"100,001" Replies (Wrestling Forum)

[Mr. Nerfect]

Don’t know how relevant it is to note, but WBD retains 12.5% ownership stake in CW.

[Lock Jaw]

Is their deal with the NWA just dead cause of the whole cocaine fiasco?

[Bad News Gertner]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;Folks, they are literally hanging from the rafters at this year's senior prom! You can cut the electricity on the dance floor with a knife!&quot; <a href="https://t.co/RvSqZHXDqz">pic.twitter.com/RvSqZHXDqz</a></p>&mdash; Brian R. Solomon (@BrianRSolomon) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrianRSolomon/status/1721915318186938513?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 7, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Mr. Nerfect]

Is their deal with the NWA just dead cause of the whole cocaine fiasco?

The rumors could have been bullshit or exaggerated. Talks between WWE and CW would have been going on for months. I’m sure the coke stuff doesn’t do them any favors with anyone else.

[Gerard]

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Surprised this happened to Coach, wwe bounced a "check" on him and never made it right.

[Big Vic]

They did something similar to CM Punk right?

[Gerard]

They did something similar to CM Punk right?

Yup, it was an older check he discovered and they wouldn't reissue it.

[Gerard]

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:lol:

[Mr. Nerfect]

Ric Flair being signed by AEW seems like the final straw for a lot of people.

[Gerard]

Ric Flair being signed by AEW seems like the final straw for a lot of people.

Don't forget the "Wooooo" energy drink bandwagon he's also hopped on. Seems to be the only reason he signed, to be able to promote it on air.

[Mr. Nerfect]

You won’t even be able to put Flair out of mind for an entire show.

[Gerard]

You won’t even be able to put Flair out of mind for an entire show.

They should trot him out for the main event just to chop the entire roster and flair flop all over the place.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Andrade wins a chip in a Ladder Match and hands it to Flair. He cashes it in on MJF and wins #17! Woooo!

[Mr. Nerfect]

Flair is the Devil.

[Mr. Nerfect]

MJF is beaten down by a returning Adam Cole to set that into motion. Flair, Andrade, Cole and Samoa Joe form a new version of the Horsemen. The Horsemen Black & Gold, since they’ve been sent over from NXT to destroy AEW. If they can’t use Horsemen, they can call themselves the “H-Men” because of who they work for.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It’s long-term storytelling, because Flair was also the Black Scorpion.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Flair doesn’t have to wrestle. He hands the World Title over to Andrade. Who draws a green “X” on it as a double tribute to CM Punk and Triple H.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Andrade, Samoa Joe, Adam Cole, Roderick Strong & Kyle O’Reilly (w/ Ric Flair)

Vs.

MJF, Goldberg, Billy Gunn & The Acclaimed (w/ Zac Efron)

[Big Vic]

Remember when JR turned heel and had his own announce table made in front of Coles?

[Gerard]

Remember when JR turned heel and had his own announce table made in front of Coles?

I remember someone was meant to be put through it and the table never broke, i think the little raw logo fell off or something and he still walked out saying "you ruined it" or something along those lines. :lol:

[XL]

IIRC it was a little JR logo in the style of the WWE scratch logo.

[XL]

Well, WWF scratch logo I guess.

[Bad News Gertner]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Great Khali, is still the most graceful man in the business. <a href="https://t.co/1jva7qnH84">pic.twitter.com/1jva7qnH84</a></p>&mdash; IANdrew Dice Clay (@IANdrewDiceClay) <a href="https://twitter.com/IANdrewDiceClay/status/1723497966042783944?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 12, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Gerard]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Great Khali, is still the most graceful man in the business. <a href="https://t.co/1jva7qnH84">pic.twitter.com/1jva7qnH84</a></p>&mdash; IANdrew Dice Clay (@IANdrewDiceClay) <a href="https://twitter.com/IANdrewDiceClay/status/1723497966042783944?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 12, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

His legs look like they're bowing outwards from the knees down, all that height does come with its issues later in life. Same for Big Show, his return on AEW had people talking with how he was standing with his legs looking awkwardly positioned.

[Gerard]

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Not a bit of wonder he has back issues, 8 times in 1 night.

[M-A-G]

MAH GAWD, IS HE TRYING TO KILL HIM?!?!? :eek:

[Gerard]

MAH GAWD, IS HE TRYING TO KILL HIM?!?!? :eek:

4 to kill, 4 more for a resurrection!

[Gerard]

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Think they're being slightly generous calling that an RKO.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I had no clue Bob Orton did that. Actually pretty cool. Referenced as “The Ace” too.

[Mr. Nerfect]

This probably predates Johnny Ace doing it in Japan, honestly. Laurinaitis claims to have invented the move in 1987, but I think earliest documentation is 1988.

[Lock Jaw]

OUTTA NOWHERE!!!

[xrodmuc316]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">She must be a WWE fan �� <a href="https://t.co/C2rppXMWpt">pic.twitter.com/C2rppXMWpt</a></p>&mdash; Logan Paul (@LoganPaul) <a href="https://twitter.com/LoganPaul/status/1724094718294811096?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 13, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

:lol::lol::lol:

[XL]

Logan Paul vs LA Knight could be a good dynamic.

[Lock Jaw]

Rey Mysterio's pal Bad Bunny should show up to avenge Rey

Logan Paul v Bad Bunny at WM for the US Title

[XL]

We’re in a crazy world where that actually sounds like a good pairing with a decent payoff.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Logan Paul vs LA Knight could be a good dynamic.

It’s a while out, but I’m predicting that as a Mania 40 match.

[Lock Jaw]

We’re in a crazy world where that actually sounds like a good pairing with a decent payoff.

We're in a crazy world where Logan Paul vs Bad Bunny could actually be match of the night

[Savio]

Should be working but engrossed watching this:


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Reminds me of "The Vault"

[Savio]

Uhh not sure why it's auto playing

[Bad News Gertner]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The infamous Hammond, Indiana Riot after the The Road Warriors vs. Baron Von Raschke &amp; Curt Hennig match.<br><br>A fan threw a chair at Hawk, which you can see, and bedlam through out arena, the Hammond Police Force had their hands full that night. <br><br>Craziness. <a href="https://t.co/UEy2q7l2gb">pic.twitter.com/UEy2q7l2gb</a></p>&mdash; Allan (@allan_cheapshot) <a href="https://twitter.com/allan_cheapshot/status/1724444576579047639?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 14, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[xrodmuc316]

Uhh not sure why it's auto playing

Who knows, but I just saw Rock-A-Billy :rofl:

[Mr. Nerfect]

WWE is taking Backlash to France in early May.

[Gerard]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ronda Rousey landing on the back of her head at an Indy show <br><br> <a href="https://t.co/udhOmUvgdC">pic.twitter.com/udhOmUvgdC</a></p>&mdash; Vick (@Vick_8122) <a href="https://twitter.com/Vick_8122/status/1725506560892272708?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 17, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

:wtf:

[Black Widow]

Rare pic of members on here.

https://i.ibb.co/QrTXMKt/BTgi-Xyuyupq-DAe-W63nh-Df-Ytd4-Pm-Ucexa-Boawve-Yj-Oo.jpg

[Lock Jaw]

Thought those luggage bags were that dude's pants for a second...

[Lock Jaw]

:lol: WWE sent Becky Lynch on to Celebrity Jeopardy where she got brutally murdered by Macaulay Culkin and Rachel Dratch.

Becky apparently only got 2 questions right through three rounds (and got them both in the last round), and entered Final Jeopardy with only $500. She did get Final Jeopardy right though, and doubled her total.

But she did bump the ratings in the demo

According to PW Insider, the episode drew 4,235,000 viewers and scored a rating of 0.51 in the 18-49 demographic. As mentioned, this was the program’s biggest numbers of the season and an increase from last week’s episode, which drew 3,860,000 viewers and had a 0.43 in the key demo.

[rez]

WWE is taking Backlash to France in early May.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/191/035/135.png

[M-A-G]

:lol: WWE sent Becky Lynch on to Celebrity Jeopardy where she got brutally murdered by Macaulay Culkin and Rachel Dratch.

Becky apparently only got 2 questions right through three rounds (and got them both in the last round), and entered Final Jeopardy with only $500. She did get Final Jeopardy right though, and doubled her total.

But she did bump the ratings in the demo

Did she know what month Thanksgiving is celebrated in the states?

[Lock Jaw]

Dunno, but I'm hearing she set the record for worst contestant ever

[Savio]

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[M-A-G]

Dunno, but I'm hearing she set the record for worst contestant ever

That's pretty rough, especially when Celebrity Jeopardy! tends to get skewed down in difficulty. The skits on Saturday Night Live are supposed to be parody, for crying out loud.

[Bad News Gertner]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Andre The Giant x Stan Hansen. Considered by many to be one of the best “Big Man” matches of all time and one of the greatest pro wrestling spectacles of the 1980’s. �� <a href="https://t.co/aPzrYLNy7a">pic.twitter.com/aPzrYLNy7a</a></p>&mdash; Vintage Puroresu プロレス (@vintagepuro) <a href="https://twitter.com/vintagepuro/status/1726613317488345209?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 20, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[drave]

The more I watch Andre in Japan, the more I feel "we" were robbed of his great matches. I also find it very crazy the way he moved for his size. Incredible.

[Bad News Gertner]

Oh fucking yes

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="tl" dir="ltr">Koko Ware. Annihilating TV opponents. 1985-87. <a href="https://t.co/KW1OVjOjz3">pic.twitter.com/KW1OVjOjz3</a></p>&mdash; Rob Naylor (@NINaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/NINaylor/status/1726804592183378412?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 21, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Bad News Gertner]

OK, we need to do another watchalong.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ozark Mountain Wrestling's 'Man Mountain Mike' is one of the absolute worst wrestlers I have ever seen. I feel sorry for poor Steve Stratton having to sell for this garbage. <a href="https://t.co/jwTETgquTH">pic.twitter.com/jwTETgquTH</a></p>&mdash; Rasslin Uploader~! (Armstrong Alley on YouTube) (@KrisPLettuce) <a href="https://twitter.com/KrisPLettuce/status/1727083035009695754?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 21, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[screech]

Good Lord lol

[Mr. Nerfect]

Insane to think we’re only 3 days away from CM Punk returning.

[Vastardikai]

I remember saying, maybe not here, but a lot of the folks WWE express "interest" in is either false info fed to dirt sheets to get Snowman to overpay or false info fed to dirt sheets by Tony himself.

Why do I mention this? Because a name that was not brought up in these sheets was Madi Wrenkowski, who just signed to WWE.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah, I’d believe it. When you’re in a “war,” that is how you gain an advantage. I think they’ve sent over a number of Trojan horses too.

[Tom Guycott]

Thought those luggage bags were that dude's pants for a second...

I'd rock 'em.

[Tom Guycott]

I remember saying, maybe not here, but a lot of the folks WWE express "interest" in is either false info fed to dirt sheets to get Snowman to overpay or false info fed to dirt sheets by Tony himself.

Why do I mention this? Because a name that was not brought up in these sheets was Madi Wrenkowski, who just signed to WWE.

Maybe recently, but it still straddles a line of credibility, since there are times where WWE would "express interest" in someone you wouldn't think. Like, for every Brock Lesnar that would be obvious, you get a few Miz-es that aren't. And I don't mean that as a knock on Miz. I just mean you'd expect them to look at/for NCAA athletic standouts (not neccessarily wrestlers, but...) that they can exploit the talent crossover easily or indy talent with the right amount of buzz that isn't buzz about WWE so they aim to fix that. This has been a thing before AEW, and continue to be one if Tony gets bored and folds tents.

Also also, sometimes you end up with a situation like Shinsuke Nakamura, where nobody really believed it until he was in a signee photo with Triple H... because nothing about Nak's station in NJPW, WWE's attitude about "small", foreign wrestlers, and stars they themselves didn't "create" would historically tell you otherwise.

There may be those that can and prob'ly should play the politik long-con to more money. But other times, it is what it is. Last woman I heard anything about in that way was Nikki Cross after her SWA sessions and Lance putting her over. I have zero idea who this Madi is, but she looks like someone who would easily fall into the WWE Name Generator and pressed into a middling gimmick that gets more attention than it deserves because she's "new" and "hot".

[Tom Guycott]

Before I forget: happy tryptophan extravaganza to all you turkeys here at TPdub.

[M-A-G]

https://www.wrestlecrap.com/app/uploads/2023/11/BeckyJeopardy-01.gif

New reaction meme.

[M-A-G]

OMG, even better.

https://www.wrestlecrap.com/app/uploads/2023/11/BeckyJeopardy-36.gif

[Lock Jaw]

Start of the show happy to be there vs end of the show phony "kill me now" smile

[drave]

NWA is on the CW app now.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Wow, they actually made it. That surprises me.

[XL]

I remember saying, maybe not here, but a lot of the folks WWE express "interest" in is either false info fed to dirt sheets to get Snowman to overpay or false info fed to dirt sheets by Tony himself.

Why do I mention this? Because a name that was not brought up in these sheets was Madi Wrenkowski, who just signed to WWE.

Who?

[XL]

Insane to think we’re only 3 days away from CM Punk returning.

I think we get Cult of Personality play and it’s Grayson Waller that comes out to major heat.

[Gerard]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

Who?

That kind of proves the point.

But seriously, I think Tony does promise a lot less life change for a lot more money. Hearing Will Ospreay talk about why he signed with AEW makes it sound like he’ll be doing basically the same thing and he is now, just for $1 million a year or whatever.

It’s certainly a strategy from WWE to force those moves. The Khans have a lot of money, but surely there has to be some return at some point, right?

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think we get Cult of Personality play and it’s Grayson Waller that comes out to major heat.

That would almost make it worth it. Or Waller trolls the audience, CM Punk then authentically shows up.

[Vastardikai]

Who?

A fairly decent hand, trained by Jazz and worked a lot in Mission Pro. Was an underneath talent in AEW until, for some unexplained reason, they just stopped booking her. Maybe because of the first fact.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah, one of the first things that pops are of her are AEW graphics. WWE was like “We really, really, REALLY want Will Ospreay.” Then yoink.

[XL]

Clever ploy by WWE. Leak it to the Dirtsheets that they’re interested in one of the standout talents on the international scene so that Tony focuses solely on him allowing you to quietly sign someone 90% of the audience have never heard of.

They don’t call him the Cerebral Assasin for nothing.

[Mr. Nerfect]

If that’s who you’re after, then yeah.

[Bad News Gertner]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/OnThisDay?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#OnThisDay</a> in 1994: Survivor Series PPV: After winning the WWE Title Bob Backlund explains his excitement by comparing himself to God.<br><br>Bob Backlund is firing all cylinders here. Drunk with power after winning the title and still on a moral crusade. Totally convincing portrayal. <a href="https://t.co/0iJbVsDXmZ">pic.twitter.com/0iJbVsDXmZ</a></p>&mdash; Allan (@allan_cheapshot) <a href="https://twitter.com/allan_cheapshot/status/1727706066840903798?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 23, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Lock Jaw]

I remember having the Survivor Series 94 VHS as a youngling and absolutely loving and being intrigued by Bob Backlund.

It was only years later that I found out that he just lost the belt three days later in a few seconds to Diesel.

[Fignuts]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/OnThisDay?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#OnThisDay</a> in 1989: Survivor Series PPV: Maybe the greatest promo of all time aired. <a href="https://t.co/rKdoVwvUEs">pic.twitter.com/rKdoVwvUEs</a></p>&mdash; Allan (@allan_cheapshot) <a href="https://twitter.com/allan_cheapshot/status/1727680904326205777?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 23, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Big Vic]

I remember having the Survivor Series 94 VHS as a youngling and absolutely loving and being intrigued by Bob Backlund.

It was only years later that I found out that he just lost the belt three days later in a few seconds to Diesel.


What was the idea with his transitional run here?


.... I'm assuming Gertner knows.

[Bad News Gertner]

Diesel had been made to look dominant. Diesel rolling over Bret would have hurt Bret WAY more than it hurt Backlund.

[Lock Jaw]

You know... just looking at chronology, I guess Survivor Series 1994 was the latest VHS that I had as a kid. I missed all of Deisel's run at the top.

Was probably while he was on the top that I was getting really into watching and rewatching the VHS tapes I had.... and then Mankind/Taker at Summerslam 1996 got me into watching live stuff.

[Vastardikai]

Diesel's win kicked off a lengthy run of consecutive babyface Champions. Diesel didn't start his turn until after losing the belt to Bret. Bret lost to a babyface Shawn. Shawn lost to a babyface Sid. Sid lost the belt back to a babyface Shawn. Shawn lost his smile and the belt went to Bret, who was in the middle of a heel turn, but wouldn't go full heel for another month. Bret lost the belt to still Babyface Sid, who lost to a babyface Undertaker. Then, at Summerslam 97, heel Bret finally ended the run. Who lost it to a heel Shawn Michaels.

Just a weird 2.5 to 3 years.

[Bad News Gertner]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/OnThisDay?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#OnThisDay</a> in 1985: Memphis TV: Lance Russell introduces the Jim Hellwig and Steve Borden (The Freedom Fighters) to the wrestling world on Memphis TV. <a href="https://t.co/7kSvxIJ65j">pic.twitter.com/7kSvxIJ65j</a></p>&mdash; Allan (@allan_cheapshot) <a href="https://twitter.com/allan_cheapshot/status/1727728716086644745?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 23, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Mr. Nerfect]

So I was bored. I listened to the Observer radio thing on YouTube about Samoa Joe and MJF, curious to see if it got defended or not. It cuts to Dave’s visual during it. Holy shit. I could not believe it. Anyone who thinks the dude isn’t going through a mid-life crisis needs to check it out.

It’s actually insane. Can someone submit it to Cornette. It needs attention.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I’ll put this in spoiler tags:

He’s wearing a kind of lilac blue/kind of purple jumpsuit with an orange cap TURNED BACKWARDS as he’s got a headset on. Wtf why?

[Mr. Nerfect]

Cody Rhodes is older than Nick Aldis. Something about that doesn’t feel right.

[Big Vic]

Has Randy Savage ever pinned Hulk Hogan?

[Big Vic]

Apparently not

Despite having faced each other one-on-one around a hundred times, poor Randy Savage just could not get a break against Hulk Hogan.

In 1985, Savage signed with the World Wrestling Federation. He got a substantial push right out of the gate and started to be groomed as a top heel. Yet despite plowing through the undercard wrestlers as he was built up, Savage ran face-first into WWF Champion Hulk Hogan. Setting the tone for the entire rest of their careers, Savage repeatedly challenged Hogan for the title, but the Hulkster won all of their initial encounters by pinfall. Later in the year and into 1986 somebody realized that Savage needed to pick up some kind of victories, so the two began to trade wins. Hogan's wins were all by pinfall and Savage's wins were all by count-out.

In early 1986 Savage defeated Tito Santana to win the WWF Intercontinental Championship for the first and only time, holding it for over a year until Wrestlemania III. One would assume that this would mean a parting of the ways between the two champions, allowing them to go about their own business of defending the titles; unfortunately for Savage, he continued to lose to Hogan by pinfall on house shows and in dark matches through all of 1986, in 1987 in the lead up to a defense against Ricky Steamboat at Wrestlemania, and then continuing after his title loss for most of the rest of 1987.

Then in late 1987 an amazing thing happened, as the two biggest stars of the World Wrestling Federation - the seemingly-invincible Hulk Hogan and the man he'd been beating like a rented mule for two years in Randy Savage - joined forces to become the Mega Powers! Gone were the days of Hogan pinning Savage day in and day out, which paid off just a few months later as Savage won a tournament at 1988's Wrestlemania IV to finally become the WWF Champion, where all it took was facing an opponent other than Hogan.

Yet storm clouds were on the horizon, as the Mega Powers broke up in early 1989 after Hogan began to get entirely too chummy toward Savage's girlfriend Miss Elizabeth, endangered Elizabeth by demanding that she accompany him to the ring for his matches, eliminated Savage during the Royal Rumble, and abandoned Savage during a match to be beaten down by the Twin Towers. What a jerk. Obviously this boiled over into a feud and the Mega Powers exploded! at Wrestlemania V where Hogan won the WWF Championship by pinfall. Savage got a measure of revenge in the ensuing months, beating Hogan in half of their matches - by count out - though Savage predictably lost the other half by pinfall. This pattern continued all through 1989 and into 1990. Their rivalry in WWF ended in 1990 at The Main Event III, with Hogan yet again defeating Savage, this time in a steel cage match just to break up the monotony.

Savage and Hogan both separately made their way to World Championship Wrestling eventually, teaming together when they crossed paths again, until Hogan betrayed Savage to form the NWO. What a jerk. With Hogan now a heel and Savage a babyface, it was clearly time for The Macho Man to gain vengeance! Only he lost some more, instead. Savage challenged for now-Hollywood Hogan's WCW Championship at Halloween Havoc 1996 (Savage was pinned), Hogan challenged for Savage's WCW Championship on WCW NITRO episode 136 (Savage was pinned), and Hogan challenged for Savage's WCW Championship on WCW NITRO 199 (Savage was pinned). There were only three other singles matches between the pair in WCW, where Savage won against Hogan twice by disqualification and there was one no-contest, but at least Randy Savage was spared the humiliation of dozens of successive losses on house show tours. After WCW folded Hogan went back to what would shortly thereafter become WWE, while Savage poked his head into the upstart NWA-TNA briefly before retiring. They never faced each other again and Savage ended his career without ever having gotten a real win over his rival.

So there you have it. People talk about Hulk Hogan's backstage politicking, but there's really no better illustration than the fact that across fifteen years, two companies, and roughly a hundred singles matches, the one star that was equal to Hogan's fame in the wrestling business was never once allowed to pin him one-on-one.

(What a jerk.)

[M-A-G]

Piper was in a similar situation.

[Sting Fan]

Wow, not a wonder Savage thought the world was out to get him.

[M-A-G]

Tammy Sytch sentenced to 17 years, something that should have been done years ago.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I feel for that old man’s family and/or loved ones. You don’t want a man in his 70s to go like that.

[Bad News Gertner]

Piper was in a similar situation.

I actually think Piper has more singles wins over Hogan than Hogan over Piper

Hogan never beat Piper in the WWF other than by DQ. They hardly wrestled each other actually. People always talk about their "feud" but it really wasn't much of a feud.

Piper beat Hogan a couple times in WCW. Actually, has Hogan ever beaten Piper by pinfall or submission in a singles match?

[Big Vic]

Looked that up yesterday but forgot...

Hollywood Hogan pinned Roddy Piper after Randy Savage interfered by breaking up a submission and giving Hogan brass knuckles to strike Piper with. Piper was originally awarded the decision by submission with a sleeper hold after Hogan failed to respond after having his arm raised three times, but referee Mark Curtis restarted the match after Hogan was ruled to have had his foot under the ropes. Hogan, however, clearly did not have his feet under the ropes when his hand fell the third time; Savage was supposed to pull Hogan under the ropes but did so too late.[2] Savage and Hogan then attacked Piper post-match, followed by Savage turning heel and joining the nWo.

also at one house show in 1984

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Hard to say whether it was to Piper's betterment to never really job to Hogan (even in the instance where he jobbed, he won first lol).

If he did job, would he have just been another villain of the week and not carried the momentum?

Then, there's the argument that almost every one of his damned programs had a fuck finish. He just stayed on cruise control, never really moving up the card.

I guess he wasn't going to be the top guy with Hogan there, so the holding pattern of "I'm a massive star but stuck in the midcard" was the best option.

[M-A-G]

Hogan has claimed that he was always concerned about dropping the title to Piper because there was no guarantee that Piper would return the favor.

[M-A-G]

I actually think Piper has more singles wins over Hogan than Hogan over Piper

Hogan never beat Piper in the WWF other than by DQ. They hardly wrestled each other actually. People always talk about their "feud" but it really wasn't much of a feud.

Piper beat Hogan a couple times in WCW. Actually, has Hogan ever beaten Piper by pinfall or submission in a singles match?

Yeah, that Starrcade '96 match was all kinds of terrible, made even more frustrating by it not even a title match.

[Bad News Gertner]

Looked that up yesterday but forgot...



also at one house show in 1984

When was the show? I wasn't aware that they even faced each other until The War to Settle the Score in 85

[Big Vic]

When was the show? I wasn't aware that they even faced each other until The War to Settle the Score in 85

Here's the Cage Match article on it:

https://www.cagematch.net/?id=1&nr=32698

I believe it was pinfall, Cagematch usually will only say the method of defeat if it's not pin.

[Big Vic]

They had a few other matches in 94 which ended in count out, 2 for hogan, one for piper.

[Bad News Gertner]

I had no idea that match happened

[Sting Fan]

In pure wrestling shit housery terms I'm kinda excited for Schrodingers Okada right now. Hes both amazing and shit and which one he will be longterm depends on whether he signs for the company you Stan for.

Him signing back with NJPW feels like the funniest outcome for me.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Apparently Ken Shamrock is back in the WWE fold? They’re selling merchandise for him or something. He’s a pretty obvious HOF pick post-TKO merger.

[XL]

Pretty pleased with that. Always one of the weirder “blacklisted” guys given who they’ve had back over the years.

[Lock Jaw]

Wonder if Ken Shamrock would "snap" during a HoF acceptance speech. Most certainly he would start "bleeding internally".

[Splaya]

Only if JR does the commentary talking about "he's got some broken ribs for sure"

[xrodmuc316]

I never understood what happened with Shamrock and WWE. There has never been anything about a big blow up or double cross. It is not like Shamrock left for WCW either. He was just gone and never brought back at all.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I know he left to train for some MMA at one point. His Wikipedia seems to reflect that. I know this was the case with D’Lo Brown, but did Shamrock get busted talking to WCW or something? I have vague memories of there being some sort of backstage politics factor involved. Plus he was always a Bret/Rock guy.

[Jordan]

Apparently Ken Shamrock is back in the WWE fold? They’re selling merchandise for him or something. He’s a pretty obvious HOF pick post-TKO merger.

Shamrock and his brother are on the outs with UFC, never mentioned. He deserves his shine though he's a good guy.

[Ben Rodrigues]

Shamrock and his brother are on the outs with UFC, never mentioned. He deserves his shine though he's a good guy.

This is correct. Ken pissed off Dana a few years ago and Dana publicly went after him for money he owes him.

Then again, Dana hated Tito Ortiz at one point and still inducted him into the HOF.

I think Shamrock going into the WWE HOF would be more Triple H doing business without needing Vince's approval.

[Tom Guycott]

Happy New Year to the Dubbs of The People's.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don’t think it’s been posted yet, but Kevin Dunn has given his notice to WWE.

[Sting Fan]

Really hoping the Rock return doesn't mean Cody doesn't get too "finish the story" at Wrestlemania now.

Anything but dethroning Reigns kind of feels like a consolation prize.

[Big Vic]

If Rock beats Roman for the titles it would be the dumbest decision they could make.

[Lock Jaw]

Rock should beat CM Punk on his way to main eventing WM and beating Roman

[drave]

Priest cashes in on The Rock.


Achieves:

- Roman being defeated
- The Rock not being able to stick around
- "fuckery" that will allow Reigns to get right back in the mix
- Gives Priest a brag about how he beat The Rock at WM for the title

[screech]

I'm down with that.

The mrs and I have started mentally preparing to see Cody (big meh for both of us) win the title in person.

What you proposed would be much better for us.

[Big Vic]

I only watched last years wrestlemania but thought the WM40 storyline should have went with Sami Zayn winning.

[Lock Jaw]

If they are gonna have multi-day rasslemania, they should make WM day 1 a "tournament" to see who faces Reigns on day 2.

Involve all of his biggest rivals who have been "screwed" and have legit "gripes" with him/Bloodline.

Cody Rhodes
Sami Zayn
Jey Uso
Kevin Owens
LA Knight
Drew McIntyre
Randy Orton

I guess one more guy needed. AJ Styles I guess.

I'd have Sami win, it would be a great way to get him back any semblance of the heat he had last year when he should have won the RR and beat Reigns.

[Lock Jaw]

I know there is the Royal Rumble winner too, and by all logic the winner of the RR should go for the richest prize which is clearly Reigns.... but CM Punk chose RAW over SD even though logically to prove he is "the best in the world" he should have chosen SD to take down Reigns.... so he has already gone against "logic" which means that Punk can win the Rumble and face Rollins for the second rate world title.

[Sting Fan]

The Reigns storyline is starting to feel like HHH Raw reign in that it feels like multiple chances to make someone have been missed.

Sami, Cody, whichever Uso, LA Knight.

It hasnt felt lifeless the way Trips reign was because hes not dominating all TV weekly but it still seems WWE is unable to push themselves to strike when the irons hot for a new guy.

Having him drop the title to the Rock would be a massive misstep. Maybe they will re use the Brock/Goldberg Mania storyline. I would much rather see someone get the clean pin over Roman though.

[Lock Jaw]

I will say they have built up a nice crop of guys for the fans to get behind once Reigns finally drops the belt.

Can't really get invested in Rollins' world title or anything with that.... but once Reigns drops the title and you've got all those names I just listed mixing it up and actually able to win the world title, I think "business will pick up"

[The Fraze]

The Rock vs Roman doesn't need the title. It's for the Head of the Table. Cody finishing the story means winning the WWE Title, not defeating Roman. Nonetheless, The Rock being involved, if he actually is, messes up a lot of things for WrestleMania with regard to the trajectory and longer term stories of multiple people in both title pictures.

I still somewhat think calling out Roman was for the viral moment more than anything. Just like when he mentioned it to Pat McAfee on College Gameday. They're all about social media views, clicks, and the revenue those bring in through advertisers above all it seems. Unless, the match is at Elimination Chamber. Don't think The Rock would agree to anything but WrestleMania though.

[Vastardikai]

Rock vs Roman is likely for Perth. That doesn't mean that Rock doesn't have a Wrestlemania match lined up. I am thinking of one person I would absolutely give a match to on that big a stage. Yeah!

If that actually happens, I am starting a newsletter.

[Lock Jaw]

Start one anyways. If it doesn't happen you just get to say "plans change".

[drave]

Ziggles to NJPW

[The Fraze]

It's crazy to me how dirt sheet writers have made a living on not actually knowing anything.

[xrodmuc316]

It has to be Cody at Mania, otherwise there would have been no reason to keep them apart from each other since the Mania match. They haven't touched once since that match, if they weren't going back to it there is no reason not to have had the big money rematch.

[drave]

Bigger money rematch = Rock vs (literally anyone here).

But I also don't "get" Cawdy.

[Fignuts]

He's a classic NWA style babyface who is very good at emotionally connecting with an audience.

[drave]

He will be a heel before the end of the year.

[Lock Jaw]

He's a classic NWA style babyface who is very good at emotionally connecting with an audience.

I just don't get why... he doesn't come across as particularly very genuine or believable.... always sounds rehearsed as hayell

Someone on these boards said it best I think... Cody is fantastic at playing a character but not that great when he tries to play himself.

[Fignuts]

Bigger money rematch = Rock vs (literally anyone here).

But I also don't "get" Cawdy.

Maybe, but nowhere near big enough to just throw out two years of storytelling. It's also been said many times now that WWE primarily makes their money off the brand itself as opposed to individual superstars and matches. Not that they don't sell, but they're no longer in a position where they have to shift everything they're doing just to accomodate another possible match up.

Lets not forget that mania is no longer the be all, end all for major wwe shows. They're going to want some big match ups for those other stadium shows. Summerslam and rhe Saudi shows have becomebig enough events to be the backdrop for Roman vs Rock.

But Cody has to win at mania. They've done really good job at keeping Cody over and fans invested in the story, but the longer you wait, the more you risk the fans getting tired and losing interest. Cody beats Roman at mania, and in a number of ways, it could serve as the catalyst for rock vs roman.

[drave]

I just don't get why... he doesn't come across as particularly very genuine or believable.... always sounds rehearsed as hayell

Someone on these boards said it best I think... Cody is fantastic at playing a character but not that great when he tries to play himself.

That's pretty accurate I think. Maybe this is what I've tried to convey. To me, his entrance is the best part of his whole package. Like Bobby Roode's theme being more over than he is.

Maybe, but nowhere near big enough to just throw out two years of storytelling. It's also been said many times now that WWE primarily makes their money off the brand itself as opposed to individual superstars and matches. Not that they don't sell, but they're no longer in a position where they have to shift everything they're doing just to accomodate another possible match up.

Lets not forget that mania is no longer the be all, end all for major wwe shows. They're going to want some big match ups for those other stadium shows. Summerslam and rhe Saudi shows have becomebig enough events to be the backdrop for Roman vs Rock.

But Cody has to win at mania. They've done really good job at keeping Cody over and fans invested in the story, but the longer you wait, the more you risk the fans getting tired and losing interest. Cody beats Roman at mania, and in a number of ways, it could serve as the catalyst for rock vs roman.

They don't HAVE to, no. But just as in times past, they indeed move mountains for The Rock. I can see them bumping the Cawdy angle for the bigger cash grab because they've done it many times before. That's one of the reasons I started to have waning interest years ago. Lotsa work, lotsa build that would end up as a "schmoz" (thanks, Bret) or other general fuckery that just kinda made everything up to it, pointless.

Hell, that exists with Reigns now, with the amount of interference that goes on in nearly all of his matches. I haven't done the math, but nearly every single defense, the end is the same: interference from someone, will they / won't they, Reigns retains.

Rock v Reigns, even for a lapsed casual fan, has WAY more appeal than Cody v Reigns, which only appeals to those who already regularly watch and know the "long story", if they even remember.

[Sting Fan]

Riddle for NJPW seems like a good get. He might fit well there with his legit background.

[XL]

I imagine HHH has had the top Mania matches planned for a little while now but they won’t have planned to have Punk or Rock (if they actually do have him). So this could really be a case of “plans change”.

I’d be quite down for Cody “finishing the story” beating Roman at Mania, Roman going off the deep end with The Bloodline stuff and Rock coming in to challenge for “Head of the Table” at SummerSlam finally closing that storyline off.

I don’t think you have Rock take the title off Reigns. It’s too big of a “feather in the cap” to give to a guy just coming in for a short run. How do you get the belt off him? I’ve seen a cash in by Priest to move the belt off Rock but again, this title win should be the thing that cements someone in the “top spot” not a cheap win via MITB.

Reminds me of The Streak win going to Lesnar and the big win over Lesnar was…Taker. Had the chance to really cement someone with the win over Taker at Mania (and you could argue it took Lesnar to another level anyway) or the win over Lesnar subsequently.

They’ve got themselves into a nice place where there are a number of guys “bubbling under”. Cody, Seth, Punk, Knight, Jey Uso, rumours of Sami being positioned into a title contender, Drew who you can fold in.

Really interesting road to WrestleMania.

[XL]

Also, lol at the rumours that HHH’s announcement was going to be a working relationship with TNA and ended up being MITB announced for Toronto. Talk about getting carried away.

[xrodmuc316]

Yeah not sure why they are hyping up a PPV location as a big announcement. Of all the things they could copy from AEW, hyped up lame announcements is not what they should be rolling with.

[Tom Guycott]

Start one anyways. If it doesn't happen you just get to say "plans change".

Wouldn't that be gimmick infringement for Meltzy?

[Mr. Nerfect]

That was a weird fuss to make over a location. I wonder if the arena paid for it, because it does seem to be a week in that building.

[Tom Guycott]

Riddle for NJPW seems like a good get. He might fit well there with his legit background.

... if he can keep his piss clean.

I don't even mean that as a knock on him. I'm being serious in the same way the whole nebulous "criminal activity" thing pops up for certain people trying to work up in Canada. Riddle makes even HALF the extracarricular noise over there than he did here in the States, and they'll prob'ly toss his ass into the ocean faster than any plane would land to cart him away civilly.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Cody wins the belt in Australia, I think. Roman doesn’t want to wrestle Rock, so Rock makes it personal. Rock gets to endorse the younger guy.

Rock vs. Roman is something you know they’ve wanted to do forever and a day. It will go back through their lives, their football days, Rock raising Roman’s arm, etc. I don’t agree that is them throwing away story. The video package for Rock and Roman is likely going to be a special one.

[Tom Guycott]

Also, lol at the rumours that HHH’s announcement was going to be a working relationship with TNA and ended up being MITB announced for Toronto. Talk about getting carried away.

Yeah not sure why they are hyping up a PPV location as a big announcement. Of all the things they could copy from AEW, hyped up lame announcements is not what they should be rolling with.

That was a weird fuss to make over a location. I wonder if the arena paid for it, because it does seem to be a week in that building.

Not exactly like this is new, though. WWE has been doing that for ages. Yes, it's usually centered around WrestleMania and/or Summer Slam, but they've been hyping cities forever even well after the city stopped being one of those "FIRST TIME EVAR" deals. They kinda wore the rope down from that well with how many times they ran :Vince voice: "Toronto Sky Dome!!"

[Mr. Nerfect]

I think Punk wore black trunks in MSG for a reason. I think he calls out Austin after failing to win the Rumble. It won’t be a heated feud or anything, but it could tell a great story. Punk doesn’t get his Mania main event. He needs to sharpen his claws. It could be the biggest mistake of his life, since he could realistically get his ass kicked, but to be the Best in the World he needs to defeat the best of all-time. The other icon of Attitude.

Austin shows up and aw hell son, it was all nice and quiet on the Broken Skull Ranch until he heard his name being hollered.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I was hoping the announcement would be a TV announcement with lip service paid to the Money in the Bank thing. And then MJF crashes the show!

[Mr. Nerfect]

I decided to check out how TNA’s Hard to Kill card was shaping up.

* I’m kind of done with Brian Myers. He’s in a tag team with Eddie Edwards. They’re going against Frankie Kazarian & Eric Young. I’m sure it will be solid work, but it’s hard to care about these teams. They all have more preferred partners lol. It would be funny if Davey Richards, Matt Cardona, Scorpio Sky, etc. all showed up.

* Crazzy Steve is still around. He’s having a hardcore match against Tommy Dreamer, who is still around. Not that interesting to me.

* Rich Swann vs. Steve Maclin. A match between two former TNA “World” Champs.

* There’s a giant clusterfuck for the tag belts. Eh, it looks like a slightly better than scene than AEW. Mike Bailey & Trent Seven in a team is interesting. They’ve got the Grizzled Young Vets too. Eh.

* Chris Sabin is defending the X-Division Title against El Hijo del Vikingo and Kushida. Two smaller guys you’ve at least heard of.

* There’s a Women’s Ultimate X match. A stronger scene than the AEW one, I’m sure.

* Dirty Dango vs. PCO. A match between two legends.

* Alex Hammerstone is apparently doing something with TNA. I’m glad to see he hasn’t fallen into the trap of signing with AEW. He’s going against Josh Alexander. Will Ospreay must have gotten pulled, which is a shame for them.

* Trinity vs. Jordynne Grace. I’m not invested, but TNA has always had the “better” women’s wrestling outside WWE.

* Alex Shelley vs. Moose should probably be solid. You’d think Moose would be taking the belt here, right?

I wonder if there will be any surprises? There are a bunch of WWE talent that could be free, maybe even a Kamille or Richard Holliday too.

[Mr. Nerfect]

No Joe Hendry on the card? I suspect he’ll end up somewhere. Maybe in a match with Bully Ray or something?

[drave]

Joe Hardy in the Impact Zone!

[M-A-G]

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[drave]

BAH GAWD!!!!!

HE's BITING HIM REF!!!! GET IN THERE AND STOP THAT!!!! THAT DASTARDLY SUMBITCH!

[Tom Guycott]

Joe Hardy in the Impact Zone!

Say his name and he appears; I believe in Jeff Harvey...

[Sepholio]

TK going nanners again. This time he's trying to hinder Jinder.

[Ben Rodrigues]

USA Network appears to have started it with a legit question. I mean, what was the cagematch rating?

[Ben Rodrigues]

What if this series of tweets from Tony leads to Jinder becoming the next LA Knight!?

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don’t think it will get that far (no one really cares about AEW), but holy fuck is Tony Khan fucking stupid.

First of all, it’s not a double-standard that people prefer the better overall product. It betrays you don’t know how to book. Hook getting 28 wins against nobodies doesn’t mean shit. You haven’t brought him along any and it shows. Jinder just traded fisticuffs in an angle with The Rock.

And it’s more blame the fans shit. Like they’re somehow at fault for not liking oranges when they enjoy apples.

He doesn’t fucking get it. At all. And he brags about not getting it.

[Bad News Gertner]

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[Tom Guycott]

First of all, it’s not a double-standard that people prefer the better overall product. It betrays you don’t know how to book. Hook getting 28 wins against nobodies doesn’t mean shit. You haven’t brought him along any and it shows. Jinder just traded fisticuffs in an angle with The Rock.




The following has paid for itself already:

You’d think that would be a no-brainer before putting him in this spot, but this is AEW.

Told you it was evergreen.

[Big Vic]

Miss Gertners GIFs :(

[road doggy dogg]

what's up with like 1,000 guests viewing this thread rn...

[Big Vic]

Maybe there's lewds somewhere in here.

[Sepholio]

RP BBC pics driving traffic

[Bad News Gertner]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

For people who missed it, Nic Nemeth bypassed AEW and chose to go to TNA.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I saw a clip of Bryan Alvarez wearing a cap for his podcast. Is he also balding, or is he just doing it to help Dave cover up?

[Big Vic]

For people who missed it, Nic Nemeth bypassed AEW and chose to go to TNA.

Every time I see this post I read it as "Nic Nemeth passed away"

[Sting Fan]

Fucking wild week for WWE. Rock on the TKO board, huge! WWE to Netflix, massive! The turd Vince took on a staff member, immense.

Brock being implicated feels like it changed the Mania card. Frankly this coming out may change the Mania card by keeping Rock off of it.

[The Fraze]

Slim Jim aren't the only ones passing around meat sticks.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I watched some TNA recently. YouTube clips, since I’m not sure if TNA is any better off than AEW in terms of Australian exposure. It looked…good. Nothing blow-away, but I could watch more.

They actually try to work matches over there. It wasn’t just choreographed flips. They try and honor the basics. I’m not sure if they still do cinematic matches over music videos and have murder and all that on their show. That would turn me off.

Josh Alexander and Will Ospreay had a cracking match. They even tried to incorporate a table organically. And they made a point of the referee using their discretion to keep the match going.

I dunno, I’m rooting for TNA. More so than lazy AEW anyway.

[The Fraze]

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[Tom Guycott]

For people who missed it, Nic Nemeth bypassed AEW and chose to go to TNA.

Every time I see this post I read it as "Nic Nemeth passed away"

Dolph Ziggler passed away. Nic Nemeth rose from the ashes.

Now that he's in TNA, there's still time to change to white gear, bring a bicycle pump, and have music that only plays while he moves (old "Dig Duggler" joke that nobody here even remembers).

[Tom Guycott]

In a sentiment I've stated elsewhere:

It's pretty wild that Naomi's return was bolstered by acknoledgement that she was, in fact, a former TNA's women's champion... and then a few spots later, CURRENT TNA ladies* champ Jordynne Grace shows up.

Just a decade ago, AJ Styles had to go to NJPW to wash the proverbial "stink" of TNA off of him before heading to WWE and any iteration of TNA and/or Impact was "persona non grata". Now, we just have folks from the promotion just able to show up on a PPV without a backalley trade (that thing where there was a one-night swap for Christian for Ric Flair) or pretending they just fell off the planet the entire time they were working there (up to and including the time RVD showed up in both places the same week).

*I actually accidentally wrote " ladie's " and considered not correcting it. Maybe might do it on purpose in the future.

[The Fraze]

In a sentiment I've stated elsewhere:

It's pretty wild that Naomi's return was bolstered by acknoledgement that she was, in fact, a former TNA's women's champion... and then a few spots later, CURRENT TNA ladie's champ Jordynne Grace shows up.

Just a decade ago, AJ Styles had to go to NJPW to wash the proverbial "stink" of TNA off of him before heading to WWE and any iteration of TNA and/or Impact was "persona non grata". Now, we just have folks from the promotion just able to show up on a PPV without a backalley trade (that thing where there was a one-night swap for Christian for Ric Flair) or pretending they just fell off the planet the entire time they were working there (up to and including the time RVD showed up in both places the same week).

I think the kids are saying that Triple H is "cooking." Perhaps that should have been his gimmick instead of The Rock.

[Tom Guycott]

That's in a parallel universe. The same universe where Owen Hart became The Game.

[The Fraze]

That's in a parallel universe. The same universe where Owen Hart became The Game.

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[Tom Guycott]

I watched some TNA recently. YouTube clips, since I’m not sure if TNA is any better off than AEW in terms of Australian exposure. It looked…good. Nothing blow-away, but I could watch more.

They actually try to work matches over there. It wasn’t just choreographed flips. They try and honor the basics. I’m not sure if they still do cinematic matches over music videos and have murder and all that on their show. That would turn me off.

Josh Alexander and Will Ospreay had a cracking match. They even tried to incorporate a table organically. And they made a point of the referee using their discretion to keep the match going.

I dunno, I’m rooting for TNA. More so than lazy AEW anyway.

I get the meme is "LOL TNA", but I've been tangentially looking that way through the years. They're trying. They're actually trying. It's been slow and steady and they've made a lot of headway since the whole "Broken Matt is keeping the corpse of the company alfoat" days. It took other people attempting (primarily NWA and AEW) for them to finally stop trying to out WWE the WWE. Their top stars - in spite of mostly technically being castoffs from elsewhere like MOOSE from RoH and Steve Maclin(Cutler) from NXT, and Josh Alexander growing from former tag partner of Ethan Page to quite possibly their biggest homegown talent since they days of pushing guys like Matt Morgan and Hernandez.

It has become a lot more tolerable while nobody was looking. There's still shit that is pretty "meh", but unfortunately that is everywhere anymore. Feels weird that rebranding back to TNA is, to them, a step forward... but aside from that, they seem to be doing more earnestly what AEW was supposed to be doing before TK decided to try to convince everyone that everything is great! :ding:

[Mr. Nerfect]

Yeah, nothing is really blowing me away, but it’s way better than AEW, which is so self-assured even though it is just white noise. And looking away for a long time has actually helped.

The rebranding is not something I thought I would be behind, but I guess there are young adults and wrestlers now who have known TNA their entire lives. It’s weird to think of it as having some sort of nostalgia value.

[Lock Jaw]

@Noid what do you think of The Rock now? Been interested to hear your thoughts on the matter and you haven't come to the new forums....

[Mr. Nerfect]

The Rock being back in any capacity is sort of surreal. You don’t get performers like him and we’re spoilt to have him back. I think it’s cute some fans still take wrestling serious enough that they’re invested enough to get this bent out of a shape of a perceived sleight against Cody not having the biggest match at Mania.

I’d have Cody cut a promo on Seth about their history and how Cody can see the moves if he chose Roman. Paul Heyman would call the same number Seth has always had and The Shield would band together at least for one night to make sure Cody doesn’t win the belt. So Cody has to give Seth his main event, and he kind of hates him for that.

As for Roman/Rock, I do hope the match over-delivers. I’d honestly be happy for Rock to win.

[Lock Jaw]

I have seen some non-rassling fans or casual rassling fans post on Facebook about how they are excited about The Rock, so I get it... but yeah, a lot of the more "serious" rassling fans are upset...

Personally I don't care about Cody being "slighted" because I still don't like the guy that much... but I do care about the whole Roman story and feel "so bad" that it was "so hot" last year and had a potential "perfect end" with Zayn beating Roman at WM.... but then Cody got the shot instead and didn't win, and then the entire Bloodline story and everyone involved was cooled down to the point where a potential Cody/Roman rematch was just "Ugh, just end it and have Cody win"

A Rock/Roman match does have the potential to get some heat back, but I honestly wouldn't be happy for a Rock win... would just totally derail any potential "star making moment" that beating Roman would have. Which, to be fair, has already been derailed a good deal by randomly making another World Title and cooling the whole story down.

Also, Cody/Seth really have to turn around their feud/match with some good promos. Rollins cut a good promo on RAW hyping up his phony title belt.... but then Roman quite easily (verbally) eviscerated Rollins and his title on SD... and Cody comes out and doesn't really disagree with him and says the title he wants is Roman's.... but now he will go away.

So hopefully on RAW Cody can actually talk up Rollins' title a little bit and at least TRY to make it seem like he actually does want it.

[Lock Jaw]

Very interested to hear how the "smarkish" WM crowd would respond to a Rock/Roman match....

[Lock Jaw]

Would be "cool" if out of all this we get heel Corporate Rock sticking around a bit

[Mr. Nerfect]

The video packages for Rock and Roman are going to be out of this world good. There’s a story there that people have been begging to get basically every year since this Roman stuff started. This is what the whole Bloodline thing was leading up to.

Cody was likely never going to get it. They’ll always find a reason to move past him. You don’t get to smash the throne and get away with it.

[Mr. Nerfect]

On Seth/Cody: I think they should make it about Seth and Cody’s history, going back to NXT when Dusty was there. Seth is obsessed with Cody and has something he needs to prove. If Cody chose Roman, Seth would have screwed him. “You’re goddamn right I would have.” It becomes about a match both guys feel they need to win — Cody to validate himself as the man who can be the business and establish a new belt for Netflix and the future. Seth because Cody just beats him constantly. Both men can use the “I need to beat you” line.

[Big Vic]

I don't really watch anymore and I think it's pretty stupid Cody gave up the shot for some reason.

[Big Vic]

Also Romans belt represents 2 belts right?

Why don't they have Roman defend the WWE title against Cody and the universal title against the Rock?

[Big Vic]

I have seen some non-rassling fans or casual rassling fans post on Facebook about how they are excited about The Rock, so I get it... but yeah, a lot of the more "serious" rassling fans are upset...

Personally I don't care about Cody being "slighted" because I still don't like the guy that much... but I do care about the whole Roman story and feel "so bad" that it was "so hot" last year and had a potential "perfect end" with Zayn beating Roman at WM.
As someone who only tuned in to last years WM I was hoping after beating the Uso's Sami would win the Rumble this year and take down Roman.

I'm not a huge fan of Cody but this swerve doesn't make sense.

[Lock Jaw]

Yeah, I was hoping they would use the year to build up Sami as a "legit" contender.... instead they cooled him off to the point where he could enter number 30 in the Rumble and only last two minutes and no one would care.

[Big Vic]

Once CM punk was injured in the Rumble they should have called an audible to have him win it. Then he gives his speech on Monday.

Roman gloats on Smackdown and then the Rock comes out.

[XL]

This is genius creative leading to a Triple Threat at Mania where fall one is for the belt and fall two is for the moniker of Head of the Table.

They’ve put Cody over more by “cucking” him than by any other booking choice they’ve made. Even fans that were indifferent about Cody vs. Roman II are on the #WeWantCody bandwagon.

Let’s go back 10 years to Mania 30 where they setup for Batista vs. Orton and we demanded Bryan.

10 years further back and we had HHH vs HBK but we wanted <s>Benoit</s>.

And another 10 years with the Bret/Luger/Yoko deal.

It’s a Mania tradition at this point.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don’t want a Triple Threat. At least when it comes to Rock/Roman/Cody.

[The Fraze]

Zero chance they make it a triple threat. The Rock and Roman in a match will absolutely only be one on one. We won't really know if they're going to correct their mistake until the press conference on Thursday.

The Rock needs to challenge Roman for the Head of the Table at WM 41 in Las Vegas next year and also, say that when it comes to the WWE Championship at WM 40, that is Cody's story to finish.

[Bad News Gertner]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

Zero chance they make it a triple threat. The Rock and Roman in a match will absolutely only be one on one. We won't really know if they're going to correct their mistake until the press conference on Thursday.

The Rock needs to challenge Roman for the Head of the Table at WM 41 in Las Vegas next year and also, say that when it comes to the WWE Championship at WM 40, that is Cody's story to finish.

Rock raising Cody’s hand in Philly would be quite poetic given the finish to the 2015 Royal Rumble.

[The Fraze]

Rock raising Cody’s hand in Philly would be quite poetic given the finish to the 2015 Royal Rumble.

Would be perfect if The Rock's involvement is preventing Solo and Jimmy from interfering in the match, but nothing further so Cody's win is "clean." Thus kicking off the year long build between Roman and The Rock for Head of the Table at WM 41 in Las Vegas.

[The Fraze]

One positive from Smackdown is I think The Rock's new shirt is sick.

[XL]

Cody to attack and injure Rock at the press conference and sign the contract himself.

Rock, as the People’s Champ, hears what the people are saying and what they want and gives the title match back to Cody. We get night one Cody vs Roman for the belt, Rock vs Roman for “Head of the Table”. Roman loses both, world collapses, goes on hiatus for 6 months. Seth doesn’t need to be in the main event, was only there for Punk.

[XL]

Those are 2 different options, not one following on from the other.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Would be perfect if The Rock's involvement is preventing Solo and Jimmy from interfering in the match, but nothing further so Cody's win is "clean." Thus kicking off the year long build between Roman and The Rock for Head of the Table at WM 41 in Las Vegas.

If I could determine when Rock wrestles — something like that is ideal to me. If not Mania 41, you can boost Night of Champions, Money in the Bank or SummerSlam with Rock/Roman.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Cody to attack and injure Rock at the press conference and sign the contract himself.

Rock, as the People’s Champ, hears what the people are saying and what they want and gives the title match back to Cody. We get night one Cody vs Roman for the belt, Rock vs Roman for “Head of the Table”. Roman loses both, world collapses, goes on hiatus for 6 months. Seth doesn’t need to be in the main event, was only there for Punk.

I think this is what they might do, minus the attack part. Rock listens to the people, Cody listens to the people. They’ve got a problem. They both want WrestleMania. Why not do both?

Cody challenges for the belt night 1. Rock raises his arm. Night 2 is Rock and Roman in the personal issue. That one breaks down and the finish sees Cody blasting Roman with the belt into a Rock Bottom.

WWE sends the message that both men are heroes and can pretend this was clever architecture to get both main events signed and delivered and not a messy wave they managed to somehow ride into shore.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Drew wins the Elimination Chamber and gets the World Heavyweight Title shot. Drew wins that match, finally gets his vindication…only for Damian Priest to cash in MITB.

[Vastardikai]

Drew wins the Elimination Chamber and gets the World Heavyweight Title shot. Drew wins that match, finally gets his vindication…only for Damian Priest to cash in MITB.

Damian leaves Judgement Day in the meantime.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The Rock tore into “Cody crybabies” on Pat McAfee’s show. Pretty entertaining stuff.

[XL]

I think this is what they might do, minus the attack part. Rock listens to the people, Cody listens to the people. They’ve got a problem. They both want WrestleMania. Why not do both?

Cody challenges for the belt night 1. Rock raises his arm. Night 2 is Rock and Roman in the personal issue. That one breaks down and the finish sees Cody blasting Roman with the belt into a Rock Bottom.

WWE sends the message that both men are heroes and can pretend this was clever architecture to get both main events signed and delivered and not a messy wave they managed to somehow ride into shore.

It even fits in with the issues between Roman and Aldis and the focus they’ve put on Roman NOT wrestling. Now he’s forced into wrestling back-to-back nights. Gives him something to go off beyond Mania. Then you’ve got options with what you want to do with him on his return. Jacob Fatu is a free agent now, bring him in and either have him join the Bloodline as a reinforcement or have him be Roman’s fixer and they run roughshod over SmackDown. Or maybe there’s an appetite for a face run at this point.

Seth vs. Punk was a main event match based largely on Punk being back and finally getting that main event slot (albeit on Night 1), Seth vs. Cody will be a good match but it’s going to stick of “less than” and sort of finishing the story. Seth vs. Drew will be a good match but is there steam for it to main event?

Seth/Drew as a hot opener works and The Fall of the Roman Empire as a two part closing act tops off both nights. Easy.

[Sting Fan]

The Wrestlemania backflip thing today was pretty clunky and awkward. I wonder if they will try and put the Rock in it and make it a 3 way.

Surely after all this Cody has to win right?

[Ben Rodrigues]

Lets go...

Night 1 - Roman/Rock vs Cody/Seth. Break down between Roman and Rock leading to Cody and Seth winning.

Night 2 - Cody vs Roman with The Rock helping Cody. Sets up Roman vs Rock for next year.

[Ben Rodrigues]

You could also do Cody vs Rock at Summerslam.

[The Fraze]

Nobody is working both nights. The tag match happens at Elimination Chamber if at all. The Rock aligns with Roman trying to get this "fixed" before inevitably stopping the Bloodline from interfering at WM XL, costing Roman his title. If the EC tag match happens, The Rock and Roman go over by way of a Drew McIntyre interference and claymore-ing Seth into oblivion. Everyone is preserved, nobody looks weak, the main events for both nights are set.

Thus, Cody wins the WWE Championship, The Rock and Roman have a major start to their build for either next year or whenever they decide to do it this year, and Seth still main events night one against Drew.

It's not that difficult.

[XL]

Do you do a “if Rock/Roman win they get the match, if Cody/Seth wins Cody gets Roman” type deal?

I think the rumour was Roman wasn’t working EC but plans do change as we know.

[Mr. Nerfect]

The Wrestlemania backflip thing today was pretty clunky and awkward. I wonder if they will try and put the Rock in it and make it a 3 way.

Surely after all this Cody has to win right?

Hahahaha!

[Mr. Nerfect]

Lets go...

Night 1 - Roman/Rock vs Cody/Seth. Break down between Roman and Rock leading to Cody and Seth winning.

Night 2 - Cody vs Roman with The Rock helping Cody. Sets up Roman vs Rock for next year.

This seems pretty perfect. I don’t really see Rock working two nights. I don’t know how dependable his body is going to be.

[Sting Fan]

The Scott D'Amore thing seems silly by TNA. I dont really follow the product but seems like people were into what they were doing and the talent seemed to put that down to Scott.

[Mr. Nerfect]

It seems likely there is more to the story. Scandal, conduct, stakeholders/business partners not wanting to work with D’Amore, etc.

[The Fraze]

One thing is for sure, none of us know anything. Including the dirt sheet writers.

[XL]

After SmackDown, does it move to Reigns (w/ The Rock) vs. Rhodes (w/ HHH)?

Bloodline get involved, DX music hits, Road Dogg and X-Pac come out to neutralise Solo/Jimmy (think HHH/Sting at Mania). Take ALL the focus off the current guys to run an Attitude Era nostalgia angle.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Oh wow, I don’t think I can see that. Your post has made me think that it’s not impossible. Trips does a Vince 2000 and helps Roman because it’s “best for business.” I really hope not.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I was just thinking: As head and shoulders above where it normally would be, and the whole mountain between it and its closest competition — it is darkly weird that Triple H seems way more at risk of being fired from his current role than he ever was as a wrestler.

[The Fraze]

Really don't think they would undo all of the good they are seeing from Triple H being in charge.

[XL]

Dunno man. TNA just offed D’Amore who was doing a decent job there. Boneheaded decisions from corporate aren’t rare.

[The Fraze]

The Rock hopefully won't be that dense.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Really don't think they would undo all of the good they are seeing from Triple H being in charge.

Nah, but I’m just thinking about the stress of the job, and how it’s weird he’s probably more vulnerable now than he ever was when he was top talent.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Dunno man. TNA just offed D’Amore who was doing a decent job there. Boneheaded decisions from corporate aren’t rare.

They’re not, but I’m waiting to hear what comes of the D’Amore thing.

[Tom Guycott]

They’re not, but I’m waiting to hear what comes of the D’Amore thing.

As much as there are people expecting it to be a scandal thing, I'm hoping it's more like The Escapist/Second Wind fiasco where business people in a suit do a corporate bonehead maneuver where they have to prove they understand business by not understanding business.

Besides, it isn't like this is uncharted territory for TNA. Remember, the whole reason why NWA is even a thing right now is because 1/3rd of The Smashing Pumpkins was given the impression that he bought into ownership of Impact until it was revealed he didn't actually and he got pissed and fucked off. And later they also used Matt Hardy's attention and money to stay afloat for a spell and tried to turn around and sue him for his own gimmick afterwards.

Corporate dumbassery in and of itself is a strong probability.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Oh, it’s definitely not impossible. I also think D’Amore has possibly made it hard for himself by being so “independent.” He’s definitely anchored the product around himself in a way that, ironically, could potentially have made him indispensable to TNA. He was trying to be the Paul Heyman of it.

And while TNA has been solid for TNA, it really has been the bare minimum. We’re just not used to that. Put Lance Storm in charge of booking and it will probably get even better.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Enjoyed Raw last week, but couldn’t bring myself to watch it this week. WWE has a long way to go to properly win me back.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Please let it go to 2 hrs when Netflix takes over. Is there a reason for them to want a 3 hr show?

[Ben Rodrigues]

Didn't get a chance to watch RAW properly this week (had to fast forward most of it to get the highlights) but they've changed the presentation quite a bit. I like what I saw.

Michael Chandler is usually a great talker. I think the moment got to him and he started yelling the Conor call out which didn't come across well. First we see "retired UFC welterweight" CM Punk at UFC 298 and now this. Let the cross over continue!

[Ben Rodrigues]

Please let it go to 2 hrs when Netflix takes over. Is there a reason for them to want a 3 hr show?

I'd be shocked if it stays at 3 hours. There is no economic benefit.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I noticed a few of those changes last week. Showing guys arriving at the arena at different times and even just kicking things off with a match are appreciated.

[Mr. Nerfect]

We could also see the end of the roster split. If Netflix thinks synergy between the shows is better for performance, I don’t think NBC Universal is going to cry too much about having access to the big stars that are no doubt going to be featured on Netflix.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I had no clue Scott Stanford still works for WWE. He’s been there since 2009.

[Ben Rodrigues]

I noticed a few of those changes last week. Showing guys arriving at the arena at different times and even just kicking things off with a match are appreciated.

The change with the replay jumped out at me. McAfee was breaking down the Samoan Spike with lines on the screen similar to what you see in sports. Only going to get better from here.

[Ben Rodrigues]

We could also see the end of the roster split. If Netflix thinks synergy between the shows is better for performance, I don’t think NBC Universal is going to cry too much about having access to the big stars that are no doubt going to be featured on Netflix.

Makes sense. For $5 billion I suppose you'd want to do everything you can to get people watching

[Mr. Nerfect]

I noticed a few new camera angles on Raw last week actually. Thought they were pretty cool.

[XL]

If you didn’t watch Raw this week, do seek out the R Truth segment. It actually had be laughing.

[The Fraze]

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[mitchables]

aw yeah sports fans it is almost time for ELIMINATION CHAMBER which i will enjoy LIVE at the REASONABLE HOUR of like. 10pm i guess. i need to look it up. stupid perth

i am not going

because it is in perth, presumably because taylor swift is in sydney this weekend (although she's played melbourne already so idk why they didn't go there to get 3x the crowd size)

and fuck off am i flying to perth for it

stoked to watch a PLE live not in the middle of the day for once though

[Mr. Nerfect]

If you didn’t watch Raw this week, do seek out the R Truth segment. It actually had be laughing.

I can’t wait for R-Truth to win the Tag Team Titles with The Miz at WrestleMania, to the approval of his childhood hero, John Cena.

[Mr. Nerfect]

So Dave Meltzer has kind of been stooging himself off a bit lately. The whole Rock/Triple H thing kind of exposed that he doesn’t research, will jump to conclusions (“it was all over social media”) and that he will just flat-out make up his backstage sources (he “asked around” and people backstage agreed with him…).

Even if he was at one time reputable, it seems about time to admit that he isn’t anymore.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Anyway, something optimistic:

I really want to see Chad Gable have a feud with Dominik Mysterio. Both guys could use a singles match at WrestleMania. Have Dom pin Chad in a multi-man tag to warm Judgment Day up for Mania. Dom then brags about being the true alpha and a real American hero unlike that undisciplined Chad Gable.

Make it happen, WWE.

[Maluco]

So Dave Meltzer has kind of been stooging himself off a bit lately. The whole Rock/Triple H thing kind of exposed that he doesn’t research, will jump to conclusions (“it was all over social media”) and that he will just flat-out make up his backstage sources (he “asked around” and people backstage agreed with him…).

Even if he was at one time reputable, it seems about time to admit that he isn’t anymore.

He is, and has always been, a bluffer of the highest order. He says absolutely nothing of substance and charges for it. He keeps it all as vague and open as possible so he can never actually be wrong and, for a journalist, his English is terrible.

It’s impressive how he has been able to tap into a rabid fanbase for so many years and manipulate the fact that the most rabid of them want to feel like they are in the know, and have been willing to pay for nothing for so many years.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Vicious. Can’t say you’re wrong though.

Back in the day, I do think he had more sources available to him he could piece together something that was at least partially based in reality. But why am I defending him at all when it’s obvious he doesn’t have any scruples when it comes to what he fabricates or not?

[Gerard]

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:rofl:

[Seanny One Ball]

Imagine doing poos on women, but in a degrading way

[Seanny One Ball]

Somewhere on planet Earth somebody somewhere sometime has definitely pooped directly into a woman’s vagina before.

Think about that for a minute.

[Ben Rodrigues]

10.

I appreciate that WWE stuff isn't leaking to the dirt sheets.

[The Fraze]

Love that this new regime is exposing dirt sheet writers for making a living not knowing anything by just not leaking shit.

[Ben Rodrigues]

The 20 minute promo The Rock released on Twitter was outstanding. The walking clown show Seth Rollins line is gold!

[The Fraze]

This heel character has me so hyped.

[Rammsteinmad]

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DDP helping Buff Bagwell and Scotty Riggs.