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[Mr. Nerfect]

Just a reminder that Hornswoggle was in the WWE for over twice as long as Eddie Guerrero.

[JimmyMess]

Samoa Joe has the best music. Probably my favourite entrance music at the moment.

[Volare]

YES!!

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[Emperor Smeat]

Apparently Billy Corgan's attempt to buy NWA hit a big snag and all because someone forgot to check to see if NWA trademarks were still active during talks.

Turns out they were not.

Multiple sources have told PWInsider.com that the deal is described as "in jeopardy" due to issues regarding the transfer of the existing copyrights and trademarks for the National Wrestling Alliance.

PWInsider.com research indicates that the copyright and trademark on the brand name lapsed last year with his International Wrestling Corp, LLC applying for it again on March 30th of this year. The trademark has not been officially assigned, theoretically making it impossible for them to be transferred to Corgan.

New twist to this story involves the Patent Office partially suspended the new trademark request by NWA owner Bruce Tharpe due to the application being terrible overall.

Wording of the application managed to infringe on a NWA-like trademark owned by another company(s) and didn't prove the NWA itself was still an active company.

The United States Patent and Trademark Office partially suspended Bruce Tharpe's registration of the National Wrestling Alliance trademark (which was filed for back in March after it expired in December 2016) on 6/4 due to "a likelihood of confusion with a registered mark and under Trademark Act Sections 1 and 45 for failure to show the applied-for mark in use in commerce with any of the specified goods in Class 25. The applicant was also informed that the marks in two pending applications present a potential bar to registration under Section 2(d), if registered. In addition, applicant was required to provide an amended definite identification of goods, provide information relevant to examination under 37 C.F.R. §2.61(b), clarify the mark description, provide clarification regarding the claimed dates of first use, and provide clarification regarding the applicant’s claim of concurrent use."

It appears based on the ruling that the issue at play is related to merchandising of the NWA brand, specifically that the NWA name may come into conflict with other existing applications featuring a similar brand name and that Tharpe, in his application, did not show adequate proof that the brand was currently being used in commerce, i.e. was actually being sold.

Corgan and Tharpe are still in talks for Corgan to purchase NWA rights but at the moment, nobody knows if Corgan can still get the full rights or how much of the deal has to be changed due to these problems.

[GD]

lol Maryse

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[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Just like Miz's first matches she had the liquid shits?

[ClockShot]

New twist to this story involves the Patent Office partially suspended the new trademark request by NWA owner Bruce Tharpe due to the application being terrible overall.

Wording of the application managed to infringe on a NWA-like trademark owned by another company(s) and didn't prove the NWA itself was still an active company.



Corgan and Tharpe are still in talks for Corgan to purchase NWA rights but at the moment, nobody knows if Corgan can still get the full rights or how much of the deal has to be changed due to these problems.

:lol:

Billy can't catch a break.

[Emperor Smeat]

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[Tom Guycott]

Samoa Joe has the best music. Probably my favourite entrance music at the moment.

GET THE FUCK UP! SIMON SAYS GET THE FUCK UP!

[Tom Guycott]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">See, this is why I always just give people cash. <a href="https://t.co/1AzlqVnIyf">pic.twitter.com/1AzlqVnIyf</a></p>&mdash; TDE Wrestling (@totaldivaseps) <a href="https://twitter.com/totaldivaseps/status/871911730812784646">June 6, 2017</a></blockquote>
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The best part about this was the elbow drops...

Remember when Miz had that incredibly forced face turn and he was supposed to be Ric Flair's protigee, even temporarily adopting the Figure Four? He sucked at mimicking him. Shit was awful.

Here? He is spot on being "enraged tantrum" Ric and not even trying. In this moment, his accuracy is higher than Jay Lethal's.

[Emperor Smeat]

Bret Hart's oldest brother, Smith Hart, was recently moved into Hospice care and came to terms with his life ending soon. He's been dealing with prostate cancer for years and got to the point of no longer wanting to deal with the suffering.

http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2017/0606/626887/smith-hart-comments-on-being-moved-to-hospice-care/

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">When i see a police dug I deliberately act pure suspicious hopin to get inspected by Sgt. Good Doggy actual gies a wee cuddle Officer Fluffy</p>&mdash; SUPERNOVA (@NoamDar) <a href="https://twitter.com/NoamDar/status/871110884239839234">June 3, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[Nicky Fives]

Dar strikes me as a very strange egg.... likely a good thing for his chosen profession....

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Dar strikes me as a very strange egg.... likely a good thing for his chosen profession....

He's actually just Scottish

https://www.reddit.com/r/ScottishPeopleTwitter/

[slik]

Good article from Hasney on the homepage #recommended :


http://www.tpww.net/2017/06/wrestlings-viewership-shifts-older-loses-under-18s/

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Good article from Hasney on the homepage #recommended :


http://www.tpww.net/2017/06/wrestlings-viewership-shifts-older-loses-under-18s/

Fanks!

Most effort I've put into a news post to date and it's not in the top 10 most read. Here's number 1 right now:

http://www.tpww.net/2017/06/great-balls-of-fire-logo-is-a-flaming-penis/

[Emperor Smeat]

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[Emperor Smeat]

Apparently Cena recently blamed everyone he's feuded against over the years for why their pushes and/or momentum stopped after their feud with him ends. Also claimed credit for Miz's recent greatness and their Mania feud being interesting.

If you look at my existence in WWE, I have never asked anyone and will never ask anyone to pull any punches. I believe that it’s a ‘Strong Survive’ environment, and accept nothing less. I think people forget my [history] in WWE sometimes and the fact that I truly had to earn every inch. There is this overwhelming perception that I am protected and coddled — that couldn’t be father from the truth.

Every single opponent that I have, if they don’t realize that I give them free range to throw their best punch — and just know that I’m going to punch back — I openly let that be known. I just think it’s something that goes vastly overlooked.

I just believe you bring your best to every story and you bring your best to every fight. And if my skills aren’t as good, then it’s time to step back. It’s just a matter of believing in myself and going out there and speaking from the heart. I believe that sometimes that’s something missing in some of the WWE storylines … being honest and brave enough to put everything out there on the table.

I’ve always done that, and I think the same could be said about multiple storylines with multiple Superstars … and it’s always with me.

This is why I have the reputation of quote-unquote “burying younger talent,” because I will let them do whatever they want with me — and then after they get done, they’re not as motivated. So, it’s not that I sink their ship, it’s that they fail to operate at an elite level. And I’m on to the next person, [to] whom I say, “Hey man, bring your best punch and I’m gonna punch back” — and they don’t take that attitude beyond me.

I take that approach to everyone. The Miz story couldn’t be a better example of that, because when that story started … no one wanted to see that match. No one. I made it a point to have everyone work as hard as they could to change everyone’s mind. And now here you are, months after the fact, saying that was one of the most entertaining things done on television. That just goes to show you that it’s all just about how much you’re willing to invest and how strongly you believe in what you want to do.
http://www.thewrap.com/john-cena-wwe-smackdown-miz-wrestlemania-american-grit/

[Juan]

Read that earlier. Seems a little sanctimonious

[DAMN iNATOR]

He's actually just Scottish

https://www.reddit.com/r/ScottishPeopleTwitter/

I wonder if he celebrates Guy Fawwwwwwwwwwwwwkes Day...

[FakeLaser]

And I'll straight up say it:

If Okada vs. Omega is 6 Stars, Okada vs. Suzuki should be 7. A much better match in terms of psychology, story telling, and drama. Okada comes out looking like a tough son of a bitch. Suzuki comes out, even in defeat, looking like a monster who took the champion to the limit. Gedo even had an amazing role in it, seriously contemplating throwing in the towel.

And with Jim Ross calling it? Holy shit was I invested.
Disagree. Was some Super Cena type shit.

[drave]

Re: that Cena interview.....

But what about Sandow? He was fucked after having an amazing match on RAW.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

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[GD]

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[Volare]

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[Gerard]

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Austin tells some great stories. :lol:

[Maluco]

Apparently Cena recently blamed everyone he's feuded against over the years for why their pushes and/or momentum stopped after their feud with him ends. Also claimed credit for Miz's recent greatness and their Mania feud being interesting.


http://www.thewrap.com/john-cena-wwe-smackdown-miz-wrestlemania-american-grit/

Everything bar the last paragraph doesn't even make any sense. Just words and him babbling because he doesn't know what to say.

Last paragraph makes sense reading it, but I think everyone who watched knows who worked the hardest to make that interesting.

[Volare]

This belongs here.

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[Emperor Smeat]

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[Lock Jaw]

Woo! Physics!

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Watch the full match. It's so goddamn good.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I dunno, I read that Cena interview as "The Miz stepped up his game and that's why that program got as hot as it did heading into WrestleMania and why The Miz is still relevant."

[RP]

I didnt know Big Cass and Carmella were together.

[RP]

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This one actually made me shit a little from laughing.

[Emperor Smeat]

I didnt know Big Cass and Carmella were together.
They've been dating since their NXT days.

When the draft happened and every other couple baring Del Rio and Paige got to stay together, was speculated around the net Big Cass and Carmella probably were split because of a petty WWE/Vince reason. Turns out Carmella actually asked to be on a different brand to prove she could succeed without Enzo and Cass.

[RP]

How much money do you think the Young Bucks make in the Indies after everything adds up like main payment and merchandise.

[Emperor Smeat]

Probably somewhere in the high six figures range. So like upper card range but not main event range in the WWE since that is in the millions.

They've teased and hinted for years about making a lot more money in the indies than what the WWE would offer or be willing to offer.

[GD]

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[Nicky Fives]

Probably somewhere in the high six figures range. So like upper card range but not main event range in the WWE since that is in the millions.

They've teased and hinted for years about making a lot more money in the indies than what the WWE would offer or be willing to offer.

I highly doubt they make in the upper 6 figures....

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I think Japan pays alright tho

[Volare]

Talk n Shop back on TIJ, hell yes. Need something good for my Friday since I can't sleep for shit.

[GD]

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[Tom Guycott]

How much money do you think the Young Bucks make in the Indies after everything adds up like main payment and merchandise.

Probably somewhere in the high six figures range. So like upper card range but not main event range in the WWE since that is in the millions.

They've teased and hinted for years about making a lot more money in the indies than what the WWE would offer or be willing to offer.

I highly doubt they make in the upper 6 figures....

Actually, I can see this happening.

As much as I generally dislike Young Bucks matches (the cramming 800 things and none of it meaning shit aspect), the fact is that they got very over being the biggest trolls in professional wrestling. The ultimate cool heels. They carved their niche, especially off rhe backs of the "anti-Cornette" crowd. They're talented fuckers who make a decent living in Japan, still get booked all over the world, and have Bullet Club and Elite money coming in, plus endorsement deal shit and other possible perks. They are in an unenviable position of not really needing the Vince machine behind them when they have their own.

[GD]

Talk n Shop back on TIJ, hell yes. Need something good for my Friday since I can't sleep for shit.

This better be good.

[Nicky Fives]

I think Japan pays alright tho

There's a big difference between "paying alright" and near $1 million.....

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

There's a big difference between "paying alright" and near $1 million.....

They probably make a lot more than you think but then also they get paid great by ROH who needs the bucks and all of their other indy gigs and merch. They appeal to a crowd thatll spend on them which are wrestling hipsters

[GD]

Find Jericho's mid pod commercials.

[GD]

Is it common knowledge that Jinder Mahal's Punjabi is really bad? Well, not as bad as when Asuka and Khali speak English. Really takes me out of his promos.

[XL]

Actually, I can see this happening.

As much as I generally dislike Young Bucks matches (the cramming 800 things and none of it meaning shit aspect), the fact is that they got very over being the biggest trolls in professional wrestling. The ultimate cool heels. They carved their niche, especially off rhe backs of the "anti-Cornette" crowd. They're talented fuckers who make a decent living in Japan, still get booked all over the world, and have Bullet Club and Elite money coming in, plus endorsement deal shit and other possible perks. They are in an unenviable position of not really needing the Vince machine behind them when they have their own.

Why is not needing WWE unenviable?

[Volare]

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[Gerard]

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LOL, this is brilliant. :rofl::rofl:

[Mr. Nerfect]

I highly doubt they make in the upper 6 figures....

Yeah, I'm not buying that either. My dislike for them aside, I accept that they make a sustainable living off their geek shows. I think New Japan would pay them four digits per match, but there's no way they are making as much money as AJ Styles was with them. Over the past year they wrestled for New Japan 22 times. So New Japan would be paying them <$176,000. This is pure speculation on my part, but I don't imagine them paying The Bucks -- who are sizzle more than steak for their shows -- more than $2,500 per match. Even that seems steep. But I'll give them that, which takes their annual New Japan cheque up to $55,000. Not bad.

My gut tells me that ROH probably gives them a downside guarantee of $60,000 or something. I have no evidence of this, but just given the lack of funding they really seem to put into things, I sincerely doubt they are keeping The Bucks employed for $500,000 or anything. Jesus. For dudes who are trying to make a living off basically what corporate types would consider low-rent acting or stunt work, $60,000 downside is fucking generous.

That takes them up to about $115,000 with their New Japan/ROH work. I'm not sure if they get a cut of buys and that sort of thing. But when you figure in a bit of merch, and I'm sure they move a couple of hundred Bullet Club shirts, and they probably charge PWG, CHIKARA and other indies a few thousand per appearance. They're treated like bigger stars there than they are in Japan, and the appearances are more sporadic. I can see them charging $3,000 per appearance. They did 11 of those in the past year. That's an additional $33,000, taking them up to $148,000. I doubt they make more than 5% of that on merchandise. Do The Bucks even have their own merchandise, or do they just pimp Bullet Club shirts for New Japan?

I think $155,400 before Irwin R. Shyster comes a-calling is a generous estimation. That's honestly almost double what my gut wanted to guess (I was thinking in the $80,000-$100,000 range), and more than double what they are worth.

Keep in mind that The Bucks are always bragging about how much money they earn in conjunction with their brags to creative freedom. In artists' terms, that usually just means they're not starving. $150,000 is not bad money by any stretch, and I doubt that the WWE would offer two scrawny kids set to be a tag team act that much money out the gate. Given their stature in independent wrestling and how they'd probably just want to polish off certain things about them, I can imagine developmental offers were probably in the $60,000 range. They could probably work their way up to what they make in Japan and the indies very quickly in the WWE, but keep in mind that is weighed against what they perceive as their freedom. They put capital on that, so $150,000 and freedom > $200,000 and being chained to the man. 50% of their t-shirt sales totaling $10,000 > 5% of their t-shirt sales totaling $10,000. That sort of thing.

But anyway, if The Young Bucks made over $500,000 each, that means that they would get paid over $6,000 each per match. That's $12,000 to book The Young Bucks for one match. If tickets for a PWG show are $65 p/head, then the overall gate is going to be $32,500. That means The Bucks would make about a third of a show's gate for their appearance. That just doesn't add up. Truth be told, my earlier estimation of them making $3,000 each is probably a gross overestimation, because that means that The Bucks are still making over 1/6 of the gate.

I think The Bucks gloat because they have a weekly paycheck from ROH for over $1,000, which covers their living expenses, and they are basically guaranteed garnishing from Japan and the independents.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It honestly wouldn't surprise me if The Bucks didn't crack $100,000. Especially when you factor in tax, etc. If AJ Styles got paid $8,000 per appearance with New Japan, I'd put The Bucks, as a collective, at definitely half as valuable as that. It's the contrast between headliner and opening act. I gave The Bucks $5,000 total, but it wouldn't surprise me if they made less: $2,000 each, or $44,000 a year. It wouldn't surprise me if ROH paid less too. $60,000 might be a bit steep. Developmental deals are usually about $25,000 aren't they? They'd pay The Bucks more than that, but can you imagine them getting something like three times that? These dudes have to shower with the other guys. I'm sort of imagining that the ROH deal they were offered was somewhat in lieu with WWE offers. Honestly, $40,000 from ROH might be more accurate. That's $84,000 from New Japan/ROH, and that is where the bulk of their money would come from. Looking at that as their sort of annual pay, it explains why they are so cocky knocking back $40,000 developmental offers from the WWE -- they are earning twice as much without them, but probably not quite as much as Xavier Woods, who doesn't get, statistically, as big a slice of his merchandise as The Bucks do, despite Woods no doubt selling more.

[mike adamle]

No one's gonna read all that

[mike adamle]

I will say that Kevin Owens has said that at the height of his popularity in the indy's he was "living well but definatley not rich." Young Bucks probably make around $100,000 a year, MAYBE $200,000 but I think that's def pushing it.

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[SlickyTrickyDamon]

They also get cuts of that Bullet Club shirt money from PWT.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah, but I bet they aren't making $900,000 off that.

[Emperor Smeat]

Could see it be somewhere between $500k-$800k mainly because they work for at least 3 big to semi-big indie promotions, plus special appearances for others, plus a cut of Bullet Club and other merch, plus their own shirt store at Prowrestlingtees website.

When they signed a new deal with ROH and NJPW, it was stated they were getting pay raises from whatever they were currently making just from those 2 places.

Matt Jackson posted a video of him and his brother Nick Jackson signing their ROH and NJPW contracts. The deal is a two-year deal that will see pay increases in both 2017 and 2018. Their schedule will be similar to the schedule they are currently working.

According to F4WOnline, the deal is exclusive for US and Japan, but are able to schedule bookings elsewhere. The Young Bucks will also be allowed to participate at PWG events.

If their pay was actually low, they would have jumped to the WWE years ago. Bucks stated several times about they get paid more in the indies and get to travel less than what would be the case in the WWE.

NJPW supposedly also pays established indie names pretty well overall considering WWE had to spend over $1 million to nab Balor although that also included buying out his sponsorship deal(s).

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don't think $150,000 is low.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Is Brock Lesnar's contract still up after WrestleMania next year? I had this musing on the possibility that Brock Lesnar, Bryan Danielson and CM Punk could all potentially end up in New Japan by the end of 2018. It's very unlikely, but not impossible.

[Emperor Smeat]

For someone of their demand and status in the indies, that would be really low especially if it was spread across 3 companies (NJPW, ROH, PWG) plus any other bookings and merch stuff.

That would be around low card but probably not jobber tier for yearly amount in the WWE based on rumors and reports about WWE contracts.


Is Brock Lesnar's contract still up after WrestleMania next year? I had this musing on the possibility that Brock Lesnar, Bryan Danielson and CM Punk could all potentially end up in New Japan by the end of 2018. It's very unlikely, but not impossible.
Yes and very likely he's gone afterwards based on recent reports. Just way too much money for the WWE to keep committing to a part-timer.

[#1-norm-fan]

Sounds like Billy Corgan needs to pony up all that Smashing Pumpkin money and throw it at Lesnar, Bryan and Punk. If there was ever a way to compete with WWE...

[Mr. Nerfect]

I really want The Rock to start his own wrestling promotion. I've got no clue why he would do it, but it would make me mark out.

[Bad News Gertner]

I don't think $150,000 is low.

Karl Anderson was making 750,000 in like 2012

[GD]

DOUBLE TRIPLE POWERBOMB!

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[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Scott Hall looking great.

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[#BROKEN Hasney]

Scott Hall looking great.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBrD5_TXcAA8rMy.jpg:large

Like, from all the stories about DDP, we'd know that he would have helped Scott Hall and Jake anyway, but goddamn if they;re not the biggest adverts for DDP Yoga he could possibly ever need. We know the before and afters are totally legit.

[Nicky Fives]

Could see it be somewhere between $500k-$800k mainly because they work for at least 3 big to semi-big indie promotions, plus special appearances for others, plus a cut of Bullet Club and other merch, plus their own shirt store at Prowrestlingtees website.

When they signed a new deal with ROH and NJPW, it was stated they were getting pay raises from whatever they were currently making just from those 2 places.



If their pay was actually low, they would have jumped to the WWE years ago. Bucks stated several times about they get paid more in the indies and get to travel less than what would be the case in the WWE.

NJPW supposedly also pays established indie names pretty well overall considering WWE had to spend over $1 million to nab Balor although that also included buying out his sponsorship deal(s).

They're also a tag team.... They might be lucky to get $500K combined.

[mike adamle]

I will say that Kevin Owens has said that at the height of his popularity in the indy's he was "living well but definatley not rich." Young Bucks probably make around $100,000 a year, MAYBE $200,000 but I think that's def pushing it.

BTW for clarification this number is per Buck not for both combined.

[Lock Jaw]

That can't really be Scott Hall......

[Bad News Gertner]

Can't wait for the Duggan and Sean Mooney podcast coming out. Duggan is a trip and is probably one of the most honest wrestlers around. Sean Mooney should have some interesting production stories too

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

That can't really be Scott Hall......

Was on his twitter feed

[Lock Jaw]

I could post a headless torso on my twitter feed and claim it was me too

[Mr. Nerfect]

If that is Scott Hall -- good for him. I wonder if he sent it to Paige? Him versus El Patron at Lockdown.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Karl Anderson was making 750,000 in like 2012

That's interesting. Would you say that Anderson had, overall, more significance in Japan though? Do you they put emphasis on the junior tag teams or their heavyweight tag team guys? I know the heavyweight division was stale to American audiences, but how do the Japanese grade pay? It seems like it would be a lot more hierarchical.

I read somewhere that a few years ago, Tanahashi was making $800,000 a year. I'm sure it's crept up into the millions now (I think Okada is signed for $2.2 mil), but I just can't see them forking out $1.5 for The Young Bucks, total.

[Shadrick]

Noid!!!!!!

[Gerard]

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Does Vince say "fuck" at the rude awakening around the 50 second mark? Looked like a badly taken one to say the least.

[Emperor Smeat]

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[Bad News Gertner]

POLISH POWER!!!

[Emperor Smeat]

Dalton Castle signed a new deal to stay in ROH.

Over the last month, Dave Scherer and I have talked about what a big loss Castle would be if the company lost him in recent weeks in the Elite section in the We Don't Need No Stinkin' Name Show.

This morning in my Q&A feature, I responded to a question about Dalton Castle not being utilized in a top position in Ring of Honor and noted that his current deal was expiring this month and he had yet to come to terms with the company on a new contract.

Since that Q&A was posted, we've had several sources reach out to inform us that Castle came to terms with the company and signed a new ROH deal within the last several days. So, Castle is locked in going forward.

[Volare]

You can watch it, or just skip to 2:00......you're welcome ;)


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[Mr. Nerfect]

Good for Dalton. I know a lot of people want to see him in the WWE, but look at how they've treated Fandango and Tyler Breeze. Look at how they've treated American Alpha. Castle is sort of like between them. I think he's probably better off waiting a few more years, getting better and better, and then trying his luck with WWE again when he has more capital.

[GD]

You can watch it, or just skip to 2:00......you're welcome ;)


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Wow! This is cute. Super cute.

[Evil Vito]

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Ten years ago today the current President of the United States thought Vince McMahon died in a limo explosion.

[Emperor Smeat]

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[Lock Jaw]

Dang..... no video clip I can find of that...... in all of my less than a minute of searching........

[RP]

You can watch it, or just skip to 2:00......you're welcome ;)


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jacked off and shot it in my face.

[Lock Jaw]

Ok there, Xero

[Tom Guycott]

Why is not needing WWE unenviable?

It's actually not. I just fucked up and used the wrong word and didn't proofread to catch that. Since this was a couple of days ago, I don't remember what I actually meant to say.

[Tom Guycott]

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LOL, this is brilliant. :rofl::rofl:

This remains one of my favorite wrestling podcasts in the history of wrestling podcasts (I'm not assed to look up that Schiavone pic right now).

But seriously, this story is up there with the "rivalry" Talk Is Jericho between Cody (Rhodes) and Xavier Woods.

[Tom Guycott]

Sounds like Billy Corgan needs to pony up all that Smashing Pumpkin money and throw it at Lesnar, Bryan and Punk. If there was ever a way to compete with WWE...

I really want The Rock to start his own wrestling promotion. I've got no clue why he would do it, but it would make me mark out.

... why not both? A joint venture on a start-up. And if they don't come up with a TV deal, they could go the WCPW internet route. It's not like nobody would pay attention if Billy and Rocky joined forces.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Get Wale and Rick Ruben in too.

[Bad News Gertner]

Hey this is your friendly neighborhood Bad News Gertner reminding you that it's Spammy season, so head over to the Spammy Thread and throw a vote at Bad News Gertner for Best Poster.

http://www.tpwwforums.com/showthread.php?t=133512

In my opinion, you are all best posters.

[Big Vic]

They've been dating since their NXT days.

When the draft happened and every other couple baring Del Rio and Paige got to stay together, was speculated around the net Big Cass and Carmella probably were split because of a petty WWE/Vince reason. Turns out Carmella actually asked to be on a different brand to prove she could succeed without Enzo and Cass.

She just wanted Hogsworth

[#1-norm-fan]

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Heel heat aplenty.

[Big Vic]

Kinda wish Ryback toughed it out a few more months in WWE probably would have gotten a good push on SDL

[Rammsteinmad]

I wanna see John Morrison back in the WWE so badly.

[Cool King]

I've been practically dead for the past ten days and I've not watched anything WWE related since the SmackDown before Extreme Rules.

I really can't be arsed watching everything to get up to date, so can some kind soul give me a summary of what's happened since the SmackDown before Extreme Rules?

[XL]

But I enjoy reading your reviews.

[Cool King]

Well, I think it's going to be impossible for me to get a hold of last weeks Raw & SmackDown online anyway, as I'm sure the WWE will have claimed copyright on it all by now.

[Big Vic]

Samoa Joe is the #1 contender and he beat Seth Rollins the next night.

Bray Wyatt continues to be a jobber.

Randy Orton keeps saying "My father said back in his day people like Jinder wouldn't make this far" and other borderline racist stuff.

Dolph and AJ are experiencing 50/50 booking.

[XL]

Raw
Part 1: http://prowrestlingtalk.org/video/nrdMDwF5.html
Part 2: http://prowrestlingtalk.org/video/jnjsF4bm.html
Part 3: http://prowrestlingtalk.org/video/7Pchj7vc.html

SDL
Part 1: http://prowrestlingtalk.org/video/VNTXmYVE.html
Part 2: http://prowrestlingtalk.org/video/tTTmsGNr.html

[Rammsteinmad]

I can't fathom what it must be like in 2017 to miss an episode of Raw and Smackdown and care enough to ask what I missed. :(

[Emperor Smeat]

According to PWTorch, rift between Triple H and Vince has grown backstage at least in regards to Creative stuff.

Triple H is frustrated because all the work being done to help develop and build people on NXT gets wasted once Vince becomes involved. PWTorch mentioned Bayley, Sasha, and the Cruisers as people Triple H is frsutarted the most with how poor the booking transition has been.

In terms of Bayley, WWE is going to give her a small character reset because of how badly her booking has been on the main roster.

[Emperor Smeat]

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[DAMN iNATOR]

FBOwoNEBt0E

[GD]

Did anyone watch the NJPW Dominion show? I've been hearing a lot about Okada and Omega's bout.

[Emperor Smeat]

Was really good overall. Maybe even better than Wrestle Kingdom 11 as a whole.

[Fignuts]

Only saw okada vs omega. Amazing match. Want to get nj world again, but fuck, they need an app on xbox and ps4. You can't use the console browsers.

[GD]

Nice. Might find some alternative means to watch the event online.

[Emperor Smeat]

Only saw okada vs omega. Amazing match. Want to get nj world again, but fuck, they need an app on xbox and ps4. You can't use the console browsers.

Not sure if there was a reason for no Xbox app but supposedly Sony said no when asked for Japanese wrestling apps on PS4.

[GD]

Not sure if there was a reason for no Xbox app but supposedly Sony said no when asked for Japanese wrestling apps on PS4.

I guess that can be attributed to the difference in content consumption. Japan is very unique when it comes to advertising and web design principles. What works here, may not work in their culture.

http://www.nicovideo.jp
http://www.rakuten.co.jp
https://www.goo.ne.jp
https://okwave.jp
https://www.yahoo.co.jp

[Mr. Nerfect]

I wanna see John Morrison back in the WWE so badly.

Oh god, this.

[Volare]

Nice little shot at the end.

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[Mr. Nerfect]

Miz vs. Morrison would be such a grand IC Title program around WrestleMania time.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

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[Blonde Moment]

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[Blonde Moment]

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[GD]

I find them to be very amusing. Thanks for sharing, Fastway :y:

[GD]

Remember when reigning WWE Champion, Hulk Hogan put over the IWGP Heavyweight Championship as the most important title in the world?

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[Rammsteinmad]

So apparently this weeks Raw scored the lowest ratings this year. Could it be that maybe Brock Lesnar just isn't the super draw that he use to be? Or will all the blame for this be placed on Samoa Joe?

[Rammsteinmad]

The correct answer is: who cares about the ratings?

Just feeling cynical.

[Dark One]

So apparently this weeks Raw scored the lowest ratings this year. Could it be that maybe Brock Lesnar just isn't the super draw that he use to be? Or will all the blame for this be placed on Samoa Joe?

In regards to Joe/Lesnar: I would be less concerned with the overall rating given that the whole crux of the show was in the first ten minutes and then the next three hours was like someone dissecting a septic tank on live TV.

[GD]

So apparently this weeks Raw scored the lowest ratings this year. Could it be that maybe Brock Lesnar just isn't the super draw that he use to be? Or will all the blame for this be placed on Samoa Joe?

The correct answer is: who cares about the ratings?

Just feeling cynical.

There's only one solution.

http://www.f4wonline.com/sites/www.f4wonline.com/files/field/image/cenafreeagent.jpg

[Emperor Smeat]

So apparently this weeks Raw scored the lowest ratings this year. Could it be that maybe Brock Lesnar just isn't the super draw that he use to be? Or will all the blame for this be placed on Samoa Joe?

Lesnar might have been the reason why it wasn't the lowest ever though because the 3rd hour killed the show.

Then again like Dark One said, RAW was pretty much downhill after the Joe/Lesnar segment.

[Emperor Smeat]

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[drave]

Haha! So good. NJPW is entertaining.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Remember when reigning WWE Champion, Hulk Hogan put over the IWGP Heavyweight Championship as the most important title in the world?

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Weird. As Hogan is saying "I want to make sure my career ends in Japan," you can see how disingenuous he is.

[Mr. Nerfect]

So apparently this weeks Raw scored the lowest ratings this year. Could it be that maybe Brock Lesnar just isn't the super draw that he use to be? Or will all the blame for this be placed on Samoa Joe?

I wouldn't blame either. They got them out there in the first segment. And who watches wrestling these days, anyway?

[Mr. Nerfect]

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Isn't the point of a short-arm clothesline to trap your opponent so they can't avoid the close-range impact? So what Okada does is just lightly hold his opponent's hand, and what they do is stand up for the Rainmaker on their own merit?

[drave]

Wrestling is not real.

[Lock Jaw]

! !

[Mr. Nerfect]

Wrestling is not real.

This philosophy is what I call "geeks ruining wrestling for the nerds."

[drave]

I'm a life long wrestling nerd, no question. However, I can also appreciate what those two put on, the semi-comedic nature of Omega at times and just "lol" at that lil moment.

Nearly every hold, even the basic "collar and elbow" lockup is done with a very light touch.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I just think it's a dumb spot that falls apart if you think about it. Like, suspension of disbelief aside, I can even explain the psychology of things like the Red Arrow. I just don't get why Okada touches the wrist of his opponent if the beat-down he had put on them previously would cause them to collapse if it were good enough. It just eats itself and it's dumb and annoying, because Okada is so good. But I know a child would watch that and say "that's fake" and tune out, because their fandom hasn't been embedded yet.

I swear wrestling is the only form of storytelling where the performers of it hate that they are doing it and need to point it out to the crowd. It'd be like an actor going "I'm acting everybody! I'm just an actor! I'm playing a character!" We get it. We know. Why are you so insecure that you need us to know that you know? Or is it because fans are so insecure that we need to know that you know that we know? It's just so insecure. And that everyone is so insecure is why we don't have any real stars coming up -- because everybody is so neurotic and secretly hates themselves, and that there is no star is the big problem with wrestling as a whole.

I can't believe people can't see how this is all connected. I want NJPW to succeed so badly, and I'm glad that it endears itself to the the internet fans, because they are going to be crucial to floating it in the US and beyond, but if that shit happens in the main event then I might just have to switch off. That's the one spot I've seen shared from that match, and it just feels bad to me. Why do people like bad stuff? Bad stuff is bad. It's the "Broken" Matt Hardy stuff all over again. Shit things don't become good by winking.

I don't even think this was supposed to be bad. I guess they're trying to sell exhaustion? Okada is so tired that he forgot to hold onto Omega's wrist? Maybe Omega was supposed to break out more strongly and he just sucks at the psychology element of pro-wrestling? I'm sure it doesn't ruin the whole match, don't get me wrong, but it just highlights to me how full of shit anyone who says "Kenny Omega is the best wrestler in the world" is. It's like he starts playing a good song on the piano and then he just starts slamming his hands on the keys to "lol" people.

[Mr. Nerfect]

So many wrestlers are like disruptive high-school kids undergoing adolescence and acting out against teacher because they think it's cool and will make girls like them. That's like the "indy spirit."

[Fignuts]

Its not bad. Everyones suspension of disbelief is a little different. There are people who probably thing the red arrow is retarded from a realistic standpoint, no matter what you say to explain it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think we're moving into a post-fact realm here, and I can't really engage in that sphere.

[Fignuts]

Noid, I could write an essay if I wanted to on things that are far more ridiculous than that spot. Things that you probably didn't even blink at, but for some reason this has you triggered.

I just don't get why Okada touches the wrist of his opponent if the beat-down he had put on them previously would cause them to collapse if it were good enough."


How is he supposed to just know it was good enough. Last match Omega ate 3-4 rainmakers. Your logic assumes okada knew omega would collapse from the beatdown.

[Fignuts]

You got giddy earlier about john morrison coming back, but I don't see you attacking the fact that a guy capable performing incredible acrobatic and aerial feats, finishes people with a move that kills his momentum a few feet before he lands, and has less impact than anything else he does.

Most people don't think about that. Because it looks cool.

[Black Widow]

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Wonder Woman/Universal title crossover.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Noid, I could write an essay if I wanted to on things that are far more ridiculous than that spot. Things that you probably didn't even blink at, but for some reason this has you triggered.



How is he supposed to just know it was good enough. Last match Omega ate 3-4 rainmakers. Your logic assumes okada knew omega would collapse from the beatdown.

Of course there are things that are more ridiculous than it. That doesn't mean it isn't ridiculous. I'm sure there are ridiculous things I don't blink at, but the ones that do register as ridiculous are still ridiculous and take you out of a match. That's a ridiculous point to make, lol.

He's going for his finisher. If he hasn't beaten down his opponent to the point where they are about to be finished, then why is he going for his finisher? Why does he touch their arm if he's not pulling them into the move? It's dumb. It's not the dumbest thing I have ever seen, but it's still dumb.

[Mr. Nerfect]

You got giddy earlier about john morrison coming back, but I don't see you attacking the fact that a guy capable performing incredible acrobatic and aerial feats, finishes people with a move that kills his momentum a few feet before he lands, and has less impact than anything else he does.

Most people don't think about that. Because it looks cool.

I actually don't like the Starship Pain, but acrobatics like that in wrestling don't annoy me as much, because I can buy that an arrogant heel would do something like that to embarrass his opponent. It's just like The Rock's theatrics before the People's Elbow. For a babyface, moves like that do look cool, and they become something of a stamp for that wrestler. You could always logically just come off with an elbow and monitor your opponent's position a bit more, but if you've assumed that you've put them in a position where you've gotten them relatively discombobulated, it makes sense to finish them off with emphasis so that you can increase your fanbase/make a statement.

It can still be silly. If you've got your opponent beaten, you should go for the win, sure. But what I can't stand is the obvious co-operation stuff. The "I will run into position for this because I want you to hit me" stuff. This falls into that category for me. What it implies is that every wrestler that gets hit with the Rainmaker wants to be hit with it. Otherwise they would have surely flopped to the ground too, since Okada doesn't actually pull you into the move. Surely you can understand my gripe with that?

[Fignuts]

Well I make that point because if that takes you out of a match, then how does every other ridiculous thing in wrestling not take you out of the match? Because almost all of it is ridiculous.

Why does any wrestler go for a finisher if they have them beaten down to where they are about to be finished?

Okada was just as exausted and just didn't have the strength to yank him forward hard enough.

[GD]

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[GD]

Oh my FUCKING GOD! Jinder Mahal's Punjabi is insufferable.

[Fignuts]

I actually don't like the Starship Pain, but acrobatics like that in wrestling don't annoy me as much, because I can buy that an arrogant heel would do something like that to embarrass his opponent. It's just like The Rock's theatrics before the People's Elbow. For a babyface, moves like that do look cool, and they become something of a stamp for that wrestler. You could always logically just come off with an elbow and monitor your opponent's position a bit more, but if you've assumed that you've put them in a position where you've gotten them relatively discombobulated, it makes sense to finish them off with emphasis so that you can increase your fanbase/make a statement.

It can still be silly. If you've got your opponent beaten, you should go for the win, sure. But what I can't stand is the obvious co-operation stuff. The "I will run into position for this because I want you to hit me" stuff. This falls into that category for me. What it implies is that every wrestler that gets hit with the Rainmaker wants to be hit with it. Otherwise they would have surely flopped to the ground too, since Okada doesn't actually pull you into the move. Surely you can understand my gripe with that?

All power moves fall into that category, as you can visisbly see the victim cooperating to be more easily lifted. Any irish whip move requires the victim to cooperate because logically you don't have to run in a straight line, or you could just, ya know, stop running.

I don't look at how believeable stuff is, because to me at least, its not about that. If I wanted to see something believable, I'd watch matches from the 20s where they put each other in front facelocks for 8 hours. To me its about the overall story they tell in the match. (and this is what I tell non wrestling fans when they ask me why I watch it knowing its fake) Its about people telling a story, using just body language, facial expressions, and feats of athleticism. Individual moves and spots don't have to be believable, as long as I'm enjoying the story. I'm not going to get out my microscope and dissect a spot that logically doesnt make sense, when it followed a dozen other things including common manuevers that make just as little sense when thought about.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Maybe he won't be over as they think he will be in India

[Mr. Nerfect]

Well I make that point because if that takes you out of a match, then how does every other ridiculous thing in wrestling not take you out of the match? Because almost all of it is ridiculous.

Why does any wrestler go for a finisher if they have them beaten down to where they are about to be finished?

Okada was just as exausted and just didn't have the strength to yank him forward hard enough.

That's a better attempt to explain it. It's still goofy lol. You could also hypothesize that Okada overestimated the gas Omega had left in the tank and threw himself into the clothesline because he expected Omega to be in strong style mode. I can actually almost trick myself into liking it if I use it to tell the story of Okada for actually thinking so highly of Omega he overestimated him, but that means Omega is dumb for not being as good as Okada thought. And Okada looks dumb for taking the dive. I don't think it's the best way to tell that story, but you guys seem to like it though, so maybe I am in the minority of the dwindling wrestling fans.

[Mr. Nerfect]

See, I like how someone tells a story. Sometimes I think you can tell a great story in a really bad way. Everything is really Shakespeare, but not everything is good Shakespeare. I'm fine with rules being broken, but I get more annoyed when I get the impression that someone doesn't understand why that rule is there in the first place. You have to know them to break them properly, as it is in any art form. Wrestling is full of silly rules, you are completely right, but if you just stop and shrug off an Irish whip, I don't particularly get the point of it, because it just exposes how silly it all is. Sometimes things just get too cute and winky and it annoys me. I think wrestling being silly is more of a reason to not draw attention to silly things, not less.

[Fignuts]

Honestly Noid, Dick Beyer is one of the greatest masters of psycology in the history of the business, but if you thought about his matches as much as you're thinking about this spot, you could verbally destroy them.

What I'm saying is, maybe hit a blunt and chill your brain before you watch any wrestling. Because its clearly working overtime on something that really doesn't warrant it.

[Fignuts]

That's a better attempt to explain it. It's still goofy lol. You could also hypothesize that Okada overestimated the gas Omega had left in the tank and threw himself into the clothesline because he expected Omega to be in strong style mode. I can actually almost trick myself into liking it if I use it to tell the story of Okada for actually thinking so highly of Omega he overestimated him, but that means Omega is dumb for not being as good as Okada thought. And Okada looks dumb for taking the dive. I don't think it's the best way to tell that story, but you guys seem to like it though, so maybe I am in the minority of the dwindling wrestling fans.

Okada did go flying across the ring when he missed, so there you go.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Maybe he won't be over as they think he will be in India

Isn't there a movement in India where if you aren't Hindi then they don't even count you as Indian? Isn't Mahal like Punjabi Sikh or something? And isn't each region of India radically different from the other ones?

I've only got a limited understand of India through family and friends -- I should really know more about it -- but I've always felt the whole "any Indian will do" idea that the WWE has to be kind of racist -- in a tokenism sort of way. I'd personally feel condescended if the WWE tried to tell me that Jinder Mahal was my national champion. If they put the belt on Buddy Murphy and tried to tell me that he represents all Australians, I'd rightly tell them to fuck off.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Honestly Noid, Dick Beyer is one of the greatest masters of psycology in the history of the business, but if you thought about his matches as much as you're thinking about this spot, you could verbally destroy them.

What I'm saying is, maybe hit a blunt and chill your brain before you watch any wrestling. Because its clearly working overtime on something that really doesn't warrant it.

I think what bothers me about it is that it is heralded as great. I liked the first Omega/Okada -- it was a solid **** match to me (I hate rating things, but there you go). I think that even if you consider something flawless (which it can't be, even by fans' own admissions that the second match might have been even better), you need to give things time to breathe to determine that lasting legacy as to whether or not it is truly a ***** match. Austin/Bret you can probably do that with, because it was 20 years ago and we know what it did to Austin's career, etc.

I haven't seen the second match yet, but this sort of buzz around "Look at Omega fall down instead of taking the move he is being set up for" makes me want to not. I'm cool with things being flawed and people making mistakes and bad choices. Daniel Bryan has made mistakes in the ring. Whatever, it's cool. It's just the buzz around some of these annoying choices that puts me off.

It may not have even rubbed me the wrong way if it weren't shared as a gif for the yucks, honestly, but if that's the spot used as a teaser for the match, which I'm sure is great, then it actually puts me off.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I was just reminiscing on Shane Douglas (for some reason), and the idea to look up his finisher came to me. I was wondering if it could be used in a more stylized way as sort of a modified inverted stunner -- like how Austin's Stunner was different from a regular jawbreaker.

Anyway, the point is -- be careful when you look up "Shane Douglas Bareback" on Google Images.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Also sad is what the suggestion menu says when you just type in "Shane Douglas." :(

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Isn't the point of a short-arm clothesline to trap your opponent so they can't avoid the close-range impact? So what Okada does is just lightly hold his opponent's hand, and what they do is stand up for the Rainmaker on their own merit?

They'd been going for 50 minutes and Okada was clearly most interested in giving the biggest impact, so all his remaining energy is pulling him towards on the left side and pushing forward on the right hand clothesline, so Omega could drop. In the context of the match, it is an amazing visual.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I like that explanation, Hasney.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Still think it's a bit weak, but I will allow it to stand on its merits with applied context. This is why meme culture can be negative -- it's removed the context.

I think I'm going to redirect my WWE Network money towards New Japan. I want to support an alternative company.

[Mr. Nerfect]

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Fuck I hated that match, haha. I get to the point of the double handspring and I check out.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

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[Vastardikai]

Fuck I hated that match, haha. I get to the point of the double handspring and I check out.

It is the fireworks match to end all fireworks matches. All that oohing and aahing and at the end I'm done with it.

There is a guy around my part who wrestles under the name White Mike. He came off as a low rent Joey Ryan. No dick spots (thank god, I think that well is dry by now), but plenty of intentionally missed spots. Like opponent is 3/4s of ring away and he does a Swanton, missing by half the ring for lulz.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Eh, to each their own. It's just not for me.

[Emperor Smeat]

http://68.media.tumblr.com/a025975e329b2b8ecda1e288217ca9e3/tumblr_oripvtIIBu1u1ljrzo1_500.gif

[Mr. Nerfect]

How's Nakamura doing on SmackDown? I haven't watched in quite a while, but I was hoping he'd heat things up.

[XL]

He's pretty much just another guy in the main event ranks.

[Emperor Smeat]

Pretty much.

Debut was handled pretty well and so was keeping the mystic for his first match but his booking and build so far has made him feel as just another guy on the roster.

Then again Smackdown overall still feels as its trying to regain its groove that got messed up from the Shakeup.

[#1-norm-fan]

I was never a Cody Rhodes fan. Liked him when he'd get a gimmick. "Disfigured" Cody was great. I liked Stardust. But when he was just Cody, he bored me.

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The guy is fucking money since leaving WWE though. If there was ever a glaringly obvious piece of evidence how much scripting and micromanaging guys makes wrestling shit...

[WinterDecay]

This question may be a touch dark but

Who dies first Lex Luger or Tammy Sytch?

[Emperor Smeat]

Xavier Woods on the origin of his trombone gimmick with New Day from Giantbomb's E3 night show earlier tonight:

"I was supposed to hand it off to the prop guy before the match started, but I realized, "I'm never going to have a chance to play trombone on live TV again." So I started playing it during the match for no reason, and one of the camera guys came to me during the commercial and said, "VINCE... IS... LOVING THIS!" When I got to the back Vince told me, "this is it. You're out there with that trombone every night."

[Bad News Gertner]

I was never a Cody Rhodes fan. Liked him when he'd get a gimmick. "Disfigured" Cody was great. I liked Stardust. But when he was just Cody, he bored me.

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The guy is fucking money since leaving WWE though. If there was ever a glaringly obvious piece of evidence how much scripting and micromanaging guys makes wrestling shit...

He's an upper mid card guy. Still is. He hasn't exactly been putting on 4 star matches. He's a slightly less talented Dolph Ziggler.

[GD]

Did Shinsuke infer that Dolph Ziggler would do a lot better in Japan on the latest Talking Smackdown show?

[#1-norm-fan]

He's an upper mid card guy. Still is. He hasn't exactly been putting on 4 star matches. He's a slightly less talented Dolph Ziggler.

He's definitely an upper mid card guy. The difference is, he's a REALLY good upper mid card guy now. In WWE he was just another one of those generic guys in the upper mid card because everyone is booked/scripted the exact same.

[Bad News Gertner]

He's really not done anything that impressive since leaving. His stuff as Dashing Cody Rhodes is miles better and more interesting than anything he's done now.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I fucking loved Cody and Goldust as a babyface team in 2013/14.

[GD]

When they won the WWE Tag Team Championship from Seth and Roman...never forget. Almost got an erection from that shit.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I thought for sure they would beat the New Age Outlaws and defend the belts against The Usos at WrestleMania XXX. Whoops.

[Rammsteinmad]

That initial Cody/Goldust run against the Shield and Goldust's big return etc was pretty awesome.

[#1-norm-fan]

He's really not done anything that impressive since leaving. His stuff as Dashing Cody Rhodes is miles better and more interesting than anything he's done now.

lol His promos and character just as regular old heel Cody now are miles better and more interesting than his promos and character just as regular old heel Cody in WWE. It's night and day.

[#1-norm-fan]

I fucking loved Cody and Goldust as a babyface team in 2013/14.

That initial Cody/Goldust run against the Shield and Goldust's big return etc was pretty awesome.

That was actually a cool story. Once it was over though and they stopped feuding with The Shield, the charm of the team kinda wore off.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

You got giddy earlier about john morrison coming back, but I don't see you attacking the fact that a guy capable performing incredible acrobatic and aerial feats, finishes people with a move that kills his momentum a few feet before he lands, and has less impact than anything else he does.

Most people don't think about that. Because it looks cool.

but Jim Cornette doesn't like Kenny Omega so Noid has to hate anything he's involved in.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Cody has been putting on the worst matches on an NJPW card fairly consistently. Hoping Okada can carry him like he did Fale.

[Bad News Gertner]

Cody has been putting on the worst matches on an NJPW card fairly consistently. Hoping Okada can carry him like he did Fale.

Thank you

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

He just did the fucking dick spot with Joey Ryan. Fuckin eh Cody.

[DaveWadding]

He just did the fucking dick spot with Joey Ryan. Fuckin eh Cody.

Joey Ryan's cock is so powerful that it could take down Brock Lesnar in a shoot fight.

[#1-norm-fan]

Cody has been putting on the worst matches on an NJPW card fairly consistently. Hoping Okada can carry him like he did Fale.

Thank you

Was he putting on 5 star classics in WWE that I was unaware of?

I remember people praising his Mysterio match at WrestleMania which was a match New Japan marks would think was pretty fucking abysmal if it happened there.

Also, when did Gertner become a workrate FBDV?

[Evil Vito]

I can't tell if I like Cody's ROH stuff more than his NJPW stuff, or if it's the same but only seems worse in NJPW because of how stacked the cards are there.

[Emperor Smeat]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCUiDWYV0AERtMy.jpg

[Mr. Nerfect]

but Jim Cornette doesn't like Kenny Omega so Noid has to hate anything he's involved in.

This is mike adamle-levels of dumb.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

#HeelNewstead

[GD]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCUiDWYV0AERtMy.jpg

Absolutely adorable.

[mike adamle]

This is mike adamle-levels of dumb.

You seem to get sensitive when people point out the truth... why did you come back? You're just as miserable of a poster as you were before you left, adding haha and lol to your stupid novels doesn't make them funny. They're still cringe inducing.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

When they won the WWE Tag Team Championship from Seth and Roman...never forget. Almost got an erection from that shit.

Do you mean when they won the match for their jobs? That was the better match moment. Big Show pretty much ruined the tag team match by getting his cry baby face involved.

[Fignuts]

Was he putting on 5 star classics in WWE that I was unaware of?

I remember people praising his Mysterio match at WrestleMania which was a match New Japan marks would think was pretty fucking abysmal if it happened there.

Also, when did Gertner become a workrate FBDV?

No. We wouldn't. His work up til now has not matchec his best in WWE. At least not in njpw. I can't speak on other companies he's worked for.

Just because we haven't been in impressed by his work thus far, doesn't automatically mean its because of smark nonsense.

[GD]

When they won the WWE Tag Team Championship from Seth and Roman...never forget. Almost got an erection from that shit.

Do you mean when they won the match for their jobs? That was the better match moment. Big Show pretty much ruined the tag team match by getting his cry baby face involved.

I stand corrected.

[#1-norm-fan]

His matches against Jay Lethal were as good as any matches he had in WWE at the very least.

As a personality though, he's a MILLION times better than he was in WWE. Which is the point I'm trying to make. When he had a gimmick like "Disfigured" or Stardust he was at least interesting and showed some personality. When he was just Cody, he was night and day compared to what he is now.

[Lock Jaw]

Was he putting on 5 star classics in WWE that I was unaware of?

I remember people praising his Mysterio match at WrestleMania which was a match New Japan marks would think was pretty fucking abysmal if it happened there.

Also, when did Gertner become a workrate FBDV?

Dunno, but I remember thinking that Cody/Mysterio was match of the night at that Wrestlemania.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="es" dir="ltr">A <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/JohnCena?src=hash">#JohnCena</a> emoji!!</p>&mdash; Adrian (@TheAdrianRios) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheAdrianRios/status/875511998217207808">June 16, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[Lock Jaw]

http://oi64.tinypic.com/2v30ndl.jpg

[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="es" dir="ltr">A <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/JohnCena?src=hash">#JohnCena</a> emoji!!</p>&mdash; Adrian (@TheAdrianRios) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheAdrianRios/status/875511998217207808">June 16, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Would have been better if it was invisible except for an outline of his head.

[#1-norm-fan]

Dunno, but I remember thinking that Cody/Mysterio was match of the night at that Wrestlemania.

It might have been. It was a pretty terrible WrestleMania though.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

You seem to get sensitive when people point out the truth... why did you come back? You're just as miserable of a poster as you were before you left, adding haha and lol to your stupid novels doesn't make them funny. They're still cringe inducing.

In fairness, it's hard not to get sucked into Jim's POV, he's hella entertaining.

[Evil Vito]

http://www.wwe.com/article/matt-hardy-second-child-born
http://www.wwe.com/shows/raw/article/curt-hawkins-first-child-born

I didn't realize that WWE were making birth announcements when one of the superstars has a kid. Pretty cool.

[Tom Guycott]

Wonder if Wolfgang is going to have a WWE match (with outside interference by both Matt and Maxel) that makes *him* the youngest to have a match, much to the chagrin of Kevin Owens who takes "personal offense to child exploitation" in spite of him doing exactly the same thing with Owen awhile ago.

I can see this actually being a catalyst for a storyline. Or at least another anti-bullying video.

[GD]

Not sure if TPWW knows of ANGAARTv

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[Big Vic]

why did you come back? You're just as miserable of a poster as you were before you left.
Someone should have asked you this.

[Fignuts]

Ahahahaha

[Big Vic]

How President Donald Trump led to a wrestler becoming the most reviled man in Mexico

MEXICO CITY — Everybody’s always mad at him.

“I’m just an old school wrestling fan,” he says. “That’s been my job, what I’m supposed to be: make the people as angry as possible.”

He’s hardly bothered, though. This was his goal all along. He is Sam Adonis, an American pro wrestler for Consejo Mundial de Lucha Libre (CMLL) in this mammoth city who came up with the idea to plaster the image of Donald Trump on his tights. He is possibly the most reviled man in all of Mexico.

The idea struck him in the middle of the U.S. election campaign last July, and he knew it was a winner as soon as he appeared in the ring and heard the roar of disapproval.

“People were so angry!” Adonis recalls. He was happy to be a target of the venom that arose in this country when Trump suggested a border wall built by Mexico. After Trump won the presidential election in November, he supplemented the custom tights with a U.S. flag emblazoned with the new leader’s face.

“Most people here hate Donald Trump without really knowing why,” Adonis said. “Nobody knows anything about him. They don’t read his policies, or anything he believes. It’s the blind leading the blind.”https://www.yahoo.com/sports/president-donald-trump-led-wrestler-becoming-reviled-man-mexico-191510838.html

[mike adamle]

Someone should have asked you this.

When did I leave?

[Big Vic]

You were not very active for the first half of 2016.

[mike adamle]

Just because I'm busy doesn't mean I left, It's not like I wrote a novel chastising everyone for liking something I don't and dramatically left...

[Big Vic]

You weren't really here though.

[mike adamle]

Was I not here all week when I barely posted either?

[Big Vic]

Nope

[Black Widow]

https://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h309/ohernan6/19060145_1355494411153492_6715406891761534251_n_zpst9ossmfn.jpg

[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IMPACTonPOP?src=hash">#IMPACTonPOP</a> <a href="https://t.co/LdEtGwWyMK">pic.twitter.com/LdEtGwWyMK</a></p>&mdash; TDE Wrestling (@totaldivaseps) <a href="https://twitter.com/totaldivaseps/status/875508166947155968">June 16, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[XL]

AAA is airing in the U.K.

[Black Widow]

https://i.redd.it/voj8scx1t24z.jpg

[Bad News Gertner]

Been saying this for ever: if Don Muraco from 1981-83 were around today, he'd be the biggest thing in wrestling. Lol you HAVE to check out this hilarious promo on Pat Patterson from 1983. Slips in a early Patterson gay joke too.

Muraco is the greatest heel IC Champ of all time and it's not even close. He was money in 83. Pretty much carried the company since Backlund's wheels had fallen off.

Definitely watch this video.

IVuRIyin5Ik

[Bad News Gertner]

Muraco is pretty shitfaced lol

[owenbrown]

lol Captain Lou

[Bad News Gertner]

BOOOOOOORING!

[Bad News Gertner]

Lol Captain Lou looks pretty smashed too

[Heisenberg]

Ric Flair should manage Curtis Axel already, goddammit

[Simple Fan]

Ric Flair should manage Curtis Axel already, goddammit

Damn right. Best Axel was Payl Heyman Axel before Ryback stunk it up. Flair and Axel would be cool I think although I wish Axel was on Smackdown Live.

[Heisenberg]

WWE Creative needs to stop eating placentas

[Simple Fan]

WWE Creative needs to stop eating placentas

Matt Hardy and Curt Hawkins just had babies so they might be full now.

[Heisenberg]

YouTube is a fuckin time machine, off to WWE Network I go

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[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Im back at <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE">@Wwe</a> Edmonton <a href="https://t.co/b6NIC6gNRW">pic.twitter.com/b6NIC6gNRW</a></p>&mdash; David benoit (@RealDavidBenoit) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealDavidBenoit/status/875866204216336385">June 17, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[#1-norm-fan]

Damn right. Best Axel was Payl Heyman Axel before Ryback stunk it up. Flair and Axel would be cool I think although I wish Axel was on Smackdown Live.

You sure it was Ryback's fault? You sure it didn't have something to do with WWE creative being horrifically bad and Curtis Axel being almost as bad?

[Mr. Nerfect]

I have a soft spot for Curtis Axel. He's a wonderful enhancement guy, in my opinion. He'd make a great bag-carrying henchman.

[#1-norm-fan]

Axel was fine as a comedy jobber with Sandow. I love Simple Fan and respect him sticking with Impact like he has... but he's on record as saying Curtis Axel is better than his father was. I think he may overrate him a bit...

[Mr. Nerfect]

You seem to get sensitive when people point out the truth... why did you come back? You're just as miserable of a poster as you were before you left, adding haha and lol to your stupid novels doesn't make them funny. They're still cringe inducing.

Dude, I wasn't making fun of you -- you're just a good barometer of dumb. Chill out and don't be so sensitive.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Axel was fine as a comedy jobber with Sandow. I love Simple Fan and respect him sticking with Impact like he has... but he's on record as saying Curtis Axel is better than his father was. I think he may overrate him a bit...

Haha, being compared to his father is what absolutely kills Axel.

[Simple Fan]

Axel was fine as a comedy jobber with Sandow. I love Simple Fan and respect him sticking with Impact like he has... but he's on record as saying Curtis Axel is better than his father was. I think he may overrate him a bit...

Have to live the gimmick with my favorites. Better than Perfect was a "perfect" phrase for a heel Curtis Axel. Never really liked the guy as Michael McGillicutty but as soon as he debuted as Curtis Axel and embraced his lineage, I was a fan. WWE gave him a small push with the count out wins over HHH and Cena and I was hooked. Hate to see the guy not do anything because he can truly wrestle and can be entertaining given the chance.

[RP]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Im back at <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE">@Wwe</a> Edmonton <a href="https://t.co/b6NIC6gNRW">pic.twitter.com/b6NIC6gNRW</a></p>&mdash; David benoit (@RealDavidBenoit) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealDavidBenoit/status/875866204216336385">June 17, 2017</a></blockquote>
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What the fuck! I thought David Benoit tapped out ! What the fuck is going on here?

[Simple Fan]

You sure it was Ryback's fault? You sure it didn't have something to do with WWE creative being horrifically bad and Curtis Axel being almost as bad?

WWE Creative gets alot of the blame, pairing Ryback and Axel is a horrible idea. Axel is not the best on the mic but thats what Paul was good for. Guy can pull off the comedy stuff fine but does need a prop being serious I think. Flair with Axel could be comedic and serious at the same time I think.

[mike adamle]

Dude, I wasn't making fun of you -- you're just a good barometer of dumb. Chill out and don't be so sensitive.

Says the guy who can't handle when people enjoy things that he doesn't...:roll:

[GD]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Im back at <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE">@Wwe</a> Edmonton <a href="https://t.co/b6NIC6gNRW">pic.twitter.com/b6NIC6gNRW</a></p>&mdash; David benoit (@RealDavidBenoit) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealDavidBenoit/status/875866204216336385">June 17, 2017</a></blockquote>
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The resemblance is uncanny. I hope the kid get a fair chance irrespective of what his father did at the end of his life.

[GD]

What the fuck! I thought David Benoit tapped out ! What the fuck is going on here?

I think he ended Daniel's life. He was the special needs one.

[GD]

If that's the real twitter page, the amount of retweets with respect to Chris Benoit is scary.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I mean, Mike Adamle's delivery may be a bit clunky, but Noid did in fact take his ball, and go home because people liked Alexa Bliss.

[JimmyMess]

Gangrel is at a booth today the flea market here in London, ON.

I just read that he was the PWI Rookie of the Year in 1993.

[Sixx]

Gangrel is at a booth today the flea market here in London, ON.

I just read that he was the PWI Rookie of the Year in 1993.

This has a big chance of ending like this:

http://www.wrestlecrap.com/headlies/040111/virgil2-0.jpg

[Lock Jaw]

Hey hey

Ho ho

Flea market

[Black Widow]

The resemblance is uncanny. I hope the kid get a fair chance irrespective of what his father did at the end of his life.Pass him off as Ham Porter from the Sandlot's kid.

[JimmyMess]

This has a big chance of ending like this:

http://www.wrestlecrap.com/headlies/040111/virgil2-0.jpg

totally my thoughts. my buddy went down, paid $20 for a photo. He said there was a line. I said there must have been someone selling churros beside his booth and people got confused.

[Gerard]

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:lol:

[Droford]

YouTube is a fuckin time machine, off to WWE Network I go

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The amusing thing is Paul Ellering is still doing his thing 30 years later.