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[Fignuts]

He reduced his punishment to a fine, and his main problem wasn't necessarily that they they were a face and heel hanging out together, but rather a face and heel who are currently in a program together hanging out.

Even then, his main issue wasn't that they were doing it, but rather it was found out that they were doing it. I don't think he even blamed Sonya and Mandy for it, as it was mentioned The Sheik used to hang out with faces occasionally. But no matter the circumstances, if a face was caught fraternizing with a heel in the old days, they were fined or fired.

It's an old school mentality that isn't relevant today. I agree with cornette on how the actual wrestling programming should be done to make the viewer forget that it's scripted and lose themselves in the story, but wrestlers adhering to kayfabe outside the ring isn't going to bring any of the "magic" wrestling had, back. That toothpaste is never going back in the bottle no matter what you do, so I don't expect wrestlers to live their lives by those old standards.

Within reason of course. I don't care about faces and heels hanging out or doing podcasts, but stuff like Jericho and Omega doing a podcast about their match literally the day afterwards is a bit much.

[Emperor Smeat]

The transcript for that episode mentioned him first saying WWE should have fined them and then changing his mind saying they should have been fired instead.

Cornette was mad at the fact that Rose and Deville broke kayfabe by staying together (as that information came out during the Sonya Deville – stalker incident).

“It’s okay if they were in their homes together and then nobody found out, but if it becomes public they must be fined.”

Cornette then changed his mind and said that they should be fired for it.

“Hair vs. Hair match… Oh for f*ck’s sake! Well, they’re both attractive looking young ladies, so who’s gonna bite that bullet. One of them is just going to shave their f*cking head.

Well, once again if I mean I’m all in favor. That’s a match you can’t call. The finish to it, and I think it would be a big draw, if they could actually sell tickets. They can’t even sell pay-per-view because there’s no such thing anymore. It’s on the network, right? So why the f*ck would either one of them want to get their head shaved?

Are they just paying a bonus for the hell of it? But nevertheless, okay they’re wrestling on the big show. They’re just in the world wide news in each other’s home.

I say f*cking fire them! I’d fire them. Fire them in six months like they did with Gallows and Anderson. When they fired then it was convenient, but fun. Got to be consistent f*cking sh*tting on their f*cking match right in their home.”

[Fignuts]

Him and Meltzer have had some really bad opinions and views on women's wrestling in recent times.

He's not wrong about a lot of it. He clarified recently that they're trying to push women as equally as men when there aren't nearly as many good female workers as there are men.

Again, as I've said many times, the Women's Revolution doesn't really work because they don't have the depth ton the roster to make it work. You've got a handful of good to great workers, and the rest are anywhere from tolerable to the drizzling shits. And they seem to really like pushing the ones who are the drizzling shits.

What I don't agree with cornette is WHO can work. He doesn't seem to like any of the japanese women, for instance, whereas I'd argue they're the most polished female workers there. Hell, most people would agree Asuka and Kairi, were the most entertaining act for a while on Raw and Smackdown.

Meanwhile, he fawns over Rhea Ripley who is certainly talented, but also still green as grass. I like her, and I think she'll eventually join that handful of great workers, but as of right now, I don't get perticularly hyped for her matches.

[Fignuts]

The transcript for that episode mentioned him first saying WWE should have fined them and then changing his mind saying they should have been fired instead.

I think that was just him getting worked up by Brian Last.

[Fignuts]

Either way, I'm not agreeing with him or anything. Just saying his opinion on it is more because of the time he worked in the business and how it would have played out then, as opposed to hm just being a terrible person or anything like that.

[Gerard]

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Flair with what looks like a wwf tag team belt. Must have been after he sent the proper belt back.

[Emperor Smeat]

He's not wrong about a lot of it. He clarified recently that they're trying to push women as equally as men when there aren't nearly as many good female workers as there are men.

Again, as I've said many times, the Women's Revolution doesn't really work because they don't have the depth ton the roster to make it work. You've got a handful of good to great workers, and the rest are anywhere from tolerable to the drizzling shits. And they seem to really like pushing the ones who are the drizzling shits.


I'd blame WWE's general incompetence way more for any failures with the Women's Revolution and Evolution movements than anything depth or talent related.

I'd also argue that WWE does have the depth needed to make it be a real game changer but have been constantly stunting its true potential because they simply can't get away from their bad habits. NXT has already shown that when you take away WWE's bad approach to things, a women's division can easily thrive and be just as successful in carrying a brand as their men's division.

Like only WWE could take something as monumental as women main eventing Mania for the first time and instead of using that as the springboard of the next big phase, they quickly squander all of that momentum because they never actually cared about it to begin with. That showed big time once Ronda left.

[Jordan]

I don't really like women's wrestling. Women's MMA is different but I'm just not into women's wrestling beyond the greats.

[Bad News Gertner]

This is sooooooo fucking cool



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[Emperor Smeat]

"Bullet" Bob Armstrong passed away today.

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[Bad News Gertner]

So sad. One tough morherfucker.

[Seanny One Ball]

Damn, he looked stronger than all of his sons even in the 90's.

[Seanny One Ball]

His SMW shit was great. Might have to watch some tonight.

[Bad News Gertner]

Beau James told a story where Bob had a 180 dumbbell fell on his face because the weight bench broke. Completely crushed his face and almost died. Dude was wrestling again within a month or so.

[Bad News Gertner]

Armstrong was lying on a bench, doing two-arm pullovers with about 180 pounds when his world turned upside down. “The bench wasn’t nailed down or bolted down. It was my fault completely,” he said. “I had just started to pull it over when the bench slid and broke and all the weight came down on my face. It tore my nose off and broke every bone in my face
His son Brad, Ronnie Garvin, and Pez Whatley helped him get emergency treatment. “My face was just about gone. It turned black, blue, and yellow with no nose. We put a sheet over my head so that people wouldn’t scream. They put me back together but it took a while and I lost about 30 pounds, maybe more"

[Seanny One Ball]

Yeah the truth behind The Bullet gimmick is some Ed Leslie level shit.
It sounds quite funny/gross until you actually hear the details and then it's not funny anymore.

[Emperor Smeat]

Meltzer had an interesting lengthy story in this week's Observer Newsletter and reposted in the Sheets thread about Armstrong's career in Georgia Championship Wrestling and a big feud with Roddy Rowdy Piper he had back in the early 80s.

Basically that feud managed to generate the first ever million viewers shows for cable TV wrestling in the US but because of a poor booking decision by Ole Anderson, it also killed a potential big money maker feud and Piper as a big draw for the company. Owner of GCW wanted Piper to win while Ole Anderson refused since he didn't want an outsider to beat one of his stars and as a result quickly deflated both the feud's drawing power and Piper's star power during his time there.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Cornette is right most of the time because his arguments are based on logic and things just making sense.

Brian Last was right to blow up on him for skipping Io vs Dakota though. That was a good match. I've banged on about the problems with modern women's wrestling on here before, so I don't blame Cornette for skipping women's matches but fuck's sake, he keeps watching the shitty ones, and skipping over the good ones. No wonder Brian lost it.

Lol, I don’t blame Cornette though. It’s just banter between the two, and I think Corny does it to prove a point now, but it’s a valid point. Audiences don’t owe talent their attention. You have to win them over. There’s so much bad shit that the good shit doesn’t get a chance. Cornette would not be unique in this.

Didn't he also get into some hot water recently in regards to him saying WWE should have fired both Sonya Deville and Mandy Rose for breaking kayfabe following Deville's stalker incident.

Him and Meltzer have had some really bad opinions and views on women's wrestling in recent times.

I listen to all Cornette’s podcasts, and I don’t remember anything about this re: Sonya’s stalking incident. All he he did was say that it’s horrible, but joked that’s probably her bad luck, so now would be the worst time to take time off. His only quip about them being friendly with each other was in dismissing whoever cut the promo because no one buys any of it because everyone knows they’re really besties.

[drave]

He 100% said they should be fired, backed down to saying a fine and/or 6 month "cool off" period all in the name of kayfabe


Jim Cornette went off about this on his Jim Cornette Experience (https://art19.com/shows/jim-cornette-experience) podcast. Cornette called for Rose and Deville to be fired for breaking kayfabe. Obviously, his old-school mentality called for it, but then he backed off his initial point a bit.




Cornette stated that WWE should have at least fined Rose and Deville for being caught together in that situation. Another alternative would be to wait about six months for the “heat to die down and then fire them.” He also chastised Deville for taking Rose to the police to begin with as he alluded that Sonya Deville should have kayfabed a very real and scary situation.

[fundiddle]

apologist!? poppycock. he's not running for re-election or something

[Fignuts]

Lol, I don’t blame Cornette though. It’s just banter between the two, and I think Corny does it to prove a point now, but it’s a valid point. Audiences don’t owe talent their attention. You have to win them over. There’s so much bad shit that the good shit doesn’t get a chance. Cornette would not be unique in this.



I listen to all Cornette’s podcasts, and I don’t remember anything about this re: Sonya’s stalking incident. All he he did was say that it’s horrible, but joked that’s probably her bad luck, so now would be the worst time to take time off. His only quip about them being friendly with each other was in dismissing whoever cut the promo because no one buys any of it because everyone knows they’re really besties.

Nah, I listened to that episode and he definitely said all that stuff. Like I said earlier, I don’t think he said any of it out of anger towards Sonya or Mandy. He just comes from an era that was very unforgiving about that.

[Bad News Gertner]

No different than his thoughts on HBK during the Curtain Call.

[Volare]

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[fundiddle]

look up the definition.
define the actual controversy, again we're not talking about the orange one

[slik]

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[Volare]

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[Volare]

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[Volare]

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[Ol Dirty Dastard]

The Omega thing speaks to how Twitter is some weird, imaginary world. People going bonkers over this. It fucking means nothing...Omega literally just messing around, maybe creating a bit of buzz. Yet, you read the responses, it's this whole "thing." Jesus.

[slik]

Everything is SERIOUS BUSINESS to wrestling Twitter, it's all life or death

[slik]

Actually, it's not just wrestling Twitter, it's all of Twitter.

I've seen people get attacked for posting BEFORE and AFTER pictures of weight loss/muscle gain bc they are "Fat Phobic" and 'Fat Shaming"

[Seanny One Ball]

If you're posting Tweets please do a quick synopsis for those of us that loath clicking unsatisfying links to idiotic opinions.

Thx. Xxx

[xrodmuc316]

PWI really named Moxley wrestler of the year?!?!? Based on what, like 15 matches and the same exact promo for a year straight?

Just wow. Not even thinking about outside feds, Jericho and Cody both blew what Mox has done of of the water.

[Mr. Nerfect]

why am i not surprised that someone like mr. nerfect would be a cornette apologist. pretentious contrarians are the worst.

There’s nothing to defend. I just didn’t remember him saying it. I must have zoned out. He’s not wrong. Wrestling is way better when people stick to kayfabe. It should be part of the job. If Sonya and Mandy are feuding, they shouldn’t be going to get their nails done together or whatever.

[Mr. Nerfect]

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It’s sad that wrestlers are better left to their own devices than be serviced by their TV exposure.

[Emperor Smeat]

PWI really named Moxley wrestler of the year?!?!? Based on what, like 15 matches and the same exact promo for a year straight?

Just wow. Not even thinking about outside feds, Jericho and Cody both blew what Mox has done of of the water.

PWI's rankings are based a lot more on kayfabe, star status, and championship reigns than anything work related.

AEW taking the top spot with Moxley either means PWI now recognizes AEW and their World title being equal to WWE and their WWE title or just felt Moxley's top star status and lengthy AEW title reign was enough to surpass anyone from WWE for rankings.

Adam Cole pretty much took WWE's highest spot at #2 due to his top star status in NXT and record setting NXT title reign despite the belt being lower in prestige than WWE's top belts.

[xrodmuc316]

PWI's rankings are based a lot more on kayfabe, star status, and championship reigns than anything work related.

AEW taking the top spot with Moxley either means PWI now recognizes AEW and their World title being equal to WWE and their WWE title or just felt Moxley's top star status and lengthy AEW title reign was enough to surpass anyone from WWE for rankings.

Adam Cole pretty much took WWE's highest spot at #2 due to his top star status in NXT and record setting NXT title reign despite the belt being lower in prestige than WWE's top belts.

Sure, but that still doesn't explain him being ranked higher than Cody and Jericho. I just don't think Moxley comes close to either of them.

[Emperor Smeat]

In PWI's eyes, him being AEW's current top star and his lengthy current AEW title reign outweighs Cody's status and TNT title reign. Same for him supplanting Jericho in terms of star status.

Actual in-ring and promo work quality factors less into their rankings than kayfabe.

Plus some other criteria they use that actually benefits AEW more than WWE like a bigger emphasis on wins/loss record.

The evaluation period for this year's PWI 500 is July 1, 2019 - June 30, 2020. The criteria for ranking includes win-loss record, technical ability, influence on the sport, success against the highest grade of competition, success against the most diverse competition, and activity.

[Fignuts]

Moxley has also had a very good run in NJPW. Capturing the US title twice and having a great run in the G-1. He probably wouldn’t be my pick but I get why he might be someone else’s.

[Fignuts]

There’s nothing to defend. I just didn’t remember him saying it. I must have zoned out. He’s not wrong. Wrestling is way better when people stick to kayfabe. It should be part of the job. If Sonya and Mandy are feuding, they shouldn’t be going to get their nails done together or whatever.

I don’t think it accomplishes anything in the current era of wrestling. The rise of the internet killed that aspect of the business completely. Thanks to the web, every wrestling fan is a smart mark now. This incident didn’t expose anything that people didn’t already know. No one assumed they stopped hanging out and being friends because of this feud just like no one assumed Gargano and Ciampa stopped being friends. Everyone knows it’s a work. The difference is that one of those feuds made you forget during the actual programming because everyone from the talent to the creative did a great job in making it an intriguing story.

And that’s really all they can do. Put on a product that captures the fans emotions, and makes them forget for a little while what they already know. But as far as recapturing the “magic” that wrestling once had, well that’s gone forever. The genie is out of the bottle, and no amount of adhering to kayfabe outside of the workplace, no matter how strict, will ever get it back in.

And again, I say all this within reason. No one should be outright throwing away kayfabe in the fans faces like the previously mentioned omega/Jericho podcast.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I don’t think it accomplishes anything in the current era of wrestling. The rise of the internet killed that aspect of the business completely. Thanks to the web, every wrestling fan is a smart mark now. This incident didn’t expose anything that people didn’t already know. No one assumed they stopped hanging out and being friends because of this feud just like no one assumed Gargano and Ciampa stopped being friends. Everyone knows it’s a work. The difference is that one of those feuds made you forget during the actual programming because everyone from the talent to the creative did a great job in making it an intriguing story.

And that’s really all they can do. Put on a product that captures the fans emotions, and makes them forget for a little while what they already know. But as far as recapturing the “magic” that wrestling once had, well that’s gone forever. The genie is out of the bottle, and no amount of adhering to kayfabe outside of the workplace, no matter how strict, will ever get it back in.

And again, I say all this within reason. No one should be outright throwing away kayfabe in the fans faces like the previously mentioned omega/Jericho podcast.

It definitely accomplishes something. It puts some fucking effort in and makes things more immersive. That's at the very least. I mean, wrestling itself makes that impossible, because no one acts authentically, but it definitely helps.

Every fan being a smart mark is a problem. It's because they've chased off so many people who are sick of being insulted by no one putting any fucking effort in. It's not the sole reason, but when you cannot believe in this shit, even if you don't believe it, then it's hard to get emotionally invested at all.

You don't need to rub people's faces in it, which you seem to agree with it, so we're really just talking about degrees here, but it absolutely hurts wrestling that it's turned into such a...lazy presentation.

[Mr. Nerfect]

RastafarianMon has got a Noid crush. It's Dastardly.

[Bad News Gertner]

I think so too

[slik]

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[Mr. Nerfect]

Wow, Ryan Satin found someone with less sense than his hand. Eh, she's alright, but her thinking of herself as a "hot girlfriend" and that she counts the number of times she has sex ruins whatever she has going for her.

And Cornette's jab is obviously more because obviously someone has accused Ryan Satin of being a creep (big surprise there) so it's turnabout on the accusations against him. There are actually clever mechanics in there, even if "you can't get laid" is such a weird insult. Then in comes the girlfriend with her "Nuh-uh! He could totally be a creep." Cool. :y:

[Mr. Nerfect]

can you slide out of these posts and into my private messages?

Hmm. I'll stick to the four fingers on thumb street, thanks.

[Volare]

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[GD]

Did not know that Shayna Baszler was a POC...

[Seanny One Ball]

Everybody is now

[Seanny One Ball]

Rachel Dolezal is an X-POC

[Droford]

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He's trying to hurt his hair obviously

[Droford]

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the good news is I dont think AEW would be stupid enough to do a divorce angle with a real married couple on their roster like WWE did, but honestly thered be no bigger dick move for MJF to pull than stealing his wife which would fit his character

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

I watched the Roman Reigns segment where he reveals Paul Heyman.

No problem with the move at all, but the entire segment was Roman talking in WWE branded soundbytes. Fortunately, he has a booming, powerful voice to kind of get away with it, but ughhh, no wonder I can't watch at all.

[Gerard]

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Eyeing up another potential porn tape partner no doubt. :|

[Volare]

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[Fignuts]

Yeah that looked slick. I wasn't completely sold on Dakota Kai, but that match won me over.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

So is Reigns a heel now cuz that might be interesting

[Emperor Smeat]

So is Reigns a heel now cuz that might be interesting

That seems to be the plan according to PWI.

Braun is also staying as a heel but Bray supposedly is turning face soon in order to balance things out in the title scene.

[Volare]

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[xrodmuc316]

the good news is I dont think AEW would be stupid enough to do a divorce angle with a real married couple on their roster like WWE did, but honestly thered be no bigger dick move for MJF to pull than stealing his wife which would fit his character

That would be such a great career move for her!:roll:

[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Fucking HELL �� 1982 ran out of cocaine in one promo. Jack Brisco looked like a disappointed dad after all that nonsense. <a href="https://t.co/bLTeMoEgGk">pic.twitter.com/bLTeMoEgGk</a></p>&mdash; ��DYNAMITE DA-GE-GE �� Shazz (@Shazzledazzlee) <a href="https://twitter.com/Shazzledazzlee/status/1299446523135229954?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 28, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Gerard]

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/bIWvrBFmzlg" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Y'Know.

[Lock Jaw]

12 miutes? Forget it. Just sum it up for me.

[xrodmuc316]

Guys, Dave Meltzer said WWE is going to reair NXT on Syfy, not because they are going to get paid for it, and not because some of the fans might not be able to watch it a day earlier in the week.

Nope, they are going to air a rerun of the previous day episode because they are super scared AEW will get better ratings unopposed. Just like they got a better rating unopposed last Thursday. Oh wait, they didn't though, but plans change, that will be $11.99.

He's such a good journalist!

[Emperor Smeat]

Considering NXT has been counter-programming AEW a lot since both started their war, reairing the shows on Wednesdays makes sense on their end.

WWE gets Tuesday unopposed while trying to dent AEW's numbers on Wednesday.

[Bad News Gertner]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Fucking HELL �� 1982 ran out of cocaine in one promo. Jack Brisco looked like a disappointed dad after all that nonsense. <a href="https://t.co/bLTeMoEgGk">pic.twitter.com/bLTeMoEgGk</a></p>&mdash; ��DYNAMITE DA-GE-GE �� Shazz (@Shazzledazzlee) <a href="https://twitter.com/Shazzledazzlee/status/1299446523135229954?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 28, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Lol fantastic. Here's the whole thing.

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[Droford]

Watching payback from 2017. Sheamus is in the tag title match with Cesaro vs Hardys. Cole runs off Sheamus' accomplishments in WWE and called him underappreciated. Fast forward 3.5 years and he did it again to Sheamus. Thought it was funny since he's done even less (some tag title runs with Cesaro) since he said it the first time

Also a few other odd notes

Payback in 17 was Raw brand with a US Title match from SD (last night was basically RAW with a universal title match from SD)

3.5 years is long enough for me to completely forget Austin Aries was in WWE.

[Evil Vito]

lollllll Dasher Hatfield formerly of CHIKARA has changed his ring name to A Very Good Professional Wrestler

[xrodmuc316]

Considering NXT has been counter-programming AEW a lot since both started their war, reairing the shows on Wednesdays makes sense on their end.

WWE gets Tuesday unopposed while trying to dent AEW's numbers on Wednesday.

You mean how WWE decided to keep airing NXT on the same day they have for years, just to hurt the company that trademarked "Tuesday Night Dynamite"?

Yep, WWEvil.

Guess AEW and TNT didn't think it was a good idea to run on Tuesdays after Smackdown moved to Friday's because of _____.

[screech]

WWE started putting NXT on USA only a few weeks before AEW was scheduled to begin airing on TNT.

(Also re-airing shows is not a new thing in TV in general. You pick the weirdest shit to use as a "gotcha.")

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WWE have signed EVOLVE stars Josh Briggs, Anthony Greene, Brandi Lauren and Curt Stallion - according to <a href="https://t.co/ytShgXE0eY">https://t.co/ytShgXE0eY</a>.</p>&mdash; Gary Cassidy (@WrestlingGary) <a href="https://twitter.com/WrestlingGary/status/1300484739456004097?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 31, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[slik]

For what it's worth, WWE has removed all of Brock Lesnar's merch from WWEShop...

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Lesnar to aew confirmed

[Gerard]

12 miutes? Forget it. Just sum it up for me.



Originally it was going to be a large Rat (seemingly couldn't find a cage big enough for Heyman to fit into), then they didn't know what it was going to be, he pitched multiple ideas including having a tiny woman be in the cage for a single appearance and that she was in the cage for protection (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyoti_Amge). In the end they just went with a mechanical Spider which he reckons it was meant to be from the start.

[Droford]

Viking Raiders are going back to nxt

[slik]

For what it's worth, WWE has removed all of Brock Lesnar's merch from WWEShop...

PWInsider and ProWrestlingSheet both reporting that Lesnar is now a free agent and left WWE after WrestleMania 36.

[Gerard]

PWInsider and ProWrestlingSheet both reporting that Lesnar is now a free agent and left WWE after WrestleMania 36.

Not a bad thing if true, the phoned in matches with 2x repeated moves got old fast.

[Emperor Smeat]

You mean how WWE decided to keep airing NXT on the same day they have for years, just to hurt the company that trademarked "Tuesday Night Dynamite"?

Yep, WWEvil.

Guess AEW and TNT didn't think it was a good idea to run on Tuesdays after Smackdown moved to Friday's because of _____.

They trademarked Tuesday first because they didn't have a TV deal at the time and figured that would probably be the date of their weekly show.

Once talks with TNT started to point to an actual TV deal being made, they trademarked Wednesday afterwards since TNT has NBA games on Tuesdays and Thursdays.

NXT probably would have went on Tuesdays had AEW got a weekly Tuesday deal since there were some speculation of the possibility NXT moving to that night when WWE was shopping the brand to interested networks.

[xrodmuc316]

WWE started putting NXT on USA only a few weeks before AEW was scheduled to begin airing on TNT.

(Also re-airing shows is not a new thing in TV in general. You pick the weirdest shit to use as a "gotcha.")

That doesn't change the fact that NXT was always on Wednesday nights.

They trademarked Tuesday first because they didn't have a TV deal at the time and figured that would probably be the date of their weekly show.

Once talks with TNT started to point to an actual TV deal being made, they trademarked Wednesday afterwards since TNT has NBA games on Tuesdays and Thursdays.

NXT probably would have went on Tuesdays had AEW got a weekly Tuesday deal since there were some speculation of the possibility NXT moving to that night when WWE was shopping the brand to interested networks.

That still doesn't negate the fact that AEW's original strategy was to air on Tuesday nights. They play the victim card that big bad WWE is trying to hold them down by airing NXT on Wednesdays. HAD Dynamite been on Tuesdays, and HAD NXT suddenly moved to Tuesday nights, it would be one thing.

That's not what happened. AEW got the day and timeslot they got based on what TNT offered them. It just happened to be the same day NXT has aired their show on WWE Network. USA Network having lost Smackdown came in with an offer to get NXT for 2 hours for about 20 times less than Fox paid for Smackdown.

Yes, the NXT deal happened a few weeks before AEW was set to debut, because guess what, that is the week USA lost Smackdown. AEW's original debut date was planned to be on October 1st, 2019, the exact week WWE would be moving Smackdown to Friday nights.

Their plan was to absorb the fans that watched wrestling on Tuesday nights as soon as there was no more Tuesday Night wrestling. Because they couldn't get Tuesdays from TNT has nothing to do with WWE, that entire narrative that AEW is getting picked on by WWE because they are scared of AEW is bullshit.

Vince will take money for his content. It's why Fox Sports has classic WWE, it's why NBC's streaming service Peacock has WWE content, it's why Hulu gets next day episodes of Raw and Smackdown, and it's why Vince will take money from SyFy to reair the previous day episode of NXT.

Hell maybe I am wrong, maybe Vince is so afraid of AEW that he somehow convinces network presidents to not only put his show on the air, but to also pay him for the favor.

[screech]

Right, on their own Network. They didn't go on USA until they had to compete with AEW.

The NBA is a big draw for TNT, so it wouldn't matter what show was coming there. It was going to take a backseat of sorts. When the TV talks ramped up, AEW realized this and moved to Wednesday because it made more sense.

There are things to crap on AEW for, but this weird schedule thing you're fixated on isn't one of them.

[xrodmuc316]

Right, on their own Network. They didn't go on USA until they had to compete with AEW.

The NBA is a big draw for TNT, so it wouldn't matter what show was coming there. It was going to take a backseat of sorts. When the TV talks ramped up, AEW realized this and moved to Wednesday because it made more sense.

There are things to crap on AEW for, but this weird schedule thing you're fixated on isn't one of them.

I'm not crapping on AEW for that, it's the narrative I have the issue with. USA knew they were looking Smackdown going all the way back to June 2018, which by the way, was months before All In, so months and months before AEW was even a thing. Is it a coincidence then that USA added NXT at the same time they were looking Smackdown, or was it something they were going to do all along.

WWE doesn't just get to tell USA that USA has to give them 2 hours on Wednesday nights and pay WWE a million dollars a week to do that.

If it was that easy why wouldn't Vince tell other networks they have to give him a show and pay him money for it?

NXT is on USA because USA wanted to replace the 2 hours of wrestling they were losing with a different 2 hours of wrestling. Meltzer and AEW talk about it constantly, Vince is afraid AEW, Vince put show on to hurt AEW, Vince bad, AEW good.

AEW didn't HAVE to go with TNT. They had so many offers, at least according to Meltzer, that if they wanted to run unopposed on Tuesday nights, then they could have. They took the TNT deal on Wednesdays because it was the best deal. That doesn't make them victims of WWE, no matter how much they want to sell that narrative to be the cool underdogs that are taking it to Vince McMahon. The same Vince McMahon that held them all back, and now they are gonna show him!

The entirety of AEW is a gimmick. It's a whole company portraying a kayfabe gimmick. It is carny at carny's finest, but at what point do they stand on their own? Every interview is about how WWE is bad, how everything they do is with the sole purpose of hurting AEW. Even the journalist in their payroll can't keep from falling all over themselves to push the narrative.

Nothing WWE does is good, it is all a horrible attempt to hurt AEW. Nothing AEW does is bad, everything they do is so great it is scaring Vince McMahon to death.

Give me a break.

[Emperor Smeat]

USA Network wasn't even the first choice for NXT since WWE wanted FOX to bite on a third hour of programming and dangled both NXT and 205 Live in front of them.

Instead they only got NXT because FOX kept refusing but FOX was still interested in a third hour and as a studio show which is how WWE Backstage was born.

The fact it took WWE soo long to make an official announcement should have been a big clue they were scrambling back to USA Network and the deal was being made in reaction to AEW's official announcement. AEW made their official announcement in May while WWE didn't make their NXT announcement until August.

The October start date for AEW had a lot more to do with that being the start of the early Fall Sweep season and less about anything WWE-related. Both FOX and TNT wanted to have a few weeks of SD and Dynamite in the books in order to strengthen the appeal of their networks for new advertisers and/or get better deals with existing ones.

Considering SyFy hasn't aired any episode of NXT since back in the very early days, that should have been a clue WWE doesn't want to give AEW any unopposed days even if it means reairing taped NXT content.

WWE being able to sell more of their taped programming to networks is mainly due to how cheap that stuff is compared to regular tv programming. Its also part of the reason why they have been struggling to find a buyer for their live PPV stuff since nobody wants to pay the company their high asking price compared to other live sports content like UFC that generate much better buy numbers.

[xrodmuc316]

USA Network wasn't even the first choice for NXT since WWE wanted FOX to bite on a third hour of programming and dangled both NXT and 205 Live in front of them.

Instead they only got NXT because FOX kept refusing but FOX was still interested in a third hour and as a studio show which is how WWE Backstage was born.

The fact it took WWE soo long to make an official announcement should have been a big clue they were scrambling back to USA Network and the deal was being made in reaction to AEW's official announcement. AEW made their official announcement in May while WWE didn't make their NXT announcement until August.

The October start date for AEW had a lot more to do with that being the start of the early Fall Sweep season and less about anything WWE-related. Both FOX and TNT wanted to have a few weeks of SD and Dynamite in the books in order to strengthen the appeal of their networks for new advertisers and/or get better deals with existing ones.

Considering SyFy hasn't aired any episode of NXT since back in the very early days, that should have been a clue WWE doesn't want to give AEW any unopposed days even if it means reairing taped NXT content.

WWE being able to sell more of their taped programming to networks is mainly due to how cheap that stuff is compared to regular tv programming. Its also part of the reason why they have been struggling to find a buyer for their live PPV stuff since nobody wants to pay the company their high asking price compared to other live sports content like UFC that generate much better buy numbers.

Vince McMahon can't just tell a network to air his show, that is not how it works. NBC Universal probably didn't want to pay whatever the pre-emptive fee would be, something Vince has negotiated in TV contracts since going to Spike TV, so they offered Vince the Syfy timeslot at a rerun rate, and Vince accepted it.

That is certainly a far different scenario than Vince calling SyFy and demanding they air his show so AEW doesn't get ratings.

[Emperor Smeat]

NBC cheapening out on paying a preemption fee doesn't make sense from their end. Maybe if they was a lower tier or less wealthy network, I could see that being the case although they wouldn't have put themselves in that situation to begin with.

I wouldn't be surprised if WWE just simply used their very tight connections with USA Network to help give them a favor from NBC for these next couple of weeks.

[xrodmuc316]

NBC cheapening out on paying a preemption fee doesn't make sense from their end. Maybe if they was a lower tier or less wealthy network, I could see that being the case although they wouldn't have put themselves in that situation to begin with.

I wouldn't be surprised if WWE just simply used their very tight connections with USA Network to help give them a favor from NBC for these next couple of weeks.

Why not, even if NXT on Syfy gets 200,000 viewers, im guessing that would be an improvement for what they normally get. They save money and get a better than normal rating, seems like a win win for Syfy/NBC.

[Emperor Smeat]

They would need to double that amount or basically get around half of what they normally do on USA Network to match what SyFy gets for prime time on average.

https://ctv.kwayisi.org/networks/syfy/

Now if they manage to actually steal 200k from AEW this week, then yeah that's a major win on their end. All depends on how much of the crossover audience decides to watch the show and missed Tuesday's show.

[screech]

Nothing WWE does is good, it is all a horrible attempt to hurt AEW. Nothing AEW does is bad, everything they do is so great it is scaring Vince McMahon to death.



Please quote exactly where I made any reference to this. Better yet, quote where anyone here has said anything like this.

Plenty of people say good and bad things about both companies. You continue to fall into "narratives" and complain when we point out how ridiculous you sound.

[Bad News Gertner]

I have to pick up some tables for mom girlfriend's mother. My gf asked when I was going to get the tables. I replied "Get the tables!"

So just looked at me and said "is that some stupid wrestling thing"

Motherfucker

[Fignuts]

Sounds like it's time to cut her loose.

[screech]

Damn, that's unfortunate

[Lock Jaw]

Sounds like it's time to Bubba-Bomb her from the top rope through a table.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">My dad (New Jack from ECW) cut me out of his life 3 years ago because he didn’t want his fans to know I’m a drag queen, and he didn’t want Wikipedia posting anything about me. <br><br>Clearly he doesn’t know how Wikipedia works. Anywho, I’m now an official editor for Wikipedia. �� <a href="https://t.co/iAaMk2svVN">pic.twitter.com/iAaMk2svVN</a></p>&mdash; Washington Heights (@washyheights) <a href="https://twitter.com/washyheights/status/1300556387618033670?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 31, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Fignuts]

lol new jack

[Black Widow]

Don't know who Stone is but i like this idea to piss off fans.

https://i.ibb.co/zVnT980/Screenshot-20200901-050813-Samsung-Internet.jpg

[drave]

I have to pick up some tables for mom girlfriend's mother. My gf asked when I was going to get the tables. I replied "Get the tables!"

So just looked at me and said "is that some stupid wrestling thing"

Motherfucker




Time to take the Mae Young table ride.

[slik]

Retribution only hates 1 day a week


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Report: Retribution To Be Exclusive To WWE Raw <a href="https://t.co/5QjwbrFxkH">https://t.co/5QjwbrFxkH</a></p>&mdash; Fightful Wrestling (@FightfulWrestle) <a href="https://twitter.com/FightfulWrestle/status/1300798828895850499?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 1, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[xrodmuc316]

Please quote exactly where I made any reference to this. Better yet, quote where anyone here has said anything like this.

Plenty of people say good and bad things about both companies. You continue to fall into "narratives" and complain when we point out how ridiculous you sound.

Quote where I said that YOU said that.

Unless you or anybody here has been Dave Meltzer or a member of AEW'S roster all along, I wasn't referring to you or any other poster here.

[Big Vic]

I'm actually a member of AEW'S roster, I'm Hangman Page.

[Bad News Gertner]

Luchasaurus here. Rawr!

[screech]

Quote where I said that YOU said that.

Unless you or anybody here has been Dave Meltzer or a member of AEW'S roster all along, I wasn't referring to you or any other poster here.

lol fuck off with that. You made a heavy generalization about AEW vs. WWE (as you've been doing for pages), now you're bitching out because I called you on it.

[Big Vic]

Guru Dave's last name is Meltzer

[Emperor Smeat]

Retribution only hates 1 day a week


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Report: Retribution To Be Exclusive To WWE Raw <a href="https://t.co/5QjwbrFxkH">https://t.co/5QjwbrFxkH</a></p>&mdash; Fightful Wrestling (@FightfulWrestle) <a href="https://twitter.com/FightfulWrestle/status/1300798828895850499?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 1, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Guess Retribution fears Roman Reigns the most since they haven't been on any shows he's been on since his return.

[Sixx]

Guru Dave's last name is Meltzer

Classic Hindu name.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

The Big Show Show has been chokeslammed into cancelation.

[Emperor Smeat]

Apparently spoilers for the 60-minute Iron Man match on tonight's episode of NXT have been leaked via PWI and the finish is going to be one of the dumbest ever in WWE/NXT history.

[slik]

I saw that, it sounds pretty dumb.

Good ol bait and switch, fans favorite type of booking.

[Emperor Smeat]

Outside of the women's division booking which generally has been handled very well for the most part, it does feel like NXT just books things week to week these days. Its not Vince McMahon level of badness but Triple H's plans to improve ratings and direction has been leaning more towards Vince's mindset for shows.

Ever since they went to USA Network, more of main roster bad habits with creative and booking have been gradually seeping into NXT Creative.

[Sixx]

I saw that, it sounds pretty dumb.

Good ol bait and switch, fans favorite type of booking.

What's the finish?

[screech]

Outside of the women's division booking which generally has been handled very well for the most part, it does feel like NXT just books things week to week these days. Its not Vince McMahon level of badness but Triple H's plans to improve ratings and direction has been leaning more towards Vince's mindset for shows.

Ever since they went to USA Network, more of main roster bad habits with creative and booking have been gradually seeping into NXT Creative.

Do you think because they're "on TV" now, they think the product has to be kinda the same as the other shows because "brand synergy" or some shit?

[Emperor Smeat]

I'd say a mix of that and them losing their long term booking flexibility by switching from a monthly taped schedule to a weekly one.

Being in a war with AEW hasn't helped either since a lot of their booking has felt a lot more reactionary. Its also why they've been constantly tossing out TakeOver quality matches and title matches with little to no build to spike ratings and try to drive interest away from AEW.

In terms of the wrestling itself, the quality has mostly remained unchanged but another negative aspect has been popping up these past few years. The brand used to be a nice mix of developmental and indie stars getting the spotlight treatment but in recent years, NXT has leaned heavily towards pre-made indie stars getting the real focus and spotlight. John Pollock mentioned earlier in the year how recent TakeOver events barely have anyone from WWE's actual developmental system on the cards.

[Bad News Gertner]

I saw that, it sounds pretty dumb.

Good ol bait and switch, fans favorite type of booking.

I don't think it's bad at all. It's a logical finish.

[Emperor Smeat]

For a 60-minute 4-way Iron Man match that's a pretty terrible finish in store for tonight's NXT show.

Half of tonight's NXT is going to be just that match and the other half probably is going to be heavier on the commercial breaks side depending on how breaks are handled for the Iron Man match.

[Lock Jaw]

What's the finish?

[slik]

The finish is


no one wins the ironman match, it's a tie so it can drag on to next week

[Supreme Olajuwon]

IT’S A


https://www.kindpng.com/picc/m/47-475709_tie-image-no-background-hd-png-download.png

[Emperor Smeat]

According to WrestleVotes, this was the other plan being considered for tonight's NXT title Iron Man match.

Pat McAfee would have shown up to cost Adam Cole the chance to win the title. A winner would have been crowned unlike the plan that was used instead.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The two ideas for the finish of tonight’s Iron Man match were either Pat McAfee costing Adam Cole the match -OR- the match ending after 60 minutes tied and starting the sudden death overtime next week as the show comes on the air.</p>&mdash; WrestleVotes (@WrestleVotes) <a href="https://twitter.com/WrestleVotes/status/1300942070761304065?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 1, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[xrodmuc316]

lol fuck off with that. You made a heavy generalization about AEW vs. WWE (as you've been doing for pages), now you're bitching out because I called you on it.

Except I clearly didn't.

Guys, Dave Meltzer said WWE is going to reair NXT on Syfy, not because they are going to get paid for it, and not because some of the fans might not be able to watch it a day earlier in the week.

Nope, they are going to air a rerun of the previous day episode because they are super scared AEW will get better ratings unopposed. Just like they got a better rating unopposed last Thursday. Oh wait, they didn't though, but plans change, that will be $11.99.

He's such a good journalist!

Where exactly does that say @Screech??

So you called me out for something I didn't say. You can fuck off with that lol

[Vastardikai]

40 years ago today, Sting wrestled the Undertaker. It was Surfer Sting and "Mean Marc," but still. https://wwfoldschool.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/The-Undertaker-vs.-Sting-Real-Photo-From-WCW-1990.jpg

[Mr. Nerfect]

There's nothing wrong with a non-finish in wrestling. Internet wrestling fans are the fucking worst. Bunch of marks who don't even know that they are marks/resent the idea and look down on other marks.

[Sixx]

Classic Hindu name.

Hahaha, this apparently warrants a neg rep.

[screech]

Except I clearly didn't.



Where exactly does that say @Screech??

So you called me out for something I didn't say. You can fuck off with that lol

So your response was to quote a completely different thing. You really are a fucking idiot.

[screech]

Nothing WWE does is good, it is all a horrible attempt to hurt AEW. Nothing AEW does is bad, everything they do is so great it is scaring Vince McMahon to death.

Give me a break.

This is what I was referring to, you simpleton. You have it in your head that people here really believe this, and take offense when it's pointed out to you that this isn't the case.

[xrodmuc316]

This is what I was referring to, you simpleton. You have it in your head that people here really believe this, and take offense when it's pointed out to you that this isn't the case.

No, I have it in my head that the people on the AEW payroll, including the supposed legitimate journalist like Meltzer, continually push that narrative.

I do my best not to attack other posters personally, but if you can't understand that when I write Dave Meltzer or AEW as a whole that it doesn't mean the 12 other posters on TPWW, that means you are the simpleton. Seriously.

[xrodmuc316]

So your response was to quote a completely different thing. You really are a fucking idiot.

Christ

I'm not crapping on AEW for that, it's the narrative I have the issue with. USA knew they were looking Smackdown going all the way back to June 2018, which by the way, was months before All In, so months and months before AEW was even a thing. Is it a coincidence then that USA added NXT at the same time they were looking Smackdown, or was it something they were going to do all along.

WWE doesn't just get to tell USA that USA has to give them 2 hours on Wednesday nights and pay WWE a million dollars a week to do that.

If it was that easy why wouldn't Vince tell other networks they have to give him a show and pay him money for it?

NXT is on USA because USA wanted to replace the 2 hours of wrestling they were losing with a different 2 hours of wrestling. Meltzer and AEW talk about it constantly, Vince is afraid AEW, Vince put show on to hurt AEW, Vince bad, AEW good.

AEW didn't HAVE to go with TNT. They had so many offers, at least according to Meltzer, that if they wanted to run unopposed on Tuesday nights, then they could have. They took the TNT deal on Wednesdays because it was the best deal. That doesn't make them victims of WWE, no matter how much they want to sell that narrative to be the cool underdogs that are taking it to Vince McMahon. The same Vince McMahon that held them all back, and now they are gonna show him!

The entirety of AEW is a gimmick. It's a whole company portraying a kayfabe gimmick. It is carny at carny's finest, but at what point do they stand on their own? Every interview is about how WWE is bad, how everything they do is with the sole purpose of hurting AEW. Even the journalist in their payroll can't keep from falling all over themselves to push the narrative.

Nothing WWE does is good, it is all a horrible attempt to hurt AEW. Nothing AEW does is bad, everything they do is so great it is scaring Vince McMahon to death.

Give me a break.

Just because I responded to you doesn't mean I changed the my stance from Meltzer and AEW to you. I can't teach you how to understand what you read, and you selecting a small portion of what I wrote to pretend you are right and that the whole posts was about them and not you does not prove your point, does not change what I wrote, and does not make you come across as making a valid counterpoint.

I made the previous text BOLD FOR you. Again, doesn't say anything about you, other than your lack of ability to understand previous paragraphs lead to the following paragraphs, and they are connected in the overall point.

[screech]

Holy shit, dude. I was responding to a specific statement you made that lines up with many of your posts re: AEW vs. WWE, and you're coming at me with unrelated essays as a "gotcha." Not even talking about your odd obsession with Meltzer.

My point was that you spend a lot of time criticizing AEW for weird reasons, then get super defensive when this is brought up to you. I'm not sure how much more clear I can be.

[drave]

Pepsi Clear, maybe

[screech]

I had a Crystal Pepsi not long ago. I did not enjoy it like I thought I would.

[Sixx]

I had a Crystal Pepsi not long ago. I did not enjoy it like I thought I would.

Dude, it was supposed to be METH, crystal meth.

[screech]

Well, shit. I could've used you!

[xrodmuc316]

Holy shit, dude. I was responding to a specific statement you made that lines up with many of your posts re: AEW vs. WWE, and you're coming at me with unrelated essays as a "gotcha." Not even talking about your odd obsession with Meltzer.

My point was that you spend a lot of time criticizing AEW for weird reasons, then get super defensive when this is brought up to you. I'm not sure how much more clear I can be.

Because you inferred that when I said Meltzer I somehow meant you and other people here.

You asked me to quote where YOU or anybody else here said what I said Meltzer/AEW continually spew.

Please quote exactly where I made any reference to this. Better yet, quote where anyone here has said anything like this.

I asked YOU to quote where I was referring to you or anybody else here, and you haven't because, like I've been trying to explain to you, unless you are in fact Dave Meltzer, I did NOT refer to YOU, nor anybody else here.

I cannot defend a position that I did not make anywhere but in your poor interpretation of something I posted about that AEW says in interviews/podcasts/promos/tweets etc.

I will tell you what, link me to the podcast interview where you as a representative of AEW have an interview, and I'll listen to it in full, and if I am wrong that you, as a representative of AEW, did not actually go out of your way to say anything related to WWE being bad, and AEW being good, then I will go right ahead and apologize and never make another post at TPWW.

I am eagerly awaiting. I am sure your response will be brilliant.

[screech]

Why is this so hard for you? You said this



Nothing WWE does is good, it is all a horrible attempt to hurt AEW. Nothing AEW does is bad, everything they do is so great it is scaring Vince McMahon to death.

Give me a break.

inferring that people here [in this specific case, me] believe this. I asked you to quote where I made reference to this. You responded with a bunch of essays about unrelated shit because you couldn't figure out what I was asking.

I did not ask about your weird Dave Meltzer fixation, or whatever else you went on about. I asked about one specific point that you made. I cannot make this any easier for you.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

XRod just doesn't know when to bow out. When pretty much 100% of the people responding think you're wrong - and also a total fucking dillweed - you should probably take a chill pill. Too proud to back down, when it's what would put an end to all of this idiocy.

[drave]

so would crystal meth, as sixx said :)

[xrodmuc316]

Why is this so hard for you? You said this



inferring that people here [in this specific case, me] believe this. I asked you to quote where I made reference to this. You responded with a bunch of essays about unrelated shit because you couldn't figure out what I was asking.

I did not ask about your weird Dave Meltzer fixation, or whatever else you went on about. I asked about one specific point that you made. I cannot make this any easier for you.

Holy shit man, YES I wrote that as the narrative AEW and Meltzer put out. Not that you or anybody in TPWW do it, that AEW and Meltzer do.

It has absoFUCKINGlutely nothing to do with you.

Just because I am responding to you doesn't mean it is about you, it means I am trying to tell you for the 80th time...

ITPlease quote exactly where I made any reference to this. Better yet, quote where anyone here has said anything like this.

IT IS SOLELY ABOUT HOW AEW AND IT'S ON THE TAKE "JOURNALIST" PORTRAY AEW AND WWE. IT HAS JACK SHIT TO DO WITH YOU OR ANYBODY ELSE THAT DOES NOT WORK FOR AEW.I

I can't quote where you said it, because I never said you fucking said it.

[xrodmuc316]

XRod just doesn't know when to bow out. When pretty much 100% of the people responding think you're wrong - and also a total fucking dillweed - you should probably take a chill pill. Too proud to back down, when it's what would put an end to all of this idiocy.

You are just as dense as he is. Why the fuck would I back down and say I'm sorry you guys read AEW and Meltzer as Screech?? It is not my fault you "dillweeds" can't comprehend what you read. That is your own issue to deal with.

[Bad News Gertner]

The Meltzer shit is so dumb

[drave]

What about the meltzer sheep. Are they sheep in the demos or no?

[screech]

Holy shit man, YES I wrote that as the narrative AEW and Meltzer put out. Not that you or anybody in TPWW do it, that AEW and Meltzer do.



See? You didn't need five fucking essays and a tantrum to just say that.

I mean, you have dumped on people who like AEW for really weird reasons, but I suppose IN THIS CASE you were [again] oddly fixated on Meltzer.

[xrodmuc316]

https://i.imgflip.com/4dlfoy.jpg

[screech]

The Meltzer shit is weird, though. You clearly don't like what he has to say ever. Why bother read it? Seems like you're riling yourself up for no real benefit.

[screech]

https://i.imgflip.com/4dlfoy.jpg

:lol:

Man, that's fantastic. You can't handle direct questions based on your own bullshit quoted to you, so you tout this as a win to paint me as some kind of "villain." Amazing.

[GD]

https://i.imgflip.com/4dlfoy.jpg

Oh jeez! You’ve done it now, screech.

[screech]

Is there an award for being blocked by the new Forum Dunce?

[xrodmuc316]

https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2020/09/01/renee-young-wwe-covid-departure-aew-si-media-podcast

Took Renee 10 days :rofl:

[screech]

That was being reported/hinted at days after it happened. Not surprising at all.

[xrodmuc316]

:lol:

Man, that's fantastic. You can't handle direct questions based on your own bullshit quoted to you, so you tout this as a win to paint me as some kind of "villain." Amazing.

Naw, it just means I don't have to see your posts until I am prepared to deal with idiocy.

You are happy I

See? You didn't need five fucking essays and a tantrum to just say that.

but it's the exact thing I said about 10 times before you FINALLY were able to comprehend it.

But that makes me the dunce? At least call me a dunce for the right reason, such as I am a big enough dunce to try and explain something so simple to you for 2 days. Thanks for understanding, eventually.

[screech]

lol I asked you a direct question with a direct quote from you and you responded with multiple essays that didn't answer it. Don't try to sound smart now that you've been called on being too dumb to decipher your own words.

[GD]

lol I asked you a direct question with a direct quote from you and you responded with multiple essays that didn't answer it. Don't try to sound smart now that you've been called on being too dumb to decipher your own words.

[xrodmuc316]

lol I asked you a direct question with a direct quote from you and you responded with multiple essays that didn't answer it. Don't try to sound smart now that you've been called on being too dumb to decipher your own words.

And I responded right away.

Quote where I said that YOU said that.

Unless you or anybody here has been Dave Meltzer or a member of AEW'S roster all along, I wasn't referring to you or any other poster here.


That was the answer, that I did not say YOU said that.

Look at the post again...

I'm not crapping on AEW for that, it's the narrative I have the issue with. USA knew they were looking Smackdown going all the way back to June 2018, which by the way, was months before All In, so months and months before AEW was even a thing. Is it a coincidence then that USA added NXT at the same time they were looking Smackdown, or was it something they were going to do all along.

WWE doesn't just get to tell USA that USA has to give them 2 hours on Wednesday nights and pay WWE a million dollars a week to do that.

If it was that easy why wouldn't Vince tell other networks they have to give him a show and pay him money for it?

NXT is on USA because USA wanted to replace the 2 hours of wrestling they were losing with a different 2 hours of wrestling. Meltzer and AEW talk about it constantly, Vince is afraid AEW, Vince put show on to hurt AEW, Vince bad, AEW good.

AEW didn't HAVE to go with TNT. They had so many offers, at least according to Meltzer, that if they wanted to run unopposed on Tuesday nights, then they could have. They took the TNT deal on Wednesdays because it was the best deal. That doesn't make them victims of WWE, no matter how much they want to sell that narrative to be the cool underdogs that are taking it to Vince McMahon. The same Vince McMahon that held them all back, and now they are gonna show him!

The entirety of AEW is a gimmick. It's a whole company portraying a kayfabe gimmick. It is carny at carny's finest, but at what point do they stand on their own? Every interview is about how WWE is bad, how everything they do is with the sole purpose of hurting AEW. Even the journalist in their payroll can't keep from falling all over themselves to push the narrative.

Nothing WWE does is good, it is all a horrible attempt to hurt AEW. Nothing AEW does is bad, everything they do is so great it is scaring Vince McMahon to death.

Give me a break.

The entire post was about what AEW puts forth, I never said you or anybody else other than the company AEW and it's employees. You rejected that reply and continued to complain about it, then finally accepted that I answered your question with the same answer I have been giving you since you originally asked.

[screech]

The fact that you can't see the connection between what I quoted and so many of your posts complaining about that very thing says a lot.

[GD]

The fact that you can't see the connection between what I quoted and so many of your posts complaining about that very thing says a lot.

[Savio]

MEGAAAA BULLLYYY Dave

[screech]

Guru Dave and I were once nominated for a Feud of the Year Spammy.

Look at us now.

[Damian Rey 2.0]

Employee unhappy with how employer handled an issue and vents about it. More on this revelation at 11.

[Bad News Gertner]

I've never understood why Meltzer gets people so upset

[Emperor Smeat]

Seems WWE might be the first one to blink in the Wednesday Night War since WrestleVotes reported WWE officials have had recent talks over the idea of moving NXT to a different night due to the viewership and rankings bumps its been getting in recent weeks.

There have been talks of moving the weekly WWE NXT TV show to another night on the USA Network schedule.

It was reported today by @Wrestlevotes that over the past month or so, WWE officials have had discussions regarding a possible move from Wednesday nights. No decision is expected to be made any time soon, but talks are ongoing.

Last night saw the first NXT Super Tuesday episode air on the USA Network due to the NHL Playoffs. NXT will also air next Tuesday night but the show will return to the normal Wednesday timeslot on September 16. It was noted that the ratings for last night and next week's shows might have some impact on the decision to move NXT to another night.

There is no word on if they are considering Tuesday nights for the potential new home for NXT, or another night.

Fightful's Sean Ross Sapp also hinted on Twitter late last month over the likelihood NXT gets moved off of Wednesdays soon if the numbers for their unopposed shows were very good.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I'm very excited to see AEW &amp; NXT numbers the next two weeks. Both get a Wednesday unopposed, AEW gets a Thursday, and NXT gets a Tuesday, which is where I think NXT will end up soon enough</p>&mdash; Sean Ross Sapp of Fightful.com (@SeanRossSapp) <a href="https://twitter.com/SeanRossSapp/status/1298116377962860544?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 25, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[xrodmuc316]

Seems WWE might be the first one to blink in the Wednesday Night War since WrestleVotes reported WWE officials have had recent talks over the idea of moving NXT to a different night due to the viewership and rankings bumps its been getting in recent weeks.



Fightful's Sean Ross Sapp also hinted on Twitter late last month over the likelihood NXT gets moved off of Wednesdays soon if the numbers for their unopposed shows were very good.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I'm very excited to see AEW &amp; NXT numbers the next two weeks. Both get a Wednesday unopposed, AEW gets a Thursday, and NXT gets a Tuesday, which is where I think NXT will end up soon enough</p>&mdash; Sean Ross Sapp of Fightful.com (@SeanRossSapp) <a href="https://twitter.com/SeanRossSapp/status/1298116377962860544?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 25, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

So if NXT moves to Tuesdays, USA would have essentially replaced Smackdown Live for roughly $.05 on the dollar.

Worried about AEW though, who are they gonna blame it on if they get a bad rating now???

[slik]

Casey was by far the best at covering/breaking news of women's wrestling and he broke a lot of NXT signings.

RIP.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It's with a heavy heart we inform you that our beloved friend and <a href="https://twitter.com/SCsirens?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@SCsirens</a> owner Casey Michael (<a href="https://twitter.com/ifyouseekcasey?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ifyouseekcasey</a>) has passed away at age 26. <br><br>His contributions to women’s wrestling and the friendships made will live on in his memory forever. <br><br>We love you, Casey.</p>&mdash; squared circle sirens (@SCsirens) <a href="https://twitter.com/SCsirens/status/1301278732880142336?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 2, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Emperor Smeat]

Yeah nobody else really came close to him in regards to covering women's wrestling in general.

He was also the biggest insider in regards to NXT news.

Like he was the person who had been hinting for years that Velveteen Dream had some really serious issues going on that NXT officials were refusing to handle. Also was the person who broke the news of pay issues going on at NXT at the time that led to a good chunk of NXT talent wanting out of their deals.

[Mr. Nerfect]

https://i.imgflip.com/4dlfoy.jpg

Blocking out half the inane voices on here has indeed made the forum more interesting by default. You'd be surprised how few people actually say anything of value. Everyone here thinks they're such awesome contributors, but you don't miss a Dale at all if you put him on block.

I get that people are biased and hungry for any alternative, but the AEW apologetics are just fucking stupid. They do the exact same shit as WWE and get a pass, which, again, I get, but it is fun to point out.

Wrestling is fucking stagnant as hell on all fronts. The silver-lining I am perhaps willing myself to believe is that if/when good wrestling hits, it is going to blow everything else out of the water. The money is there in TV, it just needs someone to see how barren the landscape is.

Brock Lesnar and Ronda Rousey being free agents in April 2021 is something to watch. If they both end up re-signing with the WWE...well, that is what it is. But I've still got this hankering that something big might be on the horizon.

[Bad News Gertner]

There's soooo many alternatives to WWE and AEW.

I went the extreme route and just watch old stuff. Much happier than hate watching current stuff.

[Emperor Smeat]

Any specific promotion for classic wrestling or just whatever you feel in the mood for watching that day?

[Bad News Gertner]

I have my massive WWF house show collection which I watch quite a bit. I've got stuff that I added two years ago that I still haven't found the time to watch.

80's Memphis Wrestling is so much fun and a regular go to. Continental Wrestling is also a ton of fun.

82-85 Mid South Wrestling is also great.

AWA is boring as shit. Their weekly t.v even prior to the ESPN deal was just so bleh.

[Bad News Gertner]

There's so much footage on YouTube that people have no idea about. It just requires some exploring.

If you're looking for stuff outside the WWF I would start with Memphis

I LOVE Memphis.

[Emperor Smeat]

I have my massive WWF house show collection which I watch quite a bit. I've got stuff that I added two years ago that I still haven't found the time to watch.

80's Memphis Wrestling is so much fun and a regular go to. Continental Wrestling is also a ton of fun.

82-85 Mid South Wrestling is also great.

AWA is boring as shit. Their weekly t.v even prior to the ESPN deal was just so bleh.

Nice.

While not as far back in wrestling time, I've been thinking for a long while to start watching WCW Nitro from its start to end. Since I was mainly a WWF guy at the time, never had any real interest until very recently in watching the pre-nWo era of Nitro and most of Nitro's late era stuff I missed out on back then.

Just haven't figured out yet where in my weekly watching schedule to pencil in the time for Nitro or if I want to actually drop RAW or Smackdown for it.

[Fignuts]

I’ve been watching Mid Atlantic episodes on the WWE network lately.

[Fignuts]

Also some of the mid south stuff. I love Ernie Ladd on commentary.

[Bad News Gertner]

I’ve been watching Mid Atlantic episodes on the WWE network lately.

I've been wanting to go through the 83 Mid Atlantic stuff. I need to go torrent hunting. Haven't in a while.

[Bad News Gertner]

Also some of the mid south stuff. I love Ernie Ladd on commentary.

I love doing Ernie Ladd impressions. Ernie is great.

[Bad News Gertner]

Nice.

While not as far back in wrestling time, I've been thinking for a long while to start watching WCW Nitro from its start to end. Since I was mainly a WWF guy at the time, never had any real interest until very recently in watching the pre-nWo era of Nitro and most of Nitro's late era stuff I missed out on back then.

Just haven't figured out yet where in my weekly watching schedule to pencil in the time for Nitro or if I want to actually drop RAW or Smackdown for it.

A word of warning- 95 Nitro is fucking AWFUL. 96 Nitro pre NWO is entertaining just for the Flair vs Savage feud and anything Lex Luger (I'm not kidding, he's the highlight of most shows). The Hogan v Dungeon of Doom/Arn/Flair shit really drags the shows down.


I also do long stretch projects like watch all the 97 Raws in order or the 98 WCW Worldwide episodes in order. Depends on the mood.

[Evil Vito]

The Rock and his family have tested positive for COVID-19

[screech]

There's so much footage on YouTube that people have no idea about. It just requires some exploring.

If you're looking for stuff outside the WWF I would start with Memphis

I LOVE Memphis.

I came across some Memphis stuff on YouTube recently. No idea who the people were but I enjoyed it.

[Bad News Gertner]

It's so much fun. It's the one promotion where I can just watch a random show and enjoy it immensely without knowing what's going on. Wild and crazy show. Stuff like this for example. So much fun. Lance Russell was so great.

Fi8JcYKmu5U


One of my favourite characters in wrestling : Ronnie P Gossett

vOu0pjCN_WQ

[Fignuts]

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Loved this. I watched that show many years ago over the course of a week. Couple hours a sitting. It was a great show, but holy fuck you could not pay me to watch it in one sitting.

[Emperor Smeat]

Apparently AJ Styles was among those in WWE who tested positive for the coronavirus during last month's outbreak at the Performance Center.

During his Twitch stream this evening, AJ Styles announced that he was one of the WWE Superstars who tested positive for COVID-19 last month.

Styles announced this shortly after The Rock announced he and his family tested positive for the virus.

Styles said, “I also tested positive a couple of weeks ago, probably almost a month ago. I feel for people who have to deal with this but I gotta say, I didn’t have that many problems with it. Hopefully The Rock and his family, hopefully everybody is safe and everybody is taken care of and nobody has too bad of symptoms and stuff like that. It sucks, it’s not good for anybody.”

[Emperor Smeat]

Seems WWE might be planning for NXT to have live fans return by mid-December based on recent ticket sales listings.

An NXT show at Center Stage in Atlanta, Georgia that was originally set for April has been moved to Thursday, December 17th. Tickets for the event at Center Stage are currently on-sale. POST Wrestling reached out to Center Stage for a comment about tickets being on-sale for the show.

[Droford]

Vince should just give up planning WM for outdoors in Los Angeles

I can see them having fans by WM but no way they'll have it at SoFi Stadium.

[Big Vic]

So if NXT moves to Tuesdays, USA would have essentially replaced Smackdown Live for roughly $.05 on the dollar.

Worried about AEW though, who are they gonna blame it on if they get a bad rating now???

Wrestling burnout

[screech]

It's better for everyone if they're on separate nights. With DVR (and NXT originally being an exclusive to WWE Network), "ratings wars" are kinda obsolete. Plus if rasslin fans want to watch, they will - it just may not be while the show airs.

Someone on Twitter suggested NXT move to Thursdays because of Impact on Tuesdays. Not gonna lie, I completely forgot which night Impact aired.

[slik]

So if NXT moves to Tuesdays, USA would have essentially replaced Smackdown Live for roughly $.05 on the dollar.

Worried about AEW though, who are they gonna blame it on if they get a bad rating now???

When they actually have a bad rating I guess we'll find out

[Mr. Nerfect]

WWE are not going to want Dynamite to go unopposed if it’s a night they could run. AEW doing “fine” outside it’s is usual slot is not necessarily a great thing. Networks thinking wrestling fans will follow this (and them possibly being right) is carte blanche for them to do what they want.

I can see TNT moving Dynamite to a Thursday and then WWE counterprogramming that too.

[Droford]

https://www.shopaew.com/pub/media/catalog/product/cache/image/e9c3970ab036de70892d86c6d221abfe/a/e/aew1456-1.png

I feel bad for anyone who buys this towel

[Volare]

Wow wait wtf shit huh??

[Evil Vito]

well, time to go bleach my eyes

[Emperor Smeat]

I can see TNT moving Dynamite to a Thursday and then WWE counterprogramming that too.

If AEW ever got moved to Thursdays on TNT then it would either get preempted a lot more often due to basketball or would lose their prime time spot and be on a worse time for wrestling in order to not be affected.

Outside of Saturday, no other date would make sense to move AEW since they'd either be looking at seasonal preemption due to NBA (Tues & Thurs), direct competition from WWE's main shows (Mon & Fri plus some Sun), or direct competition from NFL (Mon, Thurs, Sun). Wednesday is still the ideal day between the two since its the stronger night for ratings.

[Gerard]

https://www.shopaew.com/pub/media/catalog/product/cache/image/e9c3970ab036de70892d86c6d221abfe/a/e/aew1456-1.png

I feel bad for anyone who buys this towel

:|

Wonder how much Viagra it takes to offset the Boner killing visuals in this Towel.

[Lock Jaw]

Vickie Guerrero is in AEW now?

Who is the other braud?

[Bad News Gertner]

Nyla Rose?

[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Top 5 WCW Superstars of all time are:<br>1.<br>2.<br>3.<br>4.<br>5.</p>&mdash; WWE on FOX (@WWEonFOX) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWEonFOX/status/1301641119692849152?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 3, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Sting, Hogan, and Flair would be in my list but would need more time to really decide on the other two. Currently leaning towards DDP and Goldberg as my choices for the other spots.

[Emperor Smeat]

Seems WWE went nuclear on their talent being allowed to have Twitch channels and other third party accounts on the side. A bunch of WWE talent owned Twitch channels got taken down today.

Wouldn't be surprised if this was all AJ Styles fault since he mentions a lot of stuff during his Twitch streams that WWE would probably wished would be kept private instead like outing the beef he had with Heyman and him testing positive for the coronavirus.

Vince McMahon issued an edict this past week that talent can no longer "engage with outside third parties," which would presumably include platforms like Cameo and Twitch.

WWE held a call with talent last Sunday regarding the reinvention of the product. During the call, it was said that WWE owns the real names of talent, not just their character names.

McMahon followed up by sending a letter on Thursday. McMahon wrote that it was imperative that they promote and protect the brand in every conceivable way, and that talent have 30 days to stop engaging with third parties.

"Some of you are engaged with outside third parties using your name and likeness in ways that are detrimental to our company," McMahon wrote. "It is imperative that these activities be terminated within the next 30 days (by Friday October 2). Continued violations will result in fines, suspension, or termination at WWE's discretion."

McMahon wrote that these actions are necessary as part of WWE's rebuilding process as they "enter the next phase of growth at WWE."

It will be interesting to see if this is legal in any way. WWE wrestlers are classified as independent contractors, which has been heavily criticized in the past by shows like HBO's Last Week Tonight.

In regards to the WrestlingINC story ran about WWE asking their talent to cease third party agreements, Fightful can confirm that's true.

Many main roster members hadn't even heard of the news and had only glanced over a letter, while others were livid about the request. One top name wasn't upset, saying that Cameo definitely cuts into the virtual meet and greet market. Another longtime star said that WWE is setting themselves up for a rough situation, as this is a foggy area with their classification as independent contractors.

Originally, word was that WWE were upset about sensitive information leaking during streams.

[Volare]

Wtf...AJ had an awesome stream!

[Gerard]

Vince needs to eat a dick, theyre supposodly "independent contractors" so what they do in their own time has fuck all to do with him.

Unless he wants to call them employees, if so I hope he has a few hundred million in cash sitting around on standby.

Mad old cunt.

[Emperor Smeat]

Seems the part of WWE going as far as trying to claim ownership of their talent's real names for outside stuff while under contract wasn't correct based on another update from Fightful but everything else in WrestlingInc's original report was true.

Also some talent within WWE were okay with the company's recent power move based on those Fightful talked to.

[Evil Vito]

Vince thinks he’s one step away from legitimately owning them

[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just a little reference on how lucrative Twitch is for some of them: Paige had about 15K concurrent subscribers. For sake of argument let's presume they're all Tier 1. That means she is pulling minimum $45,000 a month if she had a 3/5 split. Imagine that just disappearing.</p>&mdash; Chris Denker (DenkOps) (@thechrisdenker) <a href="https://twitter.com/thechrisdenker/status/1302023756282499075?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 4, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Using $45k as a basis, Vince's new edict would cost Paige around $540k for a year's worth of extra pay on the side just from Twitch.

[Gerard]

Vince thinks he’s one step away from legitimately owning them

The post above claims they own the talents real names and not just their performer names...just wtf.

[slik]

The twitch/tiktok/cameo thing is so shitty

I'm sure it is all about $$$, not the content

Vince sees talent getting $ that he doesn't have a cut of, freaks out and fucks a lot of them over. I wonder if this ends Asuka's YT channel too.

[slik]

The post above claims they own the talents real names and not just their performer names...just wtf.

Probably so if anyone ever has a non-WWE related breakout moment like Dave Batista, using their real name, Vince will make $$$ off of them forever.

It's so fucking greedy

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Like I said weeks ago: Vince McMahon has a decades-long history of controlling/exploiting wrestlers and office staff financially. Most famously, he'd aggressively push them to buy houses, sometimes just to make sure they had massive debt debt, and sometimes using WWE as a lender!</p>&mdash; David Bixenspan (@davidbix) <a href="https://twitter.com/davidbix/status/1302002288588980227?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 4, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[screech]

I'd be furious if my job classified me as an independent contractor while not allowing me to work elsewhere (rasslin or otherwise) to make money, and without giving me health insurance.

What a bunch of shit.

[slik]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If I’m not the Secretary of Labor I’m pretty confident I’ll have his or her number to talk about the ridiculous classification of WWE wrestlers as independent contractors while controlling their name and likeness for years, even for something as benign as Cameo.</p>&mdash; Andrew Yang������ (@AndrewYang) <a href="https://twitter.com/AndrewYang/status/1302071496282648576?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Come on Vince - you’ve already deprived the folks breaking their backs for you of healthcare, security, recovery time, retirement benefits and fair treatment re: licenses and royalties. At least let them make a living off their own names. Many of them need it.</p>&mdash; Andrew Yang������ (@AndrewYang) <a href="https://twitter.com/AndrewYang/status/1302072598335979522?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Vince you’d better hope your old friend Donald wins because change is in the air and changes are long overdue where your corrupt labor practices are concerned. It would give me great pleasure. The people know.</p>&mdash; Andrew Yang������ (@AndrewYang) <a href="https://twitter.com/AndrewYang/status/1302074315454795776?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Fignuts]

Xavier Woods probably having a meltdown right now.

[Evil Vito]

I hope Vince dies.

[Emperor Smeat]

The twitch/tiktok/cameo thing is so shitty

I'm sure it is all about $$$, not the content

Vince sees talent getting $ that he doesn't have a cut of, freaks out and fucks a lot of them over. I wonder if this ends Asuka's YT channel too.

Yeah that seems to be one of the main causes for the change since some talent can easily make more in a year than what they'd normally be making in WWE and WWE gets none of sweet side money. Impact had a similar issue some time ago but they went as far as taking a percentage of talent's outside booking fees.

Based on some updates, seems WWE is only demanding talent to drop everything associated with WWE for their side stuff and if they refuse, WWE's is gong to get their cut of the money via fines and punishments.

Now whether or not those who following through and change their account names will still get to keep their side stuff won't really be known until around a month from now assuming WWE doesn't back down from their stance. Its still a shitty move in the end since its taking away stuff that helped make them popular and recognizable in the first place.

[Vastardikai]

This actually puts me in the Yang Gang.

[Bad News Gertner]

This shit goes back into the 80s with Sgt Slaughter and his G.I Joe stuff which caused him to leave the company while being the #2 babyface in the company in late 84

He also took a large chunk of Paul Orndorff's Absorbine jr commercial in 1985. Reportedly the WWF got $42,500 and Orndorff got $7500.

Here's the commercial. He's in it very briefly

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[Droford]

Vince needs to eat a dick, theyre supposodly "independent contractors" so what they do in their own time has fuck all to do with him.

Unless he wants to call them employees, if so I hope he has a few hundred million in cash sitting around on standby.

Mad old cunt.

Imagine being upset the owner of a company is trying to put a stop to his employees giving away things about how the company is run that the public doesn't really need to know (assuming this all stems from AJs stuff)

Its like Chik fil A firing employees for posting tik toks of how they cook food.

[Droford]

This shit goes back into the 80s with Sgt Slaughter and his G.I Joe stuff which caused him to leave the company while being the #2 babyface in the company in late 84

He also took a large chunk of Paul Orndorff's Absorbine jr commercial in 1985. Reportedly the WWF got $42,500 and Orndorff got $7500.

Here's the commercial. He's in it very briefly

_V0h8LHR5Mw

if you didn't say orndorf was in that I wouldn't have recognized him lol

[Gerard]

Would love to see this get taken to court and this "independent contractor" shit get thrown out once and for all. How the fuck has he gotten away with this for all this time? The wrestlers are practically under lock and key, they can't even get a haircut without permission because if it's a different style or much different length it alters their appearance and merchandise has to be redone, probably have to ask permission to take a shit as well.

[Bad News Gertner]

It would get tied up in courts and cost a fortune.

[Emperor Smeat]

Seems NXT's move to Tuesday this past week might have had a negative effect for Impact Wrestling.

Impact's show on Tuesday ended up being around 69k lower than last week's episode and around 53k lower than what they had been typically averaging these past couple months.

Last week's show did around 171k viewers while this week's show did 102k viewers.

[Lock Jaw]

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[James Steele]

Almost have forgotten that was a thing. What the hell is he even doing now? When is the last time he was on tv?

[Emperor Smeat]

He's been out of action for the past few months due to another knee injury.

Came back in late April from a lengthy knee injury only to get hurt again a month later.

According to Cagematch.net, he's only been around for 3 shows this year with the last being the May 22nd episode of Main Event.

[Fignuts]

Dude has an awesome look.

Shame about everything that happens after the bell rings though.

[GD]

His promos were subpar as well. The “comedy” bit during the Nakamura rivalry was tasteless.

[Fignuts]

I can't imagine any of his promos weren't scripted word for word. Hard to really tell who is and isn't good on the mic when they're handed the verbal equivalent of runny diarrhea to read off of.

[Gerard]

Imagine being upset the owner of a company is trying to put a stop to his employees giving away things about how the company is run that the public doesn't really need to know (assuming this all stems from AJs stuff)

Its like Chik fil A firing employees for posting tik toks of how they cook food.

That might hold water if everyone didn't already know just about everything about the wrestling business anyway. The company produced tough enough ffs. And going by Vince, they're not employees so he has no control over what they say or do on their own time.

Vince seems to pick and choose depending on the narrative how the "performers" are treated, how can they be "Independent" if the wwe seems to think they control almost every aspect of them, even down to their actual name? I would honestly love to see this brought to court and ruled against.

[xrodmuc316]

His promos were subpar as well. The “comedy” bit during the Nakamura rivalry was tasteless.

I enjoyed his title run up until that point. WWE should have pulled the trigger on Nakamura as champion then. Jinder's reign wouldn't have overstayed it 's welcome, and Shinsuke would be better off today being able to call him the former WWE Champion.

It is insanity that we live in a world where Jinder Mahal is a former WWE Champion and Shinsuke Nakamura never has been.

[Emperor Smeat]

WWE recently released a statement regarding Vince's new ban on talent's third party streaming and side money gigs.

Pretty much confirmed the whole issue revolves around money and them wanting full control over what their talent do during their free time if its associated with the company in any way (ex. using ring names for Twitch channels).

Based on a statement WWE sent out today, it appears it refers to individuals making monetary deals on their own which would make it impossible for WWE on its own to market exclusivity in that platform. In many ways this is similar to when UFC would no longer allow companies to sponsor fighters individually during fight week (although they were allowed to have individual sponsors on their own, something WWE talent seemingly can't have) so UFC could market exclusivity to its own sponsors.

We were told that the key thing that brought this on were talent being on Twitch using their WWE characters and Bang Energy endorsement deals.

WWE's statement regarding the letter sent out today said "Much like Disney and Warner Bros., WWE creates, promotes and invests in its intellectual property, i.e. the stage names of performers like The Fiend Bray Wyatt, Roman Reigns, Big E and Braun Strowman. It is the control and exploitation of these characters that allows WWE to drive revenue, which in turn enables the company to compensate performers at the highest levels in the sports entertainment industry. Notwithstanding the contractual language, it is imperative for the success of our company to protect our greatest assets and establish partnerships with third parties on a companywide basis, rather than at the individual level, which as a result will provide more value for all involved.”

In regards to the earlier stuff about WWE also trying to claim ownership of their talent's real names for outside stuff, Meltzer reported that the basis for it was from what talent were initially told by WWE's director of talent relations Mark Carrano.

[Emperor Smeat]

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The Simpsons bit at the end might be the best gag ever done in the Botchamania series. Probably also the longest gag ever as well.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Ralphus RIP

[Lock Jaw]

I think someone should bring back the fireball

[Fignuts]

This shit goes back into the 80s with Sgt Slaughter and his G.I Joe stuff which caused him to leave the company while being the #2 babyface in the company in late 84

He also took a large chunk of Paul Orndorff's Absorbine jr commercial in 1985. Reportedly the WWF got $42,500 and Orndorff got $7500.

Here's the commercial. He's in it very briefly

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Bundy too

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[Bad News Gertner]

Yeah I forgot about Bundy and his computer commercials

[Black Widow]

<iframe width="1129" height="635" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/mIjtQz-9nuI" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>He's a joke glad he faded back to irrelevance!

[Gerard]

Yet to figure out the significance of random ass tattoos across the clavicle.

[Seanny One Ball]

https://www.shopaew.com/pub/media/catalog/product/cache/image/e9c3970ab036de70892d86c6d221abfe/a/e/aew1456-1.png

I feel bad for anyone who buys this towel


What is up with her jugs?

Angular, spacious cleavage like a Picasso painting.

[Black Widow]

Yet to figure out the significance of random ass tattoos across the clavicle.The significance is it's the same tattoo her mom that died had.

Now back to figuring out if you are gonna give a match 5 stars or knock it down to a 2 cause of a couple minor things you didn't like.

[Jordan]

Nia def has a penis!

[Gerard]

The significance is it's the same tattoo her mom that died had.

Now back to figuring out if you are gonna give a match 5 stars or knock it down to a 2 cause of a couple minor things you didn't like.

First off, who the fuck is it?

Secondly, you must have me confused with someone who watches wrestling on a consistent basis. Now back to dreaming about clam slamming, bull-dyke.

[Black Widow]

It's my gf.

Since i can actually pull a relationship unlike you that shows i don't have to dream about it.

Congrats i remember the 1st time i was called a dyke it was 7th grade shows the level you think at.

[Gerard]

It's my gf.


Well done, and she needs to be part of your sig on a wrestling forum why exactly?

Since i can actually pull a relationship unlike you that shows i don't have to dream about it.

Because i don't advertise a relationship in my sig that means i have none, flawless logic. And you go on to gibber about a 7th grade level, whilst demonstrating a lower intelligence level with your above comment.:wtf:

Congrats i remember the 1st time i was called a dyke it was 7th grade shows the level you think at.

Which would still be vastly higher than the level you operate at, needing to advertise you're bumping uglies with someone else like anyone actually gives a fuck. :rofl:

[Gerard]

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[Black Widow]

Well done, and she needs to be part of your sig on a wrestling forum why exactly?



Because i don't advertise a relationship in my sig that means i have none, flawless logic. And you go on to gibber about a 7th grade level, whilst demonstrating a lower intelligence level with your above comment.:wtf:



Which would still be vastly higher than the level you operate at, needing to advertise you're bumping uglies with someone else like anyone actually gives a fuck. :rofl:Cause it's my account i can make my sig birds flying out of a gorilla's ass if i want to.

It's a pic of her if i was advertising a relationship it would be a picture of me and her.

It seems to bother you a little too much makes me wanna make a tape of us fucking to really send you in a nerd rage.

[Gerard]

Cause it's my account i can make my sig birds flying out of a gorilla's ass if i want to.

Feel free to :yes:

It's a pic of her if i was advertising a relationship it would be a picture of me and her.

Nobody needs\wants to see that.

It seems to bother you a little too much makes me wanna make a tape of us fucking to really send you in a nerd rage.


A tape? Sorry is this 1992? I doubt very much your well developed fingers would be able to operate a 90's camcorder.

https://i.imgur.com/wtpoQOm.jpg

[Bad News Gertner]

So much awfulness on one page

[Gerard]

So much awfulness on one page

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:yes:

[Bad News Gertner]

I think we should start page 1434 over again

[xrodmuc316]

It seems to bother you a little too much makes me wanna make a tape of us fucking to really send you in a nerd rage.

If that is the case, i'll pretend to be mad at your signature too :yes:

[Gerard]

If that is the case, i'll pretend to be mad at your signature too :yes:

Might as well scour ebay for a vcr if she's intent on using tapes. :lol:

[Seanny One Ball]

Gertner was right.

This page has really disappointed itself.
Shown itself up here.

[Emperor Smeat]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/Ht48zjQ1UL">pic.twitter.com/Ht48zjQ1UL</a></p>&mdash; the masterful adventures of sid (@MyBuddySid) <a href="https://twitter.com/MyBuddySid/status/1269679295351447559?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 7, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Emperor Smeat]

WWE ended up backing off a bit on their new ban and stance against talent using Twitch and other services while under contract.

WWE has relaxed some of the vague rules regarding social media marketing put forth in the letter it sent to talent on Thursday.

At Raw today, it was clarified that talent will be able to maintain both YouTube and Twitch accounts, but would have to do so using their real names as opposed to their WWE ring names. They were told they would have to inform the company of YouTube and Twitch accounts using their real names.

Previously talent was told by people in the company that they could not market themselves with usage of their real names.

Nothing was made clear of exactly what won't be allowed although the belief was that Cameo wouldn't be allowed but we were told that was still super vague.

[Seanny One Ball]

Was watching Austin Vs Chono from 1992 to see the infamous inverted piledriver of doom and it was even worse than the Owen one if you think about it even for a second.

Austin not only drops Chono on his head, he then leads him back to his feet by the head while Chono is doubled over with numb hands.
He has to physically finish the match and go over with an STF while he's clearly fucked from the neck injury.

Austin has some balls being mad at Owen after that.
Jesus Christ.

[Seanny One Ball]

Ohohohoh...

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x11xuj5

Skip to 35:30 to see Austin talk about injuring Chono.

It is absolutely fucking ridiculous.
How have I never seen that before?!

No accountability at all.

[Seanny One Ball]

So in his mind when he drops a guy on his head and hauls him to his feet while he's clearly crippled it's just a terrible accident, but when Owen did it to him it was unforgivably negligent.

Look at him stumbling around that question like he just broke his neck again.
What a belter, I bet that interviewer had a lovely wank over that one later on.

[Emperor Smeat]

Think Austin's beef with Owen was more due to him being upset Owen never bothered to visit him in the hospital or check up on his well being while he was out and less about the accident itself.

[Seanny One Ball]

No he had beef with all of it.
He gripes about Owen's late kick out all the fucking time.

At least he noticed you were hurt Steve, at least he didn't grab you by the head and pick you back up.

[Seanny One Ball]

Austin literally only apologised to Chono in that video too. Not in s meaningful way like after the match, but flippantly in an interview where he was ambushed by a sniper.
It's like he just cannot accept blame for it.