"100,001" Replies (Wrestling Forum)

[Tom Guycott]

with comedy we rob horrors of their power. its imperative that we tear these things down with humour otherwise we make gods of them.

It's a cool axiom, but it also lies against the "freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequence" line in the sand.

Also, again, the source is part of the problem. This is exactly a joke Dave would have buried someone else over. But since it's him saying it, he thought it would go over great. A five star joke. Six if he had said it in the Tokyo Dome.

[GD]

But since it's him saying it, he thought it would go over great. A five star joke. Six if he had said it in the Tokyo Dome.

:y::lol:

[Destor]

you have freedom of association and meltzer also has the freedom to be wrong and he has the freedom to be a hypocrite too. its no small coincidence that the rise of poor mental health and the rise of comedy police are perfectly parallel. its a human coping skill that we have evolved over millenia that we have only recently decided should be done away with and we're another millenia away from having a replacement for it and it comes with a body count.

[Tom Guycott]

Lets not kid ourselves. 7 stars.

That's only if he were telling it to Kenny Omega. Or maybe even the Young Bucks. Plans change.

[Sepholio]

lmfao accurate

[drave]

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The temp was not right for Charlotte's plastic.

[#1-norm-fan]

This whole Meltzer thing is like if a white guy made a joke about black people loving watermelon and then a black guy was like “:roll: Don’t forget fried chicken.”

And then people became outraged… at the black guy.

[Bad News Gertner]

I mean it doesn't bother me personally that he said it. But in today's world? Sheeeeit that was about as dumb as it gets. We give Trump shit all the time for the stupid shit he said but not even he has gone this low. Don't act like we all don't know that holocaust jokes are considered the very bottom of the barrel and about the worst thing you can say in public. They have been damn near automatic cancellation for a long time now. Dave being Jewish is why I find his comment to be particularly egregious in that sense; if anyone should know better than to make light of it then it's him.

And Gertner. I love you. A lot. I'd dock with you bro. But there is no way in hell that saying "WWE is having the Elimination Chamber in Saudi Arabia because Auschwitz wasn't available" is anything other than a holocaust joke. A bad joke, but still a joke.

And wtf does Bruce Prichard have to do with this anyways? Fuck that guy too. He needs to retire like 15 years ago. His brother was cooler anyways.

Bruce Prichard started this constant "let's continuously try and play gotcha with Meltzer" garbage with his podcast.

[drave]

And that's how they reinvent their product, and subscriptions.




Next, it'll be how many subscribers leave one for the other. And sadly, it'll be the most interesting thing to happen in all of professional wrestling.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

It's a cool axiom, but it also lies against the "freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequence" line in the sand.

Also, again, the source is part of the problem. This is exactly a joke Dave would have buried someone else over. But since it's him saying it, he thought it would go over great. A five star joke. Six if he had said it in the Tokyo Dome.

Do you think it holocost him any subscribers?

[Bad News Gertner]

He wasn't even joking about the Holocaust. It's just faux outrage from people who hate Meltzer.

"The WWE are holding an event in a country that murders their own people and has committed war crimes and atrocities because apparently a place that committed war crimes and atrocities where people were murdered wasn't available. How is that in any way shape or form joking or belittling the Holocaust.

[Destor]

that post has no connection to the holocaust even in passing

[xrodmuc316]

The problem is Meltzer was not actually trying to be funny, he was trying to bury WWE. He is so far down that path it clouds his judgment. It is more important to make WWE look bad then be mindful of what comes out of his mouth, to the point where his warped perspective is WWE and the Holocaust are the same level of bad. He did not even realize how wrong that was until outside criticism came, then he issued a half hearted apology to save face. The fact that he said he had family members killed there so it is ok that he said it is further proof that he does not understand why what he said is offensive to other people.

And no it is just not Bruce Pritchard people playing gotcha, it was Jewish Leaders and Organizations that condemned him using THAT to pop his listeners, making them also think that is alright to say.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Meltzer probably thought he could get away with it because he’s Jewish. It’s far from the most tasteless thing anyone has ever said or done, but people are getting fed up with the guy’s shit. So when he makes a comment about women having fake tits (something I defended him for), and a quip using the holocaust to try and prop up a complete non-point (something l’m not because fuck this guy), people are going to call him out for it.

It’s aim and tone. Everybody and their mothers can make the joke about a show called “Elimination Chamber” in Saudi Arabia. Dave tripping over his feet to make that joke and link it to Nazi Germany has got a few people going “Dude…” I mean, common sense would dictate that the show isn’t going to be called that (and likely never was). Because of stuff like this, funnily enough.

[Bad News Gertner]

The problem is Meltzer was not actually trying to be funny, he was trying to bury WWE. He is so far down that path it clouds his judgment. It is more important to make WWE look bad then be mindful of what comes out of his mouth, to the point where his warped perspective is WWE and the Holocaust are the same level of bad. He did not even realize how wrong that was until outside criticism came, then he issued a half hearted apology to save face. The fact that he said he had family members killed there so it is ok that he said it is further proof that he does not understand why what he said is offensive to other people.

And no it is just not Bruce Pritchard people playing gotcha, it was Jewish Leaders and Organizations that condemned him using THAT to pop his listeners, making them also think that is alright to say.

I meant the whole "anti Meltzer" stuff began because of Prichard

[Mr. Nerfect]

I meant the whole "anti Meltzer" stuff began because of Prichard

He’s certainly given it a bit of wind. I mean, I never paid much attention to Meltzer until about…2015? I always assumed he got some stuff right, some stuff wrong. But I was aware of this “lol at people who trust the dirt sheets mentality.” But I also remember not believing a lot of stuff was like the sheets reported because it just didn’t make sense…and it turned out they were wrong.

Just a long-winded way of saying that I think there was definitely anti-Meltzer sentiments before Prichard, but that’s obviously been a big story in the development of Meltzer’s relationship with the internet crowds.

[xrodmuc316]

I meant the whole "anti Meltzer" stuff began because of Prichard

I can fairly say I thought Dave Meltzer was a d-bag LONG before Bruce Prichard said people should be Anti Meltzer.

[Sepholio]

This whole Meltzer thing is like if a white guy made a joke about black people loving watermelon and then a black guy was like “:roll: Don’t forget fried chicken.”

And then people became outraged… at the black guy.

Your comparison might make sense...if there was someone else (that I guess would have to be non-Jewish) setting Meltzer up for the punchline. There wasn't. It was all him. He did it by himself.

[#1-norm-fan]

The setup was WWE having a show called “Elimination Chamber” in Saudi Arabia. Meltzer’s joke was a response to that.

[Sepholio]

LOL that's a bit of a stretch and is nowhere near the same thing as what you presented. Comparing WWE having a PPV for the last 20 years called Elimination Chamber to a white guy joking about black people loving watermelon? Are you going for an Xrod gimmick now? Is that what this is?

[xrodmuc316]

The setup was WWE having a show called “Elimination Chamber” in Saudi Arabia. Meltzer’s joke was a response to that.

Gas Chamber and Elimination Chamber are the same thing, because... Fed Bad?

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Gas Chamber and Elimination Chamber are the same thing, because... Fed Bad?

In Germany they don’t call the event “Elimination Chamber” and I bet you’ll never be able to guess why!

[#1-norm-fan]

LOL that's a bit of a stretch and is nowhere near the same thing as what you presented. Comparing WWE having a PPV for the last 20 years called Elimination Chamber to a white guy joking about black people loving watermelon? Are you going for an Xrod gimmick now? Is that what this is?

You realize WWE themselves changed the name of the PPV in Germany specifically to avoid this issue, right? So they were well aware of the issue with the title in certain settings and decided to hold the event in Saudi Arabia.

Now, you can argue whether people SHOULD be offended by that. But to find offense in the joke made by a Jew in response to it is some insane misplaced outrage.

[#1-norm-fan]

And what’s this about an “xrod gimmick”!?! You can insult me all you want but if you do it by implying that xrod is anything but a man with a very solid grasp of logic then I’ll have to object!

[xrodmuc316]

In Germany they don’t call the event “Elimination Chamber” and I bet you’ll never be able to guess why!

I think you think you are arguing against me, but there is a difference in Germany, the perpetrator, being sensitive to promoting the word chamber, and using the victims as a punchline. Bringing up the Holocaust as a joke to demean the Fed he dislikes because he likes a different Fed better is not a reasonable course of action.

[xrodmuc316]

You realize WWE themselves changed the name of the PPV in Germany specifically to avoid this issue, right? So they were well aware of the issue with the title in certain settings and decided to hold the event in Saudi Arabia.

Now, you can argue whether people SHOULD be offended by that. But to find offense in the joke made by a Jew in response to it is some insane misplaced outrage.

I am unaware of Saudi Arabia murdering millions of people in a gas chamber. That is the comparison Meltzer made. Now he was probably having an issue with the Elimination part of the title, but that is not the comparison he made, and he was rightly criticized.

[Lock Jaw]

Finally had to go look up what this Tweet was..... was gonna write a response, but writing it I realized that I don't actually care, so abandoning the post.

[GD]

Wow! Can't believe that no good Tony Khan tweeted in support of Meltzer :nono:

[#1-norm-fan]

I am unaware of Saudi Arabia murdering millions of people in a gas chamber.

…

I’m obligated by my own rule and a vow to TPWW to pretend that this is a smart observation. So… This is me doing that.

[Sepholio]

I am unaware of Saudi Arabia murdering millions of people in a gas chamber.

Saudi Arabia has basically turned their whole area of the middle east into one giant Elimination Chamber at one point or another. Look at Yemen rn. They have bombed like 200k people into the next world and blown the whole place to smithereens and are intentionally stopping food and aid from getting in there. Like 10 million people are currently in a famine and at risk of starving to death with another 15 million having very very low food security. Millions of people made homeless. Masses of refugees.

It may not be a gas chamber but lets not be so blind as to pretend Saudi doesn't have an atrociously vile track record.

[Sepholio]

I wonder if maybe WWE changed the EC name in Germany (I think they changed it in 2009, give or take a year) because of the way Germany is continually tightening the laws there around speech regarding the holocaust/Nazis? I believe they were doing a lot of modification to those laws around then doing with how to handle the subject when it was broached by media or on social media. Maybe the figured they would just change it to avoid any potential legal trouble down the line.

Haven't they changed it more than once since then? I think they use "No Escape" now. But I think there was another name for a few years in there somewhere.

[Sepholio]

Serious psa though: If any of you ever go to Germany it is best not to even talk about the holocaust or Nazis. Like if you are on a tour or in a museum or something I imagine it's ok. But otherwise don't even risk it. You can find yourself in trouble in a hurry from the stories I've heard from guys I know who were stationed over there. One of my good friends got in some shit when he was off post drunk one night and made a dumb holocaust joke and the wrong person heard it.

[xrodmuc316]

I absolutely understand that atrocities have been committed by SA. That itself is of course worthy of criticism. I need to state that clearly so we don't give anybody here the chance to miss the actual point.

The issue is Meltzer connecting the dots to Auschwitz because of "Chamber". The issue is Meltzer needing so badly to criticize WWE that he did not even consider that bastardizing the Holocaust to take a dig was not going to be received well.

[xrodmuc316]

…

I’m obligated by my own rule and a vow to TPWW to pretend that this is a smart observation. So… This is me doing that.

This is quickly becoming the new "I have this person and that person blocked, so...". Did you read the rest of that post?

I am unaware of Saudi Arabia murdering millions of people in a gas chamber. That is the comparison Meltzer made. Now he was probably having an issue with the Elimination part of the title, but that is not the comparison he made, and he was rightly criticized.

Do not pick one sentence and try to represent it like I did not explain further, you are better than that.

[ron the dial]

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[#1-norm-fan]

We know what this all comes down to.

MELTZER BAD

[#1-norm-fan]

I heard Meltzer sneezed today.

He clearly did it for the sole purpose of shitting on WWE since Vince hates sneezing.

[Vastardikai]

Herb Abrams invented Meltzer bad, for the record. Went so far as to name a jobber after him.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">How had I never heard of the time that some dude in a wig (who looks like Dana Carvey) convinced whoever was running the May 19, 1986 WWF MSG card that he was Sammy Hagar and should be allowed in the ring to address the crowd? <a href="https://t.co/eYfShQEyPg">pic.twitter.com/eYfShQEyPg</a></p>&mdash; David Bixenspan (@davidbix) <a href="https://twitter.com/davidbix/status/980642949448028160?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 2, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

What

[#1-norm-fan]

I’ve wondered about the story behind that for years.

[Tom Guycott]

This whole Meltzer thing is like if a white guy made a joke about black people loving watermelon and then a black guy was like “:roll: Don’t forget fried chicken.”

And then people became outraged… at the black guy.

What exactly does Tiger Woods have to do with any of this?

[DAMN iNATOR]

I wonder if maybe WWE changed the EC name in Germany (I think they changed it in 2009, give or take a year) because of the way Germany is continually tightening the laws there around speech regarding the holocaust/Nazis? I believe they were doing a lot of modification to those laws around then doing with how to handle the subject when it was broached by media or on social media. Maybe the figured they would just change it to avoid any potential legal trouble down the line.

Haven't they changed it more than once since then? I think they use "No Escape" now. But I think there was another name for a few years in there somewhere.

In 2010, the first year an EC themed PPV was done, Germany retained the No Way Out nomenclature.

[GD]

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[DAMN iNATOR]

Did ya'll know that the female background singer on HBK "Sexy Boy" is actually Jimmy Hart. Had no idea.

Me either. And just recently I found out that the Big Show's classic "Big" theme was sung by Michael P.S. Hayes. I was kind of surprised, but only because I wasn't aware he was a singer who had done some stuff quite a while before that.

[Sepholio]

In 2010, the first year an EC themed PPV was done, Germany retained the No Way Out nomenclature.

That's right, it was just a random match they used at other PPVs before that wasn't it?

[Sepholio]

Looked it up just now. Apparently it was the law in Germany regarding Nazi imagery that caused them to make the change. Guess it was too close for comfort after all and they didn't want to risk it.

[drave]

Serious psa though: If any of you ever go to Germany it is best not to even talk about the holocaust or Nazis. Like if you are on a tour or in a museum or something I imagine it's ok. But otherwise don't even risk it. You can find yourself in trouble in a hurry from the stories I've heard from guys I know who were stationed over there. One of my good friends got in some shit when he was off post drunk one night and made a dumb holocaust joke and the wrong person heard it.


There are quite a few laws that make most mentions of this time period illegal. Possessing items from that time frame is illegal as well.


You, of course, still have the supporters in very weak numbers, but it isn't something that is publicly discussed. Lived there for a few years.

[Splaya]

I absolutely understand that atrocities have been committed by SA. That itself is of course worthy of criticism. I need to state that clearly so we don't give anybody here the chance to miss the actual point.

The issue is Meltzer connecting the dots to Auschwitz because of "Chamber". The issue is Meltzer needing so badly to criticize WWE that he did not even consider that bastardizing the Holocaust to take a dig was not going to be received well.

But Meltzer doesn't care. He has his cult following that will always disagree with anything that WWE produces. Like look at his match rating system, there have been some fantastic matches over the past 4-5 years and Meltzer goes "Nah 2 stars" and his fanboys completely agree with him and argue to the death with people about it.

[Bad News Gertner]

It's towards the end. Fucking hilarious.

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[Bad News Gertner]

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[#1-norm-fan]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">How had I never heard of the time that some dude in a wig (who looks like Dana Carvey) convinced whoever was running the May 19, 1986 WWF MSG card that he was Sammy Hagar and should be allowed in the ring to address the crowd? <a href="https://t.co/eYfShQEyPg">pic.twitter.com/eYfShQEyPg</a></p>&mdash; David Bixenspan (@davidbix) <a href="https://twitter.com/davidbix/status/980642949448028160?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 2, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

What

I’ve wondered about the story behind that for years.

I was hoping Gertner would have found something about this because I’ve looked. All I know is it’s definitely not Dana Carvey, which is the big urban legend surrounding it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

But Meltzer doesn't care. He has his cult following that will always disagree with anything that WWE produces. Like look at his match rating system, there have been some fantastic matches over the past 4-5 years and Meltzer goes "Nah 2 stars" and his fanboys completely agree with him and argue to the death with people about it.

Bingo. It’s all marketing. “WWE = bad” sells his newsletters to the people who aren’t happy with WWE. The people who are content with it, or aren’t such hardcore obsessives about it are less likely to engage with a newsletter anyway.

I think Dave has gone too far in that direction, especially when contrasted against praise for AEW (which isn’t as critically well-received as he’ll make out), because I genuinely think it’s locked him out of having sources in the WWE at all. And the AEW guys are so close to him they treat him like a super-fan. He never breaks anything anymore. He’s just got these sycophantic opinions and a bit of a readership who, for some reason, takes them seriously, even though they are demonstrably baseless.

[Bad News Gertner]

I was hoping Gertner would have found something about this because I’ve looked. All I know is it’s definitely not Dana Carvey, which is the big urban legend surrounding it.

Dude, I've actually spoken to Lanny Poffo(he wrestled on the card)about this lol. Nobody knows.

[Jordan]

Bingo. It’s all marketing. “WWE = bad” sells his newsletters to the people who aren’t happy with WWE. The people who are content with it, or aren’t such hardcore obsessives about it are less likely to engage with a newsletter anyway.

I think Dave has gone too far in that direction, especially when contrasted against praise for AEW (which isn’t as critically well-received as he’ll make out), because I genuinely think it’s locked him out of having sources in the WWE at all. And the AEW guys are so close to him they treat him like a super-fan. He never breaks anything anymore. He’s just got these sycophantic opinions and a bit of a readership who, for some reason, takes them seriously, even though they are demonstrably baseless.

I used to subscribe to The Observer, for maybe 5 or 6 years, maybe more I don't know. It was really interesting to me for a time but at some point it was obvious that Dave wasn't the "foremost" insider any more and "just an analyst" with a lot of friends in wrestling.

Obviously Meltzer slants towards his audience because in all likelihood it's a dwindling subscription, his board reflects his subscribers and it's quite inactive these days compared to normal. Still much more active than this board but dead for how busy it normally was.

I still have a board account there for some reason even though I haven't paid for years.

I don't even care to read Meltzer's star ratings, it's bullshit anyway. The anime main event NJPW style kinda changed the game and made it impossible to go faster and harder and longer.

I don't know why you guys are always talking about Meltzer like what he says matters. He's just an old wrestling fan who lives on the austisim spectrum and has bad pimples and is like 60.

[Lock Jaw]

Breaking news: "journalists" of an unscrupulous carny business are themselves unscrupulous carnies out to make a buck.

[GD]

Breaking news: "journalists" of an unscrupulous carny business are themselves unscrupulous carnies out to make a buck.

Oh my!

[XL]

I mean, yeah.

Reading Noid’s post I couldn’t help think “isn’t this just like all corporate news outlets/YouTube channels? Slanted one way or the other, without expressly stating ‘we are pro-this, or anti-that’, putting out content with a quantity over quality mentality, to a niche audience that just gets pumped for more views/buys?”. The difference between Dave and most tabloid journalists is negligible at this point.

[slik]

very, very, very, very, very accurate


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[Mr. Nerfect]

I don’t think anyone is saying that it’s shocking. But you can still discern with a critical eye something from sources. One of the first things we got taught in school was that everything had a bias. You’ve got to look for what that bias is, then work out whether the things being said are based on evidence.

That doesn’t mean things need to be so blatant. It doesn’t make lying great. And other people doing it doesn’t make it okay.

[slik]

Classic WBF moment


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[slik]

RAW will be bumped to SyFy for Feb 7 and 14 and instead The Olympics will air on USA Network

Feb 7 - Figure Skating
Feb 14 - Skiing

[DAMN iNATOR]

They're bumping it for not even good sports? BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

[DAMN iNATOR]

That's right, it was just a random match they used at other PPVs before that wasn't it?

Yep.Survivor Series '02, SummerSlam '03, New Year's Revolution '05 & '06, and No Way Out '08 & '09. I'm guessing since the last 2 I listed took place at a PPV in February, Vince decided giving it its own themed PPV in that month would be "best for business". And yes, I willfully ignored December to Dismember '06 because fuck that match.

[Sepholio]

RAW will be bumped to SyFy for Feb 7 and 14 and instead The Olympics will air on USA Network

Feb 7 - Figure Skating
Feb 14 - Skiing

They're bumping it for not even good sports? BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

I dunno wtf you are talking about DAMN. I don't know about skiing but Olympic figure skating is a pretty damn big ratings draw. Bet it draws more than every wrestling show for the week from every company combined.

[Bad News Gertner]

Figure skating has to be the #1 watched winter Olympic event

[xrodmuc316]

very, very, very, very, very accurate


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LOL that damn Shawn pinning Bret for a 3 count at Wrestlemania 16, what a jerk!

[Sepholio]

Figure skating has to be the #1 watched winter Olympic event

Exactly. If it's not it's very close. I could see the finals in hockey being a big draw. Curling (the greatest sport on Earth) is probably right up there too.

[Bad News Gertner]

I was hoping Gertner would have found something about this because I’ve looked. All I know is it’s definitely not Dana Carvey, which is the big urban legend surrounding it.

Now you've got me on another hunt. Damn you. Tito Santana just responded that he has no recollection. Dan Spivey is the one I need to seek out

[Bad News Gertner]

Lmao the WWE just filed to trademark the name of a Nazi Commander : Gunther Stark

[Sepholio]

How long before fans give him the salute?

[Bad News Gertner]

Probably Meltzers fault

[slik]

Von Wagner sounds off

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[ClockShot]

RAW will be bumped to SyFy for Feb 7 and 14 and instead The Olympics will air on USA Network

Feb 7 - Figure Skating
Feb 14 - Skiing


They're bumping it for not even good sports? BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

Hey man. Nathan Chen and Mikaela Shiffrin are a big deal.

But, nothing compares to Bobsled and Curling.

[Bad News Gertner]

Don West's brain cancer came back

[Sepholio]

Probably Meltzers fault

I heard it was Bruce Prichard trying to frame him.

[Sepholio]

Damn sad to hear that about Don. Hope they can put it in remission again.

[#1-norm-fan]

Now you've got me on another hunt. Damn you. Tito Santana just responded that he has no recollection. Dan Spivey is the one I need to seek out

I feel like only someone from the office would have information on what happened. And it was pre-Prichard. So… I’m worried we’re pretty much out of luck.

[Bad News Gertner]

David Bixenspan has been looking into this for years and if he can't figure it out I probably won't. Finkel would have been perfect if he were alive.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

I found an archived Craphole post that claims it was a rib which honestly makes the most sense.

[Bad News Gertner]

You can tell security catches on cause they sure rush him out of there

[Supreme Olajuwon]

If it was a rib on Fink, Gorilla, and Lord Alfred, who would all have no idea who Sammy Hagar is, that’s a very funny joke.

[slik]

Sounds like Walter is getting a name change to Gunther

prob getting called up soon

[slik]

ok the name WWE trademarked for Walter is apparently an actual Nazi figure from history

lord

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Gunther Stark was one of the Kriegsmarines, the Kriegsmarines <br>was the navy of Nazi Germany, if Walter is gonna now be know as Gunther cool, if he's gonna be known as Gunther Stark not cool. <a href="https://t.co/COu2sgqwkV">pic.twitter.com/COu2sgqwkV</a></p>&mdash; Balor Club Guy (@TheBalorClubGuy) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheBalorClubGuy/status/1483643285554016259?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 19, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[GD]

ok the name WWE trademarked for Walter is apparently an actual Nazi figure from history

lord

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Gunther Stark was one of the Kriegsmarines, the Kriegsmarines <br>was the navy of Nazi Germany, if Walter is gonna now be know as Gunther cool, if he's gonna be known as Gunther Stark not cool. <a href="https://t.co/COu2sgqwkV">pic.twitter.com/COu2sgqwkV</a></p>&mdash; Balor Club Guy (@TheBalorClubGuy) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheBalorClubGuy/status/1483643285554016259?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 19, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Jesus :nono:

[Triple A]

jesus @ changing Walter's name to "Gunther"............

[ron the dial]

D12 - Get My Gunther

[Bad News Gertner]

Lol Jesus Christ, Rick Steiner knocked that fucker out

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Coming up on Next Monday's <a href="https://twitter.com/BTSheetsPod?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BTSheetsPod</a> we will be joined by <a href="https://twitter.com/Sempervive?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Sempervive</a> and we will tell the story of Rick &amp; Scott Steiner vs. Paul Lee &amp; Ray Hammer......<br><br>Viewer Discretion is Advised <a href="https://t.co/vSBP6izOgT">pic.twitter.com/vSBP6izOgT</a></p>&mdash; Kris Zellner (@KrisZellner) <a href="https://twitter.com/KrisZellner/status/1483650256126545921?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 19, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[slik]

Feel like Walter, excuse me, Gunther, will prob be a comedy gimmick chasing the 24/7 title on the main roster

[Triple A]

Jeez @ that Steiner clothesline... what's the "story" that tweet is referring to? Seems like he broke the guy's jaw or throat and/or concussed him...

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Looks like he just caught him flush under the chin

[Bad News Gertner]

Jeez @ that Steiner clothesline... what's the "story" that tweet is referring to? Seems like he broke the guy's jaw or throat and/or concussed him...

Not sure. First I've seen this. I listen to their podcast every week so I guess I'll find out then

[Damian Rey 2.0]

He knocked that guy into the multiverse. Still, the got who crane kicked Rick got a meaner one.

[Tom Guycott]

Me either. And just recently I found out that the Big Show's classic "Big" theme was sung by Michael P.S. Hayes. I was kind of surprised, but only because I wasn't aware he was a singer who had done some stuff quite a while before that.

I wouldn't have believed it because Michael Hays is actually pretty shit at being a singer, and he actually incorporated it into his gimmick. It wasn't even simply to get Freebirds heat: he legit thought he could sing.

The growly simplicity of that song might have actually helped hide that fact. If he actually had to do something more melodic, he would need ALL the autotune. Not even in the intentionally overproduced robotic way, but in the sound quality improvement way it was originally meant to be used.

As for Jimmy Hart: that is a surprise me to just now learn, but it makes sense and Jimmy has done a lot for a long time with entrance music. Wouldn't be shocked to find out he did more background vocals like that where nobody knew it was him.

[Tom Guycott]

Feel like Walter, excuse me, Gunther, will prob be a comedy gimmick chasing the 24/7 title on the main roster

Here's hoping this is just the result of someone showing Vince that movie "Killing Gunther", and Walter will come out in disguise every week.

As shitty as what I said was, it would be way better than the implication of completely leaning into being a straight-up Nazi way more than any of the Ringkampf or Imperium stuff ever did.

[Evil Vito]

WALTER was never a great name. But setting aside any thoughts on the Gunther ring name.....changing his name after 3 years in the company, and with a 2.5 year title reign to his name, is so fucking dumb.

[GD]

I think this name change will be the end of Mr. Nerfect. RIP

[GD]

Saw the promo package for Sarray’s return :nono:

[Evil Vito]

Bruce Prichard, everybody!

[Bad News Gertner]

Scott Steiner in the mid 80's

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Scott in the mid-80’s working for Dick the Bruiser. <a href="https://t.co/HGQOz7b4cx">pic.twitter.com/HGQOz7b4cx</a></p>&mdash; Pro Wrestling Gifs (@prowrestle_gifs) <a href="https://twitter.com/prowrestle_gifs/status/1483627973257351170?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 19, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[drave]

stark = strong in German. That's probably why they went with it, but they would HAVE to know about the historical figure.....

[#1-norm-fan]

Jeez, WWE. Was the “Joseph Goebbels” trademark taken?

[Sepholio]

stark = strong in German. That's probably why they went with it, but they would HAVE to know about the historical figure.....

Nobody in this thread knew who Gunther Stark was before this. Why would they have to know? He's not some huge big name historical figure. He was a random U-boat captain.

[Sepholio]

Meltzer makes an Auschwitz joke and everythings peachy. Nothing to see here.

WWE names a guy and it happens to be the name of some obscure Nazi submarine captain nobody has ever heard of: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE~

Make it make sense.

[Destor]

its absolutely ridiculous to claim anyone should have known about this long dead person and its twice as silly to think anyone who now knows should care.

[Destor]

this manufactured outrage has to be exhausting

[Sepholio]

If they named him Hitler or Goebbels or something, yeah. I get it. But if we are striking every name that happened to be used by a Nazi? Well that's gonna be a hell of a tall order.

I bet there are people on this board with the same name as a Nazi rn.

[#1-norm-fan]

its absolutely ridiculous to claim anyone should have known about this long dead person and its twice as silly to think anyone who now knows should care.

And it’s three times as silly to be outraged if a Jew makes a joke referencing the blunder.

[M-A-G]

stark = strong in German. That's probably why they went with it, but they would HAVE to know about the historical figure.....

They didn't even realize the possible connotations regarding The Submission Sorority.

[Sepholio]

The blunder? LOL. Is that what the holocaust was? Silly me. I thought it was the greatest atrocity in the history of mankind. I didn't realize it was just a simple blunder.

[M-A-G]

If they named him Hitler or Goebbels or something, yeah. I get it. But if we are striking every name that happened to be used by a Nazi? Well that's gonna be a hell of a tall order.

I bet there are people on this board with the same name as a Nazi rn.

Being Hispanic I think I'm pretty safe in that regard.

[Sepholio]

And it’s three times as silly to be outraged if a Jew makes a joke referencing the blunder.

Also amusing that Meltzers exact goal with the statement was to cause outrage. Just at WWE. Not him.

[#1-norm-fan]

The blunder? LOL. Is that what the holocaust was? Silly me. I thought it was the greatest atrocity in the history of mankind. I didn't realize it was just a simple blunder.

Oh come on! You know I’m referencing WWE’s blunder!

[M-A-G]

The blunder? LOL. Is that what the holocaust was? Silly me. I thought it was the greatest atrocity in the history of mankind. I didn't realize it was just a simple blunder.

The invasion of Poland was just a prank amongst neighbors. Afterwards Poland was all "Oh, you guys."

[#1-norm-fan]

The Holocaust itself was at LEAST an “oopsie daisy”.

[Sepholio]

Which blunder did WWE make? Using the same name for the same match they've been using for years? Having it in Saudi Arabia which is absolutely meaningless because it's just a match? What is the difference between having that match in New York or Saudi Arabia other than fake outrage because WWE bad?

I don't see where they made a blunder. I see Meltzer trying to make people think they did with a piss poor attempt at humor.

[M-A-G]

Remember when Tojo left a bag of flaming doggy doo on Roosevelt's front porch?

[#1-norm-fan]

Which blunder did WWE make? Using the same name for the same match they've been using for years? Having it in Saudi Arabia which is absolutely meaningless because it's just a match? What is the difference between having that match in New York or Saudi Arabia other than fake outrage because WWE bad?

I don't see where they made a blunder. I see Meltzer trying to make people think they did with a piss poor attempt at humor.

The outrage started before Meltzer made the joke. And whether people should be outraged or not is beside the point. The outrage aimed at a Jew making fun of the situation is ridiculous. Go ahead and argue that he should have thicker skin. Don’t get outraged that he made a joke in response to it. Lol

[#1-norm-fan]

…WWE bad?

… This is a trap. Goddamn you.

[XL]

I think this name change will be the end of Mr. Nerfect. RIP

It’s actually a great call by WWE to change his name. If you’re trying to appeal to a younger audience the last thing you want is for the kids to Google him and have a tonne of Breaking Bad videos returned with all their over the top violence, or worse, Walter is an old dudes name, imagine how uncool it’d look to the young kids when they’re met with 100 images of old dudes called Walter. Much better to rename him Gunther Stark to avoid any search engine issues like that.








:shifty:

[Evil Vito]

Other suggested NXT gimmick changes:

Dexter Lumis to Charlie Chaplin
Diamond Mine to an improv comedy troupe
Io Shirai to a jazz lounge singer

[Sepholio]

I have a feeling they'll never use the Stark name tbh. I'm assuming he was going to have something to do with that one girl Zoey like someone else said I think. WWE like to avoid using the same name for multiple people so when they do it it's usually on purpose.

Whatever the case, him debuting on NXT as just Gunther is probably indicative that they won't be using the Stark name. Let's be real, if they had him debut has Gunther Stark last night then 6 months or a year from now we'd all be talking about how dumb it was for them to suddenly just drop the Stark name as they inevitably would.

[M-A-G]

https://i.imgur.com/rTBE9qa.jpeg

[Sepholio]

Other suggested NXT gimmick changes:

Dexter Lumis to Charlie Chaplin
Diamond Mine to an improv comedy troupe
Io Shirai to a jazz lounge singer

lol a jazz singer gimmick could actually be interesting. Not for Io though. With all the rap gimmicks we've had it'd be a nice change to have someone playing the piano and crooning out zingers with a velvety smooth voice.

Improv comedy group is basically every comedy gimmick these days though tbh. And if anyone could actually pull off a Chaplin gimmick it'd probably be Lumis lol

The saddest part of all this is that I actually had to google it to verify you were joking because I would not be surprised if all of that was true given we're talking about the fed here.

[Sepholio]

Lounge singer guy has to wear a zoot suit and blackout shades as part of the gimmick. Should come out to Zoot Suit Riot by Cherry Poppin' Daddies. Would be super over af and you know it.

[screech]

Lounge singer gimmick would be super fun, tbh

[Evil Vito]

It'll just be the newest iteration of Corbin when they get bored of the happy stuff. Doesn't even have to change the attire that much.

Jazzy Corbin

[Sepholio]

You found the one way to ruin the gimmick. Is that you Vince?

[BigCrippyZ]

Given that WWE is all about trademarking talent names, it's amazing that both a USPTO and a common law search analysis of the name, which would or at least should also entail a simple Google search, wasn't apparently done.

[Evil Vito]

You found the one way to ruin the gimmick. Is that you Vince?

https://media2.giphy.com/media/l1IBiEzytfXFtkPVm/200.gif

[M-A-G]

Aww, son of a....!!!

[Blonde Moment]

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[Blonde Moment]

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[XL]

Given that WWE is all about trademarking talent names, it's amazing that both a USPTO and a common law search analysis of the name, which would or at least should also entail a simple Google search, wasn't apparently done.

Fed Dumb.

[Fignuts]

They should make him a nazi and the descendant of that guy, and say hes here to get revenge on the world and restore the glorious Reich!

Instant number 1 heel

[Mr. Nerfect]

I’m not too attached to the name “WALTER.” It also makes sense for the WWE to trademark his name. Not sure how I feel about “Gunther Stark” on pure aesthetics. It could kind of grow on me over time. I’ve never heard of the Nazi before. Seems weird to get so upset about it if it’s arcane knowledge. No way they do it now. Say hello to “Franz Huber!”

Just looked up that name…also a Nazi. Then I got the composer of Silent Night.

[Mr. Nerfect]

They should make him a nazi and the descendant of that guy, and say hes here to get revenge on the world and restore the glorious Reich!

Instant number 1 heel

He’ll probably get cheered in some parts of the US.

[Evil Vito]

I feel like if they had just debuted WALTER as Gunther, there would've been that initial moan everybody has when they change the name of an established indy guy...but we would've all gotten used to it and moved on.

It's just the timing of it that confuses me. Why change it after he's been around all this time? And with seemingly little explanation other than him just declaring his name change after a match.

[Triple A]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJfD1svXsAwSpYR?format=jpg&name=large

[Mr. Nerfect]

Gunther defeats Roderick Strong on NXT and absorbs his last name.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/OnThisDayInWWE?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#OnThisDayInWWE</a> 15 years ago, Bam Bam Bigelow died.<br><br>He was just 45.<br><br>Bret Hart said: &quot;Bam Bam Bigelow was the best big man in the business. Always so strong, so quick, and most of all he was safe, a real pro in the ring.&quot;<a href="https://t.co/wcqr5Ft9pg">pic.twitter.com/wcqr5Ft9pg</a></p>&mdash; On This Day in WWE (@OTD_in_WWE) <a href="https://twitter.com/OTD_in_WWE/status/1483812950330781696?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 19, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Bad News Gertner]

Bam Bam was so good so fast. He should have been booked as a heel in the WWF when he first came in. He could have had a great feud with Hogan. Instead they put him with bootleg Cap Lou Albano (Humperdink). He wasn't gonna get anywhere in WCW because Flair didn't like him and would bury him on promos.

[drave]

Nobody in this thread knew who Gunther Stark was before this. Why would they have to know? He's not some huge big name historical figure. He was a random U-boat captain.


its absolutely ridiculous to claim anyone should have known about this long dead person and its twice as silly to think anyone who now knows should care.


He's so infamous for being a nobody it took the "general public" less than 12 hours to find this name.


As a global brand, these things have to be thought about, especially something so "easy to find".


I agree that no one should really care about it at this point, but let's not pretend that isn't the shitty way things work anymore.

[Mr. Nerfect]

They shouldn’t have used the name and you should type a name you are trying to trademark into Google first, but people don’t know his name off the top of their heads. And the guy doesn’t have a Wikipedia page. His name definitely pops up in some pieces on the Olympia Crew, but all the top links now are actually about the wrestler and this story.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Like, it’s obvious the WWE didn’t know about this. So why blast them over it? Other than possibly poor research. But like I said, I made up a random Austrian name and got a Nazi that DID have a Wikipedia page.

[xrodmuc316]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJfD1svXsAwSpYR?format=jpg&name=large

I could be wrong, but they probably could not trademark the name Gunther by itself, and unfortunately nobody checked the last name their random name generator generated.

That is somebody dropping the ball for sure.

Changing the name of a guy you have employed for years AND who has been put on main roster PPVs before is just Vince McMahon being a wacky old fuck.

Can't wait for Dakota Kai's main roster call up with her new name Aileen Wuornos :fu:

[Evil Vito]

Walter Stark actually sounds like a cool name. Would allow everyone to just keep calling him Walter yet they'd still own the ring name. And it'd have avoided any "controversy".

I know you can't trademark somebody's full real name but plenty of guys have had names trademarked where it's their shoot first name and a fake last name. Maybe the laws have changed.

Guess they didn't want to cut Walter Stark in 2 years and then have Walter show back up elsewhere because the names are too close....but like, damn. Everyone's gonna know it's the same guy. Just feels silly to me. Ah well. As long as he's chopping the shit out of people whatever he's doing, I'm happy for him.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Walter Stark is the name of Iron Man’s dad. And another WWII figure. Not a nazi — but naming someone after someone positively remembered can still cause backlash in this day and age.

[ron the dial]

Howard Stark

[GD]

They should make him a nazi and the descendant of that guy, and say hes here to get revenge on the world and restore the glorious Reich!

Instant number 1 heel

He’ll probably get cheered in some parts of the US.

It's in fashion to take shots at America. This guy never misses an opportunity. Very xenophobic.

[GD]

Howard Stark

Howard Walter Stark :'(

[ron the dial]

Howard Walter Stark :'(

Howard Anthony Walter Stark :'(

[GD]

Damb Nazi pos

[Supreme Olajuwon]

At least he lost some weight so he looks less like a giant smooth baby

[Evil Vito]

LOL Scotty 2 Hotty claims in an interview that Vince wanted the Performance Center coachers to cut their hair and dye their beards to look younger.

[Bad News Gertner]

Freddie Prinze Jr's new wrestling podcast is fascinating

It's called Wrestling with Freddie.

[Bad News Gertner]

Just finished the first two episodes and it's tremendous. Hearing all the horseshit and backstage stuff that Freddie went through is just crazy. It has now made my rotation and gets the Gertner Stamp of Approval.

[Tom Guycott]

WALTER was never a great name. But setting aside any thoughts on the Gunther ring name.....changing his name after 3 years in the company, and with a 2.5 year title reign to his name, is so fucking dumb.

***I could be wrong, but they probably could not trademark the name Gunther by itself, and unfortunately nobody checked the last name their random name generator generated.

That is somebody dropping the ball for sure.

Changing the name of a guy you have employed for years AND who has been put on main roster PPVs before is just Vince McMahon being a wacky old fuck.

Can't wait for Dakota Kai's main roster call up with her new name Aileen Wuornos :fu:

*** addendum: adding this to my previous post. I wasn't here yet. Catching up homework from my snow days absences.




I have had mixed feelings about it. It is a name that both fails AND passes "the name test".

In print with no context, it looks kinda stupid.

It actually sounds even worse Americanized.

But when properly pronounced, along with giving it the inflection and gravitas akin to Heyman saying BROCK LESNAR, there is nothing wrong with WALTER. And the more it was used, the more it caught on.

Back in the Monday Night War era, a friend of mine initially said he found it hard to take Bill Goldberg seriously. Mainly, because he associated the name with some kid who went to his high school, who was apparently the polar opposite build of a former Atlanta Falcon with a tribal tatoo on his shoulder. But the more "Goldberg" got associated with the winstreaked spear machine, that original association faded away, and now most people wouldn't think of a Jewish kid they may know, or even some network sitcom. They'll either think of DA MAN as a wrestler or as a host of some muscle car show, or both.

WALTER has built that kind of association with himself for a number of years.. Heck, he could have made a gimmick out of having WWE announcers pronounce his name right through intimidation in a move similar to Ken Kennedy's "feud" with Tony Chimmel about his "lackluster" ring introductions. Instead, looks like WWE will just throw all that shit away just to own a fucking trademark.

At least they pushed Rex Steiner into the name generator before he showed up in the fantasy land where they like to pretend that fans simultaneously don't know who the Steiner Brothers are and that he is their kin, and still give vocally acknoledged homages to both of them in his entrance music, moveset, and ring gear. For WALTER, the company just changed him midstream for zero reason.

[fundiddle]

i used to love saying VALLTAR but now i guess i can get into GOONTAR

[XL]

HOWARD.

[Tom Guycott]

i used to love saying VALLTAR but now i guess i can get into GOONTAR

But they're starting from zero, and you know everyone except WALTER will pronounce it "Gun-THur". Also, for some reason, it sounds like it should be the name of a foreign male model gimmick. Wait...


oh, god. No...

... they wouldn't...


... would they?

[Blonde Moment]

But they're starting from zero, and you know everyone except WALTER will pronounce it "Gun-THur". Also, for some reason, it sounds like it should be the name of a foreign male model gimmick. Wait...


oh, god. No...

... they wouldn't...


... would they?

If a lacky comes out with him carrying a mirror .....

[screech]

LOL Scotty 2 Hotty claims in an interview that Vince wanted the Performance Center coachers to cut their hair and dye their beards to look younger.

I 100p believe this

[drave]

Didn't he make Nash do that too?

[Fignuts]

No, Nash did it for The Punisher.

[drave]

What? He was blonde in Punisher.....


This was around 2016 or so.

[Bad News Gertner]

Lmao

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[Fignuts]

What? He was blonde in Punisher.....


This was around 2016 or so.

Oh didn't he come back as diesel though? I could see Vince asking him to dye it just for the nostalgia factor to hit harder when he came out.

[screech]

I remember Nash saying in an interview that his wife didn't want him to go back to WWE because they wanted him to dye his hair.

[screech]

I don't think it was that one where he's eating ravioli, though

[Splaya]

Freddie Prinze Jr's new wrestling podcast is fascinating

It's called Wrestling with Freddie.

I have added this to my list of like 322 podcasts but will put it ahead of everything and give it a listen tonight. Thanks for the suggestion.

[#1-norm-fan]

I don't think it was that one where he's eating ravioli, though

Was he drinking red wine? That would narrow it down to about 27 others.

[Bad News Gertner]

I have added this to my list of like 322 podcasts but will put it ahead of everything and give it a listen tonight. Thanks for the suggestion.

The shows are between 35-50 minutes long so it's not a marathon listen

[Fignuts]

Sometimes I have to skip cornettes podcast cause it's so long and I don't have time to listen to both shows and other podcasts.

[Bad News Gertner]

Between the Sheets is between 4.5 to 7 hours and I never miss it (I skip the Lucha and Japan stuff mostly so it's not THAT long). Stopped listening to Cornette's shows a while ago. Too much stuff that I don't care about.

My current line up:

MC True Long Island Story
Between the Sheets
Grillin with JR (except when it's a watchalong or if Paul Bromwell is co hosting instead of Conrad)
Jeff Jarrett's podcast
Magnificent Muraco's podcast
Stories with Brisco and Bradshaw
Wrestling with Freddie
Stick to Wrestling with John McAdam sometimes if I like the topic. Same with Tommy Dreamer's.

and a couple Trance Podcasts (A State of Trance and Find your Harmony)

[Fignuts]

Cornettes was better when the shows were separated between reviewing modern wrestling and answering questions about his time in the business. Now they review modern wrestling on both shows so there's no one spot to get that great old school cornette story telling.

You might want to check out recent episodes though. They released a two part omnibus of all the Vince McMahon stories on the show and its a really fun listen.

[Bad News Gertner]

I did listen to the Vince and wrestler deaths omnibus. Those were really good.

[#1-norm-fan]

The story about Vince tipping the cable guy $100 for showing him how to unmute the TV is a gem.

[weather vane]

Muraco has a podcast?

Anything that is MUST LISTEN from your list BNG? Specific episodes? I have heard mostly all of Conrad’s podcasts.

[Bad News Gertner]

Yeah it's pretty good. He tells some funny stories without crapping on fellow wrestlers.

I'm really enjoying Freddie's podcast because it comes from a different perspective. Listened to the first 3 episodes.

Between the Sheets is super wrestling nerdy but very interesting. They time stamp their shows so you can skip the boring shit. The 1999/2000 episodes are funny just for the Russo WCW era stuff

and I HIGHLY recommend stories with Brisco and Bradshaw. What a fun listen.

[Bad News Gertner]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/bxSjWC2scn">pic.twitter.com/bxSjWC2scn</a></p>&mdash; Rob Naylor (@NINaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/NINaylor/status/1484204819917193216?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 20, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Jordan]

So fucking good.

[Vastardikai]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/bxSjWC2scn">pic.twitter.com/bxSjWC2scn</a></p>&mdash; Rob Naylor (@NINaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/NINaylor/status/1484204819917193216?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 20, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

You can keep your stiff forearms, I'd rather see a Lawler punch.

[Sepholio]

WWE has abandoned the "Gunther Stark" trademark.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

You can keep your stiff forearms, I'd rather see a Lawler punch.

That crowd was rabid when Lawler started to lay in those rights. Need to go back and watch more of babyface King.

[Sepholio]

Apparently WWE has refused to grand Ali his release.

Probably should have waited until they released him before he hit social media.

OR IT COULD BE A WORK YOU GUYS

[drave]

He can just be EC3 and not give a shit until it runs out.

[Sepholio]

lol Matt Hardy said taking the stink face from Rikishi was "delightful". I'm not giving any other context on this one.

[Bad News Gertner]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Alexa: show me the greatest dancer in the world. <a href="https://t.co/LEUzjKY5Y9">pic.twitter.com/LEUzjKY5Y9</a></p>&mdash; Allan (@allan_cheapshot) <a href="https://twitter.com/allan_cheapshot/status/1484603368526041092?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 21, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Bad News Gertner]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Weekend vibes. <a href="https://t.co/3rgXG9iYLE">pic.twitter.com/3rgXG9iYLE</a></p>&mdash; WCW Deep Cuts (@DeepCutsWCW) <a href="https://twitter.com/DeepCutsWCW/status/1484682625499471875?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 22, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[xrodmuc316]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Alexa: show me the greatest dancer in the world. <a href="https://t.co/LEUzjKY5Y9">pic.twitter.com/LEUzjKY5Y9</a></p>&mdash; Allan (@allan_cheapshot) <a href="https://twitter.com/allan_cheapshot/status/1484603368526041092?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 21, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The Greatest match in Sunday Night Heat history...

wSarumsUqWk

[Sepholio]

I bet there are people on this board with the same name as a Nazi rn.

While not a poster on the board, guess who ironically happens to share a name with a Nazi solider? Walter Hahn.

[Sepholio]

Double J on SD. Has a match with Effy at GCW this weekend. Effy in RR confirmed!!!

[Sepholio]

JBL wants to manage Dom Mysterio against Rey in their inevitable feud.

I am so down for that.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jerry &amp; I were known for our series of singles matches, but we also made a pretty good tag team. <a href="https://t.co/4gOA3rFIdG">https://t.co/4gOA3rFIdG</a></p>&mdash; Sean Waltman (@TheRealXPac) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheRealXPac/status/1484803050418155522?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 22, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Xpac has been sharing old clips of him and Jerry Lynn from the early 90s and it looks really cool.

[Supreme Olajuwon]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The only speech I'll ever look forward to giving is this Saturday, when I have the honor of inducting <a href="https://twitter.com/itsjerrylynn?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@itsjerrylynn</a> into the Indie Wrestling Hall of Fame this Saturday. Sharing this video again to remind everyone how great he already was 31 years ago. �� <a href="https://t.co/F56zgMOGlz">https://t.co/F56zgMOGlz</a></p>&mdash; Sean Waltman (@TheRealXPac) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheRealXPac/status/1484070789066346496?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 20, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Bad News Gertner]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Never forget that Meatloaf was inexplicably the drummer on The Wrestling Album. <a href="https://t.co/7G9r6XL6X6">pic.twitter.com/7G9r6XL6X6</a></p>&mdash; RJ City (@RJCity1) <a href="https://twitter.com/RJCity1/status/1484506140239179784?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 21, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Sepholio]

lol wtf

[XL]

More details have emerged regarding Ali’s request for a release, specifically around the creative pitch that lead to an alleged “heated disagreement” between Ali and Vince McMahon himself.

It’s said that Vince had a detailed plan that would have seen Ali completely repackaged and would have incorporated a number of other talents on the roster. The idea would have seen Ali receive another name change. There was also creative to involve Aliyah - hence her TV presence and win over Natalya in recent weeks.

There were a number of points of contention between the parties over the creative direction of the pitch. There was said to be an eleborate set piece that would see Ali rescuing Aliyah from a “difficult situation” leading to a chase through the backstage area escaping via what was described as parkour-like manoeuvres. This was the first issue as this is very close to what Reggie has been doing over on the Raw brand. Ali is not trained in parkour and feared he’d come off as “second rate” in comparison to Reggie.

Further plans called for Ali to gain a sidekick character who was described as “charismatic”, “wise-cracking” and “fast-talking”. There were a number of talents touted in this role including Montez Ford, Titus O’Neil, NXT 2.0’s Trick Williams, and Cesaro. Again Ali was said to be “underwhelmed” having recently teamed with Mansoor, and following the stable with Retribution as he wants to work on his singles career for now.

There were concerns over the romance angle between Ali and Aliyah. Ali has been married since 2011 and has 3 children and was not taken with the idea of an onscreen romance. This however was the idea that “Ali would never have done”.

It’s said that this part of the pitch was direct from Bruce Pritchard who was said to have been “reaching into the past” and pitched for Ali to have an animal companion in the vein of Jake Roberts and Damian, Koko B. Ware and Frankie, and Davey Boy Smith and Matilda (the bulldog). This was the idea that “Ali would never have done” as the pitch called for the companion to be a monkey. Ali has Pithecophobia - an irrational fear of monkeys. As far as Bruce - and therefore Vince - was concerned, this was “make or break” for the gimmick. Many backstage have viewed this as a rib on Ali from Vince directly as he apparently knew of the phobia.

Further ideas would have seen Jinder Mahal cast in a villainous role opposite Ali (complete with a parrot to oppose Ali’s monkey) and a huge “top level talent style entrance” at this year’s WrestleMania where Ali, Aliyah, the sidekick (and the monkey) would have entered on a huge flying carpet.

The source is quoted as saying “Vince’s grandkids were watching the live action remake of Aladdin a couple of weekends ago”.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

A flying fucking carpet wow Lmaoooo

[Sepholio]

There is no way that's real. I believe like 98% of these stories about the bullshit ideas they have from time to time. But nope. That right there ain't it. That's a joke referencing that time Ali wanted to play Aladdin in the live action remake. Come on, he's Aladdin, she's Jasmine, the monkey is Apu and they ride a carpet? lololol

https://www.wwe.com/article/mustafa-ali-disney-aladdin?sf97392890=1

[Sepholio]

Weird that he wanted to play Aladdin considering his fear on monkeys. Wonder how he thought that was gonna work out?

[Sepholio]

Almost forgot why I came here. Lio Rush is done with AEW. Letting his contract expire in a couple weeks. He's already taking bookings.

[Vastardikai]

Almost forgot why I came here. Lio Rush is done with AEW. Letting his contract expire in a couple weeks. He's already taking bookings.

"letting his contract expire." Sure. :shifty:

[Fignuts]

I hope to God that Ali thing is true.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

"letting his contract expire." Sure. :shifty:

ARE YOU CALLING LIO A LIAR (because I don’t think you’re wrong)

[Bad News Gertner]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pro wrestling is a grown man begging another grown man not to break his golf club. <a href="https://t.co/1IzaAyrB9K">pic.twitter.com/1IzaAyrB9K</a></p>&mdash; WCW Deep Cuts (@DeepCutsWCW) <a href="https://twitter.com/DeepCutsWCW/status/1484935478373752833?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 22, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[XL]

There is no way that's real. I believe like 98% of these stories about the bullshit ideas they have from time to time. But nope. That right there ain't it. That's a joke referencing that time Ali wanted to play Aladdin in the live action remake. Come on, he's Aladdin, she's Jasmine, the monkey is Apu and they ride a carpet? lololol

https://www.wwe.com/article/mustafa-ali-disney-aladdin?sf97392890=1

I mean I literally wrote it while watching the live action remake earlier with my 3 year old.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Ali is a fucking idiot. Why would you go public letting everyone know you have requested your release until it is granted?

[Bad News Gertner]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This looks like so much fun right up until Devon Storm falls on his head. Still incredible to see it on 1996 WCW TV. <a href="https://t.co/zIXWwR7bW8">pic.twitter.com/zIXWwR7bW8</a></p>&mdash; WCW Deep Cuts (@DeepCutsWCW) <a href="https://twitter.com/DeepCutsWCW/status/1485085899314671620?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 23, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Blonde Moment]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

Ali is a fucking idiot. Why would you go public letting everyone know you have requested your release until it is granted?

I’ve now reversed my stance on this. Ali might just be a genius.

[Bad News Gertner]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Bless Evan Karagias’ heart, but he would try stuff above his pay grade way too often. <a href="https://t.co/u4zx6fhij4">pic.twitter.com/u4zx6fhij4</a></p>&mdash; WCW Deep Cuts (@DeepCutsWCW) <a href="https://twitter.com/DeepCutsWCW/status/1485289293660708867?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 23, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Bad News Gertner]

This got brought up on Grillin JR and I had no idea this existed. It's Earthquake in a Smackdown Dark Match in 2002. Earthquake is only 38 here!

LZhBydjoVBw

[Tom Guycott]

There were concerns over the romance angle between Ali and Aliyah. Ali has been married since 2011 and has 3 children and was not taken with the idea of an onscreen romance. This however was the idea that “Ali would never have done”.



I'm going to ride past the Aladdin shit, and focus on this. I need to word what I say carefully for the comparison I'm about to make*, but this is very akin to the Owen Hart thing, and good on Ali for standing his ground on that, even to Vince.

Keeping him under contract is pretty petty, though. Especially when the place just got done firing a bunch of people who expected to have a job. And to the comment of "it could be a work", remember, this is the same company who did an angle about firing people AND REALLY RELEASED THEM!



*I almost said "hill to die on" without even thinking about mentioning Owen. I thought better when actually seeing it written out.

[Tom Guycott]

JBL wants to manage Dom Mysterio against Rey in their inevitable feud.

I am so down for that.

As silly as it sounds, I want them to acknowledge Dominick as a title in and of himself, and use that internet "belt" history of his custody. WWE has done worse.

[Jordan]

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Nash doing some coaching, pretty cool, short watch.

[Jordan]

This got brought up on Grillin JR and I had no idea this existed. It's Earthquake in a Smackdown Dark Match in 2002. Earthquake is only 38 here!

LZhBydjoVBw

I actually remember this from when it happened. Tenta had a tryout match, maybe a quick run on WWE c show's like Velocity I think. So weird because it feels like Tenta should be really old here but obviously he's not. He probably would have been pretty good for Japan at this time, if he wasn't working there already. Japan had a lot of promotions in the early 2000's.

[Bad News Gertner]

Watched the 2010 Rumble last night. It's hilarious listening to Cole and Lawler get more and more frustrated with Matt Striker lol

[Jordan]

He said some really stupid shit around that time. His obsession with alliteration is the worst.

[drave]

Do you prefer assonance over alliteration?

[Bad News Gertner]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Bobby Heenan took it upon himself to do a special report on WCW Worldwide about the Power Plant training center. <br><br>One problem - he couldn’t actually find the Power Plant. <a href="https://t.co/3LNWXcX69G">pic.twitter.com/3LNWXcX69G</a></p>&mdash; WCW Deep Cuts (@DeepCutsWCW) <a href="https://twitter.com/DeepCutsWCW/status/1485607574019923976?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 24, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Bad News Gertner]

He said some really stupid shit around that time. His obsession with alliteration is the worst.

It got down to the final 4: HBK, Edge, Batista and Cena. All four are laying in the ring. Edge had just returned from injury. Striker makes a comment that Edge looks rusty or something like that. Lawler laughs and says "what are you talking about". Striker goes silent lol.

[Evil Vito]

I feel like at the time, most people here dug Striker because he was "one of us". But with the passage of time we realized how insufferable the IWC can be at times and so his commentary really aged like milk.

[Jordan]

"I know Kevin Nash" - Bobby Heenan lmao

[Jordan]

Do you prefer assonance over alliteration?

I think it would be a stronger choice.

[drave]

Bobby Heenan took it upon himself to do a special report on WCW Worldwide about the Power Plant training center.

One problem - he couldn’t actually find the Power Plant. pic.twitter.com/3LNWXcX69G (https://t.co/3LNWXcX69G)
— WCW Deep Cuts (@DeepCutsWCW) January 24, 2022 (https://twitter.com/DeepCutsWCW/status/1485607574019923976?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) <script async="" src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>




Haha! I fucking remember watching this. Heenan was the best. Think I went to a house show where he ended up in a match with Bossman after talking about his momma or something? Heenan wasn't a full time wrestler, and I wanna say I recall Bossman bringing down some MASSIVE chain.


I remember it being a thing where Bossman teased the beatdown, but I can't remember if it actually happened. Heenan was doing the chicken shit heel role perfectly, begging in the corner, running, etc.


Ahhhhh, fun times.

[Lock Jaw]

Weird at directly acknowledging the cameras and camera crew, even showing them.... but then ignoring the camera right in front of him at the end. Funny stuff though.... Heenan the man

[XL]

I feel like at the time, most people here dug Striker because he was "one of us". But with the passage of time we realized how insufferable the IWC can be at times and so his commentary really aged like milk.

I think using the “insider terms” (“I’M MARKING OUT, BRO!”) was the proverbial straw. It still takes me out of the work now, really disliked Cody explicitly stating that he’s not turning/going heel. I know kayfabe is dead and all, but it’s just something I’m not keen on.

[Lock Jaw]

My fav Striker moment is always that one time Cena had to join Nexus and had to do something or get fired, but if he did it he would be free... then the match ended with the stip of Cena getting fired and Striker just yells at the top of his lungs:

Striker: CENA'S FREE!!!!!!!!!!
Cole: ........ Cena's fired
Striker: ...... you're right. I'm sorry.

[Bad News Gertner]

I feel like at the time, most people here dug Striker because he was "one of us". But with the passage of time we realized how insufferable the IWC can be at times and so his commentary really aged like milk.

Remember the episode of Seinfeld where Jerry meets the woman of his dreams (played by Janeane Garofalo) because she's the female Jerry, gets engaged but breaks up with her because "I can't date someone like me. I hate myself"

That's the Matt Striker on commentary story.

[Gerard]

I actually remember this from when it happened. Tenta had a tryout match, maybe a quick run on WWE c show's like Velocity I think. So weird because it feels like Tenta should be really old here but obviously he's not. He probably would have been pretty good for Japan at this time, if he wasn't working there already. Japan had a lot of promotions in the early 2000's.

He was only about 38 there, died at 42 4 years later.:(

[weather vane]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pro wrestling is a grown man begging another grown man not to break his golf club. <a href="https://t.co/1IzaAyrB9K">pic.twitter.com/1IzaAyrB9K</a></p>&mdash; WCW Deep Cuts (@DeepCutsWCW) <a href="https://twitter.com/DeepCutsWCW/status/1484935478373752833?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 22, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Barry Darsow is underrated.

[Bad News Gertner]

I LOVED Darsow here.

Sidebar: I had no idea Darsow was Smash from Demolition until probably 2003 ish when I started going to wrestling websites

[Mr. Nerfect]

I feel like at the time, most people here dug Striker because he was "one of us". But with the passage of time we realized how insufferable the IWC can be at times and so his commentary really aged like milk.

This is the AEW story. Good intentions gets you a free pass for bad execution, then eventually that goodwill erodes and people start looking back more objectively.

[Bad News Gertner]

If Elix Skipper were to come along 15 years later....

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This headlock escape into the armbar from Elix Skipper is unreal. <a href="https://t.co/ys93lqoVBR">pic.twitter.com/ys93lqoVBR</a></p>&mdash; WCW Deep Cuts (@DeepCutsWCW) <a href="https://twitter.com/DeepCutsWCW/status/1485702967332421636?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 24, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Lock Jaw]

Primetime

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jim Johnston really outdid himself with the entrance theme for Bertha Faye <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWE?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWE</a> <a href="https://t.co/EcomasUUvx">pic.twitter.com/EcomasUUvx</a></p>&mdash; Kenton (@Kenton_la) <a href="https://twitter.com/Kenton_la/status/1485852482689458177?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 25, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Sepholio]

If Elix Skipper were to come along 15 years later....

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This headlock escape into the armbar from Elix Skipper is unreal. <a href="https://t.co/ys93lqoVBR">pic.twitter.com/ys93lqoVBR</a></p>&mdash; WCW Deep Cuts (@DeepCutsWCW) <a href="https://twitter.com/DeepCutsWCW/status/1485702967332421636?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 24, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Woulda been pretty sweet if he woulda went ahead and thrown that punch in the middle too.

[Mr. Nerfect]

You know who was fucking awesome? Tyson Kidd. He did this submission a couple of times on NXT called “The Dungeon Lock.” He sets it up like a Sharpshooter, but he falls back and captures their arm and wraps his legs around their neck like a triangle. His other leg is free to kick the motherfucker in the head if he wants to.

I remember when CM Punk was calling Superstars and he called Kidd “The Best in the World” during his match before he had hijacked that from Danielson and made it his thing.

[Lock Jaw]

That Bertha Faye song would be just like a 20 second loop if made today

[Bad News Gertner]

You know who was fucking awesome? Tyson Kidd. He did this submission a couple of times on NXT called “The Dungeon Lock.” He sets it up like a Sharpshooter, but he falls back and captures their arm and wraps his legs around their neck like a triangle. His other leg is free to kick the motherfucker in the head if he wants to.

I remember when CM Punk was calling Superstars and he called Kidd “The Best in the World” during his match before he had hijacked that from Danielson and made it his thing.

Oh shit I remember that move. Loved Tyson Kidd. His team with Cesaro was awesome. So was his team with Justin Gabriel.

[Lock Jaw]

So was his feud with Yoshi Tatsu, culminating in a "Yoshi Tatsu's Action Figure's Leg on a Pole Match"

[Mr. Nerfect]

All great shouts. I loved it when he challenged for the NXT Title and lost. I think it may have been the first Takeover after Arrival (just called Takeover). They did a post-match interview with him and Heyman where Kidd was trying to act like it’s cool he lost and Heyman drilled in that wins and losses matter and now it’s back to the drawing board for him. Kidd stormed off. It’s hard to explain, but it was really good, subtle drama.

[drave]

I will miss Heyman's on screen character when he's gone :(

[Evil Vito]

Heyman really is a wonderful on-screen performer.

[Bad News Gertner]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Bobby Heenan took it upon himself to do a special report on WCW Worldwide about the Power Plant training center. <br><br>One problem - he couldn’t actually find the Power Plant. <a href="https://t.co/3LNWXcX69G">pic.twitter.com/3LNWXcX69G</a></p>&mdash; WCW Deep Cuts (@DeepCutsWCW) <a href="https://twitter.com/DeepCutsWCW/status/1485607574019923976?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 24, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>




The follow up lol

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">One week later, Bobby Heenan finally found the Power Plant with his trusted map.<br><br>Here are highlights from Bobby’s trip to the training center, including a demonstration on how you should be lifting weights. <a href="https://t.co/5n2CbLdBtI">https://t.co/5n2CbLdBtI</a> <a href="https://t.co/5y1bOkfY09">pic.twitter.com/5y1bOkfY09</a></p>&mdash; WCW Deep Cuts (@DeepCutsWCW) <a href="https://twitter.com/DeepCutsWCW/status/1485966396441964553?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 25, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Tom Guycott]

This got brought up on Grillin JR and I had no idea this existed. It's Earthquake in a Smackdown Dark Match in 2002. Earthquake is only 38 here!

LZhBydjoVBw

I actually remember this from when it happened. Tenta had a tryout match, maybe a quick run on WWE c show's like Velocity I think. So weird because it feels like Tenta should be really old here but obviously he's not. He probably would have been pretty good for Japan at this time, if he wasn't working there already. Japan had a lot of promotions in the early 2000's.

He might not have been geriatric, but something seems... wrong about that age. And what I mean is, if he's 38 in 2002, that means when Dino Bravo did the pushup challenge, it would have made Tenta about 16 - 17 with a full mountain man beard and already rocking heavy male pattern baldness.*




*Edit: bad math on my part. I don't know why I was thinking 2012 when I did that, even though I even wrote the correct year. My apologies.

[Tom Guycott]

So was his feud with Yoshi Tatsu, culminating in a "Yoshi Tatsu's Action Figure's Leg on a Pole Match"

Oh crap... I forgot about Yoshi Tatsu's Action Figure!

Sad that the match between it and Cody Rhodes' mustache went the way of Shamrock/Severn III and never happened.

[Sepholio]

I'd just like to remind everyone that the best wrestler in the world, Santana Jackson, remains unsigned with any major promotion and that should be a freaking felony.

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[weather vane]

I would LOVE to watch that in person drinking with my buddies. Awesome haha.

Also goes to show how fucking insane MJ was. Just a bananas talent. All time.