantly loses these one off matches against a guy like Sting, his value gets reduced to very little. HHH needs to be as strong as possible for this Rollins-HHH angle to be maximized.

[The CyNick]

Also, no idea how "Sting was there to settle an old WCW vs WWE score. Hence why nWo were willing to put their differences aside to help Sting." makes sense in that context.

Their differences with Sting were that they wanted to kill WCW and Sting was the face of WCW. So they're willing to put those differences aside to... help Sting/WCW defeat HHH/WWF?

You're mixing fantasy and reality (all within the realm of a larger fantasy mind you).

In storyline in the Monday Night Wars nWo wanted to put WCW out of business. In reality nWo and Sting were on the same side of a war against WWE. The storyline for Mania was to play off the reality. Hence why Hall and Nash were helping Sting and not their buddy HHH. I don't think it's that complicated to understand.

[The CyNick]

That's why it had the mark of guys who weren't too informed of the WCW product.

I've tried to justify this in my mind. I've told myself that old enemies can become friends when they look back at all the money they made beating each other up. I told myself that it was about that specific era, and just where they happened to fall in the battle lines, and it was a nostalgic battle of pride. I've told myself that Sting wanted to avenge the Invasion loss, has been training for fourteen years and had no clue that the nWo were going to come out and help him.

It all falls short of what the desirable booking of that match was -- Sting showing up in the WWE for the first-time in history, and beating the living PISS out of Triple H. Fuck, Triple H let Ronda Rousey upstage him later in the show. He knows how to do that business. Look at the work he did for Daniel Bryan at WrestleMania XXX. He knew what his role was. This should have been a squash match before it was Triple H going over. Hell, I'd have suggested they do an Ultimate Warrior-esque "Pedigree has no effect" spot at some point during the match. Make the guy special.

But ideally, Triple H would have done his best Ric Flair tribute, gone after a leg, only for Sting to battle back and win. The classic story. Instead they threw gimmicks on top of the gimmicks, overbooked it, and Triple H didn't even look good for winning.

You would squash HHH?

You want Sting to walk into WWE TV and run roughshot over one of their all time legends? For what payoff?

How many shows will Sting be a central part of vs HHH?

Honestly you gotta jump off Stings nuts. He's not that big of a star.

[The CyNick]

Triple H is one of the biggest heels in WWE history. Seth Rollins is now meant to be in this position. Doesn't it bother anyone else that they keep calling Seth Rollins "The Future" whilst he's holding the motherfuckin' World Heavyweight Championship? It's like someone telling Mike Tyson he was going to be something...in 1990. Man, that Ronda Rousey might one day be a great fighter, mightn't she?

The father that accomplished so much via villainy, with an ungrateful son that is trying to overtake him by surpassing his achievements -- relying mainly on his ability to cheat and kick people when they are down. OK. Do you see a problem here?

WHO THE FUCK IS THE BABYFACE?!?!?!

I agree with you that the best booking for Night of Champions is to have Rollins beat Cena AND Sting. It'd be something less crushing for Sting if he had beaten Triple H at WrestleMania, but never mind. Rollins has then earned stripes. Those people that boo him in the crowd? Well, now they have to look at Rollins and say "Wow, he just beat two legends in one night. Two legends that can still go..." Well, one legend that can still go, and another that has lost his only WWE match.

Sheamus cashing it at the end of this with Triple H (who would be at ringside trying to help Rollins cheat -- which he rejects, because he now wants to earn his place) counting the fall would be logical. This means that Seth loses the WWE World Heavyweight Title, but still gets to use the US Title as "The Symbol of Excellence" as John Cena described it.

Seth has a reason to be mad at Triple H; and people have a reason to think that Triple H is jealous of Rollins. This would be obvious if Sting had beaten Triple H and Rollins had beaten Sting. It then looks something like this:

Seth Rollins > Sting > Triple H

It also makes Rollins the clear babyface based on ability and a rejection of the system that has breast-fed him for too long. But as it stands right now, Triple H is being set-up for the face turn, with Sting and Cena pretty much saying "You suck, Seth, and these guys are the lesser evils."

Its better for WWE long term of its Rollins >HHH>Sting. Which can easily be accomplished and get you to the same end point in the storyline.

You're clear hated for HHH is clouding you're judgement.

[Jura]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

Its better for WWE long term of its Rollins >HHH>Sting. Which can easily be accomplished and get you to the same end point in the storyline.

You're clear hated for HHH is clouding you're judgement.

I don't hate Triple H. At all. A few of my current dream programs involve him. They just don't involve him winning and cutting the money-making potential off a guy.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Triple H has a history of WWE work to call upon. He's got the top heel card locked squarely sway in his pocket. Triple H could lose a match to Sting and still whip it out. Sting has now been diminished. You're hurting your babyfaces more than you're helping your heels.

[Mr. Nerfect]

You can get to Triple H vs. Seth Rollins in a "Sting beaters" feud, sure. But where does that leave Sting for the future performances you can get out of him? And you're basically having two top heels fight over who is the tougher man. It's counter-intuitive for a wrestling product. Neither guy is going to have the momentum to turn and not lose steam incredibly fast as a babyface.

[Innovator]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Nakamura, just like everyone else, doesn't find Taguchi in the least bit amusing :p <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NJPW?src=hash">#NJPW</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NJDest?src=hash">#NJDest</a> <a href="http://t.co/7kvYTUZXep">pic.twitter.com/7kvYTUZXep</a></p>&mdash; LARIATOOOOO!!! (@SenorLARIATO) <a href="https://twitter.com/SenorLARIATO/status/639758254554398720">September 4, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[Innovator]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Yano is terrified of <a href="https://twitter.com/Tama_Tonga">@Tama_Tonga</a>! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NJPW?src=hash">#NJPW</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NJDest?src=hash">#NJDest</a> <a href="http://t.co/wPduk2TINu">pic.twitter.com/wPduk2TINu</a></p>&mdash; LARIATOOOOO!!! (@SenorLARIATO) <a href="https://twitter.com/SenorLARIATO/status/639755014567800832">September 4, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">YTR &quot;He's creepy! He's creepy! Tag me out! Eww eww eww! NO NO NO! You're creepy! Ref, check him! EWW NO EWW NO!&quot; <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/njdest?src=hash">#njdest</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/njpwworld?src=hash">#njpwworld</a></p>&mdash; E. Key Oide (@e_key_oide) <a href="https://twitter.com/e_key_oide/status/639754832207745024">September 4, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[Cool King]

Who wants to buy a fat guy's sweaty shorts?

Kevin Owens WORN & SIGNED Ring Shorts (Elimination Chamber - 05/31/15)

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Current Bid: $510.00

Item Description

These shorts were worn by WWE Superstar Kevin Owens during his match with John Cena at Elimination Chamber on May 31, 2015. This item was autographed on August 25, 2015 in Providence, RI.

Quick! Only four days left!

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[Cool King]

I really do hope they've been washed though.

[Cool King]

They most likely have been, given the time period, which I just noticed.

[Cool King]

Then again, Kevin Owens could be a really lazy guy, and just never bothered getting them washed.

We'll never know.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think my ego would tell me that anyone buying my shorts would demand that I DIDN'T wash them.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I was having a shower and I just fantasy booked Main Event as its own brand for the space of a few months. Adam Rose, Fandango, The Miz, R-Truth, Jack Swagger, Heath Slater and Zack Ryder were the featured talent.

[Cool King]

I think my ego would tell me that anyone buying my shorts would demand that I DIDN'T wash them.

I can't help but think that all Superstar worn items would be washed, but the vast majority of Diva worn items wouldn't be, as the WWE knows that clothes smelling of Paige, for example, would fetch a pretty high price with "certain bidders".

[Mr. Nerfect]

They can probably just spray it with any old person's scent and pass it off as "worn" though.

[Simple Fan]

Also, either Nick Aldis, Shelton Benjamin or Eric Young will become the Global Force Wrestling Global Champion soon.

Probably be Aldis (Magnus) that wind it first. Be a better pick than Benjamin or Young in my opinion and if your going to be a global company a forigner as champ makes sense

[Simple Fan]

I was having a shower and I just fantasy booked Main Event as its own brand for the space of a few months. Adam Rose, Fandango, The Miz, R-Truth, Jack Swagger, Heath Slater and Zack Ryder were the featured talent.

The Miz is to good to be stuck on Main Event. Main Event can have Sandow.

[loopydate]

They can probably just spray it with any old person's scent and pass it off as "worn" though.

You saying Paige smells like an old person?

[Cool King]

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[Innovator]

Orton looks like a kid wearing his dad's jacket

[Damian Rey]

So you finally sign a guy you've been clamoring to acquire for 14 years so that you can have rights to his likeness, sell a ton of merch and events he's featured in, and in his first match in your company, at the biggest show of the year, it's best for business to job him out in one of the few matches he'll ever wrestles your company? Over a barely part time wrestler who's essentially evolved into a high profile enhancement talent? Huh.

[Cool King]

A new social media thing the WWE have now started.

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[owenbrown]

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Who is that on the far right?

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>Mark Jindrak. He was originally meant to be in Evolution instead of Batista.</font>

[DAMN iNATOR]

Yeah, and instead he ended up getting saddled with a gimmick as the "Reflection of Perfection" and an overpowered (and way oversold) open-palmed "slap of death".

[Damian Rey]

Always baffled me how anybody could think that gimmicks like that would get over and benefit a talent long term.

[Innovator]

Same guy who thought the New Day initially would be over as fuck babyfaces?

[Emperor Smeat]

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[Emperor Smeat]

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[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>After watching that segment, I am all in on the Cosmic Wasteland.</font>

[Simple Fan]

Yep best thing the Ascension has been given since moving to the main roster. Hopefully Stardust rubs off some of his charisma on them. They could also use some better face paint to.

[The CyNick]

I don't hate Triple H. At all. A few of my current dream programs involve him. They just don't involve him winning and cutting the money-making potential off a guy.

Are talking about him cutting off Sting? Do you really think a Sting win would have made a big difference in the number of people that order WWE network in September vs the number who will order now based on current events?

[The CyNick]

Triple H has a history of WWE work to call upon. He's got the top heel card locked squarely sway in his pocket. Triple H could lose a match to Sting and still whip it out. Sting has now been diminished. You're hurting your babyfaces more than you're helping your heels.

The babyface in the WWE vs WCW storyline was really Triple H.

But that aside, what big Sting matches did a loss to HHH prevent?

[The CyNick]

You can get to Triple H vs. Seth Rollins in a "Sting beaters" feud, sure. But where does that leave Sting for the future performances you can get out of him? And you're basically having two top heels fight over who is the tougher man. It's counter-intuitive for a wrestling product. Neither guy is going to have the momentum to turn and not lose steam incredibly fast as a babyface.

HHH and Batista were both heels. One of them turned so they could have a feud. It was a pretty big money maker. You assume the same would be planned here.

Again this passion for a guy who will maybe wrestle 3 more times is very confusing to me. Sting isn't The Rock, he's just a guy. His value is minuscule no matter what they do with him booking wise.

[Mr. Nerfect]

You saying Paige smells like an old person?

I wish I knew to tell you, loopy.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Sting isn't The Rock, he's just a guy. His value is minuscule no matter what they do with him booking wise.

There it is. You accused me of Triple H hate, but there's the truth of where your argument comes from on this. "Sting is just a guy." I'm not even the dude's biggest fan, but I've the two points I'd like to raise are this:

1) No, he's not.

2) Even if he were, wouldn't it be a good idea to try and present him like he was more than that?

I wonder if they pay Sting "just a guy" money? That'd be interesting. I wonder if Spike TV fronted TNA's paychecks to the man because he was "just a guy?" I think the evidence against Sting being "just a guy" is pretty overwhelming.

[Mr. Nerfect]

HHH and Batista were both heels. One of them turned so they could have a feud. It was a pretty big money maker. You assume the same would be planned here.

Except it's not going down that way. If you remember back to late 2004, it was a sharply worded promo from Batista that made people go "Hang on -- this guy might be on to something." In the weeks leading up to his turn, Batista was made to look crafty, cunning and like a killer. Hell, he won the 2005 Royal Rumble. And when the turn came, he was a step ahead of Triple H and Ric Flair, who were trying to get Big Dave out of the picture.

What you have in Seth Rollins at the moment is a chickenshit who doesn't even care if he wins or loses matches (unless the title is on the line, of course), hides behind The Authority, and when they turn on him is suddenly going to become a ruthless killer again. OK. Let's see who buys it.

It's looking more like the Randy Orton/Triple H program of 2004, with Orton being a wormy deer in the headlights for most of it than the Badass Dave vs. Hunter feud of 2005, which was actually designed to get Batista over.

And, furthermore: Why are they trying to make Seth Rollins AFTER HE IS ALREADY THE MOTHERFUCKIN' WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION?!?! The shit makes no sense! For Triple H to bring a ruthless killer out in him after he's climbed to the top of the mountain? There's something else in common with the original Triple H vs. Randy Orton feud there.

The key to the success of the Triple H vs. Batista program was heat. The crowd was rabid for it because they were rabid for Big Dave, and they wanted to see someone finally get one over Triple H and Ric Flair. I can't see much heat coming from the guy in the suit with all the power kicking his chosen chickenshit heel while he's down amounting to much "YAY! Go...someone!" momentum. And I don't have too much faith in the company to get it right, because they just spent months having two heels do a story-time rivalry in the back, bickering like school children, which ultimately went nowhere (to this point in time, anyway).

Triple H and Seth Rollins are both great performers. The match itself will be good-to-great. Triple H also isn't going to let much he touches as an active wrestler in this day and age be the drizzling shits. I'm sure they'll save it to the point where people go "Hey, this is actually not bad." That being said, it won't make Seth as hot as he could be.

[Damian Rey]

Sting is just a "guy" might one of the most daft statements I've seen in a while. Legitimate superstar in the 90s. At one point one of, arguably the hottest wrestler on the planet. Just a guy.

[Damian Rey]

If Sting is just a guy, why did the WWE still sign him 14 years later and why do they make the biggest fucking deal when he's around?

[Mr. Nerfect]

The babyface in the WWE vs WCW storyline was really Triple H.

But that aside, what big Sting matches did a loss to HHH prevent?

Really? When? Like during the Attitude era? Because that's debatable. I mean, there wasn't an official storyline being worked between the two. I think you could make a claim that the biggest faces on each side were the "babyfaces" of the war. Triple H was very over for a long time, but at the demise of WCW he was a heel. Austin, The Rock and Mankind are the three babyfaces that spring to mind when I think about the Attitude era. The Undertaker also seems more like the "lifeblood" of the WWE.

If you mean the Invasion angle, then Triple H was on the shelf. The big babyface of WWE was...well, I guess either Vince McMahon or The Rock when he was there. I guess Kurt Angle was around there for a while too.

Maybe I'm not remembering correctly though, because it was a FUCKING DECADE AND A HALF AGO!!!!!

And that links me to my next point -- and with all the problems with the Invasion angle, I've never thought specifically of this link before:

It's all about the HEAT! The emotional investment people put in to wanting to see two guys fight and the outcome of said fight. During the Invasion, you didn't really have any hot babyfaces once you turned Austin. Angle got some steam around the late summer/fall, but he wasn't really built as a face. It would be like if Seth Rollins came out tomorrow night and started acting like a bad-ass that won't back down or pick his spots.

And you're right when you imply that Sting losing doesn't change the matches on the table. But you're damn wrong that it doesn't change the emotional investment people have in them. New fans? The John Cena ones? With their taste-buds, they might not know who Sting is. The older and more historically in-tune fans? They need to know that they can count on Sting. If they place the house on him, he's not going to put them on the streets. A hero needs to be a hero sometimes.

But you're right -- the WWE is doing their best to turn him into "just a guy." Watch the money roll in for that one.

And let me flip the question on you: What harm would have come out of Triple H, the guy that has acknowledged his full-time in-ring career is over and is now in a management role, putting over the legend and a man that they do want to put on some posters, t-shirts and DVD covers; and in some video games and high-profile matches? How will emotional investment be in the Triple H character if they actually think the big, bad evil is somewhat beatable?

Fuck.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Sorry to get so snappy about it. CyNick is a great poster, and I'm glad he's back; but I really didn't like the "some people don't see the big picture" remark. Some people can't see a plate of money in front of their fucking face.

[Mr. Nerfect]

So you finally sign a guy you've been clamoring to acquire for 14 years so that you can have rights to his likeness, sell a ton of merch and events he's featured in, and in his first match in your company, at the biggest show of the year, it's best for business to job him out in one of the few matches he'll ever wrestles your company? Over a barely part time wrestler who's essentially evolved into a high profile enhancement talent? Huh.

This. This all night long.

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[Mr. Nerfect]

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Okay, I'm sold.

[Mr. Nerfect]

By the way, I ordered that EVOLVE 45 show I was going to.

* Heading into the show, there were apparently a lot of injuries, and Gabe Sapolsky said they were going to hot-shot some stuff.

* I'll say that I do like the way there isn't much (well, any) fluff and filler for the EVOLVE presentation. It's match-to-match, and that has a very old-school, sports-based presentation to it. SoCal Val talks in the ring, which is good, but it could use an interview or two to try and hook me on these guys more.

* Caleb Konley vs. Gary Jay was first up. There are too many people out here, in my opinion. The idea is that The Premier Athlete Brand are going to be showcased, but you've got three guys and two girls out here, and one of the girls doesn't even do anything.

* Konley impressed me. There were times he really summoned up a wrestler's presence. He seems like quite a solid worker too. Gary Jay can work and do movez, there's no doubt about it, but I didn't believe him. He's kind of got this "dirty Sami Zayn" vibe to him, and there's definite talent there, but he's sort of working outside his frame. I would have liked to have seen Konley destroy him with a few hope spots, some select moves to show off that Jay can do shit to try and get him over enough to bring back; but there were times this felt like it should have been done but it wasn't.

* Gary Jay would be a GREAT jobber if you are running a promotion. The dude looks crazy enough to get in the ring with an intended Superstar, and he's a good enough worker to take it and make the guy look good. Maybe in time he can find the connection for a few upset wins.

* Next up is Trent Beretta vs. Rich Swann. Mr. All Night Long has a cool entrance and gets people pumped. He's apparently got an intriguing and inspiring life story too. It's no wonder the WWE signed him. He says some stuff on the mic, which I liked, because it sounds thought up on the spot and organic. The dude could get quite over in the WWE, I feel. Beretta knows the little tricks to be a piece of shit heel. He'll be back in the WWE one day, unless he's burnt his bridges or doesn't want to go back.

* I know they're making up for injuries keeping guys out and changing the show, but this is another match where less would have been more. Beretta does like a half-and-half suplex on the ring apron to Swann, and it leads to the Roman Reigns "gets back in the ring at 9" countout spot. Fuck me, just sell a Deathplex occasionally and get people invested in you. Great work from both men though although they sort of lost me after it got turned up to 11 for no reason.

* Andrew Everett came out to challenge Anthony Nese next. It occurs to me at this point that the performers with the best names of the evening so far have been "SoCal Val" and "Caleb Konley." And "Caleb" isn't a tough name for a wrestler...

* This was my first time seeing these guys. Everett is sort of like a less ripped, straighter-haired Adrian Neville from Charlotte, North Carolina. I wasn't too impressed by him, to be honest. I've heard good things, but this wasn't really a great showcase. I sort of turned on the match after Everett did something to make it look like he fucked up his leg on a leap-frog, but then alleged veteran, Nese, didn't do anything to go after it and they stayed on their shit.

* By the way, Anthony Nese looks like he should have been a big star in WCW's Cruiserweight Division. He reminded me of what could happen if Buff Bagwell was a gymnast. He did some really crisp athletic stuff that made me legitimately go "Whoa," but the story of the match was kind of forced. Everett even uses a Shooting Star Press, which makes me think that this guy is really doing his low-rent Neville impersonation. That being said, he's really young and is only going to get better and better.

* Chris Hero vs. Trevor Lee next. This is my first time seeing Lee, who was trained by The Hardy Boyz. I didn't expect Lee to stand out as much as he did. I've read about him in PWG reports and such, but the name is sort of bland and didn't capture my imagination. The dude is tiny, but is kind of like a tiny Luke Harper in black trunks, and actually comes off as savage. The guy is only 21 and can tear it up, has presence and seems to be putting together a lot of what works at such a ripe young age. He'll be a star one day. Apparently he's (in the TV paradigm) one-half of the current TNA World Tag Team Champions with Curt Hawkins. I didn't know that. Good for him. WWE will sign him.

* A lot has been said about Chris Hero, and I was iffy on his NXT run. Something was there, but something was missing too. On the independents, he carries himself like a veteran though. This isn't his first rodeo, he knows his place, and although a lot of people critique his physique -- he makes it believable -- like Kevin Owens in the WWE. I wouldn't put my company's title on him, but if I had a promotion, I'd be using him. He has his own custom theme music which goes a long way to his presentation too. And I like that he wears trunks like he doesn't give a fuck what he looks like.

* Hero and Lee has been my favorite match so far, because it's been based around simple shit, told a story, and a house hasn't been dropped on the other guy to beat him. Kind of wonder if there was more to the story about Hero being dropped from the WWE -- like a personality clash with Triple H or something -- because the dude could be SO valuable working with younger guys and even on house shows.

* Hero cuts a good promo after the match. Like he's just had an epic and cut a good promo that even had crowd interaction. Fucking love Hero after that.

* I've started watching Sabre, Jr. vs. Strong, but I've had to stop because I'm now exhausted from the flow of the show. Every match is being worked like the WrestleMania main event, so I need to go and have a Coke.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Stars so far:

* Chris Hero - I know people don't like his look, but the dude is entering this stage of good where it really doesn't matter. If he looks like a bum, he's really Rassling Jesus in disguise.

* Trevor Lee - Little Luke Harper. I think they called him "The Caveman of Cameron" or something. Simple look, small frame, but comes off like a beast somehow. Has some sort of "legit" vibe to him that makes you believe. Not really what I expected from a Hardys find. A Daniel Bryan/Trevor Lee tag team would be a dream. I also see him either being paired with Luke Harper one day.

* Rich Swann has got something to craft.

[Maluco]

I don't think you can really compare Hero and Owens. Owens is a big guy and apparently cut weight and got in better shape when he came in. I think he just has the type of body that is husky, but the way he moves in the ring, he is clearly in good shape. Again, I didn't see him previously, but fans have commented on his weight loss since his indie days.

Hero on the other hand is a slim guy who just looks sloppy, like his gut hanging and it gives the impression of a guy who got his opportunity and just didn't have the commitment to take advantage of it. I think that is what irked people. You work and work for this and then show up like he did. Same idea with Braden Walker.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Fair point, but I just think that there's something to Hero that isn't defeated by it.

[Maluco]

Yeah, he obviously has talent and am glad he can still make a living, but by all accounts, it was his lack of dedication that led to him missing out on his biggest opportunity...seems like there are a few guys on that show that will get opportunities before he ever does again

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'm not expecting him back. He'd just have something to offer if they did bring him back.

[Emperor Smeat]

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During tonight's Street Fight main event at the WWE live event in Hampton, Virgina, John Cena was going at it with Kevin Owens when Cena went down, the match stopped and the referee threw up the "X" symbol.

Our correspondent Sherrod Jones noted that it appeared Cena was having an issue with his nose or neck, likely the nose that was recently busted by Seth Rollins. WWE trainers came down to check on Cena but he wrestled for another 6 minutes or so, and even went through a table, to win the match. A handful of WWE officials also came out with the trainers and they checked on Cena's nose and neck area for around 5 minutes.

It was noted by our correspondent that it wasn't clear if Cena suffered a legitimate injury but he really seemed to be hurting after the match as he went straight towards the backstage area, stopping to point back at the crowd.

Smackdown last night, going against college football, did 1.98 million viewers last night, the lowest audience since the show has been on Syfy with the exception of a July 4th airing.
Want to say its been in a serious decline ever since Bryan no longer made appearances but might be even longer than that considering how long the WWE's been half-assing the effort on Syfy. Same's probably going to happen with USA Network after a while once they get Smackdown.

As noted late last night here on the website and to the surprise of few, Rey Mysterio and Alberto El Patron are not looking to come back to WWE. It had been previously reported that there have been some very vague discussions with Mysterio but he isn’t big on the idea, with neither man interested in anything unless there’s a reduced schedule as both are doing fine with where they’re currently at.

WWE has been looking at creating a bilingual Latino star to replace Mysterio for some time, but hasn’t been able to, with Alberto being the closest that they came. Vince McMahon liked Alberto because he was tall and had the “WWE look.”

Unfortunately due to commitments with WWE Rich Swann has had to pull out of his advertised appearances in two weeks time at Broxbourne Civic Hall & Southampton Guildhall respectively. We wish Rich Swann all the best and thank him for some of the most memorable moments in RevPro over the past few years.

Basically confirms he signed a deal with the WWE.

On the latest episode of The Steve Austin Show, Austin looked back at last week's Summerslam pay-per-view. When the conversation turned to Stephen Amell and Neville vs. King Barrett and Stardust, Austin was very critical of Amell's participation in the match and celebrities performing in the ring in general.

"I just don't like the celebrities coming in there, the squared circle, and being able to compete at any level with the guys in the [professional wrestling] business," Austin declared. "You've got to protect some integrity of the [professional wrestling] business. I don't care what day and age, what year it is."

Austin made the point that if the roles were reversed and Stardust was to appear in a film with Amell, Stardust would only make a cameo appearance and he probably would have only one or two lines. According to Austin, celebrities competing with professional wrestlers in the ring undermines the credibility of professional wrestling.

"It was what it was, but I just got a hard time seeing that kid come off with that crossbody [block] on the top rope on two WWE guys down there [on the floor]."

Also, Austin took exception to Michael Cole's comment at the end of the match that the outcome was embarrassing to King Barrett and Stardust.

"So was it embarrassing? You're damn right it was, but for the wrong reasons and the reasons [were] bad booking," Austin said. "It was for a shoot embarrassing to those guys to have to go out there and do that with the actor guy involved, but that's on a shoot level, so it was an embarrassment to the booking and I felt bad for those guys because they were in that role."

On Tyson Kidd’s injury: “I was taken aback when I heard about, just the way WWE handled it. He injured his neck quite badly in that match with Samoa Joe. I was told when he [Tyson Kidd] was in the dressing room after, one agent, he indifferently said ‘go take your shower’. [Kidd] said no my neck is really f***ed up and I was told he said ‘we’re not going to pay for an ambulance’ and they were almost making it out like he was a hypochondriac. My niece Nattie, his wife, they said if you wanted to go to the hospital it’s your choice. She set out for the hospital and got lost in San Antonio and she finally got there after some kind of driving around. When they got there, they did the CT scans and MRIs and immediately determined that it was a near fatal injury. It was a fraction of an inch from either being a fatality or a paralysis from the neck down type thing. They notified the WWE of this, and I was told there were only 3 or 4 places in the US where they can perform this type of microsurgery that would stabilize and do what they needed to for his neck. They had to at that point charter a some kind of air ambulance from San Antonio to Florida, which was the closest place that did that type of surgery. I heard that cost $100,000 and they had to fly him back for that. At this point I was told they haven’t made any contact, WWE hasn’t called, some of the wrestlers have called TJ, as I know him. At this point as far as I’ve been told it’s certain his career’s over and that he’s fortunate to not be a paraplegic.”
Part of a longer interview by Bruce Hart on a recent guest on Main Event Madness Radio episode. Whole story ended up being debunked by Tyson Kidd later.

TJ Wilson ‏@KiddWWE
Just for the record I haven't had contact with Bruce Hart in over a decade. End of story, rumor mill over!


Some other sheet news includes:

If legal issues arise, WWE might have to change the name of Stardust's "Comic Wasteland" stable since a musical band already owns it.
WWE released the official commercial for Night of Champions ppv. https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=18&v=appwczkN3oY
In a "WWE Did You Know" type fact, Cesaro has just 1 clean singles win since the start of June in regards to RAW, Samckdown, and ppvs. All other wins have been either DQ results or tag matches. http://officialfan.proboards.com/thread/530343/cesaro-clean-ppv-win-june
WWE could face some new bad PR in the near future based on an upcoming Will Smith movie called "Concussion." Has to do with ties the WWE has with Dr. Maroon who is their medical director, Maroon's past of downplaying concussions for the NFL, and Sony Pictures being leaked trying to get the negativity of the film toned down. Article on r/SquaredCircle goes into way more details. https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/3jlwj5/why_nobody_speaks_here_about_controversial_will/

[el bobbo]

Tyson Kidd posted recently on his Twitter about not talking to Bruce Hart in over a decade.

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[Cool King]

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[Emperor Smeat]

More on the injury Cena suffered during yesterday's house show.

According to live reports, Cena was doing the Infrared (a sunset flip move popularized by Amazing Red and Rey Mysterio Jr.) and landed on his head. They went right to the finish with Cena winning, and officials helped him in the ring.

More on this story as it develops.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Move that may have injured Cena <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWEHampton?src=hash">#WWEHampton</a> <a href="http://t.co/Hdp6jJHvKo">pic.twitter.com/Hdp6jJHvKo</a></p>&mdash; chris (@c_hawk1994) <a href="https://twitter.com/c_hawk1994/status/640000490013650944">September 5, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[#1-norm-fan]

According to live reports, Cena was doing the Infrared (a sunset flip move popularized by Amazing Red and Rey Mysterio Jr.)

NOT SEEING A PROBLEM SO FAR...

[#1-norm-fan]

In all honesty, Cena needs to stop trying to impress the IWC by introducing "cool moves" into his moveset. He's the biggest "wrestling" star of this generation because he's the best "sports entertainer" in the world. Fuck the haters who want you to be more like Cesaro or Daniel Bryan or some other guy who's adored by many wrestling nerds and unknown by a large majority of human beings who have cable TV/the USA network. Just keep making that money, money. (Yeah, yeah.)

[Wishbone]

In all honesty, Cena needs to stop trying to impress the IWC by introducing "cool moves" into his moveset. He's the biggest "wrestling" star of this generation because he's the best "sports entertainer" in the world. Fuck the haters who want you to be more like Cesaro or Daniel Bryan or some other guy who's adored by many wrestling nerds and unknown by a large majority of human beings who have cable TV/the USA network. Just keep making that money, money. (Yeah, yeah.)

Cena wants to improve himself and actually prove his detractors wrong, something no other "face of the company" has ever really done. I fail to see why he should stop doing so. If he can win over a few of the IWC fans like myself and still keep his legion of children behind him why not do it? It's not like becoming a better and more entertaining wrestler is going to make his old fans stop liking him.

[Cool King]

More on the injury Cena suffered during yesterday's house show.

According to live reports, Cena was doing the Infrared (a sunset flip move popularized by Amazing Red and Rey Mysterio Jr.) and landed on his head. They went right to the finish with Cena winning, and officials helped him in the ring.

More on this story as it develops.

I blame Kevin Owens for this.

[#1-norm-fan]

Cena wants to improve himself and actually prove his detractors wrong, something no other "face of the company" has ever really done. I fail to see why he should stop doing so. If he can win over a few of the IWC fans like myself and still keep his legion of children behind him why not do it? It's not like becoming a better and more entertaining wrestler is going to make his old fans stop liking him.

It may cause him to break his neck and end his career. But fuck it. Gotta impress some uppity internet fans who don't think he does enough cool rasslin' moves.

[Hanso Amore]

If he could actually pull off the moves correctly and it made sense then I'm with him

Him doing sloppy cruiser weight moves is stupid

[Damian Rey]

Always cringed when he'd try a hurricanranna. He doesn't need to do all these fancy moves. He can go when he needs to and has more than enough stellar matches without flashy moves. I'd also like to see him ditch the top rope leg drop. Unnecessary.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

I blame Kevin Owens for this.

Nope. Owens took it perfectly on two straight ppvs. It's Cena's fault.

[Lock Jaw]

At least his springboard stunner looks nice maybe 2/10 times. The sunset flip bomb thing always looked like ass, especially since Goldust was around doing the same move and looked crisp as hell doing it.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Whenever Cena gets injured, they always play it up to be much worse than it is, so he looks like a fucking Superhero when he comes back in 2 weeks completely fine.
Nah, man. He always rushes back from injuries that would keep other guys out for way longer. Don't think they've EVER "played up" any of his legit injuries. Why would they?

It may cause him to break his neck and end his career. But fuck it. Gotta impress some uppity internet fans who don't think he does enough cool rasslin' moves.
I may not care for his character at all but I've always been fine with him being himself move-set wise. Only thing is I don't get it when they decide he needs to do a "Super" AA from the top or second rope. As it is, just in the ring normally it puts his opponents down for the 3 like 9.7 times out of 10.

Nope. Owens took it perfectly on two straight ppvs. It's Cena's fault.

Completely agree.

[Lock Jaw]

Only thing is I don't get it when they decide he needs to do a "Super" AA from the top or second rope. As it is, just in the ring normally it puts his opponents down for the 3 like 9.7 times out of 10.

1 out of 10 the first time he hits it

[Jura]

In all honesty, Cena needs to stop trying to impress the IWC by introducing "cool moves" into his moveset. He's the biggest "wrestling" star of this generation because he's the best "sports entertainer" in the world. Fuck the haters who want you to be more like Cesaro or Daniel Bryan or some other guy who's adored by many wrestling nerds and unknown by a large majority of human beings who have cable TV/the USA network. Just keep making that money, money. (Yeah, yeah.)

It may cause him to break his neck and end his career. But fuck it. Gotta impress some uppity internet fans who don't think he does enough cool rasslin' moves.

If he could actually pull off the moves correctly and it made sense then I'm with him

Him doing sloppy cruiser weight moves is stupid
I don't like that he used to always say he doesn't care that people boo him or don't like him yet he's acknowledged it many times in the past in not only his promos but in his entrances as well and also tries to add new moves. He should just ignore the haters and focus on doing promos that aren't goofy which I feel that he's improved on. The problem originally wasn't about him adding new moves it's about his selling of moves and the fluidity/execution of his moves. Now instead of doing that he's just adding moves to impress his haters which creates a different problem in itself.
At least his springboard stunner looks nice maybe 2/10 times. The sunset flip bomb thing always looked like ass, especially since Goldust was around doing the same move and looked crisp as hell doing it.
I'm usually one to say something that isn't in favor of Cena but I think his past execution of that move looks pretty decent, well at least the part where he's in motion and not the set-up to it.
Whenever Cena gets injured, they always play it up to be much worse than it is, so he looks like a fucking Superhero when he comes back in 2 weeks completely fine.

Unless I see it from another angle it doesn't look like he landed on his head or anything. Looks like either he was flipping and his head and neck jammed up against Owens' right leg or Cena just got the wind knocked out of him from Kevin's fat ass falling right on top of him.

[Emperor Smeat]

At least his springboard stunner looks nice maybe 2/10 times. The sunset flip bomb thing always looked like ass, especially since Goldust was around doing the same move and looked crisp as hell doing it.

Cena's problem is he's too big mass-wise and not flexible enough to pull off those flips correctly. Every time he ends up compensating by jumping awkwardly get the momentum needed and screws up the normal flow/catch process for the other guy. Majority of the time it looks bad because the other guy had no time to readjust to it.

Same goes for the flying stunner since he's almost blind jumping into the spot most of the time.

[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">There was an error on <a href="http://t.co/WS3M4yZwsI">http://t.co/WS3M4yZwsI</a> that showed Baron Corbin as the mystery partner but it has been removed <a href="http://t.co/i446LzpBpb">pic.twitter.com/i446LzpBpb</a></p>&mdash; KD Sweets! (@ProjectKenny) <a href="https://twitter.com/ProjectKenny/status/640213399826141184">September 5, 2015</a></blockquote>
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:lol: if that is the actual plan. No offense to Corbin but that would be a huge disappointment in terms of reveals. Also a bit odd since he just recently started a heel run on NXT.

[Droford]

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Shield v2.0 aka the Lone Wolf Fringe

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Would have been a good combination I think.

[Disturbed316]

I blame Kevin Owens for this.

Please tell me that's your attempt at being funny?

How on earth was that Owen's fault? Taken the move tons of times without a hitch. You can plainly see Cena fucking it up.

[Damian Rey]

Fuck me, Corbin is nowhere near ready. That's an awful idea.

[The CyNick]

There it is. You accused me of Triple H hate, but there's the truth of where your argument comes from on this. "Sting is just a guy." I'm not even the dude's biggest fan, but I've the two points I'd like to raise are this:

1) No, he's not.

2) Even if he were, wouldn't it be a good idea to try and present him like he was more than that?

I wonder if they pay Sting "just a guy" money? That'd be interesting. I wonder if Spike TV fronted TNA's paychecks to the man because he was "just a guy?" I think the evidence against Sting being "just a guy" is pretty overwhelming.

He's not "just a guy" in the sense that say Fandango is "just a guy". But what I'm trying to say is if you were to rank all the guys who are part time performers who appear basically only at Mania, Sting would be on the same level to me as a Chris Jericho. A big name, who can come in and work a program that means something, but not a Rock/HHH/Taker who can actually carry a long term program.

Plus, in a lot of ways HHH is more important than all those guys because he's a regular character on TV, and one who should command authority. Pardon the pun. Therefore, when I look at it long term, HHH winning was best because the long term money program is Rollins finally on upping HHH.

If you think Sting, would mean more for WWE business long term by beating HHH, thats cool, I just think you're way off base and letting some hatred for HHH get in the way.

[The CyNick]

Except it's not going down that way. If you remember back to late 2004, it was a sharply worded promo from Batista that made people go "Hang on -- this guy might be on to something." In the weeks leading up to his turn, Batista was made to look crafty, cunning and like a killer. Hell, he won the 2005 Royal Rumble. And when the turn came, he was a step ahead of Triple H and Ric Flair, who were trying to get Big Dave out of the picture.

What you have in Seth Rollins at the moment is a chickenshit who doesn't even care if he wins or loses matches (unless the title is on the line, of course), hides behind The Authority, and when they turn on him is suddenly going to become a ruthless killer again. OK. Let's see who buys it.

It's looking more like the Randy Orton/Triple H program of 2004, with Orton being a wormy deer in the headlights for most of it than the Badass Dave vs. Hunter feud of 2005, which was actually designed to get Batista over.

And, furthermore: Why are they trying to make Seth Rollins AFTER HE IS ALREADY THE MOTHERFUCKIN' WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION?!?! The shit makes no sense! For Triple H to bring a ruthless killer out in him after he's climbed to the top of the mountain? There's something else in common with the original Triple H vs. Randy Orton feud there.

The key to the success of the Triple H vs. Batista program was heat. The crowd was rabid for it because they were rabid for Big Dave, and they wanted to see someone finally get one over Triple H and Ric Flair. I can't see much heat coming from the guy in the suit with all the power kicking his chosen chickenshit heel while he's down amounting to much "YAY! Go...someone!" momentum. And I don't have too much faith in the company to get it right, because they just spent months having two heels do a story-time rivalry in the back, bickering like school children, which ultimately went nowhere (to this point in time, anyway).

Triple H and Seth Rollins are both great performers. The match itself will be good-to-great. Triple H also isn't going to let much he touches as an active wrestler in this day and age be the drizzling shits. I'm sure they'll save it to the point where people go "Hey, this is actually not bad." That being said, it won't make Seth as hot as he could be.

First, dont cloud the debate. At the end of the day we're just talking about whether or not it was the right call for HHH to go over Sting. I'm laying out reasons why it made sense - #1 it was the logical end to the Monday Night Wars storyline and #2 HHH needs to be kept strong he can give a meaningful rub to Rollins.

My comparison to Big Dave was just that he was a heel in Evolution for a long time, and only until just before they were ready to pull the trigger on a HHH-Bats feud did he start to do babyface things. The same could easily happen with Rollins, but we dont know the timeline of the program. Will HHH-Rollins happen at 32? Will it be later in 2016? Is it a Mania 33 fight? The timing will dictate when and if Rollins needs to change what he does in the ring (ie winning matches clean, standing up to HHH, etc). At some point though, I would assume Rollins will start becoming more of a babyface champion, at which point he will get screwed and plant the seeds for the fight with Hunter.

[The CyNick]

If Sting is just a guy, why did the WWE still sign him 14 years later and why do they make the biggest fucking deal when he's around?

Because WWE is amazing at promotion. They wont sign a guy and put him in a fight at Mania, and say "here's a mediocre performer, come pay to see him". But when comparing his star power to that of Hunter, its not even close, Hunter wins hands down.

[Razzamajazz]

i'm sure it's been reported on here, but rasslemania 33 is gonna be in minnesota WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

anyone going is welcome to stay at my house. we can go together. no homo
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Sepholio]

I don't think you can argue against Stings star power like that CyNick. He was the face of WCW when it was drawing 5 and 6 in the ratings at the peak of the Monday night wars. HHH wasn't the face and was probably like 6 or 7th in the pecking order really when WWE was experiencing similar popularity.

Sure, right now, HHH is a bigger star. But in the grand scheme of things? No.

[Cool King]

Nope. Owens took it perfectly on two straight ppvs. It's Cena's fault.

Hey now, if you can blame Swagger for Barrett's injury when it was Barrett's fault, then I can blame Owens when it's Cena's fault. ;)

Please tell me that's your attempt at being funny?

How on earth was that Owen's fault? Taken the move tons of times without a hitch. You can plainly see Cena fucking it up.

In future, you should chill and wait for the people to answer to your questions before you neg rep them.

[Cool King]

I totally forgot how much of a precious darling Owens is to some people in the "IWC".

Silly me.

[Damian Rey]

When was the last time Triple H was legit the hottest act in the business? The answer is never. He's not a bigger star than Sting no matter how CyNick tries to argue, and he's never been on the level Sting was. Guy's going into his 4th decade in the business and he's still a big deal.

If he was "just a guy" why would WWE promote him or fall over themselves to sign him? You're contradicting yourself. He's not this huge draw or big star, but he's gonna be treated as such to sell a match? Huh? If he wasn't a big deal, what's the point in paying top dollar for his likeness and putting him in a high profile match? That makes zero sense and honestly you're being pretty daft saying Hunter, who was, what, the number 4 guy in the company behind Rock, Austin and Taker. Arguably number three at best, is a bigger star than the top babyface in the history o WCW and one of the most popular superstars of all time.

It's not even fucking close.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Lies Triple H was the MAN from 2002-2005.

Sting was a bust as a World Champion every time he had it. If Sting was the man then WCW wouldn't have needed Hulk Hogan.

[Shadrick]

Lies Triple H was the MAN from 2002-2005.

Sting was a bust as a World Champion every time he had it. If Sting was the man then WCW wouldn't have needed Hulk Hogan.

by default isn't the same thing.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

He was super over in the march to SummerSlam 99 also. He was the face of the new "Rock N' Wrestling Connection" with Chyna in that time frame too.

[Damian Rey]

He was never the face of anything. Raw was the inferior brand through 2005, and by that time they handed the reigns to Cena and Hunter was once again second fiddle. Then they moved him to Smackdown where he was a big fish in a little point


Sting's runs as champion was a reflection of the creative team behind him, not the status not drawing power of the man himself.

How are people trying to argue this?

[Damian Rey]

I'd also like to point out Brock Lesnar was THE MAN from 2002-2004, main eventing shows with the likes of Kurt Angle and the Undertaker while Triple H was wrestling old WCW wash outs and burying Booker T in the mid card.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don't think STD is being serious, Rey. :p

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

I need a breakdown of Raw Vs. Smackdown PPVs buys.

[Mr. Nerfect]

He's not "just a guy" in the sense that say Fandango is "just a guy". But what I'm trying to say is if you were to rank all the guys who are part time performers who appear basically only at Mania, Sting would be on the same level to me as a Chris Jericho. A big name, who can come in and work a program that means something, but not a Rock/HHH/Taker who can actually carry a long term program.

Plus, in a lot of ways HHH is more important than all those guys because he's a regular character on TV, and one who should command authority. Pardon the pun. Therefore, when I look at it long term, HHH winning was best because the long term money program is Rollins finally on upping HHH.

If you think Sting, would mean more for WWE business long term by beating HHH, thats cool, I just think you're way off base and letting some hatred for HHH get in the way.

I think people have already addressed the "Sting as a star" point effectively already. You can see Sting at that level, but you'd saying that subjectively in the face of a fair amount of objective evidence; and I'd still argue that even if Sting weren't on the level of a Rock/Triple H/Undertaker (not sure all three of those parts are equal, but whatever), then it'd be smart business to at least present him as being on that level.

But some people just don't like money.

Sure, Triple H is probably going to be running around more regularly on WWE TV. That doesn't mean Sting's appearances can't be special on their own, or make a shit-tonne of money in the immediate future. You also don't know the schedule of Sting. The guy is only a few years removed from being a fairly "regular" part-timer. Some people seem to have this idea that the guy only has one or two matches left. That might be the case, but the idea that Sting can't be a regular, or at least make enough appearances to justify a huge WrestleMania win isn't substantiated yet. Also, I'd argue that it might have even been worth giving Sting the one win against Triple H, even if it was his only match.

You also have to keep in mind that -- star-power aside -- Triple H is the heel. Keeping your heels strong is definitely a good idea, but at the end of the day the pay-off is in the babyface getting some vengeance. Generally speaking, people weren't buying WrestleMania to see Triple H beat Sting. It's like going into McDonald's, ordering a burger and getting punched in the face. Long-term maybe the punch is better for you, but it's not what you asked for and you won't be back.

But some people don't like money.

There is some money in Rollins upping Triple H, you are right. But you need to get to the point where there is a conflict that people can really bite into. It's not dirtying the discussion to point out that Seth Rollins has been heeling it up as much as anyone in his position is allowed to, whilst Triple H has been painted as the rightful hero and the true man. This is despite the fact that Rollins holds the World Heavyweight Championship and Triple H is practically retired.

If you want Rollins to start doing face things after the turn, that's cool -- but does it make sense for it to happen that way? Doesn't that go completely against who Rollins has become since selling out and joining The Authority? And we don't really have a reason to hate Triple H within the context of this story. If Triple H turned on Rollins on RAW, he'd probably get cheered for it. So maybe the plan is for Rollins to be the heel in the program? Okay, but why not build him up as a credible heel right now, instead of having him dance around active stars in order to get to the part-timer? And if the idea is to have Rollins come out of the Triple H program a more credible performer, isn't that a move towards the face end of the spectrum anyway?

Again, it's not Triple H hate. I've wanted to see Triple H vs. Dean Ambrose and Triple H vs. Bray Wyatt for AGES. I don't want to see Triple H win either of those matches, and I don't think he needs to win them to have his heat as the guy with all the corporate power in the world. Vince McMahon didn't need to win a bunch to still draw money with Austin.

I've already explained about the build to Triple H/Batista and how it's different. The way they are going about a potential face turn for Rollins is more like what they did with Randy Orton or Alberto Del Rio. Those were great, weren't they?

[Mr. Nerfect]

In all honesty, Cena needs to stop trying to impress the IWC by introducing "cool moves" into his moveset. He's the biggest "wrestling" star of this generation because he's the best "sports entertainer" in the world. Fuck the haters who want you to be more like Cesaro or Daniel Bryan or some other guy who's adored by many wrestling nerds and unknown by a large majority of human beings who have cable TV/the USA network. Just keep making that money, money. (Yeah, yeah.)

I'm not against Cena expanding his moveset if he can do stuff safely, but the dude certainly doesn't need to bust out eight moves that should be finishers every match. No one needs to do that.

[Mr. Nerfect]

* The WWE puts no effort into SmackDown, which is a shame. I guess their thinking is probably that they know where it is ending up, so why put energy into the rest of 2015 for the brand? I hope they have stuff planned for 2016 though. SmackDown has needed its own identity since the end of the brand split. Yes, the show was already starting to slip, but they started pooling talent all together on RAW before it ended and, unless my memory is failing me, wasn't that to pad out RAW so it could go three hours? Treat a split seriously and it could work. Or don't even make the split official, but just have guys work programs almost exclusively on one show.

* I know people say that talent rises to the top and that you can't keep real stars down, but Cesaro's talent is what earned him the shots he has been getting. Bad booking is what sullied his original push last year. How can the WWE expect people to get behind the guy if he can't beat anyone?

* Los Matadores and Lucha Dragons are being wasted and Vince McMahon is worried about finding Hispanic stars. Righto.

* Baron Corbin would be a HORRIBLE choice to team with Ambrose & Reigns. I can only assume it is a joke by someone. First of all, Corbin is not ready. Secondly, he's a heel and has no charisma as a babyface. Thirdly, he's the LONE Wolf! How the fuck do you debut a LONE Wolf with people? Fourthly, he's not ready. The WWE are in a spot of bother with this, because you need to put The Wyatt Family over so that they can be taken seriously, but you're going to make whoever agrees to team with Ambrose & Reigns take a hit, as they will fail. It seems to fit Cesaro's gimmick of losing to join them, but the best choice is probably The Rock. Jimmy Uso would be unoffensive, but might be a let-down. Erick Rowan would work, but I don't know how over Rowan is going to get as a face. Might be better to have him turn on Ambrose & Reigns, but doesn't that make them look shit? Big Show or Mark Henry can be slipped in there, they can take the fall, then you can have Erick Rowan re-join The Family.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Pretty proud of myself: I just booked the Divas Division out to WrestleMania in my brain. I know that's not something to be "proud" of...

[XL]

I'd have had them go 2-on-3 against the Wyatts; they know they're in over their heads but damn it, and will more than likely go down... But they're going down swinging. End it in a brawl and have somebody come out and help them in the post-match beat down. That way you're not setting yourself up for a letdown with the "surprise" partner. Unless they do have somebody lined up that will live up to billing.

Jericho?

[XL]

Pretty proud of myself: I just booked the Divas Division out to WrestleMania in my brain. I know that's not something to be "proud" of...

Hey! It would be something to be proud of for, say, the WWE Creative Team.

[Mr. Nerfect]

That was probably the best way to do it, XL -- I agree. Reigns & Ambrose can lose in the handicap setting, but still look good fighting. Jericho would also make a great third man if they can't find anyone else.

Would love to see either Jericho vs. Ambrose or Jericho vs. Reigns down the line, by the way.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Hey! It would be something to be proud of for, say, the WWE Creative Team.

Lawl. I've got nothing to really add to that. Too depressed.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Hey! It would be something to be proud of for, say, the WWE Creative Team.

You're right, we DO need to petition Vince to fire Dunn and hire Noid. :shifty:

[Damian Rey]

Noid should've been hired years ago.

[Cool King]

* The WWE puts no effort into SmackDown, which is a shame. I guess their thinking is probably that they know where it is ending up, so why put energy into the rest of 2015 for the brand? I hope they have stuff planned for 2016 though. SmackDown has needed its own identity since the end of the brand split. Yes, the show was already starting to slip, but they started pooling talent all together on RAW before it ended and, unless my memory is failing me, wasn't that to pad out RAW so it could go three hours? Treat a split seriously and it could work. Or don't even make the split official, but just have guys work programs almost exclusively on one show.

I think maybe one reason SmackDown doesn't really have it's own identity could be due to the fact that it shares the same stage with Raw.

Since the WWE went HD, everything has had the same stage, whereas back in the day, they both had different stages, so when you watched SmackDown and saw the giant fist or the Ovaltron, you knew you were watching SmackDown and it felt like you were watching SmackDown and not just "The Raw Recap Show", which is what it feels like today.

* Los Matadores and Lucha Dragons are being wasted and Vince McMahon is worried about finding Hispanic stars. Righto.

I'm such a big fan of The Lucha Dragons and hearing the news that Los Matadores could be coming to an end is a positive sign for me.

I've always thought that the gimmick was a bit corny, but enjoyable at times, and wasn't going to go anywhere. Epico and Primo were so much better as Epico and Primo. Since getting the gimmick, nobody seems to have taken them seriously, which is understandable. Back when Epico and Primo didn't have a gimmick and had Rosa by their side, they came across as a legitimate threat and more of a legitimate tag team than they currently are as Los Matadores.

For me, I say scrap the gimmick, and have Epico and Primo again. Possibly add Rosa too and they can be your Hispanic heels while The Lucha Dragons can be your Hispanic faces.

Both teams are so worthy of being Tag Team Champions and hopefully it does happen soon.

I'm really enjoying the Tag Team Division right now and to me, it's the best thing going in the WWE at the moment. Usually when I watch Raw these days, I skip pretty much everything apart from the Tag Team matches. The division is probably at it's strongest since around 2008. The division has around eight teams right now, and not one of them is a team that's just been randomly thrown together. They're all legitimate tag teams.

A New Day
The Primetime Players
The Dudley Boyz
Los Matadores
The Usos
The Lucha Dragons
The Ascension
The Wyatt Family (Harper & Strowman I'm assuming could compete in the division)

I really hope this keeps up.

[Mercenary]

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[Lock Jaw]

Definition of a squash match

[The CyNick]

I don't think you can argue against Stings star power like that CyNick. He was the face of WCW when it was drawing 5 and 6 in the ratings at the peak of the Monday night wars. HHH wasn't the face and was probably like 6 or 7th in the pecking order really when WWE was experiencing similar popularity.

Sure, right now, HHH is a bigger star. But in the grand scheme of things? No.

But all that matters is today, and what will be best for business. HHH looking strong, and transferring that heat he got for beating Sting onto Rollins is the cerebral game plan.

[The CyNick]

I think people have already addressed the "Sting as a star" point effectively already. You can see Sting at that level, but you'd saying that subjectively in the face of a fair amount of objective evidence; and I'd still argue that even if Sting weren't on the level of a Rock/Triple H/Undertaker (not sure all three of those parts are equal, but whatever), then it'd be smart business to at least present him as being on that level.

But some people just don't like money.

Sure, Triple H is probably going to be running around more regularly on WWE TV. That doesn't mean Sting's appearances can't be special on their own, or make a shit-tonne of money in the immediate future. You also don't know the schedule of Sting. The guy is only a few years removed from being a fairly "regular" part-timer. Some people seem to have this idea that the guy only has one or two matches left. That might be the case, but the idea that Sting can't be a regular, or at least make enough appearances to justify a huge WrestleMania win isn't substantiated yet. Also, I'd argue that it might have even been worth giving Sting the one win against Triple H, even if it was his only match.

You also have to keep in mind that -- star-power aside -- Triple H is the heel. Keeping your heels strong is definitely a good idea, but at the end of the day the pay-off is in the babyface getting some vengeance. Generally speaking, people weren't buying WrestleMania to see Triple H beat Sting. It's like going into McDonald's, ordering a burger and getting punched in the face. Long-term maybe the punch is better for you, but it's not what you asked for and you won't be back.

But some people don't like money.

There is some money in Rollins upping Triple H, you are right. But you need to get to the point where there is a conflict that people can really bite into. It's not dirtying the discussion to point out that Seth Rollins has been heeling it up as much as anyone in his position is allowed to, whilst Triple H has been painted as the rightful hero and the true man. This is despite the fact that Rollins holds the World Heavyweight Championship and Triple H is practically retired.

If you want Rollins to start doing face things after the turn, that's cool -- but does it make sense for it to happen that way? Doesn't that go completely against who Rollins has become since selling out and joining The Authority? And we don't really have a reason to hate Triple H within the context of this story. If Triple H turned on Rollins on RAW, he'd probably get cheered for it. So maybe the plan is for Rollins to be the heel in the program? Okay, but why not build him up as a credible heel right now, instead of having him dance around active stars in order to get to the part-timer? And if the idea is to have Rollins come out of the Triple H program a more credible performer, isn't that a move towards the face end of the spectrum anyway?

Again, it's not Triple H hate. I've wanted to see Triple H vs. Dean Ambrose and Triple H vs. Bray Wyatt for AGES. I don't want to see Triple H win either of those matches, and I don't think he needs to win them to have his heat as the guy with all the corporate power in the world. Vince McMahon didn't need to win a bunch to still draw money with Austin.

I've already explained about the build to Triple H/Batista and how it's different. The way they are going about a potential face turn for Rollins is more like what they did with Randy Orton or Alberto Del Rio. Those were great, weren't they?

You're losing it dude and grasping at straws now.

"Some people dont like money"

Classic stuff you probably read from one of the Newsletters. Of course WWE doesnt want to make money. Of course WWE hasnt already built the industry leader and a billion dollar + business. But no, you and the IWC know how to book better and you think WWE doesn't like money. Jokes.

You still haven't illustrated how Sting winning at Mania would lead to more Network subs long term. I laid out how HHH helps, please hit the ball back over the fence so I can lay another winner down the line.

[Black Widow]

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[Lock Jaw]

Don't blame her

[Simple Fan]

She acts like that's how women greet each other instead of shaking hands.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

God bless her for that.

[Emperor Smeat]

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[Emperor Smeat]

If the dirtsheets are correct, WWE's starting to get more hands-on with NXT's booking. Management wants Eva to get the Women's title as soon as possible and probably fast track her push into the rumored top star for the Divas division instead of letting it develop gradually/naturally.

Current plans have WWE NXT Women's Champion Bayley feuding with Dana Brooke and then Eva Marie.

WWE officials really want to validate Eva Marie right now by making her NXT Women's Champion. The idea is that they can tell the story of Eva proving her critics wrong through hard work.

This is just speculation but it looks like Bayley vs. Brooke could kick off at the September 10th NXT TV tapings from Full Sail University with a possible match at the October 7th Takeover event. Eva could start feuding with Bayley at the next set of tapings with a possible match at the NXT "Takeover: London" event in December. A three-way feud to carry them through December is possible also.

[Mr. Nerfect]

You're right, we DO need to petition Vince to fire Dunn and hire Noid. :shifty:

Damn straight. Well, I couldn't run a production team. But I'd gladly take the money for three weeks before Vince defenestrates me.

[Evil Vito]

<font color=goldenrod>god...please don't have Vince fuck around with NXT's booking</font>

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

If the dirtsheets are correct, WWE's starting to get more hands-on with NXT's booking. Management wants Eva to get the Women's title as soon as possible and probably fast track her push into the rumored top star for the Divas division instead of letting it develop gradually/naturally.

I fucking told you!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:

[Black Widow]

I will be done with NXT if that no talent Caitlyn Jenner looking bitch gets the title!

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

lol

[Mr. Nerfect]

You're losing it dude and grasping at straws now.

"Some people dont like money"

Classic stuff you probably read from one of the Newsletters. Of course WWE doesnt want to make money. Of course WWE hasnt already built the industry leader and a billion dollar + business. But no, you and the IWC know how to book better and you think WWE doesn't like money. Jokes.

You still haven't illustrated how Sting winning at Mania would lead to more Network subs long term. I laid out how HHH helps, please hit the ball back over the fence so I can lay another winner down the line.

Haha, nah, you're the one getting desperate with the IWC slander stuff and talking up your own non-argument.

How does Sting winning translate to money/more Network subs?

* A big draw of the Network is being able to re-live the PPVs of yesteryear. Sting was a huge part of the story WCW told over its entire PPV history. If you want to get people to take more of a bite of the WWE Network, and stay hooked on it for longer, promoting WCW is a freakin' great idea.

CONVERSELY: Triple H beating Sting implies that WWE was always better, so those WWE PPVs you've joined us watching are the only things that matter.

* The plan is clearly for Sting to wrestle more than one PPV match, as it always probably should have been. This is now evident and not debatable as Sting is booked for Night of Champions. He's going into the PPV with zero momentum and no one thinking he's really got a chance, and worse, many not caring since he lost his last clusterfuck.

CONVERSELY: If Sting had beaten Triple H, he'd be 1-0 in the WWE, with that win being over a former 13-time World Champion that beat Brock Lesnar at WrestleMania. The title might actually be in jeopardy. This anticipation could lead to more people signing up to the Network, especially if they're...

* An older WCW fan who stopped watching at the death of the Attitude era. I think it's a bit of a fool's errand to go and try recruiting these people back, but Sting is a well-known commodity that might make people go "Hang on, I might check this out..." With a 0-1 record, he not only provides a sad reminder that his era is gone, but he also makes a completely nonsensical choice as a title challenger.

CONVERSELY: If Sting had won the match, he'd be 1-0 in the WWE, with that win being over a former 13-time World Champion that beat Brock Lesnar at WrestleMania. The title might actually be in jeopardy. This anticipation could lead to more people signing up to the Network...you get it...

It's amazing you don't get how Sting losing every match is pissing away money. Oh well. I don't think it's one of those things you can explain to people if they don't get it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I forgot to touch on merchandising, DVD/Network specials, documentaries, the potential torch-passing loss, etc. I could have gotten another half-dozen bullet points out of those.

Triple H didn't need the win to have heat or credibility in the WWE. The loss hurts Sting more than it helps Triple H. It's really that simple. And you can say that I'm a nobody that thinks I know better than the WWE, but I'm not the only one saying it. A lot of really successful people in the industry have come out and said they thought it sucked a giant donkey dick and made no sense from a business or creative standpoint. I'm not appealing to authority like you are with the WWE, but rather pointing out that there are a lot of people who aren't nobodies that would agree with me -- rendering your ad hominem assault pretty pointless.

Your only point other than "The WWE are giant and therefore know what they are doing," like they haven't made a bad decision in their existence, is "Triple H beating Sting is good because he can now get Seth Rollins, the World Champion, to beat him and make him look great." Except Seth Rollins is about to beat the guy that Triple H himself beat, which renders it all a little redundant, doesn't it? Why get A to beat B to give the rub to C if C is going to beat B anyway?

And if Sting can't beat a dude just ten years younger than him, what chance does he have against someone thirty years younger than him?

[Mr. Nerfect]

I'll try to explain it mathematically for you. Let's attribute values to these wrestlers. Triple H has 1300 points. That's 100 points for every World Title he's won in the WWE. Seth Rollins is therefore on 100 points. Sting has won World Titles, but not in the WWE, so let's include the International World Title and call him a 9-time champ and give him 75% of those 900 points, bringing him to 675. Let's say that a win is worth 10% of what your opponent is worth. If Sting beats Triple H at WrestleMania, his score jumps to 805 points. It's arguable that you could even increase this because of WrestleMania season, but let's call it all even. Triple H beating Sting increases his worth to 1368 points. Now, let's say that Seth Rollins beats Sting AND Triple H in the scenario that we actually have in real-life. He beats Sting for 68 points and he beats Triple H for 137. That's a total of 205 points. But if he beats Sting AND Triple H after Sting beats Triple H? That's 81 points from Sting and 130 from Triple H. That's 211 points -- a whole six points difference. But there you go -- Sting beating Triple H is far more important to increasing Sting's stock than increasing Triple H's.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think maybe one reason SmackDown doesn't really have it's own identity could be due to the fact that it shares the same stage with Raw.

Since the WWE went HD, everything has had the same stage, whereas back in the day, they both had different stages, so when you watched SmackDown and saw the giant fist or the Ovaltron, you knew you were watching SmackDown and it felt like you were watching SmackDown and not just "The Raw Recap Show", which is what it feels like today.



I'm such a big fan of The Lucha Dragons and hearing the news that Los Matadores could be coming to an end is a positive sign for me.

I've always thought that the gimmick was a bit corny, but enjoyable at times, and wasn't going to go anywhere. Epico and Primo were so much better as Epico and Primo. Since getting the gimmick, nobody seems to have taken them seriously, which is understandable. Back when Epico and Primo didn't have a gimmick and had Rosa by their side, they came across as a legitimate threat and more of a legitimate tag team than they currently are as Los Matadores.

For me, I say scrap the gimmick, and have Epico and Primo again. Possibly add Rosa too and they can be your Hispanic heels while The Lucha Dragons can be your Hispanic faces.

Both teams are so worthy of being Tag Team Champions and hopefully it does happen soon.

I'm really enjoying the Tag Team Division right now and to me, it's the best thing going in the WWE at the moment. Usually when I watch Raw these days, I skip pretty much everything apart from the Tag Team matches. The division is probably at it's strongest since around 2008. The division has around eight teams right now, and not one of them is a team that's just been randomly thrown together. They're all legitimate tag teams.

A New Day
The Primetime Players
The Dudley Boyz
Los Matadores
The Usos
The Lucha Dragons
The Ascension
The Wyatt Family (Harper & Strowman I'm assuming could compete in the division)

I really hope this keeps up.

Great post, and I'm on board with you.

The one thing I disagree with is Epico & Primo seeming like a threat. From memory, the WWE did their best to make it seem like they didn't matter. I recall Big Show squashing them in a Handicap Match whilst they were the Tag Team Champions. Los Matadores are silly, but at least it's given them a chance to recharge their real personalities from that sort of damage. And now they might try to push them seriously as a tag team, instead of simply seeing them as bumpers for the name talent.

I've wanted to see Lucha Dragons vs. Los Matadores for the longest time. The matches would be good, given their styles and the history between Primo, Epico and Hunico. Plus you can eventually build to Mask vs. Mask, put the Dragons over, and have Epico y Primo reveal themselves as the men behind the gimmick, then attack the Dragons in a rage and transition things into a Mexico vs. Puerto Rico feud.

After the faces go over in that one, you could consider splitting up Epico and Primo by having one turn on the other, the face sitting at home for a while to gain sympathy, whilst the heel gets a bit of a singles push, only for the other to eventually return looking for blood. I bet Primo could lead Epico through some hot matches.

You don't really need a whole bunch of teams to have a fun tag division. I think it more comes down to the quality of the teams, how they're connecting and how they clash with the other teams. The New Day are firing on all cylinders at the moment, and the feud with The Dudleyz will be over. If you have a feud between Epico/Primo and the Dragons, that's another team building on the side. Eventually you're going to have The Usos back, and can slip The Wyatt Family back into the scene too. That's really all you need, I feel.

[Droford]

I'll try to explain it mathematically for you. Let's attribute values to these wrestlers. Triple H has 1300 points. That's 100 points for every World Title he's won in the WWE. Seth Rollins is therefore on 100 points. Sting has won World Titles, but not in the WWE, so let's include the International World Title and call him a 9-time champ and give him 75% of those 900 points, bringing him to 675. Let's say that a win is worth 10% of what your opponent is worth. If Sting beats Triple H at WrestleMania, his score jumps to 805 points. It's arguable that you could even increase this because of WrestleMania season, but let's call it all even. Triple H beating Sting increases his worth to 1368 points. Now, let's say that Seth Rollins beats Sting AND Triple H in the scenario that we actually have in real-life. He beats Sting for 68 points and he beats Triple H for 137. That's a total of 205 points. But if he beats Sting AND Triple H after Sting beats Triple H? That's 81 points from Sting and 130 from Triple H. That's 211 points -- a whole six points difference. But there you go -- Sting beating Triple H is far more important to increasing Sting's stock than increasing Triple H's.

Imagining this as the scott steiner math promo

[Droford]

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I think Cornette said if someone took the Metzler Driver in his promotion and left the ring under his own power, he'd have fired the guys giving the move AND the guy taking it. I am standing by that thought.

[Emperor Smeat]

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[Lock Jaw]

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[Poit]

Nope. Owens took it perfectly on two straight ppvs. It's Cena's fault.

Can't this same logic be turned around?

Cena executed it perfectly on two straight PPVs. It's Owens's fault.

[Emperor Smeat]

WWE has another Monday Night War themed dvd arriving soon. One of the biggest features to this one is new Eric Bischoff related stuff instead of WWE just reusing the same old interviews from the early to mid 2000s.

New stuff is mostly him reacting to the things said about him on the first Monday Night War dvd and Network series.

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[Disturbed316]

I'm pretty bored of all the Attitude/Monday Night War dvd's, they've done it to death.

[Rammsteinmad]

Yep, time for WWE to

STOP LIVING IN THE PAST!!!

[erickman]

but goofing on russo never gets old

[Simple Fan]

According to WWE.com, Lana suffered a wrist injury while working out in the ring before a WWE Live Event in Fairfax, Virginia over the weekend. WWE’s senior ringside physician Dr. Scott Amann had the following to say about the injury…

“During a training session [Sunday] afternoon, Lana had sustained an injury in the ring. We attended to her and noticed that she had a deformity of her wrist. We obtained X-rays which showed a Colles’ fracture and [we put her] in a splint. Most of these Colles’ fractures do better surgically than non-surgically, especially in younger patients. Most likely this will require an operation, which will take her out of active competition for approximately four months.”

[Lock Jaw]

No more catfighting for four months?!!

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

I guess this just became a potential WrestleMania feud.

[Simple Fan]

So now Summer joins Dolph and Rusev has to find a new Lana again. 4 months Lana returns and we have a love pentagon.

[Droford]

It should be Dolph and Rusev, Bros before....Divas

[Mercenary]

Molly Holly added to the Supermega fest I'm going to.

[Damian Rey]

She can't go to the ring with a splint or cast? You could easily have a backstage interview interrupted by a brawl between two and have them be pulled apart without having them actually touching each other. Then write in Lana injured her wrist in the scuffle.

Even better, get some heat on Rusev by cutting to the locker room with Rusev standing over a fallen Dolph, foreign object, like a lead pipe, chair, or wretch in hand, with Lana lying over him clutching her wrist. Never actually have anyone come out and blatantly say Rusev hit Lana, but instead insinuate she was hurt trying to protect Dolph. Rusev can cut promos saying Lana's injuries are a result of her getting in the way and she has paid the price.

[Nicky Fives]

or they could just acknowledge that she hurt herself training in the ring to kick Summer's ass.....