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[Emperor Smeat]

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[GD]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Shane McMahon was asked about Vince wanting him to do an incest angle with his sister Stephanie. <br><br>Shane replied, “Well, my sister is hot. I don’t know if I would have really minded that.” <br><br>Um, wuttt? <a href="https://t.co/ktw0ooORVH">pic.twitter.com/ktw0ooORVH</a></p>&mdash; Ryan Satin (@ryansatin) <a href="https://twitter.com/ryansatin/status/1052208209874714625?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 16, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Comments not going as they hoped...

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Comments says more about trash fans. WWE trying to do good for victims of hurricanes.

[Tom Guycott]

I think the people who actually go are gonna enjoy it and be into it

Nah, it's going to a botch-a-thon and it's all building to Nikki Bella in a main event. Some stuff has the potential to be good, but the stuff that isn't is going to wear patience thin, and if the crowd lose it, the girls are going to lose focus.

The bigger problem being, they have had the time and the talent to build a better show, but they squander the girls who can wrestle in favor of what they consider the most masturbatory material you can see online at another time. And the people who are going to watch a wrestling show are getting a sub-par wrestling show compared to the show they could have had with the litany of talent available to them.

It would be like if the NFL decided which players make the playoff roster not by being good at their respective positions for the regular season and getting their team wins, but how cute they are! That ugly-ass running back who got all the yardage all season will be benched in that playoff run... then when fans complain, the NFL says "well, see nobody wanted that team to succeed anyhow".

If the PPV was building to something like Asuka vs Ember Moon (before they killed Asuka and banished Athena to the depths of whogivesafuck - you know; keeping their NXT pushes intact), there would be the air of "YO, YOU GOTTA SEE THIS!!!"

[Tom Guycott]

Comments not going as they hoped...

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This had me at "human rights 'high horse'"

[Tom Guycott]

Comments says more about trash fans. WWE trying to do good for victims of hurricanes.

Doing something good in one place doesn't cancel out doing something shitty elsewhere, "trash fans" or not.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

No, but the American/World economy would take a big hit if everybody stopped doing business with Saudi Arabia. So, it's not really a shitty thing. The USA isn't getting out of the oil business. Nobody of any real note is really taking any money out of Saudi Arabia.

[Savio]

Outrage Culture

[Innovator]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Shane McMahon was asked about Vince wanting him to do an incest angle with his sister Stephanie. <br><br>Shane replied, “Well, my sister is hot. I don’t know if I would have really minded that.” <br><br>Um, wuttt? <a href="https://t.co/ktw0ooORVH">pic.twitter.com/ktw0ooORVH</a></p>&mdash; Ryan Satin (@ryansatin) <a href="https://twitter.com/ryansatin/status/1052208209874714625?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 16, 2018</a></blockquote>
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How is sarcasm lost on everyone now?

[#1-norm-fan]

Shane seems like the only one in that family with a good sense of humor.

[slik]

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[Gerard]

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[Emperor Smeat]

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[Cool King]

Was his aim to look like Agent 47?

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Yes. It's a hitman gimmick.

[Mr. Nerfect]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Shane McMahon was asked about Vince wanting him to do an incest angle with his sister Stephanie. <br><br>Shane replied, “Well, my sister is hot. I don’t know if I would have really minded that.” <br><br>Um, wuttt? <a href="https://t.co/ktw0ooORVH">pic.twitter.com/ktw0ooORVH</a></p>&mdash; Ryan Satin (@ryansatin) <a href="https://twitter.com/ryansatin/status/1052208209874714625?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 16, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Oh sweet Jesus. Opie and Anthony are shock jocks, basically, so I get that Shane was going for an awkward laugh kind of thing, but god damn if that isn't just classic WtfMcMahon.

I hope this gets play time during the whole to-do about Saudi Arabia and that it continues to remind sponsors and television networks that they are trash.

[Emperor Smeat]

Was his aim to look like Agent 47?

Yes and also why he got in trouble in Japan for using it after Square Enix and/or IO Interactive threatened to sue NJPW if he kept wearing it there.

In classic Low Ki fashion, he pretty much ignored the lawsuit threat and got kicked out of NJPW as a result.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yes and also why he got in trouble in Japan for using it after Square Enix and/or IO Interactive threatened to sue NJPW if he kept wearing it there.

In classic Low Ki fashion, he pretty much ignored the lawsuit threat and got kicked out of NJPW as a result.

I thought there was also a Yakuza kind of thing they didn't want to draw connotations to? But maybe I am conflating things?

[Emperor Smeat]

Probably as well but the main dispute involved trademark stuff.

They were going to sue NJPW for a lump sum and then hit them with additional amounts every time Low Ki wore the gear to events.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I like Low Ki as a talent, but that seems like a really dumb way to lose yourself a job. I mean, wrestling in a suit isn't even that cool. But he's his own man, I guess. He made a choice and I'm sure he's fine with it.

[Fignuts]

Yeah, he's made a lot of choices that make him look like a prick.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Getting Dolph hurt derailed him in WWE.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think he was made to look foolish before that. He used his title shot to go after the IC Title like a chump. I think the pairing with LayCool was supposed to handicap him; not get him over.

[Big Vic]

I believe Chavo is the only WWECW champion to never with another world title.

[Big Vic]

Oh wait 'Big Zeke'

[Gerard]

https://i.imgur.com/Bn4LPhT.gif

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Evil Vito]

I believe Chavo is the only WWECW champion to never with another world title.

John Morrison

[Innovator]

New Performance Center Class:

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[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Too many to point at Triple H. Not hard to pick one to point at though, bro.

How did TNA let the Hot Mess Express go lol

[Innovator]

That dude is 7'3

[Evil Vito]

Good for Punishment Martinez

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

RIP to Dirty Dick Slater

[Big Vic]

John Morrison

He's TNA champ now.

[Simple Fan]

That dude is 7'3

Wasn't sure if he was standing on smething or not but damn he makes Punishment look tiny.

[Evil Vito]

He's TNA champ now.

Oh. Thought you were only talking WWE.

In the era of two world titles Morrison felt like someone who definitely was gonna win one eventually.

[Gerard]

That dude is 7'3

So when, or IF he debuts for the main roster he'll be 7'7. :wtf:

Seems to be quite a difference comparing him and triple h to triple h and big show, only supposedly 3 inches but show has lost some height over the years, be lucky if he's 6'10 these days.

https://i.imgur.com/JCwv2F4.jpg

Though after looking at this pic i'd question wether show was ever 7 feet.

[Big Vic]

Oh. Thought you were only talking WWE.

In the era of two world titles Morrison felt like someone who definitely was gonna win one eventually.

I think his Melina situation hindered him somehow.

[Cool King]

I have an instant dislike to the guy in the hat.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

I have an instant dislike to the guy in the hat.

That's Matt Riddle, bro. He's gonna be the next big thing.

[Innovator]

I have an instant dislike to the guy in the hat.

That's like, your opinion, man

[Cool King]

That's Matt Riddle, bro. He's gonna be the next big thing.

I can only hope that he looks less like a twonk when outside the ring then when he does become the big thing.

[Cool King]

He should have gotten himself a bangin' bow tie like that other guy.

[Cool King]

But really, he just looks a bit silly with what he's wearing.

That's all I was getting at.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

It's his gimmick. He's a Bro guy.

[Emperor Smeat]

Going to assume Riddle is wearing flip flops or sandals considering he did the same for his crowd reveal at Takeover: Brooklyn IV.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

New Performance Center Class:

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Who the fuck is that monster in the back?

[Simple Fan]

Jordan Omogbehin, played basketball at South Florida.

Here's a summary of them all.

A former UFC fighter and EVOLVE Wrestling champion, Riddle’s name stands out as the biggest addition. Yim is a familiar face, competing in the 2017 and 2018 editions of the Mae Yong Classic, and the WWE made her signing official in a video with Triple H released last night.

Green was a contestant on the 2015 version of WWE’s Tough Enough and then honed her craft with Impact Wrestling from 2016-2018. A three year veteran of Ring Honor, Martinez captured the promotion’s TV title earlier in 2018 and held the belt for over 100 days.

Already a ten year pro at 26-years-old, Carrillo is a luchador and comes from the famed Garza family of Mexican wrestling. Both Vidot and Omogbehin come from sports backgrounds. The six-foot-two, 230-pound Vidot is an Australian rugby player while seven-foot-three, 370-pound Omogbehin played college basketball for the University of South Florida and Morgan State University.

[Emperor Smeat]

Seems FOX is not a fan of Vince's style of comedy for wrestling and want Smackdown to be a lot more sports/wrestling focused when they get the show late next year.

Makes sense since FOX will have to rely a lot more now than before on their sports fans to get the numbers needed to improve in cable rankings. Especially during football season and sports playoffs.

Regarding FOX, because wrestling is being positioned as part of the sports block, a Thursday through Sunday thing FOX is looking at starting in 2019, especially during football season, FOX wants the Smackdown show to be less comedy and more in a sports direction. Vince is more into the comedy presentation with wrestling but they are looking at having their sports people on the different shows heavily promote it and they want to give them something athletically-oriented to promote

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Seems FOX is not a fan of Vince's style of comedy for wrestling

So Fox is like everybody else other than Vince.

[Fignuts]

Would be a cool throwback to the original brand split. Back when they first did it, smackdown was much more wrestling focused than raw's entertainment based product.

[ClockShot]

1 year, Vince.

You got 1 year to make Smackdown a better show than Raw.

[Savio]

It already is.

[erickman]

Seems FOX is not a fan of Vince's style of comedy for wrestling and want Smackdown to be a lot more sports/wrestling focused when they get the show late next year.

Makes sense since FOX will have to rely a lot more now than before on their sports fans to get the numbers needed to improve in cable rankings. Especially during football season and sports playoffs.

guess r truth is going back to raw. make it all wrestling no talking and no pancakes.

[Fignuts]

It already is.

Seriously. Being a 2 hour show helps a lot. Feels like a tighter, more effectively produced program.

[Simple Fan]

Sounds like Fox wants NXT. Smackdown has the talent to be more sport oriented though.

[Emperor Smeat]

Looks like writing a book about their lives is about to bite Ric and Charlotte Flair back really badly. Well mostly just Charlotte based on documents from their defamation lawsuit by Charlotte's ex-husband.

Supposedly there is police reports and video evidence of Charlotte saying racist stuff against black people.

https://www.scribd.com/document/391132744/Riki-Paul-Johnson-vs-Ashley-Fliehr-Charlotte-Flair-Richard-Fliehr-Ric-Flair-Brian-Shields-WWE

[GD]

This is ridiculously adorable.

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[Mr. Nerfect]

Daniel Vidot has been on WWE's radar for quite a while.

I don't know why FOX would buy a Vince McMahon product if they did not want a Vince McMahon product.

[GD]

Ugh! There was so much potential in Bayley to become the female version of what John Cena represented.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It's a complicated issue. Yeah, there was more potential there than they got out of her on the main roster, but she is neither the ring worker or promo that Cena is.

[GD]

It's a complicated issue. Yeah, there was more potential there than they got out of her on the main roster, but she is neither the ring worker or promo that Cena is.

Cena wasn't a ring general during his initial reigns as WWE Champion. He was thrusted into the main event picture and he learned to thrive. While Bayley cannot be directly compared to him, she has a ton of potential. She had some of the best (WWE) matches of 2015 (along with Banks).

[Mr. Nerfect]

She did, but they were produced so heavily and had the safety net of being a pet project. They could have done a similar thing on the main roster, but to some extent, you have to put the blame at the foot of the talent too. She didn't really get herself into position to get the same courtesies Cena did.

[GD]

She did, but they were produced so heavily and had the safety net of being a pet project. They could have done a similar thing on the main roster, but to some extent, you have to put the blame at the foot of the talent too. She didn't really get herself into position to get the same courtesies Cena did.

That's not a convincing argument, Noid. Even if her matches were "heavily produced", it requires a certain amount of talent to pull them off. The focus has always been on either Charlotte, Alexa Bliss, or (now) Ronda Rousey. You can't put the blame on her and defend lazy storytelling. I am sure you've been following her program with Sasha Banks which never got a payoff.

[#1-norm-fan]

Cena wasn't a ring general during his initial reigns as WWE Champion. He was thrusted into the main event picture and he learned to thrive. While Bayley cannot be directly compared to him, she has a ton of potential. She had some of the best (WWE) matches of 2015 (along with Banks).

Cena’s early work is underrated. I also don’t think he was thrust into the main event picture per se. I remember thinking quite a while before he even won his first US Title that he was the next megastar of the company. They actually took their time building him up by today’s standards. He was hot when he won the US title, it took him a year from there to win the secondary show’s world title and then another year before he “officially” cemented himself by beating Triple H at WrestleMania.

[#1-norm-fan]

Bailey definitely should have been handled better on the main roster but her mic skills also would have held her back from “female Cena” level.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Cena had a relatively slow burn. He main evented a Smackdown pov against Brock after mania, had a run against Taker, turned face prior to survivor series, etc etc. They spent over 2 years building him into winning his first top title against JBL.

[Emperor Smeat]

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[Evil Vito]

Anyone want to make waffles that look like the WWE Championship?

https://uncannybrands.com/products/wwe-waffle-maker

[Evil Vito]

There is a rumor making the rounds that Chris Jericho and Jim Ross are working on launching a new promotion, backed financially by Shad Khan, the owner of the Jacksonville Jaguars. The Young Bucks and Cody Rhodes are currently rumored to have agreed to be part of the company, and they are negotiating with AXS TV for a television deal.

Kenny Omega's status is apparently still up in the air, but I would imagine that if Cody and the Bucks are signing, the rest of their friend group will probably follow suit as they’ve pledged to stay together.

I’ll believe it when I see it, but Khan has billions and if he’s serious, this could be interesting.

[slik]

"Sobriety Shaming"

That's a new one.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/RealMikeBennett?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RealMikeBennett</a> just saying you should stop mentioning how much you've been clean and sober for...you brag about it alot, but you never see Kurt Angle, Matt Hardy or Shawn mention it. Just seems you only started talking about it when WWE took you off tv....</p>&mdash; Derek L (@DerekL89) <a href="https://twitter.com/DerekL89/status/1053072296901001217?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 18, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Simple Fan]

That's just a stupid tweet. All three have talked about it and Hardy even had a WWE special this year that was heavily about it.

[Vastardikai]

"Sobriety Shaming"

That's a new one.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/RealMikeBennett?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RealMikeBennett</a> just saying you should stop mentioning how much you've been clean and sober for...you brag about it alot, but you never see Kurt Angle, Matt Hardy or Shawn mention it. Just seems you only started talking about it when WWE took you off tv....</p>&mdash; Derek L (@DerekL89) <a href="https://twitter.com/DerekL89/status/1053072296901001217?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 18, 2018</a></blockquote>
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This is stupid. Bennett is fairly indistinguishable from most of the roster, so I can't say who he is without his wife being there, but kudos on him for cleaning up and staying clean. He has a kid to look after, and I wouldn't want him to not be there for his kid growing up.

[Danny Electric]

There is a rumor making the rounds that Chris Jericho and Jim Ross are working on launching a new promotion, backed financially by Shad Khan, the owner of the Jacksonville Jaguars. The Young Bucks and Cody Rhodes are currently rumored to have agreed to be part of the company, and they are negotiating with AXS TV for a television deal.

Kenny Omega's status is apparently still up in the air, but I would imagine that if Cody and the Bucks are signing, the rest of their friend group will probably follow suit as they’ve pledged to stay together.

I’ll believe it when I see it, but Khan has billions and if he’s serious, this could be interesting.

Khan has just pulled out of buying Wembley Stadium so is obviously itching to spend some money.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnn

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

WWE has not said Saudi Arabia when discussing Crown Jewel in weeks. hmm

[GD]

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[GD]

WWE has not said Saudi Arabia when discussing Crown Jewel in weeks. hmm

https://i.redd.it/mt5u8dvx7at11.jpg

[DAMN iNATOR]

Bailey definitely should have been handled better on the main roster but her mic skills also would have held her back from “female Cena” level.

If we're being 💯 honest, it is partially the fault of the writers, though.

[Droford]

There is a rumor making the rounds that Chris Jericho and Jim Ross are working on launching a new promotion, backed financially by Shad Khan, the owner of the Jacksonville Jaguars. The Young Bucks and Cody Rhodes are currently rumored to have agreed to be part of the company, and they are negotiating with AXS TV for a television deal.

Kenny Omega's status is apparently still up in the air, but I would imagine that if Cody and the Bucks are signing, the rest of their friend group will probably follow suit as they’ve pledged to stay together.

I’ll believe it when I see it, but Khan has billions and if he’s serious, this could be interesting.

So basically All In Wrestling

[Droford]

If I win the $1.6 billion mega millions on Tuesday I'll be a financial backer for it though. Couldn't go asbad as the last guy who won the lottery big and started a wrestling company (Wrestleliscious)

[Cool King]

WWE has not said Saudi Arabia when discussing Crown Jewel in weeks. hmm

"Welcome to WWE Crown Jewel and we are live from the largest country in The Middle East!"

[Cool King]

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[Emperor Smeat]

WWE is on a roll with the amount of bad PR decisions they have made this year so far. Newest blunder is using the Warrior brand to support GLAAD while completely forgetting how much of a homophobe Warrior was in real life.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WWE Ambassador Dana Warrior goes purple to support <a href="https://twitter.com/glaad?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@glaad</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SpiritDday?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SpiritDday</a>. Check out her blog: <a href="https://t.co/FyfaTI14l4">https://t.co/FyfaTI14l4</a> <a href="https://t.co/bZWRaZSgPq">pic.twitter.com/bZWRaZSgPq</a></p>&mdash; WWE Community (@WWECommunity) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWECommunity/status/1052967535283527680?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 18, 2018</a></blockquote>
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WWE has pretty much become the equivalent of Sideshow Bob this year with the amount of PR goofs made.

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[Cool King]

Man, I can imagine Warrior must be spinning in his grave at that.

[Cool King]

That's if he wasn't cremated.

[Helmsphere]

We all know he is with the other Warriors, climbing to the top of the temple of the Warriors, which is so high up, only the Warriors can breathe the air of that Altitude.

[Mr. Nerfect]

That's not a convincing argument, Noid. Even if her matches were "heavily produced", it requires a certain amount of talent to pull them off. The focus has always been on either Charlotte, Alexa Bliss, or (now) Ronda Rousey. You can't put the blame on her and defend lazy storytelling. I am sure you've been following her program with Sasha Banks which never got a payoff.

Fuck you're a condescending piece of shit. You start with a false assumption in that she could have been as good or effective in her role as John Cena, which is ludicrous, so of course you're not going to be convinced by reason.

It takes a certain amount of talent to pull it off. But that's not the same amount of talent as it takes to be the tippy-top worker that appeals to people at such a visceral level. Bayley got over in NXT in front of a certain type of fan because he was produced a certain way and got a great story laid out for her.

They absolutely could have and should have done a better job with Bayley. But that's not synonymous with saying that she had the skills as a worker, in and out of the ring, to cultivate the general WWE audience the same way she did in NXT. You absolutely can put part of the "blame" on her, and criticize lazy storytelling.

If we're being 💯 honest, it is partially the fault of the writers, though.

Which is pretty much what #1-wwf-fan said...

There is a rumor making the rounds that Chris Jericho and Jim Ross are working on launching a new promotion, backed financially by Shad Khan, the owner of the Jacksonville Jaguars. The Young Bucks and Cody Rhodes are currently rumored to have agreed to be part of the company, and they are negotiating with AXS TV for a television deal.

Kenny Omega's status is apparently still up in the air, but I would imagine that if Cody and the Bucks are signing, the rest of their friend group will probably follow suit as they’ve pledged to stay together.

I’ll believe it when I see it, but Khan has billions and if he’s serious, this could be interesting.

I hope this is true. If there were ever a chance for someone to start a new wrestling promotion, it is now. If it does air on AXS and it gets some attention, this could also be good for New Japan, who I hope work with them.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It would have been nice if there were serious money offers being made to a guys like Bryan Danielson and Nick Nemeth before they re-signed with WWE though. Ultimately, I don't believe it -- especially since AXS is denying it. It's such an odd rumor to just...create though. I hope there is smoke to the fire, or at the very least it gives them the idea now.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Just looking at the New Japan freelancers. If they made serious money offers to them, you'd have a core roster of:

* Beretta
* Chase Owens
* Chris Jericho
* Chuck Taylor
* Cody Rhodes
* Haku
* Hangman Page
* Kenny Omega
* Kota Ibushi
* Matt Jackson
* Minoru Suzuki
* Nick Jackson
* Sanada
* Shingo Takagi
* Tomoaki Honma
* Yoshinobu Kanemaru
* Zack Sabre, Jr.

Not bad for a starting point. Of course Brandi would go, and I'm sure Jericho would give agent spots to his friends in the business, like Don Callis and Lance Storm. I could see DDP being involved. He's probably got a lot of money he could potentially invest too. Jericho and Cornette get along, but I don't see them trying to get him to adapt to people's flavors.

The door would probably be open to guys leaving ROH and New Japan too. I can see Bully Ray and Shane Helms being given player/coach roles. You've instantly got a nice little roster going. I could see them working out something to do with Dragon Gate, bringing in PAC and emphasizing that style as its own division. If plans were in motion by January, then you could probably woo over Gallows & Anderson from WWE, for whatever that's worth.

[Mr. Nerfect]

They could probably poach from All Japan too. The current Triple Crown Champion is this dude named Zeus. He looks like a fucking beast.

[Mr. Nerfect]

They should poach Cormier from WWE and bring him in for an angle. "Cody and Cormier! Cody and Cormier!" Okay, maybe not.

[Emperor Smeat]

For those with a Netflix account in the US, you only have till November 15th to watch or rewatch the first two seasons of Lucha Underground. After that Netflix is pulling those seasons from the service due to their expiring contract with LU.

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[Vastardikai]

They could probably poach from All Japan too. The current Triple Crown Champion is this dude named Zeus. He looks like a fucking beast.

Every time I see a wrestler named "Zeus," I think of Tiny Lister.

And I can't help but think that the only reason why Zeus was the big bad instead of another character that was in the movie who was both more charismatic and a better worker, was because Vince couldn't pay Stan Hansen enough money for the post movie program for it to be worthwhile to him.

[Fignuts]

I don't recall Zeus being that good. Kind of shocked he's the triple crown champion. If you're gonna poach from AJPW, some names I would consider are Kento Miyahara, Yuji Hino, Suwama, Naoya Nomura, Yumi Aoyagi, Shuji Kondo, Shuji Ishikawa

[Mr. Nerfect]

I haven't heard any buzz about Zeus, so I kind of envision him as a dude that looks like a million bucks but probably doesn't wrestle that way. But Jesus Christ, does he look the part or what?

[Mr. Nerfect]

On the Jericho/Jim Ross/Jaguars rumors:

* Someone on another board was saying, and I don't know their credibility, mind you (they said wait for Meltzer and Johnson on it), that the rumors are "65% false" and "very premature."

* Jim Ross is apparently telling people that he will only be an announcer. His WWE deal expires shortly and he has negged on re-upping.

* Cody's apparently been talking about breaking down barriers and all this sort of stuff in 2019.

* Whatever exists of current plans is looking for a late-2019/early-2020 launch.

* Barry Bloom is said to be involved. He's JR's agent and is also still representing Bill Goldberg. He was taking meetings in Japan regarding it.

* Jim Ross has been sending feelers out to select WWE talent. Chris Jericho has been working the New Japan side.

* Tony Khan, son of Shahid, is said to be heavily involved and a big wrestling fan. He follows Omega, Cody, The Bucks and Marty Scurll on Twitter. Tony Khan is worth $4.5 million himself. Shahid is worth $6.9 billion. Vince McMahon is worth $3.2 billion.

* JR hinted on his podcast that he expects some big moves between now and the ROH/New Japan Madison Square Garden show, specifically in response to Omega and The Bucks, and suggested that his opinion is informed and not just baseless speculation. He's picked up "little bits from here, little bits from there."

* Promotion is said to be based in Las Vegas.

Usually news about new promotions leaves me underwhelmed, but having such a big backer in Khan and people with the reputation of a Jericho, Ross and Bloom involved makes me think that if anything has the chance to be a new "WCW," then it'll be something like this. The environment is the best it's ever been.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

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:wave:

Toni Storm DISQUALIFIED from fandom. This stuff is so stupid.

[Mr. Nerfect]

As opposed to getting on AXS, if the Jericho/JR deal has smoke to it, I hope they really try and get onto a more prominent cable network. A TBS, TNT or Paramount would obviously be the best thing for them. With Paramount you can lean on promotional possibilities with Bellator, but they might still be a bit on edge about wrestling after dealing with TNA.

I doubt TBS or TNT really want to work with wrestling again either after their nightmares, but maybe having a backer like Khan can give them some serious edge. A return of wrestling to TBS could be a "homecoming" sort of thing that they might really go for. MTV might be hungry for something. They lose 29% of viewers each year, so having something that they can try and plug the hole with might be give negotiations some oomph.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The average show WWE puts on costs $885,000. Now this ignores start-up costs, but that's $46 million a year for one show every week. Vince gets about $100 million a year per hour of television. But to cover that overhead, not including what you'd make off merchandise, gate revenue, streams, etc. -- you could cover your production costs with $50 million per hour. They'd probably be looking to do two hours per week, so if they can lock themselves in for $100 million in rights fees for a year, essentially half of what Vince is asking for, they could price him right back down come next negotiations.

God damn, the whole industry would change. Vince is counting on that sweet, sweet television money, but if Khan's hypothetical group simply wanted to run healthy, they could burst the bubble on Vince. Talent would no doubt be cut and eventually Vince would start trying, but what can he really do if, say, USA Network drops him and picks up Khan's group in a few years?

They could also treat talent in a way that gives them more benefits, etc. They could really edge some structural changes that challenge the way WWE does business. And once they've got the Khans as backers, a network is going to put that money in so they might be sitting pretty wealthy pretty quickly.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Given WWE's history with NBCUniversal, I have my doubts USA Network will be willing to drop RAW anytime soon.

[Cool King]

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[Cool King]

I can only assume that WWE gave FBE a bunch of money to advertise Evolution and they come up with that.

[GD]

I love these exaggerated Kevin Dunn edits

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[Mr. Nerfect]

Given WWE's history with NBCUniversal, I have my doubts USA Network will be willing to drop RAW anytime soon.

Maybe not right now, but it would entirely depend on whether or not they were edged out of financial position. Right now Vince can kind of price himself, what with their being no alternative. But they have to subconsciously, maybe even consciously, hate being under Vince's thumb. If some billionaire comes along with a profitable company that charges half-price for content, they'd drop Vince in a heartbeat. Especially if the alternative comes with the backing of a reputable business entity. Compound that with possible backlash due to WWE generally being scummy pieces of shit (hypocrisy, the Saudi situation, etc.) -- there's no way Vince gets offered a higher rights fee when that 3-year (I think it's 3 years with NBC Universal) deal comes up.

Obviously the story is still developing and it might even be complete bullshit -- AXS have no reason to deny the story if there's anything going on their end -- but a big-time promotion with a more humble asking price for television rights is something that would completely change the game on Vince. It would be devastating to Vince's bottom-line right now given how crucial these TV deals are to their profitability.

And it would incure his wrath. Jim Ross and Chris Jericho, if they are as involved as speculated, would have to be very content to never work again if they "betrayed" Vince this way (as I imagine he would see it, and we all know how petty he gets during a wrestling "war"). It would honestly probably be the safer promotional tactic for them/Khan to ask a higher price of TV stations -- or something closer to $80 million in rights fees per hour -- because then they're not pricing out Vince and rather benefiting, mutually, from the environment Vince has created. They can all make money -- yay. The actual transgression would be changing the asking price for content so Vince needs to adapt to them, and given the size and scope of WWE, would be mean they'd need to do some serious restructuring and downsizing.

Another completely awful move they could pull (well, brilliant, if you look at it from their "underdog" perspective), would be to treat talent as if they aren't independent contractors. If you give them benefits, etc., you completely change the way contracts are structured. When deals come up, you better believe talent are making sure Vince gives them the same sort of deal or they jump ship, or that shit finds its way out into the media and Vince and WWE are tyrants who don't treat their employees with as much respect as the babyfaces in the Khan camp.

Honestly, given the position WWE are in, it's actually a wonderful time to take the fight to giant Vince. The television landscape is in a curious place, and the money that is just there for the taking given what TV needs and what WWE is locked into means you can shift around and play things very sneakily. More and more people seem to compare WWE to later stage WCW, and that comparison is very scary, because as soon as something "hotter" and more youthful comes along, they're going to start feeling the pressures from their financial commitments. I don't think they can adapt to changes in the form. They've got five hours of network television a week they are committed to producing. Compare that to a more focused, say, two and it's night and day.

WWE once had demand for five hours of television a week. Well, not really, but they did for four. They used to have a product that demanded hours, and now they have hours that need a product. They're somewhat stuck with that model. They are far more vulnerable than people give them credit for. That's why pyro hasn't made a comeback with their fat Saudi checks. They're the most profitable they have ever been, for now -- but the housing market doesn't always keep going up. They are one major shift away from hemorrhaging all that pretty money. What happens if they have to take a hit from making $500 million a year on television money to only making $325 million a year off their television? It doesn't seem like much of a hit, because that's still a shit-ton of money, but what happens to their stock price? What comes out of the next negotiations if their ratings, for example, can't compete with a new promotion that can hold viewers because they aren't smashing five hours of content a week over people's heads, and is more compelling? What if they don't need to roll around in rights fee money because they are fine making a tiny margin of profit off that and are fine making the rest back on attendance and advertising, or other things WWE can't depend on, exactly, and they can't snap their fingers and fix?

Honestly, I've wanted someone to take the fight to WWE for so long, and I've never bought into the position that "no one can touch Vince now." Bullshit. All someone needs is enough money to get something off the ground and for it to be on television and it's a perfectly viable competitor. New companies pop up in entertainment fields all the time. There are changes in tastes and companies lose flavor, favor and consumers can dictate the market in a lot of cases. A good product with a good time slot on a good network can really slice into what Vince currently controls, and I'm not sure they can just "get good" anymore when it's such a stale product and they are so entrenched in bad habits. But if it does make wrestling good -- cool. WWE would benefit from those changes, and it's possible a rival promotion would too. Ultimately, the fans benefit.

Ah, fuck, I'm pipe-dreaming.

[mike adamle]

Jesus dude no one is gonna read any of these giant posts about some supposed promotion that's not really gonna happen.

[Simple Fan]

He's just getting his expectations up so if it does happen it'll be a huge disappointment to him and he wont have to like it.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

That post was actually insane. Mind you Noid's an obsessive compulsive (self admitted) so I understand. But he's also an asshole so fuck him.

[Bad News Gertner]

Lol Jesus Christ. Some money mark is not going to put a dent in the WWE.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Lol Jesus Christ. Some money mark is not going to put a dent in the WWE.

Dixie tried.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Dixie tried.

Dixie is not worth 1% of what Khan is. That perception is a distinguishing difference when you are, say, negotiating television or getting advertisers.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It probably won't even happen, lol. I'm obviously getting ahead of myself. It's such an interesting business (well, not as far as on-air stuff goes) because of the Vince bluff that he's the only guy that can do wrestling. Someone needs to come along with something, because wrestling has been dying since WCW went under.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Khan has just pulled out of buying Wembley Stadium so is obviously itching to spend some money.

For 600 million British pounds. $785,000,000 USD. The WrestleMania 33 set cost $5 million. The dude was just looking to buy 157 WrestleMania sets. Which he could do 9 times over.

That's obviously not the same as having a WrestleMania or being able to draw people to it, but Jesus, if the dude wants his own wrestling promotion he can start his own wrestling promotion. The big question is whether or not anyone would want one.

Recently, with the news that ROH were going into Madison Square Garden and the online jokes that Vince did not want to take on Sinclair Broadcasting or their lawyers should they genuinely get ruffled about things -- Khan is worth more than all of Sinclair Broadcasting's assets put together. By $1 billion. This dude's sneezes are worth more than TNA. I'm just pointing out that rich people exist, really. A lot of them don't own sports teams (some of them do), or have a millionaire son who is the "owner and chairman of TruMedia Networks, a Boston-based engineering firm specializing in innovative sports analytics solutions for leagues, franchises, and media partners across the athletic industry" and a fan of wrestling.

[Cool King]

I tried my best to cut down on gifs and images this week and I think I did pretty well until I got to SmackDown.

SmackDown is just Gif City this week.

Raw:

• Raw this week was in Atlanta and it was one of those Raw's that was "flipped" or "mirrored" or whatever you want to call it, so instead of the hard camera being where it usually is, it was the opposite side, so it was kinda like watching Raw via a mirror.

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As a kid, I always use to wonder why it was only like that when they went to Atlanta and I always hated it when everything was flipped. I'd watch the intro and look forward to the show and then I'd see that the camera was on the other side and all that and it would just kill the buzz I had.

I also noticed (by watching today) that it also threw off some wrestlers as they would go to the wrong side (and by wrong side, I mean the side they would normal go to) for example, Booker T went to the wrong side when he wanted a microphone, Regal did the same when he wanted his European Championship and even Vince himself went to the wrong side when he wanted to grab the bell during his match.

Anyway, this is also the episode of Raw that Austin no-showed. You can tell that by the beginning when Vince randomly appears and pretty much rips him apart and then randomly challenges Ric Flair to a No Holds Barred Match for 100% ownership of WWE.

At the time, I didn't think anything of it but now, it's quite clear that this was all incredibly rushed at the last second because Austin no-showed. I'm now wondering what the plan was originally going to be for Austin and Flair and the whole "Flair is Austin's Personal Assistant" storyline. I wonder how that would have worked out.

• We see a backstage segment with the nWo and I remember it all so vividly as it's the one where Booker T sings his own version of Shawn Michaels' theme and then corpses near the end.

• We then see Booker T backstage and Goldust appears dressed as Undercover Brother. He then says something that I didn't notice at first but now, it sounds like Goldust insinuated that Shawn Michaels is racist and that he doesn't like black people.

Goldust said "I know Shawn Michaels very well though and if he's that same person that he used to be, well then Book, I'm afraid my feeling is that your days are numbered in the nWo.

Booker T then asks him what he's talking about and Goldust says "Let's just say that Shawn Michaels isn't exactly a fan of our kind".

I wouldn't have gotten that vibe however if Goldust hadn't said all that as he was dressed as a fictional black man, massive afro wig and all.

• Terri is interviewing Molly Holly and Molly brings out a poster of Terri and points out how she can practically see Terri's nipples on the poster. She then tells Terri that she and Trish set a horrible example for women today by exploiting their bodies.

Trish then appears and claims she knows why Molly dislikes her and Terri so much and it's because she (Molly) has a "big ass". Trish then begins to make fun of Molly Holly and her ass whilst Terri laughs. After a match is made, Molly walks away covering up her ass with a magazine whilst Trish and Terri watch her and laugh.

If that promo was done today, Trish & Terri would be seen as heels. It was weird watching it as it did feel like Trish and Terri were being heels but at the time, it would have felt like they were faces like they were.

Me feeling like that has probably got to do with so much "body positive" stuff being on our screens these days, including WWE TV with the most recent being during Alexa Bliss' feud with Nia Jax. Both Bliss and Mickie James made fun of Nia Jax because of the way she looked and that she was bigger but they were heels.

So what were face actions in 2002 are now heel actions in 2018.

Also, I'm sure today that a woman being told that she has a "big ass" would be seen as a compliment. I could be wrong but women seem to chase having a big ass and enjoy flaunting it when they do.

And finally though, for the record, I've always liked Molly's ass.

• European Championship Match now and title matches seem to be a weekly thing back in 2002, which is great. Bradshaw vs Regal and this is Chris Nowinski's debut as he jumped the barricade and threw brass knucks towards Regal.

Regal won the match and they both left together.

• Trish Stratus vs Molly Holly and the match was around five minutes or so long but for those five minutes, Lawler constantly made "big ass jokes" about Molly Holly.

At one point he called her "Blubber Butt". How times have changed. If Lawler did that now, he'd be vilified all over social media and hoards of angry feminists and equality campaigners would be calling for him to lose his job. Something like that anyway.

There was one good exchange during that match though that again, went over my head as a kid but now it got a bit of a laugh out of me.

Lawler: Do you think Trish would marry me?
JR: King, how many wives have you had!?
Lawler: Oh, I've had several wives JR. Three of them my own!

• King of the Ring Qualifying Match between Rob Van Dam and Eddie Guerrero, with the ending appearing to be botched when the referee counted three even though Guerrero had his shoulder up and RVD was still getting into position for his pin.

After the three count both RVD and Guerrero appeared to be confused at first.

There was a shot of a sign during RVD's entrance and I can only assume that back in 2002, Vince & Co. had no idea was 420 referenced.

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• After around a month without his motorcycle, Undertaker appears on one.

During his promo towards Triple H, he said that the only shot he (HHH) is going to get is "me kicking your face right off your head". A part of me thinks what he meant to say was "me kicking your head off your shoulders" or "me kicking your face in" but his brain wanted to say both at the same time.

It has to be either one as what he said doesn't really sound right or make much sense.

• King of the Ring Qualifying Match between Bubba Ray Dudley and Brock Lesnar and this is the debut of Brock Lesnar's signature theme.

At one point of the match Paul Heyman hits Bubba from behind outside the ring and Bubba just turns around and stares at him. Heyman then lets out a very audible "Oh Shit!" before jumping behind the announce table.

• Shawn Micheals starts his promo and immediately says "WWF". He then sarcastically corrects himself (I remember all that).

He later says that he's been watching the nWo and that there is something that "stands out" to him. Later, he tells X-Pac that he is "the most talented performer in our business today" he then Super Kicked Booker T (which I remember so vividly) and tells him that he's "the problem".

Now, with what Goldust said earlier, and Micheals himself saying that something "stands out" to him in the nWo and that it's "the problem" and kicking Booker in the face, it really does make Michaels come across as being a massive racist.

• Main Event match between Vince and Flair and not much happened other than Vince hitting flair with the bell but it not producing a cheap bell sound effect like the bell did on SmackDown last week.

Maybe both brands have different bells and Raw's bell was broken at that time?

SmackDown:

• At the beginning of SmackDown, we saw a recap of Raw and Flair was portrayed as the hero during it, we saw him getting the upper hand of Vince along with heroic music playing. This also seemed to be the case during Raw when JR kept singing Flair's praises and defending him even though the previous weeks, Flair was a heel and JR practically hated him.

I'm sure however that this sudden change all had to do with Austin walking out.

• There's a contract signing for the Undisputed Championship match at King of the Ring to start off SmackDown and Undertaker comes out without his motorcycle, even though on Raw he did.

Triple H then nearly kills a man with a wooden chair.

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The contract signing was just a setup and Triple H gets attacked by the security that were there but he demolishes them all and bring out a sledgehammer which makes Undertaker and Vince run away. Triple H demands Undertaker comes back and threatens not to leave the ring until Undertaker appears.

A break has just finished and Triple H is still in the ring but Billy, Chuck and Rico are at the top of the ramp and they tell Triple H to get out of the ring as Rico has a match tonight (I always like it when we see interactions like this, when it's interactions between guys you wouldn't normal expect or see).

Anyway, Triple H then starts making gay jokes towards them because it's 2002.

He then manages to get Vince to come out after threatening to break a camera.

• King of the Ring Qualifying Match between Test and The Hurricane and after the match, Jamie Noble and Nidia come out to attack Hurricane and Noble is now wearing his usual jean shorts attire, even though when he made his debut last week backstage, he wore tights.

• King of the Ring Qualifying Match between Tajiri and Hardcore Holly and I've never noticed it until now how badly SmackDown was edited.

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Along with stuff like in that gif (which I've noticed happens a lot), there were times where you could tell that Cole and Tazz's lines were recorded later in a studio and also times where their lines has been either removed or added as you could see Cole and Tazz in the background either not talking or one was talking but you were hearing the other.

• <s>The Thrillseekers</s> Chris Jericho & Lance Storm vs The Big Valbowski & Billy Kidman was a nice tag team match which ended with Lance Storm getting screwed.

I'm also surprised that they actually showed this sign on TV.

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It reads "Y2J is Way 2 Gay".

I was thinking maybe it was a mistake as the camera slowly moves away from it but it if was, then it would have been edited out from the broadcast all together. Also, Triple H made gay jokes earlier so I guess back then, WWE were fine with anyone making gay jokes. Wrestler or fan.

• Reverend D-Von does his much known promo on masturbation where Faarooq comes out and declares that he masturbates. I don't know why that was the topic of this promo.

Also, the match was nine seconds long.

• Trish Stratus & Linda (Tough Enough II Winner) vs Ivory & Jackie (Tough Enough II Winner) and this was Jackie's debut and she didn't suck.

• Backstage we see Vince and Stacy and at the door is Dawn Marie and her randomly shiny boobs.

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After nobody answers the door, we see the most uncomfortable kiss of all time.

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I legitimately felt bad for Stacy.

• Undertaker & Angle vs Triple H & Hulk Hogan but Hogan got attacked before the match so he wasn't there.

During the match, Triple H hit Undertaker with a chair but didn't get disqualified but 35 seconds later he hit Undertaker with a sledgehammer and then gets disqualified.

After the match, Hogan comes out and attacks Angle and this is the episode of SmackDown that Kurt Angle is first seen completely bald.

Even though SmackDown was recorded back then and quite heavily edited, you could tell by the noise of the pop that was generated from seeing Angle's bald head was legit as it sounds nothing like the cheers in WWE's sound library.

Also, the amount of flashes from photographs being taken was crazy. All that because of a bald head.

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I think maybe that was the last time a moment (not an entrance) on WWE television got that amount of flashes from photographs being taken, as now we all use our phones to take pictures and they don't really need a flash to produce a good photo.

• Finally, I'll end with this photo with no context.

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[Emperor Smeat]

I'm also surprised that they actually showed this sign on TV.

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It reads "Y2J is Way 2 Gay".

I was thinking maybe it was a mistake as the camera slowly moves away from it but it if was, then it would have been edited out from the broadcast all together. Also, Triple H made gay jokes earlier so I guess back then, WWE were fine with anyone making gay jokes. Wrestler or fan.

If I remember, its not really until the Billy & Chuck relationship storyline that WWE managed to get a gay rights sponsor on board with them. Also why they took a lot of heat with GLAAD for the fake marriage gag and making Rico into a gay villain for the storyline.

Same for why Cena suddenly stopped using gay insults towards his opponents for promos a couple years later since GLAAD and maybe others threatened to pull their sponsorship deals.

[Emperor Smeat]

Seems Zach Ryder might be starting to branch away from the WWE. Recently changed his Youtube channel name to be under his real name and is also starting a new podcast show soon with Curt Hawkins (also under his real name).

[slik]

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[SlickyTrickyDamon]

:drool:

Why did they give her Sasha Banks color hair anyways?

[Mr. Nerfect]

I really can’t stand Carmella as a performer, but she does look phenomenal there.

[Cool King]

If I remember, its not really until the Billy & Chuck relationship storyline that WWE managed to get a gay rights sponsor on board with them. Also why they took a lot of heat with GLAAD for the fake marriage gag and making Rico into a gay villain for the storyline.

Same for why Cena suddenly stopped using gay insults towards his opponents for promos a couple years later since GLAAD and maybe others threatened to pull their sponsorship deals.

I remember reading about the gay backlash of Billy & Chuck's wedding when it happened.

Personally, I never saw anything wrong with making Rico a heel because of it all. I think it all worked out perfectly. It just all made sense. It was a good storyline.

It's stuff like GLAAD's reaction to it all that I hate when it comes to stuff like that. Rico was never actually gay by the way, he was just flamboyant at times and it was just insinuated that he was gay because of it.

GLAAD were fine with Rico and the insinuation that he was gay until he turned heel and it just came across to me that GLAAD's reaction to it all was saying "Gay people can't be bad. All gay people are good. If you imply that a gay person is bad, then you're homophobic".

Bad gay people do exist and also, it's a fictitious character that's part of a storyline on a TV show.

It wasn't like the WWE created the storyline to mock or ridicule homosexuality. They built a storyline around the insinuation from fans that Billy, Chuck and Rico were all gay. In the world of kayfabe, Rico knew that they all weren't gay but he knew the fans thought they were, so he exploited it to get what he wanted but he knew Billy & Chuck would crack at the wedding, so he had 3 Minute Warning appear to punish Billy & Chuck for ruining his plans.

Whatever though, maybe it's because I'm not gay but I've just never understood the backlash to Billy & Chuck's wedding. I've always felt the reaction from GLAAD and the LGBT community was a bit over the top.

[Cool King]

I really can’t stand Carmella as a performer, but she does look phenomenal there.

Really?

Her eyes look like they've been pulled back and her face just generally looks like it's made of plastic.

[Cool King]

She looks much better than that photo but that's just my opinion.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Oh, I wasn't really looking at her face.

[Big Vic]

Cool King should have his own thread for the raw reviews I enjoy reading them each week.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I remember reading about the gay backlash of Billy & Chuck's wedding when it happened.

Personally, I never saw anything wrong with making Rico a heel because of it all. I think it all worked out perfectly. It just all made sense. It was a good storyline.

It's stuff like GLAAD's reaction to it all that I hate when it comes to stuff like that. Rico was never actually gay by the way, he was just flamboyant at times and it was just insinuated that he was gay because of it.

GLAAD were fine with Rico and the insinuation that he was gay until he turned heel and it just came across to me that GLAAD's reaction to it all was saying "Gay people can't be bad. All gay people are good. If you imply that a gay person is bad, then you're homophobic".

Bad gay people do exist and also, it's a fictitious character that's part of a storyline on a TV show.

It wasn't like the WWE created the storyline to mock or ridicule homosexuality. They built a storyline around the insinuation from fans that Billy, Chuck and Rico were all gay. In the world of kayfabe, Rico knew that they all weren't gay but he knew the fans thought they were, so he exploited it to get what he wanted but he knew Billy & Chuck would crack at the wedding, so he had 3 Minute Warning appear to punish Billy & Chuck for ruining his plans.

Whatever though, maybe it's because I'm not gay but I've just never understood the backlash to Billy & Chuck's wedding. I've always felt the reaction from GLAAD and the LGBT community was a bit over the top.

I remember it coming off really bad. Billy & Chuck were like "Whoa, whoa, whoa -- we're not GAY!" to a massive babyface pop. And it drew attention to what a giant stereotype Rico was, so when they make the stereotype disdained, that's kind of a two-fer. Wrestling has never represented gay well, haha. It's not that GLAAD were saying that gay people can't be bad. They were just pointing out that this was another case of wrestling doing it bad.

[Gerard]

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Never realised Austin also did a sit out tombstone and injured another wrestler.

[Evil Vito]

Rico was fucking awesome

[Evil Vito]

Rico's legal name is Americo Sebastiano Costantino

wonder if he's Italian

[Gerard]

I really can’t stand Carmella as a performer, but she does look phenomenal there.

The wonders of a truckload of make up, fake tan and photoshop.

[Lock Jaw]

I think she normally looks way better than that pic personally

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I think she normally looks way better than that pic personally

I don't. Her face irritates me. (SIMILAR TO YR FACE LOCKJAW)

[Vastardikai]

She has the same horse face that Sasha has after the cartoonish amount of makeup they throw on her.

[Cool King]

Cool King should have his own thread for the raw reviews I enjoy reading them each week.

https://i.postimg.cc/NMZRz3fX/ezgif-3-9fd3a961e993.gif

[Cool King]

I wouldn't really call them reviews though.

They're more my random thoughts and observations on WWE programming in 2002.

[Cool King]

I am surprised at the positive feedback I've been getting on them though.

I didn't really think anyone would enjoy reading them as they're mostly just random thoughts and observations that don't really serve any purpose other than to stop me from being bored on Sundays.

[GD]

It’s a lot of fun to go through them, Cool King. Document them properly. Maybe you’ll want to go through them at a later time.

[Cool King]

I remember it coming off really bad. Billy & Chuck were like "Whoa, whoa, whoa -- we're not GAY!" to a massive babyface pop. And it drew attention to what a giant stereotype Rico was, so when they make the stereotype disdained, that's kind of a two-fer. Wrestling has never represented gay well, haha. It's not that GLAAD were saying that gay people can't be bad. They were just pointing out that this was another case of wrestling doing it bad.

I remember the pop when they said they weren't gay. It was great (in a humorous sense).

I think the best thing for wrestling when it comes to representing homosexuality is to just not mention it. Don't make a big deal out of it and make it come across as a gimmick.

Kinda like what the WWE are doing with Sonya Deville. She's gay but they don't mention it, or what they did with Darren Young. He came out and they supported him but after that, it wasn't spoken about.

[Cool King]

It’s a lot of fun to go through them, Cool King. Document them properly. Maybe you’ll want to go through them at a later time.

I was actually thinking about doing that kinda stuff once I reach King of the Ring 2002.

[Cool King]

I think that's next week for me.

[Cool King]

Just reading up on Darren Young and I had no idea that his mother is a lesbian.

[Cool King]

What a fun family.

[Emperor Smeat]

I remember reading about the gay backlash of Billy & Chuck's wedding when it happened.

Personally, I never saw anything wrong with making Rico a heel because of it all. I think it all worked out perfectly. It just all made sense. It was a good storyline.

It's stuff like GLAAD's reaction to it all that I hate when it comes to stuff like that. Rico was never actually gay by the way, he was just flamboyant at times and it was just insinuated that he was gay because of it.

GLAAD were fine with Rico and the insinuation that he was gay until he turned heel and it just came across to me that GLAAD's reaction to it all was saying "Gay people can't be bad. All gay people are good. If you imply that a gay person is bad, then you're homophobic".

Bad gay people do exist and also, it's a fictitious character that's part of a storyline on a TV show.

It wasn't like the WWE created the storyline to mock or ridicule homosexuality. They built a storyline around the insinuation from fans that Billy, Chuck and Rico were all gay. In the world of kayfabe, Rico knew that they all weren't gay but he knew the fans thought they were, so he exploited it to get what he wanted but he knew Billy & Chuck would crack at the wedding, so he had 3 Minute Warning appear to punish Billy & Chuck for ruining his plans.

Whatever though, maybe it's because I'm not gay but I've just never understood the backlash to Billy & Chuck's wedding. I've always felt the reaction from GLAAD and the LGBT community was a bit over the top.
Yeah Rico was always more of a flamboyant type character but it was just WWE's poor handling of the wedding swerve that caught them a lot of heat with GLAAD. Like it came off as Billy and Chuck were only pretending to be gay for some cheap laughs, Rco exposing himself as being gay in the process since he wasn't in on the gag, and Rico trying to force them to marry as some sort of evil gay punishment.

Forgot if they told GLAAD of plans to make them into a positive role model for LGBTs or GLAAD just assumed that was going to happen and instead got played for fools by the WWE.

[Lock Jaw]

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[Emperor Smeat]

Apparently there is a rumor going around the net that the Bellas were mad backstage about Ronda's promo last week. Similar to the AJ Lee Pipe Bomb promo, they felt Ronda went a bit too far in her insults towards them.

Also according to the Observer, Ronda's promo also had her real feelings towards the Bellas and others who use their looks to become successful.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Cody seems to be teasing moving into a new role in wrestling. He gave a thank you to the NWA and suggested that he continues his "remaining dates" with ROH. Given their working relationship with New Japan, I doubt he'd have "remaining dates" if he was sticking with New Japan either.

A lot of people are speculating WWE, but it lends more smokes to the rumors of that Jericho/JR promotion, since I just can't see Cody wanting to go back to WWE.

[Tom Guycott]

Cody seems to be teasing moving into a new role in wrestling. He gave a thank you to the NWA and suggested that he continues his "remaining dates" with ROH. Given their working relationship with New Japan, I doubt he'd have "remaining dates" if he was sticking with New Japan either.

A lot of people are speculating WWE, but it lends more SMOKE AND MIIIIRORRRRSSSS WHOA-OH!!! to the rumors of that Jericho/JR promotion, since I just can't see Cody wanting to go back to WWE.

Also, all the "notes from -H" on BTE, including a certain suit that was left in Cody's bag... it's never the obvious.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It took me ages to work out what you meant by BTE. I thought you meant that Cody was on BET.

[Droford]

BET should do a wrestling show

[slik]

I think Dean/Seth and Braun/Drew will feud for months.

Could easily then switch partners out and voila, WM35 feuds:

Drew/Seth - Universal Title
Dean/Braun - the reverse Brock/Dean w/ heel Ambrose
Batista/HHH

Top WM35 bouts right there

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A champion transcends any company. <a href="https://twitter.com/WWERomanReigns?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WWERomanReigns</a>, on behalf of NJPW we all wish you a speedy recovery.</p>&mdash; NJPW Global (@njpwglobal) <a href="https://twitter.com/njpwglobal/status/1054642413464018944?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 23, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[slik]

Was reading about secondary leukemia...Seems survivability is 36%.

The median survival rate...7 months

I obviously know jack about Romans specific case...
But from what I’m reading...he has a tough mountain to climb.

:(

[Big Vic]

It's really sad even more-so that he has a daughter.

[Innovator]

It's really sad even more-so that he has a daughter.

He also has two twin boys

[RP]

Bliss out at Evolution

[Droford]

Just do Mickie vs Trish

[Big Vic]

He also has two twin boys

The Usos?

[Big Vic]

JK, I only see his daughter in the commercials with him didn't know he had boys.

[Cool King]

The Universal Championship is such a tainted title.

• It's been vacated twice with the first time being due to injury right after the inaugural champion won it.

• Its longest champion has been a part-timer who held it for over a year.

• The second time it was vacated was because the champion was diagnosed with leukaemia.

• A new champion is going to be crowned in Saudi Arabia during immense worldwide criticism and condemnation of the country, as its ruler has murdered an outspoken journalist in one of their consulates on foreign soil, breaking International Law by doing so.

• There's a 50% chance the new champion will be the same part-timer that won it before and held it for over a year.

[Sixx]

The Universal Championship is such a tainted title.

• It's been vacated twice with the first time being due to injury right after the inaugural champion won it.

• Its longest champion has been a part-timer who held it for over a year.

• The second time it was vacated was because the champion was diagnosed with leukaemia.

• A new champion is going to be crowned in Saudi Arabia during immense worldwide criticism and condemnation of the country, as its ruler has murdered an outspoken journalist in one of their consulates on foreign soil, breaking International Law by doing so.

• There's a 50% chance the new champion will be the same part-timer that won it before and held it for over a year.

It's also a red belt and red is a commie color!

[Cool King]

I was actually going to mention the fact that it's an ugly red colour as a joke but I decided against it.

[Emperor Smeat]

Some new details about what WWE is currently considering for a new tier to the WWE Network.

WWE issued a new survey gauging fan interest on possible features for an upgraded tier on the Network. They wrote: "WWE is considering a new premium tier for WWE Network, offering more content, features and perks. This tier would be available for $15 per month."

The survey stated that the new tier would include exclusive streaming content, such as live monthly Saturday Night Main Event shows, special live events, as well as current and archived ICW and Progress Wrestling events. Non-streaming features with the new tier would include free shipping on merchandise purchased on WWE Shop, a WWE rewards program where you receive points for money spent on the premium subscription or on WWE Shop, early access to live event tickets, automatic entries into WWE-themed sweepstakes and the ability to stream and download WWE content on up to 4 devices concurrently (instead of 2).

[Cool King]

Nah, I'll stick with my £9.99 subscription, thanks.

[Cool King]

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[Cool King]

I kinda feel bad for Lita as it's quite obvious that 0% creativity and effort when into her T-Shirt when compared with Trish's T-Shirt.

[Big Vic]

The Universal Championship is such a tainted title.

• It's been vacated twice with the first time being due to injury right after the inaugural champion won it.

• Its longest champion has been a part-timer who held it for over a year.

• The second time it was vacated was because the champion was diagnosed with leukaemia.

• A new champion is going to be crowned in Saudi Arabia during immense worldwide criticism and condemnation of the country, as its ruler has murdered an outspoken journalist in one of their consulates on foreign soil, breaking International Law by doing so.

• There's a 50% chance the new champion will be the same part-timer that won it before and held it for over a year.
The losing champion never gets a guaranteed rematch either.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The Universal Championship is such a tainted title.

• It's been vacated twice with the first time being due to injury right after the inaugural champion won it.

• Its longest champion has been a part-timer who held it for over a year.

• The second time it was vacated was because the champion was diagnosed with leukaemia.

• A new champion is going to be crowned in Saudi Arabia during immense worldwide criticism and condemnation of the country, as its ruler has murdered an outspoken journalist in one of their consulates on foreign soil, breaking International Law by doing so.

• There's a 50% chance the new champion will be the same part-timer that won it before and held it for over a year.

The only time it felt like a real title was when Goldberg and Brock held it. I suppose given the scope of his push, Roman holding it felt normal too. Don't really buy anyone else as a champion, and it was never going to feel that special in a company with two World Titles anyway. Goldberg and Brock helped it because they are special.

[Mr. Nerfect]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A champion transcends any company. <a href="https://twitter.com/WWERomanReigns?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WWERomanReigns</a>, on behalf of NJPW we all wish you a speedy recovery.</p>&mdash; NJPW Global (@njpwglobal) <a href="https://twitter.com/njpwglobal/status/1054642413464018944?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 23, 2018</a></blockquote>
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:'(

[Tom Guycott]

BET should do a wrestling show

Absolutely not.

[Tom Guycott]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A champion transcends any company. <a href="https://twitter.com/WWERomanReigns?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@WWERomanReigns</a>, on behalf of NJPW we all wish you a speedy recovery.</p>&mdash; NJPW Global (@njpwglobal) <a href="https://twitter.com/njpwglobal/status/1054642413464018944?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 23, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Both an interesting and classy move. I wonder if this is in any way acknowledged by WWE, even internally.

[Tom Guycott]

The Universal Championship is such a tainted title.

• It's been vacated twice with the first time being due to injury right after the inaugural champion won it.

• Its longest champion has been a part-timer who held it for over a year.

• The second time it was vacated was because the champion was diagnosed with leukaemia.

• A new champion is going to be crowned in Saudi Arabia during immense worldwide criticism and condemnation of the country, as its ruler has murdered an outspoken journalist in one of their consulates on foreign soil, breaking International Law by doing so.

• There's a 50% chance the new champion will be the same part-timer that won it before and held it for over a year.

"... and then you add Kurt Angle to the mix?! <s>You</s> the chances of winning drastic go down!!!"

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

The numbers don't lie! They spell disaster for you at Crown Jewel!

[Emperor Smeat]

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[Droford]

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[SlickyTrickyDamon]

https://i.redd.it/ipp2003i26u11.jpg

:heart:

[Vastardikai]

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I wish there was a way to nuke that entire arena from orbit.

[Mr. Nerfect]

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I just don't know why people can't understand why wrestling is looked down upon sometimes.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I had this idea after watching a brief clip of Kevin Nash talking about the current product:

WWE could experiment with different audiences by putting a more adult product -- or less produced, anyway -- on the WWE Network, where they don't have to adhere to TV standards or expectations. All the Attitude era stuff is already there for the kiddies to absorb anyway.

I don't know whether or not this is possible with streaming services, but I'd toy with the idea of putting it up for a limited amount of time too. Maybe even a very narrow window of time in order to make it seem a lot more urgent. In my head, I was playing with 11pm on a Friday until 11am on a Saturday. The idea, although you would never promote it as such, would be to get the little kiddies to sneak a watch either while their parents are too busy drinking or nursing hangovers the next morning. I found wrestling through a Saturday morning show.

It allows you to shake more fruit out of the tree. Very few talent can get the chance to show what they can do in an organic setting. I'm not saying they would be saying "Fuck" every three seconds or anything, but you can have more organic feuds and stories that have a bit more...testosterone than the current product.

[Rammsteinmad]

I use to love all that Indy nonsense, in particular, back around 2008-2010 or something I was a huge Chikara fan. But now I just see all these crap and none of it seems funny anymore.

The guy with the super strong penis who keeps flipping people over with it... never laughed once. Think I've lost my smile.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think at some stage it's natural for wrestling fans, given the stigma associated with wrestling, to say "Of course we know it's not real -- look at how deliberately fake it is." And that gets compounded with so many wrestling tropes being smacked over our heads that anything that subverts it seems "fun." But wrestling is really conflict drama. It has goals (winning and losing) and it should have stakes in order to justify emotional investment.

The thing with all the comedy wrestling is that is completely defeats the point of any of that. I don't think it's impressive to go out there and pretend that the goals and stakes are ludicrous. And I think to non-fans, as opposed to being an obvious edge into to a staged form of entertainment, it's actually as silly as someone trying to do a comedy song but not being able to remotely play an instrument or be able to sing. "Why do you watch this shit? You know it's fake, right?" "Of course I do! Look at that guy swinging people with his penis! They're clearly not trying to fool anyone!" "Yeah, but why do you watch this shit?"

It's got even less of a point than WWE's sports entertainment, and I actually consider it a very self-conscious and self-hating form of wrestling. I'm sure the guys who do it think it is funny, but I can't help but think that they must be deeply insecure to need to overtly discredit any form of irony bribe. It's like they are too scared to actually try. And it's riddled with 15-year-old boy syndrome.

[#1-norm-fan]

I think I know the Kevin Nash clip you’re talking about. He had a great line that went something like “How am I supposed to suspend disbelief when I’m watching a grown man say ‘I’m gonna kick your butt’. Meanwhile I go outside and two 14 year olds are getting off the bus ‘Your mom sucked my dick last night...’”

:lol:

[GD]

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[Sixx]

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Those commentators sound like they're geniunely laughing.

And they don't sound 6 years old.

[XL]

6 of those guys are now contracted to WWE, with another who used to work there, and a guy they brought in as a big deal for a one off appearance.

[Sixx]

6 of those guys are now contracted to WWE, with another who used to work there, and a guy they brought in as a big deal for a one off appearance.

Who are they?

[Rammsteinmad]

I do wanna see Chuck Taylor in the WWE. Even though I've "outgrown" the comedy stuff, I do think he's a pretty solid worker and has loads of goofy charisma.

[slik]

WWE responds to Megyn Kelly saying blackface 'not that bad' w/concern that Bella Twins appearance would be bad PR.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WWE Pulls Talent From Megyn Kelly Show Appearances <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWE?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWE</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MegynKelly?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MegynKelly</a> <a href="https://t.co/VoXkBYr4Hg">https://t.co/VoXkBYr4Hg</a></p>&mdash; 411 Wrestling (@411wrestling) <a href="https://twitter.com/411wrestling/status/1055452048068669441?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 25, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[XL]

Who are they?

Pete Dunne, Ciampa, Cedric Alexander, Kendrick, Matt Riddle, Alexander Black/Tommy End are all under contract. Sami Callahan/Solomon Crowe did a stink in NXT. Jushin Liger did a guest spot for a Takeover.

[Big Vic]

Megyn Kellys comments weren't that bad. She was asking a question.

[#1-norm-fan]

Did WWE pull their people from the appearance for was the show just scrapped by NBC? Because it sounds like the latter.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

They canceled the show and she is probably fired. WWE didn't do shit.

[Emperor Smeat]

WWE responds to Megyn Kelly saying blackface 'not that bad' w/concern that Bella Twins appearance would be bad PR.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WWE Pulls Talent From Megyn Kelly Show Appearances <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWE?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WWE</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MegynKelly?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MegynKelly</a> <a href="https://t.co/VoXkBYr4Hg">https://t.co/VoXkBYr4Hg</a></p>&mdash; 411 Wrestling (@411wrestling) <a href="https://twitter.com/411wrestling/status/1055452048068669441?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 25, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Bet if Kelly offered a boatload of cash, WWE wouldn't see a problem with it.

Also a bit funny that WWE has a problem with blackface but not with people who say racist things considering the recent Hogan news.

[Sepholio]

Did WWE pull their people from the appearance for was the show just scrapped by NBC? Because it sounds like the latter.
As of right now, WWE pulled their people. NBC hasn't made any actual decision yet.

Megyn Kellys comments weren't that bad. She was asking a question.
Agreed. People blew this one way out of proportion.

They canceled the show and she is probably fired. WWE didn't do shit.
Everything is speculation and clickbait at this point. The show is not cancelled yet. She is not fired yet. Both of these things are very likely to happen, but as of now, they haven't. I don't have any love for Megyn Kelly, but given what she actually said, I would hope they would not fire her and maybe just make her take some tolerance training or something for publicity purposes.

As it stands right now, the show is on the air and she is on a leave of absence. She wasn't on the show today, but probably will be on Friday as they pretape the Friday shows. We will know more when NBC makes an official statement or when that timeslot roles around on Monday.

[Sepholio]

It's amazing to me that WWE will pull people from Megyn Kelly over some innocent comments because they fear backlash from being associated with that.....yet they are still going to Saudi Arabia. These 2 decisions literally don't jive.

[Emperor Smeat]

Apparently WWE's live events took a huge hit for the fiscal quarter based on WWE's recent report. Both revenues and attendance were at their lowest in years with Vince pleading to investors not to worry since he can quickly fix it.

Numbers-wise, everything else in the report that the WWE tried to present as positive had a hidden negative or counter which is why their stocks took a hit afterwards. Like them boasting at having 1.65 million subscribers for the Network but yet they only made 2% more in revenues compared to last year.

[Innovator]

Sounds like NBC wanted a reason to get rid of Megyn Kelly

[slik]

Not surprised as live events

Tickets too expensive for non-big shows.

[Cool King]

Uncaged VI is being released tomorrow and the track listing is as follows:


1: Pourquoi? (Bourgeoisie Remix) [Maryse]
2: Hurt You (Katie Lea)
3: Strong and Sexy (Stronger) [Gail Kim]
4: Party On (Alicia Fox)
5: Tropical Storm (Pacific Islands Remix) [Tamina]
6: The Girl Next Door (Stacy Keibler)
7: Yeah Baby (Natalya)
8: Glamazon (Championship Remix) [Beth Phoenix]
9: What Love Is (RnB Remix) [Candice Michelle]
10: Don't Mess With (Victoria)
11: Molly Holly (Molly Holly)
12: Made of Ivory (Ivory)
13: Who's That Girl (Emma)
14: All Grown Up (General Manager Remix) [Stephanie McMahon]

As you can see, it's an all female track listing (I wonder why?).

The only themes I'm really interesting in are Katie Lea's, Natalya's (but we've already got the full version from the SvR games but it's still a good theme), Beth Phoenix's, Molly Holly's and Ivory's.

I've also noticed that just over half of the themes are from the 05-09 period but you can't really complain as the vast majority of women before 2005 were only given really generic sounding production themes, especially in the late 90's/early 00's, which are only represented by Ivory, Stacy Keibler and Molly Holly. I'm not counting Stephanie's theme there even though it's from 2002, because she's the boss' daughter so obviously she would have been given her very own theme.

I think it's cool that we've been given two themes that were only ever used once, with those being Beth Phoenix and Emma, who by the way, is the only "2010's" theme on the album and yeah Tamina's theme is from 2012 but I can't really recall her using a remix of "Tropical Storm", so I think that may be a completely unused theme all-together. I think maybe she was going to use it but plans were made to pair her up with AJ Lee, so she just began using AJ Lee's theme instead.

I remember reading somewhere that although the Uncaged albums are credited to Jim Johnston, he has never had anything to do with the albums as it's all CFO$ doing. I remember reading that they're given free range to the WWE music library and they select which themes get added to the albums. They are also apparently allowed to change the names of tracks which they did with Viscera's theme from Uncaged III. It's original Jim Johnston title was "Fuck Me" but they changed it to "Gut Punch". I think maybe they've done the same with Molly Holly's theme as its title is simply "Molly Holly". I'm sure its original title was "Virginous", "Virgin" or "Wholesome". Something that was related to her gimmick at the time anyway. "Molly Holly" is kind of a boring and unimaginative title and doesn't really scream that Jim Johnston made it. I think CFO$ may have wanted to change it but couldn't think up of something so they just went with "Molly Holly" because as we've seen with their themes, they are just simply creative Gods.

[slik]

WWE should make house shows tix cheaper

They often get too close to being the same price as RAW/SDLive ticket prices

[Sepholio]

Yeah my last house show ticket was like 63 bucks and they were good seats but not great. First row of non-floor seats. Good view though considering I was sitting above everyone in front of me by a good bit.

[slik]

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[Emperor Smeat]

WWE should make house shows tix cheaper

They often get too close to being the same price as RAW/SDLive ticket prices

Should also run fewer of them since not only are they directly competing against themselves, it would also give an extra day of rest for wrestlers to keep them healthy.

Think it was the Observer who mentioned the only reason why WWE runs house shows on the same day as a RAW or Smackdown episode is due to Vince and co not wanting wrestlers and road crews to have an extra day off. Nor do they feel like shifting the schedule so that the off day starts on a Monday or Tuesday depending on the brand.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think I know the Kevin Nash clip you’re talking about. He had a great line that went something like “How am I supposed to suspend disbelief when I’m watching a grown man say ‘I’m gonna kick your butt’. Meanwhile I go outside and two 14 year olds are getting off the bus ‘Your mom sucked my dick last night...’”

:lol:

That is 100% the clip I am talking about. You don't need to break PG, but come on -- this company has got no clue how kids genuinely relate to each other.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Apparently WWE's live events took a huge hit for the fiscal quarter based on WWE's recent report. Both revenues and attendance were at their lowest in years with Vince pleading to investors not to worry since he can quickly fix it.

Numbers-wise, everything else in the report that the WWE tried to present as positive had a hidden negative or counter which is why their stocks took a hit afterwards. Like them boasting at having 1.65 million subscribers for the Network but yet they only made 2% more in revenues compared to last year.

I'm curious as to how Vince thinks he can fix it. He probably doesn't, but that's the point of an investor meeting, isn't it? Lie to them enough to keep them invested? But I'm glad there is bad news coming out of the report. WWE is not going to change unless it has to.

Not surprised as live events

Tickets too expensive for non-big shows.

They have to charge more for tickets because fewer people are going. They would be able to get away with charging less if there was more interest in the product. This is the same reason they are thinking about bringing in tiers to the Network. They can't get new people in, so they need to milk their hardcores in order to keep chugging along.

Should also run fewer of them since not only are they directly competing against themselves, it would also give an extra day of rest for wrestlers to keep them healthy.

Think it was the Observer who mentioned the only reason why WWE runs house shows on the same day as a RAW or Smackdown episode is due to Vince and co not wanting wrestlers and road crews to have an extra day off. Nor do they feel like shifting the schedule so that the off day starts on a Monday or Tuesday depending on the brand.

WWE puts themselves in these situations. When they don't have a brand split, SmackDown becomes a rerun or otherwise redundant, and its ratings tank which means it is at risk of cancellation a lot. When they do a brand split, SmackDown benefits, but Raw suffers and live events and PPVs go down, because it weakens the core roster strength. It's this constant tweaking game between keeping SmackDown alive and not letting your other business get too weak.

The simple answer would be to end the brand split and let someone else handle SmackDown, making it a unique show with its own feel and storylines that get people hooked. You know -- actually putting the work in to make the show feel important while you still have talent on Raw and live events. But that requires effort. Much easier to just give it a "unique" roster and then act surprised when things are so watered down that no one gives a shit and you need to jack-up ticket prices.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Also, fuck this company and their hypocrisy.

[Droford]

Lol the airport in Jacksonville in the show the Good Place is Randy Macho Man Savage Non International Airport

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[Disturbed316]

Didn't realise Evolution was this weekend, is anyone actually going to watch it?

[Lock Jaw]

I'm pretty hype for it. Not as hype as if WWE did a good job at all of booking and building it up, but still I'm looking forward to it.

[DaveWadding]

In 2 years, we're going to be talking about how former UFC Champion Ken Shamrock wrestled a match against the 46th President of the United States, Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson and the UFC fighter lost.

[Jordan]

Didn't realise Evolution was this weekend, is anyone actually going to watch it?

I won’t. Just not that into WWE’s women’s division/roster.

[DaveWadding]

Also, got tix for Takeover Phoenix. :cool:

[Cool King]

Didn't realise Evolution was this weekend, is anyone actually going to watch it?

I'll watch it out of curiosity but I'll only really be watching the Battle Royal match (because I like Battle Royals) and Trish & Lita/Bliss & James.

I'll maybe watch the two main brand Women's Championship matches but I'll only be watching the Raw Women's Championship match because I want to see the terrible decision that Vince & Co. will make when Nikki Bella defeats Ronda Rousey to become champion.

[Cool King]

Knowing Vince & Co., Nikki will probably make Ronda tap.

[screech]

Knowing Vince & Co., Nikki will probably make Ronda tap.

I read that the Bellas were apparently upset with Ronda's promo, so Nikki will 100p win in 4 minutes via armbar.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I read that the Bellas were apparently upset with Ronda's promo, so Nikki will 100p win in 4 minutes via armbar.

IMO it's a "worked shoot" because Ronda wouldn't have said anything unapproved. Maybe they didn't tell Nikki in order to get genuine reaction, but I could see her trying to add a little "spice" to the feud by acting "shoot" upset with the promo.

[slik]

I read that the Bellas were apparently upset with Ronda's promo, so Nikki will 100p win in 4 minutes via armbar.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Nikki Bella went OFF. She just spilled the tea. This is the best thing I’ve ever heard 👏💯 <a href="https://twitter.com/BellaTwins?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BellaTwins</a> <a href="https://t.co/yL73ZCVObi">pic.twitter.com/yL73ZCVObi</a></p>&mdash; best of nikki bella (@badpostnikki) <a href="https://twitter.com/badpostnikki/status/1055489698406137857?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 25, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[slik]

Didn't realise Evolution was this weekend, is anyone actually going to watch it?

WWE has botched this event so badly.

I'll watch it and I hope it's good, but I'm expecting it to be a mess.

[slik]

I think it's probably the most they've botched one of their own PPVs since the infamous ECW brand's December To Dismember that was scheduled for one week after Survivor Series and Vince forbid anything but the main-event being announced more than a week in advance b/c he was worried D2D would 'take attention away from Survivor Series' otherwise.

[slik]

In fact, IIRC Vince put all the blame for the show being a disaster on Paul Heyman and fired him almost immediately after the show. Heyman/Vince had clashed about Lashley winning the title at the show as Heyman wanted Punk to leave as champ but Vince was all about pushing Lashley as the face of the ECW brand at the time.

[GD]

In fact, IIRC Vince put all the blame for the show being a disaster on Paul Heyman and fired him almost immediately after the show. Heyman/Vince had clashed about Lashley winning the title at the show as Heyman wanted Punk to leave as champ but Vince was all about pushing Lashley as the face of the ECW brand at the time.

Heyman also wanted Punk to make Big Show tap out in less than five minutes. Prichard ridiculed him for suggesting that on his podcast.

[GD]

I am genuinely curious as to how they'll book the RAW Women's Championship match. Will it be "one-and-done" or will we see a screwy finish with Stephanie interfering?

[slik]

You're right!

Also they had only announced two matches for the show before it aired, the main-event and a tag match between Hardy's and MNM (John Morrison/Joey Mercury). And the show wasn't even 2 1/2 hours long, which Vince again blamed completely on Paul Heyman, who wasn't allowed to book anything for the show really more than a few days in advance.

[GD]

This was very confusing at the time

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[screech]

IMO it's a "worked shoot" because Ronda wouldn't have said anything unapproved. Maybe they didn't tell Nikki in order to get genuine reaction, but I could see her trying to add a little "spice" to the feud by acting "shoot" upset with the promo.

You're probably right, but I can totally see the brass "pulling a fast one."

[slik]

Yikes at this tweet

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[Nicky Fives]

One of the reasons why Johnny Nitro/Morrison/Impact has heat with WWE..... I never knew this existed until 3 minutes ago....

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[Droford]

Suprusingly relevant in 2018 though

[Droford]

People are gonna be soon pissed when Charlotte vs Becky is in the 1st hour cause Ronda/Nikki is the main event

[Cool King]

In fact, IIRC Vince put all the blame for the show being a disaster on Paul Heyman and fired him almost immediately after the show. Heyman/Vince had clashed about Lashley winning the title at the show as Heyman wanted Punk to leave as champ but Vince was all about pushing Lashley as the face of the ECW brand at the time.

I remember reading about that.

I remember reading that Heyman did want Punk to win but Vince wanted Lashley to win, like you said but I also remember reading that Vince wanted Lashley to have a fifteen or twenty minute celebration in the ring after he won the title but Heyman was dead against it. Heyman also warned Vince and told him that the fans would throw it back in his face if that happened but Vince didn't listen to him and he went ahead with his plans anyway.

After the event, Vince wasn't happy at all with the reception the event got from fans so he blamed Heyman for December To Dismember's failure and the fan's reaction to Lashley's title celebration, so Heyman walked out of the company but remained under contract until Vince fired him.

[Cool King]

I also remember reading that after the event, Tommy Dreamer and Steven Richards both asked to be released from their contracts because of how the event turned out but both Vince and John Laurinaitis refused their requests.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Thought I remember Heyman saying, as a compromise, to let Punk tap out Show, give him a good, long showing while still having Lashley win but giving Punk the rub. Which would've been a much better idea.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Before his announcement, Roman listens to the crowd boo him for the last time, and you can see the exact moment that he realizes... that he is going to miss it. <a href="https://t.co/3bw0GcfiHx">pic.twitter.com/3bw0GcfiHx</a></p>&mdash; Mith Gifs (@MithGifs) <a href="https://twitter.com/MithGifs/status/1055912449377996800?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 26, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A thing that happened on Lucha Underground tonight that you should see. <a href="https://t.co/TcwU83Ue8B">pic.twitter.com/TcwU83Ue8B</a></p>&mdash; luchablog (@luchablog) <a href="https://twitter.com/luchablog/status/1055276229018992640?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 25, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Droford]

That's when wrestling looks dumb as fuck. The two guys in the ring standing around watching him go up. Fucking get out of the ring dumbasses

[Savio]

I read that the Bellas were apparently upset with Ronda's promo, so Nikki will 100p win in 4 minutes via armbar.

What did she say?

[Emperor Smeat]

What did she say?
Apparently she didn't like the stuff involving Cena since she implied a similar thing in a recent interview with the New York Post.

Same person who complained backstage after AJ Lee gave the "Pipebomb 2.0" promo which is why that led to nowhere afterwards and can't stop blabbering about Cena whenever asked about her relationship and Total Divas in public.

Probably why WWE let her do a "worked shoot" on Ronda about her mom as some sort of appeasement.

[Savio]

She should have just screamed "Say it to our faceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee" over the promo.

[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WCW/nWo Revenge is 20 years old today ! <a href="https://t.co/Q83oLjFQj8">https://t.co/Q83oLjFQj8</a> <a href="https://t.co/zBA7FlN567">pic.twitter.com/zBA7FlN567</a></p>&mdash; HBVideoGames (@HBVideoGames) <a href="https://twitter.com/HBVideoGames/status/1055707897336868864?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 26, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Disturbed316]

Great game, then they built on it and made Wrestlemania and No Mercy.

[GD]

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[Droford]

Great game, then they built on it and made Wrestlemania and No Mercy.

No Mercy was better too

[Sixx]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WCW/nWo Revenge is 20 years old today ! <a href="https://t.co/Q83oLjFQj8">https://t.co/Q83oLjFQj8</a> <a href="https://t.co/zBA7FlN567">pic.twitter.com/zBA7FlN567</a></p>&mdash; HBVideoGames (@HBVideoGames) <a href="https://twitter.com/HBVideoGames/status/1055707897336868864?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 26, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Reason I bought a N64.

[Cool King]

She should have just screamed "Say it to our faceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee" over the promo.

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[Tom Guycott]

Pete Dunne, Ciampa, Cedric Alexander, Kendrick, Matt Riddle, Alexander Black/Tommy End are all under contract. Sami Callahan/Solomon Crowe did a stink in NXT. Jushin Liger did a guest spot for a Takeover.

I know that was a typo, but Callahan did stink in NXT. They didn't play to his strengths at all, and I think they attempted to just add bim to the collection.

[BigCrippyZ]

No Mercy was better too

:y:

No Mercy was probably my favorite WWE game, that or SmackDown 2.

[Tom Guycott]

I use to love all that Indy nonsense, in particular, back around 2008-2010 or something I was a huge Chikara fan. But now I just see all these crap and none of it seems funny anymore.

The guy with the super strong penis who keeps flipping people over with it... never laughed once. Think I've lost my smile.

I think at some stage it's natural for wrestling fans, given the stigma associated with wrestling, to say "Of course we know it's not real -- look at how deliberately fake it is." And that gets compounded with so many wrestling tropes being smacked over our heads that anything that subverts it seems "fun." But wrestling is really conflict drama. It has goals (winning and losing) and it should have stakes in order to justify emotional investment.

The thing with all the comedy wrestling is that is completely defeats the point of any of that. I don't think it's impressive to go out there and pretend that the goals and stakes are ludicrous. And I think to non-fans, as opposed to being an obvious edge into to a staged form of entertainment, it's actually as silly as someone trying to do a comedy song but not being able to remotely play an instrument or be able to sing. "Why do you watch this shit? You know it's fake, right?" "Of course I do! Look at that guy swinging people with his penis! They're clearly not trying to fool anyone!" "Yeah, but why do you watch this shit?"

It's got even less of a point than WWE's sports entertainment, and I actually consider it a very self-conscious and self-hating form of wrestling. I'm sure the guys who do it think it is funny, but I can't help but think that they must be deeply insecure to need to overtly discredit any form of irony bribe. It's like they are too scared to actually try. And it's riddled with 15-year-old boy syndrome.


I think the issue is that it has become too much. Like with anything, a lot of it is fun in moderation. A goofy spot or a comedy match should be a palette cleanser. As should a hardcore brawl. As should a match chock full of "flippy shit". Problem is, now the wrestlers on every match of every indy show think all three of those thongs should happen in every match. It's too much, which makes it hokey.

It's why I personally dislike Young Bucks matches... I get the whole rebellion thing works for them, and that's fine, but the "a match isn't good unless it has at least one dive" philosophy makes dives not special. Cramming 800 finishes into a match before it is even halfway done might be ok periodically, but not every. single. match. Even the Joey Ryan dick flip was funny IN CONTEXT of the first time it was done (wrestling a guy who always went for a testicular claw, and having him suggest Ryan not only not sell, but actually reverse it because "American penis so big; so strong"): something that has been long since lost in all the time afterwards spent either having someone like Cornette only see the clip and focus on the spot itself or Joey making his penis into his whole one-dimensional gimmick. It was a time and place thing that was only good a hand full of times (not a pun). Instead, it was run into the ground.

[Vastardikai]

It's why I personally dislike Young Bucks matches... I get the whole rebellion thing works for them, and that's fine, but the "a match isn't good unless it has at least one dive" philosophy makes dives not special. Cramming 800 finishes into a match before it is even halfway done might be ok periodically, but not every. single. match. Even the Joey Ryan dick flip was funny IN CONTEXT of the first time it was done (wrestling a guy who always went for a testicular claw, and having him suggest Ryan not only not sell, but actually reverse it because "American penis so big; so strong"): something that has been long since lost in all the time afterwards spent either having someone like Cornette only see the clip and focus on the spot itself or Joey making his penis into his whole one-dimensional gimmick. It was a time and place thing that was only good a hand full of times (not a pun). Instead, it was run into the ground.

I actually liked the Golden Bucks vs. Mysterio, Fenix, and Bandido match from All-In because it was frantic, fast paced, and short (due to time constraints which happens when you book a show full of people who have never had to bother with keeping things in a certain amount of time). It was the best match the Brothers Jackson were in that I've seen because of those facts. My only complaint was that it should have been the fourth match while keeping the same amount of time it had. Their style is best suited for 6 minute throw everything at the wall kind of matches, but they try to stretch it out and do other shit and it falls flat on its face.

As for Joey Ryan, I have said that one spot was only funny the one time and it had everything to do with it being a counter to Danshoku Dino. I prefer his Chase Stephens bit where he was a typical white meat babyface who just happened to be gay. His whole bit at All In was not worth watching, and I had to explain that to my Dad, who's 75.

[DAMN iNATOR]

Uncaged VI is being released tomorrow and the track listing is as follows:




As you can see, it's an all female track listing (I wonder why?).

The only themes I'm really interesting in are Katie Lea's, Natalya's (but we've already got the full version from the SvR games but it's still a good theme), Beth Phoenix's, Molly Holly's and Ivory's.

I've also noticed that just over half of the themes are from the 05-09 period but you can't really complain as the vast majority of women before 2005 were only given really generic sounding production themes, especially in the late 90's/early 00's, which are only represented by Ivory, Stacy Keibler and Molly Holly. I'm not counting Stephanie's theme there even though it's from 2002, because she's the boss' daughter so obviously she would have been given her very own theme.

I think it's cool that we've been given two themes that were only ever used once, with those being Beth Phoenix and Emma, who by the way, is the only "2010's" theme on the album and yeah Tamina's theme is from 2012 but I can't really recall her using a remix of "Tropical Storm", so I think that may be a completely unused theme all-together. I think maybe she was going to use it but plans were made to pair her up with AJ Lee, so she just began using AJ Lee's theme instead.

I remember reading somewhere that although the Uncaged albums are credited to Jim Johnston, he has never had anything to do with the albums as it's all CFO$ doing. I remember reading that they're given free range to the WWE music library and they select which themes get added to the albums. They are also apparently allowed to change the names of tracks which they did with Viscera's theme from Uncaged III. It's original Jim Johnston title was "Fuck Me" but they changed it to "Gut Punch". I think maybe they've done the same with Molly Holly's theme as its title is simply "Molly Holly". I'm sure its original title was "Virginous", "Virgin" or "Wholesome". Something that was related to her gimmick at the time anyway. "Molly Holly" is kind of a boring and unimaginative title and doesn't really scream that Jim Johnston made it. I think CFO$ may have wanted to change it but couldn't think up of something so they just went with "Molly Holly" because as we've seen with their themes, they are just simply creative Gods.

Layla's early theme "Nasty Girl" was really good. Disappointed to see it not on the list.

[Emperor Smeat]

Besides being upset over Ronda's promo a couple weeks ago, Nikki Bella is now upset that the word "Diva" has a negative stigma to it. Probably because she's currently the most high profile person and symbol from that era and its poor quality left in the WWE.

“I think that’s what hard for the women of that era now because Triple H and that group decided to say it was a bad word. It’s like wait what do you mean? You guys for years taught us to make this an amazing word and that's what we did. We put our blood, sweat and tears into this. And I saw the work that went into that.

It was beautiful. I got to be a part of that bride you said when people wanted to see more of us and that was beautiful. Then when it gets taken away from the Diva era, that hurts me. That’s why I’m back. You think Diva is a bad word? Then I’m going to kick your ass and show you Diva isn’t a bad word.”
https://www.cagesideseats.com/wwe/2018/10/25/18024888/nikki-bella-beat-every-woman-diva-bad-word-wwe-evolution

She's already been public before about being upset that people have a low view of Total Divas and not crediting it with the start of WWE's Women's Revolution instead of NXT. Same for legit thinking it was her match and people wanting to see the Divas brand wrestle more that caused fans to revolt.

Real reason was fans hated how WWE refused to fix their handling of the main roster women and didn't want to see the more talented NXT women suffer the same piss break fate.

[Vastardikai]

There is one person who can be credited with the Women's Revolution. And her last name isn't Bella or McMahon. Also, her first name isn't AJ or Paige.

It was Sara D'Amato. She went from being one of the best women's wrestlers in the world (who Vince didn't hire because she was too "old" and "ugly") to training the girls and her track record is amazing. No Sara, no Women's Revolution. End of story.

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[Mr. Nerfect]

I really wish they'd let Amato have at least one match on WWE television.

[Emperor Smeat]

It was Sara D'Amato. She went from being one of the best women's wrestlers in the world (who Vince didn't hire because she was too "old" and "ugly") to training the girls and her track record is amazing. No Sara, no Women's Revolution. End of story.
Also Johnny Ace considering he was in charge of talent signings at the time. His preference for hiring women was you either had to have glamour magazine beauty or someone he would consider picking up at a bar or strip club for a date afterwards.

No coincidence that once he got fired from the job, the skill level of WWE's hiring of women afterwards started to shoot up in quality. Less preference on Ace's wiener as the judge and more towards having actual wrestling skills or other skills that could be molded into being a good wrestler.